CIA

the ME is spiraling downward

Brent Sadler is a stooge.

The speakers peace overture certainly worked well this time!

Nothing to see here, move along...

His blood is on Nancy's hands

military sports club

Huh?

The center cannot hold.

Would it be wrong to send Nancy Pelosi a note stating that, "She has blood on her hands..."

just wondering...

Is this the opening salvo in this summer's war?

Time to give them the Golan as well.

Beshar Assad says hello!

Preparatory steps for an alll out war by the Iranians. May God protect and defend Israel.

That's just terrible. And to think that Lebanon used to be a relatively nice place, years ago, or so I'm told.

We should have invaded Syria before or simultaneously with Iraq.

Pelosi will never believe she bears any responsibility, either.

As if the Lebanese needed any more reasons to despise syria.

Wonderful people. Let's engage them in constructive dialog & give them back the Golan Heights!
/

I am thinking - perhaps "hoping" is all - that this assassination will be "a bridge too far" for the thugs in Damascus.

His blood is on Nancy's hands

Do you really think Assad needed Pelosi's stupidity to do this? Come on. She's an idiot but she is no more responsible for this than Condi is for Force 17 members getting chucked off rooftops in Gaza (or did they do the chucking?)

So Nancy cozied up to a murderous dictator while simultaneously thumbing her nose at the sitting US president and the UN.

What possible harm could come from that?

Aside from this assassination, of course.

Good job, Queen Botoxia!

But, but, but...I thought Nancy looked into Assad's eyes and peered into his soul!

Walid? Probably Christian.

Point being that the Christian Lebanese need our help. Even though everyone of them would turn around and condemn Israel, and the USA the first chance they get...

For the last three days I have had the following lines running through my head like a foul wind:

The darkness drops again; but now I know

That twenty centuries of stony sleep

Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,

Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Yeats

Worse yet, there's a darn good chance it might just be Bethlehem at that.

I'm sure the UN will get around to checking on this in the next few years.

Assad has no reason to fear. Rice's State Department is pushing for direct talks with Syria and Iran to negotiate an orderly surrender in Iraq, and no matter how many UN commissions meet to investigate Syrian assassinations in Lebanon, they'll never go beyond strongly worded condemnations.

We need to negotiate with them STAT. They only want peace. We are fools to ignore such overtures.

Syria needs a sharp lesson.

Blaming Pelosi for this is about like blaming Bush when Al Qaeda blows up a Mosque in Iraq. This proves Pelosi is a chump for thinking Assad was anything but the brutal dictator he is. But Assad was assasinating Lebanese government members long before Pelosi went on her mission of mercy and understanding.

Report: Beirut blast kills anti-Syrian Lebanese MP

Published: 06.13.07, 18:41 / Israel News

A blast in Beirut on Wednesday killed anti-Syrian MP Walid Eido, one of his sons and two other people who were with him, security sources said.

Eido was a member of Saad al-Hariri's majority bloc in parliament. (Reuters)

Going back Nancy? [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Pelosi is a master of diplomacy.

Walid simply means first born.

I am going to Israel on Sunday. Do you think this is going to cause a regional war?

Yes, but go anyway. Israel is the safest place to be in a war.

Rice better not abandon the Lebanese in order to get Syria's help with Iraq..

Lebanon is our best Arab ally (minus Hebollah)

Syria's thugs in Lebanon are likely behind this, and will most certainly attempt to kill more anti-Syrian politicians in order to derail the Hariri investigation/tribunal that will put to rest once and for all Syria's involvement in that assassination - including Bashar's inner circle.

al-Reuters reports the death toll is now 8.

OT: cross post -

CBS has declared that "Hamas is winning the civil war." They didn't even have to go through a quagmire phase.

Bush's fault. That warmonger is pushing the Syrians-Hezbos-AQ's-Hamas to ever greater acts of violence.

We need a peace summit.

/off

Too bad the MSM is to cowardly to post a story about this incident and admonishing Nancy Pelosi for her kissing the ass of the terrorist thug who's obviously pulling the strings on these assassinations.

