Dobson: ‘America Is In Greater Danger Than At Any Time Since the Civil War’

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Here’s evangelical author and radio host James Dobson accepting the Ronald Reagan Lifetime Achievement Award at the annual meeting of the secretive right wing group known as the Council for National Policy. Dobson invokes anti-government and apocalyptic imagery to attack President Obama, telling the audience that America is “in greater danger now than at any time since the Civil War.”

And in Dobson’s opinion, the only hope is for Republicans to drive out the moderates and lurch even farther to the social conservative right.

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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:21:15pm

Back in the day, Dr. Dobson was pretty reasoned.

Well, I guess the hinged is unned?

2 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:23:29pm

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Back in the day, Dr. Dobson was pretty reasoned.

Well, I guess the hinged is unned?

well his idea of America is in fact in danger…

3 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:23:55pm

I’m all for conservative values, fiscal responsibility, smaller government and lower taxes but the last thing we need is any kind of religion getting into politics which I’m assuming is what Dr. Dobson would like. It blows me away that these people don’t realize what a slippery slope a theocracy would be.

4 Bagua  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:24:49pm

Does he mention which side of the Civil War he considered dangerous to America?

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:26:26pm

re: #3 Jetpilot1101

I’m all for conservative values, fiscal responsibility, smaller government and lower taxes but the last thing we need is any kind of religion getting into politics which I’m assuming is what Dr. Dobson would like. It blows me away that these people don’t realize what a slippery slope a theocracy would be.

Guess what — Dobson and his fellow travelers are already deeply into Republican politics. A case can be made that the main reason John McCain picked Sarah Palin was to appease James Dobson and his millions of followers — because Dobson was going to tell them not to vote for McCain because of his moderate stance on abortion.

6 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:26:40pm

He needs to grab some big kettle drums and have monks waving censers full of sulphur to get the full effect.

7 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:26:49pm

“And in Dobson’s opinion, the only hope is for Republicans to drive out the moderates and lurch even farther to the social conservative right.”

Resulting in a splintered GOP base, practically guaranteeing Democratic control for the next few elections.

Balance, we need balance here. And rational people at the helm.

8 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:27:16pm

re: #3 Jetpilot1101

I’m all for conservative values, fiscal responsibility, smaller government and lower taxes but the last thing we need is any kind of religion getting into politics which I’m assuming is what Dr. Dobson would like. It blows me away that these people don’t realize what a slippery slope a theocracy would be.

interesting to think that we may go to war if we are not already with another theocracy… I guess it’s the wrong one.

9 Liberally Conservative  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:27:22pm

re: #3 Jetpilot1101

I’m all for conservative values, fiscal responsibility, smaller government and lower taxes but the last thing we need is any kind of religion getting into politics which I’m assuming is what Dr. Dobson would like. It blows me away that these people don’t realize what a slippery slope a theocracy would be.

I believe the religious right precisely realizes the slippery slope of theocracy, and they would like certain aspects of it, not as far as Iran goes, but certainly farther than the Constitution allows (although they won’t say that, of course).

And the non-religious conservative establishment? I think that they think they can control the Social Conservatives, but it may be a bit late for that.

10 What, me worry?  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:27:31pm

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Back in the day, Dr. Dobson was pretty reasoned.

Well, I guess the hinged is unned?

I’m not much familiar with his work. This would be a poor example heh

That this kind of thing is coming out of the mouths of very influential GOP folks is pretty shocking. In Charles’ earlier thread about Ann Gerhart’s article, “In Today’s Viral World, Who Keeps a Civil Tongue?” I found this quote:

Critics are using the YouTube video of the children’s song to argue that Obama is becoming a brainwashing dictator. To raise money for the Republican National Committee, Chairman Michael S. Steele has compared the song to “the type of propaganda you see in Stalin’s Russia.”

It seems to be everywhere.

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:28:47pm

My Beckbot relative was telling me recently that there is no question that this country is headed for a civil/race war. I just didn’t have the heart to tell her that the side she appears to be rooting for will lose hard if that happens.

12 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:28:54pm

When one for the Gipper? In this say and age and with Dobson doing the talking?

Two words: Reagan Democrats. Ain’t gonna happen again with the direction they’re going.

13 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:29:28pm

re: #12 Gus 802

When Win one for the Gipper? In this say and age and with Dobson doing the talking?

Two words: Reagan Democrats. Ain’t gonna happen again with the direction they’re going.

PIMF

14 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:29:39pm

Here’s more on the Council for National Policy

Members of the CNP have included Phyllis Schlafly, former AG Ed Meese, Rev. Pat Robertson, conservative direct-mail guru Richard Viguerie, the late Jerry Falwell, founder of controversial Blackwater the private security firm and the late Cleon Skousen (the John Birch Society conspiracy theorist touted by Gov. Rick Perry in reelection speeches to religious conservatives). Perry hosted a CNP reception last Thursday night at the Capitol.

15 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:30:53pm

re: #5 Charles

Guess what — Dobson and his fellow travelers are already deeply into Republican politics. A case can be made that the main reason John McCain picked Sarah Palin was to appease James Dobson and his millions of followers — because Dobson was going to tell them not to vote for McCain because of his moderate stance on abortion.

100% correct Charles. I wish the theocrats would start their own party and let the moderates or rationalists have their own. If they really want a theocracy, then start a party based on that but don’t corrupt the Republicans. We really need a third party that is based on conservative principles minus any form of religion. That is what our founding fathers wanted, not a bunch of religious zealots taking over the country. They founded this country because England had turned into a theocracy. They didn’t found America to be a theocracy.

16 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:31:59pm

re: #14 Sharmuta

A wretched hive of scum and villainy of the likes that put Mos Eisley to shame.

17 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:32:19pm

re: #14 Sharmuta

Really?, you have gotten my attention.

18 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:32:25pm
And in Dobson’s opinion, the only hope is for Republicans to drive out the moderates and lurch even farther to the social conservative right.

Dear GOP - if you want to go down this road, expect to lose. Thanks so much.

19 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:32:32pm

Council for National Policy

The Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy at Cornell University considers the Council for National Policy a leading force in the Dominionist movement. TheocracyWatch, a CRESP project, describes it as “an umbrella organization of right-wing leaders who gather regularly to plot strategy, share ideas and fund causes and candidates to advance the theocratic agenda.

20 What, me worry?  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:33:13pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

My Beckbot relative was telling me recently that there is no question that this country is headed for a civil/race war. I just didn’t have the heart to tell her that the side she appears to be rooting for will lose hard if that happens.

I don’t know that that’s true. I think it’s part of some people’s sick fantasies (sorry about the relative) but I don’t think it will happen. The vast majority of Americans would not buy into it.

21 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:33:16pm

Remember that horrible Jesus painting One Nation Under God? Pharyngula alerted me to a serious improvement in One Nation Under Cthulhu. Incidentally, this also seems to be the preferred depiction of anything other than a Christian theocratic state, at least according to these nutters.

22 bosforus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:33:51pm

These wacko’s are going to end up in a Royal Rumble as they all fight to determine who’s “the non-moderate”!

23 KingKenrod  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:33:59pm

re: #5 Charles

Guess what — Dobson and his fellow travelers are already deeply into Republican politics. A case can be made that the main reason John McCain picked Sarah Palin was to appease James Dobson and his millions of followers — because Dobson was going to tell them not to vote for McCain because of his moderate stance on abortion.

Dobson endorsed Huckabee in early February…Huckabee would have been a better choice to pander to evangelicals.

24 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:35:02pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

This is not good. I’m a Christian and I don’t want ANY part of a Theocracy. Faith and religion are private matters and while they may help shape moral decisions, they have no place in politics where it is too easy to foist personal beliefs on a larger unwilling populace leading nowhere good. God gave us free will. Why is it so hard for Christians to understand this concept.

25 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:35:43pm

re: #16 Slumbering Behemoth

A wretched hive of scum and villainy of the likes that put Mos Eisley to shame.

Well done. I’m listening to a score (an uplifting one) from Star Wars Episode III on Pandora.

26 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:36:45pm

re: #20 marjoriemoon

I absolutely agree with you on that. Further, I am one of the Americans that not only wouldn’t buy into it, but would fight against it, if it came to that.

We have free and open elections in this country thanks to the work of our founding fathers. I will not sit on the sidelines if some group tries to destroy their work and our freedom with violent revolution.

27 bosforus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:38:02pm

re: #24 Jetpilot1101

Well, remember when Jesus ran for senate and told all his followers about how he was going to turn all of his teachings into law once elected… oh wait… that never happened.

28 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:38:10pm

re: #14 Sharmuta

Here’s more on the Council for National Policy

Some former comments from Council for National Policy this time from Rick Santorum:

Third, we need to re-evangelize Europe. Why? Well, if you look at what we’re up against, Mark Steyn wrote the book called America Alone and we really are alone in this. Maybe Britain will be with us, maybe. We’ll see what happens after Tony Blair. Israel will be with us? Not really a big help during this time. They took a pretty big shot with the loss to the war and Hezbollah. It’s going to be tough for them. We will be alone unless we somehow get some of our traditional allies back and we will not get them back save faith.

These secularized countries that are dying. Europe is dying. At their current birthrates, they’re going to lose half their population in 50 years. In Steyn’s book, he talks about the most popular boys name in Belgium: Mohammed. Forty percent of Amsterdam is Muslim, it will be Eurabia or Eurostan in the lifetime of your children unless something changes and that something is faith. It is a belief in something other than the self that makes one want to do things for others instead of just yourself, like giving of children. It is faith. It is faith that keeps our populations rates up. We need to re-evangelize.

The usual propaganda.

29 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:38:22pm

Council for National Policy

CNP is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. For the year ending December 31, 2002, CNP income was $1,240,377.[1]
According to Media Transparency, between 1995 and 2002 the CNP received $125,000 (unadjusted for inflation) from the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation and the Castle Rock Foundation. In 2000 the Castle Rock Foundation paid a membership fee of $10,000.[7]
The CNP also has a related 501(c)(4) organisation CNP Action Inc.. CNP Action re-imbursed CNP $16,563 for the use of its facilities with and $39,457 of staff time.

Joseph Coors gave start-up funding, according to Washington Babylon

Castle Rock is Coors. And one of the 5 major contributors of social conservative foundations. Joe Coors was also a Bircher:

It is a telling marker of the ideological cohesiveness and extremism of this core group of philanthropies that three of the five founding members, Joseph Coors, David Koch and Harry Bradley, were members and financial supporters of the John Birch Society. The Scaife foundations, headed by Richard Mellon Scaife, are also involved, albeit in less direct ways.

30 Etaoin Shrdlu  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:41:06pm

What the word before “parenting” around 3:47? I can’t make it out.

31 Jack Burton  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:41:38pm

Now Dobson is a greater douchebag than at any time since the civil war.

32 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:41:49pm

re: #28 Gus 802

I have no problem with evangelizing; doesn’t matter who does it. All religions have a right to spread their message and try and win converts and I’ll never support legislation that denies them that right. My huge isssue is when any religion decides it is their right to make their brand of faith the law of the land and works toward that end. There is no place for religion of any kind in politics. Our founding fathers knew this and it is precisely why they crafted the contitution to ensure the separation of church and state.

33 yael  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:42:46pm

re: #26 Slumbering Behemoth

Absolutely with you in that. When Pat Robertson and his troops thought they could make him the GOP candidate in 1988, the first thing they did in our area was to mob the low level precincts where hardly anybody usually showed up and before the establishment party people woke up, they were dangerously close to achieving their aim. Anyone, like me, who is still serious about having the GOP represent rational policies can not let this happen again.

34 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:43:14pm

Andrew Bolt takes the implicit racism of Michelle Malkin’s hyperventilation over that Alma Thomas painting, and makes it completely explicit: Artless Obamas.

Take the work by Alma Thomas, which turns out to be just a (black female) artist’s lightly disguised rendition of another (white male) painter’s work.

Wow. Is this kind of thing more accepted in Australia?

35 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:43:21pm

re: #32 Jetpilot1101

I have no problem with evangelizing; doesn’t matter who does it. All religions have a right to spread their message and try and win converts and I’ll never support legislation that denies them that right. My huge isssue is when any religion decides it is their right to make their brand of faith the law of the land and works toward that end. There is no place for religion of any kind in politics. Our founding fathers knew this and it is precisely why they crafted the contitution to ensure the separation of church and state.

Right, but in this case Santorum was talking about evangelizing in Europe to reverse what he calls a “failing secularized state.” Doesn’t really seem like Europe is failing at all from where I’ms standing. So yes, it is as you say politicized in this case.

36 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:43:35pm

From Max Blumenthal September 2008

Secretive Right-Wing Group Vetted Palin

Last week, while the media focused almost obsessively on the DNC’s spectacle in Denver, the country’s most influential conservatives met quietly at a hotel in downtown Minneapolis to get to know Sarah Palin. The assembled were members of the Council for National Policy, an ultra-secretive cabal that networks wealthy right-wing donors together with top conservative operatives to plan long-term movement strategy.

CNP members have included Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Grover Norquist, Tim LaHaye and Paul Weyrich. At a secret 2000 meeting of the CNP, George W. Bush promised to nominate only pro-life judges; in 2004, then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told the group, “The destiny of the nation is on the shoulders of the conservative movement.” This year, thanks to Sarah Palin’s selection, the movement may have finally aligned itself behind the campaign of John McCain.

[snip]

Minnery added that his boss, Dobson, has yearned for a conservative female leader like Margaret Thatcher to emerge on the American scene. And while Palin is no Thatcher, “she has not rejected the feminine side of who she is, so for that reason, she will be attractive to conservative voters.”

37 What, me worry?  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:43:46pm

re: #26 Slumbering Behemoth

I absolutely agree with you on that. Further, I am one of the Americans that not only wouldn’t buy into it, but would fight against it, if it came to that.

We have free and open elections in this country thanks to the work of our founding fathers. I will not sit on the sidelines if some group tries to destroy their work and our freedom with violent revolution.

Last Friday, I posted this in the links

GOP member shoots target with Fla. Dem’s initials
By MATT SEDENSKY

MIAMI – A South Florida Republican said it was a mistake to shoot at a target with the initials of the Democratic congresswoman [Debbie Wasserman-Schultz] he is trying to unseat.

Candidate Robert Lowry made a brief statement to a local newspaper but refused to speak further Friday about the incident, which happened Tuesday during a weekly GOP meeting held at a gun range.

Organizer Ed Napolitano defended the gathering, as well as the use of targets that appeared to be gunmen with traditional Arab head scarves.

“That’s our right,” said Napolitano, president of the Southeast Broward Republican Club. “If we want to shoot at targets that look like that, we’re going to go ahead and do that.”

Bunch a sweet guys, eh? Just who ya want to represent ya.

My guess if anything, Gd forbid, should happen, it would be isolated incidents, not a race war. Didn’t Charles Manson also have that fantasy?

Oh and I’m with ya all the way!

38 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:44:28pm

re: #32 Jetpilot1101

I have no problem with evangelizing; doesn’t matter who does it. All religions have a right to spread their message and try and win converts and I’ll never support legislation that denies them that right. My huge isssue is when any religion decides it is their right to make their brand of faith the law of the land and works toward that end. There is no place for religion of any kind in politics. Our founding fathers knew this and it is precisely why they crafted the contitution to ensure the separation of church and state.

there is a lot of confusion about that, but I think you got it spot on.

39 bluecheese  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:44:33pm

I listened to that whole thing.

What a blathering jackass.

Can someone please explain what the “evils of liberalism” are…

40 bosforus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:45:22pm

re: #34 Charles

Any guesses as to the reaction if The Black Last Supper ended up in the white house?

41 irish rose  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:47:10pm

re: #5 Charles

Guess what — Dobson and his fellow travelers are already deeply into Republican politics. A case can be made that the main reason John McCain picked Sarah Palin was to appease James Dobson and his millions of followers — because Dobson was going to tell them not to vote for McCain because of his moderate stance on abortion.


“Does the Republican Party want our votes, no strings attached—to court us every two years, and then to say, ‘Don’t call me; I’ll call you’—and to not care about the moral law of the universe?…Is that what they want? Is that the way the system works? Is this the way it’s going to be? If it is, I’m gone, and if I go, I will do everything I can to take as many people with me as possible.”


– Statement from 02/07/98 Council for National Policy meeting, Washington Times, February 17, 1998

42 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:47:49pm

Michael Steele and the Council For National Policy

Eyewitness nugget: At the Austin event, Chairman Michael Steele of the Republican National Committee took [Phyllis] Schlafly’s questions only after calling a time-out to give her a hug. I’ll speculate he was trying to soften her up.

Steele told me his general message was to ” get ready, stay engaged. There’s a lot of work that has to be done.”

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:48:10pm

re: #37 marjoriemoon

Didn’t Charles Manson also have that fantasy?

Yes, he did. That is exactly what he hoped to instigate with the Tate - LaBianca murders.

44 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:48:17pm

re: #40 bosforus

This.

Youtube Video
45 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:48:27pm

re: #34 Charles

Andrew Bolt takes the implicit racism of Michelle Malkin’s hyperventilation over that Alma Thomas painting, and makes it completely explicit: Artless Obamas.

Wow. Is this kind of thing more accepted in Australia?

I’ve heard from friends currently living in Australia that the overt racism was one of the things that really shocked them on arrival, and a major reason they’ll be moving back. Obviously this is maybe half a dozen data points for a country of millions, but there it is.

46 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:48:47pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

From Max Blumenthal September 2008

Secretive Right-Wing Group Vetted Palin

More gobbledygook from the Council for National Policy this time from:

David Breese - President, Christian Destiny, Inc., a national organization committed to advancement of Christianity through evangelical crusades, literature distribution, university gatherings, and radio and television; publisher, The Destiny Bulletin; former teacher; Christian minister.

Excerpt:

First of all, and in a sense the founder of a kind of new culture, is Charles Darwin. Charles Darwin, as you know, was an Englishman. He was invited to be the biologist on a trip which a small vessel made to the archipelago at the west side of South America. There he spent five years. He examined trees and plants and animals, then began writing letters about them to the British scientific community. When he returned he gave the world what we now call the Theory of Evolution.

Much could be said about the theory of evolution, and there isn’t time to do all of that tonight. But basically, what Darwin held before the world was a new determinism. Darwin’s determinism insisted that you are what you are because of a biological force that moves through history. You are biologically determined.

Darwin gave us the idea of natural selection and said that’s why the world is what it is today.

The theory of evolution took hold in England. In my opinion, it did so not because it was true but because it offered several new layers of insulation between people and God. They were already drifting away from their spiritual roots. Evolution helped them forget the fact that they would one day have to stand in judgment before the God of the universe. So evolution was accepted, a basically anti-Christian philosophy. Darwin gave us the determinism that man is what he is, not because of God, but because of natural selection.

Now, think for just a moment. If that is true, I defy anyone to tell me where morality comes from? What is the difference between good and evil? What deserves credit and what produces blame? What happens to the moral valence of the universe if everything is chemistry? It is gone, dear friends, and if you and I are the same substance as an animal or the same substance as the vegetation that grows across the hillsides — if that is true, it is all over! Lose the argument to the evolutionists and you have lost every other argument in the process. This because there is no final truth to stand on.

What is the true determinism that makes life what it is? It is this. It is the will of man responding affirmatively to the will of God. Your life and mine know blessing and capability to the exact degree that we persist in that conformity to the will of God. So the great question of life is not what the trees and the plants and the flowers and the monkeys and the animals who are my antecedents made of me! Rather the great question of life is this. It is the question, “Lord, what will you have me to do?” Lose that as the basic question of life and proper motivation disappears. You may become like Henry David Thoreau, who made a two o’clock in the afternoon appointment with a beech tree. That, however, is the natural outgrowth of an evolutionary point of view.

