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-RetweetUN Mideast Envoy Shills for Hamas

Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 10:12:28 pm PDT

The United Nations’ Middle East envoy says Israel needs to open their borders with the Hamas terror state, and blames Israel for the nightmarish state of Gaza: UN Mideast envoy warns of Gaza collapse.

UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. Mideast envoy warned Wednesday of impending economic collapse in the Gaza Strip unless Israel reopens the Hamas-led territory’s main commercial crossing to the outside world to ease international isolation.

Michael Williams said the closure of the Karni crossing in early June has prevented the export of agricultural and industrial goods to Israel, the West Bank and elsewhere, as well as the import of materials needed for manufacturing and construction. The restriction has brought the Gaza economy to a standstill.

The World Bank estimates that 75 percent of Gaza’s factories have closed and more than 68,000 Palestinian workers have been laid off as a result, he said.

“Unless the crossings are open for imports and exports, the downward economic spiral will lead to extensive hardship for an already impoverished Gaza Strip,” Williams told the U.N. Security Council in his regular monthly briefing on the Middle East.

The Palestinians in Gaza voted overwhelmingly for Hamas, and got exactly what they wanted—a radical Islamic government that could not care less about their welfare.

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1 DesertSage  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:13:27pm

This doesn't surprise me at all...

2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:13:36pm
3 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:14:27pm
The Palestinians in Gaza voted overwhelmingly for Hamas, and got what they wanted—a radical Islamic government that could not care less about their welfare.

And Israel takes the blame no matter what.

4 Racer X  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:17:46pm

I'm sorry - but doesn't Egypt also border Gaza? Is there no commerce in that direction?

5 hiker  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:17:55pm

No surprise, this.

6 TripleNeck  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:18:17pm

And why can't they trade through Egypt?

Oh, that's right- Egypt is also willing to fight down to the last Palestinian.

7 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:18:27pm
8 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:19:00pm

Th

e Palestinians in Gaza voted overwhelmingly for Hamas, and got what they wanted—a radical Islamic government that could not care less about their welfare.

I'd like to add that of course they don't care about the individual Palestinians' needs. It's all about the ummah, and what's best for the ummah is dawah, insh'allah.

9 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:19:49pm

My apologies to my friend Preview, whom I should be visiting with more often.

10 Venezuela lover  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:21:09pm

The UN position is that it is against international law for Israel to protect itself. The UN couldn't care less about the people in Gaza. The UN wants HAMAS to do its dirty work.

11 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:22:39pm

Yeah right. And vice versa too, OK?

12 insanity police  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:22:52pm

Israel should stop giving power and water to Hamastan. Honestly, you can only be so nice to people who want to kill you.

Night time reading:
Anti-Israel activists in America call for Israel's destruction.

13 spikester  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:22:54pm

Like we should open our borders to whom ever and let peace
flow like a mountain stream and let our love grow like the smallest
of dreams, let your love grow you cans see what I means it's the
season. yadayadayada

14 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:27:00pm

Islam is a one way trip to hell. Creeps. All of them. Creepy, dirty, a bit weird. Demented?

15 ChenZhen  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:28:04pm

re: #9 Sharmuta

My apologies to my friend Preview, whom I should be visiting with more often.

Careful, or you might wind up as more than just friends.

16 nature boy  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:29:20pm

re: #4 Racer X

There is trade through Egypt - explosives are imported continuously.

17 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:31:40pm

Special Giuliani/CAIR/Kos twofer Haiku -

Forge a new will.
Undermine the jihad.
CAIR will wither.

Koslings watch now.
Eager to cry out "bigot!"
Make them CAIR-less.

18 SpartanWoman  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:32:49pm

This is where the "you made your bed, now lie in it" cliche kicks in...they wanted to be ruled by terrorists and now they have to live with it. The only thing they want to export through Israel is death and destruction.

Let them keep that commodity to themselves.

19 ReverseTaqiyya  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:34:53pm

#16 nature boy

...don't forget suitcases of money that came through Egypt earlier too.

20 Render  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:36:09pm

Ever so slightly OT:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Is it just me or does the DEA have way too much free time on its hands these days?

Tons of cocaine, thousands of illegal aliens, and who knows how many terrorists, pouring across the border every day. The Army fighting for control of Helmand Province, where the majority of the worlds heroin comes from. Pack and gangs of meth, crack, and PCP junkies roaming the streets of every major city in the nation.

And this is the best possible use of the DEA, it's agents, and resources? Our tax dollars at work to hunt down the sick and elderly, in a state that has already made it clear that it does not want to abide by that particular law?

===

If I was in charge around here...

I'd send the entire DEA over to Afghanistan, for the duration.

DE-RANT,
R

21 NhaTrang72  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:37:11pm

"When bad things happen to bad people'?

I know that in any population there are innocent women and children, etc, but this society seems so infested with enablers as well as Willing Participants that the "Palestinians" mostly deserve what they are mostly getting

If they want a Better Life, they should work towards living under Israeli rule: Arabs in Israel have a better life than Arabs anywhere outside the 'oil kingdoms'

22 hazzyday  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:40:23pm

With all the money the world gives the Palestinians, you would think that every Hamas member would have their own private jet by now. And a few pass to a nice bombed out atol somewhere to make them feel at home.

23 nature boy  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:42:23pm

Who says business isn't booming in Gaza? Construction workers are busy digging tunnels... teachers are busy teaching children hate... television is programming murderous bumblebees...

24 kreigwagon  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:42:55pm

The United Nations’ Middle East envoy says Israel needs to open their borders with the Hamas


Last time I checked, Israel was a sovereign nation.

Israelis, tell Hamas and the U.N. to go F themselves.

25 hazzyday  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:43:05pm

Or just have Paul Allen fly in there and give every Palestinian he can find a $10,000 bag of cash. The velocity of money in Palestine is truncated by corruption. Direct cash infusions, better yet just dropped from planes will eventually wear them out.

26 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:43:13pm

Charles final paragraph really says it all. You voted for this. Learn to love it. You too can live like Afghanis.

27 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:43:35pm

Haneef investigator 'drops dead'

An investigator into the case of Gold Coast doctor Mohamed Haneef "dropped dead" last week amid enormous pressure, Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty has revealed.

Mr Keelty told reporters in Perth today the man died of natural causes last week amid intense pressure on the AFP.

"There are enormous pressures here," Mr Keelty told reporters in Perth today.

"One of the pressures that I haven't spoken about publicly is that one of the investigators dropped dead in the investigation room Monday last week, so the investigation team has been through a very emotional and stressful time," he said.

Terrorism kills.

28 carridine  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:46:38pm

I note that the Baha'i International Community is NOT asking to reopen Israel's borders to the poisonous vermin now infesting Gaza.

29 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:48:01pm

Coulter's latest. Obama caught in another Hilliarism. What a little oissant this prevaricator is proving to be. How he got his academic credentials is becoming an issue. he is really a bit of a bumbler.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

30 not a yank  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:50:00pm

And I am supposed to care?

31 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:52:12pm

Things are looking up!

2,000 Terrorists in UK, up from 1,600 last year

And they let in another one every five minutes.

32 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:57:40pm

re: #15 ChenZhen

You're right, Chen. I don't want to get all co-dependent on Preview.

33 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:57:40pm

re: #29 pat

Coulter's latest. Obama caught in another Hilliarism. What a little oissant this prevaricator is proving to be. How he got his academic credentials is becoming an issue. he is really a bit of a bumbler.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]


Thanks to Rudy Giuliani, cab drivers in New York no longer have to make that choice. Under his mayoralty, New York City became a lot safer for cab drivers — and everyone else. The murder rate went from about 2,000 murders a year under Mayor David Dinkins to about 700 by the end of Giuliani's term. The last time a cab driver was killed in New York was in 1997.
34 DesertSage  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 10:58:11pm

Sharmuta...you are the bomb!

35 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:00:05pm

new york times - check.
la times - check.
u.n. - check...

I think it might be easier to keep a list of who's not shillling for hamas.

36 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:00:38pm

No, DesertSage- you are the bomb.

37 DesertSage  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:02:08pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

I want to know how you achieved over 5,500 comments just since February?

I mean, that's determination!

38 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:04:39pm

re: #20 Render

Duude..!

39 Render  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:05:57pm

re: #38 cbinflux

Dude.

R

40 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:09:08pm

Sage- what can I say? I guess I'm determined.

41 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:09:32pm

Everything these people touch turns to shit. Maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't have trashed the green houses, or sent sucide bombers to Israel's hospitals. They think the West and Israel are their worst enemies, but in fact, they are (their own worst enemy).

j

42 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:11:32pm

What I won't say is that the present Government of Israel should go have dinner with Rabin.

What I will say is:

...for an already impoverished Gaza Strip,...

Its sickens me that the UN considers Gaza "impoverised" and then feels that they need special attention and funds when real countries are suffering and others around the UN jurisdiction are starving to death!

Here are some pics of "impoverished" Gaza.
Exhibit A (city) B (city) C (cars & working taxi service) D (Embroidery Shops) E (sea side shopping carts full of swim toys, etc.) F (Gaza Powerplant) G (Gaza market full of food) H (fully fed and nourished Gazans) and lastly I (time to learn and play music, and also wearing full clothing.)

Here are some actual impoverished non-Terrorist supporters which the UN doesn't give a shit about!

Darfur 1, 2 3, (Darfur Lots of Photos)

South Africa (These people would beg for Gazan homes with running water, air conditioners, cars, food, medicine, guns, etc.) 2, Video of Shanty Town

Kenya...now there is impoverised. They would love markets full of food & taxi service.)

43 Render  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:13:01pm

re: #42 WrathofG-d

Great post Wrath.

NODS,
R

44 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:15:59pm

Thank God Sharmuta found us. We may have had to recruit her, otherwise.

45 DesertSage  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:16:25pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

Dudette...!

46 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:18:31pm

Render
Wrath

They seem, well...fat.
As opposed to Christian Sudanese or Ethiopians. Hmmm

47 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:18:59pm

re: #43 Render


Thanks.

Those poor "impoverished" Gazans, with their impoverished high rises, impoverished running water, impoverished electricity, impoverished televisions, impoverished restaurants, impoverished refrigerators, impoverished beach towns, impoverished full stomachs, impoverished embroidery shops, impoverished fully structured homes with roofs, walls, insulation, gutters, doors, windows...

48 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:19:22pm

Thanks pat & Sage. One of you guys is sweet, the other is the bomb.

49 carridine  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:20:27pm

re: #31 cbinflux

Things are looking up!
2,000 Terrorists in UK, up from 1,600 last year
And they let in another one every five minutes.

Y'know, CB, I'd HATE to be one of the 'Mujaheddin' when the ship hits the sand... trapped in England, at the time that the English find their spines, their roots and their love of homeland!

Hunted down and shot, if they don't surrender...

50 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:21:49pm

Well, I shall surely settle for sweet. Only my dog agrees. LOL

51 carridine  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:22:08pm

re: #47 WrathofG-d

re: #43 Render
Thanks.
Those poor "impoverished" Gazans, with their impoverished high rises, impoverished running water, impoverished electricity, impoverished televisions, impoverished restaurants, impoverished refrigerators, impoverished beach towns, impoverished full stomachs, impoverished embroidery shops, impoverished fully structured homes with roofs, walls, insulation, gutters, doors, windows...

Hokey smokes! How 'impoverished' do you have to be to be as rich as the Gazans? Cry me a river!

52 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:22:22pm

re: #49 carridine

You're an optimist

53 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:23:37pm

BTW, isn't Lebanon killing more Palis that Israel these days?

54 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:25:59pm

re: #51 carridine

Cry me a river indeed!

But it is worse than that. While the UN worries about the so-called impoverished Gazans (& other Phakestinians) (they have a specific UN body to fund the Phakestinians), and sends millions if not billions of dollars on the fantastically "impoverished" Gazans, people in South Africa, Kenya, Ethiopia, Sudan, South America, etc., are starving and DYING!

When the UN cries about the destruction of a terrorists home, they manage to completely ignore the thousands of people in other parts of the world that HAVE NO HOMES!

I wish it were only support for the Phakestinians...its worse...its ignoring those that really need the help & are DYING!

55 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:28:24pm

I scare everyone off with my reality?

56 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:28:43pm

Cops: No plan to reinstate ex-officer

NEW ORLEANS - The city's police superintendent has no plans to overturn the firing of a former officer cleared this week in the videotaped beating a retired school teacher after Hurricane Katrina, a department spokesman said Wednesday.

A state judge on Tuesday acquitted Robert Evangelist, 37, of second-degree battery and false imprisonment of Robert Davis, 66, during an arrest videotaped by an Associated Press Television News crew on the night of Oct. 8, 2005. [Saying that it was an easy call; the perp just had to stop resisting]

Sue the reverse-racist city.

57 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:28:51pm

re: #55 WrathofG-d

No.

58 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:29:08pm

Way OT- hat tip to the Jawa Report...

Death Of An American Hero


NEW YORK - A black Labrador who became a national canine hero after burrowing through white-hot, smoking debris in search of survivors at the World Trade Center site died Wednesday after a battle with cancer.

I can say from experience, I've had two in my life, never a more loyal, faithful, intelligent, dependable friend can be found, then in a black lab.

Rest in piece, Jake.

59 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:35:41pm

Rest in piece peace, Jake.

~slaps forehead~

60 kreigwagon  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:35:42pm

OT...ROPMA

South Korean hostage killed by Taliban

KABUL, Afghanistan - Afghan police discovered the bullet-riddled body of a male hostage on Wednesday, one of 23 South Koreans kidnapped by the Taliban last week.



Because of a recent spike in kidnappings — including an attempt against a Danish citizen Wednesday — police barred foreigners from leaving the Afghan capital without their permission.

South Korea reacted early Thursday by saying it would not tolerate the killing of an innocent civilian and vowed the kidnappers would be held accountable. It demanded the immediate release of the remaining hostages.

"The killing of an innocent civilian cannot be justified under any circumstance or for any reason," Baek Jong-chun, chief presidential secretary for security affairs, said in a statement. The kidnappers "will be held accountable for taking the life of a Korean citizen."

The South Korean victim was found with 10 bullet holes in his head, chest and stomach in the Mushaki area of Qarabagh district in Ghazni province, the region where the group was seized July 19 while riding a bus, said Abdul Rahman, a police officer.

A police official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the situation, said militants told him the hostage was sick and couldn't walk and was therefore shot.

61 uptight  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:43:26pm

That's fair comment. And by the same token, I think Michael Williams should live next to a bunch of crack-crazed gang-bangers and remove his front door so that they have access to his family and belongings. It is cruel of him not to.

62 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:45:23pm

#58 Yankee
I still have 2, (White Labs). Never, ever been hit. Seem to understand English. One is always by my side. 120lbs of gentleness.

63 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:46:29pm

pat
They speak Hawaiian! ;)

64 Digger Dan  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:48:41pm

Now back to the issue of opening the border between Israel and Gaza . . . isn't Gaza's OTHER border shared with Egypt? Are the Egyptians reluctant to open their border with Gaza? They could open it easily if they wanted to. So, what's the hangup?

65 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:49:57pm

re: #62 pat

#58 Yankee
I still have 2, (White Labs). Never, ever been hit. Seem to understand English. One is always by my side. 120lbs of gentleness.

pat
They speak Hawaiian! ;)

Almost spooky, isn't it? BTW Mine's snoozing at my feet as I type..

66 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:50:19pm

Dan
The Egytians made a "wall" between Gaza and Misrachi.
They are allowed, as they are muslim.

67 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:50:44pm

Mizraim?
God I'm confused now.

68 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:51:44pm

re: #64 Digger Dan

You are exactly right & if I were PM of Israel, that is the question I'd be asking the MSM/World everytime they give Israel crap...

Also for the security fense Israel is building. (Egypt has one too)

69 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:52:11pm

Hey Miguel. And Dan, yes , the guys know more than a few Hawaiian words.

70 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:53:07pm

pat
I don't doubt it. Dogs are very intelligent in general.
I love dogs lol ;)

71 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:54:00pm

re: #70 MigueldowninMexico

pat
I don't doubt it. Dogs are very intelligent in general.
I love dogs lol ;)


Well you know what they say: If you can't be with the one you love...love the one you are with.

;)

72 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:56:24pm

Weath
Hahahahahahahaha.
That's my case right now hahahahaha. ;)

73 pat  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:56:27pm

Miguel, I once shouted at one, and he fell to the ground like he was shot. I walked over to him and asked "What in the hell are you doing?" And then I noticed his upper eye open up. Then , pop. Up and around like nothing happened. But he never did that again. LOL

74 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:57:26pm

Sorry Wrath :)
Playing the Stills mp3 right now ;)

75 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jul 25, 2007 11:58:34pm

pat
Hahahahahahaha. They are great LOL

76 pat  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:00:31am

Off to bed. Night all. Miguel, aloha. Or buenas nochas.

77 nature boy  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:03:18am

WrathofG-d

Your posts are great - keep up the good work!

78 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:04:38am

re: #77 nature boy

WrathofG-d

Your posts are great - keep up the good work!

Why thank you! Its easy because its true.

79 Sprite  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:04:46am

Miggo...you're up!

And I'm up and running. Pleased to see you and All the Lizards.

80 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:05:17am

Ah the After hours crowd. When is Lindsay Lohan going to show up with the blow?

81 pat  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:05:59am

Hi Sprite, Good to see you. Nite.

82 Sprite  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:06:48am

'Night Pat. Sleep tight.

83 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:16:53am

ANyone still here?

84 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:21:33am

Ain't nobody here 'cept us chickens ...

85 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:22:09am

Funny cause it says 1, 000 people on line

86 the phantom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:22:22am

Sprite, O Sprite, a-burning bright,
In the comments of the night.
What immortal phantom cry
Could frame thy dreamy fantasy.

87 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:23:36am

And 98 logged in ...

88 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:24:44am

"Watch out for the quiet types!"

89 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:25:38am

Seriously where are old the old normals? Just us new kids

90 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:26:42am

re: #89 WrathofG-d

Define "normal" ...

91 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:29:07am

I meant usualy here. Ok then I guess it is do something else time.

92 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:30:43am

Pakistan tests Cruise Missile capable of nuking India.

93 Sprite  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:39:54am

#86 phantom

My dreams burn bright to light the night.

Thank you. You've framed them perfectly ;)

Sleep well, All.

94 POLAR WIND  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:47:23am

re: #12 insanity police

Israel should stop giving power and water to Hamastan. Honestly, you can only be so nice to people who want to kill you.

Night time reading:
Anti-Israel activists in America call for Israel's destruction.

That night time reading will give me nightmares. Some people are so stupid. Anyone who advocates for the dismantling of Israel is a racist, and is very dangerous. The guy is a moron as well.

95 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:51:05am

Just when you think it cannot get any worse:

U.S. wants a Israeli-Palestinian [sic] deal by within year.

OH G-d, its the end of the POTUS term sell out Israel to try to sure up your legacy reutine! If Olmert goes along with it (which he will/is) Israel is screwed.

/E.O.T.W. anyone?

96 POLAR WIND  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 1:05:45am

Ha! How can clueless Condi solve a problem that has no foreseeable solution? Good luck.

Bush and Condi should know better than to trust that Abbas can or will do anything to create peace. You can only make so many deals and concessions with "moderate" terrorists before they reveal their true colors, and diabolical plans.

There is no solution unless the Palis live in peace, and their brothers across the Middle East stop urging the Palis to fight Israel. The Palis should get nothing unless they change their behavior.

Condi has gone off the fuc*king deep end. She is worthless.

97 pegcity  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 1:38:18am

re: #92 karmic_inquisitor

Pakistan tests Cruise Missile capable of nuking India.

Im sure it was a gift for China

98 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:01:27am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

99 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:18:53am

Everybody okay out there?

/should I call the paramedics?

100 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:21:00am

huh?

101 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:23:56am

'Morning, storage! :-)

It's just the two of us today.

/and I'm in the DozeZone...

102 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:25:53am

re: #101 littleoldlady

'Morning, storage! :-)

It's just the two of us today.

/and I'm in the DozeZone...

Good morning...I think I remember sleep...but it's been so long ago.

103 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:26:04am

Condi now telling Israelis where they're permitted to live:

'Israel should focus on Negev, Galilee'

"I believe that Israel understands...that it has obligations that need to be met and need to be met now, because the future of Israel is not in the continued occupation of the West Bank," Rice said. "The future of Israel is in building a strong Israeli state in places like the Negev and Galilee."

104 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:29:01am

Five+ AM and I'm awake -- clearly, there is a ripple in the Force...

105 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:29:36am
Abbas to visit Russia next week


Published: 07.26.07, 11:42 / Israel News

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is scheduled to embark on a three-day visit to Russia next week.

Officials in his office said that Abbas is leaving for a "diplomatic mission" to Moscow and that he plans to meet with several top Russian officials

It's a good thing America and Irael gave him enough money...to visit the enemy! [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

106 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:30:07am
107 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:31:32am

re: #106 ploome hineni

re: #19 ReverseTaqiyya

and how come all these starving people are SO FAT?

They eat their children.

plooome! :-)

108 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:34:02am
Rice Sets New Standard
Pres. Bush also stopped short of saying Israel must withdraw from all of Judea and Samaria.

She has lost her mind. [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

109 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:39:09am

re: #108 storagemanager

Rice Sets New Standard
Pres. Bush also stopped short of saying Israel must withdraw from all of Judea and Samaria.

She has lost her mind. [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Well, at least she hasn't lost her Saudi pension.

/Baker's sharmuta
//[Sorry, Sharmuta!]

110 pegcity  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:40:19am

The UN's goal is no less than the genocide of the jewish people

111 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:42:10am
112 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:42:48am
113 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:43:10am

re: #111 ploome hineni

re: #107 littleoldlady

*smootchies*

wheresmyfruitcup..?

:)

#98. Fresh Jersey blueberries today! :-)

114 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:48:12am
As a conservative--but more important, as an American concerned about the future of this country in the face of a terrorist threat--Thompson's choice of Spencer Abraham was the final nail in the coffin for me in opposing Fred Thompson's quest for the White House.

I know Spencer Abraham. He wrote one of my recommendations for law school. And the Spencer Abraham that I and all of America have since experienced is bad news for everyone except CAIR, ADC, MPAC, ISNA, and all Islamists who want to endanger America.

In 2003, I wrote the definitive column on Spencer Abraham a/k/a Spence a/k/a Edward Spencer Abraham (which was quoted in The Washington Post), and I re-publish it below, with several additions I've made, updating it. At the time Spence was still Energy Secretary, but he left to become a lobbyist for Islamist countries.

As a Senator, he took marching orders from James Zogby of the pan-Islamist Arab American Institute, opposing profiling of Arabs, the use of secret evidence against Muslims (at the behest of Muslim groups), attempting to repeal the Clinton counterterrorism package, refusing to fund computer tracking of student and other foreign aliens, giving millions in our tax money right to Hezbollah, and putting CAIR on the map on Capitol Hill (taking the group's officials around to meet other Senators and Members of Congress). He took campaign contributions from the relatives of Hezbollah-backed top Lebanese officials after he got the group millions in our tax money.

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

115 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:48:16am
116 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:50:43am

re: #113 littleoldlady

#98. Fresh Jersey blueberries today! :-)


Throw the stale donuts away,

I love blueberries.

117 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:51:18am

Hello everyone!

I hope this works...HouseMoves to Free Border Patrol Agents

The House on Wednesday approved a move by conservative Republicans to try to set free two Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug dealer.

After a long, emotional debate, the House voted by voice to block the Bureau of Prisons from keeping former agents Ignacio Ramos and Alonso Compean in federal prison. Ramos and Compean are serving 11- and 12-year federal prison sentences, respectively, for the 2005 shooting of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila on the Texas border near El Paso.

The case has caused a furor among conservative lawmakers and on talk radio across the country.

118 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:52:53am

A little audio caffeine for this early in the morning... Camel Walk

119 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:53:43am

I bet the Jersey blues are just later in the season.

Blueberries are very good for you.

120 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:55:38am

Have some blueberries chris(t)heprofessor! :-)

121 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:56:03am

Damn, that beehive made me think of this...

/I'll apologize in advance...

122 stevedecatur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:57:47am
ONEONTA _ An Oneonta man who helped produce a 9/11 conspiracy documentary that became an Internet hit was arrested Monday for allegedly deserting the Army.

Korey Rowe, 24, a veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, was picked up by deputies at about 10:45 p.m. Monday, Otsego County Sheriff Richard Devlin Jr. said.


http://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2007/07/2 5/jprowearrest0722.html

123 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:57:56am

The blueberries are delish littleoldlady. Thanks.

We don't seem to get blueberries here in Tampa that often and that are very good. :(

/One of the few things I miss about Calif.

124 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:58:46am

Blueberry muffins with real butter.

and whole milk with creme.


ttftfmn.


ta ta for the fat man now.
125 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 2:59:37am

re: #120 littleoldlady

Heh. My favorite blues band name is the Bluesberries...

/I love blueberries -- the park next to my neighborhood has about an acre (best guess) of untended blueberries bushes... Free for the taking...

126 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:00:06am

re: #124 ibmkeyboard

Hey, Mon! What the hell are you doing up so early?

127 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:01:21am

re: #120 littleoldlady

Thank you kindly, I think I will!

128 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:02:43am
129 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:04:55am

re: #125 christheprofessor

re: #120 littleoldlady

Heh. My favorite blues band name is the Bluesberries...

/I love blueberries -- the park next to my neighborhood has about an acre (best guess) of untended blueberries bushes... Free for the taking...

Oh MAN, am I jealous! This has been a rough (expensive) year for blueberries - which I'm sure has more to do with gas prices than anything else. (Or did the "undocumented blueberry pickers" get a raise?) Even on sale they're $2/container. I could grow them here IF I was interested in feeding the neighborhood fauna.

130 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:07:00am

re: #128 Mike C.

I think the first commenter doesn't understand the concept of armor protection...

131 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:08:45am

Renewable energy could 'rape' nature

Al ain't gonna like this...

132 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:09:38am

re: #126 christheprofessor

re: #124 ibmkeyboard

Hey, Mon! What the hell are you doing up so early?

Had to comb my hair. heh

Morning Chris, See my daily reading of poetry below.

133 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:10:06am

If you see a faded sign by the side of the road that says
15 miles to the... Love Shack! Love Shack yeah yeah
I'm headin' down the Atlanta highway, lookin' for the love getaway
Heading for the love getaway, love getaway,
I got me a car, it's as big as a whale and we're headin' on down
To the Love Shack
I got me a Chrysler, it seats about 20
So hurry up and bring your jukebox money
The Love Shack is a little old place where we can get together
Love Shack baby, {a Love Shack bay-bee}.
Love shack, baby love shack, love shack, baby love shack, love shack. {love baby, that's where it's at) love shack {love baby, that's where it's at)

Sign says.. Woo... stay away fools, 'cause love rules at the Love Shack!
Well it's set way back in the middle of a field,
Just a funky old shack and I gotta get back

Glitter on the mattress
Glitter on the highway
Glitter on the front porch
Glitter on the highway

The Love Shack is a little old place where we can get together, love shack baby...
{Love Shack baby!} Love Shack, that's where it's at! Love Shack, that's where it's at!

Huggin' and a kissin', dancin' and a lovin', wearin' next to nothing
Cause it's hot as an oven
The whole shack shimmies
YEA! the whole shack shimmies!
The whole shack shimmies when everybody's
Movin' around and around and around!
Everybody's movin', everybody's groovin' baby!
Folks linin' up outside just to get down
Everybody's movin', everybody's groovin' baby!
Funky little shack! Funky little shack!

Hop in my Chrysler, it's as big as a whale and it's about to set sail!
I got me a car, it seats about 20
So come on and bring your jukebox money.