Great Lebanese blog to follow during crisis points in Lebanon

Beirut to the Beltway

BTW, Assad is an Alawite Muslim, and theologically, the Alawaites are far closer to Shia than they are to Sunni Islam, which may be one bridge between supposedly national socialist (ie, Ba'ath) Syria and theocratic Iran. Not to mention Iran has oil money to spend on terrorism, and Syria borders Lebanon and Israel.

Just something to think about, Syria has no problems targeting political leaders and innocent civilians in Lebanon, and Iran is hard at work developing a nuclear weapon.

Iran doesn't even really need to figure out how to mate a nuke to a medium range missile, if they can get a nuke into a bordering state.

#7 Peacekeeper 6/13/2007 9:06:41 am PDT

The center cannot hold.

Good grief, you too?

Surely we have a full arsenal of cruise missles and boat or plane crews that need the practice.

Another Baathist / terrorist regime at work. Can't wait for the toothless international condemnation..

Iran moves to execute porn stars

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's parliament on Wednesday voted in favor of a bill that could lead to death penalty for persons convicted of working in the production of pornographic movies.

With a 148-5 vote in favor and four abstentions, lawmakers present at the Wednesday session of the 290-seat parliament approved that "producers of pornographic works and main elements in their production are considered corruptors of the world and could be sentenced to punishment as corruptors of the world."

The term, "corruptor of the world" is taken from the Quran, the Muslims' holy book, and ranks among the highest on the scale of an individual's criminal offenses. Under Iran's Islamic Penal Code, it carries a death penalty.

The "main elements" refered to in the draft include producers, directors, cameramen and actors involved in making a pornographic video.

The bill also envisages convictions ranging from one year imprisonment to a death sentence for the main distributors of the movies and also producers of Web sites in which the pornographic works would appear.

Besides videos, the bill covers all electronic visual material, such as DVD and CDs. Other material, such as porn magazines and books are already banned under Iranian law.

To become law, the bill requires an approval by the Guardian Council, a constitutional watchdog in Iran.

It is widely believed that the drafting of the bill came about as a reaction to a scandal last year, when a private videotape, apparently belonging to Iranian actress Zahra Amir Ebrahimi and allegedly showing her having intercourse with a man, became available across Iran.

The videotape was leaked to the Internet and released on a black market DVD, becoming a full-blown Iranian sex tape scandal. Ebrahimi later came under an official investigation, which is still ongoing. She faces fines, whip lashing or worse for her violation of Iran's morality laws.

#32 WeaselZipper

Lebanon is our best Arab ally (minus Hebollah)

There's the rub; They're a great potential ally but Hezbollah still retains it's private army and is also part of the government. Unsless The Lebanese dissarm Hezbollah or crush them militarily I'm afraid the Lebanese aren't going to be much help.

Codi Rice will get a stern face and a finger and demand more talks.

MSNBC is reporting at least eight dead in the blast.

The Lebanese Broadcasting Corp. said the explosion came from a bomb-rigged car, a method that has been used to assassinate opponents of Syria over the past two years. Syria has been accused of meddling in Lebanon's affairs, particularly by supporting the militant group Hezbollah.

Screams of agony
The body of woman, covered in blood, was seen being pulled away from the seen by local residents. She was screaming in agony. Another man was being carried away as police sealed off the area, which is near an amusement park and a military club.

The explosion shattered windows of apartments in the area, knocked down walls and scattered debris on top of parked cars.

The explosion was the latest in a series to hit Lebanon in the last three weeks as Lebanese troops battled Islamic militants in a Palestinian refugee camp in the northern part of the country.

Iran's parliament on Wednesday voted in favor of a bill that could lead to death penalty for persons convicted of working in the production of pornographic movies.

Great. So now anytime some poor Eastern European 20 year old sold into sexual slavery for the pleasure of Iranian men in an Iranian brothel causes some slaver trouble, they will have a great law to get rid of her with.

#45 Killgore Trout

I'll clarify, the Christians and Druze of Lebanon our are allies.

Both of these groups oppose everything Hezbollah does and stands for. It may come down to another civil war to solve the problem. That will be the time to step it up and arm these two groups.

The road to peace in the Middle East blowing up other governments' officials runs through Damascus

fixed!

