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Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 9:56:57 am PST

Sultan Knish comments: Well I’m Done Defending Brussels Journal.

No one is perfect and I am certainly not. I think my former posts on the topic were fairly realistic about what to expect from some European conservatives. And then Brussels Journal put up one post promoting Ron Paul as the American Paul Belien and an article from Taki’s magazine that cheers Jewish Holocaust denier Norman Finkelstein as an inconoclast, calls Mearsheimer and Walt “illustrious academics” and claims AIPAC was behind the invasion of Kuwait.

I’m not sure what the point of this exercise was at a time when Brussels Journal was fighting accusations of racism. Taki is notorious as a bigot, a jailed drug addict and a millionaire whose money finances paleocons like Pat Buchanan who have a bug up their ass about Jews too. It may simply reflect a split going back to old fashioned bigotry.

Charming sections of the article complete with money quotes can be seen below.

Also at Sultan Knish, a new group called “Jews for Ron Paul” appears to be an outright fraud.

UPDATE at 11/16/07 10:07:47 am:

The article at Brussels Journal mentioned by Sultan Knish above has vanished down the memory hole: Access denied | The Brussels Journal.

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1 Le_Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 9:58:47am

RP!

2 Shug  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 9:59:29am

Jews for Ron Paul is like Lung cancer Patients for marlboros

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 9:59:59am

Welcome to the party.

4 TXcamper  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:00:01am

More RP fraud and disinformation. Suprise suprise.

5 Shug  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:00:45am

Jews for Ron Paul is a scam


wait


Jews for Ron Paul is a scam

Better

6 Le_Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:00:52am

"I'm not sure what the point of this exercise was at a time when Brussels Journal was fighting accusations of racism. Taki is notorious as a bigot, a jailed drug addict and a millionaire whose money finances paleocons like Pat Buchanan who have a bug up their ass about Jews too. It may simply reflect a split going back to old fashioned bigotry."
What's not to like?
/sarc

7 Gordon Marock  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:00:54am

What's next, Jews for Jihad?

8 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:01:02am

And the Truth shall set you Free.

/already used my RP points up today. :)

9 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:01:48am

It looks like the mask is completely off at Brussels Journal now.

10 Le_Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:03:28am

Ron Paul is an "anti-Republican" Republican candidate. LOL
oxymoron

11 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:03:36am

Jim C. Perry, the Leonard Zelig of religious political activists.

12 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:03:50am

Wait, is he trying to deny a self-conversion of a homosexual pagan to Orthodox Judaism? The guy wears a kippah and the fringes thing. What more could he want?


Next thing you know he'll tell me I can't declare myself the ArchBishop of the Diocese of Unincorporated Harris County.

13 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:04:51am

RON PAUL 11!1!11!

THE ONLY MAN THAT CAN SAVE THE CONSTIPATION! THE ONLY MAN THAT LOVES AMERICA! THE ONLY MAN THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A BAD BLIND DATE! THE ONLY MAN THAT GETS 1's AND !'s BEHIND HIS NAME!


ROOOONN PAUUULLL!


oh God. I just stopped to think that except for my utter hatred of his policies and the people that support him, I might actually fit in with them.


now wait. wait. I just realized I'm on my 3rd 20 oz. Dew today. and it's only 1pm. nevermind.

14 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:04:55am

re: #7 Gordon Marock

What's next, Jews for Jihad?

Funny you should ask....

15 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:05:00am

Paul Belien (and others) has alienated a lot of people over this whole ordeal. Will he come to his senses? I think not, which is a shame, IMHO.

We have come to a fork in the road, and Charles just happened to get there first (please don't delete the "first" in here ;-) ), and thus be at the eye of this hurricane. How's it said? "You know you are over the target when you get lots of flak."

So, goodbye Paul, Gates, and Fjordman. It was nice knowing you, and the information you conveyed, but you are going where I dare tread not. I think I'll follow Charles down the other path.

16 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:05:06am

Sultan Knish...Never been there before.

I like.

17 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:06:05am

re: #12 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Wait, is he trying to deny a self-conversion of a homosexual pagan to Orthodox Judaism? The guy wears a kippah and the fringes thing. What more could he want?


Next thing you know he'll tell me I can't declare myself the ArchBishop of the Diocese of Unincorporated Harris County.


You can't. I already did it. Bow before me, peon. :) LOL

18 Spiritualized  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:06:33am

re: #7 Gordon Marock

What's next, Jews for Jihad?

They already exist, except they call themselves Jews for Justice in "Palestine"

19 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:08:04am

You know, if Ron Paul had just retired to golfing and fishing after delivering all those babies in Beaumont, he could have had a nice obituary when he died.


Sort of like Jimmy Carter, if he had limited himself to Habitat for Humanity, when his time came, people would have remembered him as a nice man, a little over his head as President, but a nice man.

20 MJ  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:08:18am

Some of Ron Paul's best friends arearen't Jews.

21 Shug[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:08:39am
22 Shug  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:09:14am

re: #21 Shug

re: #7 Gordon Marock


fixed

23 bulwrk  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:09:25am

jews for ron paul caucus site

24 Charles  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:09:30am

re: #16 Ringo the Gringo

Sultan Knish...Never been there before.

I like.

Sultan Knish is good. But something about his site causes Safari to freeze up; Firefox works.

25 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:10:44am

Following the links, here's the complete article Brussels journal linked to....
Mopping up the Israel Lobby


Moreover, the amount of money that is transferred each year from the U.S. to Israel, in private Zionist donations and military equipment as well as public aid, is in the tens of billions of dollars—and this payoff cannot be fully explained in terms of “American national interest.” But what can be questioned is whether the U.S. has come out of this relation entirely empty-handed. And despite the long chapter about how AIPAC mucks up our dealings with Iran, I am not convinced that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his mullah advisors would not be bulls in the china shop of international relations even without the disinformation provided by the Israeli lobby.

Read it. It's quite a jawdropper.

26 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:11:05am

Great post by S.K.

Yesterday I posted about Ron Paul, and got the hate mail I expected. A few people brought up the Jews for Ron Paul group. Too bad for the Paulians that they can't use that argument anymore.

27 nolocon  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:11:08am

Perhance is Milli Vanilli the campaign manager for Ron Paul?

28 Know Your Enemy  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:11:43am

re: #1 Le_Patriot

RP!

Well played.

29 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:11:44am

re: #27 nolocon

Perhance is Milli Vanilli the campaign manager for Ron Paul?


I hear Rosie is lookin' for work.

30 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:12:17am

OT: Devastating ice and snow storm for OKC and MCI for busiest travel day of the year?


Yes!, says the 12Z GFS


Maybe, says 12Z Canadian

31 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:12:35am

Wow, when I did my daily LGF news check, I had to do a double take when I saw my name on top. This is a real honor.

I use Firefox myself. I'll have to download and take a look at it in Safari.

32 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:13:25am

OT -

No open thread yet, but I know libertarian minded Californians will find this interesting.

In the evacuation of eastern Poway during the recent fires i was arrested and forcibly removed from private property. Without going into detail, I had planned to stay and fight the fire given that I have some experience doing so and would not get myself killed. I was sharpening my chainsaw when I was picked up - two deputies ordered me to leave, I refused, they repeated the order, I refused, they grabbed my arms and carried me to their car then offered to not book me if I drove out in my truck, which I did.

I sought from my attorney whether I was falsely arrested. Turns out that I was on private property (not mine) but also on an easement (I had just cleared a tree that was blocking the roadway - a private road the served 11 homes but now serves 2 ). Apparently the notion that you can't be forced to leave in a mandatory evacuation applies to being in your home - they can't come into your home to evict without a warrant, and getting one isn't practical. It is not clear to me if the same applies if you are standing on your own land. The easement, otoh, gives authorities access without a warrant.

Practically, I should have stayed in my home till the cops bolted - firefighters aren't going to arrest you are call folks in unless you are impeding them.

Lesson learned.

33 Kenneth  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:14:23am

Canada's top court will not hear the appeals of two American army deserters whose requests for refugee status were denied.

The Supreme Court of Canada refused Thursday to hear the cases of Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, who each deserted to Canada in 2004 after learning they were to be deployed to Iraq. The high court, as usual, gave no reasons for its refusal.

The men both applied for refugee status in 2004.

The Immigration and Refugee Board rejected their claims in 2005. The Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeal have also refused to review the cases.

Hinzman is believed to be the first American soldier to have fled to Canada because of the Iraq war, but dozens more may be in the country. He enlisted in the U.S. army as a paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne Division and deserted in 2004 to avoid going to Iraq. He fled to Canada with his wife and preschool-age son.

Now living in Toronto and working as a bike courier, Hinzman faces a court martial and a possible five-year prison sentence if he returns to the U.S.

"We call on Parliament to take a stand by enacting a provision that would allow U.S. war resisters and their families to stay in Canada," said actor and activist Shirley Douglas*.

Boo-hoo.

*Shirley Douglas is the mother of actor Keifer Sutherland.

34 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:14:40am
35 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:14:55am

Clre: #26 insanity police

Classic Paultard Digg retort proving they really don't understand what "constitutional" means.

"Isn't that one of our constitutional rights, you know, to believe in whatever you want to without persecution? If HE wanted to be a "Pagan Minister" AND an Orthodox Jew that's HIS business"

36 Kenneth  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:15:07am

re: #31 sultan_knish

Nice blog you got there!

37 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:15:32am

Pamela's defense has been "Why would Nazis support Israel and hang out with Jews?"
Because they are exploiting people like Pamela who are gullible enough to give them credibility. They don't support Israel and would round up the Jews at their first opportunity. Their real intentions are very clear and they are happy to exploit useful idiots (especially the Jewish ones).

38 Shug  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:15:40am

re: #31 sultan_knish

Wow, when I did my daily LGF news check, I had to do a double take when I saw my name on top. This is a real honor.

I use Firefox myself. I'll have to download and take a look at it in Safari.

tasty knish there , knish

39 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:15:56am

re: #35 sultan_knish

LOL.

Congrats on an important article!

40 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:16:33am

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

I get nothing but the Whirling Ball of Death when I try to access the Sultan Knish site...

See Charles post #24.

41 Charles  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:16:43am

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

I get nothing but the Whirling Ball of Death when I try to access the Sultan Knish site. I don't know if that is due to overwhelming traffic, or something in the site itself, but I regret not being able to read the source material directly.

See #24 -- Safari doesn't like something on the site. Firefox works fine.

42 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:17:06am

re: #31 sultan_knish

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention. I saw the article at Brussels Journal but I never bothered to follow the link. It's quite an eye opener.

43 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:17:16am

re: #27 nolocon

Perhance is Milli Vanilli the campaign manager for Ron Paul?

The live one or the dead one?

44 BabbaZee  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:17:37am

~ sultan_knish ~

I salute you

45 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:17:40am

re: #31 sultan_knish

Nice to meet you Mr. Knish.

46 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:18:17am

I'm sorry some people are having trouble accessing the blog, it seems to work okay for me, but I've reposted the posts on another blog too

[Link: jchannel.blogspot.com...]

[Link: jchannel.blogspot.com...]

47 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:18:22am

re: #7 Gordon Marock

What's next, Jews for Jihad?

I think that group calls itself "Jews for Palestine"

48 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:18:45am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Pamela's defense has been "Why would Nazis support Israel and hang out with Jews?"
Because they are exploiting people like Pamela who are gullible enough to give them credibility. They don't support Israel and would round up the Jews at their first opportunity. Their real intentions are very clear and they are happy to exploit useful idiots (especially the Jewish ones).

hmmm.....that sounds familiar, does it not?

49 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:19:20am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Pamela's defense has been "Why would Nazis support Israel and hang out with Jews?"
Because they are exploiting people like Pamela who are gullible enough to give them credibility. They don't support Israel and would round up the Jews at their first opportunity. Their real intentions are very clear and they are happy to exploit useful idiots (especially the Jewish ones).

The key to being a successful bad guy is to appear to be a good guy.

50 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:20:50am

re: #49 The Other Les

re: #37 Killgore Trout


Pamela's defense has been "Why would Nazis support Israel and hang out with Jews?"
Because they are exploiting people like Pamela who are gullible enough to give them credibility. They don't support Israel and would round up the Jews at their first opportunity. Their real intentions are very clear and they are happy to exploit useful idiots (especially the Jewish ones).

The key to being a successful bad guy is to appear to be a good guy.

made me think of the Princess Bride...

" ...So I can therefore CLEARLY not drink from the cup that is in front of me" - or something like that.

51 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:21:11am

re: #33 Kenneth

wasnt shirley douglas the mom on the partridge family?

Oh, that was shirley jones.

Shirley, you jest

52 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:21:36am
53 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:21:49am

re: #51 Eowyn2

re: #33 Kenneth

wasnt shirley douglas the mom on the partridge family?

Oh, that was shirley jones.

Shirley, you jest


Michael Douglas was the mom on The Partridge Family, silly.

54 thanos  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:21:56am

Let all the poisons that lurk etc.

55 ec marm  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:21:59am
Jim C. Perry, the Executive Director of Jews for Ron Paul and heavily featured as the spokesman for the front group.


He has a certain Churchill quality about him, though. Ward Churchill, that is.

