Why are they not electrocuted? The fence is electrified, right? If not, why?

Oh that bandana is going to hide your identity how clever!

Rubber bullets! They should have their asses thrown in jail with a few burly jihadis who haven't seen the sun shine for a while.

WTG Israel! I'd have issued a verbal warning with a bullhorn, fired a warning shot with live ammo, then started dropping these saboteurs with head-shots. But your way, you get all the bad press, none of the respect, and legions of these asshats thinking they can harm your nation at will with no real personal risk. Turning the IDF into a joke will surely be a benefit too. We've got rent-a-cops here working food courts in suburban shopping malls who get better results.

The USA = The Soviet Union

Israel = East Germany

Mr. Sharon. Tear down that wall.

I really wonder what these people do for a living. I think I'm correct in saying nothing; that they are all very privileged Berkly-esque liberals who run around w/ the terrorism supporting ISM on their parents dime.

Anybody mind if I call #4 an ASSHOLE?

I didn't think so.

This is disgusting.Why doesn't Israel come to its senses and deport all these people for crying out loud? There nothing but a bunch of troublemakers.

I am glad for this. They did little damage and can now be arrested and deported. They can go to Rutgers and whine about it.

This past year, when my synagogue was building a new wing, we paid to have some bricks inlayed with our family names as part of our contribution. I would like to do the same with the fence - can I have my name etched into a nice sharp strand of electrified barbed wire? I've got $100 right here (and a nice new credit card).

I find it regrettable that these idiots weren't arrested, charged and incarcerated for a long, long time. Euther that or put in a small rowboat just beyond Israeli territorial waters. As it is, this is becoming like a loony-lefty/anti-semite adventure tour. Like the running of the bulls for the morally bankrupt thrill-seeker.

I thought it said "gentile terrorist supporters." I wish it were so, but I bet at lease one of these idiots is of the Adam Shapiro variety.

#4
GAZE

Model4 #3,

It would be nice if they could do that, but could you imagine the international press scene? There's no gain to dead "activists"; OTOH, imprisoning these nuts and making them part of the terrorists prisoners freed in the Abbas negotiations would be a great diplomatic move.

#4
"Mr. Sharon. Tear down that wall."

It makes the Jew-killin' so difficult. Why can't you just let Israelis be slaughtered like Jews were killed during the Holocaust. You got somethin' against that?

#6 reaganite:

Won't you GAZE with me, my friend?

Israelis = Motherfucking Stupid

You've given the world the mother of all photo opps with your new Berlin Wall, and now you'll whine and cry anti-semitism when people call you on it.

It would also provide a never-ending stream of prisoners to be released, instead of releasing the real terroristsprisoners.

Ugh. If these people were Palis in the picture, I wouldn't be as disgusted. But they are probably Americans.

If the Palis want inside the wall, why aren't THEY out there also. These people need to stop and ask who are they really doing this for.

#13 EE: Join our party ... we're GAZING over here :) .

Ronald Reagan #4, #15,

Did you know that the director of Mr. Holland's Opus was also the director of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure?

#15

GAZE

International Solidarity Movement activists try to tear down a gate, part of a separation fence built by Israel

And then off to tea with some terrorists.

#17 Lively:

They're not doing it for anyone. they're doing it against someone. As always.

So build your wall. Who cares. It will provide a document of what Israel's all about in stone and brick and barbed wire.

America's East Germany. America's Cuba. America's rabid pit bull in the Middle-East.

Maybe Bush and Powell will let you build you're little instrument of ethnic cleansing. Hopefully they'll stop you.

#19 Ariel
I find this a good review of the movie, a snip:

Mr. Holland's Opus spans thirty-one years in the life of a high school music teacher. When Glenn Holland (Richard Dreyfuss) first comes to the newly-dedicated JFK High School in 1964, he has a dream of spending a few years teaching to accumulate a nest egg, then returning to his true passion: composing. His loving wife, Iris (Glenne Headly) is completely supportive -- until she becomes pregnant. After that unexpected event, teaching is no longer just Glenn's "fall back position". It has become his means to provide for his family.

#14 Jheka
Wouldn't you rather we discuss this important movie?

Don't feed the troll. Doing so will only encourage it.

#23 Ronald Reagan:

Did you know that there's a Mr. Holland's Opus Foundation?

[Link: www.mhopus.org...]

Fascinating.

Your wall speaks loudly to the world, even if you cover your ears and yell "la la la I can't hear you."

Mr. Sharon. Tear down that wall.

#15
The Berlin Wall was built to keep the victims of the communists from escaping to the free world.
The security fence, is designed to allow the population targeted by Hamas for annihilation to be protected from splodeydopes.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" -- preamble to Hamas Covenant.

Darn. There's a fence. Can't you just take away that fence so I can murder you guys. Pretty please.

Ya know, a walls' purpose can be many different things. For instance, the Berlin wall was meant to keep in East German slaves to the Soviet State, whereas this wall keeps out bitch-ass moon demon worshippers who like to blow up buses with no regard for who is on the them.

#26

Indeed fascinating!!!

#24 reaganite: I'm right there with you. See #26 :) .

Mr. Holland's opus might not be as appropriate as Moscow on the Jordan.

Mr. Sharon. Tear down that wall.

Oh no! Not Mr. Holland's Opus!! Gasp. That's too cruel for even a rabid troll.

reaganite #24,

Having never actually seen the movie, I really can't speak to how good it was. But I do know that the director is an alumni of my university, which is how I found out that he had also directed that other movie. Personally, I wouldn't have chosen Keanu Reeves, but then I'm partial to actors who can act.

Thanks for the summary, it was quite enlightening. I'll have to watch the actual Opus some time in order to better understand all of its complexities.

I'm so tired of this idiocy.
What's wrong with israelies?
Why that scum is there?
Why they are not sharing a cell with 300 lb black dude named Sugar Daddy?

At some point incompetence becomes criminal. Is Gray Davis dufus twin running visa section of Israel foreign ministry?

Well, I'd make them pay for the damage and then deport them. Then brand their group as hostile and refuse to let anyone from it in.

Hopefully their [Isreal's] foreign security agency already has a list of members....

It's better than the bad press of accidently killing them with rubber bullets (which are not very safe).....

Their is so much real injustice in the world, going crazy over Isreal trying to secure it's boarders just shows them for the jerks they are... Not to mention, if Arafat ever cracked down on their terrorists, Isreal would be able to loosen border restrictions...

Sorry for the typo.....I too thoroughly enjoyed "Mr Hollands Opus" Another fine movie is "The Dreyfuss Affair" Apparently mr R Dreyfus is a decendent.....Fascinating.

Using Mr. Holland's Opus on this pathetic troll is like using a cannon on a fly. Save the big guns for worthwhile targets.

Here's a Mr. Holland's Opus quiz for everybody to enjoy!!

[Link: www.funtrivia.com...]

Please, anyone, what does GAZE stand for?! I've figured out most of the other acronyms, but this one has me beat!

Jheka: I think you have the right answer. Arrest all of these people and let them sit in jail for MONTHS. Let them scramble around getting lawyers, learning the Israeli legal system and getting to know all the other men in jail (along with a language barrier).

We don't need no ethnic cleansing.
We don't need no racist control.
No deportations in the West Bank.
Israelis leave us Palestians alone.

Hey. Israelis. Leave those Arabs alone.

All in all it's just another break in your racist state.

#34 Ariel
Dude, Bill and Ted are awesome, after directing Mr Hollands Opus, I can see exactly why he did B&T!

What say you Ronald Reagan? This is really important!

deja vu #40,

See this excellent FAQ.

Start with The Goodbye Girl. If that isn't sufficient troll-repellent, then pull out Mr. Holland's Opus.

Mr. Sharon. Tear down that wall.

He's got a point, you know, guys. The wall gets in the way when noble, pure martyrs want to achieve their noble, pure martyrdom. That's interfering with their religious freedom, isn't it?

Those Israelis are so selfish--who do they think they are that they have the right to provocatively ride buses and eat pizza and drink coffee?! No wonder the world hates them, behaving like that.

Mr. Sharon. Tear down that wall.

#40 deja vu
It's deja vu al over again!

GAZE doesn't stand for anything, it's along the lines of Gaze at the splendor of the troll.

reaganite #43,

Yeah, dude, I like totally loved Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, man. But not Keanu. Every movie he's in is good despite him, not because of him... What say you, Ronald Reagan? Are you ever contrarian or do you care to weigh in on the side of what is good and right in the important discussion of B&T?

