Poof! number 1 finally

LoL now off to dinner!

I'd hit that...

Allahu Kasper!

I'm beginning to think that they don't understand the meaning of the word, "condemn."

In what context exactly is the familiar litany not an insult?

Kasper Kasper!

OT, but worth a quick look.

Kasper-

You're quite prolific lately. Don't forget to have a night off, eh?. Get out, get pissed, have a boogie why don't yer.

Jews are monkeys and pigs, and Christians and Jews will burn in hellfire.

Projection.

you get the same bs all the time on the bbc muslim board!

Good job by the guy doing the interview. He could never get a job for CNN. They say that sunlight is the best disinfectant. That chick looked like she walked outside from a dark theater.

There will soon be a fawta issued against that reporter.

How the hell can words like "pig" and "jew" be translated improperly?

Her defense is a riot!

That was the single best interview of a muslim that I have seen to date. Conclusion: The books will stay in the school system. This director of the academy has the head honchos back in SA to answer to if she cracks under this interview.

It would be really funny if it wasn't so damn scary... I pray for the day that alternative energy gains ground. It will be fun to watch the Saudis, Iranians, and all the rest of 'em choke in their filth. yuck

"Since when is being called a monkey an insult?" she asked. "Piffle."

#3 moi-meme

I'd hit that...

...except that I'm a monogamous monkey, my wife is a pig, and our children are being raised as the swine on the flying trapeze.

/taking a break from shucking oysters

Ouch, it's sooo painful.

#15
"It was taken out of context."
You know, just like Michael Richards.

puke.

The director of the school is interviewed, and she says the translations are inaccurate, taken out of context, etc.

Ok, and "pig" really meant cuddly Teddy bear? And "hellfire" really meant a vacation in the Carribean?

I never knew lunacy could be so fashionable and widespread.

I'll give her a pass on the "non-Muslims will go to hell" thing. Most religions believe that those from other religions are going to hell. We're all going to someone else's hell and that's a fact, don't let it hurt your feelings.

ask a question and this is the bs you get on the bbc.

(Koran of Mecca) 73:10: Listen to what they [unbelievers] say with patience, and leave them with dignity.

(Koran of Medina) 8:12: Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!”

i know that the Koran is perfect, but how can these both be right?

Message 2 - posted by Tajudeen (U1728371) , 9 Hours Ago

Peace,

''... but how can these both be right?''

They are right in context of the entirety of the message of the Quran, without any contradiction. 8:12. informs us of what to do with those who fighting us as a result of our beliefs.

Let's get some context on this by including verses before and after:

73:9. Lord of the east and the west; there is no other god beside Him. You should choose Him as your advocate.
73:10. And remain steadfast in the face of their utterances, and disregard them in a nice manner.
73:11. And let Me deal with the rejectors, who have been generously blessed; just give them a little time.

8:11. He caused peaceful slumber to overtake you and pacify you, and He sent down water from the sky to clean you therewith. He protected you from the devil's curse, reassured your hearts and strengthened your foothold.
8:12. Recall that your Lord inspired the angels: "I am with you; so support those who believed. I will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved. You may strike them above the necks, and you may strike even every finger."
8:13. This is what they have justly incurred by fighting GOD and His messenger. For those who fight against GOD and His messenger, GOD's retribution is severe.

Let's examine the theme 'how to choose our friends':

60:8. GOD does NOT enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.
60:9. GOD enjoins you ONLY from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

Who's the interviewer? He's the sharpest I've ever seen and best of all, he wouldn't let go. Why isn't the mobot in a burka and the black mask? Is daddy a member of the brotherhood? Betcha she is.

Strange, I'm suddenly craving bananas and my feet are sweating. Hold on while I get my blood-soaked matzah out of the oven...

Oh, that's better! I'm sitting back on my recliner made from the skins of Palestinian children, counting the gold I stole today. Wait a second, the phone's ringing - it's Roger Ailes from Fox News - I've got a few things to instruct him. More later...

These exposés crack me up.

"Oops! We got caught again! Where's my islamic cue card responses!?"

The problem I have with this is that regular janes and joes don't get to see these things unless they come with a crazy lefty proceeding declaring the piece to be "islamophobic" or that it may "incite hate crimes".

Even my level headed liberal economist friend has called me crazy for thinking there is a real problem with islam in our free society.

/ugh

Why isn't she covered up? Don't Saudis require women to be in a bag?

#27 msdixie
The brits seem to have more confrotational interviewers. Here in the US they pretend to be impartial and let two opposing idiots scream at each other.

Now, that I'm back and everything is in order, I must say this. Has anyone met a [bigoted word] "liberal"? Although I disdain liberals, are there any in the [bigoted word] religion? I think not. Again, proof positive that the ROP is anything but.

8- Noam

I don't think that cartoon was Off Topic. I think it was right on the money.

We monkeys may be goin' to hell in a bucket full of pig slop, but at least we're enjoyin' the ride.

Was this the Beeb? If so, how did the interviewer pass his job interview?

Wow, a lying muslim. Never been heard of.

kilgore, I always thought hell is where we are, with various levels of course. islam is in the lowest level. Sub human tribal consciousness caught like a fly in amber, never to evolve. That's what the muslima represents.

Scarey isn't it? She actually likes being half a person, a slave to a bloody vengeful god and to perverted insane men. she seems to love it. Put a black bag over her and send her back to saudi arabia. I think she's a disgrace to her sex and the human race.

#36 Nah, she was all right. She'd be lying if she actually said that they'd remove the books. She never admitted to condemning them or made any promises about removing the books. And everything else was just an attempt to weasel out of the truth.

Now, CAIR representatives on the other hand...