Darwin established a beachhead with the idea of natural selection! Then came Karl Marx.

47 irish rose  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:49:33pm

re: #24 Jetpilot1101

This is not good. I’m a Christian and I don’t want ANY part of a Theocracy. Faith and religion are private matters and while they may help shape moral decisions, they have no place in politics where it is too easy to foist personal beliefs on a larger unwilling populace leading nowhere good. God gave us free will. Why is it so hard for Christians to understand this concept.

Well said.

48 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:49:58pm

“… and I don’t think there is a single policy decision Barack Obama has made that I agree with.”

I’ve know of three Somali pirates that might say something in support of Dobson’s point if Obama hadn’t taken the SEALS off their leash, forever ending the pirates’ ability to render testimony. So I guess Dobson supports piracy and hostage taking.

I guess that means Dobson is against the continued surveillance of suspected domestic terrorists.

And also means he is for continuing to imprison people we know are factually innocent of any offense, ie Uiguars.

Actually, I’m pretty sure he is for that last one. When people make this kind of blanket statement of Dobson’s, it’s a good indicator that they aren’t thinking all that clearly.

49 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:51:48pm

Looks like it’s a “fountainhead” of typical far-right talking points. They sure have the Darwinism leads to Marxism dialed in.

50 bosforus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:51:52pm

re: #44 cenotaphium

That was a very rubbery head.

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:54:13pm

re: #39 bluecheese

Can someone please explain what the “evils of liberalism” are…

1. Not going to Church every Sunday
2. Appreciation for/dabbling in works of art
3. Listening to Heavy Metal
4. Washing your “you know what” in the shower/tub for more than 15 seconds
5. Critical thinking
6. Not beating your children with a stick when they disobey
7. Not beating your children with a stick when they cry after being beaten with a stick
8. Shredded Cheese
9. Four of the five Spice Girls
10. Painting your face with makeup, you filthy whore!

52 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:55:55pm

Reagan was a man who understood how to bring people together. Dobson is a man who understands how to bring them apart.

53 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:55:56pm

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

9. Four of the five Spice Girls

Which 4?

54 brookly red  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:56:06pm

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

1. Not going to Church every Sunday
2. Appreciation for/dabbling in works of art
3. Listening to Heavy Metal
4. Washing your “you know what” in the shower/tub for more than 15 seconds
5. Critical thinking
6. Not beating your children with a stick when they disobey
7. Not beating your children with a stick when they cry after being beaten with a stick
8. Shredded Cheese
9. Four of the five Spice Girls
10. Painting your face with makeup, you filthy whore!

/back off the shredded cheese dude…

55 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:56:13pm

re: #42 Sharmuta

Michael Steele and the Council For National Policy

And there was this from that link:

Apparently, Steele has weathered the storm from earlier this year when various CNP members and allied activists were demanding his resignation.

56 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:56:26pm
It was at a Council for National Policy meeting back in September that the Goldilocks brigade of the Religious Right, led by Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, threatened to break away from the Republican Party if Rudy Giuliani won the nomination. And the CNP meeting in March was one of John McCain’s first stops after securing the GOP mantle—continuing his pandering to the fringe.

source

It’s precisely because we bother to pander to these people that they think they can bully the rest of the party into pushing their agenda. They are strangling the party from within. The next time they threaten to leave the party- don’t stop them. Hold the door open.

57 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:58:06pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

source

It’s precisely because we bother to pander to these people that they think they can bully the rest of the party into pushing their agenda. They are strangling the party from within. The next time they threaten to leave the party- don’t stop them. Hold the door open.

I’ve been saying for a long time that the reason Giuliani seemed so disinterested in pursuing his campaign was because he knew he didn’t stand a chance of getting the nomination. The theocrats were aligned against him, and he knew it.

58 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:58:15pm

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

1. Not going to Church every Sunday
2. Appreciation for/dabbling in works of art
3. Listening to Heavy Metal
4. Washing your “you know what” in the shower/tub for more than 15 seconds
5. Critical thinking
6. Not beating your children with a stick when they disobey
7. Not beating your children with a stick when they cry after being beaten with a stick
8. Shredded Cheese
9. Four of the five Spice Girls
10. Painting your face with makeup, you filthy whore!

I guess I’m not a good fit with them as I “shred the cheese” occasionally still to this day!

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:58:39pm

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The four that cause you to have carnal thoughts. This is depends on one’s own perspective, of course.

re: #54 brookly red

It’s the work of the devil, you heathen!

60 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:59:05pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

It’s a very interesting glimpse behind the scenes. These are probably the real power brokers on right. The are well established with a lot of influence and money at their disposal.

61 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:59:07pm

re: #52 Naso Tang

Reagan was a man who understood how to bring people together. Dobson is a man who understands how to bring them apart.

Yes, but Dobson no doubt sees this as a war of cultures. I’m willing to bet that this guy wants casualties. Perhaps not literally though.

62 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:59:28pm

re: #16 Slumbering Behemoth

A wretched hive of scum and villainy of the likes that put Mos Eisley to shame.

Stay on target!

63 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 6:59:32pm

re: #55 Gus 802

Steele wasn’t their guy. Ken Blackwell was.

64 yael  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:00:32pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

Hear, hear! We are on the same page with this for sure. As one old tired warhorse I can’t do that much but if any of these people show up at my precinct meetings with their agenda, they will find that “there is (at least) one dwarf left in Moria who can still wield an axe.”

65 bosforus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:01:26pm

re: #52 Naso Tang

Hi Naso. I know you didn’t lose any sleep over it but since I signed off for the night before you made the comment - no, you did not offend me. :)

66 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:01:38pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

Steele wasn’t their guy. Ken Blackwell was.

Another veritable who’s who of theocrats.

Talk about the anti-Buckleys and anti-Goldwaters.

67 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:01:46pm

The Michelle Malkin - James Dobson connection:

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org…]

MP3 Audio
68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:02:32pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

Stay on target!

I always think of this old arcade game when I hear that. That thing ate a lot of my quarters back in the day.

Oops, almost forgot. Number eleven on the list of the “evils of liberalism”…
11. Video Games

69 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:02:45pm

re: #57 Charles

I’ve been saying for a long time that the reason Giuliani seemed so disinterested in pursuing his campaign was because he knew he didn’t stand a chance of getting the nomination. The theocrats were aligned against him, and he knew it.

Which was crazy- I knew independents and liberals who would have voted for Rudy. But the theocrats want the sand box for themselves. They’re going to bully the other republicans out of the party. Then, when they lose some more elections, they’ll say it’s because they’re still not conservative enough. It’s maddening.

70 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:03:05pm

re: #61 eclectic infidel

I’m willing to bet that this guy wants casualties. Perhaps not literally though.

God wills what he wants.

71 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:04:47pm

re: #67 Charles

The Michelle Malkin - James Dobson connection:

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org…]


Also, the Dobson- Fox News connection. That’s the one that really bothers me. Accepting Malkin as a crazy was fairly easy, given her loony posts, but Fox News has been one of my TV mainstays for 9 years. It’s fall hits me hard.

72 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:05:11pm

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I can’t speak to other’s souls but, perhaps certain people should step back and focus on their own souls.

It stinks that it might mean that they are no longer in the lime-light.

73 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:05:18pm

re: #65 bosforus

Hi Naso. I know you didn’t lose any sleep over it but since I signed off for the night before you made the comment - no, you did not offend me. :)

Are you going to make me rack my degenerating short term memory on this?

Nevertheless I appreciate the implied thought, and if I lost sleep, I assure you it was not from here.

:=)

74 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:05:54pm

re: #72 MandyManners

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I can’t speak to other’s souls but, perhaps certain people should step back and focus on their own souls.

It stinks that it might mean that they are no longer in the lime-light.

Power corrupts.

75 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:07:04pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

I always think of this old arcade game when I hear that. That thing ate a lot of my quarters back in the day.

Oops, almost forgot. Number eleven on the list of the “evils of liberalism”…
11. Video Games

I tried playing that one but was never much good at it. I’ve got slow reflexes that leave me fairly poor at fighter games.

76 bosforus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:07:17pm

re: #73 Naso Tang

I’m not willing to make the effort to go back and look for our brief 3 comment discussion either so I guess it’s all settled. :P

77 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:07:39pm

Demogogues like Dobson are not interested in a theocracy or any other kind of real power; they are interested in a reliable market for their videos, books, nutritional supplements, and high-priced speeches. They have created this new counterculture largely for that purpose.

As I have said here many times, they could not care less if the GOP never wins another election so long as it continues to provide the reliable market the Dobsons, Robertsons, and thousands of lesser charlatans seek. The sooner the Republican leadership realizes this and throws them overboard, the better.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:07:57pm

re: #74 Jetpilot1101

Power corrupts.

And absolute power… is kinda neat. (Not original)

79 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:08:21pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

It’s a very interesting glimpse behind the scenes. These are probably the real power brokers on right. The are well established with a lot of influence and money at their disposal.

Let us not start delving too far into the mind of the paranoiacs, even though the influences are real.

80 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:08:23pm

re: #72 MandyManners

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I can’t speak to other’s souls but, perhaps certain people should step back and focus on their own souls.

It stinks that it might mean that they are no longer in the lime-light.

I think some of these people forget they’re not in that field of business to enrich themselves with money and power, but rather it’s to help lead others to salvation. I personally don’t think Jesus will be too happy.

81 Boyo  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:08:32pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

so its all about the money ey?

sigh…

82 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:09:01pm

re: #76 bosforus

I’m not willing to make the effort to go back and look for our brief 3 comment discussion either so I guess it’s all settled. :P

It is possible I had a glass too much by then.

83 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:09:08pm

re: #72 MandyManners

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I can’t speak to other’s souls but, perhaps certain people should step back and focus on their own souls.

It stinks that it might mean that they are no longer in the lime-light.

Oops. Matthew 11:28-30.

84 Linden Arden  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:09:57pm

Was Dobson the one who said “The teaching of evolution in our schools is the greatest threat this country faces because it undermines Christianity”?

This quote is paraphrased so I can’t Google it.

One of the theocrats said it anyway.

85 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:10:02pm

re: #80 Sharmuta

I think some of these people forget they’re not in that field of business to enrich themselves with money and power, but rather it’s to help lead others to salvation. I personally don’t think Jesus will be too happy.

What did Christ do to the money-changers?

86 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:10:20pm

re: #85 MandyManners

What did Christ do to the money-changers?

Exactly.

87 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:10:20pm

re: #80 Sharmuta

I think some of these people forget they’re not in that field of business to enrich themselves with money and power, but rather it’s to help lead others to salvation. I personally don’t think Jesus will be too happy.

I regret that I have but one upding to give you. Well said!

88 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:10:47pm

re: #74 Jetpilot1101

Power corrupts.

It’s the nature of humanity.

MARX, YOU SUCK.

89 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:11:18pm

re: #84 Linden Arden

Was Dobson the one who said “The teaching of evolution in our schools is the greatest threat this country faces because it undermines Christianity”?

This quote is paraphrased so I can’t Google it.

One of the theocrats said it anyway.

They’ve found a greater threat now.

A black man in the White House.

90 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:11:29pm

re: #72 MandyManners


I can’t speak to other’s souls but, perhaps certain people should step back and focus on their own souls.

It stinks that it might mean that they are no longer in the lime-light.

Who is it that determines who is in the lime light?

91 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:11:48pm

re: #81 Boyo

so its all about the money ey?

sigh…

So help me.

92 bluecheese  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:13:18pm

re: #85 MandyManners

What did Christ do to the money-changers?

He praised them for “free enterprise”, right after condemning the “evils of liberalism” of course.

I think…

93 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:13:19pm

re: #86 Sharmuta

Exactly.

SAME TO JEREMIAH WRIGHT AND THE HOLY HOUSE OF LIBERATION THEOLOGY.

94 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:13:25pm

re: #81 Boyo

so its all about the money ey?

sigh…

Of course it is, that and the other benefits of fame and fortune as pathological narcissists see them: readily available sex, public adulation and praise, control over others, your own special set of rules. It’s heady stuff to these small minded quacks.

95 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:13:54pm

Dominionism is the greatest threat to American than anything at any time since the civil war.

96 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:14:00pm

re: #89 Charles

They’ve found a greater threat now.

A black man in the White House.

It kind of makes me wonder why he referenced the Civil War. Is it a message to his neo-Confederate audience or the nation as a whole?

97 Boyo  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:14:27pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel

Of course it is, that and the other benefits of fame and fortune as pathological narcissists see them: readily available sex, public adulation and praise, control over others, your own special set of rules. It’s heady stuff to these small minded quacks.

yuck…how do these freaks have such powerful voices in our society??? :(

98 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:15:00pm

re: #89 Charles

They’ve found a greater threat now.

A black man in the White House.

I wonder if they realize that their racism will only make Obama come at them all the harder. Every time they show off their anti-black sentiments, they tick Obama off and make him push harder. News flash to racists: If you think the Obamas will fold to your hate, you’ve got another thing coming.

99 Flyers1974  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:15:22pm

re: #69 Sharmuta

Which was crazy- I knew independents and liberals who would have voted for Rudy. But the theocrats want the sand box for themselves. They’re going to bully the other republicans out of the party. Then, when they lose some more elections, they’ll say it’s because they’re still not conservative enough. It’s maddening.

I would argue that if you judge Guliani by the political positions he has taken, he is far closer to a Democrat than a Republican.

100 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:15:30pm

From 2007

Evangelical Vote: Down to Two
The race to win the Christian-right vote has already narrowed to a battle between former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, say activists. And for many at this month’s closed-door summit of the Council for National Policy-a top-secret club of marquee conservative advocates-Huckabee was the 60-40 fave, say attendees. This crowd counts: Members include Focus on the Family founder James Dobson and Left Behind author Tim LaHaye. Huckabee, a Baptist minister, wowed the confab, even though it’s Romney who has won over evangelical leaders. What’s more, activists say “in-the-pew evangelicals” will most likely gravitate toward Huckabee, who is strong on marriage and antiabortion issues.

101 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:15:38pm

I didn’t watch the video because my acid reflux is bothering and Dobson makes my stomach churn all by himself. Is there anything new or worthwhile in it?

102 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:16:07pm

re: #90 Naso Tang

Who is it that determines who is in the lime light?

Are you blind, deaf and dumb?

YOU DO!

For kicks and grins.

Youtube Video
103 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:16:26pm

re: #95 Conservative Moonbat

Dominionism is the greatest threat to American than anything at any time since the civil war.

That’s not true. The Soviet Union threatened the USA with annihilation. It was at least as grave a threat to us. I take your point, though.

104 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:16:44pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

From 2007

What happened with “tax and spend” Huckabee? ;)

105 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:17:06pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

Demogogues like Dobson are not interested in a theocracy or any other kind of real power; they are interested in a reliable market for their videos, books, nutritional supplements, and high-priced speeches. They have created this new counterculture largely for that purpose.

As I have said here many times, they could not care less if the GOP never wins another election so long as it continues to provide the reliable market the Dobsons, Robertsons, and thousands of lesser charlatans seek. The sooner the Republican leadership realizes this and throws them overboard, the better.

Shiplord, I do believe you’ve hit on something here.

It’s similar, it seems to me, to the sort of thing folks like Jesse Jackson pulled for quite a time - Jackson now seems marginalized, I hardly hear about him anymore and when I do hear about him, it seems it’s for unimportant and irrelevant sorts of things, nothing in the mainstream of Dem politics anymore.

It’s what the R’s will have to do with these folks, I think you’re right on target.

106 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:18:29pm

Antonio Gramsci.

Chew on that one.

107 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:18:37pm

re: #93 MandyManners

SAME TO JEREMIAH WRIGHT AND THE HOLY HOUSE OF LIBERATION THEOLOGY.

Having long outlived his usefulness to the Obamas have cast Wright into the outer darkness, where he wails and gnashes his teeth to noone in particular.
This is a sterling example of what the GOP should do with its own crazy preachers.

108 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:18:39pm

re: #102 MandyManners

Are you blind, deaf and dumb?

YOU DO!

For kicks and grins.

[Video]

I think it helps to have a dedicated audience at your disposal as well.

109 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:19:02pm

re: #84 Linden Arden

Was Dobson the one who said “The teaching of evolution in our schools is the greatest threat this country faces because it undermines Christianity”?

This quote is paraphrased so I can’t Google it.

One of the theocrats said it anyway.

This kind of quote, in a political context, always makes me want to quote my own, even if abbreviated: “An atheist cannot be a patriot”; G. Bush senior.

I will however add, that I would have overlooked his philosophical ignorance and voted for him, if it had not been, largely, for the applause accorded Pat Buchanan at the convention.

I hasten to add I also quit the Democrats when Dean rolled up his sleeves and started to spew spittle; to applause.

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:19:12pm

re: #102 MandyManners

Are you blind, deaf and dumb?

YOU DO!

For kicks and grins.

Here’s another. Elvis Costello takes a club to the way the spotlight gets directed and how phony it is. This version embedds, enjoy:

Youtube Video
111 Linden Arden  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:19:47pm

I get Dobson and the whackjob in Mississippi who protested all the prime-time TV shows mixed up. His name was Donald something.

If I ever appear on ‘Jeopardy’ I would suffer in the Nutcase Fundamentalists category.

112 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:20:11pm

re: #107 Shiplord Kirel

Having long outlived his usefulness to the Obamas, Wright has been cast into the outer darkness, where he wails and gnashes his teeth to noone in particular.
This is a sterling example of what the GOP should do with its own crazy preachers.

PIMF!

113 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:21:47pm

re: #107 Shiplord Kirel

re: #107 Shiplord Kirel

Having long outlived his usefulness to the Obamas have cast Wright into the outer darkness, where he wails and gnashes his teeth to noone in particular.
This is a sterling example of what the GOP should do with its own crazy preachers.

Mcain tried to buddy up to Hagee or somebody like that and had to back down once the press got a hold of it.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com…]

114 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:21:51pm

re: #107 Shiplord Kirel

Having long outlived his usefulness to the Obamas have cast Wright into the outer darkness, where he wails and gnashes his teeth to noone in particular.
This is a sterling example of what the GOP should do with its own crazy preachers.

I don’t get it.

BHO attended a church for 20 years in which Wright was a leader.

Now, pleaee apply that to the GOP.

115 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:22:32pm

drive out the moderates and lurch even farther to the social conservative right.

116 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:22:35pm

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel

PIMF!

What the hell does PIMF mean? I’ve been here since April and still haven’t figure it out.

117 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:23:17pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

Demogogues like Dobson are not interested in a theocracy or any other kind of real power; they are interested in a reliable market for their videos, books, nutritional supplements, and high-priced speeches. They have created this new counterculture largely for that purpose.

As I have said here many times, they could not care less if the GOP never wins another election so long as it continues to provide the reliable market the Dobsons, Robertsons, and thousands of lesser charlatans seek. The sooner the Republican leadership realizes this and throws them overboard, the better.

Marketing is definitely a big part of it, but I think you’re missing the point if you don’t acknowledge that people like James Dobson and Pat Robertson really believe what they say. It’s not just cynical capitalist exploitation - their audience buys the products and listens to the radio shows because they see that sincerity.

118 Bagua  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:23:20pm

re: #116 Conservative Moonbat

Preview Is My Friend

119 irish rose  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:23:26pm

re: #116 Conservative Moonbat

What the hell does PIMF mean? I’ve been here since April and still haven’t figure it out.

Preview is my friend.

120 soxfan4life  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #116 Conservative Moonbat

Preview is my friend

121 Bagua  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:23:57pm

Copycats

122 KingKenrod  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:24:03pm

re: #116 Conservative Moonbat

What the hell does PIMF mean? I’ve been here since April and still haven’t figure it out.

I prefer “Please ignore my fuck-up”.

