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Don’t you believe in flying saucers, they ask me? Don’t you believe in telepathy? — in ancient astronauts? — in the Bermuda triangle? — in life after death?

No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.

One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of unrelieved negation, burst out “Don’t you believe in anything?”

“Yes”, I said. “I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I’ll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.”

— Isaac Asimov

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1116 comments
1 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:19:29pm

weeeeeee!

2 rhino2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:21:22pm

re: #1 redc1c4

Posting from a swing?

3 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:22:09pm

these asshats never miss a trick, do they? higher cost of ammo will prevent shootings

4 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:22:34pm

re: #2 rhino2

Posting from a swing?

that was my inner Calvin

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:22:44pm

re: #1 redc1c4

You're hoggin' all the altered fruitcup to yourself.

/freakin' bogart!

6 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:24:38pm

I found another thing that doesn't belong on pizzas (but regularly apprears anyways).....

zucchini.

/Zucchini doesn't just belong. Period.

7 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:25:21pm

re: #5 Slumbering Behemoth

You're hoggin' all the altered fruitcup to yourself.

/freakin' bogart!

it's all right there in the frig----------------------->

/help yourself

8 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:25:23pm

re: #1 redc1c4

weeeeeee!

/just in time for Easter

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:02pm
“Yes”, I said. “I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I’ll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.”

And yet in some circles, this attitude is considered to be equivalent to "faith in a religion".

How very sad.

10 rhino2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:45pm

re: #3 redc1c4

these asshats never miss a trick, do they? higher cost of ammo will prevent shootings

Wasn't that a Chris Rock joke? "I would kill you right now!.....If I could afford it!" $5000 bullets I think it was....

Oh here it is....

11 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:48pm

re: #5 Slumbering Behemoth

Altered fruitcup? Cool!

Red probably left it over in the Bermuda Triangle.

12 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:49pm

re: #6 Fenway_Nation

I found another thing that doesn't belong on pizzas (but regularly apprears anyways).....

zucchini.

/Zucchini doesn't just belong. Period.

i agree: it's nasty stuff. right up there with rutabagas, turnips, parsnips and Brussels sprouts

13 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:28:00pm

re: #11 Pvt Bin Jammin

Altered fruitcup? Cool!

Red probably left it over in the Bermuda Triangle.

nawwwww...... i store it in the intelligent wing of the DNC HQ's.

/no one ever goes there

14 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:29:15pm

re: #3 redc1c4

these asshats never miss a trick, do they? higher cost of ammo will prevent shootings

You know, because $40 isn't enough to deter someone who really feels the urge to kill.

/hell, I spend more on a bottle of liquor, doesn't deter me from drinking

15 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:29:23pm

A woman has twins and gives them up for adoption. One of them goes to a family in Egypt and is named "Ahmal." The other goes to a family in Spain and they name him "Juan." Years later, Juan sends a picture of himself to his birth mother. Upon receiving the picture, she tells her husband that she wishes she also had a picture of Ahmal. Her
husband responds, "They're twins! If you've seen Juan, you've seen Ahmal."

16 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:29:45pm

You can almost re-write that for the kooks.

The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, you will find a stronger defense of it and a looser set of evidence.

17 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:29:54pm

re: #13 redc1c4

nawwwww...... i store it in the intelligent wing of the DNC HQ's.

/no one ever goes there

Now your thinking. I was once a dem (registered that way anyhow). They might not notice if I sneak over to that fridge.

18 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:30:45pm

re: #6 Fenway_Nation

Don't give a damn, put it on a pizza and I'll try to eat it. Hell, put it between two slices of bread and I'll try to eat it. With some exceptions of course.

Though I tend to agree, zucchini on a pizza doesn't sound like a good match.

19 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:16pm

Some things just don't belong on pizza.

20 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:32pm

is it just me, or is the AP stupid?

i can think of an easy military fix to severely reduce piracy. station a USMC MEU in the area, and randomly assign a squad or so of Marines to ships transiting the area.

the pirates come along side and try to board, the Marines kill them and sink the boats, and the ship goes on it's way..... seems simple enough to me.

21 rhino2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:48pm

re: #15 Dustyvet

Giggle. +1

22 elevenbravo1969  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:53pm

re: #12 redc1c4

I totally agree...except for brussels sprouts. Love 'em w/butter & salt.

23 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:32:59pm

Brussel sprouts rule!

24 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:07pm

re: #22 elevenbravo1969

I totally agree...except for brussels sprouts. Love 'em w/butter & salt.

i like them much better after they've been fed to a pig, and turned into pulled pork or ribs......

25 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:22pm

But not on pizza!

26 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:29pm

re: #22 elevenbravo1969

I totally agree...except for brussels sprouts. Love 'em w/butter & salt.

Good for you.

/just nowhere near a pizza, okay, promise?

27 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:42pm

What's been going on? My day was one computer headache after another. Sometimes I hate these things.

28 neocon hippie  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:43pm

I am just now learning about NESARA, mentioned on the last thread. Truly bizarre.

29 elevenbravo1969  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:34:09pm

I promise.

30 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:34:24pm

re: #25 tommygum

But not on pizza!

we'll make you a Brussels sprout milk shake, ok?

31 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:34:41pm

re: #28 neocon hippie

Hey NH, Did you hear the bit with the synth voice? Weirod in the extreme.

32 rhino2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:34:48pm

re: #27 rawmuse

What's been going on? My day was one computer headache after another. Sometimes I hate these things.

Sounds like my everyday

/ah working in a tech shop

33 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:34:52pm

Wont they just leave Sarah alone!

34 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:35:31pm

re: #30 redc1c4

we'll make you a Brussels sprout milk shake, ok?

Gross!

35 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:35:37pm

re: #33 tommygum

Wont they just leave Sarah alone!

nope: she scares them......

/and some people here too.

36 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:35:52pm

Political Philosophies Explained in Simple "Two Cow" Terms:

Socialism: You have two cows. You keep one and give one to your neighbor.

Communism: You have two cows. The government takes them both and provides
you with milk.

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes them and sells you the milk.

Nazism: You have two cows. The government takes both and then shoots you.

Bureaucracy: You have two cows. The government takes them both, shoots one,
milks the other, pays you for the milk, and then pours it down the drain.

Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Corporate: You have two cows. You sell one, force the other to produce the
milk of four cows, and then act surprised when it drops dead.

Democracy: You have two cows. The government taxes you to the point that you
must sell them both in order to support a man in a foreign country who has
only one cow which was a gift from your government.

37 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:36:31pm

re: #34 tommygum

Gross!

well, you're the one that said you liked them, not me.

i'm surprised the army didn't have them in C-rats to go with "ham & mothers"

38 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:36:42pm

re: #20 redc1c4

is it just me, or is the AP stupid?

i can think of an easy military fix to severely reduce piracy. station a USMC MEU in the area, and randomly assign a squad or so of Marines to ships transiting the area.

the pirates come along side and try to board, the Marines kill them and sink the boats, and the ship goes on it's way..... seems simple enough to me.

I kept thinking this morning. If they wind up coming to the USA they put them in prison and not charge them with anything for 2 years. Then after two years they'll get 30,000 dollars, section 8 housing at a discount, a new wardrobe, and be introduced to a "refugee assistance" group

Todays pirate is tomorrow victim!

Yippee!

//

39 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:37:48pm

re: #20 redc1c4

i can think of an easy military fix to severely reduce piracy. station a USMC MEU in the area, and randomly assign a squad or so of Marines to ships transiting the area.

the pirates come along side and try to board, the Marines kill them and sink the boats, and the ship goes on it's way..... seems simple enough to me.

Four man squads, two twelve hour shifts, shoulder fired rockets.

/retrieve the Marines when the ship exits the danger zone, problem solved

40 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:29pm

re: #32 rhino2

OK so I had my main computer go wonky after I upgraded to Leopard OSX.
Ran terrible. Many problems.
Then last night, screen went black, total crash, then when I rebooted my User settings were gone. It was like I was a non-person.
I logged in as my wife (the horrors...) and backed up all my goodies.
Then I did a clean install, wiped the whole drive clean, and started over.
All my apps, mail settings, music, the whole deal.
I am still not done.

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:50pm

re: #20 redc1c4

Nope, the AP is stupid too.

/just ribbin' ya

42 Salem  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:53pm

People should at least prefer to have evidence of a phenomenon before believing it, right?

43 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:39:07pm

I like 'sprouts with butter and a bit of salt.

Not on pizza.

Not in a milkshake.

44 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:39:15pm

re: #20 redc1c4

I really can't talk about it and I got no information of any kind but one of the jarheads that I adopted was in the MEU and we had an ongoing joke about the pirates. I'd say "watch out for pirates" and he'd say "what's your solution".

What is the solution? What kind of international, maritime laws are we bound by? I don't feel like looking for the link right now but I think the Indian Navy went after some of those a**holes. Good on India.

45 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:39:57pm

re: #38 Gus 802

I kept thinking this morning. If they wind up coming to the USA they put them in prison and not charge them with anything for 2 years. Then after two years they'll get 30,000 dollars, section 8 housing at a discount, a new wardrobe, and be introduced to a "refugee assistance" group

Todays pirate is tomorrow victim!

Yippee!

//

it's a violent crime in progress on the high seas. why all the fuss about having a trial?

if you don't want to get killed, don't attack shipping.
if you attack shipping, expect to get killed.

it's a simple enough proposition that even a rock worshiping barbarian can figure it out.

46 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:30pm

re: #40 rawmuse

OK so I had my main computer go wonky after I upgraded to Leopard OSX.
Ran terrible. Many problems.
Then last night, screen went black, total crash, then when I rebooted my User settings were gone. It was like I was a non-person.
I logged in as my wife (the horrors...) and backed up all my goodies.
Then I did a clean install, wiped the whole drive clean, and started over.
All my apps, mail settings, music, the whole deal.
I am still not done.

That's not good. Almost like a worst case scenario. Last problem I has was a failed power supply that caused a lot of problems. Fortunately it was only that.

47 pink freud  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:34pm

re: #20 redc1c4

is it just me, or is the AP stupid?

Yes.

A.P. Exec Doesn’t Know It Has A YouTube Channel: Threatens Affiliate For Embedding Videos

48 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:51pm

re: #39 Killian Bundy

Four man squads, two twelve hour shifts, shoulder fired rockets.

/retrieve the Marines when the ship exits the danger zone, problem solved

a few more than 4 bodies, but not much more than an augmented squad per vessel.

49 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:54pm

re: #37 redc1c4

well, you're the one that said you liked them, not me.

i'm surprised the army didn't have them in C-rats to go with "ham & mothers"


NO...Not do that to my Ham and Lima Beans....:)

50 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:41:49pm

re: #45 redc1c4

it's a violent crime in progress on the high seas. why all the fuss about having a trial?

if you don't want to get killed, don't attack shipping.
if you attack shipping, expect to get killed.

it's a simple enough proposition that even a rock worshiping barbarian can figure it out.

Yeah but here they are. Now what are we going to do with them?

51 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:41:49pm

re: #46 Gus 802

things seem to be cool running now.
I got the Applecare going on too. Never leave om without it.

52 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:41:57pm

re: #28 neocon hippie

I am just now learning about NESARA, mentioned on the last thread. Truly bizarre.

I've been too busy to hang out here too much but I saw something about it yesterday, I believe. Weird. Killgore has some links.

53 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:42:42pm

re: #49 Dustyvet

NO...Not do that to my Ham and Lima Beans....:)

I like lima beans too.

Just not on pizza.

54 rhino2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:43:07pm

re: #40 rawmuse

Ouch. At least you were able to back up your data, and if nothing else you'll get to enjoy that freshly-installed system snappyness for a little while.

55 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:43:16pm

re: #50 Gus 802

Yeah but here they are. Now what are we going to do with them?

take them back home and drop them off.......

/landing to do so optional. %-)

56 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:04pm

re: #48 redc1c4

a few more than 4 bodies, but not much more than an augmented squad per vessel.

The trick is to make sure they're trained military and onboard for as little time as possible.

/insurance rates and you'll have a hard time getting armed civilian ships into most ports

57 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:14pm

re: #51 rawmuse

things seem to be cool running now.
I got the Applecare going on too. Never leave om without it.

Lucky. Running a PC hear. Did start off with MACs in graphics a long time ago. Your case reminds me that I need to do a back up since if I had a hard drive crash I'd be in deep trouble.

58 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:44pm

Fill in the blank:
Twice in a half-hour interview, Holdren compared _____________________ to being "in a car with bad brakes driving toward a cliff in the fog."

a. the Obama economic program
b. proposed troop withdrawal from Iraq
c. global warming
d. Irish driving school

59 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:45:16pm

re: #45 redc1c4

Hey! Leave the GEICO Caveman out of this!

Oh...wait...you were referring to the Somali pirates.

60 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:45:43pm

re: #55 redc1c4

take them back home and drop them off.......

/landing to do so optional. %-)

Freefall!

Nah, that probably won't happen. My guess? They'll probably want to start funding these tribes. IOW, pay them off so they stop the pirate hijinks. Call it pirate welfare if you will.

61 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:07pm

i'm actually going in and doing some w*rk for HRH in the AM, so i think i'll call it a night........ there's plenty of fruitcup in the frig, and remember, the Fed announced that they don't see any improvement in the economy until maybe next year, so you might as well fill up. %-)

hasta, y'all....

L8r!

62 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:08pm

re: #57 Gus 802

I use Time Machine, it works great. I went back to my back up for yesterday and grabbed all my docs that would have gone poof.

63 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:15pm

re: #58 IslandLibertarian

Fill in the blank:
Twice in a half-hour interview, Holdren compared _____________________ to being "in a car with bad brakes driving toward a cliff in the fog."

a. the Obama economic program
b. proposed troop withdrawal from Iraq
c. global warming
d. Irish driving school

That's a no-brainer since I'm a little bit Irish.

64 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:16pm

Oops, running a PC HERE.

65 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:23pm

Well, if she weighs the same as a duck...

66 BignJames  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:26pm

re: #58 IslandLibertarian

I'll take C for 500 Alex.

67 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:05pm

re: #60 Gus 802

Freefall!

Nah, that probably won't happen. My guess? They'll probably want to start funding these tribes. IOW, pay them off so they stop the pirate hijinks. Call it pirate welfare if you will.

HANO qualification jump. %-)

68 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:15pm

re: #61 redc1c4

Nite, Red. I'm finally winding down too. Say hi to HRH.

69 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:54pm

Hey Fenway: The Skankees are oh and two. Make your day?

Makes mine. I'm a Mets fan.

70 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:48:55pm

re: #62 rawmuse

I use Time Machine, it works great. I went back to my back up for yesterday and grabbed all my docs that would have gone poof.

Glad it worked out. I had to do a reinstall early on and it fixed this box which was driving me crazy for several years. Did a complete format and reinstall. Since then it's been rather reliable and I've replaced or upgraded a few HW devices.

71 rhino2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:12pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Raid 1 for those of us too lazy to do manual backups and would rather just spend the $80 on another 750gb drive....got to love HDD pricing these days.

(Except these, but man do I want one.)

72 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:18pm

re: #69 tommygum

Makes me wonder if the O's are for real or if the Skankees are just that bad.

73 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:25pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

The trick is to make sure they're trained military and onboard for as little time as possible.

/insurance rates and you'll have a hard time getting armed civilian ships into most ports

hence my suggestion to use an MEU: trained Marines, with naval background/training, helicopter support for moving the teams, UAVs for tracking potential pirates, and CAS support. drop them off on ships as they approach the area, pull'em off when they leave. you could even make fae insertions, so anyone seeing a helicopter land on a ship would have to assume they dropped off a team.

74 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:43pm

re: #66 BignJames

I'll take C for 500 Alex.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!
You didn't form it as a question!

75 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:50:40pm

re: #72 Fenway_Nation

Makes me wonder if the O's are for real or if the Skankees are just that bad.

Methinks the latter.

76 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:09pm

re: #71 rhino2

Raid 1 for those of us too lazy to do manual backups and would rather just spend the $80 on another 750gb drive....got to love HDD pricing these days.

(Except these, but man do I want one.)

Looks nice. Last one's I've looked into were the Raptors. Got some regular old ATAs here though. Two 250 GB Western Digitals.

77 BignJames  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:13pm

re: #74 IslandLibertarian


Did you know deserts are dry?

78 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:53:07pm

Make that SATAs.

79 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:53:41pm

re: #62 rawmuse

What's that? You've doctors who are poofters? You've forgotten Rules nos. 1, 3, 5, and 7 of the University of Walamaloo.

80 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:53:47pm

Good night,lizards. I'm getting up at "'0 dark thirty". See everyone tomorrow sometime. Take care, everybody.

81 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:53:59pm

re: #80 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good night,lizards. I'm getting up at "'0 dark thirty". See everyone tomorrow sometime. Take care, everybody.

Have a good one.

82 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:03pm

re: #75 tommygum

Methinks the latter.

Tell me you didn't see this coming with all the offseason hysterics following the signings of Burnett, Sabathia and Teixera...

83 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:08pm

Rawmuse,

Any particular reason you went to Leopard? Running Tiger on 3 machines here and happy, but never heard of that issue when running Leopard. Are you sure you clicked "archive and install" instead of a fresh install?

84 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:10pm

And as long as were talking putting U.S. military on ships to ride shotgun through Indian country, keep in mind that this was a U.S. flagged vessel. Seeing as how U.S. flagged vessels, unless the owner is an insane glutton for paying taxes, are as rare as unicorns, we're talking about defending about one ship so far. Are we going to defend foreign flagged vessels with Marines?

/no owner in their right mind flags a ship in the U.S.

85 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:55:03pm

Awesome....more Siouxsie & The Banshees on XM.

/How many 80s channels do they have, anyway?

86 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:55:21pm

re: #77 BignJames

Did you know deserts are dry?

Except when it rains?.....
well get this:
Another geoengineering option he mentioned was the use of so-called artificial trees to suck carbon dioxide — the chief human-caused greenhouse gas — out of the air and store it.

87 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:55:24pm

re: #77 BignJames

Did you know deserts are dry?

Unless I'm mistaken that's been the historical climate in Australia for 1000s of years. I don't get it.

88 BignJames  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:56:56pm

re: #86 IslandLibertarian

Except when it rains?.....
well get this:
Another geoengineering option he mentioned was the use of so-called artificial trees to suck carbon dioxide — the chief human-caused greenhouse gas — out of the air and store it.

What the hell's wrong w/real trees?

89 pink freud  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:56:58pm

re: #80 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good night,lizards. I'm getting up at "'0 dark thirty". See everyone tomorrow sometime. Take care, everybody.

I hope everything turns out fine tomorrow, PBJ. Sleep well.

90 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:56:59pm

re: #83 astronmr20

Long story, but I went to Leopard mainly for Time Machine, and some apps I use have some features only available on Leopard.

First attempt was an OS upgrade, but like I said, that went poorly, other than the fact that I had some good Time Machine backups.

Did you know that Leopard can compile multiple pdf docs and join them together in to one doc?
Very cool. I use the heck out of that alone.

91 rhino2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:58:11pm

re: #76 Gus 802

Yeah I wasn't too excited by SSDs for awhile, their performance was just terrible in most real-world situations. Turns out this was mainly the fault of controllers from JMicron that all the manufacturers were using (and some still do - buyer beware). But when Intel released their drives with their own controller, the game changed. Those Intel drives are screaming fast, and now other manufacturers are starting to catch up.

This is a great article if you're interested at all in the geeky-ness behind the SSDs that are around now.

92 BignJames  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:58:35pm

re: #87 Gus 802

Unless I'm mistaken that's been the historical climate in Australia for 1000s of years. I don't get it.


Neither do the AGW zealots.

93 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:58:38pm

I mean there's a good reason that this was the first U.S. flagged merchant vessel to be attacked by pirates in over 200 years.

/there just aren't any

94 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:58:52pm

re: #88 BignJames

What the hell's wrong w/real trees?

There's no money in the stimulus package for real trees.

95 BignJames  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:00:14am

re: #94 IslandLibertarian

There's no money in the stimulus package for real trees.


Figures.....

96 hazzyday  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:00:29am

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't give a damn, put it on a pizza and I'll try to eat it. Hell, put it between two slices of bread and I'll try to eat it. With some exceptions of course.

Though I tend to agree, zucchini on a pizza doesn't sound like a good match.

I had a grocery store chef sell me a slice of sauerkraut pizza once with mustard as the sauce. It was like someone slapped me with a brick.

97 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:00:40am

re: #90 rawmuse

Long story, but I went to Leopard mainly for Time Machine, and some apps I use have some features only available on Leopard.

First attempt was an OS upgrade, but like I said, that went poorly, other than the fact that I had some good Time Machine backups.

Did you know that Leopard can compile multiple pdf docs and join them together in to one doc?
Very cool. I use the heck out of that alone.

Read through some of the new features and the list was very long. Some cool stuff.

I'll agree that no computer is perfect, but as the director of i.t./ ops for 25 locations as my day job, there's a reason I run macs at home. When I get home from work, I don't want to have to work on computers anymore! I want them to simply run.. and they do. Just as snappy as they day I bought them.

98 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:01:22am

re: #92 BignJames

Neither do the AGW zealots.

I've been thinking. Humans evolve right? Now, if this is supposed to take place slowly aren't we going to adapt to fit the changing climate? Doesn't warmer weather mean less heating requirements? We gain some we lose some. How hot will it get? Climate has changed in the history of Earth some of it beyond the control of technology. Are we attempting to fight a losing battle? Will we make things worse by trying to control it?

Too many questions.

99 rhino2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:01:24am

re: #96 hazzyday

I had a grocery store chef sell me a slice of sauerkraut pizza once with mustard as the sauce. It was like someone slapped me with a brick.

I'm at a loss for words...

100 mockery jones  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:01:44am

re: #20 redc1c4

i can think of an easy military fix to severely reduce piracy. station a USMC MEU in the area, and randomly assign a squad or so of Marines to ships transiting the area.

the pirates come along side and try to board, the Marines kill them and sink the boats, and the ship goes on it's way..... seems simple enough to me.

I'd like to think that would work but i wonder how many marines would be required to seed enough ships to make a difference.

I'd like to know if there is any talk among the major shipping companies about convoying through problem areas like the Gulf of Aden. It might help them maximize what protection they get from the naval assets in the active piracy zones, even if it does play hell with shipping schedules. Who knows though, maybe 10 oil tankers gathered together just make a more tempting target rather than a daunting one.

101 BignJames  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:02:23am

re: #96 hazzyday

I had a grocery store chef sell me a slice of sauerkraut pizza once with mustard as the sauce. It was like someone slapped me with a brick.


I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you....honest.

102 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:02:24am

re: #91 rhino2

Thanks. I'll have to catch up when I'm finally able to get a nice gaming machine.

103 rhino2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:02:38am

re: #97 astronmr20

As do my PCs, I think it works that way for a lot of techs, most PC problems tend to be user-oriented.

104 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:03:42am

re: #97 astronmr20

I had a big project that is now done. Took me about 90 days. Got 'er done, backed up, multiple times, got paid. Had a lull in the action, so I went for it.

BUT Never do an upgrade in the middle of a project. This was a whole day out of my life, it would have sunk me otherwise.

105 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:03:46am

Anyone here from Minneapolis? When on business there, I am always sure to visit a spot called Pizza Luce.

They have garlic mashed potato pizza. It sounds unfortunate, but is incredibly delicious.

106 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:04:24am

hasta la manana, Lizards!

107 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:04:31am

re: #94 IslandLibertarian

There's no money in the stimulus package for real trees.


That's because of all the trees that were chopped down to make the paper which that particular boondoggle was written on...

108 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:04:53am

re: #104 rawmuse

I had a big project that is now done. Took me about 90 days. Got 'er done, backed up, multiple times, got paid. Had a lull in the action, so I went for it.

BUT Never do an upgrade in the middle of a project. This was a whole day out of my life, it would have sunk me otherwise.

Exactly.

109 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:05:24am

re: #106 rawmuse

hasta la manana, Lizards!

Have a good one.

110 BignJames  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:06:06am

re: #98 Gus 802

You know the Sahara used to be an inhabited area.......what caused it to become desert? Could it be....climate change?

111 rhino2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:06:12am

re: #106 rawmuse

hasta la manana, Lizards!

Sleep well!

112 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:06:51am

re: #110 BignJames

You know the Sahara used to be an inhabited area.......what caused it to become desert? Could it be....climate change?

It was. Sort of like what got us out of that damn ice age.

113 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:07:08am

Here it is...

Garlic Mashed potato pizza from Pizza Luce:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

114 rhino2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:08:02am

re: #113 astronmr20

Here it is...

Garlic Mashed potato pizza from Pizza Luce:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

I will say this: it at least looks delicious.

115 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:08:43am

re: #110 BignJames

You know the Sahara used to be an inhabited area.......what caused it to become desert? Could it be....climate change?

Plus, what will happen if we start messing around with the climate as was being tossed about today? Who's to say they can even do that right. That would basically be a one shot deal. We could make matters worse if there's a even a natural warming cycle.

116 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:09:01am

re: #114 rhino2

I will say this: it at least looks delicious.

Indeed it is. Being Italian, I was quite skeptical until I tried it.

117 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:09:07am

re: #98 Gus 802

Are we attempting to fight a losing battle? Will we make things worse by trying to control it?

Too many questions.

Google "geoengineering".

118 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:10:59am

re: #44 Pvt Bin Jammin

I really can't talk about it and I got no information of any kind but one of the jarheads that I adopted was in the MEU and we had an ongoing joke about the pirates. I'd say "watch out for pirates" and he'd say "what's your solution".

What is the solution? What kind of international, maritime laws are we bound by? I don't feel like looking for the link right now but I think the Indian Navy went after some of those a**holes. Good on India.

Seems to me, with pirates, the answer is to simply kill all of them. Dead men tell no tales. And sharks need love, too.

119 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:12:38am

re: #117 freetoken

Google "geoengineering".

Thanks. I think that's a risky proposition. I know the idea was tossed around about making Mars habitable which I think was started by Asimov. I forgot the name they gave that.

120 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:12:51am

re: #118 Alberta Oil Peon

Seems to me, with pirates, the answer is to simply kill all of them. Dead men tell no tales. And sharks need love, too.


Is it Shark Week on LGF?

121 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:13:55am

Terraforming?

122 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:14:52am

The Catlin polar ice expedition is in dire straits, and REALLY needs to get airlifted out before they die:

[Link: wattsupwiththat.com...]

If they die, the blood is on England's stupid inbred "prince," who continues to jaunt around to events all over the globe in his private jet.

123 BignJames  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:15:04am

re: #118 Alberta Oil Peon

I heard (somewhere) today that a lot of the pirates support was coming from Yemen (read alQueda) and that they get the lions share of any ransoms paid.

124 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:17:35am

re: #123 BignJames

I heard (somewhere) today that a lot of the pirates support was coming from Yemen (read alQueda) and that they get the lions share of any ransoms paid.

Hmmm. Tripoli, anyone?

125 rhino2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:17:42am

Well, bedtime for me. Goodnight fellow Lizards!

126 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:18:45am

Obama science advisor advocates climate engineering

In an interview with the Associated Press, John Holdren, President Obama’s newly confirmed science advisor, discussed the possibility of ‘climate engineering’ to battle global warming. The radical and somewhat controversial technology would require an extraordinary intervention by man in an attempt to purposely influence the climate.

Mr. Holdren feels however the dangers of climate change could leave Earth with little choice. He is quoted as saying, “It's got to be looked at. We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table."

Youtube Video

/the world's survived an ice free arctic and Greenland is called that for a reason

127 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:21:26am

re: #121 Gus 802

Terraforming?

"Geoengineering" appears to have risen to the top of the lexical pile.

128 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:21:54am

re: #126 Killian Bundy

Obama science advisor advocates climate engineering

[Video]

/the world's survived an ice free arctic and Greenland is called that for a reason

Right, and how long did the Big Dig take? How long does it take to pave a road in an urban environment? Talk about getting ahead of ourselves.

129 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:22:28am

re: #126 Killian Bundy

Obama science advisor advocates climate engineering

[Video]/the world's survived an ice free arctic and Greenland is called that for a reason

Speaking in all seriousness, I would say that the chances of getting world-wide agreement on trying such a silly stunt are slim and none. And for any nation to unilaterally attempt to change the climate of the entire planet would be tantamount to an act of war.

Understand, I'm not talking about things like cloud seeding to induce rain or to avert hailstorms, things which have a merely local effect.

130 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:22:58am

re: #127 freetoken

"Geoengineering" appears to have risen to the top of the lexical pile.

As in lexicon? Buzzwords and acronyms.

"Because at the end of the day, our only choice may very well be Geoengineering."

131 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:23:04am

re: #126 Killian Bundy


/the world's survived an ice free arctic and Greenland is called that for a reason


Don't give up your day job....

132 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:23:37am

re: #128 Gus 802

Right, and how long did the Big Dig take? How long does it take to pave a road in an urban environment? Talk about getting ahead of ourselves.

/IMO, it's just arrogant to think human beings can successfully control the Earth's climate

133 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:26:12am

re: #132 Killian Bundy

/IMO, it's just arrogant to think human beings can successfully control the Earth's climate

I think it's naive. We're not at that stage technologically. Nor at we that stage economically. Better that they start implementing alternative fuel sources than even attempting this at this stage of the game. Now, if they want to make a Manhattan Project out of this that's out of my control since my congressmen don't listen to me anyway.

134 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:26:47am

Doesn't that is. PIMF

135 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:27:59am

re: #131 freetoken

Don't give up your day job....

Temperatures are rising on Mars too.

/the Sun giveth, the Sun taketh away

136 neocon hippie  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:29:22am

re: #31 rawmuse

Yes I did. Total bizarreness. And some of these folks are organizing some of the tea parties?

137 BignJames  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:29:54am

re: #133 Gus 802

I think it's naive. We're not at that stage technologically. Nor at we that stage economically. Better that they start implementing alternative fuel sources than even attempting this at this stage of the game. Now, if they want to make a Manhattan Project out of this that's out of my control since my congressmen don't listen to me anyway.

Makes beer prices increase.

138 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:30:00am

re: #135 Killian Bundy

Temperatures are rising on Mars too.

/the Sun giveth, the Sun taketh away

Plus, I hate to put a damper on things, life and species are finite as is shown in the fossil record. Ironic as that is the study of evolution has shown this to be the case. Not all species survive.

139 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:31:56am

re: #137 BignJames

Makes beer prices increase.

I knew they didn't learn. Ethanol competes with agricultural production. This was pointed out last year. Not only does it compete with food supplies but it competes with water supplies.

Don't worry though. The government will figure this all out.

140 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:34:13am

re: #135 Killian Bundy

Temperatures are rising on Mars too.

/the Sun giveth, the Sun taketh away

Stick with law.

141 Xenobyte  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:35:29am

Hey, love those two cows political philosophies! - Here's one closer to home:

Islamism: You have two cows and your imam calls down the local lynch mob on you because that's two female animals, unescorted by a male, so that's a grave sin and thus your cows get massacred and you get stoned for supporting this sin.

And another new one:

European Democracy: You have two cows and the government want half for taxes, thus takes one away. Next year they still want half and take half the remaining cow, leaving the half-cow to rot. Next year you get audited because you went from 0.5 cow to zero cows with no receipts or invoices documenting why, and anyone caught with tax issues must have been cheating. You then get fined two cows as penalty and have to borrow those from a cow lender, and after having paid those you still have zero cows and now owes the cow lender two cows...

142 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:43:43am

re: #140 freetoken

Stick with law.

Okay.

/still, pretty hard to manipulate the global climate with precision or assurance of the consequences when there's no computer model that can accurately predict anything other than the most basic weather patterns days in advance

143 BignJames  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:46:10am

re: #142 Killian Bundy

Okay.

/still, pretty hard to manipulate the global climate with precision or assurance of the consequences when there's no computer model that can accurately predict anything other than the most basic weather patterns days in advance


with 50-70% accuracy?

144 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:46:19am

Well, we're not doing anything about energy on either end. Neither with fossil fuels or alternative fuels. Ethanol is not a valid solution but there are other. I'm by nature a sceptic on both ends of the AGW argument. However, I think the best solution would be a 50/50 approach in which we apply both alternatives equally.

Given that we haven't done much of anything on what we have available now I'm not very optimistic but that's in my nature.

145 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:47:56am

My favorite Asimov quote:

"People are entirely too disbelieving of coincidence. They are far too ready to dismiss it and to build arcane structures of extremely rickety substance in order to avoid it. I, on the other hand, see coincidence everywhere as an inevitable consequence of the laws of probability, according to which having no unusual coincidence is far more unusual than any coincidence could possibly be."
146 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:48:03am

re: #142 Killian Bundy

Okay.

/still, pretty hard to manipulate the global climate with precision or assurance of the consequences when there's no computer model that can accurately predict anything other than the most basic weather patterns days in advance

That would be a good start. They can try and "control" tornados. Ironically the end result might be catastrophe because tornado are an integral part of the environment.

147 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:48:30am

re: #143 BignJames

with 50-70% accuracy?

/and Obama/Biden making the overarching decisions on things like seeding the atmosphere

148 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:49:57am

re: #147 Killian Bundy

/and Obama/Biden making the overarching decisions on things like seeding the atmosphere

That reminds me of China. Kind of fitting actually.

149 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:52:29am

Slow morning. Had an idea. What about closing all public viewing of comments at LGF? Only viewable by registered members.

Good idea or bad idea?

150 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:53:51am

re: #149 Gus 802

Slow morning. Had an idea. What about closing all public viewing of comments at LGF? Only viewable by registered members.

Good idea or bad idea?

If no one but members could read the comments, how would new members be induced to join, not having read any of the comments? ;-)>

151 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:54:41am

re: #150 Outrider

If no one but members could read the comments, how would new members be induced to join, not having read any of the comments? ;-)>

Yeah. Then it would be an essentially silent site.

152 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:55:02am

Gus,

Why?

153 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:56:09am

besides, if no one except registered users could read the comments, how could Charles get all those nasty E-mails concerning not only his commentary, but the readers comments as well? ;-)>

154 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:57:07am

re: #151 Gus 802

Yeah. Then it would be an essentially silent site.