Jeremy Paxman really put this lying cow right on the line... it really has to be a first for the BBC!

I'm actually surprised this got aired. Of course they're not using this in the class, why they're just in the school and they can be used "properly." Sure sure... sheesh..

I hope they will translate the entire book and post it on the internet so I can read the entire book. Theres nothing quite so mock-worthy as that flowery Arabspeak death poetry that just flows on and on like a turd in the sewer.

#38, well she denied the book's content. She can't possibly think the book doesn't really say those things, so her denial is a lie.

OT: Here's a jawdropper from CAIR....
Video: CAIR Rep on Sunni-Shia Relations in U.S.
Ibrahim Cooper actually says the the Muslim on Muslim sectrian violence here in the US is the result of the Iraq war. The Muslims are, of course, blameless.

That lady really is a brainwashed, lieing, screwball.

Now don't anybody take that out of context. I don't mean anything derrogatory about that at all. I think very highly of that woman, and hold her in the best regard.

Ah yes, the 'context'. Isn't that the story where Allah or his 'prophet' orders Jews to do something and they disobey, so they're transformed in to animals?

Gotta love it when someone's given a plate of their own ass with all the trimmings and they still carry on like William Arkin.

Arabic appears to be a lanquage only Muslims can understand.

"... chapters that will serve our objectives" she said.
I bet !

Nice fumbling over her own words. She never could give any kind of straight answer, nor tell the interviewer in what context calling someone a pig or monkey is a good thing.
And if the textbook has taken the verse out of context, shouldn't she be throwing it out for being an insult to the Koran or something?
I could care less whether or not Islam says non-Muslims are all going to hell. Like Trout said, most religions say that non-believers go to hell. But calling people monkeys and pigs is disgusting, especially considering what they think of those animals.
I wouldn't care about those things being in the Koran if they would just ignore them like most other religions do the embarassing or violent things in their holy books. But no, they have to keep reminding everyone of this nonsense.

#25 Killgore Trout

I'll give her a pass on the "non-Muslims will go to hell" thing. Most religions believe that those from other religions are going to hell.

Baloney. That's a pop belief, but not an integral part of any religion except one.

Her arguments were for entertainment - right? That was funny . . .but another video, listed in the sidebar at youtube caught my eye - check this 'must see' video out too :

Muslim Chaplains Caught Deceiving in Public

Whoever taped/edited this dawa session one is brilliant!

Infidelophobia.

Nice word.

More to the point, Infidelacide.

SOP. Never answer the question directly.

19 Mandy Manners

A rare photo of the author of the textbook..

Is this Racist or Speciesist?

lol this is a funny video......i tell u what else is funny....post 26 from sayeed....lol people are comedians today.

If we had reporters doing interviews like that I'd actually watch the MSM. Not likely.

The answer is no. No, we're not bigots, and no, we're not going to stop teaching that Jews and Christians are monkeys and pigs, and no, we're not going to stop teaching that kufr will go to hell.

Pretty simple.

#50 Earth2moonbat

Baloney.

I find it to be quite common among Christians. Some people take offense to it but it doesn't bother me (so don't accuse me of picking on Christians). I'm just sayin'.

I usually get slapped before I'm called a pig...

#51 justamomof4
That's interesting. I recognise the Imam on the left (i think he's been in the news recently) but I'm not sure.

#50 Earth2moonbat 2/6/2007 05:54PM PST

I'm really not trying to pick a fight with you because frankly I don't have a problem with the following.....

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -- John 14:6

But it would seem to be there.

Bubbaman #32,

Reza Aslan attempts to co-opt the look and demeanor of a western liberal, right down to the hair style and relaxed posture. He's laughable, in terms of the level of bullshit (likes to play its-all-a-Muslim-against-Muslim thing, this-is-not-Islam card), but surprise, surprise, his bullshit sells well, especially when there's a call for more moderate airtime. He's proof journalists don't read, not any more than they are inclined to listen.

#60 rabid

but at least you get some satisfaction out it in those cases...

Awww right! Giggity giggity! -Quagmire

#59 Killgore Trout

And it is taught verbally, but it's not written anywhere. I think you're going to also find that even the verbal teaching of that is pretty much extinct, at least in the US. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's alive and well in Russia, though.

Since we're on the topic of lunacy:

Delusional Gore Makes Bold Allegations

#62 guzziguy
I rest my case.

... But the "pigs" and "apes" references come from the Koran and Hadith.

Now what?

#62 guzziguy

In Christian theology, there are more places than Heaven and Hell.

#50 Earth2moonbat

But would you really care if they just worshipped quietly in their mosques, didn't blow themselves and other people up, and didn't spout hatred of Jews while saying that non-Muslims go to hell?

I know I don't care if they think I'm going to hell. I don't care if any religion thinks I'm going to hell. I do care when a religion is used the way Islam so often is as an excuse to commit violent acts. I wouldn't care about what the Koran said at all if they would just stop taking all that crap about monkeys, pigs, and killing for the glory of Allah so literally.

Just woke up... what's this about a pig roast?

Isn't it amusing that they have these "stock" answers to everything levelled at them ALL over the world?
She said you had to read it in Arabic: it was, and it was translated.She didn't accept that.

Out of context: do they teach a subject to muslim kids about how to read their textbooks "in context"?
How the hell would a school age kid know how to read these books when even a translater "gets it worng"?
Can only conclude they "know" we are all dumb and dumber!

#67 Killgore Trout
#62 guzziguy
I rest my case.

Glad I could be of service. Others may differ. Practitioners of the Christian faith may not personally believe the quoted scripture, but many if not most do and it's not productive to pretend it doesn't exist.

