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Pelosi in a Hijab

Tue, Apr 3, 2007 at 11:36:05 am PDT

The modern Democratic leadership.

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, wears a scarf inside Ommayad Mosque during her tour at a popular market in downtown Damascus, Syria, Tuesday April 3, 2007. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi arrived in Syria on Tuesday, the highest-ranking American politician to visit the country since relations began to deteriorate four years ago. President George W. Bush criticized the trip, saying it sends mixed signals to President Bashar Assad. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

UPDATE at 4/3/07 12:07:53 pm:

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, looks at the tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist inside the historic Ommayad Mosque, during her tour at a popular market in downtown Damascus, Syria, Tuesday April 3, 2007. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

How ... quaint.

A reply to the many ignorant attacks launched against this post: When Angry Blind Leftists Attack.

Also see: Syrian Reformists: The Damage from Pelosi’s Visit Will Be Felt for Years.

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1 FQ Kafir  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:36:55am

If shwe wasn't ugly before, she sure is now.

2 BR DevilDog  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:37:22am

Your Democrats in action.

3 My 2 Cents  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:38:09am

That may not be just the "modern Democratic leadership." It may be the future of the USA, if the Democrats take the presidency in 2008. May God help us all.

4 Necklace of Shoes  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:38:11am

Repeat after me Nancy "Lan asta selan"

I will not submit!

5 jetprop  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:38:31am

Behold pelosi queen of the dhimmis.

6 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:38:55am

We were predicting it. Sho 'nuff.

7 Stonewall  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:39:10am

That picture is damned appropriate!

8 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:39:50am

She just looks like a bag lady.

Where's her shopping cart?

9 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:40:43am

BTW I've been to that mosque. IIRC, that was the seat of one of the caliphates. Fitting.

10 Skeptical Patriot  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:40:49am

Shouldn't San Francisco feminants be up in arms over this? - sk

11 rtheyserius  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:41:22am

Incomprehensibly stupid. Right up there with Dukakis riding around in a tank. She'll never live this one down.

12 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:41:50am

It's got fall leaves on it. It's way out of season.

/fashion police

13 ceemack  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:42:07am

Sheesh. Why didn't she wear a full niqab?

I think a lot more American women are going to be wearing headscarves if these knuckleheaded dhimmis re-take the White House in '08.

14 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:42:15am

Did she have to enter by the side entrance?

15 syncrodude  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:42:38am

That picture about says it. I think it needs to be used far and wide during the next election...

16 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:42:47am

#11 rtheyserius

Or Flipper in the bunny suit.

17 RTLM  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:42:55am

*VOMIT*

18 Bobblehead  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:43:01am

And that's not just any scarf, mind you. Looks like a Hermes. Fashion forward dhimmi.

19 Ayatrollah  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:43:02am

Submit to Islam woman!

20 Elcid  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:43:52am

A tad lower Nancy. We still know it's you.

21 beavereater  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:44:16am

Those in bags go to the balcony please. Keep your heads down and smelly bodies away from President Asshat while interloping in our house of death.

22 daledog  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:44:25am

Millions of women regard the hijab as tool of subjugation. Pelosi thinks its chic.

23 sugiero  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:44:39am

OT:
Radical Muslim clerics refused entry to Australia

A RADICAL Muslim cleric has been refused entry to Australia, and another has been asked to show cause why he should not also be banned, just days before they were due to attend an Islamic conference in Melbourne.
24 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:45:00am

rtheyserius, syncrodude

It won't matter to her constituents. She's embracing diversity.

25 kirly  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:45:39am

despicable!

26 shmujew  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:46:06am

the modern dhimmicrapic submissionship

27 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:46:15am

I thought I'd never say this (and may regret it), but Hillary Clinton suddenly seems acceptable. Okay, not acceptable, but at least she's enough of a witch that she would not pandor in this way.

28 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:46:50am

What's next for Nan- the shahadah?

Submission to misogynistic death cults is never cool.

29 Ellen  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:47:12am

When Laura Bush and other women wore black mantillas or hats to Pope John Paul II's funeral, it looked solemn and dignified. And if you were a woman there who did not wear a hat, you were not slapped with a fatwa.

Pelosi probably paid more than I make in a month for that scarf. You wasted a lot of money Nancy babe.

30 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:47:27am

Next she'll give up her driver's license.

31 spider mensch  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:47:31am

peloopsy reminds me of the old gypsy mother sitting by the fire in "Bride of Frankenstein", all she needs is a little tabaccy pipe hanging out of her mouth... "Where's the pepper and salt?" "I needs the pepper and salt!" "Baaahhh!"

32 shug  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:47:35am

another feminist bites the dust.

could the west appear any more weak? I don't think so.

33 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:47:49am

I don't know if I take a lot of exception to this since she willingly did it out of respect. Don't women don a scarf when entering a Catholic church? A synagogue? Do Gentile men wear a yamulke in a synagogue?

34 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:48:10am

27 Dave the...

I thought I'd never say this (and may regret it), but Hillary Clinton suddenly seems acceptable. Okay, not acceptable, but at least she's enough of a witch that she would not pandor in this way.

Want to make a bet?

35 Durendal  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:49:04am

she is a Death-worshipping hag, a traitor to all mankind

36 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:49:07am

Nice pic to use in a campaign ad...

/Rove

37 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:49:27am

Come on Nancy - go all the way!

Burkha time!

38 Dustoff-507  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:49:47am

WOW, this is YOUR Dem-o-crat party.

39 Max Power  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:49:49am

Jesus Christ.

I don't normally post here often but I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. I really really really really really really can't believe she's wearing, what is that, a hajib? It just boggles the mind that she's submitting her values and dignity to islam. I mean, I don't really like Pelosi, but I thought she had some personal pride. As a father of a beautiful 2 year old daughter, it makes me sick at the message this sends to our children. We aren't talking about Diane Sawyers, for Christ sakes, this is the speaker of the frickin House!

40 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:50:29am

Dang! I was hoping to see her in a naqib with only her blinking bug-eyes poking out from behind the slit.

41 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:50:40am

Ward Cleaver

Next she'll give up her driver's license.

So long as it's not her plane.

42 LanceKates  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:51:02am

Can I (mis)paraphrase the Apostle Paul?

"For those who would wear a headcovering, i wish they would go the whole way and wear a hijab!"

especially in her case.

*shudder*

The feminist movement has gone full circle... from employing women to empowering women to making women superior and now, apparently, to getting women to make themselves second-class.

Oh well... Headline: Pelosi is an Appeaser. in other top stories... water... still wet.

(back to the DDT..)

43 Maine's Michael  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:51:20am

Mama Pelosi!

Makes a nice tomato sauce!

44 jehu[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:51:39am
45 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:51:56am

#33 Mandy

Don't women don a scarf when entering a Catholic church?

Not many any more. Some elderly women, and very few of even the most devout, traditional women.

46 sugiero  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:52:11am

OT:

BBC' emotive moment (pic)

An Iraqi boy cleans a picture of Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, after one of his offices was raided overnight by US troops in Baghdad's al-Hurriya district.
47 Nadnerb  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:52:23am

BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! Excuse me while I chirp up my lunch.

48 shug  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:52:27am

it would appear from the photo that botox is haraam

49 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:52:54am

A "scarf"? Was it chilly in Damascus?

For. Fuck's. Sake.

I have to disagree with President Bush. This doesn't send "mixed signals." It sends a clear signal to our enemies. The Democrats will submit to you.

50 BusinessGuy  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:53:06am

Just got this from Patriot Post Humor:

Reid and Pelosi Surrender to Jihad Enemies (photoshopped fun).

http://archive.PatriotPost.US/humor/reid-pelosi-su rrender.jpg

51 Black George Bush  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:53:59am

Ahhh, Pelosi is experiencing the wonders of Sharia :0

52 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:54:02am

Copperheads !

Good "R" campaign photo for 2008.

53 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:54:11am

Ringo the Gringo

separated at birth?

Runaway Bride

Pelosi

54 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:54:27am

:shrug: Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too, not to mention wear "modest" clothing.

Go figure.

55 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:54:31am

33 MandyManners

I don't know if I take a lot of exception to this since she willingly did it out of respect.

I would agree with you, but do we know she did this willingly? Frankly, I'm surprised they let this infidel woman in the mosque at all.

56 Han_Solo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:54:36am

1) Wow...nice going way to stand up for feminst values


2) On the good side, she looks a hell of a lot better with that on. In fact she would be downright attractive if she would just wear one of the ones that are black and only show the eyes. :)

57 squarepeg  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:54:43am

#33 mandy

I don't consider a mosque the moral equivalent of a church or a synagogue. I wouldn't enter one. Well, if it was the Blue Mosque I might . . . and I did . . . but honest to God, it was for the artwork. As for the Islam, I didn't inhale. Nancy's motives were entirely different.

58 tsol  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:54:52am

Cowards Bend the Knee... as do Dems.

59 RTLM  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:56:18am

BTW
Note to Bush: Do not go wobbly on Iran now. Do not release the 5 Irbil Iranians in exchange for the 15 British Marines. No matter how loud Blair whines.

60 Hellfire  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:56:20am

Hmmm, I see an opportunity here.
Print up a billion copies.
Add the caption " The 72 virgins want YOU".
Drop them all over the ME.


Then see how fast the jihadi recruiting offices close up.

61 jehu[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:56:31am
62 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:56:31am

Link be broke. Sorry.

63 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:57:55am

They see it as a cultural thing, not a religious one.

They should only express so much love of their own culture and religions.

Otherwise,

Somehow this is "new"

New Textbook Reportedly Teaching Palestinian Kids to Fight Israel

64 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:58:06am

Need Demerol

65 akak  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:58:43am

She's been hanging with Amy Kellog from Fox and the UK Foreign Ambassdor's ass't apparently?

Moderates 1 free world 0 submits

66 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:58:45am

here she is with other oppressed women: Yahoo pic

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (L) shakes hand with Muslim women inside the Umayyad mosque during a tour in Damascus April 3, 2007.

I wonder what's in the Mosque.
Yahoo pic

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, looks at the tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist inside the historic Ommayad Mosque

Cool.

67 astronmr20  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:58:49am

***Projectile Vomiting***

68 percopius  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:59:00am

This is the only photo of Pelo where her eyebrows are not arched.

69 wargammer2005  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:59:09am

that picture is how i'd imagine professor umbridge from the 5th Harry Potter book.

she is not sending a mixed message, she is telling syria she is on their side.

70 reggie  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:59:09am
Bush criticized the trip, saying it sends mixed signals to President Bashar Assad.

Hey, Assad- keep her, she's all yours!
Seems fairly straightforward to me.

71 Temujin  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:59:26am
72 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:59:34am

#54 Naso Tang

Women are not expected to covee their heads in Catholic chrches. How many decades has it been since you were in one, if ever?

And as for modest dress, I can't tell you how many people I see wearing shorts in church in the summer. It's a matter of reverence (or the lack of it).

73 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:59:51am

The Autumn leaves on the scarf add a nice touch...except that IT"S SPRING!

74 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:59:53am

54 Naso Tang

:shrug: Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too, not to mention wear "modest" clothing.

Someone should really come to my church and tell them that. Not a single woman at Mass (but the nuns) has their head covered.

75 jehu  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:59:58am

Not to mention these are the same sort of fuckwits that would take a shower in bleach if they touched a Nativity Scene.

76 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:00:21pm

Wall STreet Journal Opinion page:

The Trouble With Islam

You have to register.

77 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:00:43pm

How ironic that just last week these pukes reintroduced the ERA.

Ha!

She will never live that photo down.

Of course, those who keep reminding her of it will be accused of smearing her.

78 simonml[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:00:55pm
79 syncrodude  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:01:09pm

# 24 Ward Cleaver,

Your right, it won't affect her constituents. They would vote for a straw filled burka if it hurt conservatism.

But some of the fence sitters may be swayed by this.

and BTW, i just can't think that she could have been considered, "uncovered meat" to begin with.

80 akak  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:01:14pm

Ward Cleaver notice the cargo take down today?

81 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:01:35pm

#54 Naso Tang

:shrug: Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too, not to mention wear "modest" clothing.

Why don't you tell us some more of your extensive knowledge of what goes on in Catholic churches?

82 Hellfire  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:02:07pm

#44 Jehu

""How does Mohammed's ass taste you worthless f'ing bitch?"

Fuuuck i'm still laughing!

83 nyc redneck  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:02:17pm

nancy, don't you see that soon YOU won't get to decide if you put the rag on your head. get your useless ass out of there, you inappropriate ineffectual moron.

84 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:02:26pm
#61 jehu 4/03/2007 11:56:31 am PDT

You worthless idiot. The Catholic Church does not cut off people heads, you are too fucking stupid to be able to breath. How do you manage to even wipe your own ass?

And this comment shows just how civilized you are, I presume?

85 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:02:31pm
#39 Max Power 4/03/2007 11:49:49 am We aren't talking about Diane Sawyers, for Christ sakes, this is the speaker of the frickin House!

Worse. She is second in line for the Presidency should anything happen to Bush and Cheney. This is an absolute abomination - she is not a "tourist" - the American Taxpayer is footing the bill. And she has absolutely NO constitutional authority to perform any act of diplomacy unless it is specifically at the direction of the EXECUTIVE branch.

When she gets back she should be arrested and tried for treason.

86 Bill Jefferson  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:02:49pm

I want to be understanding, and say that she might be expected to do the same in many a pagan temple, or even in the presence of a monarch. (Comparing a mosque to a church or synagogue is not to my liking.) But in those cases I would hope for a sign of, if not defiance, limits to deference: A curtsy rather than a bow, declining to use an entrance meant to humiliate, or the like. All I see here is dhimmitude. This visit clearly was a bad idea; let's hope this is the only proof we see.

87 Largecanine  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:03:01pm

Congress has been pissing in the soup since the Revolutionary War. Pelosi's servile toadying is unsurprising.

88 Nadnerb  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:03:36pm
#54 Naso Tang

:shrug: Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too, not to mention wear "modest" clothing.

Go figure.

Women in Catholic churches do so at their own will. It is not mandated that head coverings be worn. It is also considered "not Kosher" (heh) to wear sandals or shorts in church for both men and women. However, in Catholic/Christian countries, women who are uncovered are not beaten and referred to as "uncovered meat" as they have been called to by certain imams. Also, the teachings of Catholicism and Christianity NEVER have called for the beheadings of non-believers, unlike the "peaceful" religion of Islam.

89 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:04:05pm

78 simonml,

Yikes!...And I thought I was being harsh joking about her buggy eyes.

90 RTLM  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:04:07pm

I just hope the USAF Air Crew get themselves and the airplane back home safely from this political buffoonery.

(And try not to lose the baggage)

91 William  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:04:07pm

Is there a Baathist dictatorship on Earth that doesn't love Dems?

92 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:04:10pm

#33 MandyManners

When I was there, there was a muslim woman tour guide. I had to take my shoes off, and she threw a cloth on her head, because those were the house rules. Whether it's out of respect, or whether it was because of the rules, you just do that.

The point here was that she really had no business going to the place in her official capacity. Would an Arab head of state go to a cathedral when visiting the US? Don't think so. She just contradicted all of the crapola that the demos have been saying from day 1 about separation of church and state. She showed the entire demo/liberal establishment to be liars and hypocrites to be preaching out of one side of their mouths how great secularism is and then pulling a stunt like this.

Agreed that if she's going to go there, she has to do it according to house rules. She just didn't have any business going there. But then again, she didn't have any business in Damascus at all.

93 wee fury  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:04:18pm

I expect to hear outrage from the Islamic community soon. The scarf is not black. The scarf does not cover the face. The scarf was admitted into a mosque.
/O, the shame of it.

94 IrishEi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:04:25pm

Orianna Fallaci tore the rags off.

Pelosi's no Fallaci, that's for damn sure.

95 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:04:47pm

Sharmuta

No, you'd win.

Right after I sent that, I kind of regretted it. The first thing I thought of was Hillary and that wierd accent she used last month.

96 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:04:51pm

#80 akak

Nope. Do you have a link?

97 Han_Solo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:05:07pm

>Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too,
>not to mention wear "modest" clothing.

Not a catholic thing, a CHRISTIAN thing. It was a christian tradition for the longest time.

It was even specifed by John Knox and Thomas Calvin, the founders of the Protestant movement.

It was not until the 20th century (1900+) that prodestant churches started to do away with this tradition. Vatican II in the 1970's did away with this mostly for lay Catholics and in the 1980's when Nun's uniforms got away from the old habit with veil and into simply slacks and shirts etc.

98 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:05:23pm

Check out this picture of another Democrat fearless leader.

99 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:05:30pm

Pelosi gladhanding Abbas...
Yahoo pic


Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas (R) shakes hands with Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi at the Palestinian Authority headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah April 3, 2007, in this picture released by the Palestinian Press Office (PPO). REUTERS/Thaer Ganaim/PPO/Handout (WEST BANK). EDITORIAL USE ONLY. NOT FOR SALE FOR MARKETING OR ADVERTISING CAMPAIGNS.

All caps original, what an odd disclaimer.

100 DesertSage  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:05:33pm

This woman is such a tool for the Leftists.

What the hell is she trying to accomplish in Syria? What the hell could she say to Assad that he will listen too?

"Oh please Mr. Dictator, please stop funding terrorism"

Like he would really listen to her.
She is a real piece of shit! And she's f**king dangerous too!

She'll come back with a paper in her hand just like this guy.

101 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:06:14pm

And all her fruit sucking and glad handing does what exactly? WHY IS SHE THERE?

102 Highrise  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:06:32pm

Traitor! Sell out! Submitter! Pathetic idiot!

May Code Pink set up shop outside your house...witch.

103 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:06:44pm
#66 Killgore Trout 4/03/2007 11:58:45
I wonder what's in the Mosque.
Yahoo pic

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, looks at the tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist inside the historic Ommayad Mosque

Cool.

You know Killgore, that second link you posted - Charles missed the REAL story here - she has on a BLACK BAG! Over her regular clothing!

104 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:07:38pm

Hey Naso. Enlighten us. Tell us about the exorcisms that happen in Catholic Mass. And while you're at it, maybe you can tell us all about the blood matzohs that are being scarfed down for Passover.

Idiot.

105 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:07:38pm

Jammie

She will never live that photo down.

That was my first thought...

106 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:07:54pm

OOOH! Then there's the shopping!

107 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:08:16pm

Here is Nancy in all her muslim glory -
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

108 squarepeg  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:08:33pm

Fallaci continued posing indignant questions about the treatment of women in the new Islamic state. Why, she asked, did Khomeini compel women to “hide themselves, all bundled up,” when they had proved their equal stature by helping to bring about the Islamic revolution? Khomeini replied that the women who “contributed to the revolution were, and are, women with the Islamic dress”; they weren’t women like Fallaci, who “go around all uncovered, dragging behind them a tail of men.” A few minutes later, Fallaci asked a more insolent question: “How do you swim in a chador?” Khomeini snapped, “Our customs are none of your business. If you do not like Islamic dress you are not obliged to wear it. Because Islamic dress is for good and proper young women.” Fallaci saw an opening, and charged in. “That’s very kind of you, Imam. And since you said so, I’m going to take off this stupid, medieval rag right now.” She yanked off her chador.

109 simonml  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:08:35pm

Sorry for the angry comment. I saw the pic about 5 minutes after several colleagues referred to Pelosi as "hot." Its just a personal opinion. I don't find her attractive. Not even for a 67 year old woman

110 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:09:23pm

I wonder if the Syrian masses can see her from under Assad's boot.

Keep them under boot as long as it helps them politically.

They really do like animals more than people.

Sacrifice the Iraqi pop for power.

Lend legitimacy to tyrants for power.

When is she visiting Iran?

111 akak  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:09:33pm

er

too busy trying too outdrink murky

same thing ...hit a cargo taking off

I'll look

112 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:09:44pm

#88 Nadnerb

Some brothers wear sandals (like Fr. Groeschel's order), but it's really not something the regular parishioner typically wears. I usually wear slacks to Mass, occasionally jeans (and only then to Saturday vigil Mass). I prefer modest, reverential dress.

113 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:09:47pm
#81 ec marm 4/03/2007 12:01:35 pm PDT

Why don't you tell us some more of your extensive knowledge of what goes on in Catholic churches?

What else would be relevant? I've toured them. I think it's true. Big deal. Why do you sound upset (along with the obscenity spouters here)? It's kind of funny that some people think they get respect by acting like trash brats.

Pelosi is making a mistake going to Syria. Observing the same custom that she would in Rome, however, is trivia.

She does look kind of dorky however, and hardly a strong representation of the USA. There, does that make you feel better?

114 SaneInMN  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:09:56pm

Naso Tang...

When is the last time you entered a Catholic church? Modest clothing? Ever heard of "donning your Easter best.."? Summer attire for young women usually consists of Khaki shorts, flip flops, and t-shirt. Personally, I think church attendees are too casual anymore regarding their attire. However, comparing hijab, which ONLY functions to marginalize women, with the 21st century Christianity is ludicrous.

115 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:10:07pm

NoSubmission

LOL

I think that is an Hermes scarf...she's a season off though with those autumn leaves.

Catty? Moi?

116 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:11:20pm

#103 galloping granny
Nice catch! It's in both pics I linked to. It must me the rental burka for for all those unclean women entering the mosque, the other women are wearing the same thing.

117 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:12:19pm
#104 Earth2moonbat 4/03/2007 12:07:38 pm PDT

Hey Naso. Enlighten us. Tell us about the exorcisms that happen in Catholic Mass. And while you're at it, maybe you can tell us all about the blood matzohs that are being scarfed down for Passover.

Idiot.

Trash talk again. What the hell is the matter with you children?

118 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:12:46pm
#101 NoSubmission 4/03/2007 12:06:14 pm PDT

And all her fruit sucking and glad handing does what exactly? WHY IS SHE THERE?

To strike a deal, to collect her pay, to hold an unauthorized summit with various arab rulers. . . .to sell the farm - or our country.

I just hope that Bush and Cheney have HUGE amounts of protection. This "visit" bodes no well.

119 charles_martel  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:12:50pm

This is right up there with Sean Penn posing with saddam. They have both bent over and let themselves be propaganda tools for our sworn enemies.

So stupid...

120 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:12:53pm

OK I just realized from the rest of the pictures that she's wearing it because SHE IS IN A CHURCH. She isn't wearing it outside of the Church.

My bad.

But I stand by my comments regarding her visiting lending legitimacy to a tyrannical regime that oppresses its people.

121 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:12:56pm

Re: Update.

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, looks at the tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist inside the historic Ommayad Mosque

...and she is smiling. Are there any caliph's heads being held in churches anywhere? Any ottoman troops on display? Didn't think so.

122 cblesz  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:13:15pm

What a douchebag.

123 HDrepub  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:14:27pm

Damn who shit in that picture frame. Regardless the thing to ponder is the Donks are trying to create their own foreign policy while GWB is still President. Wish there was some charge she could be frog marched with when she touches the tarmac in the good ol' USA again.

Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

124 realwest  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:14:38pm

#77 JammieWearingFool - Hey there - when you get a chance check your e-mail or my post #153 on the hatefest at Wayne State thread. Or both, LOL!

125 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:14:50pm

Isn't she violating the Logan Act?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

126 Hellfire  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:15:13pm

I'm sorry, the only word that comes to mind that explains this sea hag is...well...

it starts with C...
ends with T
There is an N in there also

would you like to buy a vowel?

127 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:15:37pm

#107 galloping granny
Notice in the rest of the pics she's wearing a lime green pant suit. Once in the mosque she had to put on the black bag and a white cloth in the neck area to cover up her lime green outfit.
Lime Green is Haram!

128 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:15:49pm
#54 Naso Tang
:shrug: Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too, not to mention wear "modest" clothing.

Go figure.

And men are expected to keep their balls in their pants as well.

Go figure.

129 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:15:54pm
U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, looks at the tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist inside the historic Ommayad Mosque, during her tour at a popular market in downtown Damascus

Why is she smiling?

130 akak  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:16:12pm
Ben Hur 4/03/2007 12:12:53 pm PDT

OK I just realized from the rest of the pictures that she's wearing it because SHE IS IN A CHURCH. She isn't wearing it outside of the Church.

My bad.

But I stand by my comments regarding her visiting lending legitimacy to a tyrannical regime that oppresses its people


so Amy K is reporting from a church obviously...

131 Highrise  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:16:32pm

I don't think one can quite compare any other headdress of a peaceful religion to this death cult's headdress symbolically. My mom was a nun for a few years and I can guarantee you not at one time did she feel her head was at risk of being separated, nor was she beaten by the priests and nuns there. And she left the catholic church and she's still alive to this day...THE HORROR! It's not the same symbolically at all. pelosi is a submitting traitor idiot.


Hillary clinton would for sure wear one of these. She's famous for licking her finger and sticking it up in the wind. She is a good chameleon..falls in line nicely if it will buy her a single inch to advance. Make no mistake.

132 Maine's Michael  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:16:45pm

Too bad she wan't there a 3 years abck. Assad could have arranged for her to see poor Daniel Pearl's head.

133 alteredbeat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:17:10pm

Yup, we must respect their culture when they want to destroy ours. Thanks for your leadership Nancy!

We need some real leaders with some sack ready to put down our enemies.

"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."

134 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:17:17pm

akak,

er

too busy trying too outdrink murky

Not on yer best day, killer.

I put the funk in funk-tioning alcoholic.

135 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:17:37pm

#113 Naso Trang

I've toured them.

And you spent last night in a Hoilday Inn Express?

136 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:18:19pm

113 Naso Tang

You've toured Catholic churches and saw women with covered heads... Were any of these women NOT nuns?

137 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:18:21pm

This picture makes no sense. Women are not allowed in the front of the mosque and certainly not permitted to mingle with the men folk.,..

Total set up. Fraud.

138 Nadnerb  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:18:49pm

#112 Ward Cleaver

True, true. I prefer to dress modestly as well, with my shirt at least tucked in! At the young peoples mass, things are pretty casual, but I rarely see (if ever) the flip flops and shorts I like to wear on weekends.