As much as I dislike Pelosi (and that's a lot) and as wrong as it was for her to go to Syria and meet with the leaders there, it's really wrong, IMO, to blame her for this.
The Lebanese have been fighting (and for the most part losing) Syria for ages now. That Syria probably is responsible for this is, I think, a correct assumption.
But it's wrong to blame this on Pelosi.

#13 lurking faith:

That's just terrible. And to think that Lebanon used to be a relatively nice place, years ago, or so I'm told.

It's true. Lebanon was a popular vacation destination for Europeans, back in the '50s.

Of course, back then, Lebanon was a Christian majority country.

That was before millions of Muslims came across the border from Syria and out-bred the Christians.

We're not the only country with an illegal immigration problem...

A car was in flames and black smoke was seen rising from a narrow street off the main waterfront in Manara, which is in the Muslim sector of the capital. The Lebanese Broadcasting Corp. TV station said the explosion came from a bomb-rigged car, a method that has been used to assassinate opponents of Syria over the past two years

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

#13 lurking faith:

That's just terrible. And to think that Lebanon used to be a relatively nice place, years ago, or so I'm told.

beirut was once called Paris of the ME, then the civil war tore it to shreds.

No one is really blaming Pelosi on this one, just showing how dumb her visit was. I'll bet when she looked in his eyes she saw someone whe could work with.

OT

Here's one for Charles! ROP at it again.

Militants kill four Buddhists in southern Thailand

#49 WeaselZipper - I would suggest, in a more rational world, that it would be the time for us to step IN and actually provide our military to support, not just arm, the Christians and Druze.
Alas, I think if we could militarily neuter Iran first (which we can do without using nuclear weapons and without putting a lot of boots on the ground) then the job of dismantiling Syria and letting the Lebanese sort thing out for themselves would be so much easier and accomplish so much more.

#45 Killgore Trout:

Unless The Lebanese dissarm Hezbollah or crush them militarily I'm afraid the Lebanese aren't going to be much help.

Nice theory, but I don't think the Lenbanese government's going to do much "crushing" with their 15,000-man, primarily Muslim, army.

Meanwhile, the Lebanese military claims that they're now in control of the Nahr al-Bared camp where Fatah al Islam had holed up.

Syria has its grubbies all over these events in Lebanon, and that the Syrian government is not being taken to task is troubling, but not surprising given that Pelosi and others - including the pseudorealists of the ISG report, think that Syria can be bargained with and would hold to their side of the deal.

Dealing with Syria is nothing short of a suicide pact. Syria's proxies are able to take out their opposition and act freely while Syria can claim that they're not involved.

Everyone knows that isn't the case, and yet no one is willing to put a stop to it.

Assad is signaling he wants to play for keeps. This is a good thing, if we have the guts to take him on.

/silver lining dept.

35 karmic_inquisitor

The fail to mention that "The better armed and disciplined Hamas forces" are better armed because they took the weapons the US gave to Fatah and better disciplined because they are Iranian trained.

Just dawned on me...

here's my 2008 Republican Ticket, just because it sounds right...

The Thompson Twins! Fred and Tommy!

Reports are now 10 dead.

Why is everyone harping on Pelosi?

It is Rice who has the power, and it is she who is not only trying to 'engage' Syria, but actively chasing the Iranians for a cozy sit down.

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed,
And everywhere, the ceremony of innocence is drowned.

On "engaging" Syria,

What is the lesson from all this? Talking to Syria is useless. There's nothing to talk about. Our interests and theirs are diametrically opposed. This is precisely why France's Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said: "We are ready to talk with all personalities and representatives of groups who are in favor of Lebanon's unity, its autonomy and its territorial integrity. This clearly means we don't have to talk to Syrian leaders."

65 Maine's Michael 6/13/2007 9:32:24 am PDT

Why is everyone harping on Pelosi?

It is Rice who has the power, and it is she who is not only trying to 'engage' Syria, but actively chasing the Iranians for a cozy sit down.

She is writing a stern letter now...Assad should be shaking in his boots.

#60 lawhawk - Please see my #58; if we lived in a current reality where President Bush coulld do what I suggested in #58, I do think many of the problems of the ME would be taken care of (and fuck Harry Reid). We have to get to the source of all these problems, which is Iran and Syria. Period.