123 sngnsgt  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:24:27pm

re: #102 MandyManners

Upding for Lerxst, Dirk & Pratt. ;-)

124 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:24:42pm

re: #114 MandyManners

I don’t get it.

BHO attended a church for 20 years in which Wright was a leader.

Now, pleaee apply that to the GOP.

The GOP has been in bed with religious fundamentalists at least since Reagan.

125 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:24:55pm

re: #102 MandyManners

Are you blind, deaf and dumb?

YOU DO!

For kicks and grins.

[Video]

Listen Hon, I am not; but if you keep inserting duplicate links in these threads Charles is going to be pissed because nobody will have time to post between them.

But the music is cool, even while I don’t get the dog part.

126 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:25:02pm

Whig time?

WHO ARE MODERN WHIGS?
Established in 1833, the Whigs are one of America’s oldest mainstream political parties. We were the original party of Abraham Lincoln and four other U.S. Presidents.

Revived by Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, the grassroots movement has quickly attracted tens of thousands of members. We represent moderate voters from all walks of life who cherry-pick between traditional Democratic and Republican ideals in what has been called the Modern Whig Philosophy. This Washington, DC-based national movement values common sense, rational solutions ahead of ideology and partisan bickering.

This includes general principles of fiscal responsibility, strong national defense and educational/scientific advancement.


Whig T-shirts!


OK, enough Ojoe.

BBL

127 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:25:46pm

re: #117 Charles

Marketing is definitely a big part of it, but I think you’re missing the point if you don’t acknowledge that people like James Dobson and Pat Robertson really believe what they say. It’s not just cynical capitalist exploitation - their audience buys the products and listens to the radio shows because they see that sincerity.

Are you saying that Leftists/Progressives are different?

128 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:25:57pm

re: #114 MandyManners

I don’t get it.

BHO attended a church for 20 years in which Wright was a leader.

Now, pleaee apply that to the GOP.

Wright is essentially powerless. While he has engaged in what could be called “unacceptable speech” it was limited to a very small congregation. There are similar congretations however the aggregate total does not equal that of the like of Dobson, et al. Strategically, Wright caused less harm for Obama than the harm that would be caused by a Dobson.

129 Bagua  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:26:37pm

re: #124 Conservative Moonbat

The GOP has been in bed with religious fundamentalists at least since Reagan.



Don’t get caught with a dead girl or a live preacher.

New Maxim

130 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:27:40pm

re: #128 Gus 802

Wright is essentially powerless. While he has engaged in what could be called “unacceptable speech” it was limited to a very small congregation. There are similar congretations however the aggregate total does not equal that of the like of Dobson, et al. Strategically, Wright caused less harm for Obama than the harm that would be caused by a Dobson.

Dobson is going to cause harm to Obama? I think you needed another sentence or two there.

131 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:28:11pm

re: #125 Naso Tang

Listen Hon, I am not; but if you keep inserting duplicate links in these threads Charles is going to be pissed because nobody will have time to post between them.

But the music is cool, even while I don’t get the dog part.

Oh, go pee up a twig.

“Hon”?

vvpphh

132 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:28:12pm

re: #127 MandyManners

Are you saying that Leftists/Progressives are different?

I’m pretty sure I didn’t write anything like that.

133 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:28:19pm

re: #116 Conservative Moonbat

What the hell does PIMF mean? I’ve been here since April and still haven’t figure it out.

Behold, the LGF Dictionary

134 Rich H  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:28:20pm

I guess Dobson must have missed WWII and the Cuban Missile Crisis.

135 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:28:31pm

re: #106 MandyManners

Antonio Gramsci.

Chew on that one.

His evil ilk are still at it. Here’s an article on their latest piece of vile stupidity:

Brothers in Marx

136 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:28:35pm

re: #130 Naso Tang

Dobson is going to cause harm to Obama? I think you needed another sentence or two there.

Yeah, I know. Lack of sleep.

Wright is less harmful to the DNC while Dobson is more harmful to the GOP.

137 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:28:58pm

re: #131 MandyManners

Oh, go pee up a twig.

“Hon”?

vvpphh

*smooch*

138 Interested and concerned CDN  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:29:09pm

re: #89 Charles

I don’t believe that.

139 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:29:10pm

And Wright has zero influence on the DNC. Dobson has a huge influence on the GOP.

140 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:30:17pm

re: #9 Liberally Conservative

I believe the religious right precisely realizes the slippery slope of theocracy, and they would like certain aspects of it, not as far as Iran goes, but certainly farther than the Constitution allows (although they won’t say that, of course).

Lots of them actually think the Constitution established the USA as a Christian nation.

The survey measuring attitudes toward freedom of religion, speech and the press found that 55% believe erroneously that the Constitution establishes a Christian nation. In the survey, which is conducted annually by the First Amendment Center, a non-partisan educational group, three out of four people who identify themselves as evangelical or Republican believe that the Constitution establishes a Christian nation. About half of Democrats and independents do.

It shows complete and utter ignorance of the Constitution to think that, and half the people think that.

141 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:30:28pm

re: #128 Gus 802

Wright is essentially powerless. While he has engaged in what could be called “unacceptable speech” it was limited to a very small congregation. There are similar congretations however the aggregate total does not equal that of the like of Dobson, et al. Strategically, Wright caused less harm for Obama than the harm that would be caused by a Dobson.

Good gravy.

Do you really belive that shit?

142 irish rose  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:30:55pm

re: #117 Charles

Marketing is definitely a big part of it, but I think you’re missing the point if you don’t acknowledge that people like James Dobson and Pat Robertson really believe what they say. It’s not just cynical capitalist exploitation - their audience buys the products and listens to the radio shows because they see that sincerity.

The gullible fools at the fundamentalist church that I used to attend think that James Dobson sits at the right hand of God. They consume every word that he says without question or fact-checking, and buy anything that has his name on it or in it as though every word contained therein is gospel.

143 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:31:12pm

re: #133 reine.de.tout

Behold, the LGF Dictionary

Which probably need substantial updating.

144 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:31:15pm

Good night, Lizards!

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:31:19pm

These people are why I say -

The 2nd Amendment: Guaranteeing separation of Church and State since 1791.

Sadly, too few of my fellow lefties understand that…

William

146 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:31:39pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Good gravy.

Do you really belive that shit?

I do. Wright is chump change compared to Dobson.

147 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:32:21pm

re: #34 Charles

Andrew Bolt takes the implicit racism of Michelle Malkin’s hyperventilation over that Alma Thomas painting, and makes it completely explicit: Artless Obamas.

Wow. Is this kind of thing more accepted in Australia?

Charles,

The Herald Sun is a Murdoch owned paper, it is said to have a right wing bias.
LINK

Remember in Oz:

Liberal = Right
Labor = Left

The columnist Andrew Bolt often takes controversial positions – John Pilger has described Bolt as “the lowest of journalism’s low, an extreme right wing and aggressively idiotic member of Murdoch’s dominant press group in Australia”.

Re: Harry Connick Junior and his recent issue on Oz TV.

We have racists in Australia, no doubt, we have our own indigunes people, we have treated them terribly.
It was a white mans burden, to show them how to be civilised, we are not over that yet…

I question whether our racisim if based in fear or hate, I lean towards fear, because they were different.

After the war 39-45, we needed to increase our population, like many other countries, we imported as many as we could that were white and spoke english.

We eventually allowed the olive skin europeans in, not sure who were the first, maybe greeks and italians, but we made little effort to welcome them.
Im sure they felt austrcised, and formed local areas where they lived looked after each other.

Not soon after more came from other nations, as they came, we seemed to become more accepting of the Italians and Greeks, and they joined with us to fear the next boatload from the next country.

And so it goes, seems now we are against the muslums…

Back to Harrie Connick Jr, if I may, the skit that was on TV was a reunion of a popular show from the 70s.
It was very successfull, we all grew up on it.
The skit that Harrie took offence to (righty so), was a skit that appeared way back when… Same doctors that preformed x years ago…
It was poor taste, racism maybe, for ozzies if it was about our indigunes people we would have called it racism, as it was not about people from our country I dont think that many here took offence.

We do seem to have a wierd humor… A funny bastard would be someone you admire.

I think it was in poor taste, I take no offence to anyone calling it racism.
Harrie was right, but note also that when the host Daryl Somers thought it caused offence he did apoliguse, live on TV during the show.

Its our ignorance of the world, Harrie called us out and good on him.

Thanks for the the venue Charles, keep up the great work you are doing…

Cheers from Oz

148 Irish Rose  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:32:27pm

re: #144 MandyManners

Good night, Lizards!

Is something bothering you tonight?

149 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:32:32pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Good gravy.

Do you really belive that shit?

See above.

BTW, love it when you talk dirty.

150 Boyo  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:32:36pm

re: #145 wlewisiii

what is that your fellow lefties dont understand?

151 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:32:37pm

And since Rick Springfield is guest-starring on Californication tonight:

Youtube Video
152 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:33:51pm

re: #116 Conservative Moonbat

What the hell does PIMF mean? I’ve been here since April and still haven’t figure it out.

For acronyms and such, you can always consult the infamous Urban Dictionary: [Link: www.urbandictionary.com…] .

example: PIMF

Acronym for: “Preview Is My Friend.”

It is seen in blog comments when a commentator notices a mistake in one of their previous posts and attempts to correct said mistake.

It is a lighthearted mea culpa.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:35:37pm

re: #114 MandyManners

I don’t get it.

BHO attended a church for 20 years in which Wright was a leader.

Now, pleaee apply that to the GOP.

I certainly wouldn’t make any excuses for Wright, nor for Obama’s long association with him. It appears that one of the defenses offered during the campaign, that Obama went to Wright’s church purely to advance his Chicago political career, is actually true. This was cynical and sleazy, to be sure, but it was not dangerous: The sincere acceptance of Wright’s detestable principles would have been dangerous. This is borne out by the ease with which Wright was tossed under the proverbial bus during the election campaign, and his ideology’s apparent lack of influence on the administration.

154 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:36:11pm

re: #128 Gus 802

Wright is essentially powerless. While he has engaged in what could be called “unacceptable speech” it was limited to a very small congregation. There are similar congratulations however the aggregate total does not equal that of to the like[s] of Dobson, et al. Strategically, Wright caused less harm for to Obama than the harm that would be caused to the GOP by Dobson.

There, fixed.

155 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:36:33pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

I think you’re right again.
You’re on a roll!

156 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:37:50pm

SoCons of the world unite!

You have nothing to lose but your minds!

Well - I guess that has already happened.

OK - how about this?

SoCons of the world unite!

You have nothing to lose but elections!

Well - I guess that keeps happening too.

Hmmm.

157 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:39:58pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

Pragmatism in politics is reality, but did Obama really think he was heading for the presidency when he listened to Wright’s crap all those years, or did he think he was heading for a lucrative council spot?

The cynic in me is coming out./

158 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:42:05pm

re: #89 Charles

They’ve found a greater threat now.

A black man in the White House.

The movie;
48 hoursmonths.
Eddie Murphy can play the lead.

From the trailer;
(Plot device has congress convening in a redneck bar)

“See this? It’s the Presidential Seal! I am your worst nightmare; a president with a line-item veto!”
159 freetoken  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:42:13pm

re: #5 Charles

… because Dobson was going to tell them not to vote for McCain because of his moderate stance on abortion.

Abortion was not, IMO, the breaking point here for Dobson to explicitly reject McCain. McCain had a fairly “pro-life” voting record, enough so that he would score very well on many pro-life “scorecards.”

So when Dobson came out so strongly against McCain I was puzzled… after all, abortion is Dobson’s signature issue, isn’t it?

I concluded that Dobson rejected McCain because he knew that he (Dobson, along with his fellow CNP members) could not control McCain; that is, McCain was/is clearly part of the “club” in the Senate and will work with those across the isle readily.

Dobson wants (it appears to me) an ideologue in the White House, and ideologue whose belief system is an accord with the CNP and who will readily listen to the CNP’s position on issues. McCain is too much of a wildcard to fit that role.

160 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:43:09pm

re: #150 Boyo

what is that your fellow lefties dont understand?

Too many are anti-gun.

William

161 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:43:30pm

Reverend Wright was just a race baiting huckster working a corner in Chicago. James Dobson works the whole country.

162 Danny  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:44:06pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

Castle Rock is Coors. And one of the 5 major contributors of social conservative foundations. Joe Coors was also a Bircher:

I have not looked into this, but can we really trust Dave Johnson of the Commonweal Institute on this? Or more importantly, his reference, which is an AFSCME web link that is now dead? Is there another source corroborating that Joe Coors was a Bircher?

163 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:44:34pm

re: #161 Mich-again

Reverend Wright was just a race baiting huckster working a corner in Chicago. James Dobson works the whole country.

Well said.

164 Linden Arden  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:44:45pm

re: #157 Naso Tang

Pragmatism in politics is reality, but did Obama really think he was heading for the presidency when he listened to Wright’s crap all those years, or did he think he was heading for a lucrative council spot?

The cynic in me is coming out./

Obama probably falls into the large group of church attendees who go for the community and marriage/funeral ceremonies.

That is the cynic in me coming out.

165 erraticsphinx  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:44:48pm

McCain’s gamble with Palin only hastened the demise of the social conservative movement in this country.

They saw it for what it is (or rather, what it has become):

Hypocritical anti-science revisionist liars.

Please, GTFO out of the GOP.

166 BlackFedora  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:47:23pm

I was sort of agreeing with what he had to say about Obama’s foreign policy. I really was.

However, Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party can have the religious fanatics. Seriously. Take all of them.

167 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:47:25pm

re: #161 Mich-again

Reverend Wright was just a race baiting huckster working a corner in Chicago. James Dobson works the whole country.

I really hope you’re being sarcastic.

How old were you during the 80s?

Ever heard of Liberation Theology

168 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:48:14pm

re: #117 Charles

Marketing is definitely a big part of it, but I think you’re missing the point if you don’t acknowledge that people like James Dobson and Pat Robertson really believe what they say. It’s not just cynical capitalist exploitation - their audience buys the products and listens to the radio shows because they see that sincerity.

They’ve spent a lifetime reading about the end-times in the Bible and warning other people that they could be just around the corner and the older they get the more they want to see it happen before they die. Just a theory.

169 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:48:23pm

re: #157 Naso Tang

Pragmatism in politics is reality, but did Obama really think he was heading for the presidency when he listened to Wright’s crap all those years, or did he think he was heading for a lucrative council spot?

The cynic in me is coming out./

Given the historical role of the church in black communities he pretty much had to join one of the more influential ones to have any shot at entering local politics. I doubt he had anything bigger than that in mind when he started.

170 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:48:42pm

re: #165 erraticsphinx

Agreed. I think the old school religious right doesn’t have a chance at making a comeback in this country any time soon. I just don’t think they’re viable with the voters.

171 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:48:55pm

re: #161 Mich-again

Reverend Wright was just a race baiting huckster working a corner in Chicago. James Dobson works the whole country.


Also, I urge you to look up ANTONIO GRAMSCI.

172 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:49:14pm

re: #161 Mich-again

Reverend Wright was just a race baiting huckster working a corner in Chicago. James Dobson works the whole country.

Rev. Wright can’t even come close to the reach of James Dobson:

As part of his role in the organization, he produces Focus on the Family, a daily radio program which according to the organization is broadcast in more than a dozen languages and on over 7,000 stations worldwide, and heard daily by more than 220 million people in 164 countries.[3][1] Focus on the Family is also carried by about sixty U.S. television stations daily.

220 million people in 164 countries.

173 erraticsphinx  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:49:16pm

re: #167 MandyManners

Everybody’s heard of that.

We’ve also heard of the vast and great influence it has in the Democratic Party, the head of the party has gone to their conferenc…OH wait.

174 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:49:35pm

re: #157 Naso Tang

Pragmatism in politics is reality, but did Obama really think he was heading for the presidency when he listened to Wright’s crap all those years, or did he think he was heading for a lucrative council spot?

The cynic in me is coming out./

I think you’re right. Keep in mind that Obama had been a member for many years before his national aspirations first started to develop. By that time, he was basically trapped, unable to alienate his Chicago base by leaving Wright’s church until he had enough national support not to need them anymore. He had to muddle his way through and hope for the best, which turned out to be the right course. Without the economic meltdown, it might well have cost Obama the election though.

175 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:49:40pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Also, I urge you to look up ANTONIO GRAMSCI.

Did you read the link I posted in reply, Mandy?

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:49:57pm

re: #8 brookly red

interesting to think that we may go to war if we are not already with another theocracy… I guess it’s the wrong one.

Theocracies don’t like each other—each theocracy thinks the other theocracy is eeevil.

They are always right, because theocracies just tend to the eeevil.

177 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:50:29pm

re: #167 MandyManners

How old were you during the 80s?

I graduated from HS the same year as Uncle Rico. My point was their respective reach and target audience. Wright spoke to dozens or maybe hundreds. Dobson, more like millions.

178 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:50:44pm

re: #159 freetoken

Abortion was not, IMO, the breaking point here for Dobson to explicitly reject McCain. McCain had a fairly “pro-life” voting record, enough so that he would score very well on many pro-life “scorecards.”

So when Dobson came out so strongly against McCain I was puzzled… after all, abortion is Dobson’s signature issue, isn’t it?

Don’t forget that McCain actively campaigned against the socon influence in the party when he was running against Bush in the primary. It’s what made me tempted to vote for the guy.

179 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:50:48pm

Good night!

180 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:51:02pm

re: #172 Charles

Rev. Wright can’t even come close to the reach of James Dobson:


Jinx.

181 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:51:48pm

re: #179 MandyManners

Sleep well.

182 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:52:38pm

re: #172 Charles

How many just here?
US, not Canada, or Mexico?

183 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:52:59pm

re: #165 erraticsphinx

McCain’s gamble with Palin only hastened the demise of the social conservative movement in this country.

They saw it for what it is (or rather, what it has become):

Hypocritical anti-science revisionist liars.

Please, GTFO out of the GOP.

Upding for “hope.”

I for one don’t see it as a demise. I see it as a realization of how insidious the SoCon movement is. But I can’t think of any fiscal conservative of any stature who could take these people on. Anyone who dares is either called a “country club republican” or a RINO. Listen to Limbaugh on any morning - there is a rigid ideological mold that one must fit and at no point can the SoCon agenda be questioned.

Just look at what has happened to Charles’ name in the wingnutosphere.

Absolute ideological conformity or expulsion. So how do Republicans evict them?

184 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:53:43pm

Barely even aware of people like Pat Robertson and James Dobson…
mean nothing to me.

185 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:53:45pm

re: #182 swamprat

How many just here?
US, not Canada, or Mexico?

Sixty U.S. television stations daily. I can’t find the numbers at the moment, but it’s definitely in the tens of millions.

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:53:58pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

I tried playing that one but was never much good at it. I’ve got slow reflexes that leave me fairly poor at fighter games.

Well, I was pretty young at the time. They don’t make good space-fighters anymore. Oh, how I miss the Wing Commander series.

187 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:54:02pm

re: #168 Mich-again

They’ve spent a lifetime reading about the end-times in the Bible and warning other people that they could be just around the corner and the older they get the more they want to see it happen before they die. Just a theory.

Sounds jut like the little short guy from Iran, doesn’t it?

188 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:54:17pm

re: #179 MandyManners

Good night!

Good night.

189 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:55:57pm

re: #184 Capitalist Tool

Barely even aware of people like Pat Robertson and James Dobson…
mean nothing to me.

Don’t advertise ignorance. It’s one of the rules you know.

190 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:57:11pm

re: #182 swamprat

Best I found was “10’s of millions”.

191 freetoken  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:57:34pm

re: #178 Conservative Moonbat

Don’t forget that McCain actively campaigned against the socon influence in the party when he was running against Bush in the primary. It’s what made me tempted to vote for the guy.

