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Obama Marched with Farrakhan

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 3:17:06 pm PDT

Lots of readers emailed about this one, an article from 1995 in the Chicago Reader that confirms Barack Obama did take part in Louis Farrakhan’s Million Man March—in his own words: Chicago Reader: What Makes Obama Run?

Obama took time off from attending campaign coffees to attend October’s Million Man March in Washington, D.C. His experiences there only reinforced his reasons for jumping into politics.

“What I saw was a powerful demonstration of an impulse and need for African-American men to come together to recognize each other and affirm our rightful place in the society,” he said. “There was a profound sense that African-American men were ready to make a commitment to bring about change in our communities and lives.”

“But what was lacking among march organizers was a positive agenda, a coherent agenda for change. Without this agenda a lot of this energy is going to dissipate. Just as holding hands and singing ‘We shall overcome’ is not going to do it, exhorting youth to have pride in their race, give up drugs and crime, is not going to do it if we can’t find jobs and futures for the 50 percent of black youth who are unemployed, underemployed, and full of bitterness and rage.” ...

“This doesn’t suggest that the need to look inward emphasized by the march isn’t important, and that these African-American tribal affinities aren’t legitimate. These are mean, cruel times, exemplified by a ‘lock ‘em up, take no prisoners’ mentality that dominates the Republican-led Congress. Historically, African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us, and that white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing.”

“But cursing out white folks is not going to get the job done. Anti-Semitic and anti-Asian statements are not going to lift us up. We’ve got some hard nuts-and-bolts organizing and planning to do. We’ve got communities to build.”

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:18:07pm
2 winston06  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:18:24pm

Obama scares me... What does he stand for? Racism? Communism? Socialism? What's he?

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:18:44pm
4 NoSubmission  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:18:59pm

Opportunist! Shameless sell out!~

5 addison  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:20:11pm

re: #2 winston06

Obama scares me... What does he stand for? Racism? Communism? Socialism? What's he?

Neo-Marxism with a loving pinch of barely-veiled anti-white bigotry.

6 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:20:27pm

Given Obama's history and relations with controversial figures, does this suprise anyone? And his condemnation of Farrakhan receiving an award from Jeremiah Wright should now be called into question as to whether his criticism of Wright is authentic. He lied about not hearing Wright's sermons -- admitted in his speech. Where is the MSM to ask him about the sincerity of his distaste that Wright gave Farrakhan an award.

Or, is Chris Matthews still dealing with that tingle in his leg whenever Obama's name is mentioned?

7 Charles  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:21:28pm

"Lock 'em up" and "take no prisoners" at the same time?

How does that work?

8 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:21:47pm

re: #6 MrAndMrsSmith

Which leg is tingling? Left, right or center.

Chris matthews is such a polibimbo he lusts in his heart for the furthest leftist he can find

9 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:21:56pm

Re: #5 Addison

He reminds the wife and myself of a closet fascist wrapped in the swaddling cloth of socialism.

10 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:22:00pm

Sweet, I need to see pictures!

11 surrounded  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:22:01pm
“There was a profound sense that African-American men were ready to make a commitment to bring about change in our communities and lives.”


So....how's that workin' out for ya?

12 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:22:04pm

re: #2 winston06

Obama scares me... What does he stand for? Racism? Communism? Socialism? What's he?

The spirit of anti-Christ.

13 EC Marm  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:22:19pm
14 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:22:43pm

re: #13 EC Marm

Time for a Photoshop.

Good job, ec.

15 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:22:50pm

Re: #8 Sojerofgod

Matthews never answered that question, and truth be told, I don't think we really want to know.

16 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:22:55pm
17 DesertSage  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:23:09pm

It's an Obamanation!

18 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:23:21pm
Historically, African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us

That's absolutely Wright.

19 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:23:27pm

re: #13 EC Marm

Yikes. Those fangs made me think for a second he was becoming Blackula!

20 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:24:18pm

re: #15 MrAndMrsSmith

I could make a spirited guess. But like you say, who really wants to go there.

21 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:24:19pm

The linking of Farrakhan to Obama may make some people wake up and take notice. maybe

22 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:24:21pm

re: #13 EC Marm

Time for a Photoshop.

Very well done.

23 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:24:25pm

re: #13 EC Marm


You're pretty good with those.

24 RobCon  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:24:41pm

He was pretty good with the class A bull shinola even then.

25 surrounded  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:24:59pm
white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing

...because we are busy dealing with the profound problems white Americans face each day.

26 Terp Mole  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:25:28pm

Meanwhile, a few blocks from the DC Mall;

GeorgetownU: Santorum Blasts Radical Islamists

“The greatest threat to this country,” Santorum said, is "Islamofascism” or “radical jihadism.”

Cue CAIR's Islamophobia slur in 4... 3... 2...

27 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:26:01pm

re: #24 RobCon


Ever seen shinola? It's shoe polish that is perfectly the color of, well, lets just say it reminds me of Chris Matthews...

28 winston06  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:26:04pm

re: #5 addison

He's good for Cuba, not America. Let him run Cuba. :-)

29 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:26:58pm

From the same article:

"What we need in America, especially in the African-American community, is a moral agenda that is tied to a concrete agenda for building and rebuilding our communities," he said. "We have moved beyond the clarion call stage that was needed during the civil rights movement. Now, like Nelson Mandela in South Africa, we must move into a building stage. We must invest our energy and resources in a massive rebuilding effort and invent new mechanisms to strengthen and hasten this community-building effort.

"We have no shortage of moral fervor," said Obama. "We have some wonderful preachers in town--preachers who continue to inspire me--preachers who are magnificent at articulating a vision of the world as it should be. In every church on Sunday in the African-American community we have this moral fervor; we have energy to burn."

/Rev. Wright Wrong

30 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:27:34pm

re: #21 mama winger

Nah,

The MSM is going to bury this one, just like all the rest. Anderson Cooper will damn anyone as a racist who so much as brings up the subject.

With all the bishops harmonizing lines...

31 Bobibutu  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:28:01pm

re: #7 Charles

"Lock 'em up" and "take no prisoners" at the same time?

How does that work?

Only the Shadow knows.

32 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:28:03pm

"...AND THE BEAT GOES ON..." , Sonny & Cher.

-S-

33 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:28:05pm

of course hussein marched w/ farrakhan and of course he heard and agrees w. all rev wright's hateful "sermon's" why would he be attracted to that outfit? why would he attend for 20 ys. he is lying when he says he had no idea what was going on. he is dangerous.

34 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:29:02pm
35 Bobibutu  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:29:26pm

Come on Hillary - quit teasing us and take this guy out once and for all. Please.

36 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:29:28pm
What Makes Obama Run?

Lawyer, teacher, philanthropist, and author Barack Obama doesn't need another career. But he's entering politics to get back to his true passion--community organization.

By Hank De Zutter
December 8, 1995

A full 13 years before the Rev. Wright incident.....

37 Wild Knight  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:29:41pm

OT

Check this out Charles:

David Mamet ditches liberalism

Another liberal intellectual sees the light...

38 NoSubmission  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:29:47pm

re: #13 EC Marm

Time for a Photoshop.


Perfect!

39 Sol Roth  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:30:12pm
African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us...”

How many examples must be offered up to demonstrate Black Separation Marxism is Obama's long-standing, formative and guiding doctrine?

40 surrounded  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:30:41pm

I now believe that Obama is the stealth candidate of the Black Nationalist Movement. Ayers, Wright, and Farrakhan, etc., planned it out thoroughly and are now executing their plot. Unfortunately, he just isn't stealthy enough. They failed to cover their tracks.

41 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:30:53pm

Re: #20 Sojerofgod

I agree. That's a private matter for Matthews, Obama, and Matthews' wife/her divorce attorney to discuss. (Especially if Matthews has to view an interview with Obama before climbing into bed with his wife.)

"Sweety, can you say 'hope' and 'change' for me tonight?"

42 bj  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:30:56pm

Why don't the 50% unemployed, uneducated blacks do what the other 50% of blacks who are educated and employed have done (and do well)? It's not like it's impossible, osama-bama.

43 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:31:15pm

re: #7 Charles

"Lock 'em up" and "take no prisoners" at the same time?

How does that work?

/Quit pointing out the obvious, please.

44 Shug  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:31:16pm

Million man march madness

45 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:31:20pm
"But cursing out white folks is not going to get the job done. Anti-Semitic and anti-Asian statements are not going to lift us up. We’ve got some hard nuts-and-bolts organizing and planning to do. We’ve got communities to build.”

We've got a Manchurian Candidate to run and a White House to win.

Yep.

So we've noticed.

~ENT

46 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:31:26pm

A youthful indiscretion.

/

47 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:31:41pm
48 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:32:24pm

re: #36 lone_wolf_in_illinois

What Makes Obama Run?

Lawyer, teacher, philanthropist, and author Barack Obama doesn't need another career. But he's entering politics to get back to his true passion--community organization.

By Hank De Zutter
December 8, 1995

A full 13 years before the Rev. Wright incident.....

What is this philanthropist accolade ? Was he giving money away left and right in 1995? I thought the Obamas couldn't afford piano lessons for the kids, and were mired in student loan debt.

Where's the money coming from?

49 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:32:25pm

I think there is no question that Obama is a typical political person, that is, a lying sack of shinola simulacrum. What makes him so dangerous is that he is shining on this superstar act and the media is eating it up. Now we adults know that the media is inhabited by overage teens with arrested development, but the frightening thing is all these young first-time voters, who are following him with no critical examination. I think we've all seen reports of his groupies being asked about the Wright scandal and their response has been a unanimous "Who?"
If these dupes manage to elect Obama we will be in for a repeat of the Carter years, on steroids.

50 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:32:47pm

re: #17 DesertSage

It's an Obamanation!

/Premature Obamanation?

51 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:33:03pm

And this crap didn’t make Michelle proud?

Talk about high maintenance.

52 Opinionated  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:33:30pm

“What I saw was a powerful demonstration of an impulse and need for African-American men to come together to recognize each other

If Obama needed to know how to recognize Black men, shouldn't he have asked his "typically White racist " grandmother for the cues she uses.

53 NoSubmission  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:33:33pm

re: #49 sojerofgod

I think there is no question that Obama is a typical political person, that is, a lying sack of shinola simulacrum. What makes him so dangerous is that he is shining on this superstar act and the media is eating it up. Now we adults know that the media is inhabited by overage teens with arrested development, but the frightening thing is all these young first-time voters, who are following him with no critical examination. I think we've all seen reports of his groupies being asked about the Wright scandal and their response has been a unanimous "Who?"
If these dupes manage to elect Obama we will be in for a repeat of the Carter years, on steroids.


I like to call it, voter nulllification.

54 surrounded  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:33:43pm

Why don't you forget about being the "black community" and just be Americans. I think you would do rather well on your own. Try walking without the crutch for a while.