#44 Ariel

Thanks! :-)

#46. The world doesn't "hate" the Israelis any more than they hate the Serbs.

They just don't want to see more ethnic cleansing in the world.

Mr. Sharon. Tear down that wall.

#47

Don't you have something else to say??? It is getting boring...

#45 Atomic Redneck: How about Tin Men? Or Nuts?

We don't need no ethnic cleansing.

LOL! I always enjoy it when trolls pull out that one. They fail to see the delicious irony of demanding a Judenrein West Bank while crying "ethnic cleansing" and "racist" and "apartheid" about multi-ethnic, multi-religion Israel--one of the few countries in the Middle East in which Arab women have the vote and can run for office.

What arrogant liars and hypocrites. An article by ISM members in today's JPost shows them as such, in their own words.

'We have all committed ourselves to the practice of nonviolence and do not assist anyone in committing acts of violence'

See above photo for evidence to the contrary.

ISM believes in the dignity of every human being.

Even terrorist apparently. Why else would they be tearing down a wall whose function is to keep terrorists out?

Consequently, we strongly oppose violence against all civilians.

Then why are you trying to destroy a security wall whose function is to protect innocent civilians from terrorists and murderers?

This includes all acts of terrorism, whether perpetrated by a state, group or individual.

See previous comment. Idiots.

We have all thoroughly committed ourselves to the practice of nonviolence and do not assist anyone in committing acts of violence.

See previous comments. Yes, helping to destroy Israel's security wall won't help Pali terrorists one bit. Assholes.

Although our movement is completely nonviolent

except when tearing down anti-terrorist security walls and interfering with Israel's security efforts

we must recognize that independent nations

except Israel, and maybe the United States

and occupied peoples have security concerns and rights to self-defense and resistance as specified under international law.

except for Israel. Hypocrites. They have no respect for Israel's rights to self-defense and resistance against terrorism.

OPPONENTS OF ISM claim that the movement's goal is to impede the army's job in stopping terrorism and even act as an accomplice to terrorist activities.

These opponents are correct. See above photo. Liars.

And, of course, Rachel Corrie, 23, was run over by a bulldozer driven by an Israeli soldier while attempting to protect the home of a Palestinian physician from illegal demolition.

Oh, really? But I thought the bulldozer ran her over twice.

Even more of these lies and misrepresentations at this link:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

These people, as the photo above shows, are engaging in activities that could likely endanger Israeli troops and civilians. In doing so, they are giving assistance to terrorists. This is intolerable, and it is not non-violent.

He who does not remember history is condemned to repeat it.

[Link: www.dailysoft.com...]

Mr. Sharon. Tear down that wall.

#51 Ronald Reagan

So .... by your reckoning, the Palestinians' stated intent to exterminate the Jews doesn't amount to 'ethnic cleansing' ?

ISM has apparently had their feelings hurt recently -- so badly in fact that they decided to pen an op-ed in the evil-occupier Jpost to prove that they are really just gentle legitmate resistance supporters.

Occupied peoples have the right to resist, By Tom Wallace and Radhika Sainath

ISM believes in the dignity of every human being. Consequently, we strongly oppose violence against all civilians. This includes all acts of terrorism, whether perpetrated by a state, group or individual. We have all thoroughly committed ourselves to the practice of nonviolence and do not assist anyone in committing acts of violence.

Although our movement is completely nonviolent, we must recognize that independent nations and occupied peoples have security concerns and rights to self-defense and resistance as specified under international law.

Yep. Pooo Baybees just want peace for everyone. What was that about from river to the sea. These are the worst kind of animals. Ones who claim to be for peace, but really are for death -- death of the Israelis.

He who does not remember history is condemned to repeat it.

Here he has an excellent point (no sarcasm).

An important lesson from history:
If someone says he's going to kill you--believe him.

Jheka #53: Actually I have to admit I thoroughly dislike Richard Dreyfuss and The Goodbye Girl or Jaws (I don't remember which was first) was the last movie I watched that he was in. I'd had no respect for him for years although after his tribute to Charlton Heston last year, I do respect him again. I applaud anyone who is honest and intelligent enough to separate someone's politics from his professional work. I still dislike Dreyfuss' professional work, though.

Just in case people needed proof of what Charles talked about on the Dennis Prager show, we have this fine example of trolldom on stage for all to see.

Red George, is that you? Have you gone to a new library? For you, shouldn't it be more along the lines of Israel = USSR and USA = East Germany? I mean for the sake of consistancy it's supposed to be the US controlled by the sinister Zionist conspiracy. The evil mind control satellites must have scrambled their transmissions to you.

Heck, I'll stick with LaTuff from yesterday. Get all the war criminals out of the Middle East…
ISM OUT OF ISRAEL!!

#54. Ah Yes. Israel as the anti-Islamofacist people's democracy. Now where have I heard that one before.

[Link: www.dailysoft.com...]

I hope the Israeli people realize (and I believe a lot of them do) that the wall is directed as much at them as it is against the Palestinians.

I hope the Israeli people realize that the wall is designed as much to keep them isolated as it is to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

A hard group of Stalinist fanatics have hijacked Israel.

Now talk about Mr. Holland's opus all of my darling racist little Lillian Hellmans.

Mr. Sharon. Tear down that wall.

Only five of them were wounded....

First off to the troll who has hijacked the name of a real man (instead of a genetically challenged creature s/he has chosen to be) your pathetic effort to make an equivolent moral equation between the Berlin Wall to keep East Germans in Stalins totalitarian grip and this one to keep Jews a bit safer from Islamofascists is like saying rape is the same as love making because they both involve sexual intercourse.

But, WTF, it may be good old Shamir or one of its cronies... I was ticked off enough at the pro-Uday/Qusay "young lions" bovine excrement attempting to pass as writing I fired off an email to its yahoo.group. I stated:

Your disgraceful and disgusting admiration for the twin butchers of Iraq...rapists, murderers and pedophiles Uday and Quasay is noted along with the repeat of blood libel.

And what did it reply?

From: "Israel Shamir" shamir@home.se

Subject: Re: MURDER MOST FOUL, by Israel Shamir

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:33:36 +0200

What is wrong with 'blood libel'?

This is not rationality, this is not reason, it contains strings of words but barely passes as human discourse.

yet again, a demonstration of the banality of evil.

*yawn*

I've got it:

Mr. Holland, tear down that Opus!

or,

Mr. Kucinich, tear down that Bong!

or,

Ms. Casta, tear off those clothes!

How clever of me.

Israel does a piss poor job on both PR and dealing with these ISM types - they should be rounded up and tossed in the most miserable jail the Israelis can find - after a few months cooling their heels they should then be deported and charged for all expenses involved and barred from entering Israel again.

Further Sharon needs to tell the world that the wall is a fixture until there is 5 years of total peace (or some such thing) between Israel and her neighbors - much like the "right of return" is a fiction so to is the notion that the wall is anything more then a device to protect the Israeli population from the murerous intent of the Arabs.

#60 Atomic Redneck:

I still dislike Dreyfuss' professional work, though.

What about What about Bob? I thought he was perfect in that--of course, he had Bill Murray to play against.

Reagan's right, the wall should come down. The Israelis should unleash the IDF. All these "Palestinians" i.e. Jordanian nationals should be escorted to their homeland in Jordan with tanks and bayonets. It's the only way to end the violence. A wall should be built on the river Jordan

341 Lively: Exactly right. As it is, it's just way too easy to be a "protestor" in Israel. Barring being killed by accident, all that happens is that you may get sent home to a hero's welcome from the morons at Evergreen U.

Imagine if these same slack-jawed idiots tried to do this sort of thing against the property of the government of China or Russia or Cuba or Colombia or Chile or egypt or Saudi Arabia or most any place on earth except Israel. Incarcerate them. Close down and level their offices. Bar anyone associated with them from entering the country. Confiscate their property and auction it off to pay for the treatment of terror victims. Then, after they've served their sentence (however many years that is), put them is a rowboat and give them a push towards home.

Is that a United Nations logo on that asshole's blue backpack?

Looks like it.

Figures.

gentle legitmate resistance supporters

Some of whom disguise their faces and wield what looks like a pick-axe of some sort. Idiots.

They're not protestors but rather saboteurs. (Hey, it's a French word!) Perhaps particular gate should closed until further notice due to sabotage.

Solomon X (#2)

Rubber bullets! They should have their asses thrown in jail with a few burly jihadis who haven't seen the sun shine for a while.

