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Beauchamp Investigation: 'Proven to Be False'

Fri, Aug 3, 2007 at 8:00:59 am PDT

Game over for The New Republic: Beauchamp Investigation Concluded.

After a thorough investigation that lasted nearly a week the 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division has concluded that the allegation(s) made by Private Thomas Scott Beauchamp, the “Baghdad Diarist”, have been

“refuted by members of his platoon and proven to be false”

The official investigation the 4th IBCT Public Affairs Office qualified as “thorough and professional” concluded late August 1st. Officials would not speculate on the possibility of further action against Private Beauchamp, nor would they confirm his current whereabouts or status.

UPDATE at 8/3/07 8:14:59 am:

Creepy Max Blumenthal is frantically smearing everyone involved, to try to protect Beauchamp, the left’s poster boy for military bad behavior. Here’s the URL: maxblumenthal.com/archives/178. I won’t link directly to his vile post, but copy and paste if you’d like to see how the tolerant left is behaving over this.

UPDATE at 8/3/07 8:30:32 am:

Bob Owens has been in touch with the PAO of the base in Kuwait where Beauchamp claims the “burned woman” incident happened, and this claim also appears to be false: Confederate Yankee: Breaking: Kuwait-Based Army PAO Calls Beauchamp/New Republic Claim an ‘Urban Legend or Myth’.

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1 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:02:45am

Any one surprised?

2 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:03:08am

TGIF!

3 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:03:22am
4 Born Again Republican  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:03:26am

Surprise Surprise Surprise NOT

5 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:03:33am

This will be front page at Kos , right?

6 ronaldusmagnus  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:03:41am

Behold the power of the blogosphere.

7 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:03:44am
8 Bunker Buster  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:03:58am

No surprise here. Maybe he can find a new line of work writing prison fiction in Leavenworth...

9 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:03:59am

It's going to be a good day.

10 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:04:30am

Uh-oh. I got Zombie's spot. Could be trouble...

11 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:04:50am

Is it just me or has there been a streak of good news lately?

12 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:04:51am

I would have preferred a more in depth, point by point refutation from the Army.

13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:05:51am

How long before the Moonbats conclude the investigation was a cover up?

14 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:20am

Color me surprised. Although I do have to admit that sometimes the military has surprised me with respect to the results of their investigations.

15 Bunker Buster  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:34am

re: #12 Dirk Diggler

At this point, I'd settle for the Vincent Gambini approach:

"Everything that guy just said...is bulls**t!"

16 Charles  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:50am

re: #12 Dirk Diggler

I would have preferred a more in depth, point by point refutation from the Army.

I'm sure more details are on the way.

17 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:07:25am

No doubt this will lead to another congressional carnival-ride, like the Pat Tillman hearing this week. Can't wait to see Kucinich, sitting on a pile of telephone books, trying to look tough in front of a bunch of green-suits.

18 bryantay  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:07:54am

But in this article they say that TNR's investigation proves everything to be true other than the location... who do we believe?

The New Republic has completed their investigation, and, aside from one error—an incident purported to have taken place in Iraq actually took place in Kuwait—everything written by Scott Thomas Beauchamp has been corroborated by current and former soldiers, including five other members of Beauchamp's company, forensic experts, and other war journalists, with assistance from Army Public Affairs officers.

19 ronaldusmagnus  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:08:02am

Any word from TNR?

20 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:08:06am

"nor would they comment on his whereabouts or status". I've never been in the military, but is this sort of thing a jail-able offence?

21 Stinger McGraw  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:08:06am

I hope this piece of dung, gets some hard time.

22 Mike in Georgia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:08:17am

re: #12 Dirk Diggler

Maybe they are not ready to air the dirty laundry in public. But I
would like to know what is really being said and done.

23 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:08:56am

Of course this will still rumble on in the brains of those who want to believe it, just like the Newsweek flushed koran story.

24 Carridine  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:09:46am

Well, what a delightful way to top off (or, in this case, START) a Friday!

Liar proven mendacious!

/bodacious!

25 Yank in the EU  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:09:47am

Love that LGF links to a Milblogger for this piece. Definately shows real class.

26 Axiom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:09:54am

Will we be able to reach Franklin Foer for comment on his yacht not docked within range of cellular telephones?

Oh, I'm sure he's left his radio on. The journos will just have to go nautical with their attempts to reach him.

27 MoonbatBane  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:09:57am

But, but, but... TNR said they'd verified the allegations. That is, they were just off by little details such as one country, nine months, wrong type of gravesite, etc., etc. So how could the military say they were proven to be untrue? COVERUP! It MUST be a BusHitlerMcHaliburton COVERUP! IMPEACH. IMPEACH, I SAY! /moonbat

28 Impetus  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:09:59am

Everything is politically polarized now... Media wants this soldier to be right, and they want this to be right too:
Federal Court Rules FBI Raid on Rep. William Jefferson's Office Unconstitutional

How does ANYTHING get done now with this kind of all encompassing partisanship.

29 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:10:13am

I just don't understand how an opportunist could lie to gain fame and notoriety. It's so unlike them.

/Not.

30 rourke54  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:10:17am

make him stay in the field. justice will have its say. im not advocating that any of his fellow soldiers take matters into their own hands just saying that it might work itself out.

31 mean Gene  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:10:32am

Well, it was walking like a duck and quaking like a duck, so big surprise!

But I am so happy that it got straightened out so fast.
Bodes well for this coming election cycle.

32 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:10:44am

I'm sure we'll be seeing a retraction and apology from TNR any second um any minute, oh hell, like never, right? The narrative was correct, it's just that the facts were wrong.

Bad facts, bad.

33 Spider Mensch  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:10:52am

"nor would they confirm his current whereabouts or status"

I'm sure its not a pleasant place.... maybe he can take up geology instead of writing...I see many rocks in his future.

34 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:10:59am

What inspires such people?

35 Fresh Air  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:11:11am

Well, this news comes just in time for the New Republic to go on summer holiday.

36 SeafoodGumbo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:11:17am

Charles,

It's VDH Friday!

37 bryantay  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:11:20am

Ooops... I meant to quotes this... those aren't my words :)

The New Republic has completed their investigation, and, aside from one error—an incident purported to have taken place in Iraq actually took place in Kuwait—everything written by Scott Thomas Beauchamp has been corroborated by current and former soldiers, including five other members of Beauchamp's company, forensic experts, and other war journalists, with assistance from Army Public Affairs officers.

38 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:11:35am

re: #5 DesertSage

This will be front page at Kos , right?

(Headline)

ANOTHER MILITARY COVERUP BY BUSHITLER!

Not surprised it's BS. Ace does a good job of poking more holes in the story as well.
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

39 Born Again Republican  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:11:44am

re: #18 bryantay

As soon as he admitted the 'woman' scenario happened at another time and another country than he reported, nothing else he says can be trusted. imo

40 vxbush  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:12:13am

One word:

SLAM!

41 g3n3r1c  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:12:37am

Something that should raise an eyebrow or two

Swiss customs authorities seized mechanical equipment weighing over two tons which they suspected was destined for an Iranian nuclear plant, Al Watan reported on Friday.

The equipment's estimated value was 0.5 million euros.

According to the report in the Saudi-based newspaper, a Swiss company was suspected to be involved in the deal.

42 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:12:44am

What's the word? Fabulist?

43 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:13:02am
44 Bill the Cat  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:13:02am

Maybe Beauchamp can share a cell with Charles Grainer. They've both been so helpful to our cause.

45 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:13:03am

Heh, and he seemed like such a promising young author, too.

46 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:13:11am

re: #28 Impetus

That's one big problem now, all encompassing politicization.

Even of national self-defense.

I've registered Independent and I encourage others to do so also.

47 Carridine  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:13:53am

re: #18 bryantay

"...everything written by Scott Thomas Beauchamp has been corroborated by current and former soldiers, including five other members of Beauchamp's company, NAMES?
forensic experts, Named WHO?
and other war journalists, With NAMES?
with assistance from Army Public Affairs officers." and their NAMES?


That is the difference between TNR and the Army Investigation. The Army named names, had the witnesses solemnly swear oaths to the Lord, God Almighty, and bend every fiber to be truthful.

TNR spun every way it could to SEEM truthful.

48 vxbush  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:14:07am

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

Eh, you've got a good point there, buzz. But then it becomes a house of cards, yes? We pull one out, and then they all go falling.

49 MoonbatBane  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:14:22am

re: #28 Impetus

Everything is politically polarized now... Media wants this soldier to be right, and they want this to be right too:
Federal Court Rules FBI Raid on Rep. William Jefferson's Office Unconstitutional

How does ANYTHING get done now with this kind of all encompassing partisanship.

Huh? I thought it was found to be constitutional: [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Oh, you're saying that's what the media WANTS to believe. Sorry, need more coffee.

PS Charles, my "link" button isn't working correctly -- something change?

50 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:14:27am
51 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:14:28am
52 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:14:39am

No shcok this story was bogus, but that won't prevent the left from repeating it over and over again.

Truthiness!

53 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:14:39am

Up next from TNR: Fake but accurate.

54 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:14:44am

.

proven to be false

But but...where they accurate ?

55 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:15:01am

Signs of Sanity? at Shakespears's Sister? from yesterday?

Let's watch for Melissa McEwan to issue a clarification of this:

The New Republic has completed their investigation, and, aside from one error—an incident purported to have taken place in Iraq actually took place in Kuwait—everything written by Scott Thomas Beauchamp has been corroborated by current and former soldiers, including five other members of Beauchamp's company, forensic experts, and other war journalists, with assistance from Army Public Affairs officers.

So...all good, right?

56 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:15:23am

re: #12 Dirk Diggler

That will come. Right now, we're going on Sanchez's reporting from FOB Falcon. I expect the PAO will issue a statement detailing what was discovered and found, along with the disposition of the case if such information is not going to affect Beauchamp's rights under the UCMJ or operational security.

57 g3n3r1c  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:15:33am

Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), chairman of the House Appropriations defense panel, has secured the most earmarked dollars in the 2008 military spending bill, followed closely by the panel’s ranking member Rep. Bill Young (R-Fla.).

Even though Young secured 52 earmarks, worth $117.2 million — and co-sponsored at least $27 million worth of others — Murtha’s 48 earmarks amount to a total of $150.5 million, according to a database compiled by the watchdog organization Taxpayers for Common Sense (TCS).

The House is expected to take up the $459.6 billion defense appropriations bill Friday. It contains 1,337 earmarks, costing $3.07 billion, which is less than half the number and value of earmarks in last year’s bill.

58 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:15:36am

re: #30 rourke54

I don't want this guy defending me or any of my fellow Americans.

59 Scarab  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:15:40am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long before the Moonbats conclude the investigation was a cover up?


How long?.....you are kidding aren't you? The left starts declaring coverup even before investigations begin. It is the nature of the "religion" they follow....all things differing from their "reality" is apostate.

Scarab

60 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:15:52am

shcok = shock.

Breaking in some new fingers today...

61 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:15:58am

Everything Harry Mudd tells you is a lie.

