Awesome!

Genius.

Really, those guys deserve to be in a lot of newspapers.

Never was there a more deserving pancake!

LOL

I wonder what the design would be had Michael Moore won?

Moore eating the Fiskie trophy?

Today must be ISM's day. RC gets an award and they get another martyr (idiot) to trot out.

British peace activist shot by Israeli soldier dies

OMG That is totally hilarious! Haw haw haw!

LMAO!!!!!

That is GREAT!!!!!

Rachel crushed the oppostion, so it is only fitting that she is honored with a trophy of her stature.

Still think she rates the Darwin Award, maybe Charles can work out a joint venture!

... and onto a new thread.

Kragar (#6)

I wish the parents of Rachel Corrie and Tom Hurndall would place the blame where it belongs -- with ISM.

It's excellent of Tom Hurndall to choose to die so serendipitously, we owe him one...Not!
LOL at C&F, good work gentlemen. Thanks for illustrating the 2003 Fiskies!

*seizes Morlocks from other Rachel Araflat thread* *delivers said Morlocks to big bash*

That is, big awards bash.

That is excellent!
 

Oh, and you should be proud of your homebrew php code, Charles, great work Lizardly one!

Hey, maybe Tom was dying to congratulate Rachel on the win?

Why oh why isn't C&F in newspapers... Oh, that's right. The whole touchy feely PC thing. Gotcha.

It's particularly good of you, Cox and Forkum, to include the burning flags-very nice touch! And it tells you exactly why she so richly deserved this dishonor.

CHARLES, YOU ROCK!

Hit the tipjar, folks!

(I just did.)

#22 Dar ul Harb

Hit it fairly generously last week. You know, guilty conscience for all the trolling activity.

Thank you C&F. Wonderful (as usual).

That's the D-9 Armored Military sized award trophy.

Rachael deserves no less.

Never mind Flat Howard. I give you flat Rachel.....

Yeah, hit up that TJ peepz! You know it'll make you feel good!

Oh, and congratulations on winning the LGF bingo pool, RWC...

Totally OT

Jimmah to endorse Dean-o

Rats, I didn't get a chance to post my fisking of this pile of recycled Rod McKuen droppings before the thread had to be shut down, so (with your indulgence) I'll put it here:

Evolution's Eve, there is so much wrong with your thought process I don't know where to begin.

Classic line-by-line fisking might do it:

"You people are actually going to try for a posting record of 1000 on the back of a dead child."
Corrie may have been childish in a "Lord of the Flies" sense, but she was 23 years old.

"Do you have no heart, no conscious, and most of all no shame."
That would be "conscience" and, unlike you, we actually have one and therefore cannot abide murderous status-seekers and terror-sluts masquerading as do-gooders.

"What if it was your parents being put through this torture."
I would expect to be roasting in Hell for causing them such shame if I had been killed trying to perpetrate a murder-apologist media stunt.

"Even after she was so brutally taken from this realm, her parents still had the courage to go and accept a momentous gift from Mr. Arafat." Speaking of no shame. They do revere their arms-smuggling don't they?

"That is the true meaning of civility and compassion."
No, it is the true meaning of complete dhimmitude and soul-dead idiotarian conformity.

"Even though their dear sweet child had died fighting for the helpless people of Yasser Arafat, they still hold no grudge towards the man."
What about the real children the IDF was trying to protect when Saint Rachel tried to stop the demolition of a terrorist smuggling tunnel?

"You people need to realize that compassion and kindness will defeat your hatred in the end."
Hasn't done much for Palestinian hatred or their tools' satanic hatred of reason and love of moral hypocrisy. Kindness to killers is cruelty to victims.

Steve Miller -

On the previous thread you wrote:

she thought she would be protected by her magic aura

I read that a little too fast the first time, I thought it said:

she thought she would be protected by her magic bra

I'm still bitter about Supreme Vermin's loss in the DC Primary.

He wuz robbed, just like Algore in 2000.

RWC,

Why oh why isn't C&F in newspapers... Oh, that's right. The whole touchy feely PC thing. Gotcha.

Believe it or not, the LA Times publishes Michael Ramirez who's often as not as in-your-face as C&F.

1028 posts? And it didn't blow up? Good work Charles!

evariste is right: since we abused Mr. Johnson's bandwidth, we all should hit the tip jar.

;^)

Rachel Corrie's parents are proof of what P. T. Barnum said about suckers.

that is the coolest thing I've seen in a long time.

C & F,

Yeah I bet she didn't see that coming, either!

Frank IBC, LOL!

she thought she would be protected by her magic bra

That's what I was trying to tell zulubaby, I thought the magic panty hat would protect me from the Voice of the Lurker! But she was all, "you're just a sick pervo evariste" and I was forced to agree because how can I argue with a compliment like that?

Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in all the self-congratulation, but no one dead, even Rachel Corrie, deserves the glee shown by Cox & Forkum and posters to this thread over her death.

The historical parallel that comes to mind is William Randolph Hearst's newspapers obliquely calling for the assassination of President William McKinley in 1901, so violently in opposition they were to his Philippines policies. Soon afterwards, he was assassinated, and the Hearst press was rightfully condemned and disgraced.

So no, Cox & Forkum don't deserve to be in any newspapers.

Gordon's here! My day is complete.

Dag Nabbit! That's the problem being 12 hours in front of Los Angeles: by the time I got up this morning and onto the computer, the thread The Envelope, Please had reached over 1000 post and was closed by Charles. Next year I'll get up earlier!

I did notice one post on that thread that said although Rachel Corrie was a deserving recipient of the award, the crowing and bad-taste pancake comments were hardly likely to persuade anyone who was unsure on the issue. A bucket of cold reality thrown over unnecessary schadenfreude.

Persuading other young 'uns not to follow Rachel Corrie into the arms of manipulative terrorists needs explaination of her folly and exposure of her stupidity, not crowing and rejoicing in her death. There, I've had my say .... I'l get me coat.

Surely this C&F image was produced before the Fiskie voting was final. I'd like to see the illustrations that would have been posted here had Moore or the U.N. or even Ted Rall had been selected...er....elected.

By the way, I'd like everyone to keep in mind that what separates us from the "DeathCult" is our love of life and the hope (for, among other things, personal redemption) that life brings. I, for one, am sorry that Rachel Corrie will never have the chance for redemption that John Lindh, or even Cat Stevens, currently enjoy.

That, and I also hate to see young people die. Does anyone else here just see, in Rachel Corrie, a brainwashed young woman, and not a terrorist-enabling monster? She was enabling terrorism, but she was conditioned to be willfully blind to the reality of what she was supporting.

The lesson to be taken from the story of Corrie should be, "Teach Your Children Well," and not, "This Particular Young Woman Deserves Ridicule."

#39 Gordon,

Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in

Sure you are.

After 1000+ previous posts, it's back to reality:

Father of five slain by terrorists in shooting attack

Ro'i Arbel, 29, the father of five, was murdered and one Israeli wounded when terrorists shot at their vehicle as it traveled near Talmon in Samaria on Tuesday night. Security officials said that Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades was responsible for the shooting.

#39 Gordon

Gord-o! Good to see you've dropped in. In all sincerity, I think of you as LGF's semi-official 'thinking troll' Your posts (even when I disagree, which is 99% of the time) are always well written and offered in good faith.

#31 Shiplord Kirel. You just don't get Evolutions Eve at all. I didn't either until starting seriously on the baby seal flushing. Woah, you get so warm and gooey feeling inside once it starts flippering about spasmodically against the cistern. It's a spiritual thing.

To be honest, I was a little put off by all the pancake jokes and other invective directed toward the late St. Rachel.
Seeing how it wounds the evil, self-righteous, hypocritical morlocks, murder-accomplices, and bus-bomb apologists has produced a change of heart, however.

What's Arafat's favorite vegetable?
Tom Hurndall, naturally.
Pancakes and veggies, these people need professional help in the kitchen.

Right Wing Conspirator -

You are definitely way too good at what you do! Your little "trip to the other side" will come back to haunt you. :o)

#29 Dar ul Harb

Thanks for the congrats.

#34 Spiny Norman

Thanks. I think I have checked out some of his stuff before. Going to go through the archives, just Googled it and he looks pretty good. No Latuff mind you, but pretty. Blech, can't believe I even kidded about that POS.

I hereby solemnly swear to always campaign and vote for any idiotarian who becomes extinct during the qualifying time for the IOTY if the extinction is aided by the idiotarianism.

Michael Moore - now you know what to do to get my vote!

Ok, the single mom hits the tip jar.... come on, you planarians!!

47 Shiplord Kirel

Didn't you hear?

Tom wanted to congratulate Rachel personally.

No more veggies.

(#39) Gordon

The historical parallel that comes to mind

I think I should have stopped reading right there, because, if I'm not mistaken, you just compared (an already dead, by her own actions) Ms. Corrie to calling for the assassination of a sitting President.

You know what? It does sound just as ridiculous the second time around.

As happy as I am about Corrie's selection as Idiotarian of the Year -- it's truly appropriate -- I believe that #39 Gordon is right about some of the posters so far and the Cox and Forkum cartoon. The latter, in terms of tastelessness, is worthy of Le Monde.

