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Kos: 'My Patience is Wearing Thin'

Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 12:32:17 pm PDT

Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas appeals for civility: Daily Kos: ‘With us or against us’.

As I wrote yesterday, “Just doesn’t look right to be dissing the military when Kos is trying so hard to be the voice of the Democratic Party.”

There has lately been an alarming rise in diaries and comments that seek to impugn (without evidence) the motives of those they disagree with on various issues.

Yes, there’s the impeachment stuff, but this nasty rhetoric is also rampant in the primary war diaries.

This points to a serious breakdown not just on civility, but in the ability of people to properly debate various issues. As such, it presents a serious threat to the integrity of this site.

I much prefer it when the community moderates itself, and for the most part it does a good job of this. The libertarian in me prefers it that way. But sometimes, self-moderation isn’t enough. I’ll act swiftly and mercilessly when I’m pushed into defending the effectiveness of this site. And at this moment, my patience is wearing thin.

Reasonable people, including progressives, can disagree on many of the big issues we face today — from which candidate to support in the primary, to whether impeachment is the best way to hold this administration accountable, to the merit of gun control or free trade agreements, to how to handle immigration, to whatever else faces our nation. As a site, we strive to provide a safe haven for debate on these matters without it getting — as has happened of late — so damn ugly.

This is my one and only warning on the matter. I’ll try to be an optimist and hope that this is the last time I’ll have to address it. I won’t let this site become as nasty as your typical usenet forum, and those who encourage that sort of environment should consider themselves duly warned.

Remember, this is the guy who watched four American contractors burned to death and torn apart in Fallujah, then, while the bodies were still hanging from a bridge, wrote: “I feel nothing over the death of mercenaries. They are there to wage war for profits, screw them.”

Also see: Daily Kos Founder Issues Warning Concerning ‘Nasty Rhetoric’ at His Website - NewsBusters.org.

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1 markie  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:34:06pm

Skwoo yoo, Koz

2 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:34:17pm

Ugly is as ugly does. It's your bed, KOS. Lie in it.

3 mad_scientist  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:35:04pm

KOS in CYA mode

4 Occam's Beard  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:35:33pm

Kos is showing signs of growing up. Judgement Day must be nigh.

5 Grok the Fullness  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:35:37pm

Centuwion, thwow him to the fwoor, woughwy.

6 nnptcgrad  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:35:49pm

Aww, the rabble rouser is upset that the rabble is rising. Poor thing!

7 Jimash  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:36:05pm

He just noticed ?

8 kutabeach  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:36:46pm

"Can't we all just get along?"

9 Padre  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:37:09pm

Rest in peace Jerry Zovko, Wesley Batalona, Scott Helvenston and Michael Teague. God bless you, and thank you.

10 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:37:26pm
so damn ugly.

Straight from the horse's mouth, so you trolls can now STFU.

11 jcm  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:37:47pm

The problem Markos, is your side is out of arguments. Only thing left is vitriol.

12 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:38:14pm

re: #4 Occam's Beard

He's looking out for himself and his bank account. He has somehow been annointed as a bellweather of the Internet Left and someone who should be feted by Democrats on their way to the elections. If it is revealed that his site is completely infested and overrun by anti-Semites, anti-military and anti-American leftists, it can and will be used against him.

13 ZionistYoungster  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:38:21pm

"Mayday! Mayday! Damage control systems are all go!"

14 Arbalest  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:38:34pm

"This points to a serious breakdown not just on civility, but in the ability of people to properly debate various issues.”

This is not the first thing on the Kos site that points to a breakdown in civility or a breakdown in the ability of posters to debate properly.


I’ll act swiftly and mercilessly when I’m pushed into defending the “effectiveness of this site.”

How about the Truth, not Truthiness, of the posts at the site?

15 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:38:38pm

At least he's got people like jellobob to fellate him.

16 templar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:38:54pm

I guess dWonka had to come down from coporate to get the Oompa-Loompas under control. Or maybe dWonka couldn't decide which his blog needed more, the yappings of the impeachment chihuahuas, the pinkos screaming that the troops are a bunch of homsexual cowards who need molly-coddled (while oddly enough a thirteen year old girl is mature enough to have her baby sucked down a sink), or the noxious stench of antisemitisim that dKos seems to have trademarked.

17 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:39:12pm

This is a face lift for a guy who wants to be a Democratic player.

18 Randman  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:39:20pm

He doesn't really mind them thinking it...they just want us to KNOW they are thinking it.

19 bunker buster  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:39:36pm

re: #4 Occam's Beard

Love the nic!

20 markie  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:39:45pm

"I been a vewey vewey baaad boy. Hahuhuhuhuhuhuhuh!"

21 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:39:51pm

I smell a commie-purge coming soon to the Koskidz.

22 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:40:07pm
Reasonable people, including progressives,

So "reasonable people" and "progressives" really are two separate groups. Glad he cleared that up.

23 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:41:07pm

re: #15 Ward Cleaver

At least he's got people like jellobob to fellate him.

Metaphorically speaking, that is.

24 me  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:41:18pm

a hypocrite? Ya think?

25 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:42:21pm

just a side note:

Kos says...

The libertarian in me prefers it that way.

Libertarians want little of NO government intervention.
( IE: NO Universal state run government controlled heath care. That is the antithesis of "Libertarian")

KOS is a left-wing democrat & Left-wing Democrats want fascistic (centrally controlled) government control over all of our lives in the various "universal" forms like welfare, nanny state, health care...

Where dies KOS get off calling himself a "libertarian".

it is to laugh!

26 Bunker Buster  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:42:22pm

re: #23 Ward Cleaver

re: #15 Ward Cleaver


At least he's got people like jellobob to fellate him.

Metaphorically speaking, that is.

Nice save.

27 RTLM  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:42:35pm

Let'em keep on keepin' on Kos!

(or they'll statrt calling you a Nazi)

28 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:43:19pm

Eh, I'll give him some credit for this, actually. I mean, would we really be happier if he had issued a KOSsal Bull urging his avid followers to post ever-more-rabid rants about conservatives?

29 templar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:43:22pm

re: #5 Grok the Fullness

Centuwion, thwow him to the fwoor, woughwy.

"Silence! What is all this insolence? You will find yourself in
gladiator school vevy quickly, with votten behaviouv like that!"

dPilate, Governor of Wome!

30 Old Tanker  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:44:05pm

re: #4 Occam's Beard

re: #12 lawhawk

If I were a kossak I would be sayin'

"You're sellin' out to the man......man"

31 markie  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:44:09pm

Uh, progressives? I always thought it was prorestives. My mistake.

32 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:44:31pm

Leftist libertarians are very weird ducks. Which is why I have to go out of my way to say I am a conservative libertarian.

33 Catttt  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:44:33pm

This makes me think of the rowing scene in Ben Hur.

Crack that whip, Kos. Ramming speed!

34 jill e  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:44:41pm

Ron Paul supporters make more sense than this guy!

35 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:44:50pm

re: #29 templar

re: #5 Grok the Fullness

Centuwion, thwow him to the fwoor, woughwy.

"Silence! What is all this insolence? You will find yourself in
gladiator school vevy quickly, with votten behaviouv like that!"

dPilate, Governor of Wome!

re: #5 Grok the Fullness

Centuwion, thwow him to the fwoor, woughwy.

ROTFLMAO! Now we just need to put Kos in a toga....

36 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:45:30pm

re: #12 lawhawk

re: #4 Occam's Beard

He's looking out for himself and his bank account. He has somehow
been annointed as a bellweather of the Internet Left and someone who
should be feted by Democrats on their way to the elections. If it is
revealed that his site is completely infested and overrun by
anti-Semites, anti-military and anti-American leftists, it can and will
be used against him.


yep.. and that train has already left the station.

37 Bunker Buster  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:45:36pm
Reasonable people, including progressives,

I dunno. If Daily Kos is an example of progressivism, those are two mutually exclusive categories.

38 SteveC  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:45:54pm

I'm sure everyone remembers the children's cartoons when you were a kid.... every one of them had a scene in which an object was spun around so fast that it eventually blew apart.

I sense that The Daily Kos is picking up speed! (Evil laugh)

39 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:47:50pm

"You will know them by their fruits."

40 jcm  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:48:17pm

Simple Kos Simple,

Follow the Stinky model.

Delete comments that are over the line.
Use the banning stick.

It's your blog, you own it, you control it.

Don't whine when it's out of control.
It's your problem, not the posters.

41 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:48:18pm

dKos is getting as bad as HuffPo, except that Kos ins't smart enough to turn off comments.

42 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:49:04pm

[Dark, malevolent laughter]

It couldn't happen to a nicer anti-American Progressive!

43 templar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:49:51pm

re: #35 vxbush

Are you absolutely sure that you want to see this horrid little man in a toga. Bigus Dickus is more worthy of it.

44 BrianA  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:49:57pm

Kos and the Kidz were a hot topic with O'Reilly and ED Hill on The Radio Factor today. Seems like Bill has finally noticed the left's hate speech and he plans on holding the Dem '08 candidates accountable for their participation In the Yearly KOS convention. I'm skeptical that he will have any impact on the leftard kooks but it will be fun listening to it.

45 tfc3rid  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:50:34pm

I'm looking at this a little differently...

I see this comment from Kos being a clever plan... If he makes it that he's cracking down on the site, then it makes oh, I don't know, sites that have been called 'Right Wing Hate Sites' look even nuttier... Therefore, the Fairness Doctrine would be something that could make all that vitriol go away...

Again, I'm just sayin'... Don't know for sure...

46 stoker  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:50:48pm

You lie down with dogs, expect to pick up some fleas. And maybe some mange!

47 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:50:59pm
Reasonable people, including progressives, can disagree on many of the big issues we face today

Again with this 'progressive' crap.

Hey Kos...Lefties AREN"T progressive! In fact they're downright re-gressive!

48 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:51:03pm

How come we haven't heard from DU or indymedia lately? They used to be a source of stupidity.

49 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:51:26pm

re: #32 David E

Leftist libertarians are very weird ducks. Which is why I have to go out of my way to say I am a conservative libertarian.

There is not such thing as a leftist libertarian.

The two are diametrically opposed.

Libertarians want excessively small government.
Leftists want centralized big daddy government with strict controls.

50 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:52:06pm

re: #44 BrianA

Kos and the Kidz were a hot topic with O'Reilly and ED Hill on The Radio Factor today. Seems like Bill has finally noticed the left's hate speech and he plans on holding the Dem '08 candidates accountable for their participation In the Yearly KOS convention. I'm skeptical that he will have any impact on the leftard kooks but it will be fun listening to it.

And there won't be any mention of it in tonight's CNN/YouTube marshmallow-throwing fest.

51 tfc3rid  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:52:43pm

re: #50 Ward Cleaver

You got that right... I'm sick of these 'debates'... Utter crap... So much togetherness... We hate Bush... All that crap...

52 tripster  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:52:45pm

DKOS translation: "People, people we are trying to remain relevant and help the demo's back into the White House. This dropping of our collective masks and showing the little people what we really think is NOT good. Please refrain from showing your true self until after the elections. Allah Akbar.."

53 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:52:51pm

re: #49 FrogMarch

Hint: it's about smoking dope.

OK, let's see who I've pissed off now ...

54 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:53:52pm
that seek to impugn (without evidence) the motives

The heartbreak of assigned motivation. If one cannot argue that the action is evil enough, attack the motivation, they think.

Going to war, in or itself, can't be evil because then Clinton and other DNC presidents are guilty, so Bush is evil because he went to war over oil, or for revenge for his father, or because he hates Iraqi children, or whatever the "assigned motivation" du jour is.

FYI, Kos, unless the person specifically states their motivation, like saying 'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire on Jewish women, assigning motivation is almost always "without evidence."

Like saying that armed personnel are "just in it for the money," for example.

55 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:53:53pm

re: #51 tfc3rid

re: #50 Ward Cleaver

You got that right... I'm sick of these 'debates'... Utter crap... So much togetherness... We hate Bush... All that crap...

I don't waste my time watching them.

56 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:53:55pm

re: #49 FrogMarch
I cannot type today.


let me try again...


There is NO SUCH THING as a LEFTIST LIBERTARIAN!

Left-wing democrats and libertarians are diametrically opposed.

*Libertarians want excessively small government.
*Leftists want centralized big daddy government with strict controls.

57 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:54:49pm

He also has two threads up cherry picking comments from O'Riley's blog. Some of them are quite old and none of them seem to be terribly offensive. Methinks he's feeling the heat.

58 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:55:58pm

Libertarians want a much smaller government, much lower taxes and a Laissez Faire Economic system.
In general they want government off their backs, they don't want social engineering.

Real Libertarians have nothing in common with Lefists.

59 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:56:35pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Good. Let's throw a few more shovels full of coal in there while we're at it.

60 moonsbreath  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:56:44pm

Kos knows how to spell "civility," but does he know what it means?

61 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:56:55pm

Leftist libertarians want to end the war on drugs, they want government out of the marriage business, they want the government out of the abortion debate, they want their liberties unimpeded by government. I can go on, but they want government in things THEY want government in (health care etc).

62 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:57:07pm
Remember, this is the guy who watched four American contractors burned to death and torn apart in Fallujah, then, while the bodies were still hanging from a bridge, wrote: “I feel nothing over the death of mercenaries. They are there to wage war for profits, screw them.”

And crucially, then Markos hid the evidence that he'd ever written that. SSDD.

Much like Michael Moore's similarly ephemeral comment that the September 11th attacks killed a bunch of people who didn't even vote for Bush!

63 Catttt  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:57:28pm

re: #53 Lucius Septimius

re: #49 FrogMarch

Hint: it's about smoking dope.

OK, let's see who I've pissed off now ...

re: #57 Killgore Trout

He also has two threads up cherry picking comments from O'Riley's blog. Some of them are quite old and none of them seem to be terribly offensive. Methinks he's feeling the heat.

I hate dieting. That comment made me hungry.

64 Sir Lurksalot  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:57:52pm

This is UNFAIR. Kos needs to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

//whining koskid

65 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:58:02pm

re: #61 David E

Bingo! "I hate government except when it advances my personal agenda."

66 cosmo  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:58:41pm

"I feel nothing over the degeneration of DailyKos. It is there to wage war against America, screw it."

67 bulwrk  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:58:52pm

The libertarian libertine in me prefers it that way.

Must of been a typo.

68 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:59:07pm

re: #59 Lucius Septimius

O'Riley's segment on Kos was pitifully weak but really seemed to touch a nerve. Hopefully O'riley will be inspired to some research and really give Kos a whoopin'.