55 Alouette  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:33:56pm

re: #48 mama winger

What is this philanthropist accolade ? Was he giving money away left and right in 1995? I thought the Obamas couldn't afford piano lessons for the kids, and were mired in student loan debt.

Where's the money coming from?

(Sung to the tune of "Mickey Mouse")

G-E-O-R-G-E
S-O-R-O-S

56 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:33:56pm

re: #34 ploome hineni

Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican

/ you KNOW what to do!

Procreate for parochialism?
Procreate for predominance?

I don't know....

Sounds a little weir0d to me, ploome.

57 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:35:02pm
But cursing out white folks is not going to get the job done.

Tell it to rev. wright!

58 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:36:08pm

Re: #49 Sojerofgod

"If these dupes manage to elect Obama we will be in for a repeat of the Carter years, on steroids."

If these poor fools elect Obama I see history repeating in the worst possible sense of the term. In fact, the history that would repeat would likely be this one:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

59 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:36:26pm

His association with the odious ACORN is more than enough disqualify him.

It's as if it's his mission in life, his calling, to work for social justice.

That too.

60 Shug  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:36:34pm

re: #48 mama winger

What is this philanthropist accolade ? Was he giving money away left and right in 1995? I thought the Obamas couldn't afford piano lessons for the kids, and were mired in student loan debt.

Where's the money coming from?


He stuck a few cents in a red kettle out in front of a k mart.

the audacity of embellishment

61 NY Nana  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:37:36pm

re: #13 EC Marm

Great one!

62 akak  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:37:52pm

Change Hussein Obama

CHO

63 jopa416  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:37:56pm

Obama can say all he wants about bringing people together. He is a racist phoney who would re-institute slavery in 1 second as long as white people were the slaves. He would see nothing wrong with that.

The truely scary part about him though is that he hates this country with a passion. The very country that made him wealthy & powerful, he hates it. Sad.

64 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:38:04pm
"The right wing, the Christian right, has done a good job of building these organizations of accountability, much better than the left or progressive forces have. But it's always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia. And they also have hijacked the higher moral ground with this language of family values and moral responsibility.
65 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:38:13pm

I have been looking, but I cannot find who his employer was when he moved to Chicago. How did he support himself and his family? Who pays a 'community activist'? Can someone who knows more dig deeper?

66 Bubbaman  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:38:56pm

In honor of the season, "W" has been drinking some cherry-flavored Kool-Aid as evidenced by his latest:

Israel-PA accord is near

67 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:39:22pm

re: #58 MrAndMrsSmith

It's possible. I think what would be worse is if he has big coattails. if the Dems get 67 or close to it in the senate, they will bankrupt the country. That would be economic collapse on a global scale. The terrorists wouldn't have to send planes into skyscrapers, the would just come in and buy up the country at fire sale prices.

68 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:39:33pm

Re: #62 Akak

Shouldn't that be Chode, as in Captain Chode McBlob?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

69 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:39:58pm

How many sides of his mouth can Obama speak out of?

70 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:39:59pm

re: #64 JammieWearingFool

"The right wing, the Christian right, has done a good job of building these organizations of accountability, much better than the left or progressive forces have. But it's always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia. And they also have hijacked the higher moral ground with this language of family values and moral responsibility.

So now I'm a bigot and a fake.

71 CJW  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:40:31pm

I suppose that Barrack Hussein Obama would have run away from Farrakhan, rather than walk with him, if he'd realized Farrakhan was preaching black nationalism.

72 Tarkus289  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:40:31pm

Speak like Martin (Luther King) act Like Malcom (x). That was the plan that was hatched a few years ago, when they realized that America would never elect a Sharpton or a Jackson. They needed a smooth talking good looking candidate to fool us into electing him.

Do Not Let This Happen..

73 NY Nana  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:41:16pm

re: #69 jaunte

How many sides of his mouth can Obama speak out of?

More than we can count, and he blows it out his rear...uh, ear.

74 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:41:17pm

re: #48 mama winger

What is this philanthropist accolade ? Was he giving money away left and right in 1995? I thought the Obamas couldn't afford piano lessons for the kids, and were mired in student loan debt.

Where's the money coming from?

Exactly.

A philanthropist at age 33? Not buying it.

Him and his mean wife gave less that 1% of their income to charity.

Some philanthropy.

75 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:42:35pm

re: #47 ploome hineni

and you have to really read what he is saying, he parses his words very carefully

allowing all those rediculous arrogant talking heads on tv put their own spin on what he said

he said on the VIEW that the rev Wright apologized

the rev did no such thing...no one questiona him about it

Obviously, their View is myopic.

76 Sifty  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:43:09pm

I used to think Obama was an empty suit until I found out he was full o' shit.

77 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:43:26pm

He should resign from the Senate as well as drop out of this race. That is my opinion. That is all.

78 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:43:35pm

Re: #67 Sojerofgod

Precisely the point. He has no clue as to how the nation's economy works (hence the over-exaggerated budget he's proposing, translating into higher taxes, which would severaly damage a slowing economy already). Additionally, you make the point that should be our focus from this point through the general. McCain can beat the shrew and the man of "hope" and "change" with his eyes closed. We have to do what's necessary to maintain the numbers in the Congress. Especially in the Senate. If the Defeatist Democrats get 60 in the Senate, it's over. We won't be able to stop anything unless we coerce them to cross the aisle, and help us hold a filibuster.

The presidency is just part of the equation. He can't arbitrarily pass a damn thing. The president needs the Congress. If we lose the White House, WE would prefer to see gridlock between the legislative and executive branches.

79 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:44:18pm

Michael Ramirez cartoon:
"Rip Van Obama"
[Link: www.investors.com...]

80 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:44:20pm
81 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:44:31pm
82 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:44:41pm

I made a new t-shirt design last night, if anyone would take a look and tell me what the think about it, I would be grateful.
It is here.

When my wife looked at it, she thought Hillary was the dog in the middle (that was before the labels) So I'm not so sure I got this one right.

83 Tarkus289  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:44:45pm

re: #75 solomonpanting

Very frustrating, I heard that clip played a hundred times on Friday, and nobody even caught that, I heard it the first time and I said he never apologized for anything. That is another one right over America's head.

84 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:45:40pm

re: #78 MrAndMrsSmith

Gridlock works for me.

85 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:46:04pm

Re: #82 Sojerofgod

The middle one does bear a strong resemblance to both the dogs on the Democrat side.

86 Thanos  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:46:12pm

re: #13 EC Marm

Time for a Photoshop.

Gotta love those throbbing gifs

87 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:46:19pm

The donks must be so proud. They have a closet racist on the one hand and a serial liar on the other running for president.

88 shibumi  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:46:31pm

re: #34 ploome hineni

Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican


Actually, there's a telling phrase in the article. The Vatican adds something like 'we can only vouch for our statistics'. Everyone knows that the count of Muslims can be vastly inaccurate. Hasn't CAIR said there are 10 million Muslims in the U.S. when there are in fact 4 million at most?

Also...many Catholics live longer than the average Muslim, since they're not busy blowing up their children or killing other Catholics.

89 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:47:07pm

re: #82 sojerofgod

If you draw the Obama dog with his actual human ears, it may come across faster.

90 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:47:46pm

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz - I need to do some reading on the history of the black family circa 1940 - 1970. It seems to me that blacks prior to the War on Poverty were poised at the edge of middle-classness, and families were intact. Then the Great Society cam along and shot that all to hell. Am I all wrong on this? Do you know any reading I might do?

91 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:48:46pm

there's no way he could be married to his belligerent america-hating wife unless he was like her.
there's no way he could spend 20 yrs. w/ the belligerent america-hating preacher man unless he was like him.
and now we find out he has marched w/ NOI america-hating farrakhan.
hussein is what he appears to be. a typical black nationalist full of hate for his country. and this is what the stupid dems offer as a candidate for potus.

there should mockery and laughter heard round the world.

92 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:48:49pm

BTW, did any of you watch E.D. Hill on the Fox American Jihad special? All of these SJS episodes are just random nuts the rest of the msm and the FBI would have us believe. Steyn was good, and Walid Phares.

93 seekeroftruth  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:48:51pm

re: #65 mama winger

Mama - the closest thing I can find on what he did during that time is from this site:
[Link: www.freedomsenemies.com...]

Scroll to 1993

94 americanmale[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:49:00pm
95 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:49:02pm

Says obama:

I am surprised at how many elected officials--even the good ones--spend so much time talking about the mechanics of politics and not matters of substance.

What a hypocrite!

96 The Falcon  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:49:38pm

re: #90 mama winger

I suggest you start with Thomas Sowell.

97 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:49:57pm

re: #66 Bubbaman

In honor of the season, "W" has been drinking some cherry-flavored Kool-Aid as evidenced by his latest:

Israel-PA accord is near

/Maybe he means a Honda is right around the corner.

98 Ma Sands  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:50:20pm

re: #21 mama winger

No, I don't think so........I recall so vividly, when I was on the road one day last Fall, listening to a "report" on the radio......a Christian station, no less! ): ...... about Farrakhan and the disease that was 'sposed to be killing him.......and it was done in such sympathetic terms, it made me shudder! ):

99 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:50:55pm

re: #87 pingjockey

The donks must be so proud. They have a closet racist on the one hand and a serial liar on the other running for president.

Yeah...ain't it going to be a grand choice for POTUS this election?

A closet socialist, a lying witch and a leprechaun.

Great.

Just great.

~ENT

100 Panhandler  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:51:21pm

re: #80 ploome hineni

the sword on your avatar

[Link: www.crwflags.com...]

same shape


You'll find that sword shape in a couple of other examples though Ploome, most notably this one.
DRESS SWORD
Something about a certain military song ring a bell?

101 Thanos  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:51:44pm

re: #82 sojerofgod

I made a new t-shirt design last night, if anyone would take a look and tell me what the think about it, I would be grateful.
It is here.

When my wife looked at it, she thought Hillary was the dog in the middle (that was before the labels) So I'm not so sure I got this one right.

Obama's head is usually tilted, looking up and to the right.
It's the Obama visionary profile™ look.

102 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:51:47pm

re: #89 jaunte

ya I tried making them look like that, but it made him look kinda like a monkey, and MAN if you think somebody would be calling me a racist before, they'd hunt me down and crucify me for that one!

So I made him a hound dog.

Hillary reminds me of my pomerainian, so I made her a yellow dog.

Still, needs work i guess...

103 NY Nana  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:52:21pm

re: #89 jaunte

If you draw the Obama dog with his actual human ears, it may come across faster.

/But they may not fit on the shirt.

104 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:53:13pm

re: #93 seekeroftruth

Mama - the closest thing I can find on what he did during that time is from this site:
[Link: www.freedomsenemies.com...]

Scroll to 1993

Thanks ! :)

Over the next several years, Obama represents victims of housing and employment discrimination and works on voting-rights legislation for a small public-interest firm.