62 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:16:29am

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

True. But for a long time I haven't liked any of the primary choices either. Maybe the GOP will have a decent candidate this time.

63 rourke54  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:16:53am

re: #58 Sharmuta

neither do i but i doubt he would last long.

64 turn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:16:55am

TNR: but, but, but .... we support the troops!

65 Spider Mensch  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:18:10am

after reading last nights thread about beauchamp, I wonder if "JustMyView" poster will be weighing in this morning.

66 Stonewall  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:18:25am

False .....but accurate diaries no doubt!

67 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:18:47am

re: #49 MoonbatBane

Here's my coverage of the Rep. Jefferson appeals court ruling, including a link to the case.

As for Pvt. Beauchamp and TNR - the hammer is going to drop - hard.

68 Hucbald  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:18:51am

Gee, another lying shit-sack libtard. *yawn*

69 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:19:30am

[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

They may take away our history, but they will never take away our ZEEERRROOOOOO!

70 ZootAllure  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:20:17am

A question for the military folks here. I assume that the members of his unit now know that Beauchamp has been slandering them. What would the reaction be to the betraying of his comrades? I wonder if command has removed him from theater to keep an accident from happening. Heck even if he got killed legitimately now it would set up a wailing in the moonbat world.

71 Shiloh  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:20:29am

OT: New software to help spot fauxtography:

[Link: blog.wired.com...]

72 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:20:42am

Hmmm... if the TNR investigation is 180 degrees from the Official Military investigation, can we question their Patriotism yet?

73 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:21:59am

re: #63 rourke54

Send him to the VFW. Bet he wouldn't last long there either.

74 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:22:02am

The only thing that could save Beauchamp's carreer as a leftist journalist/pundit would be (ironically) a dishonorable discharge. Personally I hope he spends the rest of his tour digging shitters for real soldiers. Imagine the gripping, thoughtful essays he could compose on that subject.

" Diary day 84
Once again the guys have been throwing recyclables into the latrine and once again I had to go down and get them. I must be the only man with a conscience in Iraq. It hurtsso much to see The New York Times Sunday Magazine laying there in a pile of fresh turds. But I'll keep digging for the truth."

75 BrianA[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:22:06am
76 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:22:09am

They've probably assassinated all the witnesses on BushCo orders, JUST LIKE THEY DID TO PAT TILLMAN!

/you know it's coming, don't you?

77 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:22:35am

Let me see if I understand Beauchamp's point...

He's in the army, a medic of some kind... hes' shipped out to Kuwaitt waiting to go into Iraq... he sees a burned & disfigured female troop in a a mess hall and... by his own admission... he proceeds to make fun of her and laugh at her, provoking other soldiers with him to do so too (even as one soldier is appalled by his insesitivity)... now Beauchamp blames the military and the war, "because I've seen shit" for turning him into such a bad person. Yet this happened before he went to Iraq
In fact, he blames the military for the fact he, Beauchamp, is a smug insensitve liar.

This demonstrates clearly how Beauchamp, like so many young liberal-leftists, is a moral narcissist. Creep.

78 MoonbatBane  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:22:38am

re: #67 lawhawk

Ah, didn't know about the appeals court ruling. Seems pretty limited. Of course, that won't keep the leftscum from trumping it as a full-blown vindication. Agree with your call that it will be appealed...

79 Carridine  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:22:41am

re: #68 Hucbald

Gee, another lying shit-sack libtard. *yawn*


And THIS (Beauchamp) shows why that is such an accurate description:
Liberal with ReTARDed emotional and intellectual maturity, plays silly, childish game and GETS CAUGHT by ADULTS!

/Mweh!

80 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:22:46am
81 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:23:14am

re: #12 Dirk Diggler

I would have preferred a more in depth, point by point refutation from the Army.

Yeah, and I'm sure you'd like General Petreus to give you a neck massage, too.

82 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:23:31am

Speaking of two-bit frauds, a court has sided with the CIA against Valerie Pflamewilson.

She has no plans to ever go away.

83 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:23:45am

re: #53 Peacekeeper

Up next from TNR: Fake but accurate.

Yep. Another Winter Soldier may have melted away, but the leftards will continue to cite it as true.

84 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:23:52am

So the blogosphere claims another old media scalp.

Thanks again to former LGFer Throbert McGee. He acted as the blogospere's eyes and ears at The New Republic and lost his job because of it.

85 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:23:52am

From Sanchez's comments section:

While Beauchamp's claims were not factually true, they illustrated a greater truth about the American military and the insidious effects that Bush's illegal war has one the troops.

Posted by: Moonbat_One


WTF is this guy talking about? It was proven false, it illustrates nothing but falseness.

86 David Simon  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:23:54am

#12 Dirk Diggler - A 4th IBCT Public Affairs Officer makes an excellent point:

Just about every Soldier these days has his or her own digital camera or video camera. Talk to anyone here- every unit down to squad level in our brigade is *required* to have a camera on every mission. It’s all part of being prepared for such a discovery. Surely- there would be photos of the skulls and mass grave if it truly existed, would there not? The reason there isn’t any photos, is because simply- the story isn’t true.

.....I know that if my organization claimed to have unearthed a sizeable cache of hundreds of explosives, rockets, nitric acid and other key components to make roadside bombs, otherwise known here in these parts as a “good news story,” media outlets would rightfully demand some kind of proof to subtantiate our claims. That’s why we take pictures of such things and provide them along with our press releases.

[Link: www.rightnation.us...]

Once again, a liberal media outlet doesn't exercise customary vetting procedures because it wants the story to be true.

87 bosforus  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:23:56am

Here's a story coming out of JihadWatch.
The intro reads:

Yes, winning hearts and minds is going to be tough. But why does Brown assume that if Muslims support suicide bombing, it is because of something that the British have done and can thus undo? What if the support for suicide bombing comes from imperatives within Islam?


Which leads me to the conclusion that Gordon Brown realizes that all he can do is pay them off so that they don't blow everybody up. What's that called again? Oh yeah, extortion.

88 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:25:17am

re: #77 Kenneth

This demonstrates clearly how Beauchamp, like so many young liberal-leftists, is a moral narcissist. Creep.

Yep. Narcissism again. Can't say it often enough or loud enough.

89 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:25:26am

Bob Owens at CY has been trying to track down what happened in Kuwait where the dining hall incident allegedly occurred, and his response from a PAO in Kuwait says that right now this is considered an urban legend or myth. Ouch.

90 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:25:48am

I can hear TNR screaming from here. Sorry Guys, But the old way of doing things is over. It's gotten easy to fact-check you now

OT: Nanocomposites for artificial bone
[Link: nanotechweb.org...]

this stuff looks interesting

91 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:25:58am

What? The Left employed a liar to discredit the military?!? I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

Bastards.

92 wanumba  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:26:10am

Why does this keeping popping into mind?
"Beauchamp, bad boy, bad boy, whacha gonna do when they come for you?"

93 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:26:15am

Military Guys:
Can you get busted from Private?

94 insanity police  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:26:16am

I'm glad that these lies were refuted. But unfortunately, just like the Koran controversy, these terrible lies get half way around the world before the truth is told.

O/T- Insane Kos comment of the day:

* [new] Sorry (0 / 0)
I would rather have a nuclear armed Iran than a nuclear armed United States.

I don't particularly trust Iran but I trust the United States far less. The US has formented far moor wars and caused far more death and destruction than Iran ever has,

Best Wishes, Demena

by Demena on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 04:52:58 PM PDT

95 Charles  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:26:22am

Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."

96 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:26:38am

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)

ART. 134. General Article

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court

97 American Soldier  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:27:00am

The statement below is false.

The statement above is true.


/back to the wearying task of baby-killing and cripple-insulting
//do you need a tag?

98 threeCents  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:27:26am

Question: Would spreading enemy propaganda as a solder of the U.S. Army, e.g., false stories about the military for the purposes of undermining the mission, be classified as a treasonous act?

I don't think that I would feel very comfortable being in his troop in a combat situation.

99 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:27:33am

re: #77 Kenneth

BINGO.

Gotta go ~

100 Shiloh  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:27:47am

Truism of the day: [Link: i12.tinypic.com...]

Safe for work

101 Sunlight[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:28:10am
102 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:28:13am

Diary day 93

" I am so sick of people yelling out: ' Beauchamp FALL IN!' everytime I go to the latrine. Philistines."

103 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:28:16am

re: #93 Peacekeeper

No

104 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:28:19am
the overtly racist right-wing blog, “Little Green Footballs.”

Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes "the truth".

105 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:28:25am

re: #74 Peacekeeper


and digging.....

Good one.

106 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:28:36am

re: #95 Charles

Because people who like Jews are Nazis.

107 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:28:50am
108 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:29:07am
Yeah, and I'm sure you'd like General Petreus to give you a neck massage, too.

Well as a taxpayer I do pay the good general's salary. Why not?

109 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:29:17am

re: #29 Sharmuta

I just don't understand how an opportunist could lie to gain fame and notoriety. It's so unlike them.

/Not.

I too, have now lost faith in all opportunist. Hillery, Obama, Silky... Sorry, but you have now lost any support that I may have had for you.

Which was none.

111 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:29:38am

re: #98 threeCents

Question: Would spreading enemy propaganda as a solder of the U.S. Army, e.g., false stories about the military for the purposes of undermining the mission, be classified as a treasonous act?

I don't think that I would feel very comfortable being in his troop in a combat situation.

Au contraire. This qualifies him to be a senator from Massachusetts.

112 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:29:40am

re: #102 Peacekeeper


Stop it. You're killing me.

113 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:30:10am

re: #95 Charles

So he is upset that we don't want to be nice to people that want to destroy our Country, culture, and our citizens. Blumenthal needs to go live with THEM. As broke as I am right now, I'll chip in for the ticket.

114 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:30:50am

re: #93 Peacekeeper

Military Guys:
Can you get busted from Private?

Yes, from "Private" to "Discreet"... as in the phrase, "my discreet view of the war".

115 Idle Drifter  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:31:15am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long before the Moonbats conclude the investigation was a cover up?

You beat me to it!

116 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:31:33am

re: #90 Jewels (AKA Julian)

117 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:31:45am

re: #95 Charles

Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."

Umm, I'm confused... LGF has members of all races... so exacty which race is LGF supposed to be overtly racist about?

118 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:31:45am

NoSub,

re: #85 NoSubmission

From Sanchez's comments section:


While Beauchamp'sclaims were not factually true, they illustrated a greater truth about theAmerican military and the insidious effects that Bush's illegal war has onethe troops.Posted by: Moonbat_One


WTF is this guy talking about? It was proven false, it illustrates nothing but falseness.

Judging by the name of the commenter, I think he/she is being toungue in cheek.

I've seen the name Moonbat_One around before, though not sure where. Maybe that'll become the moniker for Air Force One next time a Democrat is elected...

119 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:31:53am

He went for the same reason KErry went.

120 threeCents  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:31:53am

re: #111 Crusader Rabbit

I guess you're right. I forgot about Sen. Kerry.

121 wvobiwan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:31:54am

Beauchump is pwnd!

Let's all give him a big dating game kiss....mmmmmmwwwwwwaaaaaahhhhh!

