The First LGF Obama-Jindal Poll

Charles Johnson

PoliticsFebruary 2009 • Views: 2,346

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Sharmuta Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:15:08pm

I voted "Ron Paul".

Syrah Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:16:38pm

I voted for the Infinite Turtle Stack.

zombie Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:17:06pm

My vote:

DID NOT PERCEIVE EITHER ONE.

Thankfully.

Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:17:28pm

Disgusting - all the way down.

Racer X Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:17:43pm

Bobby sounded inexperienced and naive. Not what I wanted to hear at all. Very disappointing. He has done better.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:18:37pm

Jindal sounded a lot more hopeful, patriotic and AMERICAN than Obamble did. I really like how Gov Jindal admires the United States of America and I hate it how Michelle and her husband play down the greatness of America.

jcm Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:18:44pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

I voted "Ron Paul".

Let's just go whole hog...
Jack Grimes!

Cause we need cool hats!

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Racer X Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:18:44pm

At least Obama backed away from his earlier dire predictions of doom and gloom.

PaxAmericana Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:19:20pm

I'll be honest. I spent my time raiding 25-man Naxx in WoW. I'm all spent on politics right now.

Syrah Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:20:13pm

We need to take a arms length look at Obama and this speech.

Obama's great strength is that he is a god in front of a teleprompter and a television camera.

We may see him as being plastic and this speech as being “rehearsed”, but the bottom line is that the great middle of America sees in him, a man who has a well articulated vision of what a Good America would look like and what it should be.

I worry that too many Americans will not be able to look at Obama and see anything beyond the surface image nor hear anything that is not read off of the teleprompter.

Racer X Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:21:08pm

I think Jindal stayed a little too positive. He pointed out the dems eagerness to build bigger government - but did not adequately state why that is a bad thing - especially in the current economy.

realwest Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:21:48pm

re: #6 winston06 Well I agree with you about the attitudes of both men, don't know if that came through in the speeches as clearly as you think it did.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:21:52pm

re: #10 Syrah

Ban the teleprompters

Sharmuta Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:22:34pm

re: #11 Racer X

I think Jindal stayed a little too positive. He pointed out the dems eagerness to build bigger government - but did not adequately state why that is a bad thing - especially in the current economy.

That's telling, BTW.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:22:42pm

re: #8 Racer X

At least Obama backed away from his earlier dire predictions of doom and gloom.

He only did that after Bill Clinton whacked him with a cluebat. All Obama did was listen to someone who actually knows something about leading the nation (even if he wasn't great at it).

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:22:50pm

re: #12 realwest

as a foreigner, I liked Gov. Jindal. I would love to be like him if I ever become an American. His life story is what makes America the greatest country in the world. Obama's story? not so much...

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:23:04pm

Reality didn't exist tonight if you believe the speeches.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:23:56pm

re: #16 winston06

as a foreigner, I liked Gov. Jindal. I would love to be like him if I ever become an American. His life story is what makes America the greatest country in the world. Obama's story? not so much...

Minus the creationism I hope.

Racer X Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:24:20pm

re: #14 Sharmuta

That's telling, BTW.

Are you saying I'm a tattle-tail?

;-)

realwest Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:24:24pm

re: #10 Syrah
Hi Syrah "I worry that too many Americans will not be able to look at Obama and see anything beyond the surface image nor hear anything that is not read off of the teleprompter."
I think many Americans who have just or are about to lose their jobs, or get hit with higher taxes, fees and the like will be able to look past that surface image. But it'll take time as Obama and the MSM will blame Bush for the economy for at least a year, maybe even 18 months and get away with it, too.

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:24:40pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Minus the creationism I hope.

That is so much a deal breaker.

zombie Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:25:09pm

Speculating on what the speeches were like:

Obama: "We are all descended from monkeys! Me especially!"
Jindal: "No, you most definitely were not! You, sir, are a human being!"
Obama: "Am not. Monkey!"
Jindal: "Are so. Made in God's image!"
Obama: "Monkey!"
Jindal: "Man!"
Obama: "Monkey-man!"
Jindal "Man-God!"