Anyone know who this 'firm' was? I'm trying to follow the money trail.

105 blackrabbit  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:53:22pm

"the 50 percent of black youth who are unemployed, underemployed, and full of bitterness and rage.” ...

Is there even a remote possibility that the indoctrination passed from one generation to the next, within the black community (as expressed, exemplified, and fostered by community "leaders" such as Rev. Wright) is a cause of the bitterness and rage of youth?

Can Mr. Obama and his minions enlighten us as to the fundamental differences between this cause-and-effect of Black Nationalist rage and the parallel Islamo-fascist rage?

Teach hate to the young, instill anger as the only means of resolution of perceived injustice, foster violence to express the "power" of unification of perspective, and then posture to the world as utterly forlorn when the result is catastrophic for all those involved and consumed by the fires of hatred.

This isn't street theater, it's lethal to our nation, as intended.

106 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:54:01pm

re: #91 nyc redneck

there's no way he could be married to his belligerent america-hating wife unless he was like her.
there's no way he could spend 20 yrs. w/ the belligerent america-hating preacher man unless he was like him.
and now we find out he has marched w/ NOI america-hating farrakhan.
hussein is what he appears to be. a typical black nationalist full of hate for his country. and this is what the stupid dems offer as a candidate for potus.

there should mockery and laughter heard round the world.

AND HOW ABOUT TRINITY'S CONGREGATION?!?

You mean to tell me, Senator Obama, that your fellow congregates NEVER ONCE mentioned anything unsettling to you about Rev 'Wright's' Sermons?

Do you mean to say that you NEVER had any kind of conversation with any of your fellow congregates?

It's sounding fishier & fishier to me, now....

~ENT

107 RTLM  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:54:02pm

re: #2 winston06

Obama scares me... What does he stand for? Racism? Communism? Socialism? What's he?

Yes, yes and yes.

A radical leftist.

108 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:54:04pm

re: #96 The Falcon

I suggest you start with Thomas Sowell.

Thanks! Yes - he might be a good source.

109 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:54:17pm

re: #102 sojerofgod

I didn't think of that angle; I just remember reading somewhere the man was very sensitive about his ears.

110 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:54:49pm

re: #103 NY Nana

/But they may not fit on the shirt.

Scary!

111 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:54:50pm

re: #105 blackrabbit

Is there even a remote possibility that the indoctrination passed from one generation to the next, within the black community (as expressed, exemplified, and fostered by community "leaders" such as Rev. Wright) is a cause of the bitterness and rage of youth?

bingo

112 seekeroftruth  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:55:03pm

re: #104 mama winger

Found it for ya:
[Link: www.iht.com...]

As the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama had his pick of top law firms. He chose Miner's Chicago civil rights firm, where he represented community organizers, discrimination victims and black voters trying to force a redrawing of city ward boundaries.

Like many lawyers, Obama never took part in a trial. He spent most of his nine-year career working as part of a team, drawing up contracts, briefs and other legal papers.

The firm of Miner Barnhill & Galland, many of whose members have Harvard and Yale law degrees, has a reputation that fits nicely into the resume of a future presidential candidate.

"It's a real do-good firm," says Fay Clayton, lead counsel for the National Organization for Women in a landmark lawsuit aimed at stopping abortion clinic violence. "Barack and that firm were a perfect fit. He wasn't going to make as much money there as he would at a LaSalle Street firm or in New York, but money was never Barack's first priority anyway."

113 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:56:13pm
114 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:56:19pm

re: #112 seekeroftruth

THANK YOU !

115 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:56:54pm
What makes Obama different from other progressive politicians is that he doesn't just want to create and support progressive programs; he wants to mobilize the people to create their own. He wants to stand politics on its head, empowering citizens by bringing together the churches and businesses and banks, scornful grandmothers and angry young.

Is he going to throw all the "scornful grandmothers" under the bus?

116 Tarkus289  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:57:07pm

The irony in all of this "race" business is:
The people who did have it rough, and were discriminated against and
generally mistreated are older now, and they for the most part understand how far they have come towards equality. The younger crowd
who have had significantly less of a hard time, are the ones who are the most angry and radical.

117 wolfie  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:57:14pm

What I most noticed about this speech was that.................GO DAVIDSON!.....excuse me. Obama says celebrating African-American "tribal affinities" is legitimate, but won't solve the problem. Then he says that anti-Semiticism (and anti-Asian attitudes)aren't going to lift blacks up. But he doen't say that they are wrong. He throws them in with the black tribalism.......HANG IN THERE, DAVIDSON......excuse me....as something that's fine, just not very productive. Where the hell is the condemnation of the racism and bigotry?

118 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:57:18pm

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

I think that Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and possibly Roy Innis have written on this, but I can't think of any titles offhand. Sowell and Williams have better academic credibility.

In the meantime, it is worth pondering the distance that social mores have fallen in 40 years as exemplified by the Supremes' popular song "Love Child," which is about avoiding out-of-wedlock pregnancy:

Thanks Buzz !

119 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:57:31pm

re: #109 jaunte

Yes, I have read that as well.
I suppose he's fair game, being a pol and all, but I have to be sensible here. The left is just drooling at the chance to label all conservatives as closet/crypto racists, and try to hound them out of the public square. In that sense, Obama is the perfect candidate.

120 Bubbaman  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:57:50pm

First, as a [bigoted word], Osama wouldn't be caught dead associating with dogs - they are haram. If I had to choose a dog that resembles Osama, I'd think a dalmation would be more appropriate or maybe a greyhound?

re: #102 sojerofgod

ya I tried making them look like that, but it made him look kinda like a monkey, and MAN if you think somebody would be calling me a racist before, they'd hunt me down and crucify me for that one!

So I made him a hound dog.

Hillary reminds me of my pomerainian, so I made her a yellow dog.

Still, needs work i guess...

121 seekeroftruth  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:57:53pm

re: #104 mama winger

more from that site -
[Link: www.iht.com...]


The firm offered another advantage to Obama. It was close to the political action.

Miner was Chicago's corporation counsel under Harold Washington, the city's first black mayor, in the 1980s when Washington was battling for control of the City Council against remnants of the once-mighty Machine.

Miner introduced Obama to a number of people in politics. Obama already knew many others, having worked as an organizer in the black community before he entered law school.

Obama was part of a team of attorneys who represented the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois in 1995 for failing to implement a federal law designed to make it easier for the poor and others to register as voters.

A federal court ordered the state to implement the law.

Obama also wrote a major portion of an appeals brief on behalf of a whistleblower who exposed waste and corruption in a research project involving Cook County Hospital and the Hektoen Institute for Medical Research and alleged that she was fired in retaliation.

The case was settled out of court. The county agreed to pay the federal government $5 million, part of which went to the whistleblower, Dr. Janet Chandler. Hektoen agreed to pay $500,000 to the government plus $170,000 to Chandler for wrongful termination.

And Obama was part of a team of lawyers representing black voters and aldermen that forced Chicago to redraw ward boundaries that the City Council drew up after the 1990 census. They said the boundaries were discriminatory.

After an appeals court ruled the map violated the federal Voting Rights Act, attorneys for both sides drew up a new set of ward boundaries.

122 grumpy old codger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:58:20pm

The BS from the Reverend Wrong and the Obamination Kid won't change until something is done about the "We are owed" attitude that BLT and the recent "civil rights" crowd espouses. This is why the Democrats have such a stranglehold on the black voters. It is the party of entitlements and hand outs.

123 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:58:35pm

I decided to use my library card to do a search of Chicago's papers (for free) on B. Hussein Obama. Oldest first, because those are the ones that are "pre-ambition" Obama. I will be posting them a few at a time, as I come across the interesting ones. Here is the first:

`Project Vote' Brings Power to the People
Chicago Sun-Times - August 11, 1992
Author: Vernon Jarrett

"Our biggest problem is the young, the 18 to 35 group," said Obama , 31, the first African American to serve as president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review. "There's a lot of talk about `black power' among the young but so little action."

More "Black Power" talk, no lets work together to end racism.

124 seekeroftruth  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:58:38pm

re: #114 mama winger

No problem - good luck with your search! I'll be interested in what you find!

125 Palandine  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:58:47pm

re: #34 ploome hineni

Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican

/ you KNOW what to do!

Yes, I do. ;) Now find me a nice Catholic boy for a husband and I'll do my part.

126 wolfie  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:59:07pm

re: #90 mama winger

Buzz - I need to do some reading on the history of the black family circa 1940 - 1970. It seems to me that blacks prior to the War on Poverty were poised at the edge of middle-classness, and families were intact. Then the Great Society cam along and shot that all to hell. Am I all wrong on this? Do you know any reading I might do?

Thomas Sowell. Ethnic America, Race and Politics, Black Rednecks and White Liberals.

127 Tarkus289  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:59:18pm

Regarding obama's appearance on the View, what about that little
"with all of it's flaws" comment.

128 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 3:59:53pm

re: #120 Bubbaman

If I had to choose a dog that resembles Osama, I'd think a dalmation would be more appropriate or maybe a greyhound?

Don't be dissing me greyhound. :)

129 skull4me  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:00:27pm

I just had lunch with a good friend of mine who is black. He and I go to the same church. He left Wash D.C. last year and moved to the South because of the growing Islamofascism influence in the inner city where he lived. He said it's something we should be very concerned about. He also said there were people celebrating in his neighborhood after 9-11.... the sadness in his eyes was almost more than I could bear.

130 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:00:41pm

re: #126 wolfie

Thomas Sowell. Ethnic America, Race and Politics, Black Rednecks and White Liberals.

Got it! I'll see if they have that at my library. Thanks.

131 GGMac  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:01:11pm

re: #70 mama winger

So now I'm a bigot and a fake.

Yeah, mama - he "preaches" togetherness, oneness, overcoming our differences, and has the looney left fainting in the aisles...but all of his history - from his statements and comments such as these to his choice of (black nationalist) wife, choice of (black nationalist) pastor - echo the same theme: whitey is to blame, and whitey is going to be brought to task for his/wife's/pastor's/Farrakhan's/Nation of Islam/New Black Panthers, etc, etc, perpetual unhappiness with living in America. Why change, when hating is so much fun - and profitable, as well?

I won't believe Obama and his cohorts/ilk want a peaceful, integrated existance with whites in America until they drop the "African-" from their self-identification.

132 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:01:12pm

re: #119 sojerofgod

Yes, I have read that as well.
I suppose he's fair game, being a pol and all, but I have to be sensible here. The left is just drooling at the chance to label all conservatives as closet/crypto racists, and try to hound them out of the public square. In that sense, Obama is the perfect candidate.

It's an interesting consideration, that we will all be equal only when we can make fun of each others ears.