Oh the Love Shack is a little old place where we can get together
love shack, baby! {a love shack baby}
love shack! baby love shack
love shack! baby love shack
love shack! baby love shack {love baby that's where its at, yea, love baby that's where it's at}

Bang bang bang, on the door baby! {Knock a little louder, baby}
Bang bang bang,on the door baby! {I can't hear you}
Bang bang bang, on the door baby! {Knock a little louder sugar!}
Bang bang bang, on the door baby! {I can't hear you!}


Bang bang {on the door baby}
Bang bang {on the door}
Bang bang {on the door baby}
Bang bang
Your what?... Tin roof, rusted!

Love Shack, baby Love Shack!
Love Shack, baby Love Shack! love baby that's where its at, yea, love baby that's where it's at}
Love Shack, baby Love Shack!
Love baby, love shack
Huggin' and a kissin', dancin' and a lovin' at the love shack.

134 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:11:39am

re: #129 littleoldlady

Heh. I and anybody else who wants them competes with the fauna - small price to pay, I suppose...

My father (who was born in 1920) was telling me a few months back how he used to in the summers pick wild blueberries on Long Island and sell them for, as I recall, 15 cents/quart to a lady who would them make pies for her restaurant... He would use the money to order new clothes from the Sears Roebuck catalog for school. Said he couldn't wait for them to arrive...

My how times have changed...

135 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:13:24am

re: #132 ibmkeyboard

Had to comb my hair. heh

I've seen your head, so I know you're lyin'! ;)

137 FinallyHere  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:15:49am

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Secy. Rice: Israel Must End Occupation of 'West Bank'

by Hillel Fendel

(IsraelNN.com) Speaking with Arabic-language Radio Sawa, based in Washington and Dubai, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice went even further in her demands on Israel than President Bush did in his recent speech on Israel.

Rice, about to depart for the Middle East to prepare an upcoming international meeting of regional leaders, said that President Bush recently stated "very clearly that Israel's future will rest in Israel, in places like Galilee and in the Negev - and that the occupation of the West Bank will have to end and a Palestinian state will need to be established."

In fact, however, in his recent speech, President Bush did not phrase this as a demand upon Israel, but rather cited Prime Minister Olmert as having "made clear that Israel's future lies in developing areas like the Negev and Galilee - not in continuing occupation of the West Bank. This is a reality that Prime Minister Sharon recognized, as well. So unauthorized outposts should be removed and settlement expansion ended."

Rice Sets New Standard
Pres. Bush also stopped short of saying Israel must withdraw from all of Judea and Samaria. Bush said rather that future Israel-PA negotiations must "lead to a territorial settlement, with mutually agreed borders reflecting previous lines and current realities, and mutually agreed adjustments."

By stating so clearly that the "the occupation of the West Bank will have to end," Rice has set a new standard for United States officials of her stature in opposition to Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria.

Secretary Rice did not deal with the question of what to do with the 240,000 Jews living in Judea and Samaria. Israel has not yet been able to solve the problems of the fewer than 10,000 Jews it evicted from Gaza two years ago; those Jews are still living in transient camps of temporary pre-fab houses, with no long-term housing or employment solutions in sight.

138 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:16:11am

re: #136 gettinby

I question the timing...

139 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:16:56am

re: #134 christheprofessor

VeryBigSigh. Been buying my kid stuff for college.

All things considered, we'd all have been better off if we just bought her a house and furnished it.

140 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:17:28am

re: #130 christheprofessor


Not certain which comment you are referring to. The one RE carrier escorts being reconfigured to a single role ?

141 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:18:56am

re: #140 Mike C.

The one that said that future escorts should be 5000 tons, saying that modern destroyers and cruisers had essentially merged roles...

142 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:20:11am
Rice Sets New Standard
Pres. Bush also stopped short of saying Israel must withdraw from all of Judea and Samaria. Bush said rather that future Israel-PA negotiations must "lead to a territorial settlement, with mutually agreed borders reflecting previous lines and current realities, and mutually agreed adjustments."


Hell,
If Israel gives them any more land,
the Jews will be living on top of Mt Arat.

/after they build the boat.

143 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:20:19am

re: #139 littleoldlady

Well, what you and your husband are doing will allow her to buy her own houses...

It's the smart move*...

*hat tip: Michael Corleone

144 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:25:14am

Rudy on energy independence.

I am not impress.

145 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:26:22am
Well, what you and your husband are doing will allow her to buy her own houses...

Sure. Someday. I figure she'll get the loans paid off by the time she's 40.

146 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:26:30am

re: #141 christheprofessor


Yeah, that's the one I mentioned. It discards the current thinking that, with a numerically reduced fleet, ships need to be multi-role.

147 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:27:36am

Olmert will be sending out doves to see if there is any dry land.

148 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:31:13am
149 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:32:18am

re: #145 littleoldlady

Heh. Still, it's the right thing to do!

/as if I need to say it... ;)

re: #146 Mike C.

My bone of contention, so to speak, is that ships need to be survivable if they take a hit...

150 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:33:19am

re: #144 Mike C.
Addendum

On the other hand, at least he didn't mention hydrogen.

151 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:33:46am

re: #148 ploome hineni

re: #129 littleoldlady

you just have to plant one time, and then they take over

I remember in the Laurentian mountains they grow wild

Oh, I'm sure I'd be able to grow the bushes. I just won't have any berries by the time the deer, rabbits, squirrels, groundhogs and (especially) birds get through with them.

152 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:37:04am
WASHINGTON -- Sen. John McCain's media team has resigned, an indication that a campaign shake-up two weeks ago is continuing to backfire and further imperil the Arizona Republican's presidential candidacy.

Political ad-makers Russ Schriefer and Stuart Stevens, veterans of President Bush's 2000 and 2004 campaigns, on Monday emailed the new campaign manager -- lobbyist and longtime McCain adviser Rick Davis -- to say that they were quitting.


Anybody have a few minutes they can give McCain?

153 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:38:35am
154 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:39:45am

re: #149 christheprofessor


With today's anti-ship weapons (conventional), armour is no match for preventing the hit in the first place. A single Exocet damned-near sank the Stark, and another knocked out the HMS Sheffield. My objection to the 5000 ton idea is that leaves you with nothing more than modern FFGs. Good ships and all, but we build larger and vastly more capable and lethal ones. And they can't really be armoured. The Aegis-class ships are dependent on that billboard radar system. You can't cover them in armour. And if that gets knocked out, the ship is no longer effective, regardless of any other damage.

155 WhiteRasta  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:41:10am

Test

156 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:46:12am

"Sir, they're asking me to leave. You were a lobbyist for 18 years. You were not a real conservative, sir. Sir, what do you think about World Trade Center 7, it was an inside job? What do you think... Don't grab me. Why are you touching me? Get your hands off me!"
Troofer confronts Fred Thompson in Texas. (Final minute of video)

157 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:47:03am

re: #153 ploome hineni

WHOA! You've got quite an orchard there!

I can't grow most of that stuff here, of course, and I spend enough time and $ trying to discourage the deer from eating my hostas. But some years the veggie garden really takes off and we eat well.

My peasant roots are pretty close to the surface. ;-)

158 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:47:30am

re: #154 Mike C.

True, but that's like arguing that tanks are obsolete. The reason that the Stark suffered such damage was precisely because it had insufficient armor protection (and was essentially made of aluminum) .

Put the right (Chatham) armor on them and send you where you need them. Plus, one always has to keep the safety and survivability of the crew in mind -- that's part of what separates us, in my opinion from the rest of the world.

159 keefe  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:48:44am
160 Luigi  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:48:53am

Before I go off to work, I feel a need to preach to the choir.

Here's the Arab League...

[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

and here's their deal...

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Egyptian and Jordanian envoys from the Arab League, on their first visit to Israel to present an Arab land-for-peace plan


I'm sure nobody actually needs the link, but here it is:
[Link: ca.today.reuters.com...]


Look at the map, and then look at the deal: LAND FOR PEACE. There's just one question. Where's Orwell when we need him? Maybe it's more of a subject for Lewis Carroll. Or maybe Jonathan Swift.

161 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:49:41am

re: #157 littleoldlady

My peasant roots are pretty close to the surface. ;-)

Peasants are the best cooks...

162 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:51:41am

re: #161 christheprofessor

re: #157 littleoldlady


My peasant roots are pretty close to the surface. ;-)

Peasants are the best cooks...

That comes from my Hungarian roots. ;-)

Real.Life.Intrudes.

Good day, ALL!™

163 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:52:38am

A little mellow music -- The Rain Song

164 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:55:02am

re: #162 littleoldlady

Well, you cook well (bad pun ahead) because your ancestors were (bad pun imminent) hungary...

165 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 3:57:48am

Wake up Realwest! I've got a nice, extremely respectful Photoshop of John Murtha that I think you'll enjoy.

166 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:00:52am

re: #165 ec marm

Excellent... Now, if you could just strap an IED on his back as he crawls by...

167 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:04:02am

re: #166 christheprofessor

re: #165 ec marm

Excellent... Now, if you could just strap an IED on his back as he crawls by...

I was thinking of having Nancy Pelosi go by next, then Harry Reid, then Cindy Shehag, but I'm feeling kind of lazy.

168 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:06:47am

ec marm

I hear ya...

Got a beautiful blonde-haired, blue-eyed gals number last night -- wish me luck!

169 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:07:49am

re: #158 christheprofessor


Nah - FFGs are steel (the hulls, that is). The HMS Sheffield had an aluminum superstructure (an RN guy told me why once - interesting story, and an argument for new as opposed to refitted ships in some cases) which actually burned, so I'm guessing that's what you were remembering. The Stark didn't have it's fire control systems activated. If it had, it likely wouldn't have been hit at all.

The fact is, a 5000 ton platform is simply not big enough to handle everything these days. You want highly advanced radar and fire control systems, and a whole lot of shots for them to use. A smaller platform necessarily just can't hold it all. The FFGs are truly amazing, given what they cram into a pretty small hull, but the cruisers and destroyers pack a way bigger punch.

Might as well relate the Sheffield story. The Sheffield was an old cruiser that had been upgraded. The existing diesel engine powertrain was replaced with a more powerful and LIGHTER gas turbine powertrain. But the loss of weight low in the ship made it top-heavy, so the existing steel superstructure was replaced with an alloy superstructure. That fixed the balance problem, and the overall loss of weight, couple with the increased power, made the ship substantially faster. But obviously not without a very high cost.

170 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:10:08am

re: #168 christheprofessor


Got a beautiful blonde-haired, blue-eyed gals number last night -- wish me luck!

Good luck to ya!. Make her laugh. Or, get her lots of alcohol. Seduction requires one or the other.

171 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:14:10am
Under his plan, Murtha, a close ally of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said that he envisions troop withdrawals to start in November and take about a year to complete.

Terrorists are marking their short calenders right now.
When they un-cover Nancy Pelosis private areas the attacks will begin.

This was mine.

[Link: www.figmochart.com...]

172 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:18:51am

re: #169 Mike C.

Here are pictures of the USS Stark after she was hit by two Exocet missiles (the first failed to detonate upon impact) through the hull. I can't help but think that an armored ship (like a WW2 cruiser) would have suffered far less severe damage from those hits.

173 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:19:29am

Mike,
You are right..

When terrorist can blow a ship out of the waters and kill 17,
we need more armor.

[Link: www.pianoladynancy.com...]

174 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:19:49am

Got an actual comment from an islamist at my blog. I've been invited to 'revert' and 'beware witness'!

Islam is a religion that it is so great that everyone can join it by saying the Shahada ” I beware witness that there is NO GOD but ALLAH and I beware witness the Muhammad was his prophet” and if you are a christian then you can add the sentence ” And I beware witness that JEsus was a messenger of God”

This is how easy to enter this great religion ... the religion that is so obvious and clear ... One God one Version of the Quran and still till now available the exact same ..with ZERO errors ...and everything is clear...

it is really amazing if u look with ur true heart to it how quickly u will revert to islam...

Allah is the all merciful and the kind and the more compassion to his slaves ...

it is the religion of peace and rest and satisfaction ...

Try to learn about it and visit ur nearer mosque and see how happy and convinced u will be

Peace be upon you all


/Ya just can't make this stuff up!

175 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:20:01am

Doh! Forgot the link -- here are the pics...

176 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:20:40am

Sorry,

picture of
USS Cole

177 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:22:00am

re: #174 ec marm

This is how easy to enter this great religion

Yeah, but the only way out involves explosives and vests... And raisins...

178 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:26:24am

re: #170 ec marm

She just wants me to cook for her...

179 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:29:49am

re: #178 christheprofessor

re: #170 ec marm

She just wants me to cook for her...

Plus, I'll make her a meal... ;)

180 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:30:04am

re: #177 christheprofessor

Yeah, but the only way out involves explosives and vests... And raisins...

Yeah, the only 'religion' that has a sort of Hotel California thing going...
'You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'

181 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:30:15am

Damn, did I kill the thread?

182 yochanan  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:31:54am

off topic

today i went back and read tillys story [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
and totally lost it (tears, trembling the whole 9 yards). sometimes we should all go back and read it so some of the petty things we all tend to debate should be put back into prespective.

183 Blueprinter  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:32:56am

The Paleos made their bed when they elected that bunch of murderous thugs as their "government", now they can lie in it.

A good dose of starvation might take their minds off trying to destroy Israel for a while.

184 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:33:03am

re: #182 yochanan

Yes, that is an astounding story. I recommend it to all newbies and lurkers who have not already read it. heart-wrenching.

185 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:34:13am

re: #172 christheprofessor


Like I said, if the fire control systems had been active, the missiles most likely wouldn't have hit at all. That is exactly the type of threat the weapons systems are designed to defeat.

If you armoured an FFG (say, to the point that the armour would prevent damage from a Silkworm, which has a much larger warhead than an Exocet), the extra weight would render it incapable of keeping up with a carrier, thus negating the whole purpose. IIRC, modern cruisers and destroyers are not really armoured, either. For sure carriers aren't.

FFGs were specifically designed as carrier escorts, with AA and ASW roles. They weren't designed to battle surface ships (although they do have torpedo launchers port and starboard and the helicopters can carry air-dropped torpedos for ASW work.) They are defensive ships only, for all intents and purposes, dedicated to protect the offensive ship, i.e., the carrier. Larger platforms, like the ones mentioned in that Defense Tech article, can also incorporate offensive capability in the form of cruie missiles and even guns.

Perhaps the USN should consider some sort of modern-day battleship, but it's clear this is not where modern ship design is heading. With the exception that the USN "rail gun" program is perking along nicely, with the objective of fielding a ship equipped with rail gun artillery capable of truly astonishing ranges. I'll try to dig up a link on that.

186 tappin52  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:39:53am

re: #139 littleoldlady

Just remember, Lady, they return from college and want to store all of their 'stuff' in your attic, garage, basement, etc... I have remnants from three college educated young people everywhere.

187 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:43:51am

re: #179 christheprofessor

Plus, I'll make her a meal... ;)

Oh, yeah. That is another great way. I remember my bachelor days. There's something about the role reversal ( I guess) that really works. Humor, alcohol, and a home cooked meal. I only hope that when the inevitable moment arrives and the question is asked, "What about Trade Center #7," she has the right answer. :~)

188 Roger  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:46:18am

#187 ec marm

Yea, it's a real flaccid maker when she says "Bush did it!"

189 yochanan  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:50:25am

re: #184 christheprofessor

I wonder how she is doing now. What she went through has to effect her for the rest of her life. In the same way a GI is effected by war.

190 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:50:48am

re: #188 Roger

#187 ec marm

Yea, it's a real flaccid maker when she says "Bush did it!"


If you are married to a conservative and need to sleep,
Just tell him/her that.

"Bush did it darling."

Bwha.

191 yochanan  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:54:25am

i for one would not want a moonbat girl. at my age they would look like breasts not bombs crowd EWWWH POKEING OUT MY MINDS EYE

192 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:55:29am

Okay, it's an old and not particularly great link that mentions the naval rail gun program, but here you go. I know there's better and more recent stuff out there, but I can't remember where.

Range up to 300 NM. Madre de Dios ! Couple that with both the expected rate of fire and the already-developed precision guidance systems for artillery rounds, and you have just cut WAY back on the need for lobbing million dollar cruise missiles at small targets.

193 Roger  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:55:40am

For me I'd need to know her answer for Tower #7 before I went to the grocery store.

194 yochanan  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 4:56:08am

at least some personal good news they settled the hisdatrut strike and i will get to see my grand daughter for the first time in NYC in aug.

195 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:04:23am

Missed the above story before signing off last night...reminds me of Old Yeller...after the dog got rabies, the kid kept pleading that the caged up animal be set free & his love would take care of it all...

196 3 wood  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:05:08am

Good Morning Lizards.

This may be the ultimate in excuse making, as well as academic double-speak.

Obesity 'contagious', experts say


Having a friend, sibling or spouse who is overweight raises a person's risk of being obese too, US researchers say.
They said data on more than 12,000 people suggested the risk was increased by 57% if a friend was obese, by 40% if a sibling was and 37% if a spouse was.

They argued this showed social factors, such as the body sizes of other people, were important in developing obesity.

Oh my, where do you start with disecting this stupidity?

First, what somebody else shoves down their piehole has no imapct on what, how much I choose to consume.

Second, there is something called exercise. What somebody else eats has no impact on the amount of exercise I choose to do.

Third, being around somebody who is obese ruins my appitite. The top 3 turnoffs I can think of for eating or libido are:

a.) a picture of the Code Pink skanks with their tops off;

b.) any picture of Momma Moonbat (the skank part is assumed by definition);

c.) Being around an obese person, especially if he/she has on tight clothes/cottage cheese thighs hanging out of shorts.

How about this instead, maybe really fat people tend to hang around with each other so they don't feel so bad about themselves by comparison?

Listen to this academic double-speak later in the article:

Author Professor Nicholas Christakis said: "It's not that obese or non-obese people simply find other similar people to hang out with.

"Rather, there is a direct, causal relationship. What appears to be happening is that a person becoming obese most likely causes a change of norms about what counts as an appropriate body size.

"People come to think that it is OK to be bigger since those around them are bigger, and this sensibility spreads."

So in other words, obese people find similar people to hang out with so they can feel okay with their being so fat. You just contradicted yourself, Einstien.

This kind of stupidity is why I don't attend faculty meetings anymore, imagine 4 hours of listening to crap like this.

197 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:07:46am

re: #192 Mike C.

A gun that accelerates a bullet to a speed of 13,000 miles per hour in 0.2 seconds? Seems like a science fiction dream, but don't even blink -- with advances in rail gun technology, a new era of high-speed military weaponry is coming right at us, faster than a speeding bullet.


Wow.

198 finallyhere  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:10:26am

re: #144 Mike C.

Rudy on energy independence.

I am not impress.

Does anybody have a better solution?

199 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:12:10am

What? Hours of television viewing re: #196 3 wood

What? Hours of television viewing What? Hours of television viewing and lack of exercise(laziness) is contagious? Jeez, I think we have some apologists for the obese going on here. I'm curious.. How would these jackasses explain Michael Moore? A donut eating michelin man with a ballcap and a hatred of his country? Could obesity contribute to that too?
I went to basic training/osut for cavalry scout (190d) at the ripe age of 31 about 5 years ago (4 years prior service USAF and 2 1/2 ANG) and even despite having not prepared myself for it (I quick-shipped) I still manage to finish in the middle of the PT tests and runs while kids younger than me were doing lousy. Has this new generation gotten soft? Is there idea of exercise "Jelly Donuts and Play Station" (as my drill sergeant used to say? Unfortunately, I was put out 3 weeks before graduation for breaking my foot but I can never forget the runs and how my drills used to call me "gramps", even though my scores were way higher than the younger guys. ... It makes me wonder.

200 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:13:57am

BTW: I didn't mean to demean soldiers as "Kids" but, at 31 when you're with a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds.. they do come off as kids sometimes.

201 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:14:10am

re: #196 3 wood

They argued this showed social factors, such as the body sizes of other people, were important in developing obesity.


[Link: www.zombietime.com...]
Obesity Virus.

202 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:15:45am

re: #200 baconeatingkaffir

Ah...you yourself, then are still a kid to me... by your own definition -- but ever more so, using that measurement... :)

203 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:16:49am

re: #202 Ma Sands

Well, my wife says all men are children.. only our toys are more expensive. :)

204 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:19:16am
The World Bank estimates that 75 percent of Gaza’s factories have closed and more than 68,000 Palestinian workers have been laid off as a result, he said.

Seems to recall that when Israel pull out, all of the profit making green houses and businesses they built and LEFT BEHIND as part of a seed money deal, were gutted and stolen by the local jihadi thieves and hoodlums.

Maybe I am misguided, an emerging people should destroy all the remnants of their imperial past. I worked so well for USSR and the GDR...wait, wait these countries don't exist.

No shoes for Industry, no shoes for them.

205 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:19:39am

re: #203 baconeatingkaffir

Ma, I was 31 5 years ago, though. :)

206 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:20:15am

re: #196 3 wood

I can understand that obese people could shove food at others to compensate, but as you point out, it's up to the person what he or she eats, as well as how much he or she exercises.

Of course, it could work the other way: thinner friends and family could encourage the overweight person to get fitter.

As for visual turn-offs, mine is the "muffin top": girls wearing such lowriding, tight jeans that their lovehandles spill out over the top, as muffin batter does in the tin as it bakes. When I see a girl at school dressed this way, I have to bite my tongue to keep from telling her how silly she looks.

207 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:23:07am

re: #206 goddessoftheclassroom

This is another good reason for school uniforms. All the students (except for university) wear them here, and I think it's a good idea.

208 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:23:16am

re: #205 baconeatingkaffir

Still applies...heehee :)

And that bit about children --I agree, though I think it makes them more endearing... :)

209 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:24:34am

re: #197 ibmkeyboard


There was a very successful test of a naval prototype system last year, but damned if I can find a link. Note also that catapults on future carriers are planned to be electronic rather than steam.

210 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:27:17am

re: #207 baconeatingkaffir

Oh, how I wish! As a teacher, I'd even wear a "uniform"--it would be tax deductible then!

School is for education, not self-expression, except in limited, appropriate circumstances, such as certain projects. The kids can express themselves at the mall, if they wish, not within the confines of a school where they have a captive audience.

211 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:27:40am

re: #206 goddessoftheclassroom

At the high school my kids went to, they had a really neat principal -- one of the phrases in his early morning patter over the loudspeakers, included the order to "pull your pants up"... :)

And, I know the kids were paying attention -- my children would roll off the entire 2-minute-long patter as if it were a rap chant! :)

212 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:28:40am
“Unless the crossings are open for imports and exports, the downward economic spiral will lead to extensive hardship for an already impoverished Gaza Strip.”

Unless the residents of the area make it clear that they will no longer accept the terror and tyranny of their duly elected leadership, the downward economic spiral will lead to extensive hardship for an already impoverished Gaza Strip.”

Unless Hamas releases its hold on the area, the downward economic spiral will lead to extensive hardship for an already impoverished Gaza Strip.”

Unless Iran and Syria stop arming and training the terrorists who run the area, the downward economic spiral will lead to extensive hardship for an already impoverished Gaza Strip.”

Unless the Arab nations embrace their defeated partisans and put an end to the "Palestinian refugee problem", the downward economic spiral will lead to extensive hardship for an already impoverished Gaza Strip.”

Unless the United Nations, through the office of Mr. Mohammed El Baradei, manages to equip Iran with a nuclear bomb, the downward economic spiral will lead to extensive hardship for an already impoverished Gaza Strip.”

213 3 wood  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:29:29am

Here's some good news, New York Times selling off assets to show increased profit.


CHICAGO (MarketWatch) -- Newspaper publishers New York Times Co. and Tribune Co. reported second-quarter results Wednesday, giving no indication that a prolonged print-advertising downturn will abate anytime soon.

New York Times Co. reported profit of $118.4 million, or 82 cents a share, compared with $59.6 million, or 41 cents, in the year-earlier quarter.

Excluding a gain on the sale of the company's television stations, which have been sold and are now accounted for as discontinued operations, as well as a gain on the sale of radio station WQEW-AM and a loss related to the shutdown of an Edison, N.J. printing facility, among other items, New York Times would have earned 34 cents a share in the latest three months.

Revenue fell 3.7% to $788.9 million from $819.6 million.

If you wade through the numbers, while NYT reported Earnings Per Share of 82 cents, about 60% of that was from a one-time sale of assets. So in plain language, their real EPS due to operations sucked.

Also, the Tribune company's profit is flat-lining.

Tribune Co. reported Wednesday that its second-quarter profit plunged 58% due to print- advertising weakness and charges tied to the marketing of derivatives, job cuts and a printing-plant shutdown.

It's like watching a slow motion train wreck.

214 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:30:03am

re: #198 finallyhere


Well, until somebody cobbles up a cellulosic process, ethanol is pretty much just a farm subsidy program which also drives up the price of food. The nuke plant idea, is, of course, completely valid, but what are the chances of ANYBODY fixing those problems in, say, the next presidential term ? Solar and wind will progress as technology and economics allow. Hydropower ? What, we're going to build more major dams and hydroelectric facilities ? Not in my lifetime. And the best sites have already been utilized.

Improved efficiency is a valid long-term strategy, but that will be driven more by market forces than government action. As I said, at least he didn't say "hydrogen."

215 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:32:53am

re: #211 Ma Sands

One of my now famous catch-phrases is "hitch your britches." In the most recent Harry Potter movie, one of the teachers uses her want to hike up some trousers. One of my students said, "OMG, I so thought of you!"

When I see the boxers and the knees sagging, I have to fight an almost overwhelming urger to yank the jeans to their ankles.

216 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:32:57am

re: #210 goddessoftheclassroom

Yeah, I remember one of the highschools I worked at had a dress code, No t-shirts advertising alcohol,cigarettes, or profanity, "underwear will not be worn as outerwear", "Hair must be a natural color".. no earrings for boys etc etc. Now, I guess they cna't do that anymore since somehow, these kids have "rights" .

217 3 wood  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:33:23am

re: #206 goddessoftheclassroom


When I see a girl at school dressed this way, I have to bite my tongue to keep from telling her how silly she looks.


I just laugh out loud at them. I'm in the fortunate position where I really don't have to care what they think.

218 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:33:59am

re: #215 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #211 Ma Sands

One of my now famous catch-phrases is "hitch your britches." In the most recent Harry Potter movie, one of the teachers uses her want to hike up some trousers. One of my students said, "OMG, I so thought of you!"

When I see the boxers and the knees sagging, I have to fight an almost overwhelming urger to yank the jeans to their ankles.

I know that urge. I used to fight the urge to staple the pants and underpants on.. or duct tape them.

219 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:37:14am

Video of Newt! speaking before Christians United for Israel. About a week old, I guess. "We can be reasonable and surrender, or we can defeat them." About 10 minutes long.

220 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:38:32am

re: #191 yochanan

i for one would not want a moonbat girl. at my age they would look like breasts not bombs crowd EWWWH POKEING OUT MY MINDS EYE

Who said anything about them being your age? Don't worry about it--nobody misses a slice from a cut loaf. And on that side of the fence--it's all thinly-sliced sandwich bread.

221 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:39:09am

re: #212 haakondahl

Perfect. You expose the cheap rhetorical trick the media constantly uses to force a connection between unrelated events. Well done!

222 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:40:09am

re: #219 ec marm


This is an awesome clip

I was going to run that same clip and a few others from that same night today, I still will.

HE NEEDS TO RUN

I would vote for him in a second.

223 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:40:17am

re: #217 3 wood

Lucky, lucky, you! My worry is that some parent would haul me in to the principal's office because I was "demeaning" or harassing her child.

I do try the positive reinforcement approach. When I see a a student looking particularly nice, I compliment her (or him). I have seen a few make better fashion choices afterwards.

The WORST thing for me is seeing tongue studs. My stomach turns. Nose studs are a close second. Actually, metal on any part of the face is disgusting to me.

224 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:40:35am

re: #221 Kenneth

I call this "pathetoric"

225 beblebrox  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:42:34am

re: #215 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #211 Ma Sands

One of my now famous catch-phrases is "hitch your britches." In the most recent Harry Potter movie, one of the teachers uses her want to hike up some trousers. One of my students said, "OMG, I so thought of you!"