Now I kinda regret missing it.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:25:56pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Maybe. People here will hate me for it (which is sad since I believe Creationism is a joke) but really don't care about that aspect of him. First, I think that's overblown, 2nd I am a foreigner and don't have a say on it when it comes to voting, 3rd people look at more important issues.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:26:17pm

re: #21 FurryOldGuyJeans

shouldn't be.

realwest Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:26:47pm

re: #22 zombie
ROTFL!

spirochete Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:26:55pm

Obama reminds me of theif in the remake of The Italian Job who buys the stuff other people wanted because he had no imagination of his own.

Randall Gross Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:27:10pm

Both politicians took a blow tonight, they pre-empted American Idol, that's not going to help their popularity.

[deleted] Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:28:01pm

Racer X Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:28:02pm

re: #27 Thanos

Both politicians took a blow tonight, they pre-empted American Idol, that's not going to help their popularity.

But American Idol WAS on tonight.

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:28:39pm

re: #23 winston06

Maybe. People here will hate me for it (which is sad since I believe Creationism is a joke) but really don't care about that aspect of him. First, I think that's overblown, 2nd I am a foreigner and don't have a say on it when it comes to voting, 3rd people look at more important issues.

So your earlier stated opinion means diddly, eh?

Government intrusion is government intrusion, whether for Socialism or Creationism. UN-AC-CEP-TA-BLE.

BlueCanuck Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:28:50pm

Well I didn't see Jindals speech, but sat through Obamas drivel. I swear to all that is good, I am terrified at the direction your nations leadership has taken. Due to his aims and goals he stated that I remember, we will be thrust back into an energy crisis, your military is going to be ham strung and neutered, and we all will become bigger targets for terrorists. Also the economy is going to be in the tank for a long time to come. One the bright side. All that money that will be printed will make a cheap and excellent insulation.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:29:21pm

re: #28 MikeySDCA

Is he a genius on economy or running a government? He is not a priest or a man of church/temple. He is a politician and a good manager.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:29:28pm

re: #23 winston06

Maybe. People here will hate me for it (which is sad since I believe Creationism is a joke) but really don't care about that aspect of him. First, I think that's overblown, 2nd I am a foreigner and don't have a say on it when it comes to voting, 3rd people look at more important issues.

It's not the most important issue, but it is a relevant one. Creationism is an anti-scientific mindset that, when introduced into the classroom, damages the education of our children. I wish there was a way for Jindal to disassociate himself from the DI crowd but the media will likely not let him do so. He needs to associate with better people.

Racer X Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:29:31pm

LOL moment = when Obama said "he gets it".

No, he really does not.

Syrah Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:29:53pm

re: #20 realwest

Hi Syrah "I worry that too many Americans will not be able to look at Obama and see anything beyond the surface image nor hear anything that is not read off of the teleprompter."
I think many Americans who have just or are about to lose their jobs, or get hit with higher taxes, fees and the like will be able to look past that surface image. But it'll take time as Obama and the MSM will blame Bush for the economy for at least a year, maybe even 18 months and get away with it, too.

Hi RW.

I hope you and your Mother are doing well.

As for Obama, I fear that we will find that our fellow citizens will only be able to see the positive in him.

It will only be you and me and a few others in their lives from whom they will here disparaging remarks about Obama. That man will be treated like a god by everyone else. Who would dare make war against him? He is the perfect politician.

I hope that I am wrong about this, . . .

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:30:28pm

re: #30 FurryOldGuyJeans

I agree that gov't shouldn't write books for students because if it did, it will be Cuba, Saudi Arabia or Iran. But I think Jindal is a good manager and I like his positive tone.

Scion9 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:30:31pm

re: #27 Thanos

Both politicians took a blow tonight, they pre-empted American Idol, that's not going to help their popularity.

Not so. The votes are in. Obama is the new American Idol.

itellu3times Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:30:31pm

re: #27 Thanos

Both politicians took a blow tonight...

Don't they always.