133 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:01:51pm

Obama's wife enters the news:

SNEED
Chicago Sun-Times - October 15, 1992
Author: Michael Sneed
Tipsville . . .
Dateline: City Hall - Watch for City Planning Commissioner Valerie Jarrett to hire Michelle Robinson- Obama , an assistant to Mayor Daley's former chief of staff, Dave Mosena, as her new point person responsible for monitoring the city's major business expansion and retention efforts.

/Notice the hiphonated name.

134 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:02:07pm
135 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:02:09pm
136 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:02:27pm

re: #94 americanmale

Every time I see Obama or hear is voice I want to PUKE !

he's got a lot of arrogance in his voice. he enunciates and talks slowly in a condescending way when it suits him. he can, however, slip easily into ghetto, street lingo when he feels that is appropriate. that's bs to me. devious and patronizing. unbecoming for a "pres." to flip flop from home boy to harvard educated. i just don't feel comfortable w/ that. i'm not impressed by it.

137 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:02:33pm
Obama's politics were tinged with nihilism during his undergraduate years at Occidental College outside Los Angeles.

Are we sure the past tense is applicable?

138 LeePro  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:02:46pm

OK, wait, wait, wait...

exemplified by a ‘lock ‘em up, take no prisoners’ mentality

"lock 'em up" AND "take no prisoners"

'scuse me?

139 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:02:53pm

Re: #109 Jaunte

Remember LBJ? "It don't hurt 'em too much if ya' pick 'em up by their ears."

140 boocat  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:03:01pm

See what happens to you if you dare talk about white nationalism.

141 Bubbaman  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:03:33pm

re: #128 mama winger

Don't be dissing me greyhound. :)

Nothing wrong with a greyhound, it just reminds me of Osama - high strung, twitchy, a lot of energy and the shade of grey is how he see's the world.

142 Alouette  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:04:27pm

re: #90 mama winger

Buzz - I need to do some reading on the history of the black family circa 1940 - 1970. It seems to me that blacks prior to the War on Poverty were poised at the edge of middle-classness, and families were intact. Then the Great Society cam along and shot that all to hell. Am I all wrong on this? Do you know any reading I might do?

Walter Williams, Larry Elder

143 Maximu§  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:04:29pm

Well, well well, I wonder how the MSM will spin this story? Not even the most jaded spin-doctor could fix this one up.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

144 NY Nana  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:04:58pm

re: #110 jaunte

scary

Very. And they are the least of his problems.

What hurts so much is that neither Hussein nor Shrillary should be running for the office of the Presidency, never mind dog catcher (Remember Buddy?). Contrast Buddy with Barney...an allegory of sorts.

The only good thing that can come of this is that McCain wins big time, and sends those 2 off to political oblivion for eternity.

145 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:05:08pm
All too rarely do I hear people asking just what it is that we've done to make so many children's hearts so hard, or what collectively we might do to right their moral compass--what values we must live by. Instead I see us doing what we've always done--pretending that these children are somehow not our own."

The heart of the matter?

Between 1940 and 1990, the percentage of Black children living with
both parents dropped from 75.8 percent to 33.2 percent, largely because of increases in never-married Black mothers.

146 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:05:22pm

re: #139 MrAndMrsSmith

Re: #109 Jaunte

Remember LBJ? "It don't hurt 'em too much if ya' pick 'em up by their ears."

T-shirt idea?
[Link: cache.viewimages.com...]

147 Maximu§  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:05:35pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

the Saudi sword is very straight, but the tip goes up

Does it also bend to the left?

148 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:05:59pm

re: #141 Bubbaman

Nothing wrong with a greyhound, it just reminds me of Osama - high strung, twitchy, a lot of energy and the shade of grey is how he see's the world.

You're right - and that certain lean elegance.

149 wolfie  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:06:51pm

re: #143 Maximu§

Well, well well, I wonder how the MSM will spin this story? Not even the most jaded spin-doctor could fix this one up.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

No problem. They'll just ignore it.

150 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:07:11pm

Re: #143 Maximus

Give Olby and Matthews some time to come up with some sort of "shame on you America for picking on a black man" BS excuse.

Either that or they'll just do the "What? A black man can't be with his brothers in a March on Washginton in the name of black nationalism?"

To Quote Achmed the dead terrorist "You racist bastard."

THAT is how this will be spun byu them. The MSM will use his race to shame us into silence. Good thing I can't be shamed into doing or not doing anything.

151 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:07:19pm

re: #143 Maximu§

Well, well well, I wonder how the MSM will spin this story? Not even the most jaded spin-doctor could fix this one up.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

please,,, those guys are pros,,,,,,,, I can hear the "explanation" already.
Senator Obama was only there to insure that the march stayed on focus with no useless rhetoric. His presence was a clear sing that the African American male, as diverse as they are, is a critical political force in this nation"

easy !

152 Ma Sands  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:07:19pm

re: #130 mama winger

Marva Collins showed the only way to go.......each one do what can be found to do, and never give up.......oh, did she do wonders for the black kids in Chicago!

153 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:07:50pm

re: #99 EtNorskTroll
Bill O'Reilly is running?!

154 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:07:58pm
155 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:07:59pm

Re: #146 Jaunte

ROFLMSFAOPIMP!

156 opinionated  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:08:01pm

The big question to ask Obama is whether he ever visited the "Mother Ship" with “Farrakhan".

157 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:08:07pm

re: #152 Ma Sands

Marva Collins showed the only way to go.......each one do what can be found to do, and never give up.......oh, did she do wonders for the black kids in Chicago!

I remember her. She demanded excellence. The best always do.

158 jemima  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:08:34pm

Underlying it all, he hates his father for abandoning him and he hates his mother (and by extension his grandparents) for creating the little mulatto boy who never will be black and never white. In order to function, he must deaden these feelings, that's why he seems distant, reserved, cool. There would be an inner conflagration if for one second he let his guard down and revealed his true emotions. Have we ever had such a psychologically chaotic president in the White House? Truly, G-d help us, if he's elected.

159 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:08:47pm

re: #154 ploome hineni

gased up my car today

59$ and change

/aaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhh

Fortunately I only have to fill my tank once a month, or I'd never make it.

160 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:08:50pm

Jaunte,

Might we suggest that the T-shirt/Photoshop idea be Hillary holding Obama by his ears?

161 addison  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:08:57pm

re: #64 JammieWearingFool


"The right wing, the Christian right, has done a good job of building these organizations of accountability, much better than the left or progressive forces have. But it's always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia. And they also have hijacked the higher moral ground with this language of family values and moral responsibility.


Spoken like a truly insular fool. And this is from the man who spouts his platitudes about unity and bringing the sides together.

And his talking points are classic projection. It is nearly impossible to have a more narrow-minded, intolerant, and insular worldview than that held by those on the far Left (see: DailyKos, Moveon.org, Code Pink, NARAL, ACORN, the overwhelming majority of the college professoriate). Many still think Communism is a great idea--despite what history has to say. They think socialized healthcare is a great idea--despite its numerous failures in nearly every country it is tried (see: Canada, Britain). They think blacks think the same and all have the same politics (see: openly racist comments, editorials, and cartoons aimed toward Clarence Thomas, Michael Steele, Condaleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Ward Connerly, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, et al.). They think Jimmy Carter was a good president and great ex-President...is comment even needed?

I imagine one could get the blood pressure slightly elevated reading Obama's offal. In the end, however, it's just clear that he is little different than the run-of-the-mill socialist who, rather than direct people to better themselves, tells them their problems exist because government programs are not large enough to give them change. There's that word, change. I wish I could strike it from my vocabulary after hearing his sophistic kindergarten-mentality speeches where he spouts the word over and over as though the word itself is an argument or a self-encompassing answer.

162 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:09:00pm

re: #2 winston06

Obama scares me... What does he stand for? Racism? Communism? Socialism? What's he?

Some flag other than the US flag.

163 Maximu§  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:10:06pm

re: #150 MrAndMrsSmith

To Quote Achmed the dead terrorist "You racist bastard."

Max a racist Bastard? I'm just a White Devil in the eyes of Obama and his ilk.

164 gop_patriot  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:10:07pm

re: #154 ploome hineni

gased up my car today

59$ and change

/aaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhh

I feel your pain.

/same here, 30$ for half a tank. gah.

165 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:10:08pm

re: #160 MrAndMrsSmith

Jaunte,

Might we suggest that the T-shirt/Photoshop idea be Hillary holding Obama by his ears?

How about Obama holding up Rev Wright?

166 tokyobk  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:10:16pm

Lets not forget that plenty of regular black people went to the MMM as well. I personally boycotted because my contempt of Farrakhan. However, most of my black male friends went and I could not hold it against them. They did not go because they were racists or anti-semies. I do not hold it against Barack Obama for doing so as well.

167 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:10:17pm
"We have no shortage of moral fervor," said Obama. "We have some wonderful preachers in town--preachers who continue to inspire me--preachers who are magnificent at articulating a vision of the world as it should be. In every church on Sunday in the African-American community we have this moral fervor; we have energy to burn."

Damning America isn't moral, and if that's your idea of the way the world should be- you're the last man on earth who should be president.

168 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:10:36pm

re: #153 pingjockey

Bill O'Reilly is running?!

Funny!

~ENT

169 Maximu§  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:11:23pm

re: #156 opinionated

The big question to ask Obama is whether he ever visited the "Mother Ship" with “Farrakhan".

You mean the local Mosque?

170 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:11:50pm
171 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:11:52pm

re: #154 ploome hineni

gased up my car today

59$ and change

/aaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhh

i try not to get upset abt. that.
it's probably going to get worse before it gets better.

172 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:12:23pm

Re: #163 Maximus

I wasn't calling you a racist bastard. I'm saying that's when the MSM will say, just not in so many words. As for being a pain in Obama's @$$, I'm guessing Chris Matthews would like that honor, just not in the way most would envision. (He did have the tingling leg for Obama, after all.)

But as to the devil comment, I'm not devil. I'm the guy "standing athwart history yelling STOP!"

173 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:13:03pm
174 NY Nana  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:13:07pm

re: #158 jemima

Remember that Clinton was a bastard in the real sense of the word. And in the commonly used form, also.

175 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:13:19pm

Davidson is playing a heck of a game.

176 LeonidasofSparta  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:13:33pm

“What I saw was a powerful demonstration of an impulse and need for African-American men to come together to recognize each other and affirm our rightful place in the society

Here's the problem I have with this, forgive me if I am stating what has already been stated by others:

NO ONE HAS A RIGHTFUL PLACE IN SOCIETY. (sorry for shouting)
Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. There's NO PLACE suggested or otherwise outlined. Each individual fills his/her OWN unique place.

I don't go out looking for a job thinking I have some "rightful" place OWED to me by anybody.

If I have more education than the job requires, but I need a job, I take it. Something else will open up and I will be ready, but grateful for what I have.

Where does BHussein get off telling people they have a "rightful" place? There is NO PLACE.