69 stoker  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:59:14pm

re: #56 FrogMarch

re: #49 FrogMarch
I cannot type today.


let me try again...


There is NO SUCH THING as a LEFTIST LIBERTARIAN!

Left-wing democrats and libertarians are diametrically opposed.

*Libertarians want excessively small government.
*Leftists want centralized big daddy government with strict controls.

Unfortunately there are Liberal-tarians -- they do not want government interference except that the government picks up the bill. I have run into a few of these hybrids that talk like supply side fans but then expect a big brother government to take care of everything. i think they are related to RINOs only the lobotomy was down through the alimentary canal as you can also hear talking out of their arse.

70 markie  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:59:39pm

God help me, but it sure is fun watching someone else's boat sink.

71 Stonewall  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:59:51pm

So hows that mirror image look to ya Markos?

72 Chuck Pelto  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 12:59:54pm

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: Typical

These sorts will snap at each other like the rabid dogs they are. And, when the illness gets to a certain point, they will rend each other. We've seen this sort of behavior before amongst the so-called 'progressives'. Remember, back in 2004, when the feminazis attacked the PETAs at some 'progressive' con-fab because PETA was trotting out their best looking women in 'sexist' attire as a promotional for their cause?

It's the same thing here. However, these people at Kos Kidz are more bloody-minded. And, I suspect that Kos will have to hire a body-guard if he starts 'offing' the more nefarious of his blood-minded kidz. After all, if they are more bloody-minded than he is and he 'offs' them....

....they might decide to return the compliment, in a more permanent manner.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Those whom the gods would destroy.....]

73 blutonazi98  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:00:16pm

re: #39 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"You will know them by their fruits."

Why does this apple taste like crap?

74 mikefln  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:00:23pm

re: #21 Eric Cartman's Conscience

I smell a commie-purge coming soon to the Koskidz.

Or perhaps a mass exodus. remember, these fine folks don't like it when their icons stray too far from dogma (Heh. Stray dogma. Sorry). They're probably posting about what a sellout he is over at firedoglake as we speak.

Woo-hoo! My first LGF post!

75 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:00:37pm

re: #65 Lucius Septimius


I should be so succinct.

76 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:00:54pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

re: #59 Lucius Septimius

O'Riley's segment on Kos was pitifully weak but really seemed to touch a nerve. Hopefully O'riley will be inspired to some research and really give Kos a whoopin'.

He'll put some staffers on it, to figure out the "I'm looking out for you" angle.

77 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:00:58pm

re: #63 Catttt

I hate dieting. That comment made me hungry.

Me too, that's why I never diet. Now where are those potato chips ...

78 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:01:48pm

re: #70 markie

God help me, but it sure is fun watching someone else's boat sink.

I love the smell of schadenfreude in the afternoon.

79 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:01:52pm

re: #75 David E

You just were.

80 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:03:00pm

re: #77 Lucius Septimius

re: #63 Catttt


I hate dieting. That comment made me hungry.

Me too, that's why I never diet. Now where are those potato chips ...

Where are those Little Debbie snacks?

/the ones with 40 gms of fat

81 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:03:35pm

"I feel nothing over the infighting of KOS. They are there to undermine western society and America for profits and (D) talking points. Screw them.”

/ :D

82 bulwrk  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:03:36pm

re: #70 markie


God help me, but it sure is fun watching someone else's boat sink.

Watching rats jump into a sinking ship is a nice change.

83 beblebrox  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:03:41pm

re: #69 stoker


Unfortunately there are Liberal-tarians -- they do not want government interference except that the government picks up the bill. I have run into a few of these hybrids that talk like supply side fans but then expect a big brother government to take care of everything. i think they are related to RINOs only the lobotomy was down through the alimentary canal as you can also hear talking out of their arse.

so in other words: "Waaahhhh! I want everything my way, and i want some else to pay for it!"

84 nemo  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:04:28pm

His "screw them" comment "[a]s such ... presents a serious threat to the integrity of ... [the KOS] site."

To maintain the integrity of the site, Markos is going to "... act swiftly and mercilessly", like a dictator, and remove posts and/or accounts that ... uh ... "impugns" ... um ... the well-established integrity of the site.

Like most LLLs, Markos is a "Do as I say not as I do" democrat / "libertarian".

Someday the many sides of Markos will join together and he will delete his site.

85 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:05:10pm

re: #78 Ward Cleaver

I love the smell of schadenfreude in the afternoon.

Smells like Linzer Torte.

86 moonsbreath  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:05:35pm

The KosKidz are worried that Bush will cancel elections? Say what?

I'm really worried that these people drive vehicles.

87 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:06:57pm

Just want you peoples to know, if I quote somebody who has linked to some Vince Foster conpsiracy web-site, that has Ronpaulian aspects, it doesn't mean I linked to the website, just that the quote function copies the code, and the link appears again.


I was quoting a Vince Foster conspiracist just to say, while I am not conclusively positively sure that there wasn't a conspiracy with the Clintons involved, Ken Starr, no friend of the Clintons, found no evidence that it was anything other than a suicide.


Previous thread- someone saying a link in my post goes to a weird Jews did 9/11 site, and that ain't my bag, man.


Thank you.

88 totally berserk  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:07:11pm

Sheesh, where's it all going to end? They're worried about a civil war in Iraq; I'm starting to worry about one here.

Who hasn't noticed? That to win in Iraq or anywhere else, we're first going to have to stomp down the Left?

The Left's battle is with Republicans and conservatives. To them, Islamofascists are just bit players, supporting roles, a foil to get the action started. The notion that both sides want the same thing but can't agree how to get there is hopelessly passe. Both sides emphatically do not want the same thing, though we cling to the idea out of nostalgia or just common decency or some other character flaw. But it's not working nor will it ever.

89 beblebrox  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:07:12pm

re: #86 moonsbreath

The KosKidz are worried that Bush will cancel elections? Say what?

I'm really worried that these people drive vehicles.

I'm really worried that they have kids to corrupt with these paranoid bent thoughts.

90 Drained Brain  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:07:18pm

Some of the comments over there are unwittingly very revealing, along the lines of "Boundaries? How will we know what the boundaries are?"
Self-responsibility, a sense of right and wrong... what alien concepts!

91 opnion  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:08:25pm

When good liberals go bad.
It seems to me that this Kos guy is on a Democrat fast track. Every candidate will be at his convention.
Bump in the road, O'Riley brands it a hate site & gets Jet Blue to pull its signage.They might hate FOX, but it has a lot of viewers.
Kos does not want any more posts exposed that would embarass the Dems from associating with him. It is profitable & ego gratifying.
But ya know it does remind me of Madonna becoming a mother and expressing shock at the vulgarity in the culture.
Just as she promoted vulgarity, this guy Kos promoted hate speach until it became inconvenient

92 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:08:36pm

#80 Ward:

Where are those Little Debbie snacks?

AKA "Breakfast of Champions Crackheads"

93 Aylios  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:08:48pm

"My patience is wearing thin."

I guess Trotsky and Stalin felt like that sometime early in their careers too.

94 BulgarWheat  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:08:56pm

#74 mikefln

Nice 1st post.

Stray dogma, heh!

95 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:09:02pm

re: #9 Padre

Rest in peace Jerry Zovko, Wesley Batalona, Scott Helvenston and Michael Teague. God bless you, and thank you.

AMEN...


What it seems that KOS and many more do not understand is the level of patriotism that that these men had, regardless of the f*ckin money... Many of the People who the left refers to as mercenaries, are just individuals who have been discharged out of the regular military, and might not have been able to find a decent job for lack of training other than the military. They have families to feed like anyone else who wants a decent job and life. Most though have told me they hated to leave friends and close relatives over there when a job was not finished. This is dedication based in a type of American patriotism, that leftist can not comprehend.

GOD BLESS ALL OUR FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN !

96 brent  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:09:28pm
The libertarian in me prefers it that way.

Any guesses on that libertarian's name? I'm going with Johnny.

97 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:10:12pm

Well, if one follows the definition of "libertarian" found in Websters, "a Republican who smokes pot and watches porn", or the alternate "A Democrat who doesn't like high taxes" one can see that libertarian has elements of both left-wing and right-wing.


Remember, before deciding he was a Republican, Dr. Rona Paul was a libertarian.

98 coz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:10:21pm

I don't have to change my 'nic' over this, do I?

99 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:10:33pm

re: #96 brent,

KOS calls all his men "John".

:-)

100 bosforus  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:10:47pm

if they're about to do a shake down at Kos I might get axed. oh well. screw them.

101 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:10:51pm

Chickens coming home to roost.

102 bluegrass boy  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:11:23pm

re: #88 totally berserk

they are going to come at us from all sides in their prius's hurling all sorts of vegan goodies and natural body oils......

103 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:11:30pm

re: #97 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Well, if one follows the definition of "libertarian" found in Websters, "a Republican who smokes pot and watches porn", or the alternate "A Democrat who doesn't like high taxes" one can see that libertarian has elements of both left-wing and right-wing.


Remember, before deciding he was a Republican, Dr. Rona Paul was a libertarian.

Ron Paul, no gender reassignment surgery implied. A typo.

104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:11:34pm
Reasonable people, including progressives

I find it amusing he had to qualify that Reasonable people should include progressives.

105 jill e  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:12:14pm

Someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of the following characteristics:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love—CHECK!
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
requires excessive admiration—CHECK!
4. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends—CHECK!
5. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others—CHECK!
6. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes—CHECK!
7. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends—CHECK!

Markos WINS!

106 allah this  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:12:26pm
"...my patience is wearing thin."

Oops, he misspelled intelligence.

107 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:12:32pm

re: #49 FrogMarch

Libertarians want excessively small government.
Leftists want centralized big daddy government with strict controls.

Great point. That's why, when show biz types call themselves libertarians, watch out. Sean Penn, Bill Mahr...a long list.

108 totally berserk  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:13:17pm

Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet:

May I trouble you with an OT meteorology question? I'm wondering where they get the 10-day forecasts. Do they just morph today's forecast into the average weather of 10 days from now, or is there something more scientific at work?

Mostly I'm interested because people who can't forecast the weather 10 days from now assure us that the global warming will raise the temperature by half a degree Celsius in 100 years...

109 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:13:28pm

re: #101 MandyManners

Given one of the meanings of "chicken," and interesting metaphor.

BTW, did you seem my clarification on my point regarding DV on the earlier post -- I wasn't meaning to downplay that.

110 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:14:34pm

re: #78 Ward Cleaver

re: #70 markie


God help me, but it sure is fun watching someone else's boat sink.

I love the smell of schadenfreude in the afternoon.

With comments like these, who needs the lefty Kos sites to enjoy wit and wisdom. [made my day it did]

111 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:14:39pm

Isn't this the guy who was shilling for a candidate in the last election because he was paid by said candidate ? This he kept secret form his red army Kos soldiers lest they desert him, while all the time claiming he was "independent".

Sounds to me like his income streams candidates told him to whitewash calm down his rabid followers.

Kos: The Stalinist anti-capitalist money whore.
That sounds about right.

112 bosforus  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:14:40pm

re: #98 coz

I don't have to change my 'nic' over this, do I?

oh, come on, markos. is your creativity wearing thin as well? you couldn't come up with a better nic than coz? you could've just told us who you really are and we would've accepted you with open arms.

113 QueeQueeg  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:14:44pm

re: #49 FrogMarch

Here's some self-professed 'libertarian marxists'. The environmentalist and Islamist loving left despise them.


spiked is an independent online phenomenon dedicated to raising the horizons of humanity by waging a culture war of words against misanthropy, priggishness, prejudice, luddism, illiberalism and irrationalism in all their ancient and modern forms. spiked is endorsed by free-thinkers such as John Stuart Mill and Karl Marx, and hated by the narrow-minded such as Torquemada and Stalin. Or it would be, if they were lucky enough to be around to read it.

114 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:15:11pm

re: #43 templar

re: #35 vxbush

Are you absolutely sure that you want to see this horrid little man in a toga.

But think how ridiculous it would be. It would be a visible manifestation of the insanity inside.

115 xtraBilly  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:15:18pm

Just trying to sweep the Koz droppings under the rug till after his convention guests leave.

116 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:15:29pm

re: #69 stoker

There is NO SUCH THING as a LEFTIST LIBERTARIAN!

Left-wing democrats and libertarians are diametrically opposed.

*Libertarians want excessively small government.
*Leftists want centralized big daddy government with strict controls.

*************************

Unfortunately there are Liberal-tarians -- they do not want government interference
except that the government picks up the bill. I have run into a few of
these hybrids that talk like supply side fans but then expect a big
brother government to take care of everything. i think they are related
to RINOs only the lobotomy was down through the alimentary canal as you can also hear talking out of their arse.

Well, the dems like to mangle the classical and tradition definitions of things in order to justify their bizare and compulsive neo-leftist micro-manager control freak desires. Liberal-tarians are just leftists who understand that being a leftist is embarrasing so they want to pep it up a bit. spin it... (you can polish a turd all day long, but at the end of the day, it's still a turd.)

It's just as re: #83 beblebrox says..

"Waaahhhh! I want everything my way, and i want some else to pay for it!"

117 forrest  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:15:55pm

It looks like things have calmed down a bit in the comments to Kos's post. Now they're talking about Bush cancelling the 2008 election...ho-hum

It's kinda scary that so many people take that site seriously.

118 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:16:23pm

re: #115 xtraBilly

Just trying to sweep the Koz droppings under the rug till after his convention guests leave.

correct. he can't change his own spots

119 da Coyote  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:16:25pm

"...patience wearing thin...." EH? Let's consider his already vanishingly thin intellect, his lack of education on --say economics, military, and things scientific....to start. This guy should be pining for the Fiords.

120 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:17:40pm

WARNING! Bad language ahead.

The AP Sucks Obama's Cock

This isn't a puff piece. It's a worship piece. Obama is no longer just the media darling, or the heir apparent, or the Great Black Hope. Now (just like that wacky art piece), he's the fucking Messiah. "Just look at how wonderfully diverse Obama is! Praise be to all, we are saved!"

Can you imagine the press ever writing a story like this about a Republican? I am so sick of the press.

121 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:18:34pm

re: #107 Golem Akbar

re: #49 FrogMarch

Libertarians want excessively small government.
Leftists want centralized big daddy government with strict controls.

Great point. That's why, when show biz types call themselves libertarians, watch out. Sean Penn, Bill Mahr...a long list.