In that case, it might as well be an E-mail forum or closed chat room.

155 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:57:20am

re: #152 littleoldlady

Gus,

Why?

I don't know. It's probably two fold. I though maybe it would cut down on the stalkers viewing and my own personal misgivings. Was just a partial idea I had which is why I asked.

156 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:59:33am

re: #140 freetoken

I'm all for a solution if you think bioengineering will work. God speed. It's just we can't even stop hurricanes, let alone predict where they'll make landfall ahead of time.

/if there's even a climate problem that humans primarily cause

157 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:59:37am

re: #155 Gus 802

Are you being stalked?

158 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:00:03am

So, being inspired by Kilgore's relentless searching of the TeaParty sites, I checked out a few of the self proclaimed Beck-ian "We Surround Them" meetup boards, to see what the hot items of discussion turn out to be....

Pretty easy to guess, I suppose, but at least they are not hiding it:

[Link: www.meetup.com...]

Join us for a group recruitment presentation of the Delaware chapter of the John Birch Society where we will be showing the 45 minute video: Money, Banking & The Federal Reserve produced by the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

[Link: www.meetup.com...]

If you want to know America's fate if Islam succeeds, take a good look at the earthquake that just occurred in Italy and the the tsunami that occured in Indonesia, as an example of the like, then check out suras 84 to 100 of the Quran. Because that is the process that brought on the tsunami in Indonesia and the earthquake in Italy. The worst part of it, is by the time that process reaches America, It's going to make Italy's earthquake look like child's play, in other words, America will be too dead to recover due to the spreading that's occuring now in our crusts, a 'natural' disaster in the making.

... and so on and so forth.

I wonder what would be posted on LGF if Charles just stopped moderating for a day or two....

159 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:00:45am

re: #154 Outrider

In that case, it might as well be an E-mail forum or closed chat room.

That wouldn't be very good in the end. I've been reading LGF since probably 2004 and didn't join until last year. It's amazing how people have such a wrong conception of LGF, Charles, and its members.

160 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:00:58am

stalkers and lurkers are no biggie. And quite a few lurkers are merely waiting for an open registration.

Lots of people merely want to read what other peoples opinions are. A lot of commenters here provide an awful lot of factual detail and links to back up or argue Charles. All worth putting out to lurkers and stalkers, as well as members.

161 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:01:04am

re: #157 littleoldlady

Are you being stalked?

No. :)

162 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:04:08am

re: #159 Gus 802

That wouldn't be very good in the end. I've been reading LGF since probably 2004 and didn't join until last year. It's amazing how people have such a wrong conception of LGF, Charles, and its members.

Only those, I believe, that view the contents with a closed mind. Those who come here looking for crap or comments out of context will usually find what they are looking for.

163 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:05:40am

re: #161 Gus 802

That's good. :-)

/always be careful about posting personal information on the internet
//Jewish mother mode off

I remember when Jewish mother mode was "Put on a sweater - I'm cold!"

;-)

164 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:05:43am

re: #160 Outrider

stalkers and lurkers are no biggie. And quite a few lurkers are merely waiting for an open registration.

/by the way, it's damn near impossible to comment on your blog without giving up your shoe size and even that didn't work, ease up on the security

165 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:06:19am

re: #163 littleoldlady

That's good. :-)

/always be careful about posting personal information on the internet
//Jewish mother mode off

I remember when Jewish mother mode was "Put on a sweater - I'm cold!"

;-)

Mothers in general isn't it? ;-)>

166 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:07:18am

re: #162 Outrider

Only those, I believe, that view the contents with a closed mind. Those who come here looking for crap or comments out of context will usually find what they are looking for.

Yes. You actually have to follow the threads too. Which means they should not pick out one comment since it has the flow of a conversation.

167 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:08:23am

re: #164 Killian Bundy

/by the way, it's damn near impossible to comment on your blog without giving up your shoe size and even that didn't work, ease up on the security

name, e-mail address, and security code are all that are required I thought. The only think I can eliminate is the name and people can enter any dang thing they want really.

168 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:08:42am

re: #163 littleoldlady

That's good. :-)

/always be careful about posting personal information on the internet
//Jewish mother mode off

I remember when Jewish mother mode was "Put on a sweater - I'm cold!"

;-)

:) I try to be careful about that. Have been for years other than some professionally oriented venues.

169 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:10:04am

re: #166 Gus 802

Yes. You actually have to follow the threads too. Which means they should not pick out one comment since it has the flow of a conversation.

you can never stop "cherry pickers". But they are also easily identified as such when you read their writings.

170 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:12:57am

re: #164 Killian Bundy

/by the way, it's damn near impossible to comment on your blog without giving up your shoe size and even that didn't work, ease up on the security

The only thing I have you don't is the security code and there is no way to circumvent it; the provider mandates it.

171 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:13:26am

re: #169 Outrider

you can never stop "cherry pickers". But they are also easily identified as such when you read their writings.

True. I should know better since cherry picking is the name of the game. I even do it sometimes but only on public figures.

172 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:13:34am

re: #165 Outrider

Mothers in general isn't it? ;-)>

Only those who take courses at The Jewish Mother School.

/...you don't have to be Jewish ;-)

A Jewish boy comes home from school and tells his mother that he's been cast in the school play.

"That's wonderful. What part do you have?" she asks.

The boy says, "I'm playing the part of the Jewish husband!"

The mother scowls and says, "Go back and tell the teacher you want a speaking part."

173 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:21:53am

re: #156 Killian Bundy

bioengineering

/geoengineering, my bad, instead of pumping dirt into the stratosphere, why don't we just use existing nuclear weapons to blow out major volcanoes, Obama gets to disarm and save the world from global warming, win win for him

174 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:22:17am

re: #170 Outrider

The only thing I have you don't is the security code and there is no way to circumvent it; the provider mandates it.

/I'll try again

175 Gus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:26:54am

Bye Littleoldlady, Outrider, Killian, Freetoken.

176 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:27:21am

Fenway's Nightly Precious Metals Update:

Gold- $882.20 an ounce (up 0.02%)
Silver- $12.29 an ounce (up 0.02%)
Platinum- $1203 an ounce (up 2.32%)
Palladium- $234 an ounce (up 1.28%)

177 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:28:49am

Bye? Leaving before fruitcup?!

'Night, Gus! :-)

178 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:35:05am

What's Palladium, Fenway?

/I only know it as a club in New York

179 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:36:53am

re: #175 Gus 802

'night Gus... don't let the 'nirthers bite...

180 Outrider  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:37:24am

g'night all

181 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:37:36am

re: #178 littleoldlady

What's Palladium, Fenway?

/I only know it as a club in New York

I guess it's time for a review of the elements, including palladium:

Youtube Video
182 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:39:43am

Fenway's Nightly Overseas Market update:

Australia's All Ordinaries- up 1.4%

Shanghai Composite- up 1.38%

Singapore's Straits Times- up 1.92%

Johannesburg JSE Limited- up 1.09%

Hang Seng- up 2.95%

KOSPI Seoul Composite- up 4.3%

Mumbai's SENSEX- up 0.12%

Taiwan Weighted- up 4.12%

Nikkei- up 3.74%

New Zealand's NZSE50- up 0.09%

Tel Aviv's TA100 Index is closed for Passover.

So at first blush, the Asian/Pacific Rim/African markets are having a day that ranges from 'OK' to 'VERY good'...

183 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:40:05am

re: #175 Gus 802

Bye Littleoldlady, Outrider, Killian, Freetoken.

re: #180 Outrider

g'night all

Good nightm Gus and Outrider!

184 abolitionist  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:43:09am

re: #178 littleoldlady

What's Palladium, Fenway?

/I only know it as a club in New York

It's a heavy metal, used in very small amounts, along with Platinum, in catalytic converters in motor vehicles. It promotes conversion of some oxides of nitrogen into less harmful gases.

185 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:44:21am

re: #178 littleoldlady

It's also a nightclub in Christchurch New Zealand.

Without reading gmsc's wiki link, it's sort of a 'poor man's platinum' and is used in electronics and jewelry.

Might also be used in catalytic converters, but I'm going to resist the temptation to scroll through that wiki entry.

186 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:44:47am

gmsc! :-)

WOW! That chart got bigger since I was in high school!

/back in the Dark Ages...

Einsteinium?!

187 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:44:59am

re: #182 Fenway_Nation

So at first blush, the Asian/Pacific Rim/African markets are having a day that ranges from 'OK' to 'VERY good'...

Whatever happens in the U.S. today is going to be on extremely low volume.

/everybody's on vacation

188 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:46:21am

re: #185 Fenway_Nation

Might also be used in catalytic converters, but I'm going to resist the temptation to scroll through that wiki entry.

/copper, copper's where it's at

189 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:46:49am

'Night, Outrider! :-)

190 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:48:17am

re: #187 Killian Bundy

/everybody's on vacation

Yeah, the SMART ones left home and checked into a Kosher hotel for Passover.

/vacation, my arse.

191 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:48:46am

re: #186 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

WOW! That chart got bigger since I was in high school!

/back in the Dark Ages...

Einsteinium?!

Yep - it's grown a little since I was in school.

Einsteinium is one of those elements you'll never find in a natural setting. It's only been artificially created in small amounts, and is really only found as a by-product of other reactions. Unless you need something radioactive and consider uranium and plutonium too commonplace, you'll never really need to know much about it.

192 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:50:15am

re: #186 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

I'm still on the mend, but since I couldn't get to sleep, I thought I'd come in for a sort of "drive by" fruiting.

193 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:53:16am

re: #191 gmsc

Unless you need something radioactive...

EXACTLY what I need for my matzoh ball recipe!

;-)

194 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:54:09am

re: #192 gmsc

Jeepers! You've been sick for a while now. What did you have?

/and is it contagious?

195 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:56:18am

Israel Steps It Up

On Tuesday, word came that the Manhattan district attorney’s office had smashed a plot to smuggle nuclear weapons materials to Iran through unwitting New York banks. A 118-count indictment accuses Chinese financier Lei Feng Wei of setting up fake companies to hide that he was selling millions of dollars in potential nuclear materials to Tehran.

As the New York Daily News reports, among the materials involved were 33,000 pounds of a specialized aluminum alloy used almost exclusively in long-range missile production, 66,000 pounds of tungsten copper plate used in missile guidance systems, and 53,900 pounds of maraging steel rods, a super-hard metal used in uranium enrichment and to make the casings for nuclear bombs.

We have commented on Iran’s cooperation with North Korea on missile technology. The pledge by Iran’s mad Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to wipe Israel off the map remains in full force.

Unlike the U.S., Israel is moving full speed ahead on missile defense, and even if Iran’s missile threat went away tomorrow, Israel’s determination to defend itself would not.

The Israelis aren’t waiting for missile defense to be proven “cost-effective.” They know the cost of defending themselves against nuclear missile attack pales in comparison to the cost of losing a nation.

As Lei’s indictment was announced, the Israeli air force conducted its 17th test, a successful one, of its newly upgraded Arrow 2 missile defense system. It hit a Blue Sparrow missile, modified to mimic an incoming Iranian Shahab-3 missile, fired from an F-15.

The test was conducted jointly by the IAF and the U.S. Missile Defense Agency. It was the first Arrow test in conjunction with a highpowered American X-band radar deployed in Israel’s Negev desert. X-band was a parting gift to Israel from President Bush.

The Jerusalem Post reports that an Arrow interceptor was launched from the Palmahim air base after the target missile was detected. The target missile carried a multiple warhead with radarevading capabilities that Iran does not possess.

Iran is working hard to improve its missile capabilities. In November, it successfully test-fired the Sajjil, a solid-fueled high-speed missile with a range of 1,250 miles. It recently showed its global reach with the launching of its Omid satellite.

In January 2007, Germany’s Bild magazine reported that Iran had bought 18 BM-25 land-mobile missiles from North Korea. The BM-25 is a variation of the Russian SS-N-6 submarine-launched ballistic missile, with a range of 1,800 miles.

According to Uzi Rubin, former head of the Arrow anti-missile program, the BM-25 “is a nuclear missile. . . . There is no other warhead for this other than a nuclear warhead.”

The Arrow project is being jointly developed by Israel Aerospace Industries and Chicago-based Boeing, which recently saw its airborne laser missile-defense system put on hold. Several operational Arrow missile batteries have already been deployed.

“This was the most advanced version of the Arrow weapons system in terms of the ability to perform the type of intercept that would be necessary to destroy a ballistic missile target,” said Rick Lehner, a spokesman for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency.

Israel has now “deployed a layered defense,” he added. This is something the U.S. needs but which recent budget cuts prevent.

Israel is also developing a defense against short-range Katyusha and Qassam rockets called Iron Dome, which uses an early-warning system known as Red Dawn.

While the U.S. dawdles on its own missile defense, Israel isn’t waiting until its enemies’ missiles are proven and cost-effective.

/and they call IBD a financial newspaper

196 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:56:23am

re: #42 Salem

People should at least prefer to have evidence of a phenomenon before believing it, right?

Some insist on anecdotal. ;p

197 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:56:45am

re: #194 littleoldlady

Jeepers! You've been sick for a while now. What did you have?

/and is it contagious?

Just a cough. I really only noticed I was getting it Monday.

198 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:57:30am

Fenway's Overseas Market Update (Just the Muslim countries now!)-

Dubai's ADX- up 1.04%

Egypt's EGX30- up 1.82%

Jordan's ASE Weighted- down 0.26%

Looks like the exchanges in Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur are closed for today.

199 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:59:06am

re: #194 littleoldlady
Aaargh ... i'm Late to the thread, and the Fruitcup's all gone ...
/Unless there's a secret stash somewhere ?

200 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:59:39am

re: #199 Pass The Moonbaticide


Aaargh ... i'm Late to the thread, and the Fruitcup's all gone ...
/Unless there's a secret stash somewhere ?

Once again, you're actually early!

201 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:59:40am

I was made to listen to a BBC radio report about the poor suffering in gaza. I wanted to puke.

202 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:00:10am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

203 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:00:36am

re: #202 littleoldlady

Thanks, {lol}

204 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:00:36am

re: #202 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

Yummy! This will help me get better.
:)

205 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:01:06am

re: #197 gmsc

Well TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!

/we need you to do our math for us! ;-)

{gmsc}!

206 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:01:49am

re: #200 gmsc
Phew ! Just in time ...

I'll never get the hang of these time zone dufferences !
I thought I was an hour late.

207 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:02:12am

Pass The Moonbaticide! :-)

Somebody buy that man a CLOCK!

Sharmuta! :-)

208 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:02:41am

re: #206 Pass The Moonbaticide


Phew ! Just in time ...

I'll never get the hang of these time zone dufferences !
I thought I was an hour late.

You should've been here the night we switched to Daylight Savings Time! No one knew when to expect fruitcup!

209 BignJames  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:03:01am

re: #201 Sharmuta

I was made to listen to a BBC radio report about the poor suffering in gaza. I wanted to puke.


Someone hold a gun to your head? Kidnap a loved one?

210 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:03:18am

re: #205 littleoldlady

Well TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!

/we need you to do our math for us! ;-)

{gmsc}!

I took some Delsym with my fruitcup.

211 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:03:44am

Woo-Hah! I'm enjoying fruitcup in Kabul! The time here is 1333 (odd, that), Thursday.

212 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:04:01am

re: #201 Sharmuta
YOU can avoid it.
WE can't ... and have to pay for this crap under penalty .

Swap you any time.

213 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:04:03am

re: #202 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

Good morning :)

214 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:04:45am

haakon! OMG! Where have you BEEN?!

215 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:05:01am

The Californication of Nevada is beginning. :(

Lawmakers Propose Plastic Grocery Bag Tax

If some state lawmakers get their way, it won't be paper or plastic anymore at the grocery store. A bill now before the state Labor and Commerce Committee calls for a temporary tax and eventually an outright ban on plastic grocery bags.

If Senate Bill 397 passes, customers who use plastic bags for their groceries will have to pay an additional 10 cents per bag at the checkout stand starting in October.

The idea behind the tax is to discourage customers from using non-biodegradable bags now piling up in landfills. The proposed measure would also establish a clean-up fund to pay for the proper disposal of the bags still being used.

216 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:05:31am

re: #208 gmsc

Nor when to serve it. ;-)

Hiya, Matrix! :-)

217 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:05:55am

Morning Matrix, Moonbaticide & haakondahl!

218 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:06:31am

re: #202 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

Hmmmm... berry delicious...

219 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:06:35am

re: #205 littleoldlady

Well TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!

/we need you to do our math for us! ;-)

{gmsc}!

What lol said.

220 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:07:27am

re: #215 gmsc
They already have this tax in the Republic of Ireland.
It's about 10p ($0.15 or so) per bag.

221 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:07:41am

re: #205 littleoldlady

Well TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!

/we need you to do our math for us! ;-)

{gmsc}!

re: #219 Sharmuta

What lol said.

Awww . . . you two are two of the good ones!

I hug you back, but I'm probably still contagious.

222 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:07:46am

Morning, Haak.

223 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:08:31am

re: #214 littleoldlady

haakon! OMG! Where have you BEEN?!

Oh, you know. Here and there.

224 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:09:06am

When I'm president (which will be never) gmsc will be at Treasury and I think I'll put Iron Fist at the State Department. :p

225 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:09:06am

re: #220 Pass The Moonbaticide


They already have this tax in the Republic of Ireland.
It's about 10p ($0.15 or so) per bag.

As part of the Nevada bill, there will be an eventual ban, which means the politicians would eventually have to give up the money from that tax. Politicians voluntarily giving up tax money? That's not going to happen.

226 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:09:42am

re: #218 freetoken

freetoken! :-)

Where do you find that great stuff?

/saved for avatar use
//after Passover

227 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:10:00am

re: #216 littleoldlady

Nor when to serve it. ;-)

Hiya, Matrix! :-)

**sigh**, The Braves blew a 7 run lead in the bottom of the 7th to the Filthies yesterday! (today still, for me :))

re: #217 Fenway_Nation

Morning Matrix, Moonbaticide & haakondahl!

Mornin, buddy!

228 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:10:17am

re: #224 Sharmuta

When I'm president (which will be never) gmsc will be at Treasury and I think I'll put Iron Fist at the State Department. :p

Works for me! I'll get the Treasury back on it's feet (which will also be never).
;)

229 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:10:28am

Morning, LOL, Fenway, Shar.


I'm about halfway through my Afghanistan hitch. I don't get to login too much. I actually have a cellphone I can use to hit this site when I'm at my normal site, but it's awfully cumbersome for commenting.

230 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:10:30am

re: #217 Fenway_Nation
... and Good Morning to you .

PS Anybody know if Charles has considered reopening the Lizard Lounge yet ? If any Lizard here could make their Nic Blue, I'd like to try a test of the Lizard Email facility.

231 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:11:08am

re: #224 Sharmuta

When I'm president (which will be never) gmsc will be at Treasury and I think I'll put Iron Fist at the State Department. :p

Ooh! Ooh! Dibs on DoD!

232 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:12:35am

In other news, we aren't too much like Californians in Nevada yet.

One casino has a great deal – if you hit a royal flush on their video poker machines, you not only win the standard jackpot, you also get a coupon for a free Smith & Wesson handgun!

233 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:13:21am

re: #232 gmsc

In other news, we aren't too much like Californians in Nevada yet.

One casino has a great deal – if you hit a royal flush on their video poker machines, you not only win the standard jackpot, you also get a coupon for a free Smith & Wesson handgun!

Is that so you can make it from the curb to the car?

234 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:13:48am

re: #231 haakondahl

For cracking me up so bad the other day, you got it big guy.

235 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:14:14am

re: #226 littleoldlady

Where do you find that great stuff?

In your kitchen, of course!

/must now go to bed... it was very tiring day, flushing out all the Birchers and all....

236 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:14:25am

re: #223 haakondahl

Oh, you know. Here and there.

Not HERE when I am!

/hope all is well :-)

237 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:14:40am

re: #232 gmsc
Is that so you can protect yourself on the way home with bulging pockets ?

238 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:15:20am

'Night, freetoken! :-)

239 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:16:32am

re: #227 TheMatrix31

We don't pay too much attention to the beginning of the season around here.

/otherwise we'd be OMGding every day ;-)

240 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:16:38am

re: #233 haakondahl

Is that so you can make it from the curb to the car?

Actually, the casinos doing this are on the good side of town.

BTW, correction – it's 2 Royal Flushes in 30 days.

Las Vegas Bar Giving Away a Gun

A Las Vegas bar is giving away a gun to anyone who wins two Royal Flushes in video poker in 30 days.

O'Aces Bar & Grill is holding the promotion at all three locations in Las Vegas. The owner says he wanted to have a contest that would get people talking.

"Every month we have new promos and this is an idea we came out with to really shock everyone, for shock value," said Jason Woywod, owner of O'Aces Bar & Grill.

So far Woyword says the response has been positive.

"As soon as we started the promo, the neighborhood started talking about it. At all three of our locations, everyone is talking about it, and people are coming in everyday asking how they can win a free pistol."

The bar doesn't actually have a gun, but will give out coupons to the winners. People who win will still need to go through a background check and pay for registration.

241 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:16:54am

re: #237 Pass The Moonbaticide

Is that so you can protect yourself on the way home with bulging pockets ?

Now, that could be!

242 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:17:43am

Sharmuta,

I wanna be a Senator! Can you make me a Senator?

/Chicago Politics 'R Us

243 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:19:36am

re: #242 littleoldlady

Sharmuta,

I wanna be a Senator! Can you make me a Senator?

/Chicago Politics 'R Us

How much you got?

/Windy City politics right back attcha.

244 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:19:38am

re: #202 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

Yummmmm... Thanks!

245 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:20:09am

re: #242 littleoldlady

Sharmuta,

I wanna be a Senator! Can you make me a Senator?

/Chicago Politics 'R Us

We may have to investigate your connections with the fruitcup lobby.
;)

246 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:20:30am

re: #241 gmsc
" Is that a pistol in your pocket or did you just score a Royal Flush ?"

247 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:20:39am

UncleRancher! :-)

248 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:20:42am

I tell you- don't listen to people who rant about the Zionist lobby. Everyone knows the real muscle is in the Fruitcup lobby.

249 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:20:58am

re: #245 gmsc

Get offa my thought train!

250 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:21:15am

re: #239 littleoldlady

We don't pay too much attention to the beginning of the season around here.

/otherwise we'd be OMGding every day ;-)

I have to pay attention to the beginning of the season, since my basketball boys just got eliminated from playoff contention.

251 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:21:32am

re: #245 gmsc

Any old lobby should do, right?

/all Sharmuta has to do is say "No lobbyists in my administration..."

252 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:21:41am

re: #249 Sharmuta

Get offa my thought train!

Sorry – I seem to have this bad habit of posting other people's thoughts before they do.

253 BignJames  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:23:12am

re: #242 littleoldlady

Sharmuta,

I wanna be a Senator! Can you make me a Senator?

/Chicago Politics 'R Us


Ok by me

254 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:23:29am

re: #249 Sharmuta

Get offa my thought train!

This is the train I'm on now:

Youtube Video
255 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:23:48am

re: #251 littleoldlady

Any old lobby should do, right?

/all Sharmuta has to do is say "No lobbyists in my administration..."

No- we need a fancy lobby- like the Ritz. OH! Right. Nevermind.

256 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:24:09am

BignJames! :-)

257 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:24:33am

re: #224 Sharmuta

When I'm president (which will be never) gmsc will be at Treasury and I think I'll put Iron Fist at the State Department. :p

Ooooh! Can you make me chair of the Federal Railroad Administration? My first act would be to reroute all those garbage trains onto tracks running through moonbat neighborhoods. Plus all garbage trains could only move at a maximum of 10 MPH. And maybe be powered by some of those new 'Green' GenSet locomotives that haven't had all the bugs worked out of them and occasionally burst into flames....

258 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:27:36am

re: #257 Fenway_Nation

I'm surprised you'd want to work for a pizza heretic like me. But ok.

259 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:28:05am

re: #257 Fenway_Nation
Can I have a humble position ?

Teleprompter Operator ?
/Obama must pay a fortune for this service.

260 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:28:56am

re: #257 Fenway_Nation

That would be a subdivision of the KMA, actually.

261 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:29:27am

Crap! Phone's ringing. Guess the practice for the 3 am phone calls start early.

When I'm elected, I promise I won't promise nuthin' 'bout the sea levels.

See you guys later.

262 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:29:31am

Sharmuta don't need no steenkin' teleprompter!

263 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:29:57am

Bye, Sharmuta! :-)

264 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:30:52am

re: #261 Sharmuta

Crap! Phone's ringing. Guess the practice for the 3 am phone calls start early.

When I'm elected, I promise I won't promise nuthin' 'bout the sea levels.

See you guys later.

Good night, Sharmuta!

265 tappin52  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:31:48am

re: #149 Gus 802

Bad idea, as the act of getting registered is a real challenge. Some people like to enjoy the camaraderie from an omniscient point of view. Some never want to join the fray, and some need to slowly bolster their confidence before they leap in. You can never eliminate the kooks totally.

266 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:32:21am

Well, I'd guess I'd better hit the hay myself.

Good night, all!

(Or, better than "the hay" would be Grandma's feather bed!)

Youtube Video
267 BignJames  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:33:01am

re: #258 Sharmuta

I'm surprised you'd want to work for a pizza heretic like me. But ok.


Someone posted a "garlic mashed potatoes pizza" earlier.....really.

268 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:34:20am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

Wish I could send you some of my chicken and matzoh ball soup.

/it's guaranteed to kill what ails ya
//if it doesn't kill YOU

;-)

269 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:37:38am

I was touted RT on a platter yesterday, before the open, at $4.50, it was trading premarket at $4.65 and I made the mistake of being a curmudgeon over $.15 per share and not biting.

/[expletive deleted] thing never looked back for +56% and I missed the opportunity to print money for one day, I doubt today's opportunity will be that good but I shall not quibble over 15 cents anymore

270 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:38:13am

In all fairness to the Hybrid/Genset locomotive manufacturer, the source of at least one of those fires was probably a lightning strike.

New slogan: Railpower's Green Goats! Use 'em in the yards! use 'em in the ports! Those unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!

271 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:38:32am

re: #12 redc1c4

i agree: it's nasty stuff. right up there with rutabagas, turnips, parsnips and Brussels sprouts

Interestingly, all except the parsnip are very closely related; they are all in the cabbage family.

Parsnips are closely related to carrots. No relation to the others.

Zucchini, which kicked this whole discussion off, isn't related to either family. But it, like all vegetables, has it's merits when handled properly. Here's one approach to zucchini: slice into half-inch thick rounds; salt liberally on both sides, and let them sit on a rack to drain for an hour or so; the salt will pull a lot of water out. Pat dry, toss with some olive oil, and either grill or pan-fry for 8 to 10 minutes. Hit with some freshly ground black pepper.

As for the cabbage family: I like all of them. You left out cauliflower and broccoli, by the way.

272 gmsc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:41:34am

re: #270 Fenway_Nation

In all fairness to the Hybrid/Genset locomotive manufacturer, the source of at least one of those fires was probably a lightning strike.

New slogan: Railpower's Green Goats! Use 'em in the yards! use 'em in the ports! Those unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!

What are you going to call your train? The Cayonero?
;)

Trying again –

Good night, all!

273 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:42:27am

re: #267 BignJames

Someone posted a "garlic mashed potatoes pizza" earlier.....really.

Although they qualified it with 'it's not as awful as it sounds'...or something.

274 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:45:17am

re: #224 Sharmuta

When I'm president (which will be never) gmsc will be at Treasury and I think I'll put Iron Fist at the State Department. :p

"Secretary of State Iron Fist" has a nice ring to it!

275 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:46:02am

If it has garlic and cheese on it, how could it taste bad? These two elements of ambrosia could make toe jam taste good.

276 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:47:49am

re: #274 Kenneth

"Secretary of State Iron Fist" has a nice ring to it!

Bring back the 'ol Secretary of War title. Secretary of Defense sounds kinda poofta like I always thought.

277 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:48:16am

Mornin' Lizards.

278 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:49:49am

re: #276 axegrinder

"Secretary of War Axegrinder"

Nice.

279 tappin52  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:50:34am

Morning Axe. I really hope that Sharmuta's 3AM phone call was nothing related to bad news.

280 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:50:48am

Looks more badass with the capital A.

281 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:50:54am

re: #275 axegrinder

If it has garlic and cheese on it, how could it taste bad? These two elements of ambrosia could make toe jam taste good.

/mashed potatoes . . . pizza, two separate, yet tasty, food sources

282 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:51:48am

Me too. Hopefully some overseas call from somebody so excited about GOOD news they forgot its was 3 am in the real world.

283 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:52:35am

re: #279 tappin52

I'm sorry.

/why don't you have an avatar?

284 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:52:41am

re: #280 axegrinder

And badass is good, in a Secretary of War.

285 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:53:12am

re: #281 Killian Bundy

Yeah, I agree. Pizza pretty much is a stand alone meal. Mashed potatoes need peas or something to be complete.

286 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:55:05am

(mashed potatoes + meat) x gravy = meal

287 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:55:24am

re: #285 axegrinder

Yeah, I agree. Pizza pretty much is a stand alone meal. Mashed potatoes need peas or something to be complete.

/it's like there's a march to blendered mush and three bathrooms

288 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:55:31am

Morning Lizards.

289 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:55:46am

re: #280 axegrinder


Might as well throw in some umulauts:

Secretary of War Äxegrindër

290 tappin52  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:56:15am

re: #283 Killian Bundy

Because I am a techno-dweeb who does not know how to do such advanced trickery.

291 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:57:36am

Pretty slow this morning. Here's fresh article from the WSJ on our progress(or lack thereof) with 'finding common ground' with Muslims. It's depressing.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

re: #286 Kenneth

(mashed potatoes + meat) x gravy = meal

"I'll take a cheese burger with extra onions, a med. order of fries and a large gravy."

292 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:58:01am

re: #286 Kenneth

(mashed potatoes + meat) x gravy = meal

+ butter, sour cream, salt & pepper and a generous slice of Gorgonzolla.

293 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 2:59:54am

re: #290 tappin52

Because I am a techno-dweeb who does not know how to do such advanced trickery.

Well you've come to the right place, I have more than a half dozen commissioned LGF avatars under my belt.

/step one. link or email me your image, I'll wrangle it to LGF parameters

294 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:00:05am

re: #291 axegrinder

re: your link.
Can't we just leave him on permanent spring break?

295 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:00:35am

Morning.

296 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:02:13am

Secretary of War Fënwäÿ Nätïøn

Much more badass than re-routing slow moving garbage trains through moonbat enclaves.

297 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:02:58am

re: #294 UncleRancher

re: your link.
Can't we just leave him on permanent spring break?

Nah, he's still the Pres. Better haul him back home to do some more damage before he wises up. I'm still hoping he will at least on foreign policy. He seems to be doing a lot of the same stuff Bush did except for the unfortunate habit of dissing his own country. His domestic policy stinks.

298 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:03:57am

Morning rightside!

299 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:04:06am

I see that Robert Spencer is interviewed on PajamasMedia, about nothing less than "the bow"! And it appears that Spencer is going to be a regular guest on PJM.

This should be awkward...

300 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:04:50am

re: #297 axegrinder

Nah, he's still the Pres. Better haul him back home to do some more damage before he wises up. I'm still hoping he will at least on foreign policy. He seems to be doing a lot of the same stuff Bush did except for the unfortunate habit of dissing his own country. His domestic policy stinks.

You expect him to wise up?

301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:06:17am

"Hi, Peter. What's happening? We need to talk about your TPS reports..."

302 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:06:45am

I wish I could predict earthquakes.

303 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:07:06am

re: #300 UncleRancher

I HOPE he will. How long can he put up with getting spit on before he actually does something?

304 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:07:21am

re: #299 freetoken

I see that Robert Spencer is interviewed on PajamasMedia, about nothing less than "the bow"! And it appears that Spencer is going to be a regular guest on PJM.

This should be awkward...

/wow, I should think so, although the PJ ad demise pretty much cut the cord

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:07:24am

re: #302 freetoken

I wish I could predict earthquakes.

What!? And local Italian authorities yell at you?

306 tappin52  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:07:32am

I'll try to dig one up for you, thanks.re: #293 Killian Bundy

307 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:09:31am

re: #303 axegrinder

I admire a person with hope. Don't let go of it.

308 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:10:49am

re: #307 UncleRancher

I HOPE he will CHANGE his policy. I have to BELIEVE IN it.

309 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:11:29am

re: #302 freetoken

I wish I could predict earthquakes.

Damn, I wish you could too. Keep trying, you have a better shot at it than I do.

/how's Moore's law doing?

310 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:12:51am

re: #304 Killian Bundy

Technically I guess it is on PJTV and only excerpts are on PJM front website; the very same PJM that still lists Charles as one of the co-founders.

311 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:13:20am

re: #309 Killian Bundy

I just checked up on Moore's law over at TigerDirect.com yesterday. It looks like it's doing just fine.

312 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:13:49am

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's not the Italian kind that I'm thinking about... indeed, I'm not even thinking about the literal sense of the word.

313 freetoken  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:14:17am

ok, now I do have to get some sleep.....

314 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:15:55am

re: #310 freetoken

the very same PJM that still lists Charles as one of the co-founders.

/history defies denial unless forgotten

315 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:17:51am

What the hell is wrong with Obama? Codling up with the UN, making calf-eyes at Islam and generally embarrassing us while China flaunts their new 'carrier buster', N. Korea showcases their missile capability and Somalia takes America hostages. Instead of negotiating disarmament we know for a fact no one else will agree to(or if they do, they will break the agreement as soon as it suits them) we should be testing nukes. How long since our last test? We need more, not less. Sheesh.

316 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:20:54am

re: #315 axegrinder

Don't forget the F22 Raptor getting shut down.

317 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:22:35am

re: #316 UncleRancher

Yeah, military cuts left and right. Who's side is he on, anyway? It's past pissing me off and just scaring the shit out of me now.