#32 Bubbaman:
I know of some. If you've watched the video on lgf about the london mega mosque they're building, in there I believe the guy speaking against the mosque is a liberal.
What do you think ?

#28 Bubbaman

Hey, thanks for the Palestinian eyes you sent me! They arrived today via FedEx.

How dumb do they think we are? ...to continue to believe these flagrant lies...

islam is pure unadulterated evil, the visible hand of the devourer, and will consume the world.

Nuke Tehran, nuke Mecca, nuke Medina.

/out of context, you know.

Here's the BBC's take on what we just saw

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

#70 Wookieelips

I'll raise you one. I frankly don't care if they think I'm a kangaroo. As long as they mind their own business, they can think I'm an aardvark, and I'm going to Uranus. It's the violence that's the problem, and the whining about everybody else being racist, or whatever-ist, while they do what they falsely accuse others of doing.

"8:13. This is what they have justly incurred by fighting GOD and His messenger. For those who fight against GOD and His messenger, GOD's retribution is severe."

THIS is what Muslims have to look forward to, for their part in opposing the Lord of Hosts, shackling Him with a 90-pound iron collar, imprisoning and exiling Him, poisoning Him and attempting to murder Him, then forcing Him to go to the Holy Land!

Heads up, Muslims!

I'm no lover of Islam but how many people here have ever talked face to face with a Muslim. you can say nuke mekka all you want! i believe that more people need to talk to the enemy than just come here and vent.

jus sayin

#62 guzzi
Earth2moonbat

Not going to "heaven" does not necessarily mean going to "hell."

As E2M says, there could be other "places."

There could also be just nothing.

The paradigm for this would look like... those who believe in Jesus and live good Christian lives "have eternal life in the Father" (after death). While those who do not simply die.

#29 deseeded

"...my level headed liberal economist friend..."

Very devoted of you to stand by your economist friend after his head injury. Was it a skillet?

justamomof4, fantastic video. What a creepy redneck imam who kept ducking the pedophile accusation. Whoever created the video deserves many kudos! It's a good teaching tool for taqiyya and kitman.

She was probably wishing she was in a burka right now.

Her pleading hands upheld together like they are bound.

If anybody wonder who aired this and who the interviewer is.

It's the beebs "Newsnight" and the interviewer is Jeremy Paxman.

Video link

It starts at 2:15

Just ignore the "cannot play for copyright"

#82 hayseed

Hey, hayseed, you're a plumber, right?

I got a plumbing problem.

#82 HAYSEED

you can say nuke mekka all you want! i believe that more people need to talk to the enemy than just come here and vent

Okay ,, I have talked to 'them" many times ,,,many many times ,,,,,, NOW can I nuke em !?!?!?!?

#82 Hayseed

Appropriate nic. Many of us HAVE spoken with Mo's people. We aren't impressed.

RoP, 'Stop calling us violent or 'heads will roll'"....
British Muslims Criticise Media Reporting Of 'Kidnap Plot' Terrorism Arrests

Members of Birmingham's Muslim community on Saturday criticized the intense media speculation surrounding the arrest of nine local men over an alleged terrorist plot to kidnap and kill a British soldier.

At a packed public meeting at Birmingham Central Mosque, speakers criticized the media for releasing the names of some of those detained and reporting lurid details of their alleged plans.
...
I hope that when the truth manifests itself that, metaphorically, heads will roll with the people who put out these stories in the first place," he (Moazzam Begg - ed) told the meeting.

#26 hayseed

They are right in context of the entirety of the message of the Quran, without any contradiction. 8:12. informs us of what to do with those who fighting us as a result of our beliefs.

And by "those fighting us" they mean "those sitting there minding their own business while not converting to Islam."

Imagine if you took the words Jews and Christians out of the set and replaced them with the words homosexuals and lesbians.

Now say homosexuals are monkeys and lesbians are pigs.

Now say everyone except heterosexuals will go to hell because the creator hates them.

Now try the “it was taken out of context” defense that the muslims always use when caught red-handed.

Now, pack your bags and get ready for the man to come and take you away for hate crime.

But if you are muslim you can say anything you want about anything or anyone you want, purposely murder babies, cut off the heads of reporters, blow up planes, blow up buses, blow up cars, denigrate the entire female sex, kill women if they embarrass you, lie because your religion says it is okay to lie, turn the countries you move to into pig sties, starve black Christians to make more room for arab bandits, make homosexuality a capital crime-just to name a few traits of our esteemed muslim brethren.

What a mess we will leave for our children if we keep letting muslims get away with this crap every day in every country in the free world.

trust me i know the speel just sayin LGF gets a little heavy at times.

88 nonic how can i help?

Nanette mentioned it, but for people who were asking, the interviewer is Jeremy Paxman. He's the BBC's top interviewer with a lucrative contract on BBC2's Newsnight programme, famous for demanding sraight answers, and also hosts classic quiz University Challenge. Politicians quiver in his sights.

#62 guzziguy

Your quote actually just says that to get to heaven you need christianity, but not that un-christianity will lead you to perish in hell.
Judaism also has the concept of the 7 laws of noah:

While Jews are commanded to observe hundreds of laws, non-Jews are expected to follow seven that are presumed to date from the time of Noah. Judaism regards any non-Jew who keeps these laws as a righteous person who is guaranteed a place in the world to come.
1. Not to deny God.
2. Not to blaspheme God.
3. Not to murder.
4. Not to engage in incestuous, adulterous, bestial or homosexual relationships.
5. Not to steal.
6. Not to eat a limb torn from a living animal.
7. To set up courts to ensure obedience to the other six laws.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judais m/The_Seven_Noahide_Laws.html
All right, i'll admit that points 1 and 4 aren't especially open, but the concept is, you can be any other religion and still not only not burn in hell for eternity, but be accepted at the pearly gates!