139 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:19:08pm
#114 SaneInMN 4/03/2007 12:09:56 pm PDT

When is the last time you entered a Catholic church? Modest clothing? Ever heard of "donning your Easter best.."? Summer attire for young women usually consists of Khaki shorts, flip flops, and t-shirt. Personally, I think church attendees are too casual anymore regarding their attire. However, comparing hijab, which ONLY functions to marginalize women, with the 21st century Christianity is ludicrous.

This seems to a common theme here. Assume meanings that allows you to spout off, whether they are true or not.

I didn't make the above comparison that you call ludicrous.

Does that make you ludicrous? I'm inclined to think so.

As to T-shirts in church, maybe some places, but not in the cathedrals I've visited in Italy, but of course you know that don't you?

140 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:19:24pm

#111 akak

Was the cargo take down in Somalia?

Nothing on the Aviation Safety Network site today.

141 realwest  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:19:30pm

#33 MandyManners - don't know about tradition in the Catholic Church (although Obi-wan's funeral was in Catholic Church and I didn't see any scarves or hats) but I do wear a yamulke whenever I get to go to a synagogue just as a sign of respect - no one makes you where it and no one would give you so much as a dirty look if you didn't
(yes, there were other men there who may also not have been Jewish who chose not to wear a yamulke during services).
I don't really think this was a sign of respect from Ms. Pelosi; just a sign of who's side she's really on in the WoT.

142 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:19:50pm

Sharm 129,

Why is she smiling?

I thought the same thing in my 120.

WTF?

143 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:20:03pm

WHAT IT HIS HEAD DOING IN A MOSQUE?

144 indythinker  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:20:07pm

Reason #4,372 to win the war, prevent headscarves and track suits from taking over the fashion world.

145 crazytraveler  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:20:30pm

My main worry is "Is she wearing a Prada hijab?"

146 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:20:43pm

ben hur
most of those pics ARE in a mosque.

147 cblesz  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:21:00pm

HD repub:

I agree. It is despicable that she is freaking doing this. I am utterly disgusted...feel...migraine...coming...on

148 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:21:01pm

#117 Naso Tang

Trash talk again. What the hell is the matter with you children?

You come to LGF, a newbie, and you present your lack of knowledge as the Gospel truth. Something you need to know, right away, is that there are people of many faiths here. Stupid comments will get you smacked down. Go back to Kos.

149 akak  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:21:19pm
Murqtaad 4/03/2007 12:15:49 pm PDT

#54 Naso Tang
:shrug: Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too, not to mention wear "modest" clothing.
Go figure.

And men are expected to keep their balls in their pants as well.


c'mon Murky ...pushers of Zion...you can do it

150 SaneInMN  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:21:56pm

125 Ojoe...

Look, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (2nd ranking Dem on Senate Intel Comm. at the time) flew to Syria 13 MONTHS before we invaded Iraq and INFORMED Damascus that, "in his opinion", the US was going to invade Iraq. Rockefeller is still a US Senator, still serves on the Senate Intel Comm., and will be re-elected in 2008. So, if a US Senator can commit treason and get away with it, I think Nancy has nothing to fear concerning her personal foreign policy junket.

151 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:22:14pm

142 Murqtaad

I thought the same thing in my 120.

I saw that after I posted. Great minds think alike, Dear.

152 donna quixote  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:22:40pm

She does look like an elderly cleaning woman. Is her plastic surgery not working?

153 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:23:14pm

This Hillary photo is pretty damn scary.

154 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:23:48pm

#136 Sharmuta

If he went to churches in Italy, I can believe there were women wearing lace veils and prayer shawls; especially older women. I find it charming. Of course they're not mandatory.

155 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:23:50pm

Women do not have to cover their heads in a Catholic church. 'Modest' dress does not mean covered head-to-toe in a walking coffin with slits for eyes.

156 realwest  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:24:00pm

#123 HDrepub - With all due respect, they do indeed know what they do.

157 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:24:03pm

akak,

c'mon Murky ...pushers of Zion...you can do it

I'm trying. Would you mind pouring me a drink. This is hard work.

158 indythinker  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:24:15pm

143 Ben Hur

Christian churches in the Middle East and Europe often have "relics." For example, they might have a hand of a saint in an urn.

Muslims say they never take over another religion's holy sites. In reality, doing exactly that is core to the strategy of Islamic world domination, as is lying about it to infidels (taqiyyah).

My guess is this was once a Christian church. Fortunately, the ROP had the good sense to keep around a relic that was once in a church that they took over by force at some point. They must think they are gaining some advantage in so doing.

159 akak  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:24:31pm
Ward Cleaver 4/03/2007 12:19:24 pm PDT

#111 akak

Was the cargo take down in Somalia?

Nothing on the Aviation Safety Network site today.

Iraq...same thing...can't find link...2 kids yelpin, just thought you might be interested in their technique?

160 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:24:35pm

And what are they saying on DU? Pelosi for President!

161 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:24:45pm
#143 Ben Hur 4/03/2007 12:20:03 pm PDT

WHAT IT HIS HEAD DOING IN A MOSQUE?

Syria used to be a very Christian country - you've heard of the Road to Damascus, right? Saul was on his way to wipe out the early Christians in Damascus. Then along came Mo. . . . and the usual muslim practice of converting Christian churches to mosques was followed.

162 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:25:06pm

#146 NoSubmission
I've got a nice new Fauxtoshop of DinnerJacket I think you'll like. You were busy this weekend and I think you might have missed it.

163 dead sea squirrel  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:25:23pm

More feminist hypocrisy. They will strain out a gnat ("misogyny" in contemporary America) and swallow a camel (Islamic brutalizing of women).

Someone should simple print out the misogynistic justification for hijabs taken straight from Islamic literature, and then paste this picture over it. The resulting poster would cause some real damage among Democrats.

164 cblesz  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:25:27pm

notice how there has been no violence while she has been there? Hmmm, makes you wonder. Could it be becasue they KNOW she is THEIR friend?

165 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:25:27pm

I'm getting a 90s flashback here... Madeleine Albright smiling cheerily as North Korean slaves performed tricks for her entertainment in a Pyongyang stadium.

166 jfromfolsomca  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:25:47pm

#84 Naso Tang
#61 jehu 4/03/2007 11:56:31 am PDT
You worthless idiot. The Catholic Church does not cut off people heads, you are too fucking stupid to be able to breath. How do you manage to even wipe your own ass?


And this comment shows just how civilized you are, I presume?

Maybe it was a response to the snarky tone in your 1st post. And by the way, LGF posters correcting your statement are right. Next time, check your facts before you spout your dribble.

j

167 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:26:49pm

loppyd
Those Hermes silk scarves start at about $450.00.

168 Captain Joe  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:26:54pm

Geesh, I remember my mother having to wear such at a Catholic Church 60 years ago.

169 brent  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:27:06pm

She looks like a simpleton, maybe a bag lady. Not a leader.

But that's the point, isn't it?


Someone posted that there were 3 Rebuplicans that had made a similar trip in the last weeks, and what was the difference here? I felt sort of dumb that I didn't know they had visited, dumb enough that I didn't know what I felt.

It wasn't until later it dawned on me what the difference was: she's there specifically to offer alternatives to a dictator, more specifically to undermine the sitting President and Commander in Chief while we are at war.

That was why her visit made me angry. Glad I was able to remember that tidbit. Angry.

Didn't this crap used to stop at the water's edge?

170 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:27:19pm

Coming in late here, but what a fucking disgrace.

171 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:27:48pm

OR 165,

Yeah, but that was back in the good ole days. Back when Bill Clinton had the whole friggin world spinning like a top!

172 SlimyBill  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:27:57pm

"She just looks like a bag lady."

Bag lady, my eye, I bet that scarf cost $250.

173 NiceLass  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:28:21pm

Her evil hair rays are still showing. I bet she spends a ton of (tax payer) money on her hair coloring.

She's such a hag!

174 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:28:40pm

#161 galloping granny

Syria used to be a very Christian country

As recently as 1980 it was about 12%. Now it's around 4 and dropping. One of those "inconvenient truths" that you don't hear much about.

175 Capt_Faust  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:29:11pm
U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, looks at the tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist inside the historic Ommayad Mosque, during her tour at a popular market in downtown Damascus, Syria, Tuesday April 3


Yet she smiles away...yes don't mind the insult to any who worship Christ or have faith in the Church...just smile and look at the pretty tomb...

idiot...

176 samhein  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:29:33pm

Is she going to convert before she leaves Syria too? Or did she do that before she left the USA?

177 rtheyserius  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:29:48pm

How did St. John the Baptist's head end up in a Mosque?

178 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:29:57pm

OR

CLINK!

179 HDrepub  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:30:03pm

156 realwest 4/03/2007 12:24:00 pm PDT

#123 HDrepub - With all due respect, they do indeed know what they do.

I know. I was just whistling past the graveyard. They know they are undermining GWB's foreign policy at every turn.

180 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:30:14pm

166 jfromfolsomca

Uhh...that's "drivel".

181 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:30:33pm

162 ec marm
OH BOY! That was a good one, ec.

182 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:30:47pm

Nice babushka.

Jehu, play nice.

183 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:30:49pm

I should've made it clear that it was a rhetorical question, with the point of showing that it used to be a Church.

I'm aware of the history.

Or herstory for all you freaks.

184 Durendal  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:31:10pm

hey naso, i was just wondering

how come the middle east hasn't made one contribution to mankind since Mohammed was born? how come Muslims predominantly live in caves and hovels? could it be that Islam is a Satanic Death Cult that glorifies nothing but murder and hatred? if you could clarify that would be great

185 SlimyBill  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:31:14pm

It SEEMS like fealty, but hey: French chicks cover their boobies when they sunbathe in Atlantic City...

186 godfrey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:31:43pm

You can think of no one but Neville Chamberlain, that horse's ass, whom Hitler made such an eternal fool.

187 Prester John  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:31:47pm

No doubt she was crossing herself.

188 Seattle Rep  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:31:50pm

Pelosi in response to wearing a head scarf: 'Oh, this old thing?'
Any Canadians seething at the fact there are maple leaves on the scarf?

189 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:33:16pm

NoSubmission

My mom went a little crazy at Hermes when she was in Fwance... My step-dad almost passed out when he opened the Amex bill. :)

190 snakespit  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:33:43pm

#98 Mad Al-Jaffee,
Please, next time give a warning. I was having a late lunch. I suddenly lost my appetite.

191 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:34:02pm

Look, if the woman wants to take herself out of the game, let her.

192 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:34:52pm
193 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:35:19pm

It's ridiculous that Nancy Pelosi is off purporting to conduct foreign policy on behalf of the US with our enemies. Everyone knows that the sole legitimate foreign relations spokesman for this country is Jesse Jackson.

194 MARedneck  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:35:21pm

I just can't get over how sickening this is.

195 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:35:28pm

#186

French chicks cover their boobies when they sunbathe in Atlantic City...

And gentiles cover their heads in my synagogue. There are bigger things to worry about than her following custom, such as...

WTF is she doing visiting Syria in the first place?

196 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:35:30pm

It debatable whether that tomb really does contain the head of John the Baptist:

Muslim tradition maintains that the head of John the Baptist is interred in the Umayyad Mosque. In later times it was rumored that the Knights Templar also had possession of the head of St John the Baptist. Catholics believe that his head is kept in Rome.

John's right hand, with which he baptised Jesus, is in the possession of the Serbian Orthodox Church in the Cetinje mona

Link

197 SaneInMN  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:35:39pm

139 Naso Tang...

Given the decline of Christianity that has occurred in all of Europe (that includes Italy, Tang), Catholic churches have been largely relegated to "museum status". So, outside of a few high profile masses every year that take place in the Vatican (Midnight Mass, Easter Sunday), tourists make up the majority of church goers in Europe. Oh, were did I get this info you ask? From my brother-in-law, two 1st cousins, and several other friends who LIVED in Europe for at least 4 years. As for the US, were some of us actually attend church because we...gasp!...believe in God, t-shirts and flip flop clad young women are the norm. I observed such fashion in my home church in St. Clairsville, OH, as well as in Rochester MN, St, Paul MN, Wheeling WV, Morgantown WV, and Pittsburgh PA. Who knows Tang, maybe I'm attracted to Catholic churches chock-full of hippees and red-necks.

Oh, BTW...

shrug: Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too, not to mention wear "modest" clothing.

I wonder, Tang...if you were NOT insinuating a comparison between Catholic women and hijab adorned Muslims, what was your intended point? This time, try S P E L L I N G it out for us neanderthals.

198 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:35:49pm

Why didn't she just put on a burka? Wish her face was covered.

This is what I get for sneaking out of the scullery kitchen, while cooking for the second Seder.

Now I will go rinse out my eyes! She is a traitor, so help me.

Cya later! Chag Pesach Sameach to any lizards who are celebrating. Now if we could all be delivered from the 10 plagues Pelosi and the dhimmicrats.

199 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:36:08pm

She's commited treason against our country, pure and simple...

Can you say, photo op with the women in the mosque?

So typical of that faith that the severed head of St. John the Baptist is in a mosque...

200 brent  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:36:40pm

She does look like a baglady.

She could be wearing a mink, a DKNY dress, and a tiara, and she would still look like the woman that stands in front of the bus station watching the smoke from her cigarette reflecting in the bus stop window.

Crazy eyes.

"I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the dog... Get that fork out of my brain. Goose dung, Cheez Whiz, Barbra Streisand!"

Too bad I couldn't vote for her, would have felt good voting against...

201 rockman  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:36:56pm

I've seen entirely too much of her on the news lately, it's like, Pelosi Galore!

202 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:36:57pm

Pelosi: 'Political prisoners? What's that?'

Vendor: 'Here, have some nuts.'

203 The world of fuzziness  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:37:14pm

Nancy Pelosi’s head in schmata:

It is an exemplary portrait of a weak horse (which goes beyond the useful-idiot condition) that will be used as a propaganda piece by the enemies of US to show how America is ready to bend her knees.

It is also an insult to all freedom-loving women around the globe who strive so desperately to be treated like full human beings.

Pelosi - a shameless and clueless Rosie’s twin sistaaa...

204 JerryCanuck  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:37:18pm

Republicans never visited Syria?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704020012

205 tedzilla99  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:37:18pm
#27 Dave the... 4/03/2007 11:46:15 am PDT

I thought I'd never say this (and may regret it), but Hillary Clinton suddenly seems acceptable. Okay, not acceptable, but at least she's enough of a witch that she would not pandor in this way.

You're joking, right? Is this the same Hillary that put on a fake southern accent at a black church last month? Pander and democrat are synonymous.

206 gtiness  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:37:18pm

I would say the message isn't mixed at all. Crystal clear.

207 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:37:26pm

There seems to be some confusion about the tradition of the Catholic and other churches in which women cover their heads for mass, following St. Paul in 1 Corinthians.

There is no moral equivalence here with the Islamic tradition.

The head-covering in the Christian tradition is / was taught to be a sign of respect and modesty specifically in a theological context and that is during the mass. In the Catholic Church it is non-obligatory according to Canon law for women to wear it, even when it was common practice. Muslims, on the contrary, demand (as obligatory, following Hadiths) that even non-Muslim women wear the head-covering outside the home or in the presence of men, which are completely non-religious environments, and thus it is specifically a symbol of women's submission to men in a non-theological context. The Islamic teaching is also that women should be covered to avoid arousing men, which is an entirely demeaning view of women.

The idea that Pelosi wearing the hijab is insignificant because head-covering is in the Christian tradition is therefore ludicrous. Pelosi is consciously or not showing respect for a tradition that is demeaning of women, and, by wearing the hijab, she is also expressing the message of submission to Islam, which is what the Islamic tradition requires of non-Islamic women. It is disgraceful. If she wore it for just for some kind of religious context, I could see an argument being made that she is respecting a religious tradition -- and not the misogynistic Islamic tradition -- but this is not the case at all.

208 godfrey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:37:37pm

naso

The Catholic headcovering is called a "mantilla" and was worn as a historical custom by women in the presence of the Pope. They are also worn by some women in Catholic Churches to signify human humility before God, though this naturally voluntary and the practice of a tiny minority.

Now, please take your glib, thoughtless analogies elsewhere.

209 world b. free  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:38:05pm

This photo shall live in infamy.

210 lurch3249  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:38:40pm

Oh boy, Nancy Pelosi put a scarf on her head. Oh no, now we should all get upset because it looks like someone from the US government might actually respect another culture that some people ignorantly associate with "evil" while conveniently overlooking the stark similarity to whichever flavor Judeo-Christian religion is popular.

Relax. It's a scarf. It's the same thing Thelma and Louise wore. Oh and if you're all upset about Pelosi going there, where's the outrage about Republican representatives Aderholt and Wolf, who were there when she got there?

/tired of manufactured phony outrage

211 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:39:14pm

The question is, How many OTHER heads are in that mosque?

212 godfrey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:40:16pm

How unrelenting and ignorant does your desperation have to be to put on, yourself, the yoke your enemies wish to put upon you, in hopes of persuading them of your "decency"?

How vacant of brain, how void of historical sense, how callous to the weeping families of the slain, to admire the art and culture of those committed to genocide in principle?

How drunk in power, how delusional in hope, how pitiful in strategem?

213 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:40:24pm

loppyd,
One would HAVE to be crazy to go crazy at Hermes. Either that or drive your own Brinks truck.

214 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:40:34pm

Pelosi claims, IIRC, to be a Catholic. I have a funny feeling she doesn't attend church regularly, except during campaign season. (See also Bill Clinton).


Of course, not only does she support abortion rights through the very instant of birth, I strongly suspect, like another supposed Catholic, Jean Francois Qerie, she believes it is such an important right that the taxpayers should pay for it.


IIRC, the bishop in St. Louis said Qerie was not welcome to receive Communion when he was campaigning there. I wish more American bishops would have the courage and ask the more extreme supporters of abortion not to pretend they are Catholic.

215 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:40:49pm

muslim women aren't covered to remind of the presence of G-d.

216 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:40:57pm

I really hope someone in the RNC is hurriedly buying rights to that picture for the 2008 campaign season...

217 cblesz  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:41:11pm

#193-Occasional Reader:
"It's ridiculous that Nancy Pelosi is off purporting to conduct foreign policy on behalf of the US with our enemies. Everyone knows that the sole legitimate foreign relations spokesman for this country is Jesse Jackson."

Still laughing...

218 jfromfolsomca  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:41:45pm

#180 E2M

166 jfromfolsomca

Uhh...that's "drivel".

Actually, I ment dribble - as in a baby or infant sitting there drooling and trying to learn how to communicate. This newby is rude and arrogant and it's attitude pushed my button .

j

219 mrgreen  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:41:48pm

First question... WTH is the head of a Christian icon doing in a mosque?

Oh, and those who think Hillary wouldn't cuddle up so close to tyranny like this... remember the hug for Soha Arafat.

220 Crashnburn  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:42:31pm

"I'll have you know this is an Hermes Scarf, not an attempt to asskiss..."

I wonder how many times she'll wear the rag once she's back in DC?

221 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:42:49pm

#195 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Exactly my point.

222 Maximu§  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:43:27pm

#54 Naso Tang

:shrug: Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too, not to mention wear "modest" clothing.

Go figure.

Well you've made a Fool out of yourself once again. If you don't know WTF your talking about, just ASK and we Catholics would be happy to tell you how we dress for Sunday morning service.

Back to Pelosi, she has made a Fool out of herself also and how she can show her ugly face when she comes back is beyond me.

223 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:43:38pm

I think if someone insisted Nancy Pelosi cover her head during a mass, she'd squall like a scalded cat. We'd have Rosie O'Donnell writing haikus about the misogyny of the Catholic church and the mouth breathers at Huff-n-Puff and Kosstards would be apoplectic.

Wearing a niqab in a Mosque? They see nothing wrong with that.

224 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:43:41pm

NoSubmission

If that is the case then my mom is certifiable. LOL

I did get a lovely plate out of that spree...

225 Windhorse  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:43:49pm

She is an annoying, self serving jerk who doesn't give a crap about anything or anyone beyond herself. Very narcissistic of her... What a load of crap... and the sad part is that there are countless morons out there saying to themselves..."You go girl..."

Puke.

226 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:43:59pm

I think they may be showing off the supposed tomb of JTB's head as a veiled threat.

227 cblesz  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:44:39pm

lurch 3429:

Um, it is a barbaric culture and not a "peaceful" religion. In fact, the Quran wants to KILL ALL NON-BELIEVERS. So yes, it is an "evil" culture that supports terrorists and their "plight" and methods.

So, go f^*k yourself.

228 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:44:49pm

lurch3249

this is your blog?
oh brother.

229 NiceLass  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:45:05pm

#210 Lurch

Relax. It's a scarf. It's the same thing Thelma and Louise wore.


What an ironic comparison! Although I bet you don't get it.

230 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:45:09pm

#219 Mr. Green

That "mosque" probably was a Christian church in the not too distant past.

231 godfrey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:47:30pm

FWIW, the wikipedia entry says the head of John the Baptist is there "according to Muslim tradition." They found it when they were excavating prior to construction. link In other words, it is far more likely the head of the Baptist is somewhere else.

232 code red 21  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:47:34pm

Someone might have already said this in previous comments, I haven't read them yet, but the scarf isn't covering enough. This POS ought to be in a burka so she'll know how it feels when the muslims take-over do to her stupidity.

233 shibumi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:48:20pm

Although it is tradition for women to cover their head when visiting a mosque, I don't necessarily know that it will viewed simply as an American following local custom. Instead, it could very well be seen as more of a political move, as the very potent image of an American politician bowing to Islam. At least, that's how the Muslim media might spin it.

234 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:48:53pm

So we Catholics require women to wear head scarves, though none do, while nowhere in the koran does it say that women must waer them, yet they all do?

In the words of Ray Davies "It's a mixed-up, run amok, shook-up world,..."

235 soccerdad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:49:07pm

OK -- question...

tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist inside the historic Ommayad Mosque

Why the heck is John's head in a friggin mosque? I know that Herod's daughter Salome requested his head as reward for a dance...

But how did it end up in the mosque?

236 Austin Conservative  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:49:32pm

What a stupid broad! Taking a fricking vacation on our dime while trying to play Jessee Jackson.

I hope she enjoys her 2 years of fame. Wait till her constituents on Poke Street in the Castro District get tired of being harassed by bearded muslims with diapers on their heads.

237 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:49:48pm
#210 lurch3249 4/03/2007 12:38:40 pm if you're all upset about Pelosi going there, where's the outrage about Republican representatives Aderholt and Wolf, who were there when she got there?

/tired of manufactured phony outrage

Lurch, dear - Representatives Aderholt & Wolf, whichever fine state they may call home, are somewhere down towards the bottom of the barrel in the line-up to replace POTUS is the even of a national disaster. Pelosi had gone there specifically and entirely to conduct diplomacy that she is not authorized to conduct in an effort to undermine the sitting President of the United States.

Aderholt & Wolf are merely stupid tools. Pelosi is a lawbreaker and a traitor.

238 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:50:08pm

Apparently the Muslims destroyed the Byzantine church on that site in the 8th century

239 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:50:17pm
240 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:50:45pm

Was there an open registration recently?

It's troll central in here.

241 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:51:16pm

From what I understand, Congress people can travel around the world, sort of fact finding, supposedly.


There is a difference, however, in meeting with the leaders of de facto enemy states. While actively working to undermine the policy of the President, while the de facto enemy supports the combatants opposed to US troops in the country next door.


So, ok, if she wants to go native and wear a symbol of female subugation while in Syria, that is swell, I guess, but she is their to oppose the President of her own country.

242 neocon hippie  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:51:23pm

#153 JWF

Bad link

243 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:51:40pm

I think I missed the letter 'j' in a word above.

244 incommunicado  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:52:01pm

Ugh. I don't care what she's wearing. She should not be there at all -- surrounded by men wearing s#!t-eating grins

245 pat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:52:03pm

What a whore. And the Republicans with her are her pimps.

246 Greg  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:52:04pm

How would you like to wake up to that face in the morning?

Nancy is a dhimmi!
Nancy is a dhimmi!
Nancy is a dhimmi!

247 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:52:52pm

#220 Crashnburn

I wonder how many times she'll wear the rag once she's back in DC?

She'll easily get $250,000 for it on ebay.

248 galloping granny  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:53:14pm
#240 loppyd 4/03/2007 12:50:45 pm PDT

Was there an open registration recently?

It's troll central in here.

We collected a bunch of them about two weeks ago.

249 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:53:16pm

#210 lurch3249

if you're all upset about Pelosi going there, where's the outrage about Republican representatives Aderholt and Wolf, who were there when she got there?

/tired of manufactured phony outrage

The "delegation" you speak of was not there to try to undermine US foreign policy as Pelosi is so obviously trying to do.

250 R2D2  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:53:36pm

OT

British banks start new service - sharia accounts:

[Link: www.upi.com...]

251 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:53:56pm

From the Wikipedia article on the Umayyad Mosque

"Initially, the Muslim conquest of Damascus in 636 did not affect the church, as the building was shared by Muslim and Christian worshippers. It remained a church although the Muslims built a mud brick structure against the southern wall so that they could pray. Under the Umayyad caliph Al-Walid I, however, the church was demolished and between 706 and 715 the current mosque built in its place."

The result of "peaceful coexistence" then and now...

252 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:54:01pm

Sen. Pelosi, Nancy (Dhim-Cal)

The rulers of the Arab countries can be divided into 3 groups: the reformers, the reactionaries, and the largest group, the fence-sitters. By visiting the leading reactionary state, Pelosi has enhanced Syrian influence, undercut the reformers and let the fence-sitters know which side is safest.

253 NiceLass  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:54:19pm

I still think we'll see liberal women start wearing headscarves and calling it "fashion" very soon. IIRC we've already started seeing them on the runways.

And the burka makes a great cover for criminal activity, so I'm sure the libs will enjoy that as well.

254 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:54:19pm

galloping granny

It's knee deep in here!

255 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:55:04pm

#231 godfrey

The key point being that there used to be (among other things) a church there. Note the "used to be" part.