Beauchump is a lying POS - court martial the scum. Then again, I'm sure his fellow soldiers will certainly explain in their own inimitable fashion their displeasure at being caricatured as sadistic thugs.

I have immense respect for any soldier, active duty or not, combat zone or not. But I lose that respect completely when the soldier is a lying, backstabbing, self-aggrandizing weasel - like SB and his role model former Lt. John "seared, I tell you" Kerry.

122 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:32:21am
123 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:32:31am

re: #95 Charles

Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."

The only thing that I am 'overtly' is sleepy.

124 wanumba  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:32:37am

Racist?
Tell Blumenthal to go correct Beauchamps for callously, obnoxiously, condescendingly and racistly calling Iraqi kids, "brown barbarians."

125 Golem Akbar  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:32:54am

TNR used to be a very interesting, albeit liberal, magazine. Now, I'm afraid it's just liberal and predictable. Faux journalism makes it about as interesting as the New York Times and as relevant as Dur Sturmer.

126 Bill Amos  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:32:56am
Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."

Is that like his blog appearing "Overtly Stupid" ?

127 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:33:43am

He clearly exaggerated his role to get Lib street creds.

128 amphibian  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:34:00am

Despite refutations, how long before it becomes part of the accepted narrative anyway? Jenin Massacre, anyone? Little Mo al-Dura?

129 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:34:04am

re: #117 Kenneth,

We're on the side of the human race. As opposed to the Muslim "race". At least, that's what I think he means.

130 ArtistaSLO  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:34:10am

First off, I hate what Beauchamp has written, for the reasons if why and what. His actions have smeared the whole of the military by painting them with a broad brush. His words were was further used by TNR as a tool for their own agenda I sincerely hope that he gets his due.

"...has concluded that the allegation made by..." Which allegation was determined to be false? I know of 4 or 5 horrendous ones. What of the others? The burned soldier reference seems to have been in Kuwait instead of the FOB. Is that what rendered it false? Don't get me wrong, I want him to be held accountable for his words/actions. If he did these things he should be held to account, if he lied he should as well.

I am interested in truth. I hate parsing of words. The notation in the column above would lead a casual reader to believe that all of his allegations have been proven false. We are led to believe they never happened, and that Beauchamp is a complete liar. But in truth, it only says one is false.

Just a thought.

Just so that no one misunderstands me. I am a supporter of the military, this war and the war on the islamofascists. It is those animals that we are fighting in Iraq and around the world. I believe that he Beauchamp enlisted to,(in his own words paraphrased from his blog) get "cred" as a soldier to become a writer. A despicable reason to join the armed services - to later push yourself up, by discrediting them.

131 zmdavid  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:34:15am

re: #111 Crusader Rabbit

Au contraire. This qualifies him to be a senator from Massachusetts.

In order for that, you need to gain complete support from the Democrats in Congress before you are discredited as a fraud. It's probably too late for Beauchamp.

132 coquimbojoe  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:34:21am

re: #90 Jewels (AKA Julian)

OT: Nanocomposites for artificial bone
[Link: nanotechweb.org...]

this stuff looks interesting

Having sold Demineralized Bone Matrices and synthesized human proteins for bone growth, I have to say it doesn't look interesting. Nor all that different from many fillers out there claiming to do the same.

133 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:34:42am
134 BrianA  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:34:52am

re: #101 Sunlight

I didn't say I think anything bad shouyld happen to this guy. I said he should be worried about it.

135 jdun  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:34:56am

Stupid liberals. Still can't figure out that the more they defend Beauchamp the deeper the hole they dig.

Like most liberal news media, The New Republic outright lied to the general public. Pathetic.

136 Golem Akbar  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:35:24am

TNR = Kos. [I love abbrevs.]

137 American Soldier  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:36:13am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

re: #77 Kenneth

If Beauchamp was indeed "a medic of some kind," and was making fun of someone who had been seriously disfigured, doesn't that kind of reflect on his lack of qualification for his role?

I know that doctors are famous for making macabre jokes among themselves, but wouldn't a doctor who was caught out publicly making such jokes have breached some sort of canon of professional conduct?

If you come into the ER with funny underwear, we will make fun of you.
/I still see that Winnie-the-Pooh thong in my nightmares
//must finish gearing up for brief FTX. Later, all. See ya'll next week.

138 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:36:21am

re: #127 Ben Hur

He clearly exaggerated his role to get Lib street creds.

Clinton / Beauchamp '08!

139 wvobiwan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:36:33am

re: #95 Charles

Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."

Blumenthal is just using the standard lefty attack-mantra: 1. They are liars. 2. They are racist. 3. They are warmongerers. 4. They are Nazis.

Lefties usually take them in order, so we've been through 1 and 2 so far. Look for 3 and 4 next...

140 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:37:38am

Right... We are overtly racist because we expose the truth on the War on Terro and ISlamofascism... And of course, we all know that Muslims are a RACE...

DUH!

141 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:37:39am

re: #95 Charles Charles, not gonna go to his site, but if he thinks we're racist, he is an ass.
And, perhaps, a malicious ass at that.

142 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:38:11am

re: #117 Kenneth

Umm, I'm confused... LGF has members of all races... so exacty which race is LGF supposed to be overtly racist about?

The one that's not a race.

/hint- it starts with an i

143 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:38:20am

re: #138 AmeriDan

re: #127 Ben Hur


He clearly exaggerated his role to get Lib street creds.

Clinton / Beauchamp '08!

Forgot to add....

/Moonbat off

144 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:38:24am

Moonbats are not a "race" either!

145 Golem Akbar  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:38:45am

re: #139 wvobiwan

re: #95 Charles


Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."

Blumenthal is just using the standard lefty attack-mantra: 1. They are liars. 2. They are racist. 3. They are warmongerers. 4. They are Nazis.

Lefties usually take them in order, so we've been through 1 and 2 so far. Look for 3 and 4 next...

Don't forget 5. They are not as smart. They love to point out how much smarter the libs are than anyone else.

146 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:39:04am

re: #139 wvobiwan

re: #95 Charles

Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."

Blumenthal is just using the standard lefty attack-mantra: 1. They are liars. 2. They are racist. 3. They are warmongerers. 4. They are Nazis.

Lefties usually take them in order, so we've been through 1 and 2 so far. Look for 3 and 4 next...

You forgot-
Homophobic
Xenophobic
Sexist
Fascist

147 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:39:26am

I love the truth in all of its plodding inevitability. But sometimes the truth has a very ugly sex life.

148 wanumba  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:39:29am

Who was the guy who raked DRUDGE over the legal coals for simply repeating a story he'd gotten from someone else that was later found out to be unsubstantiated?

149 mickthemick  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:39:53am

re: #95 Charles

Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."


Can we refer to Blumenthal as "un-American" and "un-patriotic" then? I hate to use those terms, and I don't want to endorse their usage in this case either, but what do you say about people like him who are so ready to believe every horrible thing about Americans, and refuse to accept the truth even when it has been presented to them in the form of a clue-by-four to the intellect.

150 kozmocostello  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:40:04am

Wasn't it Mark Steyn who pointed out that the soldier who was ridiculing the disfigured woman was Scott Beauchamp himself?

151 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:40:14am

Diary day 97

" My life is a private hell:
'BeauCHUMP get over here!'
'I hear you're getting reassigned to General Nuisance's combat team'
' You been promoted to rear admiral'
'BeauCHIMP wipe my ass'

Philistines"

152 insanity police  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:40:23am

re: #107 savage_nation


Might as well be

153 Buck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:40:30am

re: #18 bryantay

But in this article they say that TNR's investigation proves everything to be true other than the location... who do we believe?

The New Republic has completed their investigation, and, aside from one error—an incident purported to have taken place in Iraq actually took place in Kuwait—everything written by Scott Thomas Beauchamp has been corroborated by current and former soldiers, including five other members of Beauchamp's company, forensic experts, and other war journalists, with assistance from Army Public Affairs officers.

AND these were the same (unnamed) forensic experts used by CBS to verify the Bush memos....

154 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:40:40am

re: #144 Occasional Reader

Moonbats are not a "race" either!

Moonbats are a political party of peace- in our time.

155 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:40:53am
156 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:41:47am

re: #77 Kenneth Hi Kenneth! Where did you see that he's a medic?

157 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:42:16am

STOP THE PRESSES! I have in my possession an SMS text message from 1972 proving that everything Beauchamp said is true

158 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:42:53am
But Sanchez is more than a mere man in uniform. As I reported for Media Matters today, Sanchez is also a conservative pro-war activist whose bio includes a stint as the gay porn actor Rod Majors, (star of such filmic classics as “Beat Off Frenzy”) and an illustrious part-time job as a male prostitute — facts he has acknowledged “leaving ... off my curriculum vitae.”

What a disgusting hypocrite. What a [deleted].

159 wvobiwan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:42:54am

re: #145 Golem Akbar

re: #139 wvobiwan

re: #95 Charles


Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."


Blumenthal is just using the standard lefty attack-mantra: 1. They are liars. 2. They are racist. 3. They are warmongerers. 4. They are Nazis.Lefties usually take them in order, so we've been through 1 and 2 so far. Look for 3 and 4 next...

Don't forget 5. They are not as smart. They love to point out how much smarter the libs are than anyone else.

True, but they've already done that with 'we've back-checked Beauchump's story' nonsense. But you're right, that should be number 1, followed by 'they are liars'.

As other posters have noted, the parallels between Beauchump's history and Jon Carry's is striking. Cowards flock together I guess.

160 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:43:37am

#146 DesertSage:

You forgot-
Homophobic
Xenophobic
Sexist
Fascist

... with that last one often being spelled "Facist". Because we judge people by their faces, apparently.

161 threeCents  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:43:43am

Do you think someone is going to make another movie about a writer passing off fictional stories as fact, e.g., Stephen Glass? Does one pull a Beauchamp or a Glass when this occurs?

162 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:43:54am

re: #151 Peacekeeper,

Deploy him as a Polish Mine Detector. At least then he would provide a useful service.

Until he found his first mine, that is :-)

163 Carridine  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:43:58am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

STOP THE PRESSES! I have in my possession an SMS text message from 1972 proving that everything Beauchamp said is true


I will believe you IF it is signed by Dan Rather!

164 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:44:01am

re: #137 American Soldier

I've worked in a hospital. And while I did hear some "dark" humour from time to time, I never saw or heard anybody ever mock a patient. Never. That was a line nobody even considered crossing.

Beauchamp is blaming the world for the fact he's a loathsome creep.

165 Axiom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:44:10am

Aw man. We're only 'racist' to Maxie Blumenthal?

We gotta step it up folks. Surely we are more than just 'racist'.

166 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:44:29am
167 phil flavin  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:44:30am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

STOP THE PRESSES! I have in my possession an SMS text message from 1972 proving that everything Beauchamp said is true


LOL!

168 wanumba  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:45:09am

No medic! Just some basic medic training they all get to "help each other as first responders." Beauchamp's idea of "helping" as "first responder" is to write nasty little pieces to make his fellow soldiers look bad - and send them BACK FIRST to the USA so when the rest of the hapless soldiers get home, they get spat on.