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:30:36pm

re: #32 winston06

Is he a genius on economy or running a government? He is not a priest or a man of church/temple. He is a politician and a good manager.

The man is good at running a campaign. So far he has shown absolutely NO managerial skills whatsoever.

nyc redneck Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:30:36pm

i'd pick jindal over O.
i just hope it doesn't come to that.

Gort Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:30:39pm

re: #22 zombie
ROFLMAO
I've been putting it off, but now my monitor must be thoroughly cleaned!

bbiab

jorline Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:31:08pm

re: #22 zombie

Speculating on what the speeches were like:

Obama: "We are all descended from monkeys! Me especially!"
Jindal: "No, you most definitely were not! You, sir, are a human being!"
Obama: "Am not. Monkey!"
Jindal: "Are so. Made in God's image!"
Obama: "Monkey!"
Jindal: "Man!"
Obama: "Monkey-man!"
Jindal "Man-God!"

Now I kinda regret missing it.

lol...sounds like a South Park episode.

Kragar Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:31:11pm

So I miss anything?

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:31:12pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Maybe he is between a rock and a hard place in LA. I think when it comes to the national level, these men will change.

TheMatrix31 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:31:18pm

re: #34 Racer X

LOL moment = when Obama said "he gets it".

No, he really does not.

No....the LOL moment was when he said there are no earmarks in the bill.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:31:55pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am not a resident of Louisiana but I think the people of La might disagree with u on that.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:32:18pm

re: #43 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

no. welcome to the club! ;-)

Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:32:42pm

hmmmm...interesting poll results. I'll hold my tongue while I develop a theory on this one.

Kragar Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:33:25pm

re: #47 winston06

no. welcome to the club! ;-)

Didn't figure I would

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:33:28pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

I believe it will be a given. How r u btw?

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:33:31pm

re: #46 winston06

I am not a resident of Louisiana but I think the people of La might disagree with u on that.

They very well might, but then I say things as I see them. Pushing a pseudo-science agenda HARD is not being a good manager of the public trust.

The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:33:36pm

re: #31 BlueCanuck

Well I didn't see Jindals speech, but sat through Obamas drivel. I swear to all that is good, I am terrified at the direction your nations leadership has taken. Due to his aims and goals he stated that I remember, we will be thrust back into an energy crisis, your military is going to be ham strung and neutered, and we all will become bigger targets for terrorists. Also the economy is going to be in the tank for a long time to come. One the bright side. All that money that will be printed will make a cheap and excellent insulation.

Have no fear. We have a long history of electing idiots and somehow (our Constitution) manage to keep on trucking along.

zombie Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:33:51pm

re: #27 Thanos

Both politicians took a blow tonight, they pre-empted American Idol, that's not going to help their popularity.

Yeah, and I'm pissed. Tonight was the night that the impossibly cute Jasmine Murray was going to perform. Obama and Jindal just lost every teenage boy vote in the country!

Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:34:31pm

re: #44 winston06

Maybe he is between a rock and a hard place in LA. I think when it comes to the national level, these men will change.

He can try, but he's got too much of a record to get away from his support of ID. I Democrat might be able to walk away from such baggage, but Jindal is a Republican and so would have the MSM bring his past associations up constantly.

Kragar Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:34:31pm

re: #53 zombie

Yeah, and I'm pissed. Tonight was the night that the impossibly cute Jasmine Murray was going to perform. Obama and Jindal just lost every teenage boy vote in the country!

Linky no worky

Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:34:32pm

Is the poll for registered users only? I noticed the number of votes and the number of logged in users matches pretty closely.

HelloDare Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:35:07pm

Sixty-eight percent of speech-watchers questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey Tuesday night had a very positive reaction to the president's address, with 24 percent suggesting they had a somewhat positive response and 8 percent indicating they had a negative reaction.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:35:07pm

re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

Agreed. But from what I have learned about US politics, I understand it is very LOCAL. So I'd think he is going with the flow.
Again, it saddens me to know that in the yr 2009 there are people who think the earth is 6000 yrs old.

Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:35:13pm

re: #50 winston06

Doing well. Having a busy evening with chores and such.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:35:44pm

re: #31 BlueCanuck

I am happy we've got PM Harper. ;-)

Randall Gross Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:35:46pm

re: #29 Racer X

But American Idol WAS on tonight.

Oh, I don't watch it, just assumed that Fox would preempt since it was in same time slot here.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:36:13pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I am heading to the US in 10 days. Will talk to 2 recruiters in Florida and Colo.

Syrah Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:36:18pm

re: #57 HelloDare

Sixty-eight percent of speech-watchers questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey Tuesday night had a very positive reaction to the president's address, with 24 percent suggesting they had a somewhat positive response and 8 percent indicating they had a negative reaction.

That is about what I would expect.

Kragar Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:36:26pm

re: #58 winston06

Agreed. But from what I have learned about US politics, I understand it is very LOCAL. So I'd think he is going with the flow.
Again, it saddens me to know that in the yr 2009 there are people who think the earth is 6000 yrs old.

Ppfff! The universe is only around 35+ years old.

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:36:29pm

re: #24 winston06

shouldn't be.

Shouldn't be for YOU, but for me it is. Using one's personal religious creed and bias to manage the public trust is not good or acceptable.

[deleted] Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:36:41pm

realwest Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:36:53pm

re: #57 HelloDare
Yeah but how many of those 68% and 24% have a job?

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:37:09pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

When it comes to Presidential campaign, that won't matter with majority of people.

brandon13 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:37:16pm

re: #46 winston06

I am not a resident of Louisiana but I think the people of La might disagree with u on that.

From what I gather quite a few people who voted for Jindal are upset that he seems more worried about running for President in 2012 than he does about governing Louisiana.

Fenway_Nation Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:37:23pm

I had to go with 'neutral' on both counts since I missed both of them- altho' I turned on the TV in time to hear The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers/Ear Leader say something about 'our crippling reliance on foreign oil'....

Knowing him all too well, I figured that it was going to segue into global warming scare mongering and pimping for alternative energy- as opposed to increased domestic or offshore drilling...

Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:37:31pm

re: #62 winston06

Good luck. I'm anxious to hear what kind of assignments you're likely to get.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:37:50pm

re: #66 MikeySDCA

It might but it won't cost him much in the long run.

BlueCanuck Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:37:50pm

re: #60 winston06

Oh yes, so am I.

Racer X Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:38:06pm

re: #61 Thanos

Oh, I don't watch it, just assumed that Fox would preempt since it was in same time slot here.

Obama = American Idol

;-)

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:38:19pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

I doubt they would hire me but I'll give it a try.

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:38:30pm

re: #58 winston06

Agreed. But from what I have learned about US politics, I understand it is very LOCAL. So I'd think he is going with the flow.
Again, it saddens me to know that in the yr 2009 there are people who think the earth is 6000 yrs old.

Creationism being wedged into the school curriculum is NOT a local phenomenon. The implications are nation-wide, and un-Constitutional to boot.

Gella Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:38:59pm

re: #74 Racer X

Obama = American Idol

;-)

more like Obama = Lenin

[deleted] Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:39:07pm

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:39:32pm

re: #73 BlueCanuck

I think PM Harper should take Obamble to class every time they speak with each other on the phone or in person. Obamble is supporting anti-Jewish Durban II conf. while our very own PM is backing off and scolding morons of the world. How refreshing!

freedomplow Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:39:37pm

Jindal is not a national leader, Mike Pence is.

I have said Mike Pence is the way forward a hundred times here.

Are any of you listening?

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:39:53pm

re: #78 MikeySDCA

Care to explain how?

Syrah Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:40:03pm

re: #57 HelloDare

Sixty-eight percent of speech-watchers questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey Tuesday night had a very positive reaction to the president's address, with 24 percent suggesting they had a somewhat positive response and 8 percent indicating they had a negative reaction.