#41 Paul of Arabia

The comments you refer to (and I've posted several of my own) I think are done more out of a sense of frustration with the way Rachel was cannonized by the LLL.

jaffar-I wouldn't go so far as to say that Gordon always posts in good faith, he'll often outright wildly slander people (zulubaby and Robert Spencer immediately come to mind) but I'll agree that he's the closest thing to a lucid, reasonable troll that we have got.
He'll spend two or three months being reasonable, then go all psychotroll for a couple of weeks and spoil it all. It's rather frustrating! But regardless, he's been steadily improving, as far as I can tell.

To me, the dead giveaway was that s/he was able to avoid expressing any direct malice whatsoever, even after multiple fiskings.

An actual "non-judgemental child of Mother Earth moderate pacifist" would have been screaming something along the lines of "let there be peace, and let it begin over your dead fascist corpses" after about the third fisking.

#31 Shiplord Kirel

You seem like a being that will honestly look inside himself/herself and bring out your true nature. Do not be swayed by the hateful invective of the other lost souls here. Follow your heart, and you shall grow into a more civilized species of personkind.

56 evariste

The quality of the water supply over at Indymedia waxes and wanes. Regardless, it is nice to have a reasonably intelligent person representing the opposition...

#48 Frank IBC

I. Don't. Understand???

What are you implying?

But Gordon, unlike McKinley at the time, she's already dead.

So your analogy is inapposite.

Right back atcha with the monkey wrench!

The historical parallel that comes to mind is William Randolph Hearst's newspapers obliquely calling for the assassination of President William McKinley in 1901, so violently in opposition they were to his Philippines policies. Soon afterwards, he was assassinated, and the Hearst press was rightfully condemned and disgraced.

That's not ananlogous, Gordie. It isn't as though everybody here is calling for the death of St. Corrie of the Catepillar. She died as a result of her own actions, not "yellow journalism".....

Tom Hurdalls mother is a vile jew hating liar.

British peace activist shot by Israeli soldier dies

Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Wednesday January 14, 2004
The Guardian

"We hope that prosecution of the soldier involved in the shooting of Tom will send a message to all soldiers in the occupied territories that they cannot commit breaches of human rights whether these be killing, maiming, humiliation, the destruction of homes or the collective punishment of whole communities," Mrs Hurndall said.

"But I am extremely sceptical at the way the Israeli army has chosen to highlight certain facts about this particular soldier - that he had previously been arrested for smoking cannabis and is an Arab.

"This is a complete irrelevance and a deflection from the culture of impunity that is encouraged right along the chain of command right to the very top."

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

But she was the one who said:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

The Israeli army shot my son, and the toll continues to rise

Jocelyn Hurndall
Saturday January 10, 2004
The Guardian
This week we learned that the Israeli soldier who has been arrested for the shooting is alleged to have smoked cannabis with his battalion. As last year was drawing to a close, a phone call from the British Foreign Office informed me that, under interrogation, this soldier has confessed to shooting my son, knowing he was an unarmed civilian. He claimed that the shot was meant as a "deterrent". From what? From rescuing children? Had he been so conditioned that an act of humanity could only inspire in him such a violent reaction?

next mike, don't feel bad, i think you're an idiot!

Personkind!
*falls out of chair laughing

What 'e said!

The illustration confirms a feeling I had when I first read about Corrie's award -- much as it may have been richly deserved in life, in future it might be simple good taste not to give this award posthumously.

Jaffar (#45)

Your posts (even when I disagree, which is 99% of the time) are always well written and offered in good faith.

You have got to be kidding me.

58 Evolutions Eve

I think the use of the word 'personkind' is inexcusably speciesist. In order to accord all with proper respect, please use the term 'livingthingkind' going forward.

Thank you.

soy_yanqui -

She died as a result of her own actions, not "yellow journalism"

Actually, it could be argued that media propaganda indirectly led to her demise. That's what you meant, wasn't it, Gordon?

Hey, I know it is frustrating when you read all the stupid eulogies of the "great fighter for peace" and all the "martyrdom" nonsense, but this needs to be countered with cold, hard facts, not emotional mockery. I have seen the photos of her after she was hit - her face was a weird shape and their was blood running from her mouth. She was an idiot, yes, but she was not Uday Hussein or Yassar Arafat. The photos of a dying Rachel Corrie were not really funny at all. Just sad and pathetic.

68 zulubaby

evariste corrected me on that note. He does toss some invective from time to time. But I don't think the dear child is a totally lost cause.

Theocraphobe

She was enabling terrorism, but she was conditioned to be willfully blind to the reality of what she was supporting.

I think she knew exactly what she was doing: not just enabling, but actively spreading, promoting and encouraging blind hatred.

piglet (#63)

Tom Hurdalls mother is a vile jew hating liar.

No surprise there seeing as though she allowed her son to go to Israel in order to protect Palestinian mass-murderers.

Paul in Saudi

this needs to be countered with cold, hard facts, not emotional mockery

Agreed, though that approach can often be as useful as repeatedly slamming one's head into the wall...

#39

Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in all the self-congratulation, but no one dead, even Rachel Corrie, deserves the glee shown by Cox & Forkum and posters to this thread over her death.

Yeah right.

Let's not forget what Corrie was doing. She was on the side of a regime engaged in blatant human sacrifce and mass murder. This even surpasses the nazis in human depravity, who were after all only mass murderers.

Even the nazis did not eat their own children as do the palestinians.

Nowhere in history do you find such depravity, from the virgin gutting Aztecs to the mass murdering nazis, as the palestinians.

And Corrie was their girl, lock, stock, and flag burning barrel.

She deserves post mortem humiliation. And so does her parents, and the leftist culture that appologizes for her.

Oh brother (rolls eyes). Take a look once again at the photos of that shrieking harpie burning the american flag and then come back and tell everyone here that some posters are being "insensitive". I'm sorry but given her actions, I don't believe she deserves any sympathy.

Jaffar (#72)

You're wrong, he's a dhimmi and an attention seeking idiot.

He does toss some invective from time to time.

Um, have you been following his posts because some invective is the understatement of the year.

Oh, Troll Boy's here to defend Rachel Corrie who defended Palestinian terrorists. Massive surprise.

#71

Again, I agree that metaphorically stomping up and down on this girl's corpse is unsavory, but you bring up what for me has been the crux of the Corrie silliness throughout: the pictures. A first-week student of forensic pathology will tell you that her external injuries could not have resulted from being run over by a 50+ ton armored, treaded machine.

That doesn't rule out her being purposely run at with the blade of the bulldozer, but there is no evidence this occured, and it has been sad to watch people so totally disregard due process and the facts in evaluating the incident. For Palestinian partisans, it was simply a race to mythologize.

Hey! I'm not in Saudi anymore!!

Agreed, facts take time to penetrate the skulls of college students, especially when they are following the "fashionable" cause of the moment. When I was a student it was Nuclear Disarmament, now it's "wear a black and white checked kaffiyah and be anti-Semetic for Palestine", but it's still worth the effort.

Offline, I think Gordon is one of Howard Dean's speechwriters...

I really loved that "Soviet Union" line, man. You've given him some great non-sequiturs.

Well, a little clarification is in order:

First, in thinking about it, the death of certain individuals should bring about great joy and dark humor. Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Yasser Arafat; there are lots of monsters out there who deserve the Cox & Forkum touch as shown in their cartoon.

But a poor, pathetic, duped, foolish girl with a martyrdom complex like Rachel Corrie doesn't deserve this kind of treatment. It's in bad taste, and I'm glad there are some other posters out there who appear to agree with me.

Second, my analogy, as SoCalJustice and others have pointed out, is not actually anywhere close to an analogy. I guess my point is that, in response to those who say this shows that Cox & Forkum should be in mainstream newspapers, it in fact shows that they exceed the bounds of taste and decency, just as William Randolph Hearst did in 1901. I admit, upon reflection, it is quite a stretch.

Good night everyone.

Frank IBC

must...resist...the...dark...path

Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in all the self-congratulation, but no one dead, even Rachel Corrie, deserves the glee shown by Cox & Forkum and posters to this thread over her death.

I will celebrate the death of every terrorist, and every terrorist enabler, without remorse.

Rachel was a terrorist enabler. She is dead. The world is a better place.

I have chosen my side, and will make no apologies about it.
 

Actually, it could be argued that media propaganda indirectly led to her demise.

And then lionized her ex-post-squishy-facto. The whole time she was probably thinking "Wow! This will be really cool when I get back to Evergereen and tell all my ISM friends about....CRUNCH

I know it's little too late, but would Sgt. Assan Akbar- the fragging traitor of the 101st Airborne division- have been eligible for a nomination? Or is this something that's only awarded to the useful Idiots?

"Even the nazis did not eat their own children as do the palestinians."

Are you being metaphorical? Do you realize you just blood-libelled Palestinians?