56 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:22:22am

Sorry to double post this.

Charles had a post over the summer about the possibility of this: Bush Weighs 'Reaching Out' to Muslim Brotherhood. It looks like the fear has become a reality: U.S. engages Muslim Brotherhood despite Rice

The United States has resumed contacts with Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood despite Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's 2005 commitment not to "engage" with the banned group — a move that could strain relations with President Hosni Mubarak's government.


--snip--

The Muslim Brotherhood is not on the U.S. list of foreign terrorist organizations, which includes Palestinian Hamas and Lebanon's Hezbollah — both represented in their respective parliaments.


Lest anyone (are you listening Bush, McFly...hellloooo) be in doubt about the goals of the Muslim Brotherhood and the fact that they are a terrorist organization:Rod Dreher: What the Muslim Brotherhood means for the U.S. (Memo lays bare group's plans to destroy U.S. from within)

The president apparently missed the smoking-gun 1991 document his own Justice Department introduced into evidence at the Holy Land Foundation trial in Dallas. The FBI captured it in a raid on a Muslim suspect's home in Virginia.

This "explanatory memorandum," as it's titled, outlines the "strategic goal" for the North American operation of the extremist Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan). Here's the key paragraph:

The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.

The entire 18-page platform outlines a plan for the long haul. It prescribes the Muslim Brotherhood's comprehensive plan to set down roots in civil society. It begins by both founding and taking control of American Muslim organizations, for the sake of unifying and educating the U.S. Muslim community – this to prepare it for the establishment of a global Islamic state governed by sharia.

It sounds like a conspiracy theory out of a bad Hollywood movie – but it's real. Husain Haqqani, head of Boston University's Center for International Relations and a former Islamic radical, confirms that the Brotherhood "has run most significant Muslim organizations in the U.S." as part of the plan outlined in the strategy paper.

57 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:22:23am

re: #51 Eowyn2

re: #33 Kenneth

wasnt shirley douglas the mom on the partridge family?

Oh, that was shirley jones.

Shirley, you jest

Shirley Jones.

(niiiiiiiiice...)

58 nolocon  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:22:44am

re: #43 The Other Les

re: #27 nolocon

Perhance is Milli Vanilli the campaign manager for Ron Paul?

The live one or the dead one?

RON PAUL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE:
Milli Vanilli
Mary Mapes
Jimmy Carter
Hans Blix
The guys with that huge bank account in Nigeria

59 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:23:06am

re: #53 Owl

re: #51 Eowyn2

re: #33 Kenneth

wasnt shirley douglas the mom on the partridge family?

Oh, that was shirley jones.

Shirley, you jest


Michael Douglas was the mom on The Partridge Family, silly.

[PUUUUUUUUKE!]

60 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:23:18am

The "Jews for Ron Paul" story has traction.

Rootless Cosmopolitan:

Head of “Jews for Ron Paul” is a gay Unitarian/Pagan/Quaker/Whatever
Really.

These Ron Paul bastards are the some of the most fanatical and unscrupulous characters in American political life.

HT: lgf.

61 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:23:32am

re: #50 Owl
you have a truly dizzying intellect.


You have fallen victim to one of the famous of all blunders.

The most famous is getting involved in a land war in asia but only slightly less well known is never go up against a sicilian when death is on the line

62 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:23:37am

Yesterday, I was bothered by the amount of people in an afternoon thread who "hadn't kept up with this fight" and "just wished we could be friends again". I understand the not keeping up part, I've got 4 young kids and time is precious. It seems to me, though, that a quick glance at the many synopsis threads or even a run over there to see what they say shows this is not a simple misunderstanding. The many we thought were of good will are either "pure race" fascists or think we can "use all the friends we can get" at this time. They are both wrong and Charles was right to call them on this.

I don't like conflict. This is not fun for anyone. Charles' "mistake" was pulling the sheet up and looking closely when he was just supposed to jump ahead assuming the best.

63 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:23:38am

re: #46 sultan_knish

You've been cited on The American Thinker.

Check it out.

64 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:25:10am

re: #61 Eowyn2

re: #50 Owl
you have a truly dizzying intellect.


You have fallen victim to one of the famous of all blunders.

The most famous is getting involved in a land war in asia but only slightly less well known is never go up against a sicilian when death is on the line


STOP IT. I snorted and now everyone thinks I'm drunk at work. :) hahahaa


" Is he dead?"
" He's only mostly dead."

65 doppelganglander  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:25:28am

re: #33 Kenneth

Does that mean we have to take them back? Maybe they could be dropped off at, say, Fort Campbell. 'Cause I'm sure his old buddies would love to see Hinzman.

66 BabbaZee  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:26:05am

When playing six degrees of Vlaams Belang one always encounters the Apostle Ron Paul.

67 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:26:13am

re: #58 nolocon

re: #43 The Other Les


re: #27 nolocon

Perhance is Milli Vanilli the campaign manager for Ron Paul?


The live one or the dead one?

RON PAUL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE:
Milli Vanilli
Mary Mapes
Jimmy Carter
Hans Blix
The guys with that huge bank account in Nigeria

And the guys who claim to be the security department at Paypal and ebay.

68 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:27:03am

re: #66 BabbaZee

When playing six degrees of Vlaams Belang one always encounters the Apostle Ron Paul.

I'm now waiting for the Pope Ron Paul.

69 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:27:12am

re: #61 Eowyn2

re: #50 Owl
you have a truly dizzying intellect.


You have fallen victim to one of the famous of all blunders.

The most famous is getting involved in a land war in asia but only slightly less well known is never go up against a sicilian when death is on the line

Both cups are poisoned!

70 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:27:30am
I’m not sure what the point of this exercise was at a time when Brussels Journal was fighting accusations of racism.

They're not exactly "fighting" the accusations. It's more like they're trying to justify them.

71 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:28:40am

re: #27 nolocon

Perhance is Milli Vanilli the campaign manager for Ron Paul?

ROFL.

It's the anniversary you know? Funny, their Grammy was pulled and I don't think you can get a Milli Vanilli record anywhere (even on ebay) but now lip syncing is de regieur.

72 BabbaZee  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:28:43am

Charles,
you have to get him to add a neo nazi rune worshipping skinhead to the masthead cartoon.

With porkchop sideburns.

later lizards

73 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:28:58am

re: #63 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #46 sultan_knish

You've been cited on The American Thinker.

Check it out.

This has the potential to be huge news. Looks like American Thinker wants to double check all sources first.

74 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:29:32am
75 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:29:35am

The "Jews" for Ron Paul!, if they were for real, could only be the NKs.

/jews for jihad

76 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:29:37am

re: #50 Owl

made me think of the Princess Bride...

OK, how about "You keep using that phrase 'Why would Nazis support Israel and hang out with Jews?' I do not think it means what you think it means".

/Inigo Montoyo

77 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:29:44am

Thank you, Ringo, Baba Zee for the song dedication, Kenneth, Shug, Insanity Police and Charles of course

again for anyone having trouble with the posts in Safari try

[Link: jchannel.blogspot.com...]

[Link: jchannel.blogspot.com...]

The JChannel versions seem to load fine in the PC version of Safari. Sultan loads too much slowly and there appears to be a problem with something in the sidebar. Will have to look into it.

78 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:30:04am

re: #63 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #46 sultan_knish

You've been cited on The American Thinker.

Check it out.

You're also getting play at Hot Air as well.

79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:30:24am

Ron Paulfarb!

80 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:30:33am

re: #31 sultan_knish

Wow, when I did my daily LGF news check, I had to do a double take when I saw my name on top. This is a real honor.

I use Firefox myself. I'll have to download and take a look at it in Safari.

Props Sultan!

81 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:30:56am

re: #72 BabbaZee

With porkchop sideburns.

Hey...What's wrong with mutton-chops?

82 thanos  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:31:08am

re: #66 BabbaZee

When playing six degrees of Vlaams Belang one always encounters the Apostle Ron Paul.


Babba, That is hilarious. :)

83 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:31:10am

re: #64 Owl

re: #61 Eowyn2


re: #50 Owl
you have a truly dizzying intellect.


You have fallen victim to one of the famous of all blunders.

The most famous is getting involved in a land war in asia but only slightly less well known is never go up against a sicilian when death is on the line


STOP IT. I snorted and now everyone thinks I'm drunk at work. :) hahahaa


" Is he dead?"
" He's only mostly dead."


Why does wesley need help
He's been mostly dead all day

84 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:31:19am

re: #66 BabbaZee

Hey Babba!,

A quick Hello, before Goodbye. I've been enjoying your site immensely. It's good work you're doing there. Lots of effort, and fruitful.

Shalom.

85 Orde  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:31:23am

re: #7 Gordon Marock

What's next, Jews for Jihad?

re: #14 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #7 Gordon Marock

What's next, Jews for Jihad?

Funny you should ask....

Yep, Jews for Allah exists, but their expressions don't sound so Jewish (I once read and reviewed an Islamic apologetics book because Jews for Allah described it as "the apocalypse of literature"), so I'm not sure about that group even being Jewish background

86 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:31:51am

Meanwhile the White Supremacists at Brussels Journal have the gall to fake outrage over the BuckWheat controversy....
She Wasn’t Talking Pancakes

This is a site that recently wrote about the genetic inferiority of blacks.

87 realwest  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:32:10am

re: #25 Killgore Trout But, but - I thought they supported Israel?
/do I really need to?

88 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:32:28am

re: #69 insanity police

re: #61 Eowyn2


re: #50 Owl
you have a truly dizzying intellect.


You have fallen victim to one of the famous of all blunders.

The most famous is getting involved in a land war in asia but only slightly less well known is never go up against a sicilian when death is on the line


Both cups are poisoned!


Oh crap. I'm " Spock". uugh.

89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:32:56am

re: #71 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #27 nolocon

Perhance is Milli Vanilli the campaign manager for Ron Paul?

ROFL.

It's the anniversary you know? Funny, their Grammy was pulled and I
don't think you can get a Milli Vanilli record anywhere (even on ebay)
but now lip syncing is de regieur.

I also can't find the infamous lip-sync "live" performance anywhere online & I remember watching that happen on MTV (in my day, MTV played music videos. You kids probably don't realize that).

90 Peacekeeper  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:33:14am

BIG KNISH IS RIPPING US OFF!

91 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:33:18am

re: #87 realwest

Heh.

92 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:33:23am

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you for the catch. Fixed the link color now

93 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:33:25am

re: #86 Killgore Trout

What flaming hypocrites!

94 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:33:38am

re: #72 BabbaZee
I was thinking the same thing a few days ago.

95 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:33:44am

Latest on Very Severe Tropical Cyclone Sidr, which made landfall a few hours ago near the border of India and Bangladesh.

The latest breaking, per Storm2K, is that 300 fishing boats, carrying over a thousand men were not able to make it back to port, and are presumed lost in the 12 meter waves.

Weather Underground storm surge map- very bad.

96 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:33:47am

Well, the few posts that reference Princess Bride have made me think of this, only as pertains to Harry Potter and Voldemort:

"My name is Harry Potter. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

97 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:34:14am

re: #76 Spenser (with an S)


perfect!


Haaaalo. My name is Charles Montoya. You killed my football. Prepare to die.

every time i see a little green football, for some reason - and I'm being totally honest here - it reminds me of boogers. sorry.

98 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:35:57am

re: #96 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Well, the few posts that reference Princess Bride have made me think of this, only as pertains to Harry Potter and Voldemort:

"My name is Harry Potter. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

My name is Harry Potter, you killed my father you son of a bitch, prepare to die.

99 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:36:00am

How does one pronounce "knish"? As "nish" or, is the "k" pronounced?

100 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:36:26am

i think everyone went to lunch.

heeeeelllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :)

101 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:36:27am

re: #97 Owl

re: #76 Spenser (with an S)


perfect!


Haaaalo. My name is Charles Montoya. You killed my football. Prepare to die.

every time i see a little green football, for some reason - and I'm being totally honest here - it reminds me of boogers. sorry.

sure, you roll them up and flick them.

102 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:36:27am

The Princess Bride?

"I suppose you think you're brave?"

"Only compared to some."

103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:36:47am

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile the White Supremacists at Brussels Journal have the gall to fake outrage over the BuckWheat controversy....
She Wasn’t Talking Pancakes

This is a site that recently wrote about the genetic inferiority of blacks.

As long as no one insults Velvet Jones, that's when I start the seething.

104 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:37:02am

That guy is everything BUT a Jew.

105 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:37:20am

OT

Does anyone know of good source material laying out the various sharia laws?

106 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:37:29am

re: #78 lawhawk

Wow, very cool on the Hot Air cite.

American Thinker naturally wants proof but this isn't an IP address issue. I've linked to the various versions of Perry's biography as he went from Billerica to New Hampshire. Soon Perry himself will probably step forward and issue some version of "If I contradict myself, I contain multitudes"

107 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:37:51am

re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #71 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #27 nolocon

Perhance is Milli Vanilli the campaign manager for Ron Paul?

ROFL.

It's the anniversary you know? Funny, their Grammy was pulled and I
don't think you can get a Milli Vanilli record anywhere (even on ebay)
but now lip syncing is de regieur.