Indeed, that is at the root of the differences between McCain and Dobson et. al. You can look up McCain’s “scorecard” on right-to-life issues over several years here:

[Link: capwiz.com…]

And indeed McCain often gets good marks by the anti-abortionists. However, as you pointed out, McCain has made it quite clear that he is not in the pockets of the SoCons, even if his own conscience wrt abortion is similar to theirs.

192 bosforus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:57:37pm

re: #172 Charles

Is Focus on the Family something more than his relating of a one minute story, usually from his life, that I hear on my drive to work? Is what I hear just a snippet of a longer show?

193 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:57:58pm

re: #187 Naso Tang

Sounds jut like the little short guy from Iran, doesn’t it?

Similar in a way.

194 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:58:17pm

re: #189 Naso Tang

Don’t advertise ignorance. It’s one of the rules you know.

That isn’t ignorance- it’s willfully turning my back on them a long time ago.
Ok, ignore is the root of ignorance- I suppose you have a point.
I don’t watch Glenn Beck, either.

I am definitely a conservative, in the Teddy Roosevelt sense.

195 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:58:33pm

re: #185 Charles

TV and radio.
Quite an audience.

196 Jimmah  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:59:02pm

“Teh evul of librhulizum”. Words of terror. Only the wingiest of nuts can save Murca now./

197 erraticsphinx  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:59:05pm

re: #183 karmic_inquisitor

In this state, I have no idea how they will get evict the radicals.
No GOP politician will dare speak against them, you’re right.

I’m hopeful that a movement that takes pride in its ignorance and rejection of “elites” (read: science) will eventually consume itself into oblivion.

198 soxfan4life  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:59:29pm

re: #185 Charles

According to CampusProgress.org he had about 7 million followers in 2007.

[Link: www.campusprogress.org…]

199 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 7:59:45pm

re: #194 Capitalist Tool

I am definitely a conservative, in the Teddy Roosevelt sense.

Love that image. Horses, guns and all :=>

200 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:00:17pm

RS McCain busted supporting racist bar owner…
Georgia Oyster bar owner not telling the truth about being a racist

Mr. Oyster Bar owner in Georgia, who put out the sign, saying that Obama was going to “n***** Rig” the Healthcare system; is flatly lying about not being a racist.

…and how do I know this? The wonderful power of google….

Lookie what I found by simply doing a search of the place in question:

ATTN: ALL KLANSMEN – NO MATTER WHICH GROUP YOU BELONG TO.
——————————————————————
On the 4th of July weekend in Paulding County, Ga. We are planning on having the “Georgia White Pride Picnic/ Rally”. It will be held on the property of the Georgia Peach Oyster Bar and Museum (Pat Lanzo’s restaraunt).


…

Update: Not Surprisingly, Stacy McCain spins for the guy. Nuance.

McCain backpeddles…

OK, so if this is true, it clearly puts Lanzo on the far side of a clearly defined line between any sort of mere “political incorrectness” and outright hatemongering.

Paleo Pat’s research is appreciated; however, I disagree with his characterization that my own previous discussion of Lanzo’s restaurant as “spinning” for Lanzo. As I clearly said, “To explain is not to defend.” Obviously, I erred in failing to research Lanzo before endeavoring to explain him, which makes me guilty of carelessness, and I appreciate Paleo Pat clarifying the nature of Lanzo’s operation.

What J.B. Stoner promoted ought to be called by its right name: Evil. Did Lanzo know what he was getting himself into when he hosted Stoner’s events? I don’t know.

Busted.

201 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:00:32pm

re: #196 Jimmah

“Teh evul of librhulizum”. Words of terror. Only the wingiest of nuts can save Murca now./

Apparently it’s not even the evil of liberalism anymore. Now it includes the “evils of moderates!”

Can you imagine that? An ideology that finds moderates unacceptable?

202 erraticsphinx  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:01:07pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Great catch. What a POS.

203 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:02:01pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Apparently it’s not even the evil of liberalism anymore. Now it includes the “evils of moderates!”

Can you imagine that? An ideology that finds moderates unacceptable?

Your invisible sarc tags are leaking out all over the place.

204 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:02:24pm

re: #202 erraticsphinx

…And he’s still spinning. The bar owner his hosting clan rallies and McCain proposes that maybe he didn’t know what he was doing. What a douchebag.

205 sagehen  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:02:30pm

re: #157 Naso Tang

Pragmatism in politics is reality, but did Obama really think he was heading for the presidency when he listened to Wright’s crap all those years, or did he think he was heading for a lucrative council spot?

I think he thought he was heading for the Mayoralty.

206 freetoken  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:02:51pm

Indeed, NutDrooly ran a piece last spring after McCain locked up the nomination:

[Link: 74.125.95.132…]

Shortly after obtaining enough delegates to claim the 2008 Republican nomination for the presidency, John McCain spoke at the luncheon for a premier conservative group, the Council on National Policy, or CNP. He had about 40 minutes to win over both economic and social conservatives who had huge differences with him on policy, as defined by his voting record in the Senate and public pronouncements. Among these is his willingness to interfere with freedom of speech (McCain-Feingold) and also to give amnesty to millions of illegals in the United States. His relationship with the Deity is also questioned by many social conservatives.

[…]

Then he was asked about his relationship with God. The question was asked in such a manner that it would have allowed a man of faith to preach a message that would have won any atheist in the crowd to Christ. Instead of answering with a personal message of faith, however, he actually gave the faith testimony of another man. While McCain himself surely thought the answer was a knockout punch for the crowd, it actually left those of faith wondering exactly what his point was.

[…]

207 Jimmah  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:03:07pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Apparently it’s not even the evil of liberalism anymore. Now it includes the “evils of moderates!”

Can you imagine that? An ideology that finds moderates unacceptable?

Yes! That is seriously deranged. Of course he is talking to people who proclaimed themselves to be ‘extremists and proud of it’.

208 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:03:27pm

re: #183 karmic_inquisitor

I think it is too late for the GOP to evict them.

Instead, they are going to drive normal people out.

It is happening before our eyes.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:03:41pm

re: #21 cenotaphium

Remember that horrible Jesus painting One Nation Under God? Pharyngula alerted me to a serious improvement in One Nation Under Cthulhu. Incidentally, this also seems to be the preferred depiction of anything other than a Christian theocratic state, at least according to these nutters.

I like the message of the original painting. Jesus is showing everyone the Constitution, and they are realizing how important it is, and repenting of their political errors.

210 erraticsphinx  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:04:02pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

And he STILL manages to try to make excuses in the last sentence…The bar owner didn’t KNOW what was going on? Heh

What the hell was that klansman mannequin for? Karaoke?

Thank you Charles for blinging this slime to light. And you too, KT.
Decent people appreciate this.

211 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:04:10pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

He apologised.
Makes him better than
Atlas
fjordman
bnp
several others


Still smells, though.

212 Danny  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:04:20pm

re: #162 Danny

I have not looked into this, but can we really trust Dave Johnson of the Commonweal Institute on this? Or more importantly, his reference, which is an AFSCME web link that is now dead? Is there another source corroborating that Joe Coors was a Bircher?

OK I answered my own question. According to this link,

“In the 50’s Coors family funded the John Birch Society. From 1967 to 1972 Joseph Coors was a regent at the University of Colorado where he opposed the existence of campus groups such as UMAS (United Mexican American Students), BSU (Black Student Union), and SDS (Students for a Democratic Society). He was always known for distributing John Birch Society literature to fellow regents. He was quoted as saying the University should strive for quality students and not quantity.”

213 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:04:30pm

re: #205 sagehen

I think he thought he was heading for the Mayoralty.

Ain’t life a bitch?

214 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:06:07pm

re: #212 Danny

To this day I won’t drink Coors because of that association. Tasting like piss doesn’t help their cause much either.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:07:02pm

re: #40 bosforus

Any guesses as to the reaction if The Black Last Supper ended up in the white house?

No. They would hear the screaming on Mars.

216 sagehen  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:07:06pm

re: #174 Shiplord Kirel

Without the economic meltdown, it might well have cost Obama the election though.

And in hindsight, the economic meltdown would have guaranteed a McCain/Bloomberg ticket the election.

217 bluecheese  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:07:47pm

re: #206 freetoken


While McCain himself surely thought the answer was a knockout punch for the crowd, it actually left those of faith wondering exactly what his point was.

lol

218 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:07:49pm

re: #207 Jimmah

Yes! That is seriously deranged. Of course he is talking to people who proclaimed themselves to be ‘extremists and proud of it’.

Yep. “Crusaders” and Dominionists being a few. Another part of their “logic” is that they believe the lost because they are too moderate. Dobson’s angle is to promote the return to “that old time religion.”

219 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:07:55pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

RS McCain busted supporting racist bar owner…
Georgia Oyster bar owner not telling the truth about being a racist

Busted.

The new hero of the right wing blogosphere.

220 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:08:13pm

re: #216 sagehen

And in hindsight, the economic meltdown would have guaranteed a McCain/Bloomberg ticket the election.

That would have sucked, too.

221 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:08:34pm

Who would figure a bar owner with a racist sign out front, racist menu, and racist website(if I remember right) would be a kkk’er. That is a real shock.

You can’t write a script like this.

222 freetoken  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:09:54pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

Mars? At least to Rigel Kent, I’d wager.

223 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:10:18pm

re: #219 Charles

The new hero of the right wing blogosphere.

Why would anyone back that racist POS? I just can’t fathom how people can think that that will give them a political advantage.

224 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:11:31pm

Ye that labor…

225 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:12:23pm

Dobson has creeped me out for like 30 years, ever since I first heard him on the radio, with his stifling ideology. Ooh, I fled. It was like a psychological monkey grip on the brain if you listened very long.

My impression from college days.

226 iceweasel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:12:35pm

Haven’t yet read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned— Dobson’s influence over the GOP is nothing new. He was a member of the notorious Meese Commission under Reagan that produced the Meese report on pornography under Reagan:

Pat Califia on the report in the 80’s (warning, extreme lefty alert, but on this s/he was right:

Three of the commissioners are moral crusaders. Reverend Bruce Ritter, a Franciscan priest and ardent foe of Times Square, is the founder of Covenant House, a crisis center for runaways. As the vice-mayor and a council-member of Scottsdale, Arizona, Diane D. Cusack urged citizens to photograph patrons of the town’s only adult movie theater, copy down their license-plate numbers, and turn over this “evidence” to police. And Dr. James C. Dobson is a fundamentalist pediatrician with a syndicated right-wing radio program, “Focus on the Family.”

If that name Father Bruce Ritter vaguely sounds familiar to you, it should:

In December 1989, Ritter was accused by Kevin Kite, a former male prostitute and pornographic actor, of having sexual relations after meeting him in New Orleans and flying him to New York to live at Ritter’s expense. Several other men came forward with similar stories. Additional allegations surfaced concerning financial improprieties and administrative irregularities at the agency.

227 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:13:25pm

re: #210 erraticsphinx

What really pisses me off is that we didn’t catch that angle first. The lizards are slacking.

228 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:13:37pm

re: #221 swamprat

Who would figure a bar owner with a racist sign out front, racist menu, and racist website(if I remember right) would be a kkk’er. That is a real shock.

You can’t write a script like this.

And who would go out of his way to defend him?

:)

229 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:14:20pm

re: #162 Danny

I just googled “Joseph Coors” + “Birch Society”. There’s a lot of material there. The Coors family is apparently very much a big name in the Christian right.

230 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:14:26pm

re: #197 erraticsphinx

No GOP politician will dare speak against them, you’re right.

I think the GOP needs to first educate its constituents that the science of evolution can neither prove nor disprove that there is a creator. Too many people, maybe even most of them think that evolution implies atheism.

231 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:15:24pm

re: #211 swamprat

I’ll give him partial credit for acknowledging it. It’s interesting that he’ll packpeddle on supporting the bar owner but he won’t make any excuses for being repulsed by interracial marriages. Interesting, eh?

232 freetoken  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:15:30pm

BTW, that article at that link to WND I posted is about as clear of an example of an explicit wish for a theocratic-test as one can get. To base one’s endorsement of a leader on the adherence to the same sectarian beliefs of one’s own comes no clearer. Note that the writer wasn’t just requiring McCain to be a Christian, but to also have the same basic view of soteriology as himself, along with other beliefs.

233 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:16:19pm

The Religious Right and the John Birch Society

Alan Westin, in his essay on the John Birch Society, claims the Society “stands between the ‘hate’ right and the semi-respectable right.8 Birchers have recently been popping up in the public at Religious Right gatherings. Southern Baptist, Tim LaHaye, a Christian lobbyist, is linked to the group. LaHaye is a prime mover in the Religious Right. Joseph Coors was seen handing out JBS literature while he was on the board of regents at the University of Colorado. Joe Coors underwrites funding of many right-wing groups. R.J.Rushdoony, founder of Reconstructionism, was a John Birch Society member.

234 philosophus invidius  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:17:02pm

I like when Dobson sez: “I’m kinda a student of history.” I think he meant to say “I’m kinda vaguely familiar with a hackneyed cliche about Neville Chamberlain. I think I saw something about it on Fox News once.”

235 erraticsphinx  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:17:19pm

Our nation is under attack! Our values are being destroyed by the teh gays/darwinists/liberals/abortionists!
But mostly the gays! Prepare to celebrate your last legal Christmases!

CIVIL WAR.
Aiieee.

*cough* Click here to donate to fight this scourge!

/shorter far-right social cons

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:17:24pm

re: #169 Conservative Moonbat

Given the historical role of the church in black communities he pretty much had to join one of the more influential ones to have any shot at entering local politics. I doubt he had anything bigger than that in mind when he started.

Oprah had enough sense to leave.

237 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:17:31pm

Mayan experts state 2012 myths load of crap

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the “Curious? Ask an Astronomer” Web site, says people are scared.

“It’s too bad that we’re getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they’re too young to die,” Martin said. “We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn’t live to see them grow up.”

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes “predictions” from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: “Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?”

It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades - the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or “Planet X.” But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.

One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn’t survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

It’s unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However - shades of Indiana Jones - erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico’s National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, “He will descend from the sky.”

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 - including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

238 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:17:36pm

re: #221 swamprat

Who would figure a bar owner with a racist sign out front, racist menu, and racist website(if I remember right) would be a kkk’er. That is a real shock.

You can’t write a script like this.

Actually, they have written a script about it:

How to never win another national election, ever.

The proposed cast:

Michelle Malkin: The formerly-sane blogger
James Dobson: The hypocrite preacher who leads his flock astray.
Glen Beck: The crazy guy in the corner whose raving are mistaken for Gospel.

239 philosophus invidius  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:18:33pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

It’s the new respectable racism. The KKK is just too unseemly.

240 Danny  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:19:17pm

re: #229 Sharmuta

I just googled “Joseph Coors” + “Birch Society”. There’s a lot of material there. The Coors family is apparently very much a big name in the Christian right.

Thanks, I did the same. I was just trying to find a non-progressive reference, which I finally did (see my #212)

241 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:19:36pm

re: #235 erraticsphinx

Our nation is under attack! Our values are being destroyed by the teh gays/darwinists/liberals/abortionists!
But mostly the gays! Prepare to celebrate your last legal Christmases!

CIVIL WAR.
Aiieee.

*cough* Click here to donate to fight this scourge!

/shorter far-right social cons

It’s all THEIR fault!

Here I thought it was banks, insurance companies, credit card companies, and the IRS. Well, they’re the ones that churn my stomach on a daily basis.

242 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:19:51pm

re: #219 Charles

I just realized that’s an unfriendly blog I linked to…

From the MailBag

Good Lord, is this website run by conspiracy theorist Charles Johnson or something


…
As for your assumption that I am in the same league with that lying turd, Charles Foster Johnson, is absolutely asinine. Charles Fostor Johnson knowingly LIED about Pamela Geller. Saying that she KNOWINGLY went to a Conference that was also attended by some former Neo-Nazi’s. This was, and still is a god-damned baldfaced lie.

Sorry about that.

243 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:20:10pm

re: #239 philosophus invidius

It’s the new respectable racism. The KKK is just too unseemly.

white robes and hoods are just so retro.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:20:38pm

re: #194 Capitalist Tool

That isn’t ignorance- it’s willfully turning my back on them a long time ago.
Ok, ignore is the root of ignorance- I suppose you have a point.
I don’t watch Glenn Beck, either.

I am definitely a conservative, in the Teddy Roosevelt sense.

Teddy Roosevelt? Well, that explains it.

/disapproving Glenn Beck look

245 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:21:34pm

re: #243 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bald head, dock Martins and tats. Thats the modern look.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:21:36pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

SO Busted.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:22:47pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

…And he’s still spinning. The bar owner his hosting clan rallies and McCain proposes that maybe he didn’t know what he was doing. What a douchebag.

I invite the Klan to hang out at my place all the time without realizing what I’m doing. Scares the shit out of me when they show up, every time. No recollection whatsoever.

248 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:23:41pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

RSM’s backpedaling is BS. Less than a year ago RSM was shilling for that same guy at his own blog long before the N—-rig sign story.

Pat Lanzo insists he’s not a racist.
“I believe people are equal,” he says, “As long as they earn their keep as well as me.”
Nevertheless, the proprietor of The Peach bar and restaurant in Paulding County says that people often mistakenly assume he’s a racist.
The main reason, he says, are the signs he posts outside his restaurant. “Damn Yankees May Have Taken Our N—-rs But Not Our Guns,” said one. “Obama Gives Us Hope Dreams and Maybe A New Holiday — Thats My N—-r” read another.
“The minute someone says the N-word, you’re labeled racist,” he explains.
249 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:23:54pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

No. They would hear the screaming on Mars.

I think some of my students’ grandmothers have copies in their home, however.

250 erraticsphinx  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:24:17pm

re: #248 Mich-again

Woahhh. UBER BUSTED

251 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:24:26pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

SO Busted.

It was a typo. He meant Clamsmen, men who harvest and process shellfish.

/

252 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:24:33pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

I just realized that’s an unfriendly blog I linked to…

Sorry about that.

But don’t expect any of those people to wake up and see that their attacks against me were wrong, even after their new best friends are revealed to be ugly racist creeps.

253 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:24:43pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

I invite the Klan to hang out at my place all the time without realizing what I’m doing. Scares the shit out of me when they show up, every time. No recollection whatsoever.

It said something about a Grand Dragon. I thought it was a Chinese restaurant.

//

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:26:45pm

re: #245 Rightwingconspirator

Bald head, dock Martins and tats. Thats the modern look.

That’s almost retro, now. My darling rabbi, eighty-something and with a cute German accent, has complained that many young men these days who are perfectly nice, and not racists at all, wear the combat boots and the very short hair, and you can’t tell who’s a Nazi anymore.

255 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:27:35pm

And they can’t take that away.


Youtube Video
256 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:27:54pm

re: #251 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was a typo. He meant Clamsmen, men who harvest and process shellfish.

/

Must have been confusing when they showed up in their hoods, and not one of them could make a decent chowder.

257 philosophus invidius  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:29:05pm

re: #245 Rightwingconspirator

Bald head, dock Martins and tats. Thats the modern look.

What? That’s so, like, 1990s. Now they try to look normal and sometimes even “support” Israel.

258 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:29:16pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

That man seems unhinged.
And ther are quite a few examples of pam pandering pro-racist programs.

259 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:29:55pm

Mr. Dobson, I do really like

Rum, Romanism and Rebelllion.

So there.

In the final week of the campaign, Blaine’s campaign suffered a catastrophe. At a Republican meeting attended by Blaine, a group of New York preachers castigated the Mugwumps. Their spokesman, the Rev. Dr. Samuel Burchard, made this fatal statement: “We are Republicans, and don’t propose to leave our party and identify ourselves with the party whose antecedents have been rum, Romanism, and rebellion.” Blaine did not notice Burchard’s anti-Catholic slur, nor did the assembled newspaper reporters, but a Democratic operative did, and Cleveland’s campaign managers made sure that it was widely publicized. The statement energized the Catholic vote in New York City heavily against Blaine, costing him New York state and the election by the narrowest of margins.