Theocraphobe-excellent nick btw-I sympathize a lot with your POV. I'm kind of uncomfortable with the award going just to Rach, and the main way I can justify it is to realize that it's not just Rachel Corrie that's to blame (and therefore deserving of the award)-it's her idiotarian parents, it's ISM, it's Adam Shapiro, it's Yasser Arafat-all those people "won" today, even if it isn't explicitly stated as such. It's an indictment of anyone that tried to pump Rach up as a hero and propagate the myth of her sainthood. When I take it that way, I can accept it, but I can't just accept condemning a person outright that, as far as I know, might have been honestly ignorant and stupid. After all, I can imagine several of my friends doing similar things to her, thinking they're being real moral exemplars when they're just the puppets of manipulative antisemite killers and their tools. The main thing it really tells me, when I imagine that and can't find it implausible, is that our education system is really fucked, and there are too many tranzis in positions of authority these days.

One other clarification: I think she still deserves her award, even if it is posthumous.

#69 Jaffar

I think the use of the word 'personkind' is inexcusably speciesist. In order to accord all with proper respect, please use the term 'livingthingkind' going forward.

I think that's the funniest thing I've read in a long while.

OT: For Evariste

Regarding that pepper:

"As soon as the word gets out, local chile heads will be clamoring for the world's newest, hottest chile. In August 2000, biologists in India reported the discovery of a new chile cultivar being grown (apparently for quite some time, however) in the hills east of the central Assamese town of Tezpur, close to the Indian-Burmese border. Dubbed Capsicum frutescens cv. nagahari by pepper experts, the chile is commonly known as "Tezpur chile," "Naga jolokia," or just "Indian PC-1."

The Indian PC-1 designation was applied by Indian military researchers who were looking for the hottest chile extracts to be used for pepper sprays and powders in riot and crowd control. Previously, the Red Savina habanero held the title, testing out at 560,000 Scoville units, or 3.7% capsaicin, but the new King Tezpur peaks at a blistering 855,000 Scoville units, or a whopping 5.7% capsaicin."

I saw mention of this in a few places.

Gordon

But a poor, pathetic, duped, foolish girl with a martyrdom complex like Rachel Corrie doesn't deserve this kind of treatment. It's in bad taste, and I'm glad there are some other posters out there who appear to agree with me.

Bad taste, perhaps. But being young and stupid can be a semi-workable excuse for some kinds of minor bad behavior (cutting class, nose rings, etc) but what Corrie did is simply not on the same level.

That she was pathetic, duped, foolish (she was 23 or 24, not sure how that qualifies as 'girl' in most societies that means 'adult') is indisputable, but it in no way mitigates the awfulness of her actions.

90 Tom the lurker

The stunning upset victory of Miss Corrie has put me in a jolly mood.

;-)

#83, Thin gordon, thin.

John-Paul Pagano-as a Palestinian I can assure you that that is no blood-libel. My people have been systematically feeding their egos upon the funeral pyres of their dismembered children, and fending off their existential angst, and challenging their Allah to prove his potency, and placating bloodthirsty communist guerillas and manipulative imams, and earning paydays from the blood of their children, and actuating several other motives, for over fifty years, but most egregiously and obviously since the first Intifada in 1989. I don't think anyone is qualified to claim that they are innocent of that at all, not now or ever. My people are collectively and individually guilty of terribly evil deeds and if there is a deity that judges individuals in a Doomsday scenario, we will fare very poorly before Him.

#89 Gordo?

Look at it this way, by trashing RC and all she did, perhaps we will prevent the next misguided idiot from following her same path.

So leave us alone Gordo!
We are saving lives DAMNIT!

Do you realize you just blood-libelled Palestinians?

They sure as hell can dish it out- one would think that they could take it.....

#12 - Zulubaby - or, with Arafat and his leadership.

97 soy_yanqui

They sure as hell can dish it out- one would think that they could take it.....

Muslims can't take criticism of any kind. Its against the teaching of Islam.

John-Paul Pagano-wow. Just w.o.w.

Good night my fellow inhabitants of this magical estate of which we call earth. I pray that the seeds of thought that I have planted today will sprout like the mighty oak and spread its love as the oak spreads its shade upon all who seek shelter.

My #100 refers to John-Paul Pagano's #91 about King Tezpurs.

Evolutions Eve: *makes fart sounds with armpit

#95 evariste

Great post.

Eve, you talk purtier than a $5 Kansas City whore.....

Athos (#98)

I wouldn't be surprised if ISM is funded by Arafat and his thugs.

Rachel Corrie and Tom Hurndall didn't get that way on their own, they are products of their parents. I don't expect them to hold ISM or Arafat responsible, I just wish they would.

101 Evolutions Eve

Good night my fellow inhabitants of this magical estate of which we call earth.

Use of the word 'estate' invokes painful images of colonialism, plantation slavery, and exploitation of the indiginous livingthingkinds of the world. Please be more careful going forward.

Thank you.

Muslims can't take criticism of any kind. Its against the teaching of Islam

But as Arafat is so fond of reminding us, there are Palestinian Christians too. Incidentally- are these the Palistinieans we see summarily executed and strung up in public with no trial for "collaboration"?

How can anyone not think that Kofi was the more worthy recipient of this award!

Annan pleads to end bigotry against Muslims and Jews

G-d I can't stand him. As if he gives a shit about the Jews.

Ahhh, Dialectizer, what would I do with out you?

Eve, here you go, channeled thru the Swedish Chef:

Guud neeght my felloo inhebeetunts ooff thees megeecel istete-a ooff vheech ve-a cell iert. I prey thet zee seeds ooff thuooght thet I hefe-a plunted tudey veell spruoot leeke-a zee meeghty ooek und spreed its lufe-a es zee ooek spreeds its shede-a upun ell vhu seek shelter. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!

zulubaby

I wouldn't be surprised if ISM is funded by Arafat and his thugs.

Considering how effective a propaganda tool it is, it's money well spent from Arafish's perspective.

#95, Evariste:

I agree with everything you said, but I think you underestimate the danger of throwing that metaphor around. Few people are as thoughtful as you appear to be. Blood-libel imagery is as dehumanizing, and therefore powerful, as it gets. Blood-libel imagery, applied to a people gripped in part by a culture of savagery that eclipses the humanity of the whole, is a dirty bomb waiting to explode.

Surely the Palestinian death cult can be denounced without recourse to its rhetorical methods.

How many people are still in the running in the Arafat Death Pool? And did I ever predict a date? I can't remember!

#106 Zulubaby - no, that wouldn't surprise me either.

If Arafat and the PA propaganda / media war wasn't underway, I would guess that ISM, and the parents of those tools, would be taking more stands against the nations that support and stand for freedom.

I guess that it starts with the parents - that elitist, holier than thou, aren't we special wonderful enlightened people, and shouldn't we be running the world in our image.....and screw the other 99.987% of the people. because we are entitled!

Note in the above percentage - measured by body mass, Michael Moore accounts for .1%.

#97,

I understand -- and viscerally lament -- your point, but I would argue that neither side should have to endure the blood-libel.

Jaffar (#111)

Arafat can't make payroll for his 125,000 employees so ISM may have to find alternate funding ...

#109 - zulubaby
From your article:

two of the world's most dangerous hatreds: Islamophobia and anti-Semitism.

As far as I can work out, anti-Semitism is hatred of Jews while Islamophobia is fear of Muslims. I wouldn't count the latter as a hatred and, looking at history, would say Islamophobia is a healthy survival system.

That Fiskie is perfect. Empty head and megaphone mouth... they got it just right.

Saudi slaughters Jewish friend in Texas.
First he became a fanatic at a mosque. Then he lured his former frient, who was still under the impression they are friends, and nearly cut his head off with a knife. Killing Jews seems to be a requirement to really devout Muslims, or is it just me? Then again it is written as a commandment to the pious in the koran.
Then, most naturally, he escaped to a mosque, maybe also to report "mission accomplished"
Then, and it is not shown in the piece (found it in Ynet), he planned to escape to Saudi Arabia.
He did this in Texas, and isn't going to fry. He may even beat a life sentence.

Moslems are commanded by the koran to take no Jews as friends. Seems common sense should command the Jews in the opposite direction.
We are under such a barrage of violence that I've almost become inured to it, but once in a while something still manages to pierce this armor and get me freaking mad.

pray that the seeds of thought that I have planted today will sprout like the mighty oak and spread its love as the oak spreads its shade upon all who seek shelter

What kind of love are you referring to? Is this the love & understainding between a man and his CZ-75 9mm? Or the love one has for a plateful of steak with baked potatoes as a side-dish? Or are we referring to the now-legal-in-Vermont kind of love?

116 zulubaby

125,000. There are something like 5.5 million Palistinians. And where are the Palistinian teachers, doctors, universities, water and power plants? With all the $$ he gets from foreign donors, much of the deprivation the Palis go through could be mitigated. But I guess it's hard to do that when the bulk of it goes to your Swiss bank account.

Paul of Arabia (#117)

It's all bullshit, Kofi Annan could care less about the Jews and anti-Semitism. I wonder, and not for the first time, if he is a Muslim.

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2. To destroy, ravage, or use up by or as if by ingesting: “Covering news in the field eats money” (George F. Will).
3. To erode or corrode: waves that ate away the beach; an acid that eats the surface of a machine part.
4. To produce by or as if by eating: Moths ate holes in our sweaters.
5. Slang. To absorb the cost or expense of: “You can eat your loss and switch the remaining money to other investment portfolios” (Marlys Harris).
6. Informal. To bother or annoy: What's eating him?
7. Vulgar slang. To perform oral sex on.