169 zmdavid  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:45:24am

re: #95 Charles

Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."

Overt as opposed to stealth racists? Would that be OK? I think he said overt because he didn't want to have to build a case.

170 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:45:44am
"His government says that he is a member of Mossad," Mr. Colter, who defended a leading Egyptian advocate of democracy, Saad Iddin Ibrahim, said. "That is the universal vernacular when the government does not have any substantiating evidence."
171 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:45:49am

re: #164 Kenneth Hey Kenneth - you may have missed my earlier post, but where did you see that he was a medic?

172 mickthemick  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:45:50am

re: #155 Ben Hur

Also, longtime Oakland journalist Chauncey Bailey was reportedly researching an investigative piece into Your Black Muslim Bakery before he was shot and killed just yesterday morning.

This assassination (yes, that's what it's being called) is getting big news in the Bay Area because it occurred in broad daylight while the journalist was walking to work. Witnesses described the suspect as a masked individual dressed in black. Chauncey Bailey was an investigative reporter who ruffled a lot of feathers, including those in local gov't., so the list of suspects is potentially long. But now I wonder if the NOI was involved somehow.

173 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:45:54am
174 D'kian_  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:46:10am

Anyone care to bet the "progressives" will bury this article as hate speech? After all, it is derogatory towards Liar-Americans.

175 yesandno  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:46:11am

What a Beauchump.......

176 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:46:24am
As it stands now, the U.S. Army in Kuwait, like the U.S. Army in Iraq, is casting strong doubts on the veracity of Beauchamp's claims, stating that to the best they can determine at this time, the female contractor Beauchamp claims to have abused is either part of an "urban legend or myth."

Who will max smear to explain this one away?

177 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:46:25am

re: #165 Axiom

Aw man. We're only 'racist' to Maxie Blumenthal?

We gotta step it up folks. Surely we are more than just 'racist'.

Slackers. Everyone of ya. Where's the hate?

178 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:46:40am

Trent Lott warns of terror attack, urges people to flee DC.

Way to man up, Trent.

179 Carridine  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:47:09am

re: #164 Kenneth

Beauchamp is blaming the world for the fact he's a loathsome creep.


This is the essence of irresponsibility, and this denial of responsibility is at the core of Leftism! "I am not bad, SOCIETY is bad, so let's CHANGE SOCIETY!"

180 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:47:13am

re: #155 Ben Hur

Last time I was there, the Black Muslim Bakery had a food stand inside the secure area at the Oakland California airprort.

181 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:47:13am

re: #156 realwest

From his own website. He's one smug smug psuedo-intellectual bore: lots of photos of himself preening, complaining about how hard life is being posted to Germany, and -severe content warning - poetry!

182 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:47:15am

re: #169 zmdavid

Overt as opposed to stealth racists? Would that be OK? I think he said overt because he didn't want to have to build a case.

Notice the lack of a link to back up the claim.

183 Sardonicus  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:47:21am

Who are you going to trust, a bunch of murderous illiterate thugs or a budding literary genius, a veritable young Hemingway.

184 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:47:23am

ronaldusmagnus (#6),

Behold the power of the blogosphere.

You said it.

Back then if you were a Lefty wannabe who joined the service (after repeatedly trying to get out of serving) you could get away with any number of damning lies:

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam

And it took twenty years for them to be proven false.

Today there are legions of fact checkers who have instant access to the whole globe.

Thank you Al Gore for inventing the internet.

185 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:47:26am
186 wvobiwan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:48:01am

re: #166 Ben Hur

Bangladesh Slipping Toward Islamic Extremism, Muslim Zionist Says

Can I get a What? What?


What the HELL is a Muslim Zionist?

187 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:48:19am

re: #177 AmeriDan,

I'm afraid if I jack my hate up much more Charles will ban me.

188 Bob's Kid  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:48:45am

Well frost my pop tarts...nobody here seems to be surprised by this development.

I wonder why...

(sorry, I'm a little giddy on the last day of summer school)

189 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:49:19am

"Fake But Accurate"

Anyone, anyone ...

190 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:49:31am
Thank you Al Gore for inventing the internet.

LOL, Geepers.

191 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:50:59am

A Winter Soldier in the finest tradition.

The lad did serve in uniform, but I get the sneaking suspicion he joined not to serve the Army but defame it. The kid was far left journo in college, why ever did he don the green uniform? Do you ever see anyone at KOS saying, "I really want to serve my country in Iraq, I am signing up?" Those are the people who share most of his opinions. Why did he join? Army benefits?

We do know, he gets to Iran and publishes an inflammatory article which his own platoon-mates deem to be factually challenged. The article was called out as soon as it came out. The dog killing and humiliation of an injured fellow soldier (a woman!) are so out of character for basic American service behavior. Knowing American military culture, a person sporting an honorable wound is accorded deference not contempt. TNR's claim on the dog killing was to explain how it is possible to swing a Bradley around to kill a dog but that in no way proves the troops actually engaged in such activity.

What has not happened is a soldier coming forward saying I am Army Pfc. so and so, I serve in such and such brigade of such and such unit, battalion that company this, and platoon this, squad whatever and EVERY SINGLE WORD BEAUCHAMP SAYS IS TRUE.

In the Army you stick with your buddies. There can be no doubt that articles like Beauchamp's really anger the top brass and pressure from above is high but most troops will not lie when ordered to do so. They may accept orders to be quiet about something but not to affirmatively lie. The fact that Beauchamp seems to have no one backing his changing story is deeply troubling.

And let's put it this way, the people on this blog contain may people with military backgrounds and are widely believed to hold what are considered conservative opinions similar to the majority of military personnel- can you imagine under any circumstances where you would tolerate the humiliation of a wounded woman whose face carries the mark of an enemy IED? What would you do to ANYONE who did such a thing.

Take our own Iron Fist, just another poster at LGF, I know for absolute fact that he would beat the crap out of anyone who did such a thing. The described behavior is so far outside 2007 American norms that it is to be disbelieved as soon as you hear it.

Yes rude behavior happens all the time. Young people, in particular can be rude, but only people with severe personality disorders would commit such an act, to do so while wearing a US uniform risks a crushing visit of military justice, time in the brig and a dishonorable discharge.

Lucy Ramirez, the "source" of the Texas Air National Guard faxes, is the only source who will ever back up Beauchamp.

192 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:51:27am

re: #163 Carridine ROTFLMAO!

193 kozmocostello  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:51:28am

Yep, it was Mark Steyn.

194 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:51:54am

re: #181 Kenneth

severe content warning - poetry!


NOT POETRY! GAAAAAAAAAAAA~

OT: Good News From CAIR.

195 LockandLoad  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:52:37am

Really, really hoping he's one of those that gets made an example of and i hope it's for a long ass time.

196 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:52:42am

Are Liberals a Race?

Liberals made me a Republican at the tender age of 'I can read'

Thank God for Freedom
Thank God for America
Thank God for LGF

Charles thank you for your tireless and worhtwhile efforts, they are not in vain

freedom is not free

Live Free or Die

197 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:52:55am

re: #186 wvobiwan

The Muslim Zionist
Does the Koran support Jewish control of the Holy Land?


Palazzi's impeccable credentials as a Muslim cleric include a Ph.D. in Islamic Sciences by decree of the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and years of study with Islamic teachers in Cairo and Europe. A leader of the Muslim community in Italy, he currently serves as secretary-general of the Italian Muslim Assembly in Rome.

And he's a Zionist.

198 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:52:56am

For some reason, I disdain these Scott Beauchamp types more than I do the people who would gladly chop my head off given the chance.

Wasn't it Dante who put traitors at the lowest rung of hell? Perhaps he was right.

199 ArtistaSLO  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:01am

I'm a bit confused as to the singular/plural usage in Matt Sanchez' blog Have all of the allegations been disproven or just one?

After a thorough investigation that lasted nearly a week the 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division has concluded that the allegation made by Private Thomas Scott Beauchamp, the "Baghdad Diarist", have been

"refuted by members of his platoon and proven to be false"

refer to #130

200 mickthemick  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:02am

re: #186 wvobiwan

What the HELL is a Muslim Zionist?

A contradiction in terms, maybe? Actually a Muslim Zionist would be any Muslim who believes that Israel is the historic & spiritual homeland of the Jewish people and that Jews the world over have a right to return there to live as Jews in the land promised to them by the Lord.

201 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:06am

You mean... left-wingers with a blind-faith blood lust agenda to smear the army, smear the war effort, smear the nation, smear the nation's commander in chief... are... LIARS!?!

gosh I'm so surprised....


oh and -- F U Andrew Sullivan - (and your idiot readers) you vile hypocrite creep.

202 easy  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:28am

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

re: #95 Charles


Blumenthal, by the way, refers to LGF as "overtly racist."

Islam is not a "race!"


Racists are not allowed to determine what a race is.

203 gop_patriot  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:29am

OT
has anyone posted about this yet? House erupts in Chaos
Sounds more like the House of Commons than the House of Representatives.

204 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:31am

re: #191 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The lad did serve in uniform, but I get the sneaking suspicion he joined not to serve the Army but defame it.

Yes, absolutely. And isn't it incredible how the plot boomeranged on him?

205 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:32am

#184 Geepers:

razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan

You misspelled "Jinjis"!

206 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:34am

re: #178 JammieWearingFool

Maybe he has gotten the same gut feeling that Chertoff did... Perhaps they ate at the same place?

207 RaiderDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:36am
From Sanchez's comments section:


While Beauchamp's claims were not factually true, they illustrated a greater truth about the American military and the insidious effects that Bush's illegal war has one the troops.
Posted by: Moonbat_One


WTF is this guy talking about? It was proven false, it illustrates nothing but falseness.


#85. You just KNEW they were going to pivot from ``not factually true'' to ``illustrates larger truths'' (ie. leftist falsehoods and canards they WISH to be true) but I've never seen it illustrated so blatantly. Guess thats what happens when you've sucked on the college ``all truths are relative'' mushy moral-equvalence bong for four, five, six or seven years.

208 Carridine  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:37am

re: #191 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The lad did serve in uniform, but I get the sneaking suspicion he joined not to serve the Army but defame it.


Then he is guilty of NOT MAKING KNOWN his reservations to the Oath of Induction. AND guilty of violating that Oath, because it requires 'defending America against enemies foreign and domestic'...
Beauchamp's in a VERY BAD POSITION of his own making!

209 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:53:55am

re: #191 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

can you imagine under any circumstances where you would tolerate the humiliation of a wounded woman whose face carries the mark of an enemy IED? What would you do to ANYONE who did such a thing.

Most would go out of their way to be kind and helpful, IMHO.

210 gymnast  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:54:00am

Beauchamp is the type of shitbird that causes people to think that post partum abortion may be a viable concept in Western Civilization's struggle to preserve itself.

211 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:54:13am

Beauchamp would have had much more "street cred" if he had wounded himself three times and made some crappy home movies before defaming the real warriors he served with...

212 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:54:28am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

I didn't hardly believe my eyes reading that. Abdul Hadi Palazzi will probably be on the "Rushdie" list for these comments.