Sean Penn! That's a laugh. Sean Penn is a left-wing fascist and a communist.

122 cblesz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:18:57pm

#25 Frog march...

I am shocked that it took so long for someone to call that jackass out. He is NOT a Liberterian. Far, far from it. I am so sick of the so called "progressives" distorting what a Liberterian is...in fact, Bill Maher calls himself that also. If they would take the time to take a test at the Liberterian website, they would find out they are far from a Liberterian. They are Socialists, Communists or even Marxists...CERTAINLY NOT LIBERTERIAN. Makes me want to vomit!

[Link: www.lp.org...]

Nowhere on this site do I read and think, "hmmmm...sounds just like Markos"...

123 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:19:09pm

"Reasonable people, including progressives,,,,,"

Interesting that he didn't think "PROGRESSIVES" would automatically be inclusive in the phrase "RESONABLE PEOPLE" !

124 BulgarWheat  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:19:42pm

#121 FrogMarch

Sean Penn,......the apple didn't fall far from his Daddy's communist tree. He's what's called a red diaper commie...

125 commander_vimes  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:19:46pm

re: #86 moonsbreath

The KosKidz are worried that Bush will cancel elections? Say what?

I'm really worried that these people drive vehicles.

They (the dems) tried that claim in 2004. I suppose we could make pres. elections frequent enough that their memories wouldn't fade, but I don't think the country can handle 3 elections per day.

126 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:20:06pm

*REASONABLE*

damn thumbs

127 coz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:20:28pm

re: #112 bosforus

re: #98 coz


I don't have to change my 'nic' over this, do I?

oh, come on, markos. is your creativity wearing thin as well? you couldn't come up with a better nic than coz? you could've just told us who you really are and we would've accepted you with open arms.

Aww nuts. That's exactly what I was trying to avoid.

Coz is not Kos

Rather, I think that JellyBooB guy from the other thread, ... he's Kos.

128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:20:44pm

re: #123 sattv4u2

I thought the same thing

129 bosforus  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:21:10pm
"Can you believe every time she comes she gives me a hug? ... I'm just her waitress," said the Calypso Cafe's Mina Lewis, who talks fondly of the days before the presidential campaign when Michelle Obama would come in with her daughters and friends.

awww, that's just too sweet. you mean they were nice before he started running for president? woopdy doo, he was still a public figure

130 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:21:30pm

re: #121 FrogMarch

re: #107 Golem Akbar


re: #49 FrogMarch

Libertarians want excessively small government.
Leftists want centralized big daddy government with strict controls.

Great point. That's why, when show biz types call themselves libertarians, watch out. Sean Penn, Bill Mahr...a long list.

Sean Penn! That's a laugh. Sean Penn is a left-wing fascist and a communist.

And loves to call himself a libertarian...

131 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:22:04pm

Here's another example of "Truth according to Leading Democrats"

In 1973 the U.S. withdrew its troops from Vietnam, and in 1975 Congress, its Democratic majority expanded by the post-Watergate election of 1974, voted to cut off aid to the South Vietnamese government. That year Saigon fell to the communists.

What happened then? Not much, according to Kerry, quoted in the Chicago Tribune:

"We heard that argument over and over again about the bloodbath that would engulf the entire Southeast Asia, and it didn't happen," Kerry said, dismissing the charge out of hand as he argued that the American presence only makes the situation worse every day.

In 2001, California's Orange County Register published an investigation of communist re-education camps in postwar Vietnam:

To corroborate the experiences of refugees now living in Orange County, the Register interviewed dozens of former inmates and their families, both in the United States and Vietnam; analyzed hundreds of pages of documents, including testimony from more than 800 individuals sent to jail; and interviewed Southeast Asian scholars. The review found:

* An estimated 1 million people were imprisoned without formal charges or trials.

* 165,000 people died in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam's re-education camps, according to published academic studies in the United States and Europe.

* Thousands were abused or tortured: their hands and legs shackled in painful positions for months, their skin slashed by bamboo canes studded with thorns, their veins injected with poisonous chemicals, their spirits broken with stories about relatives being killed.

* Prisoners were incarcerated for as long as 17 years, according to the U.S. Department of State, with most terms ranging from three to 10 years.

* At least 150 re-education prisons were built after Saigon fell 26 years ago.

* One in three South Vietnamese families had a relative in a re-education camp.

According to John Kerry, "it didn't happen."

132 SusanL  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:22:09pm

Last I looked, we have a county election board. How on earth would George Bush have control over county government? If any of those bozos had actually listened in grade school, they would know better.

90% of the "power" in this country is local. Starts with local and works its way up to the Feds.

I can just see the results if someone were to try to tell the wonderful "bluehairs" who run the county elections that they were out of business.

I guess when you are ignorant and spend your time spreading your ignorance, well you see what happens.

133 Arbalest  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:22:44pm

It seems that the requirements for being doctrinaire at Kos have changed a bit.

A quick scan of the Kos “With Us or Against Us” reveals about 755 posts in 2.5 hours, the majority of them being at least somewhat self-critical (as per good Maoist doctrine), some being fawning. One or two are showing some courage and making noises about leaving (but they sound a bit snively).

It sounds like there is an internal doctrinal conflict occurring.

There's Kos' comment denying that Bush will cancel the upcoming elections, and labeling believers as "out there".

Is Ron Paul in or out? Does fire melt steel or not?

I'm watching for more Leftists to be self-critical and even more strident, as an attempt to curry favor and cover all bases.

When do the denunciations begin?

Perhaps this is a sign that yet one more leftist social experiment is about to fail.

134 MrMom  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:22:48pm

Come on, all you Kommie kidz at Kos! Keep posting away! Speak troof to power. Don't let *the man* keep you down!

/ironic, isn't it? -Bugs Bunny-

135 forrest  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:22:55pm

#120 Lizard

I clicked over to the article. Funny, the headline says his neighborhood is "rich in diversity", then the article immediately says; "Democratic presidential candidate is the epitome of the place he calls home: a mix of black and white residents who are wealthy, well-educated and liberal-leaning."

Don't sound too diverse to me. Rich limo-libs.

136 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:23:19pm

re: #120 Lizard by the Bay

Ringed by communities where people are poorer and more likely to have a high school diploma and not a college degree, the neighborhood where the Obamas live is an urban island of intellectual and financial prosperity, although it too has residents living below the poverty line.

Ahh, there's nothing like elitism.

137 bosforus  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:23:40pm

re: #127 coz

I don't know. I would think that the real Kos would be intelligent enough to not hang out in LGF for extended periods of time, but I wouldn't want to overestimate his intelligence either.

138 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:24:02pm

re: #109 Lucius Septimius

No problem. It's an issue in which I am extremely interested, and rather sensitive.

139 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:24:15pm

Dear Markos,

I am delighted to see you recognize that civility is a necessary component of online discussion.

I the spirit of good will to all, can I have my old handle back. As anyone can attest I only use reason and suasion in writing to make my points, neverthe less you deleted Molotov von Ribbentrop for the sin of expressing neocon thinking at your site.

If reinstated I promise to be as reasonable as ever.

Hope the new baby is well

Ghilmeini

140 coz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:24:41pm

re: #137 bosforus

re: #127 coz

I don't know. I would think that the real Kos would be intelligent enough to not hang out in LGF for extended periods of time, but I wouldn't want to overestimate his intelligence either.

Are you questioning my intelligence?

/confused...

141 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:24:53pm

re: #120 Lizard by the Bay


It's disgusting, isn't it?

Anytime a Republican is mentioned it's ALWAYS spun negative.
for instance: "Republicans are on the attack..." etc...
Yahoo had a front page new item about Romney -- and it was clearly negative.


any and all democrats (especially Obama) get the kid-glove treatment.-- The assumption of pure poetic angelic perfection.

The DNC media is the DNC media. they know they are pro-democrat and they don't even feel the need to hide it anymore.

It's actually rather scary.

142 Mike C.  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:24:55pm

Sow. Reap. End of story.

143 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:25:03pm

I have some words for Markos, and he has my permission to post them on his site:

Sir, you are an asshole. A very remarkable leftist asshole. Please keep your blog farts to yourself.

144 jackfetch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:25:12pm

I don't mean to sound naggish... hall-monitor-like... or like the kid who screams "Everybody OUT! My parents are coming" at the end of a party... but I think we're really spending too much effort watching KOS here.

Frankly, the illogical mental gyrations of the indoctrinated left aren't that entertaining for long... I'd almost turn the focus back on Ron Paul and his Amazing Technicolor TinFoil Plan for the country.

145 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:25:28pm

re: #120 Lizard by the Bay

And you notice that an "intellectual" is considered the best type of person. Period.

Even though most intellectuals provide no real services to society. Most scientists, engineers, etc. would rather be known by those titles than as an intellectual.

PPffftht.

146 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:25:39pm

re: #120 Lizard by the Bay

Praise be to allah, we are saved!

Fixed.

147 blutonazi98  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:25:45pm

re: #87 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

i believe you Ed!

anyone that was friends with ET1 Paterson has to be OK.

that being said; Hillary killed Vince Foster with a fertility spoon in a pagan ritual designed to help Chelsea get into Harvard.

148 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:26:18pm

re: #130 Golem Akbar

re: #121 FrogMarch

re: #107 Golem Akbar


re: #49 FrogMarch


Libertarians want excessively small government.
Leftists want centralized big daddy government with strict controls.


Great point. That's why, when show biz types call themselves libertarians, watch out. Sean Penn, Bill Mahr...a long list.


Sean Penn! That's a laugh. Sean Penn is a left-wing fascist and a communist.

And loves to call himself a libertarian...


the cool thing about being a communist - is that it's okay to lie.

149 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:26:39pm

re: #138 MandyManners

I understand your interest. I try neither to offend or appear insensitive on issues like that.

150 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:26:56pm

re: #131 Lucius Septimius

According to John Kerry, "it didn't happen."

A defining moment for me, as a hippy and then a Vietnam vet. I came home changed from what I saw. When I heard Kerry testifying in Congress, I got sick of the whole left-wing scene and have never looked back, so to speak. My shock came in Vietnam when I saw what we (the US) was doing good for the Vietnamese, whereas, before I only had heard the bad. My heartbreak came when I returned. Kerry was part of that heartbreak.

151 ted  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:27:38pm

Markos knows his minions but also knows Lefties just cant keep their little weenies in their pants.

Just as you cant hold down vomit or keep scum from rising to the surface, libtards must spew their hate, bias, idiocy, anti-semitism, troop-hate etc.

152 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:28:23pm

It will be fun to see how close Hillary gets to Kos. Will she or won't she touch him with a 10 foot pole?

Stay tuned! Either way they're going to look...oh, what is that phrase again? Oh yes, either way they're both going to look so damn ugly!

153 cblesz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:28:33pm

Please, please, please STOP clicking on the DailyKos. All it does is increase his traffic so he can claim he is the King (of jackasses). Charles usually posts the story so we do not have to click on his site...

154 pegcity  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:28:36pm

KOS always picks a winner

155 Sol Roth  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:28:56pm
The libertarian in me prefers it that way.

Does not equate with:

Reasonable people, including progressives,

Markos, you are a filthy communist pathetically cloaking yourself in libertarianism. It won't work.

There is nothing reasonable about the current collectivist progressives either.

Feh.

156 therewaslight  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:29:04pm

DHIMMITUDE ON WALLSTREET


The NASD and NYSE regulation were compelled to change the name of the new SRO formed by their merger last week. Some in the industry Dhimmis argued that the new name was confusing and might even would be offensive to others Muslims.

Last month, Mary Schapiro, chairman and CEO of the NASD, announced that when the NASD and NYSE Regulation formally merge, the new regulator would have a new name: the Securities Industry Regulatory Authority, or SIRA.

While other organizations like The Southern Indiana Realtors Association and The Sam and Rose Stein Institute for Research on Aging both use the SIRA acronym, it is the name’s affiliation with Muslim texts that appears to have triggered the move.

In the Muslim faith, SIRA or Sirah Rasul Allah, means Life of the Apostle of God and is the Arabic term used to describe the traditional Muslim biographies of Muhammad.

So, the NASD announced that the new name is now the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, or FINRA. However, not everyone is happy with that name, either.

The Financial Planning Association, which successfully sued the SEC to overturn its rule allowing broker-dealers to act as investment advisers without registering, believes the new name could be confusing to the public.

157 therewaslight  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:29:58pm
158 bosforus  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:30:17pm

re: #140 coz

re: #137 bosforus

re: #127 coz

I don't know. I would think that the real Kos would be intelligent enough to not hang out in LGF for extended periods of time, but I wouldn't want to overestimate his intelligence either.

Are you questioning my intelligence?

/confused...

um, nevermind...anyways...hey, look over there, a soldier eating a baby!
[runs away]

159 ted  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:30:27pm

What the MSM doesn't want you to know:

July 23, 2007, 3:05 pm

Poll: American Support for War Inches Up
By Megan Thee


American support for the war in Iraq has risen somewhat as the White House has continued to ask the public to reserve judgment about the war until General David Petraeus files his report in the fall.
In a New York Times/CBS News poll conducted over the weekend, 42 percent of Americans said taking military action in Iraq was the right thing to do, while 51 percent said the United States should have stayed out of Iraq.
Support had been at all time low in May, when only 35 percent of Americans said the United States’ involvement in Iraq was the right thing and 61 percent said the United States should have stayed out.

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

160 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:30:39pm

#136 Ward Cleaver:

Ahh, there's nothing like elitism.

Especially when it's sprinkled with noblesse oblige...

"Can you believe every time she comes she gives me a hug? ... I'm just her waitress," said the Calypso Cafe's Mina Lewis, who talks fondly of the days before the presidential campaign when Michelle Obama would come in with her daughters and friends.

(Pass me one, please)

161 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:31:25pm

re: #131 Lucius Septimius

Here's another example of "Truth according to Leading Democrats"


...[chop]
To corroborate the experiences of refugees now living in Orange County,
the Register interviewed dozens of former inmates and their families,
both in the United States and Vietnam; analyzed hundreds of pages of
documents, including testimony from more than 800 individuals sent to
jail; and interviewed Southeast Asian scholars. The review found:

* An estimated 1 million people were imprisoned without formal charges or trials.


* 165,000 people died in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam's
re-education camps, according to published academic studies in the
United States and Europe.

* Thousands were abused or tortured:
their hands and legs shackled in painful positions for months, their
skin slashed by bamboo canes studded with thorns, their veins injected
with poisonous chemicals, their spirits broken with stories about
relatives being killed.