318 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:26:50am

re: #315 axegrinder

What the hell is wrong with Obama?

/stop right there

319 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:30:32am

If you want a laugh, I found this little gem while shopping for a new phone. I'm kinda trend adverse so I'll avoid the Iphone but I wouldn't trash it like this guy. This is hilarious.

[Link: www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net...]

320 yesandno  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:43:43am

re: #3 redc1c4

these asshats never miss a trick, do they? higher cost of ammo will prevent shootings

Yet....what is the chance that wanting to go out in a blaze of glory you would use every penny you had to buy bullets, regardless of the price?

Raise the price of bullets so they buy less
("I want to shoot the SOB but the bullet costs too much"),
raise the price of cigarettes and expect the same amount of people to purchase them to raise money
( I want to quit smoking, but it is for the kiddies....").

Same behavior, but expect different results......who knew?

/completely ignorning that the vile individual that does this could somehow be the blame.

321 Erik The Red  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:48:03am

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

An old lady dies and goes to heaven.

She's chatting with St. Peter at the Pearly Gates

When all of a sudden she hears the most awful, blood curdling screams.

'Don't worry about that,' says St. Peter,

'It's only someone having the holes put into her shoulder blades for the
wings.'

The old lady looks a little uncomfortable but carries on with the
conversation .

Ten minutes later, there are more blood curdling screams. 'Oh my God,' says
the old lady, 'now what is happening?'

'Not to worry,' says St. Peter,

'She's just having her head drilled to fit the halo.'

'I can't do this,' says the old lady, 'I'm going to hell.'

'You can't go there,' says St. Peter.

'You'll be raped and taken advantage of.'

'Maybe so,' says the old lady, 'but I've already got the holes for that..'

322 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:50:04am

BAM MAN'S COOL IDEA: BLOCK SUN

It's Star Wars vs. global warming.

President Obama's science adviser said yesterday the United States is considering extreme measures to defeat global warming -- such as shooting pollutants miles above the Earth to block the sun's rays.

John Holdren said the bizarre step -- described by fellow scientists as creating an artificial volcano in the sky -- would be used only as a last resort.

But, he told the Associated Press, "It's got to be looked at. We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table."

Holdren, who advised Al Gore in making his documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," has been accused of being an alarmist because he warns that environmental disaster will come much faster than colleagues say.

artificial volcano?

Hey, why not blow out some real volcanoes with existing nuclear weapons and save money, if you really want to cool down the Earth in a hurry.

/artificial volcano, we should pay to simulate that?

323 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:57:03am

re: #322 Killian Bundy

And we are shit canning the F-22 to pay for crap like this?

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:58:02am

re: #322 Killian Bundy

Sounds like an evil plot to me...

325 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:59:27am

By hosting the first presidential seder in America's history," President Barack Obama shows the personal and deep relationship his has with the Jewish community, said Alexis C. Rice, the group's deputy executive director. "There is no question, Obama is a true friend of the Jewish community."

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I call Bullshit! Window dressing.

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:01:12am

re: #325 nevergiveup

There's a Seder Banquet tonight at my church. Not going.

The food's awful!

327 3 wood  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:01:48am

Good morning.

The market bounced back a bit yesterday, and the early futures are in positive territory this morning.


The SEC has finally started considering options for reinstating an "uptick" rule.

SEC regains control of market ship

On a news day when Somali pirates outwardly threatened U.S. shipping interests off Africa, the Securities and Exchange Commission in Washington took the first small step toward preventing the looting of Wall Street by short-sellers.
It was the equivalent of offering a discussion on how to better lock the cargo hold after the pirates had already looted the entire tanker, made it back to land and celebrated with exuberant rounds of gunfire. Oh, and imagine if the pirates also said any discussion of better locks is unfair.
While any steps to improve U.S. financial markets are always welcome, the SEC has dragged its feet on this uptick rule debate for so long that it's almost not relevant anymore to the current crisis. Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and AIG were killed by abusive trading involving short-selling. Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley barely survived, with Merrill having to sell itself to avoid Lehman and Bear's fate. Bank of America and Citigroup are still fighting for their lives.
On Wednesday, the SEC -- which has approached the uptick rule debate about as aggressively as Bud Selig approached steroids in baseball -- voted to put five proposals out for public comment on how to limit short selling.

My suggestions?

1. Price of thee stock has to rise 4 tenths before you can place a short sale. That means you really, really have to believe that the price will drop.

2. The owners of the stock being borrowed to cover the short sale have to first give their permission that the stock be used by someone else in a short sale. Good luck with that.

328 3 wood  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:02:36am

Got to get ready for work. Later.

329 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:02:54am

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's a Seder Banquet tonight at my church. Not going.

The food's awful!

I going to a Seder tonight at my Cousin's house with all my Liberal Relatives. The company is awful!

330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:02:57am

re: #328 3 wood

Do you have to wear a tie?

331 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:04:32am

re: #315 axegrinder

What the hell is wrong with Obama?

What should we expect when Obama tours Europe with a "Kick Me" sign on his back?

332 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:05:56am

re: #329 nevergiveup

My condolences, Doc.

333 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:07:33am

Kim Jong Il Re-Elected as Leader of North Korea

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I want a recount!

334 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:07:57am

re: #323 nevergiveup

The F-22 will be stopped with 189 planes built. That does provide some capability for a while, but the US had better start now on the next plane if you don't want to loose air superiority at some point in the future.

335 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:08:00am

re: #323 nevergiveup

And we are shit canning the F-22 to pay for crap like this?

Don't you want to live?

/seriously, the Earth has a fever

336 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:08:07am

re: #332 rightside

My condolences, Doc.

That is what booze and wife's driving is made for.

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:08:13am

re: #333 nevergiveup

Kim Jong Il Re-Elected as Leader of North Korea

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I want a recount!

Done.

KJI - 1
North Korea - 0

338 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:08:48am

re: #333 nevergiveup

jimmuh cartuh verified that election.

339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:08:51am

re: #336 nevergiveup

That is what booze and wife's driving is made for.

You can't get drunk at a Seder!

(can you?)

340 yesandno  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:08:53am

re: #325 nevergiveup

By hosting the first presidential seder in America's history," President Barack Obama shows the personal and deep relationship his has with the Jewish community, said Alexis C. Rice, the group's deputy executive director. "There is no question, Obama is a true friend of the Jewish community."

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I call Bullshit! Window dressing.

Reminds me of something Madonna might do....except for the fact, of course, that next week she won't be kicking Netanyahu in the ----- like he plans to do with his hope and changey ways. More akin to the Last Supper...before the betrayal.

341 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:09:18am

re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You can't get drunk at a Seder!

(can you?)

I can

342 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:10:40am

re: #327 3 wood

Good morning.

The market bounced back a bit yesterday, and the early futures are in positive territory this morning.

Today's volume will be damn near nonexistent. Everyone's on Easter/Passover vacation.

/reset Wall Street for Monday

343 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:10:43am

re: #333 nevergiveup

Apparently Kim "sobbed" at the launch of the missile because he wished he could have used the money to buy food for his people. Real story.

(laughing so hard he cried, more like)

344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:11:58am

Sunrise Earth..."Red-necked grebes tend their nests in Beluga Lake in Homer, Alaska"

Purdy!

345 legalpad  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:12:19am

re: #322 Killian Bundy

Obama-Burns

346 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:13:45am

USS Bainbridge (CGN 25) at the site of kidnapped Captain of the Maersk Alabama and is command of situation?

[Link: www.navysite.de...]

Is the USN in command or is the Company paying a ransom?

347 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:16:19am

re: #346 nevergiveup

The braindamage was decommisioned long ago. Where did you read that?

348 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:16:40am

re: #347 rightside

The braindamage was decommisioned long ago. Where did you read that?

Fox News TV?

349 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:17:07am

The curious case of 200 nearly identical MSM headlines

The following headlines have appeared in newspapers within the last 24 hours. This is not an inclusive list.

• Third of Illinoisans went without health insurance in last 2 years: Sun-Times
• Report: 2.5M in Michigan lacked health insurance: Chicago Tribune
• Study: 29% of Ohioans have gone without health insurance: BizJournals
• Report: More NJ residents lacking health insurance: Forbes
• Study: Many Kansans are uninsured: BizJournals
• Report tallies uninsured in Hawaii: KPUA AM 670
• Study: 1 in 3 Alabamians have no insurance: BizJournals
• 1 out of 4 NH residents lacked health insurance within last two years: WBZ
• 1 out of 3 Coloradans lacked insurance in past two years: Denver Post
• Nearly 1 in 3 Idahoans lack health insurance, study says: Idaho Statesman
• One in four nonelderly Minnesotans has been without health insurance, study shows: Twin Cities
• 1 in 3 are uninsured in Georgia, study says: Augusta Chronicle
• 1.3 million Louisiana residents uninsured: Independent
• Millions in N.C. lack health plan: Winston-Salem Journal
• Uninsured are mostly working: Sun-Herald
• Nearly one-third of Wyoming residents went without health insurance in past two years: Wyoming Tribune
• Report finds health insurance lacking in W.Va.: Charleston Gazette
• Nearly 1/3 Of Kentuckians Uninsured Says Report: WFPL Radio
• REPORT: 254K Rhode Islanders Uninsured at Some Point from 2007-2008: ABC 6

There are more. I just stopped listing them because I grew weary -- so weary -- of the physical labor associated with cutting and pasting.

All of the stories were marketed by a liberal "advocacy group" called Families USA .

According to Discover the Networks, Families USA is a member of the "Progressive States Network", which works closely with (you guessed it) ACORN and the SEIU. These ultra-partisan groups have truly one agenda: big government.

Must be a coincidence, right?

350 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:18:14am

re: #346 nevergiveup

USS Bainbridge (CGN 25) at the site of kidnapped Captain of the Maersk Alabama and is command of situation?

[Link: www.navysite.de...]

Is the USN in command or is the Company paying a ransom?

The lifeboat is surrounded, not going anywhere.

/the ransom is a farce, they'll have to release the hostage(s) to collect and then they're just going to be killed or arrested

351 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:18:31am

re: #348 nevergiveup

They obviously have the wrong ship named there. She was decommisioned 13 years ago.

352 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:18:33am

re: #347 rightside

The braindamage was decommisioned long ago. Where did you read that?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

353 yesandno  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:19:23am

re: #349 Kenneth

The curious case of 200 nearly identical MSM headlines

The following headlines have appeared in newspapers within the last 24 hours. This is not an inclusive list.


Must be a coincidence, right?


Your stimulus money at work!

354 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:19:49am

re: #351 rightside

They obviously have the wrong ship named there. She was decommisioned 13 years ago.

Is there a new ship with the same name?

355 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:19:50am

re: #352 nevergiveup


The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Ahhh, now I see why.

356 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:21:22am

re: #354 nevergiveup

No, and the Bainbridge was a nuclear powered Guided Missile Cruiser, they mention a destroyer, most likely an Arleigh Burke class one at that. Trying to think of names close to that in the DDG-51 class...

357 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:22:12am

USS BAINBRIDGE (DDG-96)

CLASS - BURKE Flight IIa As Built.
Displacement 8373 Tons (Full), Dimensions, 509' 5" (oa) x 66' 11" x 20' (Max)
Armament 1 x 5"/62 RF, Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM), 96 VLS Cells,
2 SH-60B helicopters, 8 Harpoon Missiles, 6 x 12.75" TT.
Machinery, 100,000 SHP; 4 GE LM-2500 Gas Turbines, 2 screws
Speed, 30+ Knots, Range 4400 NM@ 20 Knots, Crew 370.
Operational and Building Data
Christened at Bath Iron Works, Bath, Maine November 13, 2004
Commissioned November 12 2005 at Ft. Lauderdale.
Active unit of the US Navy.
Homeported at Norfolk, VA.

[Link: www.navsource.org...]

358 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:23:11am

re: #356 rightside

No, and the Bainbridge was a nuclear powered Guided Missile Cruiser, they mention a destroyer, most likely an Arleigh Burke class one at that. Trying to think of names close to that in the DDG-51 class...

USS Bainbridge (DDG 96)

[Link: www.navysite.de...]

359 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:23:42am

And I'll repeat my question from hours ago, a U.S. flagged merchant vessel?

/there's more to this story, no owner in their right mind U.S. flags merchant vessels

360 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:23:50am

I had wrong link originally--early in the AM--sorry

361 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:24:10am

I see that now, I stand corrected. I commisioned 82, so I stopped keeping track of the names!

USS Bainbridge

362 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:24:56am

re: #360 nevergiveup

no worries, I had never heard of her, she was commisioned after I retired.

363 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:25:15am

re: #361 rightside

I see that now, I stand corrected. I commisioned 82, so I stopped keeping track of the names!

USS Bainbridge

But back to my original question--Who is really in charge of this situation?

364 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:31:28am

re: #363 nevergiveup

Good question.

Don Winter, who was CEO of Northrup Grumman when I worked there, was SecNav until March this year. It seems he made too much money, and is an evil man, so he must have gotten the axe, from FCBBHO.

365 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:32:51am

re: #359 Killian Bundy

and what ever happened to that one ship that was taken over a few months ago, where the pirates became ill?

366 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:34:56am

re: #349 Kenneth

Included in your list was Louisiana, with 1.3 'uninsured'.

I'm wondering if the article mentioned that the State of Louisiana has a charity hospital system, with facilities located all over the state.

Louisiana State University operates eight hospitals, which are managed by the Health Care Services Division. Combined, the LSU facilities admit 50,000 patients annually, and they provide nearly 1.2 million outpatient visits, around 70 percent of which are clinic visits.

Mission-driven to care for the uninsured and provide training opportunities for future health professionals, LSU HCSD is a statewide safety net system in which everyone is eligible for care.

LSU hospitals, in providing the majority of care to the uninsured patients in the state, support other community facilities by protecting them from a greater share of uncompensated care.

These articles about the uninsured tend to be misleading. I wonder if the one with the headline you mentioned is misleading, too?

367 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:39:54am

re: #366 reine.de.tout

Included in your list was Louisiana, with 1.3 'uninsured'.

I'm wondering if the article mentioned that the State of Louisiana has a charity hospital system, with facilities located all over the state.

These articles about the uninsured tend to be misleading. I wonder if the one with the headline you mentioned is misleading, too?

I just clicked through to the news article, and then to the pdf it links to.
No mention of LSU-Health Care Services Division. zip. zilch. nada.
Gee, I wonder why?

368 Emerald  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:40:21am
“Yes”, I said. “I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I’ll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.”


Not surprising, considering that among other things, Asimov had a PhD in biochemistry. You know, one of those evil scientists. Except Asimov also wrote two study guides to the Bible.

369 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:41:35am

re: #365 rightside

and what ever happened to that one ship that was taken over a few months ago, where the pirates became ill?

You have direct experience from your naval career.

It probably happens, but don't you find a ship sailing in that area, under U.S. flag, kinda odd? There's a reason no U.S. flagged merchant vessel has been attacked by pirates in over 200 years.

/they're as rare as unicorns, owners aren't stupid, they won't pay U.S, taxes and flag elsewhere

370 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:43:01am

re: #365 rightside

and what ever happened to that one ship that was taken over a few months ago, where the pirates became ill?

/radiation poisoning, they picked the wrong cargo to hijack

371 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:43:16am

re: #369 Killian Bundy

I've escorted tons of flagged merchant ships all over the world, but can't recall in that area. This was a long time ago too.

372 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:43:52am

re: #371 rightside

I've escorted tons of flagged merchant ships all over the world, but can't recall in that area. This was a long time ago too.

/U.S. flagged?

373 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:48:09am

I heard that the two ships being sent to area near Somalia are the USS William Jefferson Clinton
[Link: www.billcook.net...]

And the USS Barrack Obama

Image: USSBARACKOBAMA.jpg

374 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:48:58am

re: #372 Killian Bundy


There were definitely some coming back from Iraq, carrying supplies in 03.

How many though, I couldn't tell you.

375 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:50:18am

re: #333 nevergiveup

Kim Jong Il Re-Elected as Leader of North Korea

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I want a recount!

check for hanging chads

376 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:51:43am

Well, too far down the rabbit hole tonight to research, but Panama jumps out as the primary international boating flag, followed by all sorts of shipping tax havens.

/registering a large boat in the United States is just not done

377 Ateam  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:53:09am

re: #349 Kenneth

The curious case of 200 nearly identical MSM headlines

The following headlines have appeared in newspapers within the last 24 hours. This is not an inclusive list.


Must be a coincidence, right?


Unbelievable!
Great research.

378 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:54:33am

re: #374 rightside

There were definitely some coming back from Iraq, carrying supplies in 03.

How many though, I couldn't tell you.

/sweet subsidies

379 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:57:21am

re: #378 Killian Bundy

We do have a Military Sealift Command MSC, and that does the bulk of the work.

Interesting question you ask, for sure.

380 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:04:24am

re: #379 rightside

We do have a Military Sealift Command MSC, and that does the bulk of the work.

Interesting question you ask, for sure.

Fascinating. Okay, you're talking pet commercial shipping. Are they all U.S. flagged? They for sure get paid extra not do anything else.

/no way most ship owners would cooperate

381 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:04:57am

re: #229 haakondahl

.............I know it's a big country, but if you happen to run into a Capt. {Major?} Burghmyer Medical unit. Say hello for me.
He is at Camp Morehead or in and around Jalalabad.

He is good friend.

382 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:05:12am

Good morning Lizards. I move that the Somali Pirates have their accounts blocked for Talk Like A Pirate Day. I know that sounds drastic, but they asked for it.

383 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:07:43am

re: #382 opnion

Youtube Video

The only good Pirate

384 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:08:30am

re: #380 Killian Bundy

I don't know what designates being "flagged". Hengineer works on one, he could better answer your question. They are owned and operated by the US, and fly our flag. They have a mostly civilian crew, and Ships' Master, with a small military contingent onboard.

The Maersk line is privately owned I would guess, so I think that's apples and oranges.

385 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:09:43am

re: #380 Killian Bundy

no way most ship owners would cooperate

/in the grand scheme of things, merchant vessels flying the U.S. flag are rare, it's a tax thing, but apparently they do exist, not sure what they might be doing off the coast of Africa though

386 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:10:34am

re: #384 rightside

I don't know what designates being "flagged".

/registerd

387 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:13:00am

re: #384 rightside

I don't know what designates being "flagged". Hengineer works on one, he could better answer your question. They are owned and operated by the US, and fly our flag. They have a mostly civilian crew, and Ships' Master, with a small military contingent onboard.

I want his opinion.

/his ship isn't a commercial carrier

388 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:13:50am

re: #386 Killian Bundy

/registered

389 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:15:26am

re: #383 smokefire

We actually commissioned Privateers (Pirates) during the Revolutionary War & the War of 1812. We needed a navy.
Lafitte was a famous Privateer who operated out of Louisiana against the British Navy.

390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:16:39am

I am all about a few ships floating through there with about 20 special forces guys on each one....

or Steven Seagal.

391 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:17:06am

re: #388 Killian Bundy

I guess these turds come up in fast boats, armed with rpg's and such, and threaten to blow a hole in the hull if they don't cooperate.

I'd say, if you get within 500 yards of any US vessel, you are to come no closer. Ignore the warning, and be sunk.

392 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:18:03am

14:42 U.K. Foreign Secretary: Jerusalem should be capital for both PA, Israel (Israel Radio)


I suggest your give Northern Ireland back to the Irish. How about them eggs?

393 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:18:24am

re: #391 rightside

Law of the Sea....................shoot first ask questions later

394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:18:47am

Some people are so brave. These ladies posed with Somali pirates.

395 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:19:22am

re: #391 rightside

I guess these turds come up in fast boats, armed with rpg's and such, and threaten to blow a hole in the hull if they don't cooperate.

I'd say, if you get within 500 yards of any US vessel, you are to come no closer. Ignore the warning, and be sunk.

Would a merchant vessel have that kind of fire power?

396 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:19:44am

Merchant marine, in support of the Navy, U.S flagged.

/commercial shipping, for profit, anything but U.S. flagged/registered

397 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:19:53am

"Flagging" is an effect of the ship's registry. This works like tax havens, except it brings with it a lot *more* rules. Unions and obscure obsolete protectionist laws prevent most profitable businesses from registering the ship in the United States.

In the late 1980's, great numbers of tankers were re-flagged from Liberian (which offers great benefits to shipowners) to American (which made them eligible for U.S. protection in the "tanker war".

It is disappointing to see our own government so hamstrung, by choice, by international red tape when admiralty law (an semi-formal but highly respected body of precedents and rulings) makes most actions permissible so long as the underlying motivations and competence are in order.

398 gregg  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:19:56am

re: #322 Killian Bundy

BAM MAN'S COOL IDEA: BLOCK SUN

Hey, why not blow out some real volcanoes with existing nuclear weapons and save money, if you really want to cool down the Earth in a hurry.

/artificial volcano, we should pay to simulate that?

I like Power Line's take on this:

I've wondered for a while how global warming alarmists will try to deal with the fact that the globe is not warming. My theory has been that they would rush through some silly measures ostensibly designed to reduce carbon emissions, and then take credit when the catastrophe they predicted doesn't happen after all. Time, though, is running out.

Two trends are working against the alarmists: scientists in the relevant disciplines are increasingly concluding, and are increasingly willing to say publicly, that the anthropogenic global warming theory is false. And the earth, at the worst possible moment for the alarmists, started getting cooler rather than warmer.

It may be that the alarmists, who surely understand that they are peddling a theory that has little scientific validity, have decided on a new tack. Perhaps concluding that there is no time to lose, they are now talking about taking decisive action to cool down the Earth. At least, that is what Barack Obama's "science adviser," John Holdren, says. Holdren, as we noted here, is a leftist for whom actual science--as contrasted with global warming "science"--is only an obstacle to far-left control of the government. Now he seems poised to take on the role of global super-hero.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

399 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:20:01am

re: #394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Some people are so brave. These ladies posed with Somali pirates.

From what I gather from the picture, those sailors have limp swords when around the fair female?

400 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:22:09am

re: #393 smokefire

I agree. We didn't have to worry on our ships, we had it covered!

But, I was just going back to sea when the Cole was attacked. The crew was manned and ready, and could have easily shredded that boat before it got close.

So, the real question is, at what point do you attack anyone coming towards you. CO's have enough pressure, that decision WILL be a international incident.

401 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:22:18am

re: #397 haakondahl

Thanks.

/what you said

402 ducktrapper  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:22:26am

No, no, no, no, no and yes. I also believe in life before death.

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:23:07am

re: #400 rightside

Kill them. Period. Turn them into chum, chum.

404 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:23:22am

re: #395 opnion

No, perhaps some pistols/rifles, maybe a grenade launcher, but nothing in the RPG range that I am aware of. I never sailed on one, but have spoken to lots of people, none of them ever mentioning that.

405 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:25:03am

re: #400 rightside

It sucks when the decision to protect your ship has to be made by some bureaucrat thousands miles away, and there are only seconds to decide.

406 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:25:45am

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm with you on that. However, what are the odds they will say, We were collecting for the homeless/lefty cause, and those warmongering infidels attacked us!

Couple that with the America-hating drive-by media, and we all know what happens next.

407 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:25:58am

re: #405 smokefire

It sucks when the decision to protect your ship has to be made by some bureaucrat thousands miles away, and there are only seconds to decide.

That's no way to fight a war. Take the gloves off and back the men implementing it!

408 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:26:07am

re: #404 rightside

No, perhaps some pistols/rifles, maybe a grenade launcher, but nothing in the RPG range that I am aware of. I never sailed on one, but have spoken to lots of people, none of them ever mentioning that.

I'm dating myself, but install a quad 50, problem solved.

409 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:26:25am

re: #405 smokefire

Nailed it. I would not want to be in his shoes.

410 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:26:42am

re: #407 nevergiveup

That's no way to fight a war. Take the gloves off and back the men implementing it!

...................oh dear what would Europe think, though///////////

411 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:27:23am
412 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:27:46am

U.S. military already prepared with battle plans for Somalia pirates, say intelligence sources

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

"if President Obama pulls the trigger,"

I hope they got contingencys for keeping that powder dry for a long time?

413 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:28:20am

re: #409 rightside

who's shoes, the CO's or the nitwit bureaucrat?
Either way you may be f**ked

414 Spiritualized  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:29:23am

RON PAUL!11239

'Bruno' tries to seduce him in one scene (with champagne and strawberries, heh) and it apparently ends up with Ron Paul storming out of the room:

Sneak Peak: Sacha Baron Cohen's New BRUNO Movie PRANKS Congressman Ron Paul

415 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:30:19am

re: #411 taxfreekiller

Taxfree, is this also applying to football too?

What no celebrations after touchdowns, and tackles made.

416 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:30:20am

re: #408 opnion

We had these installed port and starboard. Install them on their ships, teach the crew, problem solved.

25mm will send those pesky pirates to Davy Jones' locker quickly

417 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:30:20am

re: #381 smokefire

.............I know it's a big country, but if you happen to run into a Capt. {Major?} Burghmyer Medical unit. Say hello for me.
He is at Camp Morehead or in and around Jalalabad.

He is good friend.

When I get back to my system, I'll look him up. Of course, when I do, I'll be back to pedalling real fast for internet access.

418 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:30:28am
419 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:31:40am

re: #416 rightside

We had these installed port and starboard. Install them on their ships, teach the crew, problem solved.

25mm will send those pesky pirates to Davy Jones' locker quickly

Yeah, that wouild make the problem go away.

420 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:31:51am

re: #417 haakondahl

I worked with him at our fire department, before he moved up in the world and got hired at FDNY {Fire Dept. New York}

421 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:31:55am

re: #413 smokefire

The CO. He can do anything to defend his ship, but if he makes the slightest mistake, international incident, and career over.

422 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:31:55am

re: #418 taxfreekiller

Obama has another target in his sights.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

YOUR IT

vote mining.

423 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:32:39am
424 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:33:35am

re: #418 taxfreekiller

Obama has another target in his sights.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

YOUR IT


Make perfect sense, kind of like legally adopting someone who breaks into your house.

425 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:33:49am

re: #421 rightside

The CO. He can do anything to defend his ship, but if he makes the slightest mistake, international incident, and career over.

......and I'm guessing in this climate, the line between international incident, and protecting ship and personnel is very hazy, indeed.

426 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:34:37am

Why is there an asinine rule against weapons on these merchant ships?

427 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:35:05am

re: #425 smokefire

Extremely hazy.

428 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:35:19am

re: #425 smokefire

......and I'm guessing in this climate, the line between international incident, and protecting ship and personnel is very hazy, indeed.

And probably got hazier since 01/20/2009

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:35:20am

re: #406 rightside

Don't care. Is there a "No Quarter for Pirates" flag we could fly?... (though I think the Stars and Stripes are enough).

430 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:36:14am

re: #425 smokefire

......and I'm guessing in this climate, the line between international incident, and protecting ship and personnel is very hazy, indeed.


There is a consideration, if the Captain takes action to protect the ship without cameras around, who is going to hassle him?

431 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:36:31am

re: #426 nevergiveup

Why is there an asinine rule against weapons on these merchant ships?

why can't we go back to WWII days and have weapons on some of the merchant ships. They [pirates] don't know which ones, so it makes everything a little more interesting

432 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:36:32am

re: #416 rightside

We had these installed port and starboard. Install them on their ships, teach the crew, problem solved.

25mm will send those pesky pirates to Davy Jones' locker quickly

Davey Jones won't have them. Their bones will be washed up where they first cast off.

433 Wishing  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:37:02am

re: #426 nevergiveup

Why is there an asinine rule against weapons on these merchant ships?

Some international nonsense.
But not to worry, Hillary is on it!
About 2:34 into tape

434 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:37:12am

re: #430 opnion

There is a consideration, if the Captain takes action to protect the ship without cameras around, who is going to hassle him?

Kinda like of a pirate is shot and drowns and nobody is around to see it, did it really happen?

435 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:38:09am

re: #416 rightside

25mm will send those pesky pirates to Davy Jones' locker quickly

/on a commercial ship, don't try and get insurance or motor into most commercial ports with that armament on board

436 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:38:41am

re: #434 nevergiveup

Kinda like of a pirate is shot and drowns and nobody is around to see it, did it really happen?

That is the issue. If noone saw it, did it actually happen?

437 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:39:16am

re: #435 Killian Bundy

/on a commercial ship, don't try and get insurance or motor into most commercial ports with that armament on board

..............what about don't ask/don't tell.
Don't ask if we have weapons on board, and we won't tell you.

438 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:39:35am

re: #426 nevergiveup

Why is there an asinine rule against weapons on these merchant ships?

That's what I also have wanted to know.
Why is there an asinine rule against weapons on these merchant ships?

439 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:39:44am

re: #432 haakondahl

Aye, woe betide any swab who tries to swipe our schwag!

440 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:40:09am

re: #426 nevergiveup

Why is there an asinine rule against weapons on these merchant ships?

/insurance, being allowed into commercial ports

441 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:40:21am

re: #435 Killian Bundy

/on a commercial ship, don't try and get insurance or motor into most commercial ports with that armament on board

How about portable M60 machine Guns? Grab em when you need em, stow em when you don't.

442 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:40:54am

re: #437 smokefire

..............what about don't ask/don't tell.
Don't ask if we have weapons on board, and we won't tell you.

/25mm is tough to hide

443 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:41:19am

re: #433 Wishing

Some international nonsense.
But not to worry, Hillary is on it!
About 2:34 into tape

Oh, come on...just tell us.
I can't bring myself to click that link. I've already seen more of Hillary recently than anyone ought to have to...unless it's Bill...but then...whatever......

444 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:41:19am

19th Street Baptist Church in DC: The Obama's new Church

[Link: www.nsbcdc.org...]

I think it is more mainstream than that last one the belonged to for TWENTY YEARS. But will Obama be listening this time?

445 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:42:04am

re: #434 nevergiveup

Kinda like of a pirate is shot and drowns and nobody is around to see it, did it really happen?

Pirate?

What pirate?

446 Wishing  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:42:42am

re: #443 J.D.

Oh, come on...just tell us.
I can't bring myself to click that link. I've already seen more of Hillary recently than anyone ought to have to...unless it's Bill...but then...whatever......

Hillary's definitive statement on current piracy:
"We have to do something.."

447 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:42:51am

re: #442 Killian Bundy

/25mm is tough to hide

Throw a tarpaulin over it. What- that--that's a parrot cage and he is sleeping, don't bother him.

448 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:44:00am

re: #446 Wishing

Hillary's definitive statement on current piracy:
"We have to do something.."

She.is.a.genius!

449 Wishing  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:44:21am

re: #444 nevergiveup

19th Street Baptist Church in DC: The Obama's new Church

[Link: www.nsbcdc.org...]

I think it is more mainstream than that last one the belonged to for TWENTY YEARS. But will Obama be listening this time?

Hey! They have a "Man In Training" program! I am just sure Barry will sign up!

450 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:44:49am

re: #447 nevergiveup

They do actually have heculite covers! Although they look like erections with the barrel underneath!

Is that a barrel on your deck, or are you just glad to see me?

451 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:45:14am

re: #402 ducktrapper

No, no, no, no, no and yes. I also believe in life before death.

I concur.

452 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:45:24am

re: #440 Killian Bundy

/insurance, being allowed into commercial ports

Then throw them overboard before you get there and have new ones supplied to you far enough out to get away with it.

453 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:45:42am

FOX TV: The Navy has called in the FBI Hostage negotiating team? I'd call in a squad of Marines but that's just me?

454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:45:50am

Time to make the donuts...see y'all if I get a break.

No Quarter.

455 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:45:58am

re: #441 opnion

How about portable M60 machine Guns? Grab em when you need em, stow em when you don't.

We discussed it earlier. Put trained military on board, with shoulder fired rockets, only during the transit through Indian country and then take them off.

/of course, since almost every hijacked commercial ship is foreign flagged, it's really none of our business

456 Spiritualized  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:46:01am

Mark Steyn - "Kiss Your Blooody Arse G'bye"

Mark Steyn on where Obama, and Dems like Barney Frank are taking us.

Basically it's much worse than you thought, much worse.

457 Wishing  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:46:20am

re: #454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Time to make the donuts...see y'all if I get a break.

No Quarter.

Vegetarians have all the fun...

458 Erik The Red  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:47:40am

The Bailout Mascot

ROTFLMAO

459 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:48:49am

re: #453 nevergiveup

FOX TV: The Navy has called in the FBI Hostage negotiating team? I'd call in a squad of Marines but that's just me?

I want the captain back, Priority #1.
Give them the $10M, get the captain back, then blow up the whole lot.
Fuck the $10M, they have to know they'll never live long enough to enjoy it.
I'd be willing to see the money go up in smoke to send that message.

460 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:48:58am

re: #458 Erik The Red

LMAO.
That is too funny
UPDING BIG TIME

461 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:49:44am

re: #458 Erik The Red

The Bailout Mascot

ROTFLMAO

Perfect.

462 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:49:58am

re: #459 SasquatchOnSteroids

I want the captain back, Priority #1.
Give them the $10M, get the captain back, then blow up the whole lot.
Fuck the $10M, they have to know they'll never live long enough to enjoy it.
I'd be willing to see the money go up in smoke to send that message.

............Hell we are pissing away hundreds of billions anyway, what is 10 million?
Chump change

463 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:51:14am

re: #462 smokefire

............Hell we are pissing away hundreds of billions anyway, what is 10 million?
Chump change

Well, you blow up $10m now along with the pirates or become France and pay $3M 50 times.

464 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:51:20am

Brown University Kills 'Columbus Day' for 'Fall Weekend'

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Brown is one of the most whacked out Liberal Schools in the country.

465 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:51:46am

re: #456 Spiritualized

Mark Steyn - "Kiss Your Blooody Arse G'bye"

Basically it's much worse than you thought, much worse.

Oh, that's good!
Every time he's off the teleprompter, who he really is comes out.
OOPS!

466 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:52:25am

re: #462 smokefire

............Hell we are pissing away hundreds of billions anyway, what is 10 million?
Chump change

Better half just came up with better idea.
How about all that counterfeit money we found in Iraq.
Give them that, then blow them up.