When I see the boxers and the knees sagging, I have to fight an almost overwhelming urger to yank the jeans to their ankles.

Morning all! In my catholic school days we had a dress code that required us to at least wear button down shirts with collars, no jeans or cords, and dress shoes. this led to an interesting sort of non conformity where instead of students trying to get around the dress code to dress down we used to go the opposite the the point of students coming in in full business suits and the girls wearing dresses or business attire in and sort of convoluted attempt at non conformity.

226 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:42:36am

re: #215 goddessoftheclassroom

Hmmm... :) They really did, in my Dad's youth --they had what were called "whoopie pants"...elastic waistbands...and he & his brother were surprised, more than once... :)

227 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:43:31am

re: #215 goddessoftheclassroom

A few weeks ago I saw an idiot wearing the stylish baggy pants down to his knees & boxers exposed, attempting to board a bus. He tripped on the step (duh!) and fell headlong into the fare box, splitting open his forehead. He lay thee moaning while his friends laughed at him. Not the cool look he was going for. I'll admit to taking some cruel pleasure in his self-inflicted misery.

228 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:44:06am

re: #222 BabbaZee

We need Newt.

229 3 wood  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:44:50am

re: #216 baconeatingkaffir


Yeah, I remember one of the highschools I worked at had a dress code, No t-shirts advertising alcohol,cigarettes, or profanity, "underwear will not be worn as outerwear", "Hair must be a natural color".. no earrings for boys etc etc. Now, I guess they cna't do that anymore since somehow, these kids have "rights" .

I make it very clear each college term on the first day of class that you have to dress like a sane, mature human being in my classroom to stay in my class. If you don't I will throw you out and you are free to drop, transfer to another class, I really don't care which. No underwear hanging out, no tank tops, no pajamas, no pincushion faces with stuff hanging off. I tell them my clasroom is a dictatorship and I'm in charge. I tell my Dept Chairs the day they don't like it is the day they can get somebody else to teach my classes.

I'm told by my students this is one of the reasons why they line up to take my classes, many of them are tired of the ongoing circus in our college classrooms.

230 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:44:50am

re: #227 Kenneth

Did you have a camera phone handy?

231 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:45:00am

The best part of uniforms at school from the kid's perspective IMO having been there, was this :

No one could make fun of you or torture you in perpetuity because you didn't have the "cool"clothes

which I never had of course

it EQUALIZES everyone.

232 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:45:18am

re: #228 storagemanager

BIG TIME

233 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:46:11am

re: #227 Kenneth

I remember when I went to basic training we had a guy who liked to "Sag" his bdu pants under his bdu top. Well, we had an inspection one day and he got found out. The drill sergeant did actually pull his trousers down! "But my recruiter told me I could do it" ahahahahaha!

234 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:46:42am

re: #222 BabbaZee

[NEWT] NEEDS TO RUN

I would vote for him in a second.

Not a chance in Hell. Every Democrat's skin crawls at the mere mention of his name, and half of the Republicans' at the memory of his Hospital divorce paperwork. The man is BRILLIANT, and has the right solutions to nearly everything (no kidding!), but none of that matters--he can never campaign again without doing harm to the Republican party, and just driving his ideas into disrepute by association with his name.

Don't get me wrong--if I could "Miracle his ass into the Oval Office", I would. But he can't get there from here.

He needs to be somebody's Harry Hopkins. But he can't be the somebody. As awful as this feels to say, a Newt Nomination is a Democrat Presidency.

235 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:46:53am

Good morning Y'all from a warm (72 degrees, going up to 88 degrees) but still sunny Charlotte!
How's everyone doing this fine morning?

236 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:47:24am

re: #222 BabbaZee

re: #219 ec marm


This is an awesome clip

I was going to run that same clip and a few others from that same night today, I still will.

HE NEEDS TO RUN

I would vote for him in a second.

Please don't ever NOT run something because I found it first and you think I may not like it. The message is too important.

237 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:48:38am
[Link: www.JewishWorldReview.com...] | If Gen. David Petraeus can't stabilize Iraq by autumn — or if Americans decide to pull out of Iraq before he gets a fair chance — expect far worse chaos eventually to follow. We will see ethnic cleansing, mass murder of Iraqi reformers, Kurdistan threatened, emerging Turkish-, Iranian-, and Wahhabi-controlled rump states, and al-Qaida emboldened as American military prestige is ruined.
238 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:48:56am

re: #223 goddessoftheclassroom

The WORST thing for me is seeing tongue studs. My stomach turns. Nose studs are a close second. Actually, metal on any part of the face is disgusting to me.

Unless it's brass knuckles. Sometimes that's okay.

239 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:49:10am

Morning all -- cloudy and drippy in the Wisconsin/Illinois borderlands. I see the buttons have changed -- I'll have to go back and see what this is all about. Spent much of the last two days in a car with kids. First day was ok; by the end of the second day things were less than ok. I am fantasizing about buying a limo with one of those windows you can raise between the driver and the passengers.

My students generally dress ok because I praise those who look nice and subtely make fun of those who dress oddly. One of my grips is hats in class -- they learn quickly not to do that. I asked about the fashion of keeping the stickers and tags on them; I was told that makes you "lid" "fresh." I said it reminded me of Minny Pearl ("howwwDY!") Never saw the hat again.

240 ZionistYoungster  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:49:24am

OT, breaking, from the "What's the Arabic for 'chutzpah'?" department:

"Abu Mazen: set free 100 more Fatah prisoners" (link, in Hebrew, so here follows my translation):

In a follow-up to the freeing of 250 Palestinian prisoners from Israeli prison last week, the chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Abu Mazen, asked to free 100 additional Fatah prisons who had lived in the Gaza Strip. IDF Radio reported that the goal of this step was to strengthen Fatah in the Strip and to pressure Hamas into moderating the conditions for the release of Shalit.

Blackmail with constantly increasing demands.

This will not stop until we expel them all. There isn't any other solution. Anything else is a pipe-dream.

241 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:49:39am

MFer.

Secy. Rice:
Israel Must End Occupation of 'West Bank'

OK - someone want to tell me again how this administration is merely using diplomacy and I am just an insane effin spleen that doesn't understand the nuances because I am sooo unsophisticated

COMPLICIOTS.

NEWT! HELP!

242 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:50:11am

re: #229 3 wood

I love it!

I can't be stricter than the school dress "guidelines," but I do insist that the kids get rid of their gum--watching ruminating bovines drives me crazy. The comply pretty well. A glare is enough to get them to take a walk to the trash can.

I too tell the kids that my class is not a democracy; I am the Goddess of the Classroom, a benevolent despot (I tell them to look it up). They RARELY ask me why they have to do something after that.

243 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:50:17am

The beauty of uniforms, is that everyone is the same. All the kids wear a tie, and look presentable. It also keeps kids from playing hookie becuase most internet cafes and cafes here have banned the wearing of school uniforms in them. My highschool kids had normal hair (long hair on men isn't allowed in turkish schools nor are bald women!) and any kind of facial jewelery is banned.
The public school system here in Turkey is kind of strict. It's a bit old fashiioned but it's better that way. If a girl gets married during highschool, she can't attend anymore and has to go through the "Open high school" courses by distance learning. Ditto for pregnant girls. I guess the logic is .. if you're adult enough to do those things.. you're not a kid anymore and attending a school isn't for you. I'm sure it sure draws down the teenage pregnancy statistics!

244 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:50:27am

re: #236 ec marm

Oh I would never think that... and if I did, I would just ask you first - also link back to your post always.

245 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:50:47am

re: #235 realwest

'Mornin', lazybones! :) (I've been up since just past 5:30 ...trying to keep the squirrels from munching in my plum tree...but, I found they had already breakfasted there! --5 a.m. tomorrow mornin', to catch those little buggers!)

:)

246 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:51:07am

re: #234 haakondahl

Exactly how I think. Kind of the same way I felt about Bill Bennet, if I could make someone a "philosopher-king" it would be him or Newt, but un-electable.

247 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:51:28am

re: #235 realwest

How's everyone doing this fine morning?

Got a little something, here, especially for you!

248 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:51:34am
Jimmy Carter now writes books damning our present policies. He should keep quiet. When the Iranians stormed the American embassy in Tehran and inaugurated this era of Islamic terrorism, his U.N. ambassador, Andrew Young, announced that the murderous Ayatollah Khomeini was "a 20th century saint." Moralist Carter himself also tried to send hardcore leftist Ramsey Clark over to Tehran to beg the mullahs to release the hostages — in exchange for arms sales.


Next came Ronald Reagan, who, to put it kindly, was bewildered by Islamic extremism. He pulled out American troops from Lebanon after Hezbollah murdered 241 marines and thereby helped to energize a new terrorist movement that has spread havoc ever since.

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

249 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:51:56am

re: #240 ZionistYoungster

Boker Tov!

250 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:52:22am

re: #238 haakondahl

LOL!

Series of signs I saw on I-57 in southern Illinois:

Schoolyard thugs
Will not attack
If their teacher
Can shoot back

** BURMA SHAVE**

/actually, I just added the "burma shave" part, but it is sort of necessary.

251 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:52:51am

re: #234 haakondahl

Fuck the party
He can run as an independent

252 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:53:15am

re: #231 BabbaZee

Absolutely. Uniforms are actually less expensive that other clothes. Getting dressed is much easier because there are no decisions to make.

253 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:53:51am

lucius septimus

Damn. I haven't heard a hat called a "lid" since my father used the term. Took me a minute.

254 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:54:04am

re: #250 lucius septimius

Um...I think, if that company catches sight of it, though, you'd be in for it...just like the Palis stealing Mickey, only more so...

:)

255 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:54:10am
256 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:54:55am

Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird is a feast for cynics and other fans of true-life weird stuff, all of it sourced and documented. The column appears in a couple of hundred newspapers and even the newest installments are available online. Highlights of this week's column include:

People Different from Us:

Pablo Castro, 26, was sent to the hospital twice in Decatur, Ala., on June 24, once after being stabbed in an argument and, after his release later that day, being stabbed again while arguing with a different person. [Decatur Daily, 6-26-07]

And Tony Hicks was hospitalized in Knoxville, Tenn., for separate wounds on July 1, 2 and 3; he was hit by a car one night, then released from the hospital the next day, but was back in after an intruder attacked him in his home, and after his release the next day, he was back after police shot him in connection with a robbery. [WBIR-TV (Knoxville)-AP, 7-5-07]

Other regular features include "the Jesus World Tour," a roundup of divine apparitions in such unlikely places as tortillas and shower stains, and the "Classic Middle Name," a list of recently charged or convicted murderers with the middle name Wayne.

I've made a couple of appearances in NoTW over the years (as a contributor, not a subject).

257 3 wood  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:55:06am

re: #239 lucius septimius


I am fantasizing about buying a limo with one of those windows you can raise between the driver and the passengers.

Keep an eye open for the public annoucements of surplus police squad cars getting sold at auction and get one. Back doors only open from the outside so they can't jump out on you, and you have the bulletproof window or screen between you and the backseat. You can throw the little guttersnipes in there and drive around with some peace of mind.

258 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:55:19am

re: #252 goddessoftheclassroom

Agreed.
Uniforms are very good for schools, parents and kids IMO.

259 ZionistYoungster  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:55:41am

re: #249 BabbaZee

Lifnot Erev (="Before Evening") Tov, achoti!

Condi is State Dept. Whore is Gramscian Whore is Caliphate Whore.

260 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:55:53am

re: #242 goddessoftheclassroom

I too tell the kids that my class is not a democracy; I am the Goddess of the Classroom, a benevolent despot (I tell them to look it up). They RARELY ask me why they have to do something after that.

I use the "benevelent despot" thing too. I also like the sound of "God-King." I regularly threaten to disembowl them if they use contractions.

261 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:55:58am

re: #251 BabbaZee

re: #234 haakondahl

Fuck the party
He can run as an independent

But he can't win. But it would be nice if SOMEBODY (namely all of us) were to benefit from his ideas. Have you heard him talk about "Federal Chipmunks"? Fantastic.

262 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:56:07am

re: #259 ZionistYoungster

LOL.
Absolutely.

263 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:56:39am

Let's see.. uniform infractions, of my daughter when she was in highschool. Hmm... the wrong shade black pants, pink converse shoes, a henna tattoo on her hand. etc.
The public school system here in Turkey is pretty strict. Up until about 2 years ago corporal punishment was still the norm. Now, things are slowly starting to change.

264 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:56:56am

re: #245 Ma Sands Morning Ma! I've found that squirrels are some of God's craftiest creatures. They'll keep munching earlier and earlier (they can nap any time they want to, whereas you, poor soul, cannot!). I'd druther see you get a big ole Tomcat out there - methinks that'd keep the squirrels away!

265 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:57:24am

re: #255 BabbaZee

Thank you for that.

266 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:57:26am

re: #257 3 wood

Ooooh! That is a good idea. I'll spring it on the Missus and see what she has to say.

267 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:57:50am

re: #250 lucius septimius

A few years ago, I taught a class comprised mostly of boys, with whom I had established a strong rapport. A new kid joined the class late in the year. He started showing off and being mouthy to me. Subtley, and I'm sure unconsciously, all the guys turned their shoulders to him and froze him out. It was as if they were saying, "How dare you be rude to our goddessoftheclassroom!" That kid never gave me any more trouble after that.

(and I do keep a cricket bat next to my desk, just in case...)

268 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:58:45am

re: #261 haakondahl

If he spoke like that to the public constantly and ran on TRUTH instead of BS
separated himself from all "parties" and said why...

I think there would be enough Americans that would get behind that.

The only REAL reason he cant win is

MONEY


he who is bought by the most powerful quarters wins,
He who can buy the most votes with that loot wins

this is what it really comes down to

269 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 5:59:29am

re: #251 BabbaZee

Without a party, sad as it is, we're all just spitting into the wind. Knowing we're smarter than everyone else, but never having an effect on policy.

270 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:00:13am

re: #260 lucius septimius

Defenestration is one of my favorite threats.

When they're particularly obtuse, I call them "visigoths."

It's my small way of adding to their vocabulary and history knowledge!

271 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:01:04am

re: #265 storagemanager

I don't agree with 100% of Hagee's theology but I tell you this ...

The differences are few and insignificant
and
I love that man with all my heart.
He is truly a warrior.

272 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:01:36am

re: #267 goddessoftheclassroom

Do you have parents complain that they "can't control" their kids? I've had that here befoe. Somehow, alot of familes that recently came into money want to spoil their kid and "dont want them to have the rough life like i had". It drives me spare! The school system here is the exact opposite of the US. The public schools have more discipline, and the private schools.. well.. let's just say if you teach there, you don't have students.. you have customers.
I had one kid in my 10th grade class who was an absolute hellion. I have a standard "NO cellphone" rule in my class. Anyhow, said child continued using it. I told him one day, that if I saw him use it in my class or I heard it ring, I was going to throw it out the window. Well, I ended up doing exactly that. The kid complained to the school manager, and I got a small talking to. The next parent-teacher conference, the kid's parents THANKED me. ahahah :)

273 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:01:54am

The RNC may suck, but a party is a platform and I still agree with the Repub platform. Just finding someone who will embrace it seems to be the hard part.

274 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:02:00am

re: #264 realwest

Had one...resting under the bushes, yesterday morning! Oh, were those squirrels caterwauling at it, from safely up in the boulevard trees...heehee --started my day laughing... :)

275 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:02:12am
276 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:02:47am

re: #247 ec marm Oh geez, just for me, eh? I can't stand John Fucking Murtha, Ex-Marine and I sure hope he gets nailed in some kinda Abscam type deal or at the very least, voted out of office next time he's up for re-election.
Third choice would be five minutes alone in a room without windows with me (used to say three minutes, but I've gotten older than he has somehow!). No joke on any of those three choices. He's a cancer on our democracy because I don't think he's lying all the time just to advance his political career - I think he has a life-long hard on for the Military in general and real Marines in particular.
In any event, thanks for getting my heart rate up faster than coffee!
How are you doing this fine morning?

277 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:03:18am

Re: school uniforms

I'm for them, but it can go too far. I'm always relieved to see some assertion of individuality poking through. A friend of mine in our strict Catholic boys' school grew a braided rat-tail, for instance, which was fine, as long as he tucked it in. One day he forgot to do this, and sure as death, up behind him marched the school disciplinarian with hedge clippers. One snip, and around ten inches of rat-tail was handed to him courteously.

278 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:03:28am

i just seen on tv the newest hot selling t-shirt

ignorance breeds ignorance
neuter mike vick

279 3 wood  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:03:30am

By the way, I hear where this dummy Lohan claims she is innocent of the cocaine possession cause the dope was somebody else's. Something tells me she did not grasp what she just admitted to in that comment.

280 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:03:34am

re: #269 Spenser (with an S)


Both parties are utterly corrupt and will never run anyone that will fight.

We HAVE to go outside it.
The sooner the better IMO

281 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:05:58am

YO Real

282 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:06:03am

re: #251 BabbaZee YO BABBA! I reckon this is another one of those things we'll have to agree to disagree about; regardless of his true value as a politician, Newt ain't every gonna get elected and he's smart enough to know that if he runs third party a Democrat will win the WH in '08 and most likely Hillary.

283 THX-42  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:06:12am

OT, but huge: the identity of "Scott Thomas" revealed!

I can hardly wait for the real fact checking that will now begin. I expect this story will be over in less than 48 hours, and this soldier will be exposed as someone with an overactive imagination and visions of "Jarhead"-like script dollars dancing in his head...or simply a not very good liar.

284 legalpad  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:06:18am

#198 finallyhere
re: #214 Mike C.

I think Rudy's comments are very good. The coal and nuclear ideas, especially. There is a well-proven design for smaller nuclear plants that is just brilliant, and supremely safe. It's just that no one has been selling the idea. Clean coal technology has made serious progress. But I would add ANWAR and offshore oil, though, like him, I wouldn't mention it. Our ethanol program is not so hot, though, being corn based. We should just buy Brazil's sugar-based ethanol and develop our other technologies. Another big item is shale oil.

But the real reason we don't break off yet is because the Saudi's still need us to buy their oil, and we would rather use their resources than ours. Imagine if the United States suddenly had zero demand for oil. What would happen to the world's oil industries? Of course today's oil prices are largely a result of increasing demand in other countries, but they still don't come close to us.
The day in the future when the Saudi's are a minuscule part of the world's energy supply is inevitable.

oil cost graph

285 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:06:27am

3 wood

Well, she sure grasped the cocaine.

286 humanity  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:06:38am
Gaza collapse ?

Its the most funny words I have ever heard...

287 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:06:41am

re: #275 BabbaZee

myself

Wrong link storage,
thats the same clip
Sorry
I'll find the right one eventually

288 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:07:03am

re: #270 goddessoftheclassroom

How are you doing, BTW? Was your class a success?

Ooops, Baby Girl is trying to do her nails ...

289 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:07:08am

re: #252 {goddessoftheclassroom} Good morning to you! How are you this fine morning?

290 humanity  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:07:40am

BAAAAAAAbbaaaaaaaaaZZZeeeeeeeeeEEE

291 humanity  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:08:07am

Good After Nooon

292 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:08:14am

re: #253 haakondahl Hey Hawk! When I was younger a lid referred to something that went to your head, not something you wore on it! LOL!

293 humanity  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:08:16am

whatz up

294 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:08:54am

re: #272 baconeatingkaffir

Good for you!

Forgive me is this is too personal, but are you English? The expression "it drives me spare" suggests that you lived in England at some time.

295 big L  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:09:23am

looks like Hamas is going dn the tubes and look like Olmert's Israel is following right along. when is Israel going to get rid of that guy?

296 3 wood  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:09:46am

By the way, for those kind enough to pray for my relative named Nancy with the metastised cancer, she just got her second opinion in.

Not to be a downer here, but she's got 2 months, with chemo maybe 6, no chance for surgery to help.

I hope the Lord takes her home quickly to spare her the pain. And so it goes...

297 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:10:00am

Realwest!

Good morning to you. How did your last consultation go, if I may ask?

298 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:10:14am

re: #276 realwest


How are you doing this fine morning?

Real good. I wasn't sure if picturing John F'n Murtha as a slimy cockroach, hoisting a white surrender flag as he crawled his way across the ground in front of the U.S. Capitol building was maybe a tad too strong.

299 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:10:26am

re: #287 BabbaZee

Thanks anyway.

300 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:11:07am

re: #292 realwest

re: #253 haakondahl Hey Hawk! When I was younger a lid referred to something that went to your head, not something you wore on it! LOL!

That is definitely "old school."

301 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:11:28am

re: #294 goddessoftheclassroom

NO, i'm not English, but I did spend some time there. I'm very much American. I just like the expression. It cracks me up when these parents tell me that they "can't control" their children or they "don't know how to speak to them". What kind of parental instinct is that?!
I've also found out that peer pressure can be a great motivator. My military experience has taught me that I can make students feel uncomfortable without having to actually result to violence. :)

302 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:12:15am

re: #296 3 wood

I've just said a prayer for Nancy and all who love her. She's added to the list.

I'm sorry for the difficult news. May she be granted peace.

303 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:12:55am

re: #282 realwest


I think its time to stop being afraid of shit like that and run a bold leader independent of the whores and the beasts.


Moshe and Irving are on their knees at the end of a very long line at the edge of a pit which they just dug themselves.

The Nazis are shooting each one in turn , and they fall one by one into the pit

Moshe sees they are getting close now.

So Moshe stands up and starts screaming:
COME AND GET ME , YOU BASTARDS! I'll show you how a Jew dies,
HEAR OH ISRAEL!

Irving grabs him by the sleeve and whispers in his ear:

SHHH!
YOU WANT TO GET THEM MAD?

304 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:13:43am

re: #296 3 wood

[praying for her]

305 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:13:50am

re: #301 baconeatingkaffir

I lived in England for a few years, and I also use that expression, as well as a few others.

I also share your frustration about clueless parents. It's amazing how insisting on courtesy and correct behavior works!

306 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:13:54am

re: #285 godfrey

...and the cocaine in her nose? that was somebody else's too!

307 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:14:09am

re: #279 3 wood Morning my friend! Something tells me she doesn't grasp very much of anything at all. Sorta just a better looking Paris Hilton.

308 madisonsfriend  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:14:11am

Un ENvoy shills for hamas-C'mon Charles, is this supposed to be news? The UN has the HRC which is formed for the purpose of condemining Israel ,the Palistinians have their own Un welfare organization and the UN itself has condemned Israel more than any other nation. The guy's job description probably says "UN Envoy for HAMAS"

By the way, what did these factories produce- flags to burn, effigies, ski masks ? All we ever hear is how they have no money and a bloated "civil service". If they are so poor- why are there cell phones and cafes and stupid masks and weapons- I don't see any of that in Darfur. Let their Egyptian brothers help them.

And if I hear one more leftist idiot say - We need to support Hamas because they were demoicratically elected- I will spit.

309 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:14:41am

re: #293 humanity

HUMANATEEE!

310 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:15:06am
Arutz 7 TV
July 25: Why did the Histadrut begin the strike?
Kohanim and Levi'im gather in Jerusalem
Interview - Gush Katif Evacuee Debby Rosen
July 23: Evacuees begin hunger strike

Reported

IAF Strikes Terrorists Launching Rocket Attack


(IsraelNN.com) An Israel Air Force aircraft struck two Palestinian Authority terrorists preparing to launch a Kassam rocket attack on Israel from northern Gaza Thursday afternoon.

The launching equipment was destroyed in the air strike, and both terrorists were wounded, although their condition is unclear

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

311 Carridine  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:16:09am

#238 Haakondahl:

And... you get a hat tip, well-deserved!

312 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:16:18am

re: #301 baconeatingkaffir

Parenting is hard work without let up for years on end. Now that they outnumber us I begin to understand the "can't control" line a bit better. Still, some people are just too lazy and self-indulgent to do the work that's required. Also, a lot of the "control" issues arise from puting kids in situations where they can't be expected to control themselves.

I saw someone lecturing their little girl, who couldn't have been more than 4, at "Blue Point" a swanky lounge/restaurant in Atlanta at like 11:00 pm. What in the hell were they doing taking a toddler out to a fancy restaurant at that time of night to beging with? And then expecting her to sit quietly when she was totally strung out so the grown ups could drink Cosmopolitans and gossip?

313 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:18:11am
There's a lone soldier on the cross, smoke pourin' out of a boxcar door,
You didn't know it, you didn't think it could be done, in the final end he won the wars
After losin' every battle
.
314 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:18:41am

re: #306 Kenneth

re: #285 godfrey

...and the cocaine in her nose? that was somebody else's too!

Mine was somebody else's too, when I could swing it ...

As Diogenes said when asked what sort of wine he liked to drink, "that which belongs to others."

315 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:19:15am

Something we can all agree on is prayers for the sweetest little 6 yr. old you've ever seen who our church worked with in a school program last year Her mother's boyfriend attempted to remove her panties this weekend. Thankfully, she screamed and a neighbor took her to the Hispanic center where they called Child Protective Services who did arrest him. He stayed in jail for a whole day until bail was posted. Now, her mother will not let her see her mentor or the kind neighbor who helped. The house is his and she doesn't want to move so the girl is stuck in the house with this monster and I'm sure her mother has told her not to make trouble again. I'm praying for "chariots of fire" to surround her bed, and a big millstone for the evil freak.

316 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:19:21am

Oh, to answer questions:

1. My SAT prep class went very well. The post test scores improved, and the kids felt that my lessons helped.

2. I'm doing well. My marriage is circling the drain, but I can deal with the definite far better than the uncertain. I guess there's still a tiny spark of hope left that counseling will help us sort all this out (and I'm still going to do my best to try), but I can't save this all by myself. I'm playing George Strait's "She Let Herself Go" in a continual loop in my head, and it's SO soothing!

317 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:20:05am

re: #296 3 wood Ah geez, I'm really sorry to hear that my friend. I shall re-double my prayers for her and also pray that her chemo will enable her to survive (it has been known to cure some cancers and I'll pray it works in her case).
Again, my deepest sympathies.

318 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:20:17am

re: #42 WrathofG-d

You forgot Rhodesia. Mugabe's cronies are fat, the balance starve, get beaten, etc. Its almost criminal that Ian Smith has been proven dead right.

319 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:20:21am

re: #241 BabbaZee

From your link,

Rice, about to depart for the Middle East to prepare an upcoming international meeting of regional leaders, said that President Bush recently stated "very clearly that Israel's future will rest in Israel, in places like Galilee and in the Negev - and that the occupation of the West Bank will have to end, and a Palestinian state will need to be established."

History lesson for Dr. Rice: Ancient Israel was born in Judea and grew into Samaria and Galilee. The Negev only became part of modern Israel because it was a baren wasteland nobody else (ie. the Arabs) wanted.

I am sooo over Rice.

320 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:21:30am

I HATED cocaine back when I was running with the devil.
Did it once, that was more than enough for me.

321 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:21:52am

re: #297 lucius septimius Hello there! Well so far, so good! Had second epidural on Monday, here it is Thursday and only minor pain seems to remain!
Thanks for asking!

322 beblebrox  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:21:56am

re: #277 godfrey

Re: school uniforms

I'm for them, but it can go too far. I'm always relieved to see some assertion of individuality poking through. A friend of mine in our strict Catholic boys' school grew a braided rat-tail, for instance, which was fine, as long as he tucked it in. One day he forgot to do this, and sure as death, up behind him marched the school disciplinarian with hedge clippers. One snip, and around ten inches of rat-tail was handed to him courteously.

Somewhat similar to my Catholic school rules. for guys: no hair that touched the collar or covered the ears. for some strange reason about half the school's male population took to shaving their heads.

323 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:22:07am

"Work" accident?

DAMASCUS, Syria (Reuters) -- An explosion at a military complex in northern Syria killed 15 soldiers and wounded 50 on Thursday.