I'm with you. Why are these scumbags in Israel in the first place?

NTropy (#61)

You took the words right off my keyboard with this...

Just in case people needed proof of what Charles talked about on the Dennis Prager show, we have this fine example of trolldom on stage for all to see.

...and this...

Red George, is that you?

Asshat says this:

I hope the Israeli people realize that the wall is designed as much to keep them isolated as it is to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

How, praytell, does a wall of any kind "ethnically cleanse"?

Class, observe the classic signs of projection and persecution complex. Do not get your fingers too close to the bars . . .

More ISM news.

Here is what the ombudsman at the San Diego Union had to say of the hundreds of emails and calls received in outrage at the article by Sandi Tolbee (now removed from Sandiegounion.com but available by cache from Google) written just four days before the memorial of Marla Bennet, an innocent graduate student blown up in a cafe, compared to Rachel Corrie.

See: [Link: www.signonsandiego.com...]

That the editors of the SD Union didnt bother to do a bit more fact checking of the characterization of Ms. Corrie before letting the article run is not surprising.

That the "journalist" author was incredibly naive and simplistic in her comparison is not surprising.

That this same "award winning religious topic" writer continued with the article, despite the resistance of the Bennet family, in publishing something with this much hurtful bad taste, is not surprising.

That the ombudsman later deflects criticism of the moral equivalence by noting that "many" of the emailers were from out of town, or used profanity, is not surprising.

After all. This is the newspaper. We'll tell you what to think, and don't you dare question us. You are stupid profane people from out of town.

That Splodeydope Fence is just unfair to splodeydopes. Why can't you just play fair? If you don't remove that Splodeydope Fence I'll...I'll...I'll... I'll call you names.

Would you rather I call you names, or would you rather let me do my splodin' as I'm supposed to do? I'm warning you, you'd better take away the Splodeydope Fence or I'll really call you some highly nasty, the hurtingest names I can think of.

#73 RIR:

How, praytell, does a wall of any kind "ethnically cleanse"?

Well, according to a letter to our local newspaper several months ago, it makes the Palestinians unhappy and poor, so they move out.

I suppose if I felt like doing pooper scooper duty I'd follow each post of Red Geor…… errr Ronald Reagan and point out the fallacies.

Nahhhh to much work and zero return.

"Ronald Reagan" delenda est

#65

Is this the Ms. Casta to whom you refer? **Gratutitous HOTTNESS Alert**

Amazing. These trolls are genuinely amazing.

People don't believe me when I try to explain to them, face to face, just how devoid of intelligent reasoning ability the modern Left is. I point out how none of them appear to have reasoned out any geopolitical problem beyond some cutesy one-liner or sarcastic five-word slogan that they can paste on a signboard and wave around in costume, or are willing to profess any viewpoint that is not subversively ironic and filled with inside-out parallels to some historical event that they can't claim to have ever even deeply studied, let alone lived through; and yet they still don't believe me.

I'm bookmarking this thread, just so I can have an Exhibit A for future use.

Mr. "Reagan" once heard some sound-bite about tearing down the Berlin Wall, looks at today's situation in Israel without studying any of the reasons behind any of it, and thinks, "My! What a deliciously ironic insight I could make by repeating that one-liner!" I mean, dude! All the little mental images fit! It's got parallels! It's got irony!

For his next trick, he'll crack open a few neurons which may once have stored some factoid about a guy named Hitler who spent a decade rounding up Jews and exterminating them; what-hey! I know! I'll apply the same accusation to Israel today-- oh what luscius logic! Israel is the new Nazi state! Never mind any inconvenient facts, like about how Arabs living in Israel have more rights and are better franchised than Arabs in any of the native Arab countries surrounding it, or about how Israeli civilians are under constant threat of being the victims of random suicide attacks on buses or in restaurants. It's all just like Hitler's Germany!

I remember using these same mental tricks in arguments in eighth grade. I'm tempted to give Mr. "Reagan" the benefit of the doubt and assume he's still in high school, but the statistical fact that he's probably a good deal older and ought to know so much better is what makes me feel so ill about this pandemic of pseudo-thought plaguing the world today.

Mr. "Reagan", for your own good, please just pipe down. One of these years, after you've mentally grown up some, you'll look back at postings like the ones youv'e put here today and shudder.

THe poor troll has turrets syndrome.

OK. Wall yourselves in.

Just don't complain when the rest of the world sees your wall and assumes that you want no interaction with the outside.

You're isolating yourselves as much as you're keeping the non-white undesirables out.

Oh but what a symbol and a photo op you've provided. Thank you.

And thank you #68 for being honest.

'Ronald Reagan'

Still waiting for a reply to my comment in #57

So .... by your reckoning, the Palestinians' stated intent to exterminate the Jews doesn't amount to 'ethnic cleansing' ?

Mr Reagan. Tear down your argument.

There are plenty of evil anti-Jews in the world. As long as they refrain from murder, my pulse generally stays low.

What really gets me steamed is when one hides under the name of one of the greatest American Presidents of all time and fails to appreciate deep conversation about great American movies.

May God comfort and strengthen Nancy Reagan. Alzheimer's disease is awful.

Ronald Reagan #82,

OK, this is too much:

You're isolating yourselves as much as you're keeping the non-white undesirables out.

Umm, you do know that part of what splodeydopes rely on is that they blend in with the Israeli population, right? In other words, the Israelis are just as much "non-white" as the palestinians are. You do know this, right?

Wheres a bulldozer when you need one? - lets help ISM reunite with Rachel Corrie!

Oh Brian. Does your guilt inspire so much verbiage. Deep down inside, you know what kind of symbol that wall will be in 25 years.

Maybe when you've emerged from your fear, hatred, racism and paranoia, you'll look at it and shudder.

And who said I was "left."

Bush isn't "left" and he's not building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

Hopefully the USA will prove itself better than facist, theocratic Israel. Hopefully.

Let's look at the ethnic cleansing wall as an example of what we could become if we're not careful Let every American go to that wall and see a warning.

Aargh! I can't stand it! Here I was, rooting for the West and Israel, and then someone chants a slogan and I must change my opinions 180 degrees!

Oh the humidity!

GAZE

Oh, and now that he realizes he has to back up his argument with logic, Mr. "Reagan" now says that his biggest concern is that Israel can be seen as deliberately isolating itself in building this wall.

C'mon. Is that really what bothers you, Mr. President?

Go fish. There are plenty better arguments you could be making; you picked a bad card.

Yes #85. And the Irish were just as white as the British were in 1847.

#85 Ariel:

Thoughts a troll might have:

"Ethiopian Jews? What are those???"

"And why won't my knuckles stop bleeding?"

OK. Brian. You've got me. I hate Jews. I'm a rabid anti-semite. I'm exposed. And the real Ronald Reagan hated Germans I guess.

RR,

Big difference between the Berlin Wall and the Security Wall. One was to keep people from escaping the other is to keep people from entering.

They are not isolating themselves from the world by building a security fence. Lots of countries have defences between them. I think you are mixing Israel up with North korea.

I still think there is a wonderful chance for a little old fashioned counter insurgency program here. Get a couple of College Republican types, or better yet, Colt types, to stop bathing for a few weeks and join the ISM and find out when things like this are planned. (Sometimes ya gotta take one for the team)

Can you imagine? These weasels start their "peaceful disobedience" and about 20 LFGers with tire irons come screaming over the hill willing only to practice the kind of disobedience that ends in pieces.

After about two such episodes, ISM would fade away. Can we get the IDF to look the other way?

By the way…

For everybody who casually throws around the "troll" label please take a look at our curren exibit. Lot's of repetition with no and I mean ZERO contact with facts or reason.

Differing opinions, even repulsive ones if well backed and followed through upon do not make a troll. Unreasoned rants of lunatics - those are trolls.

"Paranoia". Man, I love it. I hardly have to say a word, and I've got more evidence for future arguments than I ever would have needed.

See, to try to take countermeasures against terrorist attacks perpetrated daily (and many times daily-- remember how many attacks are foiled each day by the IDF) against your civilian population... why, that's just paranoid!

And racist! Just like it's racist to point out that there has been a palpable paucity of attacks against Israeli citizens by Jews in the past several weeks. I'm sure that's just my white hood getting in the way.

Are you having fun here, Mr. "Reagan"? Do you enjoy getting pointed and laughed at by the entire population of a blog comment board?

Feel free to continue giving me material to print up and post on my wall.