Link. 1884 election.

Good night all.

260 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:30:23pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Must have been confusing when they showed up in their hoods, and not one of them could make a decent chowder.

They tried to do a clambake, but couldn’t get the clams to stay on the giant cross shapped bonfire they had set up.

261 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:30:37pm

re: #257 philosophus invidius

What? That’s so, like, 1990s. Now they try to look normal and sometimes even “support” Israel.

They figure it will be so much easier if the Jews are all in one place; that is, if the Jews concentrate themselves, if you know what I mean.

262 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:31:39pm

re: #257 philosophus invidius

Must be Hollywood throwbacks.

263 Banner  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:32:07pm

While I think our country is in some ‘danger’ I do not think President Obama is the ‘cause’, but really just another of the symptoms. WE the people are pretty much to blame and no extremists, from either end of the spectrum or either side of the Aisle are going to ‘save’ us. We’re pretty much doing this to ourselves by electing people who have no real skills or experience, who are exceedingly corrupt, and who do nothing but lie, just because they look good on TV and make promises that anyone with half a brain know they can not possibly keep.

Congress caused the S&L crisis years ago, but no one cared. The caused the mortgage crisis recently, but no one cared. They’re destroying our banking system, and so many other parts of our industry, but no one really cares. Heck, almost half the country doesn’t pay taxes, and the other half pays crippling amounts.

We’re allowing ourselves to be divided, we are blaming the successful for the fruits of their success, we are looking for handouts we are not entitled to, and we’re shirking responsibility every chance we get. I don’t blame Obama, I don’t blame Reid, I don’t blame Pelosi, and I don’t blame the Congress. I blame us for voting for these corrupt self aggrandizing morons with their self serving politics and their desire to promote themselves above the rest of us and live like a ruling class.

264 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:34:10pm

re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s almost retro, now. My darling rabbi, eighty-something and with a cute German accent, has complained that many young men these days who are perfectly nice, and not racists at all, wear the combat boots and the very short hair, and you can’t tell who’s a Nazi anymore.


Leave it to us old timers to paint them all with the same brush.

265 freetoken  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:34:25pm

Speaking of retail revanchism, the idea that the Tea Partiers want to, among other things, remake the GOP is now part of the MSM:

Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

While the energy of the anti-tax and anti-Big Government tea party movement may yet haunt Democrats in 2010, the first order of business appears to be remaking the Republican Party.

266 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:35:02pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

I like the message of the original painting. Jesus is showing everyone the Constitution, and they are realizing how important it is, and repenting of their political errors.

Seriously? Or were you missing a sarc tag? What about the message of Satan next to the professor holding the Origin of Species?

267 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:35:17pm

New model projects are always a bitch till you get the scheme down. 2 days now and I’ve only gotten 2 done

268 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:35:48pm

re: #248 Mich-again

RSM’s backpedaling is BS. Less than a year ago RSM was shilling for that same guy at his own blog long before the N—-rig sign story.

Well, isn’t that interesting. I suspect they might know each other.

269 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:37:27pm

re: #250 erraticsphinx

So just now McCain says..

OK, so if this is true, it clearly puts Lanzo on the far side of a clearly defined line between any sort of mere “political incorrectness” and outright hatemongering.

So then back in November 2008 when he wrote this..

I grew up in neighboring Douglas County and used to cover sports in Paulding County, and it’s not as bad as you might think from this article. But among some of the good ol’ boys there is a certain … obstreperous disdain for the niceties of political correctness, shall we say?

In response to this story..

Nevertheless, the proprietor of The Peach bar and restaurant in Paulding County says that people often mistakenly assume he’s a racist.
The main reason, he says, are the signs he posts outside his restaurant. “Damn Yankees May Have Taken Our N—-rs But Not Our Guns,” said one. “Obama Gives Us Hope Dreams and Maybe A New Holiday — Thats My N—-r” read another.
“The minute someone says the N-word, you’re labeled racist,” he explains.

What RSM is saying is that a hate speech sign in front of the restaurant featuring the N word is mere political incorrectness. And he wonders why Team Palin won’t grant him an interview.

270 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:37:28pm

re: #248 Mich-again

RSM’s backpedaling is BS. Less than a year ago RSM was shilling for that same guy at his own blog long before the N—-rig sign story.

These people are from a different planet. Or something.

271 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:39:03pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Well, isn’t that interesting. I suspect they might know each other.

Screen print captured for when that old post disappears.

272 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:39:29pm

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light

Matthew 11:28-30

273 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:40:11pm

re: #271 Mich-again

Screen print captured for when that old post disappears.

Good. It also proves that he was aware of the guy and what he was about long before this most recent incident. Nice catch.

274 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:40:20pm

re: #272 MandyManners

How about some Psalm 109!

275 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:40:26pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mayan experts state 2012 myths load of crap

I linked a video here a while ago where some old dude went on at length about the exact date of the end of the world. Apparently somebody used some form of christian numerology to pin point that date as October 21st, 2011.

So I guess we have less time then we thought.
/

276 freetoken  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:41:24pm

re: #269 Mich-again

So just now McCain says..

What RSM is saying is that a hate speech sign in front of the restaurant featuring the N word is mere political incorrectness. And he wonders why Team Palin won’t grant him an interview.


Yes, that is exactly what RSM means, “political incorrectness” == racist slander. Now you know why RSM bashes political correctness.

277 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:41:34pm

Hey Night Lizards!

What’s up?

278 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:41:58pm

re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth

I linked a video here a while ago where some old dude went on at length about the exact date of the end of the world. Apparently somebody used some form of christian numerology to pin point that date as October 21st, 2011.

So I guess we have less time then we thought.
/


Oh, great. There goes my birthday party.

279 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:42:37pm

I like old time religion.
I really do.
As long as it is not 1958 alabama small town white robed pointy hood religion.

280 Jack Burton  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:44:34pm

re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth

I linked a video here a while ago where some old dude went on at length about the exact date of the end of the world. Apparently somebody used some form of christian numerology to pin point that date as October 21st, 2011.

So I guess we have less time then we thought.
/

Funny, anyone using numerology for anything else would be said to be practicing witchcraft by that crowd.

281 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:45:14pm

The End of the World is coming!!! The End of the World is coming!!!

—Chicken Little

282 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:45:19pm

re: #277 ggt

Hey Night Lizards!

What’s up?

ggt.
Howdy!
Not many night lizards around just now, it seems.
And for us “day” lizards, it’s about time to get our beauty sleep.

283 vanderloon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:45:32pm

I am aware of all internet traditions and also of wingnut conventions in which placing something in quotes or in a blockquote means that your are quoting that person. Also the wingnut tradition of denying you said even when presented with photos, videos, google caches, and a subpoena from your mother.

It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.

284 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:45:50pm

re: #273 Killgore Trout

I think it helps define what he thinks is the boundary between what is merely politically incorrect and what is full blown, oh you can’t say that in public!

285 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:45:58pm

The end of the world can’t come yet. I haven’t lost enough weight and I don’t want to be a fat corpse!

—ggt

286 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:46:21pm

re: #282 reine.de.tout

ggt.
Howdy!
Not many night lizards around just now, it seems.
And for us “day” lizards, it’s about time to get our beauty sleep.

I’m going to be in and out until the family settles for the night.

glad to see you!

287 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:46:56pm

re: #283 vanderloon

I am aware of all internet traditions and also of wingnut conventions in which placing something in quotes or in a blockquote means that your are quoting that person. Also the wingnut tradition of denying you said even when presented with photos, videos, google caches, and a subpoena from your mother.

It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.

What WHO is about?

288 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:46:59pm

re: #285 ggt

The end of the world can’t come yet. I haven’t lost enough weight and I don’t want to be a fat corpse!

—ggt

I only hope my hair is done to perfection.

289 avspatti  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:47:08pm

As a Christian, I do not want a theocracy here in our country. However, I would like to see an increase in morality, and honesty, which are going downhill fast. Less focus on superficiality (see reality TV etc.) and materialism. More educational focus on challenging subjects and less on ‘self-esteem’. More (some?) statesmanship in government; less corruption. More focus on true truth; less on ‘image is everything’. The lack of seriousness and honorable behavior is the reason I see America in great peril.

290 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:47:35pm

re: #283 vanderloon

I am aware of all internet traditions and also of wingnut conventions in which placing something in quotes or in a blockquote means that your are quoting that person. Also the wingnut tradition of denying you said even when presented with photos, videos, google caches, and a subpoena from your mother.

It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.

um - are you talking to someone in particular?
or about anything in particular?
Or just thinking out loud?

291 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:47:40pm

re: #283 vanderloon

Also the wingnut tradition of denying you said even when presented with photos, videos, google caches, and a subpoena from your mother.

Whats the opposite of above me?

292 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:48:18pm

re: #288 reine.de.tout

I only hope my hair is done to perfection.

You can arrange for that. Just pre-pay your favorite cosmatician! Assuming she will be one of the ones around at the end.

293 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:49:10pm

re: #291 Mich-again

Whats the opposite of above me?

under you

294 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:49:36pm

re: #285 ggt

The end of the world can’t come yet. I haven’t lost enough weight and I don’t want to be a fat corpse!

—ggt

One of my favorite bumper stickers.. In case of rapture.. Can I have your car?

295 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:50:01pm

re: #293 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

under you

Below me.

296 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:50:16pm

re: #289 avspatti

As a Christian, I do not want a theocracy here in our country. However, I would like to see an increase in morality, and honesty, which are going downhill fast. Less focus on superficiality (see reality TV etc.) and materialism. More educational focus on challenging subjects and less on ‘self-esteem’. More (some?) statesmanship in government; less corruption. More focus on true truth; less on ‘image is everything’. The lack of seriousness and honorable behavior is the reason I see America in great peril.

I think *most* of the immorality we see is for media purposes —it sells. The majority of the people in the country ARE moral and just love to gossip. The media loves to provide the object of their gossip.

Also remember, that which makes the news is usually the exception not the rule. That is why it sells.

297 Jimmah  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:50:46pm

re: #283 vanderloon

I am aware of all internet traditions and also of wingnut conventions in which placing something in quotes or in a blockquote means that your are quoting that person. Also the wingnut tradition of denying you said even when presented with photos, videos, google caches, and a subpoena from your mother.

It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.

It seems to me that your post is, well, sort of brilliant!

298 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:51:04pm

re: #289 avspatti

As a Christian, I do not want a theocracy here in our country. However, I would like to see an increase in morality, and honesty, which are going downhill fast. Less focus on superficiality (see reality TV etc.) and materialism. More educational focus on challenging subjects and less on ‘self-esteem’. More (some?) statesmanship in government; less corruption. More focus on true truth; less on ‘image is everything’. The lack of seriousness and honorable behavior is the reason I see America in great peril.

I would also like to see an increase in morality, honesty, ethical and honorable behavior.

Comes down to parents, I believe. Also, and this isn’t going to be a popular notion - a kid’s “job” is to go to school, behave, take the coursework seriously, and they would seriously be helped in this if schools could master the art of imposing discipline, without having parents raise a ruckus and sue.

299 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:52:20pm

re: #292 ggt

You can arrange for that. Just pre-pay your favorite cosmatician! Assuming she will be one of the ones around at the end.

It’s odd, but one of the things I’ve on occasion worried about - suppose I get sick and am too ill to even go get my hair done? I would die with bad hair. How silly is that?

300 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:52:25pm

re: #289 avspatti

However, I would like to see an increase in morality, and honesty, which are going downhill fast.

My 3 kids are a lot better behaved citizens than I was at their respective ages. I’m doing my part.

301 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:52:29pm

re: #294 Mich-again

One of my favorite bumper stickers.. In case of rapture.. Can I have your car?

Whenever I see the bumpersticker that says “This vehicle unmanned in the event of Rapture” I think “Pretentious Asshole behind wheel” would be more appropraite.

302 irish rose  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:52:52pm

re: #272 MandyManners

Is there a reason why you keep posting this verse over and over again, and why are you shouting?

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:53:06pm

re: #266 cenotaphium

Seriously? Or were you missing a sarc tag? What about the message of Satan next to the professor holding the Origin of Species?

Sarc tag. Sorry.

304 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:53:18pm

re: #296 ggt

I think *most* of the immorality we see is for media purposes —it sells. The majority of the people in the country ARE moral and just love to gossip. The media loves to provide the object of their gossip.

Also remember, that which makes the news is usually the exception not the rule. That is why it sells.

I think you’re right. At least, I know this applies to most of the folks I know.

305 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:53:28pm

re: #298 reine.de.tout

I would also like to see an increase in morality, honesty, ethical and honorable behavior.

Comes down to parents, I believe. Also, and this isn’t going to be a popular notion - a kid’s “job” is to go to school, behave, take the coursework seriously, and they would seriously be helped in this if schools could master the art of imposing discipline, without having parents raise a ruckus and sue.

It would also be nice if parents produced children who did behave. It’s a two-way street. I also think there are two distinct school situations. Around Chicagoland, it seems that most suburban schools don’t have much discipline problem, but the City and some suburban schools do. It don’t think it’s a *race* problem, but a *culture* problem. I think we are paying for it — welfare kids.

306 vanderloon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:54:04pm

re: #297 Jimmah

It seems to me that your post is, well, sort of brilliant!

re: #290 reine.de.tout

um - are you talking to someone in particular?
or about anything in particular?
Or just thinking out loud?

I have an IQ of 167. Some people are not aware of all internets traditions. Can you please expand on the idea that your propose that putting something in blockquotes is a far thing to do. KTHANXBAI

307 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:54:15pm

re: #299 reine.de.tout

It’s odd, but one of the things I’ve on occasion worried about - suppose I get sick and am too ill to even go get my hair done? I would die with bad hair. How silly is that?

Not that silly. Hair is important.

I’m upset that no one will see my shoes in the casket. I love my shoes.

308 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:54:19pm

re: #283 vanderloon
You can post the number of the comment, or the name of the commenter.
You can left click while dragging your mouse, hit the “copy” function, then click on a blank space and use the “paste” function.
You can hit the part near the comment that says “reply” or “quote” and it will set up automatically.
Try out the buttons and little boxes, this is the Cadillac of blogs.

309 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:54:46pm

re: #301 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whenever I see the bumpersticker that says “This vehicle unmanned in the event of Rapture” I think “Pretentious Asshole behind wheel” would be more appropraite.

Thats why the other one is so funny to me.

310 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:54:54pm

re: #306 vanderloon

I have an IQ of 167. Some people are not aware of all internets traditions. Can you please expand on the idea that your propose that putting something in blockquotes is a far thing to do. KTHANXBAI

Ah, we have someone who is proud of their IQ. Haven’t we been down this road before?

311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:55:06pm

re: #280 ArchangelMichael

Funny, anyone using numerology for anything else would be said to be practicing witchcraft by that crowd.

Obviously they do not consider their “biblical math” prophecies to be numerology, which is why I make a point of using that term.

312 vanderloon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:55:19pm

re: #308 swamprat

You can post the number of the comment, or the name of the commenter.
You can left click while dragging your mouse, hit the “copy” function, then click on a blank space and use the “paste” function.
You can hit the part near the comment that says “reply” or “quote” and it will set up automatically.
Try out the buttons and little boxes, this is the Cadillac of blogs.

Thank you. I am aware of all intertubes traditions but not all LGF traditions.

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:55:23pm

re: #285 ggt

The end of the world can’t come yet. I haven’t lost enough weight and I don’t want to be a fat corpse!

—ggt

From what I saw of the preview of that 2012 movie, I don’t think anyone’s going to get a chance to clean up, let alone identify, the bodies. It’ll be OK.

314 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:55:39pm

re: #310 ggt

Ah, we have someone who is proud of their IQ. Haven’t we been down this road before?

I smell a yboM.

315 jaunte  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:56:02pm

re: #310 ggt

I think vanderloon is giving a nod to high IQ tradition there.

316 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:56:34pm

re: #305 ggt

It would also be nice if parents produced children who did behave. It’s a two-way street. I also think there are two distinct school situations. Around Chicagoland, it seems that most suburban schools don’t have much discipline problem, but the City and some suburban schools do. It don’t think it’s a *race* problem, but a *culture* problem. I think we are paying for it — welfare kids.

Quite Concur.

317 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:56:56pm

re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist

From what I saw of the preview of that 2012 movie, I don’t think anyone’s going to get a chance to clean up, let alone identify, the bodies. It’ll be OK.

I’ve seen the trailers, it just looks ridiculous.

318 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:57:00pm

re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist

From what I saw of the preview of that 2012 movie, I don’t think anyone’s going to get a chance to clean up, let alone identify, the bodies. It’ll be OK.

I saw one of those “End Times” movies once. Very wierd. The only people left, were alive and miserable —no fresh waterto drink, it was all blood. All the “good” people just disappeared.

319 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:57:52pm

re: #310 ggt

Ah, we have someone who is proud of their IQ. Haven’t we been down this road before?

CharlyeSarte

320 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:58:16pm

re: #314 Mich-again

I smell a yboM.

You’d think someone *that smart* could figure it out on their own. I did.

321 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:58:29pm

News Flash
Mayan calendar edge markings just translated
2010 “Start Carving another calendar, these things take 2 years to chisel out”.

322 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:58:52pm

I finally got around to watching this one…
Sell The Vatican, Feed The World

Youtube Video


Pretty damn funny.
(mild language warning)

323 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:58:58pm

re: #306 vanderloon

I have an IQ of 167. Some people are not aware of all internets traditions. Can you please expand on the idea that your propose that putting something in blockquotes is a far thing to do. KTHANXBAI

“tis a far far better thing I do than I ahve ever done before!”
‘k thanks bye

324 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:59:10pm

re: #319 reine.de.tout

CharlyeSarte

lovely! There was some one else —really good BBQ!

326 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:59:16pm

re: #312 vanderloon

Thank you. I am aware of all intertubes traditions but not all LGF traditions.

Did you ever get that muscle shirt that Jim Treacher suggested for you before you go clubbing?

327 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:59:21pm

re: #320 ggt

You’d think someone *that smart* could figure it out on their own. I did.

I did too, and without an IQ anywhere near 167.

328 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 8:59:38pm

re: #312 vanderloon

Thank you. I am aware of all intertubes traditions but not all LGF traditions.

The most Socky McSock post ever. Ha.

329 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:00:19pm

re: #319 reine.de.tout

CharlyeSarte

Haha! Excellent quote! I really love a guy who knows how to conflate IQ with intelligence.

330 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:00:42pm

re: #329 cenotaphium

Haha! Excellent quote! I really love a guy who knows how to conflate IQ with intelligence.

OMG you should have seen the rest of his posts.
Lovely.

331 Jimmah  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:01:00pm

re: #314 Mich-again

I smell a yboM.

I’ve noticed that sometimes people tend to get that smell mixed up with the scent of well done parody…

[Link: lefarkins.blogspot.com…]

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:01:06pm

re: #298 reine.de.tout

I would also like to see an increase in morality, honesty, ethical and honorable behavior.

Comes down to parents, I believe. Also, and this isn’t going to be a popular notion - a kid’s “job” is to go to school, behave, take the coursework seriously, and they would seriously be helped in this if schools could master the art of imposing discipline, without having parents raise a ruckus and sue.

Truer words were never spoken. I work pretty closely with our dean at my school, and what some of these parents come up with—wow.

333 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:01:12pm

bbiab

334 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:01:40pm

2012 Question
Will I have to buy a new computer again?
\

335 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:01:40pm

re: #315 jaunte

I think vanderloon is giving a nod to high IQ tradition there.