I also can't find the infamous lip-sync "live" performance anywhere online & I remember watching that happen on MTV (in my day, MTV played music videos. You kids probably don't realize that).

No, I was there for the premier of MTV- Video Killed the Radio Star. My best friend and I once taped "Thriller" and actually learned all of the steps.

Martha Quinn was our favorite VJ. We thought she was cool.

108 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:38:18am

re: #90 Peacekeeper

BIG KNISH IS RIPPING US OFF!

AND STUFFING HIS POCKETS WITH DOUGH

109 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:38:48am

re: #79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ron Paulfarb!

Ron Paulfarb Please Come Home?

110 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:38:49am

re: #101 Eowyn2

re: #97 Owl


re: #76 Spenser (with an S)


perfect!


Haaaalo. My name is Charles Montoya. You killed my football. Prepare to die.

every time i see a little green football, for some reason - and I'm being totally honest here - it reminds me of boogers. sorry.


sure, you roll them up and flick them.


People, I'm eating!

111 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:39:02am
112 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:39:24am

re: #108 sultan_knish

re: #90 Peacekeeper


BIG KNISH IS RIPPING US OFF!

AND STUFFING HIS POCKETS WITH BAGEL DOUGH

Fixed!

113 realwest  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:39:29am

re: #108 sultan_knish ROTFLMAO!

114 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:39:34am

re: #103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #86 Killgore Trout


Meanwhile the White Supremacists at Brussels Journal have the gall to fake outrage over the BuckWheat controversy....
She Wasn’t Talking Pancakes

This is a site that recently wrote about the genetic inferiority of blacks.


As long as no one insults Velvet Jones, that's when I start the seething.

my cousin used to call me buckwheat when we were kids - and it wasn't a racial thing at all. we just liked buckwheat from Little Rascals. so the whole thing just puzzles me. and we were in the racist south too. go figure.

115 Dianna  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:39:48am

OT:

Yesterday, I mentioned an exercise in San Jose for a bioterrorist attack. My friend who was one of (as he put it) the screaming casualties has posted a report on the exercise from his inside view. It's very brief, only a few paragraphs, but if you'd like a be afraid, be very afraid look at how our first responders are prepping for an attack, have a look.

The link is the second entry - Golden Guardian

My favorite passage, as discussed with the author last night after practice:

They also didn't screen for sh*t - they had metal detectors up, but Kelly and I waltzed in with both of our mini-mags without them even noticing (I was evil, and asked one of the referees if they wanted a bonus secondary device. He thought it was a great idea, but too far off-script. Too bad - I think I could have gotten it into their exercise CP).

116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:40:03am

re: #109 Ward Cleaver

re: #79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ron Paulfarb!

Ron Paulfarb Please Come Home?

I never heard of that movie, but that looks pretty funny.

117 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:40:06am

re: #95 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Holy Crap! re: those storm surges! How far inland would 20-30ft surge go in those low-lying areas? Must be miles. I'm glad it missed most of India so my SiL is safe.

118 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:40:08am

re: #110 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #101 Eowyn2


re: #97 Owl

re: #76 Spenser (with an S)
perfect!


Haaaalo. My name is Charles Montoya. You killed my football. Prepare to die.

every time i see a little green football, for some reason - and I'm being totally honest here - it reminds me of boogers. sorry.


sure, you roll them up and flick them.

People, I'm eating!

Not anymore you ain't!

119 scaramouche  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:40:40am

Der Spiegel's piece on the demise of the Euro-racists.

120 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:40:47am

re: #106 sultan_knish

re: #78 lawhawk

Wow, very cool on the Hot Air cite.

American Thinker naturally wants proof but this isn't an IP address issue. I've linked to the various versions of Perry's biography as he went from Billerica to New Hampshire. Soon Perry himself will probably step forward and issue some version of "If I contradict myself, I contain multitudes"


I think that you ought to have your ducks in a row in any event.

121 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:41:03am

From Sultan Knish:


Jim C. Perry, Gay Pagan Unitarian Minister (possibly also Cherokee and Mormon), thanks to a few photos in costume, is being passed off as an Orthodox Jew.

Well, can't fault him for not being ecumenical ... certainly has all the bases covered.

tool.

re: #66 BabbaZee

When playing six degrees of Vlaams Belang one always encounters the Apostle Ron Paul.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

So, why is it that some folks around here have been claiming that if Nor Luap runs as an independent he will get Hillary elected? More likely the opposite -- he'd draw off the radical anti-war, anti-semite, moonbattus robustus members of the Democrats.

122 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:41:20am

re: #112 Ward Cleaver

re: #108 sultan_knish

re: #90 Peacekeeper


BIG KNISH IS RIPPING US OFF!


AND STUFFING HIS POCKETS WITH BAGEL DOUGH

Fixed!

What's the difference between karate & judo?
Karate is a form of self-defense & Ju-do is what bagels are made of (it's funnier said than read).

123 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:41:27am

re: #111 buzzsawmonkey

I resemble that remark (the cooking bit).

124 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:41:32am

re: #116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #109 Ward Cleaver


re: #79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ron Paulfarb!

Ron Paulfarb Please Come Home?

I never heard of that movie, but that looks pretty funny.

I've seen it, but it was a million years ago. The harem scenes are pretty funny, and the King (Peter Ustinov) is a hoot!

125 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:42:01am

re: #122 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #112 Ward Cleaver


re: #108 sultan_knish

re: #90 Peacekeeper

BIG KNISH IS RIPPING US OFF!

AND STUFFING HIS POCKETS WITH BAGEL DOUGH

Fixed!

What's the difference between karate & judo?
Karate is a form of self-defense & Ju-do is what bagels are made of (it's funnier said than read).

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

126 BabbaZee  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:42:17am

re: #81 Ringo the Gringo

Hey...What's wrong with mutton-chops?


Nothing, intrinsically ....
Aesthetically?.... Weeeeeeelll
that's another story
it's just one of those insidious little inside jokes.


MB LEVI:
Thank you for saying that &
Shalom .... Here's to you before I fly

127 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:42:48am

re: #115 Dianna


Thank you. I'll check this out tonight when I'm not on net lock-down.

128 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:43:18am

re: #121 Lucius Septimius

From Sultan Knish:



Jim C. Perry, Gay Pagan Unitarian Minister (possibly also Cherokee and Mormon), thanks to a few photos in costume, is being passed off as an Orthodox Jew.

Well, can't fault him for not being ecumenical ... certainly has all the bases covered.

tool.

re: #66 BabbaZee


When playing six degrees of Vlaams Belang one always encounters the Apostle Ron Paul.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

So, why is it that some folks around here have been claiming that if Nor Luap runs as an independent he will get Hillary elected? More likely the opposite -- he'd draw off the radical anti-war, anti-semite, moonbattus robustus members of the Democrats.

He's said he won't run as an indy, nor endorse the GOP candidate. If you believe that...

129 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:43:25am

re: #114 Owl

re: #103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #86 Killgore Trout


Meanwhile the White Supremacists at Brussels Journal have the gall to fake outrage over the BuckWheat controversy....
She Wasn’t Talking PancakesThis is a site that recently wrote about the genetic inferiority of blacks.


As long as no one insults Velvet Jones, that's when I start the seething.

my
cousin used to call me buckwheat when we were kids - and it wasn't a
racial thing at all. we just liked buckwheat from Little Rascals. so
the whole thing just puzzles me. and we were in the racist south too.
go figure.

When known white person Beer Drinking Victory Monkey & his school yard friends used to play "The Little Rascals", everyone wanted to be Buckwheat. He was the best character.

130 bunuel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:43:44am

Todah, Knish.

131 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:44:25am

re: #111 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you!

132 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:44:26am
133 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:45:04am

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

Re "Jews for Ron Paul": "If we can't get Jews to support us, let's make some up!"

Ron Paulstein!

134 commander_vimes  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:45:15am

re: #114 Owl

my cousin used to call me buckwheat when we were kids - and it wasn't a racial thing at all. we just liked buckwheat from Little Rascals. so the whole thing just puzzles me. and we were in the racist south too. go figure.


There was a character in the second half of season 1 of wiseguy who called everyone buckwheat. It wasn't racial and was the first place I heard the name outside little rascals. It sticks in my memory to this day.

135 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:45:27am

re: #88 Owl

re: #69 insanity police

re: #61 Eowyn2


re: #50 Owl
you have a truly dizzying intellect.
You have fallen victim to one of the famous of all blunders.

The most famous is getting involved in a land war in asia but only slightly less well known is never go up against a sicilian when death is on the line


Both cups are poisoned!


Oh crap. I'm " Spock". uugh.

"Just remember that ..."

136 looking closely  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:45:39am

re: #2 Shug

Jews for Ron Paul is like Lung cancer Patients for marlboros


Well, many lung cancer patients actually enjoy Marlboros (or once did).

I don't think Paul ever enjoyed the support of Jews.

Frankly, I think this blog is spending too much time on Paul. No matter how much his internet kooks can raise in a day, he's worthless and doesn't stand a snowballs' chance in hell of getting the Republican nomination, even if McCain, Giuliani, and Romney were all to be simultaneously killed in a tragic accident.

I don't even think he'd be a particularly great "spoiler" candidate, though like many, I believe if he were narcissitic enough to try to run as a third party candidate, he'd hurt the Democrat candidate more than the Republican.

137 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:45:40am

Five weeks until Christmas and we're fully in the throes of the PC lunacy already.

Time to Trim the 'Family Tree'

We've gone from Christmas tree to holiday tree, now the family tree.

Can it get any dumber?

Of course it can!

Now mall Santas down under can't say "ho ho ho" for fear of offending ho's.

138 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:47:02am
one post promoting Ron Paul as the American Paul Belien

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

/Seriously- mr belien. I only know who you are because you picked a fight with Charles Johnson.

139 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:47:07am

re: #137 JammieWearingFool

Five weeks until Christmas and we're fully in the throes of the PC lunacy already.

Time to Trim the 'Family Tree'

We've gone from Christmas tree to holiday tree, now the family tree.

Can it get any dumber?

Of course it can!

Now mall Santas down under can't say "ho ho ho" for fear of offending ho's.

Just celebrate Festivus - no trees, just an aluminum pole (very good strength-to-weight ratio, that's what the holidays are all about).

140 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:47:18am

Here's the silliest evocation of the vast Joooooooooish conspiracy I've seen recently; from today's BotW (lead item)

The Concord (N.H.) Monitor misspelled a word the other day, and one reader blames the Jooz:

What is a "kafuffle"? It's not in the dictionary. Is it just another proofreading error? Or is it a further example of your acquiescence to the Israelization of American culture by attempting to pass obscure Yiddish words into the mainstream of the American language?

It's bad enough that we are steered toward war with the entire Arab world and beyond because our "friend" Israel won't relinquish its occupation of Palestine and make peace with its neighbors. Still we are suckered into giving Israel, the 14th richest country on earth, billions and billions of our tax dollars in foreign aid every year, and we gave it carte blanche to rampage through Lebanon destroying everything in its path and inflicting collective punishment on its people, an aggression internationally condemned as a war crime, yet condoned by the Bush administration and sheepishly accepted by the American people.

How can we hold our heads high and proud when our own county illegally attacks and invades an Arab country that had done nothing to us, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and wrecking their entire infrastructure, clearly Bush war crimes, all for the benefit of Israel because Saddam was assisting the families of Palestinian martyrs in their struggle against the illegal Israeli occupation of their land? We shouldn't be proud to be associated with Israel, and I don't appreciate their insidious adulteration of our language.

PETER DAVIS
Laconia

He's a proster chamoole, this one. Besides, any shlub knows the proper spelling of "kafuffle" is "meshugas."

141 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:47:26am

re: #121 Lucius Septimius

From Sultan Knish:



Jim C. Perry, Gay Pagan Unitarian Minister (possibly also Cherokee and Mormon), thanks to a few photos in costume, is being passed off as an Orthodox Jew.

Well, can't fault him for not being ecumenical ... certainly has all the bases covered.

tool.

re: #66 BabbaZee


When playing six degrees of Vlaams Belang one always encounters the Apostle Ron Paul.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

So, why is it that some folks around here have been claiming that if Nor Luap runs as an independent he will get Hillary elected? More likely the opposite -- he'd draw off the radical anti-war, anti-semite, moonbattus robustus members of the Democrats.


I keep picturing that little worm from the movie " The Mummy"......who finally got the right words....but in the end lost everything.

" AHHHH, the language of the Slaves"

142 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:47:41am

Sigh.

Paultards now threatening me with eternal damnation

"As a Ron Paul supporter, all I know is that for your hatefilled message and lies..You will be held accountable for in either this life or in the next and eternal life."

There goes my weekend

143 commander_vimes  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:47:43am

re: #137 JammieWearingFool

Five weeks until Christmas and we're fully in the throes of the PC lunacy already.

Time to Trim the 'Family Tree'

We've gone from Christmas tree to holiday tree, now the family tree.

Can it get any dumber?

Of course it can!

Now mall Santas down under can't say "ho ho ho" for fear of offending ho's.

Note that Lowe's TV ads get around this issue by having a shopper who can't name what she's looking for so she plays charades with the sales-person.

gag!

