Lockerbie Bomber Released for Oil?

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Scottish officials said they were releasing Lockerbie terrorist Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi for “compassionate reasons.”

Well, that … and those Libyan oil contracts.

LONDON — In the wake of the sole convicted Lockerbie bomber’s return to a hero’s welcome in Tripoli, questions intensified in Britain on Friday as to whether lucrative Libyan oil contracts were as much a factor in his release as compassion for a dying man.

The bomber, Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi, suffering from terminal prostate cancer, was freed from a Scottish prison on Thursday and flown home in a V.I.P. jetliner to scenes of jubilation in Libya that were broadcast around the world, angering many in Britain and America, including President Obama.

On Friday, Lord Trefgarne, chairman of the Libyan British Business Council, said Mr. Megrahi’s release had opened the way for Britain’s leading oil companies to pursue multibillion-dollar oil contracts with Libya, which had demanded Mr. Megrahi’s return in talks with British officials and business executives.

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1 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:45:08am
2 Pupdawg  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:45:46am

Maybe Obama will give them a couple of billion for domestic drilling!

3 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:46:24am

No blood for oil!

4 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:46:59am

My God, it's full of czars!

5 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:48:05am

Until we break the need for oil- we will continue to be hostages to thugs.

Disgusting, but reality.

6 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:48:12am

re: #1 MikeySDCA

Is anyone surprised?

not at all

7 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:48:42am

I posted this on the DT, so some might find this interesting.

A lot of people think he didn't do it

Our government know that this man is innocent; the US government knows that this man is innocent; and the Libyan government knows it too. It is pretty certain that the Iranian government—which, entirely coincidentally, had a passenger airliner shot down by an American warship shortly before the Lockerbie bombing—also knows this.
[ ]
It was a consistent pattern during the whole trial that — as an apparent result of political interests and considerations — efforts were undertaken to withhold substantial information from the Court.
...

By not having pursued thoroughly and carefully an alternative theory, the Court seems to have accepted that the whole legal process was seriously flawed in regard to the requirements of objectivity and due process.

As a result of this situation, the undersigned has reached the conclusion that foreign governments or (secret) governmental agencies may have been allowed, albeit indirectly, to determine, to a considerable extent, which evidence was made available to the Court.

...

A general pattern of the trial consisted in the fact that virtually all people presented by the prosecution as key witnesses were proven to lack credibility to a very high extent, in certain cases even having openly lied to the Court.

...

Furthermore, the Opinion of the Court seems to be inconsistent in a basic respect: while the first accused was found “guilty”, the second accused was found “not guilty”. It is to be noted that the judgement, in the latter’s case, was not “not proven”, but “not guilty”. This is totally incomprehensible for any rational observer when one considers that the indictment in its very essence was based on the joint action of the two accused in Malta.

The Opinion of the Court is exclusively based on circumstantial evidence and on a series of highly problematic inferences. As to the undersigned’s knowledge, there is not one single piece of material evidence linking the two accused to the crime.
...

This leads the undersigned to the suspicion that political considerations may have been overriding a strictly judicial evaluation of the case and thus may have adversely affected the outcome of the trial. This may have a profound impact on the evaluation of the professional reputation and integrity of the panel of three Scottish judges.
...


In the above context, the undersigned has reached the general conclusion that the outcome of the trial may well have been determined by political considerations

8 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:49:03am

How long until Libya restarts its nuke program now that we have a weak kneed President?

9 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:49:33am

Slick move. Also, a sick move on the part of both countries.

10 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:49:41am

re: #8 Cannadian Club Akbar

How long until Libya restarts its nuke program now that we have a weak kneed President?

What time is it now?

11 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:49:55am

re: #8 Cannadian Club Akbar

How long until Libya restarts its nuke program now that we have a weak kneed President?

... weeak kneed President?

FIFY

12 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:50:04am

If this is the real reason for this POS's release, it's even more of a disgrace.
Shameful.

13 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:50:05am

re: #10 VegasRick

What time is it now?

Two late.

14 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:50:58am

Why so surprised?

See this denial by the UK 'business' secretary:

Lord Mandelson steps in over Lockerbie

From that link:
'Saif al-Islam, has claimed that negotiations over al-Megrahi’s release had always been tied up with the oil and gas business. However Mandelson, who has met with Saif al-Islam twice this year, said: “It’s not only completely wrong to make such a suggestion it’s also quite offensive.'

Heh.
Mandelson, the dark soul of NuLab, met gadaffi's son this summer, during holidays, on a yacht belonging to Lord Rothschild - who also was present.

Yeah - and I believe in the tooth fairie!

15 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:51:33am

typo alert: ONDON
/no L

16 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:51:44am
Lord Trefgarne, chairman of the Libyan British Business Council, said Mr. Megrahi’s release had opened the way for Britain’s leading oil companies to pursue multibillion-dollar oil contracts with Libya

Wow. Freeing a mass murderer so oil companies can purse multibillion-dollar oil contracts. What else is for sale?

17 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:52:27am

re: #16 Mich-again

Wow. Freeing a mass murderer so oil companies can purse multibillion-dollar oil contracts. What else is for sale?

Liberty.

18 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:53:03am

re: #17 jcm

Liberty.

Justice.

19 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:53:22am

re: #14 yma o hyd

Why so surprised?

See this denial by the UK 'business' secretary:

Lord Mandelson steps in over Lockerbie

From that link:
'Saif al-Islam, has claimed that negotiations over al-Megrahi’s release had always been tied up with the oil and gas business. However Mandelson, who has met with Saif al-Islam twice this year, said: “It’s not only completely wrong to make such a suggestion it’s also quite offensive.'

Heh.
Mandelson, the dark soul of NuLab, met gadaffi's son this summer, during holidays, on a yacht belonging to Lord Rothschild - who also was present.

Yeah - and I believe in the tooth fairie!

WTF?

20 Pupdawg  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:54:25am

re: #5 Sharmuta

Until we break the need for oil- we will continue to be hostages to thugs.

Disgusting, but reality.

With regret, I doubt we will ever fully break the need for oil, but it sure would be nice if we, America, were presented the real opportunity to harvest and use our own in the interim.

21 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:54:59am

re: #14 yma o hyd

Why so surprised?

See this denial by the UK 'business' secretary:

Lord Mandelson steps in over Lockerbie

From that link:
'Saif al-Islam, has claimed that negotiations over al-Megrahi’s release had always been tied up with the oil and gas business. However Mandelson, who has met with Saif al-Islam twice this year, said: “It’s not only completely wrong to make such a suggestion it’s also quite offensive.'

Heh.
Mandelson, the dark soul of NuLab, met gadaffi's son this summer, during holidays, on a yacht belonging to Lord Rothschild - who also was present.

Yeah - and I believe in the tooth fairie!

Rothschild!

The Juice did it!

22 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:55:03am

re: #20 Pupdawg

With regret, I doubt we will ever fully break the need for oil, but it sure would be nice if we, America, were presented the real opportunity to harvest and use our own in the interim.

a million updings!

23 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:55:36am

re: #19 MandyManners

WTF?

Good question, Mandy!

Thats what we've been asking ourselves these last few days as well!

24 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:55:45am

re: #14 yma o hyd

al-Megrahi’s release had always been tied up with the oil and gas business.

Libya has gas?

off to check...

25 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:57:18am

re: #20 Pupdawg
Excellent comment. We'll never break our need for oil, as petroleum is used is a wide variety of products.
But we SHOULD be using nuclear power to create our electricity and - to the extent truly feasable - using electricity for transportation.

26 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:57:27am
27 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:58:08am

Yes, Libya has gas

Natural resources: petroleum, natural gas, gypsum

28 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:58:10am

re: #20 Pupdawg

With regret, I doubt we will ever fully break the need for oil, but it sure would be nice if we, America, were presented the real opportunity to harvest and use our own in the interim.

I heard we have some gas reserves off of Florida. And since China will be drilling off Cuba...

29 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:59:01am

re: #25 realwest

Excellent comment. We'll never break our need for oil, as petroleum is used is a wide variety of products.
But we SHOULD be using nuclear power to create our electricity and - to the extent truly feasable - using electricity for transportation.

not gonna happen...that would be healthy for the economy

30 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:59:27am

Here's some interesting info about some more stuff which went on behind closed doors - worth reading in toto:

Lockerbie release casts dark shadow over Britain's ties with US

From that link:
'Downing Street insisted that the decision — condemned by the White House yesterday as “outrageous and disgusting” — was a matter solely for the SNP-led Scottish government. However, a senior US official told The Times last night: “We believe it was the wrong decision — I don’t know if the UK thinks so or not. It has been extraordinarily silent on this issue.”

The official suggested that it was disingenuous for the Government to claim that responsibility lay only with the devolved Scottish government because the release of al-Megrahi had wider foreign policy implications. '

31 Pupdawg  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:00:57am

re: #17 jcm

Liberty.

According to our President's actions, liberty appears to be not only free, but unworthy, geriatric and ripe for the trash heap.

32 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:01:16am

re: #30 yma o hyd

Here's some interesting info about some more stuff which went on behind closed doors - worth reading in toto:

Lockerbie release casts dark shadow over Britain's ties with US

From that link:
'Downing Street insisted that the decision — condemned by the White House yesterday as “outrageous and disgusting” — was a matter solely for the SNP-led Scottish government. However, a senior US official told The Times last night: “We believe it was the wrong decision — I don’t know if the UK thinks so or not. It has been extraordinarily silent on this issue.”

The official suggested that it was disingenuous for the Government to claim that responsibility lay only with the devolved Scottish government because the release of al-Megrahi had wider foreign policy implications. '

Payback for returning Churchill and set of DVDs that won't play in Britain.

33 MarineGrunt  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:02:03am

In every woodpile you can always find a rat.

34 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:02:41am

Did the British government force this on the Scottish government on behalf of the company BP?

I dunno. I own a few shares of BP, I know a little about the company, and I like to think they wouldn't do this anyway ... especially if they thought they might get caught!

35 Bob Dillon  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:03:05am

re: #25 realwest

Excellent comment. We'll never break our need for oil, as petroleum is used is a wide variety of products.
But we SHOULD be using nuclear power to create our electricity and - to the extent truly feasable - using electricity for transportation.

Check out:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

New battery could change world, one house at a time

This is real and starting to happen now.

36 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:03:27am

re: #24 wahabicorridor

Libya has gas?

off to check...

Be careful Libya can be dangerous./

37 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:04:21am

re: #24 wahabicorridor

Libya has gas?

off to check...

If they ate the same chili I had last night, they do.
/

38 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:04:43am

re: #30 yma o hyd

Good lord. Did you see one of the comments there?

If Obama wanted leverage with the Brits, he should have treated Gordon Brown's visit with a little respect. What goes around, comes around.

39 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:04:46am

We need wind power!!
Can't! You'll kill birds!!
We need hydo power!!
Can't! You'll kill fish!!
We need nuke power!
Can't!! Meltdown!!

What do you suggest, Mr. Environmentalist?

Here's a new light bulb...
*spit*

40 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:05:11am

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

I heard we have some gas reserves off of Florida. And since China will be drilling off Cuba..


Its so dumb. We are too principled to drill there so we just let another Country take whats there.

41 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:05:23am

re: #32 jcm

Payback for returning Churchill and set of DVDs that won't play in Britain.

Naw - Gord is too thick-skinned for that!

But see this:

'Colonel Gaddafi’s son said that discussion of al-Megrahi’s release had always been tied up with the oil and gas business.

“In all commercial contracts, for oil and gas with Britain, [al-Megrahi] was always on the negotiating table,” he said on the Libyan channel Al Mutawassit. Tony Blair raised al-Megrahi’s case each time he visited Libya as Prime Minister, he added. “All British interests were linked to the release of Abdul Baset Ali al-Megrahi.”
(My emphasis)

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

42 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:05:59am

re: #31 Pupdawg
Well, "geriatric and ripe for the trash heap." is most certainly true.

43 irongrampa  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:06:37am

re: #5 Sharmuta

We are going to be hostage to oil until an alternate source that eclipses the multiple advantages oil enjoys.

No such resource has yet been found.

44 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:07:24am

re: #35 Bobibutu

Check out:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

New battery could change world, one house at a time

This is real and starting to happen now.


Yup, but I'd bet dollars to donuts it ISN'T going to happen - what are we gonna do with all those used batteries?!
And what about apartment buildings?
Besides, it makes too much sense.

45 bemused  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:07:26am

What I find odd about this take on the release is why would Birtian neeed to do this? Don;t they have oil for themselves, i.e., the North Seas fields?

46 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:07:55am

re: #38 wahabicorridor

Good lord. Did you see one of the comments there?

No cure for stupid!

This goes way beyond Gord - this has been started by none other than tony Blair, and has been developed by Mandelson.

Gord, btw, is conveniently on holidays ... in Scotland ...

47 Pupdawg  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:08:38am

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

I heard we have some gas reserves off of Florida. And since China will be drilling off Cuba...

Here's a novel idea:

If we could only get ACORN involved in oil exploration and refining then...

Nah, on second glance Obama would just give it away to those who hate US the most.

48 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:09:34am

re: #43 irongrampa
Ah, with respect irongrampa - if we used nuclear power the way the French do, and could generate over 70% of our nation's electricity needs the way the French do, then we'd have sufficient oil OF OUR OWN and could break free of the oil ticks should we choose to do so.

49 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:10:07am

'David Cameron pressed Mr Brown yesterday on whether he supported the decision by Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish Justice Secretary, to free al-Megrahi after he had served less than eight years of his 27-year sentence.

In a letter to the Prime Minister, Mr Cameron pointed out that Mr Gaddafi had publicly thanked the Scottish authorities and the British Government for their stance, raising questions about London’s role.

“The fact that the decision to release him was taken by the Scottish Justice Secretary does not preclude you, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, from now expressing your opinion on a subject that is of great public concern,” the Conservative leader said.'

“The public are entitled to know what you think of the decision.”

(My emphasis)

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

50 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:10:29am

re: #43 irongrampa

We are going to be hostage to oil until an alternate source that eclipses the multiple advantages oil enjoys.

No such resource has yet been found.

I know- so here we are. *sigh*

51 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:11:35am

re: #45 bemused

What I find odd about this take on the release is why would Birtian neeed to do this? Don;t they have oil for themselves, i.e., the North Seas fields?

those fields are almost depleted

52 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:11:42am

re: #29 albusteve
Gah, "not gonna happen...that would be healthy for the economy" silly me, sorry!

53 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:11:44am

re: #5 Sharmuta

Until we break the need for oil- we will continue to be hostages to thugs.

Disgusting, but reality.

Oil is an industrialized nation's crack cocaine.

54 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:12:51am

re: #48 realwest

Ah, with respect irongrampa - if we used nuclear power the way the French do, and could generate over 70% of our nation's electricity needs the way the French do, then we'd have sufficient oil OF OUR OWN and could break free of the oil ticks should we choose to do so.

We have enough to go it on our own energy wise.

Nuclear for electricity, even coal. For POL (Peterolum, Oil, Lubricants) we have enough here, offshore and ANWR, and an abundance if you roll in the shale. Far more than enough to get us to the next generation energy source.

We don't have to panic, we just have to make rational decisions, then have the WILL to act on them.

55 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:13:17am

re: #45 bemused

What I find odd about this take on the release is why would Birtian neeed to do this? Don;t they have oil for themselves, i.e., the North Seas fields?

These fields are running out - and thanks to the green, NuLab brigade, the new power stations we need are not being built because of the environment ... oh, and investigations into drilling offshore are also stopped, because of the environment.

But hey, we can build windfarms all over the place, never mind the destroyed landscapes ...