Gaza up in flames, Lebanon spiraling down, Iraq "as usual", Iran aggressive...
if this can of [DELETED] explodes, the smell will reach everywhere.

/P-L in Yoda mode...

#65 Maine's Michael

Why is everyone harping on Pelosi?

It is Rice who has the power, and it is she who is not only trying to 'engage' Syria, but actively chasing the Iranians for a cozy sit down.

A. Because it's fun
B. She engaged in an illegal activity and will get away with it
C. She probably sent Assad some mixed signals that no doubt enboldened him

Anybody got others?

Mother of Eight Planned Suicide Terror Attack in Israel

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Good advice from Beirut Spring,

I just HAVE to get this off my chest:

Hello Mr. Hariri, please watch carefully what’s happening in Gaza and think of this:

There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..
There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..
There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..
There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..
There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..
There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..
There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..
There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..
There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..
There is no such thing as Saudi Guarantees..

The best way forward is to stick to the principles of March 14 (a strong, sovereign and independent state) so please don’t sell out in the name of phoney national unity…

Signed:
A Lebanese Sunni you can’t take for granted

It's times like this when I ask myself "What Would Phil Leotardo Do?"

#67 Kenneth - good post and great link. I would simply change the last sentenance as follows: "This clearly means we don't have won't to talk to Syrian leaders."

#69 Realwest

President Bush could do what I suggested in #58

He could.
And why he doesn't is a total mystery for me.
And a reason to become more and more aggressive for Iran and the other [DELETED].

Pelosi is a worthless tool. Anyone with a brain should recognize that and it should come as no surprise she's being duped. Code Pink is capable of doing that.

The man I voted for President twice has said equally as stupid things. For instance, with respect to Vladimir Putin:

I was able to get a sense of his soul, a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.

Face it, the leadership in both American and Israeli governments has never been weaker - no matter what party you're voting. Hopefully, God will soon send us someone worthy of our great countries because right now, I'm not seeing anyone in the wings.

#65 Maine's Michael

Unfortunately there is absolutely no shortage of stupidity in DC on both sides of the aisle. Pelosi's trip however was especially damaging because it showed a lack of unity.

Condi saying something, regardless of how stupid, can eventually be "taken back" by an official poicy shift. Pelosi will always be a traitor to this administration which weakens the impact any official policy shift will have because she created the impression there are 2 governments at work in the US.

70 Poitiers-Lepanto 6/13/2007 9:37:53 am PDT

Gaza up in flames, Lebanon spiraling down, Iraq "as usual", Iran aggressive...
if this can of [DELETED] explodes, the smell will reach everywhere.

/P-L in Yoda mode...

It was foretold

...The burden against Damascus. "Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1 )

#76 Poitiers-Lepanto - I agree with you that legally he could; but with the current approval ratings, he would face an even more hostile Congress and perhaps even more Republicans would jump the fence and get involved in not funding our efforts in Iraq and trying to force us to withdraw our troops from Iraq.
I'd be happy if he just had the balls to take out Iran.
And I think he might!

. . #27 Judith
. . But Assad was assasinating Lebanese gov't members
. . long before Pelosi went on her mission of mercy & understanding


Yup, she knew full well about the Syrians prior to her little visit.

All the more reason to view her with contempt.

#65 Maine's Michael

You're right - we should be sneering at Condi Rice juat as much as Nancy Pelosi for cozying up to Syria.

As for blame, it's obviously not direct blame. But anybody who publicly and voluntarily kisses the a** of a murderous thug, and says the thug is good to work with and should be supported, does deserve a share of the guilt when that thug sends his minions out to murder again.

Why are our leaders giving aid and comfort to our enemies? Suicidal fools.

Natalie, I couldn't agree with you more, which is why my one post referenced looking into his eyes.

Being an American ally in the Middle East doesn't seem to do much to enhance a nation's security.

While America continues 50 years of futile negotiations with the Middle Eastern thugs and Israeli leadership continues to foolishly worry about what American leadership thinks, the real enemies continue to build:

(1) Russia
(2) Red China

Man, is the climax of history setting up beautifully just like it was told 2,000+ years ago.