Folks:

Enough is enough.

This thread is meing hijacked by a troll without the brains or style to make a single coherent argument (but then, I'm being redundant). I've been as guilty of feeding it as anybody but I promise to stop now. Won't you GAZE with me?

And remember, folks,

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

Do not respond

Do not engage (HA!)

Do not bestow upon them anything more than what they CRAVE:

The LGF GAZE.

GAZE

WASP SUMMER CAMP

COME JOIN US AND KILL JEWS

EVEN PRESIDENT BUSH SUPPORTS ARAB TERRORISTS WHO KILL JEWS

ENJOY A WARM CLIMATE WITH FELLOW JEW MURDERERS WHO THE WORLD LOVES AND WILL WORSHIP YOU

HAVE GREAT MEMORIES OF KILLING JEWS TO BRING BACK HOME THAT YOU CAN BE PROUD OF AND EVEN THE USA SUPPORTS

"Ronald Reagan" is the same type that hasn't noticed that Arabs kill Arabs everyday, with one obvious case being Lebanon. What do you think about the Syrian occupation of my homeland, Lebanon, "Ronald"?

You don't care, because there is no false feeling of superiority when you are not bashing Jews. I guess it is hard when you're a racist bastard that hates Jews, while expecting no civilized behaviour at all from the Arab savages.

You probably hate Arabs and Jews- for different reasons in your mind, but the real reason is that you are a mindless, slogan parroting, bigot.

And #93 as I said, the wall's aimed as much at Israelis as it is at Palestinians. A wall on the Rio Grande will be aimed as much at Americans as it will at Mexicans.

Any Israeli who abominates what that wall stands for has been put on notice by the Likud party.

You're either for us or against us.

That's why you hate the ISM so much, that's why you're all so obsessed with Rachel Corrie.

How dare these white people go on the other side of the wall and mix with the unwashed barbarians.

Sorry, sorry-- I must have slipped, or it was the cat walking on the keyboard. What I really meant to say was:

GAZE

We don't need no ethnic cleansing.

A perfect example of the content of the original, "We don't need no education." Let's see, removing the double negative: "We do n't need no ethnic cleansing." Is that really what you're trying to say, Troll? Or are you just making sounds that you don't understand again.

[BTW, Pink Floyd uses the double negative to good effect because the line is about not needing education, but everyone probably already realizes that...]

[Troll-chow]

The asshat displays an appalling lack of knowledge of history:

A hard group of Stalinist fanatics have hijacked Israel.

One could only hope. More people died at Kolyma than live in either Gaza or the West Bank.

Whatever else you may say about Stalin (that he was a madman, or that he was evil, or that he was the very anti-Christ Himself), he wouldn't have let the splodeydopes blow up little girls at Bat Mitzvahs. (OTOH, he might have had them carted off to Siberia. Y'all know me well enough to know I'm not a big fan of Stalin :-)

Welcome to the real Gulag, motherfucker. Stalin would have simply exterminated the Palis.

BTW, I thought that Leftists loved good Uncle Joe. Finally realized that killing 20 million people qualifies you for bad guy status?

You even got Cuba right.

Let me guess. Our good troll is a Buchananite.

[/Troll-chow]

Get an 8th grade education before you come back.

This mindless bumper-sticker quoting freak is not "Red George," folks. He's in Utah -- "Red George" was in Ohio.

'Ronald Reagan' - hello? hello?

No answer to my question yet. Don't tell us you haven't got one?

Here it is again in case you overlooked it:

So .... by your reckoning, the Palestinians' stated intent to exterminate the Jews doesn't amount to 'ethnic cleansing' ?

Oh, and slogans an argument do not make.

Splodeydope's lament: I've got a date tonight with 72 virgins, and this damned Splodeydope Fence is keeping me from paradise.
Allah, shake the ground under this fence, and gimme my virgins, for it is within your power.

Perhaps we could rightly ignore "Ronald Reagan," who really does seem to think that facts are stupid things, and address what appears to be a fitting irony, which I pointed out above:

Is that a United Nations logo on that asshole's blue backpack?

.....things that make you go "hmmmmmmm."

You've got it Charles.

I'm Brian Mitchell.

#105 Charles

Heh! Gee that makes me feel sooooo much better. You mean they've bred or something? How utterly vile!.

RR,

A theocracy is rule by religious clerics. Like Iran or Vatican City. Don't think you will find too amny of those on the Israeli Parliment.

What is with your obsession with people being white or not? You are obviously ignorant of the Ethiopean Jews.
Although I think the whole race thing is becoming discredited, there are only three races, Negroid, Mongloid and Caucasian. So in your mind what are the Palestinians and what are the Jews?

This is rich

"Bush isn't "left" and he's not building a wall to keep the Mexicans out."

Again, a string of words with little meaning in reality.

I was born in Los Angeles, I have always lived in So. Cal. Having a rather porous border has HURT this state, plus building a wall 1300 miles between the US and Mexico is a logistic impossibility, but there are a combination of fences and patrols in an effort to secure the border. That is the right of nations to protect their citizens. How come the troll has so much trouble with Israeli's protecting their citizens.

Rhetorical question, I know. Jews are not allowed to do anything but be dhimmis, rape victims, slaves and object of murderous intentions.

I'm too worn out to check for myself (I've been doing penance writing it and it's), but isn't "the man in black" at the far left the same one that was having a heart attack or whatever a couple of weeks back?

#106.

Yeah so the PLO has a few slogans about elimating Israel.

Didn't the Soviet's have a few slogans about "burying" us?

Doesn't means slogans mean anything beyond slogans

*unless you're dealing with an intransigent, hardened opponant who backs you into a position where you have to take your slogans literally*

If you people had run the US government during the Cold War, you would have been screaming for a nuke attack on Moscow.

They did say they were going to bury us, didn't they?

D. N. F. T. T.

Remember, our trollish guest is NOT here to listen or even to argue. He is here to roil our emotions.

Give him what he craves.

GAZE

Remember Mab in "Merlin"? She disappeared when no one looked at her. Click here for a movie NOT about Mr. Holland and His Opus

GAZE, my friends, GAZE.

GAZE your blues away
Night will turn to day
It's the only way, so
GAZE, GAZE, GAZE

#87 RR
When the neighbor rancher's cows stepped through the old fence and and trampled my lawn and ate my plants I built a better fence. Little did I know I was an anguso-facist. Thanks for helping me with the paradigm shift - I'm off to
tear down that fence so I don't committ bovine ethnic cleansing!
/sarcasm off/

Ever hear the old chestnut about "good fences make good neighbors"?

#109 Ronald Reagan

I'm Brian Mitchell.

Certainly not

Well the "Ronald Reagan" I knew hated terrorists and cowards. He would have just nuked Afghanistan then negotiated.

Our psuedo-Reagan tonight also forgets that this fence creates the very thing the Palestininians want but stops them from doing what they REALLY want. Reagan called things as they were and wouldn't call an act of self defense cowardly murder.

Lastly and most importantly, Ronald Reagan believed in Israel's right to exist free from terrorism, the darkest mark during his adminstration was caused by a suicide bomber, our Mr. Reagan here, intentionally misapporpriates a great man's greater meaning and turns it into something Reagan never was: small.

Reagan never took the side of tyranny against democracy.

Lastly, our faux-Reagan tonight forgets the truth that Israel often has taken security risks for Peace and that, when warranted Israel can and will remove the fence; but right now the fence is warranted, perhaps a different Palestinian leadership with different policies will convice the Israeli democracy to take it down.

When I saw IDF COS Gen. Yaalon speak recently he said the Palestinians had managed to kill exactly one Israeli with their rockets, everyone knows the suicide bombs are an entirely different matter. To abolish something that protects innocents, the old, women and children is the inverse of Ronald Reagan, as is asking a trusted ally to sentence some of her civilians to die is immoral depravity.

In short- whoever you are, you are not Ronald Reagan, you aren't fit to carry the gipper's piss bucket.

Yeah so the PLO has a few slogans about elimating Israel. Didn't the Soviet's have a few slogans about "burying" us?

It's also in their charter too, oh foul one.

You see how far that slogan got the Soviets. It's why we had our thumb on them for decades. Hey, but if being stupid makes you happy, go for it. We don't have to go along. You can just include imaginary people to replace us in your fantasy!

You could even pull a Michael Moore and make up your own history! You can start without us. We'll... be along... later...

GAZE for the second time today.