256 USA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:55:09pm

Symbol-rich environment:

Ms. Nancy seen smiling over the head of John the Baptist.
Does she smile because she knows another cheap dancer, Salome got her head? We all know who's head Ms. Nancy wants served on a silver platter.

Salome danced for the head to please her mother, Herodias, who wanted revenge on John the Baptist. Who is the "mother" Ms. Nancy dances for?

Do I have my history right? Do I have my democratic politics right?

257 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:55:41pm

Republicans that are with her are traitors too... Doesn't freakin matter to me...

What is alarming and siturbing and will play out across the Arab world is that the US Speaker of the House, number 2 in the line of succession, is having discussions with foreign enemy governments that the Administration won't even give the time of day to...

258 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:56:25pm

With due respect to Charles, the head of John the Baptist in an ancient mosque is no more "quaint" or unusual than any one of the dozens of severed limbs, bloody rags, or other "holy relics" found throughout Christian churches of Western Europe and parts of the Middle East. John the Baptist is also a highly regarded prophet in Islam, as well as the Bahai faith and Mandaeism, in which John the Baptist is actually considered the greatest of all prophets, even above Jesus.

259 lurch3249  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:56:32pm

@227 cblesz:

No, it is very, very similar to Christianity. I've read the Quran, and I've been friends with a few Muslims from Bosnia - and you know what's funny? It's not a conspiracy to take over the world, it's a religion just like yours. They don't like the fact that a minority of people are bastardizing select parts of their beliefs for violence - both the terrorists attempting to legitimize their hate, or people here, attempting to legitimize hate. And what could they do? You know as well as I do that a Muslim who speaks out against terrorism will be struck down just the same.

260 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:57:02pm

Re #207 Given that Pelosi was visiting a mosque, I retract my criticism of her wearing the veil in that context. Have to stay honest, here, and I hadn't read that she went into the religious site. However, the suggestion that the Christian traditions and the Islamic traditions are parallel on this issue of covering women is still false, needless to day.

261 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:57:52pm

#240 loppyd

It's troll central in here.

Spring break.

262 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:58:51pm

It boils down to this; Pelosi wouldn't have made it into the mosque without a headscarf, at least not without a beating.

263 Maximu§  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 12:59:20pm

#210 lurch3249

Has your Marijuana perscription run dry? We're at war with Islam...FOOL!

President Bush asked her not to go and she did. She basically spits in the face of our military by going there. As she walks that dirty Mosque, our boys are shooting it out with Syrian armed militia's.

Now get the f**k outta here...you remind me of a little Chihuahua that barks at the big dogs.

264 world b. free  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:00:09pm

Hot Air linked this just recently...Pelosi making the sign of the cross?

265 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:00:13pm

#231 godfrey:

In other words, it is far more likely the head of the Baptist is somewhere else.

... and what the hell are you looking at ME for?! I had nothing to do with it.

And even if I did, the bitch set me up*.

___
*in the immortal words of Marion Barry

266 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:00:24pm

I know that the Christian commander at Lepanto cut the head off of the muslim admiral, but who knows what happened to it? It's probably behind some folding chairs in a Church basement somewhere...

267 rcris5  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:00:26pm

Bushka. Bet the Chinless-one is all woody over this babe.

268 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:00:30pm

#259 lurch3249

No, it is very, very similar to Christianity. I've read the Quran, and I've been friends with a few Muslims from Bosnia - and you know what's funny?

You.
Yer fucking hysterical,

and a theologian too!

Why don't you tell me
specifically
exactly how Christianity
is very similar to Islam.

269 crashnburn  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:00:35pm

Lurch (#210), By your measure of "respecting other cultures", shouldn't every illegal alien "guest worker" in the good ol' USA speak ENGLISH? Or perhaps at least ASK TO BE HERE? Or to flip your scarf arguement, dress like an American in America rather than a camel train refugee at the mall?

Regardless, we're all adults here. Well, mostly. Speaker Pelosi should feel welcome to dress how she feels is appropriate. I would have preferred that she show the local Syrian (and Middle East since this trip was likely carried on all the local news outlets) women that it isn't the end of the world if a woman shows her head of hair off in public, but she didn't. Oh well.

For the record, Rep. Wolf et al were not third in line for the Presidency of the United States and would not be viewed as potential State Department negotiators by the local media or dictatorships. Therefore, a Kucinich (D) or Wolf (R) can "fact find" without raising potential such flags. Other than the potential waste of taxpayer money these trips entail, of course.

270 Catttt  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:00:39pm

If I ever find myself in a situation where someone wants me to cover my head, I'm wearing a watch cap; it that isn't sufficient, then I'm wearing a ski mask, and they can bite me if they don't like it.

I don't scarf.

When I was a kid, I wore little lace doohickeys to Mass (and a Kleenex pinned to my hair when I forgot the lace thingy), but that was then. This is now.

Also, the colors are ok for her, but Speaker Pelosi would look better in a solid color. Not that it matters.

271 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:00:45pm

#259 lurch3249

I've read the Quran, and I've been friends with a few Muslims from Bosnia

I've stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. Pw3ned ya.

272 Paul  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:00:54pm

I have no problem with Pelosi covering her head in a mosque. I do have a problem with Pelosi and her fellow Congresspeople (including Republicans) visiting Syria and kowtowing to a political gangster.

273 cblesz  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:01:33pm

lurch3249:

Say all you want. They will not stop until we are all dead and there is a flag of Islam flying over the White House. A minority? I think not. It appears like a majority to me. And nowhere in my Holy book (one of which you assume) does it say to KILL THE NON-BELIEVERS. So, religion of peace, my ass. That was a real convincing argument..."I have a friend who is Muslim"...good for you. So that means his/your interpretation of the Quran speaks for all Muslims?

274 rtheyserius  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:01:41pm
#210 lurch3249 ...the stark similarity to... Judeo-Christian religion

You mean like all the Jews and Christians who, around the world, are setting off bombs specifically designed and intended to kill innocent civilians, flying planes into buildings, cutting off people's heads and distributing videos of it on the internet? Those similarities?

I admit my ignorance, lurch. I haven't been hearing about all those stories. No doubt, you mean some kind of moral equivalent, or reference to the Spanish Inquisition or something.

275 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:02:07pm

#259 lurch:

it's a religion just like yours

vs.

You know as well as I do that a Muslim who speaks out against terrorism will be struck down just the same.

Please reconcile those two thoughts. Good luck! And thanks in advance.

276 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:02:18pm

#264 world b. Free

Hot Air linked this just recently...Pelosi making the sign of the cross?

Nahh, couldn't be. She woulda burst into flame and then vanished in a puff of ash with a soul-chilling scream.

277 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:02:47pm

#263 Maximu§

It ain't the weed.

But just to be sure...

BONGTWA!
ALL YOU BONG ARE BELONG TO US.
~ The Ganjahadeen

278 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:03:03pm
279 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:03:04pm

Charles - I think #228 No Sub is right, check out the blog... just sayin...

280 godfrey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:03:33pm

lurch

You know as well as I do that a Muslim who speaks out against terrorism will be struck down just the same.

Yes, just like those Papal rottweilers, the Jesuits, routinely liquidate Protestant resistance in the Bible Belt here in the US.

/rolls eyes

281 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:03:36pm

#271 E2M:

heh... should I inform our guest that I've seen Lawrence of Arabia, like, five times? Or would that be unseemly?

282 Wessam  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:03:40pm

Holy crap! I don't even know where to begin. So, in no particular order...

She needs to be locked in a small room until someone on her staff has read and understood Islamic Imperialism by Efraim Karsh.

Is she in the midst of making the sign of the cross as she stands there in front of the Shrine of St. John the Baptist? The jihadis will have a field day with this. The Speaker has just made herself an official Enemy of Islam™ by trying to naively pay her respects. Apologies will not be accepted (but they may be demanded of her all the same).

Next time she goes to Damascus she should remember to bring a sword, and be sure to return with the head of Assad, which could then be given a place of honor in a little box in a closet near the Capital Rotunda. That would be a gesture sure to be understood by all.

And then there's the matter of the Ummayads. The Speaker wishes for the US to reach out and engage Iran in dialog? She is evidently unaware that Yazid, son of Mu'awiya ibn Abi Sufian (the founder of the Ummayad dynasty), killed Hussein, son of Imam Ali and penultimate martyr of Shiism. Apologies will not be accepted (but they may be demanded of her all the same).

This is the Middle East. History matters. Symbols matter. Anyone failing to grasp those basic concepts is invited to stay home.

283 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:03:53pm

Since we have so many trolls here...

Think about this: your hemp grew from CO2. Do you really want to do this carbon cap thing, when you stop and think that that hemp that you're smoking came out of the tailpipe of my truck?

284 godfrey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:04:49pm

265 OR

ROFLMAO

285 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:04:59pm

lurch,

and I've been friends with a few Muslims from Bosnia

I visited your blog, you hack. Please, do tell, what RACE were these Bosnians? You seem to be stuck on stupid, calling Islam a race. Moron.

286 alegrias  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:05:11pm

Gotta wince when our President puts on host country's silly outfits at summits. What a dumb practice.

Cowboy hats suit my Presidents (Reagan & Bush) just fine;
Lincoln's top hat;
Washington's tricornered hat;
Churchill's bowler and FDR's fedora.

But as for the Losers:
Dukakis wearing an Army helmet;
Kerry wearing a biological lab sterile hoodie;
Pelosi going hijabi...

bwahaha

287 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:05:30pm

OT, but I had to get away from indentured servitude for a few minutes:

"The Two-Minute Haggadah"

Opening prayers rapidly :

Thank G~d for creating wine. (Drink wine.)
Thanks for creating produce. (Eat parsley.)
Dip the egg ( remove shell first )

Overview: Once we were slaves in Egypt. Now we're free.
That's why we're doing this.

Four questions:
1. What's up with the matzah?
2. What's the deal with horseradish?
3. What's with the dipping of the herbs?
4. What's this whole slouching at the table business?

Answers:
1. When we left Egypt, we were in a hurry. There was
no time for making decent bread.
2. Life was bitter, like horseradish.
3. It's called symbolism.
4. Hungry people get to slouch.

Now tell a funny story:
Once, these five rabbis talked all night, then it was
morning. (Heat soup now.)

The four kinds of children and how to deal with them:
Wise child - explain Passover.
Simple child - explain Passover slowly.
Silent child - explain Passover loudly.
Religious child - have the child explain it to you.

Speaking of children: We hid some matzah. Whoever
finds it gets $4.25.

The story of Passover:

It's a long time ago.

We're slaves in Egypt. Pharaoh is a nightmare. We cry out for help. G~d brings plagues upon the Egyptians. We escape, bake some matzah.
G~d parts the Red Sea. We make it through; the Egyptians aren't so lucky. We wander 40 years in the desert, eat manna, get the Torah, wind up in Israel, get a new temple,enjoy several years without being persecuted again.
(Let brisket and/or turkey cool now.)

The 10 Plagues:

Blood, Frogs, Lice - you can name all the bad stuff before you have dinner...lessens the
appetite.

The singing of "Dayenu":
If G~d had gotten us out of Egypt and not punished our enemies, it would've been enough.

If he'd punished our enemies and not parted the Red Sea, it would've been enough, oh, Dayenu! Dayenu, Dayenu...

If he'd parted the Red Sea - (Remove gefilte fish from refrigerator now.)

Eat more matzah. Take a few more sips of way
too sweet red wine. Slouch.

Again thank G~d for everything

288 snakespit  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:05:52pm

Hey Naso Tang,
It's not easy to get registered at LGF. If you don't change your superiority tone, you'll probably be getting your butt kicked out of here soon. Come down off your pedestal.

289 nobs  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:06:27pm

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

Traitor may also mean a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party, nation, family, friends, ethnic group, religion, social class, or other group to which they may belong. Often, such accusations are controversial and disputed, as the person may not identify with the group of which they are a member, or may otherwise disagree with the group leaders making the charge. See, for example, race traitor.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If the headscarf fits...

290 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:06:58pm

lurch,

and you know what's funny?

You, your blog, and your view on islam.

/pssst, it aint a race.

291 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:07:17pm

From Lurch's website:

WARNING:

This website, living_abomination, contains some pretty rough language.
It contains gratuitous use of foul language, as well as images
that some people may find disturbing. While there is NO
(decent) sexual content, living_abomination was not
intended for kids or consumption by human beings.

If you want to read what an asshole wrote, click Enter.

Real edgy stuff. I'm impress.

292 saylorfam  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:07:22pm

I have no idea even as to how address this. It would be tantamount to a woman of National importance wearing a Kimono in 1942.
I am disheartened and disgusted at the machinations of these people who would sacrifice any integrity and honor to make a political statement or to make the administration look ineffective.
I hope you live long enough to realize to the damage you and your's have done in a veiled attempt to recapture power. Thanks for nothing Nancy!

293 rtheyserius  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:07:29pm
259 -- lurch3249: I've read the Quran... it's a religion just like yours...

Congrats on reading the Koran. Few Westerners do. I've read it several times, in different translations. All I can say is, if you think, after reading the Koran, that Islam is a religion "just like" Christianity or Judaism -- or even Buddhism, Hinduism, Zen or Taoism -- you must have been reading the MoveOn.org Cliff Notes.

294 theheat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:07:41pm

Laura Bush did the same goddamned thing on her trip as a show of respect. But to say anything nasty about LB was nearly blasphemous.

295 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:07:50pm

#274 O.R.

I was just going to say the same thing. Great minds and all that.

296 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:08:01pm

#251 dpatten

This was the same caliph who built the fraudulent Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, destroying Jewish & Christian holy sites.

297 Tricky Dick  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:08:18pm

Now I've seen it all. A liberal from San Francisco supporting a government that puts women in bags and beheads or stones to death homosexuals. Her constituents should be outraged.

298 brent  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:08:56pm

I wonder if she would have respected the culture of the Germans, maybe worn a gold Star of David on her coat?

It's just a star, she's just trying to be respectful of their culture, I mean c'mon...

The scarf is a sign of suppression, has nothing religious about it. What's next, going to Atlanta with a Hermes noose?

Start with that, then add that she's undermining the Commander in Chief while Syria is killing Americans and our allies, and it really starts sounding like a bad idea.

299 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:08:58pm
300 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:09:15pm

#281 Occasional Reader

I think I ate at a Lebanese restaurant a couple times. Or was that Lesbian?

301 rtheyserius  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:09:21pm

#275 Occasional Reader,

Bingo!

302 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:09:29pm
#208 godfrey 4/03/2007 12:37:37 pm PDT

naso

The Catholic headcovering is called a "mantilla" and was worn as a historical custom by women in the presence of the Pope. They are also worn by some women in Catholic Churches to signify human humility before God, though this naturally voluntary and the practice of a tiny minority.

Now, please take your glib, thoughtless analogies elsewhere.

It becomes more and more incredible how many of you really have the brains of lizards, aside from the other more respectful connotation. You obviously haven't travelled much. If you go into major Catholic churches in Europe and in Latin America even, as a tourist, they have available scarves to borrow for women that don't have one and they politely ask for it to used.

It's no wonder the left has such rich pickings here to make their allegations of another sort of extremism. I'm here because I for the most part think Charles is doing a service by shining light on the RoP and its related apologists.

You, and your ditto crowd, on the other hand seem to be here just to swear and jerk off together whenever anyone has a mild disagreement, such as this issue being something of a manufactured incident on a slow attrocity day.

303 Jeff S.  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:09:48pm

No doubt she'll wear a sheitl if she tours a chasidic shul. After all, she is a married woman.

304 crashnburn  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:09:51pm

Earth2moonbat, you think someone would pay $250K for that RAG?!?! LOL It isn't like it would be a Manny Ramierez gas grill or Elvis hair...

At the very least any such sale and purchase would have to be checked out under campaign finance law.

305 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:10:04pm

259 lurch3249

It's not a conspiracy to take over the world, it's a religion just like yours.

NO- it isn't. My religion does not condone wife beating, apostate killing, or slaying of unbelievers.

Condone the silence of the moderates, and nothing will change.

306 AirForceWife  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:10:07pm

How ironic that someone who supposedly believes so strongly in women's rights, is so eager to wear a symbol of submission and inferiority to men, on her way to visit a symbol of Islamic triumph over Christianity.

307 alegrias  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:10:08pm

#27 dave the barb...

Hillary Clinton and her daughter both wore hijab when visiting Pakistan or some other mohammedan countries during Pres. Clinton's administration.

Hillary kissed Suha Arafat, remember, and she was Yasser Arafat's frequest hostess since he was their most frequent overnight guest in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House from 1993-2001 while Al Qaeda grew by leaps and bounds and attacked us yearly somewhere on God's green earth with impunity.

So you might say there have already been hijabbed jihadis in the White House for eight years straight.

308 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:10:24pm

#294 theheat

Laura Bush did not visit Syria.

309 Paul  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:10:32pm

#259 lurch

...it's a religion just like yours

Not really.

310 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:10:43pm
what RACE were these Bosnians?

Bosninians? Bosnoids?

(dammit, must read more Q'u'r'an to get better edumacated)

311 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:11:20pm

An entry for the LGF Bestiary

312 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:11:22pm

Naso tang

Show me a picture of Pelosi in a mantilla...

313 Murqtaad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:11:26pm

From Lurch's blog,

I am a living abomination. I should not be here. The fact that I am here, proves there is no god. I only come out at night. I hate everyone, even myself.

That says it all. SELF LOATHING.

And he comes here to criticize us for telling the truth about islam? Bah. Fuck him.

315 Spiritualized  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:11:35pm

lurch3429

It's not a conspiracy to take over the world, it's a religion just like yours.

Yes you're right! It's exactly like Christianity! Except the bit about worshipping a psychotic, warmongering paedophile thief.

316 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:11:57pm

Mummy Pelosi in all her grandmanure. How deplorable.

317 jwbaumann  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:12:19pm

I've seen that photo before, or at least that elderly woman. Could it be here?

318 Tricky Dick  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:12:56pm
The syrian police look for gays to arrest them

Homosexual behavior in Syria is illegal

.

Good Job Nancy, you freakin idiot!

319 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:12:56pm

OR

Mmmm. Baba ganoush...

320 lurch3249  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:13:03pm

@#275 OccasionalReader

it's a religion just like yours

vs.

You know as well as I do that a Muslim who speaks out against terrorism will be struck down just the same.

--The point being that Islam doesn't cultivate terrorism, a Muslim that speaks out against terrorism and calls them on their extremism is an enemy to them just the same. The terrorists are extremists to the point where even the majority of the people practicing the religion they purport to advocate are their enemies. A lot of people, especially on here claim that Islam is the the threat, when it obviously is not, as the majority of Muslims are also enemies of the terrorists.

321 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:13:17pm

#302 Naso Tang
Liar.
I see you.

322 Radiator251  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:13:42pm

A few decades ago she would have been charged with treason. This is heinous that people are actually commending her visit.

323 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:14:09pm

theheat-

Did Laura Bush meet with President Assad, who is at the very least permitting men and weapons to be smuggled into Iraq to kill Americans, (not to mention supporting hezb'Allah terrorists, who have previously killed Americans) while also spearheading the charge to set a surrender date in Iraq so the jihadis would know just how long they would have to hang on in order to divide Iraq into an Iranian controlled terror supporting Shia section and an al Qaeda supporting Sunni section?

Nope, didn't think so.

324 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:14:37pm

Nasal Twang

You obviously haven't travelled much.

No, but I CAN spell traveled correctly, multi-millionaire DavidJSwartz.

325 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:14:41pm
#288 snakespit 4/03/2007 1:05:52 pm PDT

Hey Naso Tang,
It's not easy to get registered at LGF. If you don't change your superiority tone, you'll probably be getting your butt kicked out of here soon. Come down off your pedestal.

I guess I missed the part in the articles where it said accept obscenity gracefully and try to join in instead; or where it says, never never disagree, just like the Islamists tell each other.

I'm just trying to keep my feet out of the gutter up here. If that constitues banning in this universe so be it, but I won't be the loser.

326 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:14:41pm

302 Naso Tang

If you go into major Catholic churches in Europe and in Latin America even, as a tourist, they have available scarves to borrow for women that don't have one and they politely ask for it to used.

As opposed to the hijab which is manditory, and women refusing to wear it are threatened with violence?

327 snakespit  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:14:48pm

John the Baptist was beheaded during Jesus' ministry by Herod. It was done at the request of a cheap little tit dancer named Salome. Herod had the hots for her. She made the request from Herod after a dance pleased him. She was told by her mother, Herod's wife, to ask for John's head. It was done in Jerusalem, in John's cell, with no pomp or ceremony. I have serious doubts that his head was moved by any Jewish military man to Syria. I think it's a hoax.

328 Buck  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:14:54pm

#275 Occasional Reader

BEST COMMENT EVER! Slam Dunk.

329 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:15:15pm

#259 lurch3249

I've read the Quran, and I've been friends with a few Muslims from Bosnia

Hell, I don't believe that all Muslims are evil by a long shot. They can make of their religion whatever they want. But there is just no blurring over the fact that the Qur'an, literally, makes violent jihad against the non-believers a basic theological principle.

That's the core problem: the Islamic texts support the interpretation of Bin Laden and Wahabbism, much more than Sufism or some other softened interpretation.

Confer 47:4, for example: "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly."

Citing this kind of thing is not to cherry-pick violent quotes out of context; over 100 passages explicitly call for violence against non-believers, see for example 9:5 in which they are offered three choices: conversion, subjugation or death.

Lastly, the idea that Christ's teachings and moral example are equivalent to Mohammed, literally a genocidal warlord, is total, illiterate nonsense.

330 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:15:25pm

To be honest, I don't have a problem with Nancy Pelosi wearing a scarf while inside of a mosque.

My problem is with Nancy Pelosi being inside of Syria.

331 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:15:33pm

I say again Naso Tang: Pics of Nancy Pelosi in a mantilla... Show me.

332 -Mozart-  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:16:04pm

My me-maw used to wear a scarf just like that - after she had her hair set.

333 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:16:12pm

#310 Occasional Reader

what RACE were these Bosnians?

Bosninians? Bosnoids?

Bozos?

334 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:16:49pm
#326 Sharmuta 4/03/2007 1:14:41 pm PDT

As opposed to the hijab which is manditory, and women refusing to wear it are threatened with violence?

That's true, but not the issue here. You are manufacturing indignation again.

335 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:16:51pm
336 Rides a Pale Horse  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:16:56pm
The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994.[1]

Paleolosi in traditional pisslam headwear?

Told ya so

Arrest, impeach, and try ALL of that traitorous bunch as soon as they land back on AMERICAN soil

337 Rookie  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:17:23pm

# lurch3249

How can you type on your computer with your head so deep inside your ass? Also, what kind of abomination are you, that can you fit a koran inside your ass, so you were able to read it?

muslims speaking against terrorism? They claim to be 1.2 billion muslims. Make a list with 100 names of muslims speaking against terrorism. If you manage to do it, then delete those who are lying.

P.S. The auto-spelling feature should not mark muslim and islam as being wrongly spelled with small letters. Quite the contrary.

338 loppyd  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:17:41pm

Later, Lizards.

I'm off to do all the things I would be forbidden to do under sharia law.

BWAAAHAHAHAHA

See you Mañana!

339 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:17:44pm

I see we've picked up quite a troll infestation, and some appear to be begging for the stick.

340 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:18:12pm

C'mon Naso tang, I'll take any post-Vatican II shots of Nancy Pelosi in a Mantilla.

341 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:18:36pm

#334 Naso Tang

That's true, but not the issue here.

Actually- it IS the issue here.

342 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:18:45pm
#330 Ringo the Gringo 4/03/2007 1:15:25 pm PDT

To be honest, I don't have a problem with Nancy Pelosi wearing a scarf while inside of a mosque.

My problem is with Nancy Pelosi being inside of Syria.

Glad to see a sensible comment. I was beginning to despair.

343 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:18:56pm

#324 ec marm

Uh-oh. The Schwartz is with us? Do I need to see a dermatologist?

344 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:19:40pm

Nasal Twang
I just checked - apparently "travelled" is correct - as a British spelling. Shouldn't you be busy pestering the Iranians or surrendering to them or something?

345 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:19:49pm

#259 lurch3249

No, it is very, very similar to Christianity. I've read the Quran,...(blah, blah, blah)

Of course the Quran is similar, Mohammad plagiarized the Bible. The only original parts are the many verses about beheading the unbelievers and killing everybody who gets in his way.

346 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:19:53pm

#325 Naso Tang
LIAR!

I know what drew you out of the woodwork.
And you know I know it.

347 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:20:28pm

Cheer up, folks! January 2009 is not that far away! This is just a little taste for all decent Americans who voted for Democrats because they honestly thought they were better than Bush at protecting the country. Well, what do you think now? The Great 2008 Reversal is on the way.

348 crashnburn  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:21:15pm

theheat (#294) Not blasphemous at all. I agree Mrs. Bush should not have worn the scarf either. Her example, had she done so and if broadcast, could potentially help to start to reset the tone of the male-female conversation in Islam and perhaps move these folks towards the fiftenth century or so...

Regardless, Mrs. Bush wasn't over there pandering to the dictator that is helping supply the "insurgents" (Both figuratively and literally) in Iraq or bankrolling Hezbollah or doing so against the insistence of her President.

349 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:21:37pm

#324 ec marm

Actually, I'm thinking JustMySchwartz.

350 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:22:01pm
#340 dpatten 4/03/2007 1:18:12 pm PDT

C'mon Naso tang, I'll take any post-Vatican II shots of Nancy Pelosi in a Mantilla.

Here we go again. Manufacturing a question that has no relationship to anything. What makes you think there is such a picture anywhere? Why do you ask me?

351 Buck  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:22:20pm

#320 lurch3249

You don't get it. It is not a religion like ours. It is different.
It seems to have a greater number (percentage) of people who think it is ok to "strike down" the people who disagree with the idea that Islam is superior to all other religions. There is no other religion that seems to govern, and restricts all other religions. Go to any country in the world and carry the Koran. You will not be molested at the border by government agents anywhere in the world. However stopping copies of the bible is governement policy in many Arab and Muslim countries.

