Video: CO2 Bubbling Up, Up, Up

EnvironmentFebruary 2010 • Views: 2,027

This animated graph shows surface measurements of carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere at various latitudes, within a time period spanning 1979 to 2006, with a map displaying where the data came from. At the end, the graph expands to include ice core measurements back to the 19th century. Hockey stick, anyone?

It’s a pretty effective demonstration of the precipitous increase in human-caused CO2.

Youtube Video

(Hat tip: Skeptical Science, where you’ll find more animated videos based on scientific data, showing the CO2 rise all over the world.)

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94 comments

Randall Gross Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:03:14pm

Did you get the Iphone app? I'm trying to talk him into porting it to the crackberry as well.

Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:06:07pm

re: #1 Thanos

Did you get the Iphone app? I'm trying to talk him into porting it to the crackberry as well.

Yes, I have that app -- it would be nice if it showed his blog posts too, though.

Obdicut Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:06:26pm

I predict that for some people, talking about CRU will be much more important than the posted video.

bagua Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:06:45pm

There is widespread agreement on the primary Anthropogenic influence on elevated Atmospheric CO2.

How would such a video animation be made? Is it frame by frame in photo-shop. or some sort of flash project?

Racer X Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:07:53pm

I blame Coke and Pepsi. Increased soft drink production coincides with the carbonation of the planet.

Bagua Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:08:49pm

re: #5 Racer X

Ban fizzy drinks!

Randall Gross Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:09:16pm

The other videos in linked article are also very eye opening, I'm watching them now.

Randall Gross Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:12:39pm

This one maps US output

Youtube Video

Bagua Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:13:34pm

Notice how the Red dot is more active than the Blue dot which seems to be following the Red dots lead.

Who knew CO2 had a Red/Blue partisan split?

Vambo Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:17:11pm

butbutbut... CO2 is just plant food.

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

Bagua Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:18:54pm

re: #10 Vambo

The Dose makes the Poison.

Vambo Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:21:13pm

^ indeed.

not only do these guys reject climatology, but it seems the reject medicine as well:
[Link: www.ehow.com...]

SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:25:13pm

interesting read on homeschooling christian fundies and child abuse

[Link: www.salon.com...]

Jimmah Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:26:14pm

I'm concerned about the possibility that there were bugs in the software used to create that animation///

brookly red Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:31:01pm

re: #6 Bagua

Ban fizzy drinks!

step back from my beer, this is your only warning...

srjh Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:31:02pm

re: #9 Bagua

Notice how the Red dot is more active than the Blue dot which seems to be following the Red dots lead.

Who knew CO2 had a Red/Blue partisan split?

It's not so much that one follows the other, it's that they're out of sync between the hemispheres.

The pattern you're seeing over the course of the year is a drop during the summer as the biosphere removes carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, and a rise during the winter as man-made and natural sources dominate.

The variation is much more pronounced in the northern hemisphere because both emissions and vegetation are much higher.

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:33:26pm

re: #15 brookly red

step back from my beer, this is your only warning...

LOL
Nice!

srjh Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:34:35pm

re: #16 srjh

Although come to think of it, since the northern hemisphere is driving the change, it probably is fair to say that the southern hemisphere is largely following.

Obdicut Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:36:15pm

re: #18 srjh

Yeah. You can see from this video how that goes for the US, and extrapolate from that. I don't know if he's done one for the full globe.

Youtube Video

brookly red Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:41:26pm

/the sound of one hand clapping...

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:44:16pm

I can't help thinking how clumsy the assassination was on the Hamas official..
What is the current count? 26 people?
You call your cousin in Chicago when you want somebody taken out..They send one guy who is a shadow and never gets caught...
Sloppy work.. There must be more back story than this...

Jimmah Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:45:08pm

re: #19 Obdicut

Yeah. You can see from this video how that goes for the US, and extrapolate from that. I don't know if he's done one for the full globe.

[Video]

This - and the others - need to be seen by anyone who thinks that "it is arrogant to suppose that humans could be responsible for changes to the earth on a global scale". Mans direct influence on atmospheric composition is utterly undeniable as these videos show.

brookly red Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:45:46pm

re: #21 HoosierHoops

I can't help thinking how clumsy the assassination was on the Hamas official..
What is the current count? 26 people?
You call your cousin in Chicago when you want somebody taken out..They send one guy who is a shadow and never gets caught...
Sloppy work.. There must be more back story than this...

you think?