144 looking closely  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:48:03am

re: #125 Ward Cleaver

Judo?

I prefer Ju-jitsu.

145 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:48:28am

re: #129 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #114 Owl


re: #103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile the White Supremacists at Brussels Journal have the gall to fake outrage over the BuckWheat controversy....
She Wasn’t Talking PancakesThis is a site that recently wrote about the genetic inferiority of blacks.

As long as no one insults Velvet Jones, that's when I start the seething.

my
cousin used to call me buckwheat when we were kids - and it wasn't a
racial thing at all. we just liked buckwheat from Little Rascals. so
the whole thing just puzzles me. and we were in the racist south too.
go figure.

When known white person Beer Drinking Victory Monkey & his school yard friends used to play "The Little Rascals", everyone wanted to be Buckwheat. He was the best character.

and he was the best character Eddie Murphy ever brought to life on SNL too. Although I did like Mr. Robinson a bit too.

146 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:48:45am

re: #142 sultan_knish

You got ron paul hate mail- you've made it! Congratulations!

147 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:48:47am

re: #126 BabbaZee


Nothing, intrinsically ....
Aesthetically?.... Weeeeeeelll
that's another story
it's just one of those insidious little inside jokes.

The neo-Nazis have given a perfectly respectable facial hair alternative a bad name.

They did the same thing to poor old Charlie Chaplin's mustache.

148 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:48:50am

re: #41 Charles

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey


I get nothing but the Whirling Ball of Death when I try to access the Sultan Knish site. I don't know if that is due to overwhelming traffic, or something in the site itself, but I regret not being able to read the source material directly.

See #24 -- Safari doesn't like something on the site. Firefox works fine.

IE 6 and 7 work fine, although I did notice some weird gibberish while the page was loading--could be what is throwing Safari off...

149 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:50:02am
150 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:50:03am

Sultan, I am getting hate messages from Paulians about you. Here's one I just got:

steppo has left a new comment on your post "Sultan Knish Exposes "Jews for Ron Paul" Fraud!":

I'm so, so tired of these vicious attacks on Ron Paul and his supporters. Knish has joined in with such bigots as Alan Dershowitz -- who managed to frighten the DePaul wimps into not giving Norman Finkelstein tenure because he was "anti-semitic"? Give me a break. I AM NOT ANTI-SEMITIC - but I tell you, the more I read from such bigots as Knish I well understand why there are anti-semites. Get over it-- let the Jewish people and Israel out of this. Hey, this is American politics, and it should not be soiled by self-righteous bigots, either Christian or Jewish.

151 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:50:10am

There is this string at the top of the page: } -->

152 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:50:31am

I hated The Princess Bride.

Twas really boring.

153 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:50:45am

re: #142 sultan_knish

Sigh.

Paultards now threatening me with eternal damnation


"As a Ron Paul supporter, all I know is that for your hatefilled message and lies..You will be held accountable for in either this life or in the next and eternal life."

There goes my weekend


Aren't they always going on and on about someone hating this or that. you hate the Constitution, you hate America, you hate what Ron Paul stands for, you hate the RP has support, you hate that RP is the only man that can save......oh i'm gonna puke.

Does anyone else get the feeling that this whole RP thing is a leftist ploy and RP is a stupid moron that's being played, and it's going to actually doom the libs in the end. Boy, I sure do - and I hope i'm right.

154 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:50:59am

re: #142 sultan_knish

Sigh.

Paultards now threatening me with eternal damnation


"As a Ron Paul supporter, all I know is that for your hatefilled message and lies..You will be held accountable for in either this life or in the next and eternal life."

There goes my weekend

They really are pathetic.

155 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:51:07am
156 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:51:14am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

re: #148 Pro-Bush Canuck


I did notice some weird gibberish while the page was loading

On all too many sites you just get weird gibberish once the page is loaded.

Daily KOStard, Huffing and Pissed...

157 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:51:16am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

re: #148 Pro-Bush Canuck

I did notice some weird gibberish while the page was loading

On all too many sites you just get weird gibberish once the page is loaded.

Been reading Huff-Puff again, eh?

158 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:51:16am

re: #150 insanity police

Ron Paul Supporters: Blaming Jews for anti-semitism since 2007.

159 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:51:17am

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

"If we can't (blank), let's make it up"

With that one edit, it actually sums up the whole Ron Paul campaign.

160 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:52:08am

re: #143 commander_vimes

The Lowe's people claim hey will redouble their proofreading efforts and "family tree" was a mistake.

Sure.

They'll probably switch it in English but leave it that way int he Spanish version.

It's all so stupid. The holiday is Christmas. Who the hell is offended that it's called a Christmas tree?

161 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:52:08am

re: #146 Sharmuta

re: #142 sultan_knish

You got ron paul hate mail- you've made it! Congratulations!

Wow! the Sultan is going to be held accountable in the next life for speaking against the prophet Nor Luap!

Sultan Knish has serious street cred now ...

162 RTLM  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:52:24am

American Thinker weighs in on Ron Paul

Medved: Dear Congressman Paul,
Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 "Truthers" and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.
Do you welcome- or repudiate - the support of such factions?
More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press -a publication of the nation's leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the "comforts and amenities" provided for inmates of Auschwitz.
Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?
As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications?
As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly.
Will you now answer these pressing questions, and eliminate all associations between your campaign and some of the most loathsome fringe groups in American society?
Along with my listeners (and many of your own supporters), I eagerly await your response.

Respectfully, Michael Medved

163 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:52:43am

re: #150 insanity police

Sultan, I am getting hate messages from Paulians about you. Here's one I just got:

steppo has left a new comment on your post "Sultan Knish Exposes "Jews for Ron Paul" Fraud!":

I'm so, so tired of these vicious attacks on Ron Paul and his supporters. Knish has joined in with such bigots as Alan Dershowitz -- who managed to frighten the DePaul wimps into not giving Norman Finkelstein tenure because he was "anti-semitic"? Give me a break. I AM NOT ANTI-SEMITIC - but I tell you, the more I read from such bigots as Knish I well understand why there are anti-semites. Get over it-- let the Jewish people and Israel out of this. Hey, this is American politics, and it should not be soiled by self-righteous bigots, either Christian or Jewish.

I'll bet thet guy was yelling, and spitting all over the inside of his white hood.

164 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:52:45am

re: #152 Dirk Diggler

I hated The Princess Bride.

Twas really boring.

"I think you're bluffing."

Prince Humperdink

165 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:53:02am

re: #121 Lucius Septimius

From Sultan Knish:



Jim C. Perry, Gay Pagan Unitarian Minister (possibly also Cherokee and Mormon), thanks to a few photos in costume, is being passed off as an Orthodox Jew.

Well, can't fault him for not being ecumenical ... certainly has all the bases covered.

tool.
.

He really has all the bases covered. Since he's also up as a Democrat

[Link: www.democrats.org...]

166 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:53:16am
167 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:53:27am

re: #152 Dirk Diggler

I hated The Princess Bride.

Twas really boring.

But did you like "The Court Jester"?

168 Dianna  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:53:34am

re: #127 Owl

You're very welcome. As I said, I put up my personal favorite passage.

169 nolocon  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:53:51am

re: #164 Sharmuta

re: #152 Dirk Diggler


I hated The Princess Bride.

Twas really boring.


"I think you're bluffing."

Prince Humperdink

INCONCEIVABLE!

170 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:54:35am

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

re: #142 sultan_knish

Eternal damnation for not supporting Ron Paul? How odd; I thought Libertarians were very much for separation between religion and state.

Well if they can't win in this life, they figure Ron Paul will win the afterlife.

Ron Paul for Archdemon in 2032 - He'll get the Poltergists Out Of Your Closet

171 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:54:37am

re: #163 Ward Cleaver

re: #150 insanity police


Sultan, I am getting hate messages from Paulians about you. Here's one I just got:

steppo has left a new comment on your post "Sultan Knish Exposes "Jews for Ron Paul" Fraud!":

I'm so, so tired of these vicious attacks on Ron Paul and his supporters. Knish has joined in with such bigots as Alan Dershowitz -- who managed to frighten the DePaul wimps into not giving Norman Finkelstein tenure because he was "anti-semitic"? Give me a break. I AM NOT ANTI-SEMITIC - but I tell you, the more I read from such bigots as Knish I well understand why there are anti-semites. Get over it-- let the Jewish people and Israel out of this. Hey, this is American politics, and it should not be soiled by self-righteous bigots, either Christian or Jewish.


I'll bet thet guy was yelling, and spitting all over the inside of his white hood.

Or spit shining his shaved head.

172 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:54:48am

re: #165 sultan_knish

re: #121 Lucius Septimius

From Sultan Knish:



Jim C. Perry, Gay Pagan Unitarian Minister (possibly also Cherokee and Mormon), thanks to a few photos in costume, is being passed off as an Orthodox Jew.

Well, can't fault him for not being ecumenical ... certainly has all the bases covered.

tool.
.

He really has all the bases covered. Since he's also up as a Democrat

[Link: www.democrats.org...]

So his excommunications are binding on this world, and all possible afterlives, including non-afterlives in the Unitarian mold? Cool.

173 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:54:49am

re: #169 nolocon

I don't think you know the meaning of the word.

174 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:55:36am

re: #162 RTLM

I think I saw that somewhere.

175 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:55:47am

re: #137 JammieWearingFool

Five weeks until Christmas and we're fully in the throes of the PC lunacy already.

Time to Trim the 'Family Tree'

We've gone from Christmas tree to holiday tree, now the family tree.

Can it get any dumber?

Of course it can!

Now mall Santas down under can't say "ho ho ho" for fear of offending ho's.

Speaking of PC running amok, does everyone have their Christmas card list ready? Don't forget your neighborhood ACLU office.

[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

176 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:55:58am

re: #143 commander_vimes

re: #137 JammieWearingFool


Five weeks until Christmas and we're fully in the throes of the PC lunacy already.

Time to Trim the 'Family Tree'

We've gone from Christmas tree to holiday tree, now the family tree.

Can it get any dumber?

Of course it can!

Now mall Santas down under can't say "ho ho ho" for fear of offending ho's.


Note that Lowe's TV ads get around this issue by having a shopper who can't name what she's looking for so she plays charades with the sales-person.

gag!

You're kidding, right? If that's right, then it sure makes the " oh, it was a typo" thing look more suspicious than it already did. I'm glad I don't work for them anymore.

I have stock still, so I don't wanna hurt them(me), but I will tell you that after 9-11, my local store tried to stop employees from wearing homemade 9-11 pins. A little star with "remember 9-11" on it that one of teh employees husbands made and gave out. Oh, and btw - that big flag hanging outside our Lowe's - the employees chipped in and bought it. The company would not do it when we asked them to. Of course, not long after that we got in tons of flags. I guess it's different when you see $$$$. idiots.

177 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:57:29am

re: #150 insanity police

Sultan, I am getting hate messages from Paulians about you. Here's one I just got:

steppo has left a new comment on your post "Sultan Knish Exposes "Jews for Ron Paul" Fraud!":

I'm so, so tired of these vicious attacks on Ron Paul and his supporters. Knish has joined in with such bigots as Alan Dershowitz -- who managed to frighten the DePaul wimps into not giving Norman Finkelstein tenure because he was "anti-semitic"? Give me a break. I AM NOT ANTI-SEMITIC - but I tell you, the more I read from such bigots as Knish I well understand why there are anti-semites. Get over it-- let the Jewish people and Israel out of this. Hey, this is American politics, and it should not be soiled by self-righteous bigots, either Christian or Jewish.

The more you catch a Ron Paul supporter red handed, the angrier and more self-righteous he gets

I call it a defense mechanism or liar's instinct

178 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:59:14am

re: #161 Lucius Septimius

re: #146 Sharmuta

Wow! the Sultan is going to be held accountable in the next life for speaking against the prophet Nor Luap!

Sultan Knish has serious street cred now ...

Just so long as Nyarlahotep doesn't get too upset with me. I suspected Lovecraft meant it as an acronym for Ron Paul anyway

179 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 10:59:50am

VERY OT

Prominent Gaming Site goes Commie

Yeah, yeah - it's only a gaming site - I get that. But I went to install a new game called "Crysis" (yeah, I like killing sh*t on a screen from time to time), and was prompted to join "gamespy comrade" where the icon to join were three raised fists against a nice fat red star. Comrade, red stars, a site where you are invited to become an "ambassador". Sure, it's easy to pooh-pooh a complaint about a gaming site. But why the choice of iconography? Yes, online gaming is a means of creating camaraderie, I get that. But why the commie crap? Especially from a prominent gaming site, geared towards the youth, and invested HEAVILY in generating immense wads of capital?

180 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:00:09am
181 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:00:12am

OT:
This might deserve a thread all to its own.

We all know Kos got a slot writing at Newsweek.

Guess who else got a job writing there.

Come on. I know you're dying to find out who.

Karl 'Darth' Rove.

Heh.

182 tfc3rid  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:01:50am

Perhaps RP's favorite baseball player is Ronny Paulino of the Pittsburgh Pirates...

183 cagney  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:01:52am

The Daily Mail reports in this article that 'virginity fix' operations on the UK NHS is being driven by muslims.