467 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:53:05am

re: #458 Erik The Red

The Bailout Mascot

ROTFLMAO

'scuse me while I e-mail that to my contact list...

468 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:54:45am

re: #464 nevergiveup

......it's too bad that the Providence Mafia is pretty much gone now.

469 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:55:11am

Rasmussen Poll: Just 53% of Americans Say Capitalism Better Than Socialism... Developing...


And these people are my neighbors? I better buy a gun and soon.

470 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:55:54am

re: #468 smokefire

......it's too bad that the Providence Mafia is pretty much gone now.

Is our favorite Mayor out of Jail yet?

471 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:57:15am

U.S. military already prepared with battle plans for Somalia pirates, say intelligence sources

U.S. military commanders have already prepared battle plans for ending the scourge of piracy on the high seas off Somalia if President Obama pulls the trigger, sources told the Daily News Wednesday.

The Navy sent a warship to intercept Somali pirates Wednesday who hijacked a U.S.-flagged freighter, as commanders weighed military options for nailing the brigands' bases*.

Retired U.S. Ambassador Robert Oakley, who was special envoy to Somalia in the 1990s, said U.S. special operations forces have drawn up detailed plans to attack piracy groups where they live on land, but are awaiting orders from the Obama national security team.

"Our special operations people have been itching to clean them up. So far, no one has let them," Oakley told the Daily News.

*Damn right, I say it's high time we "Nail the brigands' bases!"

But what could be holding them up? Oh right, Obama's waiting for their fists to unclench.

472 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:57:42am

re: #469 nevergiveup

Rasmussen Poll: Just 53% of Americans Say Capitalism Better Than Socialism... Developing...

And these people are my neighbors? I better buy a gun and soon.

Just goes to show how education has suffered.
They don't even really have a clue.

473 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:59:37am

re: #470 nevergiveup

He has been out for sometime.
Come to think of it, Old Buddy has a radio show in Providence.
This must be pissing him off no end too.

474 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:00:29am

re: #469 nevergiveup

Rasmussen Poll: Just 53% of Americans Say Capitalism Better Than Socialism... Developing...

Given that about Obama was elected with about 53% of the vote... and we can reasonably assume that the 47% who said socialism is better all voted for Obama, that leaves about 6% who say capitalism is better, but voted for Obama anyway.

What the hell were they thinking?

475 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:00:40am

Yay on 2 fronts...

That Rasmussen Poll on 53% of Americans (polled) say capitalism is better than Socialism... Ahhhh... Where's Joe McCarthy when we 'really' need him...

And of course, the Obama push to legalize the illegals... You can't tell me at this point that the ight for that will be the tipping point... I dread what will happen and what might be coming in this nation...

476 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:01:23am

re: #469 nevergiveup

Rasmussen Poll: Just 53% of Americans Say Capitalism Better Than Socialism... Developing...

Depressing.
If we turn into socialist Europe, I'm outa here
A message not just to the rich, but to any productive member of society sick of being fleeced in the name of big all-knowing government.

(between higher confiscatory taxation and big unions, there is no doubt the democrat party desires the end of the private sector)

477 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:02:23am

re: #444 nevergiveup

19th Street Baptist Church in DC: The Obama's new Church

[Link: www.nsbcdc.org...]

I think it is more mainstream than that last one the belonged to for TWENTY YEARS. But will Obama be listening this time?

Mainstream? Well then Obama won't fit... He only desires a racist minister who has fed him hate America speeched for 2 decades.

478 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:02:47am

legalize the illegals

Then what are they going to call them then?
Visitors,
Former Illegals [to offensive]
Citizens

479 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:02:48am

re: #469 nevergiveup

What's the trend though?

480 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:02:52am

I found out today that Norman Finkelstein spoke at University of Maryland last night. On the first night of Passover.

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

I'm so glad I haven't renewed my alumni membership. Maryland will never get another penny from me.

481 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:02:58am

re: #474 Kenneth

Given that about Obama was elected with about 53% of the vote... and we can reasonably assume that the 47% who said socialism is better all voted for Obama, that leaves about 6% who say capitalism is better, but voted for Obama anyway.

What the hell were they thinking?


...In a democracy that chooses its own leaders, maybe the real problem is ourselves - for wanting big government without big taxes, big stock returns without big risk and easy money without hard work.

That, maybe.
The Politics of Blame
By Victor Davis Hanson

482 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:03:06am

re: #453 nevergiveup

FOX TV: The Navy has called in the FBI Hostage negotiating team? I'd call in a squad of Marines but that's just me?

No negotiation... Kill the damn pirates and send a message...

483 Irish Rose  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:03:40am

Good morning lizards, quite the day around here yesterday I see.

484 Erik The Red  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:04:12am

re: #483 Irish Rose

Good morning lizards, quite the day around here yesterday I see.

Morning IR.

485 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:04:23am

re: #482 tfc3rid

No negotiation... Kill the damn pirates and send a message...

...........but what about the no closed fist approach?
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

486 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:05:28am

re: #485 smokefire

...........but what about the no closed fist approach?
////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////
////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////

Oh wait, that would be me...

The Navy calls in FBI negotiators... Oy... Tis the new direction of America...

487 smokefire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:06:44am

Well, all, time to leave.
Heading to New Bedford and Antique shops, with better half.

Everyone play nice together.

488 Irish Rose  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:07:50am

Question:

Would anyone be interested in organizing a Midwest LGF meet and greet this summer?

I don't have a lot of time today but I'd like to bandy the idea around a bit.

489 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:08:40am

re: #473 smokefire

He has been out for sometime.
Come to think of it, Old Buddy has a radio show in Providence.
This must be pissing him off no end too.

I know he "violated" a few little laws, but he was a good Mayor I think. And he had flair.

490 yesandno  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:08:54am

re: #462 smokefire

............Hell we are pissing away hundreds of billions anyway, what is 10 million?
Chump change


Hell, if they can declare themselves a Bank, maybe they can get bailout money....over and over again. Surely Geithner could set that up

491 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:09:29am

re: #474 Kenneth

Given that about Obama was elected with about 53% of the vote... and we can reasonably assume that the 47% who said socialism is better all voted for Obama, that leaves about 6% who say capitalism is better, but voted for Obama anyway.

What the hell were they thinking?

Youtube Video

/never gets old

492 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:09:50am

re: #481 J.D.

VDH is bang on. As usual.


In a recent private meeting with some of the world's largest bankers, President Obama reportedly railed at them: "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks!"

But not so fast, Mr. President.

The Obama administration, remember, signed the Democratic-sponsored bill to authorize new bailouts for Wall Street firms and mega-bonuses for their executives. And during the Clinton administration, Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Larry Summers - who both later made millions on Wall Street - succeeded in freeing investment banks from federal regulations that eventually led to their reckless gambling with trillions in sub-prime mortgage debt.

The quasi-government-run Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage agencies - staffed with ex-Clinton administration cronies - were at Ground Zero of the financial meltdown. Liberals in Congress like Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Barney Frank were among the largest recipients of Wall Street money. In the 2008 presidential campaign, most of the big investor money went to Democratic candidate Obama.

493 gregg  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:10:06am

According to the NYT, the 19 largest banks undergoing the stress tests have passed. This morning Wells Fargo announces record profits for the 1st quarter. Someone remind me again why we are giving the banks hundreds of billions of dollars?

494 yesandno  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:11:46am

re: #478 smokefire

legalize the illegals

Then what are they going to call them then?
Visitors,
Former Illegals [to offensive]
Citizens

Known round the world as "New Americans to hate" ........

495 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:12:08am

More from VDH wisdom:

So, take your pick whom to blame: not-so liberal Democrats, now trashing the Wall Street that enriched them, or not-so conservative Republicans, suddenly railing against Washington's out-of-control budgets that they themselves had never balanced.

In a democracy that chooses its own leaders, maybe the real problem is ourselves - for wanting big government without big taxes, big stock returns without big risk and easy money without hard work.

Amen.

496 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:12:39am

re: #493 gregg

According to the NYT, the 19 largest banks undergoing the stress tests have passed. This morning Wells Fargo announces record profits for the 1st quarter. Someone remind me again why we are giving the banks hundreds of billions of dollars?

Because we have to become a socialist country...

497 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:12:51am

re: #481 J.D.

That, maybe.
The Politics of Blame
By Victor Davis Hanson

The quasi-government-run Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage agencies - staffed with ex-Clinton administration cronies - were at Ground Zero of the financial meltdown. Liberals in Congress like Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Barney Frank were among the largest recipients of Wall Street money. In the 2008 presidential campaign, most of the big investor money went to Democratic candidate Obama.

Billionaire investors like Warren Buffet and George Soros proved to be among Obama's staunchest supporters. Health and Human Services Cabinet-nominee Tom Daschle had to bow out because he skipped paying income taxes on free corporate limousine service. Democrats are clearly no longer the party of dirt farmers in bib overalls and sweaty dockworkers.


ding ding ding

498 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:13:43am

Liverpool Terror Alerts: Police foil major bomb plot


As details of the dramatic swoop at Liverpool John Moores University emerged today the ECHO has learned the arrests are both “significant and important”.

The swoop saw 12 men – aged from their mid-to-late teens to their early 40s – picked up in a coordinated operation yesterday afternoon.

/Presbyterian extremists again, I bet.

499 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:13:47am
As you must know by now, the great President Obama Chia Pet scandal is national news.

In a spasm of politically correct panic, Chicago-area based Walgreens stores pulled the fake terra cotta heads from shelves rather than commit corporate sacrilege.

Some insist the Chia Obama is racist. Others say it's downright disrespectful to plant seeds on the messianic president's iconic dome. ...

...Actually, there are two Chia Obamas to choose from. The "Happy" head depicts Obama with an impish grin, the one he uses while shoveling trillions of your dollars into his federal wheelbarrow.

The "Determined" Chia Obama is of resolute mien, jaw forward, no nonsense, like when he told North Korea not to dare shoot off that missile.

So all America has to do is clip Hopium from either head to stop fretting about the economy and foreign policy. ...


With Chia Obama off shelf, so goes Hopium

500 jacksontn  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:13:57am

re: #494 yesandno

Known round the world as "New Americans to hate" ........

This will be the democrats biggest push ... if they can get them legal ... they will win elections for the rest of our lives ... this is what the hispanics were hoping for when they put their support behind Obama ... if this is not defeated ... the republicans will not take back the White House for decades ... if then ... it must be stopped ...

501 Wishing  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:14:29am

re: #493 gregg

According to the NYT, the 19 largest banks undergoing the stress tests have passed. This morning Wells Fargo announces record profits for the 1st quarter. Someone remind me again why we are giving the banks hundreds of billions of dollars?

So they have it and you don't?

502 Irish Rose  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:14:31am

Damn, I wish I had time to visit this morning but alas... no.
BBL.

503 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:15:22am

re: #500 jacksontn

This will be the democrats biggest push ... if they can get them legal ... they will win elections for the rest of our lives ... this is what the hispanics were hoping for when they put their support behind Obama ... if this is not defeated ... the republicans will not take back the White House for decades ... if then ... it must be stopped ...

I agree... This is the ploy for a permanent democratic socialist government... This must be and will be fought at all costs...

504 gregg  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:15:56am

re: #496 tfc3rid

Because we have to become a socialist country...

Thanks. I keep forgetting about that...

505 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:16:45am

Liverpool university library hit by anti-terror raids after security leak

This report includes a photo of one of the men arrested. In total, 12 people were arrested. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that at least one of them is named "Mohammad".

Just a wild guess.

506 yesandno  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:18:01am

re: #500 jacksontn

This will be the democrats biggest push ... if they can get them legal ... they will win elections for the rest of our lives ... this is what the hispanics were hoping for when they put their support behind Obama ... if this is not defeated ... the republicans will not take back the White House for decades ... if then ... it must be stopped ...


Yes and they are choosing to push it now. I don't think they are aware of what the public reaction will be if they go ahead. All the misery on the parts of people who feel disenfranchised right now because of the economy and such, will be heaped upon the powers that be. It must be defeated...and I think they will raise up the sleeping giant of middle America.

507 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:19:07am

Good morning, Lizards,

508 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:19:56am

Oh! There's a poll, also.
re: #499 J.D.


Patriotic or no?
Chia Obama pulled from Walgreens shelves

*

Do you have a problem with the "Chia Obama"?

Yes (450 responses)

19.4%

No (1864 responses)

80.6%
o 2314 total responses (Results not scientific)

509 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:19:59am

re: #493 gregg

According to the NYT, the 19 largest banks undergoing the stress tests have passed. This morning Wells Fargo announces record profits for the 1st quarter. Someone remind me again why we are giving the banks hundreds of billions of dollars?

Morning all. In my dream world, all the banks will recover, and we'll get the money back in a year or two. With all the good financial news this A.M. we should have a decent bump in the market. Now, we just need to get the Captain back from the hostages.

510 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:20:09am

UK Police Arrest 10 in Counter-Terrorism Raids

British police arrested 12 men in counter-terrorism raids across northwest England on Wednesday hours after a security blunder by a top police officer.

The afternoon raids involving several hundred officers took place after Britain's most senior counter-terrorism officer was photographed openly carrying a secret document detailing plans for the arrests.

British media said the raids were brought forward because of the potential security breach by Scotland Yard's Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick.

The document, headlined "Briefing Note: Operation Pathway" described the operation as a "Security Service-led investigation into suspected AQ (al Qaeda) driven attack planning within the UK".

It said 11 people were targeted for arrest, 10 of them Pakistan nationals in Britain on student visas, and one British.

511 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:20:55am

re: #507 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

Off today? Not your usual time here.

512 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:21:08am

re: #509 avanti

Morning all. In my dream world, all the banks will recover, and we'll get the money back in a year or two. With all the good financial news this A.M. we should have a decent bump in the market. Now, we just need to get the Captain back from the hostages.

I can see the banks making the money to repay but will the Administration accept it? So far, they have not accepted repayment.

513 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:21:44am

did Obama voters kill this dog? just asking.

514 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:21:57am

re: #509 avanti

Good morning. In my dream world, I wake up and discover the past 5 months were all a big nightmare and we actually have a competent president.

515 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:22:02am

re: #510 Kenneth

UK Police Arrest 10 in Counter-Terrorism Raids

British police arrested 12 men in counter-terrorism raids across northwest England on Wednesday hours after a security blunder by a top police officer.

Just students... Why are they being persecuted?

516 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:22:08am

re: #512 tfc3rid

I can see the banks making the money to repay but will the Administration accept it? So far, they have not accepted repayment.

Which is, in and of itself, one of the strangest phenomena I have ever witnessed.

517 Spiritualized  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:22:13am

re: #505 Kenneth

Liverpool university library hit by anti-terror raids after security leak

This report includes a photo of one of the men arrested. In total, 12 people were arrested. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that at least one of them is named "Mohammad".

Just a wild guess.

How long before it's claimed they were driven to it because of the "Gaza genocide?" I give it 24 hours.

518 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:22:41am

re: #514 Kenneth

Good morning. In my dream world, I wake up and discover the past 5 months were all a big nightmare and we actually have a competent president.

I'm hoping that happens as well... Sadly, we are stuck in this nightmare of at least 4 more years...

519 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:22:59am

re: #514 Kenneth

Good morning. In my dream world wildest dream, I wake up and discover the past 5 months were all a big nightmare and we actually have a competent president.

520 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:23:23am

re: #516 J.D.

Which is, in and of itself, one of the strangest phenomena I have ever witnessed.

Does it really surprise you though? What is their end game?

521 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:24:35am

re: #511 rightside

{goddess}

Off today? Not your usual time here.

It's SPRING BREAK!

522 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:26:17am

re: #518 tfc3rid

I'm hoping that happens as well... Sadly, we are stuck in this nightmare of at least 4 more years...

It's not that long.

523 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:26:41am

re: #522 MandyManners

It's not that long.

Oy, that is WAY too long...

524 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:28:18am

re: #512 tfc3rid

I can see the banks making the money to repay but will the Administration accept it? So far, they have not accepted repayment.

I'm not sure if I get the explanation, but it goes something like the banks that pay back early will make the others appear weaker and may cause them trouble. I don't have a real problem with allowing the strong banks to keep the Tarp money for a bit, better there then spent on pork. If Uncle Sugar tries to use the loaned money as a excuse to "help" run a bank that tried to return the money, ring the alarm.

525 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:30:07am

Good Morning all. Another exciting Thursday in the neighborhood. Or Friday for our globally spread lizards!

526 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:30:10am

re: #493 gregg

According to the NYT, the 19 largest banks undergoing the stress tests have passed. This morning Wells Fargo announces record profits for the 1st quarter. Someone remind me again why we are giving the banks hundreds of billions of dollars?

We didn't give Wells Fargo any bailout money, and they're showing a record profit. Think the two might be connected somehow?

527 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:30:14am

Morning all.

Just saw a headline that the FBI was being called in to negotiate with the Somali pirates, so I take it there have been no new developments? I was hoping to log on and see that the Captain was freed. A good Herald story on two of the families with relatives on board. As it happens, they both went to Mass. Maritime Academy, where a handful of kids from my high school go every year. If you've ever been to Cape Cod, it's the big institution/port area between the canal bridges.
Herald story

528 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:30:21am

re: #524 avanti

I'm not sure if I get the explanation, but it goes something like the banks that pay back early will make the others appear weaker and may cause them trouble. I don't have a real problem with allowing the strong banks to keep the Tarp money for a bit, better there then spent on pork. If Uncle Sugar tries to use the loaned money as a excuse to "help" run a bank that tried to return the money, ring the alarm.

Some of the banks wanting to return the cash took it because they could not necessarily because they needed it... They did not realzie they were going to potentially face 100% control by an overzealous Treasury...

529 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:30:44am

re: #526 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We didn't give Wells Fargo any bailout money, and they're showing a record profit. Think the two might be connected somehow?

AND Wells Fargo acquired Wachovia as well...

530 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:30:59am

re: #525 pingjockey

Good Morning all. Another exciting Thursday in the neighborhood. Or Friday for our globally spread lizards!

Or Wednesday for those in Rio Linda, as Rush would say.

531 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:31:04am
Watching President Obama apologize last week for America's arrogance - before a French audience that owes its freedom to the sacrifices of Americans - helped convince me that he has a deep-seated antipathy toward American values and traditions. His nomination of former Yale Law School Dean Harold Koh to be the State Department's top lawyer constitutes further evidence of his disdain for American values.

This seemingly obscure position in Foggy Bottom's bureaucratic maze is one of the most important in any administration, shaping foreign policy in the courts and playing a critical role in international negotiations and treaties.

Let's set aside Koh's disputed comments about the possible application of Sharia law in American jurisprudence. The pick is alarming for more fundamental reasons having to do with national sovereignty and constitutional self-governance.

What is indisputable is that Koh calls himself a "transnationalist." He believes U.S. courts "must look beyond national interest to the mutual interests of all nations in a smoothly functioning international legal regime. ..." He thinks the courts have "a central role to play in domesticating international law into U.S. law" and should "use their interpretive powers to promote the development of a global legal system."

Koh's "transnationalism" stands in contrast to good, old-fashioned notions of national sovereignty, in which our Constitution is the highest law of the land. In the traditional view, controversial matters, whatever they may be, are subject to democratic debate here. They should be resolved by the American people and their representatives, not "internationalized." What Holland or Belgium or Kenya or any other nation or coalition of nations thinks has no bearing on our exercise of executive, legislative, or judicial power.

Koh disagrees. He would decide such matters based on the views of other countries or transnational organizations - or, rather, those entities' elites.

Unsurprisingly, Koh is a strong supporter of the International Criminal Court, which could subject U.S. soldiers and officials to foreign criminal trials for their actions while fighting for our security. He has recommended that American lawyers work to "undermine" official American opposition to the court.

If only Koh's transnationalism ended there. Our Eighth Amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment? Koh believes it should be reinterpreted in light of foreign and international law to pay "decent respect to the opinions of humankind."


The Elephant in the Room: Obama vs. United States
The president is contemptuous of American values. And one key nominee prefers the judgment of other countries and global elites.

532 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:32:09am

re: #527 Lincolntf
I was stationed on a Military Sealift Command ship and we'd get a bunch of the students on board in the summer for orientation cruises.

533 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:32:55am

re: #530 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Well, if you listen to Rush, those poor folks in Rio Linda don't know what day it is!

534 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:32:58am

re: #520 tfc3rid

Does it really surprise you though? What is their end game?

It surprised me at first.
At this point, I think their end game is fairly obvious.

535 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:33:25am

re: #526 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We didn't give Wells Fargo any bailout money, and they're showing a record profit. Think the two might be connected somehow?

Fact check: Wells Fargo was one of the first banks to get bailout funds, $25 billion.

536 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:33:45am

re: #531 J.D.

Santorum's a nut going off on "one world goverment" fear-mongering. He's no better than Glenn Beck!
///

537 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:33:50am

re: #532 pingjockey

Remember the academy sending the midshipmen to the boat for training? Best our spaces ever looked! LOL

538 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:34:25am

re: #535 avanti

Fact check: Wells Fargo was one of the first banks to get bailout funds, $25 billion.

Really? I had heard differently.

539 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:34:54am

re: #536 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Santorum's a nut going off on "one world goverment" fear-mongering. He's no better than Glenn Beck!
///

Eh, at this point, the way we are going to hell in a handbasket, nothing would surprise me...

540 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:35:45am

re: #537 rightside
We'd always get some back on the fantail 'feeding the fish'. So of course me and the lead Bosun mate would go back and help out the poor kids with green cigars and sardines in mustard sauce!

541 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:36:26am

re: #538 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Really? I had heard differently.

Bailout.

542 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:36:32am

re: #535 avanti

Fact check: Wells Fargo was one of the first banks to get bailout funds, $25 billion.

I'm seeing $15 billion.
Did they take more after that?

543 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:36:47am

The sun is shining, the birds are singing, and the dogwoods and azaleas are blooming. I'm going back to bed. Have a good day, Lizards.

544 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:36:58am

re: #526 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

DOH!

Actually Beer, I think they did get some of the TARP, but if you have the time, see what Henry Waxman was so up in arms about with them.

The more I read about this whole TARP situation, preferred stock, and everything in the periphery, the more I scratch my head.

545 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:37:01am

re: #536 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I don't know about one gov't, but this currency/stock thing with the EU bothers me immensely.

546 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:37:40am

Good morning y'all - from a pleasant (45 degrees going up to 70 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing today?

547 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:37:45am

re: #543 MandyManners
Have a good nap!

548 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:38:18am

re: #531 J.D.
The Obamas have made it clear, at least to me that they do not feel an allegiance to this nation as it is but how they can shape it.

549 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:38:30am

re: #542 J.D.

Now I'm seeing $25,000,000.
Following The Bailout Money To Wells Fargo

550 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:38:32am

re: #546 realwest

Jes' fine out here in the hinterlands. Glad it's warming up for ya.

551 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:39:07am

re: #540 pingjockey


Good times. I miss them once in a while.

552 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:39:10am

re: #546 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a pleasant (45 degrees going up to 70 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing today?

{Realwest}

553 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:39:15am

re: #548 opnion

The Obamas have made it clear, at least to me that they do not feel an allegiance to this nation as it is but how they can shape it.

And they want your allegiance to them...

554 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:39:47am

re: #541 avanti

I stand corrected.

555 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:39:47am

Canadian Jihadi Killed in Somalia


A former Toronto man who had joined Somalia's fundamentalist insurgents was shot dead by Ethiopian troops after he was surrounded and refused to surrender, rebel sources said yesterday.
556 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:40:37am

re: #551 rightside
Oh yeah, sunrise, sunset, pulling into a new port. Midwatches, unrep, GQ, not so much!

557 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:40:40am

re: #553 tfc3rid

And they want your allegiance to them...

I pledge allegiance to Obama..........

558 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:41:01am

re: #546 realwest

Good morning real! I hope you are doing fine today.

559 Rednek  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:41:02am

I would love to laugh at this if it wasn't so serious.

Basically, a liberal advocacy group gets is propaganda regurgitated by a whole bunch of news outlets all on the same day in an obviously coordinated political push.

• Third of Illinoisans went without health insurance in last 2 years: Sun-Times
• Report: 2.5M in Michigan lacked health insurance: Chicago Tribune
• Study: 29% of Ohioans have gone without health insurance: BizJournals
• Report: More NJ residents lacking health insurance: Forbes
• Study: Many Kansans are uninsured: BizJournals
• Report tallies uninsured in Hawaii: KPUA AM 670
• Study: 1 in 3 Alabamians have no insurance: BizJournals
etc. etc. etc.

560 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:41:05am

re: #549 J.D.

Thanks J.D. that looks like an interesting read.

Creates a pretty clear picture why PNC bought the bank they did as well.

561 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:41:25am

Hostage update on Fox. The shipping company has asked the Navy to stand down while they negotiate a ransom for the captain.

562 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:41:37am

re: #546 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a pleasant (45 degrees going up to 70 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing today?

* * * *
Hello Sir Realwest,

Things are similarly beautiful here in Northern Jihadist Virginia, which the GITMO detainees will call home less than a mile from me! It seems certain Pres. Obama will grant enemy combatants the privilege of squatting here in George Washington's old town of Alexandria.

I met up with W. Corridor this week & can say Molly the beagle is an adorable pup. Hope you're well.

563 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:42:05am

re: #548 opnion

The Obamas have made it clear, at least to me that they do not feel an allegiance to this nation as it is but how they can shape it.


When Michelle said she was proud to be an American again, that pretty much told me where she was coming from.

564 DistantThunder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:42:19am

Want to know how hate is spread?

My 17 year old daughter was required to attend an author's presentation about her book about an LDS teenager (Mormon) that has an abusive father, a submissive mother, and a church that fails to help her. So when she feels desperate she decides to blow up the school.

My daughter was appalled. Her friends starting teasing her saying, "...oooh, should we be afraid of you now?" Because she is one of only 3 LDS at the 1200 student school she felt shocked an ambushed by the topic. She fairly popular with quite a sense of humor - always laughing (Maybe because her father is so abusive, and I am so submissive) and she told her friends - You guys, it's just the opposite.

Try to imagine what other minority group would be allowed to be skewered this way in a public high school?

565 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:42:26am

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this beautiful day?

566 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:42:50am

re: #561 avanti
Hopefully we can pull off what the French did. Pay the ransom, then send in spec ops guys, get the money back and the damn pirates.

567 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:42:58am

re: #548 opnion

The Obamas have made it clear, at least to me that they do not feel an allegiance to this nation as it is but how they can shape it.

* * * *
Shape our country or dismantle it?
Defining down our country's higher principles to those of mob rule.

568 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:43:18am

re: #554 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I stand corrected.

They got it so early, I'd forgotten myself, but it was mentioned in the news the morning.

569 SteveC  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:43:49am

Gooooooooooood morning LGF!

570 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:43:59am

re: #564 DistantThunder

That is despicable.

571 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:45:03am

re: #564 DistantThunder

Sadly, the double standards don't even shock me anymore.

572 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:46:08am

re: #564 DistantThunder

* * * *
That is obscene and discriminatory. If it were possible, I would remove my child from such a school.

573 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:46:17am

Hockey Thugs At War

Canadian troops in Afghanistan are joining the growing trend to revive nose art on aircraft. In this case, the Canadians are putting distinctive art work on their CH-47 and CH-146 helicopters, often images with a hockey (a particularly combative sport) theme. It was three years ago that two retired U.S. Air Force sergeants (Glenn Parker and T.P. Westbrook) began trying to revive the lost custom of affixing "nose art" to warplanes. Troops in many nations responded to this, another example of the Internet rapidly spreading new ideas.

574 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:46:24am

re: #560 formercorpsman

Thanks J.D. that looks like an interesting read.

Creates a pretty clear picture why PNC bought the bank they did as well.

You know, Wachovia was just getting established on the left coast when this happened. It was a very smart buy for Wells Fargo, I think.

575 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:46:26am

re: #566 pingjockey

Hopefully we can pull off what the French did. Pay the ransom, then send in spec ops guys, get the money back and the damn pirates.

I prefer a few sniper shots from the destroyer as sort of a object lesson.

576 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:47:37am

re: #570 goddessoftheclassroom
I don't have the words to describe how po'd I'd be at the school. Can you say 'thundering big lawsuit' for defamation, slander, unsafe environment for my kid, prejuidice, etc...

577 SteveC  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:47:51am

re: #566 pingjockey

Hopefully we can pull off what the French did. Pay the ransom, then send in spec ops guys, get the money back and the damn pirates.

Coastal Somalia has several cities that are pirate enclaves that are practically rolling in the money. If I were a Navy Commander, as soon as this was settled, I'd park a cruiser off the coast and see how many naval shells it takes to shut down the party.

but that is just me.

578 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:48:28am

re: #574 J.D.

[Link: www.wsoctv.com...]

Check this out.

579 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:48:32am

re: #550 pingjockeyGlad to hear that ping!
Hey, foget about Glenn Beck and O'Reilly and Hannity, when the hell is Fox gonna start ACCURATELY reporting the news? All day yesterday all I heard was that the American Crew had "re-taken" the ship and unfortunately the pirates had grabbed the ships' Master and had him in a lifeboat.
That's what F&F said AGAIN this morning. But my Reuters and Yahoo News are reporting that the Captain of the ship "traded himself" for his crew, so his crew was freed and he's in this lifeboat. The US Navy has at least one Destroyer RIGHTTHERE ON the scene with others on the way, and the lifeboat, Captain and pirates ALL aboard, is now bobbling around in the ocean cause it's outta gas. Why doesn't the Destroyer (which, according to the photo at least, has a fairly larger chopper aboard) just fly low over the lifeboat, dropping off SEALS one by one and letting the SEALS shoot the frickin' Pirates deader than dead or board the life raft or after dropping off the SEALS, have the chopper fly low enough to cause the lifeboat to swamp so the SEALS can pick up the Master or Captain and then kill the pirates?
F&F never mentioned the Destroyer, the Captain volunarily giving himself up to free his crew or anything like that!

580 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:48:34am

re: #564 DistantThunder

That's terrible! Of course, as a Christian, the civil liberties groups will offer her no protection from persecution & hate.

581 DistantThunder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:48:36am

re: #570 goddessoftheclassroom

That is despicable.

I'm stunned that the school didn't even consider the feelings these students - this tolerance of harrasment by authority figures in the disguise of free speech is just appalling.

582 Rednek  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:49:35am

Pretend your story was like this instead:

re: #564 DistantThunder

Want to know how hate is spread?

My 17 year old daughter was required to attend an author's presentation about her book about an Sunni teenager (Muslim) that has an abusive father, a submissive mother, and a Mosque that fails to help her. So when she feels desperate she decides to blow up the school.

My daughter was appalled. Her friends starting teasing her saying, "...oooh, should we be afraid of you now?" Because she is one of only 3 Muslims at the 1200 student school she felt shocked an ambushed by the topic. She fairly popular with quite a sense of humor - always laughing (Maybe because her father is so abusive, and I am so submissive) and she told her friends - You guys, it's just the opposite.


Just imagine what would have happened.

583 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:49:52am

re: #575 avanti
That'd work too. Actually, shooting the hell out of any small boat filled with armed goblins would put a stop to some of this silliness. However, the area we're talking about is millions of square miles.

584 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:49:59am

re: #552 goddessoftheclassroom Hey {goddess} Congratulations on making the 7 millionth comment! I sure hope Charles gives you a nice gift for that accomplishment!
:)
How are you today?

585 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:50:49am

Detail of Canadian Forces chopper nose art, "2 for Hooking!"

586 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:51:04am

re: #582 Rednek

Pretend your story was like this instead:


Just imagine what would have happened.

We'd be expected to feel sorry for the girl in the story who was so desperate that she had no choice but to blow up the school.

587 opnion  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:51:42am

re: #563 J.D.

When Michelle said she was proud to be an American again, that pretty much told me where she was coming from.

We are in uncharted territory with a first couple that seem to hold the country in so little regard.

588 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:51:52am

re: #585 Kenneth

Detail of Canadian Forces chopper nose art, "2 for Hooking!"

Nice! I love nose art & I love hockey.

589 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:51:58am

re: #541 avanti

Bailout.

On the bright side, all the populist outrage has trickled into the hospitality/tourism industry.

I guess only holy liberals can travel in style.

590 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:52:18am

re: #579 realwest
I have no idea. This may sound heartless to a lot of lizards, but I'd trade one captain to take out all of those pirates floating around in the water. I don't mean take into custody either. They're fucking pirates, treat them like the scum they are.

591 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:52:39am

re: #558 Kenneth Good morning Kenneth! I'm doing ok, just disappointed with the lack of accurate reporting in this country is all.
Those e-mails I got from Yahoo and Reuters were not both from the AP either, one was the other was from Yahoo directly I think - or at least no attribution was given to AP!
How are things with you today?

592 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:53:09am

re: #576 pingjockey

I don't have the words to describe how po'd I'd be at the school. Can you say 'thundering big lawsuit' for defamation, slander, unsafe environment for my kid, prejuidice, etc...

I have to agree.

Got to run--BBL.

593 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:53:34am

re: #559 Rednek

I would love to laugh at this if it wasn't so serious.

Basically, a liberal advocacy group gets is propaganda regurgitated by a whole bunch of news outlets all on the same day in an obviously coordinated political push.

The big final propaganda push to nationalize the health care industry.

594 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:53:56am

re: #579 realwest

Glad to hear that ping!
Hey, foget about Glenn Beck and O'Reilly and Hannity, when the hell is Fox gonna start ACCURATELY reporting the news?

Just now I heard the story about the ships Captain and hostage negotiation. CNN reported a FBI negotiator was on the way and the Navy was holding off. Fox took the same story and spun it to money being discussed up to 10 million, apparently just based on previous hostage deals. The Fox story was more interesting, although mostly made up.

595 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:54:09am

On a lighter note, the Yankess 2 stud pitchers have gacked it up in two games. Mwahahaha!

596 DistantThunder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:54:29am

re: #572 alegrias

* * * *
That is obscene and discriminatory. If it were possible, I would remove my child from such a school.