"We don't teach anything bad against Jews, against Christians... we vilify pigs and monkeys, and curse them to hellfire for resembling Christians and Jews, that's all!"

/oh... I see...

What's up with post #26?

That was one hell of an interview. That interviewer is my early pick for the next Anti-Idiotarian award.

#94 hayseed

I'm in NJ where the temp yesterday and today has been down to about 6 or 7 degrees Fahrenheit at night and up to 20-something in the daytime.

Yesterday evening we discovered that the kitchen sink is "stopped up" and a little backed up.

We never let solids down the kitchen sink, and always rinse dishes before they go in the dishwasher.

The kitchen sink is on a outside wall. The only plumbing that is. This whole house (a rental, and this is our first winter here) is badly insulated and drafty.

So, I'm figuring I have a frozen block in my kitchen drain pipe. Which appears to be standard PVC.

Is there anything I can do about this besides waiting till the weather warms up a bit in a few days?

:-(

#94 HAYSEED,,,

Sorry ,, but HEAVY TIMES demand HEAVY MEASURES. If we haven't learned that through history ( see A. Hitler, circa 1937, and how HEAVY MEASURES at that time could have saved the worl from HEAVY TIMES a couple of years later ! )

# 98 nice lass... i was asking a Muslim how the law of non contradiction applied too those koranic verses.

#80 Earth2moonbat 2/6/2007 06:16PM PST

#70 Wookieelips

I'll raise you one. I frankly don't care if they think I'm a kangaroo. As long as they mind their own business, they can think I'm an aardvark, and I'm going to Uranus. It's the violence that's the problem, and the whining about everybody else being racist, or whatever-ist, while they do what they falsely accuse others of doing.

Exactly.
And Hayseed, I actually used to hang out with two Saudi college students.
They were fun, they were funny, they loved it here, and one of them took every class he could, changed majors as many times as he could, and did all he could to stay in the US. He even defied his father (oil money) when he told him he wanted to marry his American girlfriend.
Culture never was an issue when we hung out. We even went to bars together (thought they didn't drink).
I didn't know much about Islam at the time, nor did I really care.
I now realize that my friends were not very "good" Muslims by the standards I keep reading about today. I often hung out all day with my friend Khalid, and not one time did I see him pray. He had Jewish friends. He respected women. He laughed with me when I looked at family photos and said his dad was rockin' the PJs pretty hard.
If they were all so accepting and embracing of other cultures as Khalid was(as much of the west has been to Islam), we wouldn't be having the problems with Islam we do today. Even if it was only that "tiny minority" we keep hearing about, it would hardly even warrant discussion.
It's weird how I never stopped to wonder why I never once met a Saudi female attending college in the US.
I've met women who had Saudi parents, but never one that got sent over here on her own. They may exist, but I have yet to see it.

Hayseed,

You can talk to the enemy all you want ... meanwhile ... they will be plotting and planning how they are going to seperate your head from the rest of you.
There is no way to "talk to the enemy" ... this Islamist enemy ... except with an M-16 or such.
If we don't wipe em out ... our children will have to.
Hopefully, (although I don't believe it to be so) the "moderate Muslims" (oxymoron?) will stop being afraid of being killed and speak out.
I say quit talking and start wiping em out.

Just the thoughts of a good ole country boy ...

Pipes on Hannity & that other guy.

hayseed,

I've never said "nuke mecca" and I've had and continue to have plenty of conversions with Muslims. They aren't monolithic, many are highly offensive and many I can get along with whether or not we disagree, although being personable sometimes belies much disagreement. I've often made the case here for taking care distinguishing active terrorists and their supporters from most other Muslims and the regular disenfranchised. Confusing the issue a lot of terror-supporters can be thoroughly friendly and it isn't personal, and a lot of irrelevant people can express highly disturbing ideas.

Hayseed -- drats, I was hoping against hope that one of those "moderate" Muslims was going to speak up at last...they're kind of like Yetti, lots of people claim they exist but they're hard to find.

#93 RoyalCanadian

homosexuals are monkeys and lesbians are pigs.

How dare you imply that all lesbians are Christian! You'll be hearing from the Association of Lesbian Muslims about that one, buddy.

/discrimination on the basis of contextual orientation

#83 nonic 2/6/2007 06:18PM PST
#62 guzzi
Earth2moonbat

Not going to "heaven" does not necessarily mean going to "hell."

As E2M says, there could be other "places."

There could also be just nothing.

The paradigm for this would look like... those who believe in Jesus and live good Christian lives "have eternal life in the Father" (after death). While those who do not simply die.

I don't see much room for "other places" in orthodox Christianity (see reference below). I also think it's a pretty far reach to dismiss the very common acceptance of the "the way, the truth and the life" scripture quote. A statement was made that one shouldn't get too upset that the muslim teaching doomed non believers to hell because most other religions had similar teachings. That statement, in my opinion is true. I can find lots of other reasons to be mad at muslims. I don't have to be angry because they think I'm hell bound. Then, it was posted that ONLY the muslims had such a teaching. Simply not true as shown by Jesus' own words.

Again, I would be absolutely joyful if the muslim "faith" was assigned to history's ash bin tomorrow. I don't need to damn them because of this one belief in their teaching. I also believe that to condemn them because of something for which much of the Christian faith practices the mirror image of is not productive.

"It is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment" (Hebrews 9:27).

#100..nonic you can try heating the back wall of you kitchen sink with a hair dryer. do you have a basement?