I’m suspecting we’re being tricked.
I have suspicions about our suspicions …

336 jaunte  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:02:16pm

After seeing some discussion of the book here, I’m in the middle of reading Jeff Sharlet’s The Family. Highly recommended for anyone interested in the thread subject.
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

337 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:02:26pm

All your internet traditions are belong to us.

338 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:02:32pm

Gerard Van der Leun sez:

I am aware of all internet traditions and also of literary conventions in
which placing something in quotes or in a blockquote means that your are
quoting that person.

But here you are not.

It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.

Can you please expand on the idea your propose that putting something in
blockquotes that does not appear at the linked item is a fair thing to do.

Spoken like a true masturbatory wanker.

339 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:02:36pm

re: #331 Jimmah

A Moby is a lefty who poses as an idiotic RWNJ to make them all look shtoopid. a yboM is the opposite.

340 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:02:37pm

re: #310 ggt

Ah, we have someone who is proud of their IQ. Haven’t we been down this road before?

On the internets, everyone has multiple advanced degrees, an IQ of ~160 and an 8-inch wang. It’s true.

341 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:02:42pm

re: #325 Charles

Vanderleun wrote: “I am Aware of All Internet Traditions”In response, the author explained the practice of using “shorter” summary as a common blogging convention, to which Vanderleun replied in part: I am aware of all internet traditions. Due to both conceited and idiotic nature of the comment, lulz ensued among the readers.

342 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:02:58pm

re: #312 vanderloon

Thank you. I am aware of all intertubes traditions but not all LGF traditions.

Aww, no fun! You’re just aping an internet meme.

..when you get your schtick from ED, it’s bad.

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:03:03pm

re: #305 ggt

It would also be nice if parents produced children who did behave. It’s a two-way street. I also think there are two distinct school situations. Around Chicagoland, it seems that most suburban schools don’t have much discipline problem, but the City and some suburban schools do. It don’t think it’s a *race* problem, but a *culture* problem. I think we are paying for it — welfare kids.

Although, I’m working at a private school where the parents are paying beaucoup bucks, and they still go on the attack every damn time their kid is in trouble.

344 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:04:14pm

I think loon is a bot/ Artificial Intellect

345 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:04:23pm

re: #336 jaunte

After seeing some discussion of the book here, I’m in the middle of reading Jeff Sharlet’s The Family. Highly recommended for anyone interested in the thread subject.
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Thanks for the endorsement, been thinking I need to pick that up.

346 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:04:31pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

Truer words were never spoken. I work pretty closely with our dean at my school, and what some of these parents come up with—wow.

SFZ - I think you teach at a Catholic school?
I saw the same thing at my daughter’s Catholic grammar school.
Some of the parents should have been expelled.
when my daughter came home with a “it’s not faiiir!”, ‘cause she got caught and the others didn’t, I told her tough luck - she needs to pay attention to who she’s hanging out with and doing the “follow the leader” stuff, and if she messes up, she pays the penalty. End of it for me. Maybe it wasn’t fair - life isn’t fair. And that’s that.


There were some parents who would fight tooth and nail to keep their kids record “clean”.

347 jaunte  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:04:47pm

re: #345 bratwurst

It’s quite an eye-opener.

348 vanderloon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:05:02pm

re: #328 Mich-again

The most Socky McSock post ever. Ha.

I am aware of all internet traditions and also of wingnut conventions in
which placing something in quotes or in a blockquote means that your are
quoting that person.

But here you are not. What is this sock item of which you speak?

It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:05:08pm

re: #307 ggt

Not that silly. Hair is important.

I’m upset that no one will see my shoes in the casket. I love my shoes.

Have you considered having your shoes put ON the casket, as part of a display of some sort? Or having your shoes collection flashed onscreen as the eulogy is spoken?

After my ex-landlady’s husband died, she had a block party and had everyone drink up his wine cellar and smoke his cigars. It was a lovely way to remember him.

350 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:05:13pm

re: #340 negativ

On the internets, everyone has multiple advanced degrees, an IQ of ~160 and an 8-inch wang. It’s true.

There has to be at least one guy out there crying himself to sleep over why nobody believes his life story..

351 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:05:29pm

I dedicate this song to Gerard:

Robyn Hitchcock - Balloon Man

Youtube Video

Something’s always blowing up in his face.

352 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:05:50pm

re: #344 swamprat

I think loon is a bot/ Artificial Intellect

No, no. Intellect yes. Artificial, no.
I think I may have it figured out.
We’ll see.

353 vanderloon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:06:13pm

Back later. This cupholder thing that slides out of my computer just broke.

354 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:06:29pm

Traditional cat

355 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:06:51pm

re: #309 Mich-again

Thats why the other one is so funny to me.

I have seriously considered that people who are saved should have to give up their licenses. I realize it’s hard, and I know at least one friend of mine will be very inconvenienced, but the U.S. is going to get hit badly with this Rapture-car-crash problem.

356 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:06:55pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you considered having your shoes put ON the casket, as part of a display of some sort? Or having your shoes collection flashed onscreen as the eulogy is spoken?

After my ex-landlady’s husband died, she had a block party and had everyone drink up his wine cellar and smoke his cigars. It was a lovely way to remember him.

That’s all well and good for ggt’s shoes.
What are we gonna do about my hair?

357 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:08:19pm

re: #353 vanderloon

Back later. This cupholder thing that slides out of my computer just broke.

Wow.
Your sentences suddenly make sense.

358 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:08:28pm

re: #348 vanderloon

I am aware of all internet traditions and also of wingnut conventions in
which placing something in quotes or in a blockquote means that your are
quoting that person.

But here you are not. What is this sock item of which you speak?

It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.

LOLOLOL stop please I can’t take it anymore

359 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:08:40pm

re: #356 reine.de.tout

That’s all well and good for ggt’s shoes.
What are we gonna do about my hair?

Stuffed, mounted and placed in the corner as a conversation peice?

360 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:09:17pm

re: #317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’ve seen the trailers, it just looks ridiculous.

I does, doesn’t it? My husband liked the look of it, but he just like stuff blowing up. Special effects sucker.

361 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:11:21pm

re: #331 Jimmah

I’ve noticed that sometimes people tend to get that smell mixed up with the scent of well done parody…

[Link: lefarkins.blogspot.com…]

And some of us are just clueless.
Lacking a 167 IQ and all.

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:11:37pm

re: #321 Rightwingconspirator

News Flash
Mayan calendar edge markings just translated
2010 “Start Carving another calendar, these things take 2 years to chisel out”.

My 2009 calender just ENDS on December 31st. WHAT DOES THE SIERRA CLUB KNOW THAT THEY’RE NOT SHARING WITH US?

363 John Neverbend  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:12:37pm

re: #30 Etaoin Shrdlu

What the word before “parenting” around 3:47? I can’t make it out.

”..and will speak with conviction about the institutions of marriage and parenting..”

It’s the first time I’ve heard the word “conservative” pronounced as “conservateeve”.

364 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:12:45pm

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

Quick, check the SnapOn Tools Calendar!!!

365 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:13:33pm

re: #361 reine.de.tout

And some of us are just clueless.
Lacking a 167 IQ and all.

Me too. Sometimes I catch up, later. Other times, I don’t.
(PS, your hair’s going to look windswept wonderful! Stop worrying!)

366 irish rose  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:13:50pm

I’m off to read a couple of chapters before bed.
Night all.

367 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:14:12pm

re: #230 Mich-again

I think the GOP needs to first educate its constituents that the science of evolution can neither prove nor disprove that there is a creator. Too many people, maybe even most of them think that evolution implies atheism.

Coming back online after watching Discovering Ardi, this prompts me to comment on how sad it is that none of those creationists will ever be able to appreciate, assuming they don’t simply decide it is devil work, what scientific thinking is about.

A creator or not, they need a creators that is in their image, not the other way around.

368 Jimmah  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:14:17pm

re: #361 reine.de.tout

And some of us are just clueless.
Lacking a 167 IQ and all.

I must admit…it helped for me that I was already aware of this particular internet tradition…;-)

369 Ray in TX  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:14:48pm

re: #340 negativ

On the internets, everyone has multiple advanced degrees, an IQ of ~160 and an 8-inch wang. It’s true.

Let me make a comment about online IQ tests. All of the internet IQ tests will tell you that you are super smart. I’ve seen them enough of them to know; the questions are pretty simple.

Why would they do that? They are serving up ads with every page hit on the 15 pages you need to hit to take the test. If they tell you that you have a high IQ, you will be more likely to convince someone you know to take the test (so that you can lord your higher score over them).

I have seen people that I *know* are not that intelligent (because I’ve known them for years) and watch them fumble their way to a 120-130 IQ score on an internet test.

If you actually send money for the paper certification or whatever else they’re selling — deduct 30 points from your score!

370 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:15:45pm

re: #368 Jimmah

I must admit…it helped for me that I was already aware of this particular internet tradition…;-)

And I am quite happily amused to be discovering this internet tradition tonight.

371 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:16:40pm

re: #368 Jimmah

I must admit…it helped for me that I was already aware of this particular internet tradition…;-)

It took my a while to figure out that he was kidding. I think that means I should turn in. I need to get some extra sleep tonight. Good night, all.

372 John Neverbend  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:16:50pm

re: #306 vanderloon

I have an IQ of 167.

“Hats off gentlemen, a genius!”

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:17:02pm

re: #346 reine.de.tout

SFZ - I think you teach at a Catholic school?
I saw the same thing at my daughter’s Catholic grammar school.
Some of the parents should have been expelled.
when my daughter came home with a “it’s not faiiir!”, ‘cause she got caught and the others didn’t, I told her tough luck - she needs to pay attention to who she’s hanging out with and doing the “follow the leader” stuff, and if she messes up, she pays the penalty. End of it for me. Maybe it wasn’t fair - life isn’t fair. And that’s that.


There were some parents who would fight tooth and nail to keep their kids record “clean”.

Yes, I’m at a Catholic school. Some of our parents are off the charts.

Some are great, but we never meet them, because their kids get a 3.00 GPA, wear the uniform correctly, and go to their detention without complaining when they are late. They do not do drugs, get into fights, bully each other, or cut class to make out with their significant others. I’m not sure what these parents are doing. I keep watching them to figure out how they differ from the parents who are in the dean’s office, crying because their kid got caught, and life is unfair.

374 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:17:08pm

re: #365 Floral Giraffe

Me too. Sometimes I catch up, later. Other times, I don’t.
(PS, your hair’s going to look windswept wonderful! Stop worrying!)

heheh.
Isn’t that a silly thing to worry about?
I don’t know why it sticks in my head.
I’m not really particularly silly or vain.
Weird.

375 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:17:32pm

re: #369 Ray in TX

Let me make a comment about online IQ tests. All of the internet IQ tests will tell you that you are super smart. I’ve seen them enough of them to know; the questions are pretty simple.

Why would they do that? They are serving up ads with every page hit on the 15 pages you need to hit to take the test. If they tell you that you have a high IQ, you will be more likely to convince someone you know to take the test (so that you can lord your higher score over them).

I have seen people that I *know* are not that intelligent (because I’ve known them for years) and watch them fumble their way to a 120-130 IQ score on an internet test.

If you actually send money for the paper certification or whatever else they’re selling — deduct 30 points from your score!

Reminds me of this guy who wac curious about admissions procedures for an online “Honor Society”

376 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:18:27pm

re: #306 vanderloon

I have an IQ of 167. Some people are not aware of all internets traditions. Can you please expand on the idea that your propose that putting something in blockquotes is a far thing to do. KTHANXBAI

PIMF

377 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:19:03pm

re: #350 cenotaphium

There has to be at least one guy out there crying himself to sleep over why nobody believes his life story..

No, he’s just happily picking up chicks and working in infotech. No worries.

378 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:19:20pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, I’m at a Catholic school. Some of our parents are off the charts.

Some are great, but we never meet them, because their kids get a 3.00 GPA, wear the uniform correctly, and go to their detention without complaining when they are late. They do not do drugs, get into fights, bully each other, or cut class to make out with their significant others. I’m not sure what these parents are doing. I keep watching them to figure out how they differ from the parents who are in the dean’s office, crying because their kid got caught, and life is unfair.

That would be my kid then, and now.
She’s spoiled rotten in some ways.
BUT - we have never “fixed” her problems for her. They are hers to deal with. And she does.

379 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:20:30pm

re: #369 Ray in TX

I have seen people that I *know* are not that intelligent (because I’ve known them for years) and watch them fumble their way to a 120-130 IQ score on an internet test.

This is a dangerous line of thinking. Their apparent intelligence has very little to do with how well they will score on an IQ test - even a legitimate one. This has always been the problem with IQ tests; essentially they measure how good you are at doing.. well, IQ tests. The only way they become useful is when they are normalized through intense testing and study, as the relative test scores then become the data point (this is why you can’t take an IQ score from one test and compare with another).

Maybe you knew this and I misread you, but it’s a common mistake people make regarding IQ tests. As a personal anecdote, I’ve seen people I’ve thought intelligent fail miserably, and vice versa.

380 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:20:39pm

re: #356 reine.de.tout

That’s all well and good for ggt’s shoes.
What are we gonna do about my hair?

Well, they’ll do it nicely at the funeral home, I’m sure. What’s your biggest worry about it?

381 goanna  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:21:00pm

re: #34 Charles

Ergh. Andrew Bolt is a wanker. He’s a one of the right wing blowhards in this country and a big climate change denier.

382 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:23:06pm

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

Shit! My calendar ends on October 31st 2009! I am so screwed, I don’t even have enough time to… wait… *phwew* false alarm, there’s another page behind that one. We’re all gonna die in November.

383 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:23:19pm

re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, they’ll do it nicely at the funeral home, I’m sure. What’s your biggest worry about it?

My biggest worry for awhile, honestly, was that I would be ill for a long time and not be able to go get my hair done. WTF was that “worry” all about? I have no clue. And actually, I’m over it.

Looking for something new to worry about. any suggestions?

384 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:23:59pm

re: #379 cenotaphium

I tell myself as I get older I get wiser, not smarter. Sounds good to me anyway.

385 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:24:09pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

Although, I’m working at a private school where the parents are paying beaucoup bucks, and they still go on the attack every damn time their kid is in trouble.

Oh, the Whiners. So sorry you are working with them.

386 John Neverbend  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:24:52pm

re: #379 cenotaphium

The only way they become useful is when they are normalized through intense testing and study, as the relative test scores then become the data point (this is why you can’t take an IQ score from one test and compare with another).

Does this include tests like GMAT and LSAT?

387 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:25:24pm

re: #374 reine.de.tout

I live with a “silly worryier”.
Was going to have a couple of friends over to see the garden. She was planning how to get the punchbowl & matching cups ready. For gardening folks, you know, the ones in not so clean clothes, with dirt under their fingernails!
LOL!

388 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:25:28pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you considered having your shoes put ON the casket, as part of a display of some sort? Or having your shoes collection flashed onscreen as the eulogy is spoken?

After my ex-landlady’s husband died, she had a block party and had everyone drink up his wine cellar and smoke his cigars. It was a lovely way to remember him.

WHAT a great idea! A “Shoe Wake”.

389 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:26:28pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

My biggest worry for awhile, honestly, was that I would be ill for a long time and not be able to go get my hair done. WTF was that “worry” all about? I have no clue. And actually, I’m over it.

Looking for something new to worry about. any suggestions?

The Mayan calender is ending in 2012.

;)

390 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:26:33pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

Looking for something new to worry about. any suggestions?

Try shaving your head for a while. Then you worry about running out of razors.

391 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:26:44pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

My biggest worry for awhile, honestly, was that I would be ill for a long time and not be able to go get my hair done. WTF was that “worry” all about? I have no clue. And actually, I’m over it.

Looking for something new to worry about. any suggestions?

How about going for cremation and wondering if those fake teeth will melt or not?

392 Ray in TX  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:26:49pm

re: #379 cenotaphium

This is a dangerous line of thinking. Their apparent intelligence has very little to do with how well they will score on an IQ test - even a legitimate one. This has always been the problem with IQ tests; essentially they measure how good you are at doing.. well, IQ tests. The only way they become useful is when they are normalized through intense testing and study, as the relative test scores then become the data point (this is why you can’t take an IQ score from one test and compare with another).

Maybe you knew this and I misread you, but it’s a common mistake people make regarding IQ tests. As a personal anecdote, I’ve seen people I’ve thought intelligent fail miserably, and vice versa.

No, I think IQ tests in general are unreliable because there’s no consistency from test to test. The methodology varies between tests, so it’s clear that you are being judged by the subjective standards of the test designers (whom I presume score very well on their own tests).

I think that most of what we perceive as “intelligence” is nothing more than disciplined thinking, which is learned process. Barring some actual mental defect, everyone is capable of it. The people who learned the “rules” early on are just presumed to be more intelligent by the people who don’t really understand that there are actually rules.

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:26:57pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

My biggest worry for awhile, honestly, was that I would be ill for a long time and not be able to go get my hair done. WTF was that “worry” all about? I have no clue. And actually, I’m over it.

Looking for something new to worry about. any suggestions?

Also, can’t you have people come to the house to do it?

394 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:27:11pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

The punch bowls!
Aieee!

395 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:27:39pm

In case someone else hasn’t said this, James Dobson and his fellow theocratic travelers can kiss my fat white “real conservative” Volunteer State ass! If anyone they support gets a endorsement from them, I’m not pulling the lever for them.

/expect more from your political candidates…like sanity, common sense, and integrity

396 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:28:02pm

re: #370 reine.de.tout

And I am quite happily amused to be discovering this internet tradition tonight.

me too!

397 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:29:14pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, I’m at a Catholic school. Some of our parents are off the charts.

Some are great, but we never meet them, because their kids get a 3.00 GPA, wear the uniform correctly, and go to their detention without complaining when they are late. They do not do drugs, get into fights, bully each other, or cut class to make out with their significant others. I’m not sure what these parents are doing. I keep watching them to figure out how they differ from the parents who are in the dean’s office, crying because their kid got caught, and life is unfair.

Sounds like they are really worried about their kids —for good reason. Wonder if they ever look at themselves?

398 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:29:59pm

re: #374 reine.de.tout

heheh.
Isn’t that a silly thing to worry about?
I don’t know why it sticks in my head.
I’m not really particularly silly or vain.
Weird.

I am particularly silly and vain.

At least, about shoes.

399 John Neverbend  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:29:59pm

There was one point towards the end of the Ardi documentary which was significant, and I need to hear it again. In essence, the scientists involved in the project expressed a belief that bipedalism (a distinguishing feature of humans) may have also influenced the development of the family unit (male/female/children) at a very early stage in our history. I’m too tired to remember the details, but it’s a rather interesting speculation.

400 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:30:14pm

re: #392 Ray in TX

No, I think IQ tests in general are unreliable because there’s no consistency from test to test. The methodology varies between tests, so it’s clear that you are being judged by the subjective standards of the test designers (whom I presume score very well on their own tests).

I think that most of what we perceive as “intelligence” is nothing more than disciplined thinking, which is learned process. Barring some actual mental defect, everyone is capable of it. The people who learned the “rules” early on are just presumed to be more intelligent by the people who don’t really understand that there are actually rules.

Gee, so there aren’t really any dumbasses after all; they just need more time to come to the same conclusions as you. (of course I don’t mean YOU literally)

401 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:30:55pm

Good luck with James Dobson, GOP. I gave you guys almost 200 dollars in 2008. No more. I’m going to ignore your mailings and emails from now on. I supported the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and fiscal conservatism but I didn’t sign on for your theocratic archaic culture war.

402 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:31:19pm

re: #387 Floral Giraffe

I live with a “silly worryier”.
Was going to have a couple of friends over to see the garden. She was planning how to get the punchbowl & matching cups ready. For gardening folks, you know, the ones in not so clean clothes, with dirt under their fingernails!
LOL!