She's in her junior year of high school, is doing well, and has a great group of friends that she's known for years. It think it would make her miserable to be pulled out - but that was our first thought too.

I think we are going to demand equal time. Maybe we could bring in author Stephanie Meyer who has had multiple best sellers. Or Orson Scott Card - who is a science fiction icon.

597 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:54:47am

re: #562 alegrias
Hi alegrias - thanks for the warm welcome and I'm glad you met up with our friend - how is her vision coming along did she say?
And how are you doing today?

598 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:54:48am

Good Morning Lizards!

A very interesting article at American Thinker today about the Congressional Black Caucus' visit to Cuba to meet with the Castro boys.

Congressional Black Caucus Smitten With Castro

*snips

"He looked directly into my eyes!" gasped Rep. Laura Richardson (D-Ca.) "and then he asked: how can we help President Obama? Fidel Castro really wants President Obama to succeed."

"It was quite a moment to behold!" hyperventilated Rep. Barbara Lee. (D-CA) "Fidel Castro was very engaging and very energetic."

"He's one of the most amazing human beings I've ever met!" gushed Emanuel Cleaver(D-Mo)

"Raul Castro was a very engaging, down-to-earth and kind man," according to Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) "someone who I would favor as a neighbor. It was almost like visiting an old friend," (a Freudian slip, perhaps? Bobby Rush, after all, was a card-carrying Black Panther who did prison time)

All this praise being heaped on a regime whose record on equal rights leaves a little to be desired.

"The Negro is indolent and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent... We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the Cuban revolution. By which I mean: NOTHING!"
- (Ernesto "Che" Guevara.)

In fact, these lily-white European soldier's sons (Fidel and Raul) forcibly overthrew a Cuban government where Cuban Blacks served as President of the Senate, Minister of Agriculture, Chief of Army, and Head of State (Fulgencio Batista), a grandson of slaves who was born in a palm-roofed shack.

Today the prison population in Stalinist/Apartheid Cuba is 90 percent black while only 9 percent of the ruling Stalinist party is black. As these Black legislators cavorted in Cuba, a Black Cuban anti-communist named Antunez, who suffered 17 years in Castro's dungeons (essentially for quoting Martin Luther King and the UN Declaration of Human Rights in a public square), was on a hunger strike against Castroism.

The hypocrisy here is amazing. They rail against the numbers of black prisoners in US prisons who were convicted by a jury of their piers, yet say nothing about the prisoners in Cuba that are jailed on the Castro regime's whim, with or without evidence. As with Obama during the campaign, who you choose to associate with says a lot about who you are. The members of the CBC are showing very clearly who they are.

599 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:55:32am

16:38 Iran official: Suspension of uranium enrichment cannot be discussed (Reuters)

So far I'd say this talking nice to Iran is working out just peechy keen?

600 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:55:50am

Why do news outlets feel the need to embelish facts, editorialize the news and call it news? As Sgt. Friday said "Just the facts".

601 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:55:56am

re: #578 formercorpsman

[Link: www.wsoctv.com...]

Check this out.

The loophole is that a Charlotte business can use third-party consultants to find workers in other countries instead of hiring foreign workers directly. Those consultants provide foreign workers their H-1B Visas, fly them to Charlotte and pay for their apartments before sending them to work in a local job. But because the Charlotte business is paying that contractor and not the employee directly, it's not a violation of the bailout law.


Who comes up with these brilliant ideas?

602 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:56:52am

re: #598 Ford_Prefect

The members of the CBC are traitors...

Wait till next week when the Summit of the Americas takes place... Obama will be ball washing Chavez, Castro and other thugs...

603 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:56:58am

re: #595 pingjockey

On a lighter note, the Yankess 2 stud pitchers have gacked it up in two games. Mwahahaha!

He who laughs last laughs loudest, or longer, or better, or something like that?

604 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:57:07am

re: #591 realwest

I share your frustration with the media. So much of reporting is biased, incompetent or both.

I'm bushed this morning. M had a very rough day yesterday. I visited her for a while in the evening but she wasn't being very social. Just when things look like they're getting better, it gets bad. Consequently, I didn't sleep well.

605 DistantThunder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:57:12am

re: #582 Rednek

Pretend your story was like this instead:


Just imagine what would have happened.

Exactly. It's stereotyping and intimidation. The augther has a gay son, so i assume that has something to do with this Mormon as terrorist theme.

606 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:57:13am

re: #564 DistantThunder
Hi DT - that was absolutely despicable conduct on the part of the teacher/school and y'all ought to write them and say they've cause mental harm and anguish to you and to your daughter and they will be hearing from your lawyer soon! Seriously. Sue their asses off!

607 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:57:19am

re: #599 nevergiveup

16:38 Iran official: Suspension of uranium enrichment cannot be discussed (Reuters)

Well then let the bombing commence...

608 Yashmak  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:57:28am

Reading Asimov's sci-fi has always brought me a great deal of pleasure, largely due to the rationalism in his writing style, so clearly reflected in the quote above.

609 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:57:32am

re: #595 pingjockey

On a lighter note, the Yankess 2 stud pitchers have gacked it up in two games. Mwahahaha!

They sure looked good to me while wearing these Red Sox colored eyes.

610 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:58:19am

re: #565 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops, I'm doing ok, I guess, how are things with you and yours?

611 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:58:26am

re: #603 nevergiveup
True, but I haven't been a Yankee fan since the late 70s. Thurman Munson, etc.. It may be my antipathy for Steinbrenner!

612 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:58:50am

re: #609 Ford_Prefect

They sure looked good to me while wearing these Red Sox colored eyes.

And since the Rays and Soxs split the Yankees are only one game out. I always try to look on the bright side before I panics.

613 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:58:54am

re: #594 avanti

I bet some brainless Fox producer is currently pitching the next reality show:

Survivor Somalia!

614 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:59:52am

re: #609 Ford_Prefect
Heh.

615 Ateam  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:59:52am

re: #546 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a pleasant (45 degrees going up to 70 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing today?

Here in Tel-Aviv a very nice afternoon. 21 degrees (c) [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

616 SteveC  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:00:47am

re: #607 tfc3rid

16:38 Iran official: Suspension of uranium enrichment cannot be discussed (Reuters)

Well then let the bombing commence...

BOOM!

"We told you that we would not discuss suspending Uranium enrichment!"

"We didn't suspend your enrichment program, we ended it. And we honored your request... there was no discussion."

/I wish.

617 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:00:57am

Hope y'all will excuse this re-post from the Totten thread:

Thank God for Michael Totten. He is a JOURNALIST.
But this quote from his piece really started making my blood boil:

The rockets were purchased from Iran. We found some stamped with 'born on' dates after the fighting began. So we know that these guys were supported by Iran. We know for a fact they were dealing with Iran. The same thing with their EFPs, their explosively-formed penetrators. They're getting those directly from Iran.”
EFPs are the most terrifying IEDs ever designed. They fire molten copper plates faster than bullets at passing vehicles which cut through Humvees and tanks as though they were Jell-O.

“Do you know who they're buying them from in Iran?” I said. “Are they buying them from the government?”

“Who knows?” he said. “Maybe if we did know we could do something about it.”

My Spanish colleague Ramon Lobo from El País in Madrid co-interviewed Major Humphreys with me.

“I think they get them from the Revolutionary Guards,” he said.

“Right,” I said. “Which is, of course, part of the government.”

“According to Iraqi media,” Major Humphreys said, “they're getting support from the al Quds Force.”

The Quds Force is basically the special forces branch of Iran's Revolutionary Guards. Its commanders report to “Supreme Leader” Ayatollah Khamenei. Their mission is the arming and training of guerrilla and terrorist organizations around the Middle East – especially in Lebanon, Iraq, and the Palestinian territories.

So Iran continues to wage war on America and her allies. Started in 1979 with the take-over of the American Embassy and the holding of those 54 American citizens hostage for 444 days. Then they enabled Hezbollah to blow up the US Marine Corps. barracks in Lebanon in 1983, killing over 240 US Marines in their cots. And they've been funding and arming Hezbollah and Hamas to enable them to wage their war against our strongest ME ally, Israel.
Now we have evidence (we've had it even when President Bush was POTUS) that the Iranians have been helping "insurgents" in Iraq to kill Iraqi's and of course American troops - indeed, we have captured Quds officers alive in Iraq.
And President Obama wants to open up a dialogue with the Iranians. I honestly don't see what there is to talk about. What can President Obama say "Please stop killing Americans?" Can he make any credible threat to withdraw US Troops from Iraq THROUGH Iran; would he even think of such a thing?

I'm sorry folks but Iran is OUR enemy and has been for thirty years and we have done NOTHING to stop them from killing our citizens or taking them hostage.
Am I the only one who thinks it's time for some payback - some RETRIBUTION against Iran? Or are thoughts like these too "barbaric" for the "civilized world" to contemplate?

618 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:01:05am
...The CBC didn’t ask to visit political prisoners. Perhaps they might have made time to see the brave Damas de Blanco (Ladies in White) who have gathered — or attempted to gather — every year since 2003 to draw attention to their imprisoned spouses. In 2003, 75 pro-democracy demonstrators were arrested, summarily tried, and sentenced to long prison terms. Their wives and other supporters have been dressing in white and marching in Havana to call attention to their plight. In 2005, the Damas de Blanco were awarded the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought by the European Parliament. The Castro regime (the first name isn’t so important) has responded by ransacking the women’s homes, forcibly removing them from public busses as they made their way to Havana, and detaining them.

Cubans who dare to oppose the regime pay a terrible price. Rep. Barbara Lee (D., Calif.), who led this delegation and has been a Castro apologist for decades, should be deeply ashamed. So should they all.


Useful Idiots Caucus
Genuinely Castrophilic.

By Mona Charen

619 DistantThunder  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:01:26am

re: #606 realwest

Hi DT - that was absolutely despicable conduct on the part of the teacher/school and y'all ought to write them and say they've cause mental harm and anguish to you and to your daughter and they will be hearing from your lawyer soon! Seriously. Sue their asses off!

Thanks real. Our local church president in is a lawyer, and black. He just texted us to say that he will be back in town on Sat. and we're getting together. We have to draw a line. The comment from her friends, even though they were spoken jokingly, had that menacing impression of ostracism.

620 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:01:27am

re: #598 Ford_Prefect

It makes me sick. It really makes me sick.

621 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:01:45am

re: #601 J.D.


It never ends.

622 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:02:04am

re: #610 realwest

Good morning Hoops, I'm doing ok, I guess, how are things with you and yours?


Hey Realwest! How are you feeling today?
It's time for a coffee refill..jeez..I'm yawning

623 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:02:09am

re: #579 realwest

Glad to hear that ping!
Hey, foget about Glenn Beck and O'Reilly and Hannity, when the hell is Fox gonna start ACCURATELY reporting the news? All day yesterday all I heard was that the American Crew had "re-taken" the ship and unfortunately the pirates had grabbed the ships' Master and had him in a lifeboat.
That's what F&F said AGAIN this morning. But my Reuters and Yahoo News are reporting that the Captain of the ship "traded himself" for his crew, so his crew was freed and he's in this lifeboat. The US Navy has at least one Destroyer RIGHTTHERE ON the scene with others on the way, and the lifeboat, Captain and pirates ALL aboard, is now bobbling around in the ocean cause it's outta gas. Why doesn't the Destroyer (which, according to the photo at least, has a fairly larger chopper aboard) just fly low over the lifeboat, dropping off SEALS one by one and letting the SEALS shoot the frickin' Pirates deader than dead or board the life raft or after dropping off the SEALS, have the chopper fly low enough to cause the lifeboat to swamp so the SEALS can pick up the Master or Captain and then kill the pirates?
F&F never mentioned the Destroyer, the Captain volunarily giving himself up to free his crew or anything like that!

The Captain would probably be dead before the first SEAL hit the water.

What we need are explosive briefcases. Hand them one full of money; take the captain, and then set off the briefcase.
Where's Q when you need him?

624 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:02:14am

re: #617 realwest

Have we engaged their unclenched fists yet?

625 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:02:29am

re: #612 nevergiveup

And since the Rays and Soxs split the Yankees are only one game out. I always try to look on the bright side before I panics.

I heard this morning that one of the New York papers sports writers was saying that due to the starting performances of the first two games the Yankees absolutely have to win today. Man, only two games into the season and they are already panicking. And I thought Red Sox Nation was bad.

626 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:02:31am

re: #617 {realwest}
Upding!

627 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:02:37am

Reporter on Fox just said that the lifeboat holding the Capt. and the pirates is out of gas, drifting.
Nice plan, idiots.

628 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:02:40am

re: #605 DistantThunder
Wrong on every level ..and I agree..sue the Pi^& out of that school district!
Yet.....(I'll get slapped for this)...My son...(now in college,far from Utah,)was told"You don't belong here"by an LDS teacher at
a "PUBLIC SCHOOL" and only had two LDS friends in 6 years of
attending public school in Utah!
It swings both ways ...si my point!

629 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:03:01am

re: #617 realwest

The rockets were purchased from Iran. We found some stamped with 'born on' dates after the fighting began. So we know that these guys were supported by Iran. We know for a fact they were dealing with Iran. The same thing with their EFPs, their explosively-formed penetrators. They're getting those directly from Iran.”
EFPs are the most terrifying IEDs ever designed. They fire molten copper plates faster than bullets at passing vehicles which cut through Humvees and tanks as though they were Jell-O.

If IEDs are being mass-produced in Iranian factories, shouldn't they stop being called "improvised explosive devices?"

630 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:03:36am

Somali Piracy: A Solution
Security Aboard Ships - Not USS Sledgehammers - To Fight At Point of Pirates' Attacks


THE WRONG ANSWER

The US Navy (or any other navy) is not the answer. Wholly cost-ineffective, incapable of covering all areas and like swatting mosquitoes with a sledgehammer.

THE RIGHT ANSWER

The only tenable solution is to put the prevention at the point of risk: Aboard the vessel.

It is the only solution - sans magical liquidation of all pirates and their havens - that is fast-reacting enough or cost effective enough. (Have you ever checked the expense tab of operating a US Navy destroyer for a 24-hour period of steaming? It's an expense only a stimulus's mother could love.)

What does the security team look like? Pretty simple, actually. 4-6 men from the contracting outfit, with small arms with enough reach and punch to introduce a speedboat to the ocean floor.

Good common sense advice.

631 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:03:58am

re: #625 Ford_Prefect

I heard this morning that one of the New York papers sports writers was saying that due to the starting performances of the first two games the Yankees absolutely have to win today. Man, only two games into the season and they are already panicking. And I thought Red Sox Nation was bad.

Yeah, you should hear sports talk radio down here.

632 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:04:15am

BTW, Iran has an official state "Nuclear Holiday". Celebrating their nuc program.

633 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:04:21am

re: #597 realwest

Hi alegrias - thanks for the warm welcome and I'm glad you met up with our friend - how is her vision coming along did she say?
And how are you doing today?

morning sweetcakes! I'm pretty much all better. How are you? Seen Miss Trixie around?

{alegrias}

634 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:04:33am

re: #629 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If IEDs are being mass-produced in Iranian factories, shouldn't they stop being called "improvised explosive devices?"

You make a good point.

635 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:04:52am

re: #597 realwest

Hi alegrias - thanks for the warm welcome and I'm glad you met up with our friend - how is her vision coming along did she say?
And how are you doing today?

* * * *
You're welcome. Lizard's vision is improving I think. I'm fine, "hoping" to be back in the saddle & working soon.

636 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:04:55am

FBI raids Minneapolis cash-transfer shops in Somali community


The FBI raided three money-transfer shops in the Somali community here last night, apparently as part of an investigation into connections to terrorism. As many as 20 men have gone missing from the local immigrant community, and one conducted a suicide bombing last November. The FBI wants to know what happened to them, and maybe they’ve decided to follow the money.

[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]

637 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:05:17am

re: #634 J.D.

I always thought the "I" stood for Islamic.

638 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:06:03am

re: #590 pingjockey I like whoever's idea it was to send in a brigade of Army troops, supported by an Army Air Cav brigade and a Marine Corp Amphibious battalion and just pound the crap out of those Somali towns and take everything of value and leave them burned to the ground.

639 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:06:10am

re: #630 Kenneth
It would piss of the better half , but I'd volunteer. There are a whole shitload of retired, former, deck personnel trained in the use of small arms just waiting for a chance to swat pirates!

640 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:06:11am

Take it easy guys. I can't read anymore of this.

Go Phillies.

641 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:06:13am

re: #596 DistantThunder

She's in her junior year of high school, is doing well, and has a great group of friends that she's known for years. It think it would make her miserable to be pulled out - but that was our first thought too.

I think we are going to demand equal time. Maybe we could bring in author Stephanie Meyer who has had multiple best sellers. Or Orson Scott Card - who is a science fiction icon.

Good idea. Banning one type of speech could lead to banning more; the best solution is to show the other side of the issue properly.

BTW, LDS-bashing occurs in the Sherlock Holmes story "A Study in Scarlet", and at least one Zane Grey novel, "Riders of the Purple Sage" (but probably more).
However the LDS isn't the same as it was back in the cowboy days

642 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:06:17am

re: #632 pingjockey

BTW, Iran has an official state "Nuclear Holiday". Celebrating their nuc program.

Can I have the address, I'd like to send them a present?
Defense Ministry
State of Israel
Tel Aviv, Israel

643 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:06:22am

re: #630 Kenneth

Yeah, it does sound like simple common sense, but how much you wanna bet the insuring companies would have a fit?

644 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:07:06am

re: #620 formercorpsman

It makes me sick. It really makes me sick.

Truly. And where is the MSM media on this? For that matter where is Fox News on this? I haven't seen anything on it except for what I have seen online.

645 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:07:10am

re: #638 realwest
Like Hannibal or the Legion. Raze the town and salt the ground.

646 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:07:22am

re: #643 wahabicorridor

Yeah, it does sound like simple common sense, but how much you wanna bet the insuring companies would have a fit?

The insurance companies we own now or the ones we are gonna own?

647 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:07:29am

re: #595 pingjockey
Well then I guess the Yanks might as well call off the entire season, right?!?

648 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:07:56am

Dear President Obama,

I understand you're having some pirate problems. It just so happens I have some experience in that area, and a few ideas you might be able to use.

Hey, just give me a shout, and I can pass along some things I tried that worked out pretty doggone well.

Best wishes,
Thomas Jefferson

(If I don't pick up, just leave a message and I'll get back to you.)

649 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:08:22am

re: #599 nevergiveup

16:38 Iran official: Suspension of uranium enrichment cannot be discussed (Reuters)

So far I'd say this talking nice to Iran is working out just peechy keen?

I agree stopping enrichment shouldn't be discussed, unless by "discussed" you mean "destroying the facilities by any means possible".

650 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:08:24am

re: #643 wahabicorridor
In the long run it'd be cheaper than having ships and crew siezed and held for ransom.

651 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:08:44am

re: #643 wahabicorridor

My guess is the limiting factor is the threat of lawsuits from EU human rights activists worrying about the loss of traditional livelihoods among Somali pirates recreational boaters.

652 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:08:49am

My boss related to me what happened at his Seder last night. He & his family went to a Chinese restaurant that does a good business serving Jewish holidays, and there were at least two other families there, each trying to hold their Seder. One family was so loud, that they nearly came to blows with my Boss's family!

653 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:08:54am

re: #647 realwest
Works for me! Mwahahaha!

654 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:09:14am

re: #647 realwest

Well then I guess the Yanks might as well call off the entire season, right?!?

Judging by their first two starts, they already have. Ha!

655 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:09:23am

re: #598 Ford_Prefect

* * *
The CBC are Pres. Obama's delegation for dancing with dictators.

Joe Biden met with such "progressive" rulers recently in Chile, where socialist President Michelle Bachelet hosted socialist Spanish PM Zapatero, who promised to help "normalize" our relations with Cuba.

(Pres. Obama can't very well send "ex" terrorist Bill Ayers and his wife to do this dirty work)

656 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:09:40am

re: #3 redc1c4

these asshats never miss a trick, do they? higher cost of ammo will prevent shootings

And that crap about how he fired 98 rounds in a minute. Bullshit.

657 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:10:22am

re: #604 Kenneth I'm truly sorry to hear that Kenneth - not the sleep deprivation part, but the cause of it and I wish I had some words of wisdom to give to you but I don't, so I'll just tell you that I am praying for you and for her. Extra hard.
(Kenneth)

658 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:10:38am

re: #613 Kenneth

I bet some brainless Fox producer is currently pitching the next reality show:

Survivor Somalia!

Or
Pirates of the Somali Coast
With Johnny Depp and Kiera Knightly as hosts.

659 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:11:06am

re: #652 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My boss related to me what happened at his Seder last night. He & his family went to a Chinese restaurant that does a good business serving Jewish holidays, and there were at least two other families there, each trying to hold their Seder. One family was so loud, that they nearly came to blows with my Boss's family!

Well I am sure you know the old joke about the lone Jew on small island who gets rescued and they ask him why he built 2 synagogues? Well one was the one he went to, and the other one he wouldn't set foot in!

660 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:11:24am

Seems fore and aft deck mounted 50's and 6 or 7 military trained crew...24 hour watch ...they all have radar!
They saw this coming and couldn't do anything about it!

661 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:11:51am
England's top counterterrorism official resigned today after being photographed carrying — in public and in plain view — top secret documents related to a major government operation against terrorists. The Times reports that the snafu "provoked a hasty flurry of arrests and raids on properties by hundreds of antiterrorism officers around Manchester, Liverpool and Lancashire late on Wednesday." What invariably happens when investigations like this get pulled down prematurely is that there will not be enough evidence to proceed against some of the main players, who will live to jihad another day — er, I mean, conduct anti-Islamic activity.

Speaking of anti-Islamic activity, the woman who coined the phrase, Jacqui Smith, is also in the news. You may remember Ms. Smith, the Home Office Secretary, as the British official who denied Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders entry into the country (to screen his anti-terror film Fitna at the invitation of the House of Lords) at the same time the Labour government was demanding the release and repatriation to England of several non-Briton Gitmo terrorist detainees (like Binyam Mohammed, now at liberty and living on British public assistance). She has also run interference for al Qaeda muckety-muck Abu Hamza, delaying (perhaps forever) his extradition to the United States.

Well, it seems that while Ms. Smith was away on business, her husband, Richard Timney, was home watching porn movies on cable TV, the cost for which Smith billed to British taxpayers. (Mr. Timney, by the way, is also on the public payroll, the Times of London reports, "as a parliamentary assistant to his wife.") This was especially unwelcome news given that "Ms Smith is already being investigated by John Lyon, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, over her decision to designate her sister’s house in London as her 'main home'. This allowed her to claim £116,000 on her Redditch constituency house, where her family live, as her 'second home'."


Britain's Keystone Cops [Andy McCarthy]

662 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:12:27am

Later folks!

663 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:12:44am

Ping, I dont miss all that stuff! Just the good times!

664 Pupdawg  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:12:56am

re: #6 Fenway_Nation

I found another thing that doesn't belong on pizzas (but regularly apprears anyways).....

zucchini.

/Zucchini doesn't just belong. Period.


It might not belong as you say, but somewhat thinly-sliced, lightly-battered and fried zucchini is almost as good on pizza as eggplant prepared the same way...yummeee!

665 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:13:12am

Hoops! how are you?

666 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:13:14am

re: #598 Ford_Prefect
Good morning Ford! Haven't we ALWAYS know who and what the members of the CBC stand for? Is there a CWC? No? How about a CJC? I didn't think so.

667 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:13:25am

re: #633 wahabicorridor

morning sweetcakes! I'm pretty much all better. How are you? Seen Miss Trixie around?

{alegrias}

* * * *
{W. Corridor!}

668 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:13:39am

re: #651 Kenneth

My guess is the limiting factor is the threat of lawsuits from EU human rights activists worrying about the loss of traditional livelihoods among Somali pirates recreational boaters.

Next thing you know, they'll be wanting bailout money!

669 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:14:00am

re: #661 J.D.

Did you see Smith's response to all the publicity about her expenses (she expensed a lot of household items too, even a toothbrush).

"I'm being picked on because I'm a woman'

Seriously.

670 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:14:09am

re: #657 realwest

Thanks.

671 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:15:08am

re: #665 rightside

Hoops! how are you?


Hey Rightside! I'm doing great..sipping coffee..reading...
How is life treating you?

672 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:15:35am

N.Korean Rocket 'Made Using Chinese Technology'

What a surprise!

673 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:16:16am

re: #671 HoosierHoops

Damn good so far. Lawn already needs mowing though.

674 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:16:20am

re: #652 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My boss related to me what happened at his Seder last night. He & his family went to a Chinese restaurant that does a good business serving Jewish holidays, and there were at least two other families there, each trying to hold their Seder. One family was so loud, that they nearly came to blows with my Boss's family!

What did they eat? Matzu Shu chicken?

675 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:17:12am

Popping back in for a couple--waiting on a flight.

676 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:17:14am

Did anyone else watch South Park last night? I loved Cartman's imaginary flashback with the invading Jew robots.

Do you like fishsticks?

677 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:17:19am

re: #666 realwest

Good morning Ford! Haven't we ALWAYS know who and what the members of the CBC stand for? Is there a CWC? No? How about a CJC? I didn't think so.

The thing is, and this is mentioned in the article, back the 1980's the CBC was very vocal, and rightfully so, against South African Apartheid. Yet the Castro regime is far more brutal and oppressive than even South Africa was and they go down there and praise them. This needs to receive more widespread reporting, though I know it won't.

678 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:17:29am

re: #669 wahabicorridor

*shakes head*
Pitiful.

679 J.D.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:17:59am

Must run.

680 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:18:25am

re: #666 realwest

Good morning Ford! Haven't we ALWAYS know who and what the members of the CBC stand for? Is there a CWC? No? How about a CJC? I didn't think so.

And good morning. Ooo. I just noticed you got the dreaded devil's number post.

681 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:19:20am

The so-called strike fighter gap may be growing under Defense Secretary Robert Gates’ new cost-cutting budget.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

No shit sherlock!

682 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:20:02am

re: #629 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If IEDs are being mass-produced in Iranian factories, shouldn't they stop being called "improvised explosive devices?"

No, no, no, no, no. Then we might have to get serious about this war. It's much simpler for all concerned if we just keep pretending that it's a bunch of malcontents engaged in criminal activity until the headlines die down and we can all go about our business.

683 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:21:02am

re: #656 Ward Cleaver

And that crap about how he fired 98 rounds in a minute. Bullshit.

The most infuriating paragraph in the article:

New York senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand said Wednesday they will introduce legislation in Congress to grant honorary citizenship to the victims.

Really? Hey Chuck, somehow I think these poor folks would have much more appreciated an honorary Concealed Carry Permit. These gun-free zones are nut-magnets. Even if limited to the instructors, most of these "honorary" citizens might be around to have realized their dream:

Real Citizenship!

684 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:21:04am

re: #615 Ateam Good afternoon - a tad warmish no? Arent' y'all just about into the dinner hour over there? And of course tonight being the second Seder?

685 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:21:12am

re: #677 Ford_Prefect

The thing is, and this is mentioned in the article, back the 1980's the CBC was very vocal, and rightfully so, against South African Apartheid. Yet the Castro regime is far more brutal and oppressive than even South Africa was and they go down there and praise them. This needs to receive more widespread reporting, though I know it won't.

I watched a NatGeo program yesterday on "The New Black Panthers". Frankly, I don't see much difference between the 'new' and the old, but anyway - the inspriational leader was a guy by the name of Khalid Mohammed (died in 2000) - who preached that they couldn't just go into the white man's house and kill him and his woman - they had to go into the bedroom and kill that little white baby too. They kept talking about wanting their own nation. So why don't they move to Liberia already?

Nice people.

686 Gella  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:22:01am

good morning lizards :)

687 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:22:16am

This weekend will be 9 years since Democrats wished Fidel Castro a "Feliz Pascua Comunista" by invading an American home with automatic weapons, to grab a child and send him back to GITMO and Fidel's lap.

Janet Reno was the Big Easter Bunny who sent little Elian Gonzalez as a treat to an avowed enemy of the US.

688 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:22:54am

Super excellent morning view from the top of a mountain with clouds, light, air and granite. Towercam, San Gabriel Mountains of California.

Good morning on a day of natural beauty & completely artificial problems.

689 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:23:02am

re: #682 haakondahl

They improvised!
They got counterfiet American currency from thier buddies in
Lebanon to purchase the IED's...........

690 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:24:04am

alegrias

Now is your chance to tell everyone how adorable The Fat Beagle is!

(TFB actually became quite enamored of alegrias, I must say)

691 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:24:08am

re: #625 Ford_Prefect

I heard this morning that one of the New York papers sports writers was saying that due to the starting performances of the first two games the Yankees absolutely have to win today. Man, only two games into the season and they are already panicking. And I thought Red Sox Nation was bad.

One of the new car dealers here, Vandergriff Honda in Arlington, announced that any cars bought between March 9th and March 16st would be free, assuming that the Rangers won their first four games, and the Yankees lost their first four. Vandergriff is owned by the family of former Arlington mayor and Tarrant County judge Tom Vandergriff, who was instrumental in getting the Senators to move to Arlington, becoming the Rangers.

692 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:24:23am

re: #686 Gella

hi Gella.

693 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:24:29am

re: #619 DistantThunder
I'm glad to hear about your Church President. I'd like to think that that action by the teacher was either not thought out or poorly thought out, but something is nudging me to think that was a deliberate attempt to plant lies among the students about LDS.
Was the teacher a male or female, new or "experienced"?

694 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:24:43am

Wow, Pres. Obama declined three times to comment on the Somali hijacking situation.

Per Fox News.

695 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:25:11am

With the Iranians directly supplying terrorists in Iraq, in many ways, the appropriate response would be to arm Iranians who oppose the theocracy.
However, if I were an Iranian, I wouldn't take anything from the US, figuring they'd get the revolution started, and then leave me high and dry when the going got tough.
Don't just blame 0bama, though; blame Kennedy (Bay of Pigs) and Nixon (Vietnam withdrawal) as well.

696 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:25:41am

re: #629 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If IEDs are being mass-produced in Iranian factories, shouldn't they stop being called "improvised explosive devices?"

Sure, but we can still keep the acronym and use it for "Iranian Explosive Devices".

697 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:26:32am

re: #624 Kenneth Doesn't appear that we have, does it. Maybe we need to break a few fingers on those clenched fists so that they can't remain clenched!

698 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:26:33am

re: #685 wahabicorridor

I watched a NatGeo program yesterday on "The New Black Panthers". Frankly, I don't see much difference between the 'new' and the old, but anyway - the inspriational leader was a guy by the name of Khalid Mohammed (died in 2000) - who preached that they couldn't just go into the white man's house and kill him and his woman - they had to go into the bedroom and kill that little white baby too. They kept talking about wanting their own nation. So why don't they move to Liberia already?

Nice people.

No wonder they like the Palestinians. Same attitude.

699 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:27:10am

re: #691 Ward Cleaver

One of the new car dealers here, Vandergriff Honda in Arlington, announced that any cars bought between March 9th and March 16st would be free, assuming that the Rangers won their first four games, and the Yankees lost their first four. Vandergriff is owned by the family of former Arlington mayor and Tarrant County judge Tom Vandergriff, who was instrumental in getting the Senators to move to Arlington, becoming the Rangers.

That's great. There is a furniture dealer in Massachusetts that has done something similar the last few years with the Red Sox and winning the World Series in a sweep. I love how the car dealer worked the Yankees into it. How are the Rangers doing on their end of the bargain?

700 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:28:25am

re: #694 alegrias

Wow, Pres. Obama declined three times to comment on the Somali hijacking situation.

Per Fox News.

He didn't ask them to unclench their fists (full of ransom money)?

Maybe because they're Black and Muslim, he feels some kind of affinity?

701 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:28:30am

re: #600 pingjockey

Why do news outlets feel the need to embelish facts, editorialize the news and call it news? As Sgt. Friday said "Just the facts".

Unclench!

702 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:28:31am

re: #694 alegrias

Wow, Pres. Obama declined three times to comment on the Somali hijacking situation.

Per Fox News.

1) it's above my pay grade
2) Where is Somolia?
3) the horn of what?
4) I thought there were only pirates in movies?
5) We have a Navy?
6) Listen don't bother me, I got to study up on this Jewish crap for that Seder you
talked me into tonight.
7) Mearsk? Weren't they the enemy on "Get Smart"?

703 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:28:36am

re: #690 wahabicorridor

alegrias

Now is your chance to tell everyone how adorable The Fat Beagle is!

(TFB actually became quite enamored of alegrias, I must say)

* * * *
She AIN'T FAT! She is an adorable pup I wanted to take with me!
Yes, baby beagle pup is ready for prime time or Hallmark Cards--darling.

(It is Sancho the tubby Yorky terrier who has a paunch like his namesake Sancho Panza!)

704 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:29:12am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area on this Holy Thursday and 1st Day of Passover (Chag Sameach!) So, the US Navy is now in a waiting game with the Somali pirates still holding Capt. Richard Phillips. Why? What are they waiting for? The lifeboat they're on isn't going anywhere, and the pirates have no options.

705 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:29:21am

re: #625 Ford_Prefect
Nah, it's just the NY Sportswriters - if they can't savage a NY team, then they are unhappy for the entire week!

706 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:29:43am

re: #694 alegrias

Wow, Pres. Obama declined three times to comment on the Somali hijacking situation.

Per Fox News.

Voting 'Present!'

707 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:30:34am

re: #626 J.D.
He good morning {J.D.} thankew kindly for the upding!
I sure hope you're feeling better and better as the days wear on!

708 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:30:35am

re: #699 Ford_Prefect

That's great. There is a furniture dealer in Massachusetts that has done something similar the last few years with the Red Sox and winning the World Series in a sweep. I love how the car dealer worked the Yankees into it. How are the Rangers doing on their end of the bargain?

The Rangers are 2-0.

709 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:31:39am

re: #704 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area on this Holy Thursday and 1st Day of Passover (Chag Sameach!) So, the US Navy is now in a waiting game with the Somali pirates still holding Capt. Richard Phillips. Why? What are they waiting for? The lifeboat they're on isn't going anywhere, and the pirates have no options.