* Prisoners were incarcerated for as
long as 17 years, according to the U.S. Department of State, with most
terms ranging from three to 10 years.

* At least 150 re-education prisons were built after Saigon fell 26 years ago.

* One in three South Vietnamese families had a relative in a re-education camp.

According to John Kerry, "it didn't happen."


According to Sean Penn - that's Libertarianism!

162 beblebrox  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:31:31pm

re: #145 vxbush

re: #120 Lizard by the Bay

And you notice that an "intellectual" is considered the best type of person. Period.

Even though most intellectuals provide no real services to society. Most scientists, engineers, etc. would rather be known by those titles than as an intellectual.

PPffftht.

When I think of an "intellectual" I think of some freak sitting in some Bohemian coffee house listening to stupid beatnik poetry debating some esoteric aspect of philosophy which has no meaning or bearing on anything real. I'd prefer someone intelligent any day.

163 tfc3rid  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:31:32pm

Come on everyone, let's get back to planning on how to cancel the 2008 elections...

Because all of us here LOVE George W. Bush and his plan for America.

164 coz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:32:21pm

Next thing you know someone 'll say I'm from Australia.

165 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:32:38pm

re: #151 ted

Just as you cant hold down vomit or keep scum from rising to the surface, libtards must spew their hate, bias, idiocy, anti-semitism, troop-hate etc.

Alas, some of us are all too willing to shout here because of our frustration with those on the left.

/pointing at me

166 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:32:43pm

re: #105 jill e

Someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of the following characteristics:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love—CHECK!
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
requires excessive admiration—CHECK!
4. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends—CHECK!
5. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others—CHECK!
6. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes—CHECK!
7. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends—CHECK!

Markos WINS!

This also fits any number of Leftists out there i.e. Kennedy, Byrd, Pelosi, Durbin, etc.

Markos is just a web-based personification of them.

167 Salem  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:33:47pm

Repellent. Moths slowly drowning in a piss-bowl are less pitiable.

168 kansas  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:34:09pm

#2
It's your bed, KOS. Lie in it.

Could take that two ways. He does both.

169 BulgarWheat  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:34:20pm

#129 bosforus

Heck, Barrack's wife might be the nicest lady in the whole world. Her husband is a leftist twit that I wouldn't let borrow my yard rake, let alone lead this country. At least not with my vote. Can't really speak for the rest of the country....guess we'll see.

170 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:34:25pm

re: #161 Occasional Reader

#136 Ward Cleaver:


Ahh, there's nothing like elitism.

Especially when it's sprinkled with noblesse oblige...

"Can you believe every time she comes she gives me a hug? ... I'm just her waitress," said the Calypso Cafe's Mina Lewis, who talks fondly of the days before the presidential campaign when Michelle Obama would come in with her daughters and friends.

(Pass me one, please)

"Oh, Mrs. Obama, will you walk on my face, pleeeeeeze?"

171 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:34:31pm

re: #165 tfc3rid

Come on everyone, let's get back to planning on how to cancel the 2008 elections...

The left wasn't supposed to find out about that until a few weeks before the election. Damn their cleverness!

172 cpuller  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:34:35pm
Reasonable people, including progressives, can disagree on many of the big issues we face today

Who called that liberal a reasonable man?

And by the by, who called that reasonable man a liberal?

173 easy  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:35:08pm

re: #131 Lucius Septimius

Thanks for those links. Some of those people were my friends.

174 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:35:28pm

re: #165 tfc3rid

Maybe GW will take a page out of the Chavez playbook !

[Link: sg.news.yahoo.com...]
Chavez: Critical Foreigners to Get Boot

175 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:35:29pm

re: #164 beblebrox

When I think of an "intellectual" I think of some freak sitting in some Bohemian coffee house listening to stupid beatnik poetry debating some esoteric aspect of philosophy which has no meaning or bearing on anything real. I'd prefer someone intelligent any day.

Exactly.

176 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:36:26pm

re: #154 pegcity

KOS always picks a winner

Yeah.

0 for 20 now, isn't it?

177 Mike C.  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:36:38pm

Another reminder. Tonight, 9 PM EDT/PDT on the Science channel, the premier of "Faces of the Earth", a 4 part series. Tonight's opening episode - "Assembling America."

Not for Luddites.

178 tfc3rid  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:36:47pm

re: #173 Golem Akbar

It's even gonna be better than in 2004 when we called people and told them that election day was really a week later...

179 Chuck Pelto  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:37:03pm

TO: FrogMarch
RE: re: #121 FrogMarch


Sean Penn! That's a laugh. Sean Penn is a left-wing fascist and a communist.

Those to idiotologies are opposite faces of the same coin, cast from a base metal.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Freedom is not free. Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free. Make decisions and take responsibility for yourself, or the state most surely will do so for you, which is the first step towards fascism.]

180 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:37:12pm

Although many people who reside in the hallowed halls of our colleges and universities love to call themselves "intellectuals." It's a badge of honor.

181 MrMom  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:37:22pm

re: #166 coz


Hey everybody...coz effs wallabies!

/ducks under the table and crawls for the door

182 ted  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:37:48pm

re: #167 vxbush

"Alas, some of us are all too willing to shout here because of our frustration with those on the left. "

/pointing at me

vx:

I no longer acknowledge lefties at all.

Try it. It may work for you too.

183 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:40:12pm

re: #180 tfc3rid

re: #173 Golem Akbar

It's even gonna be better than in 2004 when we called people and told them that election day was really a week later...

Shhh, as long as Kos doesn't find out and blows the whistle on us...

184 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:40:32pm
185 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:40:49pm

re: #184 ted

I no longer acknowledge lefties at all.

Try it. It may work for you too.

Sorry, doesn't work. I can't convince people to change their thinking if I ignore them.

Several people on this blog are former lefties. If they could see the light, then so can today's crop. Perhaps not as many, as they haven't been taught how to think critically, but it can be done.

186 bosforus  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:41:34pm

re: #171 BulgarWheat

Anyone who pays 1/2 an ounce of attention to US politics should be able to see right through the Obama charm. I'm not buyin' it. As nice and ideal as anyone (or their PR department) makes them out to be, they're still politicians.

187 beblebrox  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:41:37pm

re: #186 taxfreekiller

The phone call he got was from within the Clinton camp, the voice was
deep, the voice said:

"You little loon shrimp, shut the f up, your screwing my chance to be Pres. up and that could get your head chopped off.

Yours true,
Leader

"Do the words Fort Marcy Park mean anything to you?"

/nuff said

188 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:42:27pm

re: #163 FrogMarch

According to Sean Penn - that's Libertarianism!

Big eyebrows, FrogMarch, big eyebrows ...

189 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:42:28pm

re: #160 ted,

What is amazing, with the media breaking out all the stops to pull defeat from the jaws of victory, is that the support isn't even lower. If we could just get them up to the point of admitting where they are lying...

190 coz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:42:29pm

Mr Mom!

You hurt me man, ... real bad ...

/Donkey from Shrek

191 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:43:09pm

re: #187 vxbush

Several people on this blog are former lefties

Or, to quote..someone (don't know who), "if you are under 30 and aren't a socialist, you have no heart. If you are over 30 and are still a socialist, you have no brain." Or something like that.

192 tupac23x  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:43:49pm

MarkOs said "integrity."

LMAO

"

Integrity comprises the personal inner sense of "wholeness" deriving from honesty and consistent uprightness of character.

" - Wikipedia (at least it's good for something)

Not a single thing in their that sounds like that POS.

Well other than that he, honestly, is an a$$-HOLE of the Highest Order.

193 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:44:53pm

re: #131 Lucius Septimius

Here's another example of "Truth according to Leading Democrats"

In 1973 the U.S. withdrew its troops from Vietnam, and in 1975 Congress, its Democratic majority expanded by the post-Watergate election of 1974, voted to cut off aid to the South Vietnamese government. That year Saigon fell to the communists.

What happened then? Not much, according to Kerry, quoted in the Chicago Tribune:

"We heard that argument over and over again about the bloodbath that would engulf the entire Southeast Asia, and it didn't happen," Kerry said, dismissing the charge out of hand as he argued that the American presence only makes the situation worse every day.

In 2001, California's Orange County Register published an investigation of communist re-education camps in postwar Vietnam:

To corroborate the experiences of refugees now living in Orange County, the Register interviewed dozens of former inmates and their families, both in the United States and Vietnam; analyzed hundreds of pages of documents, including testimony from more than 800 individuals sent to jail; and interviewed Southeast Asian scholars. The review found:

* An estimated 1 million people were imprisoned without formal charges or trials.

* 165,000 people died in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam's re-education camps, according to published academic studies in the United States and Europe.

* Thousands were abused or tortured: their hands and legs shackled in painful positions for months, their skin slashed by bamboo canes studded with thorns, their veins injected with poisonous chemicals, their spirits broken with stories about relatives being killed.

* Prisoners were incarcerated for as long as 17 years, according to the U.S. Department of State, with most terms ranging from three to 10 years.

* At least 150 re-education prisons were built after Saigon fell 26 years ago.

* One in three South Vietnamese families had a relative in a re-education camp.

According to John Kerry, "it didn't happen."

And that's just in Vietnam - Cambodia's genocide isn't even mentioned here. And who knows what's happened, or is still going on, in Laos.

194 americanpundit  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:45:37pm

Oh you gotta love the update from Kos:


And no, Bush won't cancel the next round of elections to remain in power. That's about the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I've seen in a long time. Some people on our side can be just as "out there" as the "black helicopter" crowd.
195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:46:54pm

re: #194 tupac23x

I've heard Kos moonlights as a model for various medical journals. Something about proctologists needing to see a perfect asshole.

196 bosforus  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:46:59pm

re: #196 americanpundit

Some people on our side can be just as "out there" as the "black helicopter" crowd.

Pretty ironic, since for most people with brains he IS the 'black helicopter' crowd

197 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:49:13pm

re: #149 Lucius Septimius

re: #138 MandyManners

I understand your interest. I try neither to offend or appear insensitive on issues like that.

Honour killings are extreme manifestations of patriarchy.

198 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:49:19pm
re: #195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #131 Lucius Septimius


And that's just in Vietnam - Cambodia's genocide isn't even mentioned here. And who knows what's happened, or is still going on, in Laos.


Ask and ye shall receive:

Things were even worse in Cambodia, as the Christian Science Monitor reported in 2005:

When the Khmer Rouge victoriously entered Phnom Penh 30 years ago, many people greeted the rebels with a cautious optimism, weary from five years of civil war that had torn apart their lives and killed hundreds of thousands of Cambodians. . . .

During the nearly four years following that day--April 17, 1975--Cambodia was radically transformed. . . .

Everyday freedoms were abolished. Buddhism and other forms of religious worship were banned. Money, markets, and media disappeared. Travel, public gatherings, and communication were restricted. Contact with the outside world vanished. And the state set out to control what people ate and did each day, whom they married, how they spoke, what they thought, and who would live and die. "To keep you is no gain," the Khmer Rouge warned, "To destroy you is no loss."

In the end, more than 1.7 million of Cambodia's 8 million inhabitants perished from disease, starvation, overwork, or outright execution in a notorious genocide.

But don't worry. According to John Kerry, "it didn't happen."

199 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:49:21pm

re: #196 americanpundit

And no, Bush won't cancel the next round of elections to remain in power. That's about the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I've seen in a long time.

Ah, good. Kos fell for the ol' it's not really gonna happen line. bwahahaha

200 Whammo  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:50:10pm

I think Malcolm X referred to this as: "Chickens coming home to roost".

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a group of Koslings talking about creating another website to vomit their abhorrent world view all over the Internet.

201 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:50:21pm

re: #198 bosforus

re: #196 americanpundit


Some people on our side can be just as "out there" as the "black helicopter" crowd.

Pretty ironic, since for most people with brains he IS the 'black helicopter' crowd

Could somebody tell me what the "black helicopter" thing means.

202 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:50:31pm

re: #196 americanpundit

Oh you gotta love the update from Kos:



And no, Bush won't cancel the next round of elections to remain in power. That's about the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I've seen in a long time. Some people on our side can be just as "out there" as the "black helicopter" crowd.

Kos, you stupid ninny, your people are the freakin' Black Helicopter crowd! How can you not know this? Do a search for "black helicopter" on your on goddamn site!

203 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:51:33pm

re: #202 Whammo,

I certainly hope so! Disgruntled Koslings have a duty to let the world know how they feel!

204 bosforus  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:51:44pm

re: #203 David E

imagine a black unseen helicopter flying around a city taking care of secret conspiracy business. that's what it's referring to. wacky conspiracy theories.

205 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:52:16pm

My last visit was... my last visit. I got banned. Prolly for life. :o)

206 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:52:37pm

re: #203 David E

re: #198 bosforus

re: #196 americanpundit


Some people on our side can be just as "out there" as the "black helicopter" crowd.


Pretty ironic, since for most people with brains he IS the 'black helicopter' crowd

Could somebody tell me what the "black helicopter" thing means.

I would, but then the black helicopters would take me away.

207 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:52:51pm

re: #200 Lucius Septimius

John Kerry went all over South Korea looking for the killing fields. Didn't find it there, so it didn't happen, duh.

208 Whammo  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:52:55pm

re: #12 lawhawk

re: #4 Occam's Beard

He's looking out for himself and his bank account. He has somehow been annointed as a bellweather of the Internet Left and someone who should be feted by Democrats on their way to the elections. If When it is revealed that his site is completely infested and overrun by anti-Semites, anti-military and anti-American leftists, it can and will be used against him.

Fixed :D

209 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:52:57pm

re: #203 David E

re: #198 bosforus


re: #196 americanpundit

Some people on our side can be just as "out there" as the "black helicopter" crowd.

Pretty ironic, since for most people with brains he IS the 'black helicopter' crowd

Could somebody tell me what the "black helicopter" thing means.

Wiki has it.

210 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:53:34pm

re: #135 forrest

Diversity, in their lexicon, has nothing to do with begin different. It is race only. Or specifically, non-white, usually black (although sometimes it can refer to gay also).

A mixture of white and non-white is diverse. Even an all black group is still diverse. Only all white is non-diverse. Of course, being all the same political party, income, taste in music, religion, occupation, etc. does not matter at all.

Someone tried to make fun of that narrow-definition with a t-shirt that had several different guns on it, labeled "Celebrate Diversity."

Its message was, when you say diversity, you don't always mean people. There are other kinds of diversity. Like political thought on gun ownership, for example. (An issue about which the LLL crowd doesn't tolerate diverse thought)

OF COURSE, the LLL missed the point entirely. Stubbornly believing that diversity can only mean black people, they concluded the shirt is advocating celebrating black people by shooting them.