It does not specifically say that it is muslims but that the patients are immigrants or British of ethnic origin'.

184 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:01:57am
185 Owl  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:02:42am

btw - we told them in no exact terms where we'd put those little stars if they thought they were going to make us stop wearing them. that ended that.

and folks, this was just a couple of weeks after 9-11.

still gets me riled up even now.

186 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:03:10am

re: #181 lawhawk

HA!

I'm off to visit the Koskidz. This should be funny.

187 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:03:13am

re: #181 lawhawk

OT:
This might deserve a thread all to its own.

We all know Kos got a slot writing at Newsweek.

Guess who else got a job writing there.

Come on. I know you're dying to find out who.

Karl 'Darth' Rove.

Heh.

AHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Rove! You magnificent bastard!


Ahahahahahahahahahahaha.

This is too frickin hilarious. Markkkos must be bleeding from his eyes!

AHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

188 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:04:32am

re: #187 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Kos knew when he took the job, but didn't let the cat out of the bag except to say that it would really get the Kossers in a tizzy.

Double Heh.

189 commander_vimes  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:05:41am

re: #160 JammieWearingFool

And who is going to buy such a tree for any other purpose? It's not like it's the re: #176 Owl

re: #143 commander_vimes

re: #137 JammieWearingFool


Five weeks until Christmas and we're fully in the throes of the PC lunacy already.Time to Trim the 'Family Tree'

We've gone from Christmas tree to holiday tree, now the family tree.

Can it get any dumber?

Of course it can!

Now mall Santas down under can't say "ho ho ho" for fear of offending ho's.


Note that Lowe's TV ads get around this issue by having a shopper who can't name what she's looking for so she plays charades with the sales-person.gag!

You're kidding, right? If that's right, then it sure makes the " oh, it was a typo" thing look more suspicious than it already did. I'm glad I don't work for them anymore.

I have stock still, so I don't wanna hurt them(me), but I will tell you that after 9-11, my local store tried to stop employees from wearing homemade 9-11 pins. A little star with "remember 9-11" on it that one of teh employees husbands made and gave out. Oh, and btw - that big flag hanging outside our Lowe's - the employees chipped in and bought it. The company would not do it when we asked them to. Of course, not long after that we got in tons of flags. I guess it's different when you see $$$$. idiots.

I am not kidding. the only possible redemption is that none of the things she's shopping for are a tree. Lowes had been my HW store of choice, but I'm pretty disgusted.

190 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:05:57am

re: #188 lawhawk

re: #187 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Kos knew when he took the job, but didn't let the cat out of the bag except to say that it would really get the Kossers in a tizzy.

Double Heh.

Well this election season should be very interesting. It almost makes me want to subscribe to Newsweak, but I think I'll just hold off a bit.

191 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:06:06am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

re: #181 lawhawk

HA!

I'm off to visit the Koskidz. This should be funny.

Leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way back.

192 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:06:45am

re: #191 Lucius Septimius

re: #186 Killgore Trout


re: #181 lawhawk

HA!

I'm off to visit the Koskidz. This should be funny.


Leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way back.


Have you had your shots?

193 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:06:46am

re: #167 Lucius Septimius

re: #152 Dirk Diggler

I hated The Princess Bride.

Twas really boring.

But did you like "The Court Jester"?

Not the "Flagon with the Dragon"!

194 Barking Pumpkin  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:07:21am

re: #99 MandyManners

How does one pronounce "knish"? As "nish" or, is the "k" pronounced?

Mandy, it is pronounced "ka-nish".
All this talk of knishes has made me hungry!

195 commander_vimes  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:07:25am

re: #176 Owl

/ fix of mangled post above

I am not kidding. the only possible redemption is that none of the things she's shopping for are a tree. Lowes had been my HW store of choice, but I'm pretty disgusted.

196 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:08:09am

re: #184 buzzsawmonkey

re: #178 sultan_knish

Just so long as Nyarlahotep doesn't get too upset with me. I suspected Lovecraft meant it as an acronym for Ron Paul anyway

Nyarlahotep! Ia! Yog-Sogoth! The Black Goat of the campaign with a thousand young supporters!

In a million years, behold Ron Paul will rise from the depths of the oceans, to finally win the Iowa Primary and madness will come over all mankind!

197 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:08:14am
198 insanity police  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:08:48am

re: #177 sultan_knish

I totally agree. Paulians never let truth get in their way.

199 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:09:03am

re: #193 CyanSnowHawk

re: #167 Lucius Septimius

re: #152 Dirk Diggler

I hated The Princess Bride.

Twas really boring.

But did you like "The Court Jester"?

Not the "Flagon with the Dragon"!

Indeed. Think I'll watch that tonight after the second dose of percoset kicks in.

200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:09:16am

re: #196 sultan_knish

re: #184 buzzsawmonkey


re: #178 sultan_knish

Just so long as Nyarlahotep doesn't get too upset with me. I suspected Lovecraft meant it as an acronym for Ron Paul anyway

Nyarlahotep! Ia! Yog-Sogoth! The Black Goat of the campaign with a thousand young supporters!

In a million years, behold Ron Paul will rise from the depths of the oceans, to finally win the Iowa Primary and madness will come over all mankind!

Maybe it will be as one of the twelve spikes on the Whore of Babylon's crown?

201 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:10:11am
202 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:11:55am

Way too many Lovecraft fans around here.

203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:13:34am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

re: #200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It was all foretold by the mad Arab Abdul Al-Hazred in the Necronomicon.

Who was later eaten by an invisible demon in a street bazaar. Not as successful a career as other mad Arab prophets.

204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:13:51am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

re: #200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It was all foretold by the mad Arab Abdul Al-Hazred in the Necronomicon.

I've never read that.

205 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:14:12am

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Darn those pesky invisible dragons.

206 billhedrick  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:16:38am
#152 Dirk Diggler
I hated The Princess Bride.

Twas really boring.

Inconceivable!

207 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:16:39am

re: #204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

re: #200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It was all foretold by the mad Arab Abdul Al-Hazred in the Necronomicon.

I've never read that.

I work in the rare book biz. I'll keep my eyes open for you.
/

208 billhedrick  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:17:54am

Just remember when you open the Necronomicon you must say the 3 words!
Klaatu!
Berada!
N....something/

209 Orde  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:18:08am

re: #105 Eowyn2

OT

Does anyone know of good source material laying out the various sharia laws?

There are different schools of jurisprudence, so the sharia laws vary. But for starters you might try Reliance of the Traveller and Al-Maqasid.

210 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:18:31am

Update 1: Jim C. Perry as a Democrat, the fallout and his failure to return campaign contributions despite promising to do so.

211 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:18:45am

I'm a-tellin ya, folks, the masks are falling off like Autumn leaves.

I left a couple of pro-LGF comments at the article on the Great Blog Brawl at Shrinkwrapped, prompting some lengthy rejoinders which included this gem:

Also, to believe in supremacy of one's culture, religion and race also does not makes anybody a racist. This is a natural disposition of every nation. In US you have no choice: you have to accept your black population as compatriots, however iconvenient and sometimes deleterious it is, and try to forge some race-blind national identity. And I wish you full success with it. But European nation have a choice to conserve their national, cultural and, yes, ethnic identity, and I too wish them complete success with it, even if to achive this they need to use a policy of Queen Isabella of Spain.

Got that, you lunkheaded yanks? Believing in the supremacy of your own race isn't racism.

212 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:21:10am

re: #211 Dead Sea Squirrel

I'm a-tellin ya, folks, the masks are falling off like Autumn leaves.

I left a couple of pro-LGF comments at the article on the Great Blog Brawl at Shrinkwrapped, prompting some lengthy rejoinders which included this gem:

Also, to believe in supremacy of one's culture, religion and race also does not makes anybody a racist. This is a natural disposition of every nation. In US you have no choice: you have to accept your black population as compatriots, however iconvenient and sometimes deleterious it is, and try to forge some race-blind national identity. And I wish you full success with it. But European nation have a choice to conserve their national, cultural and, yes, ethnic identity, and I too wish them complete success with it, even if to achive this they need to use a policy of Queen Isabella of Spain.

Got that, you lunkheaded yanks? Believing in the supremacy of your own race isn't racism.

"a policy of Queen Isabella of Spain"?! The lady who expelled the Jews from Spain and founded the Inquisition to sniff out their hidden heirs. Oh, nothing suspect in that comment, no sirree.

213 billhedrick  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:22:58am
Got that, you lunkheaded yanks? Believing in the supremacy of your own race isn't racism.

They are conflating the natural tendency to think your Dad and Mom, Family, tribe, etc., is the bestest, with their racism and claiming innocence. Yes it is natural and healthy to love and respect yourself and your family, but as you socialize you realize that other people are just as good if not better than you. These people have the social level of 8 year olds.

214 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:23:11am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

re: #200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It was all foretold by the mad Arab Abdul Al-Hazred in the Necronomicon.

Did you hear about Mad Priests of Azathoth for Ron Paul? They're really wired up about Ron Paul's support for the gold standard and all the human brains they can eat.

215 cagney  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:23:51am

re: #183 cagney

From this article about the same subject


Diana Nammi campaigns for the rights of Kurdish and Iranian women. She says if hymen repair was more widely available on the NHS, it could prevent many honour killings:

"If NHS provided help it would be great, private surgery costs lost of money, they haven't got any money to pay for surgery, NHS understanding importance of issue that could be very great help and save lives."

For some men, making sure a woman is a virgin is just another way of controlling her. And many grooms in Britain, usually from Moroccan, Algerian or Tunisian communities, demand virginity certificates - a medical document that states the hymen is intact.

These 'immigrants or British of ethnic origin' comes from countries that are predominately Islamic,

From this link in LGF watch, it was claimed that Sikh's also commit honour killings.

From this wiki link there is no significant Sikh populations mentioned in the countries above.

IMHO it's safe to say the first article is correct about its connections to muslim customs.

216 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:24:51am

re: #207 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


Thanks! Now that I have high speed at home (buhbyeee dial up!) I'll be here fairly regularly.

217 Lauraf  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:24:56am

re: #140 Lucius Septimius

Here's the silliest evocation of the vast Joooooooooish conspiracy I've seen recently; from today's BotW (lead item)


The Concord (N.H.) Monitor misspelled a word the other day, and one reader blames the Jooz:

What is a "kafuffle"? It's not in the dictionary. Is it just another proofreading error? Or is it a further example of your acquiescence to the Israelization of American culture by attempting to pass obscure Yiddish words into the mainstream of the American language?

He's a proster chamoole, this one. Besides, any shlub knows the proper spelling of "kafuffle" is "meshugas."

And that Yiddish isn't the national language of Israel. LOL, what a moron.

218 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:26:47am

re: #214 sultan_knish

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey


re: #200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It was all foretold by the mad Arab Abdul Al-Hazred in the Necronomicon.


Did you hear about Mad Priests of Azathoth for Ron Paul? They're really wired up about Ron Paul's support for the gold standard and all the human brains they can eat.

No, actually. Sounds like great fun!

Am I missing something here? I feel really dumb.

219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:27:45am

re: #217 Lauraf

re: #140 Lucius Septimius


Here's the silliest evocation of the vast Joooooooooish conspiracy I've seen recently; from today's BotW (lead item)

The Concord (N.H.) Monitor misspelled a word the other day, and one reader blames the Jooz:

What is a "kafuffle"? It's not in the dictionary. Is it just another proofreading error? Or is it a further example of your acquiescence to the Israelization of American culture by attempting to pass obscure Yiddish words into the mainstream of the American language?

He's a proster chamoole, this one. Besides, any shlub knows the proper spelling of "kafuffle" is "meshugas."

And that Yiddish isn't the national language of Israel. LOL, what a moron.


I thought it was kerfuffle.

220 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:29:07am

re: #216 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
You do realize I was being sarcastic, right? The Necronomicron is a fictious book featured in the stories of H.P. Lovecraft.

221 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:29:40am

Ishtar was funnier than The Princess Bride.

222 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:29:51am

re: #219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

"Kerfuffle" it is; and it's Taranto's favorite word.

223 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:30:11am

re: #221 Dirk Diggler

Ishtar was funnier than The Princess Bride.

But not intentionally.

224 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:30:15am

re: #221 Dirk Diggler

Ishtar was funnier than The Princess Bride.

Man, you're cruel!

225 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:31:31am

re: #220 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #216 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
You do realize I was being sarcastic, right? The Necronomicron is a fictious book featured in the stories of H.P. Lovecraft.

Ahhhhh....that explains the sarc tag. I've never read Lovecraft. Should I?

226 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:32:18am

re: #224 Lucius Septimius

re: #221 Dirk Diggler


Ishtar was funnier than The Princess Bride.

Man, you're cruel!


Very. But he has a great nic-name.

227 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:33:07am

re: #208 billhedrick

Just remember when you open the Necronomicon you must say the 3 words!
Klaatu!
Berada!
N....something/

Gimme some sugar.

228 Lauraf  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:33:09am

re: #219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #217 Lauraf

He's a proster chamoole, this one. Besides, any shlub knows the proper spelling of "kafuffle" is "meshugas."


And that Yiddish isn't the national language of Israel. LOL, what a moron.