#84 avideditorla.com,

The Jews are the Most Optimistic People in the History of Mankind™. (Either that, or the dumbest.) The world is going to hell in a handbasket - very close by, north, south and west of them! - and Israel is gearing up to play BASEBALL!

My "son" is leaving on Monday to play on the Ra'anana team.

/I am not going to allow myself to worry...

Russia is dieing, literally, it is losing population each year. China is more frightening.

Have any of you lizards seen the futuristic movie "Escape From New York"?
Let's just throw up a giant wall around all of the middle east (with the exception of ISRAEL, THE ONLY CIVILIZED COUNTRY THERE), and in a year pave what remains and let the Israelis use it as a giant parking lot.

What happened to the lines about it "all being America's fault" because of Israel/occupation/racism/kaffirism along with the standard accusations of "false flag" operations by the CIA/Mossad/Illuminati/Boy Scouts and a demand for "better understanding of Islam" because "irresponsible reporting like this" was driving people into the arms of the youths/radicals/freedom fighters/terrorists?

Honestly - MSM - can't get it right, won't get it right and don't have a clue ..

...a man of Assad is on someone's hitlist...

Wow, the ROP has been busier than usual all over the world in the past week. Watching Islam around the globe devouring itself like a flesh eating disease is rather amusing. May it continue uninterrupted.

Judith how is Israel the safest place to be in a war?

Israelis know how to behave in a crisis. Israeli security is the best in the world. Stay in Tel Aviv, outside of missile range. Enjoy the complete lack of other tourists and visitors who always flee like rats deserting a sinking ship at the first hint of trouble. get great deals on everything from cab fares to restaurant charges because they are vying for your dollar, and enjoy the near empty beach. My daughter was in Israel through the war last year and except for having to cancel her planned side trip to Naharia and she had a great time. plus she was able to do some good, spending tourist dollars, doing some volunteer work ect. In some ways yoou get to see Israel at her best during a crisis.

And if you're getting in the way, or are in any real danger, they throw you out of country fast enough.

I am not going to allow myself to worry...

Don't worry. After I went to visit my daughter there this past April I no longer worry about terrorism. I worry about her crossing the street and all those handsome fit buff Israeli men who all seem to have an insane passion for blond Canadian girls of mostly Scandinavian descent.

#93 Judith,

Enjoy the complete lack of other tourists and visitors who always flee like rats deserting a sinking ship at the first hint of trouble. get great deals on everything from cab fares to restaurant charges because they are vying for your dollar, and enjoy the near empty beach.

LOL. So I should wait for my dream trip to Israel when it gets really hot under the collar? Actually sounds pretty logical to me. Is it still easy to get into Israel (by air) for some American rube like me?

I question the timing.

The message the late Pope John Paul II disseminated throughout the world was to always hope. So many examples we have in the Bible where G-d's hand brought peace unexpectedly. The three greatest virtues are faith, hope and love. Faith is requisite for the other two. Hope is really the outpouring of faith, that what you believe will come to pass. The greatest, love of all people, brother, neighbor and enemy alike, is what will unify the world in peace under the new law Christ brought us. Do not be afraid, and always hope.

Actually sounds pretty logical to me. Is it still easy to get into Israel (by air) for some American rube like me?

We had no problem at all. British Airways through London was $500 less each compared to anyone else and we needed the stopover due to my husband's blood pressure issues on long flights.

Judith,

I worry about her crossing the street and all those handsome fit buff Israeli men who all seem to have an insane passion for blond Canadian girls of mostly Scandinavian descent.

I'm glad she had a good time!

;-)

24 Ed pessimistic, but correct.

Nancy may not be responsible for the assassination, but she is to blame for further encouraging them to think they will not be punished for doing so.

Sounds like Syria and Iran are ganging up on Lebanon. Syria made the first push towards all out war in the middle east with this move today. No question.

Nancy's off to her next care-about:

"Lebanon?!? That is sooo last year."

After I went to visit my daughter there this past April I no longer worry about terrorism. I worry about her crossing the street and all those handsome fit buff and incredibly obnoxious Israeli men who all seem to have an insane passion for blond Canadian girls of mostly Scandinavian descent.