Flo - that’s me.
If there’s nothing obvious to worry about, I will find something. Drives the Roi crazy. It’s a good thing I have him, because he gets me settled down. It’s also a good thing he has ME, because he doesn’t worry about anything. So the two of us together make a good balance.

403 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:31:31pm

Their is some country song I hear every once in a while about shoes. I really like the song, but don’t know the name or the artist. A female.

Help! Lizards!

404 spirochete  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:32:51pm

shoes?

405 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:32:54pm

re: #399 John Neverbend

There was one point towards the end of the Ardi documentary which was significant, and I need to hear it again. In essence, the scientists involved in the project expressed a belief that bipedalism (a distinguishing feature of humans) may have also influenced the development of the family unit (male/female/children) at a very early stage in our history. I’m too tired to remember the details, but it’s a rather interesting speculation.

NO damned animal has any sense of family, and that includes that dog that always has to sleep with us. So there!/

406 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:33:14pm

re: #391 Naso Tang

How about going for cremation and wondering if those fake teeth will melt or not?

There ya go!
The solution!
Nice and tidy.
So, I guess we could have saved and bought a small crypt instead of the double penthouse suite. Hm.

407 freetoken  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:33:18pm

re: #399 John Neverbend

Is it because bipedalism allowed greater ranges of movement? It has been hypothesized before that bipedalism helped wrt water (crossing swamps, or flooded areas) as well as allowing for better surveillance for attack from predators.

408 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:34:00pm

re: #389 SanFranciscoZionist

The Mayan calender is ending in 2012.

;)

Maybe they ran out of room on the rock or whatever on which they were recording the calendar. They figured when they got to 2012, they’d find another rock?

409 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:34:02pm

I was browsing Charles music links and found this. Perfect for this thread. Not sure why
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Electricguitartistry. OMG OMG

410 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:34:51pm

re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, can’t you have people come to the house to do it?

Oh, I’m sure!
There are, in fact, groups associated with various hospice-care folks that do just that sort of thing. Thank goodness.

411 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:35:33pm

re: #404 spirochete

shoes?

Yes, shoes are important!

412 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:36:25pm

re: #403 ggt

Their is some country song I hear every once in a while about shoes. I really like the song, but don’t know the name or the artist. A female.

Help! Lizards!

Is it on this list?

413 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:36:54pm

ok, what’s everyone reading right now? Well, not right now. I mean bookwise —what is everyone reading?

414 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:36:57pm

re: #404 spirochete

Gone barefoot for long, lately?
LOL!

415 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:37:47pm

re: #412 reine.de.tout

Is it on this list?

NO, no, it’s a GOOD song.

416 SFGoth  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:37:55pm

I think America is in greater danger from the thousands of American men every year who run 3-6 miles for beer in red dresses. (It’s a hashing thing, you wouldn’t understand.)

417 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:38:44pm

I’m watching Discovery “Arti” right through again. Every time they discover more human fossils etc we were smarter, more capable earlier than previously thought. Obviously the assumption is dumber until proven smarter. Hmmm

418 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:38:48pm

re: #413 ggt

ok, what’s everyone reading right now? Well, not right now. I mean bookwise —what is everyone reading?

Pssst, check out Charles’s Amazon Store!
Top right, just under the rotating title!
It contains things Lizards have bought, and Charles
gets a couple of pennies, if you buy through the link!

419 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:40:29pm

re: #416 SFGoth

I think America is in greater danger from the thousands of American men every year who run 3-6 miles for beer in red dresses. (It’s a hashing thing, you wouldn’t understand.)

Did you say *hash*?

I’m feeling nostalgic now.

420 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:41:09pm

re: #403 ggt

Their is some country song I hear every once in a while about shoes. I really like the song, but don’t know the name or the artist. A female.

Help! Lizards!

In Your Shoes - Katie Drake

Youtube Video
421 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:41:28pm

re: #413 ggt

ok, what’s everyone reading right now? Well, not right now. I mean bookwise —what is everyone reading?

On Kindle - Robert B. Parker, The Professional.

Book - Women of the Raj, by Margaret MacMillan

422 SFGoth  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:42:46pm

re: #419 ggt

Did you say *hash*?

I’m feeling nostalgic now.

Hash House Harriers, not hashish.

423 Ray in TX  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:43:19pm

re: #400 Naso Tang

Gee, so there aren’t really any dumbasses after all; they just need more time to come to the same conclusions as you. (of course I don’t mean YOU literally)

I hope that I didn’t come across as obnoxious, because I was not trying to claim some sort of special knowledge. I was just referring to the principles of logic and reason, which are most definitely learned behaviors. My point was about *how* people should think, not what conclusions they should reach.

One of the most memorable quotes I heard came from my grandfather-in-law years ago, when my toddler daughter was throwing a tantrum at his house. In response to an apology of sorts, he reassured, “All children start as animals. It’s your job as parents to teach them to be human beings.”

People ARE animals. The behaviors that separate us from animals are all learned. If society only focuses on teaching people how to behave (laws) and not as much on how to think (education), then we as a species will never amount to much more than very clever apes.

If you can’t tell, I’m very biased towards math and science.

424 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:43:37pm

re: #406 reine.de.tout

There ya go!
The solution!
Nice and tidy.
So, I guess we could have saved and bought a small crypt instead of the double penthouse suite. Hm.

I’ve got my eye on this struggling calcium deficient apple tree actually. Kind of like the idea of my kids picking the fruit one day; in fact it’s kind of biblical in concept, wouldn’t you say?

425 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:44:54pm

re: #423 Ray in TX

“There are two things that clearly differentiate the human race from animals. One: we use cutlery. Two: we’re capable of controlling our sexual urges. Now you might be an exception, mister, but don’t drag me down into your private hell.”

—Dragnet

426 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:45:23pm

re: #424 Naso Tang

I’ve got my eye on this struggling calcium deficient apple tree actually. Kind of like the idea of my kids picking the fruit one day; in fact it’s kind of biblical in concept, wouldn’t you say?

Yes, I like the idea!
In fact, I had discussed with my mom once, what she wanted. She said she’d be OK with cremation, and I could put her in my rose garden. I liked the idea. It isn’t what we ended up doing because Dad wasn’t happy about it - but I did like the idea of it.

427 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:46:25pm

re: #423 Ray in TX

No you are not obnoxious, but we disagree on some of the other issues; generally speaking. I’m not ready to take that further tonight, but in simple terms, we are more than we learn.

428 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:46:25pm

re: #420 Gus 802

In Your Shoes - Katie Drake


[Video]

thanks, but no. It’s a upbeat song, lots of twangy. Not goopy at all. Singer talks about shoes, hair curlers etc. re: #421 reine.de.tout

On Kindle - Robert B. Parker, The Professional.

Book - Women of the Raj, by Margaret MacMillan

What’ the Professional about. I just read (listened to) The Twentieth Wife by Indra Sundaresan. Some of the amazon reviews are bad, but I really enjoyed it. Historical fiction about the aunt of the empress for whom the Taj Mahal was built.

I also read (listened to) Nixon and Mao by Margaret McMillan last week. So I am putting your book by her on my list.

429 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:46:51pm

Favorite country song about shoes.

Who’s Gonna Fill Their Shoes

George Jones

Youtube Video
430 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:46:53pm

re: #422 SFGoth

Hash House Harriers, not hashish.

Do I want to know? Or is this another internet tradion of which I am ignorant?

431 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:47:09pm

re: #429 Gus 802

Favorite country song about shoes.

Who’s Gonna Fill Their Shoes

George Jones


[Video]

Nah, it’s a girl artist. You are wonderful for looking!

432 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:48:23pm

I originally thought the song was by Shania or Faith Hill, but I can’t find it on You Tube under their names.

433 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:48:34pm

re: #430 ggt

Do I want to know? Or is this another internet tradion of which I am ignorant?

joggers.

434 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:49:20pm

re: #432 ggt

I originally thought the song was by Shania or Faith Hill, but I can’t find it on You Tube under their names.

Do you have a line from the song? Just a phrase might help.

435 Ray in TX  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:49:27pm

re: #425 SanFranciscoZionist

“There are two things that clearly differentiate the human race from animals. One: we use cutlery. Two: we’re capable of controlling our sexual urges. Now you might be an exception, mister, but don’t drag me down into your private hell.”

—Dragnet

haha, I am not so sure about the 2nd one. After all, we are the only primate whose females are in estrus 365 days a year. That doesn’t sound very controlled to me!

With regards to cutlery, I would like to point out that the English were among the last to adopt the use of the fork. In fact, it was King Henry who coined the phrase “GET THE FORK OUT OF HERE!”

436 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:49:35pm

re: #428 ggt

What’ the Professional about. I just read (listened to) The Twentieth Wife by Indra Sundaresan. Some of the amazon reviews are bad, but I really enjoyed it. Historical fiction about the aunt of the empress for whom the Taj Mahal was built.

I also read (listened to) Nixon and Mao by Margaret McMillan last week. So I am putting your book by her on my list.

The Professional is detective fiction - Spenser for Hire. There’s a whole series of these by Robert B Parker, and I’m obsessed, I’ve read ‘em all, goes back years.

The Twentieth Wife looks interesting. Going on my wish list.

437 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:49:37pm

re: #431 ggt

Nancy Sinatra?

Boots are made for walkin’?

438 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:50:00pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

Looking for something new to worry about. any suggestions?

Cephalopods. They’re hiding something sinister, I just know it.

439 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:50:55pm

re: #438 Slumbering Behemoth

Cephalopods. They’re hiding something sinister, I just know it.

haha!
okey-dokey!
That might be just the ticket.
I think I’ll sleep on it …
good night, all!

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:51:40pm

re: #426 reine.de.tout

Yes, I like the idea!
In fact, I had discussed with my mom once, what she wanted. She said she’d be OK with cremation, and I could put her in my rose garden. I liked the idea. It isn’t what we ended up doing because Dad wasn’t happy about it - but I did like the idea of it.

My grandmother decided to be cremated, and the ashes put in an urn at the Catholic cemetery in San Diego. She was claustrophobic, so she selected one of the niches with glass rather than stone in front of them. She also wanted a ‘beautiful’ urn, ‘so the neighbors will be jealous’.

441 swamprat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:52:49pm

fun commercial

Youtube Video
442 yael  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:54:05pm

re: #424 Naso Tang
I always liked this one myself -
Spoon River Anthology by Edgar Lee Masters
Conrad Siever

NOT in that wasted garden
Where bodies are drawn into grass
That feeds no flocks, and into evergreens
That bear no fruit—
There where along the shaded walks
Vain sighs are heard,
And vainer dreams are dreamed
Of close communion with departed souls—
But here under the apple tree
I loved and watched and pruned
With gnarled hands
In the long, long years;
Here under the roots of this northern-spy
To move in the chemic change and circle of life,
Into the soil and into the flesh of the tree,
And into the living epitaphs
Of redder apples!
443 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:55:40pm

re: #434 Gus 802

Do you have a line from the song? Just a phrase might help.

“But, I really like shoes”

I’m no help. I’m not musical and don’t remember much I haven’t read (and little of that as well).

444 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:56:23pm

re: #437 swamprat

Nancy Sinatra?

Boots are made for walkin’?

NO! Thanks for trying to help.

445 theheat  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:56:29pm
America Is In Greater Danger Than At Any Time Since the Civil War

Boy, Dobson and crew love that fearmongering shit. I get emails all the time prefaced with a dozen FW FWs from teabaggers and right wingers warning me about everything from godlessness and homosexuals to the commie takeover coming down the pike. Reminds me of the story of Chicken Little, “The sky is falling!” If they aren’t in pre-stroke mode, sowing their hysteria, they don’t feel alive.

This seems to be what they use for fuel, like stored fat and complex carbs. Strange animals, they are.

446 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:56:30pm

re: #437 swamprat

Nancy Sinatra?

Boots are made for walkin’?

Love it!

Youtube Video
447 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:56:42pm

re: #443 ggt

“But, I really like shoes”

I’m no help. I’m not musical and don’t remember much I haven’t read (and little of that as well).

Shania Twain - Shoes

Youtube Video
448 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:56:46pm

re: #436 reine.de.tout

The Professional is detective fiction - Spenser for Hire. There’s a whole series of these by Robert B Parker, and I’m obsessed, I’ve read ‘em all, goes back years.

The Twentieth Wife looks interesting. Going on my wish list.

like the TV show?

449 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:57:24pm

re: #448 ggt

Books were the basis for the TeeVee shows.

450 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:57:38pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Shania Twain - Shoes


[Video]

YES, YES, YES!!!

We have a winner! Gus 802 for the best Lizard of the Year!!!

451 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:58:19pm

re: #413 ggt

ok, what’s everyone reading right now? Well, not right now. I mean bookwise —what is everyone reading?

Bill Bryson’s Australia travelogue. Laugh out loud funny.

452 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:58:31pm

re: #450 ggt

YES, YES, YES!!!

We have a winner! Gus 802 for the best Lizard of the Year!!!

:) Nice song. Shania’s a cutey.

453 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 9:58:35pm

re: #392 Ray in TX

No, I think IQ tests in general are unreliable because there’s no consistency from test to test. The methodology varies between tests, so it’s clear that you are being judged by the subjective standards of the test designers (whom I presume score very well on their own tests).

I’m not sure what consistency you’re referring to here. I know that the WAIS test uses a series of questions, logic puzzles and physical object manipulation that is the same from one test to the other. That consistency is in fact what I criticized when doing it, however their studies show that there is a very small chance of improvement from one test to the other (there is a time limiting factor involved).

I think that most of what we perceive as “intelligence” is nothing more than disciplined thinking, which is learned process. Barring some actual mental defect, everyone is capable of it. The people who learned the “rules” early on are just presumed to be more intelligent by the people who don’t really understand that there are actually rules.

This is not true. Intelligence compromises both learned knowledge but also elements that are much harder to change through learning. This is more apparent the less skill a person actually possesses; for instance, studies on people with specific brain dysfunction show a complete lack of certain skills, such as abstract verbal reasoning (“In what way are an apple and a pear alike?”), even though they are perfectly capable of learning by rote memorization.
To an extent, you can improve your IQ score in pretty much any test by practicing the types of tests you’ll be exposed to, but only up to a point. There appears to be a ceiling in which further progress is increasingly harder, and that ceiling is not the same for everyone. That is the point of comparative intelligence scoring. The point of IQ testing, as of late, is more in a diagnostic sense, in which it performs well - especially (like I hinted at above) in showing specific problem areas (which may be indicative of disease).

I hope that made sense, I’m not used to writing about this in English.

454 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:00:39pm

re: #445 theheat

Boy, Dobson and crew love that fearmongering shit. I get emails all the time prefaced with a dozen FW FWs from teabaggers and right wingers warning me about everything from godlessness and homosexuals to the commie takeover coming down the pike. Reminds me of the story of Chicken Little, “The sky is falling!” If they aren’t in pre-stroke mode, sowing their hysteria, they don’t feel alive.

This seems to be what they use for fuel, like stored fat and complex carbs. Strange animals, they are.

All I get are stuff for viagra, penis enlargers, and breast enlargers. You must travel in smarter circles than I.

455 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:01:36pm

re: #451 bratwurst

Bill Bryson’s Australia travelogue. Laugh out loud funny.

I can’t find it on amazon?

456 SFGoth  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:01:46pm

I think Dobson’s gay. He’s just widening his stance.

457 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:01:46pm

re: #452 Gus 802

:) Nice song. Shania’s a cutey.

Come on. Don’t hold back now..

458 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:02:19pm

Man, I like shoes!!!

459 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:02:22pm

re: #448 ggt

like the TV show?

yes. these are the books the tV show was based on.

460 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:02:56pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Shania Twain - Shoes

[Video]

You know what’s REALLY funny?
That video doesn’t show any shoes!

461 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:02:56pm

re: #459 reine.de.tout

yes. these are the books the tV show was based on.

I thought you went to bed. Did you hear the shoe song that Gus found?

462 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:03:05pm

re: #457 Naso Tang

Come on. Don’t hold back now..

OK, I would marry her in an instant.

463 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:03:44pm

re: #455 ggt

I can’t find it on amazon?

Here ya go:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

464 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:03:52pm

re: #461 ggt

I thought you went to bed. Did you hear the shoe song that Gus found?

got it marked and will check it tomorrow.
got sidetracked with emails
Beauty sleep coming up now.

465 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:04:54pm

re: #462 Gus 802

OK, I would marry her in an instant.

Damn, you just can’t say what you are really thinking, can you?

466 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:05:05pm

re: #463 bratwurst

Here ya go:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

thanks! it’s in the audible.com wish list.

467 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:05:26pm

re: #465 Naso Tang

Damn, you just can’t say what you are really thinking, can you?

You are sooo bad!

:)

468 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:06:01pm

I’m off to listen to my book!

weet dreams all!

469 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:06:31pm

re: #465 Naso Tang

Damn, you just can’t say what you are really thinking, can you?

Can’t. In some things I still remain conservative you know. ;)

470 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:06:54pm

re: #468 ggt

I’m off to listen to my book!

weet dreams all!

You type pretty good for a blind person.

471 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:07:03pm

re: #466 ggt

thanks! it’s in the audible.com wish list.

If you are not familiar with him, I can suggest almost any of his books.

472 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:07:05pm

re: #468 ggt

I’m off to listen to my book!

weet dreams all!

Later GGT. ;)

473 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:08:04pm

If you don’t criticise fairly, then you lose the ability to fairly criticize with credibility. That’s the problem with Fox. The few blowhards detract from the rest and bring the whole place down.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

474 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:08:51pm

re: #441 swamprat

fun commercial


[Video]

Yowza! How did you manage to find a video featuring all my future ex-wives?
/

475 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:08:53pm

re: #469 Gus 802

Can’t. In some things I still remain conservative you know. ;)

It’s the principles that count.

476 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:09:07pm

re: #436 reine.de.tout

If you don’t mind reading leftists reporting on what killed the republican party, this is really good. It’s written by the same guy who blogs at Ornicus.

477 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:09:15pm

re: #475 Naso Tang

It’s the principles that count.

Yep.

478 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:09:55pm

re: #473 BigPapa

If you don’t criticise fairly, then you lose the ability to fairly criticize with credibility. That’s the problem with Fox. The few blowhards detract from the rest and bring the whole place down.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Pot, meet kettle!
A pox on them both!

479 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:10:30pm

re: #438 Slumbering Behemoth

Cephalopods. They’re hiding something sinister, I just know it.

How can you say something like that about the cuddly wuwly wittle pephalopooose?

Surely a visit to the Tonmo galleries (cuttlefish section) will change your mind?

Okay, octopus can be alarmingly clever sometimes.. but that doesn’t make them sinister! (I’ll grant you squid though, they’re just mean)

Meditative octopus puzzle solving video:

Youtube Video
480 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:12:10pm

re: #477 Gus 802

Yep.

But some are more equal than others…From some book I read in school.

481 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:13:19pm

re: #452 Gus 802

:) Nice song. Shania’s a cutey.

But is she country? She’s Canadian for crying out loud. I’ve lived my whole life in Nashville and at some point during that time have owned a pair of cowboy boots. I think I’ve got some right to judge on what’s poppy “power twang” and what’s country.

482 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:14:26pm

re: #481 Conservative Moonbat

But is she country? She’s Canadian for crying out loud. I’ve lived my whole life in Nashville and at some point during that time have owned a pair of cowboy boots. I think I’ve got some right to judge on what’s poppy “power twang” and what’s country.

Who cares. Look at how the hips move.

483 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:15:27pm

re: #479 cenotaphium

How can you say something like that about the cuddly wuwly wittle pephalopooose?

Surely a visit to the Tonmo galleries (cuttlefish section) will change your mind?