All other religions seperate "church and state". Only Islam can't.

352 alegrias  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:22:31pm

Awww, it reminds me of--when in Hanoi, do as the VietCong Jane Fonda did, donning the Viet Cong helmet

Will Nancy lob Iranian-made IEDs into Iraq while wearing hijab to please her Baathist-sympathizing hosts?

Stay tuned for another installment of As the QUAGMIRE Turns!

Where'd the 1960s go?

353 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:23:06pm

#338 loppyd

I'm off to do all the things I would be forbidden to do under sharia law.

Driving home, eh?

354 godfrey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:23:12pm

Which staffer told her "autumn leaves" on her hijab was the proper symbolism for a representative of our American Congress?

355 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:23:29pm
356 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:24:15pm

#327 snakespit

The Ommayad Mosque was built over an existing Christian Church. I believe the relic was part of the original church collection.

357 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:24:26pm

#302 Naso:

You obviously haven't travelled much. If you go into major Catholic churches in Europe and in Latin America even, as a tourist, they have available scarves to borrow for women that don't have one and they politely ask for it to used.

I have never heard this demand made, ever, at any church in Latin America or Europe. Ever. Not at St. Peter's Basilica, Chartres, Il Duomo, the cathedrals of Mexico City, Lima, Quito, you name it... never.

Your arrogance is matched by your ignorance.

358 religion of bacon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:25:07pm

#352 alegrias

Nancy Pelosi is no Barbarella.

359 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:25:07pm

Islam doesn't promote terrorism?


Sura 8

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."


That is freakin peaceful, ain't it.

360 stanψ  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:25:26pm

lurch3249
ψ I love your blog! Keep up the good work ψ

361 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:26:16pm

Naso Tang

Explain why you keep harping on mantillas when they aren't mandatory in ANY Catholic churches? Hijabs are mandatory in mosques. Its apples and oranges.

If It's perfectly fair for Nancy Pelosi to "Respect the Customs" in Syria then why hasn't she done that for conservative religious types here?

And that's the root of the anger. Pelosi's hypocrisy. She certainly wouldn't cover her head in a Cathedral in the US.

Simply put, she's a dhimmi.

362 alegrias  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:26:19pm

#355 Babba Zee

Yasser, Nasser al Twang! (and Good Passover, Babba)

363 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:26:22pm

351 Buck
No point at all in reasoning with a person who writes things like this in their blog.

364 Hellfire  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:26:53pm

Ok, i'll ruin frosty the snowman one more time-

Nancy the dhimmi, was a crappy crappy soul
with mohamed's pipe in her botox nose
and 2 eyes like salad bowls

Nancy the dhimmi, was as blind as she could be
and the muslims say "we can hack and slay",
and she'll kneel for you and me

There must have been some magic in that old hijab be found
'cause when she placed it on her head, the [bigoted word]s danced around.

nancy the dhimmi was as dumb as she could be
and mullahs say "let the west decay" she's a tool for you and me


humpity hump hump humpity hump hump look at nancy go
humpity hump hump humpity hump hump spread those legs for mo

eh whatever

365 IrishEi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:27:13pm

Pelosi IS making the sign of the cross! Check out the series of photos at AP--# 18 and #28 specifically.

Muslims believe that John the Baptist was a prophet too. They also think they have his head in that mosque. There are several JtB heads floating around the world--lots of people think they have the real head.

But my thing is---she's making the sign of the cross!---in a mosque! They wouldn't even allow the Pope to pray in a mosque!

I think we're gonna hafta find a place to put Pelosi's head soon. Any takers? Church of Librulism got any room?

366 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:27:22pm

Naso Tang-

The issue here is Nancy donning an islamic symbol of misogyny. Equating the Mantilla with the hijab is moral relativism.

367 TalkinKamel  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:27:36pm

Hiya, Nasal Twang, David (mulit-gazillionaire) Schwartz, MikeL, Octopus, whatever you're calling yourself at the moment!

368 raven1  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:27:38pm

Pelosi; I dub thee: Scarface.

369 jehu[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:27:59pm
370 cblesz  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:28:27pm

Wonder what Ann Coulter has to say?

371 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:29:01pm

#349 Earth2moonbat

Actually, I'm thinking JustMySchwartz.

*laughs* That would be a good sock puppet name.

372 TalkinKamel  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:29:04pm

Good Passover, BabbaZee! Chag Sameach!

373 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:29:20pm
#346 BabbaZee 4/03/2007 1:19:53 pm PDT

#325 Naso Tang
LIAR!

I know what drew you out of the woodwork.
And you know I know it.

Actually you have me at a disadvantage, since I don't know, and I still haven't read a coherent sentence posted by you.

Were you the one a while ago who blamed Naziism on Darwin? That I thought was really funny. Perhaps not, but you do remind me of that guy at parties who always tries to impress others by wearing the lampshade.

Actually it's getting tiresome.

374 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:29:32pm
U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, looks at the tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist inside the historic Ommayad Mosque, during her tour at a popular market in downtown Damascus, Syria, Tuesday April 3, 2007. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

I don't know what Nancy Pelosi could possibly be thinking while in front of "the tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist", other than,

"if he'd have only been more tolerant, and just gave in to his enemies, he may have been spared"

Actually, the Democrat party, and Herod, have much in common, literally.

Nancy Pelosi's religion, is leftism, it always has been, and always will be, first, and foremost, above everything.

She is a joke, and even more so, as a public servant.

375 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:30:13pm

C'mon Naso Tang,

ANY picture of Nancy Pelosi deferring to a western religiously conservative religion. How about a pic of her sitting with Hadassah Liebermen in the women's section of the synagogue.

376 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:30:15pm
Your arrogance is matched by your ignorance.

Has DavidJSchwartz returned?

377 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:30:22pm
/tired of manufactured phony outrage


...uh.. kind of like what's in your putrid 'blog'?

378 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:30:29pm

363 NoSubmission
Exactly.

You don't reason people out of what they did not reason themselves into to begin with, you don't feed dogs from your table, and you don't cast pearls before swine.

Ya don't spit in the wind, either. ;~}

379 alegrias  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:30:37pm

#358 religion of bacon
Nancy Pelosi is no Barbarella.

You're right, she looks more like Queen Elizabeth while on vacation in Scotland wearing her Hermes scarves & tweed outfits, only Pelosi wears ARMANI.

Pelosi's a fashion-forward hijab-wearing DhjimmyCarter-crat bowing and scraping to those killing US troops right under her nose using Iranian made IEDs.

380 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:31:21pm

I wonder if Ms. Pelosi took the time to ask her grinning tour guides what they think should be done to her many thousands of homosexual constituants?

Their answer might wipe that smirk off of her smug mug.

381 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:31:24pm

#373 Naso Tang
Bet yer ass your tired.

382 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:31:34pm

#376 Dirk Diggler

Sounds a little more to me like JustMySchwartz.

383 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:32:18pm

#363 No Submission

Ugh. I've got to start listening to that little voice in the back of my head - "Don't read the moonbat's blog!"

384 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:32:34pm

#373 Naso Tang


Were you the one a while ago who blamed Naziism on Darwin?

No.
LIAR.

385 USA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:34:31pm

WaPo reports that Scarface aka Pelosi made the sign of the cross in the mosque.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Let's see how the Religion of Peace reacts to this bit o' news...

386 phoenixgirl  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:34:46pm

#OR

the veil was required in Europe in order to enter a church or attend Mass. This was well after Vatican 2. Now it is optional and older latin and european women still adhere to the custom. My grandmothers, never went to Mass without one. Never. One died in 1992 at the age of 93. Both were buried in them. I attended the school with Nancy's daughters. In the seventies, the school I attended required us to put one on before entering the chapel for Mass. Nancy has no business in Syria, but since she is there, and in a holy place, it is not unreasonable for her to cover her head. The creepy thing is that she is smiling in front of the tomb of the head of St. John the Baptist. I would expect a little more solemnity.

387 BuddyG  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:35:14pm

Nancy P.
So Tolerant, She Tolerates Intolerance

388 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:35:17pm

Charles! Here is one sorry-assed jerk just begging for the Righteous Stick of Doom.

lurch3249, from his very own website, which he was so kind to link to,

1,2,3,4 I Declare a Lizard War!
Filed under: People are Fucking Stupid, Our Government is a Joke, Stuff that Sucks — Living_Abomination | February 28, 2007 @ 2:19 am (Views: 27)
This retarded “wingnut” bullshit has gone way too far. You rightwing assholes are getting out of hand. You douchebags have got to go. I’m talking to you Charles “fucker” Johnson, and your minions you feed on your shitty website (the only thing poorer than the site content is the site design). Chuck, I understand - you have an ego matched only by your ignorance, so it makes sense that you would love having your own little army of drones.

I suspect lurch's intentions are less than honourable.

389 jehu[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:36:33pm
390 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:36:49pm

"JustMySchwartz" - what a riot!

However, 'with great power comes great responsibility' - Uncle Ben Kenobi.

391 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:37:05pm

Naso Tang-

I have not called you any names, and I am posting to you on topic- Pelosi in a Hijab. If you wish to derail this thread with moral relativism, and accuse other posts of mock outrage, then it should be clear to all posters that you are not a worthy opponent for debate.

392 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:37:06pm

So, Naso Tang, are you ready to admit you were full of shit when you said "women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too"? Are you ready to admit that you were ignorantly citing an old custom that has largely fallen into disuse? Are you willing to admit that despite your knee-jerk reaction of "if you had travelled as I have, you would know that women are required to cover their heads in Catholic churches in Latin America and Europe", that statement is just plain wrong?

Mmmm?

393 wrecktafire  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:37:13pm

...

394 phoenixgirl  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:37:13pm

#357 OR

I forgot the # in my post #386 sorry!

395 IrishEi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:37:42pm

#388
Great catch!

Hey Lurch! See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!

396 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:38:35pm

#385 USA

WaPo reports that Scarface aka Pelosi made the sign of the cross in the mosque.

ROFL!

What a complete phoney.

This is the first that I've ever heard, or read, where a follower of the religion of leftism, would make the sign of the cross.

397 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:38:36pm

#388 Kenneth

Charles! Here is one sorry-assed jerk just begging for the Righteous Stick of Doom


I second that motion. I'll refrain from pulling quotes from his sewer.

398 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:39:29pm

#386 phoenix:

Now it is optional and older latin and european women still adhere to the custom.

No one is disputing that. But Naso Tang is insisting that it's required. And (s)he is wrong.

399 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:39:33pm

OK, Lurch hates LGF and curses Charles Johnson.


But since Nodrog has made itself scarce, we need one truly stupid troll to use as a piñata, don't we?

400 religion of bacon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:40:51pm

I misread it and thought it was "JustifyMySchwartz," sort of a Madonna wordplay.

I suggest "Nacho Wang."

401 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:40:53pm
#361 dpatten 4/03/2007 1:26:16 pm PDT

Naso Tang

Explain why you keep harping on mantillas when they aren't mandatory in ANY Catholic churches? Hijabs are mandatory in mosques. Its apples and oranges.

If It's perfectly fair for Nancy Pelosi to "Respect the Customs" in Syria then why hasn't she done that for conservative religious types here?

And that's the root of the anger. Pelosi's hypocrisy. She certainly wouldn't cover her head in a Cathedral in the US.

Simply put, she's a dhimmi.

Actually I have explained, multiple times, but since you ask relatively politely, except for the harping bit, I have never even used the word Mantilla, nor for that matter Hijab, in this "conversation". The issue is a simple headscarf, and yes it is mandatory in some parts of the Catholic world. Ignore the custom and all that is likely is that one is considered a rude boor, and American too boot. A lot of good that does anything.

We agree that she shouldn't be in Syria, but are you suggesting that she shouldn't cover her head if she visited the Pope in St Peters'?

402 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:43:17pm

#388 Kenneth

Thank you for wading in there and finding that. After this last opening of the gates, we have a need for many gallons of Troll-B-Gone™.

403 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:43:46pm

Nasal Al-Twang was roused from his slumber by a post of mine that read

FUCK YOU AL IHKWAN

look at his football and note carefully where he shows up, how, when, and why

He has yet to deny any of my accusations

Dissemble all you want...
I see you.

404 religion of bacon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:44:01pm

The only reason the Pope would meet her would be to perform an exorcism.

405 IrishEi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:44:32pm

#385 USA

See my 365. My thoughts exactly.

406 USA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:44:54pm

Naso Fang

Give it a rest.

407 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:44:56pm

Nasal Tang

Ignore the custom and all that is likely is that one is considered a rude boor, and American too boot.

..and what does that supposed to mean exactly?

408 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:45:03pm

Pelosi was raised Catholic, IIRC.


She might believe in the John Kerry version of Jesus, where the only immorality is that some people have more money than others. Not their money, of course, Pelosi and Kerry and Kennedy are somehow entitled to their wealth. But that the others who work for their money be compelled by the government to share with the poor.


Of course, Jesus was all about sharing with the poor and helping the less fortunate. But I can't recall the Gospel where he preached the Romans should seize everyone's wealth and than equitably redistribute it.

409 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:45:04pm

#386 phoenixgirl

The creepy thing is that she is smiling in front of the tomb of the head of St. John the Baptist. I would expect a little more solemnity.

I think it's involuntary, from all the facelifts.

Seriously, I wish that John the Baptist's head wasn't there.

410 akak  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:45:52pm
#111 akak

Was the cargo take down in Somalia?

Nothing on the Aviation Safety Network site today

fook should've linked it then when I saw it...just more AlQaeda hitting cargo...easy targets>as we posited

411 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:46:20pm

#400 R.O.B.

If it's "Nacho Wang", them who's wang is it?
/couldn't resist

412 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:46:32pm

Someone else may have brought this up, but just in case, is it just me or does it look like she's finishing up making the sign of the cross in the bottom picture?

413 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:47:13pm
#391 Sharmuta 4/03/2007 1:37:05 pm PDT

Naso Tang-

I have not called you any names, and I am posting to you on topic- Pelosi in a Hijab. If you wish to derail this thread with moral relativism, and accuse other posts of mock outrage, then it should be clear to all posters that you are not a worthy opponent for debate.

I don't know what you want to debate. The issue of scarves for women in Catholic cathedrals, or the hijab issue? I haven't mentioned hijabs so it must be the former. My wife and I saw this in Peru and she wore the scarf rather than seem a rude bore as is advocated by some. We have done the same in Europe. How this can be such a bone of contention and hate from some I don't understand, but it sure doesn't seem healthy to me.

So, what was it we were debating?

414 Odinist  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:47:17pm

I don't care if she wears a scarf, hijab, or burquini- we already know where her loyalties are...

What really pisses me off is that our American tax dollars are paying for yet another Congressional 'fact finding' vacation... I thought we had ambassadors in these countries to let the Congress/POTUS know what is going on there? Am I wrong on this?

415 raven1  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:47:24pm

Maybe I should have dubbed her scarf-face instead of scarface? I think both versions are good.

416 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:47:40pm

#401 Tang:

and yes it is mandatory in some parts of the Catholic world

"Some parts"? A few minutes ago, you were maintaining that a headscarf is mandatory in Catholic churches in "Europe and Latin America". And now you're backpeddling to "some parts"?

(Hint: it is still customary... but not required... in the eastern Catholic churches; that's the best you can do, World-Traveling champ.)

417 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:48:05pm

#388 Kenneth

lurch3249, from his very own website, which he was so kind to link to,

1,2,3,4 I Declare a Lizard War!
Filed under: People are Fucking Stupid, Our Government is a Joke, Stuff that Sucks — Living_Abomination | February 28, 2007 @ 2:19 am (Views: 27)
This retarded “wingnut” bullshit has gone way too far. You rightwing assholes are getting out of hand. You douchebags have got to go. I’m talking to you Charles “fucker” Johnson, and your minions you feed on your shitty website (the only thing poorer than the site content is the site design). Chuck, I understand - you have an ego matched only by your ignorance, so it makes sense that you would love having your own little army of drones.

Hate, seethe, hate, seething, hating, seething, ever growing hatred, ever growing seething, hate, seethe, hate, seethe...

A typical day in the life of lurch3249.

ROFL

Seethe, hate, seethe, hate...

Some people simply refuse to be part of the damned.

418 phoenixgirl  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:49:00pm

From wikepedia

The wearing of a head covering (which could be a veil or a hat) is mandated by the Code of Canon Law of 1917: mulieres autem, capite cooperto et modeste vestitae, maxime cum ad mensam Dominicam accedunt.[1] This translates roughly to "But women [assist at church] with heads covered and modestly dressed, especially when they approach the Lord's table." The practice had fallen out of use in most places by the 1970s, and the canon does not appear in the 1983 code - it is no longer enforced or expected even in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. In the new Code of Canon Law, Can. 21, we read: "In doubt, the revocation of a previous law is not presumed; rather, later laws are to be related to earier ones, as far as possible, harmonized with them." In other words, the Catholic church has not changed its position on the wearing of the veil. Nor is there any mention of the veil in Vatican II. The feminist movement of the 60's and 70's may have been the reason Catholic women no longer wear the veil. Take for instance this quote from the N.O.W. Handbook, A. Religion Resolutions: "Because the wearing of a head covering by women at religious services is a symbol of subjection within many churches, NOW recommends that all chapters undertake an efford to have all women praticipate in a 'national unveiling' by sending their head coverings to the task force chairman. At the Spring meeting of the task force of women and religion, these veils will be publicly burned to protest the second class status of women in all churches. (Dec. 1968)" It is still practiced, however, in many "Traditionalist Catholic" circles, ranging from those who prefer the pre-Vatican II rites for liturgy to those who deny the validity of current Catholic liturgies.

she may be in trouble with NOW!

419 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:49:08pm

Tired of gazing at the trolls.

Time to go gaze at the traffic.

/Not sure which is worse.

420 IrishEi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:49:09pm
#409 Ward Cleaver
Seriously, I wish that John the Baptist's head wasn't there.

I doubt that it is. There are at least 5 places that claim to have his head. And these are the last people whose claim I would believe.

421 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:49:10pm

Is it just me, or is LGF kinda sluggish?

422 Durendal  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:49:11pm

dear naso,

#184, thx

423 USA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:50:11pm

#405 IrishEi

Saw your comment. That's why I checked to see if the press picked up on your observation.

This could get interesting. Maybe we'll see a Seder in the mosque tonight?

/sarc

425 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:50:16pm
If it's "Nacho Wang", then who's wang is it

(Groans and rolls eyes) Get out. Leave this thread immediately.

426 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:50:21pm

More moral relativism from Naso Tang.

Naso Tang is the one who brought up Catholic head coverings, which has nothing to do with Nan in hijab.

That is the issue here, Naso Tang, and it's not a "simple head scarf". It's a symbol of oppresion.

427 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:50:34pm

#372 TalkinKamel


Good Passover, BabbaZee! Chag Sameach!


Back at ya!

428 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:50:42pm
#407 NoSubmission 4/03/2007 1:44:56 pm PDT

Nasal Tang

Ignore the custom and all that is likely is that one is considered a rude boor, and American too boot.

..and what does that supposed to mean exactly?

It means that people, foreigners in particular, who don't like Americans are prone to use the explanation that their personal faults are directly related to being American. Typical cheap slander stuff, that I seem to be finding from a few fellow Americans here.

429 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:51:15pm

#413 Naso Tang:

My wife and I saw this in Peru and she wore the scarf rather than seem a rude bore as is advocated by some.

You saw older women in Peru wearing a head scarf at mass, therefore you assume it's mandatory at Catholic churches everywhere but the US... brilliant! With "cosmopolitans" like you, who needs hicks?

430 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:51:47pm

Must be all the fucking slugs in here

431 phoenixgirl  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:51:56pm

#412 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

see post #365

432 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:52:49pm

#401 naso

Speaking as a Catholic, I wouldn't be offended in the least if Nancy Pelosi meet with BXVI without wearing a mantilla. I would just wonder why she would be meeting with him, seeing as how she has dedicated her public life to opposing the Catholic Church on a great many things, i.e. homosexuality, abortion, etc.

433 IrishEi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:52:56pm

#412 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

We're all over it, as is the Washington Post (although they just mention it in passing).

See #365 and #385.

434 Bad Penny  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:53:55pm

Good afternoon Lizards... just a quick drive-by to remind y'all to start work on your effigies for the Moros y Christianos festival. I'll try to find someplace appropriate to deploy mine. It's only two and a half weeks away.

/back to work

435 JeepThang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:54:31pm

I wonder if she feels comfortable in it.

436 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:54:46pm

Look, I'm going to say something in defense of Naso Tang's point. I am a life long Catholic and although the scarf is optional my grandmother always wore one and they are very common in Latin America.

I might also poit out - at the risk of being considered trollish - that everytime that I have attended a service in a Jewish synagogue I have worn a yarmulke.

The difference, of course, is that the Catholic scarf or the Jewish yarmulke are optional, especially for visitors.

437 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:55:04pm
#416 Occasional Reader 4/03/2007 1:47:40 pm PDT

#401 Tang:

and yes it is mandatory in some parts of the Catholic world

"Some parts"? A few minutes ago, you were maintaining that a headscarf is mandatory in Catholic churches in "Europe and Latin America". And now you're backpeddling to "some parts"?

(Hint: it is still customary... but not required... in the eastern Catholic churches; that's the best you can do, World-Traveling champ.)

I thought of ignoring this little invective, but since you are obviously so worked up about nothing I'll explain that personal experience tells me it is customary in "some" parts, meaning the ones I've been to. Perhaps not in the US, but I haven't been to any catholic cathedrals in the US.

So, do you feel better now?

438 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:55:10pm

OT- Now that is what I call a squall line!


May have had a couple of brief tornadoes in Alabama and Tennessee, although neither looked too impressive on radar, but Kentucky to Missouri to Arkansas, should be the main show next couple of hours, before it shifts a little East.

439 jehu[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:55:27pm
440 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:55:27pm

Our enemies are laughing at us.

the moderates and libertarians united with the dems who are united with the leftists and anarchists to accomplish this in the General Election. Too bad, huh?

441 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:55:41pm

naso
I live in NYC. We attract millions and millions of tourists. Let me say this, and I am not trying to insult our European or otherwise foreign lizards, but the rudeness I've experienced from some of them is simply astounding. Americans do not corner the market in this area. Trust me.

That said. The issue here is not the headscarf because we ALL KNOW that when a woman enters a mosque she has to cover her head or she ain't getting in. Period. I went to Turkey and I know. The issue here is that Pelosi, third in line for the Presidency is playing footsie with a notorious dictator.

442 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:56:00pm

#418 Phoenixgirl

Way to cite precedent!

443 Dustoff-507  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:56:38pm

#399 ED

Your right buddy.. Let the LURCH loose. We need someone to kick around. (-:

444 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:57:14pm

396 republic

WaPo reports that Scarface aka Pelosi made the sign of the cross in the mosque...
What a complete phoney.

Pelosi is Italian-American, and at least nominally, Roman Catholic.

445 AirForceWife  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:58:29pm

Wishing a joyful Passover Seder to our Jewish friends at LGF.

446 CrazyFool  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:59:05pm

You have to wonder if she spoke the magic words which converts her to Islam.

I think she's too stupid to realize is a one-way street.

447 WarBicycle  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:59:16pm

It wasn't all that long ago that Catholic women were require to wear such headdress while attending church.

448 NoSubmission  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:59:53pm

feh.. enough of this. I'm heading toward the subway.

449 rtheyserius  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:00:09pm

The main obstacle to arresting Pelosi and her fellow "traitors" is that the U.S. hasn't declared war on Syria. Therefore, a treason charge wouldn't hold up in court because war must be declared in order to legally designate an "enemy" nation.

/Right?

450 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:00:54pm

436 Ringo the Gringo

The difference, of course, is that the Catholic scarf or the Jewish yarmulke are optional, especially for visitors.

Yes! And this is the point that is lost on Naso Tang and why he insists on continuing his moral relevancy rant so we look like islamophobes.

The issue isn't showing respect in a place of worship. The issue is not having a choice in showing respect or not.

Naso Tang- would Nancy have been allowed in the mosque if she had refused to wear hijab?

451 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:01:11pm

A person can't be a leftist, and a Christian.

One nulifies the other, as in Nancy Pelosi' case, and the other leftists, who show up three times every election cycle in a Church, and claim Christianity.

OK, twice in a Church, and once in a mosque, in Pelosi's case.

452 The world of fuzziness  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:01:21pm

It's all about terrible optics:

A picture of
a top American official
wearing an Islamic symbol
of submission
five years after
3000 people
perished
shortly after
the devout murderers
screamed
Allah is great!

In the end
it wouldn’t matter
where she was
or what was the caption
under the picture.

453 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:01:28pm
454 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:01:45pm

The 15-second seder:

They tried to kill us.
We won.
Let's eat.

Hag sameach Pesach, Lizardim!

455 theheat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:02:38pm

No, Laura Bush didn't visit Syria. But she did wear the stupid scarf so not to upset the locals, and that still pisses me off. And, while we're talking about acting as supplicants to terrorist funders, GWB holding hands with (our friends the) Saudis doesn't do it for me, either. It's no wonder his wife didn't think twice about a head scarf.

The fact is, we don't have any politicians with balls. And, when given the opportunity to show strong American convictions, our representatives continually fall to the lowest rung of the ladder. Head scarf? Sure. Hold hands with assholes? Sign me up. Hell, let me kiss Arafat's gravestone.

456 religion of bacon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:02:42pm

#439 jehu

no matter its ability to mentally masturbate even as the aliens are preparing the surgical chamber to remove its stupid tiny brain

Are you channelling tfk?

457 Naso Tang  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:02:52pm
#436 Ringo the Gringo 4/03/2007 1:54:46 pm PDT

Look, I'm going to say something in defense of Naso Tang's point. I am a life long Catholic and although the scarf is optional my grandmother always wore one and they are very common in Latin America.

I might also poit out - at the risk of being considered trollish - that everytime that I have attended a service in a Jewish synagogue I have worn a yarmulke.

The difference, of course, is that the Catholic scarf or the Jewish yarmulke are optional, especially for visitors.