56 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:13:25am

re: #50 Sharmuta

I know- so here we are. *sigh*

the solution is simple and political...get the obstructionist lawsuits kicked up to the SC and see if they will open the door for nuclear power...it's only a very small handful of people holding it up

57 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:14:00am

re: #46 yma o hyd

No cure for stupid!

This goes way beyond Gord - this has been started by none other than tony Blair, and has been developed by Mandelson.

Gord, btw, is conveniently on holidays ... in Scotland ...

God Lord! Rothschild! Mendelson!

CAN'T YOU SEE! It the Bilderburgers, the Trilateralist, the Zionist Cabal!

///

58 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:14:19am

re: #56 albusteve

Unless we get nuclear powered cars, that won't help.

59 irongrampa  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:14:22am

re: #48 realwest

No disagreement there, all we need to do is negate the Luddites--don't see much chance of that, given the present situation.

Solar and wind aren't viable, they're just an adjunct to the present system of power generation.

60 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:14:45am

re: #54 jcm

We have enough to go it on our own energy wise.

Nuclear for electricity, even coal. For POL (Peterolum, Oil, Lubricants) we have enough here, offshore and ANWR, and an abundance if you roll in the shale. Far more than enough to get us to the next generation energy source.

We don't have to panic, we just have to make rational decisions, then have the WILL to act on them.

NIMBY!

Or in the words of that great philosopher, Barney Fife: "We got to nip it in the bud! Nip it, nip it nip it!"

61 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:15:12am

re: #58 Sharmuta

Unless we get nuclear powered cars, that won't help.

well scrap that idea then

62 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:15:32am

Sort of on topic... what HAS Obama learned from the Islamic world in the past 8 months? Not very much it seems

Obama's Ramadan Hallmark Moment ...

"On behalf of the American people -- including Muslim communities in all fifty states -- I want to extend best wishes to Muslims in America and around the world. Ramadan Kareem." Obama said. "These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam's role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings."

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

63 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:15:35am

re: #38 wahabicorridor

Good lord. Did you see one of the comments there?


"If Obama wanted leverage with the Brits, he should have treated Gordon Brown's visit with a little respect. What goes around, comes around."

Methinks that relationship has already tanked. Gordon Brown and Barack Obama have never heard of the "special relationship" we've always had with Great Britain.

64 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:15:48am

re: #57 jcm

God Lord! Rothschild! Mendelson!

CAN'T YOU SEE! It the Bilderburgers, the Trilateralist, the Zionist Cabal!

///

Heh.

Something else came to my mind, but we don't talk about the private, sexual preferences of our Lords and ministers in Goverment ...

;-)

65 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:16:07am

I can't get over the anti-Americanism is the comments:

What harms Britain's relationship with the US is

-keeping our citizens in Guantanamo

-sucking us into their stupid wars

-historically, overthrowing foreign elected governments that they don't approve of

-their acts of global bullying

-claiming to be Christian, then killing thousands of innocents (Iraq, Afghanistan)

66 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:16:27am

re: #43 irongrampa

We are going to be hostage to oil until an alternate source that eclipses the multiple advantages oil enjoys.

No such resource has yet been found.

Hard to beat the energy density of gasoline.

But electricity has lots of advantages, too, not the least of which is it doesn't matter how it's generated; it all works the same. Switching to nuclear power nationwide would enormously reduce dependence of foreign oil, and the hard bits - transportation, natural gas heating, and so forth - could be given more time to develop realistic alternatives.

67 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:16:53am

re: #58 Sharmuta

Unless we get nuclear powered cars, that won't help.

To make electric cars viable the entire power grid will have to be upgraded and the only serious solution to the demands of a significant number of electric cars will be nuclear power generation.

68 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:16:54am

re: #59 irongrampa

No disagreement there, all we need to do is negate the Luddites--don't see much chance of that, given the present situation.

Solar and wind aren't viable, they're just an adjunct to the present system of power generation.

When things get bad enough, the Luddites will get rolled. It won't be pretty but it will happen.

69 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:17:13am

What's up with the "Don't worry Mr. Obama, it's only three months" comment by Megrahi?

70 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:17:13am

re: #58 Sharmuta

Unless we get nuclear powered cars, that won't help.

I we put nuclear on the grid, and that cut's the need for carbon based power generation, then what comes next, electric cars, using all that electrical power that the nuclear plants generate.

71 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:17:15am

re: #58 Sharmuta

Unless we get nuclear powered cars, that won't help.

Traffic accident with a nuke powered car might vaporize seven blocks of downtown. That might ruin your day!

72 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:17:59am

re: #65 wahabicorridor

I can't get over the anti-Americanism is the comments:

The anti-Americanism of the British LLL is well known.
Now that the TIMES allows comments, they just spew forth unhindered.

73 Reluctant Democrat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:18:13am

All this to keep the enviro wackos happy? It is insane not to drill and explore in the West.

I also wonder how sick this guy really is and who signed the doctor's report.

74 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:18:30am

re: #71 SteveC

Traffic accident with a nuke powered car might vaporize seven blocks of downtown. That might ruin your day!

LUDDITE!

;-P

75 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:18:48am

re: #54 jcm
Yes, but I'm afraid those rational decisions will have to wait until the current powers that be pay off the support of the environmentalist groups for their election support.

76 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:19:17am

Hey Firefox users (of which I am just become one), I don't see anything like IE's "restricted sites" capability, but there's a "policymanager" addin from some japanese site, only it's for older versions of firefox ... does it work on the new 3.5.2, or is there some other way to do this? thanx.

77 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:19:20am

re: #69 KenJen

What's up with the "Don't worry Mr. Obama, it's only three months" comment by Megrahi?

I'd assume Megrahi thinks he'll be dead of his cancer, in three months.

78 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:20:33am

re: #58 Sharmuta

Unless we get nuclear powered cars, that won't help.

Well if we use nuclear power to generate over 70% of our electrical needs the way France has done, perhaps the future of electric automobiles and trucks would become a LOT brighter.

79 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:20:43am

re: #65 wahabicorridor

I can't get over the anti-Americanism is the comments:

What harms Britain's relationship with the US is
-keeping our citizens in Guantanamo
-sucking us into their stupid wars
-historically, overthrowing foreign elected governments that they don't approve of
-their acts of global bullying
-claiming to be Christian, then killing thousands of innocents (Iraq, Afghanistan)

We never overthrew George III, we just kicked his ass out. Get over it.

80 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:20:44am

OT: AZ Assault Rifle-Wielding Man And Gun-Toter In NH Belong To Same Right-Wing Group


Chris Broughton, the man who brought an assault rifle to an Obama event in Arizona earlier this week, and William Kostric, who protested outside a presidential forum in New Hampshire armed with a handgun last week, are both listed as "team members" of the Arizona chapter of the We The People organization.

The group is committed to "restoring Freedom and Constitutional Order through the exercise of popular sovereignty by all possible non-violent means."

81 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:20:47am

re: #68 SurferDoc

When things get bad enough, the Luddites will get rolled. It won't be pretty but it will happen.

you are exactly right...they will either walk away from their destructive notions or get smacked out of the way by an irate, suffering electorate

82 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:21:30am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

OT: AZ Assault Rifle-Wielding Man And Gun-Toter In NH Belong To Same Right-Wing Group

Why am I not surprised?

83 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:21:48am
84 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:22:00am

re: #72 yma o hyd

The anti-Americanism of the British LLL is well known.
Now that the TIMES allows comments, they just spew forth unhindered.

I just find it very odd that the poster forgot about the Great Britain on which the sun never set - i.e., its colonial history.

Silly me.

85 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:22:07am

If this turns out to be the case, it will affect my post regarding the release on the return-video thread. Consideration for compassionate release is standard in the Scottish judicial system, but this -- if true -- would have a bearing on my willingness to cut Scotland a break.

Be that as it may, Lord Trefgarne and his associates come across as cold-blooded venal bastards, wholly without conscience. Way to go, assholes.

86 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:22:22am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

OT: AZ Assault Rifle-Wielding Man And Gun-Toter In NH Belong To Same Right-Wing Group

Birds of a feather...

87 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:23:00am

re: #54 jcm

We have enough to go it on our own energy wise.

Nuclear for electricity, even coal. For POL (Peterolum, Oil, Lubricants) we have enough here, offshore and ANWR, and an abundance if you roll in the shale. Far more than enough to get us to the next generation energy source.

We don't have to panic, we just have to make rational decisions, then have the WILL to act on them.


There are a lot of potential solutions, but we never seem to take a consistent and logical approach. It has been a political and ideological battle instead.

88 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:23:12am

re: #82 Sharmuta

I'm looking at their webpage now. Looks like generic Paulian/Libertarian stuff.

89 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:23:20am

re: #83 MikeySDCA

And he wasn't elected anyway.

True that. Can we say the Lord North administration?

90 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:23:42am

re: #62 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! Don't suppose he managed to mention any thing(s) done by Islam evidencing it's role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings did he?

91 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:23:52am

re: #7 wahabicorridor

I posted this on the DT, so some might find this interesting.

A lot of people think he didn't do it

I have seen some posts to this effect. I haven't paid much attention to them, not because I necessarily think they're wrong, just because I don't think they're particularly relevant.

Here is a transcript from Wolf Blitzer's interview of Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill. An excerpt:

Blitzer: Mr. MacAskill, did Al Megrahi kill 270 people?

MacAskill: Yes. He was convicted by a Scottish court.

Blitzer: Did he do so in cold blood?

MacAskill: Absolutely.

If information has come to light casting doubt on Al Megrahi's guilt, then he should be re-tried and perhaps set free. If not, then he should rot in jail for the rest of his life. His sentence should not be altered for any reason without a retrial.

92 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:24:16am

re: #87 VioletTiger

There are a lot of potential solutions, but we never seem to take a consistent and logical approach. It has been a political and ideological battle instead.

liberal judges

93 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:25:17am

re: #65 wahabicorridor

I can't get over the anti-Americanism is the comments:

Hey wahabi - how about you going over there and adding "Keeping the British speaking English instead of German"?!

94 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:25:58am

re: #84 wahabicorridor

I just find it very odd that the poster forgot about the Great Britain on which the sun never set - i.e., its colonial history.

Silly me.

Heh - that poster is probably a product of the utterly discredited educational system, instituted by NuLab 12 years ago.
They don't teach British history any more - thats 'imperialistic'!
They only teach about how bad Great Britain was: colonialist, slaves ...
Those products of that education will believe any propaganda, especially that coming from the LLL.

95 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:26:16am

re: #91 Last Mohican

If information has come to light casting doubt on Al Megrahi's guilt, then he should be re-tried

Ah, my dear Mohican, you have just hit on a very important subtext to all this. HE WAS GRANTED A NEW TRIAL.

There is some speculation that he was released because the powers that be did NOT want certain things to be exposed - such things possibly including the idea that he was framed.

96 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:26:48am

re: #90 realwest

Hi Walter! Don't suppose he managed to mention any thing(s) done by Islam evidencing it's role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings did he?

Er no, how could he? At least not any reference to a contemporary role Islam has in advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

97 Fishermage  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:27:06am

Is anyone surprised with this development?

98 Lincolntf  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:27:09am

re: #65 wahabicorridor

Yup. They hate the US and this gives them one more opportunity to poke at the big, mean USA. At least half of the commenters I've seen in their papers imply that the US/the West deserved the Lockerbie attack. Screw them.
I'm 25% Scottish and will make an effort to avoid buying from Scotland ever again, but what the hell do they produce that's worth a damn anyway? Scotch and a few articles of golf clothing are the only things I actually own from that sheep paddy of a country.

99 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:27:17am

re: #73 Reluctant Democrat

All this to keep the enviro wackos happy? It is insane not to drill and explore in the West.

I also wonder how sick this guy really is and who signed the doctor's report.


Well if it's true that he had Prostate Cancer, then it is probably true. Prostate Cancer is the number one cause of Cancer Deaths in Men worldwide.

100 irongrampa  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:27:27am

Since being retired means it's ALL a weekend (if you desire) guess we'll see if the grandkids want to to go fishing/picnic/general flog around.

Getting damn sick of the political atmosphere, anyway.

Heads high, good people--we ARE Americans, we'll persevere.

101 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:27:38am

re: #93 realwest

Hey wahabi - how about you going over there and adding "Keeping the British speaking English instead of German"?!

I would except the Brits don't speak English. They speak British. We're two countries, separated by a single language, remember?

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:28:29am

re: #53 SteveC

Oil is an industrialized nation's crack cocaine.

Destroys all sense of self-preservation, dignity, normal ties with others, planning for the future, ability to make and keep promises and contracts...

Check.

103 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:28:56am

re: #100 irongrampa

Nothing soothes the soul as much as fishing.

104 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:29:08am

re: #101 wahabicorridor

I would except the Brits don't speak English. They speak British. We're two countries, separated by a single language, remember?

Do they understand "Fuck You?" (to them, not you)

105 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:29:22am

re: #91 Last Mohican

If information has come to light casting doubt on Al Megrahi's guilt, then he should be re-tried and perhaps set free. If not, then he should rot in jail for the rest of his life. His sentence should not be altered for any reason without a retrial.

Too late for that!
Megrahi had another appeal pending - and withdraw it, so he could be released.

There are the usual conspiracy rumours (yep - it was the CIA, in case you didn't know!), but now we will never know.

IMO, one can show mercy after all judicial inquiries have been done and finished, and there is no more doubt.
Not before!

106 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:29:28am

re: #95 wahabicorridor

Ah, my dear Mohican, you have just hit on a very important subtext to all this. HE WAS GRANTED A NEW TRIAL.

He was? I didn't see that. That would certainly change my view of this whole story.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:29:59am

re: #61 albusteve

well scrap that idea then

Hey, remember the Mr. Fusion from Back to the Future? It could happen!

108 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:30:22am

re: #80 Killgore Trout
Well Lord knows that I can understand why they'd want to go armed with guns to achieve their stated goal of "The group is committed to "restoring Freedom and Constitutional Order through the exercise of popular sovereignty by all possible non-violent means."
/
Good catch, btw!

109 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:30:40am

re: #98 Lincolntf

Yup. They hate the US and this gives them one more opportunity to poke at the big, mean USA. At least half of the commenters I've seen in their papers imply that the US/the West deserved the Lockerbie attack. Screw them.
I'm 25% Scottish and will make an effort to avoid buying from Scotland ever again, but what the hell do they produce that's worth a damn anyway? Scotch and a few articles of golf clothing are the only things I actually own from that sheep paddy of a country.

hubby is almost 100% Scot (Sutherland clan, I believe). He's so disgusted he's spitting. He wants me to replace the window dressings in his den, because the cornices are upholstered in his clan's tartan - fabric I ordered from Scotland with the help of the consulate here.

Ain't gonna happen.

110 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:31:02am

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do they understand "Fuck You?" (to them, not you)

We do - we invented it!

;-)

111 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:31:24am

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do they understand "Fuck You?" (to them, not you)

I believe the term is 'bugger off'

112 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:31:46am

Regarding the (apparently substantial) sentiment in the UK regarding whats-his-face's innocent, I haven't researched the details, so I won't address that sentiment on the facts.

That said, I do know there's a long-running and knee-jerk affection for underdogs among the British chattering classes. Therefore, my first guess would be that the sentiment is based upon bullshit.

113 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:32:32am

re: #111 wahabicorridor

I believe the term is 'bugger off'

Thats one of them ...
The preferred option is 'p*ss off, you w*nker!'

114 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:32:52am

re: #105 yma o hyd

Megrahi had another appeal pending

I thought the appeal was granted?

115 Lincolntf  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:33:08am

re: #112 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He had a trial at the Hague. He's been convicted of mass murder. The "innocent" crap gets zero traction with me.

116 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:33:10am

Good Afternoon Lizards!
Hope everyone is well...It's overcast and cool...Maybe the pool party can be Sunday...
Damn you Al Gore!