There. Fixed it for ya.

I support Israel all the way, but individual Israelis can be some of the rudest, most obnoxious people on the planet.

#101 Hard Right

I agree with your take. Syria's been given an unspoken green light.

It's like 1990, when the State Dept. said that we wouldn't interfere in conflicts within the Arab world, which gave Saddam his perceived okay to go into Kuwait.

Evidently the road to peace had to be paved through this guy's body.

Thanks Pelosi for giving the Syrian government any sort of legitimacy.

There. Fixed it for ya.

LOL! You must have run into Russian Israelis. Resistance is futile with them. I guess it is all in the prespective. I didn't hit any of the infamous Israeli rudeness when I was there. OTOH my daughter has mastered the supreme Israeli bitch attitude that compliments that male obnoixousness and I did see her tear a few strips up one side and down the other with a few men, especially one poor guy who made the mistake of patting her bum in the bus. He'll never do that again. In fact, he probably turned gay after she got through with him.

Pelosi is an ennabler as Chamberlain was in his day. Because she went to Syria as Speaker of the House and swanned around as an American decision maker, she gave the message loud and clear that Assad's bloody hands didn't bother her one tiny bit and that she and the large constituency she represents think nothing of undercutting their elected administration's foreign policy to further their tawdry election plans at home.

In other words, Assad was assured that he could have his cake and eat it too i.e. continue his destabilization of Iraq's and Lebanon's elected governments and get respectful treatment from America's leftist appeasers whom he had every reason to believe are on a roll. After all, he reads American newspapers.

It is a sad day indeed when the French get it right and the Americans are ass-kissing Mid-East dictators: [France's Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said: "We are ready to talk with all personalities and representatives of groups who are in favor of Lebanon's unity, its autonomy and its territorial integrity. This clearly means we don't have to talk to Syrian leaders."]

Condi Rice's performance is very disappointing. Instead of re-directing the State Department into support of the Administration's new foreign policy i.e. no truck with genocidal dictators, she has been brought to heel by leftist bureaucrat mandarins who never met a thug they wouldn't brown nose in the name of "stability" by repression. She's too weak for the job that should have gone to Bolton. What influence she has is dragging Bush into mistakes and contradictory messages. "We are not leaving Iraq until it's stable but we'll idiotically jaw jaw with Syria and Iran as though we don't all know that they are contributing to the destabilizing and killings".

The French guy got it right while Pelosi and Rice are dancing with dictators.

Litleoldlady-yes she had a great time. "Better than a Bar Mitzvah buffet!"

#63 BulgarWheat

here's my 2008 Republican Ticket, just because it sounds right...

The Thompson Twins! Fred and Tommy!

No, no, it's like this:

Thompson Squared!

(sorry, don't know how to make the little tiny 2)

101 Hard Right

Nancy may not be responsible for the assassination, but she is to blame for further encouraging them to think they will not be punished for doing so.

Oh please. You sound as looney as the left. Is she also to blame for "encouraging" the murder of Harisi? And if I recall correctly, Condi was smooching on Abbas long before Pelosi was Speaker. I don't think people in glass houses should throw stones.

The Syrians have been after the Lebanese parliament forever and they won't stop until either Israel or the U.S. stops them. If you're going to blame anyone but the SYRIANS try Olmert.

I hold Nancy Pelosi partially responsible for this.

#107 Judith

I had to take traffic school last weekend, and there was an Israeli couple in the back (how did they get traffic tickets at the same time?). They'd originally sat separately, and the rule was that once you'd taken a seat in the morning you had to stay there for the rest of the day. Well, the Israeli guy moved after the first break and that caused a problem with handing out court paperwork, which was done based on the order in which people sat. The good-natured retired cop who ran the class asked the Israeli guy why he had moved. The guy's response? "You don't want to mess with me."

The two of them talked in Hebrew, at a normal conversational level, throughout the entire class. It made for a really long eight hours. The woman did most of the talking; I had no idea what she was saying, but couldn't figure out she could not run out of things to say at some point. I started to wonder if the woman even shut up when she went to sleep at night.

Destroy the seed of evil, or it will grow up to your ruin. ~ Aesop