I kid you not, this is how they intrepreted the shirt.

A quick google of "celebrate diversity" t-shirt brings up blog and blog entry on the subject.

211 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:53:48pm

re: #199 MandyManners

Not sure I'm following you. Is honor killing therefore distinct from domestic violence, or are the two different manifestations of the same phenomena (i.e. patriarchy)?

212 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:54:40pm

But I want a purple helicopter.

213 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:54:43pm

re: #206 bosforus


Thanks, conspiracies just isn't in my brief. I'll leave that to Oliver Stone and not give him my money.

214 Charles  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:55:02pm

Here's something interesting -- I'm seeing a lot of referrals with this address:

[Link: preview.tinyurl.com...]

TinyURL is a service that lets you create a smaller web address, but it also hides where the link is coming from. There are so many of these referrals that this must be a high-traffic site that's linked to us with TinyURL -- but they apparently didn't want us to be able to know. Hmm.

Anyone notice a link to LGF somewhere, using TinyURL?

215 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:55:08pm

Yes, democracy is flourishing in Venezuela, at least according to dKos posters.

Chavez to Kick Out Foreigners Critical of Him

CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez said Sunday that foreigners who publicly criticize him or his government while visiting Venezuela will be expelled from the country.

Chavez ordered officials to closely monitor statements made by international figures during their visits to Venezuela — and deport any outspoken critics.

"How long are we going to allow a person — from any country in the world — to come to our own house to say there's a dictatorship here, that the president is a tyrant, and nobody does anything about it?" Chavez asked during his weekly television and radio program.

The Venezuelan leader's statements came after Manuel Espino, the president of Mexico's conservative ruling party, criticized Chavez during a recent pro-democracy forum in Caracas.

Government opponents argue Chavez — a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro — is becoming increasingly authoritarian and cracking down on dissent as he steers oil-rich Venezuela toward what he calls "21st-century socialism."...

216 Irish Rose  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:55:26pm

Way too late for this, Markos.

I visit your site frequently - not every day, but frequently. I like to check out the opposing viewpoints and sometimes I run across an interesting read.

But the hatred and vitriol that spews out of your site on a daily basis (and has, for a looooong time now) is beyond stomach churning, and I never stay there for very long. Like it or not, DK has a solid reputation for being a liberal hate site - a reputation that is extremely well-earned in my estimation, and for just this reason. Your absence has exacerbated the problem: the monkeys have taken over the zoo. Gonna be a big job to round them all up and clean up the shit, Markos... good luck.

Suggest you stop spending so much time rubbing genitals with the players on the Hill and pay closer attention to YOUR SITE... you know, the site that bears your name? Do your damned job, Markos, and supervise the mob. This is what a webmaster DOES. If you're not up to the task, then give it over to someone else.

YOU might not be watching 24/7, but WE ARE. We're watching out here 24/7, and make no mistake.... we see what your minions are posting at DK in your absence, and we WILL document it. We are NOT going to give your vicious liberal hate mob any quarter.

Count on it.

217 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:55:27pm

re: #212 Golem Akbar

I trust you guys more than wiki.

218 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:55:51pm

re: #213 Silhouette

re: #135 forrest

Diversity, in their lexicon, has nothing to do with begin different. It is race only. Or specifically, non-white, usually black (although sometimes it can refer to gay also).

A mixture of white and non-white is diverse. Even an all black group is still diverse. Only all white is non-diverse.

I like telling people I live in a very diverse neighborhood - Italians, Irish, Germans, Poles...

219 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:56:34pm

re: #210 David E

re: #200 Lucius Septimius

John Kerry went all over South Korea looking for the killing fields. Didn't find it there, so it didn't happen, duh.

Maybe he should look in South Carolina.

/what a dope

220 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:58:28pm

re: #222 Ward Cleaver


If he looks in South Detroit he be getting warm.

221 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:58:31pm

re: #220 David E

re: #212 Golem Akbar

I trust you guys more than wiki.

And they know where you live..

222 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:58:57pm

re: #217 Charles

Here's something interesting -- I'm seeing a lot of referrals with this address:

[Link: preview.tinyurl.com...]

TinyURL is a service that lets you create a smaller web address, but it also hides where the link is coming from. There are so many of these referrals that this must be a high-traffic site that's linked to us with TinyURL -- but they apparently didn't want us to be able to know. Hmm.

Anyone notice a link to LGF somewhere, using TinyURL?

A lot of companies block Tinyurl, since it can be used to circumvent Web filters.

What do you see when you click on that link?

223 Sir Lurksalot  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 1:59:35pm

Why can't I post a link?

224 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:00:05pm
225 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:00:06pm

re: #224 David E

re: #222 Ward Cleaver


If he looks in South Detroit he be getting warm.

Sounds like that Journey song ... Maybe he should roll the dice just one more time.

226 Catttt  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:00:07pm

"My patience is wearing thin" reminds me of the old Groucho Marx bit from Horsefeathers:

Wagstaff's Receptionist: Oh, Professor, the Dean of Science wants to know how soon you can see him. He says he's tired of cooling his heels out here.
Professor Wagstaff: Tell him I'm cooling a couple of heels in here.
[receptionist leaves and re-enters fifteen seconds later]
Wagstaff's Receptionist: The Dean is furious! He's waxing wroth!
Professor Wagstaff: Is Roth out there, too? Tell Roth to wax the Dean for awhile.

227 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:00:29pm

re: #223 ConservativeAcademic

In universities there are three different animals:

1. scientists - actually do the useful stuff
2. scholars - sometimes do useful stuff with information, but pseudo-scholars also produce utter crap (eg Walt-Mearsheimer-Churchill-Finkelstein-e tc.)
3. academics - political apparatchiks, dangerous and worthless.

You forgot:

4. Administration - professors who now get to go around telling others how to run things, even though they have never run a business in their lives.

228 RobCon  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:00:29pm

I wonder if he stamped his foot when he typed that......

229 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:00:29pm

re: #221 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't entirely understand the animus towards wiki here. As far as sites on the web go, wiki is highly informative on an endless variety of subjects, just so long as you remember it's still just a website. The web is chock full of lies on absolutely any subject you can think of. Wiki is no worse than any other site, and a lot better than most.

230 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:01:13pm

he'll......I never learn, that horrifying couple of seconds between hit post and seeing you have an error just isn't learning me anything. And yes I wrote learning.

231 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:02:07pm

No, anything but Journey!

/aaaaaarrrrrgggggghhhh!

232 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:02:27pm

re: #233 Lizard by the Bay

Hmmm, sorry, that was supposed to reference post #220, not #221. Not sure what happened.

233 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:02:34pm

re: #227 Sir Lurksalot


IE ? Just cut and paste the URL without using the link tool will get is done.

234 Charles  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:02:41pm

re: #226 Ward Cleaver

A lot of companies block Tinyurl, since it can be used to circumvent Web filters.

What do you see when you click on that link?

It just takes you to the TinyURL preview page, and shows that the link goes to LGF.

235 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:02:46pm

re: #236 Lizard by the Bay

re: #233 Lizard by the Bay

Hmmm, sorry, that was supposed to reference post #220, not #221. Not sure what happened.

A black helicopter, of course.

/duh

236 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:02:55pm

re: #233 Lizard by the Bay

As far as sites on the web go, wiki is highly informative on an endless variety of subjects

I agree. It's not perfect, but for the vast majority of stuff, it does a very good job. Like anything, information can be distorted. Of course, CNN is never wrong...

237 Catttt  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:03:18pm

re: #226 Ward Cleaver

re: #217 Charles


Here's something interesting -- I'm seeing a lot of referrals with this address:

[Link: preview.tinyurl.com...]

TinyURL is a service that lets you create a smaller web address, but it also hides where the link is coming from. There are so many of these referrals that this must be a high-traffic site that's linked to us with TinyURL -- but they apparently didn't want us to be able to know. Hmm.

Anyone notice a link to LGF somewhere, using TinyURL?


A lot of companies block Tinyurl, since it can be used to circumvent Web filters.

What do you see when you click on that link?

Charles, it's Sadlyno - here [Link: www.sadlyno.com...] - top of the homepage at the moment.

238 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:03:34pm

Charles:

Have you tried to do a web search on a text string that is the TinyURL link itself?

239 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:03:41pm

They debate....when?...the comments I have seen have all been name calling.

240 RadicalRon  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:03:43pm

Pssst! Grand Ayatollah of Koslamistan!

Take a real close look at wazzup, doood. You're a moral relativist, so you know there's nothing wrong with hating the military, or being anti-Semitic, or hating America, so lay off the Kooky Kult Kiddyz and let them do what they do best.

I think the Bushchimphitler-Pajamashadeen-Joooish Conspiracy is out to get you just kos you're an asshat. So, don't go more all paranoid on us.

241 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:04:27pm

re: #217 Charles

Charles, a TinyURL link to LGF was posted on ChenZhen's website late last night. Maybe that's where the traffic is coming from?

242 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:04:49pm

re: #214 Lucius Septimius

re: #199 MandyManners

Not sure I'm following you. Is honor killing therefore distinct from domestic violence, or are the two different manifestations of the same phenomena (i.e. patriarchy)?

The latter.

One of the key pieces of evidence for me that the Democratic Party has been taken over by people who hate freedom, who hate America, is the utter lack of outrage about the plight of Muslim women in Islamic nations and Muslim and non-Muslim women in the rest of the world when they are raped/beaten/killed/generally oppressed by Islamic patriarchy.

They're sacrificing freedom for multi-culturalism. In the name of not offending, they're ignoring the perils.

BabbaZee's right: The GRAMSCIAN WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE.

243 David E  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:04:52pm

re: #233 Lizard by the Bay


Because any bozo can change entries for whatever reason. My college has banned wiki as a source.

244 mean Gene  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:04:55pm

Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas is NOT appealing for civility.
He is acting the part perfectly of the lazy, cruel, authoritarian, liberal.
Note his own words:

I much prefer it when the community moderates itself. The libertarian lazy person in me prefers it that way. But sometimes, self-moderation isn’t enough. I’ll act swiftly and mercilessly when I’m pushed into defending the effectiveness having to answer about the filthy emotionalism of this site. And at this moment, my patience is wearing thin.

Then this:

This is my one and only warning on the matter.

Did Stalin give lessons?

245 easy  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:05:04pm

#195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And that's just in Vietnam - Cambodia's genocide isn't even mentioned here. And who knows what's happened, or is still going on, in Laos.


Laos' forgotten Hmong

The group he encountered was living in a state of constant siege, with women and children in desperate need of food and medical attention - and constantly on the run from the Lao authorities.

"These people are hunted like wild animals," said Mr Perrin. "It has been going on for nearly 30 years."

246 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:05:24pm

re: #246 MandyManners

Not feeling very articulate today. Sorry.

247 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:05:32pm

re: #156 therewaslight

I passed a billboard that says "Holy Cow!". I don't foresee Hindus going on murderous rampages any time soon.

If they didn't kill over books and movies and cartoons and Pope comments and instead behaved like the other religions, the answer to the complaint would have been to tell them to get over it.

248 RobCon  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:06:01pm

"I’ll act swiftly and mercilessly when I’m pushed into defending the effectiveness of this site"
Oh my......Yes, Ming the Merciless.

249 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:06:13pm

since I got us off onto the Libertarian tangent-- here is one more difference:

Libertarians do not want the government to be centralized. Libertarians want pure local and individual control. (ie: we should educate our own children and build our own roads...) However, the one area where Libertarians are accepting of big government is... wait for it....
THE MILITARY.

Ironic. Guess who hates the Military?

Modern Democrats (from the 60's forward) have done everything can to discredit and diminish our Military. When the Clinton's were in office, they were big on cutting Military spending. And they made huge cuts.
This is a big no-no to traditional Libertarians. Libertarians want a large, strong Military.

KOS is not a Libertarian. I call bullshit once again...

250 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:06:31pm

Barack Obama can cure pancreatic cancer merely by laying his hands on the afflicted.

251 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:06:47pm

Cheez-what a day. More hatred for our troops, more praises for our enemies, lies piled upon lies, and as a topper, some Larouchophile tried to accost me outside the Post Office about impeachment. I attribute this to the baleful presence of the She-hag in my neck of the woods. The only bright note is this half-hearted shamefacedness from the Koslings. May they be tied in knots. If they want to engage in a round of Maoist self-criticism, so be it. At least that usually ends with a bullet in the neck and an organ harvesting, so someone gets something out of the deal.

252 coz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:07:14pm

re: #250 MandyManners

re: #246 MandyManners

Not feeling very articulate today. Sorry.

Mandy,

you're "not very articulate" beats my "articulate" any day.

253 bulwrk  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:07:51pm

re: #250 MandyManners

I'd be happy with your not very articulate

254 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:08:04pm

re: #217 Charles

I noticed that earlier, I checked technorati but couldn't find out where it's coming from.

255 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:08:12pm

re: #108 totally berserk

Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet:

May I trouble you with an OT meteorology question? I'm wondering where they get the 10-day forecasts. Do they just morph today's forecast into the average weather of 10 days from now, or is there something more scientific at work?

Mostly I'm interested because people who can't forecast the weather 10 days from now assure us that the global warming will raise the temperature by half a degree Celsius in 100 years...


Well, most people derive the 10 day forecasts (with accuracy decreasing with extended time) from a combination of pattern recognition and climatology (most useful in places like Southern California that has long periods of the year with unchanging weather), but primarily from the models that have extended forecast periods, such as the US GFS model, the DGEX model, which is the shorter range, higher resolution model, the WRF, which forecasts out 3.5 days, started at 3.5 days with initial conditions set from the GFS 3.5 day forecast, and with boundary conditions supplied by the GFS. The WRF is a North American mesoscale model, which only generated forecasts for North America and surrounding areas extending about as far West as Hawaii to as far East as just beyond the Antilles. Because it is so much higher resolution, it isn't run worldwide, which would take up too much computational power, but because it isn't global, its forecast start failing at 3 or 4 days as events beyond its range of prediction would impact weather closer to the US. The DGEX tries to get around that using imput from the GFS, but obviously, as the GFS forecast degrades with extended time, so does the DGEX, and if the GFS misforecasts something major right off the bat, the DGEX will be flawed. The Yurpian Community runs a 10 day forecast, as does the Japanese Met Agency, the Canadians, and the UK.