I thought it was kerfuffle.

Me too. ? But I can't say I recall having seen it written very often so I dunno.

229 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:34:29am

I have had several people try to tell me about Ron Paul and why they plan on voting for him in the MI primary. And I'm not talking kooks, but people who I'd consider intelligent and reasonable but not so well informed. And they all got on the Paul train by listening to a relative or neighbor who told them all about the RP Revolution and how he's gonna save America from everything evil. It seems the loud Paulians are making a hard sell among their own circle of acquaintances and painting a idealistic picture of Ron Paul, the last of America's Founding Fathers. Many of these people hate politics in general and like Ron Paul because he is the anti-politician anti-candidate. And that is fertile ground for grass roots support these days.

I don't hurl insults at Ron Paul, because that won't do anything to plant doubt in their mind about their new love. I just point out that his plan to save America is a recipe for financial ruin. Sure a gold-based dollar would end inflation...yeah right after the entire economy collapsed. How in the heck will that make you better off?

And then I point out that any legitimate 3rd party run will only hand the Presidency to Hillary Clinton. The Democrats have a 26-21 lead over the GOP in a roll call of State contingencies in the House of Representatives, which is how the President will be selected if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes.

And then I bring up the ties between the Ron Paul campaign and the Buchananites, the white supremacists, the KKK, and all the other garden variety anti-Semites and far lefts and far rights. I say, when you go to a political rally and you find yourself standing between the KKK and Neo-Nazis, you might want to question why you're there.

My point is, we need to have reasonable points to bring up to friends, family, neighbors, co-workers who start leaning that way. Remember he is only one of seven or eight candidates running for the GOP nomination. He doesn't have to win a majority, 25% would likely be enough for him to win a State primary. And he's nowhere near that level now, but his army of orcs are out there doing all they can do at the grass roots level to make him seem mainstream. Be ready Lizards.

230 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:34:44am

re: #228 Lauraf

re: #219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #217 Lauraf

He's a proster chamoole, this one. Besides, any shlub knows the proper spelling of "kafuffle" is "meshugas."


And that Yiddish isn't the national language of Israel. LOL, what a moron.

I thought it was kerfuffle.

Me too. ? But I can't say I recall having seen it written very often so I dunno.

Come here for all your kerfuffle needs.

231 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:36:00am

re: #225 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #220 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #216 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
You do realize I was being sarcastic, right? The Necronomicron is a fictious book featured in the stories of H.P. Lovecraft.

Ahhhhh....that explains the sarc tag. I've never read Lovecraft. Should I?

If you like good horror stories, then by all means, pick up a copy of some of Lovecraft's works. Or you could just click here. I wouldn't start off with the "Cthulu Mythos." Start off with "Pickman's Model" or "The Colour Out of Space." Lovecraft wrote in a style that you're not supposed to write in, yet he made it work very well.

232 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:36:29am

re: #230 Lucius Septimius

re: #228 Lauraf


re: #219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #217 Lauraf

He's a proster chamoole, this one. Besides, any shlub knows the proper spelling of "kafuffle" is "meshugas."


And that Yiddish isn't the national language of Israel. LOL, what a moron.

I thought it was kerfuffle.

Me too. ? But I can't say I recall having seen it written very often so I dunno.


Come here for all your kerfuffle needs.


Thank you Lucius (I still love that name.)

233 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:36:55am

bbl

234 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:37:12am
235 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:37:20am

re: #221 Dirk Diggler

Ishtar was funnier than The Princess Bride.

"Truly, you have a dizzying intellect."

The Dread Pirate Wesley

236 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:37:35am

re: #41 Charles

Charles - I finally went over and read Robert Spencer's summary of the issues and his opinions. He's got it fairly clearly, except one part that jumped out at me. He said:

But there is cultural defense and then there is a white supremacism that is based on some idea of racial superiority and inferiority, and has via Hitler a historical link to genocide. They are not the same thing, and a distinction needs to be made between the two.

It doesn't only "via Hitler" link to genocide...it links to genocide via huge swaths of the Euro population. It's those huge swaths' kids and grandkids that we're talking about now. Why would anyone want to rekindle these people. If they still have their linking photos and symbols on their home bookshelves displayed in their own videos, then there's nothing they can say that should fool anyone into thinking the links are broken. Get a grip here.

237 billhedrick  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:38:30am

here's my favorite sly comment on Digg about S.K.'s Ron Paul article.

Ron Paul is a true friend of the Jews and their final solution. Vote Ron Paul 2008!
238 billhedrick  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:41:03am

Just remember when you open the Necronomicon you must say the 3 words!
Klaatu!
Berada!
N....something/

Gimme some sugar.

good, bad, I 'm the one with the gun!

239 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:41:17am

That pesky C.

Birth Name: James Christian Perry. I was named after my uncle James Perry, one of my father’s five brothers. My middle name was given to me in honor of a late friend of my parents.

Well I think we're done here. Jews for Paul, run by James Christian Perry.

Pagan Minister, Cherokee, Orthodox Jew, Friend to all Mankind.

240 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:43:12am
241 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:45:58am

re: #237 billhedrick

here's my favorite sly comment on Digg about S.K.'s Ron Paul article.


Ron Paul is a true friend of the Jews and their final solution. Vote Ron Paul 2008!

I much prefer to vote for him in 2009 myself, when it's safer

242 billhedrick  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:46:08am

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

yea, they were racist, at least by todays standards. Really so was Edgar Rice Burroughs and most of the other pulp writers before WW2.
You have to enjoy the stories remembering the time and society they came from.

243 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:46:53am

re: #234 buzzsawmonkey

And to think I usually think of "Army of Darkness" when I hear/see "The Necronomicon"

-Shop smart, shop S Mart.

244 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:48:13am

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

to be fair Lovecraft was decidedly on the eccentric and downright loony side, of course a lot of fiction back then trafficked in racist stereotypes

his writing wasn't 'good', sometimes it was hilariously awful, particularly when he tries to render regional accents, but it's the literary equivalent of a classic horror movie, it's somehow weighty and absurd at the same time

245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:49:12am

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Lovecraft's "The Colour Out of Space" can be looked at as an allegory of Islam, if you want to.

Lovecraft's stories are disturbing to revisit in light of the
current VB controversy; like many writers of his time, he was not a fan
of "inferior" and "mongrel" races, and pejoratives creep in to many of
his writings. In this he was not alone; Sax Rohmer, writer of the Fu
Manchu stories, "Tales of Limehouse," and "Grey Face," was much more
overtly racist and antisemitic. Robert E. Howard, creator of "Conan the
Barbarian" and a correspondent of Lovecraft's, wrote a disturbing Aryan
supremacy short story called "The Valley of the Worm." Edgar Wallace
and E. Phillips Oppenheim also exhibited ethnocentrism which
occasionally slopped over into out and out racism.


If you've ever read any of Lovecraft's letters, in the later part of his life, he seems to have repented of his previous anti-Semetic views - he even married a Jewish woman.

246 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:53:58am
247 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:54:30am

re: #245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yes he did. Again considering the period, you're much more likely to find writers holding prejudices than not. Even further down the line, there's an unpleasant Tolkien quote toward the end of his life too, for example.

I choose to focus on the works rather than the writers, just as I focus on the music rather than the musicians.

248 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:55:39am

re: #246 buzzsawmonkey


What is interesting is not so much the racism itself, but how much these writers were responsible for the conventions of adventure and thriller stories which are still the norm today. And these conventions have been continued without anyone looking at the racism which informs their origin. The "evil genius" villains which are stock figures of adventure or thriller fiction today started out in the late 19th and early 20th centuries as either Jews, "Central Europeans" (usually Jews, sometimes Germans), or malevolent Asians (usually Chinese/Mongols)--and echoes of these ethnic/racial stereotypes remain.

See Phantom Menace, The

249 Dianna  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:56:52am

re: #226 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It can do no harm.

Just remember that he writes like a parody sometimes, and the tone's a bit overwrought. The Cthulu mythos is full of "eldritch" manifestations.

250 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 11:58:05am
251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:04:32pm

re: #248 sultan_knish

re: #246 buzzsawmonkey


What is interesting is not so much the racism itself, but how much
these writers were responsible for the conventions of adventure and
thriller stories which are still the norm today. And these conventions
have been continued without anyone looking at the racism which informs
their origin. The "evil genius" villains which are stock figures of
adventure or thriller fiction today started out in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries as either Jews, "Central Europeans" (usually Jews,
sometimes Germans), or malevolent Asians (usually Chinese/Mongols)--and
echoes of these ethnic/racial stereotypes remain.

See Phantom Menace, The


or the Ferengi from Star Trek: Next Generation.

252 AZDave  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:05:56pm

re: #140 Lucius Septimius

Here's the silliest evocation of the vast Joooooooooish conspiracy I've seen recently; from today's BotW (lead item)

The Concord (N.H.) Monitor misspelled a word the other day, and one reader blames the Jooz:

What is a "kafuffle"? It's not in the dictionary. Is it just another proofreading error? Or is it a further example of your acquiescence to the Israelization of American culture by attempting to pass obscure Yiddish words into the mainstream of the American language?

It's bad enough that we are steered toward war with the entire Arab world and beyond because our "friend" Israel won't relinquish its occupation of Palestine and make peace with its neighbors. Still we are suckered into giving Israel, the 14th richest country on earth, billions and billions of our tax dollars in foreign aid every year, and we gave it carte blanche to rampage through Lebanon destroying everything in its path and inflicting collective punishment on its people, an aggression internationally condemned as a war crime, yet condoned by the Bush administration and sheepishly accepted by the American people.

How can we hold our heads high and proud when our own county illegally attacks and invades an Arab country that had done nothing to us, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and wrecking their entire infrastructure, clearly Bush war crimes, all for the benefit of Israel because Saddam was assisting the families of Palestinian martyrs in their struggle against the illegal Israeli occupation of their land? We shouldn't be proud to be associated with Israel, and I don't appreciate their insidious adulteration of our language.

PETER DAVIS
Laconia

He's a proster chamoole, this one. Besides, any shlub knows the proper spelling of "kafuffle" is "meshugas."

Any bet on whether this nutjob is a Democrat?

253 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:11:49pm

Unfortunately science fiction writers of that period, along with every other branch of fiction, were influenced by the eugenics movement, which held that white, Anglo-Saxon males were the best human beings on the planet.

Eugenics, of course, was not a literary movement. It was considered up-to-the-minute science, and it was supported by a huge segment of the intellectual elites: writers, philanthropists, teachers. Sadly, it did influence fiction, and managed to ruin a lot of 19th-early 20th Century writing, as authors were forced to create ridiculously stereotyped characters, and go through all sorts of plot flip-flops in order fit in with the party line. Sad. Hilariously, it sometimes clear that the author actually likes the "bad" non-Anglo-Saxon characters better than the Aryan ones, and he really has to force himself to bring about their downfall.

(And I would like to defend Tolkien here. He seems to have been far less prejudiced than most Englishmen of his time and place. He wasn't anti-semetic, and he actually turned down flat an offer to have "The Hobbit" published in Germany, since he refused to provide them with any "Aryan" credentials. This, at a time when the literary/intellectual world was fawning all over Hitler and Nazi Germany. And Tolkien's friend and co-inkling, C.S. Lewis, doesn't seem to have been strongly prejudiced at all! In his Narnia books, anyone using the term "Darkie!" is always a bad guy, and in his book "That Hideous Strength" he really tears into those who want to subjugate and sterilize the "Lower races", and put other human beings in concentration camps, or reduce them to slaves.)

(Two other science fiction/fantasy writers, who came a bit later than Lewis and Tolkien: Andre Norton and Robert Heinlein, wrote about minority heroes, long before it was considered "cool" to do so. Heinlein has an underseved rep as a racist, because of that idiot "Starship Troopers" movie somebody made a while back; he wasn't.)

254 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:13:04pm

re: #251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #248 sultan_knish

re: #246 buzzsawmonkey


What is interesting is not so much the racism itself, but how much
these writers were responsible for the conventions of adventure and
thriller stories which are still the norm today. And these conventions
have been continued without anyone looking at the racism which informs
their origin. The "evil genius" villains which are stock figures of
adventure or thriller fiction today started out in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries as either Jews, "Central Europeans" (usually Jews,
sometimes Germans), or malevolent Asians (usually Chinese/Mongols)--and
echoes of these ethnic/racial stereotypes remain.

See Phantom Menace, The


or the Ferengi from Star Trek: Next Generation.

Right down to the sale of a pound of flesh, as I recall

I'm not sure who to blame though when Jewish producers and actors participate in this. The original material. The inability of creative people today to filter them out.

255 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:15:16pm

re: #253 TalkinKamel

Definitely. Tolkien's original rebuttal when there was income on the line and he could have used the money from the German publisher was a genuinely inspiring and noble thing.

Just compare it to modern Hollywood's willingness to trim anything that might offend Muslims from their movies, including Jews.

256 AZDave  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:15:46pm

re: #160 JammieWearingFool

re: #143 commander_vimes

The Lowe's people claim hey will redouble their proofreading efforts and "family tree" was a mistake.

Sure.

They'll probably switch it in English but leave it that way int he Spanish version.