Furthermore, SOCIETY -- as liberals love to generalize inbto this THING that ruins people, that makes people act one way or another-- in short, he would accuse, Society is a huge "groupthink" run by whitey-- when POINT IN FACT, there's you and me and a trillion other INDIVIDUALS who each think, act and choose according to their individual conscience dictates.

But that puts BHussein and his ilk in a precarious position of not being able to CONTROL anyone. Since we are all individuals we can, and most often do, act on impulse, inspiration, rational and irrational decisionmaking, revelation, God directed (or not) ways.

And for a liberal that's about as frustrating as it gets. They want POWER and lots of it. And the only way to have power is to put people into little boxes with labels on them and move them around like so many SPECIMENS.

They scream about "profiling" but what else would any rational thinker deduce from "our rightful place in society" but that someone is RACIALLY profiling blacks into a "rightful place."

And what place would that be? Whatever that place is, it is underneath the benevolent, omnipotent, generous hand of BHussein. BHussein giveth and he taketh away.

177 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:13:41pm

Re: #165 Jaunte

Or vice-versa, sort of like Gepetto playing Pinocchio.

178 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:13:45pm

re: #168 EtNorskTroll
You have to wonder, is there another Reagan, T.R., Truman, Thatcher, out there who isn't running cause they see the msm nonsense and don't want a bunch of brain dead morons crawling up their asses and questioning every thing they ever did.

179 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:14:08pm

re: #173 buzzsawmonkey

I never have read that. I'll add it to my list. Thanks for the suggestion Buzz.

180 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:14:09pm

O/T, but 16.8 seconds left, and Davidson down 2 to #1 Kansas, and they have the b-ball. Wow!

181 DoubleU  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:14:31pm

re: #2 winston06

Obama scares me... What does he stand for? Racism? Communism? Socialism? What's he?

He blames all his problems on someone else, in his case whitey.
He talks about controlling people by giving them "free" stuff.
He is wealthy but talks about taxing the poor to help pay for the poorer.

Sounds like a typical leftist to me.

182 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:14:37pm

Buzzer shot - no good

183 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:14:45pm

My objection to Obama is that he is a collectivist, and collectivists by nature have a strong tendency to lump people into groups without regard for the actions of the individuals. It's no way to build an ethos of personal responsibility.

"In America," Obama says, "we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations."

184 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:14:50pm

re: #158 jemima

Have we ever had such a psychologically chaotic president in the White House?


That's easy. James Earl Carter.
Good days!

185 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:15:25pm

Re: #178 Ping

My wife and I have long contended that no conservative that respects himself/herself and their family would subject themselves to the blood-sucking trope of trolls known as the Mainstream Media.

186 Kirly  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:15:44pm

re: #2 winston06

Obama scares me... What does he stand for? Racism? Communism? Socialism? What's he?

Marxist.

In his first book, he said he chose his friends carefully and they were MARXISTS!

187 wolfie  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:15:48pm

re: #166 tokyobk

Lets not forget that plenty of regular black people went to the MMM as well. I personally boycotted because my contempt of Farrakhan. However, most of my black male friends went and I could not hold it against them. They did not go because they were racists or anti-semies. I do not hold it against Barack Obama for doing so as well.

Very good point.
But if Obama was going to mention anti-Semiticism and anti-Asian racism at all,
couldn't he have said something against them?
And why couldn't he HAVE HIT THAT LAST SHOT AND LET DAVIDSON WIN?! aughhhh.......excuse me....slight distraction

188 Catttt  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:16:20pm

re: #108 mama winger

Thanks! Yes - he might be a good source.

He was on the radio the other day talking about his new book - brilliant, common-sense guy. Great combination of qualities.

189 Maximu§  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:17:30pm

re: #172 MrAndMrsSmith

Aw, I know what you meant. Personally I think Black America is in a very bad situation...surrounded by Hispanics, the heathiest and strongest of them on parole or locked up, fatherless homes, drug abuse, high rate of dropouts and now throwing in behind Obama.

Its like the perfect storm.

190 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:17:34pm

re: #185 MrAndMrsSmith
Troupe of Trolls; rotating title nomination.
You are correct also.

191 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:18:31pm
192 buckykat  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:18:32pm

The MSM is working as hard as possible to put us through re-education so that we are properly indoctrinated: Obama's pastor's words spring from complex tradition

193 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:18:42pm

re: #92 pingjockey

BTW, did any of you watch E.D. Hill on the Fox American Jihad special? All of these SJS episodes are just random nuts the rest of the msm and the FBI would have us believe. Steyn was good, and Walid Phares.

And VDH.

194 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:18:45pm

Re: #189 Maximus

If I may quote one of my favorite movies:

"Give them nothing, but take from them everything."

If a fight is what they are looking for (and I don't mean a physical one) then I'm sure we can oblige them of their desire.

195 wolfie  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:18:51pm

re # 187
anti-semitism PIMF

196 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:19:05pm

re: #171 nyc redneck
I was in your fair city Friday and Saturday. Have you seen the simulated car bomb at the Guggenheim?

197 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:20:12pm
198 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:20:31pm
199 tokyobk  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:20:37pm

#187 wolfie

But if Obama was going to mention anti-Semiticism and anti-Asian racism at all,
couldn't he have said something against them?

But wait, he did. As I remember there were two types of marchers. Those who went disavowing Farrakhan and those who went not in spite but with him.

Saying that anti-Asian and antisemitic rhetoric does not lift blackfolks up shows me Barack was in the former category.

200 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:20:50pm

If any of you haven't read Flags of our Fathers, I highly recommend it. Plus, for those of you with teenagers, think about this, there was a young man on Iwo Jima who lied about his age to get in the Marines. He was awarded a MoH. He went home to finish high school. This young man was.....14.

201 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:21:12pm

re: #197 buzzsawmonkey
Click my nic.
ART!

202 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:21:12pm
Candidate Not What He Seems, Foes Insist
Chicago Sun-Times - February 12, 1996
Author: Salim Muwakkil
Barack Obama , the leading (and perhaps only) Democratic candidate seeking to succeed Sen. Alice Palmer in the state's 13th District, is one of the brightest political prospects . . . well, since Rhodes scholar Mel Reynolds.

That comparison is not intentionally invidious, just a reminder of how impressive credentials sometimes exempt political candidates from proper scrutiny. And although Obama 's credentials are quite impressive, his critics s insist that all isn't what it seems.

Adolph Reed Jr., a progressive Northwestern University professor of political science, condemns Obama as a politician with "impeccable do-good credentials and vacuous-to-repressive neoliberal politics." Robert T. Starks, another academic-activist who serves as chairman of the Task Force for Black Political Empowerment, says Obama is the tool of forces outside the black community.

A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama was the first African American elected president of the Harvard Law Review. Between Columbia and Harvard, he worked on community development programs in Harlem and on Chicago's South Side. He earned kudos for his energetic and innovative work with Project Vote, a statewide voter registration project. In his spare time, Obama , whose mother is a white American and whose father is Kenyan, also managed to write a book, Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. The book is an insightful volume that explores the intersections of race, class and culture from his unique perspective.

Obama was the subject recently of a laudatory front-page profile in the Chicago Reader and was cited by N'Digo, a popular black-owned publication, as one of the city's top movers and shakers of 1995 and beyond. This 34-year-old attorney, author, lecturer and community development specialist clearly is a man pregnant with promise.

That's why I wasn't surprised when Palmer touted him as her worthy successor last year when she decided to give up her Senate seat to challenge Reynolds in the congressional primary. His progressive politics apparently echoed her own. Like Palmer, he seemingly understands both the allure and the limitations of identity politics; he seeks to create coalitions around common concerns, not exclusively issues of tribe or gender.

But this is Chicago, where black political progress is stuck in a thick web of intramural rancor. Predictably, trouble is brewing in the 13th District. When it became apparent that Palmer was faring badly in the congressional campaign, a group of supporters met with Obama and asked him to withdraw from the race if she lost. He refused. After Palmer came in third behind Jesse Jackson Jr. and Emil Jones in the congressional race, she was drafted to run for re-election.

Obama refused to oblige Palmer's supporters, and this time he was unequivocal. In fact, he mounted a challenge to her nominating petitions that forced her to drop out of the race. He also has challenged the petitions of the other three candidates (Mark Ewell, Gais Askia and Ulmer Lynch).

Palmer no longer supports Obama , but she insists that her change of heart has nothing to do with personal pique. "I've since discovered that he's not as progressive as I first thought," Palmer explains.

But surely she'll support Obama if he's the district's Democratic nominee? "No comment."

The web thickens.

Salim Muwakkil is a Chicago writer and senior editor of In These Times magazine.



/Already a viscous and vile candidate during his first campaign for anything.

203 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:21:36pm

re: #193 debutaunt
Missed VDH, and cause it was E.D. I damn near turned it off.

204 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:22:05pm

re: #90 mama winger

Read this from Dr. Walter Williams. He's an economist. It answers your questions...

Victimhood: Rhetoric or reality?

If you listened to the rhetoric of black politicians and civil rights leaders, dating back to the Reagan years, you would have been convinced that surely by now black Americans would be back on the plantation. According to them, President Reagan, and later Presidents Bush I and II, would turn back the clock on civil rights. They'd appoint "new racists" dressed in three-piece suits to act through the courts and administrative agencies to reverse black civil rights and economic gains. We can now recognize this rhetoric as the political equivalent of the "rope-a-dope."

As my colleague Tom Sowell pointed out in a recent column, "Liberals, Race and History," if the Democratic party's share of the black vote ever fell to even 70 percent, it's not likely that the Democrats would ever win the White House or Congress again. The strategy liberal Democrats have chosen, to prevent loss of the black vote, is to keep blacks paranoid and in a constant state of fear. But is it fear of racists, or being driven back to the plantation, that should be a top priority for blacks? Let's look at it.

Only 30 to 40 percent of black males graduate from high school. Many of those who do graduate emerge with reading and math skills of a white seventh- or eighth-grader. This is true in cities where a black is mayor, a black is superintendent of schools and the majority of principals and teachers are black. It's also true in cities where the per pupil education expenditures are among the highest in the nation.

Across the U.S., black males represent up to 70 percent of prison populations. Are they in prison for crimes against whites? To the contrary, their victims are primarily other blacks. Department of Justice statistics for 2001 show that in nearly 80 percent of violent crimes against blacks, both the victim and the perpetrator were the same race. In other words, it's not Reaganites, Bush supporters, right-wing ideologues or the Klan causing blacks to live in fear of their lives and property and making their neighborhoods economic wastelands.

What about the decline of the black family? In 1960, only 28 percent of black females between the ages of 15 and 44 were never married. Today, it's 56 percent. In 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it's 70 percent. Some argue that the state of the black family is the result of the legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty. That has to be nonsense. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families, comprised of two parents and children. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households had two parents. In fact, according to Herbert Gutman in "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925," "Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents." Therefore, if one argues that what we see today is a result of a legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty, what's the explanation for stronger black families at a time much closer to slavery — a time of much greater discrimination and of much greater poverty? I think that a good part of the answer is there were no welfare and Great Society programs.