Thanks, although I do wish you wouldn't have to cover yourself with the trollish bit just for holding a slightly different perspective than a few. :)

How optional it is depends on the local situation, in any case it is a sign of polite respect to accommodate if one wants to show that, not to mention show that one understands something. I think there are a few diehard religious people here who brook no criticism of THEIR religion (sound familiar?), which may be why I get so much childish flack.

Anyway, thanks for all the attention. Lovely really, but I must go. She calls.

458 jehu  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:03:52pm

fuzzyness 452

BINGO!

459 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:03:59pm
460 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:04:23pm

#444 Kenneth

Pelosi is Italian-American, and at least nominally, Roman Catholic.

I stand firm, that a person can't be a Christian, and a leftist.

One nulifies the other.

461 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:05:10pm

#437 Tang:

but I haven't been to any catholic cathedrals in the US

Ah. And since you say you're a "fellow American", I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're not Catholic. Right?

Yet you felt perfectly comfortable declaring, "Women are expected to cover their heads in Catholic churches too", in the course of making an implicit moral equivalency between forced veiling in Islam, and what is a declining, optional custom in Catholicism. You made this sweeping declaration based on... some things you saw in your capacity as a tourist.

"Worked up" about you? No, it's just that yours is the kind of phoney sophistication that catches my attention. Mark Steyn was right: "The great thing about multiculturalism is that it doesn't involve knowing anything about other cultures... All it requires is feeling good about other cultures."

462 jehu  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:05:30pm

religion of bacon 456

I,,,have,,use,,,commas,,,highway of death!

463 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:05:58pm

#447 WarBicycle

Oh, for crying out loud. Read thread. Then post.

464 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:06:46pm
465 BabbaZee  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:06:46pm
466 Durendal  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:06:51pm
(sound familiar?)

it does sound familiar since you are clearly a covert jihadist. still eagerly awaiting your reply to my historical analysis of Islam, thx

467 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:09:14pm
468 Fed Up Patriot  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:09:23pm

The pic of Pelosi in the head scraf is fucking priceless!

The sheer volume of jokes that can and will be made with that picture is worth her trip over there!

Someone get started on one of those "Priceless" pictures ASAP!

469 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:09:34pm

463 Earth2moonbat

Oh, for crying out loud. Read thread. Then post.

That requires work and stuff. Why read the blog, and why read the threads when ignorantly posting comments is easier?

470 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:10:26pm

#457 Naso Tang

I think there are a few diehard religious people here who brook no criticism of THEIR religion (sound familiar?),

Hey Naso, here's a little test for you: pick any city in the "Christian" world and go to the main square. Hold up a sign saying, in the local language, "Jesus was a liar". See what happens.

Now pick any city in the muslim world and go to the main square. Hold up a sign saying, in the local language, "Mohammad was a liar". See what happens.

471 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:10:55pm

#460 republic

I stand firm, that a person can't be a Christian, and a leftist.

The liberation theologists might dispute that. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

472 Dustoff-507  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:11:27pm

#444 Kenneth

Pelosi is Italian-American,

O-man that sets me off. She's America/Italian. Unless she was born in Italy.

Plus isn't she married to an Italian instead?

473 jehu  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:11:29pm

religion of bacon

All seriousness aside, I just am sick of the presumed moral, and intellectual superiority of liberals. I have met few that are scientists (I mean real ones), engineers, architechs, chip desingers, etc. It is the people that design the radios that are the buiders of society, but liberals learn how to play a radio by turning the knobs, and assume they just built a faster than light star cruiser. If all the conservative, non idiotarians were kidnapped by the Raeillians one day the liberals would starve to death in a year.

Let them eat newsprint, and lawsuits and see how they fare.

474 Fed Up Patriot  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:11:37pm

P.S. That pic of Pelosi should be strictly used from now on when referring to her until she dies.

475 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:12:45pm
476 age of freedom  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:13:11pm

This story should be presented in parallel to the refusal of a Muslim minister in Israel to wear a yamaca in a synagogue, to ironically give a speech about [lies] co-exisiting.

Again, a Muslim minister, who's also a parliament member in Israel. So much for racism and apartheid.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

---Quote---
"When asked about his refusal to sing Israel's national anthem, Hatikvah, Majadele said that he respects the anthem but does not intend to sing it. He said people who felt it was his duty to sing the national anthem were "uneducated and uncultured, with no idea where they were." The minister also refused to wear a kippa when asked, upon entering the synagogue, saying "I don't intend to wear a kippa and I have never worn one. Kippas are worn by Jews and I am a Muslim."
---End Quote---

What if Pelosi refused to wear a hijab, saying 'it's worn by Muslimahs and I am NOT a Muslim'?
What if Pelosi refused to take her shoes off when entering a mosque, because she is NOT a muslim?

An infidel, who's an American, who's a women that refused to succumb to Muslim demands - that'd be something.

477 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:13:23pm

It's true, I brook no criticism of my religion.

[snicker]

478 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:13:46pm
If all the conservative, non idiotarians were kidnapped by the Raeillians one day the liberals would starve to death in a year.

Let them eat newsprint, and lawsuits and see how they fare.

That's funny.

479 jehu[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:14:49pm
480 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:15:38pm

#471 Who Watches The Watchman

The liberation theologists might dispute that. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I simply must agree to disagree with them.

481 religion of bacon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:17:16pm

ok, I finally figured out who Nancy reminds me of, particularly when she's got the glassy grin on:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"Addled matriarch," indeed.

Sorry if this has been pointed out before -- I tried to search for it, but LGF search is giving me errors.

482 Defogger  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:17:35pm

#330 Ringo the Gringo:

To be honest, I don't have a problem with Nancy Pelosi wearing a scarf while inside of a mosque.

My problem is with Nancy Pelosi being inside of Syria.

That is my feeling, also. It's not like she is a mere tourist.

OTOH, let her go on doing this crap. It'll be a great help in 2008.

483 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:19:34pm
484 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:19:47pm

476 age of freedom

What if Pelosi refused to wear a hijab, saying 'it's worn by Muslimahs and I am NOT a Muslim'?
What if Pelosi refused to take her shoes off when entering a mosque, because she is NOT a muslim?

This was similar to the question I posed, then Naso Tang conveniently had to go. Huh.

Anyways- to answer that question- she would not have been allowed in the mosque.

485 Bearster  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:20:41pm

I guess the phrase "speaking truth to power" changes meaning based on who Nancy is talking to.

If you're addressing the fading remnants of the old republic, hey, indulge yourself and be nasty!

If you travel to a murderous dictatorship, put on a hijab and show your respect!

Yikes. :(

486 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:20:44pm

#470 Kenneth

pick any city in the "Christian" world and go to the main square. Hold up a sign saying, in the local language, "Jesus was a liar". See what happens.

People look at you like you're crazy.

Now pick any city in the muslim world and go to the main square. Hold up a sign saying, in the local language, "Mohammad was a liar". See what happens.

People look at you like you have no head.

487 IrishEi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:20:46pm

Ya know, if PilOShit had checked the rules of protocol and etiquette, she would have been well aware that she should never had made the sign of the cross in that mosque. But then, if she were on an official visit to Syria at the request of the President, she would have been briefed.

Now if she had made the sign of the cross intentionally, just to stick it to them, I would be impressed. But she didn't.

She was just so stupid that when she saw "John the Baptist," she thought to herself, "Oh, he's one of my guys! Now what's that thing I'm supposed to do when I start praying? Oh, oh! I remember!..."

There was a big hoopla over the possibility that the Pope would say a prayer at a mosque in Turkey. Let's see if PilOShit gets away with it

488 3 wood  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:21:39pm

Okay, I've had enough of the foolishness from lurch:

At #259 lurch says:

No, it is very, very similar to Christianity. I've read the Quran, and I've been friends with a few Muslims from Bosnia -

Notice everybody, that he did not say he has read the Bible, even though he equates Islam with Christianity. This should tell you everything you need to know. He is a morale equivalenting left wing. This troll has no idea what is in the Word of the Living God.

2.

or people here, attempting to legitimize hate.

This is another typical left wing technique, categorize any speech you disagree with as "hate". One of the most hateful things I've ever seen is your blog Lurch, and you should be ashamed of it. Go look in the mirror and take the beam out of your own eye before you talk about the sliver in ours. Why don't you go over to the HuffPo and go talk to the anti-Semites there and the guy calling for Bush to be assassinated about their hate? Cause you are a coward, that's why.

3.

And what could they do? You know as well as I do that a Muslim who speaks out against terrorism will be struck down just the same.

You equate Christianity with Islam, then you admit any Muslim criticizing the terrorism will be killed. You just destryed your own argument, such as it was. Go back to KOS, HuffPo and DU where you fit in with their hate, bigotry, and Christian bashing.

Lurch is a good example of what the left wing has become today.

489 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:22:51pm
490 Odinist  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:23:51pm
#482 Defogger

It's not like she is a mere tourist.

Then she should stop acting like one... What relevant political facts can she be finding from tourist hot spots?

/more wasting of tax dollars

491 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:24:28pm

#470 Kenneth:

pick any city in the "Christian" world and go to the main square

You know, if you had travelled just a bit, you'd be sophisticated and know that outside of your Wal-Martified, Kentucky-Fried United States, "main squares" are called "piazzas". [snort]

492 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:26:30pm

#477 O.R.

It's true, I brook no criticism of my religion.


Behead those who insult South American Super-Hotties!

493 NiceLass  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:26:34pm

#418 phoenixgirl

Take for instance this quote from the N.O.W. Handbook, A. Religion Resolutions: "Because the wearing of a head covering by women at religious services is a symbol of subjection within many churches, NOW recommends that all chapters undertake an efford to have all women praticipate in a 'national unveiling' by sending their head coverings to the task force chairman.

Interesting. So Nancy has some 'splaining to do for her N.O.W. constituents...or maybe not, since N.O.W. seems A.W.O.L. when it comes to Islam's second class citizens.

(Sorry Nasal couldn't hang long enough to comment on this...gee what a shame.)

494 frankp_63  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:27:26pm

This is the kind of stuff that I think makes the Hillary campaign very nervous and very angry. Rightly or wrongly, Pelosi is being judged in part by her gender and, rightly or wrongly, that judgement is being projected onto all women in or aspiring to high government office. If Pelosi continues to overreach and act like a shadow commander-in-chief, I predict she'll enrage a sizeable bipartisan chunk of the voting population just in time for '08 (and I know more than a few male Dems who can't stand her almost as much as they despise Hillary).

495 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:27:40pm

Adriana akbar! Ulululululululululu

496 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:28:07pm

IMHO, based on spelling of words and phrases, that you know who is a transplanted Brit, possibly a muslim, pretending to be American. Probably living on the east coast of the U.S. working for al Rueters in Florida. Charles, can I buy a vowel I.P. address?

497 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:29:38pm

Good night Lizards - I'm taking a break from the internet tomorrow.

Play nice.

498 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:32:11pm

#496 ec marm

Or in the UK. Or Pakistan. This is the internet, man.

499 Killian Bundy  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:33:43pm

Vote Hillary!

/because she CAIRs

500 Thor-Zone  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:34:11pm

I am sure it has already been said, but the new Speaker is a complete Dhammi tool.

Sheesh - that first picture makes her look like some Syrian villager insead of the third in line for the Presidence of the most powerful country the world has ever known.

501 religion of bacon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:34:49pm

#473 jehu

Hmm, in my experience, there are plenty of liberals in engineering, and the majority of scientists in academia are libs. And I can tell you that in the case of the US scientific research community, unless they're hooked up to a DARPA program, they hate Bush, because the war has drained money away from non-defense related research grants, e.g. NSA grants, in a big way.

502 stanψ  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:35:02pm

A smiling Nancy Pelosi made the sign of the cross while standing inside of a Mosque, looking at the (whatever) of John the Baptist? This should get very interesting.

503 3 wood  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:35:05pm

#302 Naso

If you go into major Catholic churches in Europe and in Latin America even, as a tourist, they have available scarves to borrow for women that don't have one and they politely ask for it to used.

Not true. We spent the better part of a day walking all over St. Patricks in Dublin. Nobody said a word to my wife, my 3 daughters, or any other other women in my presence.

504 Durendal  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:35:23pm

#496 ec marm

yes, it is quite clear.

505 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:35:38pm

Reading the posts.

This is why I come hear, no doubt.

I can honestly say, the objectivity in a great many of the posts is awesome. Just great, well though, provoking arguments for a point of view relating to the subject matter.

Jehu, you are laying some smack down. Great words.

506 TMF  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:36:08pm

I dont give a crap that she's wearing a towel.

I do care that she and her party are actively trying to get me and my family KILLED

507 400lb Gorilla  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:37:34pm

Good little Dhimmni. Maybe you could be my 4th wife.

STOP ISLAMIFESTATION NOW!

508 allahakchew  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:38:16pm

Welcome to Amerkistan everyone. ...

No further comment needed...

509 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:38:45pm

#501 religion of bacon

You know what else has drained research money away is global warming. If they want their grants approved, all they have to do is say how their research into string theory is relevant to global warming. Chu-ching! Out comes the money.

510 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:39:02pm

Democrats are going fishing.

Impeachment on their minds.

511 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:39:47pm

#479 jehu,

Ringo

Your point is what? What moral equivalence projectile vomit do you have for us all? That Laura Bush is a tool?

No. My point is that when people visit houses of worship of religions other than their own they will often go along with certain customs out of simple politeness. That's all.
I am not trying to make any form of moral equivalence as I know that very few Muslims would do the same.

As I said earlier on this thread: my problem is not that Nancy Pelosi wore a scarf inside of a mosque, it's that Nancy Pelosi is inside of Syria attempting to conduct her own foreign policy and undermine the President in a time of war.

Now if Nancy Pelosi was wearing the headscarf outside of the mosque then I would have a problem.

512 Edouard  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:40:11pm

I hate, hate, HATE that Pelosi is there in Syria!

Who the hell gave her license to be an envoy to an antagonist state instead of just a member of Congressm dhimmifying herself in the process by wearing that headscarf? And to monkey around with the very security of the American people like this?

/Must...go...put...in...a...CD...of...drifting...a mbient...music and calm the f*** down

513 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:40:12pm

#502 stanψ

You're going to go squeal to Mohammed, aren't you?

514 RobCon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:40:17pm

The "most powerful woman in the world"?
What did the other California girl Sen. Barbara Boxer say recently in front of Algore; "elections have consequences"
The sure do.

515 allahakchew  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:42:03pm

BTW Comments on her website are being monitored. You agree you get posted you disagree you get banned. Like I said welcome to Amerikikstan...

516 Thor-Zone  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:43:32pm

Where are the hostage takers when you need them?

517 Hellfire  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:43:43pm

#369 jehu

""What the hell happens to liberal boys at birth? Does one of their mommies chew off their dick in some ritual?""

#439 jehu

""Your desire to debate and banter is OK for the liberal world when all that is at stake is who would perform the best fellatio on Obama or Bill Clinton. But in the real world, ultimately we will sweep aside all you infants and break out the dogs of war.""


Dude, man you're killing me today, my f**king sides are hurting from laughing so hard. You must be a metalhead hee hee.

518 chemicalcorpse  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:47:22pm

WHO IN THE HELL IS PAYING THE FREIGHT FOR THIS DUMBASS TO SUBVERT OUR FOREIGN POLICY?

That's right boys and girls... you and I through the confiscatory taxation we are subjected to thanks to these tools...

519 right wing zephyr  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:48:26pm
506 TMF 4/03/2007 2:36:08 pm PDT

I dont give a crap that she's wearing a towel.

I do care that she and her party are actively trying to get me and my family KILLED

That's right and what many of us have been saying for the last 10 years. some for longer

520 TimeQuake  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:48:41pm

270 Cattt

and a Kleenex pinned to my hair when I forgot the lace thingy

LOL, oh boy, does that bring back memories.

521 chemicalcorpse  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:49:29pm

516 - careful, you may express sentiments many may find positively delicious

522 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:50:07pm

#302 Naso Tang

You obviously haven't travelled much. If you go into major Catholic churches in Europe and in Latin America even, as a tourist, they have available scarves to borrow for women that don't have one and they politely ask for it to used.

The biggest pack of lies. Name the catholic churches in Europe that require women to where a scarve? Being catholic and living in Europe over a decade, I've been to alot of them. NEVER have I have seen a catholic church in Europe provide a scarf OR even ask women to wear one.

You, sir, are a liar.

523 mapchic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:50:10pm

First - Nancy needs to find a more flattering scarf. That one is too busy and out of season. Granted, nothing is going to make her beautiful at this point (no matter what her plastic surgeon says) but she should by this time in her life at least know how to work with what she has.

Second - I just want to respond to the discussion of women wearing scarves or head coverings in the Catholic Church.

I am in my early 30s and an observant fairly orthodox Catholic. While I often *choose* to wear a scarf or hat to Mass (usually when attending Tridentine Latin Mass) I am not required to, and have *never* been asked to. It is a matter off personal piety - nothing more.

I have been to major Cathedrals all over Europe and in many countries of S. America and was NEVER asked to put on a head covering. In fact, I met the Pope (John Paul II) while not wearing a head covering. I understand that dignitaries are asked to do so... however, it is no longer required for everyone.

At this point the fact that I cover my head makes me the odd one at Mass (both here at home and abroad). It is not a common or practice in the States or anywhere in Europe that I have attended Mass (though I understand that Japanese Catholic women tend to still cover their head).

As a Catholic there is no reason on earth for Nancy Pelosi to be making the sign of the cross in front of those fake relics of St. John the Baptist. It gives the indication that she is actually venerating them... but of course as Catholics we know that they are fake. The real head of John the Baptist is kept in the Roman Basilic San Silvestro in Capite.

I would almost give her credit for making the sign of the Cross in a mosque... if she were doing it in an 'in your face' kind of gesture. But of course she wasn't. Instead it was a sign of the cross in veneration of fake relics. ridiculous.

524 So?  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:51:45pm

#23 sugiero 4/03/2007 11:44:39 am PDT
OT:
Radical Muslim clerics refused entry to Australia