To further estimate how robust a model's long range solution will be, "ensemble forecasts" are run, for example, on the GFS, using the same model equations, but with small changes introduced into the initial conditions. If the enesembles closely match in their forecast for a certain time period, the model is stating the weather pattern isn't too sensitive to small changes. If the ensembles diverge significantly, than the weather pattern is rather unstable, and the butterfly in Brazil may indeed cause a tornado in Kansas. The various models are also compared to each other, and certain models are known to have certain common errors, so a human forecaster can tailor a 10 day forecast based on all this. Even with ever improving weather models and better computers, practical limits on input data are reached, as there can't be a weather station and upper air sounding point every half mile, to completely sample the atmosphere.


BTW, as a fan of Texas weather, surprise weather events, especially in Spring, such as severe weather outbreaks, are more common than in other parts of the country, because to the West and Southwest of much of Texas is Mexico, which has a much lower density of upper air balloon launch sites and weather observing stations, so the models have to extrapolate the initial conditions to a far greater degree, increasing the chance that they are wrong.

256 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:08:23pm

re: #241 Catttt

Oh, they're whining about us. Apparently we've never met any liberals.

257 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:08:28pm

re: #254 Dirk Diggler

Barack Obama can cure pancreatic cancer merely by laying his hands on the afflicted.

His 2nd Miracle was that he cured a ham.

258 Charles  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:08:46pm

Ah, of course. The crackheads at Sadly No. I should have guessed.

They're doing it to get around the redirect. Big surprise for them now in place.

259 El Guape  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:09:27pm

Canada resumes funding to the Palestinian Authority
Mon Jul 23, 1:11 PM
CALGARY (CBC) - Canada has resumed its financial support of the Palestinian Authority with an immediate contribution of $8 million, the federal government announced on Monday.
"In light of the new Palestinian government's commitment to non-violence, recognition of Israel, and acceptance of previous agreements and obligations, and in recognition of the opportunity for a renewal of peace efforts, Canada will provide assistance to the new Palestinian government," Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay said in a statement.
But MacKay added he recognizes the Palestinian government still faces "fundamental challenges" in governance and the rule of law, and said he hopes the funds will help with reforms.
Canada will make an immediate contribution of $8 million through the Canadian International Development Agency, the government said.
Minister of International Cooperation Josée Verner said an additional $1 million will go to the International Committee of the Red Cross for humanitarian assistance.
"Canada is also very concerned about the humanitarian situation of the Palestinians, especially in Gaza," she said in the release.
According to the Canadian government, Canada provided more than $30 million in humanitarian assistance to Palestinians, including refugees, in the last fiscal year.
Canada was one of the first Western countries to cut off funding after Hamas, considered a terrorist group by some, won the January 2006 Palestinian election.
The Western boycott was one of the factors that prompted Hamas to form a coalition government with rival Mahmoud Abbas and his Fatah party in March 2007.
That unity government fell apart last month after Hamas launched a six-day gun battle and seized the Gaza Strip. In response, Abbas ousted Hamas from the unity government, which still has control of the West Bank.
With files from the Canadian Press

260 Catttt  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:09:40pm

re: #262 Charles

Ah, of course. The crackheads at Sadly No. I should have guessed.

They're doing it to get around the redirect. Big surprise for them now in place.

Heh heh heh.

261 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:09:41pm

re: #241 Catttt

Nice catch.

262 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:10:16pm

re: #262 Charles

Ah, of course. The crackheads at Sadly No. I should have guessed.

They're doing it to get around the redirect. Big surprise for them now in place.

Ohhhh...this sounds fun!

263 'sugarcoat'  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:10:22pm

re: #56 FrogMarch

I've told my DEM cousin to tell truthers she's a libertarian, so they won't shout in her face. She's got strange conspiracy theories, that she's come up with all on her own- something about 20 guys with boxcutters taking over passenger planes.
Alot of moonbats don't know alot about the Libertarian Party, so they can't stereotype and insult and shout down someone who claims that affiliation.
It may not be the truth for her, but it stops alot of arguments.
Saying that your Libertarian is the Excedrin of the progressive world.

264 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:10:30pm

re: #250 MandyManners

I understand -- just making sure.

265 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:10:34pm

re: #246 MandyManners

One of the key pieces of evidence for me that the Democratic Party has been taken over by people who hate freedom, who hate America

What gives me pause is that my democrat friends (most of my friends are democrats) all believe that the rhetoric is just that, words of opposition to Bush and the Republicans. They say I shouldn't take it all so literally. The dems don't really mean it. (!) That in itself is pretty scary.

266 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:11:11pm

re: #247 David E

I understand that. I didn't say that wiki should be treated as gospel truth. In fact, I rather clearly stated the exact opposite. But I strongly disagree that it is useless. Besides, there isn't a website out there (even LGF) that I would accept as a scholarly source. I sure wasn't trying to sell it that way.

267 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:11:34pm

re: #267 'sugarcoat'

Saying that your Libertarian is the Excedrin of the progressive world.

Hmmm. I think I'd rather be the Vicodin of the progressive world.

268 WeaselZipper  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:11:43pm

Did Kos call "progressives" reasonable?

I want what he is smoking!

269 bosforus  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:13:00pm

re: #262 Charles

Ah, of course. The crackheads at Sadly No. I should have guessed.

They're doing it to get around the redirect. Big surprise for them now in place.

Nice. Too bad it's not midnight with my lights off in my house. It would've been more fun.

270 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:13:18pm

re: #262 Charles

There's another tinyurl link to LGF on the next post down on Sadly No.

271 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:13:49pm

re: #262 Charles

That little swf you sent them too is a real piece of artwork. Not only does it express the appropriate sentiment, but the soundtrack and technical quality of the animation reinforce the point.

272 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:15:42pm

re: #275 karmic_inquisitor

Oh, my! ROTFLMAO.

273 Charles  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:16:02pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

re: #262 Charles

There's another tinyurl link to LGF on the next post down on Sadly No.

Thanks. Added to the jerk filter.

274 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:16:28pm

I commend Charles for not developing a world devouring ego over these last five years. Even if I shared Kos's political viewpoints, I would find his self-importance to be too nauseating to stomach.

275 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:17:28pm

re: #277 Charles

That thing's going to give me epilepsy.

276 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:17:44pm

re: #255 Pullus Iulius

If they want to engage in a round of Maoist self-criticism, so be it. At least that usually ends with a bullet in the neck and an organ harvesting, so someone gets something out of the deal.

Heh.

277 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:17:45pm

I take it they assume we (the general LGF reader/poster) want to put "sand-n*****s" (a racist term for Arabs that manages to be offensive to African-Americans as well) into ovens at Sadly No?


Well, he also hates Mark Steyn, and thinks Hugh Hewitt's description of himself as "center-right" is hysterical because Hewitt is actually king of the facist wing-nuts.


So you're in good company, they hate a lot of good people.

278 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:18:15pm

re: #276 vxbush

For anyone who doesn't want to go to tinyurl first, here is the swf they now get redirected to - [Link: members.shaw.ca...]

Like I said - an piece of artwork.

279 WeaselZipper  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:18:41pm

My bet is it was posted in the komments from Kos' post, there are over 800+

280 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:19:04pm

re: #262 Charles

Ah, of course. The crackheads at Sadly No. I should have guessed.

They're doing it to get around the redirect. Big surprise for them now in place.

Something involving a picture of Sharon with his dog?

281 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:19:21pm

So, Sadly No is asserting that we are somehow lacking in the humor department because we fail to appreciate the wit and subtlety of Rudy Jew-liani?

282 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:19:41pm

re: #262 Charles

Now that's funny!

/you are an idiot!

283 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:19:47pm

re: #262 Charles

Tee hee hee. I like the dancing bunny.

284 Bob's Kid  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:19:49pm

re: #219 Irish Rose

Way too late for this, Markos.

I visit your site frequently - not every day, but frequently. I like to check out the opposing viewpoints and sometimes I run across an interesting read.

But the hatred and vitriol that spews out of your site on a daily basis (and has, for a looooong time now) is beyond stomach churning, and I never stay there for very long. Like it or not, DK has a solid reputation for being a liberal hate site - a reputation that is extremely well-earned in my estimation, and for just this reason. Your absence has exacerbated the problem: the monkeys have taken over the zoo. Gonna be a big job to round them all up and clean up the shit, Markos... good luck.

Suggest you stop spending so much time rubbing genitals with the players on the Hill and pay closer attention to YOUR SITE... you know, the site that bears your name? Do your damned job, Markos, and supervise the mob. This is what a webmaster DOES. If you're not up to the task, then give it over to someone else.

YOU might not be watching 24/7, but WE ARE. We're watching out here 24/7, and make no mistake.... we see what your minions are posting at DK in your absence, and we WILL document it. We are NOT going to give your vicious liberal hate mob any quarter.

Count on it.

Oh, how that's gonna sting.

:)

(well said, as befits # 4,000,000)

285 Catttt  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:20:12pm

re: #284 Ward Cleaver

re: #262 Charles


Ah, of course. The crackheads at Sadly No. I should have guessed.

They're doing it to get around the redirect. Big surprise for them now in place.


Something involving a picture of Sharon with his dog?

I loved that one. That site had the pic up for weeks. Actually, it may still be up.

286 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:20:54pm

re: #282 karmic_inquisitor

man - 2 posts today and both are pimfs - "to" not "too" and "a" not "an".

287 lefty201  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:20:55pm

lets be honest and open about what he has to say. I mean, we should all be willing to engage in dialog that is both meaningful and just.


Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Screw you KOS kiddie

you deserve to have your blog chewed apart and destroyed by the monsters you have created.

don't like it, DIAF fool.

288 coz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:21:09pm

Charles,

Great song,

kinda catchy!

289 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:21:11pm

re: #267 'sugarcoat'

re: #56 FrogMarch

I've told my DEM cousin to tell truthers she's a libertarian, so
they won't shout in her face. She's got strange conspiracy theories,
that she's come up with all on her own- something about 20 guys with
boxcutters taking over passenger planes.
Alot of moonbats don't know alot about the Libertarian Party, so
they can't stereotype and insult and shout down someone who claims that
affiliation.
It may not be the truth for her, but it stops alot of arguments.
Saying that your Libertarian is the Excedrin of the progressive world.


Maybe they should all take a fist full of vicodin and wake up when it's over. There is something mentally amiss within the ranks of the democrat party. I feel sorry for traditional Libertarians. The freaks are trying to take it over.

It all goes back to the fact the liberals... er I mean progressives are continually searching for a fresh moniker to hang onto. They keep soiling them.

290 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:21:11pm

swf? Where do you come up with this stuff Charles?

That is f**king hilarious!

291 vxbush  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:22:17pm

Homeward bound. Later!

292 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:22:18pm

re: #285 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

So, Sadly No is asserting that we are somehow lacking in the humor department because we fail to appreciate the wit and subtlety of Rudy Jew-liani?

Essentially, yes. Racist humor isn't funny, unless it's about white people, or those pseudo-whites known as Asians and Jews. Why are Asians lumped in there? Because they had the nerve to go and be successful on their own without the need for the Dem teat. Big no-no, wandering off the ethnic reservation like that.

293 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:23:38pm
I’ll act swiftly and mercilessly when I’m pushed into defending the effectiveness of this site. And at this moment, my patience is wearing thin.

Why do I picture him sitting in an overstuffed chair with a monocle in his eye, petting a cat in his lap.

294 budvarakbar  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:24:02pm

They have been getting new orders from the DNC/Hitlery camp -- the Bosheviks in the demoCRAP party know that their horrible treasonous activity over the last several years has severally impeded the military effort in Iraq -- and in actuallity HAS PROVIDED AID AND COMFORT to the ENEMY -- and they have the blood of many people on their hands - AGAIN -- basically the left is starting to run scared at all levels -- the fickle finger of fate is steadily turning in their direction -- if you live in a leftist dominated state/county and or City watch closely >> they are in high gear trying to get some of their more distastful crap implemented - cause they know the majority of the public are getting wise and p-o'ed big time -- they found out what "POWER TO THE PEOPLE" really meant on the immigration shamnasty slap down!

295 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:24:09pm

re: #286 Killian Bundy

Killian - give the work some respect, dude.

It is "You are A Idiot".

It grammatically reinforces the whole point.

296 bulwrk  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:24:10pm

re: #286 Killian Bundy


Was that perfected at Guantanamo Bay?

297 Bob's Kid  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:24:29pm

re: #262 Charles

Ah, of course. The crackheads at Sadly No. I should have guessed.

They're doing it to get around the redirect. Big surprise for them now in place.

Pardon me for chortling...

298 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:26:30pm

re: #297 hous bin pharteen

Actually, that would be me. Except the cat is a big grey tabby Manx.

"You know the punishment for failure ..."

299 easy  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:26:32pm

re: #279 Killgore Trout

re: #277 Charles

That thing's going to give me epilepsy.


Definitely seizure material.

300 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:26:55pm

re: #256 coz

re: #257 bulwrk

re: #268 Lucius Septimius

I'm busy rearranging The Kid's closet and getting him to try on pants to see if they still fit. So, I was a bit hot under the collar when I took the time to think this through.

301 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:27:17pm

re: #297 hous bin pharteen

Yeah - the whole "mercilessly" and "swiftly" just boils over with machismo swagger. You'd think the feminists at Kos would have decried the language as "phallocentric" but he is a hero to their cause, so he gets a pass.

/what else should we expect?

302 TMF  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:27:22pm

Still think this is all a KOSian plot to appear "moderate" and "supporty" of the troops

Post a few anti-troop diaries, then "moderate" KOS comes to the rescue, bashing the anti-mil posters

303 Sizzlack  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:27:35pm

I was unaware American contractors who were in Iraq helping to rebuild roads, bridges and other infrastructure were considered mercenaries but the clueless left. Now if you're talking blackwater ok different story but Halliburton, as much as they might hate it, isn't there to shoot Iraqis, they are there to build oil lines.

304 TMF  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:28:05pm

Yeah, I do think their POWERLUST is that strong that they would engage in stalinist deception.

305 Bob's Kid  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:28:40pm

Oh, Charles...change it to "You are an idiot." Wouldn't want a bit of hurried grammar dilute the message you're trying to send, heh.

306 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:28:42pm

re: #269 Golem Akbar

What gives me pause is that my democrat friends (most of my friends are democrats) all believe that the rhetoric is just that, words of opposition to Bush and the Republicans. They say I shouldn't take it all so literally. The dems don't really mean it. (!) That in itself is pretty scary.