Authorities said the blast, which was heard 20-kilometers (13 miles) away, was caused by an accident. Syrian television said the explosion was "not a terrorist act".

"There is a heat wave and temperatures reached close to 50 degrees, which caused an ammunition dump to explode," one official told Reuters.

Witnesses said the blast took place early in the morning at a military area housing a special forces unit and an infantry school in the Muslemiah area north of the city of Aleppo.

324 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:22:12am

School clothes. My first six years in school, I wore a pair of navy blue pants, black shoes, white shirt and a navy blue tie. Every day, with the exception of the very last day of the school year, when we could dress otherwise. But "otherwise" back then was, um, a bit less extreme than today.

I also wrote with a fountain pen filled with blue-black ink. Ballpoint pens and pencils were not allowed, nor was printing. Only cursive writing was taught or allowed. Chatecism 5 days a week, too, and mass every Friday (during school, I mean.)

I still have nightmares about diagramming sentances. Very long sentances.

325 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:22:53am

re: #320 BabbaZee

Cocaine = instant asshole powder

326 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:24:03am

re: #324 Mike C.

But you know how to write correctly and well, and you probably have beautiful penmanship.

327 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:24:30am

re: #311 Carridine Good morning my friend (or afternoon/evening whatever!). How are you doing this fine day?

328 Carridine  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:25:14am

re: #321 realwest

re: #297 lucius septimius Hello there! Well so far, so good! Had second epidural on Monday, here it is Thursday and only minor pain seems to remain!
Thanks for asking!

GLAD to hear THAT, Bud!

Now, y'all take it easy for a day or two, NO dancing after 2AM, y'hear?
:D

329 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:25:36am

re: #319 Kenneth

It is sickening. I saw it coming though, for a long time.


NEWT '08

330 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:26:10am

re: #325 Kenneth

LOL! 100% agree.

331 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:26:13am

BBIAW, lizards. Have a great day!

332 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:26:29am

re: #237 storagemanager

President Bush has been waging a secret campaign to get the remaining Jews and Christians out of Iraq with great success, and some of the moderate 'slimers, whatever that is.

Now he will be able to either redeploy the troops to bases outside the sh*ttys, say around the oil production ares, or out of the country and let the m o o s e l i m b s have at it.

'Brilliant!' Says I.

333 beblebrox  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:26:49am

re: #324 Mike C.

we never had the pen issue but did have mass every friday. i still remember a friend who got in deep trouble who was asked to play the piano during communion when for a recessional song he played an instrumental version of "Stairway to Heaven"

334 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:27:06am

re: #315 Spenser (with an S) I'm sorry, that just doesn't compute for me. Her MOTHER insists she remain in her boyfriends house? WTF is wrong with her MOTHER?!

335 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:27:13am

re: #326 goddessoftheclassroom


You gotta be kidding ! Several nuns told me I was going to burn in hell for my crappy penmanship.

Okay, not really, but we got graded on that and it was always my lowest grade. These days even I can't read my handwriting if I don't transcibe it soon after. I shoulda been a doctor.

336 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:27:16am

re: #316 goddessoftheclassroom

On the drain thing ... years ago my wife and I went to see a marriage councillor. Not that things with us were bad, but we'd been through some very serious stress (in the first eight months after we were married, both our fathers died within three weeks and we had a miscarriage) and were trying to keep from going insane.

Anyway, one thing she said to us that always stuck with me is that in a way we had an advantage. Most people's immediate response when they face a crisis in their marriage, even minor ones, is to try to go back to the beginning, to return to the "good times" of courtship and honeymoon. The problem is, it is usually in those early moments that the germ of later problems is concealed, and the quest to "go back" usually only ends up returning to the source of the problem, not offering a solution. Just something to chew on.

Her comment to us was: we're lucky, because there isn't much in our "honeymoon" period we'd want to relive. Everything since then HAD to be better ...

337 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:27:49am

re: #332 BenZacharia

I happen to have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale if you are interested.

338 3 wood  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:28:37am

re: #315 Spenser (with an S)


I have no words...

339 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:29:13am

re: #333 beblebrox


Heh. Stairway to Heaven ? When I did that crap, that song was, um, just a bit in the future. Elvis was just getting big back then.

340 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:29:32am

re: #337 BabbaZee

You and Rudy, both.

341 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:29:42am

Good morning Lizards! President Bush is coming to Philadelphia this morning & the moonbats promise to be out in force. I'm going to try to sneak out of work & shoot some of them.
With a camera, with a camera!

342 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:30:11am

OT: (& good morning, all)

this is perfect:

A message for the KOS Kidz:

343 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:30:18am

Good morning.

Very nice wave is coming off Africa later today or early tomorrow. Potentially, it would hit Florida August 9th. +/- about 1.5 days

344 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:30:45am

re: #342 FrogMarch

OT: (& good morning, all)

this is perfect:

A message for the KOS Kidz:

(h/t: insta)

345 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:30:54am

re: #337 BabbaZee

re: #332 BenZacharia

I happen to have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale if you are interested.

Iran wants chaos to bring back the hidden Imam...very soon Irag will be on fire.

346 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:31:05am

re: #332 BenZacharia I hope our troops "exit" Iraq through Iran and Syria. Soon.

347 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:31:36am

re: #340 BenZacharia

Huh?
WTF does Rudy have to do with anything?

Do you seriously believe that there is some brilliant secret plan afoot and Bush is going to rush in there and crush the enemy in the nick of time?

348 3 wood  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:31:38am

re: #321 realwest


Well so far, so good! Had second epidural on Monday, here it is Thursday and only minor pain seems to remain!

Great news. Something tells me you will have a good score this weekend in golf.

349 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:32:42am

re: #336 lucius septimius

Very interesting insight, thank you for sharing it. Most people only start to see a councillor after some big crises, ie, after it's too late. You & your wife are very wise & fortunate to have each other.

350 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:33:16am

re: #334 realwest

Apparently, according to my social worker friend (conservative) this is sadly not unusual. Kids are one thing, but don't mess up my chances to have a "man" around. I don't know where they live, yet.

351 beblebrox  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:33:29am

re: #339 Mike C.

re: #333 beblebrox


Heh. Stairway to Heaven ? When I did that crap, that song was, um, just a bit in the future. Elvis was just getting big back then.

just a little before my time. this would have been in the mid 80's. my writing was so bad i finally talked them into letting me use a then relatively unknown technology called a "word processor".

352 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:34:31am
IDF kills 3 Islamic Jihad operatives in Gaza


Published: 07.26.07, 16:18 / Israel News

Palestinian sources reported that at least three people were killed in an IDF attack in the central Gaza Strip.

According to the report, an Israeli aircraft fired a missile at a car carrying al-Quds Brigades, the Islamic Jihad's military wing operatives. Omar el-Khatib, a senior member in the organization was reportedly killed in the attack. (Ali Waked)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

353 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:35:51am

re: #345 storagemanager

Actually, the Zionist Neocons created chaos in Iraq on purpose so they could steal their oil. Naomi Klein said so.

354 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:36:13am

Good Morning from the Land of Coz!

355 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:36:17am

The problem with most people regarding marriages (and all relationships) is that the world around us now considers all things including people disposable.

Loyalty, endurance and fortitude are becoming lost arts.

356 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:37:19am
357 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:37:27am

re: #350 Spenser (with an S) So help me I'll NEVER understand that. Don't mess up my chances to have a man around. Darlin', don't know how to tell you this, but if the BF is already starting to fool around with your 6 year old kid, then you do NOT have a man around at all.
Sure sorry there ain't no cure for Stupid, cause Stupid can cause an awful lot of pain and suffering for innocent people.

358 lockandload  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:38:14am

So maybe just maybe they should try to stop kidnapping soldiers /civilians blowing up bus stops and pizza parlors and firing rockets into Israel. Come on bitch and moan about import export and economy outta one side of your mouth while your setting that bomb? A big piss off to the U.N. and the Palestinians

359 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:38:34am
Pakistan test fires nuclear-capable missile

I don't like this

...President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz greeted scientists on the test firing and "assured complete support in the development plans of all strategic projects," the statement said.

The Babur Hatf VII is a terrain-hugging, radar avoiding cruise missile.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

360 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:39:13am

re: #354 coz Good morning coz! How's things in cozland today?

362 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:40:24am

re: #355 BabbaZee

The problem with most people regarding marriages (and all relationships) is that the world around us now considers all things including people disposable.

Loyalty, endurance and fortitude are becoming lost arts.

My wife is my best friend...we do everything together...including work.

363 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:41:49am

re: #355 {BabbaZee} Hey Babba "Loyalty, endurance and fortitude are becoming lost arts character traits in our "disposable" society."
There, fixed that for ya!

364 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:42:59am

re: #363 realwest

;~}
Character itself is an art!

365 cpuller  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:43:00am

Every time the UN comes out with an utterly ridiculous statement like this, our state department or someone in this administration should immediately respond with a rebuttal.

Sadly, since 1992, our leaders have pressured Israel into situations that are detrimental to Israel. For Israel's part, they have had leaders that weren't willing or able to stand up to our leaders and say, "Hell No!"

366 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:43:17am

So, I took the Best Dog in the World™ to the vet a couple of weeks ago. Normally, they leave a message on my answering machine in a couple of days indicating that everything is fine...

She hasn't been feeling well for a while, and so I had extensive tests run...

Haven't heard anything in two weeks so I called. The tech says, "Oh, we forgot to add in the heartworm test." I said, "And?" He says, "Well, it was negative."

I said, "That's good."

He says, "Dr. X is with a patient, she'll call you when she'd done."

She's never called me before after an exam, I'm wondering what's up...

367 Venezuela lover  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:43:21am

re: #42 WrathofG-d
Kudos for that great post. It says it all.
Please everyone go up to #42 and see what needy people the UN ignores.

368 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:43:35am

re: #351 beblebrox


When I got introduced to "word processors", Wang (remember Wang ?) was the gold standard. I remember going to a show and getting a button from their booth proclaiming "My Wang Can Work Wonders !" I think I still have that somewhere. At that time, Exxon actually was trying to get into the field, bringing out a line of word processors. We did finally get one in the office. An IBM, I think. It was just about the size of a big side-by-side refridgerator/freezer laid over on it's side, and used what had to be 10-12" floppy discs as a storage media. Big advance over the old mag card readers. The G&G department was trying to decide if an Apple or an Atari would make a good addition to the office. Pre-PC.

369 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:44:05am

re: #315 Spenser (with an S)

Oh, Lord. Help.

370 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:44:28am

Something Cool!

Go here and on the right side bar under "More Video Stories" click on "Homecoming Celebration"

372 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:45:39am

re: #356 BabbaZee

Yo Coz

NOOO BABBA,

not you too!

Aargh. I guess I had one coming.

{Babba}

373 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:46:18am

re: #296 3 wood

Are you close to her... ?

374 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:46:19am

Must read:

Living With Rockets-Which Child Should I Save? Chilling echo of the Holocaust. Same Nazi spirit.

375 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:46:20am

re: #372 coz

LOL

376 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:46:22am

RealGood Realwest!

377 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:46:30am

re: #366 christheprofessor Good morning to you.
Try really hard not to worry. Or as Mom says, don't go buying trouble. I know it's hard to wait, but it could be just that the vet want's to apologize for their not getting back to you sooner with the results that all is ok with the Best Dog in the World™.

378 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:47:01am

re: #361 BabbaZee

How true

379 Buck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:47:20am

re: #198 finallyhere

re: #144 Mike C.


Rudy on energy independence.

I am not impress.


Does anybody have a better solution?


I do. There is enough oil in the USA, Canada and Mexico for this continent to be 'energy independant'. Canada alone has more reserves than Saudi Arabia.

I call on the three governments to create a USCANMEX single trading desk to assure the people of North America that they are only using domestic product, and no funds are going to our ememies.

I would pay more for gas and oil if I knew that to be true.

380 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:47:26am

Word of the Day
Thursday July 26, 2007

serendipity ser-uhn-DIP-uh-tee, noun:
The faculty or phenomenon of making fortunate accidental discoveries.

381 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:47:34am

re: #355 BabbaZee

You said it, sistah.

382 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:47:36am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Scott Thomas has been revealed as Pvt. Scott Thomas Beauchamp. That's great - but does his stories hold water?

383 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:48:12am

re: #359 storagemanager I'll bet India likes it even less than you do.

384 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:49:16am

re: #362 storagemanager Hey my friend, just want to say what you already know: you are one helluva lucky man!

385 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:49:19am

re: #279 3 wood

Heh. You're right, but she could always claim that she was just going to powder her nose /pulp fiction

386 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:49:35am

re: #377 realwest

Thanks, that could very well be. I doubt it, though, frankly...

That said, he did say there was nothing wrong...

Perhaps she just wants to run throught the results since I had more tests done than I normally do...

387 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:50:34am
Valdivia woke Wednesday morning to find that her family's inflatable pool, hip high and 10 feet in diameter and filled with water, was stolen from her backyard in the middle of the night. There is no evidence that the water was poured out, pumped out, evaporated or drunk.

[Link: www.northjersey.com...]

388 MrMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:50:36am

Morning All!
{Babba} Love ya!
realwest...glad to hear you're getting some relief. Never doubt the power of prayer.
GOTC..Sorry to hear you're situation isn't improving. Still on our prayer list her at MrMom's house!

coz, Kenneth, storemanager...all the usual suspects. :^)

389 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:50:36am

re: #379 Buck

Driving through southern Illinois, everywhere I see signs about the wonders of ethanol. Meanwhile there are oil wells in the corn fields that aren't pumping anymore and gas is, thanks to the hooch and taxes, 30 cents a gallon more than across the river in Kentucky.

Politics as usual.

390 opnion  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:50:52am

Why yes ofcourse the border should be open. There are far to many pizza parlors in Israel and Plaestinians are very proficient at blowing them up.

391 beblebrox  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:51:04am

re: #368 Mike C.

re: #351 beblebrox


When I got introduced to "word processors", Wang (remember Wang ?) was the gold standard. I remember going to a show and getting a button from their booth proclaiming "My Wang Can Work Wonders !" I think I still have that somewhere. At that time, Exxon actually was trying to get into the field, bringing out a line of word processors. We did finally get one in the office. An IBM, I think. It was just about the size of a big side-by-side refridgerator/freezer laid over on it's side, and used what had to be 10-12" floppy discs as a storage media. Big advance over the old mag card readers. The G&G department was trying to decide if an Apple or an Atari would make a good addition to the office. Pre-PC.

i had an apple2. i managed to convince my parents in about 78 or 79 that i needed one because computers were the future and i needed to learn. i used that damn thing clear through my sophomore year of college. parents told me i'd better considering they had spen $5000 on it.

392 ec marm  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:51:21am

Democrats suddenly discover terrorism. Not who you would think, though.

And while Democrats rebuff Republicans and their accusations of shutdown politics, the majority is throwing some brickbats of its own.

“They’ve been stalling,’’ said John W. Olver, D-Mass., chairman of the House Transportation-HUD Appropriations Subcommittee. “They are nihilists. They are jihadists.” Link


/Republicans are the true jihadists!

393 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:51:43am

re: #384 realwest

re: #362 storagemanager Hey my friend, just want to say what you already know: you are one helluva lucky man!

Thank you...hope you are feeling better real.

394 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:51:43am

Yankee ingenuity!

July 25, 2007: The latest version of the U.S. anti-radiation missile, AGM-88E, makes is nearly impossible for enemy radars to be turned on, and avoid destruction... The AGM-88E version defeats the favorite trick of anti-aircraft units, shutting down their radars when they note a HARM is on the way. The AGM-88E remembers where the radar is when it was on, and carries its own high resolution (mm wave) radar to make sure it gets the radar. Finally, the AGM-88E can transmit a picture of the target, just before it is hit, so the user can be certain of what was taken out. Currently, there are orders for over 2,000 of these missiles from the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps, Italy and Germany. Production begins this year.

I would be interested to see these "tested" on the Russian-built air defence missiles Iran & Syria just bought.

395 lucius septimius  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:52:16am

re: #387 storagemanager

Who could drink that much water?

Then there was the guy who scaled the Washington Monument when it was being cleaned to steal the platinum tips off the lightening rod on the very top.

396 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:53:07am

OY VEY-Did you guys see this?

Who is Teaching Your Kids? Saudi Arabia!

397 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:53:33am

Some good arguments against chutch.

398 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:53:45am

Well, that was sure a fun eleven minutes of watching the lemmings hightail it out of the market and taking the Dow down 154 with them.

/hopefully, that will be the low for the day, it seem to be steadily coming back up

399 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:54:55am

re: #388 MrMom

coz, Kenneth, storemanager...all the usual suspects. :^)

coz -suspect?

I didn't do it you didn't see me do it you can't prove anything...

: )

400 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:55:18am

re: #371 Kenneth

It's funny that they say that they're only now going into production of anti-war movies. The thing is that Hollywood has been producing anti-war movies ever since the end of WWII era. It began in earnest during the Vietnam war, and you can argue that most war flicks since the 1970s are antiwar flicks.

401 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:55:34am
NEW YORK (AP) -- Wall Street tumbled in early trading Thursday as investors grew increasingly anxious about escalating oil prices and rising concerns about mortgage and corporate lending. The Dow Jones industrials fell more than 120 points. The steep decline continued a weeks-long streak of volatility on Wall Street -- investors who had been able to shrug off concerns about subprime problems and a more difficult environment for corporate borrowing were clearly once again worried The rising price of oil, which hovered around $77 a barrel, also took a toll on stocks

.
[Link: biz.yahoo.com...]

402 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:55:34am

re: #379 Buck WIth all due respect, I thought Rudy's piece was extremely good. Reducing our dependence on oil is a good thing. Eliminating our reliance on foreign oil, from anywhere, is a great thing.

403 Roger  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:55:36am

#319 Kenneth

I am sooo over Rice.

Glad to see you're finally catching up:-)

404 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:55:53am
405 irish rose  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:56:28am

re: #42 WrathofG-d

Slam dunk!

406 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:56:34am
407 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:56:35am

Good morning lovely lizards!

What's the good word today?

408 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:57:07am

Good Morning
Writer Mammelah
and
Lucius
and who ever else snuck in here
when I wasn't paying attention

409 MrMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:57:51am

re: #399 coz

re: #388 MrMom


coz, Kenneth, storemanager...all the usual suspects. :^)

coz -suspect?

I didn't do it you didn't see me do it you can't prove anything...

: )

If you had said...'I didn't do it and besides, it was justified' you could get a job with CAIR. What says you?

410 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:57:53am

re: #371 Kenneth

Hollywood anti-American propaganda machine kicks into high gear.

Of course. Has anyone heard of the new anti-war crime drama on Spike TV "Kill Point"? Starring John Leguzamo & Mark Walhberg's lesser talented brother, it focuses on Iraq War veterans so screwed up & desperate after returning home that they are forced to rob banks. And the worst part of it is that these numbnuts actually think that they're supporting the tropps with this garbage.

411 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:58:13am
412 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:58:25am
413 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:59:07am

Only a post-modernist can explain away this one:

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

414 Odinist  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:59:22am
U.S. launches program to offset carbon with trees

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Consumers who see planting trees as a way to fight global warming can now sprout them without getting out the garden tools.

The U.S. Forest Service and non-profit group the National Forest Foundation launched a Web site on Wednesday where consumers can pay a $6 to offset one metric ton of carbon dioxide, the main gas scientists link to global warming. Their donations will pay for projects like the planting of ponderosa pines in a Montana forest wiped out by a fire, or Douglas firs in an Idaho forest damaged by a tornado.

"I think people are looking for something they can actually do besides reducing their carbon footprint," Bill Possiel, NFF's president said in an interview.

The world's largest emitter of greenhouse emissions, the United States, does not regulate output of the gases. That has helped spawn a voluntary, unregulated carbon market where consumers and companies pay someone else to cut emissions elsewhere at projects, such as wind power and tree farms.

Global voluntary market trade last year hit nearly 24 million tonnes of carbon dioxide credits worth more than $90 million, according to industry watchers.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

415 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:59:29am

re: #386 christheprofessor I'm sure that's what it is my friend - maybe she just wants to discuss changes in diet or whatever.

416 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:59:36am

re: #401 storagemanager

/things have settled down and the bleeding has stopped, for now

417 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 6:59:53am

re: #388 MrMom

Good Morning!

418 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:00:01am

GA! This whole planet is Caliphilated! Well, Euroweenies are.

419 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:00:19am

re: #413 Ben Hur
Yo, ben hur!
If they use footbaths, then why do mosques smell like feet?

420 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:00:30am

And of course Boker Effen Tov from somewhere outside of Cozland.

421 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:01:09am

re: #406 ploome hineni

ploomie-it's revoltinating!

422 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:01:25am

re: #418 WriterMom


I am rapidly approaching "too pissed to post" and it's only 10:02 am

[self deleted]

423 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:01:39am

re: #419 NoSubmission

NO SUB! YUCK.

"Changer Le Topic". That's Fwench for CHANGE THE TOPIC!

424 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:01:51am

re: #379 Buck


I do. There is enough oil in the USA, Canada and Mexico for this continent to be 'energy independant'. Canada alone has more reserves than Saudi Arabia.

I call on the three governments to create a USCANMEX single trading desk to assure the people of North America that they are only using domestic product, and no funds are going to our ememies.

I would pay more for gas and oil if I knew that to be true.

I've often thought that there should be a North American alternative to OPEC, like you describe, Norway, & the UK could also be included (North Sea oil fields). Combined with an increased use of nuclear power (if it's good enough for the Fwench, it should be good enough for us) & the Oil Ticks can dry up.

425 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:02:04am

Ploome Ploome Ploome

I did?

Shhh...you weren't supposed to tell anybody

426 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:02:13am

re: #407 NoSubmission Good morning to you No Sub! It's a fine day in the neighborhood here, how's by you?

427 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:02:28am

re: #419 NoSubmission

re: #413 Ben Hur
Yo, ben hur!
If they use footbaths, then why do mosques smell like feet?

LOL !

Stan loves him some stink.

428 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:02:52am

re: #422 BabbaZee

BabbaZee-the only reason I can post 'em is because I have the SECRET ANTIDOTE today...LIZARD LUNCH~ Bwahahhahahaah! Plus, I gotta mail out Irish Rose's 4Millionth Comment Israeli chocolates. A busy, busy day ahead...

429 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:04:01am

re: #423 WriterMom
LOL!
Sorry, darlin', Babbazee already ran with it.
:P

430 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:04:32am
431 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:04:40am

Mornin' Lizard Nation...

432 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:04:48am

Teenager, students jailed for having extremist material

The case comes amid concern at the extent of radicalisation of young British-born Muslims following the 2005 suicide attacks on London's public transport system by four "home-grown" bombers that killed them and 52 others.

Because the extent of radicalisation of young British born Muslims didn't concern anyone following the suicide attacks at Mike's Place in TA.

433 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:05:14am

re: #426 realwest
Hi real! Great here. It's another beautiful day.
How's things by you?

434 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:05:18am

Writermom and Ploome,

I wrote something on Islamic education to school children via the Alliance of Civilizations and noe other than the New York Times here.

435 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:05:59am

noe=none

436 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:06:53am

re: #428 WriterMom

[sigh]

There just ain't enough ganja in this world sometimes to quell the outrage of my spleen!


Now is the summer of my disconspleenment.

lol!

437 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:07:18am

How long until they start referring to him as a "Christian Terrorist"

438 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:07:45am

Covered Veal?

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

''Did other inmates start masturbating because of Mr. Alexander?'' McHugh asked Veal. ``Did you call a SWAT team?''

''I wish I had,'' Veal answered.

439 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:07:46am

re: #434 coz


the Alliance of Civilizations
is the Stealth Caliphate.

440 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:07:50am
441 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:09:03am

re: #410 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Morning to you my friend. Fox News had Former Senator Dole and Donna Shalala *spit* on and they were both saying that they were the new co-chairs of a group (possibly volunteer, probably governmental now that Bush has had his ass blistered for this) to look into LONG TERM health care for our Vets. Both seperately acknowldeged that VA Acute care is possibly the best in the World, but aftet Acute Care, VA is possibly the worst in the world and they're charged with making any and all change (or recommended changes) to the VA healthcare system to remedy that situation. It was a VERY good piece, something Mr. Dole has personal experience with and I just wish I'd been up early enough to hear the entire piece.

442 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:09:35am

re: #418 WriterMom

GA! This whole planet is Caliphilated! Well, Euroweenies are.


Interesting photo from your link.

Also this, I hope it is true... but time will tell.
Radical Islam finds US 'sterile ground'
Home-grown terror cells are largely missing in action, a contrast to Europe's situation.

443 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:09:54am

Why Israel Must Now Move from

Concessions-Based Diplomacy to Rights-Based Diplomacy

Dan Diker

(Bear with me, there is no link)

Israel faces a painful paradox. Its generous territorial concessions climaxing in the 2005 Gaza withdrawal have not resulted in greater international support or sympathy, but rather a further deterioration in its international standing. Indeed, the very legitimacy of the Jewish state continues to be questioned in international circles including the West.

Israel unilaterally withdrew its forces from southern Lebanon and the Gaza Strip expecting both peace and broad international understanding in the event that these areas would be used to attack Israel in the future. However, the condemnations of Israel only seem to be worsening. On May 15, 2007, Amnesty International condemned Israel for "war crimes" in its previous summer's defensive war against Hizbullah. Britain's University and College Union (UCU), the largest academic organization in the United Kingdom, accused Israel of crimes against humanity and apartheid.

Ironically, mounting criticism of Israel has occurred as Israeli civilians have come under repeated attack from Kassam rockets launched from the post-withdrawal Gaza Strip. The concern in Israel over ever-sharpening anti-Israel sentiment even brought the liberal daily Ha'aretz to conclude in its lead editorial of May 27, 2007, that "Britain has become the battlefield in Israel's fight for existence as a Jewish state, and . . . the anti-Zionist winds blowing in Europe strengthen the position [there] that the birth of the Jewish state was a mistake."

For most of the period from 1993 to 2000, Israel's overall diplomatic strategy focused on helping the Palestinians achieve their demands for what Arafat and Palestinian spokesmen had always termed their "legitimate rights," hoping this would result in peace and security for Israelis. Once Israel dropped its past reliance on a diplomacy based on its own rights and adopted a new concessions-based diplomacy instead, its spokesmen essentially acquiesced to the Palestinian historical narrative. The Israelis offered no alternative perspective.

444 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:10:04am

re: #439 BabbaZee

re: #434 coz


the Alliance of Civilizations
is the Stealth Caliphate.

And how!
/wink and a nod

445 vxbush  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:10:17am

Morning, everyone. The caffeine is flowing, the chocolate will be turned into scrumptious desserts tonight, and I can't wait for today to be over.

I think the insanity level of the world should be measured, as witnessed by CAIR's attacks on Guliani, Olmert's funding of Hamas, and the impeachment jitters in the far left. The question is: What is the proper unit of measurement of insanity?

That is today's question.

446 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:10:22am

re: #196 3 wood

Good Morning Lizards.

This may be the ultimate in excuse making, as well as academic double-speak.

Obesity 'contagious', experts say


Having a friend, sibling or spouse who is overweight raises a person's risk of being obese too, US researchers say.
They said data on more than 12,000 people suggested the risk was increased by 57% if a friend was obese, by 40% if a sibling was and 37% if a spouse was. They argued this showed social factors, such as the body sizes of other people, were important in developing obesity.

Oh my, where do you start with disecting this stupidity?

First, what somebody else shoves down their piehole has no imapct on what, how much I choose to consume.

Second, there is something called exercise. What somebody else eats has no impact on the amount of exercise I choose to do.

Third, being around somebody who is obese ruins my appitite. The top 3 turnoffs I can think of for eating or libido are:

a.) a picture of the Code Pink skanks with their tops off;

b.) any picture of Momma Moonbat (the skank part is assumed by definition);

c.) Being around an obese person, especially if he/she has on tight clothes/cottage cheese thighs hanging out of shorts.