Since black politicians and the civil rights establishment preach victimhood to blacks, I'd prefer that they be more explicit when they appear in public fora. Were they to be so, saying racists are responsible for black illegitimacy, blacks preying on other blacks and black family breakdown, their victimhood message would be revealed as idiotic. But being so explicit is not as far-fetched as one might think. In a campaign speech before a predominantly black audience, in reference to so many blacks in prison, presidential candidate John Kerry said, "That's unacceptable, but it's not their fault."

205 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:23:29pm
206 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:23:49pm

re: #128 mama winger

Don't be dissing me greyhound. :)

Whippet.

207 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:24:17pm

re: #178 pingjockey

You have to wonder, is there another Reagan, T.R., Truman, Thatcher, out there who isn't running cause they see the msm nonsense and don't want a bunch of brain dead morons crawling up their asses and questioning every thing they ever did.

...or tearing down their honor among their friends and family for the sake of political expediency?

How about the un-apealling prospect of people speculating what a "KNUCKLEHEAD" you are for not doing this or that thing...when you KNOW that you did the right thing because you saw/heard the ultra-secret video or pictures or recordings or whatever.

I am in awe of how people think Bush did this or that wrong...but when I press them and ask them if they saw the same secret intel that he did, they start to fold. I then finish with "well, I don't like to judge a man until I know everything about them and have seen what he has seen.". Usually silences them for a bit....

/but just a bit.

~ENT

208 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:24:51pm

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey
A car bomb as art? A one act play about St. Pancake? What next a moving tribute to OBL by Noam Chompsky?

209 Tarkus289  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:25:10pm

I am no fan of high gas prices, but the fact that it is still readily available is more important, I'm sure most of us remember the 70's.

210 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:26:02pm

re: #196 Jim in Virginia

I was in your fair city Friday and Saturday. Have you seen the simulated car bomb at the Guggenheim?

no, i haven't seen it. who was the artist?

211 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:26:28pm

Re: #201 Jim

I just checked it out. Disturbing, to say the least, that someone would find "art" in envisioning the different "stages" of a car bomb going off. But artists, many of them, often see art where no one else does.

212 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:26:44pm

re: #207 EtNorskTroll
People think they are so damn smart. I still get a kick out of Bush did 9/11 but he is a class 1 idiot. That train of logic has to hurt their heads.

213 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:26:58pm

re: #154 ploome hineni

gased up my car today

59$ and change

/aaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhh

What percentage of the $59.00 was for taxes?

214 LeonidasOfSparta  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:27:10pm

#207 nicely stated.

215 dm50462  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:27:23pm

I find such great amusement in the rest of the country observing what we, on the south side of Chicago have always lived with. Obama's "hate whitey" church and Farrakhan's "hate whitey" church are just down the road from each other. Even Fr. "Ghetto Pass" Pfleger of St Sabina (another nearby religious hate monger) is in the area.

216 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:28:07pm

"60 Minutes" doing another anti-American hitpiece on the military and then a segment/interview with Algore.

/Turned OFF the TV. Listening to a Mark Levin audio rewind.

217 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:28:14pm
218 Tarkus289  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:28:22pm

re: #216 Bob in Breckenridge

Wise move.

219 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:29:14pm

re: #210 nyc redneck
Cai Guo-Qiang

220 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:29:21pm

Re: #217 Buzzsaw

LOLOLOL. Please tell me he won a Darwin Award for his ingenious use of time and explosives.

221 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:29:27pm

re: #216 Bob in Breckenridge
I quit watching 60 Minutes during the Carter years. I was in high school and dad and I used to watch it together. We got sick of the leftward list then.

222 BBev  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:29:34pm

re: #159 mama winger

Fortunately I only have to fill my tank once a month, or I'd never make it.

I fill mine 2-3 times a week at a cost of $75.00 per.

223 MrAndMrsSmith  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:32:41pm

Re: #221 Ping

I actually used to read in my room when 60 Minutes came on. My dad never missed it. When I got older and actually started paying attention to politics and news, I recall giving 60 Minutes hust that -- sixty minutes.

I wasn't scarred for life, but that's an hour I'll never get back.

224 sojerofgod  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:32:43pm

re: #212 pingjockey

I don't think they see any contradiction. No, Really.

225 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:32:47pm

re: #212 pingjockey

People think they are so damn smart. I still get a kick out of "Bush did 9/11 but he is a class 1 idiot". That train of logic has to hurt their heads.

My FAVORITE!

I've caught a few people in this, too~!

Funny as all get-out to watch the look on their faces when they realize they've walked themselves off a cliff!

Cognitive dissonance all over the place.

/not pretty.

~ENT

226 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:33:24pm

re: #219 Jim in Virginia

thanks. i'm going to go see it.

227 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:33:56pm

re: #221 pingjockey

I quit watching 60 Minutes during the Carter years. I was in high school and dad and I used to watch it together. We got sick of the leftward list then.

I don't watch it either. I just happened to have it on CBS because I was watching the Kansas-Davidson b-ball game. Kansas won 59-57 to advance to the Final Four in San Antonio next weedend.

228 NY Nana  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:35:04pm

re: #183 jaunte

Remember that Shrillary and Hussein are both Alinskyites.

229 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:35:14pm
It is a touching story -- but the key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified.

Contrary to Obama's claims in speeches in January at American University and in Selma last year, the Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama's father.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

230 Edouard  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:35:44pm

re: #183 jaunte

My objection to Obama is that he is a collectivist, and collectivists by nature have a strong tendency to lump people into groups without regard for the actions of the individuals. It's no way to build an ethos of personal responsibility.

"In America," Obama says, "we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations."

I reject Obama's collectivism with a quotation from Ralph Waldo Emerson:

Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of every one of its members. Society is a joint-stock company, in which the members agree, for the better securing of his bread to each shareholder, to surrender the liberty and culture of the eater. The virtue in most request is conformity. Self-reliance is its aversion.

231 satan sidekick  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:35:46pm

re: #90 mama winger

You are correct. In 1965 91% of black families consisted of two parents. LBJ's great society reduced it to rubble. Obama's great society will create even more damage.

232 wolfie  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:36:49pm

re: #199 tokyobk

I hope Obama was in the group disavowing Farakhan.....and I admit that I may be a bit unfair. But when I read the speech here today, this was what struck me immediately:
He says that celebrating "African-American tribal affinities" is fine, but it doesn't really solve the problems of the black community. Then he says anti-semitism and anti-Asian rhetoric also will not solve the problems.
Is he implying that these bigotries are also fine, "legitimate", though not really productive?

233 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:37:04pm

re: #226 nyc redneck

It's a neat exhibit. If art is supposed to make you think, well it certainly does that.

234 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:37:37pm
235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:39:26pm
236 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:39:40pm

re: #227 Bob in Breckenridge
I really was hoping Davidson was gonna win that.

237 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:41:46pm

re: #232 wolfie
Tribal affinities has worked out well in Africa hasn't it. Rwanda comes to mind.

238 Macker  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:42:46pm

re: #189 Maximu§

Aw, I know what you meant. Personally I think Black America is in a very bad situation...surrounded by Hispanics, the heathiest and strongest of them on parole or locked up, fatherless homes, drug abuse, high rate of dropouts and now throwing in behind Obama.

Its like the perfect storm.

The "perfect storm" as you put it would be Race Riots if Obama loses either the Dems' nomination...or if he loses the general election to McCain.

239 satan sidekick  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:42:51pm

re: #234 buzzsawmonkey


Grievance is a code word for reparations. That's his game.

I don't know about you but I watch HGTV quite a bit and those oppressed blacks sure have some million dollar homes. I wonder how they were able to buy them without whitey oppressing them?

240 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:45:54pm
241 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:46:14pm

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey These days , I think the purpose of art is to separate the elites who get it (or claim they get it) from the rest of us riffraff.
Yeah, it's a real bourgeouis middle class attitude. What can I say? I've become my father.

242 NY Nana  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:46:14pm

I just put this in the spinoffs: Clinton Pushes Housing Market Fixes As Campaign Manager Sits on Board of Bankrupt Lender

Hillary Clinton spends considerable time on the campaign trail bemoaning unscrupulous lenders who have left millions of Americans scrambling to keep their homes but all the while her campaign manager, Margaret “Maggie” Williams, has sat on the board of one of the nation’s once-largest and now-bankrupt sub-prime mortgage lenders.

Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson told FOXNews.com late Sunday that Williams, a longtime Clinton ally, didn’t join Clinton’s Democratic presidential campaign as a volunteer until after Delta Financial Corporation — for which Williams is a director — went bankrupt in December 2007.

That’s more than seven years after Williams joined New York-based Delta Financial in 2000. She became a director one month after a federal settlement was reached with the lender over discriminatory lending practices. More recently, Delta has been accused by consumer advocates of pursuing predatory practices throughout the housing boom and bust.

As of September 2007, Williams owned 12,500 shares of Delta’s common stock, and by 2007 had earned at least $175,000 for her board obligations, according to company filings available in the Securities & Exchange Commission online database.

Clinton’s Tough Stand on Housing Crunch

Intently focused on the nation’s housing crisis in recent appearances, Clinton has been clear that sub-prime mortgage lenders, particularly in poor, working class urban neighborhoods shoulder much of the blame for the credit crunch.

“I am reminded every day as I meet with families and listen to their stories that the effective functioning of our financial markets isn’t just about Wall Street. It’s about Main Street,” she said recently.

In a proposal last week, Clinton suggested giving “a $30 billion lifeline to avoid a crisis for Wall Street banks” by providing assistance to at-risk communities and families facing foreclosure. In a speech earlier this week, the New York senator suggested protecting lenders from lawsuits by investors who bought mortgages expecting big profits off high interest rates.

“Many mortgage companies are reluctant to help families restructure their mortgages because they’re afraid of being sued by the investment banks, the private equity firms and others who actually own the mortgage papers,” Clinton said.

“This is the case even though writing down the value of a mortgage is often more profitable than foreclosing,” she said, offering legislation “to provide mortgage companies with protection against the threat of such lawsuits.”

Delta’s Sub-Prime Lending

But as it turns out, Clinton’s top aide is on the board of what had been — until its bankruptcy — the ninth-leading sub-prime lender in the nation, handling almost $800 million worth of sub-prime lending in the third quarter of 2007 alone, according to National Mortgage News.

Delta Financing — and subsidiary Delta Funding — made much of its money by turning around and selling its loans at a profit — either through securitization or straight sale. Financial statements and federal filings indicate that Delta made huge profits between 2004 and 2007 mostly by refinancing loans to homeowners with moderate and middle incomes in urban neighborhoods.[...]