117 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:33:21am

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do they understand "Fuck You?" (to them, not you)

Think so. All I know was that I was on one of those sponsored overseas tours my Senior year in high school and I was visiting with my British pen-pal and her family. She asked me if i had a rubber*!

/Holy...! I like you too, but not in front of your parents, ok?

*eraser. Didn't know that at the time and scared the shit out of myself!

118 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:33:30am

re: #113 yma o hyd

Thats one of them ...
The preferred option is 'p*ss off, you w*nker!'

What about "sod off"?

119 harpsicon  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:33:31am

re: #53 SteveC

Oil is an industrialized nation's crack cocaine.

Actually no - it's merely the most convenient way to produce energy in a lot of situations, which makes us a productive and prosperous nation.

Crack cocaine, last I heard, doesn't do that.

We could produce a lot of electricity with nuclear plants, which while not convenient are certainly effective.

The only reason it seems like we are "addicted" to oil is that it is so bloody useful, and our energy policy has been tied up in knots by the enviro lobby.

120 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:33:47am

re: #110 yma o hyd

We do - we invented it!

;-)

The Welsh invented it? I thought it was from old German!

121 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:34:20am

re: #96 Walter L. Newton
Yeah, sorry I left the sarc tag off that one, thought it self-evident, which it evidently wasn't!

122 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:34:37am

DR. STRANGELOVE IS ON TCM/!

123 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:34:44am

Well, either this is a case of "we will show the world just how good we are by letting a dying man go home to die with his family" or "we really need the oil and gas contracts so let's let this scumbag go home, he's going to die anyway, might as well profit off of it"

In both cases, the Scots and the UK are WRONG. Sorry, chaps, you should all hang your collective heads in shame. There is no excuse of this action.

124 Mr. E. Train  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:35:18am

There was a Wired article a few months back that said some German scientists had found a (new) way to make oil, and thus gas, from coal. End cost at the pump would be about $3.80 a gallon.

The US has a whole bunch 'o coal.

125 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:35:28am

re: #120 wahabicorridor

The Welsh invented it? I thought it was from old German!

I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were the first ones to do the wild thing...
Wonder what they called it

126 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:35:50am

re: #122 MandyManners

DR. STRANGELOVE IS ON TCM/!

Thank you.

127 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:35:53am

re: #112 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Regarding the (apparently substantial) sentiment in the UK regarding whats-his-face's innocent, I haven't researched the details, so I won't address that sentiment on the facts.

That said, I do know there's a long-running and knee-jerk affection for underdogs among the British chattering classes. Therefore, my first guess would be that the sentiment is based upon bullshit.

Thing is, the sentiment is pure window dressing, for us animal-loving peasants.

What is slowly dribbling out is that this deal, to free Megrahi, has been long in the making, starting with Tony Blair in 2007.
Its a NuLab business deal - and the Scots, especially the Scottish Nationalist Party, who governs Scotland at the moment, has been made to carry the can.

The Scottish Nationalist ousted NuLAb in Scotland at the last election there - unforgivable for NuLab!

128 MacDuff  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:36:06am

re: #125 HoosierHoops

Begetting?

129 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:36:14am

re: #119 harpsicon

The only reason it seems like we are "addicted" to oil is that it is so bloody useful, and our energy policy has been tied up in knots by the enviro lobby.

Gonna have to face it
you're addicted to oil...

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:36:20am

re: #84 wahabicorridor

I just find it very odd that the poster forgot about the Great Britain on which the sun never set - i.e., its colonial history.

Silly me.

Many Britons I've met have an enormous blind spot about that. It seems to allow them to blame the U.S. wholeheartedly for all sorts of things, while neglecting to mention how recently they were drawing the lines and overthrowing the governments in various continuing hotspots around the world.

I mostly have the conversation about Israel, but it applies in other areas.

131 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:36:31am

re: #122 MandyManners

DR. STRANGELOVE IS ON TCM/!

Quick, get him into the bedroom before The Kid (tm) sees him.
/

132 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:36:48am

re: #114 wahabicorridor

I thought the appeal was granted?

It was - but Megrahi withdrew, so he could be released.

The appeal was going to be heard at the end of this year, iirc.

133 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:36:59am

re: #115 Lincolntf

He had a trial at the Hague. He's been convicted of mass murder. The "innocent" crap gets zero traction with me.

He was small fry. No junior-level intelligence officer goes off and does something like this on his own hook.

134 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:37:08am

re: #122 MandyManners

DR. STRANGELOVE IS ON TCM/!

Mandy, we can tell when you are only paying half attention to us here at LGF.

135 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:37:16am

The etymology of fuck

136 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:37:34am

re: #118 MandyManners

What about "sod off"?

If you want to be polite ...

:-)

137 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:37:36am

re: #122 MandyManners

DR. STRANGELOVE IS ON TCM/!

You could have a grand ol' time in Vegas with that!

138 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:38:13am

re: #120 wahabicorridor

The Welsh invented it? I thought it was from old German!

I was speaking as a Brit ...

:-)

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:38:29am

re: #135 wahabicorridor

The etymology of fuck

A noun and a verb. Like google.

140 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:38:57am

Just when political boggles the mind, it's nice to have Stanley Kubrick show you how fucked up it could be.

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:39:04am

re: #109 wahabicorridor

hubby is almost 100% Scot (Sutherland clan, I believe). He's so disgusted he's spitting. He wants me to replace the window dressings in his den, because the cornices are upholstered in his clan's tartan - fabric I ordered from Scotland with the help of the consulate here.

Ain't gonna happen.

Oh for God's sakes. One dumb, even evil, government move does not invalidate a whole culture. Clan Sutherland didn't do this. Keep the damn tartan!

142 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:39:24am

Gotta go and feed Madame - she's in the kitchen, whining!

BBIAB!

143 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:40:03am

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

Many Britons I've met have an enormous blind spot about that

My Dad was stationed in the UK during WWII (even had a British girlfriend) and he said that blind spot was evident even then. India anyone?

144 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:41:13am

re: #140 MandyManners

Just when political boggles the mind, it's nice to have Stanley Kubrick show you how fucked up it could be.

I'm watching the Manchurian Candidate for the first time...The 2004 version with Denzil of course

145 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:41:16am

Why didn't State & Justice -at the request of Dear Presidente- seek extradition of al-Megrahi for his trial back here in the States?

While it is highly unlikely the Scot's would have ever turned Megrahi over to us, such a move would have almost certainly delayed his release until it was in a pine box.

The supposed distress & bluster that has come out of the WH over this situation is nothing but pure bullchit.

146 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:41:25am

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh for God's sakes. One dumb, even evil, government move does not invalidate a whole culture. Clan Sutherland didn't do this. Keep the damn tartan!


Aye Laddie - as someone who is 75% Scot (Clan Cameron thank you kindly) I couldn't agree more!

147 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:41:57am

A versatile word.


Youtube Video
148 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:42:05am
149 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:42:07am

re: #143 wahabicorridor

My Dad was stationed in the UK during WWII (even had a British girlfriend) and he said that blind spot was evident even then. India anyone?

But the British are outta Lucknow.

150 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:42:10am

re: #146 realwest

Aye LaddieLassie - as someone who is 75% Scot (Clan Cameron thank you kindly) I couldn't agree more!

ftfy

151 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:42:56am

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh for God's sakes. One dumb, even evil, government move does not invalidate a whole culture. Clan Sutherland didn't do this. Keep the damn tartan!

Oh I fully intend do (especially given what we paid for it having it shipped over and all).

What you must keep in mind about my husband is that one year when the Yankees blew the series he put all his baseball memorabilia in a storage locker - and there's quite a bit of it, his entire den, and part of our office. Took him months to put it all back.

He's the sensitive type...:D

152 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:43:10am

Nuclear combat toe-to-toe with the Rooskies.

153 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:43:20am

re: #143 wahabicorridor

India anyone?

Anglo-Zanzibar War

August 27, 1896. Lasted 38 minutes.

154 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:43:32am

re: #145 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Why didn't State & Justice -at the request of Dear Presidente- seek extradition of al-Megrahi for his trial back here in the States?

While it is highly unlikely the Scot's would have ever turned Megrahi over to us, such a move would have almost certainly delayed his release until it was in a pine box.

The supposed distress & bluster that has come out of the WH over this situation is nothing but pure bullchit.

The Scots would be afraid on Magrahi's behalf, that we might put panties on his head.

155 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:43:41am

The 1/10th of me that is Scot is mad as hell. Of course, it is mad most of the time anyway...unless I give it some whiskey.

This entire episode reeks no matter which you you slice it.

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:43:47am

re: #146 realwest

Aye Laddie - as someone who is 75% Scot (Clan Cameron thank you kindly) I couldn't agree more!

No problem--except that I'm actually a lassie.

;)

157 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:43:59am

re: #149 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But the British are outta Lucknow.

*whack*

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:44:00am

re: #152 MandyManners

Nuclear combat toe-to-toe with the Rooskies.

Doesn't Peter Sellars play 3 different rolls in this?

159 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:44:20am

*muttering*
I betcha no one here knows about the 1857 Mutiny!

160 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:44:22am
The bomber, Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi, suffering from terminal prostate cancer, was freed from a Scottish prison on Thursday and flown home in a V.I.P. jetliner to scenes of jubilation in Libya that were broadcast around the world, angering many in Britain and America, including President Obama.

On Friday, Lord Trefgarne, chairman of the Libyan British Business Council, said Mr. Megrahi’s release had opened the way for Britain’s leading oil companies to pursue multibillion-dollar oil contracts with Libya, which had demanded Mr. Megrahi’s return in talks with British officials and business executives.

This is such a hideous betrayal of the families who lost loved ones on that airplane that I'm at a loss for words.

161 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:44:41am
162 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:45:06am

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

see my 150 :-)

163 BignJames  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:45:29am

If he's not dead in 3 months, can we lock him back up?

164 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:45:32am

re: #148 MikeySDCA

Double jeopardy. He's already been tried once.

Not by us!

(same theory as that you can sue in state court for X and in federal court for Y and in civil court for Z, all for the same single action, eg cops in rodney king, OJ, etc)

165 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:45:38am

re: #159 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*muttering*
I betcha no one here knows about the 1857 Mutiny!

Betcha one does.

166 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:45:42am

re: #157 wahabicorridor

*whack*

re: #159 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh, wahabi does!

167 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:45:48am

re: #145 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

The supposed distress & bluster that has come out of the WH over this situation is nothing but pure bullchit.

Almost as if they don't have any clue - Sorry! I forgot this was President Obama.

Forgive me.

168 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:45:54am

re: #159 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*muttering*
I betcha no one here knows about the 1857 Mutiny!

You're the only one here who's is old enough to remember it.

169 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:46:13am
170 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:46:30am

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

Doesn't Peter Sellars play 3 different rolls in this?

Mandrak, the president and Dr. Strangelove.

171 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:46:52am

OT Y'all - but HelloDare has a link to a great story about AG Holder's "Justice" Department!
:[Link: online.wsj.com...]

172 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:47:08am

Well, if asked if some Lizards know Indian history, I can say Raj to that.

173 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:47:09am

re: #159 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*muttering*
I betcha no one here knows about the 1857 Mutiny!

I'll bet that I DO know that this same mindset has been at war with us since then (before then, actually)

",,, to the shores of Tripoli"

174 califleftyb  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:47:11am

This is the content of a letter from FBI Director Robert S. Mueller, III, sent to Scottish Minister Kenny MacAskill regarding the release of Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

175 tradewind  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:47:18am

Where is the outrage in Berkeley? The streets should be chock full of signs reading No More Blood for Oil...
Oh wait... wrong side...

176 Teh Flowah  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:47:28am

re: #3 Ringo the Gringo

No blood for oil!

I think it's "No Life for Oil!"

We can't do anything for oil anymore . /.

177 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:47:33am

re: #145 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Why didn't State & Justice -at the request of Dear Presidente- seek extradition of al-Megrahi for his trial back here in the States?

While it is highly unlikely the Scot's would have ever turned Megrahi over to us, such a move would have almost certainly delayed his release until it was in a pine box.

The supposed distress & bluster that has come out of the WH over this situation is nothing but pure bullchit.

FCBBHO shook Gadaffi's hand.

178 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:47:40am

re: #150 Desert Dog
Whoops, thank you kindly!

179 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:48:19am

re: #168 wahabicorridor

You're the only one here who's is old enough to remember it.

*WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK*

:D

180 kcladderman  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:48:20am

re: #160 Irish Rose

Lord Trefgame doesn't care a bit about those families I am sure.

181 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:48:41am

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

No problem--except that I'm actually a lassie.

;)

I apologize again! Say, be you a single lassie?!?
:)

182 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:48:41am

re: #169 MikeySDCA

This isn't a civil case.

And here are the Scots, trying to be civil and so civilized about it.

Civil case probably won't keep him in jail, anyway. Just sayin, double jeopardy, like anything when you have good (!) attorneys, is a flexible concept.

183 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:48:44am

9 trillion? 7 trillion? It might as well be $100000 gazillion...we are screwed

Obama to raise 10-year deficit to $9 trillion

184 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:48:47am

re: #95 wahabicorridor

Ah, my dear Mohican, you have just hit on a very important subtext to all this. HE WAS GRANTED A NEW TRIAL.

I'm going to look into this more. It arguably has a certain pro-Al Megrahi spin to it, but, but the wikipedia article seems to be a good place to start.

According to the information there, Al Megrahi in 2003 applied for a review of his case. In 2007, after a four-year review, the Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission announced that it had found sufficient evidence that there had been a miscarriage of justice to grant Al Megrahi the right to appeal.

The new hearing was to begin in April 2009. I don't understand why it didn't. But on August 14, Al Megrahi withdrew his appeal. Commenting on this, a Scottish member of parliament said this:

"I know from the lengthy discussions I had with him that he was desperate to clear his name, so I believe that the decision is not entirely his own.

"There are a number of vested interests who have been deeply opposed to this appeal continuing as they know it would go a considerable way towards exposing the truth behind Lockerbie.

"Some serious scrutiny will be required to determine exactly why Mr Megrahi is now dropping his appeal and examination of what pressure he has come under."

185 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:48:53am

I have a performance this afternoon, and I'm out the door.
Have a good one, folks.

186 kcladderman  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:48:55am

Oh lunch time at the firehouse later

187 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:49:15am

re: #148 MikeySDCA

Double jeopardy. He's already been tried once.

Tried once by the Scot's. So what. He wasn't tried in the US for the crimes he committed against US citizens.

188 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:49:35am

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Sort of on topic... what HAS Obama learned from the Islamic world in the past 8 months? Not very much it seems

Obama's Ramadan Hallmark Moment ...

"On behalf of the American people -- including Muslim communities in all fifty states -- I want to extend best wishes to Muslims in America and around the world. Ramadan Kareem." Obama said. "These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam's role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings."

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

I heard that. I thought that he was going to say 'And that 9/11 thing, we kind of asked for it. I now some people wre wee weed off, but hey you know"

189 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:49:40am
190 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:49:43am

re: #160 Irish Rose
Your loss for words was quite eloquent Rose!

191 Cygnus  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:50:45am

re: #66 SixDegrees

Hard to beat the energy density of gasoline.

But electricity has lots of advantages, too, not the least of which is it doesn't matter how it's generated; it all works the same. Switching to nuclear power nationwide would enormously reduce dependence of foreign oil, and the hard bits - transportation, natural gas heating, and so forth - could be given more time to develop realistic alternatives.

And then we're stuck with nuclear waste that's radioactive for thousands of years. That's the one big problem with nuclear power. And no, I'm not a rabid tree hugger.

192 califleftyb  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:50:59am

Is this payback for those damn DVDs?

193 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:51:31am

re: #163 BignJames

If he's not dead in 3 months, can we lock him back up?