Definition number two, to destroy, to ravage. The palestinians are eating their children.

Systematic human sacrifice is destroying, is ravaging, is eating.

They are 'using up' their children as bombs.

For mass murder.

(On another thread a link from Mardukhai took me to Stephen Pollard's website, where he has drawn attention to) the forthcoming resignation of nasty piece of work Tam Dalyell

Well, I kind of agree with you, John-Paul, until I think on it for a moment and realize that you're saying that we shouldn't underestimate the danger of throwing the metaphor of Nazis around when discussing Palestinians.
Nazis are a historically unique entity: No one has ever been as evil as blatantly bloodthirstily genocidally as they.
But I find that I must weigh it against the following fact before I judge the people that compare my tribe to the Aryan supremacists: that I know that my tribe would do, not worse-there is no such degree of evil; but just as malevolently,/b> and just as much evil as the Nazis, given the resources and the capability. That makes me hesitate to condemn anyone that points that fact out. However hopeful a true humanitarian might be for the rehabilitation of my criminal volk, it is difficult for me to say that it's overkill to compare them to the Nazis. Maybe I lack some capability of discerning moral nuance, but I don't see how different what we're doing is from what the Nazis did, except that we lack the means to take it as far as they did.
It's disturbing to assign an entire people such a moral guilt, but absolving them of the responsibility will only encourage future recidivism. I think that only a true complete accounting and reckoning of our sins against humanity will allow the mass of morally serious people in the world to begin to consider the possibility of our rehabilitation. In the meantime, we are deservedly pariahs, and any treatment we receive that reflects a nicer perception is an undeserved bonus for which we should be grateful. The slavishness of a people that can't revolt against its basest elements' destructive impulsive bloodthirst is shameful and near inexcusable.

Jaffar (#121)

I was thinking that it's all those terrorists on his payroll.

But I guess it's hard to do that when the bulk of it goes to your Swiss bank account.

The Palestinians are treated like dirt, still living as refugees four generations deep, and Arafat's art is fooling everyone into thinking that it's Israel's doing. He is pure evil, a violent criminal, a thief. I wish he would just die already!

Sorry I fucked up closing the bold tag, friends, I'm a little fubar.
John-Paul, in short-I've not been blood-libelled when it's not a libel, does that make sense?

zb

I wish he would just die already!

I wish we would assist him in this endeavour...

#113 evariste,

How many people are still in the running in the Arafat Death Pool?

I may be. I never actually picked a date, but predicted that he would suffer the Arafat version of the Ten Plagues (btw is he a first born?).

And of course don't forget.

That all the killing, all the sacrifice, is but nothing more than a technique so that Arafat can remain the 'leader'.

This is his subterfuge, his plan, his doing.

And all for what?

Human sacrifice is nothing but a tyrants trick,
it always has been.

Whether it was the solemn Aztec, to save the universe, or the clever palestinian to kill the evil Jew. It's all a trick of the clever tyrant.

It's disgusting. And it is a subcomponent of religion.

If its too late to pick a date, can we still pick a method? My bet is a coup, one of his Lts puts one in the back of his head, then says the Israelis did it.

PDM (#129)

No, he had an older sister.

I think he's an only child, PDM. Don't quote me.

zb - It's possible, 16% of Ghana's population is Muslim.

Given the fact that this tool is married to Raoul Wallenberg's neice - Wallenberg must be spinning in his grave.

#113 evariste

How many people are still in the running in the Arafat Death Pool? And did I ever predict a date? I can't remember!

I can't remember if I did either.

But I did pick the Fish for the John & Ken Show Dead Pool.

evariste (#134)

Arafat's sister dies

#133 zulubaby,

Ah right. She died recently.
Next in line will do. It's just the Arafat version of the Ten Plagues so I don't see why historical accuracy should get in the way.

#127, evariste:

Yes, you are making sense, and made many objectively good points, but I must respond that you are responding to an argument I didn't make. I am not objecting to drawing parallels between 1930s German and present-day Palestinian culture. On the contrary, I encourage that practice, as I believe it is both correct and necessary to do so. I am objecting merely to the invocation of blood-libel imagery, especially when discussing a heated issue like this.

We can and must denounce the Palestinian death cult. We can and must recognize the awful truth of that culture's consumption of youth. I don't think the poster who started this was doing those things. I think he was making a scurrilous attack, and in that pursuit deploying an image used to awesome effect against Jews for centuries. And it is the threat posed by Islamofascism to the Jews that has galvanized so many of us opposed to that revolting ideology.

PDM (#138)

LOL! Just make it up, Arafat-style.

Thanks, zulubaby. He's still a firstborn son though!

evariste, this is true.

For troll clues Charles' referrer log suggests a few closed user groups are talking about this. Hopefully they'll stick around and be educated. Anyway, Mazel Tov Rachel. Relish your award and God have mercy on you.

Jean-Paul-from b's post that you were initially responding to:

Even the nazis did not eat their own children as do the palestinians. Nowhere in history do you find such depravity, from the virgin gutting Aztecs to the mass murdering nazis, as the palestinians. And Corrie was their girl, lock, stock, and flag burning barrel. She deserves post mortem humiliation. And so does her parents, and the leftist culture that appologizes for her.

Which made me think you were responding to the Nazi comparison. I'm sorry if I misunderstood, as you seem to be saying. So what were you objecting to? What exactly is the blood libel here?

#130, Rayra

Thank you. And your point about the Hitler Youth, which demonstrates the fatuousness of the defense of the metaphor applied to Palestinians, is well-taken.

Although honestly I pretty much find the Aztecs about as appalling as my own people are, if that's what you were referring to.

OT:

Great thread on French collaboration with the Nazis, which is an issue that will be raised in the new Norman Jewison/Michael Caine film, "The Statement." During the period of Communist terrorism in Central America - which I saw first hand - Jewison was a major idiotarian, and a hater of President Reagan. Maybe he has done a Hitchenswitch:

[Link: www.fuckfrance.com...]

Camel Prophet-much as I dislike some of your behavior here, I'm not gonna deny-hitchenswitch made me bust out laughing :-)

Camel Prophet (#148)

During the period of Communist terrorism in Central America - which I saw first hand

I'm intrigued.

What about the IDF Army, Commandos and Airforce elites who have refused service in the same system that crushed Rachel Corrie? Aren’t they idiots to refuse the cause of stopping the Palestinians, much less the demonstrators like her? Or is the Fisking award just for low level idiots and not applicable to idiots or worse the more serious issue of traitors? They’re protesting against the same thing Rachel Corrie was, but they didn’t have to stand in front of a bulldozer to protest, they just didn’t show up for work and by that they are supporting Palestinian evil. What a funny cartoon that would be. Maybe the IDF should bulldoze over those IDF personnel who refuse to serve and then we can all have a good laugh at their intelligence when they are cold blooded killed too. One young American citizen girl isn’t enough death for us to dance on and mock for her idiocy, lets just kill all those who protest, especially those active protestors within the Israeli system. If they are not defending Palestinian evil then what is their purpose for not serving?

Me too, do spill it CP!

If you can stand it, just ignore "young veteran".

#145, evariste

My point was about this sentence:

"Even the nazis did not eat their own children as do the palestinians."

It is both metaphorically unsound, as the Nazis most certainly "ate" German children by the standards of b's analogy, and a clear invocation of the blood libel to denigrate Palestinians.

So, no, I was not responding to his merely bringing up the Nazis. That's fine, for reasons explained before. If there is a Nazi "comparison" I am reacting to, it is the familiar deployment against the Palestinians of a Nazi charge against the Jews.

re my #144,

If anyone likes hanging with trolls they're having a ball about Corrie at dailykos.com.

#151 Young Veteran

What about the IDF Army, Commandos and Airforce elites who have refused service in the same system that crushed Rachel Corrie? Aren’t they idiots to refuse the cause of stopping the Palestinians, much less the demonstrators like her?

Good point, I say nominate them for consideration next year.

As for the rest of your comments, been a troll long?

That's where it is, John-Paul-I don't disagree with that characterization of Palestinian behavior. It strikes me more as "truth" than as "libel".

Gordon may be right. This time. She was stupid, selfish, a sucker -- a fool. Her life was as tragic as her death, (her life was her death), but it is people like M. Moore, her parents, and her Evergreen u. prof. who truly deserve this award ... they create the Rachel Cs of this world. They are the scum of the earth's best friends. They serve evil.

They killed her.

bite me, spammer!

Charles, deletion is in order. Or redirection of the link, say to Internet Haganah?

#154

The nazis did not encourage self-anilhilation.

The palestinians have constructed a community, a culture that encourages and inculcates planned, honored, revered, self-anihilation.

For the purpose of mass murder.

They're naming soccer parks, streets, and squares after self-anihilators.

The nazis were 'only' mass murderers. And they were not proud of this, they concealed it to a certain extent.

Human sacrifice plus mass murder is Arafat's innovation. And indictment.