It's all so stupid. The holiday is Christmas Hanukkah. Who the hell is offended that it's called a Christmas tree Hanukkah Bush?

Least we forget, it's Dec. 4 -- 12.

257 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:20:12pm

[Link: shadowdemocracy.wordpress.com...]

[Link: shadowdemocracy.wordpress.com...]

Must reads on Paul and Anti-Semitism from a former Paul staffer

"Ron Paul, my former boss, is not an explicit Anti-Semite, but he is most certainly anti-Israel and one could make a strong case - outright anti-Jewish.

During my 6-year stint with him, I served as his only Jewish staffer. He regularly touted me as proof against allegations that he wasn’t an Anti-Semite, even one time ordering me to wear Jewish clothing and attend a press conference of his Democrat opponent who was exposing his links to Anti-Semitic groups. I felt used.

(For the record, Ron did not know I was Jewish until I had already been hired.)

Ron and I finally departed ways, partly because I was ashamed to work for such an explicitly anti-Israel advocate.

If you still doubt his anti-Jewish/anti-Israel views, ask yourself this question:

Why is it that when Ron Paul talks about the evils of taxpayer dollars going overseas for foreign aid, he only singles out Israel as a recipient? Why does he never mention the billions we send each year to Egypt for foreign aide? Turkey, the Palestinians, other Nations? Never a peep out of Paul about those dollars. It’s just always the “Jews.”

Eric Dondero, Fmr. Senior Aide
US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
1997-2003

258 AZDave  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:20:58pm

re: #198 insanity police

re: #177 sultan_knish

I totally agree. Paulians never let truth get in their way.

Does any politician?

259 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:21:35pm
260 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:24:18pm

#246 buzzsawmonkey

Interjecting again here on the sci-fi; the old conventions of Adventure/Thriller stories got a complete kick in the pants back with the publication of "Dangerous Visions" and "Again Dangerous Visions", which turned a lot of the old stuff on its head!

And, of course, there were always crazy sci-fi adventure writers like James Schmitz and R.A. Lafferty, coming up with ideas that would make your head spin, and didn't depend on stereotypes. And "James Tiptree, Jr.", otherwise known as Alice Sheldon, and C.L. Moore, and Zenna Henderson, whose alien race---"The People"----who must flee their own planet, and settle on earth, always seemed Jewish to me!

And horror writers, such as Robert Bloch, who didn't depend on stereotypes, but who revealed the strangeness going on beneath supposedly normal facades.

So I don't think the old adventure conventions can be blamed for on-going racism, and stereotypes. (Certainly, the Eugenists, most of whom wouldn't have dreamed of reading anything so silly as an adventure novel, must bear a lot of the blame. And their baneful influence extended into much of the popular fiction of the time as well. We're just not as aware of it, because it hasn't lasted, whereas Lovecraft and Burroughs have. As for Lucas, from what I've heard of him, he apparently has some bugs up his a***s about a number of things, and would probably have them even if the old sci-fi adventure writers had never written a word.)

261 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:25:12pm

re: #253 TalkinKamel

that idiot
"Starship Troopers" movie somebody made a while back

Whoa, hold on a minute. Starship Troopers is the single greatest movie ever made on the topic of killing giant space grasshoppers.

262 Former Belgian  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:28:38pm

re: #153 Owl

Does anyone else get the feeling that this whole RP thing is a leftist ploy and RP is a stupid moron that's being played, and it's going to actually doom the libs in the end. Boy, I sure do - and I hope i'm right.

They just might think he can get the "nativist", paleocon Republicans (such as there are) to vote for him if he runs 3rd-party, and thus hand the White House to the Clintonistas. So I wouldn't put it past them to pump money into this intellectual autofellator's campaign --- through some cutouts, of course.

263 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:28:40pm

re: #260 TalkinKamel

and of course the Jews appeared explicitly in frank herbert's dune

264 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:28:40pm
265 Lauraf  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:40:09pm

re: #230 Lucius Septimius

re: #228 Lauraf


re: #219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #217 Lauraf

He's a proster chamoole, this one. Besides, any shlub knows the proper spelling of "kafuffle" is "meshugas."


And that Yiddish isn't the national language of Israel. LOL, what a moron.

I thought it was kerfuffle.

Me too. ? But I can't say I recall having seen it written very often so I dunno.


Come here for all your kerfuffle needs.

Obviously I haven't been looking in the right places! Thanks... I think.

266 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:40:21pm

re: #264 buzzsawmonkey

re: #254 sultan_knish

I'm not sure who to blame though when Jewish producers and actors participate in this. The original material. The inability of creative people today to filter them out.

Mere Jewish ethnicity does not magically imbue an actor or producer with the ability to recognize negative stereotypes.

The first X-Men movie was an example of this; Stan Lee is a Jew, halachically, but the film was as anti-Jewish as it could possibly be. Not only is the villain a Jewish survivor of the camps; he personifies the "angry G-d of the Old Testament" who is contrasted with the "loving G-d of the New Testament" personified by Dr. Xavier ("Savior," get it?). The evil Magneto then re-enacts the Akeidah (the binding of Isaac) in the Statue of Liberty, and is prevented from carrying out this human sacrifice (shades of the Protocols!) only when Xavier's team arrives to save the day. Not coincidentally, one of Xavier's team is bearded, with healing powers and trinitarian stigmata (Wolverine). Remind you of anyone?

Yes, interestingly Bryan Singer seems to obsessively insert biblical themes into his superhero movies, with Superman as Jesus in Superman Returns.

Anyone who watches TV or movies in general, can't help but notice to what extent Jews insert hostile and anti-jewish stereotypes into their projects

To some extent it's like a friend of mine who was overweight and constantly made for of himself, before anyone else could

267 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 12:40:30pm
268 J.S.  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:00:00pm

re: #267 buzzsawmonkey

As you've noted -- if you really start to look for antisemitic stereotypes -- you're going to find them. And it's not confined to sci-fi, or cheap paperbacks. It's in Charles Dickens, it's in Dostoyevsky, it's in Fitzgerald (recall that noxious character in the Great Gatsby?), etc. In some of Dostoevsky's works, it's "fly-over-country" -- or "must skip..." (it really mars Dostoevsky's writing, but then you just have to overlook it...as whenever Dostoyevsky goes into "rant mode.") Anyway, melodrama sells..(but I certainly don't wish to see racist stereotypes ever again becoming an acceptable norm.)

269 profitsbeard  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:04:10pm

Does "Belien" translate to "Ron" in Vlaams (Flemish)?

If it honks like a goose and flaps like a goose and steps like a goose...

270 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:12:42pm

#59 buzzsawmonkey

I think you might be reading a bit too much into dwarves = Jews in C.S. Lewis. (Maybe Wagner meant them to substitute as Jews, maybe he didn't---but Wagner was Wagner.) I've re-read Lewis' books many times, and I've never once thought of them as being Jewish, or meant to represent Jews, or any other human group for that matter.

In his biography, Lewis describes that he loved the idea of dwarves, "little people", and as a boy he often made himself quite sick with wanting to actually see one! And, even as a grown man, he was charmed by the ones in Disney's "Snow White." I think he saw them, good or bad, as creatures of the land of Faerie, not as Jews, or anything else human.

And, of course, against this, you've got to set Lewis' other books, such as "That Hideous Strength", where, whenever a character starts making negative remarks about Jews, or "Lower Races", they invariably turn out to be a villain and/or a dimwit.

#263 Sultan_Knish

Honest to G-d, I've never been able to get beyond the first few chapters of Dune anyway, so I wouldn't know! Herbert kills off all his really good characters at the beginning of the series! After that, it was all down hill. (He was something of a new-age twit, anyhoo.)

As for the bigger question of who'se to blame: Jewish writers, actors, the old conventions, creative types who can't get beyond it---well, that is a biggie!

As for the Jewish Writers, not being Jewish myself, I don't feell qualified to judge them. If I could, I like to see some great Jewish writers like Isaac Asimov and Cynthia Ozick weigh in on that!

My own belief is that it's the fault of the individual writers themselves. After the "Dangerous Visions" movement, the sci-fi community really did purge itself of a lot of the old conventions---and even before that, that there were a lot of science fiction writers who never went along with them in the first place.

And there is Eugenics. We've forgotten----for very good reasons---how very pervasive it was back then, rather like ecology and "thinking green" pervade, and are accepted, in our culture today. Science/adventure fiction wasn't the only fiction that pushed this point of view, and it wasn't responsible for creating it in the first place. We don't realize that these days, because the majority of Mundane fiction pushing the very same point of view died the death (and deservedly so.) Ever heard of "The Bishop's Carriage?" Heh, heh, didn't think so! You have heard of Lovecraft because, whatever his faults, he was a better writer than whoever wrote "Carriage" (can't remember the name at the moment), and his work has lasted.

Certainly, a genre in which the stars are writers like Octavia Butler (black and female), Isaac Asimov (Jewish), Samuel R. Delany (black and gay), James Tiptree, Jr. (female, probably gay) and R.A. Lafferty (certified loon) is neither racist nor exclusionary. And, "mundane" literature has plenty of creeps and goons, as witness Norman Mailer and Susan Sontag, and pushes many awful myths.

Heck, if you're gonna blame old writers for all the wretched excess of modern ones, you might as well blame Homer, for starting the whole adventure/fantasy genre in the first place! But I think it's better to blame the actual offenders.

271 1389  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:13:43pm

re: #136 looking closely

re: #2 Shug

Jews for Ron Paul is like Lung cancer Patients for marlboros


Well, many lung cancer patients actually enjoy Marlboros (or once did).

I don't think Paul ever enjoyed the support of Jews.

Frankly, I think this blog is spending too much time on Paul. No matter how much his internet kooks can raise in a day, he's worthless and doesn't stand a snowballs' chance in hell of getting the Republican nomination, even if McCain, Giuliani, and Romney were all to be simultaneously killed in a tragic accident.

I don't even think he'd be a particularly great "spoiler" candidate, though like many, I believe if he were narcissitic enough to try to run as a third party candidate, he'd hurt the Democrat candidate more than the Republican.

I'm getting bored with Ron Paul.

I think he is a naive individual who has no clue what sort of bad people are running loose in the world. Thus, some of them have gotten into his campaign. It goes without saying that someone so clueless is not qualified to be president.

272 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:16:59pm
273 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:20:20pm
274 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:22:40pm

buzzsawmonkey

Honestly, I think we are even!

One book you might enjoy reading which talks about a lot of this stuff, is "Star Wars on Trial", which I think is available from the mighty Amazon---i.e., Amazon.com. I'll try and dig up some more info on it.

There are certainly a number of themes that bother me in a number of books, whether Sci-fi or not; one of them---and I got a lot of flack from Harry Potter fans, when I brought this up---is the whole idea of the great savior hero who will come to save us all, and the magical race of super-beings who are set above us to protect us.

And now that I've said that, I'm gonna drop it, because I really caught enough grief for that the first time I brough it up!

I hate the Superman-as-Jesus stuff in the movies. I think it's plain old lack of imagination. Bible stories, whether Old or New Testament, are strongly compelling tales----I know, I teach a Sunday School class, and I think the temptation is just too great for those who have no ideas of their own to start borrowing from them, willy-nilly. Actually, if they'd actually lower themselves to read the actual Superman comics they'd come up with a wealth of fascinating ideas, none of them dependant on Biblical themes. But I suspect they think themselves a bit above all that. One problem might be that a lot of these guys are just too afraid to actually surrender to uncool ideas, and unleash their inner fan-boy/fan-girl, and let their ideas really carry them away. They want to do fantasy/sci-fi---it brings in the bucks, after all---but they also want to be grown-up and "serious", so of course they start spouting the same-ol', same-ol', or they just regurgitate their own nauseating, recycled prejudices.

Writing is work, and Science fiction/fantasy is work; I suspect a lot of these guys just aren't up to the job.

275 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:24:45pm

buzzsawmonkey

Yes, I know you gave Lewis the pass on that. I just thought you might feel better to know that he was okay on the dwarves, too!

276 1389  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:27:09pm

re: #261 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just gotta say... great nickname you have!

277 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:29:03pm

#272 buzzsawmonkey

Much childrens' programming really and truly is vile, and, for whatever reason, too many childrens' programs downgrade intelligence. Smart people, after all, don't make good, obedient workers, and don't "fit in" to society.

I loved the recent Disney movie, "Wilbur Robinson", because it shows a loving, close-knit family of super-genuises, living in this wonderful high-tech future!

Whatever his faults, Disney, and Japanese animator Hiyao Miyazaki, seem pretty, consistently, excellent, and not filled with hateful messages, or hateful stereotypes. Everything else for kids, especially the supposedly educational stuff, really has to be scrutinized.

278 Dianna  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:29:51pm

re: #253 TalkinKamel

About Heinlein, who is someone I deeply admire:

Read Sixth Column and Farnham's Freehold, and then tell me he didn't have some problems about race. He did. He tried to overcome them, but they were there.