RE my #105

Thread on it -->

#100,,, whatever liquids you pour into the drain wouldn't stay there long enough to freeze ( that whole gravity, water seeking it's own level kinda thingy) ,,,, Me thinks sumfins' stuck in there ,,, try a plunger, a snake, or some heavy duty drain cleaner

#91 Killgore Trout

I'm gonna ask this again:
Where is the love from the Muslim community for the Muslim soldiers that offered themselves up as bait for these cowards that plotted to snatch unarmed men off the streets? Why the hell are they rallying around the accused?
Why are they not using the wonderful example that the would-be victims have set to point out that moderate Muslims exist and truly do not hate the west?
WTF?

#3 spynverzyon 2/6/2007 05:18PM PST
I'd hit that...

Good God man. Have you considered Lasik?

#113 Wookieelips

Why the hell are they rallying around the accused?

I suspect they're using the culture of victimhood and opression they've been fostering for so long. As long as they claim they're being victimized, they're religiously obligated to continue the jihad.

#112 Satt

Or some seriously hot (as in boiling) water.

#100

I'm a renter too ... I just call the plumber and take it off the rent!
You did not rent a house without a drain did you? Of course not ... If your house now does not have a drain ... get it fixed and tell the landlord you are "looking out for his interests" ... don't want it to overflow and mess up something .... right?

#110 hayseed

:-) Yeah. That's what I told my sons last night.

Yeah, the pipe goes right down into the basement. I sent them down there. They found that. They said they were feeling and tapping the pipe to try to find a block, and couldn't. So they wouldn't know where to point the hair dryer. I figure at the place between the joists and ground level, where it's likely to be the coldest.

If we manage to melt it with the hair dryer, while the weather's still this cold, won't we be at risk of it happening again?

At least it can't burst, right? Open at the top (sink) and bottom (sewer), so there's expansion room, right?

Hmm. So I better worry about my intakes freezing, right? They must be right along side the drain pipe. I should try to shut off that water and open the taps, right?

Pain in the butt.

#109 guzziguy

Debate honestly, or don't debate. Something false that is true in your opinion, isn't true. You can't build conclusions on it if it isn't true. Nonic tried to explained something, and you completely ignored it.

#61 Kilgore Trout

#51 justamomof4
That's interesting. I recognise the Imam on the left (i think he's been in the news recently) but I'm not sure.

I didn't recognize him, so I checked the video source's blog and read every YouTube comment to the video.

Unfortunately, there is no ID provided (just a mention of someone familiar with this 'scholar') and there is no contact information (outside of posting a comment on a (dated/dead thread ) blog post or posting a question at youTube).

*****

#85 msdixie

justamomof4, fantastic video. What a creepy redneck imam who kept ducking the pedophile accusation. Whoever created the video deserves many kudos! It's a good teaching tool for taqiyya and kitman.

I agree. Reading JosephNadir's blog reveals :

This was a good opportunity to put into practice some of Fitzgerald’s tips about arming yourself with knowledge and asking pointed questions meant to shed clarity on the Islamic worldview.

Cool. I'm done. Every Christian church I've attended throughout my long life has taught that there is one-way to heaven through Jesus and that not accepting him was a one-way ticket to the need of serious air conditioning.
But, I'm sure you're right. Such a teaching in the faith simply does not exist.

#112 sattv4u2

Thanks for chiming in.

or some heavy duty drain cleaner

We did. No effect whatsoever.

Guzziguy -- I'm betting the real answers, should we be fortunate enough to ever know them, will surely suprise everybody, especially those misguided liberals and Mohammadans who undervalue God's greatest gift -- LIFE!

yeh shutting off the water to the sink is a good idea. whoever ran the water lines on a out side wall was not to bright. do you have a clean out plug in the basement for your sink line. if you do pull the plug out and let the hot air go up the drain line. you may get a little wet when it thaws.

#115 Killgore Trout

I'm sure you're right, as I can see no logical explanation for it. It just baffles me to end.

No wonder it's starting look like there aren't any non-radical Muslims. I would be afraid, too.
Can you imagine saying "Let them come for me, I'll help you catch the people that want to MURDER me", then having your own community turn on you?
Gah!

nonic....some times i have had to run a auger to get the line open.

#116 illegal upchuck

Or some seriously hot (as in boiling) water.

Did that, too. BIG stock pot of very, very hot water. All it did was steam up the kitchen for over half an hour.

#116 illegal upchuck

BTW, thanks.

#117 cavy

Good point. This is my first time renting. I didn't think of that. And thanks.

Late to the blog. Who the heck is "kasper", and why doesn't he/she post here? I don't get it.

NONIC ,,,,, [Link: www.rotorooter.com...]
senf=d the bill to the landlord

54 mich-again

I LOVE IT! Thank you!

#124 hayseed

do you have a clean out plug in the basement for your sink line. if you do pull the plug out and let the hot air go up the drain line. you may get a little wet when it thaws.

Okay. I'll ask the sons to look for a clean-out plug. Thanks.

How come we don't have reporters like that here?

#126 hayseed

an auger

Is that more than just a snake? Sounds like a tool to push or cut.

#130 sattv4u2

Thanks for the advice. It may come to that. (Why not? I pay obscene rent here.)

nonic...yeh it's just a snake.

nonic hope things go well for you....God Bless

got to go to the sunni board as i am expecting some answers to questions i asked there.

HAD ANYONE NOTICED...

SHE JUST SAID, I HAD READ THE TRANSLATIONS THAT WERE SENT TO ME BY BBC. it at 3:11 time left...

#136 hayseed

Well, thanks for the info and advice. We'll try a couple more things, and then maybe I will call RotoRooter.

I was an owner (designer-builder-owner) for 30 years, so my knee-jerk reaction is to try to take care of it ourselves. But, hey, the $RENT$ I'm payin' here......