#144, 155 Dom,

For troll clues Charles' referrer log suggests a few closed user groups are talking about this.

If anyone likes hanging with trolls they're having a ball about Corrie at dailykos.com.

I was checking them out earlier (tacticus as well): by and large, insufferably pedantic, equivocating moral-relativist twats. Oh my, aren't they just so superior?

All of them desperately in need of reading evariste's post in #95.

#155 Dom

Wow. What a pissy bunch.

#157, evariste

Fair enough. But if George Soros were caught embezzling, would you feel comfortable calling him a money-grubbing Jew? Certainly the statement would be factual.

Oh!

you sicken me

#155,

Wow. I just went there and read the entire thread. These folks (daily kos) actually think themselves intelligent... and aren't they oh so smug.

Just a bunch of deductive hysterics...

Not worth the time.

Well, basically-it's true to refer to a majority of Palestinians as "child-eaters", because large majorities of them regularly express support when polled for their childrens' deaths in the pursuit of a judenrein Israel. Whereas most Jews would feel uncomfortable being called "money-grubbing Jews", most Palestinians would be proud of being called "Jew-killers". But I agree with your point, it isn't necessary to call a group of people what they are when there's hope of change. When there's hope of change.
But I'd also feel uncomfortable with a characterization of a people that blindly excluded people like me and reaganite's boss from consideration-that's not fair at all. There are good people that are Palestinians, and merely being a Pali doesn't exclude one from the duties of moral rectitude. So I agree in a large sense; I just can't grant a blanket exemption from accountability for the hate incited by my people. We did it, we own it, we're responsible for its disposition.

#155 Dom

aw, such poetry on that site:

The Right embraces a culture of death. You could even call it a deathstyle.

so sublime.

beat the everloving shit out of them. that's my first reaction. then i calm down and merely cuss a blue streak

such visceral realism.

repugly wall street fishwrapper fumbles little lime green goofballs. barfy barfy foop foop. Erm, not so unbelievable really.

I think barfy barfy foop foop say it all really, who can top that.

my campus is 90% hardcore republican. it's sick.

Restores my faith in colleges.

if this elizabeth crowley was here right now, i'd fucking beat her to death.

But tell us how you really feel.

The actual term ... is short for Web log. And, you know, you drop the W and you get the blog.

actually, that would get you Eblog.

#164 Ms. Andi,

Ain't they just. I'll get to work.

barfy barfy foop foop!
ROFLMFAO

#170 Kragar

great picks

if this elizabeth crowley was here right now, i'd fucking beat her to death.

Yet we're the ones who "embrace a culture of death."

geezz

Well, good night LFG. I probably won't talk to any of you for a damn long while, it was good to talk to you, :-)
Later!

So. The Former Miss Corrie get's a Darwin Award. Good riddance.

OT

NSA Confirms Israel Liberty Attack Was Accident

Shit.

Several Hurt in Gaza Crossing Suicide Bomb

#174 evariste

Good night. Don't stay away too long.

#177

More info

Female bomber kills 4 Israelis at Gaza entrance

Female bomber kills 4 Israelis at Gaza entrance

A female suicide bomber blew herself up early Wednesday at one of the entrances to Gaza Strip's main Erez crossing terminal to Israel, killing four Israelis and injuring 10, one of them critically.

The sharp explosion ripped through a building at the terminal entrance to the Gaza Strip Wednesday.

A senior Fatah official said the object of the bombing was to prompt Israel to declare a closure over the Gaza Strip and cut off access to jobs within Israel, measures that act to boost grass-roots Palestinian support for Hamas and other militant movements.

Ro'i Arbel 29, killed in a Tuesday terror ambush claimed by the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, is to be laid to rest Wednesday afternoon in the West Bank settlement of Dolev, near his home in Talmon.

Arbel was a father of five, including triplets born three months ago.

Three other Israelis were wounded in the Tuesday evening attack on the car in which they were travelling. The shooting occurred close to Talmon, west of Ramallah.

They're animals!

#182 zulubaby

A senior Fatah official said the object of the bombing was to prompt Israel to declare a closure over the Gaza Strip and cut off access to jobs within Israel, measures that act to boost grass-roots Palestinian support for Hamas and other militant movements.

Yeah, we'll f**k over our own people, just to get them riled up and more willing to kill the Israelis.

/filthy Palistinian mode off

Not that thats anything new.

Kragar, they are demonic, they don't even resemble humans. I want to be sick.

#177 Zulubaby

That's terrible. Sounds like they need to close that check point now. Amazing that the Palis have found a way to bring equality for women, female suicide bombers.

The Gaza Strip is surrounded by an Israeli security barrier, and none of the suicide bombers responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people inside Israel in the past three years of violence have come from there.

I can't believe they mentioned a benefit from the security fence.

Wall the place off for real. Say ten foot thick reinforced Ferro-concrete with rebar bracing about 50 ft tall with concertina and razor wire and watch towers about every ten meters. Then let the seething really begin.

OT Another suicide bomber, this at the Erez checkpoint, killing four and injuring ten. In addition to a shooting last night which killed a father of five.

Apologies.

Ms. Andi (#184)

Leave it to the Palestinians to utterly destroy everything.

The terminal, where thousands of Palestinian workers go out to work within the Jewish state during the day, was one of the last remaining expressions of official cooperation between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

Now this checkpoint will be closed and it will be Israel that is made out to be the bad guy!

Amazing that the Palis have found a way to bring equality for women, female suicide bombers.

Exactly. They're soulless.

And so it continues.

Below is a list of terrorist attacks that have occurred at Gaza Strip crossing points:

14/9/01: 5 grenades are hurled at IDF forces at the Erez Crossing, wounding two Israeli Border Police officers.

12/4/02: Light weapons fire is directed and grenades are hurled at the Erez Crossing, killing one Israeli Border Police officer, and wounding 4 Israeli civilians.

21/6/02: A terrorist infiltrates the Erez Crossing and hurls grenades. IDF forces return fire, killing the terrorist. Two Palestinian workers are killed.

11/11/02: A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blows himself up on the way to carry out an attack against IDF forces at the Erez Crossing.

2/12/02: An armed terrorist is killed after opening firing and hurling grenades in the area of Erez Industrial Zone.

8/6/03: Three terrorists infiltrate the IDF position known as "Shield 12," near the Erez Crossing. The terrorists open fire and hurl grenades, killing four IDF soldiers. Four additional IDF soldiers are wounded.

It's Catch 22 - Seal off the area and cause more seething or keep the crossings open and risk more attacks.

#185 Jewels

Wall the place off for real. Say ten foot thick reinforced Ferro-concrete with rebar bracing about 50 ft tall with concertina and razor wire and watch towers about every ten meters. Then let the seething really begin.

declare a 1000m nomand land from the base of the wall out. Anything moves in there is an open target. I suggest mine and sound and vibration detectors to monitor for tunneling. There will be no gates. Israelis can use helicopters and the animals don't need to come thru.

#189 Paul of Arabia

It's Catch 22 - Seal off the area and cause more seething or keep the crossings open and risk more attacks.

Catch 22 implies trying to pick between 2 equally damning choices. No real choice here, f**k the animals and seal the border.

Just heard that Corrie's fellow 'peace activist' Tom Hurndall, has died. First Harold Shipman and now him - a mass murderer and a supporter and enabler of mass murder in the same 24 hours.

In their news programme here the BBC initially gave greater prominence to Hurndall's death than to the Israeli deaths which, the Beeb told us, were caused by 'a suspected suicide bomber'. Is that because the Israelis only 'claimed', 'alleged', 'said' it was?

Paul of Arabia (#189)

Where did you get that info from because I can think of at least one attack that's missing from that list and that is the murder of the three Americans last year, although I'm not sure that was at a crossing point.

We need more of this.

Zb #188

Now this checkpoint will be closed and it will be Israel that is made out to be the bad guy!

Indeed. They will celebrate her death and deed, call her a martyr then concoct up a "Mossad" conspiracy; and it will make sense to them.

whats the history behind fisk=idiot? just wondering

zulubaby #192
The information comes fromthis page on the IDF Website, dated June 20, 2003

#194 Ms. Andi

Read #182

Fatah said they planned the bombing, but that won't stop them from planting their conspiracies as well.

Paul of Arabia (#196)

I had a feeling it was. That makes sense then that that bombing isn't included because that one happened in October. The Ha'aretz article I linked to in #180 includes this now too:

On October 14 three American security guards were killed in the Gaza Strip just south of Erez, when a Palestinian set off a bomb at a passing diplomatic convoy.

#195 tt

Just do a search of LGF for Robert Fisk. The man is the grand patron saint of Idiotarians.

#197 Kragar

Oy! I didn't catch that. That's so pathetic.

The Palestinians have no need for jobs; than they have no need for electricity. Time for them to go back to the past; to a more simplier & barbaric time.

Me three!

Is there such a thing as a website where people of differing views congregate for discussion? I realise it's a strange concept but does such a thing exist? :)

It appears to me people on the "left" (hello Daily Kos) and "right" (hello lgf) can't handle hearing opposing viewpoints, or not for an extended period of time anyway. A dissenting viewpoint is quickly labelled a "troll" or a zealot without hesitation, etc...