279 J.S.  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:32:13pm

re: #272 buzzsawmonkey

As you're probably aware, the whole notion of "evil genius" originated with Descartes' Meditations...(I recall reading his Meditations for the first time -- required reading for a Philosophy class -- and being struck by this hideous thought of Descartes' -- maybe I'm a bit slow -- but it (that is, the idea of an "evil genius") that idea had never before occurred to me...(and the way in which it comes up in The Meditations -- it's sprung on you...) (Descartes, I later read, was almost charged with blasphemy). Prior to reading Descartes, I had always associated only good things with "genius." (and, personally, I don't know how to "put the genie back into the bottle" as it were...)

280 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:38:36pm
281 Dianna  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:39:42pm

re: #270 TalkinKamel

James Tiptree, Jr. (female, probably gay)

Alice Sheldon was married for many years. She took her own life after killing her Alzheimer-ridden husband; we do not know if it was her decision, or his request.

Alice Sheldon was an incredible writer. Her orientation makes no difference; it troubles me to see her so characterized, particularly when I consider her end.

282 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:39:52pm
283 Dianna  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:44:49pm

re: #280 buzzsawmonkey

Bluntly, I must disagree; if there is a Muslim/Koranic element to the society of the future, I have never seen it. "Racial victim" wasn't the point; Heinlein was talking about character - or Grace wouldn't have been such a disaster - and his personal issues with race got in the way.

I will never forget when I first encountered Sixth Column, and the sheer horror it induced. I never read any of his books the same way again; remarks that seemed casual suddenly weren't, as in Farmer in the Sky, or in Glory Road.

284 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:48:55pm

re: #207 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

re: #200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It was all foretold by the mad Arab Abdul Al-Hazred in the Necronomicon.


I've never read that.

I work in the rare book biz. I'll keep my eyes open for you.
/

Got it in paperback. It was published by Avon Books. I think the ISBN is 0-380-75192-5

"Stoop not down, therefore,
Unto the Darkly-Splendid World,
Werein continually lieth a faithless Depth
And Hades wrapped in clouds,
Delighting in unitelligible images
Precipitous, winding,
A black, ever-rolling Abyss
Ever espousing a body unluminous
Formless
And Void"

The Chaldean Oracles of Zoroaster

It is a definatly strange book

285 AZDave  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:57:05pm

re: #153 Owl

re: #142 sultan_knish

[snip]

Does anyone else get the feeling that this whole RP thing is a leftist ploy and RP is a stupid moron that's being played, and it's going to actually doom the libs in the end. Boy, I sure do - and I hope i'm right.

Don't know about the leftist ploy part, but RP definitely qualifies as a stupid moron.

286 so.cal.swede  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:57:55pm

/FJORDMAN!1

287 Golem14  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 1:58:12pm

#155 buzzsawmonkey

Eternal damnation for not supporting Ron Paul?

Reminds me of that Monty Python commercial for Whizzo Butter:
"Vote for Ron Paul and go to HEAVEN!"

288 so.cal.swede  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:00:44pm

re: #284 Bubblehead II

re: #207 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #201 buzzsawmonkey


re: #200 The Pulchritudinous PatriotIt was all foretold by the mad Arab Abdul Al-Hazred in the Necronomicon.


I've never read that.


I work in the rare book biz. I'll keep my eyes open for you.
/

Got it in paperback. It was published by Avon Books. I think the ISBN is 0-380-75192-5

"Stoop not down, therefore,
Unto the Darkly-Splendid World,
Werein continually lieth a faithless Depth
And Hades wrapped in clouds,
Delighting in unitelligible images
Precipitous, winding,
A black, ever-rolling Abyss
Ever espousing a body unluminous
Formless
And Void"

The Chaldean Oracles of Zoroaster

It is a definatly strange book

Other titles not to miss from HP Lovecraft include Call of Cthulhu
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Very flowery and weird language, but intriguing. Neat board games made from them too.

289 bald headed geek  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:01:24pm

re: #2 Shug

ROTFLMAO!

:-D

BHG

290 bald headed geek  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:03:29pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I wonder how Atlas Shrugs will respond to this.

BHG

291 bald headed geek  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:06:47pm

Did anyone else catch this delightful piece of anti-Semitic tripe posted in a letter to the editor in the Christian Science Monitor?

[Link: www.cmonitor.com...]

This guy HAS to be a Paulistinian............

BHG

292 Former Belgian  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:07:11pm

starsre: #261 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #253 TalkinKamel

that idiot
"Starship Troopers" movie somebody made a while back

Whoa, hold on a minute. Starship Troopers is the single greatest movie ever made on the topic of killing giant space grasshoppers.

Starship Troopers, the movie, is a sick joke, almost as if Paul Verhoeven deliberately tried to parody it.

Starship Troopers, the BOOK by Heinlein, is the founding father of the whole military SF genre, and one of my favorite SF books of all time. Heinlein --- a naval officer with a peacetime medical discharge --- wrote it to answer for himself the question "why we fight".

If you come from a left-wing perspective it's probably Heinlein's most disturbing book to read, and many people mistake his views for fascism. (Heinlein's own views would be best described as Libertarian in today's lingo.)

One of the philosophical concepts Heinlein puts forth in the book is that morality --- if it is successful --- must be rooted in the human instinct to survive. Correct morals are simply survivals instincts at levels above the individual --- family, tribe, [...], country, civilization, and finally humanity itself. The way I read it, the survival imperative at any given level can only be put aside for a need to survive one level up in the chain.

293 Former Belgian  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:12:04pm

re: #288 so.cal.swede


Other titles not to miss from HP Lovecraft include Call of Cthulhu
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Very flowery and weird language, but intriguing. Neat board games made from them too.

Not to mention Metallica's most famous instrumental:

(No video, just the studio track. They have a video for the "S&M" verson, but to me that sounds a bit too much like an outtake from a James Bond soundtrack.


)

294 neocon hippie  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:37:43pm

re: #291 bald headed geek

Did anyone else catch this delightful piece of anti-Semitic tripe posted in a letter to the editor in the Christian Science Monitor?

[Link: www.cmonitor.com...]

This guy HAS to be a Paulistinian............

BHG

This was posted earlier in the thread, and it's the Concord (NH) Monitor, not the CS Monitor

295 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:43:25pm

#261 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Pfooey! "Starship Troopers", the movie, is a miserable travesty of "Starship Troopers" the book, the bestest novel ever about brave earth people fighting evil bug creatures! I fart in its general direction, and wiggle my ears contemptuously at it.

#281 Dianna

I agree with buzzsawmonkey, #280; I see "Farnham's Freehold" as a tale cautioning against succumbing to the temptation of seeing oneself as a victim, not a racist screed. He wrote too much other, non-racist stuff, and he was too intelligent a writer just to lapse into mindless prejudice.

And when I mention Alice Sheldon's possible sexual orientation, I wan't condeming her at all! I admire the openess and inclusivity of the Sci-fi community, and I love Sheldon/Tipree's writing, even at its bitterest! I was using her as, what I thought, was a good example. If you're not comfortable with her, there's always Joanna Russ and Samuel R. Delaney, who were, and are, very open about their sexual orientation, C.L. Moore, a nice, heterosexual lady secretary, who wrote rip-roaring adventures when nice lady types were supposed to write cookbooks and funny little short stories about kids or dogs, and Leigh Brackett, who was married to Sci-fi writer Edmund G. Hamilton, and who had a full career as a screenwriter, as well as a science fiction writer.

Julie Phillips has written about Alice Sheldon's marriage, and her confusion re her sexuality in her biography "James Tiptree, Jr.; The Double Life of Alice B. Sheldon". You might be interested in reading it, though I warn you; Sheldon was a very troubled woman, and there are disturbing aspects to the murder/suicide with her husband. But it's an insightful, compassionate biography.

Buzzsawmonkey, I kick myself in the hump, and wiggle my ears contemptuously at myself. I can't find the author of that book, but its title is "Star Wars on Trial" and I'm certain Amazon carries it. (amazon carries everything! amazon has conquered to world! Bow before Amazon.com, puny earthlings!)

296 bald headed geek  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:49:32pm

re: #294 neocon hippie

You are correct. My mistake. Sorry..........

BHG

297 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:53:04pm

re: #292 Former Belgian

starsre: #261 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #253 TalkinKamel

that idiot
"Starship Troopers" movie somebody made a while back

Whoa, hold on a minute. Starship Troopers is the single greatest movie ever made on the topic of killing giant space grasshoppers.

Starship Troopers, the movie, is a sick joke, almost as if Paul Verhoeven deliberately tried to parody it.

Considering Verhoeven's politics I imagine he did

298 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:53:55pm

re: #285 AZDave

re: #153 Owl

re: #142 sultan_knish

[snip]

Does anyone else get the feeling that this whole RP thing is a leftist ploy and RP is a stupid moron that's being played, and it's going to actually doom the libs in the end. Boy, I sure do - and I hope i'm right.

Don't know about the leftist ploy part, but RP definitely qualifies as a stupid moron.

I think there are good odds that a chunk of Ron Paul's campaign is backed by the Obama or Clinton campaign or by guys like Soros

299 Dianna  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 2:59:47pm

re: #295 TalkinKamel

Oh, dear, you misunderstood! Her stories may make one uncomfortable, but that's at least part of the point of speculative fiction. I don't think I'll ever forget the thrill of reading The Screwfly Solution for the first time.

Alice Sheldon was a very private person, thus her nom de plume and her ability to confound the reader determined to practice literary donatism; I remember when Silverberg thought she was a man, which just killed me in retrospect. The point is that she was female, but not gay, and - while she probably would have been amused as hell by the mistake - it would be nice if she were accurately portrayed.

I don't like to see her mischaracterized, that's all.

300 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 3:11:28pm
301 nikis-knight  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 3:11:37pm

re: #295 TalkinKamel

#261 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Buzzsawmonkey, I kick myself in the hump, and wiggle my ears contemptuously at myself. I can't find the author of that book, but its title is "Star Wars on Trial" and I'm certain Amazon carries it. (amazon carries everything! amazon has conquered to world! Bow before Amazon.com, puny earthlings!)

David Brin, iirc, a sci-fi Libertarian author (with a touch of anti-republican and anti-religious bias, but that only shows up if you dig a bit in his website.) A rather interesting book.

302 sultan_knish  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 4:12:50pm

re: #300 buzzsawmonkey

you might also note the treatment of black and jewish character in I Will Fear No Evil and The Number of the Beast

303 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 4:57:35pm

#299 Dianna

The Phillips biography makes out a pretty case that Sheldon, while married and not actively gay, was somewhat confused vis-a-vis her sexual orientation. I don't think that's necessarily mischaracterizing her. And, of course, it really doesn't make any difference.

Re-read "Screwfly Solution" today. Great story! That last line, about the "real estate agent" is classic!

#300 buzzsawmonkey

In his novel, "Citizen of the Galazy", the horrible first planet the hero, Thorby, first finds himself on, seems very Islamic in its governmental and societal structure.

304 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 5:00:54pm

In fact, as I recall, I believe it is mentioned by another character, later in the book, that this particular planet was settled by Moslems, and cast-conscious Hindus and others who didn't like the more free and easy ways of the other solar systems.

Thorby is eventually rescued by a ship of "Free Traders", who travel from planet to planet, trading. They come from all different earth races and cultures; the ones who rescue Thorby are, apparently, originally Finnish. Their ship is named Sisu.

305 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 8:04:18pm

Not to interupt the literary debates, but...

y'all ought to go look at the comments collecting under this latest Brussels Journal article. Some guy named "captainchaos" protesting that he's not an antisemite while proving that he is exactly that, in post after post.

More eye-opening stuff oozing out of the BJ readership over there.

306 Red Pencil  Thu, Nov 15, 2007 9:57:51pm

Jim C. Perry of Jews for Ron Paul: A Gay, Pagan, Quaker, Cherokee, Unitarian, Seminarian, Minister. Oh yes, and an Orthodox Jew with "Christian" his middle name.

I think I now understand why Ron Paul always aces those internet polls. It is not, as some claim, that he has broad appeal. Rather, Ron Paul has a very narrow appeal --- but it's entirely to people with severe multiple personality disorders.

307 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 16, 2007 7:33:29am

#305 Dead Sea Squirrel

Yes, I know---doncha just love it when they drop the mask, and display their true, repulsive selves for all the world to see?

And these are the guys we're supposed to make an alliance with?

Charles, you really lifted a rock and exposed some nasty, crawling stuff with your Vlaaams Belang stuff! But keep up the good work!

308 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 16, 2007 7:35:52am

#305 nikis-knight

Yes, I enjoyed the Brin book very much, and thought he raised some very interesting questions about literary templates, stereotypes et al (though Star Wars is, of course, his primary target).

buzzsawmonkey and Sultan Knish, if you can get it, I think you'd both find it very interesting.

309 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 16, 2007 7:41:52am

Just a comment on my earlier post about Zenna Henderson's alien race, "The People" seeming very Jewish----"the People" are extremely likable, and unjustly persecuted; they are neither villains nor victims, but heroes.

310 Dead Sea Squirrel  Fri, Nov 16, 2007 9:08:17am

Another update.

The posted article at BJ that started this thread has been REMOVED.

311 TalkinKamel  Fri, Nov 16, 2007 10:12:46am

#310 Dead Sea Squirrel

Hoping to hide the evidence.


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