We should feel better because they're engaging in mental masturbation and don't really mean what they say? ! How dumb do they think we are?

307 bulwrk  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:28:43pm

re: #304 MandyManners

I'm afraid to look in my kids closet.

308 MilkOfMalfeasance  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:29:26pm

Oooh, I'm scarred!

309 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:29:49pm
310 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:29:51pm

re: #309 Bob's Kid

Oh, Charles...change it to "You are an idiot." Wouldn't want a bit of hurried grammar dilute the message you're trying to send, heh.

I sent the link to myself, so I can see it at home.

311 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:29:57pm

re: #278 Dirk Diggler

I commend Charles for not developing a world devouring ego over these last five years. Even if I shared Kos's political viewpoints, I would find his self-importance to be too nauseating to stomach.

He needs a big bite of humility taken out of his butt.

312 BulgarWheat  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:30:22pm

#311 bulwrk

I usually just light a couple oily rags and toss them into the kids closets once a year. That approach has been working for me...

313 peck  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:30:24pm

re: #28 Occasional Reader

Yes. Sunlight is good for most living things and bad for the dark side. The more they expose of their true selves, the more they can be seen for what they are by a wider audience. If the little cockroaches keep hiding behind the baseboards because Kos instructs them to do so, only a select few such as the lizard kingdom, will have the privilege of seeing the truth. Many more need to brought into this knowledge. Just look at what the O'Reilly exposure of Jet Blue accomplished.

314 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:31:10pm

re: #285 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

So, Sadly No is asserting that we are somehow lacking in the humor department because we fail to appreciate the wit and subtlety of Rudy Jew-liani?

They wouldn't know humor if it bit them in the butt.

315 bulwrk  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:31:25pm

re: #316 BulgarWheat


I'll give that a try.

316 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:32:04pm

re: #299 karmic_inquisitor

I played it, and now my five year old and my 2 year old are running around singing the song. They catch on quick.

317 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:32:06pm

Not naming names- but for several reasons, I think "Hitlerry" as a nic for the nagging neo-Stalinist in a pantsuit is a bad idea. For one thing, it sounds too much like the Bush=Hilter whackjobs of the LLL.

318 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:32:08pm

re: #309 Bob's Kid

Oh, Charles...change it to "You are an idiot." Wouldn't want a bit of hurried grammar dilute the message you're trying to send, heh.

I don't think it's Charles's animation to change.

319 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:32:14pm

What is with me and biting in the butt today?

320 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:32:38pm

re: #286 Killian Bundy

re: #262 Charles

Now that's funny!

/you are an idiot!

How did you get to that? (

321 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:33:10pm

re: #304 MandyManners

re: #256 coz

re: #257 bulwrk

re: #268 Lucius Septimius

I'm busy rearranging The Kid's closet and getting him to try on pants to see if they still fit. So, I was a bit hot under the collar when I took the time to think this through.

I'm doing laundry, cleaning house, and trying to get dinner together, and get the boys to pick up their room. I'm a little distracted.

322 slartybartfast  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:33:43pm

It's almost a shame that this has caught Markos' attention relatively quickly. The funk from dKos was really starting to stink up the Left end of the blogosphere.

When your opponent is making a mistake, don't interfere.

323 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:33:53pm

Before you buy new things for your kids' closets:

The Following States Are Offering Tax Free Holidays This Year

Most tax-free weekends are right before Back To School. In other words, very soon.

Alabama
Connecticut
Florida
Georgia
Iowa
Maryland
Missouri
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Virginia
Washington D.C.

324 Bob's Kid  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:33:59pm

re: #322 Lizard by the Bay

re: #309 Bob's Kid

Oh, Charles...change it to "You are an idiot." Wouldn't want a bit of hurried grammar dilute the message you're trying to send, heh.
I don't think it's Charles's animation to change.

Ah.

I am so my grandmother/mother's child that that sort of mistake is worse than the strobe. :)

325 'sugarcoat'  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:35:05pm

re: #293 FrogMarch

Well, I guess she could tell them she's a wiccan, but then they would gush and fawn over her, which, in her case, would not do.
The moniker 'Democrat', for people like my cousin, who is not a raving moonbat, (this is possible) is being spoiled by people like Kos, and there's nothing she can do about it. I suspect there should be a made up party name to take the place of Libertarian, that could cover the people that don't froth at the mouth when speaking.

326 jcm  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:35:24pm

re: #231 vxbush

re: #223 ConservativeAcademic

In universities there are three different animals:

1. scientists - actually do the useful stuff
2. scholars - sometimes do useful stuff with information, but pseudo-scholars also produce utter crap (eg Walt-Mearsheimer-Churchill-Finkelstein-e tc.)
3. academics - political apparatchiks, dangerous and worthless.

You forgot:

4. Administration - professors who now get to go around telling others how to run things, even though they have never run a business in their lives.

The rarest beast of all to be found in the campi habitat, a genuine TEACHER. This beast is interest in pass on KNOWLEDGE, in training the immature creature called a student in such arcane skills as critical thinking, searching out objective truth, ability to debate and defend a position. This highly endangered species goal is to release into society a highly skill competent individual.

327 ChenZhen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:35:28pm
I much prefer it when the community moderates itself, and for the most part it does a good job of this. The libertarian in me prefers it that way. But sometimes, self-moderation isn’t enough. I’ll act swiftly and mercilessly when I’m pushed into defending the effectiveness of this site. And at this moment, my patience is wearing thin.

-Kos 7/23/07

A note: I am absolutely fed up with posts that advocate rounding up all Muslims and/or illegal aliens and putting them in camps, or that use bigoted language. I do not agree with this kind of crap, it drags the site down, and those comments are not welcome here.

I'm not going to take the heat for it any more -- I'm simply going to start blocking people who do it.

#63 Charles 6/22/2007 8:51:45 pm PDT

328 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:35:36pm

re: #326 slartybartfast

When your opponent is making a mistake, don't interfere.

But if Charles doesn't expose them, how else will anyone know?

329 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:35:39pm

re: #324 FrogMarch

How did you get to that? (

I Googled the website Charles mentioned and then clicked their link to LGF.

/nothing magical

330 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:36:14pm

re: #311 bulwrk

Once he gets old enough to manage his clothes, I'll do a room inspection once a month. (No white glove.)

331 coz  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:36:29pm

Mandy and Lucius,

hats off to ya both.

I'm not really doin' much of anything and I'm distracted.

332 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:36:54pm

re: #323 MandyManners

What is with me and biting in the butt today?

Hey, there's nothing wrong with biting butt. Mmmmm.

333 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:39:04pm

re: #325 Lucius Septimius

Keeping house is more than a full-time job. I can't wait to get back to work outside the house to get some rest. The bummer then will be that I'll have to clean on the weekends. Shit. I'm gonna' get someone to clean for me. And, iron. I hate ironing.

334 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:40:18pm

#305 karmic...


Yeah, but his machismo always comes in a high pitched voice.

#286 killian...

That is no fair.
I am just getting a white screen at that link.
I wanna see! I wanna see!

Waaaahhahahaahaha

335 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:41:00pm

re: #331 ChenZhen

The difference is clear. Those sorts of posts are a rarity at LGF, and have never been given a safe haven here. Charles deletes posts and bans users who do not represent what his blog is about. Kos let his brand of hate fester for years (and fed into it often) before realizing it could hurt the very party in which he hopes to become a major player. There is hypocrisy in Kos's attempts to "clean" his site.

336 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:42:07pm

re: #335 coz

Ttthhhhhhhppppppppppppptttttttttttttttttt.

337 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:42:36pm

re: #331 ChenZhen

But Mitchell says he then pulled the posting from both blogs after readers, liberals and conservatives alike, “ripped it to shreds.” He says no one from Daily Kos asked him to remove the posting.

-Corey Mitchell 7/23/07


Kos talks the talk.
Charles walks the walk!

338 slartybartfast  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:43:09pm

re: #332 Lizard by the Bay

re: #326 slartybartfast


When your opponent is making a mistake, don't interfere.

But if Charles doesn't expose them, how else will anyone know?

Yes, I considered that, and we're all indebted to Charles for shining the light on these cockroaches. Still, if the pseudo-adult hadn't (apparently) stepped in, the funk would have gotten worse quickly (IMHO). I'm not sure it's bad enough for the Democrats to wipe it off their shoes yet.

339 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:43:43pm

re: #336 Lucius Septimius

re: #336 Lucius Septimius

Paging Dr. Freud!

340 slartybartfast  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:44:56pm

re: #339 Lizard by the Bay

re: #331 ChenZhen

The difference is clear. Those sorts of posts are a rarity at LGF, and have never been given a safe haven here. Charles deletes posts and bans users who do not represent what his blog is about. Kos let his brand of hate fester for years (and fed into it often) before realizing it could hurt the very party in which he hopes to become a major player. There is hypocrisy in Kos's attempts to "clean" his site.

Further--and please correct me if I'm wrong--Kos has a real problem with the published diaries. Charles only has to worry about our comments. Huge, huge difference.

341 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:45:18pm

re: #331 ChenZhen

Wow, that comparison would really be meanful IF this thread was mocking Kos for wanting to crack down on hateful stuff.

But this thread is about mocking Kos for wanting to crack down on hateful stuff when he is the King of hatefull stuff.

342 Irish Rose  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:47:26pm

re: #339 Lizard by the Bay

There is hypocrisy in Kos's attempts to "clean" his site.

Hypocrisy yes, and its' a futile attempt anyway. The haters are not going to go away.

The place is so infested with lunatics - and so full of hatred and venom - that its' really beyond cleaning, I think.

Just my personal opinion.

343 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:47:39pm

re: #344 slartybartfast

Further--and please correct me if I'm wrong--Kos has a real problem with the published diaries. Charles only has to worry about our comments. Huge, huge difference.

Absolutely correct. Comments are one thing. A Kos Diary posting is like the postings Charles makes on the front page. Kos has let a lot of loonies become certified "voices of Kos". It's the dumbass' own fault.

344 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:48:00pm

Plus Chen,
Charles is not paid by Republican pols to push them as candidates.
Charles does not then lie about it.
Charles does not pretend to be all about the little guy and against greedy capitalists while taking money like a greedy little capitalist and then lie about it.

........other than that, and a few hundred other things, they are exactly the same.

345 ChenZhen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:48:20pm

re: #341 DesertSage

re: #331 ChenZhen


But Mitchell says he then pulled the posting from both blogs after readers, liberals and conservatives alike, “ripped it to shreds.” He says no one from Daily Kos asked him to remove the posting.

-Corey Mitchell 7/23/07


Kos talks the talk.
Charles walks the walk!

Huh? Charles made an accusation, and I quote, "The leftist blogosphere went out of their way to cover this one up as quickly as possible"

...when in reality he simply got hammered in the comments so hard that he took his post and ran.

346 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:49:54pm

I am also sure that Kos was involved in that dog fighting/gambling ring of Vick's.

I heard it from a guy who heard it from a friend, who's girlfriend read it on the internets.

347 off with my head  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:52:34pm
I’ll try to be an optimist

Not such thing as a leftist optimist. They're always ticked at something they didn't get handed to them.

348 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:52:51pm

re: #349 ChenZhen

Huh? Charles made an accusation, and I quote, "The leftist blogosphere went out of their way to cover this one up as quickly as possible"

...when in reality he simply got hammered in the comments so hard that he took his post and ran.

You're on the wrong thread, ChenZhen. We are talking about Kos's silly attempts to suddenly appear rational after years of unending ugliness towards our troop and our nation. We're way past one deleted (or self-deleted) post, which was just one example of hundreds anyway.

349 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 2:58:56pm

re: #331 ChenZhen

Markos also has that problem with people always posting "First!". I mean, it's pretty much a mirror site.
/

350 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:00:42pm

re: #333 Killian Bundy


oh! thank you. How clever...

351 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:04:11pm

re: #343 MandyManners

re: #336 Lucius Septimius

re: #336 Lucius Septimius

Paging Dr. Freud!

Oh, is my slip showing?

Oh, is my slip showing?

But I only wear it around the house ...

352 ChenZhen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:05:34pm

re: #348 hous bin pharteen

Plus Chen,
Charles is not paid by Republican pols to push them as candidates.
Charles does not then lie about it.
Charles does not pretend to be all about the little guy and against greedy capitalists while taking money like a greedy little capitalist and then lie about it.

........other than that, and a few hundred other things, they are exactly the same.

Are you talking about ad space? You know, ad revenue or sponsorships that one might stand to lose if one is perceived to be running a hate site?

353 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:09:50pm

re: #93 Aylios

"My patience is wearing thin."

I guess Trotsky and Stalin felt like that sometime early in their careers too.

ROFL!

354 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:11:52pm

that's right-- doesn't KOS get paid directly from certain Democrats and Democrat operatives?


re: #352 Lizard by the Bay

re: #349 ChenZhen

Huh? Charles made an accusation, and I quote, "The
leftist blogosphere went out of their way to cover this one up as
quickly as possible"

...when in reality he simply got hammered in the comments so hard that he took his post and ran.

You're
on the wrong thread, ChenZhen. We are talking about Kos's silly
attempts to suddenly appear rational after years of unending ugliness
towards our troop and our nation. We're way past one deleted (or
self-deleted) post, which was just one example of hundreds anyway.


Thank you.

355 Charles  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:12:53pm

re: #356 ChenZhen

Are you talking about ad space? You know, ad revenue or sponsorships that one might stand to lose if one is perceived to be running a hate site?

OK, with that stupid comment you got my attention. The simple fact is that I have never done anything at this site that was intended to pander to advertisers.

And not one of our advertisers has ever said a single word about LGF being a "hate site." On the contrary--advertisers contact me almost daily wanting to place ads here.

So you can take your smarmy "hate site" accusation and cram it.

356 wanumba  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:16:50pm

What do the PC Multiculties do when Black African Sierra Leoneans beg for help from the UN to fight against rebels tearing their country apart, and finally turn to South African Mercenaries, sign a simple contract, "for this much money a day, we agree to protect your butts."
100 highly professional South American mercenaries held back thousands of rebels. When the UN forced Sierra Leone to terminate the contract, and sent the South Africans away, rebels poured into Freetown, looted, chopped people's hands and arms off - infants, toddlers, mothers, men and women. Took 600 Brits later to finally stop the chaos.
100 mercenaries against thousands - 600 trained soldiers to credibly replace them.
The South Africans, with all the history of arpartheid baggage and scorn of the world, did right by the Sierra Leoneans. It was PC idiocy that turned them out, and allowed the barbarians to ransack, rape and ruin the capital. There are some times when a mercenary is exactly what you need, especially to protect the innocent and weak.