In the photo that the NYT published, he's standing upright, raising his arm in a triumphant gesture of defiance, and he doesn't look emaciated. He does not look to me like a man who's going to die imminently.

Even if he were, I think the appropriate level of compassion would be to allow for his body to be sent back to Libya for an appropriate Muslim burial after his his death in British custody.

194 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:52:16am

re: #174 califleftyb
YEA for Robert S. Mueller, III !

195 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:52:18am

re: #160 Irish Rose

This is such a hideous betrayal of the families who lost loved ones on that airplane that I'm at a loss for words.

From Wikipedia:

Dr Eckert told Scottish police that distinctive marks on Captain MacQuarrie's thumb suggested he had been hanging onto the yoke of the plane as it descended, and may have been alive when the plane crashed.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:52:27am

re: #181 realwest

I apologize again! Say, be you a single lassie?!?
:)

Married lassie. (Alas?) Two years this past Wednesday!

197 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:52:48am

re: #177 MandyManners

FCBBHO shook Gadaffi's hand.

Yea and what we're seeing from FCBBHO & Co. is nothing but stagecraft to be washed-down with a bit of Kool-Aid.

198 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:52:53am

If this bastard is innocent, why was greeted as a hero at home?

/don't make me laugh

199 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:52:58am

re: #181 realwest

I apologize again! Say, be you a single lassie?!?
:)

Aye Laddie , it's trollin ya are?

200 Cygnus  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:53:15am

re: #86 SteveC

Birds of a feather...

...get shot down together.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:53:51am

re: #192 califleftyb

Is this payback for those damn DVDs?

Look, if they were really mad about the DVDs, I would have gotten them a set that played on their machine! They didn't have to go to these lengths!

202 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:54:16am
203 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:55:09am

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

Married lassie. (Alas?) Two years this past Wednesday!

"Alas!" for us (who are still searching for a lass), but congratulations to you!

204 Wendya  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:55:12am

re: #7 wahabicorridor

I posted this on the DT, so some might find this interesting.

A lot of people think he didn't do it

That's not a surprise. When you handle a case like this in a criminal court, there is always information that can't be made public and people who start to drum up grandiose conspiracy theories to explain why the government "framed" the guy, etc...

People seem to love a good conspiracy theory. Did you know the Swine flu is either a government plot to enrich the drug companies or depopulate the planet? Yep.

205 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:55:28am

Compassion misplaced is misplaced Justice in this instance.

Nice job, Mr MacAsshole.

206 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:55:38am

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

Married lassie. (Alas?) Two years this past Wednesday!

Many happy anniversaries!

207 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:56:31am

re: #199 opnion

Aye Laddie , it's trollin ya are?

I'll admit to it. I think I'm using the wrong bait, haven't seen as much as a nibble in quite a while!

208 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:56:49am

Here comes the bodily fluids scene.

209 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:56:50am

re: #183 Desert Dog
Good Lord! And it was reported by Reuters no less!

210 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:57:23am

re: #202 MikeySDCA

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

To your knowledge, has that ever been tested for someone that was tried and convicted outside of the USA?
You have 2 distinct problems with citing this
A) it is in the US constitution, but the criminal is not a US citizen
B) he was not tried and convicted in a US court, so there hasn't been the 1st instance (of him being tried) under US jurisdiction

211 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:57:43am

re: #204 Wendya

Did you know the Swine flu is either a government plot to enrich the drug companies or depopulate the planet?

OF COURSE I know that! I'm behind all of it, silly Wendya

Seriously tho, I do think there was something fishy about that trial, given the one that was acquitted. This guy was such small fry...

212 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:58:20am

To all of our Aussie Lizards..shhh

Traffic noise could be ruining sex lives of frogs

213 Wendya  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:58:37am

re: #84 wahabicorridor

I just find it very odd that the poster forgot about the Great Britain on which the sun never set - i.e., its colonial history.

Silly me.

Selective amnesia. The American left gives them a pass for their past as well. I guess that nationalized health care makes up for colonization.

214 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:58:54am

re: #212 Desert Dog

To all of our Aussie Lizards..shhh

Traffic noise could be ruining sex lives of frogs

Why don't they just hop further from the road??

215 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:59:12am

This movie is best viewed while smoking marijuana.

216 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:59:45am

re: #191 Cygnus
Um, kindly write your thoughts on this matter (and they are good ones) to Senator Harry Reid (D-Nevada)
who is singularly responsible for closing down the Yucca Flats nuclear waste disposal proposition by a large, non-partisan commission.

217 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:00:20am

re: #212 Desert Dog

To all of our Aussie Lizards..shhh

Traffic noise could be ruining sex lives of frogs

What kind of condoms do frogs use ?

Ribbit for her pleasure.

218 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:00:22am

re: #214 sattv4u2

Why don't they just hop further from the road??

They are lucky there are not many Frenchmen living in Oz. Traffic would be the least of their problems...croak, croak

219 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:00:35am

re: #215 MandyManners

This movie is best viewed while smoking marijuana.

isn't everything, dude!?!?!?

220 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:01:06am

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

Married lassie. (Alas?) Two years this past Wednesday!


I hope not ALAS! Congrat's on the second anniversary!

221 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:01:37am

re: #204 Wendya

Did you know the Swine flu is either a government plot to enrich the drug companies or depopulate the planet? Yep.

Started last fall right here in the great state of South Carolina. I told High Command that all we had to do was infect the pigs in the SC State Fair Kiss-a Pig Contest!

I'm hoping for a little something extra in my paycheck, or at least my name on a plaque on the wall!

222 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:02:15am

re: #199 opnion
Aye it is, and this be MY pub - you go find you own, eh?!
:)

223 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:02:19am

Attention all units, be on the lookout for...

Chihuahua With Earrings Stolen At Gay Bar
Police Seek Man With Britney Spears Tattoo

224 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:02:28am

re: #207 SteveC

I'll admit to it. I think I'm using the wrong bait, haven't seen as much as a nibble in quite a while!

Steve, did you see ... #212 Desert Dog

To all of our Aussie Lizards..shhh

Traffic noise could be ruining sex lives of frogs

From that article:

A well-projected and energetic croak is the male frog's most important asset

225 Cygnus  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:03:22am

re: #217 SasquatchOnSteroids

What kind of condoms do frogs use ?

Ribbit for her pleasure.

That'll make her hoppy.

226 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:03:33am

re: #223 Desert Dog

Attention all units, be on the lookout for...

Chihuahua With Earrings Stolen At Gay Bar
Police Seek Man With Britney Spears Tattoo

I'd lock the sucker up just for the tatoo...

227 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:03:38am

re: #224 pre-Boomer Marine brat

RIBBIT!

228 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #224 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A well-projected and energetic croak is the male frog's most important asset

Is that what its called now?

229 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:03:54am

re: #215 MandyManners

This movie is best viewed while smoking marijuana.

Most movies are, try Space Odyssey.

230 buster  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:03:55am

re: #40 Mich-again

Its so dumb. We are too principled to drill there so we just let another Country take whats there.

"I drink your milkshake"

Daniel Plainview

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:04:33am

re: #229 opnion

Most movies are, try Space Odyssey.

Both are Kubrik flicks.

232 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:05:00am

re: #228 jcm

Is that what its called now?

That's what someone toad me.

233 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:05:27am

re: #223 Desert Dog

Attention all units, be on the lookout for...

Chihuahua With Earrings Stolen At Gay Bar
Police Seek Man With Britney Spears Tattoo

You can't even make shit like that up. Crazy.

234 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:05:35am

OT: Planting some of my winter garden today. Daikon radishes, Brussels Sprouts, collard greens and kale. Should be ready to harvest in early December.

235 Cygnus  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:05:37am

re: #229 opnion

Most movies are, try Space Odyssey.

Especially the last 15 minutes or so. Weird!

236 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:05:38am

re: #210 sattv4u2
Quite correct on both counts. But don't expect AG Holder to do anything about it (see my#171 above, even though unrelated and unrated by LGFer's here today, it's a glimpse into the mind of said Attorney General).

237 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #224 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A well-projected and energetic croak is the male frog's most important asset

Size matters.

238 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #222 realwest

Aye it is, and this be MY pub - you go find you own, eh?!
:)

Why don't we just have pint & talk about it Laddie?
Let's have a pint & talk about anything.

239 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:05:59am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

OT: Planting some of my winter garden today. Daikon radishes, Brussels Sprouts, collard greens and kale. Should be ready to harvest in early December.

But I'm hungry NOW!

240 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:06:05am

re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar

Both are Kubrik flicks.

Yup

241 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:06:11am

re: #232 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's what someone toad me.

Cripes, it gets horny around here fast.

242 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:06:38am

re: #239 sattv4u2

I know. I'm craving Brussels Sprouts too but I'll have to wait.

243 Cygnus  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:06:39am

re: #232 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's what someone toad me.

After she does some tad-pole dancing.

244 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:06:48am

Congratulations, you may already be a "winner"!

In Brazil, you've got mail — and possibly an STD

245 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:06:49am

re: #241 jcm

Cripes, it gets horny around here fast.

hehehe
"It get late here early"
Yogi Berra

246 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:06:55am

re: #237 MandyManners

A well-projected and energetic croak is the male frog's most important asset

Size matters.

Stop talking to my wife damn it!
/

247 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:07:33am

re: #235 Cygnus

Especially the last 15 minutes or so. Weird!

And how, that last 15 minutes is whatever prism that you looked through & that was probably the point.

248 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:07:53am

re: #241 jcm

Cripes, it gets horny around here fast.

You ain't amphibian!

249 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:08:20am

re: #237 MandyManners

A well-projected and energetic croak is the male frog's most important asset

Size matters.

But in this case, it's only hot air.

250 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:08:43am

re: #223 Desert Dog
Now I KNOW it's a slow news day! LOL!

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:08:57am

re: #223 Desert Dog

Attention all units, be on the lookout for...

Chihuahua With Earrings Stolen At Gay Bar
Police Seek Man With Britney Spears Tattoo

Good grief.

Then again, I used to know a couple (straight) who had commissioned a tiny leather jacket for their chihuahua.

252 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:08:58am

I can't believe I'm still in my pajamas. Gotta go and get civilized.

later lizards!

253 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:08:58am

One issue of prophylactics.

254 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:09:13am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

OT: Planting some of my winter garden today. Daikon radishes, Brussels Sprouts, collard greens and kale. Should be ready to harvest in early December.

I love daikon. Mrs. Desert Dog makes this filipino dish with it and it is so tasty! The rest sounds tasty too. When is dinner? I hope you made enough for all of us!

255 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:09:13am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

OT: Planting some of my winter garden today. Daikon radishes, Brussels Sprouts, collard greens and kale. Should be ready to harvest in early December.

Fun. I planted brussel sprouts and parsnips in mine. Hope it goes better than my summer garden.

256 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:09:48am

re: #233 SasquatchOnSteroids
Hey SOS - how are ya today?!

257 Cygnus  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:10:03am

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Good grief.

Then again, I used to know a couple (straight) who had commissioned a tiny leather jacket for their chihuahua.

I've seen little doggie Harley jackets for sale at Petco. They're actually quite cool.

258 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:10:20am

re: #254 Desert Dog

You can eat the tops too. Nice in stir fries and soups. A very useful plant.

259 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:10:30am

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. It's a war room!

260 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:10:42am

re: #256 realwest

Hey SOS - how are ya today?!

Good, RW !
How are you feeling today and how's your mother ?

261 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:10:55am

re: #255 KenJen

My winter garden is always better than my summer garden.

262 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:11:08am

Well I'm off to the Airport to rescue the funds for a Nigerian prince.
He told me that I could keep as much as I want & give him the rest.
The Royals really are different.
Oh wait, I have to mow the lawn, maybe next week.

263 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:11:19am

re: #261 Killgore Trout

My winter garden is always better than my summer garden.

I blame Al Gore

264 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:11:42am

re: #248 SteveC

You ain't amphibian!

Gotta be careful with those--they all got the Herps.

265 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:11:42am

re: #261 Killgore Trout

My winter garden is always better than my summer garden.

re: #263 sattv4u2

I blame Al Gore

Not to mention Ron Paul and those summer tea parties!

266 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:11:46am

The Offspring - Come Out and Play (Keep 'Em Separated)

Youtube Video
267 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:11:47am

re: #238 opnion
Aye, let's have a pint and talk about lassies!

268 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:11:59am

re: #257 Cygnus

I've seen little doggie Harley jackets for sale at Petco. They're actually quite cool.

Winston has a Harley coat...But I found this real wicked red satin Chinese Kung Fu coat...He thinks he is a stud like Jackie Chan.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:12:12am

re: #257 Cygnus

I've seen little doggie Harley jackets for sale at Petco. They're actually quite cool.

The chihuahua was a rescue, and it was suffering from kidney problems, so it tended to get cold easily. They got it sweaters, blankets, different stuff. The studded collar and the leather jacket, they explained, were to make it look tough so the cats wouldn't hassle it.

270 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:12:13am

re: #258 Killgore Trout

You can eat the tops too. Nice in stir fries and soups. A very useful plant.

We go to an asian market and get daikon sprouts. My wife makes a salad this those...tasty as well.

271 Cygnus  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:12:54am

BTW, I got a new kitty from the shelter last week to keep Mr. Bart company. She's half his size and is a real sweetie!

272 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:13:08am

re: #267 realwest

Aye, let's have a pint and talk about lassies!

Ah sure Laddie, tis a grand time we will have. Barkeep!

273 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:13:30am

re: #241 jcm

Cripes, it gets horny around here fast.

But the thread keeps moving forwarts.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:13:34am

re: #268 HoosierHoops

Winston has a Harley coat...But I found this real wicked red satin Chinese Kung Fu coat...He thinks he is a stud like Jackie Chan.

Does he have a boating outfit for floating on the pool?

275 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:13:39am

re: #262 opnion

Well I'm off to the Airport to rescue the funds for a Nigerian prince.
He told me that I could keep as much as I want & give him the rest.
The Royals really are different.
Oh wait, I have to mow the lawn, maybe next week.

Too late, I have already sent over my $2000 for "paperwork", I will be getting my $45 million any day now.

276 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:13:59am

re: #271 Cygnus

Congratulations! A new kitten is always fun for everybody.

277 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:14:10am

It's great to be fine!

278 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:14:20am

re: #242 Killgore Trout
Now hold on there Killgore - I updinged ya and gave you a positive review at my #181 - don't make me start in on you for liking Brussel Sprouts!
GAH!

279 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:14:53am

re: #265 sattv4u2

Not to mention Ron Paul and those summer tea parties!

I went to a garden party to reminisce with my old friends
A chance to share old memories and play our songs again

280 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:15:09am

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

Does he have a boating outfit for floating on the pool?

That sounds like it might have to do with a Pinafore.

281 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:15:10am

re: #271 Cygnus

BTW, I got a new kitty from the shelter last week to keep Mr. Bart company. She's half his size and is a real sweetie!

This is not one of our cats, but looks just like our kitten (he's 1 now).

Chillin'

282 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:15:23am

re: #270 Desert Dog

I also like them for how fast they grow. They mature in 8 weeks but you can always pull them early. The little ones are tasty.

283 Cygnus  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:15:24am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Congratulations! A new kitten is always fun for everybody.

She's 5, but is pretty small. Must have been the runt of the litter. She has the tiniest meow I've heard - they named her Squeaky at the shelter. Now her name is Lily.

284 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:15:29am

re: #275 Desert Dog

Too late, I have already sent over my $2000 for "paperwork", I will be getting my $45 million any day now.

Wait, I sent my $2,000. I'm sure that I'll get a refund?

285 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:16:38am

re: #278 realwest

Heh. They're good as long as you don't overcook them like most people do. They are kind of an acquired taste.