Thanks to sattv4u2, illegal upchuck, and cavy for the advice, too. :-)

Gotta love LGF.

Nonic - I don't know how your plumbing is configured, but you may be able to use a device that goes on the end of a garden hose, and inflates under water pressure, seals off to the inside of the pipe, and hoses the plug out. They sell them at Home Depot and other HI stores for $5-10. It looks like a black rubber sausage.

The director of the school is interviewed, and she says the translations are inaccurate, taken out of context, etc.

Taken out of context the same way a beheading is taken out of context. We really just meant to shave his neck but forgot our shaving cream and straight razor. We had no choice but to shave dry with our machete. Got carried away on some hard-to-get areas, that`s all.

82 hayseed
I'm no lover of Islam but how many people here have ever talked face to face with a Muslim.

[raises hand]

As Dame Edna would say; you are all monkeys and pigs, but I mean that in a nice way, I really do.

#140 Earth2Moonbat

Thanks.

#114 Aviator

#3 spynverzyon 2/6/2007 05:18PM PST
I'd hit that...
Good God man. Have you considered Lasik?

Momentarily had her confused with a pig before I realized she was an RoP spokescamel. Monkey not see too good.

#137 Hayseed --

got to go to the sunni board as i am expecting some answers to questions i asked there.

Please, invite some of them here, I'm sure Charles wouldn't mind and it would be quite an interesting conversation, don't you think?

Islam burn in hell!. Slavers and Pimps make up Islam.. sorry you have to read it all in the longer story to get the context. It sounds worst then it is.. beside those words don't translate in arabic the way they are meant to be understood..

/what crap! Islam thy name is confusion and lies

#146 NiceLass

What does the "L" stand for?

Wow... I never thought the BBC could get the truth out there, but that guy was great!

And that (expletive of your choice) woman. She actually admitted she wouldn't be removing the books from her school.

They seem to be compulsive liars.

#148 spy

lass n. A girl or young woman. A sweetheart. [Middle English las , probably of Scandinavian origin.

;)

But..but ..but....there are other parts of the books that we can use...ya know like the part that teaches about honor killings of 12 year old rape victims..and and...how crucial it is to mutilate our womenfolk..and and.....

about the 72 lassies waitin up in Paradiso for our lil boys who grow up to be self imploding bombs ya know!

Sheesh...I mean cant u see how useful the "other " chapters in these books are!

oink oink*

That guy was terrific. Charlie Rose he is not.

I think he forgot to ask her what u would get if a monkey and a pig mated?

Excerpts from Saudi Ministry
of Education Textbooks for Islamic Studies: Arabic with English Translation

*110 page .pdf file

Let me guess without reading the thread.

The thread is all about the faux view that Christianity sends every non-Christian to hell?

that was pretty good
the interviewer was almost relentless

I think he's the first I've heard say "what is your interpretation?"

even when the lying Muslims resort to the old "it only has meaning in Arabic" trick, it is good to even hear that, because the more they say it, the sooner people will see through the trick

the liars do not have a large repertoire of lies, and it is wearing thin, at last

'Splain something. If Jews are monkeys and Christians are pigs, and it's ok for a muslim male to marry a Jewish or Christian female, I mean, isn't that like haram, doinking a sow like that?

what channel did this run on?

Actually, not too long ago, a Muslim told me that it must be taken into consideration that Islam was created by Mohammad for people who often buried their baby daughters in the sand. In other words, designed for subhumans, in an attempt to humanize them.

#156 Roger

One person started that, and then when cornered, said something to the effect that that's what he was taught (therefore it's written).

150 DistantThunder

They seem to be compulsive liars.

Well, yes and no. It's about this 'dualism' thingy.

Our first clue about the dualism is in the Koran, which is actually two books, the Koran of Mecca (early) and the Koran of Medina (later). The insight into the logic of the Koran comes from the large numbers of contradictions in it. On the surface, Islam resolves these contradictions by resorting to “abrogation”. This means that the verse written later supersedes the earlier verse. But in fact, since the Koran is considered by Muslims to be the perfect word of Allah, both verses are sacred and true. The later verse is “better,” but the earlier verse cannot be wrong since Allah is perfect. This is the foundation of dualism. Both verses are “right.” Both sides of the contradiction are true in dualistic logic. The circumstances govern which verse is used.

#154 Angel

A pinkey?

#160 NiceLass

I think there's some truth to that. By the standards of the day, Mohammed was enlightened. The problem is that nothing evolved in 1400 years. Nothing formal that can stand up to the retorgrade jihadis, anyway.

#161 Earth2moonbat

Ah, as expected. The mindless, uneducated equivocation is a given.

#163 Wookieelips

pinkey!..ha..I think u jus coined a new term!..lol

Earth2moonbat

It must be your intolerance showing..I mean whats wrong with mating with animals huh huh..:-)
..sheesh those infidel Westerners can be so close minded eh.
btw...should we just fill in forms as pig or monkey next time our religious affiliation is requested ?

#164 --

I agree. I also learned that Islam is supposed to go through a major change every so often, and that many Muslims think it's long past due. I guess our best hope is to do whatever we can to ensure that the change does come, and soon, and that it's not something like crazy Amadinnerjacket's way.

IMO that's our best hope to end this before it really does become WWIII and wouldn't it be nice if some of the "moderate" Muslims would show up here so we can discuss it? I know there are Muslims who read this board -- why won't they speak up?

Liar, liar, burqa on fire.

In the good olde days she would have been tarred and feathered and run out of town on rail.

On this occasion I will make an exception and endorse a core English traddition.