357 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:17:45pm

re: #359 Charles

Ads show up from time to time that are so far from what would appeal to the average poster that I am certain there is no agenda.

I believe you had google ads for a bit, and on some thread about the treasonist actions of the NYT, the google ad popped up for a NYT subscription. Splendid!

358 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:19:41pm

re: #331 ChenZhen

Again:

Diarist (KOS

vs.

comments (LGF)


on balance KOS diarists and comments are much more hate-filled than LGF.

359 jackfetch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:21:41pm

re: #160 ted

Who are these people whose stand on the war keeps changing? Everyone I know was either for it from the start, or against it from the start (although a very few of those hedged their outright hostility towards it for the first few weeks or so). So who, exactly, is changing? I've also noticed that a lot of people who never changed their position, political affiliation, or anything else about their opinions, like to pretend that they once were on the other side and converted. They think it lends them more credence.

360 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:23:26pm

re: #230 Catttt

"My patience is wearing thin" reminds me of the old Groucho Marx bit from Horsefeathers:


Wagstaff's Receptionist: Oh, Professor, the Dean of Science wants to know how soon you can see him. He says he's tired of cooling his heels out here.
Professor Wagstaff: Tell him I'm cooling a couple of heels in here.
[receptionist leaves and re-enters fifteen seconds later]
Wagstaff's Receptionist: The Dean is furious! He's waxing wroth!
Professor Wagstaff: Is Roth out there, too? Tell Roth to wax the Dean for awhile.

In my days, the college widow stood for something, in fact, she stood for plenty!

Gawd, great thread (and excursions into ancient movies 101), watching Kos grinding his own nutz, but it's a weekday and I can't stay here forever, achhh!

361 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:29:02pm

General Chen,

If Charles used the same discretion that your buddy KKkos uses about freedom of opinion, your fence straddling, puny ass would have been kicked out of LGF long ago.

I have much greater admiration for people who stick to a opinion, no matter how wrong, that I do some meddling coward who plays nice in this room phonying his way into making "friendships" that he can use as ammunition back on his personal blog.

In my book, that puts you in the category directly beneath the Troofers.

362 Sgt.Slappy  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:29:10pm

Is it just me, or did anyone else read "My patience is wearing thin" as "My panties are wearing thin"...

...I guess it's just me.

363 wanumba  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:31:32pm
#362 frogmarch
on balance KOS diarists and comments are much more hate-filled than LGF.


I know you meant well, but the phrasing I categorically do not agree with.
Let's clarify?
LGF as a site and by postings do not show any patterns of "hate-filled." Frustration, sarc, yes, often, but free and open debate demands that "hate" stay out of it and stick to the subject at hand. Just cause one doesn't agree doesn't mean "hate" can be thrown about as the excuse.
ChenZen is displaying a plain level of "hate" by purposeful insinuation - disrespecting Charles' site, his basic fairness, his patience and his professional standards.

364 Odinist  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:33:00pm

re: #363 jackfetch

re: #160 ted

Who are these people whose stand on the war keeps changing? Everyone I know was either for it from the start, or against it from the start (although a very few of those hedged their outright hostility towards it for the first few weeks or so). So who, exactly, is changing? I've also noticed that a lot of people who never changed their position, political affiliation, or anything else about their opinions, like to pretend that they once were on the other side and converted. They think it lends them more credence.

I was one of those against this war before it began, but now say we cannot leave without a victory...

But, fighting a war under the 'political rules of engagement' hasn't seemed to work out so well in the past, has it? Only the positive news from Iraq (via: Yon, LGF, etc), and the negative, defeatist BS coming from the Democrats, keeps me from thinking a pullout might not be a bad idea...

365 ChenZhen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:36:08pm

re: #359 Charles

re: #356 ChenZhen


Are you talking about ad space? You know, ad revenue or sponsorships that one might stand to lose if one is perceived to be running a hate site?

OK, with that stupid comment you got my attention. The simple fact is that I have never done anything at this site that was intended to pander to advertisers.

And not one of our advertisers has ever said a single word about LGF being a "hate site." On the contrary--advertisers contact me almost daily wanting to place ads here.

So you can take your smarmy "hate site" accusation and cram it.

I was responding to hous' comment, because I didn't know that Kos received revenue from anything other than his ads and merchandise (OK, his book too). I didn't know that he was paid by pols to push certain candidates. Is that true?

In fact, Kos did get ads pulled after the infamous "Screw them" comment, and more recently they lost the JetBlue sponsorship.

Please forgive my ignorance, but when you referred to "taking heat" in that post from a month ago, I assumed that was where the "heat" was coming from.

366 Roger  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:46:13pm

#369 ChenZhen

Please forgive my ignorance...


Sorry, I'm not in the forgiving-of-ignorance business.

367 stuck-in-ca  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:50:10pm

Perhaps Kos has changed his "tune" in reaction to JetBlue succumbing to public pressure to pull his support of Yearly Kos. anti-capitalist Lefties always sit up and take notice when they face losing money.

368 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:53:01pm

As I wrote yesterday, “Just doesn’t look right to be dissing the military when Kos is trying so hard to be the voice of the Democratic Party.”

Bill Kristol pointed out yesterday on FNS that KOS IS leading the Democrats.

369 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 3:56:45pm

Smackdown on General Chen! Send him to his lover KKKos.

370 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:12:18pm

re: #371 stuck-in-ca

Perhaps Kos has changed his "tune" in reaction to JetBlue succumbing
to public pressure to pull his support of Yearly Kos. anti-capitalist
Lefties always sit up and take notice when they face losing money capital.

there. fixed it for ya. ;)

371 Carolina Girl  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:16:25pm

re: #127 coz

For sure on that - he overplayed his hand a little too early. Now it's time to just give him the GAZE, as we say. You just KNOW someone like him is cutting and pasting the comments, running back to KKKOS like a junior high geek and saying "Lookee Lookee what I got from LGF! NOW can I sit at the cook table?"

372 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:17:57pm

re: #367 wanumba

#362 frogmarch
on balance KOS diarists and comments are much more hate-filled than LGF.


I know you meant well, but the phrasing I categorically do not agree with.
Let's clarify?
LGF as a site and by postings do not show any patterns of
"hate-filled." Frustration, sarc, yes, often, but free and open debate
demands that "hate" stay out of it and stick to the subject at hand.
Just cause one doesn't agree doesn't mean "hate" can be thrown about as
the excuse.
ChenZen is displaying a plain level of "hate" by purposeful
insinuation - disrespecting Charles' site, his basic fairness, his
patience and his professional standards.


I agree. Charles' posts are never hate-filled. But sometimes "hate" can be found in the comments section. That is all I was talking about. & on balance, there is waaaaaay more hate in the comments section at KOS.
(and we all know he has issues with Diarists)

That's what the first part of my post referred to:
KOS has a diarist/hate problem. LGF does not.

373 Carolina Girl  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:22:23pm

re: #375 Carolina Girl

Sorry - that should have been "cool table."
I need new bifocals. Really, really, bad.

374 Harry Bergeron  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:22:57pm

He's swift ! He's merciless!
Is he writing a personal, or what ?

375 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:25:36pm

re: #367 wanumba

Also, thank you for your clarification. After I re-read my post I understand I wasn't clear. So let me clarify once more;

LGF is not a hate-site and anyone who says so is clueless and/or a knee-jerk leftist who cannot handle differing opinions.

(even though we commenter's are not perfect) Charles Johnson is an amazing wealth of information on the topics he cares most about. That topic makes Left-wingers and some lefty Dems uncomfortable so they lash out and call it "hate".

376 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:35:17pm

re: #377 Carolina Girl

I was thinking the cook table was when one got to go in the kitchen and eat at all those fancy restaurants.

377 Colt  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:45:20pm

This may have been said - I haven't read all ~400 comments - but Kos doesn't actually say he disagree's with the anti-military sentiment. His only problem is that it compromises 'the effectiveness of this site'.

378 cosmo  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:51:35pm

re: #139 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

If that works, let me know. I'd love to return sensibility to HuffPoo in the same fashion, for alas, I was convicted of the same crimes of expressing salient points on a liberal blog and therefore banished to my own intellectual Patmos.

379 HDrepub  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:53:51pm

re: #381 Colt

You read it like I do. Kos is mostly saying, I know how you feel but cool it awhile, you're making me look bad.

380 Carolina Girl  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 4:56:32pm

re: #380 Silhouette

I read it back to myself and decided I needed to law off watching Bobby Flay's Throwdown on the Food Network.

That and Iron Chef America.

381 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 5:52:18pm

"And no, Bush won't cancel the next round of elections to remain in power. That's about the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I've seen in a long time. Some people on our side can be just as "out there" as the "black helicopter" crowd."

Hey Darth Clueless, you are part of the black helicopter crowd!

382 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 6:37:42pm

re: #381 Colt

This may have been said - I haven't read all ~400 comments - but Kos doesn't actually say he disagree's with the anti-military sentiment. His only problem is that it compromises 'the effectiveness of this site'.

Yep. It's just a CYA post.

383 Whammo  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 6:42:19pm

re: #282 karmic_inquisitor

re: #276 vxbush

For anyone who doesn't want to go to tinyurl first, here is the swf they now get redirected to - [Link: members.shaw.ca...]

Like I said - an piece of artwork.

I like this one better:

[Link: ohnoits.ytmnd.com...]

384 wanumba  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 6:54:40pm

re: #379 FrogMarch
Yes, I'm very comfortable with this:

Charles Johnson is an amazing wealth of information on the topics he cares most about. That topic makes Left-wingers and some lefty Dems uncomfortable so they lash out and call it "hate".


The bottom line on comments, LGF is one of the most restrained and best cleaned of all the blogs. As General Patton knew, profanity, if used right can be appropriate, but always to emphasis a debating point, not to directly attack an individual. In contrast, the Left revels in profanity as a badge of rebellion against self-control and to denigrate the dignity of opposing debaters. The difference between the two usages is plain.
Trolls come in and dump turds in order to be able to point fingers at LGF - a rotten tactic of this information war - but sensible people see through the fraud.
What's amazing to watch with Blog comments is the equivalent of a man knocking on the door of a house, and when the host opens the door, flatters him and asks if he may enter and join the club of people inside for he's interested in their common hobby. But once inside, he sits down, introduces himself, makes a few pertinent comments to the subject, banters a bit with a couple of the other guests, then begins to notice that the couch on which he sits is an older style, the material is a bit worn, and the cushions are bothering his hips. Then he points out that the pictures on the walls are not as high a quality as his own, and can't understand why the owner would have chosen those over some other that he recommends. The other guests turn to consider him with a bit of polite confusion, for he seemed pleasant enough when he entered, but when someone rises to make a friendly comment to assure the host that his choice of decorations was pleasing to others, the newcomer turns on him and comments that his belly if too flabby, his accent sounds stupid and that he had nothing worthwhile to add to the subject. When the startled guests then rally to support the regular over the newcomer, the man finds need to say the coffee is too weak, the tea too cold, the cookies are stale and that no one there knows ANYTHING about their hobby. When the man is asked to leave, he insults them all, profanes their host and stomps away, loudly swearing at them.
Taking advantage of social norms, just to trash them. Anarchists.

385 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 6:55:46pm

#369 chen
Sorry I wasn't here and Charles had to wise you up
I was in the shop painting fenders for the race car. Some things are more important than LGF.
(uh oh. Did I blaspheme?)

No Chen.
I am talking (and I made this pretty clear in my post) that Zuniga (KOS) was taking money from Howard Dean to pump him up and talk good about him on his Daily Kos. He was whoring for cash. He did not tell his readers that he was doing this. He felt they had no need to know.
To me this one episode shows what a sham he is. How can you now believe anything on his website knowing that the man was PAID to SHILL for one democratic politician over the others.

If Rudy gives him a big bag of cash, is he going to become a republican?

For someone who plays both sides of the street I am very surprised you did not know this. It was a big stink. Or are you just pretending?

Teachout named two prominent bloggers in particular: Jerome Armstrong of myDD.com and Markos Moulitsas Zuniga of Daily Kos. "On Dean's campaign, we paid Markos and Jerome Armstrong as consultants, largely in order to ensure that they said positive things about Dean. We paid them over twice as much as we paid two staffers of similar backgrounds, and they had several other clients," Teachout wrote. "While they ended up also providing useful advice, the initial reason for our outreach was explicitly to buy their airtime. To be very clear, they never committed to supporting Dean for the payment—but it was very clearly, internally, our goal."

[Link: slate.com...]
This is from SLATE. Not Fox News.
Add revenue is one thing. Charles, Kos, hell, anyone running a website I have no problem making money off it. Time, NYTimes, NBC news all do this. But to take secret cash from a pol and then play like you really like the guy?

The flip side? Howard Deans campaign admits they were paid staffers.
So they used a "hate site" with very anti-semitic views to push their guy for president. Nice.
The kicker is all those dumb lemmings over on Kos still follow that fool.
TRUTH to the highest bidder.
..........and people wonder why I keep calling them Stalinsts.

386 Whammo  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 6:56:33pm

re: #348 hous bin pharteen

Plus Chen,
Charles is not paid by Republican pols to push them as candidates.
Charles does not then lie about it.
Charles does not pretend to be all about the little guy and against greedy capitalists while taking money like a greedy little capitalist and then lie about it.

........other than that, and a few hundred other things, they are exactly the same.

It's all about the little guy around here :D

387 irish rose  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 6:59:33pm

Wow, I just finished reading through the entire thread over at Kos.

My gawd... talk about rampant mental illness. These people are really, truly convinced that they are the "voice of the American public" and the saviors of all mankind... talk about delusional.

388 nihilist  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 7:10:19pm
389 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 7:48:35pm

This whole "wearing the pants around here" and "being open" doesn't wear thin with Markos because it was never there to begin with. The Daily Kos is so obviously biased, leftist and obnoxious that when anyone claims to want open dialogue or deny the rampant bigotry therein it becomes laughable.

390 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 8:03:47pm

#390 whammo


Great. Midget tossing.
No we are really going to get called a hate site.

391 Whammo  Mon, Jul 23, 2007 9:40:10pm

re: #394 hous bin pharteen

#390 whammo


Great. Midget tossing.
No we are really going to get called a hate site.

I was merely celebrating our diverse culture! ;)

392 Totally Berserk  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:47:49am

re: #259 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Very interesting. The scary thing is I understood most of it...

Thanks so much!


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