How about this instead, maybe really fat people tend to hang around with each other so they don't feel so bad about themselves by comparison?

Listen to this academic double-speak later in the article:

Author Professor Nicholas Christakis said: "It's not that obese or non-obese people simply find other similar people to hang out with.

"Rather, there is a direct, causal relationship. What appears to be happening is that a person becoming obese most likely causes a change of norms about what counts as an appropriate body size.

"People come to think that it is OK to be bigger since those around them are bigger, and this sensibility spreads."

So in other words, obese people find similar people to hang out with so they can feel okay with their being so fat. You just contradicted yourself, Einstien.

This kind of stupidity is why I don't attend faculty meetings anymore, imagine 4 hours of listening to crap like this.

Not only that, but friends like doing similar things (sooprise sooprise). Athletic people like hanging around other athletic people and do athletic things. Sedentary people gravitate toward sedentary activities and to friends who also like sedentary activities.

Runners hang with runners, beer drinkers hang with beer drinkers. Like you, I am surprised it took a scientist to figure that out.

447 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:10:27am

The violent takeover of the Gaza Strip by Iranian-backed Hamas and the group's ongoing Kassam-rocket assaults against southern Israel present a painful paradox for the Jewish state. Israel's generous territorial concessions climaxing in the 2005 Gaza withdrawal have not resulted in either greater security for Israelis or international sympathy for Israel. In fact, the opposite appears to be true. While Israel continues to absorb attacks from Hamas in Gaza and braces for another possible confrontation with Hizbullah in southern Lebanon and possibly with Syria, the very legitimacy of the Jewish state continues to be questioned in international circles including the West.

In May 2007, Britain's largest academic union voted to initiate a boycott against all cooperation with Israeli academic institutions. South Africa's largest trade union also called for a full trade boycott and a break in diplomatic relations.1 The widespread delegitimization of the Jewish state, particularly following fifteen years of Israeli territorial concessions, suggests that Israel should fundamentally reassess its diplomatic strategy.

Government leaders and diplomats would be advised to adopt a more aggressive diplomatic stance based on Israel's longstanding international legal and historical rights to a sovereign state in its own homeland with a united Jerusalem as its capital.2 Moreover, in 2007, some eighty-five years after the League of Nations established the right of the Jewish people to reconstitute their Jewish homeland throughout the territory west of the Jordan River, fifty-nine years after the founding of the State of Israel established its incontrovertible right to defend against encroachments on its sovereignty, and forty years after UN Security Council Resolution 242 affirmed Israel's legal rights to secure borders, the State of Israel should reassert its sovereign rights to secure boundaries in the West Bank opposite Palestinian demands for a state in Gaza, the entire West Bank, and Jerusalem.

Generous Israeli concessions have, if inadvertently, reinforced the charges by some that Israel not only lacks legal rights to the disputed territories of Gaza and the West Bank, but that Israel's very legitimacy is inextricably linked to further territorial concessions. Therefore, Israel should now recalibrate the moral force of its rightful claims that today have been all but lost to the Palestinians in the international court of public opinion.

448 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:11:22am

re: #442 NoSubmission

don't know if it is related, but I'm allowed to have a firearm here to shoot someone who is trying to kill me.

Also, we have low unemployment, and a pretty decent standard of living.

Much better than they may have else where.

450 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:11:42am

The Failure of the "Concessions-Based Paradigm"

The tepid international response to continuing, Iranian-backed, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket attacks on southern Israel points to an uncomfortable conclusion. Israel's far-reaching diplomatic concessions to its Arab and Palestinian neighbors - full withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005, the offer of nearly 95 percent of the West Bank at Camp David in 2000, continuous territorial withdrawals during the Oslo process from 1993 to 2000, and the IDF's unilateral withdrawal from southern Lebanon in May 2000 - have failed to generate security for Israelis, diplomatic progress with Palestinian and Arab neighbors, or greater international support for Israel's diplomatic positions.

Following the Hamas takeover of Gaza in June 2007, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered Palestinian Chairman Mahmoud Abbas various concessions including at least $600 million in withheld tax revenues.3 Several months earlier, Olmert accepted the Saudi-inspired Arab League peace plan as a basis for negotiation despite its non-negotiable demand of full Israeli withdrawal to the 1949 armistice lines and the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel. These were two red lines that had prevented former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon from discussing the plan when it was first proposed in 2002.

Transportation Minister Shaul Mofaz confirmed on June 9, 2007, that Olmert had passed secret messages to Syrian President Bashar Assad via a third party offering Syria a full Israeli withdrawal from the Golan Heights in exchange for a peace agreement.4 Olmert was quoted by an adviser as saying in a closed-door meeting that,"My duty as prime minister is to examine [the negotiations option] even if intelligence evaluations say it's a deception and even when Western and other leaders warn me."5

Unfortunately, recent experience shows that Israeli diplomatic gestures and territorial generosity have backfired. Since Israel's unilateral Gaza withdrawal and particularly following last summer's war with Hizbullah in Lebanon, Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza have increased exponentially6 despite Sharon's statement on the eve of the 2005 pullout that removing the IDF was intended to "reduce terror as much as possible, and grant Israeli citizens the maximum level of security."7 Similarly, Israel's unilateral withdrawal from southern Lebanon in May 2000 failed to end hostilities with Iranian proxy Hizbullah. Instead, it fueled war preparations that resulted in Hizbullah firing more than 4,200 rockets that paralyzed Israel's northern cities during the Second Lebanon War.8

Israeli land concessions and IDF pullbacks in Gaza and the West Bank following the 1993 Oslo accords resulted in scores of Palestinian suicide bombings in Israeli cities during the 1990s. Yasser Arafat's rejection of Israel's unprecedented territorial offers at Camp David in 2000 resulted in a similarly unprecedented terror campaign known as the Second Palestinian Intifada. Israel suffered no fewer than 26,000 terror attacks, nearly 1,100 Israeli civilians killed, and more than 6,000 wounded from 2000 to 2005.9

451 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:11:58am
452 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:12:18am

re: #410 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sounds like the "we're creating serial killers" meme the leftist media has been pushing lately. "Cause ya know, Timothy McVey was a vet and he turned into a mass murderer... therefore..." It fits the leftist fixation that this Bushitler war is so evil and the US troops, however dopped up on Haliburtan supplied food with secret mind control drugs added, some small moral kernal (ie liberalism) must be driving them crazy so no wonder they act out like this. The meme feels so good it just has to be true!

453 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:12:43am

re: #431 {loppyd} Morning good looking! How are you doing this fine morning?

454 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:13:04am

re: #445 vxbush

What is the proper unit of measurement of insanity?

Dhimmidolts?

455 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:13:18am

re: #451 WriterMom

OMG GAAA

Moral Equivalance ALERT ALERT!

Jihad Just Means Peaceful Nice Struggle, Christians and Jews Have Jihad, Too.


I think I'm having an inner jihad this very minute. I feel a bit of indigestion. :)

456 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:13:18am

So now we really know who Scott Thomas is...

Can this guy back up any of his stories? Look out Scott it's going to get REALLY hot in the kitchen.

457 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:13:25am

The Global Diplomatic Intifada against Israel's Legitimacy

Israel's policy of generous territorial compromise not only failed to improve its security but also did nothing to alleviate - and may well have contributed to - the growing delegitimization of Israel in the West. For example, every year Israel was hammered in the UN General Assembly with the adoption of about twenty anti-Israel resolutions that undermined Israel's most fundamental diplomatic claims. It was expected that with the signing of the Declaration of Principles (DOP), the first of the Oslo agreements on September 13, 1993, Israel's international standing would vastly improve and the anti-Israel campaigns in the General Assembly would finally come to an end. Yet exactly three months and one day after the DOP was signed, the General Assembly resumed its ritual adoption of a slew of anti-Israel resolutions. The unprecedented concessions Israel offered in the DOP did nothing to affect UN voting patterns against the Jewish state.10

More recently, on May 15, 2007, Amnesty International condemned Israel for "war crimes" in its previous summer's defensive war against Hizbullah. Amnesty's latest annual report essentially equated Israel's defensive actions with Hizbullah's unprovoked attacks.11 On May 30, 2007, Britain's University and College Union (UCU), the largest academic organization in the United Kingdom, accused Israel of crimes against humanity and apartheid, and voted to consider boycotting all academic cooperation with Israeli academic bodies. The UCU also called for full European cooperation in the boycott.12 The British Union of Architects and Civil Service Union have since called to boycott Israel, while Britain's National Union of Journalists' embargo remains in effect.

On May 30, 2007, South Africa's largest trade union also demanded a full government boycott of Israeli products and a cessation of Pretoria's diplomatic relations with Jerusalem.13 The president of the Congress of South African Trade Unions, Willy Madisha, called for the diplomatic and trade embargo in response to "Israel's apartheid policies, occupation of Arab land, violation of UN resolutions, and its policy of targeting Hamas leaders."14

The concern in Israel over ever-sharpening anti-Israel sentiment even brought the liberal daily Ha'aretz to conclude in its lead editorial of May 27, 2007, that "Britain has become the battlefield in Israel's fight for existence as a Jewish state, and . . . the anti-Zionist winds blowing in Europe strengthen the position [there] that the birth of the Jewish state was a mistake."15

458 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:13:39am
#410 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey 7/26/2007 6:57:53 am PDT reply quote

re: #371 Kenneth

Hollywood anti-American propaganda machine kicks into high gear.

Of course. Has anyone heard of the new anti-war crime drama on Spike TV "Kill Point"? Starring John Leguzamo & Mark Walhberg's lesser talented brother, it focuses on Iraq War veterans so screwed up & desperate after returning home that they are forced to rob banks. And the worst part of it is that these numbnuts actually think that they're supporting the tropps with this garbage.

I watched the premier show of the series not knowing what the story line was. As soon as the tirade about the war started, I switched to another channel and went looking for an email address for SPIKE TV where I could express my displeasure...never found one and won't watch SPIKE shows now.

459 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:13:46am

re: #428 WriterMom

I hope Irish Rose doesn't live where the temp is as high as it is here! ): Awww...she'd have a nice drink of chocolate at least...

460 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:13:47am

re: #451 WriterMom

Susan Brooks Dhimmithwaite

461 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:14:02am

Caption me!

462 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:14:16am

Israel's legitimacy problem is not limited to Europe. Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter accused Israel of "even worse instances of apartheid than we witnessed in South Africa" in his 2006 book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.16 It may not have been a coincidence that Carter wrote a book about the State of Israel and entitled it Palestine. He may well have wanted to downplay Israel and instead reenergize the importance of the British Mandate of Palestine that preceded it, or perhaps to reassign Israel's international legitimacy as a state to the Palestinian Authority.17

Britain may be for the moment the epicenter of European anti-Israel indictment. However, demonization of Israel has swelled in Western circles for the past seven years since the failed Camp David peace summit in 2000 and the Palestinian Authority's ensuing war of terror against Israeli cities. The unprecedented concessions former Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered PA leader Yasser Arafat - Gaza, nearly the entire West Bank, and most of Jerusalem's historic Old City - did little to upgrade Israel's diplomatic profile abroad. Indeed, in 2002, Nobel laureate Jose Saramago compared Israel's policies toward the Palestinians to those of Nazi Germany.18

In 2003, American historian Tony Judt called Israel "anachronistic" and recommended its replacement with a binational state instead.19 Shortly before Israel's Gaza withdrawal in September 2005, London Mayor Ken Livingstone labeled Prime Minister Sharon a "terrorist" and "war criminal" and accused Israel of "ethnic cleansing."20 A 2005 German poll undertaken by the University of Bielefeld revealed that 68 percent of those surveyed believed that Israel was waging a "war of extermination" against the Palestinian people.21

Former Canadian Justice Minister Irwin Cotler noted that Israel had been cast as the "Antichrist" and "the world's meta-human rights violator" at the 2001 UN-sponsored World Conference against Racism in Durban, South Africa.22 It seems clear, therefore, as Prof. Alvin Rosenfeld has pointed out, that the argument advanced by Israel's harshest critics is no longer about its 1967 "occupation" of the West Bank and Gaza but about 1948 and the alleged "crime" or "original sin" of its very founding.23

463 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:14:29am

re: #433 NoSubmission Not bad - seems like the second epidural has resolved about 80-09 per cent of my pain! (still has fingers crossed though, I have a LOT of things to catch up on from the last four months)!

464 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:14:59am

re: #453{ realwest}

Hanging in there...summer cold manifested into summer bug.
The heat isn't helping. :(

How's by you?

465 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:15:20am

Why Did Israeli Diplomatic Concessions Boomerang in International Circles?

Paradoxically, Israel's readiness to part with territories for peace mirrors the perception of many in the West, particularly in Europe, that the Jewish state is an international outlaw that is merely giving back lands over which it has no claims to the Palestinians, who are seen by many as the sole and rightful displaced owners of "Palestine" on both sides of the 1967 Green Line. Moreover, Israel has inadvertently positioned itself as the only member of the international state system whose very legitimacy is perceived as being justified only as a function of its readiness to make additional territorial concessions to the Palestinian Authority.24

But even today this concessions-based strategy is patently counterproductive. As already demonstrated, it did not help improve Israel's international status and today it continues to undermine Israel's position. With the best of intentions, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni published an op-ed in the London-based Arabic daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat on June 18, 2007, that detailed her support for the creation of a Palestinian state as well as Israel's readiness "to take painful steps to advance this goal." She explained that this would require "additional territorial withdrawal."25 To her credit, Livni reminded readers that UN Security Council Resolution 242 did not require a full Israeli withdrawal, but this single reference was overshadowed by her effort to reach out to the Palestinian narrative.

A sample of the talkbacks to her article in Arabic showed no appreciation for the depth of the concessions she offered. One reader said Israel must admit to the crime of stealing a land from a people. Another demanded a full "right of return" for the Palestinians. A third talkback preferred to focus on Deir Yassin and Muhammad Dura. Perhaps Livni's offer of concessions, without sufficient corresponding reference to Israeli rights, only reinforced in the minds of Arab readers that their embrace of the Palestinian narrative had been right all along, causing more rage despite Livni's conciliatory tone.

Another sharp illustration of the limits of concessions-based diplomacy was revealed in the June 6, 2007, "dueling" op-eds by Prime Minister Olmert and Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh that appeared in an issue of The Guardian commemorating the fortieth anniversary of the 1967 war. In his article, Olmert neglected to mention Israel's territorial rights and claims opposite the Palestinians. He also did not deny Palestinian rights and claims. Instead, Olmert lamented the negative Palestinian response to Israel's ongoing concessions.

466 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:15:42am

re: #462 Ben Hur


Aaah, good ol Jimmah. Nothing like his love of Israel. Can they revoke visas or ban ex-presidents and senile nutcases from countries? All his banter kind of makes me wish he were invited to watch the parade with Anwar Sedat.

467 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:15:53am

realwest
Here ya' go, sweetie.

Morning, {all y'all}!

468 vxbush  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:15:54am

re: #454 christheprofessor

re: #445 vxbush

What is the proper unit of measurement of insanity?

Dhimmidolts?

Not bad, not bad...I think we need a few more suggestions, though.

469 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:16:13am

re: #461 NoSubmission

Oh ripe melon of desire, me and you , later, behind our sacred mountain of combustible tires...
produce akbar!

470 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:16:15am

re: #461 NoSubmission

Hmmm...sniff, sniff...same size as Mrs. Hamas-but different smell!

471 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:16:25am

He wrote, "Nearly two years ago, Israel withdrew its troops and civilians from Gaza, with no preconditions. Last year my Kadima party came to power on an agenda promising further withdrawals. In the face of concessions that have threatened our own domestic consensus, the constant refrain has been the Palestinian refusal to end its violent attacks on our citizens."26 Nevertheless, Olmert capped his article by reiterating that "Israel is prepared to make painful concessions to pay the price for a lasting and just peace that will allow the people of the Middle East to live in dignity and security."27

In contrast, Haniyeh's article delegitimized Israel and reasserted Palestinian claims, averring that in 1967 Israel "seized all that remained of Palestine and completed the process of ethnic cleansing that started in Haniyeh continued, "In reality, it is Israel, through the prosecution of colonial war, that has threatened the Palestinians' right to live in their land.. My people will not repeat the mistakes of 1948. They will remain rooted in their land, whatever the price, and pursue their legitimate right to resist the occupation."28

The negative result of this type of Israeli diplomacy is twofold. First, by neglecting to make an affirmative case for Israeli rights while Palestinians press for their rights, Israel has created a world stage in which the only affirmative case ever made is in opposition to Israel, and Israel's diplomats are always on the defensive. Second, by emphasizing that Israeli concessions are the key to peace, Israel creates and reinforces the impression that the demonstrable lack of peace is Israel's fault and can be rectified only by further Israeli concessions.

Over the past two decades, the Palestinians have succeeded in popularizing the narrative that they were the indigenous population of British Mandatory Palestine and that the Jews arrived later as part of a colonial-settler enterprise supported by European imperialism. It was to promote this version of history that Arafat and much of his Fatah leadership went so far, at Camp David in 2000, as to deny that the biblical Temple of Solomon was ever erected in Jerusalem. Palestinian historical revisionism denies the overwhelming archeological evidence of ancient Jewish life in Jerusalem. No less important is the more recent fact that a Jewish majority in Jerusalem already existed in 1863 - well before the arrival of the British Empire and the era of European military supremacy in the Middle East.29 Indeed, waves of Jewish immigrants came to Palestine in the mid-twentieth century in defiance of British policy. But Israel rarely makes such counterarguments to the Palestinian political narrative.

472 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:16:42am

re: #460 BabbaZee

Word.

473 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:16:45am

re: #468 vxbush


Could you measure them in negative IQ points? or on a stupidity/naievety scale?

474 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:17:15am

Breakfast with terrorists.

475 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:17:30am

re: #438 Ben Hur Hey Ben! From your link:

"The case drew snickers in the courtroom, especially during jury selection, when prospective jurors were quizzed about their own habits.

Defense attorney Kathleen McHugh faced 17 prospective jurors and asked point-blank who among them had never done that particular sex act.

No hands went up."

Liars, liars pants on fire! LOL!

476 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:17:37am

Hey.. that's not a bomb.. it's a CAIR package!

477 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:17:40am

Neglecting to Reassert Israel's Rights in Gaza before Disengagement

That Israel was ill-equipped to defend its own legal rights became abundantly clear during its unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005. At that time, Israel evacuated both its military and civilian presence from the area without first establishing a moral symmetry of claims opposite the Palestinians. Jewish residents had lived in Gaza for centuries, and their legal right to do so under modern international law had been established for four generations. Israel could have asserted its territorial rights under the League of Nations Mandate, a legally binding treaty that even the International Court of Justice has acknowledged constitutes a legal and continuing sacred trust.30 Moreover, the foundational document of the Arab-Israeli peace process for the past forty years - UN Security Council Resolution 242 of November 1967 - reinforces Israel's right to continue to hold disputed territories pending a satisfactory agreement ensuring Israel's secure borders. Even Egypt, whose nineteen-year military occupation of Gaza came to an end in 1967, agreed to peace with Israel in 1978 without any assertion of Egyptian claims or any limitations on Israel's rights to Gaza. Moreover, the 1993 Oslo accords with the PLO did not prejudice Israel's legal rights to settlement in Gaza, notwithstanding any future political compromise.

True, Sharon did receive a presidential-letter commitment from President George W. Bush on April 14, 2004, affirming Israel's rights to defensible borders in the West Bank as a quid pro quo for leaving Gaza.31 However, even Bush's written commitment to Sharon did not compensate for Israel's failure to emphasize to the international community that Israel was leaving territories over which it had legal claims.32

The resulting European reaction could have been foreseen. Israel's concession of Gaza has been minimized internationally as organizations such as the United Nations and Amnesty International continue to refer to the post-withdrawal Gaza Strip as "occupied territory."33 At the same time, Israel's unilateral pullout has been commonly viewed in international circles as demonstrating the need for yet further Israeli concessions. EU foreign policy chief and then-Spanish Foreign Minister Javier Solana warned in 2004 that the European Union would not support the Gaza disengagement if it did not lead to a full Israeli pullout from the West Bank. Solana called that scenario "nightmarish."34

Europe's expectation of future Israeli withdrawals reflects the degree to which Israel's unconditional unilateral pullout in Gaza would undermine its territorial rights in the West Bank. This was the central reason that Israel's former Deputy Chief of Staff and National Security Council Head Maj.-Gen. Uzi Dayan had publicly opposed full withdrawal from Gaza. He noted on June 4, 2007, that Gaza established an "immoral and dangerous diplomatic precedent for the West Bank."35

478 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:18:01am

re: #472 WriterMom

re: #460 BabbaZee

Word.

479 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:18:06am

Pass the Tums.

480 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:18:06am

re: #461 NoSubmission

"I knew I should've gone with the iPhone."

481 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:18:11am

re: #379 Buck

There is enough oil in the USA, Canada and Mexico for this continent to be 'energy independant'.

Uh, no, there's not. Unless you're adding tar sands and oil shales, which is a diferrent matter with completely different technological/environmental/cost challenges. Mexican and Canadian oil exports together do not equal US oil imports. And Mexico is damned-near critically short of natural gas. The US imports all the natural gas Canada can export, and is increasing imports from other countries.

Sorry, try again.

482 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:19:02am

re: #343 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Good morning.

Very nice wave is coming off Africa later today or early tomorrow. Potentially, it would hit Florida August 9th. +/- about 1.5 days


6Z GFS model says that wave becomes the second coming of Hurricane Hugo, except it will be called Huricane Chantal, and hits Charleston, SC late on August 10th.

483 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:19:05am

Oslo's Shift Away from Rights-Based Diplomacy

Much of Israel's current diplomatic posture was established with the 1993 Oslo accords. The Oslo process represented a diplomatic paradigm shift for Israel away from "rights-based" diplomacy to "concession-driven" diplomacy.36 The White House signing ceremony in September 1993 was illustrative. Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin deemphasized Israel's territorial rights and instead focused on its desire to end its violent conflict with the Palestinians, declaring, "Enough of blood and tears. We have come to try and put an end to the hostilities, so that our children, our children's children, will no longer experience the painful cost of war, violence and terror."37 His words were poetic and well-meaning, but they lacked any reference to Israel's historical rights and claims.

True, at the 1995 Knesset vote to approve the Oslo II agreement, Rabin did insist on Israel's territorial rights in vital areas for its future survival including the Jordan Valley, other strategic parts of the West Bank, and a united Jerusalem.38 But for most of the period from 1993 to 2000, Israel's overall diplomatic strategy focused on helping the Palestinians achieve their demands for what Arafat and Palestinian spokesmen had always termed their "legitimate rights," hoping this would result in peace and security for Israelis. Though well-intentioned, this approach undercut Israel's longstanding diplomatic policy of asserting both Jewish historical rights to Israel and unconditional demands for security.

David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, had as a rule infused major public addresses with historical references. He asserted to the 1937 British Peel Commission, "I say on behalf of the Jews that the Bible is our mandate, the Bible that was written by us, in our language, in Hebrew, in this very country."39 He reminded the Knesset in 1949: "Our ties today with Jerusalem are no less deep than those which existed in the days of Nebuchadnezzar and Titus Flavius.our fighting youth knew how to sacrifice itself for our holy capital no less than did our forefathers in the days of the First and Second Temples."40 A year later Abba Eban would emphasize this theme at the UN Trusteeship Council: "A devotion to the Holy City has been a constant theme of our people for three thousand years."41

At the 1991 Madrid Peace Conference, Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir told the opening session attended by nearly all the region's Arab leaders, "We are the only people who have lived in the Land of Israel without interruption for nearly 4,000 years; we are the only people, except for a short Crusader kingdom, who have had an independent sovereignty in this land; we are the only people for whom Jerusalem has been a capital; we are the only people whose sacred places are only in the Land of Israel."42

484 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:19:07am

Oh boy, I almost forgot some useless bit o trivia for your Thursday:

In 1897, Austrian businessman Emil Jellinek, traveled from his home in Nice, France to purchase a car from the Daimler factory in Cannstatt, Germany. On his return to the French Riviera, his sporting Daimler Phoenix caused such a sensation that he decided to enter it into a local touring competition, under the name of "Mercedes" after his favourite 9 year old daughter. Realising the business potential for the new car, he not only placed an order for 36 more, but also secured the franchise for selling them in several countries. Gottlieb Daimler also agreed to having them sold under the name of "Mercedes."

The Mercedes trade name was registered after Daimler's death in 1900 and the 3-pointed star became the trade mark. Daimler had once drawn the emblem on a postcard to his wife, the star symbolising the growth of the business into transport on land, sea and air.

For Karl Benz, a name for his automobile was simple: he enclosed his name in a cogwheel to exemplify the solidness of his engineering works at Mannheim. The cogwheel later became a laurel wreath.

After the First World War the Daimler and Benz companies worked closer together, generally advertising on the same posters. They amalgamated in 1926, combining the laurel wreath and 3-pointed star as their trade mark.

Interestingly, although Gottlieb Daimler and Karl Benz were two of the major pioneers in the automotive industry, they probably never met, even though they lived only 100km (60 miles) from each other in Germany. Daimler passed away in 1900. Daimler-Benz amalgamated in 1926.

485 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:19:13am

re: #476 baconeatingkaffir

AHAHHAHAAAaaa

good one

486 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:19:21am

But Israeli diplomats at Oslo advanced a different notion: that Israeli territorial concessions to the newly formed Palestinian Authority obviated the need to promote Israel's rights and explain its diplomatic positions.43 Foreign Minister Shimon Peres declared at the time that good policy was good public diplomacy.44 Once Israel dropped its past reliance on rights-based diplomacy and adopted a new concessions-based diplomacy instead, its spokesmen essentially acquiesced to the Palestinian historical narrative. The Israelis offered no alternative perspective. Thus Palestinian officials would repeatedly charge Israel with being a "foreign occupier" and, rather than contest that claim, some Israeli diplomats would counter by saying that Israel wanted to "end the occupation" but lacked a reliable peace partner. Even former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan echoed the Palestinian charge publicly on a number of occasions including in his last major UN address in February 2007.45

487 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:19:46am

Reasserting Israel's Legitimacy and Rights to Sovereignty

Israel has always expressed its readiness for territorial compromise and this principle will continue to play a role in future diplomatic processes. However, in view of the fundamental doubts expressed regarding Israel's legitimacy in many international circles, Israeli government leaders and diplomats would be well advised to reiterate to their foreign counterparts the following historical and legal principles of Israel's rights-based diplomacy.

488 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:19:51am

STUPID FUCKING IDIOT OLMERT AND COMPANY.

I feel the need to scream.

489 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:20:10am

re: #469 BabbaZee

Produce akbar!

#470 WriterMom

Mrs. Hamas


LOL!

490 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:20:20am

re: #451 WriterMom

It's much easier to get through the day if you click your ruby slippers, cover your eyes with your fingers, and put your thumbs in your ears.

She seems to have this technique mastered.

491 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:20:25am

Historical Context

The modern State of Israel is not a child of European colonialism. Rather, it is the result of Ottoman decolonialization and one of the first fruits of the international community's commitment to self-determination in the post-World War I era. The State of Israel also is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish nation and the third Jewish commonwealth to arise in the Land of Israel over the past three thousand years. In fact, the Jewish people is the only nation that has ever established an independent homeland in the Land of Israel with Jerusalem as its capital.

Since the destruction of Jerusalem's First Jewish Temple by the Babylonians in 586 BCE and the Second Jewish Temple by the Romans in 70 CE, the Jewish people maintained an unbroken bond with the Land of Israel. A Jewish rebellion in 132 CE became the first to destroy a Roman legion, the high Jewish court (Sanhedrin) remained a preeminent authority in Israel for centuries, and the Jews of the Land of Israel continued to make such important contributions to Jewish life as the composition of the Sabbath-evening prayer services in the sixteenth century. Jewish communities, though limited in size, remained in ancient Israel even after the Roman invaders renamed the land Palestina, as preeminent Middle East scholar Bernard Lewis has noted, so as to obliterate the memory of Jewish nationhood.46 At the same time, according to Lewis, "from the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries; it was a group of provincial subdivisions, by no means always the same, within a larger entity."47

Despite Jerusalem's destruction, Jewish religious scholars and political leaders from across the globe still came to Israel and established and maintained vibrant communities in other Jewish holy cities such as Hebron, Tiberias, and Safed.