All the self-congratulatory me-tooism is so cloying and makes for some not so enlightening reading. I want to hear both sides argued fairly and intelligently (damnit)! /end self-indulgent rant

Hamas and Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs claim joint responsibility for blast

"At this point I and my friends ran to her. She was obviously in terrible condition. Her upper lip had been split open and was bleeding. We called an ambulance immediately and continued to monitor her vital signs. She was breathing but she was losing consciousness rapidly. Within a minute she was no longer able to give us her name or speak. We continued to talk to her encouraging her, breathing with her, and telling her we loved her."

if this happened to your mom, your sister, your daughter, would you fucks feel the same way?

btw, little green football's web design sucks. get your head out of your ass and fashion some design chops and maybe you wouldn't have to appeal to the angry idiot eunuch crowd to make a cheap buck.

I have to admit I am a little torn on this thread.......yes this Lady was a terrorist supporter and she did reap what she sowed.............but I think the way we are celebrating and making fun of how she died might cross that line into territory where we shouldn't be going.....

There is at the very least, quite a bit of gray area regarding this issue.........we want to win people over to our cause.......ie.....the danger's that are inherent to Islam and the way some of it's followers believe but I am concerned by some of our actions, we will drive some away from hearing all the good stuff we post and that Charles posts.............

We need to be celebrating the deaths of various evil ideologies that guide such people as Ms. Corrie.....this is where our Pens need to be aimed....

Thanks

This makes no sense.

PMO official: Erez Crossing attack shows Palestinians have blatant regard for their own economic interests

Troll coming out in force

#204 nova silverpill

if this happened to your mom, your sister, your daughter, would you f**ks feel the same way?

I'd have been dissapointed off she was wasting her life over there in the first place, sad she was dead, and mad as hell over the sick f**king bastards who used her the way ISM and the Palistinians have been.

She was a fool who wasted her life, as is anyone else who supports Palestine.

#206 zulubaby

Where did you see that?

#204

btw, little green football's web design sucks. get your head out of your ass and fashion some design chops and maybe you wouldn't have to appeal to the angry idiot eunuch crowd to make a cheap buck.

How profound!

#202

There is plenty of discussion here. Spend a day looking through the archieves, you may be suprised.

zulubaby,

It makes sense (assuming they mean 'disregard') in the context of the Fatah official who said the idea was to get Israel to close off Gaza to reinforce Hamas support. It's a contest for support from the masses Arafat has taught to respect nothing but visciousness.

Psych! Made ya look.

It's Stormi here. Been away, working and travelling and working and travelling and working, and if that wasn't enough, I had to scoop cat litter too. Gah. But I'm back now. Somehow I got sucked into reading a bunch of old old before-my-time threads, and that umlaut thing had me rolling. I read all of that one, and a couple of others.

And just for the record, Jewish men sure turn my crank. Hubba.

If any one of you mentions Ari Fleischer, I'll... I'll... dammit, I don't know what I'll do but I know it won't be pretty!

#202 - cadillac feet

Is there such a thing as a website where people of differing views congregate for discussion? I realise it's a strange concept but does such a thing exist?

Personally, I use the Forum attached to the Webpage of my hometown newspaper's website for such discussion. LGF is mainly concerned with Israel and Islamist Extremism and is a useful source of information. However, as you have noticed, there is not much patience for opposing views here. Try finding a Forum which is not linked to one topic or political standpoint. It IS difficult to find, but worth it in the end.

What, I turn up and the joint clears out? Do I smell or something?

#211

Oh Stormi, you made me look. Well it is alittle late, many LGFers are in bed.

OT Ravi Shanka brings meditation and stress-busting exercises to Iraqis

Thanks for the advice Paul of A. The bigger sites, like this one, mefi, etc, are magnets for the wingnuts, and all the other "types" too, I guess.

#209, I certainly don't dismiss lgf and I have read some very educative threads, but the rabid "hey, let's form a dogpile" element here get on my nerves, just like they do at all the "leftie" sites as well. Really, I think that there's a lot of irritating chaff amongst the wheat here but the wheat is often of a very good (though mostly partisan) quality. :)

Really, incredibly OT: Milosevic blames the French for massacre

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Milosevic joins the Moonbat crowd with this impressive pile of gibberish

Also OT: 2nd Iranian Revolution in the offing?

[Link: www.activistchat.com...]

A Plan for the peaceful removal of the Islamic Regime of Iran will be announced during a live program broadcast on many Iranian satellite TV and Radio stations. The program starts at 10 AM PST from NITV studios in Los Angeles and will last for 6 hours, including a fundraising segment to support the plan. Other media who have confirmed the live broadcast of this program include Pars TV, Radio Sedaye Iran, Radio Yaran, Radio Sedaye Emrooz, Rangarang TV, Apadana TV, and Lahzeh TV.

Anyone have anything on this?

#204, nova silverpill
Too bad you did not join her, we could have had a package deal, aaa what a wealth of humour that sight
would have provoked. Corriepillar Caterpillared.

#218 Jewels

This has been brewing for the last few days (maybe a week). The Iranian Islamic Council (I forget the actual name, but the religous leaders who over see the government in the name of Islam) ruled that many of the politicians (mostly from the reform party), including incumbents, about to run for office were to be removed from consideration. The Iranian President (himself a reformer) promised to attempt every legal recourse to change the council's decision.

Interesting times ahead in Iran.

I planned on posting on the other Corrie thread, but seeing that Charles has shut it down, it'll have to do here.

I voted for Corrie. I'm glad she won. I don't celebrate her death. I'm not going to try any pancake jokes.
My thoughts mirror those of Dennis Prager in his article on the subject. In other words, I believe she was a seriously misguided - I could even say outright ignorant - young girl who should've known what she was getting herself into the moment she stepped foot into the hell-hole that is "occupied Palestine". Her death was a pure waste of life, and there is no-one to blame for it but Corrie herself.
As Prager says "grieve... but spare us the hagiography"; what I do despise is her canonisation by the left. Rachel Corrie, the ostensible "peace activist" and proven terror-supporter, has become the very epitome of a "useful idiot". She has been of more use to the Palestinian propaganda machine in death than she would ever have been in life. This amounts to exploitation propaganda, pure and simple.

"At least four people have been killed and 10 wounded when a suspected Palestinian female bomber struck at the main border crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip."

Hmmm, suspected? What would be your first clue?

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

"Thousands of Palestinians use the crossing in the northern Gaza Strip every day to work in Israel although the border is frequently closed when Israel imposes a security clampdown on the Palestinian territories."

Security clampdown, hmmm. I wonder why they would have to do that?

Hamas-Fatah Jointly Take Responsibility for Erez Attack

(IsraelNN.com) Hamas and Fatah, the latter under the direct authority of PLO leader Yasser Arafat, jointly claimed responsibility for this morning’s suicide bombing at the Erez Crossing in Gaza. Four Israelis were murdered in the attack.

A 21-year-old female Fatah member carried out the attack, after explaining to soldiers that she may set off the metal detector because of a metal plate in her leg. She was then sent for a body check by a female soldier at the checkpoint. She detonated her explosives as she waited at the checkpoint.

boy, oh boy. I new this topic would stir the brown water a bit. In yesterday's millinium thread on Rachizzle Corrizzle fo' shizzle (my nizzle), "ah,LGF" made a comment about christians and those who make jokes about this girl going to hell...and there was rampant weaping and gnashing of pinko teeth on the sensative subject of human tractor-tread grease. Or should I say "human dozer-food"?
I admit, the sewer-lid formerly known as Rachel Corrie was young and idealistic, which probably led to her zanycrusader type behavior. But I'm betting that at the age of 4 I would have been able to tell if I was about to get run over by a bulldozer. Because she was a twenty-something blonde American girl we're supposed to be all sad, right? No. I don't care where she was from. I don't care what she looked like. I'm one of those people who believe Jane Fonda should be executed. That's what we used to do to traitors, because that's what they deserve. This wasn't just a pretty (not in my definition, but as compared to Barbra Streisand...maybe)young, blonde American girl. She was aiding and abetting the enemy, which Palestinians happen to be classified as. In fact, if you look up "Palestinian" in Webster's it says "See-'enemy'", which, in turn, says, "don't help them and you won't get run over by a bulldozer travelling at 0.2 miles per hour."
Let me repeat this very important point for all of the thoroughly brainwashed liberals out there:
She was run over...
BY A FUCKING BULLDOZER!!!
that shit is funny. I'm sorry.
also, I know I'm going to hell, so what's to stop me from making some tasteless jokes here and there.
You liberals want tasteless?

Q: What's better than winning the Special Olympics?
A: Not being a retard.

See, now it's jokes like that that are going to send me to hell in a handbasket, whatever that archaic euphemism might mean.

#223 Kragar,

I believe it is Arafat's attempt to discredit the fence, considering that Israel has been pointing to the effectiveness of the Gaza fence. I don't know why he can't be taken out of the picture. I cannot remember the last time any other president made a case in this manner. I imagine if Saddam had claimed responsibility for any such attack the battle would have been sooner.