213 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:54:45am

re: #210 gymnast

Disgusting.

214 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:54:46am

OT: I have an uncontrollable craving for PBJ on white bread, potato chips and soup.

215 gop_patriot  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:55:48am

re: #211 christheprofessor

Beauchamp would have had much more "street cred" if he had wounded himself three times and made some crappy home movies before defaming the real warriors he served with...

OUCH. LOL

216 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:56:17am

Wait for it folks

The Libs will chime in soon enough with their ever present

'fake but accurate' meme

this allows for untruths to be told to 'illustrate' a greater 'truth'

basically they are liars pushing a personal political agenda on others

i.e. FACISTS

Like the MSM

217 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:56:25am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

OT: I have an uncontrollable craving for PBJ on white bread, potato chips and soup.

Any chance you're pregnant?

/drive-by

218 Buck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:56:36am

I want to start a pool....

When does Beauchamp announce he will run for office?

$5 a guess, the winner is whoever is closest without going over...

/just kidding....

219 brent  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:56:41am

Foer and co and fools. Everything that Beauchamp said was true except for the story happening in Iraq. I'm sorry, then first of all, stop saying 'everything'.

Say except for the lie that a cursory exam of our stories uncovered, we dare you to prove the rest. In court, I think the term would be fruit from the poisoned tree: everything else Beachamp says must be considered as coming from a liar.

It seems the Army took that dare and disproved more - has anyone seen more details from that report? More importantly, has anyone noticed how quickly the left side of this argument has switched to smearing?

220 Kirly  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:56:45am

Why do these elitists (blumey) always drag out the racist meme? It's absurd. I've been reading LGF for years now and have never seen a single racist post by the owner. In fact, I have never seen a single racist comment either (not that I can read every comment here - especially now that there are so many!).

Kirls

221 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:57:14am
222 nyc redneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:58:10am

re: #208 Carridine

re: #191 Ayatollah Ghilmeini


The lad did serve in uniform, but I get the sneaking suspicion he joined not to serve the Army but defame it.

Then he is guilty of NOT MAKING KNOWN his reservations to the Oath of Induction. AND guilty of violating that Oath, because it requires 'defending America against enemies foreign and domestic'...
Beauchamp's in a VERY BAD POSITION of his own making!

i bet he was a tainted lib infiltrator. a traitor, actually.

223 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:58:45am

re: #220 Kirly

Why do these elitists (blumey) always drag out the racist meme?

And then turn around and hypocritically out someone like it's shameful.

224 Kirly  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:59:08am

I so want to see this dipshit courtmartialed!

Kirls

225 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:59:42am

re: #220 Kirly

Oh, I am a racist because I dare call Julian Bond, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson racists in the worst sense. And by definition, that would make me racist. At least that's what I've been told. And that makes LGF a hate site, don't you know?

226 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:59:50am

re: #220 Kirly

Honestly, who really cares

Why do feel the kneejerk reaction (or is it guilt) to defend accusations of 'RACIST!'

Please, screw him, this is a free country, these freaks love to stifle speech that isn't theirs by callign people names and forcing them to defend themselves

You know what stop defending yourselves when naems are thrown and they lose their power

Who cares if he calls you a RACIST, I mean really, this is so silly, like 2nd grade

We have nothing to fear but fear itself

227 nyc redneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:00:08am

re: #217 MandyManners

i'm going to make that recipe. how nice on a summer evening.

228 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:00:09am

re: #215 gop_patriot

A twofer!

229 Idle Drifter  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:00:15am

Who first said "Fake but accurate?"

230 ctrlL  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:00:18am
While Beauchamp's claims were not factually true, they illustrated a greater truth about the American military and the insidious effects that Bush's illegal war has one the troops.


Re-write for stupid racists at LGF:
Beauchamp's claims prove that when you join THIS military run by BUSH and are sent to HIS war, you are compelled to lie just to get the real story to the people.
/head ache coming on now

231 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:01:07am

re: #217 MandyManners

Since I quit smoking I've been having odd food cravings.

232 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:01:09am

re: #210 gymnast,

Really late-term abortion. He's in what, his 92nd trimester?

233 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:01:32am

re: #225 goodbye_natalie

So 2nd grade,

The racists name calling tag is beyond silly its preposterous

Anyone who bothers defending themselves from it is wasting air

Just ignore morons - dont feed them, right folks?

234 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:01:45am

re: #225 goodbye_natalie

See, I always thought that I was a racist because I believe race shouldn't be a factor in decision making.... Go figure.

235 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:02:00am

re: #229 Idle Drifter


Search it, I think wiki has something on it

236 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:02:18am

re: #208 Carridine

re: #191 Ayatollah Ghilmeini


The lad did serve in uniform, but I get the sneaking suspicion he joined not to serve the Army but defame it.

Then he is guilty of NOT MAKING KNOWN his reservations to the Oath of Induction. AND guilty of violating that Oath, because it requires 'defending America against enemies foreign and domestic'...
Beauchamp's in a VERY BAD POSITION of his own making!

It's all about being cool and popular. Their image is enhanced among the other people they think are cool and popular by doing these things. It's an adolescent clique based on hippiedom. E.g., would Senator Kerry or Jane Fonda feel like they contributed through their "cool" actions to the ease with which Cambodia and VN suffered the slaughter of 2mil people after our military left the scene? I read that Jane Fonda said, "it's not our fault." The good news for our country is that large numbers of the younger generations seem to be calling bs on this coolness. If we can survive the golden years of the baby boomers, I think we'll come out ok.

237 phil flavin  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:02:36am

re: #217 MandyManners

re: #214 Killgore Trout


OT: I have an uncontrollable craving for PBJ on white bread, potato chips and soup.

Any chance you're pregnant?

/drive-by

And if so, name the unscrupulous cad!

238 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:02:50am

Kirly (#220),

Why do these elitists (blumey) always drag out the racist meme?

Can't prove your case? Pound your shoe on the podium.

239 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:03:03am

Anatomy of a crude smear.

Media Matters (with an assist from Arianna Sullivan) slimes Marine Cpl. Matt Sanchez...

On March 6, several gay bloggers, including Joe.My.God, publicly identified Sanchez as a former porn actor and male escort. Sanchez's prior activities were also the subject of a segment on MSNBC's Countdown With Keith Olbermann. The segment featured Media Matters research fellow Max Blumenthal, the author of this item, discussing his Huffington Post article, "CPAC's Gay Porn Star Honoree, Ann Coulter, and the Politics of Personal Crisis."

In spite of the widespread availability of these facts about Sanchez, the Weekly Standard's Goldfarb identified Sanchez as merely an active duty soldier who "stands by his work."

Who freakin cares if Sanchez is a flambe. It's irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is Pvt. Scott Beachamp's lies.

240 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:03:08am

re: #234 christheprofessor

I just dont have the patience or mindspace to waste on over thinking

I've never bothered to contemplate that much or deep - not a big drinker I guess

241 Cartman  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:03:28am

Preview is everyone's friend. PIEF.

242 Kirly  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:03:37am

re: #233 mglazer


Actually, I don't say defend yourself against the racist meme but do challenge them to prove it. They can't of course and will then follow the typical lefty style of argument / discussion and change the subject. hmmm, had that happen to me just the other day. Conclusion, I'm mean!

Kirls

243 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:03:49am
244 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:04:09am

re: #207 RaiderDan

From Sanchez's comments section:

While Beauchamp's claims were not factually true, they illustrated a greater truth about the American military and the insidious effects that Bush's illegal war has one the troops.
Posted by: Moonbat_One

WTF is this guy talking about? It was proven false, it illustrates nothing but falseness.


#85. You just KNEW they were going to pivot from ``not factually true'' to ``illustrates larger truths'' (ie. leftist falsehoods and canards they WISH to be true) but I've never seen it illustrated so blatantly. Guess thats what happens when you've sucked on the college ``all truths are relative'' mushy moral-equvalence bong for four, five, six or seven years.

The definition of "Fake, but accurate" - reinforcing the myth they've built up for themselves. Hardly different from the "9/11 Troofers".

245 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:04:21am

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

Billy Ray ;)

246 SusanL  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:04:36am

re: #178 JammieWearingFool

Trent Lott is a chicken sh*t. Man up Dude, jeez what a coward.

They are the ones who should face down the terrorists. Isn't that why they were elected?

Could someone bring in a giant broom and sweep DC clean? The cowardice is beginning to smell.

Susan

247 Sgt.Slappy  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:05:40am

Beauchump is derving of far more than what the UCMJ proscribes.

Dirty rat bastard.

Anyway, this one goes out to our guys & gals who are actually doing their jobs, and making us proud... and managing not to shit all over their comrades and the flag either.

With the power of metal I SMITE THEE, Beauchump. A viking you will never be.

248 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:05:41am

re: #242 Kirly

I guess I'm lazy, but why bother seriously, just seems like a wee bit over analyzing - I understand webbies do a lot of that i.e. Fisking, but again I guess I'm just lazy, 'cause I haven't done much of that myself.

249 Cartman  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:05:48am

re: #203 gop_patriot

OT
has anyone posted about this yet? House erupts in Chaos
Sounds more like the House of Commons than the House of Representatives.

The wheels are falling off of the wagon.

250 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:06:13am
251 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:06:16am

re: #233 mglazer

Now that I think about it and before I quit work to become a poor student, I was lending my financial support to BOND led by the Rev. Jesse Peterson. It was set up to help underprivileged youth, most urban black. And since Rev. Peterson has been called every name under the sun, including an Uncle Tom, that would also make me a racist for my financial support.

Oh, and I personally think SCOTUS Clarence Thomas to be a good man and an excellent judge so that makes me racist.

I actually wear the racist tag pretty proudly anymore.

252 Sgt.Slappy  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:06:22am

Deserving.

Damn. I was mad.

253 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:06:23am

re: #233 mglazer

re: #225 goodbye_natalie

So 2nd grade,

The racists name calling tag is beyond silly its preposterous

Anyone who bothers defending themselves from it is wasting air

Just ignore morons - dont feed them, right folks?

Being called "racist" is the worst thing that could ever happen to a El Cubo, so naturally, it's their weapon of first resort.

254 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:06:26am

Blumenthal also reveals the shocking secret that Throbert McGee is gay. Wow... I mean, who knew?

255 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:06:34am

Jewish Jihad is Better
by Steven Shamrak

"It is time for the Jewish people to shake off "Mitzraim" ("Egypt" as a metaphor for internal slavery) and declare our own jihad. This is the fight against self-doubt, self-hate and lack of self-respect. We must unite the Jewish nation, get rid of our enemies and reunite our land. Only when we start to believe in ourselves will the respect from "them" follow."

256 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:06:39am

re: #187 Iron Fist

re: #177 AmeriDan,

I'm afraid if I jack my hate up much more Charles will ban me.

At the very least, you could mock the burka. Because let's face it, that's some serious hating going on to make fun of the burka. It being a true symbol of women's rights and all. An expression of their freedom, if you will. According to certain members of the ROP and not once, since 9/11 being brought up by our liberal "gals" that don't have a problem with it since then.