#151 NiceLass

lass n. A girl or young woman. A sweetheart. [Middle English las , probably of Scandinavian origin.

Indeed. Prompts a rather darker and perhaps more apt variation on an old "Polack joke" from before the era of PC:

An Irishman and a mullah are out hunting early one morning in the woods of County Sligo. After a time, the Irishman halts suddenly at the edge of a clearing, and whispers to the mullah, "Hush! I have spied the game." A moment later, a deer appears on the far side of the clearing, and the Irishman raises his rifle and shoots it. "Ah," says, the Irishman, "let us hunt further while the day is young, and after the noon we shall return to dress the game."

They go on, and after another short while the Irishman again shushes the mullah, saying, "Somethin' stirs in the grass of the clearin'." A moment later, a lissome and nubile young lass goes prancing through the ferns and wearing nothing but the clothing God gave her and some apple blossom in her hair.

The Irishman drops his gun, along with his jaw, and stares in amazement. Collecting himself, he calls out, "Aye, lass! Thou art the fairest maiden these woods have known! Forgive me if my passion moves me to ask, 'Are ye game, lass? Are ye game to taste the wonders of creation?'"

The maiden blushes head to toe, but smiles brightly as the sun, and trills back, lyrical and lilting, "Indeed, master! I am game for all the sport you offer."

So the mullah shoots her.

#164 Earth2moonbat

I don't know....marrying a six year old, then consumating that marriage when she was nine? Even in those days, that's a little early. Usually a girl was "marriageable" when she started menstruating. Even today, it's very rare for a girl to start that early.
He doesn't sound that enlightened, even for a bunch of barbarous, cruel people.

I still say pedophile.

#154 Angel

I think he forgot to ask her what u would get if a monkey and a pig mated?

Actually, I answered that in #20 (above).

82 hayseed

how many people here have ever talked face to face with a Muslim

How about every single day at work? Does that count?

82 hayseed

I think you're jumping to conclusions here.

I'm not the type to fling out random phrases like "Nuke Mecca" (I don't criticize you guys for it- it's just not my way), and while I don't think highly of Islam in general I certainly don't make generalizations about Muslims. I mean, most of my co-workers are Muslims, and I'm good friends with them. (Hence why I'm careful about my words, as noted above.) My criticisms on this board are reserved for the specific events mentioned, and the specific people mentioned. If they appear general, I think you can impute that to the fact that the events and people are widespread- from A to Z, America to Zimbabwe, Ahmadinejad to al-Zawahiri... The danger is everywhere, considering we're at war against an ideology.

I guess I'm preaching to the converted here, though.

82 hayseed

I'm no lover of Islam but how many people here have ever talked face to face with a Muslim.

I've been face to face (after a fashion) with old Mo himself. Check out zombie's Mohammed archive, miscellaneous section to see what I mean!

spynverzyon

the swine on the flying trapeze..lol

Po kids!

#175 HypnoToad

I've been face to face (after a fashion) with old Mo himself. Check out zombie's Mohammed archive, miscellaneous section to see what I mean!

Don't be so coy and modest! Give the people what they want: Direct links!

HypnoToad's Turkish investigation:

Picture of Mohammed's beard box

Picture of placard for box

Caption:

The Mevlana Museum in the Turkish City of Konya houses an extremely rare relic from Mohammed's body itself: this antique box contains what is said to be Mohammed's beard. Tour guides at the museum say that such relics were taken from across the Middle East by Ottoman Sultans and brought back to Turkey to preserve them from fundamentalist Islamic sects (such as the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia) that sought to destroy idolotrous Mohammed relics even centuries ago. These photos were taken and submitted by Archive reader "HypnoToad." (More photos of the museum can be seen here.) The museum also has a reliquary which supposedly houses one of Mohammed's teeth.

Deportation much?

177 zombie

I also have a pic of myself staring at the box which might be worth a fatwa or two. ;-)

Re Post No. 25 --

"Most religions believe that those from other
religions are going to hell"

Well, in Judaism the subject of an afterlife does not come up until the time of the Talmud and the idea of a World To Come.

The view then is stated "THE RIGHTEOUS OF ALL NATIONS have a share in the World to Come"
That is, religion and nationality are irrelevant -- only conduct counts.

And the requirements for admission are not overly strict. The deeds of a person's lifetime are weighed on a scale. If the good deeds outweight the bad ones -- you're in!

I talked to a muslim once in bootcamp. Took me three weeks to find out He was muslim, I said, "Really?". I was really interested because I had never met one...this was in 1991. He gave me a furious look and said "don't You dare say anything about ISSSLAM". I thought he was nuts and never said anything to him again. it was like, Uhhhh, OK dude, well gotta shine my boots!

#181

So, you just wanted to find out more about him because you were curious, and he hissed at you in a snakelike manner? Hmmmm.....

Pretty much, kinda scared Me.

#183

And rightly so. I hope you spent a lot of time making sure your back was covered.

I think maybe He expected me to say islam is full of crap or something, Bootcamp can get pretty monotonous so one way to relive boredom is to say stuff like "where Ya from?" and then, "Oh Yeah, that place sucks!"
This can be done with humor but every once in a while someone will really get mad.

#185

I suppose it's possible he had already taken a lot of heat over his religion. On the other hand, now that we know a little more about the dark side of the moon(god), his warning was very ominous. Good for you for disengaging before things got nasty.

relive boredom should be relieve boredom, unless You enjoy boredom.

#186

I rarely have sense to quit when I'm ahead but I did.
Actually He did not get any flak over his religion, He did not pray or anything and I never mentioned it to anyone because it did not seem important. This was back when the average joe knew nothing about islam.

well goodnight!