I suspect that sampling is terribly biased. This is the kind of thing that is very difficult to get a fair sample to with.

deymond Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:40:18pm

re: #69 brandon13

That doesn't make him a bad manager; that makes him a guy who's thinking about running for president. Anyway, it's quite difficult for a candidate to lose their home state, so that's unlikely to be a difference-maker.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:40:27pm

re: #80 freedomplow

Jindal can be a VP candidate there. cant he?

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:40:48pm

re: #68 winston06

When it comes to Presidential campaign, that won't matter with majority of people.

And where exactly do you derive that font of knowledge by which you pontificate so authoritatively? I happen to live in the state where the Discovery Institute is located and such trivial nonsense as you like to classify it has "legs".

SteveC Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:42:07pm

This could come back to bite Michelle in the butt:

Michelle and friends send the poor packing....

Barack Obama’s wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don’t have private insurance — primarily poor, black people — to other health care facilities.

Dog bite patient sent home

The child's mother alleges that she was pressured for insurance information, and the implication is that her medicaid status contributed to their decision not to perform surgery.

And when she was discharged, she was told to follow up "at Cook County."... When she did (promptly) present at County, the child was operated on. This implies to me (though not conclusively) that this truly was a patient dump, that the University chose not to or did not have the resources to care for the child and just sent them away, hoping that they would become somebody else's problem.

avanti Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:42:14pm

re: #10 Syrah

We need to take a arms length look at Obama and this speech.

Obama's great strength is that he is a god in front of a teleprompter and a television camera.

We may see him as being plastic and this speech as being “rehearsed”, but the bottom line is that the great middle of America sees in him, a man who has a well articulated vision of what a Good America would look like and what it should be.

I worry that too many Americans will not be able to look at Obama and see anything beyond the surface image nor hear anything that is not read off of the teleprompter.

You nailed it. He's a frigging rock star, a salesman and could sell used cars on the side. If what he's selling ends up being good, we'll be fine, if not....

You can talk all you want about experience and the rest, but in the end, it's personal appeal and political savvy that wins elections and gets legislation passed.

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:42:25pm

re: #72 winston06

It might but it won't cost him much in the long run.

He makes a run larger than Louisiana and it will cost him big time. This is not a trivial issue as you like to pontificate.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:43:23pm

re: #88 FurryOldGuyJeans

we'll see.

nyc redneck Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:43:24pm

i'd only pick jindal over O because i think we would survive as a country and could
take on the creationists and those who would set back science.
the way apologist O is fawning over our enemies, who even knows when we will
even be able to put science on the front burner as a priority.
that is how bleak it looks to me.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:43:42pm

re: #87 avanti

He's not even a good salesman.

William Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:44:12pm

A video of Jindal's response to Obama can be found here:

[Link: www.bobbyjindal.com...]

[deleted] Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:44:13pm

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:44:22pm

re: #90 nyc redneck

If you good people don't take America back, there won't be an America left to discuss these things

Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:44:23pm

And now something to soothe the inflamed lizards:

The most beautiful Italian madrigal ever composed, by Claudio Montiverdi, sung by a soprano and a countertenor. (Can you tell which is which?) And the visual part doesn't suck, either.

Youtube Video

They sing of Spring.

Zefiro torna e di soavi accenti
l'aer fa grato e'il pié discioglie a l'onde
e, mormoranda tra le verdi fronde,
fa danzar al bel suon su'l prato i fiori.

Inghirlandato il crin Fillide e Clori
note temprando lor care e gioconde
e da monti e da valli ime e profonde
raddoppian l'armonia gli antri canori.
Sorge più vaga in ciel l'aurora, e'l sole,
sparge più luci d'or; più puro argento
fregia di Teti il bel ceruleo manto.

Sol io, per selve abbandonate e sole,
l'ardor di due belli occhi e'l mio tormento,
come vuol mia ventura, hor piango hor canto.

I found a truly lousy translation on the web and rewrote it (no line left untouched!):

Zephyr returns, and with gentle breath
Makes sweet the air and sweeps the grass in waves,
And soughing through green branches
The flowering field makes dance to his clean note.