"Day 444, Capt. Phillips held hostage."

It's too bad that Phillips wound up off the ship, because he won't get any help from Obama.

710 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:32:17am

re: #690 wahabicorridor

alegrias

Now is your chance to tell everyone how adorable The Fat Beagle is!

(TFB actually became quite enamored of alegrias, I must say)

* * * *
I sang her praises earlier @ 562--can't say enough about TFB!

711 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:32:19am

Just read that ex-NBA great Marvin Webster was found dead in his Bathtub. Marvin was called the Human Eraser and was one of the greatest shot blockers in History.
RIP

712 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:32:47am

I'd sure like to know what the ROE is for the navy regarding pirates.

713 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:33:39am

re: #672 Kenneth

N.Korean Rocket 'Made Using Chinese Technology'

What a surprise!

Bet it's coated with lead-based paint. Don't lick it!

714 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:33:43am

re: #709 Ward Cleaver

"Day 444, Capt. Phillips held hostage."

It's too bad that Phillips wound up off the ship, because he won't get any help from Obama.

The US Navy has called in FBI hostage negotiators to help free the captain being held by Somali pirates.


[Link: news.sky.com...]

715 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:33:48am

re: #629 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey I don't know, I was just quoting Michael J. Totten who is one helluva JOURNALIST in the old fashioned (i.e., reports who, how, when, what and why with as little editorializing as possible) meaning of that term.
Sure wish some news outlet would pay him and publish his stuff unedited.

716 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:33:57am

re: #711 HoosierHoops

Just read that ex-NBA great Marvin Webster was found dead in his Bathtub. Marvin was called the Human Eraser and was one of the greatest shot blockers in History.
RIP

Well may he rest in peace but NBA "great"? And it is tragic, I think his son also died of heart problems in College?

717 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:34:16am

re: #713 Ward Cleaver

Bet it's coated with lead-based paint. Don't lick it!

Maybe that explains why the second stage failed. Too much melamine in the fuel.

718 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:34:35am

re: #713 Ward Cleaver

Bet it's coated with lead-based paint. Don't lick it!

No lick No-Dong!

719 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:34:38am

re: #704 lawhawk

I believe the ship owners have asked the Navy to back off - their priority if Phillip's life and the pirates can just shoot him in the head and be done with it.

720 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:34:45am

re: #702 nevergiveup

1) it's above my pay grade
2) Where is Somolia?
3) the horn of what?
4) I thought there were only pirates in movies?
5) We have a Navy?
6) Listen don't bother me, I got to study up on this Jewish crap for that Seder you
talked me into tonight.
7) Mearsk? Weren't they the enemy on "Get Smart"?

8) "Cool! I've always wanted to meey Johnny Depp!"

721 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:35:03am

re: #720 Ward Cleaver

8) "Cool! I've always wanted to meey Johnny Depp!"

meet.

/crap

722 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:35:05am

How Obama will win again in 2012: ACORN.

There are 200,000 more registered voters in Detroit than there are people.


Good morning all.

723 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:35:05am

re: #717 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe that explains why the second stage failed. Too much melamine in the fuel.

724 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:35:47am

I recall that Don Delillo (spelling?) in his novel Libra has David Ferrie say something to the effect that he believes in everything, just to make sure he's right.

It's an odd thing, but I have known one or two people of whom you could say such a thing; they believed anything and everything that came at them, and did so in part to avoid missing out on some piece, however small or improbable, of the truth.

725 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:35:58am

re: #630 Kenneth
It's good advice Kenneth except for a) oil tankers aren't that defensible and b) some of the pirate small boats are carrying 40mm guns and RPG's - you'd need something more than small arms to ward them off.

726 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:36:02am

re: #718 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
self deleted smart ass answer!

727 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:36:53am

re: #719 wahabicorridor

I believe the ship owners have asked the Navy to back off - their priority if Phillip's life and the pirates can just shoot him in the head and be done with it.

I hope they're not planning to pay a ransom. That would be a very bad thing. I think it's time to root out the pirates.

728 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:37:11am

re: #716 nevergiveup

Well may he rest in peace but NBA "great"? And it is tragic, I think his son also died of heart problems in College?


You are right Marvin Jr. Played basketball for Temple and died of a heart attack at 18 yrs. old.

729 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:37:11am

re: #633 wahabicorridor
HEY YOU! Gee it's good to see you and GREAT to hear that you're almost all better! How'd they finally get your vision fixed?!

730 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:37:13am

re: #722 FrogMarch

How Obama will win again in 2012: ACORN.

There are 200,000 more registered voters in Detroit than there are people.


Once again proving the need for voter ID's. No ID, no vote. Hey I want that on a bumper sticker!

731 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:37:37am

My beloved New York Metropolitans are 2-0... All that means is two less games needed to win in September (thank goodness...)

732 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:37:52am

re: #722 FrogMarch

How Obama will win again in 2012: ACORN.

There are 200,000 more registered voters in Detroit than there are people.

Good morning all.

Thanks, you just made my day.

/damn

733 Gella  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:38:24am

re: #702 nevergiveup

1) it's above my pay grade
2) Where is Somolia?
3) the horn of what?
4) I thought there were only pirates in movies?
5) We have a Navy?
6) Listen don't bother me, I got to study up on this Jewish crap for that Seder you
talked me into tonight.
7) Mearsk? Weren't they the enemy on "Get Smart"?

8) Is Johny Depp will be there?

734 Attaboid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:38:39am

re: #629 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If IEDs are being mass-produced in Iranian factories, shouldn't they stop being called "improvised explosive devices?"

How about Overthere Contingency Ordnance?

735 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:38:46am

re: #730 redheadredstate

But here in Texas, the Dems are fighting a voter ID bill. The usual BS about "disenfranchisement".

736 Gella  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:38:56am

i didnt see post with Johny Depp

737 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:39:02am

re: #733 Gella

8) Is Johny Depp will be there?

GMTA!

738 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:39:07am

re: #640 formercorpsman
Hey formercorpsman - I'm sorry the conversation has upset you - it wasn't my intention to do so.
Go Phillies!

739 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:39:11am

Hypocrisy alert:
Socialist bloggers insist on capitalism.

740 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:39:42am

re: #731 tfc3rid

My beloved New York Metropolitans are 2-0... All that means is two less games needed to win in September (thank goodness...)

My nephew pitched for them a few years ago and was traded in the Alomar deal. He liked the Mets organization, he enjoyed his time there.

741 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:39:49am

Morning, all. Re: the post a couple back; are the anti-vaccine people a problem of the right wing or the left? Are they really associated with Republicans or Conservatives? We have enough problems with the young-earthers without borrowing trouble, IMO.

742 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:40:10am

re: #730 redheadredstate

Once again proving the need for voter ID's. No ID, no vote. Hey I want that on a bumper sticker!

but but but...
an honest system would disenfranchise the fraud.

743 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:40:19am

re: #735 Ward Cleaver

But here in Texas, the Dems are fighting a voter ID bill. The usual BS about "disenfranchisement".

Yep, I know and have already written my reps. I'm in Texas too!

744 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:40:33am

Bracing for bloodshed in Bangkok

I don't even pretend to know anything about politics in Thailand, but I found this interesting. Doesn't look good.

*snips

More than 100,000 protesters — many from Thailand's poor upcountry — have amassed in Bangkok. This is a tremendous show of force for Thailand's "red shirt" opposition movement, which is campaigning to drive out the current ruling party — which is backed by old money and establishment powers.

I think the red shirts have been looking for crowds large enough to overwhelm the military. Is 100,000 enough? Probably. I was told not to show up tonight before having a heart-to-heart with my loved ones ... and finding some goggles to see through the tear gas. Great.

As I type this, taxi drivers, who largely hail from rural Thailand, have blocked one of Bangkok's busiest traffic circles with their cabs. I just received a text message from the red shirts that mobs are pushing towards Thailand's state-owned TV station.

I'm not sure how this ends. But I suspect that, before it's all over, someone will be hurt or killed. I hope I'm wrong.

745 JustABill  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:40:40am

re: #84 Killian Bundy

And as long as were talking putting U.S. military on ships to ride shotgun through Indian country, keep in mind that this was a U.S. flagged vessel. Seeing as how U.S. flagged vessels, unless the owner is an insane glutton for paying taxes, are as rare as unicorns, we're talking about defending about one ship so far. Are we going to defend foreign flagged vessels with Marines?

/no owner in their right mind flags a ship in the U.S.

Apparently the ship occasionally does sensitive work for the government, which requires a US Flagged ship.

746 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:40:44am

re: #729 realwest

HEY YOU! Gee it's good to see you and GREAT to hear that you're almost all better! How'd they finally get your vision fixed?!

Time, Restasis and a fabulous ointment I use at night called Mura-128. It not only protects the cornea, it has a saline/salt component that prevents my eye from swelling when I sleep. It has saved me.

747 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:41:24am

re: #742 FrogMarch

but but but...
an honest system would disenfranchise the fraud.

Dead Chicago Voters got ID...Toe tags....:)


/S

748 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:41:31am

re: #741 Spenser (with an S)
IIRC, they are their own brand of looney. Neither right nor left.

749 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:41:34am

re: #712 pingjockey

I'd sure like to know what the ROE is for the navy regarding pirates.

* * * *
What Jimmy Carter said!

(Put on a sweater & rock furiously in your rocking chair shivering)

Peace out, let it be, inshallah baby.

750 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:42:12am

re: #741 Spenser (with an S)

Morning, all. Re: the post a couple back; are the anti-vaccine people a problem of the right wing or the left? Are they really associated with Republicans or Conservatives? We have enough problems with the young-earthers without borrowing trouble, IMO.

Both. The Left-Coast anti-Western complete food elite giblet-heads are in on it, as well as the right-wing fundie anti-science kook giblet-heads.

751 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:42:16am

re: #740 redheadredstate

My nephew pitched for them a few years ago and was traded in the Alomar deal. He liked the Mets organization, he enjoyed his time there.

Who is your nephew? A follow their minor league system as well... I am sure I've heard of him...

752 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:42:18am

More Fox spin just now. Megan announced the government is delaying the results of the bank stress tests until the end of the first quarter. From that, she speculates that it's really bad news and the government wants to cover it up. Between her Beck and others, lots of conservatives may bail out with all the bad news speculation. Me, I'll wait for Cavato, she may be right, but the market is still going up and I can wait.

753 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:42:22am

Here we go, 12 million new Democratic voters!

President will reportedly press lawmakers to create path for illegal immigrants to become legal

754 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:42:24am

re: #745 JustABill

Apparently the ship occasionally does sensitive work for the government, which requires a US Flagged ship.

They were taking aid supplies to Kenya on this trip.

755 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:42:43am

re: #749 alegrias
Jimmy Carter can go pound peanuts.

756 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:43:29am

re: #750 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Both. The Left-Coast anti-Western complete food elite giblet-heads are in on it, as well as the right-wing fundie anti-science kook giblet-heads.

Mmmm... giblets.

757 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:43:44am

RE: the pirates

Why are we futzing around with just the ones on the lifeboat that's out of fuel? Why aren't we going to the mother ship and blowing it out of the water?

758 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:43:50am

re: #746 wahabicorridor

Time, Restasis and a fabulous ointment I use at night called Mura-128. It not only protects the cornea, it has a saline/salt component that prevents my eye from swelling when I sleep. It has saved me.

* * * *
May you be healed 100% soon.

759 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:44:13am

re: #754 wahabicorridor

They were taking aid supplies to Kenya on this trip.

Who says Barry didn't try to help his brother?

760 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:44:17am

'Morning, all.

Got some nice news from the tax revolt front in California. Last night one of the Republican turncoats, who signed a No New Tax Pledge less than a year ago and then voted for this current $50 billion tax hike, was served with recall papers! He was served at a fund raiser in a private mansion that was also attended by Governor Ahnold. About 50 people were protesting outside the community and when Ahnold drove in there was loud booing and chants of "Liar!"

Hopefully, the recall campaign can garner enough signatures and force the vote and then the people of his district bounce him out of office.

It's a start. And a lot more effective than attending a protest rally.

761 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:44:24am

re: #757 sattv4u2

RE: the pirates

Why are we futzing around with just the ones on the lifeboat that's out of fuel? Why aren't we going to the mother ship and blowing it out of the water?

We have a winner...ding...!

762 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:44:30am

re: #735 Ward Cleaver

But here in Texas, the Dems are fighting a voter ID bill. The usual BS about "disenfranchisement".

I'm in Texas as well (the Hill Country), and I've contacted my rep as well. It's confusing to me that somehow asking people to show identification leads to disenfranchisement. If the argument is that it's too difficult for some people to get to the DMV (or somewhere) to get a picture ID, well boo-hoo. Deal with it. If you're not willing to make that small sacrifice to protect the sanctity of our voting system, well you probably shouldn't vote anyway.

763 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:44:40am

re: #757 sattv4u2
Because I'm not the CNO or Chaiman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff!

764 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:44:51am

re: #727 Ward Cleaver

I hope they're not planning to pay a ransom. That would be a very bad thing. I think it's time to root out the pirates.

That's the preferred outcome from the insurance company. One wrongful death lawsuit would cost them more then it might take to pay off the pirates.

765 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:45:00am

re: #750 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Both. The Left-Coast anti-Western complete food elite giblet-heads are in on it, as well as the right-wing fundie anti-science kook giblet-heads.

OK, thanks to you and pingjockey. I think we should assume and act as if they are "the other guys" problem. The ones I've known all are.

766 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:45:13am

re: #753 Ward Cleaver

Here we go, 12 million new Democratic voters!

President will reportedly press lawmakers to create path for illegal immigrants to become legal

And like I said earlier, a permanent democratic socialist majority...

767 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:45:24am

re: #675 haakondahl
Good morning Hawk! I hope you have a swift, and very safe flight back.
But I wish you weren't going back at all - at least not for another month or so!

768 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:45:50am

re: #764 avanti

That's the preferred outcome from the insurance company. One wrongful death lawsuit would cost them more then it might take to pay off the pirates.

Fuck the insurance company. The pirates need to be taught a very hard lession.

769 KenJen  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:45:51am

McCain probably would have done the same thing.

770 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:46:35am

re: #764 avanti
Fuck that. You don't negotiate with terrorists, ever. BTW, I know it's done and we've done it.

771 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:46:49am

re: #757 sattv4u2

RE: the pirates

Why are we futzing around with just the ones on the lifeboat that's out of fuel? Why aren't we going to the mother ship and blowing it out of the water?

Great point! Take out the mother ship and ya know what we can call all those "fast boats" it supplies?

Buoys.

772 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:46:56am

re: #755 pingjockey

Jimmy Carter can go pound peanuts.

* * * *
He's been reincarnated with a vengeance--talk about bad Karma this last election.

773 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:47:01am

re: #752 avanti

More Fox spin just now

SPIN ,, or reporting what the lefty media won't?

the market is still going up
perhaps because the gov't is NOT releasing the data!

774 Gella  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:47:02am

headline on drudge
IRAN NOW RUNNING 7,000 NUCLEAR ENRICHMENT CENTRIFUGES

775 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:47:07am

re: #770 pingjockey

Can you say jimmuh carter?

776 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:47:21am

What's wrong with this picture?

777 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:47:32am

re: #771 subsailor68

Flotsam.

778 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:47:37am

re: #771 subsailor68

Great point! Take out the mother ship and ya know what we can call all those "fast boats" it supplies?

Buoys.

According to the Navy, it would take 61 ships to control the shipping route in the Gulf of Aden, which is just a fraction of the 1.1 million square miles where the pirates have operated. A U.S.-backed international anti-piracy coalition currently has 12 to 16 ships patrolling the region at any one time.

779 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:47:50am

re: #768 Honorary Yooper

Fuck the insurance company. The pirates need to be taught a very hard lession.

Pay the ransom, then track the bastards down and kill them.

780 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:47:58am

re: #765 Spenser (with an S)

OK, thanks to you and pingjockey. I think we should assume and act as if they are "the other guys" problem. The ones I've known all are.

Most of the anti-vac people I've seen around here fall into the same two categories as BDVM mentioned (didn't see ping's post yet). And, contrary to some people's beliefs here, they have always been in those two camps, albeit for different reasons.

781 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:48:05am

re: #775 rightside
No! It's hard enough to type!

782 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:48:10am

re: #758 alegrias

* * * *
May you be healed 100% soon.


Thanks, sweetie. Gotta hop - the office is getting busy and I'm on my own today.

783 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:48:38am

re: #757 sattv4u2

RE: the pirates

Why are we futzing around with just the ones on the lifeboat that's out of fuel? Why aren't we going to the mother ship and blowing it out of the water?

* * * *
Not to mention the overflowing Somali jihadist banks where piracy profits & plunder are kept.

784 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:48:39am

re: #774 Gella

headline on drudge
IRAN NOW RUNNING 7,000 NUCLEAR ENRICHMENT CENTRIFUGES

Time's almost up... Guess we need to talk...

785 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:48:43am

re: #776 Ford_Prefect

What's wrong with this picture?

The ad for Ann Coulter's book!

786 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:49:02am

re: #779 Ward Cleaver

Pay the ransom, then track the bastards down and kill them.

Hide a GPS locator in the bag?

787 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:49:58am

re: #786 Honorary Yooper

Hide a GPS locator Chuck Norris in the bag?

788 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:50:03am

re: #753 Ward Cleaver

Here we go, 12 million new Democratic voters!

President will reportedly press lawmakers to create path for illegal immigrants to become legal

* * * *
Si Se Puede!
Yes We Did

789 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:50:08am

re: #786 Honorary Yooper

Hide a GPS locator in the bag?

I'd say once they release Phillips, sink the lifeboat, and rake the area with machine gun fire.

790 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:50:14am

re: #774 Gella

headline on drudge
IRAN NOW RUNNING 7,000 NUCLEAR ENRICHMENT CENTRIFUGES

but are they clenched or unclenched centrifuges?

791 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:50:22am

re: #751 tfc3rid

Who is your nephew? A follow their minor league system as well... I am sure I've heard of him...

Well he's well known now since he's the guy who Bonds got the hit off of to beat Hank Aaron's record. His name is Mike Bacsik. Oh well, he's in the hall of fame or maybe in this case infamy.

792 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:51:05am

re: #786 Honorary Yooper

Hide a GPS locator in the bag?

Either that, or hide some C4 in the bag, with a timer.

793 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:51:11am

re: #778 Dustyvet

According to the Navy, it would take 61 ships to control the shipping route in the Gulf of Aden, which is just a fraction of the 1.1 million square miles where the pirates have operated. A U.S.-backed international anti-piracy coalition currently has 12 to 16 ships patrolling the region at any one time.

Good info Dusty! Maybe we could bring back the Q-Boat concept. Build a couple of hundred relatively low-cost ships and set 'em loose. Kind of like concealed carry. Pirates attack - Q-Boat blows the crap out of em. Let one go - to take the message back. Pirates from that point on wonder which one of those "innocent" looking targets might be ready to send 'em to hell.

794 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:51:20am

re: #687 alegrias
To paraphrase a noted speaker:
For the first time in my adult life, I was ashamed of my country that day.

795 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:51:48am

re: #792 Ward Cleaver

Either that, or hide some C4 in the bag, with a timer.

I like it. C4 solves a lot of problems.

796 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:52:02am

re: #762 subsailor68

I'm in Texas as well (the Hill Country), and I've contacted my rep as well. It's confusing to me that somehow asking people to show identification leads to disenfranchisement. If the argument is that it's too difficult for some people to get to the DMV (or somewhere) to get a picture ID, well boo-hoo. Deal with it. If you're not willing to make that small sacrifice to protect the sanctity of our voting system, well you probably shouldn't vote anyway.

A gazillion updings for that!

797 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:52:24am

re: #768 Honorary Yooper

Fuck the insurance company. The pirates need to be taught a very hard lession.

I agree, but that's all they've done recently, pay them off.

798 yesandno  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:52:45am

re: #531 J.D.

The Elephant in the Room: Obama vs. United States
The president is contemptuous of American values. And one key nominee prefers the judgment of other countries and global elites.

Worse then that, is his likely trip to the Supremes. Old Yale article, but still valid:

[Link: www.yaledailynews.com...]

799 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:53:37am

Good morning.

From the Clenched Fist Files:

Pro-Taliban cleric pulls out of peace deal

Pro-Taliban cleric Sufi Mohammad has announced he has pulled out of a peace deal in the violence-plagued Swat Valley, saying the [Pakistani] government is not serious about implementing Islamic law, or sharia, in the region.

How has it come to this? Good grief. We're 7-1/2 years out from 9/11; "Taliban" should be a curious historical footnote by now, not something that's threatening and making demands.

800 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:54:23am

Joe Biden, lying sack.

801 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:54:26am

re: #791 redheadredstate

Well he's well known now since he's the guy who Bonds got the hit off of to beat Hank Aaron's record. His name is Mike Bacsik. Oh well, he's in the hall of fame or maybe in this case infamy.

Oh yeah... He still with the Nationals?

802 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:54:33am

re: #711 HoosierHoops
Wow - hey Hoops do you have a link for that? Or did you hear or see the cause of death and/or his age?
I remember him from his days with the Knicks - he put "rough" into basketball lexicon!

803 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:54:53am

re: #762 subsailor68

re: #796 redheadredstate

If the argument is that it's too difficult for some people to get to the DMV (or somewhere) to get a picture ID, well boo-hoo

Here in Georgia they were offereing FREE ID's (for those that complained it would be a financial hardship),,,,, and they were further offering to COME TO YOU TO GIVE THEM (for those that started complaining they had no way to get to the DMV or gov't building)

The victim class STILl complained!

804 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:54:57am

re: #797 avanti

I agree, but that's all they've done recently, pay them off.

Well, that needs to stop. Now.

805 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:54:58am

re: #786 Honorary Yooper

Hide a GPS locator in the bag?

I thought we need to make exploding moneybags, something the pirates can't tell is explosive. Maybe need a hard briefcase for that.
The pirates check out the money, hand over the captain, go far enough away, and Boom!.

806 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:56:15am

re: #801 tfc3rid

Oh yeah... He still with the Nationals?

Nope, at 31 he's an old retired man. He now works as producer for the Norm Hitzges show at 1310 AM The Ticket Radio Station in the Dallas/Fort Worth area of Texas. He's got a wife who is a doctor and two gorgeous kids. He's doing well post baseball.

807 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:56:38am
808 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:57:25am

re: #802 realwest

Wow - hey Hoops do you have a link for that? Or did you hear or see the cause of death and/or his age?
I remember him from his days with the Knicks - he put "rough" into basketball lexicon!

Tulsa police said Webster was found in a bathtub at the Ambassador Hotel. Police spokesman Jason Willingham said foul play was not suspected and the death apparently stemmed from an illness. The preliminary cause was coronary artery disease.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

809 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:57:31am

re: #805 Kosh's Shadow

I thought we need to make exploding moneybags, something the pirates can't tell is explosive

Candygram for Mongo Ahmed?

810 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:57:50am

re: #800 Ward Cleaver

Joe Biden, lying sack.


He certainly is.

811 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:57:52am

re: #806 redheadredstate

Nope, at 31 he's an old retired man. He now works as producer for the Norm Hitzges show at 1310 AM The Ticket Radio Station in the Dallas/Fort Worth area of Texas. He's got a wife who is a doctor and two gorgeous kids. He's doing well post baseball.

He's a breathing lefty... There is always a position avaialble... LOL Trust me... He'll be back in the game if he wants to be...

812 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:57:57am

re: #798 yesandno

Most of the comments there are disgusting.

813 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:58:49am

re: #804 Ward Cleaver

Well, that needs to stop. Now.

Of course, but no one is willing to trade the captain's life to make a statement. As much as I hate dealing with the bastards, a life hangs in the balance. Get him back, then kill the bastards, even if you break the "deal" and sink the ransom money.

814 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:58:56am

G'day folks!

815 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:59:49am

re: #800 Ward Cleaver

Joe Biden, lying sack.

WATER IS WET
FIRE IS HOT
BIRDS FLY
FISH SWIM

((some things just go without saying!))

//just sayin!

816 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:59:54am

re: #800 Ward Cleaver

Joe Biden, lying sack.

Love these paragraphs:

"If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."

But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.

Global Warming forced Biden down! Curse you Al Gore!

817 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:01:29am

Anybody seen any news, that Obama's Teleprompter was picked up by the Washington D. C. Metropolitan Police Vice Squad in a raid on a massage parlor? Teleprompter was brought out naked covered in WD-40, with a bemused look on it's face?

/S

818 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:01:42am

Weird story of the day:

German Man's Skeleton Found in Tree Nearly 30 Years After His Suicidere: #813 avanti

Of course, but no one is willing to trade the captain's life to make a statement. As much as I hate dealing with the bastards, a life hangs in the balance. Get him back, then kill the bastards, even if you break the "deal" and sink the ransom money.

Whatever happened to "we don't negotiate with hijackers"? This country has gone soft. I know there's a life in the balance, but Phillips knows the risks.

819 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:01:53am

re: #816 subsailor68

a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.

Awwwww, now why did they have to go and do that?

820 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:02:20am

re: #816 subsailor68

Love these paragraphs:

"If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."

But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.

Global Warming forced Biden down! Curse you Al Gore!

I wish they'd left them there.

821 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:02:44am

re: #800 Ward Cleaver

He's a known plagiarist and a self-aggrandizing liar. Obama's keen character judgement skills show themselves again.

822 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:02:52am

re: #803 sattv4u2

re: #796 redheadredstate

If the argument is that it's too difficult for some people to get to the DMV (or somewhere) to get a picture ID, well boo-hoo

Here in Georgia they were offereing FREE ID's (for those that complained it would be a financial hardship),,,,, and they were further offering to COME TO YOU TO GIVE THEM (for those that started complaining they had no way to get to the DMV or gov't building)

The victim class STILl complained!

Oh gee and let me take a guess at the political affiliation of these so called "disenfranchised victims"...hmm....just guessing...that would be....DEMOCRATS! Funny how that works out isn't it?

823 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:03:10am

re: #813 avanti

Of course, but no one is willing to trade the captain's life to make a statement. As much as I hate dealing with the bastards, a life hangs in the balance. Get him back, then kill the bastards, even if you break the "deal" and sink the ransom money.

I like that part of the plan.

I don't mean to sound cold-blooded, but these particular pirates need to die violently, in a very public way, pour décourager les autres. This is the first time a US-flagged ship was attacked; we need to make it very clear to them that was a very, very bad idea.

824 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:03:47am

re: #819 Russkilitlover

Awwwww, now why did they have to go and do that?

* * * *
Behind Enemy Lines--the story of John F. Kerry's whole life

825 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:04:47am

re: #746 wahabicorridor
I'm so glad to hear that {wahabi} and SO GLAD to see you out here - your penetrating analysis of things political has been missed!

826 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:04:56am

re: #776 Ford_Prefect

What's wrong with this picture?

Nothing. It's accurate.

827 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:05:01am

re: #816 subsailor68

Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.

Not only that, but Hillary was on the line via satphone, instructing them on how to dodge sniper fire.

828 ladycatnip  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:05:42am

#816 subsailor68

...Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down ..."

Was that the same chopper Hillary was on when she said she was forced down under gunfire? Maybe she was on a plane.

Lying to dems is like breathing.

829 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:05:45am

re: #823 Occasional Reader

I like that part of the plan.

I don't mean to sound cold-blooded, but these particular pirates need to die violently, in a very public way, pour décourager les autres. This is the first time a US-flagged ship was attacked; we need to make it very clear to them that was a very, very bad idea.

With this president?

/just sayin'

830 yesandno  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:05:55am

re: #800 Ward Cleaver

Joe Biden, lying empty sacks.

FTFY

831 Bumr50  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:05:57am

Hey! Where do they detain international pirates if they, say, end this peacefully?
Just askin', you know cause I think we have a place for international pieces of turd.
Or at least we used to.
Is it still taking inmates?

I'd personally LOVE to see the Captain freed and the pirates incinerated, but things I love rarely get done.

Countdown to puff news piece on why these poor Somalis turned to piracy and why it's MY fault.....3.....2.....

832 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:05:59am

re: #823 Occasional Reader

I like that part of the plan.

I don't mean to sound cold-blooded, but these particular pirates need to die violently, in a very public way, pour décourager les autres. This is the first time a US-flagged ship was attacked; we need to make it very clear to them that was a very, very bad idea.

I heard on a news report this morning that the "mother ship" was in the vicinity, and several other US warships were heading to the area. That mother ship has to go. I sure hope we get some jets buzzing it and some warships barrelling down on it, at least. It's probably our only bargaining chip.

833 SurferDoc  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:06:08am

re: #823 Occasional Reader

Exactly. Dead bodies in the water, no ransom spent. Take the fun and profit out of it.

834 KenJen  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:06:21am

Ships keep getting attacked because ramsons keep getting paid.

835 SFGoth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:06:22am

re: #778 Dustyvet

According to the Navy, it would take 61 ships to control the shipping route in the Gulf of Aden, which is just a fraction of the 1.1 million square miles where the pirates have operated. A U.S.-backed international anti-piracy coalition currently has 12 to 16 ships patrolling the region at any one time.

That's bullshit. Start blasting them out of the water.

836 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:06:36am

re: #828 ladycatnip

lol, that was the tuzla dash with (poor) comedian sinbad!

837 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:06:37am

re: #757 sattv4u2

RE: the pirates

Why are we futzing around with just the ones on the lifeboat that's out of fuel? Why aren't we going to the mother ship and blowing it out of the water?

Geez, what a great question! And good morning to you!

838 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:06:45am

re: #823 Occasional Reader

I like that part of the plan.

I don't mean to sound cold-blooded, but these particular pirates need to die violently, in a very public way, pour décourager les autres. This is the first time a US-flagged ship was attacked; we need to make it very clear to them that was a very, very bad idea.

But Obama would never do that, because he's a complete wuss.

839 KenJen  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:07:42am

re: #834 KenJen

re: #834 KenJen

Ships keep getting attacked because ramsons keep getting paid.

ransoms. Wake up Jen!

840 ladycatnip  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:07:46am

#816 subsailor68

#827 Occasional Reader got it right. What he said.

841 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:07:48am

re: #823 Occasional Reader

I like that part of the plan.

I don't mean to sound cold-blooded, but these particular pirates need to die violently, in a very public way, pour décourager les autres. This is the first time a US-flagged ship was attacked; we need to make it very clear to them that was a very, very bad idea.

* * * *
Wasn't it made clear this past week, the US is only one of 20 countries, not the leader of the pack, so what's the point of just saying no to piracy? That's not G-20 policy! We must take our punishment like good betas, not alphas.

842 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:08:10am

Interesting.

Guys fake being in the service, fake medals they earned, fake being under fire/wounded.

They are ostracized, fined, sometimes go to jail.

Very good thing.

Politicians do the same thing.

They get re-elected.

Very bad thing.

843 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:08:12am

re: #833 SurferDoc

Exactly. Dead bodies in the water, no ransom spent. Take the fun and profit out of it.

Nah, makes for happy well fed Sea Kittens...

/S

844 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:08:28am

re: #835 SFGoth

That's bullshit. Start blasting them out of the water.

So far, the Indians are the only ones that have done squat. How sad is that?

845 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:08:56am

re: #827 Occasional Reader

Not only that, but Hillary was on the line via satphone, instructing them on how to dodge sniper fire.

* * *
I preferred Hillary's Annie Oakley pistol packin momma persona.

846 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:09:36am

+181.12

Good morning, fellow conservatives!

847 capitalist piglet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:10:07am

re: #800 Ward Cleaver

Joe Biden, lying sack.

He is such a blowhard. I honestly worry sometimes about his ability to distinguish reality from fantasy. He's like Walter Mitty with actual power.

848 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:10:23am

re: #846 Killgore Trout

'Morning KT!

849 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:10:35am

re: #828 ladycatnip

#816 subsailor68

Was that the same chopper Hillary was on when she said she was forced down under gunfire? Maybe she was on a plane.

Lying to dems is like breathing.

* * * * *
It was in Bosnia's war zone where Def. Secretary Cohen's wife Janet threw a hissy fit demanding Seven Up or Diet Seven Up from our military. In a war zone!

850 Engnrman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:11:18am

re: #727 Ward Cleaver

I hope they're not planning to pay a ransom. That would be a very bad thing. I think it's time to root out the pirates.

Agreed. Every time anyone pays these assholes ransom it encourages them to try the same thing again, thus endangering someone else in the future. Four pirates? Four snipers, four shots simultaneously - ready? Three...two...one...fire. Problem solved.

851 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:11:27am

re: #832 Russkilitlover

I heard on a news report this morning that the "mother ship" was in the vicinity, and several other US warships were heading to the area. That mother ship has to go. I sure hope we get some jets buzzing it and some warships barrelling down on it, at least. It's probably our only bargaining chip.

You neocon thug! Do we have probable cause to go after the mother ship (as confirmed by an international court of some kind)? Have they been read their Miranda rights and been provided with taxpayer-supported legal counsel?

//

852 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:11:42am

Navy protection team on-board the Alabama heading towards Kenya.

853 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:12:04am

re: #738 realwest

Not you at all my friend.

Someone up thread posted a link concerning the recent trip to see Fidel by the CBC.

It is on the American Thinker. Good read, but it will make you mad.

854 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:12:15am

re: #817 Dustyvet

Anybody seen any news, that Obama's Teleprompter was picked up by the Washington D. C. Metropolitan Police Vice Squad in a raid on a massage parlor? Teleprompter was brought out naked covered in WD-40, with a bemused look on it's face?

/S

There's a message scrolling across it right now: "Bitch set me up."

855 aussiemagpie  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:12:20am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!

Just looking at the online papers and found this....

Saudi man divorces wife by text message

A SAUDI man has divorced his wife by text message, according to newspaper reports.

The man was in Iraq when he sent the SMS informing her she was no longer his spouse.

He followed up with a telephone call to two of his relatives, the daily Arab News reported.