286 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:16:40am
Youtube Video
287 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:16:41am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

I also like them for how fast they grow. They mature in 8 weeks but you can always pull them early. The little ones are tasty.

Urp!
In #276 he was talkin' about kittens!

288 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:17:09am

re: #283 Cygnus

That's a fine name.

289 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:17:13am

re: #284 opnion

Wait, I sent my $2,000. I'm sure that I'll get a refund?

Yes! Your paperwork was lost, we need to be refunded before we can proceed!

290 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:17:38am

Hello everyone!

Driveby here-- sorry if this has been posted.

I have discovered what may be the best Obama conspiracy theory yet-- posted at TownHall originally, which keeps earning its nickname of ClownHall. It's been deleted, but wonkette has the goods...

Witchcraft in the White House!

The Obama White House is abuzz with talk of witchcraft by first grandmother, 72-year-old Marian Robinson, who lives in the White House residence. A close friend of Michelle Obama says the president is furious at his mother-in-law after learning that she was practicing Santeria, an African spirit cult, in the White House.

[...]

The president was “totally in favor” when his mother-in-law moved into the White House as a live-in babysitter for 11-year-old Malia and 8-year-old Sasha. Obama reportedly told Michelle that her mother will have to go back to Chicago if she does not “stop this witchcraft mumbo-jumbo immediately” and ordered the Secret Service to not allow Marian’s friend to return to the White House.

Hilarious wounded email from the author to Wonkette here. A sample:

Dear Wonkette editors, I posted a very serious article recently in Townhall.com about witchcraft in the White House, and later realized that your website had made a farce out of it. I saw that your staff and readers made a lot of extremely cruel comments about me and my story. Why are you people so rude? Does anybody take anything seriously anymore?

291 Cygnus  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:19:16am

BBIAW

292 bemused  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:19:25am

re: #51 wahabicorridor

Hmmm, That was a short run then. Had thought I had read the UK was pretty much set for petroleum.

293 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:19:28am

re: #268 HoosierHoops

Winston has a Harley coat...But I found this real wicked red satin Chinese Kung Fu coat...He thinks he is a stud like Jackie Chan.

Hi Hoops. Make it your avatar. I wanna see!

294 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:19:34am

re: #290 iceweasel

Lol @ ODS.

295 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:19:37am

Well y'all it's been fun today, but I've got to go now, hope you all have a great day and that I get to see you all down the road!

296 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:19:40am

More about precious, bodily fluids!

297 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:19:44am

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

Does he have a boating outfit for floating on the pool?

He has sunglasses...We were supposed to have the pool party today..
Guess we'll go for Sunday...No Sun out at all
How's everything in the City? You keeping an eye on it for me?

298 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:20:14am

What if your home... what if your family... what if your *dope* was on fire?

Impossible, sir. It's in Johnson's underwear.

299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:20:32am

Since when did Dick Cheney become Vice President of the UK?

300 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:21:03am

re: #290 iceweasel

I wouldn't mind Kim Novak practicing it in my apartment

301 tradewind  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:21:05am

This whole debacle must be such a shock to TOTUS, because, dammit! His people talked with Gaddaffi's people, and they promised!
Must have been just a rare screw up, that talking thing usually works so well with those Islamic leaders...

302 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:21:46am

re: #294 Killgore Trout

Lol @ ODS.

Oh yeah. Baracknophobia!

Lol also @ the butthurt email to wonkette, heh.

303 SteveC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:22:07am

re: #298 SasquatchOnSteroids

What if your home... what if your family... what if your *dope* was on fire?

Impossible, sir. It's in Johnson's underwear.

Reminds me of the line from Patton:

What are you doing?

Sleeping, sir!

Carry on; you seem to be the only son of a bitch in this place who *does* know what he is doing.

304 Lincolntf  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:22:24am

re: #290 iceweasel

Was she using a wee-weeja board in the WH??

305 shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:22:44am

re: #5 Sharmuta

Until we break the need for FOREIGN oil- we will continue to be hostages to thugs.

Disgusting, but reality.

FTFY

Drill here
Drill Now

306 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:23:09am

re: #304 Lincolntf

Was she using a wee-weeja board in the WH??

oui-oui

307 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:23:50am

re: #306 HoosierHoops

re: #304 Lincolntf

I love you guys. ;)

308 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:24:31am

re: #305 shug

Drill here
Drill Now

Indeed

309 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:24:54am

Shug- hope Mrs. Shug and Shug Jr2 are feeling well.

310 razorbacker  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:25:05am

re: #224 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A well-projected and energetic croak is the male frog's most important asset

Wait a second, I'm getting confused here.

Are we still talking about amphibians, or the type of fellow most likely to attract an Anna Nicole Smith?

311 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:25:47am

re: #307 iceweasel

re: #304 Lincolntf

I love you guys. ;)

If you really loved me you'd let me post the Topless pics of you in Spain..
//
Good morning Ice...Hope today finds you well

312 KipAllen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:25:58am

Where are all the "No Blood for Oil" protesters when you need them?

313 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:25:58am

How many people are in space right now?

314 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:26:07am

re: #290 iceweasel

Hello everyone!

Driveby here-- sorry if this has been posted.

I have discovered what may be the best Obama conspiracy theory yet-- posted at TownHall originally, which keeps earning its nickname of ClownHall. It's been deleted, but wonkette has the goods...

Witchcraft in the White House!

Are you impugning an indigenous religion? Santeria

I am not sure about the voodoo, but I love this video

Youtube Video
315 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:26:10am

re: #301 tradewind

If President wee wee (Pww™) wants to have a bit more influence and respect for his diplomacy he needs to eliminate the potty talk.

316 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:26:40am

re: #310 razorbacker

Wait a second, I'm getting confused here.

Are we still talking about amphibians, or the type of fellow most likely to attract an Anna Nicole Smith?

:D ... good play on words there!
UP-ding

317 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:27:29am

re: #315 Ojoe

If President wee wee (Pww™) wants to have a bit more influence and respect for his diplomacy he needs to eliminate the potty talk.

and stop will all the sh*t too

318 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:28:35am

re: #315 Ojoe

If President wee wee (Pww™) wants to have a bit more influence and respect for his diplomacy he needs to eliminate the potty talk.

Well, there's always the OTHER solution which could be pinned on him.

319 Shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:28:45am

re: #309 Sharmuta

Shug- hope Mrs. Shug and Shug Jr2 are feeling well.

Mrs Shug is feeling awful the last month.
but the end of the first trimester is just a few weeks away and she will rally.
Shug Jr is a little wrecking ball with feet. Loves going to the baseball games with us and loves the ladies.

320 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:28:45am

re: #315 Ojoe

If President wee wee (Pww™) wants to have a bit more influence and respect for his diplomacy he needs to eliminate the potty talk.

That's what happens when you receive bad political urinalysis.

321 Wendya  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:28:59am

re: #290 iceweasel

Hello everyone!

Driveby here-- sorry if this has been posted.

I have discovered what may be the best Obama conspiracy theory yet-- posted at TownHall originally, which keeps earning its nickname of ClownHall. It's been deleted, but wonkette has the goods...

Witchcraft in the White House!

I've seen mention of this on leftist sites. As a matter of fact, the left is "discussing" this far more than the right. Townhall dumped the blogger in question. Yes, I know it comes as a shock that there are things too far out in loony land to be accepted by townhall. I wish the same could be said for Huffpo.

322 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:29:00am

re: #311 HoosierHoops

If you really loved me you'd let me post the Topless pics of you in Spain..
//
Good morning Ice...Hope today finds you well

Hey Hoosier Honey. :) How are you?

//shucks, i don't want everyone seeing those...don't forget I've got the goods on you!

323 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:29:15am

re: #313 Racer X

How many people are in space right now?

Oh, you mean PHYSICALLY!

324 Shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:30:01am

Got all 3 seasons of Arrested Development on DVD.
Hoping to get through as much as possible today .

325 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:30:14am

re: #320 SasquatchOnSteroids

That's what happens when you receive bad political urinalysis.

He's pissing away our childrens' children future

326 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:30:50am

re: #325 Desert Dog

He's pissing away our childrens' children future

A Pun and the TRUTH. Big ding-dong.

327 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:30:50am

re: #323 jcm

Oh, you mean PHYSICALLY!

SHH!
Y' know if you type his nic, he'll appear!

328 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:30:57am

the next Republican platform should specifically state that we need to vastly increase the use of nuclear power in the USA to generate electricity. and national security should be tied to this plank so that everyone understands just how important the need for safe nuclear power really is.

329 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:30:57am

re: #324 Shug

Got all 3 seasons of Arrested Development on DVD.
Hoping to get through as much as possible today .

I'm so jealous!

/I've made a huge mistake.

330 The 1SG  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:31:40am

Ya, know it would be oooh sooo ironic if the bomber was somehow himself the victim of a bombing. Or perhaps an oil rig might fall on him. But such are the stuff fantasies are made of.

331 Shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:32:18am

re: #329 Sharmuta

I'm so jealous!

/I've made a huge mistake.

I've never seen it but everybody tells me how good it is.

the first 10 minutes are pretty good. think I'm gonna like it

332 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:32:45am

re: #314 Desert Dog

Are you impugning an indigenous religion? Santeria

I am not sure about the voodoo, but I love this video

Hey DD, how are you?

Awesome video! love it! Never saw that before, thanks for that!

More from the wounded email to wonkette:

Do you really, truly, seriously think it is OK for a president to use a forged birth certificate? Do you actually believe it is appropriate for a man who was raised a Muslim to pretend he is a Christian and go to a church for 20 years with an anti-American preacher? Do you really want a president who was brainwashed by communists since he was a child, up through university, to hate America to be our president? Do you think that it is fine if a family member of the president defiles the White House with voodoo? Don’t you know what fate could befall our nation as a result of allowing Satanic forces to gather over the White House?

After 8 years of a president sent by God to lead the American people and rescue us from the horrors of 911 and Islamo-fascists, it now boils down to this? How incredibly tragic. You folks don’t really seem to understand the extreme peril that our nation confronts. Stop making fun of me!

El. Oh. El.

333 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:32:57am

re: #325 Desert Dog

He's pissing away our childrens' children future

$9,000,000,000,000.

And that's just what they're admitting...

Is it too early to start drinking ?

334 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:33:22am

re: #328 _RememberTonyC

the next Republican platform should specifically state that we need to vastly increase the use of nuclear power in the USA to generate electricity. and national security should be tied to this plank so that everyone understands just how important the need for safe nuclear power really is.

well...wouldn't that be a surprise...way too far fetched until the nirth cert gets figured out

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:33:27am

re: #297 HoosierHoops

He has sunglasses...We were supposed to have the pool party today..
Guess we'll go for Sunday...No Sun out at all
How's everything in the City? You keeping an eye on it for me?

Gray and cloudy today, with a chance of good food...

336 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:33:42am

re: #331 Shug

I've never seen it but everybody tells me how good it is.

the first 10 minutes are pretty good. think I'm gonna like it

You'll have to let me know what you think later. It was a favorite of mine, and TV kind of died for me when they pulled the show. Would dearly love if the show could somehow come back still.

337 marwan's daughter  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:33:54am

re: #332 iceweasel

El. Oh. El.

LOL? More like WTF.

338 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:34:10am

re: #3 Ringo the Gringo

No blood for oil!

No justice for oil!

339 tradewind  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:34:11am

re: #330 The 1SG

Too late for that, IMO... now the punishment needs to be directed at the Scottish bureaucracy that let him go. Specifically, at its pocketbook.

340 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:34:23am

re: #332 iceweasel

El. Oh. El.

Things at the Dog House are quite well, Ice. Thanks for asking. I hope you are having a nice relaxing Saturday.

341 Lincolntf  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:34:28am

Brand spankin' new Scientific American just showed up in the mail. Actually looks like a decent one for a change. The issue is devoted to the "Origins of..." everything from money to computing to cancer.

342 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:34:33am

re: #332 iceweasel

El. Oh. El.

"Stop making fun of me!" Hilarious!

343 The 1SG  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:34:52am

re: #333 SasquatchOnSteroids

Gin and tonic? Its never too early.

344 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:35:07am

No pee for oil


BBL

345 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:35:27am

bbl

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:35:38am

re: #304 Lincolntf

Was she using a wee-weeja board in the WH??

There's nothing in the Constitution that says that a Cylon can't be president, and I'm quite sure there's nothing that says that the First Lady's mother can't practice santeria in the White House.

That said, I have to say that attacks on Mrs. Robinson annoy me. She did not decide to go into politics, and she is in DC only to take care of her granddaughters. Seems to me she should be off limits.

347 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:37:22am

re: #334 albusteve

well...wouldn't that be a surprise...way too far fetched until the nirth cert gets figured out

no shit ... at some point the adults have to tell these mutants to shut the fuck up about the birth certificate.

348 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:37:26am

My squirrel can kick your squirrel's ass!

349 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:38:15am

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

There's nothing in the Constitution that says that a Cylon can't be president, and I'm quite sure there's nothing that says that the First Lady's mother can't practice santeria in the White House.

That said, I have to say that attacks on Mrs. Robinson annoy me. She did not decide to go into politics, and she is in DC only to take care of her granddaughters. Seems to me she should be off limits.

It's ridiculous. Kinda reminiscent of the Obama witch doctor thing.

350 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:38:18am

re: #328 _RememberTonyC

the next Republican platform should specifically state that we need to vastly increase the use of nuclear power in the USA to generate electricity. and national security should be tied to this plank so that everyone understands just how important the need for safe nuclear power really is.

I was a Nuke for the DOD for 20 years...The civilian Nuclear workforce in America is not very good...We laughed at the zoomies they took and the safety precautions they had issues with...
If the Navy ran the nuclear plants I'd be all for it...Every state should have a couple of Reactors...But the civilian workforce is not ready for it yet...
Hell...I'd hire the french any day to run them...We need to face this issue in America..You just don't build megawatt Nuclear reactors and hire people off the street..( like laided off GM workers) Working in a Nuclear environment is serious shit...It takes serious training...

351 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:38:34am

re: #332 iceweasel

El. Oh. El.

Some odd is going on at the WH.

$9 Trillion deficits appearing out of thin air.

352 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:39:28am

re: #348 Racer X

My squirrel can kick your squirrel's ass!

SELF REMINDER

Time for my annual eye exam

(I SWEAR I read "LICK" in that sentence!)

353 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:39:41am

re: #321 Wendya

I've seen mention of this on leftist sites. As a matter of fact, the left is "discussing" this far more than the right. Townhall dumped the blogger in question. Yes, I know it comes as a shock that there are things too far out in loony land to be accepted by townhall. I wish the same could be said for Huffpo.

Don't hold your breath, Wendy.

354 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:40:05am

Colonel Bat Guano to the rescue!

355 tradewind  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:40:14am

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

and she is in DC only to take care of her granddaughters.


I agree with you that she ought'a be left alone, but I think she's in DC because Mama told Michelle she wanted new digs. There were plenty of child care options in the WH.
And I don't think the taxpayers should support her there... after all, one auntie illegally freeloading in Boston should be enough.

356 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #321 Wendya

I've seen mention of this on leftist sites. As a matter of fact, the left is "discussing" this far more than the right. Townhall dumped the blogger in question. Yes, I know it comes as a shock that there are things too far out in loony land to be accepted by townhall. I wish the same could be said for Huffpo.

We're discussing it because it's hilarious!

BTW, I promise to bring over anything at HuffPo that's equally snark-worthy. I'm a snarkatarian-- I believe in mocking both the left and the right frequently and often!