Wreathed is the hair of Phyllis and Chloe,
And notes alight with love and joy
From mountains high and valleys deep
In sounding caves echo in tune.
Dawn soars glad in the sky and the sun
Flings rays of gold and purest silver,
Like signs on the azure cloak of Thetis.

But I, in woods alone and lost,
The love of two sweet eyes my scourge,
As my Fate wills it - I now weep, now sing.

Salvete et bonam noctem, lacerti.

--Cato Maior

Gort Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:44:41pm

re: #86 SteveC

This could come back to bite Michelle in the butt:

Brain bleach, stat!

avanti Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:44:41pm

re: #8 Racer X

At least Obama backed away from his earlier dire predictions of doom and gloom.

Politics as usual, he needed the doom and gloom to get his bill through, now it's cheer leading time.

winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:44:53pm

re: #93 MikeySDCA

Yes, majority of people in the US are not creationists. Agreed!

nyc redneck Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:46:11pm

re: #94 winston06

If you good people don't take America back, there won't be an America left to discuss these things

we have time to take it back.
hopefully we won't be faced w/ worst case scenarios.

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[deleted] Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:47:17pm

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winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:47:27pm

TV is showing "A few good men" movie and thats what I love in the entire movie:

Youtube Video

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winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:47:44pm

re: #99 nyc redneck

i hope so

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avanti Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:47:45pm

re: #57 HelloDare

Sixty-eight percent of speech-watchers questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey Tuesday night had a very positive reaction to the president's address, with 24 percent suggesting they had a somewhat positive response and 8 percent indicating they had a negative reaction.

Put me in the 24%, it was OK, but not a home run. BTW, those figures were about the same as some of GW STOU speeches according to CNN.

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deymond Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:48:15pm

re: #98 winston06

The majority of people do want a say in what their children are being taught. That's a bigger issue to people than evolution vs. creationism.

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Mardukhai Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:48:26pm

I wish Jindal had been more specific. Perhaps he should have mentioned Creationism...

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Racer X Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:48:34pm

re: #80 freedomplow

Jindal is not a national leader, Mike Pence is.

I have said Mike Pence is the way forward a hundred times here.

Are any of you listening?

Who?

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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:48:50pm

re: #97 avanti

Politics as usual, he needed the doom and gloom to get his bill through, now it's cheer leading time.

So O is nothing but a crass Chicago politico. What a change that is.

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winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:49:02pm

re: #100 MikeySDCA

Of course; the US is still the cradle/base/mother of all science, progress, open mindedness and technology. How could this happen if MAJORITY of Yanks were silly creationists?

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winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:49:14pm

re: #104 deymond

agreed

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winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:52:00pm

Brucee is down dinging my posts without uttering a word here. This is bogus!

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TheMatrix31 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:53:22pm

I just looked at Mike Pence's Wikipedia.....seems like a potential guy.

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freedomplow Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:55:10pm

re: #84 winston06

Jindal can be a VP candidate there. cant he?

Sure. I like him. He needs a little more experience.

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winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:55:20pm

re: #111 TheMatrix31

GOP has to use all of its resources to get back on track

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winston06 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:55:48pm

re: #112 freedomplow

He'll be able to wipe the floor with Obamble in 2-3 yrs.

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cliffg Tue, Feb 24, 2009 9:56:05pm

Obama was about what I expected: he was trying to put lipstick on the pig.

Jindal, however, was a disappointment. I have seen Jindal in action (I live in Baton Rouge) and that was not the Jindal I know. He was wooden, tense and uptight. Not a good first showing. Maybe the Left will take that for the real Bobby and underestimate him in 2012.

As for Jindal's views in creationism/intelligent design, they bother me less than Obama's views on protecting this country and who controls my health care choices.

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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:03:40pm

re: #31 BlueCanuck

Never thought I'd see the day when conservative Americans might contemplate heading to Canada. You got room for 56 million more up there? We'll bring some extra beer and back bacon!

If every conservative American moved to BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, would we be a big enough demographic bulge to cancel out the votes of the liberals in Ontario and the Quebecois and tilt Canadian politics rightward for the next 100 years?

Think about it. Canada could rule the world, eh.