A court in the Red Sea city of Jeddah finalised the split - the first known divorce in Saudi Arabia by text message - after summoning the two relatives to check they had received word of the husband's intention, the paper said.

Saudi Arabia practises a strict form of Islamic Sharia law, and clerics preside over Sharia courts as judges. Under the law a man can divorce his wife by saying "I divorce you" three times.

The Saudi man was in Iraq to participate in "what he described as 'jihad'," according to the Arab News.

Many Saudis have gone to fight with al-Qaeda militants against the Iraqi government and US forces.

If anyone DARES to say that jihad is the search for one's inner self BLAH BLAH BLAH, I am going to quote this (along with a zillion other contradictions)

856 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:12:29am

How do I do a screen capture?

857 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:12:30am

re: #831 Bumr50

Hey! Where do they detain international pirates if they, say, end this peacefully?
Just askin', you know cause I think we have a place for international pieces of turd.
Or at least we used to.
Is it still taking inmates?

I'd personally LOVE to see the Captain freed and the pirates incinerated, but things I love rarely get done.

Countdown to puff news piece on why these poor Somalis turned to piracy and why it's MY fault.....3.....2.....

The British knew the right place for pirates. Hanging on the docks, and I mean hanging. Usually tarred, and in metal cages to keep the birds from eating the bodies, so they'd stay as warnings for potential pirates longer.

858 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:12:40am

re: #831 Bumr50

Hey! Where do they detain international pirates if they, say, end this peacefully?
Just askin', you know cause I think we have a place for international pieces of turd.
Or at least we used to.
Is it still taking inmates?

I'd personally LOVE to see the Captain freed and the pirates incinerated, but things I love rarely get done.

Countdown to puff news piece on why these poor Somalis turned to piracy and why it's MY fault.....3.....2.....

* * * * *
Pres. Obama's chosen my neighborhood of Alexandria VA for the GITMO jihadis. Betcha our dem. governor, dem mayor, 100% dem city council will roll over and accept with a warm welcome & welfare checks, these enemy combatants too.

859 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:12:45am

re: #844 Ward Cleaver

So far, the Indians are the only ones that have done squat. How sad is that?

Eh, good for them. Sad to say, but maybe their nation at least understands what's going on and what needs to be done about it.

860 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:12:50am

re: #846 Killgore Trout

+181.12

Good morning, fellow conservatives!

Are you a conservative now? Like.... Goldwater style, or what?

861 ladycatnip  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:12:50am

This lying thing...for some (most?) dems it's almost pathological. Why lie when you don't need to? Their reality is all in their mind, and whatever they want it to be at the time.

862 badger1970  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:13:23am

re: #790 Kenneth

Clenched=fusion, so I'd imagine unclench with a middle finger extended to "he who won't be named."

863 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:13:39am

re: #849 alegrias

* * * * *
It was in Bosnia's war zone where Def. Secretary Cohen's wife Janet threw a hissy fit demanding Seven Up or Diet Seven Up from our military. In a war zone!

Bless our troops for refraining from saying, "No problem Mrs. Cohen. There're a couple of cases right over there - just on the other side of that concertina wire. Have as many as you'd like."

864 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:13:56am

re: #841 alegrias

* * * *
Wasn't it made clear this past week, the US is only one of 20 countries, not the leader of the pack,

Yes, but OBAMA FORGOT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PIRATES! That's why this happened!

865 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:14:01am

re: #793 subsailor68
Hi there subsailor! A couple of HUNDRED? Nah, just need a dozen or so to get the message across.
Though personally I'd druther we "take care" of the towns and ports the "motherships" call home.

866 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:14:10am

re: #856 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Beer, it should be on the keyboard.

Top right, print screen, open word, right click your mouse, and paste.

I think.

867 rightside  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:14:16am

re: #856 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Press the print screen (might read print scrn) on your keyboard. Then open a paint program and paste the screen capture into it. You may now save the image.

868 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:15:11am

re: #860 Sharmuta

Nah, just being a wiseass.
Seeing an up day on the market these days always makes me happy.

869 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:15:18am

Early in the history of this nation we paid tribute to pirates:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"[B]y 1783 America became solely responsible for the safety of its own commerce and citizens with the end of the Revolution. Without the means or the authority to field a naval force necessary to protect their ships in the Mediterranean, the nascent U.S. government took a pragmatic, but ultimately self-destructive route. In 1784, the United States Congress allocated money for payment of tribute to the Barbary pirates and instructed her British and French ambassadors (John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, respectively) to look for opportunities to negotiate peace treaties with the Barbary nations. Unfortunately, the price demanded for these treaties far exceeded the amount that Congress had budgeted.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. [2] [3]

Jefferson reported the conversation to Secretary of State John Jay, who submitted the Ambassador's comments and offer to Congress. Jefferson argued that paying tribute would encourage more attacks. Although John Adams agreed with Jefferson, he believed that circumstances forced the U.S. to pay tribute until an adequate navy could be built. The U.S. had just fought an exhausting war, which put the nation deep in debt. Federalist and anti-federalist forces argued over the needs of the country and the burden of taxation. Jefferson's own Democratic-Republicans and anti-navalists believed that the future of the country lay in westward expansion, with Atlantic trade threatening to siphon money and energy away from the new nation on useless wars in the Old World.[4] The U.S. paid Algiers the ransom, and continued to pay up to $1 million per year over the next 15 years for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. Payments in ransom and tribute to the privateering states amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson continued to argue for cessation of the tribute, with rising support from George Washington and others. With the recommissioning of the American navy in 1794 and the resulting increased firepower on the seas, it became increasingly possible for America to refuse paying tribute, although by now the long-standing habit was hard to overturn."

870 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:15:24am

re: #856 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How do I do a screen capture?

In Windows, the "print screen" button stores the screen in the clipboard.
Then open Paint or another picture editor, paste, and you should then have the image to edit.

I forgot how to do it in the Mac.

871 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:15:50am

re: #868 Killgore Trout

I was book browsing earlier, and thought of you.

872 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:15:59am

After hiding from their attackers, then leading them to believe they were more in command of the situation than they really were, the crew jumped the pirates, capturing one of them, the elder Murphy said his son told him.

"It was by sheer force," he said. "They have no weapons -- it must have been, obviously, that they overpowered them."

He said three other pirates
"had gone into the water."

Heh.

Just wait unitl the Navy gets engaged.

873 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:15:59am

re: #865 realwest

Hi there subsailor! A couple of HUNDRED? Nah, just need a dozen or so to get the message across.
Though personally I'd druther we "take care" of the towns and ports the "motherships" call home.

Hi RW! Hope you're feeling well and chipper today. Yep, I'm with you on that. Be kind of fun to pull a Lord Nelson. Set up the line and make a run down the coast. One ship of the line after another.

874 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:16:12am

re: #791 redheadredstate

Well he's well known now since he's the guy who Bonds got the hit off of to beat Hank Aaron's record. His name is Mike Bacsik. Oh well, he's in the hall of fame or maybe in this case infamy.


Mike Bacsik is one classy guy.

875 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:17:13am

Good news, There's a 20- plus nation Piracy Committee and the UN Security Council and other mechanisms on the problem, per State Dept. spokesman in response to an Indian reporter's questions right now on Fox News.

876 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:17:26am

re: #799 Occasional Reader
Good morning to you!
"How has it come to this?"
I think we took our eye off the ball when we went into Iraq. Then turned it over to NATO - which, except for GB, Canada and the Dutch, have shown no real inclination to do any serious fighting over there.

877 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:17:59am

re: #875 alegrias

Good news, There's a 20- plus nation Piracy Committee and the UN Security Council and other mechanisms on the problem, per State Dept. spokesman in response to an Indian reporter's questions right now on Fox News.

Who holds the chair, Somalia?

878 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:18:04am

re: #856 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How do I do a screen capture?

Ctrl+Alt+print. Open Word and paste.

879 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:18:09am

re: #872 DaddyG

"They have no weapons -- it must have been, obviously, that they overpowered them."

An object lesson in the "21 foot rule".

880 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:18:38am

"We Do Not Negotiate With Terrorists" says US state dept spokesman.

Must not have gotten the memo from the CBC Castro-kissing cabal.

881 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:19:10am

re: #875 alegrias

Good news, There's a 20- plus nation Piracy Committee and the UN Security Council and other mechanisms on the problem, per State Dept. spokesman in response to an Indian reporter's questions right now on Fox News.

So, will the UNSC send the pirates a strongly worded letter? Can the pirates read?

I suggest we send some UN on a fact-finding mission off the Somali coast.
Then see if the pirates beg us to take them back.

882 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:19:17am

re: #874 HoosierHoops

Mike Bacsik is one classy guy.

Thanks, I agree. Oh and btw when he was a kid he would have been labeled with the moniker ADHD. Fortunately instead of putting him on meds his folks put him into baseball. This gave an outlet to all that restless energy. The rest as they say is history. He's a very nice young man now and a great dad and husband.

883 Truck Monkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:19:19am

re: #857 Kosh's Shadow

The British knew the right place for pirates. Hanging on the docks, and I mean hanging. Usually tarred, and in metal cages to keep the birds from eating the bodies, so they'd stay as warnings for potential pirates longer.

One of the first foreign entanglements for our military was with the Mohammedans in the Mediterranean Sea hijacking and harassing ours and others International trade. The Mohammadans are the same. It looks like we are not.

884 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:20:09am

re: #877 doppelganglander

There's a Piracy Committee? What do they do? Write letter to the pirates offering them ransom and tribute? Sounds like we're back to 1787.

885 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:20:24am

re: #855 aussiemagpie

The Saudi man was in Iraq to participate in "what he described as 'jihad'," according to the Arab News.

Many Saudis have gone to fight with al-Qaeda militants against the Iraqi government and US forces.

Ah! Our good, good friends, the Saudis! By all means Obama, bow down and pay homage to their king. *spit*

886 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:20:24am

"It's going to take time" (444 days? Memories!)

State Department spokesman.

887 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:20:37am

re: #875 alegrias

Good news, There's a 20- plus nation Piracy Committee and the UN Security Council and other mechanisms on the problem, per State Dept. spokesman in response to an Indian reporter's questions right now on Fox News.

In a press release, the Committee Chair announced that the Somali pirates have all been granted immigration status by the Obama administration. They will be re-located to Lake Havasu where they will be given jobs as paddle-boat operators.

888 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:20:46am

re: #871 Sharmuta

Dianna recommended a great one to me about where the where the stories in the bible originally came from. Sort of like a folklore study. Very interesting.

When I'm not reading Zen these days I'm trying to figure out economics. I'm trying really hard to understand all this stuff, it's really complicated.

889 SFGoth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:21:02am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

LOL

890 MPH  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:21:26am

Logged on PajamasMedia this morning and I get to see Robert Spencer's smiling mug.

891 KenJen  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:22:15am

Who would have jurisdiction over captured pirates?

892 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:22:15am

re: #886 alegrias

"It's going to take time" (444 days? Memories!)

State Department spokesman.

This is fucking insane.

If we can't (or won't) take down four scrawny Somali pirates in a stationary lifeboat, we might as well pack it in and stop calling ourselves a "superpower".

893 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:22:42am

re: #891 KenJen

Davey Jones.

894 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:22:45am

Anyone here like fishsticks?

895 SFGoth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:22:46am

re: #891 KenJen

Who would have jurisdiction over captured pirates?

A U.S. Navy torpedo.

896 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:22:56am

Good news: the UN wrote a stern letter to the pirates.
Bad news: the pirates can't read.

897 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:23:00am

re: #888 Killgore Trout

I'm still reading A Conflict of Visions, which I recommend to all Lizards.

It's slow going because it's given me lots to think about. It's a thinking book, not a page turner.

898 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:23:05am

Take the Gitmo detainees, strap bombs to their butts and drop them on the Somali pirate ships. Jihadists get martyred, pirates get their clocks cleaned. Everyone is happy.

//

899 SFGoth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:23:09am

re: #893 Lincolntf

Davey Jones.

His locker.

900 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:23:15am

Pieces of 8ight

Youtube Video
901 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:23:21am

re: #892 Occasional Reader

This is fucking insane.

If we can't (or won't) take down four scrawny Somali pirates in a stationary lifeboat, we might as well pack it in and stop calling ourselves a "superpower".

* * * *
That was decided Nov. 4, 2008. This is all details.

902 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:23:22am

re: #888 Killgore Trout


When I'm not reading Zen these days I'm trying to figure out economics. I'm trying really hard to understand all this stuff, it's really complicated.

I recommend Hernando de Soto's The Mystery of Capital.

903 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:23:52am

re: #890 MPH

Logged on PajamasMedia this morning and I get to see Robert Spencer's smiling mug.

Yeesh. Hope the rest of your day goes better.

904 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:24:24am

re: #897 Sharmuta

Looks interesting.

905 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:24:27am

re: #803 sattv4u2 Huh. I'm told that - before I returned to N.C. - no photo ID was required to vote. It is now. Hell when they couldn't find Mom's registration (from the 2006 election) they asked for photo ID before they'd even let her fill out one of those ballots (contingency or somesuch?)!

906 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:24:36am

re: #902 Occasional Reader

I recommend Hernando de Soto's The Mystery of Capital.

That's de Soto? I'd heard that was the title of Obama's next book.

907 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:24:40am

re: #891 KenJen

Who would have jurisdiction over captured pirates?

Under generally accepted principles of international law, piracy falls under "universal jurisdiction". Anyone, anywhere can prosecute them.

But as noted above, I think they need to be killed, not arrested.

908 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:24:42am

re: #896 Kenneth

Good news: the UN wrote a stern letter to the pirates.
Bad news: the pirates can't read.

* * * *
WRONG--these are new & improved, Minnesota-educated Somali pirates.

They can wisecrack like Al Franken for some reason.

909 ladycatnip  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:25:08am

#889 SFGoth

Lol

Right under the caption State Department Briefing: Watch Live, is 10 Best Stoner Movies. There clearly must be a link.

910 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:25:25am

re: #888 Killgore Trout

For the best adult learning courses via DVD, try this:

[Link: www.teach12.com...]

911 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:25:37am

re: #906 subsailor68

That's de Soto? I'd heard that was the title of Obama's next book.

Heh.

Actually de Soto is very pro-capitalism, with a very interesting take it.

912 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:25:59am

re: #887 subsailor68

In a press release, the Committee Chair announced that the Somali pirates have all been granted immigration status by the Obama administration. They will be re-located to Lake Havasu where they will be given jobs as paddle-boat operators.

No, they'll get new jobs as fishing boat inspectors to make sure our hard-working fishermen don't overfish the sea kittens.
Or that the ex-pirates at least get their bribes.

913 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:25:59am

re: #906 subsailor68

That's de Soto? I'd heard that was the title of Obama's next book.

De Soto?....That was my dad's car...:)


/S

914 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:26:14am

re: #904 Killgore Trout

Very. And highly relevant these days. I no longer see left and right, I only see the two visions. It's a much better political indicator then the outdated wings we use now.

915 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:26:26am

re: #832 Russkilitlover

I heard on a news report this morning that the "mother ship" was in the vicinity, and several other US warships were heading to the area. That mother ship has to go. I sure hope we get some jets buzzing it and some warships barrelling down on it, at least. It's probably our only bargaining chip.

With the jets and warships I don't believe we need a bargaining chip.

We need to rescue the captain, sink the dingy and blow the mothership to Mars.

That will send a nice message to these terrorists!

DON'T F#CK WITH THE US!

916 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:26:32am

re: #895 SFGoth

A U.S. Navy torpedo.

Waste of a torpedo.

917 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:26:39am

Personally I don't think these pirates are suicidal jihades. They are crooks, thieves, and scalawags. They don't want to die. I'd just make them an offer that they can't refuse, get the Capt. back and end this thing.

918 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:27:01am

re: #906 subsailor68

That's de Soto? I'd heard that was the title of Obama's next book.

* * * *
Dreams of My Capital Flight

919 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:27:19am

re: #913 Dustyvet

De Soto?....That was my dad's car...:)

/S

Oh man! Mine too. Push-button drive and everything? Good times.

920 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:27:30am

re: #883 Truck Monkey

One of the first foreign entanglements for our military was with the Mohammedans in the Mediterranean Sea hijacking and harassing ours and others International trade. The Mohammadans are the same. It looks like we are not.


They did just try to execute a guy for translating the Koran into another language. In fairness they seem to be progressing from the 7th century to the 12th century. Now if we can only get them to come out from the dark ages.

//sort of

921 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:28:09am

re: #808 sattv4u2
Hey thanks a lot for that sattv4u2!

922 Macker  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:28:09am

re: #896 Kenneth

Good news: the UN wrote a stern letter to the pirates.
Bad news: the pirates can't read.

Worse news: they can only read the Koran.

923 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:28:24am

re: #907 Occasional Reader

Under generally accepted principles of international law, piracy falls under "universal jurisdiction". Anyone, anywhere can prosecute them.

But as noted above, I think they need to be killed, not arrested.

I agree. They all need to be killed. No negotiations!

924 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:28:33am

re: #894 Egregious Philbin

Anyone here like fishsticks?

Apparently Kanye West does.

925 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:28:34am

re: #894 Egregious Philbin

Anyone here like fishsticks?

Cartman?

926 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:28:53am

re: #919 subsailor68

Oh man! Mine too. Push-button drive and everything? Good times.

Yeah, and it was a frigging Tank...:)

927 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:30:42am

re: #923 vapig

I agree. They all need to be killed. No negotiations!

* * * *

We'll have no more cowboy unilateralist actions, no more dead or alive, no more death penalty or capital punishment.

What the world needs now is understanding them, bailouts & kumbaya.

928 johnnyreb  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:30:56am

re: #813 avanti

Of course, but no one is willing to trade the captain's life to make a statement. As much as I hate dealing with the bastards, a life hangs in the balance. Get him back, then kill the bastards, even if you break the "deal" and sink the ransom money.

Break a deal, face the wheel!

929 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:31:30am

re: #917 nevergiveup

Personally I don't think these pirates are suicidal jihades. They are crooks, thieves, and scalawags. They don't want to die. I'd just make them an offer that they can't refuse, get the Capt. back and end this thing.

Not all jihades are suicidal. As far back as the beginning of islam with the prophet in chief (the mighty mo), muslims have been kidnapping and ransoming their captives. It was their number one economy booster.

The need to be shown that it's not profitable!

930 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:31:56am

re: #928 johnnyreb

Break a deal, face the wheel!

Who run Bartertown?

931 aussiemagpie  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:31:58am

re: #885 Russkilitlover

I just hate it that these rotten countries in the ME have most of the oil

That is so cruel....

932 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:32:13am

re: #924 Mad Al-Jaffee

Apparently Kanye West does.

Damn, that was funny. I love anything that brings Kanye down a peg. What an arrogant jerk.

933 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:32:22am

re: #917 nevergiveup

Personally I don't think these pirates are suicidal jihades. They are crooks, thieves, and scalawags. They don't want to die. I'd just make them an offer that they can't refuse, get the Capt. back and end this thing.

Piracy $$s are more than the entire GDP of Somalia. I sure as shit hope that Obama doesn't feel the need to show military friskiness by starting something up in that God-forsaken country.

934 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:32:26am

re: #866 formercorpsman

re: #867 rightside

re: #870 Kosh's Shadow

re: #878 VegasRick

Thanks!

935 SFGoth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:32:29am

re: #909 ladycatnip

#889 SFGoth

Lol

Right under the caption State Department Briefing: Watch Live, is 10 Best Stoner Movies. There clearly must be a link.

"Dazed and Confused" is a fucking riot. I've watched it numerous times (oddly, always sober). Best line is Matthew McConaughy: "What I love about high school girls - I get older, they stay the same age."

936 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:32:48am

re: #932 doppelganglander

Damn, that was funny. I love anything that brings Kanye down a peg. What an arrogant jerk.

He is a genius & the voice of my generation!
/

937 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:33:05am

re: #927 alegrias

* * * *

We'll have no more cowboy unilateralist actions, no more dead or alive, no more death penalty or capital punishment.

What the world needs now is understanding them, bailouts & kumbaya.

We're dead.....

938 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:33:25am

re: #928 johnnyreb

Break a deal, face the wheel!

You think I don't know the law? Wasn't it me who wrote it? And I say that this man has broken the law. Right or wrong, we had a deal. And the law says: bust a deal and face the wheel!

939 Truck Monkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:34:17am

re: #894 Egregious Philbin

Anyone here like fishsticks?

What part of the Fish is the "stick"? Until that can be explained I cannot partake.

940 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:34:17am

re: #936 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He is a genius & the voice of my generation!
/

LOL! If by generation of arrogant whiners destroyed by the self-esteem movement, then yes, he is.

941 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:34:30am

Did y'all see this Rasmussen poll?
Just 53% say capitalism is better than socialism.
Wonder how many of those polled actually know the difference?

942 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:34:43am

re: #931 aussiemagpie

I just hate it that these rotten countries in the ME have most of the oil

That is so cruel....

Actually, we are the ME in coal and oil shale resources. No telling what our offshore capacities are.

Unfortunately, our elected tormentors won't let us anywhere near it!

943 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:34:46am

re: #936 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He is a genius & the voice of my generation!
/

LOL! "Kanye West young man." - Horace Greeley IV.

944 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:34:49am

re: #932 doppelganglander

Damn, that was funny. I love anything that brings Kanye down a peg. What an arrogant jerk.

I know very little about him (never even heard of him until his stupid rant against Bush after Katrina), but I still thought that episode was hilarious.

945 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:34:54am

re: #931 aussiemagpie

I just hate it that these rotten countries in the ME have most of the oil

That is so cruel....

Were it not for that geological/geographical accident, they would be nothing more than the inconsequential, medieval goatherders that they are.......
They are not good stewards of their resources.

946 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:35:12am

re: #939 Truck Monkey

What part of the Fish is the "stick"? Until that can be explained I cannot partake.

Or the chicken finger...

947 johnnyreb  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:35:20am

re: #933 Russkilitlover

Piracy $$s are more than the entire GDP of Somalia. I sure as shit hope that Obama doesn't feel the need to show military friskiness by starting something up in that God-forsaken country.


We honestly need to bail out from the entire east side of the African continent. We have spent billions there with zero effect. We simply do not have the resources to police the entire world by ourselves and it looks the rest of the world have given up on Africa. Well except the UN doing all the raping and stealing that other countries won't do.

948 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:35:27am

re: #853 formercorpsman
Ah, well I'm glad it wasn't me! I did read that CBC article and did get thoroughly pissed off, then remembered who it was I was pissed off at and realized they aren't worth getting pissed off about!

949 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:35:35am

re: #940 doppelganglander

Gawd, that's barely English.

If by that you mean a generation of arrogant whiners destroyed by the self-esteem movement, then yes, he is.

950 SFGoth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:35:50am

re: #941 redstateredneck

Did y'all see this Rasmussen poll?
Just 53% say capitalism is better than socialism.
Wonder how many of those polled actually know the difference?

Well, if we didn't have idiots like McCain who spouted the term without telling us what it is.... Then again, we wouldn't have the Republican Party if we didn't have idiots like McCain.

951 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:35:57am

re: #946 ilzito guacamolito

Or the chicken finger...

Pieces and parts!

952 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:36:11am

re: #946 ilzito guacamolito

Or the chicken finger...

Or the chicken breast, for that matter. I never heard of a chicken nursing before!

953 tradewind  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:36:47am

re: #942 vapig

Or you could look at it this way... our oil is sitting under their sand.
For now.

954 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:37:00am

Well, gotta go. Reports due & boss is calling.

BBL

955 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:37:11am

re: #946 ilzito guacamolito

Or the chicken finger...

Obama fingers?

956 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:37:23am

re: #951 redstateredneck

Pieces and parts!


Or as people who work in the slaughterhouse business say...lips and assholes.

957 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:37:53am

re: #941 redstateredneck

Did y'all see this Rasmussen poll?
Just 53% say capitalism is better than socialism.
Wonder how many of those polled actually know the difference?

"Adults under 30 are essentially evenly divided: 37% prefer capitalism, 33% socialism, and 30% are undecided. Thirty-somethings are a bit more supportive of the free-enterprise approach with 49% for capitalism and 26% for socialism. Adults over 40 strongly favor capitalism, and just 13% of those older Americans believe socialism is better."

In other words college students who failed econ 101 and high school dropouts working the fry machine at the local fast food joint have no freaking idea what the question meant. Moonbat protesters really like Che. And Adults who have to work for a living would like to keep more than 20% of their paycheck.

958 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:37:53am

re: #956 ilzito guacamolito

Or as people who work in the slaughterhouse business say...lips and assholes.

That's potted meat.
;-)

959 Ateam  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:38:04am

re: #684 realwest

Good afternoon - a tad warmish no? Arent' y'all just about into the dinner hour over there? And of course tonight being the second Seder?

We were celebrating Passover festive at my old brother's place. 32 people including children's. Good foods & drinks. Lovely evening to stay with family. I enjoy most giving the little once presents. It's always Knock yo out to show how kids r 2 enjoy.

960 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:38:07am

re: #883 Truck Monkey

See my comment # 869.

961 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:38:15am

re: #952 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or the chicken breast, for that matter. I never heard of a chicken nursing before!

Or boneless chicken. I have never figured out they raise boneless chickens. You'd think they'd just be lying around on the ground and have to be hand fed or something.....
/

962 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:38:40am

re: #947 johnnyreb

We honestly need to bail out from the entire east side of the African continent. We have spent billions there with zero effect. We simply do not have the resources to police the entire world by ourselves and it looks the rest of the world have given up on Africa. Well except the UN doing all the raping and stealing that other countries won't do.

Obama will never stop aid to Africa. Hasn't he (as a senator) introduced a bill that would transfer the majority of American capitol to the African continent?

963 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:38:59am

re: #941 redstateredneck

Did y'all see this Rasmussen poll?
Just 53% say capitalism is better than socialism.
Wonder how many of those polled actually know the difference?

That is truly terrifying.

964 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:39:04am

re: #946 ilzito guacamolito

Or the chicken finger...

I never finger my chicken, I always use a cock's comb.

965 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:39:09am

re: #957 DaddyG

In other words college students who failed econ 101 and high school dropouts working the fry machine at the local fast food joint have no freaking idea what the question meant. Moonbat protesters really like Che. And Adults who have to work for a living would like to keep more than 20% of their paycheck.

You got it.

966 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:39:19am

re: #958 redstateredneck

That's potted meat.
;-)


Ah, baloney!
/
;-)

967 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:39:20am

re: #929 vapig

Not all jihades are suicidal. As far back as the beginning of islam with the prophet in chief (the mighty mo), muslims have been kidnapping and ransoming their captives. It was their number one economy booster.

The need to be shown that it's not profitable!

Well the offer I think they should make that the pirates can't refuse doesn't involve giving them money.

968 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:39:58am

re: #961 LGoPs

Or boneless chicken. I have never figured out they raise boneless chickens. You'd think they'd just be lying around on the ground and have to be hand fed or something.....
/

Gary Larson had a Far Side cartoon of a "Boneless Chicken Ranch", showing the birds draped over fences and such.

969 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:40:13am

re: #956 ilzito guacamolito

Or as people who work in the slaughterhouse business say...lips and assholes.


From whence do chicken nuggets hail?
Nose, nails, tits and tail.

970 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:40:25am

re: #957 DaddyG

In other words college students who failed econ 101 and high school dropouts working the fry machine at the local fast food joint have no freaking idea what the question meant. Moonbat protesters really like Che. And Adults who have to work for a living would like to keep more than 20% of their paycheck.

It shouldn't take 20 years in the work force to get a clue. The first time each of my kids had to file a tax return, they were furious at how much of their part-time, minimum wage paycheck went to the government.

971 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:40:34am

re: #963 Occasional Reader

That is truly terrifying.

The groundwork has been laid. Business bad. Free stuff good.

972 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:40:38am

re: #968 Occasional Reader

Gary Larson had a Far Side cartoon of a "Boneless Chicken Ranch", showing the birds draped over fences and such.

That's exactly what I was thinking of.....
:)

973 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:41:00am

re: #968 Occasional Reader

Gary Larson had a Far Side cartoon of a "Boneless Chicken Ranch", showing the birds draped over fences and such.

You sure that wasn't Salvador Dali?

974 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:41:03am

re: #967 nevergiveup

Well the offer I think they should make that the pirates can't refuse doesn't involve giving them money.

Here's an idea...Pay them in sacks of rolled pennies...:)

975 Truck Monkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:41:05am

re: #958 redstateredneck

That's potted meat.
;-)

In the Poultry trade it is called comminuted "meat" and is loaded into big plastic containers and shipped to hot dog houses throughout the country. Last hot dog I ate was over 20 years ago.

976 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:41:14am

re: #967 nevergiveup

Sinking the mother ship would be a start.
Then the pirates might trade the captain for food.
Then sink the speed boat.

977 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:41:29am

re: #961 LGoPs

Or boneless chicken. I have never figured out they raise boneless chickens. You'd think they'd just be lying around on the ground and have to be hand fed or something.....
/

Like this?

978 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:41:37am

re: #963 Occasional Reader

That is truly terrifying.

A testament to our progressive education system.
*Spit*

979 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:41:59am

re: #914 Sharmuta

Very. And highly relevant these days. I no longer see left and right, I only see the two visions. It's a much better political indicator then the outdated wings we use now.


I'll add that to my list. If I can find a used copy at Powell's i'll pick it up. I'm on a really tight budget but it looks interesting.

I have ongoing negotiations for a big sale going on. If it goes through I'll be out of immediate trouble.

There's a lot of talk on the blogs about LGF politically realigning. I really don't see it, LGF isn't going anywhere.

980 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:42:08am

re: #974 Dustyvet

Here's an idea...Pay them in sacks of rolled pennies...:)

Fired out of what?

981 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:42:24am

If I had my way, Economics would be a mandatory class - all four years in high school.

And the textbook already exists: Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics." As a follow-on - in junior/senior year, Thomas Sowell's "Applied Economics."

The other advantage to using these texts is that, for some reason, these are books people are willing to buy. Thus the cost is minimal compared to the crap professors write and jam down the throats of their students at $100 a pop - crap that wouldn't sell a copy on the open market.

982 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:42:29am

re: #975 Truck Monkey

In the Poultry trade it is called comminuted "meat" and is loaded into big plastic containers and shipped to hot dog houses throughout the country. Last hot dog I ate was over 20 years ago.

I only eat kosher hot dogs.

983 aussiemagpie  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:42:30am

re: #942 vapig

Actually, we are the ME in coal and oil shale resources. No telling what our offshore capacities are.

Unfortunately, our elected tormentors won't let us anywhere near it!

That is something I can't understand! Why no drilling?

You would think the priority would be independence from ME oil..

984 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:42:40am

re: #967 nevergiveup

Well the offer I think they should make that the pirates can't refuse doesn't involve giving them money.

If our Navy is being ordered to stand down, I would hope they play the "com-link down" game and just blow these jerks (mothership and all) out of the water. After rescuing the good captain of course.

985 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:42:40am

re: #976 Ojoe

Sinking the mother ship would be a start.
Then the pirates might trade the captain for food.
Then sink the speed boat.

Then blow up their homes

986 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:42:50am

re: #979 Killgore Trout

There's a lot of talk on the blogs about LGF politically realigning. I really don't see it, LGF isn't going anywhere.

I have always thought of LGF as centrist.

987 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:43:01am

re: #977 Kosh's Shadow

Like this?

LOL.....I love Far Side.....
It is responsible for the warped sense of humor I have. It and Monty Python........

988 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:43:03am

re: #966 ilzito guacamolito

Ah, baloney!
/
;-)

Vienna Sausage = potted meat with a hard on.

989 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:43:15am

re: #980 nevergiveup

Fired out of what?

Just drop them.

990 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:43:35am

re: #933 Russkilitlover

Piracy $$s are more than the entire GDP of Somalia. I sure as shit hope that Obama doesn't feel the need to show military friskiness by starting something up in that God-forsaken country.

If by "starting something" you mean, invading and trying to nation-build, I'm with you. But I'm fully in favor of "starting something" to make it clear to the pirates that the cost of attacking US vessels is not worth the risk.

991 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:43:52am

re: #984 vapig

If our Navy is being ordered to stand down, I would hope they play the "com-link down" game and just blow these jerks (mothership and all) out of the water. After rescuing the good captain of course.

Well the Navy isn't totally standing down. They put an Armed Escort on board the Alabama for the trip to Kenya.

992 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:43:54am

re: #988 redstateredneck

Vienna Sausage = potted meat with a hard on.

When I was in the Army they pronounced it Vyenni sausage......

993 EngnrMan  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:44:04am

re: #875 alegrias

Good news, There's a 20- plus nation Piracy Committee and the UN Security Council and other mechanisms on the problem, per State Dept. spokesman in response to an Indian reporter's questions right now on Fox News.

"There's nothing going on in the world that couldn't be made 10 times worse by having the US government involved, 50 times worse by having Europe involved, or 100 times worse by having the UN involved."

Wish I could remember where I saw that quote. Now if our government would just get out of the way and let the Navy and SOCOM handle it, we might have a happy ending.

994 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:44:20am

re: #986 Ojoe

I have always thought of LGF as centrist.

I have always thought of those who agree with me as centrist. :-D

995 Truck Monkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:44:36am

re: #968 Occasional Reader

Gary Larson had a Far Side cartoon of a "Boneless Chicken Ranch", showing the birds draped over fences and such.

Had the T-shirt.

Midvale School for the Gifted was also a very funny cartoon.

996 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:45:02am

re: #985 nevergiveup

Then blow up their homes

Announce that we've contracted with Kaiser Soze to handle the problem.

997 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:45:04am

re: #979 Killgore Trout

I'm thrilled you'll look into it, and if I may be so bold, I'll say a prayer for your finances.

As for "re-aligning", I don't see it either. It's those with an unconstrained vision on the right that are pissed those with a constrained vision on the right aren't taking their shit anymore. If you want a hint, here is what Syrah and I have discussed on the book so far.

998 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:45:05am

re: #981 subsailor68

When I was in college, I read Samuelson's book on economics.
It taught me enough to know about creating wealth, and productive vs unproductive investment. And that is enough to know why socialism and communism don't work, and how it isn't a zero-sum game.