I didn't catch Newsnight (the BBC programme) but am pleased that Jeremy Paxman didn't give up in demanding answers. I LOVED (/sarc) her defense of 'interpretation', 'you have to read it in Arabic'. Jeremy barking that the BBC had it translated by two independent translators. Then when she refused to provide her translation or even her interpretation. And prattling to the end about 'interfaith dialogue' and that crap while still insisting that the books have 'good bits'.
I think Paxman's last line was best 'We'll have to let the viewers decide'.
Wish the lads from MCB who likewise go on about 'interfaith harmony' were interviewed on national tv in this manner. Once they refuse to answer the hard questions, everyone can see them for the extremist bigots they are.

Wow.

That woman is an enemy propagandist, creating soldiers to fight us in 10 or 20 years. If only it was legal to kill her.

The real evil was that the bitch couldn't even see the problem.

The children should be moved into mainstream schools to have their brains disinfected from the poisonous shit that has been poured into them.

Note at 4:48 on countdown clock

There is a crow shitting sitting on the
Eye of Sauron.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Oh, I've been taking out of context , you have to understand the text in it's original elvish and have studied all three books.

#155 ratherdashing 2/6/2007 07:50PM PST
Thanks for that source, it's good. I have it in PDF file on my computer now.

Surprised to find out in bood that for 'blood money':
a. One Muslim man equals 100 camels
b. One Infidel man equals 50 camels
c. One Muslim woman equals 50 camels
d. One Infidel woman equals 25 camels

In other words, one Infidel man equals one Muslim woman.
Seeing how much they despise infidels sheds light on how much they value their women.

I'll share that file with others so that the world will finally start to see what's being taught.

We do use books that call Jews 'apes' admits head of UK Islamic school

[Link: www.thisislondon.co.uk...]

The principal of an Islamic school has admitted that it uses textbooks which describe Jews as "apes" and Christians as "pigs" and has refused to withdraw them.

The school is owned, funded and run by the government of Saudi Arabia.

I love it - so, what would YOUR translation be? Oh, uh, ya know, it was all out of context. Yeah, that's it!

It's nice to see that this kind of islamo-supremecist sh*t is being exposed, but can you MSM guys hurry up a bit? We don't have a lot of time left.

Maybe we should use the Turner Diaries for grammar lessons in the US.

I'm beginning to think we might need to put together some kind of stipend/honorarium for our "field reporters" like Kasper and Zombie.

Thank you for keeping us informed Charles, Kasper, Zombie, et al!

The thing that is coming out now, AHA is wonderful on this, is that Islam itself is "radical" there is no such thing as a radical muslim. There are devout muslims,i.e, Radical, and casual, non to semi-practicing muslims.
The difference I have made in the past is that when Joe and Achmed, buddies say in Chicago, decide to get serious about their religion they hear very different messages. Joe, a Christian, starts paying attention to his priest/pastor and reading the words of Jesus hears that the Kingdom is not of this world and that they owe love to all men. Achmed when he listens to his iman and reads the words of mohammed, hears that infidels must die and that they are not his brothers but are sons of pigs and dogs.

#82 hayseed

What you don't know can make you assumptive and speak blindly.

198 billhedrick

Excellent point - and important. I've known a number of people raised as Muslims, and your comment is spot on.

Also, former Muslims seldom advertise their apostacy. Those who reject Islam are well aware of the potential consequences. It is much easier (and safer) to quietly slip into agnosticism or atheism than to convert to another religion.

Mistranslated? Taken out of context? Of course! Monkeys and Pigs could not possibly get anything as sublime as Islam. Why, Monkeys and Pigs can't even read .. wait a minute .. just you wait a darned minute .. "As the U.N.’s Arab Human Development Report 2002 made abundantly clear, the Arab world’s track record on education, particularly girls’ education, is shameful. Sixty-five million adult Arabs are illiterate, and two-thirds of them are women. Illiteracy rates are higher in many Middle Eastern countries than those in much poorer states elsewhere in the world. While strides have been made over the past generation, more than 10 million Arab children between the ages of 6 and 15 are still not enrolled in any schooling, and this number is set to increase by 40 percent over the next decade."
[Link: www.cfr.org...]

#201 ...One more thing! And, when they are finally taught to read ... this is the crap they're given to read. One way or another, minds get destroyed in Islamia.

Absolutely amazing. . . there is NOTHING that can be translated from the original Arabic without being misunderstood, misinterpreted, taken out of context.

How do you translate "liar"?

China banned the use of pigs in TV ads relating to the "Year of the Pig" New Year celebration out of sensitivity to their Muslims because pigs are so unclean it's offensive to Muslims to even hear or see the word. Taxi drivers in Minnesota can't have dogs in their cabs because it's so offensive. But Muslims in England print the words in their text books when discussing infidels. How can anyone even handle a book that contains such disturbing words, let alone give it to poor innocent tykes?

I'm so confused . . .

I bet there would be a huge outcry from the ROP if british textboks called muslims donkeys and camels. This is the perfect thing to use the lefty multiculti hate crime laws against. How and why are they able to use such textbooks, which are probably illegal under british law, is beyond me. Lock up the woman without a bag and burn the offending text books.

The translation is not Monkeys and Pigs?
They must mean Curious George and Babe, how cute.

The Saudis have and always will be the biggest threat to the west. The way in which the west sucks up to them, their oil and their oil money sickens me. If there ever was a reason to go green and use renewable energy sources, marginalising the Saudis has to be top of the list. It's a shame it won't happen in my lifetime.

Well that depends on what your definition of the word "is"..... is.

The video is a WOW!

Why is Arabic the only language that cannot be translated into English?

Are the Biritish waking up to the threat of Muslims in England? Let us hope so.