Jheka,

I scored a 4 out of 15 on the Mr. Holland's Opus quiz.

Does that make me a troll and if so, should I be gazing at myself?

Ethnic Cleanser's lament: This damned Splodeydope Fence is making it soooo hard to do ethnic cleansing of these apes and pigs. How many ways can I lie about the purpose of the Splodeydope Fence?

#114

"Doesn't means slogans mean anything beyond slogans"

The Nazis had slogans too. They meant somethig. How do you distinguish between slogans that don't "mean anything beyond slogans" and slogans that mean something?

ISM: We'll huff, and we'll puff, and we'll blow this wall down huff, and we'll puff, and we'll pout, whine, and seethe.

PDM

LOL thanks!! That was very good.

Experiment Concluded. Too easy.

Guilt paranoia, fear and racism makes for an easy board to troll.

Enjoy your hate people.

The question the trolls refuse to answer: If the Israelis wanted the all "Palestinians" dead, why aren't they?

As to these fence vandals, real bullets should have been used. The only sovereign nations in the world not allowed to have borders: Israel and the U.S.

By the way, catch this fascinating review of MHO that brings to light the e-e-e-e-v-i-l machinations of Disney!

The one thing that interests me in all this engineered manipulation is the use of redheads. Disney has invented a new science of redhead archetypes, and along the way reinforced or created new roles in film for reds. Here, we have reds in the roles of (a heavy) Alicia Witt and Joanna Gleason. In the role of the creative teacher partner, (Sara) Alexandra Boyd is red. In the school crowd are about ten per cent reds, an enormous inflation over reality.

Linked from IMDB

Proof that Walt Disney was SECRETLY telling us his real beliefs.

AG:

I don't know ... I didn't take the quiz.

It scared me :) .

Experiment Concluded. Too easy.

I see that you took my advice. Enjoy Fantasyland!

We'll be along later... really!

Ha! The troll was driven off (once again!) by our patented Mr. Holland's Opus Troll-Shield Guard™

Proof that even the shiniest of tin-foil hats is no match for our collective will and wit.

Iron Fist, Isshinryu!!! It's been a long time. So I guess that should be Vertical Iron Fist.

Ahh the air smells better in here already.

LGF Houston - please join if you are from the area.

I forgot to post it earlier.

Jheka,

Don't be scared grasshopper. I don't feel more trollish.

#42 Our troll writes:

We don't need no ethnic cleansing.

Hey, it looks like you'd better sing that to your ISM friends:

Gil Shterzer reports that while staging this destructo-fest, these peaceful, nonviolent "activists" were shouting a familiar Hamas slogan in English: "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!" ...in other words, openly calling for the complete destruction of Israel.

Oh sorry, I forgot: It's not ethnic cleansing if the Evull Joooos are the target, right?

#114

Yeah so the PLO has a few slogans about elimating Israel.

Doesn't means slogans mean anything beyond slogans

And this was in answer to my original question?? You haven't an answer, have you? Pathetic.

IBN BATTUTA.

Great name!!!! LOL!!!!

I prefer Al Qoholic as my arabic pseudonym, but great name!!!!

I've been "debating" some of "Ronald Reagan's" ideological allies on Salam Pax's photo board thingy, they are starting to self destruct:

[Link: www.fotopages.com...]

Crabby A is me.

It's getting lonely there - could use a few other LGF minds to chime in!

Wow, who knew-- we've all been had!

We plied him with logic, we answered his questions and posed many of his own, and rebutted his accusations of "paranoia" and "guilt" and "racism" and "hate", and look-- none of it's any different to him than if we'd chanted Klan slogans at him.

I'd sure love to see who funds the kind of research Mr. "Reagan" is doing.

AG:

I also got 4. Not bad, for not having ever seen the movie.

Also, your Houston kung-fu is weak!!

Real Lizardoids learn the way of the San Francisco fist!!

Join us or be destroyed!

Asshat,

Don't let the door hit you're ass while you crabwalk out :-P

(Think he figured out that we were laughing at him?

я не думаю.

[Demonic cackling]

#136 AG in Houston

I prefer Al Qoholic as my arabic pseudonym, but great name!!!!

Mine is Hous Bin Pharteen, I posted that on the Indymediot petition awhile back. I stole it from the SNL skit.

Well, speaking of actual non-violent solidarity:

Superman actor Christopher Reeve is to arrive in Israel on July 28 for a solidarity visit with paralytics and victims of Palestinian attacks.(AFP/File/Paul J. Richards)

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

[Link: www.christopherreeve.org...]

So, is that asshole wearing a UN backpack? Anybody?

Iron fist, you commie, you!

Reaganite

Best SNL skit in years. And it's been years.

Jheka

Grasshopper, soon you will learn the power of Houston Kung Fu.

It isn't difficult to ask Allah to shake the ground under your feet.

You live in San Francisco.

#144 джека,

дa, товарищ.

:-)

What could be more "apartheid" than the Palestinians demanding another Arab-only state?

Arab states are not generally known for their multiculturalism and tolerance of infidels. The Palestinians are no exception, and they demonstrate this by demanding dismantlement of the Israeli "settlements," which is the politically correct way to say, "no Jews allowed."

Now even if they get their Palestinian state, which they claim is the goal of all their terrorism, then why is it so unreasonable to have a fence separating Israel and "Palestine?" Don't countries have a right to control the flow of traffic across their borders?

The answer is that even if the Palestinian Arabs get their own sovereign state they will simply not accept Israel’s own sovereignty, and a fence between the two countries represents an obstacle to their true goal, and pipe dream, of conquering Israel itself.

That is why, in addition to demanding a "Palestinian" state, the Palestinians also demand a "right of return" to Israel itself. Apparently, just because they demand their own Palestinian state doesn't mean they want to actually live in it, but have plans to move into Israel instead. Barring that, they are quite content to continue blowing busses up, and aren't afraid to say so.

And of course, regardless of whether they are trying to move out of "Palestine" and into Israel, or simply have a hankering to blow up a disco, the last thing they want is a fence in the way.

#145 AG in Houston
I don't watch SNL any more, I was sent the MPEG of the skit. As you said, it's been years.

Anyway, shouldn't you statement have read:

It isn't difficult to ask Allan to shake the ground under your feet. ?

At least the New York Times has gotten the message - "Seven foreign activists were injured, according to the International Solidarity Movement, a ."pro-Palestinian group made up mostly of young Westerners. The group said it had helped organize the action

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

If I only knew how to do the markout, it might have read that.

But I ain't that smart.

I am only an Israeli redneck.

reaganite, AG in Houston,

My personal preference is Sheikh Yerbouti (sp?), invented by once-frequent-commenter E. Nough.

Reaganite

WHOA!!!

That is my post.

I am sorry for impersonating a great poster with crappy response.

I will try better next time.

Um, "name:" refers to your name.

If you want to address "reaganite," put his name in this comments well.

I believe sheik yerbouti is a Frank Zappa album.

Charles, any comment?

*scratching head.

Durn, I'm still trying to figure how an inanimate object as a wall can 'ethnically cleanse', is there some kind of leading edge technology that allows this to happen now?

I always thought too, that walls were statements of bounderies not to be crossed and they are usually statis aren't they? Can walls move and cleanse? Do they do this at night during a full moon?
Does Richard Dreyfuss have the means to create walking walls that cleanse? Can these walls play the piano too? Wait! Can these cleansing walls do laundry?

ah, sorry.

I thought you were someone new.

(as if *I*'ve never made a mistake in posting.)

Thanks Steve. (Blushing)

Damn AG, I thought I was being trolled again! LOL

I've never done that.

Iron Fist :-P

#151 Ariel

reaganite, AG in Houston,

My personal preference is Sheikh Yerbouti (sp?), invented by once-frequent-commenter E. Nough.

Actually I believe that's from Frank Zappa

Iron Fist

How'd your 3rd degree test go?

#151

You are insulting Charles!, Sheik Yerbouti is an album by Frank Zappa

Sheik Yerbouti

*Blush*...Oops, letting my ignorance show again...

#159

That just confused the hell out of me. LOL!

Dammit!!!

AG in Houston

"Ronald Reagan" thinks he has found us a brilliant metaphor:

Didn't the Soviet's have a few slogans about "burying" us?

Well, actually, no. Kruschev said something along those lines, but it wasn't meant as a direct threat, to my knowledge. As far as I'm aware, the Russians did not have daily propaganda demanding the full destruction of "Yankee sons of pigs and monkeys" off "their" North American land.