Ask Nancy!

257 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:06:52am

re: #241 Cartman


No time :)

258 jcbunga  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:07:13am

dispatches from Northern Virginia...the 3rd ID just rumbled through on their vehicles, crushing kittens and driving on people's lawns...non-Asians caught up in their treads...headed to silence some progressive voices no doubt.....they didn't spot me...hang on...choppers. Choppers coming.........nevermind, it was the traffic guy...that's all for now...please tell the world....

259 Bob's Kid  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:07:30am

re: #85 NoSubmission

From Sanchez's comments section:


While Beauchamp's claims were not factually true, they illustrated a greater truth about the American military and the insidious effects that Bush's illegal war has one the troops.
Posted by: Moonbat_One

WTF is this guy talking about? It was proven false, it illustrates nothing but falseness.

That's the problem around here...you people are always thinking that facts hold the answers...sheesh.

/need I?

260 Axiom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:08:12am

I love left wing foundations and their so called journals. My favorite is the Nation Institute.

Here are some fun facts relative to Max Blumenthal.

1) Max is a Puffin Foundation writing fellow for the Nation.
2) The Puffin Foundation awards a yearly citizenship prize of $100,000.
3) Amy Goodman of Democracy Now won this prize in 2006.
4) Max has appeared on Democracy Now to talk about his writing for the Nation.
5) The Puffin Foundation is controlled by the Rosenstein family. It was started by Perry Rosenstein and his wife. The Rosenstein family controls and operates Brighton Best Screw Mfg Inc.

A writing fellowship usually means you receive a set salary and a monthly living expenses stipend. This means that Max and his travels are likely being funded by the Puffin Foundation.

Other cool stuff. The Puffin Foundation funded the work for Jeremy Scahill for his reporting on Blackwater.

261 Kirly  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:08:21am

re: #248 mglazer

re: #242 Kirly

I guess I'm lazy, but why bother seriously, just seems like a wee bit over analyzing - I understand webbies do a lot of that i.e. Fisking, but again I guess I'm just lazy, 'cause I haven't done much of that myself.

Maybe because I still have hope that if their lies are challenged often enough, fewer and fewer people will listen and believe them. Hmmm. I'm a bit old to be so idealistic though, aren't I?

Kirls

262 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:08:27am

Occasional Reader (#254),

Yeah, you had to do some pretty deep investigave work to unearth that.

263 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:08:47am

re: #240 mglazer

Well, I was once told (off the record), after a job interview, that the department I interviewed with wanted to hire me, but first HR had to make sure they didn't need to hire a woman or minority. As it was, they'd already met the quota, so I was hired.

I'm 100% serious...

Sometimes we are forced to contemplate things we'd not normally waste any neurons on...

264 TalkinKamel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:09:14am

Blumenthal also drags up the old Leftist tactic of calling those he doesn't agree with gay, and exposing their supposedly bizzare sex lives. (Hey, it worked with Dr. Tom Dooley!)

(I thought there wasn't supposed to be anything wrong with that?)

265 Strike Hornet  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:09:40am

Christopher Dodd will protect him...

266 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:09:40am

re: #251 goodbye_natalie,

Ain't it funny? Used to be a racist was someone who judged other people based on the color of their skin. Now a racist is someone who judges others based on the content of their character.

I doubt MLK would consider that to be progress.

267 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:10:13am
268 bosforus  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:11:46am

...and it also doesn't help that in the title of the article Beauchamp is misspelled as Beachamp

269 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:12:17am
270 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:13:26am

re: #251 goodbye_natalie

That's crazy. The HR wasn't the brightest to tell you that, it's illegal to not hire someone based solely on their race/gender. The Justice dept. would have a field day with a company HR saying that publically.

271 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:13:42am

re: #263 christheprofessor

re: #240 mglazer

Well, I was once told (off the record), after a job interview, that the department I interviewed with wanted to hire me, but first HR had to make sure they didn't need to hire a woman or minority. As it was, they'd already met the quota, so I was hired.

I'm 100% serious...

Sometimes we are forced to contemplate things we'd not normally waste any neurons on...


They will be checking political views one day. No wait, they already do that. You are their token Boooshbot!

272 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:14:08am

re: #270 mglazer

Whoops,

That was meant for:

#263 christheprofessor

273 abulafia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:14:58am

re: #212 goodbye_natalie

Palazzi is pretty extraordinary, but he's not the only one. Magdi Allam from Corriere Della Sera is also pro-Israel, and he's a Muslim (and not a Copt, as some would have it). Kabyle Berbers (from Algeria) also tend to like Israel, but I don't know if one should count them, since they are fairly secular and do not all like to be called Muslims. The head of the Berber Academy, Mohand-Aarab Bessaoud, sent a letter in 1967 to the then-president of Algeria chastizing him for taking part in the war against "the small, courageous people of Israel". When the police started killing protesters in Kabylia in 2001 (in the end 120 or so were murdered), some of the youth began shouting slogans in favor of Sharon. Here is an interesting article on Kabyles and Jews for the benefit of French-speakers - unfortunately I don't think it has been translated:

[Link: www.afrique-du-nord.com...]

274 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:15:09am

re: #262 Geepers

Didn't you find beauchump's blog entry about his day out with his.... friend?

275 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:15:10am

re: #239 Dirk Diggler

It's far easier to smear Sanchez than it is to try and prove Beauchamp's claims. Hence, the attacks on Sanchez while ignoring what Sanchez is reporting via the PAO at FOB Falcon.

276 Whammo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:15:30am

Surely this is treason...

277 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:15:33am

re: #266 Iron Fist

Yes, it is ironic. I've found MLK is only invoked when convenient with matters having to do with race. When I remind people of the fact that King was both a Christian and wished for everyone to be judged only by "the content of the character", it usually leads to someone stomping off muttering about my misunderstanding of what King really meant.

278 easy  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:16:00am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Since I quit smoking I've been having odd food cravings.


Food tastes differently as well. Hang in there.

Off to cardiac rehab.

279 brent  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:16:01am

Someone needs to remind me why it's the Right that always gets called homophobic? I find myself defending gays fairly often - I didn't know it wasn't progressive.

Two parties that hate gays, one will raise your taxes. Lately it seems that we're really only talking about one party that hates gays and wants to raise taxes (and smear the military).

280 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:16:35am

re: #263 christheprofessor

You can hire someone for their race/gender but it is illegal to NOT hire someone solely based on their race/gender. The fact that the hiring person told you this is a major problem/risk for a company. If that ever went to the EEOC they would be finished.

281 leave iraq now  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:16:45am

O/T

Many of you might already know that Hirsi Ali has an essay at WaPO On Faith that was put up yesterday. There is quite a bit of commenting activity as compared to the essays from the so called "moderate" panelists of last weeks "Muslims Speak Out".

She seems to have stirred the ummah quite a bit with this post as they have come out of their nests and are having their way.

A little show of support from the lizard army might balance things
out.

[Link: newsweek.washingtonpost.com...]

282 Stinky Wizzleteats  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:17:36am

I sent both links over to the Shakepeare's Sister blog, we'll see how crazy this makes them. Expect sliming Matt Sanchez because he's gay (so tolerant) and calls of coverup. It's going to be a bad day in Lefty land.

283 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:17:51am

re: #261 Kirly

Hope is all we have, nothing wrong with that.

Never give up, never surrender

284 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:18:03am

re: #271 AmeriDan

Oh, I'm sure that factors in in university hires (not all departments, but those like Gender Studies)....

re: #272 mglazer

HR didn't tell me that. The dep't head told me that. That's why it was off the record.

285 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:19:00am

re: #281 leave iraq now

What's with you handler/nick?

Why did you choose 'leave iraq now'?

Please explain ..

286 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:19:11am

re: #94 insanity police

I'm glad that these lies were refuted. But unfortunately, just like the Koran controversy, these terrible lies get half way around the world before the truth is told.

O/T- Insane Kos comment of the day:


* [new] Sorry (0 / 0)
I would rather have a nuclear armed Iran than a nuclear armed United States.

I don't particularly trust Iran but I trust the United States far less. The US has formented far moor wars and caused far more death and destruction than Iran ever has,

Best Wishes, Dementia

by Dementia on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 04:52:58 PM PDT

Fixed

287 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:20:37am

OT -

I haven't been able to confirm this, and am at work so can't spend alot of time trying. Maybe some lizards can check into it but....

Talk radio in Boston this am talking about a Business being raided in Oakland CA by FBI and/or Police which has to do with recent threats by "unknown group" to local liquor stores about not selling booze because it's against the koran.

Also said it's involved in recent shooting (in the head) of an Okland news reporter who was investigating said business.

Here's the kicker.. the name of the business? "my black muslim bakery"

Check into this Lizards, no one in the MSM seems to be interested...

288 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:21:14am

re: #285 mglazer

re: #281 leave iraq now

What's with you handler/nick?

Why did you choose 'leave iraq now'?

Please explain ..

Good question.

289 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:22:03am

re: #284 christheprofessor

Whoops, I must have missed that. Yeah colleges are strange & different, someone told me how a lesbian beat him out of a top stop at a university.

290 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:22:14am

Sharmuta (#274),

Didn't you find beauchump's blog entry about his day out with his.... friend?

That's right. His "friend" paid.


Esoterisch

I went to the Museum of Modern Art in Wurzberg today with Jason to see the Bahaus exhibit. It was worth five Euro for sure. Afterwards we had lunch in the art cafe down the street and rocked out to some REM that was playing. Whats the Frequency Kenneth? I took paper with me to the museum and made some sketches...they turned out looking like Modigliani on crack.

This guy is 100% touchy-feely LLL through and through.

And wouldn't ya think he'd at least know how to spell Bauhaus? And Wurzburg.

291 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:22:16am

re: #280 mglazer

Well, that was years ago, so I imagine the statute of limitations has long expired.

But, the point is: hiring somebody on the basis of their race/gender is equivalently racist/sexist to not hiring somebody on the basis of their race/gender.

292 Spider Mensch  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:23:00am

too bad scott b. (alias private schmuckatelli) won't get a chance to read this... I hear his fiancee/wife, whatever, Elspeth (sp), the editor at TNR is quite broken up. hey scott remember that good looking Marine who lives a few doors down from her. he's just back from his second tour in the real Iraq. you remember him, the one you'd always catch elspeth looking at when she thought you weren't looking? the guy you're kinda jealous of...well I hear he's been giving Elspeth that special "consoling" that you used to be able to give, but can't anymore (teehee!). so don't you worry about her, she'll be feeling fine real soon....

/salt meet wound

293 wanumba  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:24:05am

Reminder to all:
From his own writings, Beauchamps said he only joined to get "credibility" and hated being in the military and couldn't WAIT to get out, that he was making the odious investment to get "credibility" for his future opinion pieces on anything military.
No speculation necessary as to Scott Thomas's motives for joining up. He stated them.

294 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:24:37am

Thanks, Charles.

295 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:25:10am

re: #287 Yankee Division Son

Yes it's true, the reporter had been working on an investigative piece on this brutish muslim group.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

296 cpuller  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:26:02am

Max Blumenthal is a turd and as usual the turds are floating to the top.