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freedomplow Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:07:40pm

re: #92 William

A video of Jindal's response to Obama can be found here:

[Link: www.bobbyjindal.com...]

William predicted the housing bubble years ago. Also put together a great website.

Freedom Agenda

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Olderthandirt Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:11:28pm

I boycotted both speeches based on intense principles; I had something better to do!

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:13:03pm

re: #116 Colonel Panik

I've been giving Alberta some thought.....or at least Montana (the only U.S. state bordering Alberta). No matter how right-leaning Alberta may be by Canadian standards, I think Montana's gun laws would be more favorable....

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freedomplow Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:18:39pm

re: #106 Racer X

Who?

You're not serious are you?

What?

I don't know.

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wiffersnapper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:20:08pm

Ron Paul!

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Wendya Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:32:07pm

re: #10 Syrah

I worry that too many Americans will not be able to look at Obama and see anything beyond the surface image nor hear anything that is not read off of the teleprompter.

Well, that is how he got elected.

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idaniboy Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:32:46pm

re: #9 PaxAmericana

Good thing you missed Jindal's speech. I have never seen something like that before. All I could say after watching him is just WoW... and not in a good way.

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freetoken Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:36:52pm

Did no one notice the Jindal doesn't want to monitor volcanoes?

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freetoken Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:37:45pm

re: #123 idaniboy

I just watched it... via C-Span.

Agree that it fell short, and that it did nothing for me... except wonder what Jindal has against monitoring volcanoes.

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freedomplow Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:39:41pm

You can beat Obama with the compassion of your convictions and your depth of knowledge.

Jindal did not display that tonight.

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Wendya Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:41:31pm

re: #124 freetoken

Did no one notice the Jindal doesn't want to monitor volcanoes?

Not in the stimulus bill, certainly.

Is that going to create new jobs here in America? Is it going to strengthen our economy or is it an item that should be addressed in the regular budget and no doubt will be addressed to the tune of another 150 million or so?

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freetoken Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:51:26pm

re: #127 Wendya

From the bill:

For an additional amount for ‘‘Surveys, Investigations, and Research’’, $140,000,000, for repair, construction and restoration of facilities; equipment replacement and upgrades including stream
gages, and seismic and volcano monitoring systems; national map activities; and other critical deferred maintenance and improvement
projects.

While it would not have been my priority to see such a thing put into a "stimulus" bill, yes, that amount of money will employ some people (@$100,000/staff yr it would come to 1400 staff years.)

I guess my point is this... why did Jindal, already under the gun for his anti-modern views (at least wrt science), decide to pick on what many people would otherwise consider a worthy government (scientific) effort?

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Mirage Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:09:15pm

re: #44 winston06

Maybe he is between a rock and a hard place in LA. I think when it comes to the national level, these men will change.

Between Iraq and a hard place? (Sorry, couldn't resist making the bad pun)

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redc1c4 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:15:28pm

re: #114 winston06

He'll be able to wipe the floor with Obamble in 2-3 yrs.

he won't be able to wipe his own butt, unless there's an intelligent design to it.

i've got no problems voting for an openly religious person who can draw a line between person and state, such as Palin. there's no way i'm every voting for someone who can't differentiate, like JIndal.

the Republican men have led my party so far down the road to "stupid". i'm with the women: let's stop and ask for directions.

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Wendya Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:27:02pm

re: #128 freetoken

From the bill:

While it would not have been my priority to see such a thing put into a "stimulus" bill, yes, that amount of money will employ some people (@$100,000/staff yr it would come to 1400 staff years.)

I guess my point is this... why did Jindal, already under the gun for his anti-modern views (at least wrt science), decide to pick on what many people would otherwise consider a worthy government (scientific) effort?

Oh, goody... more government workers. Just what we need at the expense of the private sector.