A RADICAL Muslim cleric has been refused entry to Australia, and another has been asked to show cause why he should not also be banned, just days before they were due to attend an Islamic conference in Melbourne.

~~~

Wish the US would have the same balls!

525 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:51:57pm

Around 2 pm this afternoon, Mahomet, IL received dime sized hail.

For what its worth.

526 new_tommy  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:52:21pm

It is probably really the head of some Byzantine Emperor.

527 3 wood  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:52:42pm

#522 buckeye

Naso ran away for a while. But I bet he is lurking.

528 mollyshark  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:52:55pm

Ringo, I have to agree with you somewhat. When I go to the Kotel I make sure my arms are covered, etc and I am a reformed Jew. But her being in Syria is absurd.

529 Brees  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:53:46pm

From the second picture
U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, looks at the tomb containing the head of St. John the Baptist

Sure someone has already commented on this but...

Nancy's hosts would prefer her's and the rest of we eeevil Zionists heads also!

530 mapchic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:54:58pm

One more thing...

If Pelosi is such a Catholic. What the HELL is she doing in SYRIA of all places during Holy Week?

531 ReverseTaqiyya  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:56:08pm

#259 Lurch 3249 The only similarity that the Qu'ran has with the Christian bible is that the Qu'ran plagerizes heavily from it. The 'good news' of the bible contrasts sharply with the 'kill all the infidels, plunder booty, encourage pedophilia, murder and lie' horror show found within the Qu'ran and the a 'Hadiths. The 10 commandments demonstrate that the God of the Bible is not the same 'god' of the Qu'ran and a 'Hadiths, for He would never permit lying and murder. As the following examples show, the Qu'ran is a wretched book that endorses lying!
Qur'an 4:142 "Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them."
Qur'an 66:1 "Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
Qur'an 13:27 "Say, ‘God leads whosoever He wills astray.'"
Qur'an 8:30 "Remember how the unbelievers plotted against you (Muhammad). They plotted, and Allah too had arranged a plot; but Allah is the best schemer."

and the next two verses go together quite nicely:
Qur'an 33:21 "You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow."
Bukhari:Volume 4, Book52, Number 270: "Allah's Messenger said, ‘Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.' Maslama got up saying, ‘Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet proclaimed, ‘Yes.' Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.' Muhammad said, ‘You may do so.'"

A 'holy' book that encourages lying and murder could never be inspired by the true God who loathes sin, which leaves only one possiblilty left: the Qu'ran was inspired by demons or by the Father of Lies himself, Satan.

Never confuse the 'good news' of Christianity with the 'bad news' of Islam Lurch 3249!

532 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:56:31pm

What's the over and under on when Lurch gets the stick?

533 Verity Kindle  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:57:21pm

#503,
I have to disagree strongly. I've visited a number of large churches in Italy alone and with a tour group and not once was I asked to wear a scarf, although I did see some elderly ladies wearing them in the church. In Honduras and in northern Mexico, no women wear head scarves in church at all. And even if they did in all those countries, it wouldn't make it any less rude to ask someone not of your religion to wear one. It's rude and it's demeaning to ask someone to do that as a condition of entering your church. Women of the world, toss off your itchy head veils and do a big hair toss like Farrah Fawcett. It's your right! I'm doing a HT as I write this!

534 kevin the ox  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:57:26pm

Folks, that mosque was formerly the Cathedral of St John the Baptist there in Damascus, which has had the head of John the Baptist since it was moved around several times from Holy Land to various places (there are three "Finding of the Head of St John the Forerunner" feasts in the Greek Orthodox calendar). After the Muslims took over Damascus, at first, it was permitted to remain a church at first, then was made into half mosque and half church, and then finally made into a mosque only. The theft of a church still pisses some of us off.

It's a perfect sign of dhimmitude.

535 noneya  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:57:46pm

take a hard look, american women, because this is how you are all gonna look in 20 years if the dems stay in power!

536 wong fei hung  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:58:18pm

C**T.

537 CLLRusso  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:58:34pm

Doesn't Nancy look cute in her Islamic scarf?
Just like the female British hostage.

538 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:59:32pm

#522 Buckeye:

living in Europe over a decade

That's unpossible! Conservatives are all ignorant hicks who don't have passports and whose idea of an exotic trip is a visit to South of the Border. Everybody knows that.

539 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 2:59:57pm

Nancy is off to Saudi Arabia tomorrow or the next day... It should be interesting to see what she wears when she's inside of the Magic Kingdom.

540 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:00:58pm

#523 mapchic

Excellent post. One of these days I'd like to go to a Tridentine Mass. I came into the Church ten years ago, long after the Church switched to the new Mass. I just have to find one around Dallas.

541 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:02:28pm

Four out of five Catholic dentists recommend Tridentine Mass for their patients who attend Mass.

542 mardukhai  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:02:37pm

At a so called "Messianic Synagogue" (an evangelical church with Jewish rituals), I once saw a bunch of Mexican ladies wearing BOTH lace mantillas and (I swear on my father's grave) yarmulkes.

Pelosi gets a pass from me on this one simply because it's a case of "When in Rome".

BUT, the "Omayad Mosque" is still a stolen church.

AND will she ask King Chinless if he will recognize the 1948 borders.

543 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:11:14pm

#235 soccerdad,

Why the heck is John's head in a friggin mosque? I know that Herod's daughter Salome requested his head as reward for a dance...

But how did it end up in the mosque?

Ah, the Muslims as usual have translated the name wrong. It wasn't John the Baptist's head as in Herod fame.

It was really Saddam the Baathist. The U.S. military gave it to them for free, noose and all.

544 Kaos Hiker  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:12:06pm

Our strongest Ally grovels at the feet of international bullies, While Our Speaker of the House, Licks The Boots of Americas Enemies. Sigh.

545 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:13:18pm

#401 Naso Tang

"We agree that she shouldn't be in Syria, but are you suggesting that she shouldn't cover her head if she visited the Pope in St Peters'?"

The point I and others are making is that Pelosi WOULD NOT wear a head covering inside a western cathedral and likely not even if she met the Pope. I doubt she has worn one since her confirmation.

My problem with you is that you continue to conflate the optional wearing of a Mantilla by elderly and conservative Christians with the MANDATORY head covering required by Muslims.


Also Laura Bush is a private citizen, not an elected representative of the US government. Nancy Pelosi's actions carry at least the Flavor of approval by the US Gov. or at least the Democratic party.

546 Verity Kindle  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:14:53pm

Maybe the headscarf is not the problem, maybe it's not even Pelosi bashing around Damascus. It's that she's making it look like the President would make the colossal mistake of sending an empty-headed woman as an envoy to a Muslim country. The problem IS 1.) she's empty-headed 2.) woman. A male envoy might--might-- have been able to earn a measure of respect. But a woman in Syria is worth nothing, no matter what. All Pelosi is doing is cementing Assad's belief that all American women are slow, easily frightened, frivolous and gullible. She's embarassing us all, but most of all she's making the President look ridiculous. And she knows it.
And by the way, if women are only allowed inside the mosque under special conditions, then why are earth were camera crews allowed in there? Is there some Islamic rule against cameras in the mosque or not? I thought there was?

547 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:16:17pm

Bottom line, aside from the scarf.

If she was asked by the administration not to go, and has still gone, what was the purpose?

She was elected to represent her district, not the nation as a whole.

I want to know, just like Joe Wilson, on what premise is she going?

Is she making deals that are not hers to make?

What are the grounds for this visit?

Someone in the press, ask these questions.

548 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:16:52pm

I don't remember seeing Nazi Pelosi in a head scarf when she attended Ford's funeral service.

549 nyc redneck  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:17:00pm

nancy has gone to syria to make pres. bush look bad. and syria delights in her visit for that same reason. this alliance is really vile and evil. pelosi should not be in office. it is infuriating to have this traitor sell out our country.

550 phoenixgirl  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:17:13pm

#523 mapchic

The Catholic encyclopedia, NewAdvent.org, states it does not know what became of the head of St. John the baptist.

Making the sign of the cross does not indicate veneration. It indicates the beginning or ending of a prayer, and or a prayer in itself. If she made the sign of the cross with the attitude of sticking it to the muslims, that would be wrong. Have you never visited a gravesite of a relative and not blessed yourself? Have you never knelt before a statue in the church and blessed yourself.

I detest her politics. I'm impressed that she blessed herself, I'm really impressed she blessed herself in a mosque.

551 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:17:28pm

Looks like it may be too late for damaging hail in Dallas, as the front is on top of them, but the cap finally showing signs of breaking over Texas.

552 Ma Sands  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:18:01pm

#388 Kenneth

What intestinal fortitude you have, to wade so far into that place... ): --I couldn't get past the first sentence before feeling as if I were being overwhelmed by Hell itself, and backing out... ):

553 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:20:25pm

#527 3 wood

Naso ran away for a while. But I bet he is lurking.

Not surprised. According to his "nic" he has been on board for over 6 months and comes out with:

It becomes more and more incredible how many of you really have the brains of lizards, aside from the other more respectful connotation.

Pompous little f*ck.

554 Verity Kindle  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:20:29pm

ONE MORE TIME: No Roman Catholic is required to wear any kind of head covering at any time, whether they are going to Mass, meeting the Pope or doing a crossword puzzle. Period, Finito. Emeril. Bam. No.
SOME Catholics choose to wear a veil at Mass, but there is no kind of rule regarding this. Vatican II, ok? Look it up.
Not that it has anything to do with anything we're discussing! Gah.

555 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:20:34pm

lurch,

No, it is very, very similar to Christianity. I've read the Quran, and I've been friends with a few Muslims from Bosnia - and you know what's funny? It's not a conspiracy to take over the world, it's a religion just like yours.

Doesn't sound like theology is your bag either. Next time you run into one of your Muslim buddies who believe as Christians, ask them for me how Haggar is doing and tell them I said Sarah is still sleeping in Abraham's tent.

556 Seattle Rep  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:23:57pm

#539 Ringo
interesting to see what she wears when she's inside of the Magic Kingdom.

Let's hope it's NOT a Princess Jasmin outfit. Oh, not that Magic Kingdom?

557 caliredst8r  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:24:27pm

Sorry if this has already been asked, but why is the head of John the Baptist in a mosque?

What would be the outcry if the head of Mohamaneggs was kept in a Christian church?

558 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:24:35pm

#548 Stuck-in-CA

I don't remember seeing Nazi Pelosi in a head scarf when she attended Ford's funeral service.

Ford was an Episcopalian, not Catholic.

As far as I can tell, Episcopalians have no belief in anything other than homosexual ordination and divestment of church funds from Israel. Hell, for that matter they'll probably be converting their churches to mosques soon anyway.

559 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:25:05pm

My God doesn't believe, "In Rome, do as the Romans do." In fact, HE tells us to do quite the opposite. Personally, I wouldn't step foot in a pagan mosque. If God didn't get you, the stench would.

Stick that in your diddy bag Mr. Tang.

560 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:25:07pm

OT:

School drill portrays killers as Christians

'We need to practice under conditions as real as possible,' says superintendent

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

The insanity of the left continues.

Maybe one day, Americans will have had enough of the left.

I hope and pray!

561 dak  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:26:44pm

That first picture is definitely a keeper! Every troop in Iraq should get one of those around voting time.

562 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:27:12pm

#557 caliredst8r

"Sorry if this has already been asked, but why is the head of John the Baptist in a mosque?

What would be the outcry if the head of Mohamaneggs was kept in a Christian church?"

Muslims claim to revere John the Baptist as a prophet and predecessor of Mohammad.

Incidentally there are about 5 heads of John the baptist spread around Europe and Asia minor. This one is likely from some poor 8th century Christian beheaded for fun.

563 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:28:01pm

#550 phoenixgirl

I detest her politics. I'm impressed that she blessed herself, I'm really impressed she blessed herself in a mosque.

You're giving her too much credit. She just doesn't understand that muslims don't make the sign of the cross. When you believe all that "all religions are the same" stuff, you think like that. I'll bet she thinks Jews make the sign of the cross, too.

564 phoenixgirl  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:31:31pm

#563 E2M

LOL

565 pat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:31:41pm

#563 Earth2moonbat
Your right. This vicious moron is oblivious. Our congress is in the habds of uneducated fools.

566 Raiderhawg  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:31:49pm

Traitorous Dhimmi :-(

567 mama winger  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:33:51pm

This is why women shouldn't be in politics.

568 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:34:32pm

Nancy Pelosi epitomizes the phrase, "Dumb as a bag of rocks."

Have you ever listened to this woman talk? She's not qualified to be on the O.J. jury, much less in Congress. That she's a Dimocratic leader tells you all you need to know about the state of the party.

569 Odinist  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:35:29pm
#559 goodbye_natalie

...Personally, I wouldn't step foot in a pagan mosque...

Interesting point you bring up- The hypocrisy of Islam not allowing depictions of the prophet so the 'people' can remain pure from idolatry seems out of place with the veneration of the 'Holy Rock' in Mecca...

570 Mark1957  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:36:52pm

Re: Nancy Pelosi.

"Separated at Birth?"

[Link: www.adventuredays.ch...]

571 mama winger  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:37:06pm

I spent two week in Italy, and 10 days in Greece about 5 years ago. We hit every church and cathedral we could find. Although my daughter and I dressed modestly, we never ever wore anything on our heads, or were even asked to. Not even in the Vatican.

572 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:38:55pm

Have you ever heard the dumbest member of the senate, Patty "Osama builds daycare centers" Murray? It's not that women are dumb, but since the democrat party only promotes dumb women, that's what you end up with. They could find much smarter women, but they wouldn't be as easy to control.

573 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:39:41pm

Oops, 572 was in response to 568.

574 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:40:45pm
#550 phoenixgirl

I detest her politics. I'm impressed that she blessed herself, I'm really impressed she blessed herself in a mosque.

You're giving her too much credit. She just doesn't understand that muslims don't make the sign of the cross. When you believe all that "all religions are the same" stuff, you think like that. I'll bet she thinks Jews make the sign of the cross, too.

She is a politician.
The way I see it, those of us who are angry by what actions we see her involved in, rub a couple of brain cells together and question what sense does this make.

An evaluation if you will.

As the SOTH, and definite bleeding heart liberal who claims her pursuit of justice for all, would surely see, that blessing herself, in a mosque that was once a church, and currently in the control of an alawite regime that has sponsered terrorism, provided a staging area for a war against an ally who only wants to drive a peace deal, and gives safe haven to terrorists who are in the practice of killing our troops in the middle of a hot war, I would say it displays something less than leadership.

I don't give a rat's ass what the hell Europe feels about the situation. They are lost. I am not ready yet to write off the Iraqis, as much as I am western Europe. We pump tons of money into their states, position our troops there, and they are giving their freedom over to the barbarians.

She should not be there. That is not her position.

575 mama winger  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:40:53pm

#572 E2m

Mary Landrieu - Lousiana - is no rocket scientist either.

576 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:43:45pm

#538 Occasional Reader

That's unpossible! Conservatives are all ignorant hicks who don't have passports and whose idea of an exotic trip is a visit to South of the Border. Everybody knows that.

LOL! I occasionaly get asked by Europeans if, "I voted for Bush?" You should see their faces when I say, "Yeah. Twice!" Had a lovely young colleague from Edinburgh who I worked with for over a year who litterally had a breakdown when she found out I was a Republican and a Gulf War vet.

BTW- Did a roadtrip from Ft. Bragg to Myrtle Beach many moons ago and actually been to "South of the Border." Small world.

577 religion of bacon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:43:46pm

#567 mama winger

This is why women shouldn't be in politics.

Including Margaret Thatcher?

578 jehu[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:44:40pm
579 mama winger  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:45:30pm

#577 r o b

Iron Maggie was more man than most men. She was in a league of her own.

580 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:45:43pm

Buckeye Abroad, have you ever mentioned what country you are/were in over there?

581 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:45:44pm

558- dpatten

Ford was an Episcopalian, not Catholic.

That's not the point. It's been suggested that being Catholic she wears a head covering in places of worship... like a mosque. Then why not in an Episcopalian Church? I'll bet my socks she doesn't wear one in her Catholic church either. I don't and I'm Catholic.

582 Uncle Joe  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:47:53pm

#560 - republic 4/03/2007 3:25:07 pm PDT
School drill portrays killers as Christians
'We need to practice under conditions as real as possible,' says superintendent
[Link: [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]...]
The insanity of the left continues.
Maybe one day, Americans will have had enough of the left.

Sadly, this is the America Americans have chosen. Nancy in her hijab, blue state schools with their hard left indoctrination, defunding the troops...I'm as frustrated with the Republicans as anybody but the people who stayed home or gave a Dem "protest vote" in the last election have made this mess a hell of a lot worse.

To me, Nancy's hijab photo is something of a "Jane Fonda moment" similar to Fonda posing on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft battery with a VC helmet on. I hope this haunts Pelosi. Knowing the servile, left-wing press in the US, it may not, unfortunately.

583 mama winger  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:47:54pm

I, on the other hand, would make a kick-ass Pres.

584 religion of bacon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:48:07pm

#579 mama winger

Agreed.

585 jehu[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:50:47pm
586 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:50:50pm

#567 mama winger

This is why women shouldn't be in politics.

The only democrat I ever voted for was Dixy Lee Ray. She's been dead for over 10 years, and I'd vote for her again if she ran against Murray.

587 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:51:34pm

#581 Stuck-in-CA

"That's not the point. It's been suggested that being Catholic she wears a head covering in places of worship... like a mosque. Then why not in an Episcopalian Church? I'll bet my socks she doesn't wear one in her Catholic church either. I don't and I'm Catholic."


I understand the point. Check out my comment in #545.

The point I and others are making is that Pelosi WOULD NOT wear a head covering inside a western cathedral and likely not even if she met the Pope. I doubt she has worn one since her confirmation.


My point was that Ford was protestant, so Pelosi wasn't even under the pressure of tradition to wear head covering at his funeral.

588 mama winger  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:52:51pm

#586 E2m

I'd vote for her again if she ran against Murray.

which might be difficult given her current condition ...

589 caliredst8r  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:53:42pm

#562 dpatten

Yeah, you're probably right. Just like the museum that has the actual hatchet used by George Washington to cut down the cherry tree. They've had to replace the handle 6 times, and the head 3 times, but it's the bygawd actual hatchet.

590 mama winger  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:56:06pm

To me, the point is this:

Pelosi will subjugate herself to the god of multiculturalism. That is where her true allegiance lies.

591 big L  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:56:43pm

572-E2M-- Yesss! the Donks pick the worst of the women to back and just for the reason you stated--control, no ideas,essentially dopes.
Also the speeches they gove or that are written for them make no sense. Have no discernment or critcal thinking,and no background. Just platitudes, cliche, warm-fuzzzies strung together.
But, the msm picks up the speech to make it a "source"

Unfortunately, I think ol' Pelosi has plans to be President. If Bill's hijinks sink hillarys campaign, then she'd be the next choice by the lefts.

592 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 3:59:14pm

#582 Uncle Joe

Sadly, this is the America Americans have chosen. Nancy in her hijab, blue state schools with their hard left indoctrination, defunding the troops...I'm as frustrated with the Republicans as anybody but the people who stayed home or gave a Dem "protest vote" in the last election have made this mess a hell of a lot worse.

I am thankful that you can honestly see the state of the USA, as well as the world, Uncle Joe.

Thousands fall under the deception on a daily basis, adding to the billions.

593 big L  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:00:23pm

"Bring Me the head of John the Baptist..."
/A-eeaahahahaha-Salome-nancy

594 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:02:53pm

#580 formercorpsman

have you ever mentioned what country you are/were in over there?

I've been living (based) mainly in Germany for almost 6 years, but have been working all over Europe on business over the years (e.g. spent more time in Spain than Germany in 2005). Before that it was Ireland.

595 loflyer  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:02:58pm

It is interesting that Pelosi shows more respect to our enemies in Syria than she does to the American president, the Republican congressional minority, and the majority of American citizens that do not support the Democrats cut 'n run agenda. Pelosi had better get used to wearing the scarf, at the rate she is taking us, it will be mandatory in 10 years. The last two weeks of democrats spending our frigging taxes to buy votes for her asinine anti-war bills beggers the imagination. Ethics? we don't need no stinking ethics! Mark my words, within 18 months after the Americans pull out of Iraq, there will be half a million more dead Iraqis and a major Islamic terrorist strike on the US.

596 strangelove  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:04:57pm

THIS IMAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY THOSE WHO VOTED 'AGAINST' BUSH LAST FALL!

597 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:05:01pm

588 mama winger

If dead people can vote for live politicians, why can't live people vote for dead politicians?

598 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:06:09pm

588 mama winger

It's kinda like that bumper sticker: Nixon 2000. He's not as stiff as Gore.

599 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:06:15pm

Keith Richards: "I Snorted My Father"

Then he smoked his bones.

600 Max Power  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:06:30pm

STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!

601 The flying Kiwi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:07:26pm
Incidentally there are about 5 heads of John the baptist spread around Europe and Asia minor. This one is likely from some poor 8th century Christian beheaded for fun

Yeah I was pondering this. It seems, whether J the B is considered a prophet or not, the mooslums still do not seem to have a problem that this is the head of a JEWISH prophet!

And as to there being 5 heads somes-a-where around the place? No surprises there either. Its a bit like buying a "piece of the cross of Christ" They reckon there is enough wood from the pieces of the "Cross of Christ" floating around to build a 10 story building...and sales are still strong.

602 Odinist  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:10:16pm

#590 mama winger

Excellent point. Some of us strive to be multi-cultural by trying to learn as much as possible about other cultures and respecting, when we can, their traditions when in their countries and places of worship. But the Leftists seem to take it too far. One's personal beliefs, whatever they may be, should be held above all others- to worship multiculturalism by saying 'all cultures are equal and just' is a load of BS...

603 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:11:03pm

#601 The flying Kiwi

"Yeah I was pondering this. It seems, whether J the B is considered a prophet or not, the mooslums still do not seem to have a problem that this is the head of a JEWISH prophet!"

Well, The [bigoted word]s consider all the Jewish patriarchs and prophets as well as Christ and J the B to be Muslim. This despite their pre-dating Mohammad by at least 600 years if not 3000.

604 QueenBoudica  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:12:49pm

It is not "just" a headscarf.

As a Catholic, I cover my head as a sign of respect for my Heavenly Father...if I forget the scarf, my Heavenly Father still loves and cherishes me. And I live to pray another day...

...in a mosque a woman must be covered because she is filth, a beast of burden, a lower life form, a demonic temptress, chattel, meat...if she forgets her headscarf - no problem - no head.

How can you equate wearing a scarf in Church as a humble gesture with being forced to cover your head by a society that believes you are a lower life form because you own a uterus?

605 The flying Kiwi  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:15:23pm
Well, The Muslims consider all the Jewish patriarchs and prophets as well as Christ and J the B to be Muslim. This despite their pre-dating Mohammad by at least 600 years if not 3000.

Ah, (smacks head) what a dumb ass I am, of course! Like the angels having built the al arse'q mosk when the world was created, even though it sits on the ruins of 2 Jewish temples. I really do have to put on my "think-like-a-mooslum" cap when I ponder these matters. Now's where's that tin foil...?/

606 Kaos Hiker  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:16:18pm

I wonder if Maggie was still Prime Minister, would the Iranians still have taken the Brits hostage. I hate to see the world grovel at the feet of International Bullies who need to be squashed.

607 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:17:45pm

#604 QueenBoudica

"How can you equate wearing a scarf in Church as a humble gesture with being forced to cover your head by a society that believes you are a lower life form because you own a uterus?

I realize the question is rhetorical, but...

It's because they believe in the moral equivalency of Christianity and Islam. Also, they are in the thrall of intellectual dhimmitude.

608 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:19:05pm

Madame Speaker -

And on this Seder evening, after the speech you delivered to the Knesset, you look a bit, shall we say, "SHMATADICKA".

-S-

609 VAHighlander  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:19:28pm

Well, I'd like to say first that I called this in the Lizard Lounge the other night. I knew we'd be getting pictures back of Pelosi in a head scarf.

The sad part is that I'm sure she's patting herself on the back for being culturally sensitive. Blech.

610 peck  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:21:55pm

No time to read all comments and maybe someone has already addressed this, just to start, what in the fkng hell is the Fox reporter doing with that silly shit on her head? And now that silly, ridiculous gloating b***h Pelosie? Give me a f...ing break! You do not adopt the customs of foreigners - you may respect their rituals but you do not suck up. Example, Baptist attending Catholic Mass...recieve blessing, no communion. Just sit in your seat or kneel and pray. The displays of these women is beyond belief and takes hypocrosy to hieghts heretofore unknown.
I am not fooled...these people are complete suck-ups and ridiculous beyond words. Do they think these Islamists will somehow skip over their house because they groveled to in such a reprehensible way? How completely absurd. Do they think they will receive some special treatment because they give an appearance? I am physically ill. Apologies for any incoherence and typos. No apologies if I spelled whatshernametraitorpelosies name wrong. I just don't have enough respect for her to CAIR.

611 ec marm  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:21:55pm
612 Allah al fubar  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:23:33pm

Nothing like a leftist-democrat photo op. She looks old... and frightened. And depleted of Botox. Madame Speaker, may I suggest a rigorous Lancome' skin care regimen, and a class in proper couture for the various seasons?

/She is probably wearing white pumps with that fall scarf.

*spit*

613 happy_days  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:23:53pm

I am not commenting on, or defending Pelosi herself, but no women are allowed into any mosque without wearing a head scarf.

If you are travelling in Thailand and you visit a monetary, it is courtesy for men to cover their legs, and most happily do it out of respect. It is mandatory at St Pauls, Vatican City. No trousers, no entry.

Having an issue with wearing a headscarf just to visit a mosque as a tourist seems like a big deal over nothing.

614 Ghengis Khan  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:24:37pm

She wears it so well. You think she practises?

615 religion of bacon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:25:46pm

#599 JammieWearingFool

Very reminiscent of the South Park episode where Cartman thought that Kenny's ashes were chocolate milk mix and "drank him."

Oh Lord, they didn't bring a victim child...

616 Ma Sands  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:27:28pm

#604 QueenBoudica

Amen! :) Also, I have heard, the covering of a woman's hair in a church, is because it is her crowning glory, and in that way, too, it is to humble oneself-- in a way, to make a gesture of granting that that glory was bestowed by Him in the first place... :)

And, just to "keep on track"...the question is raised only because the lady in the picture above, is where she should not be, if she had aligned herself properly under the head of her country.

617 Allah al fubar  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:30:37pm

Did anyone notice the absence of women in photo #2?

Caption for photo #1: "Please don't let them shoot me. Please don't let them shoot me. Please don't let them shoot me. This is my best 'I'm really shitting my pants 'but I'm not' face I can muster. Please don't let them shoot me." "Depends, don't fail me now!"

618 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:31:17pm
619 hippieforlife  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:31:20pm

I just do not know what to say. I'm late to the thread so I'm sure not much is left.

She just seems to be vain, shallow and very (so she thinks) powerful. A dangerous combination.

The caption referring to the Lebanon whatever as her "Lebanese counterpart"!

I just had a flashback to my college days and the rantings of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). They were nothing but thugs, angry with no positive ideas. Now I know where some of them went to. Congress.

620 pbird  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:32:59pm

NY Nana:#287
Thanks for the two minute Haggadah! I've been looking for something almost that brief as it seems every year I give a seder for people, like kids, who don't know anything about it. Their lack of attention span doesn't help the occasion much. Anyhow, I like the structure of it. Think I'll use it for a pattern.

621 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:33:34pm

Somebody needs to sue, under the Freedom of Information Act, to find out exactly what this little political escapade of Pelosi cost the American taxpayers, and then the big question,

For What?

What justification?

I'm sure that she was just looking for an excuse to really stretch her legs on a long international flight, with her newly aquired personal, private government jet.

The only possible thing that Nancy Pelosi could possibly acheive with this trip, is some kind of appeasment/surrender, with the Syrians, and that is a fact.

There hasn't been a Democrat who's been tough on terrorists, since Truman.

622 IowaInfidel  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:34:48pm

Don't miss the video -

"Nancy PeLugosi in: Girls Gone Mild!"

Coming to a mosque near you...

623 IowaInfidel  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:36:52pm

Ok, "Girls Gone Dhimmi!"

Better?

624 Allah al fubar  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:37:06pm

Nancy PeLugosi LOL Iowa. Love it!

625 republic  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:37:48pm
#619 hippieforlife

She just seems to be vain, shallow and very (so she thinks) powerful. A dangerous combination.

The caption referring to the Lebanon whatever as her "Lebanese counterpart"!

Christians seek visas to flee from Lebanon


[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

626 big L  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:39:43pm