Support the troops indeed.

This is how liberals support the troops:

"We support you, but we are willing to believe with no corroboration that you committed atrocities. Even when the accuser is found to be lying, we would rather protect the accuser than actually support you."

Why didn't they produce a tape Haditha-style so as to try and bury these brave soldiers? That would be about par for these turds from the liberal sphere.

297 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:26:11am

re: #291 christheprofessor


I agree, I'm not sure if the current law does though.

298 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:26:28am
299 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:27:02am

re: #287 Yankee Division Son

Here's another link to the swat team raid on teh muslim group, 19 are detained.

[Link: www.nbc11.com...]

300 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:27:42am

re: #289 mglazer

No worries, and not surprised in the least regarding your friend's experience...

301 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:28:42am

Stinky Wizzleteats (#282),

I sent both links over to the Shakepeare's Sister blog, we'll see how crazy this makes them. Expect sliming Matt Sanchez because he's gay (so tolerant) and calls of coverup. It's going to be a bad day in Lefty land.

To Lefties, he's the wrong kind of gay: one that isn't a Lefty.

302 leave iraq now  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:29:08am

re: #285 mglazer

Easiest way to understand my position is to read Hugh Fitzgerald at JihadWatch.

He explains it better than I.

This is a good one, but there are several more at JW.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

303 lurking faith  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:29:32am

I wonder if the WaPo or TNR regrets this morning's print story (sorry, no link - I've forgotten Mr. faith's registration login over at their site), hidden in their "Style" section (they sneak a lot of heavily slanted political propaganda into their Arts & Leisure pages):

"Editors Confirm Soldier's Claims"
by Howard Kurtz, WaPo staff writer

The New Republic said yesterday that it has corroborated each of the allegations in an essay written by an American soldier in Iraq by checking with other members of the man's unit.

Nah - they'll stand by it regardless of truth.

I don't know the facts, but I'd be willing to bet that the TNR's version of events bears as little resemblance to reality as does the AP's description of the Sudanese refugees beaten to death by Egyptian soldiers.

TNR's editors apparently were whining that the Army's (official) investigation was interfering with their own (laughable, so-called) investigation. As we all know, it's soooo much more important that a reporter get the story than that an alleged crime be investigated by the appropriate authorities.

Sorry if I'm a bit random today. I just thought this thread was vewy, vewy interesting when juxtaposed with TNR's claims of corroboration, and I foresee a major media fight over B*llsh**'s, excuse me, Beauchamp's claims. As somebody said upthread, if they can make a conspiracy theory out of the Tillman story, the llleft won't be able to resist pushing this story.

304 Indefatigable  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:30:43am

I'm late to the game, but I must say that I love the blogosphere and the Information Age. Never in history has there been such a plethora of methods and means to investigate and determine fact from fiction as there has been today. Just look at the stats:

Rathergate: The most egregious attempt by the MSM to influence an election was stopped cold in its tracks by bloggers who were able to determine, through technology, that the documents pertaining to the scandal were forgeries

Photogate: Adnan Hajj's creative embellishment was easily uncovered by Adobe Photoshop experts

Jessie(Jesse) MacBeth: The fake Army Ranger who put the whammy on the left was shown for the fraud he was by real military people who had access to his badly done image.

There are plenty ore examples out there, but suffice it to say that the reason the MSM is hostile to bloggers and the blogosphere is not because of the competition per se. No, in my view it is the fact that millions out there with just an internet connection and a thirst for facts are constantly calling them to the carpet on what they could previously get away with. LGF lizard Geepers mentioned that it was twenty years before the massacres in Vietnam were debunked. Now give bloggers a matter of weeks and a liar's rants can be shown to be hogwash.

The MSM won't die. They'll always exist in one form or another and I believe everyone knows this. That's why the MSM isn't scared of the competition: they'll always have a job. The crux of the matter is that, in my humble opinion, bloggers are showing them that they aren't impressed by a degree from the Columbia School of Journalism and a prestigious resume. And that kind of contempt hurts the ego.

So be proud, lizards. This information revolution will only gain strength. It will be up to people like Charles Johnson and allies to maintain integrity where so many have failed. You game?

I am.

305 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:31:20am

re: #298 buzzsawmonkey

"Uncle Bruce?"

/sorry in advance

306 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:31:30am

If libs always support the troops no matter the war as they attest, why do they always assume the absolute worst of those that serve?

I'd have more respect for libs if they would cut the lies and simply come out like Clinton and say "they loathe the military." At least I wouldn't always question their truth.

307 cpuller  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:31:51am

re: #298 buzzsawmonkey

One other thing about the Max Blumenthal post. It is clear that part of his fury is fueled by the fact that gay people were instrumental in the move to debunk the Beauchamp story; he dwells on the fact that both Matt Sanchez and Throbert McGee are gay.

"Gay" is not a "race," but if there were a gay-applicable term equivalent to "race traitor," Blumenthal would be using it with abandon; when gays stray off the liberal plantation, "gay" apparently ceases to be "good," and becomes simply another means with which to attack an opponent.


Good call. I always wondered about that myself. It's the same for African Americans as well. If you're an AA and liberal, you're fantastic. If you are AA and support conservative principles then you're an "Uncle Tom", etc., just as they attacked Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and Judge Thomas. At that point, it is OK (apparently to them) to break out all the usual stereotypes and attacks usually used by hate groups. But, as we have all been taught, liberals aren't racist, so it is OK to attack conservative AA's in that manner.

308 wanumba  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:33:00am

So, the Leftie blogs want everyone to discount and dismiss Sanchez's boots on the ground reporting, for homophobic and racial grounds, not the facts of the case?
How is this going over in the Gay community? He's probably GAY! He has NO credibility! EVER! For his WHOLE LIFE! Actually, it's a control thang. Slip from the Party Line and we'll RUIN you.
One, two, three more people today, one and two again tomorrow and so forth who've always considered themselves Liberal decide the Liberal Left is speaking grotesque insanity and will look around for the lifeboats to get off the sinking ship.

309 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:33:11am

re: #290 Geepers

Art, Cafés, music, and Jason paid.

/this makes me a hater, doesn't it?

310 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:35:47am

Greater membership for Log Cabin Republicans coming up...

311 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:37:21am

re: #171 realwest

re: #164 Kenneth Hey Kenneth - you may have missed my earlier post, but where did you see that he was a medic?

OOOOOOOO-man I'm pissed NOW. He's a medic.

Now I feel so low and down. I need a drink!

312 willtay73  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:38:16am

I love this setup in Max Blumie's article:

One reason Beauchamp had to go public was that conservative bloggers were tracking him down. And the reason they were was that a temp who was working as assistant for our publisher was leaking like crazy to right-wing websites. Not that he knew much, but he was hanging around, he went to a going away party for Ryan [Lizza] at frank’s [Frank Foer] house, eavesdropping and then posting on right-wing websites.

That’s how they found out about Scott being married to Ellie [Elspeth Reeve].

Anyway, the guy’s name is Robert McGee. His online pseudonym: Throbert McGee. Not real hard to track down (especially when he’s posting that he works at TNR.)

So they seem to think that it is actually possible to leak information from a new magazine? Should they really need to be that secret that information could actually be "leaked"?

Oh wait, I guess you do need to be that secretive when you are in the business of creating and reporting false news.

313 Axiom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:38:19am

Whatever it is, Blumenthal is connecting with his readers when he brings up all the gay innuendo. If you've ever read the American Blog this talking point just puts their internet traffic on steroids. The comments just fill up rather quickly if there is some raunchy gay sex details.

314 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:39:07am

re: #302 leave iraq now

You can understand that those of us might be a bit perturbed by your political headline right?

Libs say what you nick says not repubs. I'm not saying there aren't deep meaningfull possibly even logical reasons to leave, but the reality is we can't nor shouldn't as outlined by many practical day to day soldiers & generals.

That is the conservative/repub/right-wing line

'Leave Iraq now' sounds over the top even for the Libs who say 'bring the troops home' which is way softer

My 2 bits

Can you sum up why YOU think we should leave Iraq now? Why that would be good for America, for the cause of Freedom, for defeating our enemies?

315 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:40:53am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Hey Killgore! Today is day 1 for me with Chantix and I'm a little nervous because the instructions say take after eating and with 8 oz's of water. My problem is that I take cancer or cancer "assist" drugs some of which I ALSO have to take either with food or after eating and with that proverbial 8oz's of water and I don't know if I can take Chantix with those other drugs! I called Phizer and spoke to their medical folks who said they couldn't answer my question and that it's only been tested with 5 other drugs (none of which I've heard of ) and I can't reach my doctor to ask him about this.
Have you experienced any stomach problems with Chantix? I'd hate to throw up and thereby "miss" a dose of my cancer medication. My Oncologist has never heard of Chantix and he didn't know what I should do either!

316 ErislDysnomia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:42:22am

Posted this over at maxblumenthal.com:


Scott Thomas Beauchamp:

Meet Daniel Irvin Rather.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

What do you think the odds are that it will get by "comment moderation?"

317 lurking faith  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:53:32am

re: #315 realwest
I have no experience with Chantix myself, but I found a forum on it over at topix: [Link: www.topix.net...]

and an information page at [Link: www.drugs.com...] , but it may have no more info than you got in your package.

It looks like nausea is a potential side effect, but it doesn't affect everybody, and some people only a little bit.

On drug interaction questions, you are frequently better off asking your pharmacist in addition to your doctor. Doctors can't keep up with all the drugs, but it's a pharmacist's primary job.

318 Mostly Annoyed  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:58:39am

"While Beauchamp's claims were not factually true, they illustrated a greater truth about the American military and the insidious effects that Bush's illegal war has one the troops." Posted by: Moonbat_One


This reminds me of the forged letter from President Bush's Air National Guard record. Yes, it's a fake letter but IT really happened... Bull***T
Who was the reporter that started that? I just can't remember his name...


I believe under the UCMJ Beauchamp,p is REQUIRED to report the activity he witnessed. If he has not, he should be forced to and after an investigation he should be locked away for a very long time.

319 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:02:02am

re: #309 Sharmuta

Art, Cafés, music, and Jason paid.

/this makes me a hater, doesn't it?

From Scott's blog:

So Jason and I went out on the town last night - walking briskly through the cold air and snow frozen solid to the ground.
...
So we're going out again tonight, with the intention of actually getting drunk.
...
Jason and I have beds on the opposite side of the room and we share a bathroom ...

I'm typing this in the rec center right now and its worth mentioning that "Hungry Heart" just came on the radio...Bruce Springsteen reminds me of home and my innumerable past lives.

...

This coming month is a wierd German holiday a lot like Holoween, only without Conservative Christian counter-protests or razors in apples. 'Tin is going dressed as a traditional Bavarian bar wench, Jason is oblivious to it, and I think I might go as a cowboy from Broke Back Mountain.

...

Yesterday Jason and I decided to forego (sp?) sleeping and left again on a train for Wurzberg. 'Tine was studying for an upcoming oral English exam as well as a monetary functions class and Mel was working, so it was the boys night on the town.
Hotels are everywhere here, and seem to play a very different role than in the States. We got a room at the Hotel Barbarossa,

...