357 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:40:41am

re: #347 _RememberTonyC

no shit ... at some point the adults have to tell these mutants to shut the fuck up about the birth certificate.

the problem is they very well might just stupidly drool on to the next crazy fad...there might be a genetic factor involved

358 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:41:06am

re: #350 HoosierHoops

I was a Nuke for the DOD for 20 years...The civilian Nuclear workforce in America is not very good...We laughed at the zoomies they took and the safety precautions they had issues with...
If the Navy ran the nuclear plants I'd be all for it...Every state should have a couple of Reactors...But the civilian workforce is not ready for it yet...
Hell...I'd hire the french any day to run them...We need to face this issue in America..You just don't build megawatt Nuclear reactors and hire people off the street..( like laided off GM workers) Working in a Nuclear environment is serious shit...It takes serious training...

Hoosier ... You certainly know this issue well. But considering the large number of quality individuals, especially men and women finishing up their stints in the military, it seems like there should be plenty of good candidates to work in the industry. And considering how succesful the French have been in the nuke industry, i have no problem using their expertise to help us advance our civilian nuke energy industry.

359 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:41:50am

re: #348 Racer X

My squirrel can kick your squirrel's ass!

Oh ya? You haven't met my squirrel yet.

360 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:42:04am

re: #351 jcm

Some odd is going on at the WH.

$9 Trillion deficits appearing out of thin air.

Good Paul Krugman editorial in the NYT two (?) days ago about progressive backlash and anger at Obama. I posted it in the spinoffs on the overnight.

361 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:42:07am

re: #355 tradewind

I agree with you that she ought'a be left alone, but I think she's in DC because Mama told Michelle she wanted new digs. There were plenty of child care options in the WH.And I don't think the taxpayers should support her there... after all, one auntie illegally freeloading in Boston should be enough.

What are the child care options?

362 yesandno  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:42:28am

re: #31 Pupdawg

According to our President's actions, liberty appears to be not only free, but unworthy, geriatric and ripe for the trash heap.

Have to bring up those death panels again...

/geriatric "care"

363 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:42:30am

Deviated prevert!

364 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:43:41am

re: #357 albusteve

the problem is they very well might just stupidly drool on to the next crazy fad...there might be a genetic factor involved


is it really that bleak?

365 Shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:43:51am

re: #363 MandyManners

Deviated prevert!


oh Archie

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:45:27am

Regarding Santaria? At least she is not conferring with a psychic.

367 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:45:47am

Considering that the POTUS asked a bunch of clergy to help him sell obamacare to the masses from their pulpits, I'd be interested if any Lizards who attend church or synagogue this weekend report back on any such activity on the part of their preists, rabbis, or preachers.

368 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:45:49am

You're gonna' hafta' answer to the Coca Cola company.

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:45:53am

re: #355 tradewind

I agree with you that she ought'a be left alone, but I think she's in DC because Mama told Michelle she wanted new digs. There were plenty of child care options in the WH.
And I don't think the taxpayers should support her there... after all, one auntie illegally freeloading in Boston should be enough.

I really don't care what the family discussions were--that's not my business--and in Michelle's shoes, I would much rather have my mother than a nanny looking after my kids.

As for the paying for her bit, I'll leave that up to the White House people and their attorneys. It's really low down on my current list of concerns.

It just seems to me that people are getting desperate and crazy when they try to get at a man by attacking his mother-in-law. And all the complaints about Mrs. Robinson I've seen have had a not-so-subtle racial overlay to them.

370 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:46:05am

re: #355 tradewind

I agree with you that she ought'a be left alone, but I think she's in DC because Mama told Michelle she wanted new digs. There were plenty of child care options in the WH.

Oh c'mon. What evidence do you have to believe that she 'told Michelle she wanted new digs'?

And wouldn't anyone rather have their grandmother taking care of kids rather than a stranger, non-family member, someone doing it only because they're paid to?
That sounds to me like an excellent example of the 'family values' I hear republicans like so much.

371 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:46:27am

re: #368 MandyManners

You're gonna' hafta' answer to the Coca Cola company.

HA!!

372 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:47:39am

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Right, exactly, you said it far better than I.

BTW, totally agree with you about the attacks on Mrs. Robinson.

373 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:47:54am

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

I really don't care what the family discussions were--that's not my business--and in Michelle's shoes, I would much rather have my mother than a nanny looking after my kids.

As for the paying for her bit, I'll leave that up to the White House people and their attorneys. It's really low down on my current list of concerns.

It just seems to me that people are getting desperate and crazy when they try to get at a man by attacking his mother-in-law. And all the complaints about Mrs. Robinson I've seen have had a not-so-subtle racial overlay to them.

There used to be some manners and decorum when it came to the "First Family". Now, it seems our society is so boorish and obsessed with "famous people", it has spread over to the White House.

374 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:48:30am

re: #358 _RememberTonyC

Hoosier ... You certainly know this issue well. But considering the large number of quality individuals, especially men and women finishing up their stints in the military, it seems like there should be plenty of good candidates to work in the industry. And considering how succesful the French have been in the nuke industry, i have no problem using their expertise to help us advance our civilian nuke energy industry.

We have a lot of highly trained Naval personal that could run a Reactor..
I remember when I first started school after College...a teacher walked in with a huge book of NRC regs ( Nuclear regulatory Commission)
He dropped the book on the desk and declared that these are the nuclear Safety rules for the United States...
Gentlemen and Ladies...We don't follow these rules..They have no power over the Navy...The day they come up to our standards we might consider it. The Navy doesn't fuck around..They know Nuclear.
Hi Tony!

375 Lincolntf  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:48:31am

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

Like so many other stories, it would be utterly ignored or dismissed as absurd (and forgotten in minutes) if not for the fact that people will post/write thousands of blog-posts/articles etc. proclaiming how dumb the initial story is. Thus guaranteeing the foolish story a far wider reach than it could have ever achieved without all of it's "critics" disseminating it.

376 tradewind  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:48:35am

re: #361 MandyManners
I don't know... her pick of the most qualified nannies in America? Probably there are more than a few professionals with degrees in childhood psych and elementary education with a side of Secret Service training who would love to have that gig for four to eight years.
It's not something I'm all wee-wee'd up about, though. It's just that I think they should pay any expenses. Reports have her partying pretty heavily and attending every opening in DC.

377 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:48:50am

re: #370 iceweasel

Oh c'mon. What evidence do you have to believe that she 'told Michelle she wanted new digs'?

And wouldn't anyone rather have their grandmother taking care of kids rather than a stranger, non-family member, someone doing it only because they're paid to?
That sounds to me like an excellent example of the 'family values' I hear republicans like so much.

I have no issue with this. The Obama girls were in the care of their grandmother a lot during the campaign, and it's best for children to have stability. That she's there to provide the girls with some of that is great, imo.

378 Bobblehead  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:49:04am

Gals..Need a new pair of jeans? Try these:

Youtube Video
379 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:49:41am

Have a great weekend everyone. Mine begins in 10 minutes. Yeah!

380 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:49:43am

re: #375 Lincolntf

Like so many other stories, it would be utterly ignored or dismissed as absurd (and forgotten in minutes) if not for the fact that people will post/write thousands of blog-posts/articles etc. proclaiming how dumb the initial story is. Thus guaranteeing the foolish story a far wider reach than it could have ever achieved without all of it's "critics" disseminating it.

Damn skippy!

381 yesandno  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:49:52am

re: #355 tradewind

I agree with you that she ought'a be left alone, but I think she's in DC because Mama told Michelle she wanted new digs. There were plenty of child care options in the WH.
And I don't think the taxpayers should support her there... after all, one auntie illegally freeloading in Boston should be enough.

Mountain and molehill territory here. She is part of the family. She had been living with the children while Dad and Mom took over a year to campaign. Nothing new here.


/Could have been worse...Billy Carter may have taken up residence.

382 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:50:19am

re: #364 _RememberTonyC

is it really that bleak?

it seems like a virus spreading out across Republicans...these people are pouring out of the woodwork...the time is ripe for all these people to get their face time and the MSM and associated pundits are giving it to them...how soon before the GOP is mostly a collection of fringe groups all with their own agenda...I wonder...there may be the numbers to take the House back and even defeat BO in 2012, but then what do we have?...fiscal, small govt conservatism is fading away under an avalanche of lunacy...the GOP does not speak for me, not that it ever did

383 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:50:41am

re: #376 tradewind

I don't know... her pick of the most qualified nannies in America? Probably there are more than a few professionals with degrees in childhood psych and elementary education with a side of Secret Service training who would love to have that gig for four to eight years. It's not something I'm all wee-wee'd up about, though. It's just that I think they should pay any expenses. Reports have her partying pretty heavily and attending every opening in DC.

Oh, for pity's sake. That would be better than their own grandmother?!

Since when does education beat the love of a grandmother?

384 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:50:43am

re: #376 tradewind

I don't know... her pick of the most qualified nannies in America? Probably there are more than a few professionals with degrees in childhood psych and elementary education with a side of Secret Service training who would love to have that gig for four to eight years.
It's not something I'm all wee-wee'd up about, though. It's just that I think they should pay any expenses. Reports have her partying pretty heavily and attending every opening in DC.

I'd rather have my mom than a nanny, no matter how qualified. Just sayin'.

385 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:51:42am
386 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:51:48am

I can't believe I'm defending WAB.

387 tradewind  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:51:53am

re: #370 iceweasel

re: #377 Sharmuta

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Fine, fine, whatever. Leave granny be in the WH. If she's actually doing a lot of hands on care of the girls, especially, although somehow I doubt that. Maybe I have just read too many WaPo columns.

388 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:52:06am

I'm not worried about Grandma.
I'm worried that her Son-in-law thinks he just hit MegaTrillions and has decided to blow it all. It's like a nightmare spinoff of Brewster's Millions.

389 jamgarr  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:52:09am

Purity of Essence

390 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:52:23am

re: #377 Sharmuta

I have no issue with this. The Obama girls were in the care of their grandmother a lot during the campaign, and it's best for children to have stability. That she's there to provide the girls with some of that is great, imo.

it's family business...case closed

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:52:26am

re: #386 MandyManners

I can't believe I'm defending WAB.

Shows you're thinking rationally, and not just knee-jerk attacking everything the Obamas do.

392 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:52:58am

re: #387 tradewind

re: #377 Sharmuta

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Fine, fine, whatever. Leave granny be in the WH. If she's actually doing a lot of hands on care of the girls, especially, although somehow I doubt that. Maybe I have just read too many WaPo columns.

Any proof for that assertion?

393 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:53:04am

Are we seriously going to be petty about two girls having their Grandma?

394 mfarmer1  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:53:06am

How long before we hear that Libyan doctors, well renowned for their cutting edge advancements in the medical arts, cannot find any trace of his cancer after receiving treatment there?

Expect to see this guy, sans cane, on the Libyan version of Dancing with the Stars soon.

Conspiracy nonsense aside, this episode was disgusting enough before this angle on the release was tossed into the mix.

395 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:53:42am

re: #377 Sharmuta

I have no issue with this. The Obama girls were in the care of their grandmother a lot during the campaign, and it's best for children to have stability. That she's there to provide the girls with some of that is great, imo.

Totally agree. And let's face it-- if things were different some of the same people complaining about her being there would say "Isn't it horrible how Obama carelessly dumped his mother-in-law, all alone in Chicago, after using her for free child care during the campaign? And why are the taxpayers paying for nannies?"

Serious Obama-hate, in my opinion. Also, I'm very serious when I say it seems like just the sort of family values that Republicans normally say they're all about.

Criticising this isn't just scraping the bottom of the barrel-- it's lifting the barrel up and digging beneath it.

396 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:53:52am

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

Shows you're thinking rationally, and not just knee-jerk attacking everything the Obamas do.

There is plenty of real crap to get pissed off about.

397 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:53:52am

re: #393 Sharmuta

Are we seriously going to be petty about two girls having their Grandma?

Grannies iz socialism!

398 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:54:27am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Grannies iz socialism!

Granny is a COMMIE!

399 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:55:25am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Grannies iz socialism!

You know who else lives in extended family groups with elders? CHINA!

400 Shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:55:29am

Disagree about The POTUS's positions.
Even his wife's positions ( though she has no power )
but they look like good parents to me. and even if they aren't it's none of my business.

I have more than enough to complain about his policies to care how he raises his family. We should look for other things to worry about

401 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:56:17am

re: #382 albusteve

it seems like a virus spreading out across Republicans...these people are pouring out of the woodwork...the time is ripe for all these people to get their face time and the MSM and associated pundits are giving it to them...how soon before the GOP is mostly a collection of fringe groups all with their own agenda...I wonder...there may be the numbers to take the House back and even defeat BO in 2012, but then what do we have?...fiscal, small govt conservatism is fading away under an avalanche of lunacy...the GOP does not speak for me, not that it ever did

Agreed ... no party "speaks for me" either. But under the current system, no third party really has a shot in a Presidential election. So we hold our noses and choose the least objectionable alternative. I like moderate Republican types such as Romney and Giuliani: two men who did exrtemely well in the bluest of states. There are some moderate Dems that I am also fine with, but nobody of the stature of Mitt and Rudy. I really think that if Mitt and Rudy were the 2012 ticket, they could do really well against Obama and Biden.

402 Tats66  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:56:33am

Can we all agree that as much as some of us despise the big O, its for reasons other than whether or not he uses his mother in law for child care? ...and move on?? Nanny-Gate is almost as bad as the birth certificate issue.

403 jamgarr  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:56:43am

Open the bomb bay door Slim!

404 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:56:53am

re: #386 MandyManners

I can't believe I'm defending WAB.

*whack*

405 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:57:06am

re: #399 iceweasel

You know who else lives in extended family groups with elders? CHINA!

Oh Noes! China? Must be the end of times...

406 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:57:12am

re: #398 albusteve

Granny is a COMMIE!

Grannie is Voodoo Chile

407 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:57:24am

My granny had a wooden paddle with every grand kids name on it. Thug dictator, she was.

408 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:57:37am

re: #405 HoosierHoops

Beware the encroaching Granny State!

409 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:57:41am

re: #402 Tats66

Can we all agree that as much as some of us despise the big O, its for reasons other than whether or not he uses his mother in law for child care? ...and move on?? Nanny-Gate is almost as bad as the birth certificate issue.

It's stupid and pointless.
Now, back to that 9-freakin trillion.

410 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:58:07am

re: #396 MandyManners

There is plenty of real crap to get pissed off about.

Absolutely.

NINE Trillion Dollars.

411 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:58:43am

The Obama girls seem well cared for and well behaved. We might disagree with their parents on politics, but seems they're doing pretty good by those girls.

412 Gearhead  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:59:26am

What did the Kennedys do for childcare? Just curious if there is some precedent.

I agree with Mandy, though - we have more important issues to get justifiably pissed about.

413 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:59:51am

Yahooo!

414 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:59:55am

Leave Granny alone ... we should all say "Here's to you, Mrs Robinson."

Youtube Video
415 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:00:18am

re: #412 Gearhead

What did the Kennedys do for childcare? Just curious if there is some precedent.

I agree with Mandy, though - we have more important issues to get justifiably pissed about.

I believe Marilyn Monroe watched them...oh wait, that was John Sr.

416 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:00:20am

re: #370 iceweasel

Cash For Grannies!

//

417 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:02:00am

re: #401 _RememberTonyC

Agreed ... no party "speaks for me" either. But under the current system, no third party really has a shot in a Presidential election. So we hold our noses and choose the least objectionable alternative. I like moderate Republican types such as Romney and Giuliani: two men who did exrtemely well in the bluest of states. There are some moderate Dems that I am also fine with, but nobody of the stature of Mitt and Rudy. I really think that if Mitt and Rudy were the 2012 ticket, they could do really well against Obama and Biden.

Rudy would make a fine POTUS no question...he's fair and honest imo...there is way too much baggage with elected officials...too much dirt...too much money involved...too many varying interests to accommodate...the best and brightest just won't do it and I don't blame them...politics is a black hole and an AmIdol spinoff...that's why we end up with ringers like BO

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:02:13am

re: #412 Gearhead

What did the Kennedys do for childcare? Just curious if there is some precedent.