For the vast majority of exiled Jews over the past two thousand years until the reestablishment of the third Jewish nation-state in 1948, the Jewish yearning and historical commitment to return to its ancient homeland and capital in Jerusalem played a central role in Jewish life throughout the world. It was expressed in thrice-daily Jewish prayer and blessings, and at Jewish holidays - particularly the end of the Passover Seder and the Yom Kippur service. The centrality of Zion and Jerusalem has also played a key role in Jewish lifecycle events such as weddings and funerals.

492 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:20:35am

re: #485 BabbaZee

I still think CAIR stands for


Citizens
Against
Islamist
Retards

493 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:20:46am

re: #474 NoSubmission

Breakfast with terrorists.

Did they all have a big bowl of this?

494 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:21:10am

The Modern Legal Context of Israel's Rights to Sovereignty

It was the sui generis Jewish historical bond with Jerusalem and Israel that led the League of Nations and then the United Nations during the last century to recognize the Jewish people's legal right to "reconstitute its national home in that country."48 In other words, the international community formally recognized a preexisting right to Jewish sovereignty in Western-mandated Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. It was Winston Churchill who noted in 1922 that "the Jews are in Palestine by right, not sufferance."49 The High Commissioner for Palestine reiterated in his first report to the British government in 1925 the basis of international guarantees for a Jewish state. He noted:

The Balfour Declaration was endorsed at the time by several of the Allied Governments. It was reaffirmed by the conference of the Principal Allied powers at San Remo in 1920. It was subsequently endorsed by unanimous resolutions by both houses of the Congress of the United States; it was embodied in the Mandate for Palestine approved by the League of Nations in 1922; it was declared in a formal statement of policy issued by the Colonial Secretary in the same year, "not to be susceptible of change"; and it has been the guiding principle in their direction of the affairs of Palestine of four successive British Governments. The policy was fixed and internationally guaranteed.50

Although the League of Nations was terminated in the wake of World War II in 1946, the mandate was not, and could not legally be abridged. Article 80 of the UN founding charter acknowledged the continuing legal rights of mandate beneficiaries. Moreover, the International Court of Justice ruled in a series of cases concerning South Africa's mandate over South West Africa (now Namibia) that articles of mandate are binding legal treaties that continue to grant rights to their beneficiaries.51 Although Israel's neighbors continue to dispute the proper location of its borders, the Jewish state's fundamental legal rights to a sovereign independent Jewish state in former Western- mandated Palestine cannot be and have never been abrogated or revised by any overriding source of legal authority.

495 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:21:16am

re: #458 eschew_obfuscation

SPIKE sucks, way to many ads. You only see 7 mins of movie then 10 mins od ads?

496 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:21:25am

re: #480 christheprofessor

re: #461 NoSubmission

"I knew I should've gone with the iPhone."


But does it explode?

497 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:21:25am

Nothing prevents Israel from conceding its potential claims to sovereignty within the context of a peace process that brings Israel to agreed-upon secure borders. Preemptive concession of such claims, however, is unnecessary and has proved diplomatically counterproductive.

The adoption of a rights-based paradigm for Israeli diplomacy will not likely trigger an immediate improvement in the UN General Assembly's voting patterns regarding Israel. It also is unlikely that diplomats from Muslim countries will be persuaded by Israel's rightful claims. However, the international community's position toward Israel is in greater flux in the wake of the Hamas takeover of Gaza in June 2007. Israel might now begin to enjoy greater understanding in some European and Asian circles. Therefore, rights-based diplomacy can make a difference for those who might express greater sympathy for Israel's position but would first seek a firm basis in international law before offering diplomatic support.

Israel, therefore, by refusing to stand up for its rights and instead relying on the power of concessions to gain international support, undermines its own interests. That is why the failed paradigm of concessions-based diplomacy must now be replaced.

498 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:21:50am

re: #445 vxbush

What is the proper unit of measurement of insanity?

Suras.

499 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:16am

re: #436 BabbaZee

LOL...If I had a vote disconspleenment would be added to the Merriam-Webster dictionary immediately. Sounds like disconcernment only a thousand times worse.

And speaking of that, I am frankly getting tired of billionaires like Bloomberg lecturing me about the dire straits of America. I'll bet I do more to help everyday Americans than this phony. I got a suggestion for Mr. Bloomberg - why don't you put your billions were your mouth is and give 90% of it away, join the same tax structure the rest of do, then complain taxes aren't high enough while your lawyers are hiding yours, and come out and do a little heavy lifting Mikey. Say fly commercial with us, mow your lawn in the heat, and help the elderly while you're at it.

What a frickin' blowhard. I can't stand that little SOB and The Terminator ain't far behind him (another major disappointment). I swear I disdain RINOs more than any political group, including the KKKos types.

500 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:18am

re: #490 godfrey

[sigh] So true, my friend.

501 songbird  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:22am

re: #451 WriterMom

OMG GAAA

Moral Equivalance ALERT ALERT!

Jihad Just Means Peaceful Nice Struggle, Christians and Jews Have Jihad, Too.

Yeah right. The "jihad" word is being thrown around so loosely that it is being used as a term describing good and reasonable people who oppose what some moonbats believe should happen.

502 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:22am

re: #463 realwest


hi real west..are u still here by any chance?

:)

503 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:34am

re: #447 Ben Hur From your post: "Therefore, Israel should now recalibrate the artillery and rocket targets (yes, of course Israel has rockets - Olmert aside, whaddya think Israel is stupid?). moral force of its rightful claims that today have been all but lost to the Palestinians in the international court of public opinion.
Fixed that for ya!

504 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:35am

re: #498 godfrey

HAHAHAHAHHAHA~

505 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:42am

re: #424 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


The UK is just a very few years away from being an oil importer again.

506 vxbush  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:47am

re: #473 baconeatingkaffir

re: #468 vxbush

Could you measure them in negative IQ points? or on a stupidity/naievety scale?

Oh, I figure it's going to be a number that's positive or negative, depending on how bad things get. I just want to be able to say something like, "The world level of stupidity has dropped XX ___ due to the increased drumbeat for impeachment on the flimsiest of grounds."

I just want the ___ unit to be especially witty and apropos, something that reinforces just how stupid these things are and how brain dead the world is becoming.

507 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:49am

re: #456 Dustoff-507

That's the question isn't it. He was a real soldier, which means we can now track his billeting and already folks are finding what appear to be inconsistencies in his timeline, based on his blog postings before he wrote at TNR.

508 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:22:51am

re: #493 redstateredneck

Kaboom!


Too funny! They'll probably steal it and turn it into a kids' program.

509 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:23:05am

re: #495 Dustoff-507


I timed it one night when my husband was watching it
That's exactly correct

510 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:23:34am

re: #499 goodbye_natalie

I am going now to put it in the dictionary at my blog, lol

511 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:23:40am

re: #496 NoSubmission

hey there! got coffee? :)

512 MrMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:23:58am

re: #445 vxbush

I like your idea. Sort of like the Jimmuh-born misery index, but concerning terrorism and on an international scale.

Unit of measure...Ropma. Calculated as the number of innocent people murdered (ipm) less number of homicide bombers (hobos) multiplied by the number of CAIR lawsuits outstanding over any given time period.
(ipm-hobos)(CLO)/month=ROPMA

513 Syrah  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:24:01am

When a Democrat accuses Republicans of being nihilists, he is projecting. When a Democrat accuses Republicans of being Jihadist, he is proving he has no concept of what a Jihadist really is.

public.cq.com...] target="_blank">

Reid scoffed at Republicans who say they are worried about the pace of appropriations work in the Senate.

“Maybe they should have thought of that before my filing 45 cloture petitions, where they’ve rejected everything we’ve done,” Reid said. “We’re going to work through these appropriations bills as fast as we can.”

And while Democrats rebuff Republicans and their accusations of shutdown politics, the majority is throwing some brickbats of its own.

“They’ve been stalling,’’ said John W. Olver, D-Mass., chairman of the House Transportation-HUD Appropriations Subcommittee. “They are nihilists. They are jihadists.”

514 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:24:27am

When I have a paper discussing the legitimacy of the US/Australia/Canada/New Zealand/Indonesia/52 of the other Muslims states/The Hashemite Royal Family in Jordan/The Saudi Royal Famil7/And the rest of the muslim world leadership/The Falklands in British hands/ANy White person in Africa/ I'll let you know.

515 ibrodsky  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:24:34am

re: #481 Mike C.

re: #379 Buck


There is enough oil in the USA, Canada and Mexico for this continent to be 'energy independant'.

Uh, no, there's not. Unless you're adding tar sands and oil shales, which is a diferrent matter with completely different technological/environmental/cost challenges. Mexican and Canadian oil exports together do not equal US oil imports. And Mexico is damned-near critically short of natural gas. The US imports all the natural gas Canada can export, and is increasing imports from other countries.

Sorry, try again.

Actually, aren't the tar sands and oil shales now competitive given the price of oil? I've been up to northern Alberta and it's my understanding they have huge reserves.

516 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:24:36am
re: #445 vxbush

What is the proper unit of measurement of insanity?


Fatwas...the nature of each fatwa indicates how far removed from sanity the issuer is

517 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:24:48am

re: #456 Dustoff-507 Morning my friend - can you receive e-mails now?

518 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:25:14am

re: #492 baconeatingkaffir

I think CAIR stands for:
Council for
American
Infidel
Removal

519 Syrah  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:25:38am
520 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:25:52am

How can you all be posting when you're supposed to be reading my very very very long posts!?!

521 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:26:15am

School bus driver fired after alleged hate crime

The school bus driver arrested in May after he allegedly cursed and spit at Muslim children in a local fast-food restaurant has lost his job at Bay District Schools.

...

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has deemed the alleged incident, which occurred at Taco Bell on State 77 in Lynn Haven, a hate crime. According to the Bay County Sheriff’s Office, Plaisted was in the restaurant when 36-yearold Asma Sidani, wearing a traditional Muslim head scarf, entered with her two children. When she went to the counter to order, Plaisted cursed and made threatening gestures at the children, deputies reported. He also allegedly spit on one boy and shoved the other.

522 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:26:39am

re: #507 lawhawk


Just fumes me buddy. He better be able to back is "stories" cause if not he's will stuck in the motor-pool forever.

523 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:26:41am

re: #467 redstateredneck Hey thanks Red! How are ya today?

524 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:26:43am

re: #511 Angel
Hey there! Still sipping my second cup. :&)

525 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:26:49am

Producers: `Cavemen' Not Racial Metaphor

Sure it is! But it's great! My favorite commercials!

526 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:26:49am
527 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:27:12am

re: #434 coz

The Alliance of Civilizations has some charming members:

HIGH LEVEL GROUP MEMBERS
CO-CHAIRS
Prof. Federico Mayor
(Spain)
Prof. Mehmet Aydin
(Turkey)

MIDDLE EAST
H.E. Hojjatoleslam Seyyed Mohammad Khatami
(Iran)
H.H. Sheikha Mozah Bint Nasser Al Missned
(Qatar)

SOUTHERN AFRICA
Archbishop Desmond Tutu
(South Africa)

WEST EUROPE
Mr. Hubert Védrine
(France)
Ms. Karen Armstrong
(United Kingdom)

EAST EUROPE
Prof. Vitaly Naumkin
(Russian Federation)

NORTH AMERICA
Prof. John Esposito
(United States)

Rabbi Arthur Schneier
(United States)

528 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:27:15am

re: #501 songbird


The Rev. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite, is the 11th President of Chicago Theological Seminary. She has been a Professor of Theology at the seminary for 20 years and director of its graduate degree center for five years. Her area of expertise is contextual theologies of liberation, specializing in issues of violence and violation. An ordained minister of the United Church of Christ since 1974, the “On Faith” panelist is the author or editor of thirteen books and has been a translator for two translations of the Bible.

Nuff said.

529 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:27:16am

re: #517 realwest

re: #456 Dustoff-507 Morning my friend - can you receive e-mails now?


Sorry my good friend. I'm at work. )-:

Hope your doing great!

530 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:27:21am

re: #525 Ben Hur

The movie with Ringo Starr is a classic!

531 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:27:27am

re: #445 vxbush

What is the proper unit of measurement of insanity?


The number of burkas in your closet?

532 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:27:35am

re: #518 NoSubmission

That'd be it. LOL.

533 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:28:06am

re: #528 redstateredneck

Whore of Churchianty.

534 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:28:19am

re: #531 NoSubmission

What about the old jihad-siskel and ebert "We give it two bombs up"

535 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:28:20am

re: #520 Ben Hur

I read the first two and decided to stop until the thread is dead. It's interesting and I will comment in another thread because I want to read it.

If I don't bitch first in the morning, I'm not worth a flip at comprehending later.

536 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:28:29am

re: #503 realwest

hi there!

I noticed u asked bout the JOHN DOE last nite and I had already gone to bed..lol

heres a link from Jihad Watch

537 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:28:59am

re: #523 realwest

re: #467 redstateredneck Hey thanks Red! How are ya today?


Good as I can be!

538 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:28:59am

Ian Ziering 'Disappointed' at Price Is Right Rebuff

"I guess I was a little disappointed," Ziering, 43, told PEOPLE at Tuesday's The Simpsons Movie premiere in Westwood, Calif. "I was really kind of hoping that would happen."

43?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?

539 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:29:11am

This could get interesting. Maybe these guys aren't all tin-foil-hat types?

The Internal Revenue Service has lost a lawyer's challenge in front of a jury to prove a constitutional foundation for the nation's income tax, and the victorious attorney now is setting his sights higher.

From WND today...

540 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:29:13am

re: #527 Kenneth

I have a TON of stuff on this
I started to make charts connecting people, it gets too twangled to follow without scorecards
months of work, almost a year now
and I am still not ready to write about it

541 MrMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:29:20am

re: #461 NoSubmission

Caption me!


Oooohhh...a nice, tight, young melon!

542 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:29:32am

re: #527 Kenneth

Hmm...I don't think they will be coming to any Lizard Lunches in the near future...What do you think?

543 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:29:53am

re: #530 baconeatingkaffir

I saw that in the theatre!

Na na na naaa na, is still a great song!

Bach is a hotty!

544 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:30:11am

dang...cant I just link using the usual code?

Popeye help!

545 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:30:26am

re: #502 Angel I are! How are you doing this fine morining?

546 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:30:28am

re: #543 Ben Hur

The japanese guy still cracks me up. :)

547 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:30:39am

re: #538 Ben Hur

43?

GET OUT! That can't be possible.

548 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:30:42am

re: #520 Ben Hur

Dont you know no one reads long posts?

LOL

I read two of them so far

549 songbird  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:30:51am

re: #519 Syrah

Doesn't that make you mad. Some of these Dems are just getting silly.

550 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:31:24am
551 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:31:25am

re: #520 Ben Hur

Its ok, sometimes they skip over the short posts too. *grin*

552 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:31:44am

re: #456 Dustoff-507

Scott has the gall to claim to be offended that "the character people I served with" has been called into question by the critics of his "diaries"...!?!

Ok, Scott, you accuse the people you served with of attrocities, but it's the people who defend these troops who have questioned their character? Is that how honor works in your world?

553 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:31:53am

re: #527 Kenneth


I can't believe Shneier is on that list!

It's like a Sat morning cartoon.


Call in the League of Justice!

554 vxbush  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:31:55am

re: #498 godfrey

Suras.

re: #512 MrMom
I like your idea. Sort of like the Jimmuh-born misery index, but concerning terrorism and on an international scale.

Unit of measure...Ropma. Calculated as the number of innocent people murdered (ipm) less number of homicide bombers (hobos) multiplied by the number of CAIR lawsuits outstanding over any given time period.
(ipm-hobos)(CLO)/month=ROPMA

Both good ideas, but a bit more fixated on the ROPMA issue. I'm suggesting that the stupidness scale is only partly dependent on the ROPMA silliness index. The leftists, while in collusion with the jihadists (even if unwillingly), have their own brand of insanity that is pervasive in many Western societies. So I want a way to measure it.

The Ropma can be part of this general insanity index, but I still need a good name for the unit.

555 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:32:03am

Ben Hur
I love those caveman commercials!

556 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:33:18am

Kenneth,

What's the frequency?

(sorry, REM reference - Babba can you queue that one up?)

Like Babba said earlier the AOC is the stealth caliphate.

Their goal is to reolve the 'clash of civilizations' by removing 'fundamentalism' .

Their description of fundamentalism in a nut shell is anything that views islam as fundamentalist.

557 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:33:22am
558 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:33:27am
559 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:33:32am

Me thinks this POS will not be winning any Mother of the Year awards.

Mom, sons busted for drug sales

A modern-day Ma Barker was arraigned alongside her two sons yesterday for running what cops called a massive drug ring out of her apartment in a Charlestown housing project that was guarded by a vicious pit bull and protected with a machine gun recovered in the house, police and prosecutors said.

560 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:33:43am

Mongers.

No one loves war more than the MSM and Hollywood.

561 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:34:28am

My only critique of the current Israeli 'diplomatic process' regarding the pallies and Hamas is this:

Isreal needs to relearn the childhood lesson: "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

(for that matter, so do we in America.)

562 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:34:32am

re: #556 coz

that's a dan rather reference to me
LOL
what REM song is it in?

563 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:34:37am

re: #545 realwest

re: #502 Angel I are! How are you doing this fine morining?

hey u!

I left u the link finally!..on the John Doe!
dang I'm a PC moron of the Highest Order of Morons..ha

564 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:34:40am

re: #517 realwest

Well, the bloodwork on the Best Dog in the World™ is great, except that she is a bit anemic. Vet wants me to bring her in Monday to do an X-ray to see if there is something wrong with her stomach that is causing her to drool a lot and vomit on a fairly regular basis... She is very lethargic and is down from her normal 42 to 36 lbs...

565 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:34:51am

Special treatment alleged for Muslims

NEW YORK, July 26 (UPI) — Debate is growing as to whether U.S. schools and universities are giving Muslim students preferential treatment pertaining to Islamic law, USA Today reported.

At least 17 universities have foot baths to accommodate Muslims who wash before praying five times a day, and at least nine universities have prayer rooms for Muslim students only, the Muslim Students' Association's Web site claims.

That doesn't sit well with Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel at the Thomas More Law Center, an advocacy group for Christians.

What (school officials) are doing ... is to give Muslim students religious benefits that they do not give any other religion right now, Thompson told the newspaper.

It's also an issue the American Civil Liberties Union, which has often sued schools for permitting Christian prayer, is studying.

If you start carving out time in the school day that you would not do but for the need to let students pray, then it begins to look like what you're trying to do is to assist religion, said David Blair-Loy, legal director for the ACLU in San Diego.

566 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:35:09am

re: #560 Ben Hur

Mongers.

No one loves war more than the MSM and Hollywood.

I just read that...

You knew it was coming, though.

567 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:35:39am

I must forage for food

BBIAM

568 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:35:39am
569 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:35:57am

re: #536 Angel Um, where's the link?!

570 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:35:59am

re: #562 BabbaZee

re: #556 coz

that's a dan rather reference to me
LOL
what REM song is it in?

Its actually called "What's the Frequency Kenneth?"

Great song!

571 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:36:06am

Hmmm...wonder if this has been posted by anyone yet?

IRS loses in court -- income tax not constitutional...

572 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:37:15am

Hollywood makes mindless violent films but war is bad..

ya,, that makes sense...

573 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:37:17am

re: #566 loppyd

Why don't these jackasses just re-release the Turkish "Valley of the Wolves" anti-US film? It would save them more time and money. Morons!

574 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:37:39am

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Fox News ought to buy a copy of Monday's Democrat debate on CNN to play over and over during the general election campaign. For now, the Democratic candidates need to appeal only to their nut-base. So on Monday night, the candidates casually spouted liberal conspiracy theories that would frighten normal Americans, but are guaranteed to warm the hearts of losers blogging from their mother's basements.

B. Hussein Obama got the party started by claiming he couldn't get a cab in New York because he's black. This line was a big hit with white liberals in the audience who have never been to New York.

So full of shit.

And if true, somebody better remind him that there are more Osama's driving cabs than mean White folk.

575 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:38:08am
576 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:38:14am

re: #520 Ben Hur

:)

(Poor Ben Hur... :) ...actually, poor us, because it is our loss... :)

577 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:38:36am

re: #572 NoSubmission

I was thinking along the same lines when I saw a report of "ocean's 11" style robberies in Beverly Hills/Hollywood.

How could they complain?

578 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:38:47am

#520 - Whaddya mean? I read or at least skimmed all of 'em and even posted a correction to one of 'em!
Just no pleasing some folks.

579 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:40:39am

re: #240 ZionistYoungster

Boker Tov ZY!

580 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:40:46am
Not only did he have no trouble getting a cab, but he cited statistics from taxi sting operations that showed a 96 percent compliance rate among cabbies in picking up blacks. (Remarkable, considering that New York cabbies' compliance rate on daily bathing is less than half that.)

Funny.

581 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:41:16am

sorry if this is already been posted, but looks like Michelle Malkin is getting to the bottom of TNR's "Scott Thomas Beauchamp" she just updated with a pic of this REMF. looks like a real hose bag. sounds like one too.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

582 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:41:57am
583 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:42:03am

re: #564 christheprofessor

{ {Best Dog in the World™} } }
Poor, girl!

584 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:42:05am

re: #515 ibrodsky


Ignoring the popular mis-use of "reserves" when the actual term is "oil in place", what is the production today, realtive to conventional reservoir production, of Canadian tar sands and US oil shales ? Pretty effing minor. Why ? I know - oil companies don't really want to make money. It's all a giant conspiracy. Feh.

The reason those sources aren't yet developed for the most part is that it is not yet a money maker. If it were, every oil company on the planet would be beating down the doors to get in on it. If nothing else, the political risk of operations in the US and Canada is damned-near zero. Ask Shell, Exxon/Mobil and Conoc/Phillips (amongst others) about that political risk in places like Russia and Venezuela.

RE the OIP v reserves thing, remember that reserves are economically produceable oil. OIP is what's in the ground. The recovery factor is ALWAYS less than 100 %, and in unconventional sources, usually way less. Even in conventional fields, an RF of 50 % is considered pretty damned high.

585 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:42:25am
571 Ma Sands 7/26/2007 7:36:06 am PDT reply quote

Hmmm...wonder if this has been posted by anyone yet?

IRS loses in court -- income tax not constitutional...


Yeah...interesting huh?
(look up-thread a few posts)

586 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:42:30am

re: #565 NJDhockeyfan

Not to mention the masrASSa they are allowing in Brooklyn NY!

did u see the obese Arab defending it on Hannity and Colmes last nite..?
one too many falaffels if ya ask me!

587 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:43:00am

re: #577 Ben Hur
Given the current flood of thespian arrests, it be said that Hollywood is in no position to be our moral tutor.

588 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:43:01am

re: #451 WriterMom

The list of signatories is interesting.

589 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:43:06am

re: #574 Ben Hur


I noticed that he laid on the brother accent when he made that comment.

The guilty white liberals got such a bang out of it.

barfbag, anyone?

590 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:43:27am

re: #569 realwest

I sent ya the link ...arg computers dun like me !

591 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:43:55am

re: #513 Syrah

When a Democrat accuses Republicans of being nihilists, he is projecting.

Actually, this is turnspeak. The LLLeft have been doing this more lately, finding and using the terms that have been used frequently by the Right. It is pure, premeditated evil. And I do use the word turnspeak in the sense first used by the National Socialists in Germany. This technique is being used on purpose, not a manifestation of projection or other such unconscious reflex. It is done with full awareness by the academics, as a pre-emptive measure. And they have the megaphones and the lecterns and the soapboxes. Look for more of this turnspeak in America...they have learned much from history's madmen, and from Ppalestine's recent use of turnspeak.

The Father of Lies stalks the earth, and his minions are busy, and clever.

592 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:43:56am

re: #564 christheprofessor
Poor baby!

593 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:44:07am

re: #581 Spider Mensch


I cant do it without getting through this army experience first, which will add a legitimacy to EVERYTHING i do afterwards, and totally bolster my opinions on defense, etc,

John Kerry Syndrome?

594 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:44:16am

re: #571 Ma Sands

Heh... I don't know that I'm as gung ho as that fellow, but I've said for a while that I'd love to see the abolishment of the Income Tax and the rise of a national sales tax.

There are a few countries that have done this and they ended up with MORE taxes than they had predicted.

It also reduces the cost of government as your IRS department can be stripped down to a bare-bones system of ensuring that businesses collect the proper sales tax.

I have a moral issue with taxing someone for their production, as it breeds a desire to limit production to avoid higher taxes, which is the opposite of what makes this country great.

595 ChildOfMary  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:44:26am

re: #565 NJDhockeyfan

It's also an issue the American Civil Liberties Union, which has often sued schools for permitting Christian prayer, is studying.

I guarantee you that if Catholic students asked for prayer breaks during the day so they could pray the Liturgy of the Hours, the ACLU would only need to "study" the issue for about 2 minutes before filing their lawsuit against the practice of this prayer.

596 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:44:32am

re: #564 christheprofessor

Poor girl. I hope she's ok...

597 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:44:57am

pimf!

It can be said!

not,
It be said.

argh.

598 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:45:01am
599 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:45:08am

re: #585 eschew_obfuscation

Thanks. :)

600 Angel  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:45:10am

re: #565 NJDhockeyfan

Not to mention Jews should be allowed to pray 3 times a day now in skool and they ought to serve gefitle fish not tuna!
harumf!

601 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:45:16am

re: #581 Spider Mensch

Is Beauchamp fwench for bullshit?

602 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:46:18am

BD_VM,

Of course. Has anyone heard of the new anti-war crime drama on Spike TV "Kill Point"? Starring John Leguzamo & Mark Walhberg's lesser talented brother, it focuses on Iraq War veterans so screwed up & desperate after returning home that they are forced to rob banks.

So it's a rip off of Dead Presidents. There truly is nothing new under the sun in Hollywood.

I recently had a sad conversation with a relative who has flipped on the Iraq war. The reason for her change of heart is because "American kids are dying and returning horribly wounded".

I always suspected this relative would go Oprah and succumb to mawkish sentimentality. Still it is disturbing. She's a conservative and she doesn't understand what this war is about. She doesn't know or care that al-Qaeda has set up shop in central Iraq. Nor does she seem to care that large numbers of al-Qaeda are being killed there.

If America's not prepared to take casualties to kill al-Qaeda in Iraq, they're not prepared to take casualties to kill them in Afghanistan or anywhere else. If America's not prepared to kill al-Qaeda abroad, than America had better brace itself for more days like this.

Wars are won in the will and the American will is waning.

603 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:46:19am

re: #589 loppyd

re: #574 Ben Hur


I noticed that he laid on the brother accent when he made that comment.

The guilty white liberals got such a bang out of it.

barfbag, anyone?

You actually watched?!?!?!

604 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:46:23am

Obama doesn't need a cab unless the secret service wants to go along for the ride...

Secondly, he needs to STFU until he addresses the fact that his church's website quietly removed the anti-white, anti-middle class rhetoric from their website.

605 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:46:32am

re: #583 redstateredneck

re: #592 NoSubmission

re: #596 loppyd

Thanks... Kinda heartbreaking to look at her -- I can see that she just doesn't feel well...

606 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:47:22am

"Moderate, mainstream Islam must triumph."

Tony Blair

607 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:47:23am

I seriously need to PIMF today.
sorry, gang!

608 Syrah  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:47:23am

re: #549 songbird

How can we take Democrats seriously when they do not know how to tell the difference between a Jihadist and a Republican?