Also, they didn't send suicide squads into our cities. I don't know of a single incident of a Russian soldier killing an American one; certainly none celebrated by the Russians as a glorious martyrdom operation. Which is why we're still here, no doubt.

Of course, that didn't keep us from having a Containment Policy, not to mention engaging in fun things like nuclear brinksmanship and proxy wars.

That Berlin Wall, by the way, was built by the Soviet side -- by the Red Army, to be exact -- to keep their new German subjects inside, not to keep Westerners outside. (Actually, Westerners were encouraged to come to the East Berlin side, since they had valuable hard currency.) The entire set up of the wall, from the minefields to the identity checks, was designed to keep the East Berliners in. Those few that escaped were aided and welcomed by West Berliners.

Which is a very long way of stating the blindingly obvious: that our man from Utah is an idiot whose understanding of history somehow manages to be inferior to his understanding of persuasive argument.

And I'm a fool for even wasting my time to say so.

The wall is an Israeli tactic to annex and legitimise the occupied territories and the illegal settlements - a further violation of the fourth Geneva convention.

However, full annexation of the West Bank (if the third phase of the wall is completed as planned) would require offering citizenship to nearly 2m Palestinians (with another 1.2m in Gaza), which would quickly challenge the Jewish majority of the state. Israel is supposedly a democracy. Within Israel proper, all of its citizens—Arabs and Jews—have equal rights, at least on paper. Is the only way to maintain a Jewish majority in Israel to do a little ethnic cleansing, or maybe to formalise the already emerging appartheid system that distinguishes between the rights of Jews and Arabs?

At some points the wall strays at least 6 km into Palestinian territory and there are over 35 cases where the fence will cut off the residential section of Palestinian towns from their fields, and farmers will be dependent on Israelis opening gates for them so that they can work their lands. The city of Qalqilya, which now resembles an eastern block prison camp, is now surrounded on all sides, part of it by fence and part by an imposing, eight-metre-high wall. The encirclement leaves the town with a single gate for entry or exit, and has cut it off from most of its agricultural land, among the most fertile in the West Bank.

The wall is like a manifestation of everything that is wrong about Israel. The IDF have their rifle sights on pretty peaceniks like Tom Hurndall. The international press have their zoom lenses on the checkpoints and the watchtowers. People will cheer when this evil wall eventually falls, and you will be able to buy chunks of graffit covered concrete on e-Bay.

Enough

You should be gazing right about... now.

#160 NTropy ,

It went well. Thanks for asking :-)

I have a follow-up on Tuesday (I have to teach a class under the supervision of my Sensei), but I've passed. I had some little errors here and there (I am far from perfect), but I made it through it.

One of the biggest milestones in my life. It only took 22 years to get here :-)

Again, thanks for asking.

CB is back (and so soon, too).

Here's a hefty cuppa GAZE for ya!

The backpack logo looks like a globe, maybe with a white something [maybe writing] on it, with a light ring around it. It doesn't look like the classic white on light blue UN symbol; there's definitely a lot of green in there.

Charles, does this count as a "target rich environment"? The IDF can't tell the difference.

ConventBabe #165,

At some points the wall strays at least 6 km into Palestinian territory and there are over 35 cases where the fence will cut off the residential section of Palestinian towns from their fields

Yes, but the Israelis also had the temerity to build up whole cities on palestinian land! Like Tel Aviv! What ever shall we do? Better support genocidal maniacs only trying to liberate palestine, right? From the river to the sea, palestine will be free, right? Itbach-al-Yahud, and all that.

But you're not antisemitic are you? Just as long as the Jews jump into the gas chambers, you have no problems with them, right? Should they defend themselves... well, then, they have to be condemned as the worst practitioners of apartheid, ethnic cleansing, etc, right?

GAZE for the third time today.

NTropy,

Check out what PDM did for me.

Is that not too cool?

Thanks, PDM!

:-)

And thanks, again, to all who congratulated me. There's nothing so important as the support of your friends.

LGF rocks!

:-P

"In Soviet Union, fence attacks you!"

/channeling Yakov Smirnoff

a little late, Iron Fist, but a big, fat "Congrats" to you. That's a tough nut to crack!

The wall is an Israeli tactic to annex and legitimise the occupied territories and the illegal settlements

And conveniently for them it also protects their citizens from murderous Arab Nazis, giving them a claim of defense when really it's all about theft.

I bet some (if not most) of those splodeydopes were actually IDF agents, killing Israelis, so Sharon has an excuse to build this wall.

Those Jews are so clever.

seattle steve miller (#168):

Note the marked change in style from the usual "semi-coherent fluffhead". I think she's finally figured out what "ctrl+V" is for.

Rayra.

Very accurate presumption.

Iron Fist.

Congrats! Come to Houston so I can kick your ass, Krav Maga style!!!

;-)

Yes, but the Israelis also had the temerity to build up whole cities on palestinian land! Like Tel Aviv! What ever shall we do? Better support genocidal maniacs...

I dunno, I'm liking Fleetwood Mac's comeback. Deathberg?

ConventCow is back, oh fun. This thread attracts such wonderful people.

I'm not anti-semitic. I have no problem with the Jews in Britain. They have made huge contributions to British society, and some of my friends are Jewish.

I just think that Israel is a complete disgrace though. I think that the middle East is Arab land, and I don't think that one should build a pig pen in the middle of a lion's den.

How tastefully done, the troll-control here. I would've added that in Holland's opus, the kid was deaf just like Beethoven was. That's pretty cool...

Anybody catch the tearjerking story on Newshour with Jim Lehrer tonight on "the wall?" Actually most of it's a fence, seems. But some poor Pali kids used to have only a 2 minute walk to school. Now it's 30 minutes, because they have to walk over to a security checkpoint.

Oh, sure, they can still enter the "wall," but it's 30 minutes they have to walk to enter through a checkpoint (keeping terrorists out) before they go to school (to learn how to hate Jews).

30 minutes! Not 2. That's like, half an hour. NPR thinks it ought to come down.

Железны& #1081; Кулак (#174):

Well, поздрав& #1083;ения from me, too.

;-)

#165 ConventBabe

Nice qualifiers and half-truths in your post:
"Israel is supposedly a democracy."
"Arabs and Jews—have equal rights, at least on paper."
"Is the only way to maintain a Jewish majority in Israel to do a little ethnic cleansing"
"the already emerging appartheid system"

Get lost!

A big fat fuck you conventbitch.

Your sanctimonous "some of my best friends are Jooos" bullshit will not fly here.

God damn bitch, if my foot could reach jolly mother fucking England, I would drop stonehenge on your bulbous head.

Get the fuck out of here you hate filled anti semetic _________!

My apologies if I offended anyone, except the trolls.

Sorry I fed them.

I don't think that one should build a pig pen in the middle of a lion's den.

Person has clearly not been to Israel.

#174 Iron Fist

Now replace the opening in Black Sabbath's "Iron Man" with "Iron Fist" eh?

Why do they want to get in to Israel? I know it's a stupid question.

I got off the puter for a couple hours and everything changes
what the heck is GAZE?

cut it out it make you look stupid

If one ignores the past, and only focuses on the building of the wall TODAY, then one comes up with an incorrect view.

Note the link below:

[Link: history1900s.about.com...]

Photograph from the Jack Moses Collection, courtesy of USHMM Photo Archives.
American soldiers in front of the crematorium in Dachau. The corpses on the left are of SS personnel summarily executed by American troops. (April 29 - May 1, 1945)

Americans killed germans without trial. But if you know what happened at Dachau, if you know what they saw, then that affects your judgement of them.

Knowing that the West Bank and Gaza where all in Arab hands from 1948 to 1967 affects any sympathy for those whose only goal in those years was the total destruction of "the zionist entity."

Its real life folks, hatred is not rewarded with a "do over."

#183 ConventBabe

Read some history and get back to us dingaling.

#184 paul

Oh, sure, they can still enter the "wall," but it's 30 minutes they have to walk to enter through a checkpoint (keeping terrorists out) before they go to school (to learn how to hate Jews).

And the Temple Mount? No Jews or Christians allowed.
Thanks Muslims!!!!

#185 Q,

Thanks.

Pushing my vocabulary, though :-)

That's good. You don't learn from working with what you know.

:-)

I think that the middle East is Arab land

What a completely racist sentiment. Disgusting.