I agree with Mandy, though - we have more important issues to get justifiably pissed about.

I believe the Kennedys had a nanny. That was very much their background, and the style of the times.

419 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:02:32am

If this story is true I take back everything I said the other day.

420 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:02:33am

re: #406 Desert Dog

Grannie is Voodoo Chile

I'm good with that bro...

421 tradewind  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:02:42am

re: #392 MandyManners

Not enough time. Hell's Bell's, I was only saying that I don't think the only reason she is there is to take care of the kids. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Google it, there has been plenty of talk about her hitting every premiere and fussing about seating arrangements, etc... getting miffed when she feels she has been given less than star treatment. And I don't begrudge her groceries.
Who cares? It's not a huge thing. The Obamas appear to be good parents.
My grandmother lived with us while I was growing up, even though my Mom did not work, and my mother never had to look for a babysitter, so I get it! Enough.

422 Tats66  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:02:48am

any indication Rudy will run again?

423 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:03:03am

re: #321 Wendya

Did you get the incoming?

424 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:03:14am

re: #419 Cato the Elder

If this story is true I take back everything I said the other day.

Good afternoon Cato..Hope today finds you well and Healthy...

425 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:03:20am

All of this shiny shit that's being barked about is really wee-weeing me off.

The meat is the money.

STOP EFFIN' SPENDING MY GRANDKIDS' MONEY !

426 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:03:37am

re: #408 Killgore Trout

Beware the encroaching Granny State!

good one...heh

427 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:03:37am

re: #419 Cato the Elder

If this story is true I take back everything I said the other day.

Which story, the thread topic?

428 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:04:28am

re: #419 Cato the Elder

If this story is true I take back everything I said the other day.

Short on time, so to save me from going and reading everything you said the other day, could you give a Cliff Notes Version!?

429 Tats66  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:04:40am

Im happy to find a candidate that I can agree with most things on...dosnt have to be every single issue. I think that people lookin for that one candidate that is 100% spot on every single issue is killin us!!

430 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:05:31am

re: #429 Tats66

Im happy to find a candidate that I can agree with most things on...dosnt have to be every single issue. I think that people lookin for that one candidate that is 100% spot on every single issue is killin us!!


right ... as someone said on a thread yesterday "if you want purity, take up chemistry."

431 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:05:39am

Have fun y'all. The overseer here at the Salt Mines has crack the whip. Time to start on the never ending, always expanding and dreaded HoneyDo List.

432 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:05:49am

Mein Fuhrer! I can walk!

Youtube Video
433 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:06:07am

re: #422 Tats66

any indication Rudy will run again?

I doubt it. He was pretty soundly rejected by the GOP last time. His appeal was to the Neo-cons and they're been pretty much purged out of the Republican party in favor of the social conservatives and libertarians. The party is leaning libertarian for now so candidates like Bachmann, Palin and even Ron Paul have more appeal to conservatives than Rudy.

I think Rudy would get trounced if he decided to run.

434 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:06:48am

Orcs do it best

You go girl.

435 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:06:50am

re: #421 tradewind

Not enough time. Hell's Bell's, I was only saying that I don't think the only reason she is there is to take care of the kids. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Google it, there has been plenty of talk about her hitting every premiere and fussing about seating arrangements, etc... getting miffed when she feels she has been given less than star treatment. And I don't begrudge her groceries.
Who cares? It's not a huge thing. The Obamas appear to be good parents.
My grandmother lived with us while I was growing up, even though my Mom did not work, and my mother never had to look for a babysitter, so I get it! Enough.

Sounds like a special snowflake!

436 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:07:09am

re: #422 Tats66

any indication Rudy will run again?


nope ... but I see him as Mitt's VP. Mitt can take the high road and Rudy can supply the verbal ammo. As a New Yorker, he could be really strong in that role.

437 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:07:25am

re: #422 Tats66

any indication Rudy will run again?

DON'T GET ME WORKED UP.

438 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:07:54am

re: #428 sattv4u2

Short on time, so to save me from going and reading everything you said the other day, could you give a Cliff Notes Version!?

You mean you don't wait with baited breath on every word type out? You don't take notes for later reference?

439 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:07:54am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

I doubt it. He was pretty soundly rejected by the GOP last time. His appeal was to the Neo-cons and they're been pretty much purged out of the Republican party in favor of the social conservatives and libertarians. The party is leaning libertarian for now so candidates like Bachmann, Palin and even Ron Paul have more appeal to conservatives than Rudy.

I think Rudy would get trounced if he decided to run.

LOL.

440 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:08:46am

re: #437 MandyManners

DON'T GET ME WORKED UP.

You mean disappointed?

441 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:09:13am

re: #436 _RememberTonyC

nope ... but I see him as Mitt's VP. Mitt can take the high road and Rudy can supply the verbal ammo. As a New Yorker, he could be really strong in that role.

Rudy is a big dog...no VP for him...he didn't even run, just sort of dicked around for a few weeks, got clobbered in FL and gave up...I don't think he wants to campaign...can you blame him?

442 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:09:25am

re: #14 yma o hyd

Why so surprised?

See this denial by the UK 'business' secretary:

Lord Mandelson steps in over Lockerbie

From that link:
'Saif al-Islam, has claimed that negotiations over al-Megrahi’s release had always been tied up with the oil and gas business. However Mandelson, who has met with Saif al-Islam twice this year, said: “It’s not only completely wrong to make such a suggestion it’s also quite offensive.'

Heh.
Mandelson, the dark soul of NuLab, met gadaffi's son this summer, during holidays, on a yacht belonging to Lord Rothschild - who also was present.

Yeah - and I believe in the tooth fairie!

The headline should read, "Lord Mandelson steps on it over Lockerbie"

/his thing

443 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:09:33am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

I doubt it. He was pretty soundly rejected by the GOP last time. His appeal was to the Neo-cons and they're been pretty much purged out of the Republican party in favor of the social conservatives and libertarians. The party is leaning libertarian for now so candidates like Bachmann, Palin and even Ron Paul have more appeal to conservatives than Rudy.

I think Rudy would get trounced if he decided to run.

I will bet you a bushel of diakons that Bachmann, Palin or Ron Paul will not get any place near the nomination in 2011 for the Republicans. Out of those three only Palin would have a shot and there is no way she will get it. Keep on thinking the Republicans are dead in the water. It'll make our come back victory that much sweeter.

444 Tats66  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:10:01am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

I doubt it. He was pretty soundly rejected by the GOP last time. His appeal was to the Neo-cons and they're been pretty much purged out of the Republican party in favor of the social conservatives and libertarians. The party is leaning libertarian for now so candidates like Bachmann, Palin and even Ron Paul have more appeal to conservatives than Rudy.

I think Rudy would get trounced if he decided to run.

Unfortunately I think your spot on about the Libertarian leanings...I know Im at wit's end when I wld even be happy with Bill Clinton as my president right now

445 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:10:10am

re: #440 Walter L. Newton

You mean disappointed?

*sob*

446 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:10:39am

re: #424 HoosierHoops

Good afternoon Cato..Hope today finds you well and Healthy...

Hey, Hoops - yes, which is better than in hell and wealthy...re: #427 Walter L. Newton

Which story, the thread topic?

Yep.re: #428 sattv4u2

Short on time, so to save me from going and reading everything you said the other day, could you give a Cliff Notes Version!?

I accepted the "compassion" rationale and defended it. If the object was to get contracts, there should be some Lords and Lairds in prison because of this.

447 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:11:07am

re: #445 MandyManners

*sob*

me too...Rudy is a piece o work...a real tough guy and I love him to pieces

448 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:11:09am

re: #437 MandyManners

DON'T GET ME WORKED UP.

LOL
I had the privilege of meeting Rudy 3 years ago at a event in Indy..
Very Charming man...I really like him...Down to earth, smart...Good guy

449 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:11:43am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

I doubt it. He was pretty soundly rejected by the GOP last time. His appeal was to the Neo-cons and they're been pretty much purged out of the Republican party in favor of the social conservatives and libertarians. The party is leaning libertarian for now so candidates like Bachmann, Palin and even Ron Paul have more appeal to conservatives than Rudy.

I think Rudy would get trounced if he decided to run.

I know for a fact that some on the left are DYING for him to run.

Lot of dirt on Rudy. It's no secret, anyone can find it-- but the left was holding back on it being widely publicised, waiting for him to win a nomination.

Anyway I agree with you-- Rudy has a lot of disadvantages as a candidate right now.

450 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:11:45am

re: #441 albusteve

Rudy is a big dog...no VP for him...he didn't even run, just sort of dicked around for a few weeks, got clobbered in FL and gave up...I don't think he wants to campaign...can you blame him?

VP is a pretty important gig ... and if he and Mitt are on the same page, Rudy can campaign after the convention and carve out a "Cheney like" role for himself. If your choices in 2012 were Obama/Biden or Romney/Rudy, would you agonize over your voting decision?

451 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:12:01am

re: #446 Cato the Elder

I accepted the "compassion" rationale and defended it. If the object was to get contracts, there should be some Lords and Lairds in prison because of this.

Sure, just like all our crooked politicians are languishing in prison. Get a grip.

452 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:13:08am

re: #376 tradewind

I don't know... her pick of the most qualified nannies in America? Probably there are more than a few professionals with degrees in childhood psych and elementary education with a side of Secret Service training who would love to have that gig for four to eight years.
It's not something I'm all wee-wee'd up about, though. It's just that I think they should pay any expenses. Reports have her partying pretty heavily and attending every opening in DC.

"Children? What children? Let's par-TAY!"

/the wab

453 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:13:35am

re: #449 iceweasel

I know for a fact that some on the left are DYING for him to run.

Lot of dirt on Rudy. It's no secret, anyone can find it-- but the left was holding back on it being widely publicised, waiting for him to win a nomination.

Anyway I agree with you-- Rudy has a lot of disadvantages as a candidate right now.

yup...dirt is where it's at for some people...if there is dirt on Rudy, then BO is drowning in mud...hahaha!...my gramma used to say, a little dirt don't hurt

454 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:14:02am

re: #449 iceweasel

Any links yet for me on the operative that are finance and organizing all the protest for the conservatives at the progressive town hall rallies?. We talked about links last Tuesday and you said you had access to information that would prove this.

455 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:14:12am

re: #450 _RememberTonyC

VP is a pretty important gig ... and if he and Mitt are on the same page, Rudy can campaign after the convention and carve out a "Cheney like" role for himself. If your choices in 2012 were Obama/Biden or Romney/Rudy, would you agonize over your voting decision?

no...slam dunk

456 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:15:06am

re: #449 iceweasel

I liked the guy and his policies but he has way too many ex-wives, affairs, shady friends, etc. He's probably unelectable.

457 Tats66  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:15:13am

re: #449 iceweasel

I know for a fact that some on the left are DYING for him to run.

Lot of dirt on Rudy. It's no secret, anyone can find it-- but the left was holding back on it being widely publicised, waiting for him to win a nomination.

Anyway I agree with you-- Rudy has a lot of disadvantages as a candidate right now.

maybe after 4 yrs of the big O, any dirt on Rudy will look like gold

458 freetoken  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:15:44am

re: #456 Killgore Trout

Not to mention his choice of... umm...er ... play clothes.

459 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:15:55am

Moonbats don't have to prove anything, because everybody knows it's true!

/yeah right

460 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:16:04am

re: #455 albusteve

no...slam dunk

agree. and the majority of the 60% of Americans "in the middle" would probably agree with us as well.

461 Wendya  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:17:26am

re: #356 iceweasel

We're discussing it because it's hilarious!

It's so over the top, it's sad and pathetic. Seriously, with all the valid criticism that could be discussed, they latch on to his mother in-law?

462 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:17:32am

Why public health care is wrong.

Wrong

Even more wrong

Why should I pay for these people's health care? Clearly their decision making is lacking and they should pay the consequences.

I can only imagine the procedures needed to fix that dudes ability to breath out of his nose later in life.

463 swamprat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:17:42am

And now we have MODS.

464 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:18:22am

re: #460 _RememberTonyC

agree. and the majority of the 60% of Americans "in the middle" would probably agree with us as well.

there millions of conservative minded people that don't vote...they are the key to the next cycle, and I think they are waking up...a disaster looms for the donks if they get off their ass and vote

465 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:19:27am

re: #456 Killgore Trout

I liked the guy and his policies but he has way too many ex-wives, affairs, shady friends, etc. He's probably unelectable.

I agree...He is a great guy...BUT I have a better chance being POTUS than him..
He gives a really good talk..Everyone was inspired...
/The only reason I was there was because Peyton Manning also gave a talk
at the same event.

466 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:19:46am

re: #462 Racer X

Why public health care is wrong.

Wrong

Even more wrong

Why should I pay for these people's health care? Clearly their decision making is lacking and they should pay the consequences.

I can only imagine the procedures needed to fix that dudes ability to breath out of his nose later in life.

"A job?!? Jobs are for losers!"

467 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #461 Wendya

It's so over the top, it's sad and pathetic. Seriously, with all the valid criticism that could be discussed, they latch on to his mother in-law?

Is Obama's mother in law a citizen? Where was she born? Do we have her birth certificate? Is she really a woman?
/

468 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:21:00am
469 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:21:59am

re: #457 Tats66

maybe after 4 yrs of the big O, any dirt on Rudy will look like gold

Rudy's wives are more important than the BO/Axelrod/PhARM (non) scandle...and after all Pelosis House is full of tax and corruption felons, not to mentiom the Executive...and Rudy is unelectable...what a sad commentary on American politics...

470 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:22:15am

re: #468 MikeySDCA

Maybe she's a space alien.
/

Did you answer my question from last night? My child-unit here was playing with my computer and shut me down.

471 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:22:38am

re: #462 Racer X

Why public health care is wrong.

Wrong

Even more wrong

Why should I pay for these people's health care? Clearly their decision making is lacking and they should pay the consequences.

I can only imagine the procedures needed to fix that dudes ability to breath out of his nose later in life.

Well, when your options are limited to saying "would you like that Supersized?", you really don't need to breathe like that.

472 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:22:40am

Hey! You can't park your boat here!

473 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:23:21am
474 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:24:05am

re: #454 Walter L. Newton

Any links yet for me on the operative that are finance and organizing all the protest for the conservatives at the progressive town hall rallies?. We talked about links last Tuesday and you said you had access to information that would prove this.

Yes, Walter. I provided a few then (two, that is). I wanted to put something comprehensive together for you, but I've been pretty busy with some real world stuff. As I mentioned just yesterday, again.

Here's some more fast stuff: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks are behind a lot of it. Who are they? The same whackos who ran the teaparties:

Guess who founded Conservatives for Patients' Rights? Rick Scott:

Sanchez pointed out that Hospital Corporation of America/Columbia Hospital Corporation, which Scott founded, was charged with defrauding the government for more than a decade and had to pay the government a record $1.7 billion. “Some would argue, and it would be hard to say they’re wrong,” said Sanchez, “that you would be the poster child for everything that’s wrong with the greed that has hurt our current health care system.” Scott responded by pointing out that other companies also had to pay fines, which Sanchez responded was exactly the reason health care reform was so necessary:

How much more wrong can you be than what you just said? Not only is your company screwed up — and you just admitted to it — and you’re saying, look at all the other companies, they did the same thing! That doesn’t sound to me like a sterling system that we have, does it?

Scott became so desperate to defend himself that he tried to say the fines were paid after he left the company (even though the charges were from while he was there) and insisted, “No one went to jail.” Watch it:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Let's be clear: I expect Republicans to mobilise their troops when necessary, just like I do Dems. That's politics. My issue is when there are special interests involved, especially corporate interests-- and that's what's happening.