587-dpatten-right. she does it to stick a thumb inthe establishment's collective eyes. a phony bum. use the muslims as a weapon against the normal american traditions and stds.Like over-age hippies still fighting their parents.
and she doens't give a crap about a head covering to respect the traditions of the Roman Catholic church.

627 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:40:18pm
628 kepler2007  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:41:45pm

Communist and Islam see eye to eye on more then you think.

They are both collectivist in nature.

The perfect faith for the perfect red.

629 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:47:12pm

Here's Nancy's email address...let that islamo-ass-kissing idiot know what you think...

pelosi@democraticleader.ctsg.com

630 R2D2  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:50:09pm

OT

Palestinian child abuse plus KKK-looking freaks at "Jenin Massacre" parade.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

631 jimsaco  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:55:02pm

Would you criticize a Christian man who put on a yarmulke before entering a temple. I have done so many times, as a measure of respect for another's religious belief, and out of custom.

632 peck  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:55:51pm

As a Catholic, I have no reason to go into any other house of worship unless there are exceptional circumstances. Why must Nancy, BIll, Hillary or anyone else go into a mosque? Other than kow-towing, what is the purpose? Have they all converted? Isn't Nancy supposed to be there for political reasons? Just like coming the the US, you go to the White House (the home of the President), or a government institution (the Captiol). No one is required to visit religious institutions . Give me a complete break here. This is just like forgetting that the Iranians should be held to the Geneva Conventions in the UK sailor abduction. I haven't heard much conversation about that issue. What is with this double standard on every issue? Sorry, rhetorical question. It has been one of those days where it is hard to hold back.

633 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:56:38pm

Jimsaco

Would the Jews beat you if you didn't?

634 QueenBoudica  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 4:59:57pm

# 616 Ma Sands, thanks ;)

Yes, she is a delusional old woman who is under the misguided assumption that she was somehow elected "co-president". In our twisted society the term 'public servant' has been misconstrued to mean, 'the public must serve my goals to create a legacy and a buy summer house in Samoa".

She is showing more respect for thugs and murderers of children that she has for the President of the United States.

Upon her return she should be detained, debriefed, and derided back to San Fransisco as the commoner she is.

635 jopa416  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:00:27pm

She is just trying to show the terrorist that she is "one of them"

636 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:03:34pm

#631 jimsaco

Would you wear the yarmulke if the Jews called you an infidel, waged jihad against you and scream Death to America every chance they get, and plan on forcing you to convert or die? hmmm? If you did, then you are every bit as much an appeasing ass-kisser as Nazi Pelosi and most of Europe.

637 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:04:37pm

#613 happy:

It is mandatory at St Pauls, Vatican City.

I think you mean St. Peter's.

No trousers, no entry.

Now that would be a fun sign to see posted outside the Basilica.

Having an issue with wearing a headscarf just to visit a mosque as a tourist seems like a big deal over nothing.

She is not visiting as a tourist; she is visiting as Speaker of the House. She isn't in Damascus to simply take in the sights; she is visiting an enemy in wartime to beg them to be nice to us. Her submission to the rules of Islam are part of this picture, and don't think for one minute it won't be noticed and trumpeted by the jihadists and their puppet masters as a symbolic victory.

638 dewie  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:05:12pm

My how apropos that they should have ..THE HEAD of St. John the Baptist...in their Ommayad Mosque...
Just an observation...

639 Charles  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:08:18pm

jehu: your abusive language in this thread is over the top. I've received several complaints about it, from people who think it's extremely unpleasant to read, and I agree. This is a warning to tone it down--a lot--or you'll get the stick.

640 ladycatnip  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:12:04pm

Pelosi is a piece of work. What she's doing is no different than one of our reps going to visit Nazi Germany during WWII wearing a swastica *out of respect* for Hitler.

A pox on her politics.

641 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:25:57pm

Here's a lovely snapshot of Pelosi sitting below a very Hitleresque portrait of the Dorktater Assad.

www.sana.org...] target="_blank">

642 dpatten  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:27:35pm

Try again. Preview is my friend. Preview is my friend...

[Link: www.sana.org...]

643 Ma Sands  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:34:21pm

#629 Stuck-in-CA

I have just sent Miss Nancy (the southern way of addressing any lady, great or small :) , an e-mail. Thank you.

644 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:35:32pm

642- dpatten

you have any idea who the older guy with the red tie is?

645 jdun  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:40:02pm

Traitor. 241 American Servicemen die in the Lebanon Marine bombing that was sponsored by Syria.

646 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:43:49pm

643- Ma Sands

Happy to oblige. She deserves all the love notes she gets.

647 uradumone  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:45:26pm

That demon-eyed bitch fits right in with the enemies of America.

648 rtheyserius  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:47:53pm

#534 kevin the ox,
Thank you for that history of the mosque.

#547 formercorpsman -- She was elected to represent her district, not the nation as a whole.

That is an excellent and relevant point.

#613 happy_days -- Having an issue with wearing a headscarf just to visit a mosque as a tourist seems like a big deal over nothing.

You minimize its significance. It's the spirit of the thing that is so outrageous.

A) She's not a tourist. She's Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America.

B) She's there to do some weird bridge-building with a hostile foreign government -- in defiance of the President and the State Department, and...

C) Her disrespect of the United States and the challenge it faces from Islamic terror-supporting nations like Syria is infuriating.

This ain't about her headscarf per se, or whether Catholic women do or don't cover their heads. That is a red herring.

It's about how and why and where she's wearing it, and what it symbolizes. I've read this whole thread and it still infuriates me.

Her trip to Syria, its purpose, and her behavior are outrageous.

649 crosspatch  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:51:52pm

I read a story today about a woman who was sworn in to Kuwait's assembly. She refused to wear a scarf. She ignored calls from men at the assembly to stop the proceeding until she "complied with Sharia regulations" and continued with her oath of office. To her, not wearing the scarf was an act of liberation and defiance at the position women hold in the Islamic community.

Apparently Pelosi has taken it upon herself to reject the strides many brave women are trying to make in the Islamic world. She could have used her high profile visit to act as an example and not wear the scarf. Instead she chose to kowtow.

What a sack.

650 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:54:03pm

Does this Hajib make my butt look fat?

//

651 scaryfast  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:57:12pm
652 ChenZhen  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 5:58:14pm

#547 formercorpsman 4/03/2007 3:16:17 pm PDT

Bottom line, aside from the scarf.

If she was asked by the administration not to go, and has still gone, what was the purpose?

I'm guessing that it's to plant seeds in anticipation of another president taking office in '09. She's probably laying the groundwork for real talks down the line.

And yea, the dramatization of the scarf thing seems pretty silly. As mentioned earlier, Laura Bush wore a hijab in a mosque back in May '05. Here's the LGF thread on the visit, where the scarf subject was virtually avoided.

653 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:02:21pm

In another day and age this sort of mission would have been called treason. Is anyone inside the beltway able to correctly label ANYTHING anymore?

654 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:05:15pm

Laura Bush was accompanying the President who's official visit was legitimate. And I was none to happy to see her in that misogynist bs either.

655 TMF  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:05:53pm

Chen Zhen

"real talks"

If Pelosi and her delusional Democrat pals think that "talks" will get us anywhere with the Syrians- they are worse than delusional

They are insane. And dangerous at that.

Syria was directly responsible for the assasination of Rafik Harari- the only reformist/democratic leader in Lebanon.

They have assasinated dozens of reformers in Lebanon before that. They give safe haven not only to the leaders of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, but Hezbollah and the Iraqi Baathists as well.

Syria is a breeding ground of anti-semitism and anti-Americanism. It is run by a cadre of militaristic thugs who will stop at NOTHING to maintain power.

But im sure when Hillary is president, they'll be ready to drop all that and engage in "real talks"

You and your party are scary, CHen. REAL scary.

Whether your scary evil or scary DUMB im not quite sure.

656 Ma Sands  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:11:13pm

#652 ChenZhen

I do believe the country is supposed to back up its President, as long as he is in office...and, when he is no longer in office, then eyes can be turned toward backing up another President...

657 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:12:09pm
658 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:14:16pm

#652 ChenZhen

I'm guessing that it's to plant seeds in anticipation of another president taking office in '09. She's probably laying the groundwork for real talks down the line.


That's exactly the problem. Foriegn policy in this coutry is set by the Executive branch directed through the State Dept. The dictators in the Islamic world see the Democrats rogue foriegn policy as a weakness they can exploit. Divide and conquer. If the people of the US want to negotiate with Hammas and Hezbollah we'll elect a president to do it. I won't be happy about it but that's the way it is, until then congress has no place undermining the foreign policy of the United States.

659 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:16:39pm

#652 ChenZhen

If she was asked by the administration not to go, and has still gone, what was the purpose?

I'm guessing that it's to plant seeds in anticipation of another president taking office in '09. She's probably laying the groundwork for real talks down the line.

Right, that's just what the country needs: more talk and negotations with terrorist supporting regimes such as the one in Syria. The Assad regime protects and funds the terrorist organization known as Hamas and it supports Hizb'allah. But I doubt these annoyances bother Nancy one bit: her concern is a retreat from Iraq and sure Assad can help with that.

Well, I guess if you're a 9/11 truther and you think Bush = Hitler, then why the heck not enthusiastically support America's sworn enemies? It's called the leftist-Islamist alliance.

660 Ma Sands  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:16:50pm

#658 Killgore Trout

Thank you. You say it better than I. :)

661 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:17:10pm

#652 ChenZhen

I'm guessing that it's to plant seeds in anticipation of another president taking office in '09. She's probably laying the groundwork for real talks down the line.


Then she can wait until and IF -her- president gets elected. For now President Bush is the POTUS whether she likes it or not. She and her friends have absolutely no business establishing a "shadow" government and conducting business behind the back of the established government. This seems pretty common for the Democrats. Ted Kennedy was doing it to President Reagan too.

Her little business of informing the world that the Republicans had sent three congressmen to Syria on Sunday was wildly inappropriate also. Notice they went without fanfare and newspapers awarness. In other words in secret and under governments orders.

As far as the scarf is concerned-that is much to do with nothing. That is nothing but manners for your host. I've noticed most women cover their heads when they go into a Catholic church or cathederal. In Europe, they will evict you (females) from the Catholic cathedral if your head is not covered with a scarf.

662 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:20:23pm

#660 Ma Sands
You did just fine and in fewer words.
;)

663 squarepeg  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:20:51pm

#652 chenzhen

I checked out your link on Laura. LGFers were largely concentrating on the much larger issue of GWB's pandering to the ROP. Laura's wearing that scarf and even entering a mosque at all did not go down well. They were mentioned as subsidiary issues to the larger one.

In any case, it seems to be an odious fact that First Ladies just can't shuck protocol.

664 _remembertonyc  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:21:54pm

it should have been a burka

665 Ma Sands  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:22:15pm

#661 Outrider

The way you put that, brought to mind another example, too: Absalom did it to his father David...

666 ChenZhen  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:25:53pm

655 TMF 4/03/2007 6:05:53 pm PDT

But im sure when Hillary is president, they'll be ready to drop all that and engage in "real talks"

You and your party are scary, CHen. REAL scary.

Whether your scary evil or scary DUMB im not quite sure.

So, do you get real pissed off when prosecutors offer deals to known criminals? You know, they negotiate with despicable people as a means to achieving a greater goal? It sucks, but sometimes thats simply the best strategy in some situations.

So, here's Syria. One of the countries that the ISG said we should talk to to find a resolution to the Iraq situation. You know, the situation that Bush managed to completely FUBAR from the very beginning.

It sucks to have to do it, I know. But it really wasn't the Dems that got us to this point, is it?

667 Defogger  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:25:53pm

#490 Odinist

Exactly my point.

Not only is she wasting our hard-earned tax dollars, she is frittering away the U.S.A.'s reputation in the world by being such a moron.

Oh how I miss Reagan.

668 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:29:15pm

#661 Outrider

In Europe, they will evict you (females) from the Catholic cathedral if your head is not covered with a scarf.

This is a myth of unknown origin. I have lived in Europe for 8 years and been to mass in cathedrals in Germany, Belgium, Poland, the Czech Republic and England and it is fact rare for women to be covering their heads at all, unless they are elderly. Following Canon law and Vatican II it is not mandatory in any sense that women cover their heads in mass and women have not done so for decades. Numerous people upthread, including Catholics in Europe, made this same point. This fact applies to Latin Rite masses and not necessarily to the Byzantine Rite Catholic Church.

669 TMF  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:31:29pm

I do find it amusing that a "democrat" is hobnobbing with a country whose leaders are singlehandedly more responsible for the undermining, destruction, suppression and real-life murder of democracy in the middle east than almost any other.

Chen Zhen

"it really wasn't the Dems that got us to this point, is it?"

You mean other than the 97% of democrat Senators and congressmen/women that voted to authorize the war in Iraq, then voted repeatedly to fund the war and maintain significant troop levels, including the most recent March, 20007 funding bill?

No.

They had nothing to do with it at all.

/Liberal Democrat Chen meet personal responsibility. Personal responsibility- meet Liberal Democrat Chen

You two need to get acquainted.

670 Kaos Hiker  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:34:22pm

Sounds like the Chenzen guy is one of the nutjobs that think We are at War with Iraq, as opposed to At War in Iraq. There is a difference. But people like Him will never figure it out.

671 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:36:05pm

#666 (hmm) ChenZhen

So, here's Syria. One of the countries that the ISG said we should talk to to find a resolution to the Iraq situation. You know, the situation that Bush managed to completely FUBAR from the very beginning.


Yeah, I guess it would be appropriate to talk to Syria as they are one of the leading problems in Iraq right now.

I am confident that if a Democrat had been in charge of prosecuting the Iraq war (and more importantly the occupation) that Democrat would have anticipated all of the problems that have arisen. I mean groups of people willing to kill any and everybody that happens to be there. Sunnis and Shiias? Crap. When them bombs and snipers go off, whoever is there is the victim. Babies? No problem! Women? No problem! Journalists? No problem! Innocent bystanders? No such animal! Who would have foreseen this problem? I know! I know! Of course you and the liberals are all prescient and foresaw the potential for the carnage. Again. Crap. And, you foresaw the Iranians and Syrians jumping in with support. Or is this the day they are not supporting the insurgents? I can't keep up with which story is being touted by the libs on any given day.

672 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:36:59pm
I read a story today about a woman who was sworn in to Kuwait's assembly. She refused to wear a scarf. She ignored calls from men at the assembly to stop the proceeding until she "complied with Sharia regulations" and continued with her oath of office. To her, not wearing the scarf was an act of liberation and defiance at the position women hold in the Islamic community.

Apparently Pelosi has taken it upon herself to reject the strides many brave women are trying to make in the Islamic world. She could have used her high profile visit to act as an example and not wear the scarf. Instead she chose to kowtow.

What a sack.

crosspatch, it is pretty comical when you really think about this whole situation. I did read thtis story, and to think that somehow, when you parse this woman's story with the fact that the Dems are trotting out the tired horse of ERA that is decades old, and quite out of touch with the real world now, that picture of Pelosi puts a stake through the heart of radical feminism.

They have lost their way.

673 meMarc  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:37:59pm

Pelosi looks like Mother Teresa with a face lift.

674 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:38:42pm

#666 ChenZhen
Dude (dudette), Is this really the platform you want to see the Dems run on? Ossama killed 3,000 on 9/11; what's the reward the Dems are willing to offer? Iran wants to nuke Israel; How should we reward them for their initiative? Hammas is blowing up bakeries and wedding: What do they get for that? How much for beheading schoolgirls in indonesia? What's the reward for blowing up children in Beslan? How musc for shooting a Buddhist monk in Thailand?

This might fly in Europe, but in the US the public is not going to vote for a candidate willing to pay for Islamic terrorism. Maybe someday but not yet.

675 jwpaine  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:39:19pm

Is Pelosi now officially a DFC? Or should I say HDFCIC?

676 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:41:00pm

#668 Yank in EU
#661 Outrider

In Europe, they will evict you (females) from the Catholic cathedral if your head is not covered with a scarf.

This is a myth of unknown origin. I have lived in Europe for 8 years and been to mass in cathedrals in Germany, Belgium, Poland, the Czech Republic and England and it is fact rare for women to be covering their heads at all, unless they are elderly. Following Canon law and Vatican II it is not mandatory in any sense that women cover their heads in mass and women have not done so for decades. Numerous people upthread, including Catholics in Europe, made this same point. This fact applies to Latin Rite masses and not necessarily to the Byzantine Rite Catholic Church.


I myself was born and raised in Germany and have traveled extensively throughout Europe and when the borders opened , to Poland and Chechoslovakia (at that time). I left there in 92 the last time. Yes, I saw tourists and others routinely asked to leave the cathedrals or to cover their heads. I know nothing about it being a myth. I have witnessed it more than a few times. Not being a Catholic, I don't know the rules, but I still have photos that have the sign asking the policy be adhered to. Generally, there was a list of things to do or not to do.

677 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:41:51pm

Czechoslovakia. missed it by that much.

678 Bearster  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:44:11pm

#618 taxfree

so, the question comes why can the Republicans not win big, every time

Indeed.

Compare WWII to the WOT. In WWII, we fought in three theaters (not counting fronts). We faced two industrial powers who were more developed militarily than us. We beat them down to utter submission in 4 years. "Please stop, we will surrender unconditionally!"

Today, we face third-worlders in one front, and it's almost 6 years later. The republican leader, seemingly oblivious to history, expects us to continue to throw our military into a sausage grinder. Not for the sake of any US interests, but for the sake of Iraqis!

Why can't they win, you ask? Why don't they want to win?!?

On 9/12, we could have bombed the regimes responsible for jihad out of existence. Bush would have had a mandate (and a supermajority). We could have fought and won the war without loss to American lives. And at very low cost in dollars.

Instead, we have pursued a self-sacraficial policy. Today, we are told that the choice is between continuing to throw our young into the sausage grinder vs. cutting and running.

This false alternative is depressing!

The Repubs seem to realize we have to fight, but they don't want to fight to win.

The Dems want us to lose.

This is depressing, but I said that already.

679 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:46:34pm

#673 meMarc
I think Mother Teresas plastic surgeon was better. At least after her surgery she could still blink normally.

680 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:48:17pm

666 ChenZhen

'Nuff said.

681 rickl  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:48:41pm

#678 Bearster

GREAT comment. I can't add anything except "Seconded."

682 zawg  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:50:09pm

# 541 Occasional Reader

as to the Catholic dentists recommending Tridentine...a great laugh...speaking for myself only...in the words of Christopher Lloyd aka Iggy (Ignatowski) from "Taxi" as to defining colors, well, ok,stuff..if an Orange is an Orange, and a Grape is a Grape, why isn't a Banana a Yellow? Ya dig?

683 Bearster  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:50:09pm

To be 100% clear: I think we need to destroy the jihadis (all of them) for our own sake. For the sake of Americans who fly in airplanes, work in tall buildings, live in cities, or whose enjoyment of life depends on not living through another 9/11.

We can't fight for the sake of the Iraqis. We should give up the Europeans as walking dead.

Neither Germany nor Japan has threatened us in the 62 years since they surrendered. We need to win this one just as decisively, so that in 2069 the middle eastern states are no more of a threat than Japan today.

We can easily win this decisively (or more).

We just haven't chosen to do so yet.

If you're inclined to pray, then pray that their next attack will motivate us to go in and win, but at the same time, that the next attack will be small enough that we can survive it.

I worry about them nuking a dozen US cities at the same time. I don't think that the old republic would survive such an atrocity. I think that the survivors would end up with a skinhead-neonazi regime afterwards.

684 Locrian  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:50:53pm

they need to put a burka on her

685 ChenZhen  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:52:09pm

671 Outrider 4/03/2007 6:36:05 pm PDT

I am confident that if a Democrat had been in charge of prosecuting the Iraq war (and more importantly the occupation) that Democrat would have anticipated all of the problems that have arisen. I mean groups of people willing to kill any and everybody that happens to be there. Sunnis and Shiias? Crap. When them bombs and snipers go off, whoever is there is the victim. Babies? No problem! Women? No problem! Journalists? No problem! Innocent bystanders? No such animal! Who would have foreseen this problem? I know! I know! Of course you and the liberals are all prescient and foresaw the potential for the carnage. Again. Crap. And, you foresaw the Iranians and Syrians jumping in with support. Or is this the day they are not supporting the insurgents? I can't keep up with which story is being touted by the libs on any given day.

Well, Dean was on the right track:

Gov. Howard Dean
"Defending American Values - Protecting America's Interests"
Foreign Policy Address
Drake University
February 17, 2003

There are other risks.

Iraq is a divided country, with Sunni, Shia and Kurdish factions that share both bitter rivalries and access to large quantities of arms.

Iran and Turkey each have interests in Iraq they will be tempted to protect with or without our approval.

Maybe it's safe to say that the Dems would have at least looked at some scenarios?

686 will_not_back_down  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:54:09pm

I'm glad to see my tax dollars fund this trip.

688 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:55:46pm

#678 Bearster
We won the war. It is now an occupation and keeping the boogers off while the Iraqis develop the military and police forces capable of dealing with the problem. This is also the focal point in the war on terror. It is easier to deal with them on that ground than here. It is in our interests not just the Iraqis interest that we are there.

On 9/12 we could have bombed the living crap out of...who? Any, each, and all Arab/Persian countries? Any Muslim country? Indonesia?

We did win the two world wars in a little over four years. But, the occupation still had quite a bit of fight from hold outs. The last Japanese soldier surrendered in the mid 70s? And had been shooting at folks the whole time.

689 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:56:26pm

ChenZhen

So, do you get real pissed off when prosecutors offer deals to known criminals? You know, they negotiate with despicable people as a means to achieving a greater goal? It sucks, but sometimes thats simply the best strategy in some situations.

So, here's Syria. One of the countries that the ISG said we should talk to to find a resolution to the Iraq situation. You know, the situation that Bush managed to completely FUBAR from the very beginning.

It sucks to have to do it, I know. But it really wasn't the Dems that got us to this point, is it?

ChenZhen, I know we will never see it the same way, but I will not be confrontational in my retort.

I understand your point about dealing with unsavory characters, regimes, etc. I think anyone looking at history can make a good argument for both sides of the political aisle making these deals. My problem comes with the track record of the Dem's success at it. I think you could view our attempts with North Korea as a failure of policy.

IMO, from what I have read, with respect to our involvement in the Balkans since 1995, albeit with less coalition deaths, has created nothing more than a vaccum for Islamic domination facilitated by our State Dept.

The Oil for Food issue, well let's face it. This was massive not only in dollar amounts, but when you really think about the humanitarian toll it took on just the children of Iraq, and the fact someone like Kerry place that amount of faith in the U.N. to handle our international security, and sway our autonomy, well, let's just say, it does not parse with my vision of what our country's founding is about.

I think the one thing that resonates the loudest with me, and yes, in my younger years, I was an idealist. Can't everyone just get along? But I started paying taxes, hence, I changed.

As far as the ISG suggesting talks with Syria, we know they are responsible for facilitating a recent war, along with Iran, on one of our allies. They have assassinated freely elected leaders in Lebanon. They have the blood of tens of thousands of Syrians on their hands.

So while it might be the age of aquarius, that you and I agree on the premise of making deals with less palatable beings, I DO NOT hold out hope for the democrats, let alone Pelosi, to make such an aggressive move come to fruition.

Evan Bayh, maybe. Pelosi, I think not.

690 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:57:35pm

#676 Outrider

Not being a Catholic, I don't know the rules, but I still have photos that have the sign asking the policy be adhered to. Generally, there was a list of things to do or not to do.

Hm, that's interesting to me because I have never seen or heard of that happening, having been to masses in cathedrals often. The particular cathedrals I attended regularly were in Altstadt, Dresden and Prague, while the others I only attended once or a few times. Women pretty much all had uncovered heads in my experience. The cathedral in Krakow was certainly more traditional in style and there were more covered heads, but the women in my friends' family and my friend did not cover and there was no issue. The reason why what you describe would be remarkable would be because it is expressly not supported in the 1983 Canon law (the universal rules the church) for Catholics, much less visitors to the church. What I mean by 'myth' is that some non-Catholics seem to be trying to say that head-covering is mandatory, which conflicts with Catholics' experience (such as in this thread) and the many I speak to, as well as current official law.

691 Ma Sands  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:58:00pm

#687 jake1551

Hmmm...you've been registered for 5 1/2 months, and this is your first post...I feel such a reluctance to open your links...how's about you introducing yourself...? :)

692 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:59:51pm

They are discussing on the radio the misinformation that Iran is now spreading that either the US or the Brits were financing and supporting assassins in Iran.

I only WISH.

693 The world of fuzziness  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:00:52pm

#676 Outrider

Yank in EU is right. The signage that you saw in Poland and Czech Republic was about covering naked butts, not naked heads.

694 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:03:27pm

#685 ChenZhen

Maybe it's safe to say that the Dems would have at least looked at some scenarios?


Those same scenarios would have been taken into account when President Bush initiated actions. But, like the author said, all of it was worst casing it, which has not happened, just some of it.

That said, why would the Democrats want to just up and quit? Well, we know they will. History will judge if the action taken by the Democrats were correct. Somehow, I doubt it as appeasment and giving up have never achieved anything except an enslaved or conquered people. Or a longer, harder, costlier fight further down the road. Chamberlain, Petain, Quiseling...just some examples.

695 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:07:59pm

#690 Yank in the EU
What I mean by 'myth' is that some non-Catholics seem to be trying to say that head-covering is mandatory, which conflicts with Catholics' experience (such as in this thread) and the many I speak to, as well as current official law.

Well. I'm not blind. Not easily confused. I'm not a Catholic so am not aware of any rules or laws. I did not attend the masses. I went in to these cathedrals as a tourist. I went in escorting females. They did have to cover their heads with their shawl. Some cathedrals were merely asking women to do so, A couple asked my date to please come back when she had a scarf. I have not been there in the last 15 years. If that makes a difference possibly?

696 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:09:33pm

#693 World of fuzziness

Yank in EU is right. The signage that you saw in Poland and Czech Republic was about covering naked butts, not naked heads.


Thanks for your input

697 m1150  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:16:02pm

Before condemning Nancy Pelosi for visiting Damascus, remember that several Republican secretaries of state have done the same thing:

Colin Powell visited three times and met with Assad each visit. James Baker visited nine times from 1990-92. George Shultz went six times during Reagan's presidency. I count 14 trips by Kissinger.

Republican Sen. Bill Nelson recently traveled to Syria, and Arlen Specter either is going or is planning to.

Sometimes, we have to meet with the bad guys.

698 HornetDriver  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:16:08pm

The highest ranking Democrat in the United States cowering before the "unwritten" precepts of a 7th century pedophile. This picture should be in the dictionary between irony and irrational.

699 jake1551  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:17:00pm

#687 jake1551

Hmmm...you've been registered for 5 1/2 months, and this is your first post...I feel such a reluctance to open your links...how's about you introducing yourself...? :)

sorry, it's just that for those long months i lost my screename 'till i finally found where i placed it.

anyways the links are pics of laura bush in the headscarf since that seems to have been discussed a few times

and here is history on St john and his decapitation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John_the_Baptist# John.27s_imprisonment_and_beheading

700 NortonPete  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:18:07pm

Actually I think the Wicked Witch of the West has a very important value. I'll use myself as an example because, as I always tell my Wife, we are the pulse of America, like many others.
You see, soon after I saw her on TV having organisms to the fame of being Speaker Of The House, I decided to join the NRA. I never even considered joining the NRA, I don't hunt, but seeing Nancy on the scene got a check off.

701 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:19:24pm

#695 Outrider

Well. I'm not blind. Not easily confused. I'm not a Catholic so am not aware of any rules or laws. I did not attend the masses. I went in to these cathedrals as a tourist. I went in escorting females. They did have to cover their heads with their shawl.

No, I'm not trying to say you are being deceitful or something, only that this account does conflict with accounts in this thread from practicing Catholics living in Europe and, more importantly, with the official church law since '83 and typical standards long before that. The thing I am thinking, if you were east of Berlin, is that these may have been Eastern Rite Catholic churches which still do have a law about women covering their heads. Though they are in communion with Rome, their liturgy is often strikingly different and quite similar to the Orthodox church, which btw. also require women to cover heads. The trends of change in the Church seemed to hit Eastern Europe later than the West, due to history and totalitarianism regimes in these areas.

702 creamygoodness  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:21:53pm

This is the depth of the stupidity of the left on display.

703 Bird of Paradise  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:24:07pm