Last night was one of the most amazing nights of my life. Plainly and simply stated. Jason and I took a trip south to Wurzberg, to Club Capitol, which is a giant complex of five clubs and one restaraunt all under a single roof. It was ladies night, so that meant two for one drinks and the women outnumbering the men at least eight to one.
Although we worked through a few bad dancing partners at the beginning of the night, we ended by meeting Kristen and Melanie, two darkly wise and amazing girls who. We spent all night and much of the morning discussing politics and music and eating scones and wandering through the cold twisted German streets looking for the heart of Saturday night.

As V the K say:

My gaydar is Soviet-quality, but his Gaydar Cross Section is like a B-52.

And my personal favorite:

My experience in the Army so far has been a lot like war: long doldrums of boredom intermixed with drunken whirlwind weekends of hanky panky and martini politics...both also lead to anguish and permanent emotional scars. I was invited to participate in the Green to Gold (ROTC) program at SIU-Carbondale, and I started my application packet today. I doubt that I'll get a scholarship due to my lackluster GPA, but at least I'll be coming home and going to school. My goal is to become an incompetent leader that gets fragged by 30 something NCO's at a forward operating base in Sadr City. Heres to the memories and stardust kid. love, Scott

320 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:03:16am

re: #311 Dustoff-507

Sorry to be the one to break it too you, my friend. Have a drink, and take comfort in the fact Beauchamp will be going through some very difficult days ahead. THis will not end well for him, the pathetic creep.

321 SeattleSE  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:04:53am

re: #46 Ojoe

re: #28 Impetus

That's one big problem now, all encompassing politicization.

Even of national self-defense.

I've registered Independent and I encourage others to do so also.

Not to make light of your action but what good does being an Independent do other than allow you the flexibility to decide which of the two political poles you want to choose? The only solution to the politicization (read polarization) problem is a viable third party. Alas, we haven't made any progress there.

322 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:09:29am

re: #319 Geepers

What a pathetic self-absorbed gender-confused jerk.

323 Beagle  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:12:05am

Max really doesn't like gay people apparently. Gay porn may affect a lot of the judgments we make about a person, or not, but journalistic credibility isn't one of them. And "Throbert" has always seemed trustworthy to me.

The Left seems to think its OK to act like a bigot when they need to smear someone. I guess Max thinks he's 'playing' a bigot like some role and that it will appeal to people not of the far Left. Wrong, and wrong. Max is a bigot and it's not appealing.

324 EmeraldLakeEyes  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:13:54am
#263 christheprofessor 8/03/2007 9:08:47 am PDT reply quote

re: #240 mglazer

Well, I was once told (off the record), after a job interview, that the department I interviewed with wanted to hire me, but first HR had to make sure they didn't need to hire a woman or minority. As it was, they'd already met the quota, so I was hired.

I'm 100% serious...

My hubby needs to do this as a construction forman.

325 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:16:58am

re: #317 lurking faith Thank you but a) my oncologist is out today and his oncologist partner said he never heard of the drug(!) and I'm waiting on my internist to answer. Pharmacist said Chantix has only been tested against 5 other drugs but she see's no likely drug interaction, but also wasn't at all sure because the drug is so new.
Drat!
Wish Killgore was still around!

326 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:18:07am

PIMF to my #325 - and b) I'm waiting.....
Sigh.

327 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:18:35am

re: #320 Kenneth

re: #311 Dustoff-507

Sorry to be the one to break it too you, my friend. Have a drink, and take comfort in the fact Beauchamp will be going through some very difficult days ahead. THis will not end well for him, the pathetic creep.

Just because of you Kenneth, I'll have TWO drinks. Care you going me. LOL.

Hope they burn this little turd.

328 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:19:50am

damn (JOIN ME)

Gezzzzzzzzzz.

329 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:20:44am

Morning Realwest...

If you don't know about that drug.. don't take it buddy.

330 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:21:03am

18 August 2007

Memo to File

SUBJECT: CYA
TNR has obviously pressured Blumenthal about Beauchamp. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job. TNR says that everthing checks out but Beauchamp wasn't here during the period he wrote about and nobody remembers him. No word from NYT on this either.

I'll backpedal but I won't admit. His wife agrees.

331 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:21:39am

Kenneth (#322),

Past all the arty-fartsy tripe and his abysmal poetry, I think his statement:

My goal is to become an incompetent leader that gets fragged by 30 something NCO's at a forward operating base in Sadr City.

is most revealing as to his psyche.

332 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:23:14am

re: #331 Geepers

Geepers. That's one sick dude.

333 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:23:51am

Peacekeeper (#330),

LOL. Fake but accurate.

334 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:26:31am

Dustoff-507 (#332),

Yeah. Scott's got issues.

335 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:27:25am

re: #328 Dustoff-507

Pour me a double, it sound like I need to catch up with you.

336 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:29:09am

Geepers,

To Lefties, he's the wrong kind of gay: one that isn't a Lefty.

A couple of months ago Bryan over at Hot Air covered the whole Sanchez-gay porn kerfluffle. At the time, he claimed that Sanchez wasn't gay (NTTAWWT).

I had no idea Throbert McGee was gay. None. Zero. Never in a million years would it have occured to me that he played for Team Fabulous.

337 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:29:11am

re: #331 Geepers

...is most revealing as to his psyche

I smell the sulphurous odor of self-loathing, with a represssed homosexual undertone.

338 leave iraq now  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:29:11am

re: #314 mglazer

Sum up is hard. I'll give it a go.

I use this nick intentionally to provoke, mainly, well, people like you, probably conservative, a great patriot and American.
The left is beyond convincing that leaving Iraq can be a good thing. I have hope more conservatives will see the light.

Our leader, shoeless George, thinks that Islam is a religion of peace. Bush is an intelligent man. He has intelligent people surrounding him. But he and they are lazy and aren't intelligent enough. His main adviser on Islam was Bernard Lewis who told him that "the celebration on Baghdad will make Kabul look like a funeral". Condi knows nothing of Islam and is an expert in "Kremlinology". A neo con if there ever was one.

Do you think our president knows anything about 1350 years of islamic history? Do yo think he has read single book about the teachings of Islam, of Mohamed, or things like dhimmitude, and what these things mean in the common muslims day to day life? I think he has not. I think he is just lazy and ignorant and refuses to change his initial statements about islam since the days after 9/11.

I am not an Islamic scholar. And perhaps I knew as little as he did on that day. But many years have passed. he is the leader of the free whorls with think tanks by the handful at his beck and call. You think he's had enough time to learn a little more than what he shows?

You don't have to be a scholar of islam to understand that muslims are not to respect man made laws when they conflict with the laws of Allah. Laws found in constitutions. They are required to, and show all indications that they do, have respect for their god, Allah, above any laws of man.

Iraqis were GIVEN the opportunity and the tools to break away from the tyranny that is brought by Islamic rule. And what did they do. They have declared in their Constitution that they drafted, with our assistance, acceptance of sharia law.
Sharia law prohibits freedom of religion, freedom of expression. It promotes misogyny, death for apostasy, and..well I imagine you are aware of all the things islamic law leaves to be desired. Those things, that are man made, makes sharia law inherently incompatible with the notion of a free liberal democrat nation.

That is my main objection. Even if we establish a stable democratic nation in Iraq, it will not last. Look at Turkey and what they are doing to their chance at democracy. They are on the brink of returning to an islamic state.

The better reason for leaving is stated by Hugh Fitzgerald and his argument is, and I agree, that leaving Iraq will weaken the very islamists we are fighting. He argues that sunnis will never accept shia ruling them in Iraq. It will be bloody and costly for many people in the middle east if we leave. But we will spend more lives and money trying to bring freedom to these people who show little initiative to establish it themselves (note the Iraqi parliament on vacation this week while our troops walk patrols in 110 degree heat in in full battle gear).

If our goal is to weaken the jihadist, why not let them do it themselves to each other?

339 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:29:14am

re: #335 Kenneth

re: #328 Dustoff-507

Pour me a double, it sound like I need to catch up with you.

Reading that he THOUGHT he was a medic was just to much for me. (-:

340 leave iraq now  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:29:44am

post was too long this is end

And what about Iran. has shoeless George done a damn thing about Ahmadinejad, who says he will accept a retaliatory strike if it means he can wipe Israel off the map. What has he done? That issue is being ignored because we are bogged down in Iraq. What about the islamification of Europe? It is also ignored. never even mentioned. Noda.

I see this war as a no win situation and conservatives are the only ones who recognize the threat of global jihad. The left is not much different than Edwards who says there is no war on terror.

I wish more conservatives would just consider that leaving Iraq can be a good thing. Because if Bush is wrong, how many more lives is it going to cost to prove the thesis of his democracy project?

IMHO, trying to bring freedom to all those "ordinary moms and dads" in Iraq is a very costly experiment likely to fail

341 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:38:59am

Dirk Diggler (#336),

Thanks for the link.

342 Geepers  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:43:38am

To sum up "leave iraq now": If its gonna be hard; don't try.

343 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:47:09am

re: #247 Sgt.Slappy

Drive on Sgt. Drive on.

344 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 11:08:50am

re: #340 leave iraq now

First off I wouldn't disrespect a sitting President of the USA - it makes my skin crawl.

I guess we see the mission in iraq differently

To me it is the center of the war on terrorism, leaving there without another clear target and mission in the WOT is not good.

We need to attack the terrorists where they are, where they live

345 Dustyvet  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 11:13:01am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long before the Moonbats conclude the investigation was a cover up?

Give it about twenty minutes or so...

346 danb35  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 11:28:19am

re: #247 Sgt.Slappy

Beauchump is derving of far more than what the UCMJ proscribes.

It's hardly possible to be punished more (at least by any court in the United States) than the UCMJ allows for--a General Court-Martial can impose just about any punishment short of death for any UCMJ violation, unless the UCMJ article in question specifically limits the punishment. Most articles (including Article 134, the general article that he'd unquestionably be charged under) don't have those limits. No sentencing guidelines under the UCMJ.

347 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 11:40:05am

I found the trick. UStream.tv Feeds doesn't stink as bad if you open it in IE instead of FF.

348 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 11:53:21am

re: #337 Kenneth

DING DING DING!

349 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:08:06pm
350 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:00:09pm

I have been on the road all day.
Just popped in and saw this.
Geez you do work for a day and LGF goes nuts.
I have not read any of the comments, but I am willing to bet JustMyView
has not appeared on this thread. Any Lizard want to inform me?
He never bothered to respond to my comment on the last thread about this on all the made up story's and lies the MSL (main stream liars) has put out, but we are supposed to believe them.
I am sure he did not bother to face the music on this one either.
So who do we believe?
The MSL who has an axe to grind and a political view to push?
Or the US Army?

Me? Well, since the MSL is trying as hard as possible to get a reputation worse than that of a used car salesman...................

351 Ledger1  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:52:49pm

I wonder what Gen. Patton would have done if he found he had a “Beachcamp” in his army. I don’t think it would be pretty.

Anyone care to speculate?


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