Worse then silly, the democrats are becoming down right dangerously irrational.

609 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:47:41am

I wonder when Private beauchump is going to get a blanket party from the guys in his barracks. I can't believe something this wussified and whiney got out of basic training. I hope he enjoys Fort Leavenworth. He can do alot more writing there.

610 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:47:52am

re: #605 christheprofessor
I know how you feel.
How old is she?

611 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:48:06am

re: #604 NoSubmission

No kidding! I hadn't looked at it since it was posted at the beginning of his campaign...wow. 'Cept, come to think of it...what is left of the site then...? /

612 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:48:12am

re: #558 ploome hineni Sorry Ploome, but cursing, making threatening gestures and spitting on someone in most jurisdictions is considered assault. Not sure if he shoulda lost his job, but he shoulda paid some price for his over the top behavior - that woman and her kids were doing nothing offensive to him, save for the type of clothing they were wearing.

613 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:48:30am

re: #610 NoSubmission

She's 10 and a half...

614 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:49:09am

re: #605 christheprofessor

Have you tried putting ice cubes in her water bowl?

615 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:49:59am

re: #581 Spider Mensch

sorry if this is already been posted, but looks like Michelle Malkin is getting to the bottom of TNR's "Scott Thomas Beauchamp" she just updated with a pic of this REMF. looks like a real hose bag. sounds like one too.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

"Every morning I get up, living in Germany..." The hell!?! This tool isn't even in Iraq?

616 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:50:06am

re: #614 loppyd

No, I've never heard of that... What would it do?

617 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:50:12am

re: #581 Spider Mensch


WOW did you read his Poetry.

Gezzz he's say he loves his combay buddies, then trashes them.

618 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:50:15am

re: #613 christheprofessor

Pushin' 74, in people years... ):

619 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:50:58am

re: #603 Ben Hur

You actually watched?!?!?!

Not live. Saw clips on the news.

He laid it on thick.

Shrillary must have been pissed she couldn't use her sistah voice.

620 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:51:08am

I can only imagine the BS that guys tells chicks to get laid.

621 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:51:08am

RE no constitutional basis for income tax, what am I missing here ?

Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

622 songbird  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:51:18am

OT

This is a fun page with opposing political views. They have a friendly competition to see which side posts the most stories, and it's a good way to explore the beliefs of both political sides..

http://www.partymonitor.com

623 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:51:33am

re: #616 christheprofessor

She would get water without gulping a lot and then throwing it
back up.

624 Syrah  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:51:41am

re: #591 Taqiyyotomist

Turnspeak it is.

Evil it is.

We live in interesting times.

625 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:51:52am

re: #564 christheprofessor Hey that's great news on the blood work and the x-ray will be helpful I'm sure!
Um, you didn't by any chance feed her any of that Chinese made dog food, didja?
I have a very strong feeling that Best Dog in the World™ is gonna be fine after the x-ray shows what's wrong with her.
BTW, how old is she, anyway?

626 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:52:51am

re: #618 Ma Sands

Yes, she's getting up there... That said, until she started feeling bad back in Feb. or maybe March, many people mistook her for a puppy, she was so energetic and playful...

627 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:54:07am

CtP
Maybe she just needs some dinovite. Advertised on conservative talk radio...gotta be good!

628 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:54:37am
621 Mike C. 7/26/2007 7:51:08 am PDT reply quote

RE no constitutional basis for income tax, what am I missing here ?

Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


Not sure I understand this either...could be a bad court decision? Or misrepresented in the article?

629 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:54:37am

re: #591 Taqiyyotomist

{Taqiyyotomist}

630 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:54:43am

re: #623 loppyd

Good thought -- I'll give it a shot, thanks!
re: #625 realwest

Thanks. No, I've been monitoring the web page you sent me and what I feed her has never shown up on the list... She's 10.5 years old...

631 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:54:43am

re: #621 Mike C.

You're asking the wrong people. Ought to email the guy who just won the case to see what he said about it.

632 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:55:05am

Ben Hur,

I can only imagine the BS that guys tells chicks to get laid.



Let me fix that

I can only imagine the BS that guys tells chicks in his futile attempts to get laid.

That's better.

633 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:55:10am

re: #615 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There are questions about his timeline and when he wrote about the events - something isn't adding up, and it would be nice if he could present a timeline of when all these alleged events took place. I get the feeling he might have a problem with that.

634 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:55:29am

re: #627 redstateredneck

Heh. I heard that yesterday on Rush (not the first time) and I thought of ordering some...

635 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:56:04am

Good morning.

Well, this doesn't look good:

A top South Korean official headed to Afghanistan on Thursday on a mission to secure the release of 22 Christian volunteers held captive by Taliban kidnappers after the militants killed a hostage.

[...]

The kidnappers "will be held accountable for taking the life of a Korean citizen," Baek Jong-chun, South Korea's chief presidential secretary for security affairs, said in a statement before leaving for Afghanistan to consult with top Afghan officials on how to secure the release of the remaining captives.

[cue Sesame Street "One of These Things Is Not Like the Other" music]

Rather than "top officials", the SoKors should be sending the 707th Special Mission Unit to free the hostages. Each of the Taliban hostage-takers should wind up riddled with at least as many bullet holes as those animals left in the Christian missionary they murdered.

636 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:56:08am

re: #584 Mike C.

All I know is that XOM slightly missed estimates, with a $10 billion quarterly profit.

/and now the whole sector is being punished, like $10 billion is chump change or something

637 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:56:10am

Breaking on Fox

Army Secretary Expected to Recommend Demotion for General in Pat Tillman Probe


WASHINGTON — Army Secretary Peter Geren is expected to recommend that a retired three-star general be demoted for his role in providing misleading information about the death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman, military officials say, in what would be a stinging and rare rebuke.
638 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:56:35am

re: #621 Mike C.

The argument is that pay for labor is not income, but more of a barter. Income would be the profit, say a headhunter makes on finding jobs for people.

639 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:56:53am

re: #634 christheprofessor

re: #627 redstateredneck

Heh. I heard that yesterday on Rush (not the first time) and I thought of ordering some...

I've thought of getting it for the dachshund pack, but I'll have to figure out how to dose it out to them. They eat from communal bowls on an as demand basis.

640 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:57:13am

re: #613 christheprofessor
Poor pup! Being a dog person, I know how it is for you. I had to put my Malamute down at 11 years because of years of seizures. I don't like to think of it even to this day. I ache for you! Hoping things improve.

641 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:57:18am

re: #630 christheprofessor

You're welcome. A vet recommended it once and it seemed to
work.

Give her a smooch for me.

642 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:58:13am

re: #626 christheprofessor

Well, that's just it --when you feel healthy, you tend to ignore your age, and with the wisdom of age, enjoy the feeling of youth all the more... :) And then, when any little thing goes wrong, the feeling of age falls on you so much more quickly and heavily...

(Speaking with personal experience, here... :) --hope realwest's "feeling" proves real...)

643 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 7:59:10am

re: #638 Aladin Sane

I think part of his comparison is that a business is allowed to deduct costs and can only be taxed on profit.

But, how does one determine what is 'profit' on one's labor. Not all costs are as easy to determine as gas and car repair.

I still much prefer a sales tax. less government, some suggest more money (at least, more net) and it encourages saving for retirement, which can take the burden off of Social Security.

644 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:00:09am

re: #627 redstateredneck

CtP
Maybe she just needs some dinovite. Advertised on conservative talk radio...gotta be good!

Redneck,

That sounds like my Mom's dog - she's always changing her food, the dog scratches & licks her paws all the time. I'll let my Mom know about Dinovite. Thanks!

645 Widow'smight  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:00:24am

CTP,

I hope your girl gets better real soon.

646 Saif al Kufr  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:00:45am

Speaking of Hamas, remember a month ago the NYT ran a review of an HBO special on Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails? The review had a picture of a smiling, very sweet-looking Palestinian woman attached to the article. Below is a letter from the parents of the 15-year-old girl, Malki, who this woman helped murder at Sbarros:

---

Dear friends

Today's New York Times carries a review of a film called "Hot House "
that goes inside Israeli prisons and examines the lives of
Palestinian prisoners. We're not recommending the film or the review .
But we do want to share our feelings with you about the beaming
female face that adorns the article. You can see it here.


The film is produced by HBO. So it's presumably HBO's publicity
department that was responsible for creating and distributing a
glamor-style photograph of a smiling, contented-looking young woman
in her twenties to promote the movie.

That female is our child's murderer. She was sentenced to sixteen
life sentences or 320 years which she is serving in an Israeli jail.
Fifteen people were killed and more than a hundred maimed and injured
by the actions of this attractive person and her associates. The
background is here.

Neither the New York Times nor HBO are likely to give even a moment's
attention to the victims of the barbarians who destroyed the Sbarro
restaurant in Jerusalem and the lives of so many victims. So we would
be grateful if you would pass along this link to some pictures of our
daughter whose name was Malki. She was unable to reach her twenties -
Hamas saw to that.

Though she was only fifteen years old when her life was stolen from
her and from us, we think Malki was a beautiful young woman, living a
beautiful life. We ask your help so that other people - far fewer
than the number who will see the New York Times, of course - can know
about her. Please ask your friends to look at the pictures - some of
the very few we have - of our murdered daughter.

They are at
[Link: www.kerenmalki.org...]

And remind them of what the woman in the Israeli prison - the woman
smiling so happily in the New York Times - said last year. "I'm not
sorry for what I did. We'll become free from the occupation and then
I will be free from prison."

With so many voices demanding that Israel release its terrorist
prisoners, small wonder she's smiling.

With greetings from Jerusalem,
Frimet and Arnold Roth
On behalf of Keren Malki

647 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:01:33am

re: #628 eschew_obfuscation

The press never gets anything wrong.

648 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:01:54am

re: #643 LanceKates

But, how does one determine what is 'profit' on one's labor. Not all costs are as easy to determine as gas and car repair.

The article acknowledges this difficulty. I suppose you could look at what a fair labor rate is and go from there. One could argue that someone working at McDonald's was getting paid for labor only. Perhaps someone who got paid more due to name value or something like that would be earning profit on top of their labor.

I think it's an interesting argument.

649 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:02:13am

re: #644 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


I'll let my Mom know about Dinovite. Thanks!


Cool...reckon the dinovite people will give me a kick-back?
;-)

650 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:02:16am

Wow, I've been refused taxi service LOTS of times. I always assumed that it's because the taxi drivers didn't want to go where I wanted to, because they figured they couldn't pick up another fare once there. But hey, maybe it was because of my race. I should be President, as compensation.

651 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:02:38am

re: #640 NoSubmission

Sorry to hear that, and thanks... When and if that dreaded day ever comes, I'm going to do it here at home. She's scared of the vet, and I want her to last moments to be peaceful with me...

re: #641 loppyd

Thanks, will do...

re: #642 Ma Sands

re: #642 Ma Sands

True -- could just be age finally catching up with her...

652 Buck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:02:45am

#481 Mike C.

Yep, I include Oil Sands...

653 vxbush  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:03:03am

Aw, nuts. Migraine. Okay, guess it's time to go into serious lurk mode...

654 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:03:13am

re: #645 Widow'smight

Thanks!

655 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:04:17am

re: #624 Syrah

re: #591 Taqiyyotomist

Turnspeak it is.

Evil it is.

We live in interesting times.

All I'm saying is that it should never be considered to be a psychological problem, when the writers of the left do this...as if they really have no control over what they do. The term 'projection' implies this, where I contend that it is done fully conscious and aware, with the goal being deception and pre-emption by using terms which the Right uses accurately, and by redefining these same terms.

Postmodernism sucks. It utterly destroys language. Which brings us right back to 'nihilism'. Funny, that.

656 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:04:42am

Well, gotta run...

You all have a wonderful day!

657 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:04:48am

re: #617 Dustoff-507 Yeah, but now that he's come out with his real name, unit and etc., I'd like to hold off commenting on this s.o.b. until the military finishes it's investigation.
Y'all know I'm a Vietnam Veteran and HATE people who trash vets. PERIOD. That being said, there were a few whackos that did indeed hack off ears and wear them on "necklaces" to show what bad-asses they were. Not many, but some. All that proves to me is that some assholes, and perhaps folks headed for a life of crime do join the military.
And if y'all don't know me well enough to know I'm NOT giving credence to what he's said, nor am I lying about SOME Vietnam Vets, then I give up.
Not all soldiers/Marines are just older boyscouts with rifles.

658 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:05:11am

re: #655 Taqiyyotomist


It is vital that they destroy language.
World make worlds.
And they know it.

Orwell wrote on this as well

659 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:05:19am

re: #651 christheprofessor


She's scared of the vet, and I want her to last moments to be peaceful with me...


That is the sweetest thing I ever heard. Damnit, you made me cry!

660 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:05:52am

re: #648 Aladin Sane

We do have some basic deductions already, but I think that keeping an income tax, but abridging it only creates so many more legal loopholes that the only people who would actually benifit would be the lawyers, who could make a career out of working in such areas.

If we're going to have a change that only benifits lawyers, I'd rather not have any change at all. I still support sales tax. Even if it is 10 to 15% federal, plus the existing state/city sales tax.

(you get an extra 30% of your income, on average, and you spend around 15% more than you do now, you come out ahead.)

661 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:06:07am

Aladin Sane:

Income would be the profit, say a headhunter makes on finding jobs for people.

Um, wouldn't that be the headhunter's labor?

662 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:06:29am

{Babbazee!}

663 songbird  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:06:51am

re: #608 Syrah

re: #549 songbird

How can we take Democrats seriously when they do not know how to tell the difference between a Jihadist and a Republican?

Worse then silly, the democrats are becoming down right dangerously irrational.

Painfully true, and nobody wants to focus on common ground.

664 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:06:54am

I said "do you speak-a my language?"
He just smiled, and gave me a Dinovite sandwich

665 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:07:39am

re: #653 vxbush

Perhaps I missed the update, but I've been wondering how it went with your daughter's plan to go into the military...?

666 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:07:43am
If we're going to have a change that only benifits lawyers, I'd rather not have any change at all.

Whoa whoa whoa now let's not get crazy here people

667 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:08:17am

re: #660 LanceKates

We do have some basic deductions already, but I think that keeping an income tax, but abridging it only creates so many more legal loopholes that the only people who would actually benifit would be the lawyers, who could make a career out of working in such areas.

You're probably right, but I think the concept of the average workingman's pay not being subject to income tax is mind-boggling. Of course, that would also mean they'd have to tax the real "income" earners more to make up for the loss of tax revenue.

Maybe a sales tax would be better.

668 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:08:24am

re: #664 Occasional Reader

He just smiled, and gave me a Dinovite sandwich


Crap! Now I'm laughing so hard I'm crying!

669 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:08:52am

re: #631 LanceKates


Lance,

Can't tell. The original link is to WND. WND is NOT a news source, and so of course their story conveniently omits any reference to the issue at hand or to the ruling itself. There's no way in hell to judge what was ruled in that case, based on the linked article.

If I get the chance, I'll check around to see if anybody that can tell their ass from a hole in the ground has referenced it. Film at 11.

670 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:09:28am

re: #553 Ben Hur

I don't know Shneier. What's he do when he's not hob-nobbing with Islamists and dhimmi apologists? Heck, they've got Esposito & Armstrong, a worthy pair of useful fools.

671 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:10:40am

re: #636 Killian Bundy


Glad you chimed in. What is the current sector profit (percentage) and how does that compare to other sectors ? I don't have easy access to those numbers.

672 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:10:56am

#667 Aladin:

Of course, that would also mean they'd have to tax the real "income" earners more to make up for the loss of tax revenue.

Frankly, the idea that the McDonald's worker is making mere "wages" or "barter for labor" while the evil rich guy is making nefarious "profit" from his work is nothing more than crypto-socialism. Run away from it, FAST. Once the government decides you didn't really EARN that money, really, now did you? LOOK OUT.

673 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:11:37am

re: #638 Aladin Sane


A headhunter's efforts aren't labor ?

674 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:11:50am

#669 Mike C.

WND is NOT a news source

Here's a question:
I'm not saying it is or it isn't a news source.

The question is
what is your criteria for determining what is a news source and what is not,
and why do you state it so emphatically here in regard to WND with a capital NOT?

675 cpuller  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:11:57am

Holy Moly, I read that blog of Sir Thomas Scott, and somebody from the Iraq War ripped him big time.

676 ciaospirit  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:12:06am

Yeah, Dave, female genital mutilation and beheadings are a hoot. Your show should be called "Allah made me dead."

Cult comic DAVE CHAPPELLE is to produce a new movie which will introduce comedy fans to the world's funniest Muslims. Allah Made Me Funny - The Official Muslim Comedy Tour features America's top Muslim comics Preacher Moss, Azhar Usman and Mohammed Amer. Chappelle says, "Allah Made Me Funny is one of the funniest and most important comedy shows in America today. These guys are pioneers in the world of Muslim comedy and I am proud to be attached to this project."

Link

677 songbird  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:12:09am

BTW, for those of you who did not hear my jubilation yesterday, I got the job for which I interviewed. I'm now the choral director at a very nice middle school.

678 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:12:15am

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Get your hand outta my pocket!

*grin*

re: #667 Aladin Sane

Yeah, I do see that becoming a new 'rich' tax, since it could EASILY be argued that a 'rich' person (how subjective is that?) makes more than the 'average' person needs for 'normal' expenses (more subjective things), and therefore can pay more taxes, which is 'only fair'.


except that it isn't 'fair' at all. It would also tempt people to cover up income so that they don't have to pay as much in taxes, just as we have now. It wouldn't solve any of the problems, except for those tax lawyers that just don't have enough money coming their way.

679 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:12:39am

re: #670 Kenneth

and Clinton's Rabbi is in there too.
He is a "high level person". Not kidding, that;s their term.

Google High Level Group

680 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:13:12am
681 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:13:26am

re: #675 cpuller

could that c in your name be for Chesty?

682 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:13:29am

re: #670 Kenneth

He's the Rabbi at Park East Synagogue in Manhattan.

I really don't get it.

His son does great work.

Started the "Soho Synagogue" and got a lot of young peeps back into Joo-Doo.

683 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:14:10am

re: #672 Occasional Reader


once again, a problem solved via sales tax instead of income tax.

684 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:14:15am

I always thought "Chesty Puller" would be a terrific name for a pr0n star.

685 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:14:16am

re: #677 songbird

Mazel Tov

686 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:14:29am

re: #677 songbird

Congrats!

687 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:14:35am

re: #676 ciaospirit

I'm sure Chappelles brothers in Sudan aren't laughing.

688 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:14:54am

re: #684 Occasional Reader

Heh.. careful, you may have just pissed off every Marine here.

689 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:15:03am

re: #672 Occasional Reader

Frankly, the idea that the McDonald's worker is making mere "wages" or "barter for labor" while the evil rich guy is making nefarious "profit" from his work is nothing more than crypto-socialism.

Maybe I used a poor example. I do understand that on an income statement you can deduct cost-of-goods-sold and end up with a profit, or income subject to tax. I think there's some merit to the notion that labor for hire is more of a barter than an income. As for determining what's profit on labor, I'll leave that to someone smarter than me.

690 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:15:15am

songbird

Congratulations. Good to hear musical education still exists in middle schools.

691 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:15:16am

re: #677 songbird


Until the Christmas carols...

692 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:15:48am

We need a "Chesty" Puller today.

Here are some of his quotes.

693 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:15:59am

re: #687 Ben Hur Except for the color of his skin, he's white, through and through. And he has a rotten sense of humor.

694 loppyd  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:16:07am

re: #677 songbird

That is wonderful news! Congratulations!

695 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:16:23am
696 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:16:59am

Perhaps Chesty Puller is related to Margot Beste-Chetwynde?

697 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:17:29am

Mike C,

My favorite WND news story was the one that claimed soy makes children gay (NTTAWWT).

That claim is so batshit crazy, it's probably true.

698 Ginn  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:17:33am

Morning Everyone!

699 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:17:50am

re: #676 ciaospirit

Yeah, Dave, female genital mutilation and beheadings are a hoot. Your show should be called "Allah made me dead."

Cult comic DAVE CHAPPELLE is to produce a new movie which will introduce comedy fans to the world's funniest Muslims. Allah Made Me Funny - The Official Muslim Comedy Tour features America's top Muslim comics Preacher Moss, Azhar Usman and Mohammed Amer. Chappelle says, "Allah Made Me Funny is one of the funniest and most important comedy shows in America today. These guys are pioneers in the world of Muslim comedy and I am proud to be attached to this project."


Link

Did Dave Chappelle go Roper? Come to think of it, has Donovan McNabb? Anyone seen the beard he's been sporting lately?

700 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:18:00am

A great Hannity segment on CAIR...
Video: Flying imams stunt may have been set up to provoke lawsuit, says Peter King; Update: CAIR after Rudy now?

Yeah, that theory’s been floated before. He’s only speculating but his cop pals evidently think there’s something to it. As for who he thinks is behind it, I’ll make you watch the clip for that. A hint: they’re “a terrible organization, they are a disgrace, they support Islamic extremism.”

701 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:18:03am

re: #696 godfrey OK, I give up, who is Margot Beste-Chetwynde ?

702 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:18:21am

re: #680 ploome hineni

re: #604 NoSubmission
no one, not one reporter is asking about this


Nope. Not a one. I must be the only person in the world still wondering.

703 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:18:32am
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"
- Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC

That's the spirit.

704 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:18:32am

60 Taliban killed in battles in southern Afghanistan

KABUL, Afghanistan -- U.S.-led coalition forces and Afghan troops clashed with militants in two separate battles in southern Afghanistan, leaving more than 60 suspected Taliban dead, while a NATO soldier was killed in another incident, officials said today.

Coalition forces and Afghan troops late Wednesday attacked on a cluster of buildings in Helmand province that militants have been using to launch attacks, triggering a 12-hour gunbattle.

"Coalition air support dropped two bombs on the compounds with the greatest concentration of insurgents," a coalition statement said. "Both compounds produced significant secondary explosions immediately suggesting a large quantity of explosive material was present in each."

More than 50 Taliban were killed in the clash and a number of others were wounded, the coalition said.

The clash happened near the village of Musa Qala

And only just yesterday,

Taliban Success Story

The single success the Taliban can claim unequivocally is the capture of Musa Qala, a village of 14,000 people in north Helmand province. They took control of Musa Qala in February and have held it ever since. The Taliban has set up sharia courts to enforce fundamentalist Islamic behaviour.

Residents of Musa Qala have said that TV sets and cassettes dangle from trees to remind villagers not to play music or watch television even in their own homes. Four men were hanged as spies in late June and their bodies left hanging for days to intimidate the villagers. The Taliban have imposed heavy taxes on the villagers which they must either pay or pay in kind by joining the insurgents.

"We could take the district in less than 24 hours, but we fear that non-combatants could be affected," General Zahir Azimi, a spokesman for the Afghanistan's Ministry of Defence said.

But residents of Musa Qala pleaded with the central government and NATO in the spring to retake the village regardless of the risk to civilians. They said they were willing to die in air strikes if the Taliban could be driven out.

705 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:18:41am

re: #676 ciaospirit

I used to like Chappelle...before he went nuts.

706 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:18:43am

re: #657 realwest


True my friend, but his stories do sound a bit odd.

707 vxbush  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:18:52am

re: #665 Ma Sands

I think it's a longer term goal. She's not going to join before the fall semester. She's supposed to get tested to see if she has asthma, and I haven't heard if she's done that or not. Those results are required before they'll even look at her.

708 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:19:08am

re: #684 Occasional Reader

I always thought "Chesty Puller" would be a terrific name for a pr0n star.

Chesty puller sounds like a great job description, actually.

709 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:19:40am

re: #674 BabbaZee


I would point to the current issue as an example. The issue is a basic constitutional legal matter, The article covers essentially none of the facts necessary to evaluate what is being reported. It merely caters to an agenda audience. As far as the purported subject of the article is concerned, it does not consist of what I would consider a decent "news" article.

I used to have that site bookmarked. That ended years ago, for just this reason. It's an editorial site, not a news site.

710 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:19:47am

Yay for you songbird!

711 EE  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:28:23am

All that Hamas has to do is: (1) recognize Israel's right to exist; (2) renounce terrorism and violence; and (3) accept the previous agreements that were reached between the Palestinian Authority and Israel. Then there can be talks between Israel and Hamas, to discuss what agreements can be built upon the agreements that were already reached between the Palestinian Authority and Israel.

But instead, Hamas is at war against Israel. They haven't even stopped the firing of rockets against Israel. They don't recognize Israel's right to exist, so how can Israel deal with them except as an enemy? They won't renounce terrorism and violence, so how can Israel return niceness for rocket fire and kidnapping? They won't accept the agreements already reached between the Palestinian Authority and Israel, so how can Israel build upon those agreements?

Under these circumstances, what Israel should do is announce that unless Hamas stops the rocket fire into Israel and returns the Israeli soldier that it kidnapped, there will be a cut-off of fuel into the Gaza Strip (with escalating measures the second time rockets fire into Israel, and further escalating measures the third time, etc. until the rocket fire stops and Hamas hands over the Israeli soldier that it kidnapped).

Measures until Hamas stops the rocket fire into Israel and returns unharmed the Israeli soldier that it kidnapped: cut off fuel; cut off electricity; cut off water; cut off food; cut off medicine; start to return the fire: they send a rocket into Israel, and Israel responds with 5 rockets or other explosive projectiles into the Gaza Strip; increase the ratio of return fire to incoming fire; from the air clear out a corridor near the border from which Hamasides cannot fire rockets without being hit from the air; widen the corridor; widen it; widen it, etc.

War is war. Why is Israel playing games with them, while they are holding a kidnapped Israeli soldier, and firing rockets into Israel?

I don't agree with the UN envoy who wants Israel to permit the easy flow of terrorists and arms, and to help the enemy population of Hamastan, while Hamastan is at war against Israel. They voted for Hamas and terrorism and war, because their goal is to eliminate Israel. But choices have consequences. Now they should face those consequences.

712 realwest  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:32:26am

Hmmm - significant disturbance in the Force there.
re: #706 Dustoff-507 I'd say more than "Odd" that's why I want to wait for the military to investigate his assertions (which I'm willing to bet are lies).

713 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:32:53am

re: #707 vxbush

Okay, thanks. :) That's what I was wondering.

714 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:33:09am

Whew! Was that a hiccup ?

715 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:33:34am

re: #676 ciaospirit

Any updates about your son's friend?

716 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:35:22am

Congrats to "songbird" for landing the big one. I am actually considering looking for a "real" job myself.

Big disturbance in The Force.

717 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:37:20am

re: #676 ciaospirit

Hmmm...plenty of clues as to his mindset, here, if one is so-minded...

718 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:38:15am

re: #709 Mike C.

Ok thanks

719 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:38:49am

The hamsters are having a stroke

BBL

720 ciaospirit  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:39:14am

#699 beerdrinking_victorymonkey

Did Dave Chappelle go Roper? Come to think of it, has Donovan McNabb? Anyone seen the beard he's been sporting lately?

Apparently so.

"He was having problems throughout the writing," Farley added. "It dealt with some very difficult sexual and political and racial material ... He himself has sort of changed inside as he has become a practicing Muslim and so with all those issues and the fact that he wants to make sure the show projects him and his comedy in the right light."

Link

721 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:40:00am

Scotty! Get the hamsters some more dilithium crystals!

722 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:40:14am

re: #709 Mike C.

Eh, true. I do, however, trust it a bit more than some of the 'news' sources such as the NYT and Washington Post.

723 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:40:24am

#703 godfrey:

Reminds me of Dick Winters' reply in Band of Brothers upon being informed that his company is surrounded (at the beginning of the Battle of the Bulge); "We're Airborne, we're supposed to be surrounded."

724 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:40:51am

re: #704 Kenneth

Wow! Wow! Wow!
Onward and upward! (to quote C.S. Lewis, in "The Last Battle"... :)

725 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:42:57am

As there was no reaction previously...