Okay, octopus can be alarmingly clever sometimes.. but that doesn’t make them sinister! (I’ll grant you squid though, they’re just mean)

Meditative octopus puzzle solving video:

Thats just what Cthulhu wants you to think




484 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:15:51pm

re: #482 Naso Tang

Who cares. Look at how the hips move.

You win

485 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:17:35pm

re: #479 cenotaphium

What do you take me for, a sucker? You’re obviously just a shill for the Tentacle Lobby, and I will hear no more of your subversive propaganda!

/Cool links, BTW.

486 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:17:44pm

re: #480 Naso Tang

But some are more equal than others…From some book I read in school.

I know. That’s why I can’t say. There is more to love than physical attraction.

487 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:20:25pm

Enough of this hips stuff. I’m about to head off for the night (and dream), but in the headlines Pakistan bombs militants, ground offensive imminent

What I want to know is what the UN Human Rights Commission is going to do about this, given that the Pakistanis have a known shortage of Smart Bombs.?

/// (that’s triple sarcs for newbies)

488 iceweasel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:20:37pm

re: #483 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That’s just what Cthulhu wants you to think.

Cthulhu is taking over our internets. Won’t someone think of the children?

489 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:22:52pm

re: #483 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats just what Cthulhu wants you to think.

Aw crap. Damnit, dude! I was trying for the reverse psychology angle here and you had to go and blow my cover.

Screw it, I’m going back to bed.

490 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:24:14pm

re: #486 Gus 802

I know. That’s why I can’t say. There is more to love than physical attraction.

were you talking about love? My apologies.

491 Kragar  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:25:18pm

re: #489 Slumbering Behemoth

Aw crap. Damnit, dude! I was trying for the reverse psychology angle here and you had to go and blow my cover.

Screw it, I’m going back to bed.

Dobson probably would get along great with old H.P.

492 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:26:27pm

re: #490 Naso Tang

were you talking about love? My apologies.

I was. I’m weird like that.

493 cenotaphium  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:26:48pm

re: #485 Slumbering Behemoth

What do you take me for, a sucker? You’re obviously just a shill for the Tentacle Lobby, and I will hear no more of your subversive propaganda!

By His Slippery Suckers! Foiled once more in my dastardly plan to subvert humanity! Next time I’ll put some fur on that Cuttlefish and have it hold up some witty text - I’ll call it a.. CEPHALOL! Yes.. that will surely excite the lame brains of the internet making them ready for consumption!

Seriously though, remember that not all tentacles are evil. Just the purple ones.

Youtube Video
494 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:27:37pm

re: #492 Gus 802

I was. I’m weird like that.

I love you anyway. Goodnight.

495 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:27:56pm

Help! - Beatles

Youtube Video
496 SixDegrees  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:28:26pm

re: #34 Charles

Andrew Bolt takes the implicit racism of Michelle Malkin’s hyperventilation over that Alma Thomas painting, and makes it completely explicit: Artless Obamas.

Take the work by Alma Thomas, which turns out to be just a (black female) artist’s lightly disguised rendition of another (white male) painter’s work.

Wow. Is this kind of thing more accepted in Australia?

Gotta love the bit in bold; apparently yet another “art critic” manages to miss the simple fact that the work by Matisse is not a painting in his rush to blather.

But, you know, let’s not let facts get in the way of a repugnant rant.

497 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:28:51pm

Ruh roh…


God is not the Creator, claims academic
The notion of God as the Creator is wrong, claims a top academic, who believes the Bible has been wrongly translated for thousands of years.

498 Gus  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:29:18pm

re: #494 Naso Tang

I love you anyway. Goodnight.

Ditto my friend.

499 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:29:28pm

re: #488 iceweasel

My goodness, gracious!
Too funny!

Hi Ice!

500 Bagua  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:29:53pm

Bagua has returned from China bearing new technology: They are a clever people!

It is called Leading Glasses and it is good. It is now possible to actually read what the other folks are writing while posting.

501 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:30:10pm

re: #497 BigPapa

Ruh roh…

God is not the Creator, claims academic
The notion of God as the Creator is wrong, claims a top academic, who believes the Bible has been wrongly translated for thousands of years.

Saw that this morning. I don’t know how much stock I put in it but it should be fun to watch the fallout, regardless.

502 iceweasel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:30:50pm

re: #499 Floral Giraffe

My goodness, gracious!
Too funny!

Hi Ice!

Hey FG! How goes it, cutie?

503 Jimmah  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:31:41pm

re: #488 iceweasel

Cthulhu is taking over our internets. Won’t someone think of the children?

Motherfucking hilarious :)

504 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:31:44pm

re: #501 Conservative Moonbat

Saw that this morning. I don’t know how much stock I put in it but it should be fun to watch the fallout, regardless.

I’m going to Costco for the beer and popcorn. I have emails out to Kirk Cameron’s publicist and will report back once acknowledged.

505 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:33:35pm

re: #493 cenotaphium

CEPHALOL!

Ha! Awesome.

Actually, that’s a great idea. I love lol pics.

506 wee fury  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:38:48pm

Thank you for the iTunes download side bar, Charles!

507 sagehen  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:39:54pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

Looking for something new to worry about. any suggestions?


Earthquakes can happen anywhere. Anywhere at all.

At an impressionable age, I saw a cartoon with an earthquake that opened a rift in a field, a cow fell in, the aftershock closed the rift, and cow’s tail was sticking out of the ground. It could happen to you.

Also, Yellowstone is a supervolcano.

508 SixDegrees  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:40:12pm

re: #497 BigPapa

Ruh roh…

God is not the Creator, claims academic
The notion of God as the Creator is wrong, claims a top academic, who believes the Bible has been wrongly translated for thousands of years.

Not a lot of actual detail in the article, but to be frank this sounds like the sort of syllabic over-analysis of text that is so often misapplied to Internet postings. I kept expecting her to copy and paste a Google-dredged and heavily edited definition of “creation” as support.

However, that may just be sloppy reporting. Perhaps once her thesis is published and others weigh in, a better analysis will emerge.

509 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:41:09pm

I’ve done a thorough review of the White House art collection.

No wonder the French call us faaackeeng Au’Mericaans. It’s not just because we put ketchup on everything. There’s one piece there I really like.

510 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:44:13pm

Cracker: Eurotrash Girl

Youtube Video
511 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:44:52pm

re: #509 BigPapa

I’ve done a thorough review of the White House art collection.

No wonder the French call us faaackeeng Au’Mericaans. It’s not just because we put ketchup on everything. There’s one piece there I really like.

Hey. The French wanted Obama. They got Obama. If they don’t like his taste in art, tough. I don’t like it either, but am I complaining? No, because I don’t care. It isn’t going up on my walls.

Did anyone ever even mention Bush’s art picks? Or Clinton’s?

512 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:45:32pm

re: #508 SixDegrees

I never think of the Telegraph as getting a lot into detail but it is interesting none the less. The head popping potential above that is intriguing all in itself.

If it does have legs and the data supports it I do wonder if it will make any impact to the current dialog. Many already reconcile a ‘day’ could be any length of time so it’s not like this is necessarily Earth shattering, unless you’re a strict literalist.

513 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:45:43pm

re: #507 sagehen

Sheesh!
I’m in California & I forgot those!
Used to do business with a BIG vendor who was based in Arkansas.
We had to go there, she was afraid of earthquakes!
This from a woman, who owned a BIG business, yet still wore turquoise eyeshadow in the 1990’s.

514 SixDegrees  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:48:37pm

re: #512 BigPapa

I never think of the Telegraph as getting a lot into detail but it is interesting none the less. The head popping potential above that is intriguing all in itself.

If it does have legs and the data supports it I do wonder if it will make any impact to the current dialog. Many already reconcile a ‘day’ could be any length of time so it’s not like this is necessarily Earth shattering, unless you’re a strict literalist.

If nothing else, it calls the whole business of “literalism” into question. If a fundamental issue like this has been missed for a few thousand years, it calls a whole lot of other interpretation into question as well, and cuts the validity of literalism off at the knees.

515 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:48:53pm

re: #511 SanFranciscoZionist

Did anyone ever even mention Bush’s art picks? Or Clinton’s?

No, but… do you think they would pick any better? LOL.

As somebody who is starting to understand it because I get to be around it from time to time, I sorta liked the pieces of a couple days ago but wouldn’t have them too prominent or large. The pieces in the link aren’t very good at all, to my tastes.

516 Bagua  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:49:20pm

Tech support query:

How does one prepare an MP3 to use the new link feature?

517 [deleted]  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:49:57pm
518 funky chicken  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:52:02pm

re: #5 Charles

Guess what — Dobson and his fellow travelers are already deeply into Republican politics. A case can be made that the main reason John McCain picked Sarah Palin was to appease James Dobson and his millions of followers — because Dobson was going to tell them not to vote for McCain because of his moderate stance on abortion.

You know, the idiotic thing about that is that McCain has a 100% anti-abortion voting record back to 1981. The only thing that’s moderate about McCain’s abortion stance is that he doesn’t talk about the issue all the time. The SoCons hate McCain because he called Jerry Falwell an agent of intolerance back in the early 1990s so they created the lie that McCain wasn’t pro-life and used it to win the GOP nomination for GWB in 2000.

McCain did say he favored using leftover/discarded embryos for stem cell research, which made them squeal like idiots too. I guess it’s better to just toss those cells in the trash than to use them for scientific research.

idiots

519 SixDegrees  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:52:51pm

re: #509 BigPapa

I’ve done a thorough review of the White House art collection.

No wonder the French call us faaackeeng Au’Mericaans. It’s not just because we put ketchup on everything. There’s one piece there I really like.

France used to be the center of the art world. In the second half of the 20th century, that center rapidly shifted to America. The French have a hard time with this.

It’s a lot like the little talked about fact that America saved France’s wine industry. A nasty blight ravaged the French vineyards, almost stripping them bare, but a resistant strain of grape was found in the US and their fields were replanted with American rootstocks. Today, practically every French wine is produced using American grape stock; they wouldn’t even be producing raisins if it wasn’t for us. And they’re not real happy about that.

520 iceweasel  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:54:28pm

re: #505 Slumbering Behemoth

Ha! Awesome.

Actually, that’s a great idea. I love lol pics.

CTHULHU FHTAGN CHEEZBURGER!

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:55:57pm

re: #513 Floral Giraffe

Sheesh!
I’m in California & I forgot those!
Used to do business with a BIG vendor who was based in Arkansas.
We had to go there, she was afraid of earthquakes!
This from a woman, who owned a BIG business, yet still wore turquoise eyeshadow in the 1990’s.

When I was looking at colleges, I was supposed to meet with some people from this school in Annapolis. (St. John’s, not the Naval Academy). Then the 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake hit, and they fled the city. I was not impressed. Jeez, one 6.9 quake, and you have to leave the state? I mean, it was OVER.

522 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:58:40pm

re: #516 Bagua

Tech support query:

How does one prepare an MP3 to use the new link feature?

You’ve got to put it on a web server somewhere to give it a url, then link to it.
Odds are your ISP gives you some super basic web hosting as part of your connection package and you can use that, but if the mp3 is copyright violation it’s probably within their terms of service to cut you off.

You best bet might be to use a $5 a month hoster like dreamhost.

I’ve got a really liberal ISP (speakeasy.net) that lets me run servers off my home connection so I was thinking I might just transcode any mp3s I wanted to share down to minimal bitrate and serve them off my desktop since I’m running apache for development purposes anyway and I’m serving a couple other basic pages off it any way.

Anyway. Yeah. Find a place to upload the mp3s that will give them a url then link to them.

523 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 10:59:41pm

re: #511 SanFranciscoZionist

Did anyone ever even mention Bush’s art picks? Or Clinton’s?

Some out there are so freaking unhinged they’re looking for anything that they can spin and twist in a way they think makes Obama look bad.

This week it’s his art picks, next week it’ll be his nose picks.

/Seriously, look at that booger. That is not the kind of booger that comes from a True Patriot’s nose. That is a straight-up, anti-American, Marxist booger. Open your eyes, people!

524 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:00:36pm

re: #522 Conservative Moonbat

you might want to see if drop.io will let y ou do it.

I’ve never used them but have a lot of friends who do.

525 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:03:28pm

re: #520 iceweasel

CTHULHU FHTAGN CHEEZBURGER!

GAHHH! MAI AYCHENT KOSMIX SECRITS! TEHY HAS BEN FOWNDED!

526 sagehen  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:04:58pm

re: #513 Floral Giraffe

Sheesh!
I’m in California & I forgot those!
Used to do business with a BIG vendor who was based in Arkansas.
We had to go there, she was afraid of earthquakes!
This from a woman, who owned a BIG business, yet still wore turquoise eyeshadow in the 1990’s.

Missouri, December 1811.
Survivors reported that the earthquakes caused cracks to open in the earth’s surface, the ground to roll in visible waves, and large areas of land to sink or rise. The crew of the New Orleans (the first steamboat on the Mississippi, which was on her maiden voyage) reported mooring to an island only to awake in the morning and find that the island had disappeared below the waters of the Mississippi River. Damage was reported as far away as Charleston, South Carolina, and Washington, D.C.

527 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:07:21pm

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

Today is the 20 year anniversary of Loma Prieta’s earthquake.
Sheesh, I feel old…

528 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:07:34pm

[Link: lolthulhu.com…]

529 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:08:07pm

re: #514 SixDegrees

If nothing else, it calls the whole business of “literalism” into question. If a fundamental issue like this has been missed for a few thousand years, it calls a whole lot of other interpretation into question as well, and cuts the validity of literalism off at the knees.

I have to say, I’m not impressed. The question of whether water/void/chaos predates creation has already been discussed a lot. If this woman believes that ‘bara’ means ‘spatially separate’, the question then arises of why the text then uses mavdil/vayavdel to describe spatial separation just verses later. It also raises the question of why I praise God for ‘separating the fruit of the tree’, but that’s another question.

Unless there’s some much more specific analysis going on than the article shows, this is just text-picking. And to announce that ‘God as creator is now untenable’ is just trying to make a controversy out of nothing.

530 sagehen  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:09:27pm

re: #511 SanFranciscoZionist

Did anyone ever even mention Bush’s art picks? Or Clinton’s?

Not that I can recall, but Reagan really liked this guy

531 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:10:07pm

re: #528 Conservative Moonbat

You need to save that for Fat Bastard Vegitarian, and send him
“The cake is a lie” one…

532 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:10:22pm

re: #529 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m betting there’s some more specific analysis going on. Good luck waiting for it to be translated into english.

533 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:11:54pm

re: #530 sagehen

Not that I can recall, but Reagan really liked this guy

Now that’s the kind of all-American artwork a President OUGHTA like!

/I like the sculptures, actually

534 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:13:43pm

re: #519 SixDegrees

Phylloxera.

I had a buddy in my industry working in a house in Napa about 10 years ago. At the back of the garage there was 8 old gnarled up vines, dug up and dead. He was wondering what they were there for. I told him those were probably the original cabernet vines he got from France when he started his winery in the early 60’s. It was Robert Mondavi’s house.

Those buggers must be in a museum now.

535 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:13:49pm

re: #530 sagehen

Not that I can recall, but Reagan really liked this guy

Of course he did, the artist is obviously a racist. I mean, just look at the title of this painting.
/

536 SFGoth  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:15:50pm

I was in a parking lot at S.F. State when Loma Prieta hit. I remember it very well. Watching asphault undulate is pretty interesting. Kids up on the upper floors of my dorm were tossed around like empty beer cans. They had all the fun. It was an exciting week. My roommate and I were eventually exiled to Santa Barbara for a few days to spend some time with friends of his in a beach house. We were celebrities.

537 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:16:36pm

re: #529 SanFranciscoZionist

Unless there’s some much more specific analysis going on than the article shows, this is just text-picking. And to announce that ‘God as creator is now untenable’ is just trying to make a controversy out of nothing.

I think that’s the Telegraph. The real story is about the possibility the original texts weren’t transcribed correctly and they may say something different. But you’re right in that it shouldn’t be a controversy.

538 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:18:24pm

remember this?

I think I should duck and run now.

539 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:21:15pm

Solution
Many growers resorted to their own methods in attempt to resolve the issue. Chemicals and pesticides were used to no avail. In desperation, some growers positioned toads under each vine, and others allowed their poultry to roam free in the hope they would eat the insects.[12] None of these methods was successful.
After Charles Valentine Riley confirmed Planchon’s theory, Leo Laliman and Gaston Bazille, two French wine growers, both suggested the possibility that if vinifera vines could be combined, by means of grafting, with the aphid-resistant American vines, then the problem might be solved.
The method was tested, and proved a success.[11] The process was colloquially termed “reconstitution” by French wine growers. The cure for the disease caused a great division in the wine industry: some, who became known as the “chemists”, rejected the grafting solution and persisted with the use of pesticides and chemicals. Those who became grafters were known as “Americanists”, or “wood merchants”.[5] Following the demonstrated success of grafting in the 1870s and 1880s the immense task of “reconstituting” the majority of France’s vineyards began.

Same shit, different century and issues: facts trumped by feelings.

540 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:25:13pm

re: #536 SFGoth

Youtube Video

LOL!

541 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:26:09pm

There’s some debate on reddit right now about if this is racist or just ironic. Personally I think it’s a 4chan invasion.

[Link: www.reddit.com…]

542 SFGoth  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:34:06pm

re: #540 Floral Giraffe

LOL!

Embedding disabled. What’s funny?

543 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:38:37pm

re: #541 Conservative Moonbat

Oh gah. I had some of my buddies post a pic from wedding they were all at and a whole bunch of posters saw racism that wasn’t there. Everybody in that picture knew each other and thought it was completely retarded, laughing about the idiot posters.

544 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:39:13pm

re: #542 SFGoth

Sorry about that.
Stones.
Only rock n roll but I like it!

We should trade earthquake stories sometime…

545 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:40:57pm

re: #543 BigPapa

Oh gah. I had some of my buddies post a pic from wedding they were all at and a whole bunch of posters saw racism that wasn’t there. Everybody in that picture knew each other and thought it was completely retarded, laughing about the idiot posters.

What’s racist about that picture? Aside from the fact that the white guys have clearly been shoved to the back, so no one will see them.
/

546 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:41:54pm

re: #543 BigPapa

Oh gah. I had some of my buddies post a pic from wedding they were all at and a whole bunch of posters saw racism that wasn’t there. Everybody in that picture knew each other and thought it was completely retarded, laughing about the idiot posters.

The girl in the photo is extremely pretty, BTW.

547 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 11, 2009 11:52:57pm

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

The girl in the photo is extremely pretty, BTW.

For sure. It was her 21st birthday. The goofin white guy in back is a close friend and has been pursuing her just as hottie sister for a while.

He told me about it on Skype because the comments were getting stupid: people looking deeper into something that’s really there. Seems to be going around…

548 peterb  Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:29:57am

re: #261 Kosh’s Shadow

They figure it will be so much easier if the Jews are all in one place; that is, if the Jews concentrate themselves, if you know what I mean.

Whenever I hear evangelical Christians “strongly supporting” Israel, I’m already reminded of the aphorism about how Reagan was willing to fight the Soviets to the last Afghan.

549 akarra  Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:56:06am

re: #289 avspatti

I feel the most astounding thing about the lunacy of the right-wing is how immoral and dishonest it is: it’s always fear driving politics, and as someone who’s pro-life, I know that’s not going to translate into a “culture of life.”

I’m not saying that right-wingers need to go accept everything President Obama and the Democratic party do. But they need to understand what principled opposition is, and not just use principles as an excuse to be the nastiest, most brutish sort of opposition. I’m pretty sure it’s immoral to ratchet up fear, and go throw public tantrums screaming that we’re in the worst danger ever, without trying to represent the other side - you know, one’s fellow human beings - with some degree of generosity.


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