#225 Dom

Read #182

The bomber still didn't make it thru the fence. She blew up at the checkpoint before the IDF found the device. Fatah officials already said the bombing's purpose was to prompt a lockdown of the border, so the Palestinians would be prevented from going to work, become angry at Israel and support increased militant activity.

Reinforce and upgrade the fence to Korean DMZ levels (concrete barricades, minefields, full surveillance, presighted artillery), kill anyone who approaches it, don't have gates and let the Palis rot in their own filth.

OT

its about time.

Muslim Groups' IRS Files Sought

The Senate-led probe follows more than two years of investigations by the FBI, the Treasury Department and other federal agencies into the activities of Islamic charities suspected of having ties to al Qaeda; the Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as Hamas; and other groups designated as terrorist organizations by the U.S. government. The United States has frozen more than $136 million in assets allegedly linked to al Qaeda or other terrorist groups and has effectively shut down the operations of the largest U.S.-based Islamic charities.

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"The Muslim community would view this as another fishing expedition solely targeting Muslims in America," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in Washington. "Are they now going to start a witch hunt of all the donors of these now closed relief organizations, so that Muslims feel they're going to be targeted once more based on their charitable giving?"

Hmmm, good points Ibrahim. After careful consideration, I'll have to say who gives a flying f**k about their feelings if it can stop another terrorist bombing anywhere in the world.

BRILLIANT! The myth of St. Rachel crushed by the Fiskie!

Cox and Forkum rock!

Theocrophobe #42,

Does anyone else here just see, in Rachel Corrie, a brainwashed young woman, and not a terrorist-enabling monster?

Maybe. But holding her up as an object of riducule instead of a model of morality may dissuade another young fool from following in her footsteps. Most of these idiots get involved in organzations like ISM due to some psychological need to project a facade of morality. They are therefore easily manipulated. This Fiskie highlights the corruption of Corrie's cause and is one small crack in her moral facade.

Hmm. Sad to see its come to this. So, no more masochism for me.

#226 Kragar
Wouldn't it be cool if the fence also had robot dogs and giant laser-cannons and, like, if you tried to dig under it there would be a special venus flytrap or quicksand layer, but if you tried to pole-vault it then giant metal claws would come out and grab you in mid-air and totally slam you onto poinon-tipped spikes on top of the fence? And then, after you were stuck on the spikes, the claws would whip out this badass sword like the one the dude in Final Fantasy has and you'd get your head chopped clean off and then put in a special display case for heads of people who got caught by the giant claws while trying to pole vault the special security fence?

Actually, I'm all for the fence...you know, since it was put there to keep bomb-jockeys from getting to the good side of Israel. Only I think my design sounds way cooler than the one they have.

Also, Israel should totally hire me to mess with the Palestooges.
I'd be all "Oh, hey guys. Yeah, I'd totally love to hang out in front of your shacks and yell at bulldozers. But, like, can I meet Arafat first?"
And they'd be all, "Yeah. Sure, dude. You seem pretty cool."
And then I'd be acting totally on-the-level until they actually got me to the man himself. Then I'd be like, "Take this, you dumb bastard!" and I'd chop the shit out of his head with my secret sword and send it flying across the whole room! Then all of his bodyguards and stuff would just be standing around all confused because they didn't imagine anything like that would ever happen and then I would wipe off the blade of my sword on his head-towel and I could get to say something cool like "Guess you boys should have given him the heads-up I was comin'."

zulubaby #109,

How can anyone not think that Kofi was the more worthy recipient of this award!

I feel your pain. Really. I was rooting for Chirac and Corrie was my 2nd choice. But I've come around. There was only one opportunity to crush the myth of St. Corrie. It was too good to miss.

For Kofi, Jacques and Moore, there is always next year!

Did Rachael burn any Israeli flags?

#233 Andjam

Its in her left hand in this picture

#226 Kragar,

I saw that (#210). I consider that Arafat is the most significant factor in this equation. Whenever his generals and ministers are prepared to negotiate, we hear no more of them. This is pathetic. Meanwhile he is actively coordinating terror cells. It has always been his way, and he will not let it go. He is a huge source of inspiration to terrorists, and yet we continually read the Israelis demand he should crackdown. On himself?

You people make me sick...

...could be this site, or it could be a bad piece of trout. You should be careful with fish.

#236 Truta Laranja

I'm just curious...does your name mean "True to the oranges"?
I think I've heard of them. Isn't that a gang in San Antonio?

#83

First, in thinking about it, the death of certain individuals should bring about great joy and dark humor. Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Yasser Arafat; there are lots of monsters out there who deserve the Cox & Forkum touch as shown in their cartoon.

But a poor, pathetic, duped, foolish girl with a martyrdom complex like Rachel Corrie doesn't deserve this kind of treatment. It's in bad taste, and I'm glad there are some other posters out there who appear to agree with me.

Exactly. I made the same point on another thread. Unlike the Kofi Annans and Michael Moores of the world, Rachel Corrie has more than paid for her idiocy (and I'll be the first to admit that her behavior was idiotic). Having already exposed her earthly actions for what they were, we should have let her RIP, and given this award to someone who's still being rewarded with fame and fortune for their idiotarian views. Jimmy Carter was a great choice for this award. I can't say the same for Rachel Corrie.

#238 - Shaefa
It's Portugese for "The Amazing Trout" - I doubt there's a gang of trouts in LA, unless they're in Griffith Park's lake.

OT - 21-Year-Old mother of two Reem Raiyshi named as the suicide bomber. Both Israelis and Palestinians among the injured. I wonder if any Palestinians killed in this attack would be considered "martyrs" seeing as they were killed by one of their own.

Kragar #234
Is it just me, or are there word bubbles above all the little Palestinian kids' heads in that picture that say "What the hell is this white girl getting so worked up about?"?
I don't have white guilt, so I don't really know how this crusader thing works, but do people like her think they get points for ignoring the privilege they leave behind for a couple of weeks while they go to pat "poor, left behind, future terrorist" backs?

Let's see: we comment on the actions of a terrorist-sympathizer AND -enabler, and WE'RE the bad guys?

Rachel Corrie was a moral idiot. End of story.

She thought she'd get a free pass from the consequences of her words and actions, and she didn't.

As said before, SHE is not important to the so-called Palestinians. THEY immediately gilded her body and used her to further promote their cause of terrorism.

The tunnels Rachel was trying to protect are used to smuggle the explosives and armory used by the tools such as the "mother of two" who blew herself up and killed three other people.

So, Rachel and her ilk are the ones responsible for these attacks, she was a fool, and she deserves our contempt.

Making FUN of her is the least we could do.

Now I know where the theory comes from that the Jews are blowing up their own synagogues.

The US television show _The Agency_ will be airing this evening on Israel Channel One. The episode "Unholy Alliances" has Israeli extremists working together with the Hamas to murder the US ambassador.

We don't have enough trouble?

And I actually like that show.

Unholy Alliance

Maybe this evening I'll go out instead of watching the program.

Thanks loads CBS.

#231:

How about sharks with lasers strapped to the top of their heads?

a poor, pathetic, duped, foolish girl with a martyrdom complex like Rachel Corrie doesn't deserve this kind of treatment

Look at the picture of Rachel Corrie, her face overflowing with hate, her hands ripping apart an American flag, her muslim head cover...

Is this a picture of an innocent dupe, or of a hateful bitch? Rachel Corriie was a terrorist enabler who worked hard to have innocent Jewish civilians murdered, and who died because her better judgement was clouded with HATE.

From the CNN write-up:

The woman had just entered the Israeli side of the border when she told Israeli security officials she needed medical attention, according to the sources. While Israeli officials were checking her for weapons, she burst into tears and detonated her explosives.

Remember this little tidbit the next time someone yells that Israeli soldiers at checkpoints are unsympathetic to Palestinians who want medical attention.

Hamas Vows Escalation After Using Female Bomber

#243, #246 etc

Too right - she died a sad, unfortunate, pointless death, but it's hard to muster up too much sympathy for someone who was so obviously eaten up with hatred.

She dedicated herself to helping terrorists smuggle drugs, guns and the explosives that her 'friends' then used to incinerate women and children on buses.

Anyone who thinks she couldn't have been aware what the material being smuggled would be used for, bear in mind that when the ISM say they want to destroy Israel by 'any means necessary', all their members know exactly what's expected of them.

She wasn't even 'just following orders'. She was part of the chain of murder - because it made her feel good.

It's kind of neat that Rachel Corrie is honored the same day Tommy Hurndall assumed room temperature. Now, they can join their pals Uday, Qusay, and all the suicide bombers, playing volleyball with human skulls on the scorching sands of the sulphur beaches of Hell.

#236 And anyone else who feels sickened here, would you like to explain with your wealth of knowledge how a bright young Palestinian woman gets hold of a bomb?

ot - Egyptian political expert - assault on Egyptian minister Maher: "‘Mentally Retarded' people will not change the course of history."

Well good, I’m glad we finally got that settled.

Gaza tards to Egypt! West Bank tards to Jordan! Any tard who can‘t figure it out...try Syria!

The suicide bomber was a 21-year-old mother of two. Her mission was a joint effort of Hamas and Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade. At the Gaza checkpoint she claimed to have a plate in her leg that would set off their metal detector. Because she was a woman, she was told to wait until a woman security officer could come and examine her. It was during the wait that she self-detonated.