999 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:45:10am

re: #970 doppelganglander

It shouldn't take 20 years in the work force to get a clue. The first time each of my kids had to file a tax return, they were furious at how much of their part-time, minimum wage paycheck went to the government.

I remember that! I was ranting (I was 17) that I was told I would make such-and-such and how come it's not on my paycheck! My parents laughed at my indignity!

1000 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:45:13am

re: #994 DaddyG

I have always thought of those who agree with me as centrist. :-D

Well center right of right. Right?

1001 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:45:16am

re: #923 vapig

I agree. They all need to be killed. No negotiations!

"In Somalia, killing IS negotiations"
*Blackhawk Down ref.

1002 aussiemagpie  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:45:39am

re: #945 LGoPs

Were it not for that geological/geographical accident, they would be nothing more than the inconsequential, medieval goatherders that they are.......
They are not good stewards of their resources.

They do look after their women really well though!//////////

1003 jaunte  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:45:45am

re: #914 Sharmuta

Very. And highly relevant these days. I no longer see left and right, I only see the two visions. It's a much better political indicator then the outdated wings we use now.

One issue that arises after reading the book: it's much more natural for people with the 'unconstrained' vision to participate in politics in order to force their view of how the world should be on others. Doing that goes against the nature of those with the constrained vision.

1004 nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:45:57am

re: #1001 VegasRick

"In Somalia, killing IS negotiations"
*Blackhawk Down ref.

Well when in Rome?

1005 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:46:16am

re: #979 Killgore Trout

I have ongoing negotiations for a big sale going on. If it goes through I'll be out of immediate trouble.

Best of luck to you.

1006 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:46:22am

re: #875 alegrias

Good news, There's a 20- plus nation Piracy Committee and the UN Security Council and other mechanisms on the problem, per State Dept. spokesman in response to an Indian reporter's questions right now on Fox News.

Oh, thank God! A committee! We're saved!

1007 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:46:44am

re: #992 LGoPs

When I was in the Army they pronounced it Vyenni sausage......

While I was in Vietnam our PX couldn't keep razor blades stocked...Having said that, we had Vyenni Sausages coming out our ears...

1008 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:47:15am

re: #1003 jaunte

You should really join the conversation with Syrah and I. I'll be posting another spinoff discussion thread tomorrow. And of all the folks out here to get me on this- I'm glad it's you, {jaunte}.

1009 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:47:27am

re: #999 vapig

I remember that! I was ranting (I was 17) that I was told I would make such-and-such and how come it's not on my paycheck! My parents laughed at my indignity!

I know! I was 15, making $2.85 an hour (which should give you an idea how old I am!). FICA, schmika, I want my money!

1010 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:47:32am

re: #995 Truck Monkey

Had the T-shirt.

Midvale School for the Gifted was also a very funny cartoon.

Since I'm a blues fan and musician, the one with the frong singing "I got the greens sooooo bad" has always been my favorite.

1011 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:47:40am

I'm worried about the pirates on the moon.

re: Fishsticks, I thought seeing Carlos Mencia beg for his life and admit to stealing jokes was the best part. Carlos Mencia and Dane Cook are complete douches.

1012 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:48:15am

re: #979 Killgore Trout

I have ongoing negotiations for a big sale going on.

How dare you attempt to exploit others by making an evil profit (spit, ptooie, yecch!).

1013 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:48:26am

re: #908 alegrias
"They can wisecrack like Al Franken for some reason."
So you're saying that not only are they blood thirsty, horrible pirates, they have a crappy sense of humor, too?
Well I guess that figures - I mean think about it - there you are in a bitty little boat, with no means of propulsion, this HUGE looking US Destroyer standing off, staring at you and an occasional Navy jet figher buzzing you while looking for your Mothership - so you crack "jokes"! Yup sounds just like Franken and his supporters to me!

1014 ladycatnip  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:48:46am

#957 DaddyG

In other words college students who failed econ 101 and high school dropouts working the fry machine at the local fast food joint have no freaking idea what the question meant. Moonbat protesters really like Che. And Adults who have to work for a living would like to keep more than 20% of their paycheck.

When my daughter was in grad school she noted an interesting phenomena - her friends in Econ started out flaming libs; by the time they got their graduate degrees, they become conservative.

1015 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:49:03am

re: #1006 Occasional Reader

Oh, thank God! A committee! We're saved!

Don't be so gleeful/. First the committee will have to decide on what size room they'll need and then of course deliberate on the furniture necessary.
Then they'll work on a meeting agenda...and then they'll..........
/////

1016 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:49:19am

re: #1011 Egregious Philbin

I'm worried about the pirates on the moon.

re: Fishsticks, I thought seeing Carlos Mencia beg for his life and admit to stealing jokes was the best part. Carlos Mencia and Dane Cook are complete douches.

They also reminded us (again) how lame Leno is. Which is a good thing to do.

1017 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:49:20am

re: #922 Macker

The Koran is in Arabic & Somalis don't speak Arabic. In fact, the vast majority of Muslims have never read the Koran in any language. Funny that.

1018 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:49:43am

re: #983 aussiemagpie

That is something I can't understand! Why no drilling?

You would think the priority would be independence from ME oil..

Not if it is your political philosophy that Americans are too rich. That it's not fair to the rest of the world. That to make the worldwide playing field even western society and standard of living must be crushed and brought down to the level of the indigent.

That is who runs our government now. The proof of this has been legislation that bans windfarms and solar panels from being placed in the desert. This isn't about energy or even "green" energy. This is about driving the American standard of living right into the ground.

1019 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:49:58am

re: #1012 Occasional Reader

How dare you attempt to exploit others by making an evil profit (spit, ptooie, yecch!).

He must be one of those 47% in the poll that still believe in capitalism.....
/

1020 windhorse  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:50:35am

...and Obama refuses to comment on Captain held hostage.... instead needs to address housing....

1021 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:51:07am

re: #990 Occasional Reader

If by "starting something" you mean, invading and trying to nation-build, I'm with you. But I'm fully in favor of "starting something" to make it clear to the pirates that the cost of attacking US vessels is not worth the risk.

That's exactly what I meant.

1022 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:51:12am

re: #1020 windhorse

...and Obama refuses to comment on Captain held hostage.... instead needs to address housing....

There is a lag time to get updated news into the teleprompter.

1023 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:51:40am

re: #931 aussiemagpie

I just hate it that these rotten countries in the ME have most of the oil

That is so cruel....

Actually, last time I checked the US was the world's largest oil producing nation. We still produce roughly half of our own supply, and could easily boost that percentage.

1024 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:51:48am

re: #1020 windhorse

...and Obama refuses to comment on Captain held hostage.... instead needs to address housing....

The only housing I want to hear Obama address is where he's going to live when he leaves 1600 Pennsylvania Ave......

1025 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:52:19am

re: #941 redstateredneck
Hey {red} gee, thanks for the good news.
/

1026 windhorse  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:52:33am

no comment.

1027 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:52:33am

re: #986 Ojoe

I have always thought of LGF as centrist.

Most of us here have also criticized our president while still supporting him depending on the situation and circumstance. I don't see why that should change under Obama. I respect the presidency and hope he does the right thing.
Support for Buchanan, Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, conspiracy theories, extremism and anti-Americanism never really went over well here. I don't expect that to change.

1028 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:52:48am

re: #1020 windhorse

...and Obama refuses to comment on Captain held hostage.... instead needs to address housing....


Plus Rahm has his hands full making good use of other crises. The return on investment on this one isn't as big as holding American banks and heavy industry hostage.

1029 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:52:58am

re: #1012 Occasional Reader

Capitalism ackbar!

1030 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:53:17am

re: #1026 windhorse

no comment.

Fail.

1031 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:53:42am

re: #1020 windhorse

...and Obama refuses to comment on Captain held hostage.... instead needs to address housing....

Come on, there are only so many teleprompters!

The Teleprompter data entry union is on its Easter Holiday.

1032 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:54:00am

re: #998 Kosh's Shadow

When I was in college, I read Samuelson's book on economics.
It taught me enough to know about creating wealth, and productive vs unproductive investment. And that is enough to know why socialism and communism don't work, and how it isn't a zero-sum game.

As Maggie Thatcher said, socialism is great, until you run out of money.

Our government is blowing through cash at an unprecedented level. We'll run out of money for socialism sooner, rather than later. What then?

1033 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:54:19am

re: #1023 SixDegrees

Actually, last time I checked the US was the world's largest oil producing nation. We still produce roughly half of our own supply, and could easily boost that percentage.

According to this (2007 figures, though), Russia and Saudi Arabia are ahead of us.

1034 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:54:27am

re: #1023 SixDegrees

Actually, last time I checked the US was the world's largest oil producing nation. We still produce roughly half of our own supply, and could easily boost that percentage.

In addition, most of the oil we import comes from Canada, and Central and South America, not the Middle East.

1035 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:54:29am

re: #1032 Russkilitlover

As Maggie Thatcher said, socialism is great, until you run out of money.

Our government is blowing through cash at an unprecedented level. We'll run out of money for socialism sooner, rather than later. What then?

That's when the fun begins.

1036 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:55:00am

re: #1032 Russkilitlover

As Maggie Thatcher said, socialism is great, until you run out of money.

Our government is blowing through cash at an unprecedented level. We'll run out of money for socialism sooner, rather than later. What then?

The bureau of printing and engraving is hiring.

1037 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:55:06am

re: #1009 doppelganglander

I know! I was 15, making $2.85 an hour (which should give you an idea how old I am!). FICA, schmika, I want my money!

Yeeeeesssss! Minimum wage. I remember it well! There's no way I could have worked at 15 (except babysitting). Was illegal in California!

1038 KenJen  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:55:09am

re: #1020 windhorse

...and Obama refuses to comment on Captain held hostage.... instead needs to address housing....

He's scarified that if he comments on it he will awaken the curse. The Curse of the One-term President.

1039 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:55:25am

re: #997 Sharmuta

Cool. I bookmarked so I can watch the video when I get enough caffeine in my system for my brain to start functioning.

1040 windhorse  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:55:31am

how about.... "We are watching this situation closely and will implement one of several plans we have in place as warranted by what transpires over the next several hours..."

1041 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:56:00am

re: #1033 Occasional Reader

According to this (2007 figures, though), Russia and Saudi Arabia are ahead of us.

You link appears to be broken. But I'd be interested in seeing it.

1042 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:56:14am

Maersk Alabama Update

Captain Richard Phillips is still being held. The destroyer USS Bainbridge is on the scene and the FBI aiding in negotiations and rescue efforts. The Captain Phillips is aboard the lifeboat which is dead in the water.


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

1043 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:56:29am

re: #1032 Russkilitlover

As Maggie Thatcher said, socialism is great, until you run out of money.

Our government is blowing through cash at an unprecedented level. We'll run out of money for socialism sooner, rather than later. What then?

Then comes full blown communism. Don't expect the leftists to admit they were wrong and say never mind.........
They'll just double down on their failure.

1044 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:56:35am

re: #1040 windhorse

how about.... "We are watching this situation closely and will implement one of several plans we have in place as warranted by what transpires over the next several hours..."

You talking about the Yankees opening at 0-2?

1045 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:56:37am

re: #1032 Russkilitlover

As Maggie Thatcher said, socialism is great, until you run out of money.

Our government is blowing through cash at an unprecedented level. We'll run out of money for socialism sooner, rather than later. What then?

Yep. But I believe the quote also included the words "other people's money".

;-)

1046 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:56:52am

re: #990 Occasional Reader

If by "starting something" you mean, invading and trying to nation-build, I'm with you. But I'm fully in favor of "starting something" to make it clear to the pirates that the cost of attacking US vessels is not worth the risk.

Getting in touch with my inner Dan Quayle there*.

I meant, the benefit is not worth the risk.

_______________________________________
*Yes, yes, I know that Quayle was not
treated fairly by the press

1047 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:57:00am

re: #1043 LGoPs

Then comes full blown communism. Don't expect the leftists to admit they were wrong and say never mind.........
They'll just double down on their failure.

That's always the pattern of a poor gambler on a losing streak.

1048 windhorse  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:57:01am

instead, it will be something like.... a lotta folks live in big houses.... a lotta folks can't afford a house.... I have instructed Mr Frank to blah-blah-blah.....

1049 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:57:19am

I wonder what Reagan would have done about the Somalia pirates? Safe to say he wouldn't treat them as nicely as he did PATCO

1050 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:57:22am

re: #1042 Dustyvet

Maersk Alabama Update

Captain Richard Phillips is still being held. The destroyer USS Bainbridge is on the scene and the FBI aiding in negotiations and rescue efforts. The Captain Phillips is aboard the lifeboat which is dead in the water.


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

It's the pirates that need to be 'dead in the water'......

1051 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:57:39am

Well it's been grand y'all but I gotta leave for awhile. Hope to see you all again soon!

1052 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:58:06am

re: #1034 SixDegrees

Love your avatar! Signor Ferrari was a great character from a great movie. (Sydney Greenstreet was a great character actor.)

1053 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:58:12am

re: #1041 SixDegrees

You link appears to be broken. But I'd be interested in seeing it.

Hm. Not sure why that happened. It's from the CIA World Factbook (a fascinating resource all around).

1054 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:58:25am

re: #1039 Killgore Trout

Cool. I bookmarked so I can watch the video when I get enough caffeine in my system for my brain to start functioning.

The video is great- Syrah linked it for me about a month ago or so, and it moved me to get the book. We're now reading it together and thought a spinoof it talk back and for about it a bit would be fun.

But definitely make sure you're awake and have your thinking cap on before watching that vid.

1055 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:58:31am

re: #1023 SixDegrees

Actually, last time I checked the US was the world's largest oil producing nation. We still produce roughly half of our own supply, and could easily boost that percentage.

Not only producing - refining. Of course they (our tormentors) are blocking our efforts in this area also.

I just finished Mark Levins' "Liberty and Tyranny," and have to agree that our enviro-statists are waging "lawfare" on us. We need to be able to strip them of their ability to halt construction of refineries and nuclear facilities with these damned lawsuits!

1056 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:59:00am

I really hope Obama isn't taking advice on hostage rescue from former Democratic administrations (Carter/Iran, Clinton/Somalia).

And no that isn't sarcasm.

The potential for this incident to make the US look impotent and convince others they can run roughshod over us is much higher IMO than anything that we can do in Afghanistan or Iraq at this point.

1057 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:59:03am

re: #1023 SixDegrees

Actually, last time I checked the US was the world's largest oil producing nation. We still produce roughly half of our own supply, and could easily boost that percentage.

On that subject:

No, We Can't

*snips

Whether you’re pro or con, if you want to comment on offshore drilling, the “Yes, We Can!” Obama Administration has a simple, three-word answer for you:

No, you can’t.

Last July, you may remember, President Bush rescinded the 18-year-old executive ban on offshore drilling in order to access the estimated 115 billion barrels of oil on the outer continental shelf.

But just as soon as we were about to open this window, the Obama Administration slammed it shut.

The government that has pledged itself to “unprecedented openness” and “collaboration” with the American people has refused to provide a government email address to forward public comments to.

1058 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:59:08am

re: #1049 Leonidas Hoplite

I wonder what Reagan would have done about the Somalia pirates? Safe to say he wouldn't treat them as nicely as he did PATCO

Airstrikes on port and dock facilities used by the pirates would certainly be on the menu; I think the real trick is to go after their sources of supply. If it is made clear that any port or harbor "hosting' one of these ships, or providing supplies to it or its crew is likely to be full of exploding ordnance in very short order, the word would get out that maybe these people should consider another line of work.

1059 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:59:54am

BBIAW.

1060 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:59:57am

re: #1032 Russkilitlover

As Maggie Thatcher said, socialism is great, until you run out of money.

Our government is blowing through cash at an unprecedented level. We'll run out of money for socialism sooner, rather than later. What then?

Silly, silly! Why, they'll just print more!

1061 JustABill  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:59:57am

Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal...

Has an exception been made for pirates?

1062 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:00:03am

re: #1055 vapig

Not only producing - refining. Of course they (our tormentors) are blocking our efforts in this area also.

I just finished Mark Levins' "Liberty and Tyranny," and have to agree that our enviro-statists are waging "lawfare" on us. We need to be able to strip them of their ability to halt construction of refineries and nuclear facilities with these damned lawsuits!

The first thing we should do is go after any public funding they get. I have no doubt that we are paying for a large part of this lawfare.....

1063 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:00:44am

re: #1020 windhorse

...and Obama refuses to comment on Captain held hostage.... instead needs to address housing....

It's above his paygrade. Besides, he's tired, the damn phone was ringing off the hook at 3 am until he finally unplugged it.

1064 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:00:47am

re: #1061 JustABill

Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal...

Has an exception been made for pirates?

Only for the Pittsburgh Pirates.......

1065 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:00:52am

re: #992 LGoPs

When I was in the Army they pronounced it Vyenni sausage......

In the south, too.

1066 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:01:04am

re: #1061 JustABill

Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal...

Has an exception been made for pirates?

Recommending a firm line be taken with outlaws does not constitute advocacy for violent action.

1067 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:01:37am

re: #1042 Dustyvet

Maersk Alabama Update

Captain Richard Phillips is still being held. The destroyer USS Bainbridge is on the scene and the FBI aiding in negotiations and rescue efforts. The Captain Phillips is aboard the lifeboat which is dead in the water.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Apparently, they want money and free passage in return for the Captain.

They're a long, long way out to sea. I say give them what they want. Then show them how big a hole the US Navy can blow in the water when provoked.

I was disturbed to hear that they're flying in an FBI hostage negotiator. The psychological tools they use are certainly useful - but they're distinctly tied to a particular culture. I can see them backfiring badly when dealing with Somalis. I'm really hoping this is a front for something else.

1068 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:02:34am

re: #1025 realwest

Hey {red} gee, thanks for the good news.
/

Sorry, {real}!

1069 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:02:54am

re: #1064 LGoPs

Only for the Pittsburgh Pirates.......

No need. They'll shoot themselves.

1070 aussiemagpie  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:03:25am

re: #1018 vapig

Not if it is your political philosophy that Americans are too rich. That it's not fair to the rest of the world. That to make the worldwide playing field even western society and standard of living must be crushed and brought down to the level of the indigent.

That is who runs our government now. The proof of this has been legislation that bans windfarms and solar panels from being placed in the desert. This isn't about energy or even "green" energy. This is about driving the American standard of living right into the ground.

Exception - the politicians and their best friends will remain wealthy

You know, those people employed by you and me!

1071 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:04:13am

Gotta run.
BBL

1072 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:04:18am

re: #1058 Guanxi88Great!
The Somali pirates have sanctuary because of the Somali Govt!
Mass corruption!
Bomb a Somali city or port?
The U. N.'s heads would explode!
............Ah on second thought.....commence firing!

1073 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:04:23am

re: #1058 Guanxi88

Airstrikes on port and dock facilities used by the pirates would certainly be on the menu; I think the real trick is to go after their sources of supply. If it is made clear that any port or harbor "hosting' one of these ships, or providing supplies to it or its crew is likely to be full of exploding ordnance in very short order, the word would get out that maybe these people should consider another line of work.

Too bad we don't have someone in the White House that is interested in promoting America's interests.

/When do you think we'll hear Obama apologize to the pirates for interupting their commerce?

1074 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:04:28am

re: #1045 subsailor68

Yep. But I believe the quote also included the words "other people's money".

;-)

Thanks! I was too lazy to look up the quote properly. (Sorry, Maggie).

1075 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:04:31am

re: #1052 ilzito guacamolito

Love your avatar! Signor Ferrari was a great character from a great movie. (Sydney Greenstreet was a great character actor.)

Thank you. Casablanca is consistently voted one of the best movies of all time, a consensus I heartily agree with. Great cast, great acting, great plot, great screenplay, great direction and a timeless story.

1076 aussiemagpie  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:04:51am

re: #1023 SixDegrees

Actually, last time I checked the US was the world's largest oil producing nation. We still produce roughly half of our own supply, and could easily boost that percentage.

Thanks, I didn't know that!

1077 capitalist piglet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:05:18am

re: #1063 Russkilitlover

It's above his paygrade. Besides, he's tired, the damn phone was ringing off the hook at 3 am until he finally unplugged it.

I guess this is the presidential equivalent of voting "present".

1078 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:06:15am

re: #1062 LGoPs

The first thing we should do is go after any public funding they get. I have no doubt that we are paying for a large part of this lawfare.....

Agreed! It certainly is no secret that the government has used us to fund ACORN.

The next step would be to go after corporate sponsors!. We need to dry up their resources!

1079 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:06:43am

re: #1055 vapig

Not only producing - refining. Of course they (our tormentors) are blocking our efforts in this area also.

I just finished Mark Levins' "Liberty and Tyranny," and have to agree that our enviro-statists are waging "lawfare" on us. We need to be able to strip them of their ability to halt construction of refineries and nuclear facilities with these damned lawsuits!

I'd like to see us building nuke plants from coast to coast. Clean, reliable and cheap, once you strip away the exorbitant costs of doing battle for years with these nitwits.

1080 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:07:10am

So?
When is talk like a Pirate again?
......Just askin.........!

1081 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:07:40am

re: #1080 reloadingisnotahobby

So?
When is talk like a Pirate Day again?
......Just askin.........!

1082 abolitionist  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:08am

re: #1033 Occasional Reader

According to this (2007 figures, though), Russia and Saudi Arabia are ahead of us.

re: #1041 SixDegrees

You link appears to be broken. But I'd be interested in seeing it.

[Link: www.cia.gov...]

h t t p s :
is needed now, but may not be handled (yet) by LGF's link automation. I had to capitalize the s, or it would be discarded.

1083 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:48am

re: #1072 reloadingisnotahobby

Great!
The Somali pirates have sanctuary because of the Somali Govt!
Mass corruption!
Bomb a Somali city or port?
The U. N.'s heads would explode!
............Ah on second thought.....commence firing!

There isn't anything to get upset about at the moment. Somalia isn't a nation anymore; the government has completely collapsed and the place is being run as in complete anarchy. There's no government to grant sanctuary or to negotiate with.

To me, given the behavior of it's inhabitants, that makes it a bombing range.

1084 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:51am

re: #1017 Kenneth

The Koran is in Arabic & Somalis don't speak Arabic. In fact, the vast majority of Muslims have never read the Koran in any language. Funny that.

* * * *
How many ACORN unionistas thugs have read Karl Marx in German! Or English for that matter?

The mullahs & nomenklatura and party professionals know the theory--that's enough to "lead" or control the masses, illiterates, functional illiterates & useful idiots who should know better.

Si Se Puede!
Yes We Did!

1085 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:57am

re: #1081 reloadingisnotahobby


I think its in Maaaarrrch!

1086 aussiemagpie  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:09:43am

re: #1080 reloadingisnotahobby

So?
When is talk like a Pirate again?
......Just askin.........!

Sometime in September, start practising :-)

1087 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:10:12am

re: #1075 SixDegrees

Thank you. Casablanca is consistently voted one of the best movies of all time, a consensus I heartily agree with. Great cast, great acting, great plot, great screenplay, great direction and a timeless story.

I fully agree, although it's funny that the "MacGuffin" driving the story is fairly ridiculous. (So, let me get this straight; if Victor and Ilsa show up at the airport waving around the letters of transit - which everyone knows are stolen - the Nazis are just going to salute smartly and say, "enjoy your flight"?)

1088 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:10:20am

re: #1075 SixDegrees

Thank you. Casablanca is consistently voted one of the best movies of all time, a consensus I heartily agree with. Great cast, great acting, great plot, great screenplay, great direction and a timeless story.


I usually see 'Citizen Kane' ranked higher, but I suspect that it is more, bcz of it being an 'epic'. 'Casablanca' has got it all ~ romance, intrigue and nazis getting their comeuppance.

1089 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:11:59am

re: #1082 abolitionist

[Link: www.cia.gov...]

h t t p s :
is needed now, but may not be handled (yet) by LGF's link automation. I had to capitalize the s, or it would be discarded.

Thanks. Looks like my information is somewhat outdated. Not surprising; our own production has been declining for the last 20 years or so as we've grown more reliant on imports. I guess our decline and other's increases have finally crossed.

We're still churning out a vast amount of oil, though, and could churn a great deal more if required.

1090 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:12:49am

re: #1031 Egregious Philbin

Come on, there are only so many teleprompters!

The Teleprompter data entry union is on its Easter Holiday.

* * * * * *
That's Spring Equinox & Iranian New Year & Nuclear day & International Worker's Solidarity May 1 to you.

1091 capitalist piglet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:13:42am

Is anyone else listening to Rush? Good heavens. Obama won't comment on the pirates, insists on talking about housing instead, and Hillary Clinton laughing when being questioned about it all.

I'm in hell.

1092 vapig  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:14:22am

re: #1070 aussiemagpie

Exception - the politicians and their best friends will remain wealthy

You know, those people employed by you and me!

Well I do try to tell these young ones that this idea of liberalism (progressives or whatever they are calling themselves today) is not a new idea - it's a very old idea. The idea of freedom, liberty and justice for all is the new radical idea.

Liberalism/ socialism (I explain) used to be called fuedalism and the elites (our politicians and acedemians) used to be called lords, princes and kings.

The rest of the populace (we the people) were called serfs, peons, and peasants, with no recourse against the "elites."

Then I tell them to look up how much recourse the people of the USSR and Red China had when it came to petitioning their government and to check the exact bodycount eventually occured in both countries.

Then I tell them - "And THAT was just in two countries that tried socialism. Try checking on that body count for the entire 20th century. Then if you have a really strong stomach, check that body count for the last two hundred years starting in France!"

1093 alegrias  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:15:25am

re: #1049 Leonidas Hoplite

I wonder what Reagan would have done about the Somalia pirates? Safe to say he wouldn't treat them as nicely as he did PATCO

* * * *
Reagan invaded "tiny" Granada which was held by marxist pirates.

1094 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:15:42am

re: #1087 Occasional Reader

I fully agree, although it's funny that the "MacGuffin" driving the story is fairly ridiculous. (So, let me get this straight; if Victor and Ilsa show up at the airport waving around the letters of transit - which everyone knows are stolen - the Nazis are just going to salute smartly and say, "enjoy your flight"?)

Yeah - but the movie itself rises above such trivial complaints. It's a movie about the characters and their relationships, and viewers happily suspend disbelief because it is so engaging and so well done.

A lot of more recent films, little more than special effects extravaganzas, would do well to take note of this. I care deeply about what happens to Rick and Ilsa; I really don't give a rats ass what happens to JarJar, and would be perfectly happy to see him turned into giant fried frog legs.

1095 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:15:43am

re: #1033 Occasional Reader Hey O.R. - when I went to your link I got this message "CIA Site Redirect" so where do I go to find those oil producing states?

1096 Buck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:16:33am

re: #40 rawmuse

OK so I had my main computer go wonky after I upgraded to Leopard OSX.

This is a classic lack of faith issue with a Mac OS. You must have doubted the MAC OS recently. I am sure if you repent all will be well.

Everyone knows that MAC OS never has any problems, and is perfect.

Blessed is the Mac...

1097 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:17:23am

re: #1095 realwest

Hey O.R. - when I went to your link I got this message "CIA Site Redirect" so where do I go to find those oil producing states?

See abolitionist #1082... I apparently left the "s" off in https.

It's the CIA World Factbook.

1098 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:18:48am

re: #1088 ilzito guacamolito

I usually see 'Citizen Kane' ranked higher, but I suspect that it is more, bcz of it being an 'epic'. 'Casablanca' has got it all ~ romance, intrigue and nazis getting their comeuppance.

Citizen Kane is also excellent, and for exactly the same reason - it's all about the characters. Kane is also noteworthy because it is perhaps the only example of a film that has been made by one of the large studios where the director was given complete artistic control, something which hasn't been granted a director since.

1099 Buck  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:19:11am

re: #983 aussiemagpie

That is something I can't understand! Why no drilling?

You would think the priority would be independence from ME oil..

It is a ecology thing.... Or at least that is the mask they use... it really is a anti - capitalism thing using the Green movement as cover.

1100 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:19:51am

re: #1094 SixDegrees

Yeah - but the movie itself rises above such trivial complaints. It's a movie about the characters and their relationships, and viewers happily suspend disbelief because it is so engaging and so well done.

Also, the hero wields an M1911... always a good thing!

I think that Casablanca also very much expressed the zeitgeist of America at the time; it captured our self-image. I hate to think of what movie might do that now.

1101 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:20:03am

re: #1095 realwest
Ah, O.R., please disregard that comment!

1102 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:20:22am

re: #1096 Buck

This is a classic lack of faith issue with a Mac OS. You must have doubted the MAC OS recently. I am sure if you repent all will be well.

Everyone knows that MAC OS never has any problems, and is perfect.

Blessed is the Mac...

Try washing it with Unicorn tears. That usually perks it right up.

1103 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:21:56am

re: #1098 SixDegrees

Citizen Kane is also excellent, and for exactly the same reason

And I was pleased to see homage paid to it on a recent Simpsons episode. (Homer becomes an opera singer; in one scene, the "camera pans" slowly to to Lenny and Carl standing up in the catwalks above the stage... but instead of giving the "it stinks" sign, they approve.)

1104 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:22:04am

re: #1084 alegrias

I hope you didn't read my post as an apology or defense. Just stating a fact, that illiteracy is one of the many factors contributing to the problem.

1105 Jackba  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:24:46am

Here's the team I hope we are sending, the pirates may understand what they have to say.

Virgina Class

1106 realwest  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:29:40am

re: #1079 SixDegrees
Spot on post! Of all the alternatives to fossil fuels were to be considered, only ONE of them has proved to be actually useful RIGHT NOW and that is nuclear.
Solar and Wind may someday be of some benefit to a nation of over 300 million people, but that day appears to be a way off. Nuke energy is here, it's clean, it's safe and even FRANCE gets 75% of it's national electrical power from nuclear reactors.
Maybe the next time the environmental extremists start in on blocking the building of a nuclear reactor, we should offer them some Brie and wine (whine?!).

1107 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:35:05am

re: #1091 capitalist piglet

Is anyone else listening to Rush? Good heavens. Obama won't comment on the pirates, insists on talking about housing instead, and Hillary Clinton laughing when being questioned about it all.

I'm in hell.

To be honest, I can't get worked up about this. The idea of the President of the United States wasting his time micromanaging how a handful of small-time thugs get dealt with troubles me more. At this point, Obama's public involvement ought to be just what it has been: send in the Navy, do whatever is possible to secure the safe return of the Captain...and then blow a giant hole in the water underneath where the pirate's boat is sitting. Comments welcome afterward.

1108 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:35:08am

re: #1098 SixDegrees

Citizen Kane is also excellent, and for exactly the same reason - it's all about the characters. Kane is also noteworthy because it is perhaps the only example of a film that has been made by one of the large studios where the director was given complete artistic control, something which hasn't been granted a director since.


I find 'Kane' a bit ponderous myself. I much prefer 'Touch of Evil'. I think Welles was better in that as well.

1109 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:36:13am

re: #1087 Occasional Reader

I fully agree, although it's funny that the "MacGuffin" driving the story is fairly ridiculous. (So, let me get this straight; if Victor and Ilsa show up at the airport waving around the letters of transit - which everyone knows are stolen - the Nazis are just going to salute smartly and say, "enjoy your flight"?)

No, it was the French who controlled the airport; Capt. Renault's men.
And by their rules, the letters "cannot be rescinded".

1110 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:36:17am

re: #1106 realwest

Spot on post! Of all the alternatives to fossil fuels were to be considered, only ONE of them has proved to be actually useful RIGHT NOW and that is nuclear.
Solar and Wind may someday be of some benefit to a nation of over 300 million people, but that day appears to be a way off. Nuke energy is here, it's clean, it's safe and even FRANCE gets 75% of it's national electrical power from nuclear reactors.
Maybe the next time the environmental extremists start in on blocking the building of a nuclear reactor, we should offer them some Brie and wine (whine?!).

Exactly right.

1111 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:37:47am

re: #1094 SixDegrees

Yeah - but the movie itself rises above such trivial complaints. It's a movie about the characters and their relationships, and viewers happily suspend disbelief because it is so engaging and so well done.

A lot of more recent films, little more than special effects extravaganzas, would do well to take note of this. I care deeply about what happens to Rick and Ilsa; I really don't give a rats ass what happens to JarJar, and would be perfectly happy to see him turned into giant fried frog legs.

Feed the Jar Jar legs to Jabba; I don't think anyone else would eat them.

1112 capitalist piglet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:44:29am

re: #1107 SixDegrees

To be honest, I can't get worked up about this. The idea of the President of the United States wasting his time micromanaging how a handful of small-time thugs get dealt with troubles me more. At this point, Obama's public involvement ought to be just what it has been: send in the Navy, do whatever is possible to secure the safe return of the Captain...and then blow a giant hole in the water underneath where the pirate's boat is sitting. Comments welcome afterward.

We must be talking about two different things. I'm not calling for "micromanagement". His refusal to offer a single word about it reinforces, to me, his inability to think or comment off-script.

And Hillary Clinton's wild laughter while talking about it was just bizarre.

1113 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:02:38am

re: #1108 ilzito guacamolito

I find 'Kane' a bit ponderous myself. I much prefer 'Touch of Evil'. I think Welles was better in that as well.

They're both great, but I prefer The Third Man to both. Especially after going on the Third Man walking tour in Vienna.

1114 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #923 vapig

I agree. They all need to be killed. No negotiations!

As we speak, there are 3 ships under control of pirates, some from February and still negotiating. In years past, some were held for months while the insurance companies bargained.

1115 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:17:02am

re: #1086 aussiemagpie

Sometime in September, start practicing :-)

Arrrrrrrrr Matey, my mizzen mast is mizzen...arrrrrrrrrr, how's that...:)

1116 avanti  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:19:43am

re: #1020 windhorse

...and Obama refuses to comment on Captain held hostage.... instead needs to address housing....

Good for him, IMHO one of the first rules of hostage negotiation is to let the negotiator do all the talking.


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