As for the anti-science charges, how many people realize that stupid "academic freedom" crap passed on a 94-3 vote in the house and a 35-0 vote in the Senate? Jindal probably should have vetoed it but the legislature would have immediately overruled him and that would put him in a weakened position. This is politics, remember? We have people here claiming he's an ignorant backwater YEC, a claim for which I can find no supporting evidence. Perhaps people from other parts of the country don't understand he is a Southern Governor. That's a whole different animal and you do NOT get to win as a republican by telling people who don't understand the theory of evolution that theyr'e stupid, backward hicks. That's the reality he operates under.

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jordash1212 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:30:33pm

It was annoying how he centered his speech around reducing gov't influence when Obama specifically said he was against more government involvement.

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freetoken Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:46:48pm

re: #131 Wendya

Oh, goody... more government workers. Just what we need at the expense of the private sector.

Is there an existing volcano monitoring business that now will be put out of business because of government monitoring? Or perhaps you think that volcano monitoring is not a worthy thing to do?

As for the anti-science charges, how many people realize that stupid "academic freedom" crap passed on a 94-3 vote in the house and a 35-0 vote in the Senate?

Yes, Jindal is the lead piper among a band playing the same tune... understand that. Yet, it would have been a mark of forward thinking (and leadership) if he had chosen to confront his own political environment with the physical reality of the science, as well as the judicial reality of the inevitable challenge to the law once someone tries to sneak in creationist educational material into their local class curriculum under the banner of "critical thinking."

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deymond Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:52:26pm

re: #133 freetoken

Is there an existing volcano monitoring business that now will be put out of business because of government monitoring? Or perhaps you think that volcano monitoring is not a worthy thing to do?

Government spending is by definition at the expense of the private sector.

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freetoken Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:55:22pm

re: #134 deymond

Government spending is by definition at the expense of the private sector.

Do you say that about your local sewage system, which no doubt exists on tax money (probably as a rate on water consumption, as well as possibly supplemented by property taxes and county or state funds)?

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deymond Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:58:40pm

re: #135 freetoken

Absolutely. I say that about the military as well. It's important to acknowledge reality.

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freetoken Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:07:16am

re: #136 deymond

Then you are attempting to do the consistent libertarian approach to society?

Back in college several of my friends were die-hard libertarians and discusses such issues as whether government should be involved in roads, sewers, etc.

I maintain that the reason government (at various levels) are involved in these activities is because life simply works better that way. We (humans) have millennia of human experimentation with governance, and it does seem that the winning design is one in which collective responsibility is exercised along with (not in place of) individual responsibility.

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deymond Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:21:15am

re: #137 freetoken

Well, I'm mostly advocating for the acknowledgement of certain truths about the nature of government, rather than calling for roads, sewers, the USGS, etc. to be privatized. Not that I wouldn't like for those things to happen; I just haven't spent time analyzing the possibilities.

I agree that there are certain situations for which the government is best suited (private security forces can certainly accomplish some things more efficiently than the US military, but there are very good reasons why the public would find this unacceptable). However, I think the reason that the government is involved in most of its activities is the simple fact that citizens haven't made themselves aware of the consequences of and alternatives to government involvement.

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Annar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:44:41am

If that's the best Jindal can do with Obama giving such an easy target he won't have to wait for the creationist pot hole to destroy cripple his horse.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 7:16:37am

I missed both. I went to a blue and gold banquet and hung out with some wonderful boys.

2 Arrows of Light
5 Bears
1 Bobcat
3 Webelos pins

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Malleus Dei Wed, Feb 25, 2009 7:28:29am

"I'll be honest. I spent my time raiding 25-man Naxx in WoW. I'm all spent on politics right now."

That was a far more efficient use of your time.

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Osama Bin Porkchop Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:15:22am

re: #31 BlueCanuck

lonOne the bright side. All that money that will be printed will make a cheap and excellent insulation.

So invest in wheelbarrow - they will be the new wallets :)

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bulwrk Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:25:59am

When he was talking about the military budget I worry that Obama's reference to doing away with old cold war systems that are no longer needed is code for nukes and missile defense.

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Higgs Boson Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:49:32pm

How come you didn't include RonPaul?!

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Ruebacca Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:24:06pm

Jindal looked like the MAN during the hurricanes. He needs to stick with the NO-BS style.

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