Feel free to criticize Pelosi for her trip, her politics or whatever else you might wish to draw a bead on. But don't critize her for wearing the scarf. First of all, its a mark of cultural respect (just like wearing long pants in Mexico). Second, MandyManners #33 has it correct that many sacred and holy places require that some minimal level of respect be shown in modest dress in order to enter (St. Peter's in Rome in one example).

There is nothing wrong with wearing a head covering. Most Christian women in the Middle East wear them (but are not required to) as a sign of modesty.

704 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:28:44pm

#670 M1150

Before condemning Nancy Pelosi for visiting Damascus, remember that several Republican secretaries of state have done the same thing:

Colin Powell visited three times and met with Assad each visit. James Baker visited nine times from 1990-92. George Shultz went six times during Reagan's presidency. I count 14 trips by Kissinger.

Republican Sen. Bill Nelson recently traveled to Syria, and Arlen Specter either is going or is planning to.

Sometimes, we have to meet with the bad guys.


What did they all have in common? They went representing the government through the state department. Not conducting their own diplomacy as a Speaker of the House and without the approval of the State Department.

705 ChenZhen  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:33:18pm

#694 Outrider 4/03/2007 7:03:27 pm PDT

Those same scenarios would have been taken into account when President Bush initiated actions. But, like the author said, all of it was worst casing it, which has not happened, just some of it.

Did we read the same article? 400,000 troops? That's about what Shinseki said, and he got fired. Rummy originally wanted a fraction of that. Reading that article, one really has to wonder what the basis for Rumsfeld assumptions really was. Unless, of course, they really wanted chaos.

BTW- "Worst Casing" is how we got into this war in the first place. The administration did all kinds of "worst casing" when it came to promoting the war, but apparently thought everything was going to be nice and tranquil in the aftermath.

706 Verity Kindle  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:34:56pm

#604

Well, YEAH. That's it, I mean, it comes down to personal choice. The veil most Muslim women are coerced into wearing (some do choose it, because they are fanatical converts) is not about showing respect for God or anyone else, it's a very specific symbol of a man's specific authority over the woman who wears it. It's called mahram. Her father, brother or husband has the right to keep her at home, to keep her illiterate, to forbid her access to doctors and to mutilate her, because at her core, she is designed to lead other people into sin. "Allah" made her to be a trial to men, which is why she has to be controlled and beaten. She can't even drive a car to pick her kid up from school so he can bring home a giant science project, because no matter how virtuously she lives or how hard she tries, she can never, ever be good enough. I have no idea why European countries are so supportive of mahram and veiling. They've arranged driver's licenses and voting so that they never have to take it off, so women remain dehumanized and invisible. It's almost like Europeans are misogynists or something.
Luckily, we in the U.S. have the Constitution. We can't ban burkhas or chadors or hijabs or face veils or head veils, no matter how much it makes your skin crawl. That's why we're America and they're them.

Oh, and to cite my sources, "My Forbidden Face" by Latifa. Translated by Linda Coverdale. Hyperion Books, New York, Fall 2001. also: "The Caged Virgin" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

707 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:35:03pm

#71 Yank in the EU

No, I'm not trying to say you are being deceitful or something, only that this account does conflict with accounts in this thread from practicing Catholics living in Europe and, more importantly, with the official church law since '83 and typical standards long before that. The thing I am thinking, if you were east of Berlin, is that these may have been Eastern Rite Catholic churches which still do have a law about women covering their heads. Though they are in communion with Rome, their liturgy is often strikingly different and quite similar to the Orthodox church, which btw. also require women to cover heads. The trends of change in the Church seemed to hit Eastern Europe later than the West, due to history and totalitarianism regimes in these areas.


Possibly. After this many years, I left in '92, but I hadn't dated since I got married in 76. So, therein may lie the problem. It was two dates that were asked to leave and that would be pre-'76. Does this make any more sense? I don't recall going into any cathedrals in old East Germany. We were asked to leave one in Augsburg and one in...I'll have to try and remember. The city started with a D and was east of Munich. Not that it is crucial.

708 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:43:17pm

Bird of Paradise

I understand what your statement implies.

Understand as well, she supports radical feminist groups, (NOW) (someone posted a text of their agenda for our religious/cultural institutuions I think earlier on this thread) which are openly hositle to wearing any type of head covering, despite the request of the host.

The issue is not out of respect for culture. She has sponsered, as well as voted for legislation that would directly contradict her capitulation in the here and now.

This is why so many of us have reverence for Fallaci.

She is active in resistence to accomodating a cultural tradition among many inhabitants of her own country, but show more respect for a country like Syria.

The rub.

709 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:43:19pm

#705 ChenZhen

Did we read the same article? 400,000 troops? That's about what Shinseki said, and he got fired. Rummy originally wanted a fraction of that. Reading that article, one really has to wonder what the basis for Rumsfeld assumptions really was. Unless, of course, they really wanted chaos.


And that was under the very worst case scenarios. This would also be the same Shinseki that wanted to have all the armored units removed from the Army?

Yeah, that has to be it! Rumsfield and Bush wanted total chaos and lots of deaths, they wanted to be ridiculed by the libs. Don't forget Cheney. This trio wanted the Iranians and Syrians to bang around in Iraq. Would this be the same trio that bombed the WTC and the Pentagon?
/sarc

710 Kaos Hiker  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:48:40pm

Outrider, I see You fighting the Good fight, But you may as well give up. Clueless people will remain so. They will always believe that the bully is just misunderstood. If you are nice and give him your lunch money. He certainly will leave you alone evermore.
Nancy Pelosi is over licking the Boots of Americas Enemies. That is Disgraceful however You slice it. And Voluntarily wearing the scarf is a blow to equal rights for women no matter how they try to spin it.

711 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:49:04pm

#707 Outrider

Dusseldorf or Dortmund maybe. But yeah, not a vital issue. It may have simply been a church with highly traditional practices -- I have heard of these in Germany.
___

Regarding the head-covering issue with Pelosi, I have no problem at all with her or anyone else respecting a religious practice and custom. One can be respectful and critical at the same time -- one ought to, in fact. But if a Western woman wears the hijab just to talk to a ME leader -- that's pandering and submissive.

The head-covering teachings and practices in Islam and Christianity are vastly different. It has become a symbol of radical Islam's oppression of women because of the way they force it on women, including non-Muslims, even outside the context of the mosque, as well as they way uncoverd women are viewed as arousing or sources of sin for Muslim men. Any effort to draw a kind of equivalence there is misguided.

712 ctrlL  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:50:03pm

608 Dr. Shalit

Madame Speaker -
And on this Seder evening, after the speech you delivered to the Knesset, you look a bit, shall we say, "SHMATADICKA".


I think you said what I was going to add here ... traveling does not wear well on Ms. Pelosi.
/must have given her staff cosmetologist some time off ... oops. Or, the stringers doing the photo ops just aren't as savy and trained to do (think airbrush) as she would like. LOL

// I love that word "SHMATADICKA" .. kinda rolls off the tongue

713 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:58:53pm

#711 Yank in the EU

Regarding the head-covering issue with Pelosi, I have no problem at all with her or anyone else respecting a religious practice and custom. One can be respectful and critical at the same time -- one ought to, in fact. But if a Western woman wears the hijab just to talk to a ME leader -- that's pandering and submissive

.
She wore it to enter a mosque. That is what got me onto the cathedral issue to start with. I cut this off of AOL article:

Wearing a flowered head scarf and a black abaya robe, Pelosi visited the 8th-century Omayyad Mosque, shaking hands with Syrian women inside and watching men in a religion class sitting cross-legged on the floor.
She stopped at an elaborate tomb, said to contain the head of John the Baptist, and made the sign of the cross. About 10 percent of Syria's 18 million people are Christian.


I have absolutely no problem condemning her trip. She is waaay out of line and should receive censure for it. But, I'm not going to jump on this incident. She put it on to enter the mosque.
That said, there have been other examples though where women have to have put on the scarf in order to talk to one of the clowns. A leading female reporter, whose name excapes me was commenting on it just last month or so.

714 poncho512  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 7:59:20pm

I can give Ms. Pelosi one other country where if she visited she would be the highest ranking U.S. official, hello Iran.

715 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:00:48pm

#712 CtrlL
I

think you said what I was going to add here ... traveling does not wear well on Ms. Pelosi.
/must have given her staff cosmetologist some time off ... oops. Or, the stringers doing the photo ops just aren't as savy and trained to do (think airbrush) as she would like. LOL


Maybe she needs to get Edwards (Breck Girls) crew to work for her.

716 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:02:45pm

Is anyone else running real slow reloading pages or posting comments? I've checked my machine and it's good. No problem looking up sources and such, but I'm running reeeaaal slow in here.

717 Sloppy  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:04:33pm

Kinda late and kinda OT. Someone upthread mentioned not seeing women with their heads covered in St. Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin.
Isn't that a Protestant church? Church of Ireland? Akin to Church of England?

718 Yank in the EU  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:06:44pm

#713 Outrider

Oh, I'm with you entirely on these points. I meant my comments under the "---" as just general ones about the thread.

It was Diane Sawyer who did that with DinnerJacket. That's a disgrace and an insult to women.

There's a great story about Oriana Fallaci in 1979 refusing to wear it to interview the Ayatollah Khomeini (I believe). It's somewhere on the web, for sure. Here's part, from Neo-Neocon: [Link: neo-neocon.blogspot.com...]

/nite all

719 peck  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:07:13pm

So, why doesn't she don her 'scarf' (consult fashion guide first) and demand an escort to the nearest Catholic church and attend Mass? Why does Nancy need to wear a scarf to walk by a mosque? Her hypocrisy knows no bounds. There is just no justification for her b.s. because it is just that, b.s.

720 Ma Sands  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:11:20pm

#716 Outrider

All day, it's been that way --for me, at least...

721 ChenZhen  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:18:47pm

#709 Outrider 4/03/2007 7:43:19 pm PDT

Yeah, that has to be it! Rumsfield and Bush wanted total chaos and lots of deaths, they wanted to be ridiculed by the libs. Don't forget Cheney. This trio wanted the Iranians and Syrians to bang around in Iraq. Would this be the same trio that bombed the WTC and the Pentagon?
/sarc

The most likely reason would be war profiteering. But , hey, that's moonbat territory, right?

722 bretwalda  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:21:51pm

I hate to invoke a movie to make my point, but...
This all just reminds me of the themes of "300". People like her would "submit" (And we all know what that means) to pacify. Her wearing that thing on her head is nothing but submission. These savages are laughing at her and in turn, us.

723 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:24:46pm

#721 ChenZen:


The most likely reason would be war profiteering.

You're so stupid, I'm amazed you don't hurt yourself when you type.

So... the evil Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld fascists deliberately wanted chaos in Iraq because it would make them more money, is that right? Because countries in anarchy are of course big, big profit centers. I mean, just look at those mad storehouses of riches known as Somalia and Haiti.

Isn't there an ANSWER rally somewhere you should be preparing for?

724 Edouard  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:31:13pm

703 Bird of Paradise

Feel free to criticize Pelosi for her trip, her politics or whatever else you might wish to draw a bead on. But don't critize her for wearing the scarf. First of all, its a mark of cultural respect (just like wearing long pants in Mexico). Second, MandyManners #33 has it correct that many sacred and holy places require that some minimal level of respect be shown in modest dress in order to enter (St. Peter's in Rome in one example).

There is nothing wrong with wearing a head covering. Most Christian women in the Middle East wear them (but are not required to) as a sign of modesty.

I do criticize her, very much, for wearing the scarf -- i.e., for visiting this mosque at all so that she would be photographed wearing a scarf.

Look, she could have chosen not to portray herself like that and stayed away from that mosque entirely.

It does not does not look good for Americans to have such photographs circulated worldwide of her willingly portraying submission on the soil of a terrorist-supporting regime.

725 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:33:18pm

US principal trading partners for January 2007

These Countries represent 66.80% of U.S. Imports, and 63.07% of U.S. Exports in goods.

Year To Date
Total in Total in
Billions Billions
Country Name of U.S. $ of U.S. $

Canada 42.23 42.23
China 30.00 30.00
Mexico 26.07 26.07
Japan 16.48 16.48
Federal Republic of Germany 10.53 10.53
United Kingdom 7.80 7.80
Korea, South 6.94 6.94
France 5.33 5.33
Taiwan 5.01 5.01
Brazil 4.22 4.22

Yeah, ChenZhen, there's gold in them thar failed states, isn't there? Real basket cases, like Canada and China.

726 phoenixgirl  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:43:22pm

#717 sloppy

It was Catholic until the reformation when England took it over. Went Catholic again under James II. Then back to England after the Battle of the Boyne. Saoirse St. Patrick was Catholic.

727 Outrider  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:56:44pm

#721 ChenZhen

The most likely reason would be war profiteering. But , hey, that's moonbat territory, right?


Ah. I see. The entire Iraqi thingee which started in the mid 90s was actually done for profit. Lets see. That would have to be a conspiracy between Pres Clinton and his crew and Pres Bush and his crew. Unless you are suggesting that Pres Bush and his administration jumped onto the band wagon and merely pushed and prodded until it became a war and THEN then made profit from it. I would guess that Afghanistan is included in this scenario?
Moonbat territory? Well, that is one way to get your statement out there and not claim ownership to it.

OK. You finish this discussion on your own. The whole profiteering remark is just too much. Have fun.

728 really grumpy big dog johnson  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:57:39pm

I bet Nancy was drooling uncontrollably at the thought of seeing the dismembered head of John the Baptist. But since we know that the ROP is FOS, the observation of her orgasmic experience would be no more or less than voyeurism.

Besides, we all know that the whole dog and pony show is pure bullshit in the first place.

She's dead as a non-partisan political figure in the USA. That's her problem.

729 ctrlL  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:59:58pm

#715 Outrider
"Silky Pony" needed his tonight ...
/think Iowa

730 ChenZhen  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 9:04:32pm

#723 Occasional Reader 4/03/2007 8:24:46 pm PDT

You're so stupid, I'm amazed you don't hurt yourself when you type.

So... the evil Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld fascists deliberately wanted chaos in Iraq because it would make them more money, is that right? Because countries in anarchy are of course big, big profit centers. I mean, just look at those mad storehouses of riches known as Somalia and Haiti.

Isn't there an ANSWER rally somewhere you should be preparing for?

I didn't say that they wanted chaos, and I'm not in a position to know for sure. I only wonder why Rumsfeld felt so confident in his plan, given the fact that there were scenarios out there and experts who knew this would be a daunting task even with 5x the troops that he was calling for. I don't have an answer for that, and I haven't really seen an adequate explanation here (other than this stuff was the work of "worst casers", even though the article also said "most likely"). The problems listed in that piece pretty much laid out the reasons why Bush Sr. shied away from taking out Saddam in Gulf War I, IMO. If this was the conventional wisdom for post-invasion Iraq, why would these guys just toss it out the window?

It's simple. Looking at all that's happened in Iraq, it appears we came to the game with half a team, and a plan that was pulled out of thin air. I'm wondering why this happened.

And OR, even Michael Savage rants about the profiteering going on in Iraq. It's not really just an ANSWER thing.

731 Ashtaroot  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 9:09:01pm

Mrs Pelosi's trip to Syria will only embolden the Baathist regime of Assad and give him a false sense of legitimacy and an undeserved level of respect in the Middle East. Syria has been bleeding the life out of Lebanon and silencing any voice calling for democracy in a free and peaceful Lebanon. Syria has successfully stalled the international tribunal for Harriri's assassination for 2 years now and has ensured Hezballah's weapon supply has been replenished after the summer attack on Israel. Syria has opened its borders to the Iraqi insurgents and AQ fighters, who cross into Iraq with one objective: killing our US troops. Personally, Mrs Pelosi's visits insults me on two fronts, as a Lebanese, I consider it a total betrayal to my native country that is being choked by Syria's heavy handedness in its affairs. As an American, it strikes me as a typical moronic gesture by a clueless arrogant liberal who believes that only she can get through to a sadistic dictator like Assad. It is the same people who believe that if only they had a chance to speak to Hitler, they definitely could have reasoned with him. How arrogant is that!

732 descolada9  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 9:14:17pm

At Drudge the picture is captioned "Standing Defiant" or something silly like that. Yet she is submitting to wearing the headscarf. What a stupid, sad, dhimmi of woman she is.

733 ctrlL  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 9:35:46pm

#732 descolada9
"Standing Defiant" means standing against BUSH. There is NO other enemy ...
/nothing else matters to the LLL's

734 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 9:41:39pm

Just read the whole dang thread. The rational arguments made by lizards, BZ's sleuthiness, the Stick invocations, the many beautiful verbal back-alley 'tune-ups' on deserving trolls and the kindly, knowlegable, and well-thought-out responses to both drivel and dribble...

If I was into rating threads, this one would be up there.

:)

Just got a job today. In a factory, which I have never done. Been looking quite a while. I hate it already. Those praying-types among Lizardia? I could use 'em. Cover your melon or not, just pray. thx. Love you all.

735 ChenZhen  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 9:42:03pm

OK gang I'm off to bed. Good debate!

736 Highrise  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 9:45:58pm

Outrider, you are right on target..as usual.


Headscarf, cultural my arse. I'm sick of people seeing this as cultural and needing to be respected. You can not equate it with mere old style churches that are FREE RELIGIONS. She didn't have to even go, she should not have gone, that is NOT her job...not the one she was voted to do.

737 really grumpy big dog johnson  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 9:50:37pm

Nobody wants to hear the truth. The truth?

Here's the truth. When a rogue country defies international condemnation to rush to gain a nuclear weapon, a weapon that they have internationally declared that they will use to exterminate a people, a country, off the face of the earth...

When that same country avows to bring the domination of Islam to every non-islamic country on the planet, and does not modify their stand for any argument against that cause...

When that country has repeatedly taken innocent hostages and used them for crass political purposes, all the time believing that their status as an energy state will protect them from harm...

When a country as official policy denies the holocaust and declares that Israel must be exterminated, and that the United States is the devil, and refuses to cooperate in an international way about their fundamental problems...

When a country refuses to withdraw from being a rogue state, terrible consequences are the natural result. The United States is viewed by the liberal nanny-states of Europe and beyond as a bully and tyrant, primarily because we used atomic bombs twice against Japan in a war of attrition.

Go ahead, ask them how much they actually care about that island nation. Better yet, ask them how many other states could have made the "ultimate mistake" of using unbelievably powerful weapons of war in a World War at that particular time. Ask them if they would or wouldn't have done the same, if their country was the one that everyone looked toward as saving the entire world from a Nazi holocaust on their own shores.

I'm sick of appeasement and cowardace. We should speak very frankly to Iran and let them understand that their position is untenable and will inevitably lead to their destruction as a viable entity on the world stage unless they back off from their terror agenda. We should announce our attentions to the entire world and set a deadline date beyond which there is no point of return.

There's little use in being the world's premier superpower if we are unwilling or unable to use that power to prevent widespread chaos. If we sell Israel down the drain we will lose any credibility as a nation.

It's time to tell Iran to free the British hostages, and we aren't taking no for an answer. People die in war and peace, and some people become the unfortunate but necessary pawns of war versus diplomacy.

Nancy Pelosi in a hijab is a non-event to me. British subjects unfairly detained in an Islamic nation-state as pawns of public opinion is entirely a different situation. We should make it absolutely clear that we will not tolerate a violently hateful religion state that intends to exterminate the people of a sovereign democratic nation to continue upon their course toward annihilation. A civilized people will not tolerate the forced move toward domination of an inferior state.

In short, Iran must be clearly informed that their intentions will likely lead to their destruction as a nation, and that we or any other state that chooses to oppose their actions shall not be liable for their demise.

We are not the bad guys here. We had the bombs, we used them. Nobody else stood up or had the capability. It doesn't make us immoral to be who we are. It IS immoral to advocate for the extermination of a significant minority of mankind for the reason of racial hatred. Agendas like these cannot and should not be acceptable to us as a people, not now or ever.

Iran is teetering on the edge of destruction, and it's high time that someone sets them straight before it's too late.

It's the least we can do.

738 ReverseTaqiyya  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 10:01:54pm

Does Nancy Pelosi's wearing of the hijab mean that she also endorses the following top 10 Islamic teachings regarding women:

1.) Islam teaches that in addition to other deficiencies, women have no fewer than ten 'awrat', which are defined as ‘shameful orifices including, or resembling, her external genitals’: Kanz-el-'Ummal, Vol.22, Hadith No. 858 "Women have ten 'awrat'. When she gets married, the husband covers one, and when she dies the grave covers the ten."

2.) According to a 'faultless' hadith, not only does the woman have ten 'awrat, she is seen as one herself: Ihy'a 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Beirut, Vol 2, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 65: " The woman is 'awrat'. When she goes outside (the house), the devil welcomes her."

3.) Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301: " The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

4.) Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."

5.) Tabari I:280 "Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."

6.) Bukhari:Volume1, Book22, #28 "The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"

7.) Qur'an 4:43 "Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving." [The Qur'an claims women are unclean and polluted—worse than dirt.]

8.) Ishaq:584 "Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman."

9.) Qur'an 4:11 "Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females…. These are settled portions ordained by Allah."

and

10.) Qur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better."

Oh, and was the fall pattern on her hijab trying to tell the Syrians that America is in their 'autumn' and will surrender to the Jihadists when the Dihmicrats take office in 2 years?

739 ctrlL  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 10:04:36pm

#737 really grumpy big dog johnson
#738 ReverseTaqiyya

AMEN

740 yesandno  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 10:14:25pm

Pelosi wouldn't have entered the Vatican for mass without a head covering...so entering a Mosque should probably demand the same.

Thing is she doesn't belong in a Mosque in Syria...what of separation of Mosque and state...

Fact is she doesn't belong in Syria...

Who the hell named her a diplomat and gave her permission to negotiate on the part of the US? She is the leader of the HOR, and should have stayed home and got that bill passed for the US military because the Pres...who knows HE is the Pres...is going to veto that piece of crap Nancy brought up for a vote...

Don't fault her for the scarf in a "religious" building. Fault her for being in Syria...PERIOD.

A tool...When is she going to Darfur to broker the peace between the extremists and the victims of genocide?...

Waiting to here...

Nothing?

What a surprise...

741 jake1551  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 10:29:17pm

The White House and members of The War Party are going nuts over Pelosi’s trip to Syria. But why such a strong reaction?

on Sunday, three Republican House members, Frank Wolf (VA), Joe Pitts (PA), and Robert Aderholt (AL) met with Syrian President Bashar Assad.

In a statement issued by the U.S. Embassy in Damascus, the congressmen said “We came because we believe there is an opportunity for dialogue. We are following in the lead of Ronald Reagan, who reached out to the Soviets during the Cold War.”

742 A.M. Mora y Leon  Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:03:14pm

I've been to the Muslim world and I've walked around their mosques and been treated as a special guest by devout Muslims. NOT ONCE did they make me put on a veil or do anything to impose their religion on me. They knew I was Catholic and they respected that. This headscarf show is purely submission by Nance in a bid to suck up to her Islamofascist masters. No westerner does that unless she wants to do that. Knowing what real Muslims are like, this is clearly kowtowing from Nance. It makes me sick.

743 Verity Kindle  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 12:28:52am

"5.) Tabari I:280 "Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."

6.) Bukhari:Volume1, Book22, #28 "The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"


Sure, whatev. I'm mellow. I'm MELLOW< DAMMIT>.
Mohammed, I would like to eat some pork chops and vomit in your lap, but I'm not going to the Ninth Circle when I die, so I guess I'll never get the opportunity! Oh well! tra la la
Now that my blood pressure is up, I'm going to sleep.

744 livinginfrance  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 12:38:15am

A good point is that she did make the sign of the cross in front of John's head, of course she was with members of a regime that bombed the Islamic quarter in Hamah to 72-virginland, though I doubt she even knows Hamah happened and surely wouldn't've have given the sign-of-the-cross in Tehran.
I, myself, would love to visit Damascus and that mosque and hope to do so before the brotherhood takes over that country too.

Remember that women must (or used to have to) cover their heads in Catholic churches and that men must still take their headgear off. Maybe Nance thought she was in the church section of the mosque. Ha ha

Second thing which might have nothing to do with anything, last Christmas two different Muslim/Arab named men in Paris said, "Merry Christmas" to me, and meant it, whereas my own sister in New York refuses to say Merry Christmas.

745 Outrider  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 12:42:23am

#741 Jake1551

In a statement issued by the U.S. Embassy in Damascus, the congressmen said “We came because we believe there is an opportunity for dialogue. We are following in the lead of Ronald Reagan, who reached out to the Soviets during the Cold War.”


Probably because the State Department approved this visit. You will note that it was done without fanfare and extensive news coverage which probably means it was not meant to be publicized. Diplomacy to open up doors is not always best served in the public eye right away. Thanks to Ms Pelosi's announcement, that went the way of the wind. Of course, the same people that criticize the president for "shunning" Syria are probably the same people that will slam dunk him for trying to open a dialog. Go figure.

746 vincep1974  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 2:46:23am

Unleash the Kracken!

747 Ledger1  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 3:15:44am

Pelosi is an asshat.

Er… Pelosi is wearing an asshat.

Oh, it's both!

748 Lion of Zion  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 4:04:25am

majad'le the israeli arab minister a few weeks ago would not put a kipa on his head when speaking in a synagouge, i bet she had no problem doing anything they asked ...

749 snakespit  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 5:38:21am

The Syrian press is happy about Pelosi's visit. This from debkafile:

April 4, 2007, 11:00 AM (GMT+02:00)
Prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan visited president Bashar Assad at his palace in Aleppo Tuesday, as the Syrian press hailed the Democratic Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Damascus, against the White House wishes, as a diplomatic victory for the Assad regime

What a shameless pig she is.

750 continuum  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 6:09:15am

As an old Catholic myself, I still remember the days when ALL women covered their heads before going to Mass. If a woman forgot to wear a hat, or a head scarf, they would bobby-pin napkins to cover their head before an usher would allow them to enter.

I expect that putting a scarf on her head would be something that Nancy Pelosi well remembers from her youth as a Catholic school girl. (I can remember nuns pinning the paper napkins in place on girl's heads when they took them to daily mass.)

A few years back, I didn't enter a Roman Catholic church in Mexico, because they asked that people not wear bermuda shorts. I respected their wishes.

Also, next time you visit a synagogue and you're given a yamulke to wear, show your independence and tell the Rabbi that you live in Amerika and won't honor his synagogue. See how far that gets you.

Point being, is that when you enter someone's else place of worship, you should at least respect their rules of deportment.

751 continuum  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 6:29:57am

"Who the hell named her a diplomat and gave her permission to negotiate on the part of the US? "

Seems that the people of her home district elected her. Unlike others on this board who merely bought a Dell laptop to express their views, she actually got elected.

"She is the leader of the HOR, and should have stayed home and got that bill passed for the US military because the Pres...who knows HE is the Pres...is going to veto that piece of crap Nancy brought up for a vote..."

The House did pass the funding bill. They've allocated the money. It's the boy-president who says he will veto the money.

752 TalkinKamel  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 6:46:20am

The problem is, Islamic women don't just have to cover their heads in the mosque; they must wear the hijab all the time---if not a burkha, or a body bag that covers them completely, all the way up to the eyes. Catholic women, even in the old days when they had to cover their heads, always took their scarves off when they left church, and nobody arrested them for "immodesty." The two situations really aren't equivalent.

And Nancy playing along with Islam's hatred of women is not a good sign.

(She seems, by the way, rather unclear on where she is, and what's really going on, if she's making the Sign of the Cross in a mosque.)

753 TalkinKamel  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 6:53:04am

There's also the much more serious point that, as others on this thread have pointed out, Pelosi was asked not to go to Syria by the president, went anyway and seems to think she has authority to wage diplomacy on her on. She doesn't.

754 TalkinKamel  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 6:56:10am

And cotinuum, Nancy was not elected by her district to be diplomat. She just doesn't have that authority. The president asked her not to go to Syria, so she shouldn't have gone.

And, yes, the jihadists are indeed going to use her visit, and the picture of her in the scarf, as propaganda. Nancy really isn't helping her country much by this.

755 continuum  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 7:04:49am

"And cotinuum, Nancy was not elected by her district to be diplomat."

Well, not being a mind reader, I can't exactly say what her constitutients thoughts were. But, since she is representing San Francisco, my bet is that she is doing exactly what her constitutients want her to do.

As for carrying on diplomacy, as second in line to the Presidency, she should as a matter of necessity gain a clear understanding of the people who are governing other nations. (Last time I checked she wasn't negotiating any treaties.)

She, more than the current Republican congressmen now in Syria, has a more immediate and pressing need to talk to the leaders of other countries.

756 m1150  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 4:13:06pm

#704 Outrider:

Bill Nelson wasn't representing the State Department. The three GOP House members mentioned above weren't representing the State Department.

757 vincep1974  Wed, Apr 4, 2007 6:14:31pm

>my bet is that she is doing exactly what her constitutients want her to do

Uh, who gives a fuck? It's not her job.. you know that Constitution thing.


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