Again, sorry for not getting back to you sooner, or even now with more detail--I'd love to discuss this with you but I've been busy. Suddenly a lot going on here personally and professionally-- if you know what I mean, and I think you do. ;)

475 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:24:34am

re: #473 MikeySDCA

Care to ask it again?

Your avatar, the gold stater, Athena, Babylon mint. Just curious, do you collect ancients? I do. I was just interested if we had another collector of ancients on LGF?

476 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:25:09am
477 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:26:57am

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

Did you answer my question from last night? My child-unit here was playing with my computer and shut me down.

Well how the hell is it living in the mountains these days looking down on mankind?
Are you happy in the new digs?

478 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:27:20am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

I doubt it. He was pretty soundly rejected by the GOP last time. His appeal was to the Neo-cons and they're been pretty much purged out of the Republican party in favor of the social conservatives and libertarians. The party is leaning libertarian for now so candidates like Bachmann, Palin and even Ron Paul have more appeal to conservatives than Rudy.

I think Rudy would get trounced if he decided to run.

I agree, sadly. I think he might be an excellent candidate, but there are too many things against him. I don't think he really has the fire in his belly, he's a three-times divorced social liberal, he's Catholic and Italian, he's decidedly urban...

479 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:27:24am

re: #474 iceweasel

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Let's be clear: I expect Republicans to mobilise their troops when necessary, just like I do Dems. That's politics. My issue is when there are special interests involved, especially corporate interests-- and that's what's happening.

Again, sorry for not getting back to you sooner, or even now with more detail--I'd love to discuss this with you but I've been busy. Suddenly a lot going on here personally and professionally-- if you know what I mean, and I think you do. ;)

Right. Good, thanks for those. I really had no idea who and what could be/could not be involved, and I did try looking at some of my regular sources and didn't find much.

480 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:27:42am

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

Sure, just like all our crooked politicians are languishing in prison. Get a grip.

I said "should", Walter - as in "Sarah Palin should stop lying". Not waiting around for it.

481 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:28:12am

re: #474 iceweasel

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Let's be clear: I expect Republicans to mobilise their troops when necessary, just like I do Dems. That's politics. My issue is when there are special interests involved, especially corporate interests-- and that's what's happening.

Again, sorry for not getting back to you sooner, or even now with more detail--I'd love to discuss this with you but I've been busy. Suddenly a lot going on here personally and professionally-- if you know what I mean, and I think you do. ;)

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

dirt

482 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:29:56am

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

Your avatar, the gold stater, Athena, Babylon mint. Just curious, do you collect ancients? I do. I was just interested if we had another collector of ancients on LGF?

I scored a cool coin from the 12th Century...It looks Middle Eastern...

483 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:32:22am

re: #477 HoosierHoops

Well how the hell is it living in the mountains these days looking down on mankind?
Are you happy in the new digs?

Yes. A bit of a let down from the theatre, though. The producer decided to play his cards and half my salary, since I was now in the position of sharing my month to month living expenses with another person.

And he cut my duties down too, so now I am only working show days (Fri. Sat. and Sun.) and the other during the week tasks are out of my job description.

I stayed on. I didn't move up here just to live off of another person. I'm mad at the producer, but, then again, first it's business, and second, him and I are like brothers and this is a family squabble, not the end of the world.

I'll deal with it.

But I love the mountains. But, then again, ask me in deep December. LOL. We already had snow this past Tuesday night, during a thunder storm, mixed in with the rain.

484 Wendya  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:32:40am

re: #474 iceweasel

My issue is when there are special interests involved, especially corporate interests-- and that's what's happening.

Kind of like Obama cutting a secret deal with the pharmaceutical industry or the millions of dollars Obama and the democrats receive in campaign donations from the insurance industry and lawyers?

I find that far more of a concern than private citizens protesting health care or taxes.

485 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:32:49am
486 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:33:16am

re: #479 Walter L. Newton

Right. Good, thanks for those. I really had no idea who and what could be/could not be involved, and I did try looking at some of my regular sources and didn't find much.

No prob walter-- I really want to dig up a few more for you and do a whole proper comprehensive thing. I havent been around much here at all since tuesday except for drivebys and silly kinds of posting. My attention is elsewhere at the moment, but i really haven't forgotten. If you don't mind getting it in a piecemeal fashion I'll just fling a bunch of links up.

487 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:33:27am

re: #478 SanFranciscoZionist

I agree, sadly. I think he might be an excellent candidate, but there are too many things against him. I don't think he really has the fire in his belly, he's a three-times divorced social liberal, he's Catholic and Italian, he's decidedly urban...

Rudy would be the VP in my scenario. One problem the Republicans have in attracting Jewish voters, especially women is this obsession with the abortion issue. If the Repubs could let that one go and allow a pro-choice (socially liberal) candidate on the ticket, they could grab a lot of the Jewish vote.

488 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:33:43am

re: #483 Walter L. Newton

bummer...life gets shitty sometimes

489 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:33:44am

re: #481 albusteve

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

dirt

Dude, its only bad if Republicans do it. Then they are hypocrites and stuff. Democrats get a pass because they are expected to pull that kind of crap. It's their "right".

490 Racer X  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:35:24am

Funniest thread ever

491 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:36:16am

re: #483 Walter L. Newton

Yes. A bit of a let down from the theatre, though. The producer decided to play his cards and half my salary, since I was now in the position of sharing my month to month living expenses with another person.

And he cut my duties down too, so now I am only working show days (Fri. Sat. and Sun.) and the other during the week tasks are out of my job description.

I stayed on. I didn't move up here just to live off of another person. I'm mad at the producer, but, then again, first it's business, and second, him and I are like brothers and this is a family squabble, not the end of the world.

I'll deal with it.

But I love the mountains. But, then again, ask me in deep December. LOL. We already had snow this past Tuesday night, during a thunder storm, mixed in with the rain.

Walter...You are in the perfect zone...Living in the perfect place with the perfect person and the weight of the fucking world on you..
You need to write...You are a writer.. A screenwriter...
I've read your shit..
Tell the world a story Walter...
Regards

492 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:37:24am

re: #482 HoosierHoops

I scored a cool coin from the 12th Century...It looks Middle Eastern...

Ancient Islamic coins are one of the most under collected area in ancient coin collecting. You would be amazed at the lower prices for Islamic coins than their European counterparts.

That's mainly because they are SO difficult to attribute. Barely no icongraphy (sp?), the script is regional and changes with tribes and the physical condition varies a lot.

Bottom line, it takes a whole lot of study to understand what's on a Islamic coin, and that has made demand low.

So, if you want a less expensive ancient coin area to get into, that's it. There are some really good books on the subject, but bottom line, it takes a lot of study. More than most arm chair collectors want to do.

493 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:37:59am

re: #484 Wendya

Kind of like Obama cutting a secret deal with the pharmaceutical industry

Actually, yes. I have a huge issue with that. So do other progressives. That's why there's a load of anger on the left right now at obama. And the pharma deal isn't the only one he's been making:

The central pledges of the Obama campaign were less about specific policy positions and much more about changing the way Washington works -- to liberate political outcomes from the dictates of corporate interests; to ensure vast new levels of transparency in government; to separate our national security and terrorism approaches from the politics of fear. With some mild exceptions, those have been repeatedly violated. Negotiating his health care reform plan in total secrecy and converting it into a gigantic gift to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries -- which is exactly what a plan with (1) mandates, (2) no public option and (3) a ban on bulk negotiations for drug prices would be -- would constitute yet another core violation of those commitments, yet another bolstering (a major one) of the very power dynamic he vowed to subvert.

If people want to know how progressives are feeling about Obama, read that and the Krugman article it links.

It's useful to know what criticisms are coming from the left about Obama; I think a lot of people here may not be as aware of them.

494 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:38:20am

Pardon me...is this the Blood for Oil Department?

495 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:39:13am

re: #491 HoosierHoops

Walter...You are in the perfect zone...Living in the perfect place with the perfect person and the weight of the fucking world on you..
You need to write...You are a writer.. A screenwriter...
I've read your shit..
Tell the world a story Walter...
Regards

Thanks.

496 Van Helsing  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:39:31am

re: #474 iceweasel

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Let's be clear: I expect Republicans to mobilise their troops when necessary, just like I do Dems. That's politics. My issue is when there are special interests involved, especially corporate interests-- and that's what's happening.

George Soros funds how many 'grass-roots' organizations?

497 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:39:49am

re: #485 taxfreekiller

Cato,

If your so smart and all,
end the boring shit,,,K?

Do some that shows some real brains,
low dogging one woman day and night,
got no class.

I'll lay off Palin one minute after you stop obsessing over Kerry, mmkay?

Think about it.

498 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:40:22am

re: #490 Racer X

Funniest thread ever

LMAO.

499 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:40:44am

re: #488 albusteve

bummer...life gets shitty sometimes

Nope, just more interesting. I'm ok, not too hot, not too cold, eating and breathing, and I have some money saved up (going to Cirque De Soleil Wed.), live isa bitchin' ride.

500 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:40:45am

re: #496 Van Helsing

George Soros funds how many 'grass-roots' organizations?

Right, I know-- Soros is your boogeyman.

501 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:41:26am

re: #487 _RememberTonyC

Rudy would be the VP in my scenario. One problem the Republicans have in attracting Jewish voters, especially women is this obsession with the abortion issue. If the Repubs could let that one go and allow a pro-choice (socially liberal) candidate on the ticket, they could grab a lot of the Jewish vote.

Be interesting to see.

502 Van Helsing  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:43:14am

re: #500 iceweasel

Right, I know-- Soros is your boogeyman.

No, not really. He's just a really rich guy that funds left-wing causes. Some really rich guys fund right wing causes.

Some really rich guys buy stock just before the company gets $2 billion in loan guarantees from the US Petrobras.

503 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:43:51am

re: #493 iceweasel


It's useful to know what criticisms are coming from the left about Obama; I think a lot of people here may not be as aware of them.

Ah, Ice, you know they think he's the One! The messiah! They think he can do no wrong! They're in lurrrve! All of them!

///

504 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:44:42am

re: #492 Walter L. Newton

Ancient Islamic coins are one of the most under collected area in ancient coin collecting. You would be amazed at the lower prices for Islamic coins than their European counterparts.

That's mainly because they are SO difficult to attribute. Barely no icongraphy (sp?), the script is regional and changes with tribes and the physical condition varies a lot.

Bottom line, it takes a whole lot of study to understand what's on a Islamic coin, and that has made demand low.

So, if you want a less expensive ancient coin area to get into, that's it. There are some really good books on the subject, but bottom line, it takes a lot of study. More than most arm chair collectors want to do.

I inherited a Collection of money...Part of that paper I sent you from Global banks..Lots of coins...
I want to off it all but you know me..I don't know shit about rare coins...Would you email this next week? I need direction and a dealer
Tks

505 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:45:07am

re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, Ice, you know they think he's the One! The messiah! They think he can do no wrong! They're in lurrrve! All of them!

///

'Course I am. That's why I mocked the piss out of my brother and other Obots for thinking they were getting unicorns.

506 hellosnackbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:45:44am

re#7 wahabi corridor,
I read the Private Eye article by Paul Foot and whilst not a great Foot fan.
He would never besmirch a hard won reputation for investigative journalism;
if there was no substance to Al Megrahi's stitch up.
The only thing that distresses me is that he'll soon be dead;and that his
guilt as the perpetrator will remain; without further investigation.
I think there is sufficient doubt that further investigation of this monstrous crime should be made.
As to his release he's a dead man walking(for c.3months)and business is business as the Mafia say.

507 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:46:06am

re: #504 HoosierHoops

Yep, I have someone in mind.

508 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:51:40am

re: #507 Walter L. Newton

Yep, I have someone in mind.

Awesome...
There are just bags of rare coins...I want to off em...I legally own it...
Talk to you next week during work

509 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:53:49pm

Came here looking for Al-Megrahi's release to be somehow blamed on American "liberals"; left satisfied.

510 Pupdawg  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:38:51pm

re: #362 yesandno

Have to bring up those death panels again...

/geriatric "care"

It does seem like America went from at least one of the greatest countries on the face of the Earth to a self-loathing, barely suffering-on-life-support nation immediately when Obama took office...Obama without doubt makes me feel geriatric...I actually fear no living will can keep the plug juiced with BHO at the controls.
IMHO, America, as we know and cherish her, may well be hanging-on by a a sliver of a whisper as she now faces a figurative, hyper-active 'death panel' from within. As a nation, it has been and is like we share the same maternal nectar of milk and honey yet some maintain and inflict their hatred of mother America upon their brethren. They may well be the death of us all if we allow these things to happen. The third spirit has not yet appeared and this does seem like a surreal dream in which we are trapped. Hopefully, the ghost of Christmas Future will report that there is hope...still.

511 quickjustice  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:42:30pm

Gordon Brown's government? Venal? I'm shocked, shocked!/

512 Last Man  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:55:19pm

Perfidious Albion

513 Enkidu90046  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:38:12pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Until we break the need for oil- we will continue to be hostages to thugs. Disgusting, but reality.

This, more than any environmental concern, is one of the reasons I have long felt that we need to develop cheap and usable alternative energy sources. Once the world no longer needs oil, the world can cease giving a shit about these terrorist thugocracies and a vast amount of their power will evaporate over night. They can wallow in their 7th century cesspools by themselves without the Western world sucking up to these sickos and giving them the money they need to aid their war against civilization.

514 quickjustice  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:14:29pm

re: #513 Enkidu90046 Miniature nuclear power plants!

515 Syrah  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:42:07pm

Appeasement for oil?

516 Kaymad  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:07:01pm

So I assume this deal would be very beneficial for Libya as well as the UK. Why the need to trumpet the quid pro quo if that is what this was about? Is the need to totally humiliate a foe that you've negotiated with more important than the deal?

I would say that if there was some sort of deal, the UK would have a hard time going through with it at this point which would make Libya idiots for not being able to stick to the plan (compassionate discharge and all that).

Another thing, over at powerline a former Bush appointee says this has been in the works since April and the administration knew about it. But last week Obama was saying that he hoped "it wasn't true", as if he had no knowledge about this whatsoever. How many times does the man get to lie without being called on it?

517 Enkidu90046  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:12:57pm

I just read Mueller's letter. I haven't cried since November 1989. I have to admit that I got a little choked up while reading it. It took a bit of willpower to keep my streak intact.

518 Roentgen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:54:12pm

Boycott Scotland.

519 Flavia  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 11:12:08pm

I am only surprised it got out this quickly. Did anyone really think there was any other reason?

520 Drider  Sun, Aug 23, 2009 4:50:58am

I feel jipped, Obama spends millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars to "release" terrorists into island paradise's and the Brits release "a" terrorist for valuable oil contracts.

It's a race to the bottom folks, and we are way out in front.

521 bruxellesblog  Sun, Aug 23, 2009 11:46:55am

re: #7 wahabicorridor

"A lot of people think he didn't do it"

I flew flight 103 on December 19th and had two very good friends on the flight that day, it damn well could have been me too. The phony evidence canard is a load of shit. Period. And I have a very short fuse for this nonsense.

You need to do some quick background on the source of the conflicting testimony regarding the circuit board, the Mebo MST-13. and the 'owner' of the company Mebo, Erwin Meister. The guy has a long history with Libya, he sold two ships to them that he used for pirate radio stations in the 60s. He started backtracking on his testimony round about the time his company went bankrupt after the court case and he was sued by Pan Am.

He started receiving cash payments from the Libyans "only for legal fees" (yea, right) and then filed the motion testifying that the circuit board of the unit produced in the case was not the right color.

Yea, right...

If you think he isn't getting kick backs from the Libyans to stir up trouble, I've got a bridge to sell you.

522 arf  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:19:21am

trade in their kilts for burkhas


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