#192 papertiger

Read the FAQ section on the LGF main page to find out. Here's the link...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

# AG in Houston

You sound like a very angry person. You probably live near the I 10, and have inhaled the fumes. Or maybe the urban sprawl in Houston has made you depressed and aggressive. My Daddy wasn't very happy when he lived there either. I think you should come to London too.

Geee ConventBabe, could he become smooth and sophistcated just like you. Golly GEEEEE.

Ignorance and arrogance aren't any prettier when thy're put together than when separate.

I'm not anti-semitic. I have no problem with the Jews in Britain.

LOL!

#195 ralph

'And the Temple Mount? No Jews or Christians allowed.
Thanks Muslims!!!!

Yeah, where's the reciprocity? At least they could set up a checkpoint, or something.'

Funny, NPR didn't mention that.

#190 NTropy,

Have to have Ronnie James Dio do the vocals. Ever heard Live Evil?

I am Iron Fist.

[growl]

:-)

ConventBabe

I'm not anti-semitic. I have no problem with the Jews in Britain.

Why not just say you're not antisemitic as long as those pesky Jews know their place. You even condescend to speak to them on occassion.

Iron Fist (#196):

The word is "congratulations", as you've probably figured out from the context.

Hey, flaunt it if you've got, sez I ;-)

....wasnt conventdreck supposed to be waiting tables in Italy?

did they object to her pandering?

#183 ConventBabe

"...some of my friends are Jewish."

"Some of my friends are (fill in the blank)" has to be one of the best examples of qualifying one's bigoted beliefs or statements. If you wish to spew your racist BS, why don't you drag your knuckles over to IdiotMedia or DU? They would appreciate it more there than we do here.

Durn...I didn't get one laugh or hoot for my idiotsynchrisity. *sigh

GAZE

#197 SoCalJustice

Hi! :-)

Ya...you noticed that too, eh? -=

I think that the middle East is Arab land

Totally disgusting...exactly. Absymal, pathetic ignorance to boot. Wonder how the Kurds, Armenians, all of Iran, et caetera, et caetera, et caetera would respond to her (?) sentiments.

Not a troll, I guess, but I'M not responding to her nonsensical grasp of geopolitic.

Death-to-the-Jewish-State is the current variation of the theme of death-to-the-Jew. Only it covers more ground.

The Jewish state is the Jew among the states. This lust for politicide just brings the murder-the-Jew idea from the personal level to the state level.

I know that I'm not anti-semitic. You can scream it all you want. You always do. Everything is anti-semitic. But there is a danger is overprescribing, as well as underdiagnosing.

If everything is anti-Semitic, then the term loses its vital distinction.

seattle steve miller #88

Oh the humidity!

LOL!

BTW: I sent a request to join LGF Northwest.

Looks like the IDF really screwed the pooch, used the wrong plastic bullets. Theese are better:

[Link: www.hornady.com...]

varmit ouchy..

ConventBabe:

Get thee to a nunnery. Or perhaps a madrassa. Make sure you are veiled and accompanied by your cousin ( or may be a cushion).

Good luck.

#211 ConventBabe

I Lied. I am responding. The reason many are calling you anti-Semitic is that you are, but you just don't know it!

To borrow a Chinese aphorism - "Does a Fish Know that it's in Water?"

Not everything is antisemitic, Convent, just you.

Comparing Israel to a pigpen, how very supportive of you. "I have no problem with the Jews in Britain." You might as well have said, "I have no problems with Jews who know their place."

"I think that the middle East is Arab land, and I don't think that one should build a pig pen in the middle of a lion's den. "

Tell that to the middle east's tens of millions of indigenous Jews, Kurds, Persians, Turks, Copts, Berbers, Armenians and other non-Arab middle easterners.

"If everything is anti-Semitic, then the term loses its vital distinction. "

Same thing if nothing is antisemitic.

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This is true. The term loses its meaning when applied inapporpriately.

You are an anti-semite.

Damn ASP, you get the idea...5.56 moly

Dudes! Looks like Shaggy and his cousins. Where's Scooby? I wouldn't take these 'tards too seriously, they are right up there with PETA and the nuts who chain themselves to trees. I have a feeling their supporters are the same group, and look how effective they have been. The Israeli's have it just about right. Treating them as a nuisance gives them the status they deserve.
I think ol' Ronny Reagan is just takin' the piss out of you to irritate ya. (Either that or he fell off the little bus.) If Israel wanted to do some real ethnic cleansing, the rest of the world would be as ineffective in stopping it as they were in Rwanda. Look at the Arab hordes rushing in to save Iraq. It would take the UN 6 months to draft a resolution condeming it. The Arab world couldn't unite long enough to agree on the proper method to pork a camel. (Although they do have rules on how to clean up after!)

#174 Iron Fist,

You are most welcome. I truly admire what you have done there. Your discipline should be an example and inspiration to all of us.
Again, congratulations.

"Death-to-the-Jew" is what those common riff-raff people, those anti-semites say. But we refined folks, the real elite, we say "death-to-the-Jewish-state". It's so... well, it's in among the Euros to say it this way, n'est-ce pas?

LOL!!!!!! Sorry guys. That damn cut an paste didn't select the intended text. ROTFLMAO!

Hi Iron Fist ..ready for your test tomorrow?

I sure wish we could see some video of you in action.
That would be way cool.

Hey since you like GOOD music, check out this song bird
Eva Cassidy...she's passed, but boy could she sing!

in regard to the GAZING

IMHO the term Gaze could be upgraded to ZIP IT from the Dr. Evil fame
for the more pernicious trolls

And again, PDM, thanks.

[Respectful bow]

I'm not anti-semitic. I have no problem with the Jews in Britain. They have made huge contributions to British society, and some of my friends are Jewish.

England's Edward I expelled its Jews in 1290, and they were not readmitted until 1600.

[Link: www.cousinsplus.com...]

But other than that, and so long as one does not marry your sister, right? I feel so loved at this moment.

Conventbabe,

When you are in Houston, please drop by and learn that Goldberg ain't the baddest Jooooo this side of the Mississippi.

What, are you guys saying that Fleetwood Mac isn't good music. And you call yourselves patriots?

I don't support PETA - I wear fur in the winter, and I hunt. Just because you don't support Israel doesn't make you a crank. British people just don't want to be dragged into this totally partisan conflict, and we always support the underdog. That is part of what is great about being British.

#230, before you decide who the underdog is in the middle east conflict, let me remind you that Israel is surrounded by two dozen hostile Arab states.

209 Tiburon:

Hi!

Yeah, her racism is hard to miss.

Someone who says the Middle East is "Arab" land, aside from having a limited education and no historical perspective, must think this by extension:

Europe is "White People" land,
Africa is "Black People" land,
Asia is "Yellow People" land,
North America is "Red People" land,
Australia is "Aboriginal" land,

etc...

When that same person is not calling for "White People" to leave North America or Australia, or her own people to leave Northern Ireland - but only for Israelis to leave the "Arab" Middle East - that person is not only racist but anti-Semitic.

Like I said: disgusting.

British people just don't want to be dragged into this totally partisan conflict

Nobody asked you to drag your paternalistic asses into this conflict. Nor did anyone ask you for your opinion.

Conventcow

Israel is up against 23 Arab Countries.

Israel has 6mm people.

Arabs have 300mm people.

Israel has very limited resources.

Arabs have unlimited resources (if they used their heads).

Israel is the size of New Jersey.

Arabs have more land than the continental US.

England would be greater than you think it is, f it supported the right side, not the underdog.

ConventBabe - did you know that most of Israel was barren and impoverished before the jews came? Did you also know that most of the 'Palestinians' are from surrounding countries, and not native to the area? Did you know that the muslim agenda is world-wide Sharia law and death to ALL infidels, not just jews? Did you know that it is perfectly acceptable to muslims to rape a woman who is not dressed properly? This is straight from the Quran, not just radical Islamists. Please think and study a bit before parroting the popular social theories of your peers. Otherwise your countrymen have a term for you. (That would be 'Twat' )

OT (sorry): Did anything happen with the Pipes nomination today? If not, when does the committee meet again? Thanks.

Bethlahem, it is Palis control; why. It should be in Israel's control. Jews have always lived there.

If you know your history, then you would know where I'm coming from and you wouldnt have to ask me..who the hell do I think I am.

Christ was born there, he was Jewish.

Do they all cut and paste from the same colouring book? *yahwn...

Soooooo boring!

AG ..methinks this last little bit of shrilltroll is jealous. *?)