Don't give these people a country. Pack up every last Jew-hating, shahid-aspiring one of them and ship them off to their spiritual and financial homeland: Europe.

I want to hear both sides argued fairly and intelligently (damnit)!

Yeah, good luck with that when one side's idea of "fair and intelligent" arguments include: "Bush IS Hitler" "9-11 was a zionazi plot," "Saddam Never Had WMD (the Kurds were just suicidal bulimics)" " and "Bush IS Hitler (screamed at louder volume)"

To calm things down a bit, I'll submit the following

Political humor:

The Lizard King

and a Skunk:

Very stinky

Hope you can get to them.

OT: Maybe I wrote off that Bush landslide a little too easily. Jimmeh Cahtuh to campaign for Howard "Mad Dog" Dean.

I think Homer Simpson said it best: "The intelligent man wins his battles with pointed words. I'm sorry--I meant sticks. Pointed sticks.

OMG, I wake up in the morning to find the announcement thread is closed at over 1000 comments, and a brand new thread already has over 250 comments.

Guys, I have to get some work done today...

#255 Kragar,

I tried.

#259 Dom

Damn, guess you need a yahoo acct. Sorry guys.

#259 Dom

I'm an idiot, forgot to change the album permissions, maybe now they'll work.

#204 nova silverpill

if this happened to your mom, your sister, your daughter, would you **** feel the same way?

If they died while foolishly putting themselves in danger to protect a terrorist enterprise, you mean?

I'd grieve for them while at the same time understanding that their foolish, criminal and perhaps even evil actions brought about their death. It would be no different than relative being killed after they robbed a liquor store in a shootout by the police. If the death was particularly foolish, I would be embarassed and upset if details showed up on a 'Darwin Award' site or The Smoking Gun but I'd have to understand that the relative brought this on themselves by their actions.

As for the award, I think it's more about the LLL spin around her and the deification of her by certain leftist groups. I think this activity runs the risk of spurring on other impressionable and foolish people toward doing the same thing (Arafat and Co. are already experts at doing this to their own people). Perhaps a bit of post-mortum ridicule will cause others to choose a wiser way to channel their protest other than being a human shield for terrorists.

That said, I do think that various Hollywood blowhards, such as Micheal Moore or Barbra Streisand, and appeasement minded politicians, like Kofi and Jimmy C, are more deserving of the award because they encourage Rachel Corrie's to do what they do while they bask in their smug elitism in safety.

LOL Kragar. I don't know who the skunk is but that's cute.

#263 Dom

That's my older daughter, Katherine, for her first Halloween

#204 Sliverllip

The problem with your logic is that it can apply to both sides and proves nothing other than that you took sides first then tried to make the facts fit.

Start again.

I find LGF to be about the best blog I visit, in terms of functionality. As I am here a lot, fancy stuff would just create confusion and slow things down. (Yes I know what you said was just a gratuitous insult but I would like Charles to know I find this blog exceptionally clearly laid out and it has served me well as a research tool.)

OT - But it's from Lilek's and his stuff is always entertaining!

Baghdad 1953

Palestinian journalists vow fealty to Arafat
Jpost Newslink

Some 100 Palestinian journalists converged on the presidential headquarters in Ramallah on Tuesday – not to interview Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat, but to pledge allegiance to him.
...
The meeting with Arafat stands in sharp contrast to a demonstration staged in Gaza City on Monday to protest against attacks and threats against journalists. The protest was organized by scores of Palestinian journalists in solidarity with Al-Arabiya TV correspondent Seif al-Din Shahin, who was beaten by Fatah gunmen in Gaza City last week.
...
Arafat added that the Palestinians, including the journalists, are not only defending their villages, towns, and refugee camps, but the dignity of the entire Arab nation as well.
...
"Most of the correspondents of the Arab TV and radio stations need to be educated politically and culturally about the internal [Palestinian] situation," said Qazzaz. "The task of educating these journalists should be the responsibility of the Palestinian Journalists Syndicate, although some of its heads also need to be educated. The Ministry of Information should also be entrusted with educating these correspondents by telling them which phrases are used in our political life. We don't understand why some Arab satellite stations are no longer using the term martyr."

Tell me this isn't right out of the Stalin guide to 'education'. But don't let me leave out the most important part of the story.

Qazzaz said that he could not understand how some Palestinian journalists are capable of making "harmful" remarks against their leaders "at a time when even foreign journalists are careful not to alienate the Palestinians."

NPR, Reuters, AP, AFP: ARE YOU GETTING THIS?

#253 scaramouche :

Don't give these people a country. Pack up every last Jew-hating, shahid-aspiring one of them and ship them off to their spiritual and financial homeland: Europe.

You offend me. There are more to Europe than Germany and France you know. For instance it was Danish soldiers that found the blister gas shells staurday.

Congratulations LGFers. In recognition of your celebration of death, I hereby give you the

Honorary Muslim Award

I might feel a little pity for Rachel Corrie if she had been acting to help bring peace to both sides, but she chose to back the murderous palestinians. Those desiring to destroy the state of our true friends.

Because of that, she chose to side with the enemy and became an enemy. That she was too ignorant to survive is not my problem.

The seething hatred she exhibited also exempts her from pity.

She well deserved her fate and the contempt she generates.

#269 ibrodsky

ahhhh, but it was the muslims to have taught us that one persons celebration of death is another persons show of freedom and solidarity. Look at all the rallies in the Muslim world calling for the death of Jews and Americans and the destruction of both our countries. Based on this criteria, I thank you for your kind award.

Moral-relativism is a bitch when it cuts the other way, you f**king Troll.

I agree that she deserved her fate. She offered herself as a human shield for Palestinian barbarians and she paid with her life.

It's one thing to point to her as an example of what happens to those who shield mass murderers.

It's another to make pancake jokes and gloat over her death.

i think the picture is in bad taste

#272 ibrodsky

Corrie didn't die. She was ressurected from her death. She died when she joined ISM to defend homes with tunnels used to smuggle explosives and weapons that HURT THE PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS.

Her parents don't know, but getting pancaked was the best thing that ever happenned to Rachel Corrie.

"Rachizzle Corrizzle fo' shizzle my nizzle" ?

Whoever said that was right.

But making pancake jokes shows how morally idiotic she was.

She thought the rules didn't apply to her. She was wrong.

She thought she'd stop a bulldozer by her sheer moral "righteousness." And, she was wrong.

She thought that aiding and abetting terrorism would give her a free pass concerning her anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism. She was wrong.

She loved death more than she loved life. She did more to destroy the Palestinians than she realized - she encouraged them in their death cultus. She encouraged those kids in the photo to glorify death and murder. She hated America.

Despising her is a worthy goal. Making fun of her lets her off pretty easily.

Gordon:

As I posted on the now-closed thread, a much closer analogy is Horst Wessel.

#272 ibrodsky

The flat bitch was a member of an organization whose stated goal is to help terrorists destroy my country and my people. I'll gloat over her death as long as it makes recruitement of terrorist helpers more difficult.

In other words: fuck you.

Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) 1/14/2004 06:23AM PST

So, since Muslims celebrate death, you do the same.

Evolutions Eve:

Furthermore, personkind is sexist.

Just for the record: I am a moderator at Israel Forum. I have repeatedly called on Israel to use much more force against the Palestinian barbarians. I support transfer of the terrorist-supporting Palestinian majority back to the Arab homeland. I would like to see Israel annex the West Bank. I support massive military action by a coalition of the US, Israel, and any other nation that wishes to join against Syria, Iran, and Saudi Racist Arabia.

But I don't celebrate death. Because I'm not a Muslim.

Rachel Corrie brought about her own death. No glory there.

Rachel Corrie brought shame and dishonor to her family, her nation, and indeed, all rational humanity by her actions supporting terrorism. No glory there.

Rachel Corrie tried to stop a bulldozer. And that's just stupid.

Pointing out that Rachel Corrie's actions were terminally stupid does not equate to celebrating death. She tried to fight a bulldozer and lost.

That's just stupid and foolish. Giving her an award for her stupidity is a great way to tell people: don't do stupid things and expect sane results.

Paul of Arabia:

" but this needs to be countered with cold, hard facts, not emotional mockery. I have seen the photos of her after she was hit - her face was a weird shape and their was blood running from her mouth. She was an idiot, yes, but she was not Uday Hussein or Yassar Arafat."

She was and is much worse than Uday or Yassar. She is an icon for claiming the moral high ground in the name of depravity and evil. Mockery and ridicule are both appropriate and effective. The point is exactly that she is dead because she was an evil, hate-filled, idiot opposing the only force for good in the entire region.

Too bad Horst Wessel was not met with massive scorn, mockery and ridicule.

Google "Horst Wessel" for a good analogy

#281 ibrodsky

The young fools who join ISM and similar organizations do it for "glory". Laughing at them, mocking their saints and gloating over their stupidity, especially when it leads to their death, is the best way to prevent further fools from joining. Not opposing evil is the same as helping it. If you don't gloat over the flat bitch death, you are de facto helping ISM canonization effort.