Read it all...let's see how this affects Shrillary, and black voters if Shrill fires her. Isn't this manager a replacement for another one that had to be fired?

244 Yehudit  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:47:12pm

The Million Man March was the only unalloyed good thing Farrakhan ever did. It was all about taking responsibility, being in the home as fathers to your children, getting a job, leaving the ghetto life and its justificaitons.

That's what Farrakhan's organization was mainly about, AND he is a racist antisemite racemonger, which is a shame because NOI and MMM did give many black men a path out of ghetto behavior.

So Obama going to this march doesn't bother me but hanging on to Wright's church for 20 years does. 2 different things.

245 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:47:23pm
246 mama winger  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:48:00pm

I never knew they hated me so much until Obama started running for President. Now every time a black person comes into my work, I feel bad and I don't know why.

247 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:52:36pm
248 wolfie  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:54:49pm

re: #246 mama winger

I never knew they hated me so much until Obama started running for President. Now every time a black person comes into my work, I feel bad and I don't know why.

Snap out of it! Individuals are individuals.....and most of us, whether black or white, are not racist.
Now, if an old bat comes into your work wearing pink,......well,..........

249 fmfnavydoc  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:58:06pm

Looks like Barry has some 'splainin' to do....

250 satan sidekick  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 4:59:00pm

re: #248 wolfie

Not all blacks hate whites. I have some very good black friends who despise blacks who play the victim card.

251 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:06:04pm

Just to repeat again: 00bama is an Harvard educated moron; dangerous indeed!

252 wolfie  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:06:37pm

re: #250 satan sidekick

Not all blacks hate whites. I have some very good black friends who despise blacks who play the victim card.

Exactly. I don't even think that many of those who do play the victim card hate whites. Of course, I don't know about Chicago, Detroit, places like that.

253 anotherindyfilmguy  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:07:46pm

re: #176 LeonidasofSparta

It's really the "destiny" ideal that Hitler used to help seduce the Germans in different words...

254 swamprat  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:08:26pm

re: #244 Yehudit

The Million Man March was the only unalloyed good thing Farrakhan ever did. It was all about taking responsibility, being in the home as fathers to your children, getting a job, leaving the ghetto life and its justificaitons.



What a crock. The million man march was an intimidation tactic, plain and simple. That is the reason American flags were systematically eliminated from the crowd by the Farrikhcan-istas. The "march" was a blatant threat to show how many black Americans could be mustered. Almost all of the participants simply wanted to show black pride and solidarity, but that was defiantly NOT the intent of the organizers!

255 Catttt  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:09:55pm

re: #250 satan sidekick

Not all blacks hate whites. I have some very good black friends who despise blacks who play the victim card.

This is totally true. I live in an area that's about 50/50 black/white. I have tons of black friends, acquaintances, and co-workers. I NEVER get this kind of negativity - even from strangers. I'm a person, they're a person, and we act like people to each other. Even large groups of young black men on the street have been polite to me when I ask a question or directions. The last time I had any racist treatment was in the 70s in DC, and it was a black gentleman who spoke up for me and stood by me on that occasion.

256 anotherindyfilmguy  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:10:03pm

I'm not rascist, I just don't have much tolerance for village idiots who are not at amusing and worth some attention...

258 swamprat  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:23:59pm

Obama's in a pickle. He has used the race baiters in the black community to gain power, and now he himself is about to throw their entire reason-de-etre into the trash-bin. On the other hand, his association with these racist nuts has jeopardized his chance at the presidency. Ironical, nes pas?

259 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:29:50pm
260 wanumba  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:35:05pm

re: #202 lone_wolf_in_illinois
The article you found:

A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama was the first African American elected president of the Harvard Law Review... he worked on community development programs in Harlem and on Chicago's South Side ... earned kudos for his energetic and innovative work with Project Vote, a statewide voter registration project....
In his spare time, Obama , whose mother is a white American and whose father is Kenyan, also managed to write a book, Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. The book is an insightful volume that explores the intersections of race, class and culture from his unique perspective.


This is inadvertently interesting.
Of course the piece is larded with key words and phrases to get the Hard Left reader into the right mood. Problem is: Obama did not grow up in Africa. He was not raised by his African father, therefore his "unique perspective" is nothing more than something out of his own imagination - all theoretical and heavily populated by outrageous stereotypes and straw men.
He can talk informatively about his Hawaii High School, 'cause he actually WAS there, but Africa? Hello!?! He didn't KNOW his father in any substantive way, but evidently he's trying hard by projection to make the man more real to him.

Obama is a very screwed up man. He's been trying to figure out who his is all the wrong way. The most recent manifestation is influenced by a stereotype image of a scratched to the top from down-trodden hard-scrabble poor decendent of slaves, Whitey-goblins grabbing at his ankles to trip him, to hold him back every time he reaches for the stars.
Not exactly anything in HIS experience. So what will it be next year or three years down the road?

261 jlibson  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:42:09pm

Obama would be a disaster as a president. But...

Participating in the 1M Man March is scarcely a damning offense. His participation in the whitey-hating church is far more significant.

And in his own words in the article his main point seems to be: "we have to quit bitching and fix our own mess".

262 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:46:44pm
263 swamprat  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:52:34pm

re: #259 buzzsawmonkey You misunderstood. If he becomes President, those who have incomes from organisations that claim America is racist, will find that they no longer will be taken seriously. The "america-is racist-so-give-me-money types might have to get a job.

264 Promethea  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:56:04pm

re: #55 Alouette

(Sung to the tune of "Mickey Mouse")

G-E-O-R-G-E
S-O-R-O-S

I believe this is the puppet master who got Obama started on his amazing climb to the top.

265 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 5:58:01pm
266 Promethea  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 6:00:02pm

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

"Historically, African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us, and that white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing.” --Obama
Historically, African-Americans turned inward towards black nationalism at the precise moment when the mainstream not only did not rebuff them, but gave them victory with the passage of the Voting Rights Act. The nationalists--i.e., separatists--and Marxists who were busily hijacking the Civil Rights Movement from Martin Luther King took that great act of conscience by mainstream society and symbolically threw it in the gutter, preferring to exalt the ghetto hustler (the model for the race hustlers that have plague American politics for 40 years) over the hard work of building upon the just-won victory.

Anyone who lived through those times, like I did, remember this very clearly. It's "ancient history" only for those who are relatively young.

267 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 6:05:32pm

Here is where the train goes off the tracks..

He is running for the Illinois Senate, he says, because he wants to help create jobs and a decent future for those embittered youth.

But if you check on what Obama actually spent his term working on, he didn't concern himself with them one bit. He was tooo busy getting ready to run for President.

As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he cosponsored bipartisan legislation for controlling conventional weapons and for promoting greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In the current 110th Congress, he has sponsored legislation on lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.

268 wanumba  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 6:07:13pm

re: #261 jlibson

Obama would be a disaster as a president. But...

Participating in the 1M Man March is scarcely a damning offense. His participation in the whitey-hating church is far more significant.

And in his own words in the article his main point seems to be: "we have to quit bitching and fix our own mess".


The Million Man March wasn't a million, though it's still being touted as such, and anything to do with Farrakan is bad news. Farrakan may have said for black men to straighten up, but that's being said at Promise Keepers, too without all the hate, and then he spent quite a bit of his time expounding on his favorite obsession of numerology to prove his self-conceit that he's some anointed messager from some new god, for we really aren't sure exactly what Farrakan worships. What sensible person is going to sit there and absorb THAT without a thought flitting across his brain of , "What IS this CRAP?"

Wright honored Farrakan at via the auspices of Trinity United Church. Birds of a feather flock together. Therefore, attending Trinity Unity as pastored by the mean-spirited Wright and attending the Million Man March as lead by mean-spirited Farrakan are in harmony with each other.

269 jenv  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 6:13:43pm
The right wing, the Christian right, has done a good job of building these organizations of accountability, much better than the left or progressive forces have. But it's always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia.


I love how lefties always have to get their jab in, accusing the right of being intolerant and narrow-minded.


And they also have hijacked the higher moral ground with this language of family values and moral responsibility.


"Hijacked" is usually used to imply a negative judgment of the act. What's negative about family values and moral responsibility?

270 hadanuf  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 6:22:16pm

A uniter:of what?

271 jenv  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 6:24:33pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey


Yet he joined--and for 20 years remained a silent member of--a church which had, as one of its "articles of faith," the "disavowal of middleclassness." This tenet was removed from the church's website only after it began receiving unwelcome scrutiny as a result of the Obama campaign.


Obama and his wife combined make over a million dollars a year. He lives in a 1.6 million dollar house. It's say he's disavowed being middle class quite effectively.

272 Maine's Michael  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 6:40:08pm
“There was a profound sense that African-American men were ready to make a commitment to bring about change in our communities and lives.”

How about staying at home with the woman who had your children, and getting a keeping a job, instead of going on 'million man marches'?

273 JoggerNot  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 6:43:00pm

Obama said in the Quoted article above...
Give up drugs and crime, have pride in your'e race...
OK..Show me the money..

274 mich-again  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:00:23pm

Interesting bit of History here.

Obama replaced a one time rising star Republican SenatorPeter Gosselin Fitzgerald . He had amazing credentials and a lot of steam coming into office. But after reading about him, it seems like he was pretty much a Look-at-ME" jerk that squandered a very rare opportunity to represent the Republican Party as a United States Senator from Illinois.

Fitzgerald had two major moments in the spotlight in the Senate, the first in 2000 when he filibustered a massive federal spending bill because it included funds for the Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield. He did it to bring light to the Republican-controlled Illinois state government's failure to promise competitive bidding for the project.

His second major moment was following the September 11th attacks, when Congress quickly passed a massive bailout measure for most of the major airlines, which were in trouble financially. Standing alone out of all members of the US Senate, Fitzgerald delivered a speech entitled 'Who will bail out the American taxpayer,' arguing that the airlines would simply go through the money and remain financially unstable. The bill passed 99 to 1.

What a dickhead. He coulda been a contender. But his massive flame out gave us Obama. Wonder if George got to him. Soros, not Bush.

275 n in wi  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:02:08pm

test

276 Eri  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:06:10pm

If you read what he said, he clearly said racism is not going solve the problems in the African-American community. Why isn't that part bolded?

And before I get flamed, let me say I'm by no means a liberal, a moon bat, or anything of the sort. I'm actually fairly conservative (see my avatar), recognize the challenges we face in Islamism, support our troops and the president, and by no means support many of Obama's policies. However, lately I've just been finding a lot of the stuff that goes on here either petty, over-the-top, or completely hive-minded at times, where everyone is so eager to spin anything from anyone deemed "the enemy" into the worst possible form, often without even looking at things objectively, or in the least overlooking the many faults of your own side (such as the case of McCain, who called Vietnamese "gooks" on more than on occasion, yet nobody here is saying he's racist, or the fact that Charles frequently puts up strange pictures of Shiites whipping themselves for some holiday every year but we never see pictures of the semi-realistic crucifixions that Christians in the Philippines and other parts of the world put on on Good Friday). It just seems like people like to get a bit carried away and at times end up doing just what the crazies at Kos or other "progressive" sites do, just on the other side of the spectrum. Shouldn't we have thoughtful articulate positions instead of little one liners from everyone all the time, trying to get those + buttons pressed?