"You know what's great about you British? Octopussy. I must have seen that movie twice."
-Homer Simpson

With the Soviet Union dead, antisemitism is what defines the British intellectual classes. Look at the Guardian - it demands in its editorials that Israel be destroyed. The troll here is simply repeating the hateful and dishonest anti-Israel propaganda that infests the British media.

AG in Houston

Thank you for the kind invitation, but I will have to decline. I love Texas, but Houston is not a pretty city. But I do miss watching the Astros from the ConocoPhillips box.

#277
Maybe my sister will marry a Jew, quite possibly. Or maybe an Arab. Westminster is full of both. Just as long as she doesn't go back to the Zionist "homeland" I don't care.

"I don't think one should build a pig pen in the middle of a lion's den"

You mean ape-and-pig pen, don't you? As in Jews are apes and pigs, or Jews are descended from apes and pigs?

Lion's den: are you referring to the claim of Hafez al-Assad, the self-styled lion of Damascus, that the French-created modern "Syria" includes what is presently Israel, Jordan, and whatever surrounding areas were also in the Roman province of Syria?

This is the zoo theory of the Middle East, brought to you by -- as brownfinger says -- nuts.

Raider (#237):

Christ was born there, he was Jewish.

Don't you know that Chirst was "the first Palestinian fedayeen"??

ConventBabe,

Can you say colectomy? I'm sure you can.

DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK.

Intended for ConventBabe only.

Apologies to all others.

ConventBabe:

Fuck off.

ConventBabe

Didn't britian tuck tail and run in 48?

Before a rag tag civi millitia squashed arab armies with modern equipment?

Do you think if all of Isreal's Jews moved to South Beach and the "holy land" fell into the ocean the surrounding Arabs would become happy productive members of the modern world??

"You know what's great about you British? Octopussy. I must have seen that movie twice."

Yeah, baby, yeah!

zulubaby (#245):

Hey, that's my line!

;-)

EXCUSE ME

I happen to be dual citizenship US/UK, and have family in England. Never have I heard such bloody crap fall out of their mouths about Israel or their politics. Nor have they ever acted as though they are above anyone else due to differences in ethnicity. And they backed the war in Iraq and they back morally and militarily Israel.

And anyone who has any sense in their craniums would not be desirous of living in London. The best of the best in living in Britain happens to be on the west coast of Scotland. Lout.

Houston ain't a place to visit.

It's a place to live.

The temperature has dropped about 5 degrees since you left.

You hot air is getting to everyone here.

I would like nothing more than to pur some salt over you and watch you shrivel up into a little ball of slime and wham! my big fat size 11 IDF issue boot squashes you on the pavement across from Minute Maid field on a hot Houston sidewalk.

But seriously, why do people have sh*t for brains?

Logic tells me that if your neighbors tresspass, build a fence. If your neighbors pull down your fence, they are not part of the social contract. Defend your property.

Property rights are part and parcel with democracy. Rule of law and all that.

Jeebus!

I like the look of the big concrete 3 story part of the wall
Didn't the British divie up all the land in the ME making Israel the underdog by default?

#233

But people do ask us to care. People scream anti-semitism the minute that Jack Straw and Tony Blair make any motions towards negotiations with the Palestinians. It would be wrong of them to back Israel as they must represent the interests of the British people.

why is anyone even bothering to comment on what that loser Convent Babe (like Babe the pig.....as in Israel being a pig pen in the lion's den of the middle east?) says?

Ignore her or him and they will go away.....

Convent Babe obviously has serious emotional problems and probably is learning disabled as well......

My friend's grandmother always would say,

"An empty barrel makes the loudest noise"

IGNORE CONVENT BABE.....please!

Logic tells me that if your neighbors tresspass, build a fence. If your neighbors pull down your fence, they are not part of the social contract. Defend your property.

You need to write a letter to Dubya:

Dear Dubya,

Please let Israel build the fence. It doesn't kill anyone and it prevents terror.

Thank you,

__________

#253

"It would be wrong of them to back Israel as they must represent the interests of the British people."

I thought the interests of the British people were to not get involved, as you stated earlier?

#235 brownfinger
Good post

But some poor Pali kids used to have only a 2 minute walk to school. Now it's 30 minutes, because they have to walk over to a security checkpoint.

Not only that, but the Israelis have engineered it so the Pali kids have to walk uphill both ways.

Oh, the humanity!

I would like nothing more than to pur some salt over you and watch you shrivel up into a little ball of slime and wham! my big fat size 11 IDF issue boot squashes you on the pavement across from Minute Maid field on a hot Houston sidewalk.

I didn't know Raymond Carver was posting to LGF!

#250

Did they teach you that kind of behaviour in the IDF? Everyone that I met in Houston was really elegant and chraming. They had really exemplary manners. I admired them. And the ladies loved my Daddy.

cba -

Those Israelis are so selfish--who do they think they are that they have the right to provocatively...eat pizza?!

Quick - notify John Banzhaf and the Center for Science in the Pubic Interest at ONCE!!! We can't allow this health menace to go on!!!

AG it's obvious it has been many years [generations?] since this troll was in Houston [ if ever it was]

Sure is nice knowing its not in Houston, it would cause the asthmatics to react serverely.

GAZE

The IDF taught me how to dispose of my enemies.

And you, convent bitch, are the enemy.

You are an anti-semite, who prays for the destruction of the Jews.

Anti-semites are the enemies of Israel.

Therefore, you are my enemy.

Yair #255

Dubya would not heed me. I'm Canadian.

Rule of law, property rights, free speech. These are not "given". They do not come from on high.

I decide to subjugate myself. The "rulers do not give me these "rights".

(Sorry for the "reuters" "news" quotes.

#136 AG in Houston:

Actually, "Ibn Battuta" is a real name -- he was basically the Arab equivalent of Marco Polo, traveling throughout the Muslim world and beyond for about 30 years in the 1300s. I'm a geographer by trade, thus the pseudonym. But it adds to the attraction that you can make a joke out of it. ;-)

Sadly, my shoe size is only 9 1/2. (But don't be fooled, ladies! :) )

Ibn Battuta

Translation: son of potatoe.

I have never lived in Houston, thank god, but my dear father, with his Cambridge geology degree and his innate upperclass anti-semitism, came out there in the 70s to find oil for you kids in the gulf of Mexico so that you can fill up your ugly SUVs though.

Rule of law, property rights, free speech. These are not "given". They do not come from on high.

Where do they come from? A shotgun?

"Not only that, but the Israelis have engineered it so the Pali kids have to walk uphill both ways.

Oh, the humanity!"

LOL Plus, that's just one way. That makes it about an hour TOTAL! Uphill.

Do you enjoy yourself?

#230 ConventBabe

You're a great equivocator. Shouldn't you have written "we always support the apparent underdogs"? I mean come on, the Arab refugees have the support of the entire 1.2 billion Muslims, the EUnichs, the LLL. Israel has the support of the US some think not even that.

Shoot, when you have people who complain that a security fence = ethnic cleansing (RR on this thread) and self-defense = genicide (Gordon whenever possible) is it really the wannabe Palestinians who are the underdogs?

AG

The plasticity, and inflexion tells me this troll is a fake.

A hoot and a holler....Charles where is this one from?

I have never lived in Houston, thank god,

Then shut up and quit trashing Houston. You haven't lived in Israel either, so what gives you the right to hate it so much?

Q (#248)

I didn't think you'd mind if I borrowed it for a while ;-)

Actually, I agree with christine j (#245) -- ignore this cow. An entire thread has been derailed by a dumb troll, again. It's becoming boring. This is not what LGF is about. Who actually cares what this piece of drek thinks? Seriously. Does her opinion even matter? She's repulsive. First that idiot posting as 'Ronald Reagan' (cute) and now this one. Feh. I'm going to watch TV.

Sorry,

Quotes and parentheses gone wild!

Ntropy

Howdy.

You never sent me my copy of Charles on the Dennis Prager show.

Are you still doing favors?

with his Cambridge geology degree and his innate upperclass anti-semitism, came out there in the 70s to find oil

No Ignorance for Oil!

Racist scum.

Attaboid:

Ewwww, I can almost SMELL those pictures! LOL!

Quark - You'd prefer a REAL troll? ;)

ConventBabe - what's the matter? Daddy didn't give you enough attention? Or perhaps TOO MUCH attention?

zulubaby (#275):

Just make sure to put it back when you're done ;-)

#268 ConventBabe

Geee you remind me of somebody. Are you sure you didn't once go by the handle of Freebourne Secularia?