IL student (who claims his favorite book is "The Bible") is arrested on terrorism charges for threatening to pull off a "Virginia Tech syle" mass murder.

A Gun shop owner turned him in when he was 'overly anxious' for a firearm he had ordered.

Again. How long until the media refers to him as the "Christian Terrorist"?

726 godfrey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:43:29am

Wow, the Lizard-Time Fabric warped there a bit.

Hi Ginn!

realwest

OR's inevitable porn reference made me think of "voluptuous" Margot Beste-Chetwynde, a society dame in Evelyn Waugh's novel, Decline and Fall. Tthat was before I clicked to read about the real 'Chesty' Puller, who was clearly a man who would neither decline nor fall.

727 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:45:51am

re: #725 LanceKates

I'm not sure how to navigate their "table of contents"...how, exactly would I find the article in your link...? Thanks.

728 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:46:22am

re: #726 godfrey

"Chesty" is, perhaps, THE example of a fighting Marine.

Earned 5 Navy Crosses. the Distinguished Service Cross, the Silver Star, two Legions of Merit with "V" device, the Bronze Star with "V" device, the Bronze Star, the Air Medal and the Purple Heart.

729 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:47:28am

re: #718 BabbaZee


At the least in such an article, I would expect the jurisdiction, the case name and the case number. That way, I could look it up myself to get the nitty-gritty the reporter doesn't have space to include. SOP for reports on legal issues.

730 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:49:26am

re: #728 LanceKates

re: #726 godfrey

"Chesty" is, perhaps, THE example of a fighting Marine.

Earned 5 Navy Crosses. the Distinguished Service Cross, the Silver Star, two Legions of Merit with "V" device, the Bronze Star with "V" device, the Bronze Star, the Air Medal and the Purple Heart.

What, no Medal of Honor?
Big deal. John Kerry won just as many medals.
/sarcasm, please don't hurt me!

731 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:49:45am

Re: Chappelle

In 1998, Chappelle converted to Islam. He told Time Magazine in a May 2005 interview, "I don't normally talk about my religion publicly because I don't want people to associate me and my flaws with this beautiful thing. And I believe it is beautiful if you learn it the right way."


The right way?

732 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:49:45am

re: #727 Ma Sands

re: #725 LanceKates

I'm not sure how to navigate their "table of contents"...how, exactly would I find the article in your link...? Thanks.

Odd.. the link is to the story, but they jump back to the front page.

Here is a link to FOX News' story.

733 easy  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:50:16am

Concerning the IRS story, here is the explanation:

I think now people are beginning to realize that this has got to be the largest fraud, backed up by intimidation and extortion and by the sheer force of taking peoples property and hard-earned money without any lawful authorization whatsoever," lawyer Tom Cryer told WND just days after a jury in Louisiana acquitted him of two criminal tax counts.
734 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:50:52am

re: #730 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Heh... I'm not a Marine, though I was raised by one.

*grabs a rock*

735 easy  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 8:50:59am
736 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:01:13am

Must watch video,

Jihad on Horseback

Two years ago, Al Arabiya producer Nabil Kassem was asked to put together a documentary film on Darfur. What he witnessed there, and recorded in this film, were scenes of unspeakable brutality and untold suffering, scenes he thought would surely wake up an Arab public all too willing to let Darfur pass by. But 'Jihad on Horseback' never made it across the airwaves. Watch part 1 of the film to see perhaps the most provocative Arab documentary ever made.
737 ggt  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:02:41am

Good Morning all! It is raining, overcast and bleary in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicago.

In case you haven't already, you may want to write your senator and appropriate congressperson on S.1237 and it's companion HR 2074. It would be nice if US Citizens retained their right to due process.

Of course the little Dick has co-sponsored the senate version. He also co-sponsored an amendment to the 2007 Defense Authoriztion Bill to ensure due process for GITMO detainees.

SPEW!

How are you all this am?

738 ggt  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:05:42am

#736 Kenneth

I got that video in my inbox via Atlas. It just watched it. I have only one question. Why don't these villagers fight back?

739 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:06:11am

Bloomberg Bloviates!

NYC Mayor, and general Doucebag, Michael Bloomberg, recently discussed on ABC how America is in "Dire Straits"

snip:

In his first network interview since leaving the Republican Party in June, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg told ABC's Robin Roberts that America is in a dire state.

"We have too much crime on the streets," he said on "Good Morning America." "People are getting killed throughout the country. We have an education system that's not educating everybody. That's detrimental to the whole country, including the people who are left behind."

Of course, Crime on the streets would be drastically cut down if he'd let up on his socialistic gun-grabbing schemes and let people protect themselves instead of forcing them to be unarmed victims.

"I'm going to fill out my term as mayor of the city of New York, and not run for president," he said. "But ... I live in this country. I'm one of 300 million people and I think that I have an obligation to speak out."

You speak out too much, how about if you just shut up?

"I've got a job," he said. "And it's a great job. And I'm going to finish this job and then my next career is gonna be in philanthropy."

Philanthropy, being defined by Bloomgberg's actions, meaning 'to pander to anti-gun groups to convince lawmakers that the average citizen becomes a raving lunatic if they own a firearm and that removing the legality of firearm ownership will reduce crime. As, I'm sure, crime-free Washington DC and San Francisco can attest.

740 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:06:58am

and general DouHcebag, Michael

741 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:09:08am

re: #738 ggt

They do try to fight back, but that's hard to do when you are poor unarmed semi-nomads fighting against a modern armed state with petro-dollars and Chinese supplied weapons.

742 ciaospirit  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:12:47am

re: #715 WriterMom

re: #676 ciaospirit

Any updates about your son's friend?

He's doing well. In fact, he's out of the hospital. He received tremendous support from LGFers and others, and his family sends a personal thank you. His mom shared a story with me that was very touching. When she got the call that he was shot, she couldn't get a flight out to New Jersey. She had to drive the eight hours not knowing if her son would live or die. She said she cried thinking about him being all alone, that when he opened his eyes, nobody would be there. When she arrived at the hospital, there were over thirty Airmen in the lobby holding vigil in prayer and support for Jon. They knew they couldn't see him, but they came anyway. Jon was not alone. The next day, there were almost fifty Airmen, sitting vigil for their comrade. His family will never forget that. Our military men and women are a very special group of people.

743 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:15:57am

re: #729 Mike C.

Not many "news" sources give that sort of detailed information anymore. WND may be an obvious example but the same problem of agenda editorializing plus lazy reportage vs real information and deep questioning IMO is prevalent almost everywhere today in all the so called "news" media.

745 ggt  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:19:58am

Whew! The Fraud Monitoring part of my computer just reassured me that this webpage is not fraudulent.

I didn't even know I had a Fraud Monitor.

746 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:21:15am

re: #745 ggt

heh. I'm suprised that it didn't tell you this was a racist hate site as other 'internet protection' software has done in the past.

747 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:23:12am

re: #744 ggt

I'm not aware of any "gun control" in Sudan. I think you are reading into it your own local concerns.

748 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:29:21am

Gun Bans & Genocide

In Sudan, it is virtually impossible for an average citizen to lawfully acquire and possess the means for self-defense. According to the national gun-control statutes, a gun licensee must be over 30 years of age, must have a specified social and economic status, and must be examined physically by a doctor. Females have even more difficulty meeting these requirements because of social and occupational limitations.
749 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:31:20am

Darfur and Gun Control?

Dimitri Vassilaros has an interesting commentary in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review about the consequences of gun control imposed by various international aid organizations regarding Darfur in the Sudan. Here are some quotes:


The slaughter, rape and torment of the citizens of Darfur would end if humanitarian aid included guns.

Darfur is a Texas-size region of Sudan. The Sudanese government and its militia proxies have killed roughly 70,000 civilians, raped and mutilated untold numbers of others and caused about 3 million refugees to live in camps.

Sudan could teach Serbia a thing or two about ethnic cleansing.

This carnage has been going on since 2003. The Sudan People's Liberation Army, a small band of revolutionaries from Darfur, were the only excuse the government needed to wage war on unarmed citizens in the region, who also happen to be fellow Muslims.

As I was reading story after story about the horrific treatment of the innocents by government-backed forces, I always wondered why there was no mention of the victims fighting back.

750 BabbaZee  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:32:42am
752 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:34:56am

I was watching "V is for Vendetta" the other day and I kept thinking "THIS is why we need to preserve the 2nd Amendment, and need to fight against any force that'd try to limit or restrict it."

Am I becoming one of those crazy people?

*grin*

753 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:37:23am

Bye, bye Islamic Jihad commander [Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

His death is all Israel's fault. I dislike having to say so, but I hope there are more to follow. It appears that this is the only way Israel will get any peace.

The UN, like the League Of Nations, is a farce. How many times have the Israeli's captured Sinai and given it back? Omert is a dhimmi at heart. He is doing too little to defend that which has been gained by the right of combat. That, btw, is the only right by which the Arabs can lay any claim to Jerusalem.

754 ggt  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:40:08am

Thank you Babba and Lance.

755 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:41:30am

re: #753 Shr_Nfr

The Pallies and Hamas have no reason to worry about the UN, based on its actions.

Israel is such a small country, in terms of landmass, yet it has received more UN attention (almost all anti-Israel) than any other nation. No nation calls the UN on their anti-Israeli bias.

I would laugh, applaud, then support any Israeli government that fought against the pallies and/or Hamas, then told the UN "I'm sorry, I don't recognize the UN as a soverign nation and therefore refuse to deal with it."

Frankly, there are times i wish the united states would do the same.

756 grumpy old codger  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:41:32am

re: #703 godfrey
Old USMC joke was that Chesty Puller was so tough, bulldogs had pictures of him tattooed on their chest.

757 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:42:59am

re: #756 grumpy old codger

I've heard that. If I had joined up, I'd have wanted a tattoo of a bulldog that had a tattoo of Chesty.

758 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:45:06am

combining talk of guns with that of soldiers... and mixing in my love of females:

Female Soldier with a Gun for the Day.

759 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 9:51:38am

Please note where this story takes place.

And please note that it is not in the South.

760 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:01:02am
761 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:12:50am

Score some more for the good guys, this time in Afganistan: [Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

btw, I am still waiting for any large number of Koreans to riot or any liberals to condemn the killing of the pastor of the Korean aid workers who were kidnapped by the Taliban. Those Koreans must have been "Little Eichmans" or something. Haven't heard boo from Murtha, Hellory, Obama, or anyone on the topic. Of course, the dimwitcrats are busy with their farm subsidy bill (never mind the high price of corn to create bogus biofuels at virtually no energy savings) in order to protect their freshman congressmen in that area. Disgust is to mild a word to use for the crew.

762 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:12:55am

Happy Lunch Hour!

763 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:19:49am

what's for lunch coz?

764 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:25:14am

So, in a 3-3-5 defense with an autoblitz by Robber when his receiver goes in motion, how to you account for a halfback pass?

oops, wrong forum.

Hail fellow lizards!

NMM

765 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:25:23am

re: #760 LanceKates

Ok, this is friggen creepy.

Wow. That is weird.

Wasn't there a special of some kind on TV recently about dogs that can "smell" cancer on human patients?

And, just before the tsunami recently, didn't most animals get the hell out of Dodge before it hit?

There's a lot we don't know about animals imho.

HI EVERYONE ON THE {DDT}

766 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:26:51am

re: #764 newmelleman

So, in a 3-3-5 defense with an autoblitz by Robber when his receiver goes in motion, how to you account for a halfback pass?

Sex talk already?!?!

LOL

767 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:29:08am

re: #766 gettinby

I'm officially a youth football geek now. Your brother doing well?

768 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:31:18am

re: #767 newmelleman

re: #766 gettinby

I'm officially a youth football geek now. Your brother doing well?

I'm sooo mad at him right now, I could *spit*!

/but thanks for asking. ;)

769 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:31:26am

leftover frozen pizza

770 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:31:33am

re: #764 newmelleman

I think the best defense is a good offense.

In simpler terms... destroy the halfbacks on the previous few plays and they won't have a halfback to pass to...

Of course, we're talking about kids instead of an advancing enemy, so you might have to block instead of destroy.

re: #765 gettinby

I think animals can physically feel the earthquakes and tsunamis coming and instinctively just run away. That they run to 'high ground' I think is less of a conscious decision based on problem-solving skills and more of a product of running away from the shore.

Except for New Orleans, running away from shore generally means going to higher ground.

771 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:32:04am

re: #768 gettinby

What happened?

772 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:32:12am
I'm officially a youth football geek now. Your brother doing well?

To be more precise I suppose, I've expanded my geek resume a bit.

youth football geek
bowling geek
war/strategy game geek
chess geek (although experience is dated)
etc., etc., etc.

773 Widow'smight  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:34:52am

NMM,

Went to the Phillies game last night with Daughter #2 and some other kid. Don't know if you saw the highlights, but it looked like the Keystone Kops with 2 out in the bottom of the ninth. Phillies tied the game, went to 14 innings. The last five we saw seated right near home plate about 5 rows back.

Philadelphia traffic is a nightmare, took 2:40 to go 50 miles or so. The kids had fun, plus we all got a Bobble-Heeead.

774 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:36:31am

re: #772 newmelleman

So, Axis and Allies?

775 Widow'smight  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:38:55am

re: #772 newmelleman

Did you forget... Chase the bride around Geek?

Hello Lance, Coz and The lovely Gettinby.

776 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:40:00am

WM,

Hi.

and, yes, Gettinby is lovely.

/I can suck up too

777 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:40:27am

re: #774 LanceKates

Yup. But to be honest, thats child's play compared to some of the others that I've played. Panzergruppe Guderian, Guns of August, Operation Market Garden... Some of those are played on a board as big as your dining room table and are filled with little "counters" (about 1/2" square) that depict various units.

778 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:40:44am

Hey widow.

779 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:41:15am

re: #771 LanceKates

re: #768 gettinby

What happened?

1. He promised to help a friend of mine and hasn't come through.

2. Mr. GBy and I mailed a nice little 9mm for his 13-yo son (our nephew)'s birthday. We sent it in May...he still hasn't taken the friggin time to go pick it up. Birthday is this week. The gun is at a reputable gunstore but they won't hold it forever.

I'm ready to just call the gunstore and have them mail it back. But it would hurt our nephew...not just my brother.

He's busy, understandably; but so are we, and any time he's needed something from us, we come through immediately, no matter what's going on in our lives.

/sorry...rant off
//and, you asked! LOL

780 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:41:39am

re: #777 newmelleman

Heh. I haven't played anything that elaborate.

781 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:42:45am

re: #779 gettinby

That's odd... it should take maybe 10 or 20 minutes to get.

Is he an anti-gun type person? (I'd imagine not if he's ok with his 13 year old going 9mm target shooting)

782 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:43:25am

re: #772 newmelleman

I'm officially a youth football geek now.

So...you're an YFLOG?

:D

783 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:44:07am

re: #773 Widow'smight

Hey Widder. Didn't catch the Phils but we had our last baseball game on Tues. Technically, we also got our last win because the other team didn't show up. So, instead the kids played the parents for a few innings (when your dad/mom was at-bat, you got to pitch). After that the Head Coach ordered pizza and we just sat around and talked.

I went around to each of the boys individually and told them "you know the coach is moving to FLA and won't be able to coach us next year...I'd consider it a favor if before you left, you go up to him, shake his hand, and say thank you for being my coach." Like good little troopers they all did it and coach had to go out to the parking lot to compose himself.

:)

784 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:47:07am
1. He promised to help a friend of mine and hasn't come through.

If thats what I'm thinking it might be...do not sweat it, its no big deal. On the other hand, if its something else...feel free to leave him of the x-mas card list this year.

785 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:47:18am

re: #781 LanceKates

re: #779 gettinby

That's odd... it should take maybe 10 or 20 minutes to get.

Is he an anti-gun type person? (I'd imagine not if he's ok with his 13 year old going 9mm target shooting)

Shoot, no. He's a hunter and loves guns and rifles.

He's just being a...a...younger brother. *sigh*

/thanks for your concern. :)

coz and Widow

How sweet of y'all...*blush*

/just full of asterisksisis today! LOL

786 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:48:32am

heh.

"I need to find out if this building has been around long enough that it would predate your current zoning code."

zoning rep: "We don't do that and I don't know who'd you call to find that out, but we don't do that."

...

787 Widow'smight  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:50:03am

re: #783 newmelleman

If you get a chance to watch them, you won't believe how a Major League team can screw up so much on one play.

It's been said that you always learn more when times are tough. I guess your team must be a bunch of Einsteins by now!

We had 5 days in a row that Air-conditioning was not necessary. The last two have been humid though.

It's tough being a Step-father, not so much so being a Dad.

788 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:50:36am

{NMM}

789 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:53:08am

re: #787 Widow'smight


It's tough being a Step-father, not so much so being a Dad.

I'm sure it is but I also have no doubt that you measure up regardless.

Our weather has been cooler than usual as well. Garden is in full "you're on your own" mode now. Got another 5 gal. bucket of goodies out of there last night but that will start dropping off pretty soon.

790 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:55:26am
If you get a chance to watch them, you won't believe how a Major League team can screw up so much on one play.

Haven't seen much of them in recent years but I do remember a time when some of my buddies and I started referring to "errors" as "Samuels" in tribute to Juan.

:D

791 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:57:01am

re: #788 gettinby

and a big {gettinby} back atcha!

792 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:59:13am

brb. meeting.

793 Widow'smight  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:00:23am

NMM,

I just hope the measuring device is a tailor's tape instead of a yard stick. In a way, it's kinda like getting a full grown dog from the pound vs. getting an 8 week old puppy.

I need to dig up my Potatoes, and the Tomatoes should be here very soon.

794 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:02:59am

nevermind. I don't need to go as I'm not changing anything.

795 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:03:06am

Widow

Have you ever grown eggplant? I'm trying it this year but I'm not sure when to harvest them. I've got a couple on the plant that are starting to get kinda big but still smaller than what you see in the grocery store. I'm assuming that could be because my soil,climate, etc. are not ideal for eggplant...just don't want to leave them on too long (or pick them too early either for that matter).

796 Widow'smight  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:08:27am

re: #795 newmelleman

I guess checking Eggplant is like checking your Wife's ...

I'm growing some my self right now. It prolly would be alright to pick one and fry/grill it up. Many times I've found that stuff like Eggplant and Squash are much more tender when young. They get kinda woody if you let them get too big. Neither fruit has an abundance of taste to begin with. Ooops, I'm going full circle back to my leading comment.

797 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:10:01am
798 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:12:08am

re: #796 Widow'smight

Gotcha.

Honey, would you mind terribly putting on that French maid's outfit for me? We gotta check the eggplant. It may be too woody already.

:D

/Is Heathen on vacation?

799 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:12:25am

re: #797 gettinby


let's see,

24.95 X 7 =

/checking wallet

800 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:14:22am

re: #799 coz

LOL

/=cost of groceries for...what...about 3 days? :)

801 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:14:36am

re: #796 Widow'smight

Major difference between the wife and an eggplant.

If you call an eggplant 'woody' due to age, you live to see another day.

802 Widow'smight  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:15:14am

re: #798 newmelleman

NMM,

If it wasn't "Woody" before, it sure would be after the French Maid outfit and Eggplant check. Might even get to Buzz Lightyear "To Infinity and beyond" status.

803 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:25:17am

Heathen was just here yesterday.

Isn't there a magic word or two that usually gets him in here?

Where is redstate?

And it was nice to see m here for awhile yesterday.

804 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:26:29am

re: #803 gettinby

I believe this is one that often works:

BOOBS!

805 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:27:39am

re: #804 LanceKates

re: #803 gettinby

I believe this is one that often works:

BOOBS!

(picks up head)
WHERE?! WHO SAID THAT?!

806 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:28:13am

re: #795 newmelleman

Widow

Have you ever grown eggplant? I'm trying it this year but I'm not sure when to harvest them. I've got a couple on the plant that are starting to get kinda big but still smaller than what you see in the grocery store. I'm assuming that could be because my soil,climate, etc. are not ideal for eggplant...just don't want to leave them on too long (or pick them too early either for that matter).

Mmmm; eggplant. I just got back from lunch at The Dinner Bell, who specialize in fried eggplant.
:-)

807 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:31:16am

BTW, I did not answer to the boob call.

808 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:32:00am

Flied Eggprant?

/working on my Asian accent impersonation

Eggplant Parmesean for me please.

809 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:34:27am

nmm
Click on the picture. The fried eggplant is right next to the fried chicken.
Southern eatin'!
:D

810 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:42:20am

re: #807 redstateredneck

uh huh...

I notice that it brought out everyone BUT Texas Heathen.

811 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:43:16am

re: #809 redstateredneck

All of it looks yummy! Reasonably priced too. If I went to that place for lunch, I'd be sleepy all afternoon.

812 Widow'smight  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:43:29am

Redstate,

That looks like someone's home, and some real good food. Now if we could only get the French Maid outfits to go with our Eggplant, Nmm and I would be velly appy.

813 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:43:31am

re: #810 LanceKates

re: #807 redstateredneck

uh huh...

I notice that it brought out everyone BUT Texas Heathen.

He must be wearing his boob blinders today.

814 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:45:02am

re: #811 newmelleman

re: #809 redstateredneck

All of it looks yummy! Reasonably priced too. If I went to that place for lunch, I'd be sleepy all afternoon.

I don't normally eat that way, either. This was a Red Hat lady outing. The old gals wanted to go there!

815 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:50:22am

re: #813 redstateredneck

a horrible invention.

816 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:52:07am

Whats all this about Heathen wearing a bra?

817 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 11:57:55am

re: #816 newmelleman

Whats all this about Heathen wearing a bra?

That's how rumors get started!
Boob Blinders; not Binders!

:D

818 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:01:26pm

re: #817 redstateredneck

lol...

How's your thursday afternoon going?

819 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:03:22pm

re: #818 LanceKates

How's your thursday afternoon going?


Colorful, considering I'm sitting here in a purple dress with red flip flops with big flowers on them! Left the hat in the car, though.

820 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:04:48pm

Instead of Red Hats I should be in the club one of my SIL's is in. She's a Ya Ya Sister. They get together and drink and play cards OR drink and go bowling OR drink and ...whatever!

821 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:04:50pm
822 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:05:31pm

re: #817 redstateredneck


:D

Well, the ladies can't see with a bra over them either. How can they forsee anything coming at them? Sounds principally unsound to me...be ever vigilant says I.

:P

823 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:05:45pm

re: #820 redstateredneck

What, precisely, is the purpose of the "red hat society"?

I mean, if it is just about ladies getting together, why the red hats?

just... get together.

824 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:06:04pm

re: #819 redstateredneck

re: #818 LanceKates


How's your thursday afternoon going?

Colorful, considering I'm sitting here in a purple dress with red flip flops with big flowers on them! Left the hat in the car, though.

You'll need one of these then.

825 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:07:05pm

re: #820 redstateredneck

Did the Rolling Stones start that club?

Get yer ya-ya's out (sister)

826 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:08:50pm

re: #823 LanceKates

re: #820 redstateredneck

What, precisely, is the purpose of the "red hat society"?

I mean, if it is just about ladies getting together, why the red hats?

just... get together.

It's taken from this poem: Warning

827 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:11:05pm

re: #825 newmelleman

re: #820 redstateredneck

Did the Rolling Stones start that club?

Get yer ya-ya's out (sister)

Divine Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood, smartass!

828 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:12:30pm

re: #824 gettinby

You'll need one of these then.


That will go well with the hot pink razr phone that I inherited from my daughter.
/mom never gets anything new!

829 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:15:24pm

re: #826 redstateredneck

Yup. I don't understand ladies.

But, to equal things out. I hereby start a Man Group, where we must wear ball caps and drink alcohol, talking about manly things like cars, some bbqing and guns.

and something else too, but I can't remember what...

oh yeah, girls.

830 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:16:42pm
I hereby start a Man Group


I think nmm already did that. It's called the Here for the Beer bowling team!

831 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:18:09pm

re: #830 redstateredneck

yeah, but that requires bowling talent, which I do not have (110 to 120 average)

832 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:19:19pm

re: #829 LanceKates

re: #826 redstateredneck

Yup. I don't understand ladies.

But, to equal things out. I hereby start a Man Group, where we must wear ball caps and drink alcohol, talking about manly things like cars, some bbqing and guns.

and something else too, but I can't remember what...

oh yeah, girls.

Women, when getting together, DO talk about those things! ;)

833 newmelleman  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:20:04pm
I think nmm already did that. It's called the Here for the Beer bowling team!

I guess the naming rights on that one are up for grabs if Lance wants 'em.

:(

I will not be bowling this year (after 15+ years) so that I can help coach football. Turns out we were another guy short and would have had to take a newcomer on anyway.

834 Widow'smight  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:20:29pm

Redstate,

/mom never gets anything new!

Cept that Toyota Camry, and the Apple Pc, and ...

I image the sight of you ladies all dolled up is what makes it the Magnolia State. Nothing like the sight of a perty woman in a nice dress.

835 texas heathen  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:25:09pm

re: #798 newmelleman

re: #796 Widow'smight

Gotcha.

Honey, would you mind terribly putting on that French maid's outfit for me? ... It may be too woody already.

:D

/Is Heathen on vacation?

been real busy today but I'm here now.
Is there such thing as too woody. ;)

836 texas heathen  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:27:01pm

{redstate}{gettinby}
sup fellas

837 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:30:09pm

Hiya {Heathen}

For everyone...

The difference between men and women.

A sample

Magazines:
Men's magazines often feature pictures of naked ladies. Women's magazine also feature pictures of naked ladies. This is because the female body is a beautiful work of art, while the male body is hairy and lumpy and should not be seen by the light of day.

838 texas heathen  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:30:22pm

re: #816 newmelleman

Whats all this about Heathen wearing a bra?

WTF! Just cause I'm a little late to the thread doesn't mean you can go starting vicious rumors about me.

*looks around doesn't see nmm*
pssst...hey redstate I hear nmm wears ladies panties.

BWAHAAHAAHaaa

839 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:36:06pm

{Heathen}
'Bout time you showed up.

840 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:37:22pm

re: #833 newmelleman

I will not be bowling this year (after 15+ years) so that I can help coach football.


Some day nmb will appreciate your sacrifice.

841 texas heathen  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:39:08pm

g.by

from your link

Women talk about one thing in the locker room--sex. And not in abstract terms, either. They are extremely graphic and technical, and they never lie.

No wonder my wifes friends always smile and flirt with me
;)

842 coz  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:39:29pm

re: #837 gettinby

Hiya {Heathen}

For everyone...

The difference between men and women.

A sample


Magazines:
Men's magazines often feature pictures of naked ladies. Women's magazine also feature pictures of naked ladies. This is because the female body is a beautiful work of art, while the male body is hairy and lumpy and should not be seen by the light of day.

Ah, children. A woman knows all about her children. She knows about dentist appointments and soccer games and romances and best friends and favorite foods and secret fears and hopes and dreams. A man is vaguely aware of some short people living in the house.


Ahh HAA HAAA HA

I got those.

843 texas heathen  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:41:45pm

re: #839 redstateredneck

{Heathen}
'Bout time you showed up.

Been one thing after another today.
Some Zillionaire actually wanted to have someone jump on a plane and deliver his parts today. I thought my boss would cave in and make me go but he is having the parts delivered by fedex courier svc. or some such.

844 texas heathen  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:42:48pm

re: #842 coz

yeah I liked that one too.

845 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:43:41pm

Every once in awhile, when I'm signing a new driver up for group insurance, he will know the dates of his children's birthdays. Most of the time, he has to bring me that (along with the correct spelling of their names) on a note from his wife.

846 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:44:08pm

How to Shower...Women vs. Men

/no nekkid people.re: #842 coz

LOL

I thought of you when I read that one! :)

Another good one, imo...

Mustaches:
Some men look good with mustaches. Those men are Tom Selleck and Burt Reynolds. There are no women who look good with mustaches.

847 gettinby  Thu, Jul 26, 2007 12:46:48pm

re: #846 gettinby

/