Just throwing that out there. Take it how you may.

277 Maine's Michael  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:08:13pm

Some posted this link, above.

It bears repeating.

Barak Hussein a Muslim? Here are the facts. You decide.

Looks like this is one situation where Hillary was being generous with Obama when she said 'He is not a muslim, as far as I know.'

278 Maine's Michael  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:11:40pm

Obama is all about race.

His teen and adult life, his personal, religious, and professional lives, have been all about race.

Quite a bit of chutzpah to call himself a 'post racial' candidate.

Pretty amazing con job, when you think about it.

I think he's done.

He'll get the 'hip' college kid herd, and the usual elite hyperlibs, but that's about it, imo.

279 JeremyR  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:28:06pm

The million moron man march. When stand in the gap when to Washington, they didn't count heads because it would have embarrassed For a con.
Now that was a million man march!

280 EE  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:34:49pm

re: #278 Maine's Michael

Pretty amazing con job, when you think about it.

Obama has extraordinary skills as a con man. One of his skills is that he is a gifted liar. Consider PastorGate. Here is a guy who spent 20 years in close association with Jeremiah Wright, a raving racist who was as anti-American as possible, and Obama has called Wright his mentor, was married by Wright, and has brought his children to hear Wright's sermons. But he claims to not have had a clue about what Wright was about. How does he get away with his lies? He also claims that Wright was really not so bad; it just so happens that all of the tapes that have been played of Wright's raving lunacy were times that Obama just happened to have been absent from church. How does he get away with his lies? He also claims that Wright's fulminations are understandable because of Wright's disadvantaged background. Not even true on the face of it. He claims that all of this is excusable because -- as he said when he went on the TV show "The View" -- Wright has apologized for offending people and giving inappropriate remarks. But Wright today is not even allowed to speak, and nobody has heard any such apology from Wright. Is Wright repentant for his 20 years of raving racism and anti-Americanism? Don't bet on it, since Wright is being kept from speaking. How does Obama get away with all of his lies? Obama is one heck of an extraordinary con man, and one of the greatest of liars.

281 Jaydee  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 7:58:20pm

re: #277 Maine's Michael

Some posted this link, above.

It bears repeating.

Barak Hussein a Muslim? Here are the facts. You decide.

Looks like this is one situation where Hillary was being generous with Obama when she said 'He is not a muslim, as far as I know.'

Interesting link, and certainly the contents of which, do not surprise me.
Hope more people get to read it, especially the fluffheads who are fawning over this dangerous 'changeling'.

Thanks for that.

282 wanumba  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 8:38:37pm

re: #276 Eri

or the fact that Charles frequently puts up strange pictures of Shiites whipping themselves for some holiday every year but we never see pictures of the semi-realistic crucifixions that Christians in the Philippines and other parts of the world put on on Good Friday.
Just throwing that out there. Take it how you may.


Well, as you've noted, actually whipping oneself and really drawing blood with knives and swords from the top of babies and young boys' heads is NOT the same as "semi-realistic" crucifixions. The former are real blood rituals, the latter, theatre. And even that scattered theatre is over the top for the majority of the world's Christians, but the blood rituals in the context of Islamic practices are not. So there is a fundamental difference in what is going on between the two circumstances.

How come doctors who deal with very tough issues of a day are allowed satire and humor to help them cope, or firefighters, but LGFers shouldn't?

283 JustMyView  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 9:45:42pm

re: #174 NY Nana

Remember that Clinton was a bastard in the real sense of the word. And in the commonly used form, also.

Not true. Clinton's parents were married, but his father died in a car accident several months before he was born.

284 JustMyView  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 9:56:51pm

re: #216 Bob in Breckenridge

"60 Minutes" doing another anti-American hitpiece on the military and then a segment/interview with Algore.

/Turned OFF the TV. Listening to a Mark Levin audio rewind.

You think the press should ignore the fact that an innocent man was held prisoner for five years? No one denies that that's what happened. If you respect the military, I'd think you'd want to be sure that "errors" such as that are punished and never repeated.

285 aaron's rantblog  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 10:02:04pm

Somebody needs to ask Obama exactly where his wife's and Cynthia McKinney's policy views are different. Yes, the Green Party's presidential candidate comes off as a nutcase and the Wall Street Journal likens Michelle O. to Jackie O, but a pundit really needs to examine Michelle Obama's rhetoric to see how it differs from McKinney's.

286 Eri  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 10:10:20pm

re: #282 wanumba

Well, as you've noted, actually whipping oneself and really drawing blood with knives and swords from the top of babies and young boys' heads is NOT the same as "semi-realistic" crucifixions. The former are real blood rituals, the latter, theatre. And even that scattered theatre is over the top for the majority of the world's Christians, but the blood rituals in the context of Islamic practices are not. So there is a fundamental difference in what is going on between the two circumstances.

How come doctors who deal with very tough issues of a day are allowed satire and humor to help them cope, or firefighters, but LGFers shouldn't?

Actually no, they really put nails through their hands, whip themselves, etc. It's virtually the same thing yet we choose to overlook it.

I have no problem with satire, I just think it gets annoying seeing such blatant biasness all the time. Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of what LGF puts out, but I just wish we'd let the petty stuff go sometimes.

287 JustMyView  Sun, Mar 30, 2008 10:11:13pm

re: #271 jenv

Obama and his wife combined make over a million dollars a year. He lives in a 1.6 million dollar house. It's say he's disavowed being middle class quite effectively.

Obama's wealth, such as it is, was relatively recently achieved, mainly as a result of the sale of his books. Michelle recently received a big raise, but, before that, she didn't have a big salary.

288 LeePro  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 1:08:14am

re: #286 Eri

Actually no, they really put nails through their hands, whip themselves, etc. It's virtually the same thing yet we choose to overlook it.

You got a link for that?

289 livfreeordie  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 1:25:37am

Re: #90

I believe the Thernstroms' America in Black and White will be useful...

290 jenv  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 4:46:43am

re: #287 JustMyView

Obama's wealth, such as it is, was relatively recently achieved, mainly as a result of the sale of his books. Michelle recently received a big raise, but, before that, she didn't have a big salary.


Only if you think making over $100k a year is "not a big salary". Her big raise was also suspiciously coincident to a large federal grant to her hospital.

291 reno911  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 7:42:33am

To accept the premise that this country needs "Hope".
You have to assume that America is Oppressive and does not offer Hope.

To accept the premise that this country needs to "Change".
You have to assume that this country is fundamentally flawed.

Neither of the above assumptions are true, and in fact, reveal BHO's BLT/Marxist worldview.

BHO is a Wolf in Sheep's clothing. There is not a more dangerous leftist in this country than BHO.

No wonder our enemies love him.

292 Cosmo  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 7:48:33am

I'm pretty sure I should be offended that so much is made of Obama's "African-ness" and so little is made of his "European-ness"...in other words, he's "African-American" not "American" even though he's "half" white and "half" black, right? Why the over-emphasis on his "blackness" at the expense of his "whiteness?"

Perhaps it's a "typical" African-American response...

Of course, me drawing attention to this is a "typical" white response and I'm obviously a blazing racist...

293 wanumba  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 11:03:36am

re: #286 Eri

Actually no, they really put nails through their hands, whip themselves, etc. It's virtually the same thing yet we choose to overlook it.


It's worth talking about this a little more.
There is still a critical difference - one is designed for aggressive conditioning that can be aimed outwardly, the other is not. Further, as I mentioned, the Phillippine festivities are not standard practice and are frowned upon by the greater Christian community of many denominations, Catholic and Protestant. Being like Christ doen't mean pretending to endure his cruxifixion - it was an execution. Wounding oneself as part of a show isn't what Christ was talking about - it is living the life.

Syncrenism is a big problem in Christianity - and is usually found in former pagan cultures. Since these cultures are used to sacrifices and offerings, it's easy for such people to gravitate to the Old Testament descriptions of correctly practiced Hebrew worship, rather than understand that those practices were part of the Old Covenant the God established with Moses and the Hebrew Nation of the Exodus. But, Christians understand that the covenant was fulfilled by Jesus, noted during the anniversary of the making of the covenant, the Passover. Contact completed and finished, known now as the Last Supper. Jesus declared as he held the bread and the wine that he was establishing a NEW covenant. This covenant does not have all the clauses and restrictions of the old one, such as food prohibitions, exterior restraints are understood to be no longer necessary - self-control is to come from an indwelling of grace, within.
There are plenty of ostensibly Christian pastors who lead their congregations into error, and one doesn't have to trudge all the way to a remote town in the Philippines to find them. Chicago it seems has a rather astounding unCHristian pastor who calls himself a Christian, yet leads the people who listen to him into evil and hate.

It doesn't take much at all to determine whether a church is adhering to the Bible or not. There is no support for outrageous behavior, over-excitability and self-mutilation. None. Those are manifestations of non-Christian, that is pagan, worship.

294 SouthAmericanWay  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 2:58:15pm

re: #2 winston06

I feel the same way. He is turning out to be the Manchurian Candidate. May God help us! At least Mrs. Clinton is a known quantity...

295 Daisy  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 7:24:16pm

I wonder if he got to hang out w/John Malvo (the Beltway Sniper/Farakhan Bodyguard) and his murderous boy toy while doing the disgruntled march?

Farakhan sees a lot to like in Obama, Lord of the Moonbats.

296 Daisy  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 7:28:41pm

re: #292 Cosmo

I'm pretty sure I should be offended that so much is made of Obama's "African-ness" and so little is made of his "European-ness"...in other words, he's "African-American" not "American" even though he's "half" white and "half" black, right? Why the over-emphasis on his "blackness" at the expense of his "whiteness?"

Perhaps it's a "typical" African-American response...

Of course, me drawing attention to this is a "typical" white response and I'm obviously a blazing racist...

I get what your saying, but technically speaking -- that African part is smaller than his Arab part - and his "Europeaness" takes a full half of the Obama show.

No matter what, I still say (and will continue to say) it must have sucked to have a Mom named Stanley. I think that alone explains a lot about the guy.

297 EE  Mon, Mar 31, 2008 8:24:46pm

Obama very close to Wright; Wright a buddy to Farrakhan (lifetime achievement award to Farrakhan; visiting Libya's Muamar Kadaffy with Farrakhan); and Obama marching with Farrakhan.

Three good friends: Obama, Wright, Farrakhan.

What a thought, with the OWF axis, and their allies, in the White House and in control of the Executive Branch of the country, and being Commander in Chief, and holding the most powerful position in the world.


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