Obdicut Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:47:17pm

re: #22 Jimmah

It also shows, starkly (and, eerily, beautifully) how much US output affects the rest of the world, as well-- and vice versa.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:47:36pm

re: #13 SpaceJesus

No Greater Joy. That's the site where this "Silly Boy" screed comes from. Thanks for jogging my memory.

If you want a laugh, give it a read.

Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:48:22pm

re: #10 Vambo

butbutbut... CO2 is just plant food.

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

Dude, I hate to tell you this but plants don't just feed off of CO2, yes its important and yes they give off oxygen as a by product of photosynthesis, but they also need nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium and a whole host of other minerals. If every man, woman, and child on the planet planted a tree tomorrow, it wouldn't be enough to keep the CO2 levels stable. The deforestation that's occurring across the planet is accelerating the runaway greenhouse effect. Our oceans also absorb tons of CO2 and they're not able to make up for the amount that the volcanoes and humanity are pumping out across the globe. If you want more info I have a whole host of collage horticulture books I can consult on to get you the stats on CO2 to Oxygen ratios that certain plants put out. I hope some of this helps understanding of the problem at hand....

Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:49:14pm

re: #21 HoosierHoops

I can't help thinking how clumsy the assassination was on the Hamas official..
What is the current count? 26 people?
You call your cousin in Chicago when you want somebody taken out..They send one guy who is a shadow and never gets caught...
Sloppy work.. There must be more back story than this...

This stuff works a lot different in real life than it does in the movies. There were probably 100's of people involved in this; handlers, surveillance, coordinators, planners, forgers, technical support, various experts, communications, etc. The lone renegade assassin only works in spy novels. These operations are huge.

Merkin Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:49:16pm

This - and the others - need to be seen by anyone who thinks that "it is arrogant to suppose that humans could be responsible for changes to the earth on a global scale". Mans direct influence on atmospheric composition is utterly undeniable as these videos show.

If we have have learned anything from all of this is that nothing is undeniable for the truly deluded.

windsagio Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:49:22pm

re: #13 SpaceJesus

"Funny" sidenote on that, the number of times adopted kids are mentioned. Is there something about that crowd that makes them really like to adopt?

Obdicut Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:49:45pm

re: #26 Dragon_Lady

I do believe he was being the sarcastic.

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:50:44pm

re: #23 brookly red

you think?

Yes I do..This seems to make Mossad look sloppy..When was the last time they got caught doing anything? They are Pro's...
Let's put 26 pictures of our agents on fake passports.. I think there is a lot more to this story.

brookly red Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:51:24pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

This stuff works a lot different in real life than it does in the movies. There were probably 100's of people involved in this; handlers, surveillance, coordinators, planners, forgers, technical support, various experts, communications, etc. The lone renegade assassin only works in spy novels. These operations are huge.

/ a great illustration of the redundancy of big government.

Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:52:14pm

re: #30 Obdicut

I do believe he was being the sarcastic.

Ya know without the sarc tags I have a real hard time telling sarcasm from genuine confusion or other emotions. This type of communications can be real unemotional without some indicators. Sorry! :-(

brookly red Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:52:21pm

re: #31 HoosierHoops

Yes I do..This seems to make Mossad look sloppy..When was the last time they got caught doing anything? They are Pro's...
Let's put 26 pictures of our agents on fake passports.. I think there is a lot more to this story.

of course there is...

Obdicut Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:53:37pm

re: #33 Dragon_Lady

I can tell that you are sorry from the frowny face! That's awesome.

By the way, your points about the deforestation occurring at the same time we're overloading the atmosphere with CO2 are spot on.

avanti Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:53:59pm

Palin opens sixth seal:

"IDAHO FALLS, ID—Speaking unto an audience of anti-immigration advocates, global-warming deniers, and members of the Tea Party Nation, former Alaska governor and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin gave forth utterances Monday that reportedly opened the sixth seal of the Book of the Apocalypse.

"Wow, it's good to be here, just shootin' the breeze with a bunch of real, hardworking Americans who love their freedom," said Palin, her words echoing across the Idaho Falls Civic Auditorium as mighty tremors caused great unrest beneath the land and the sea. "So are the little guys like you and me gonna fight these Washington insiders with their big government agenda? You betcha we are!"

And lo, there was then a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair; and the moon became as blood; and "gosh" was spoken repeatedly; and the stars of heaven fell upon the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken by a mighty wind."
Sixth seal.

brookly red Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:54:14pm

re: #28 Merkin

If we have have learned anything from all of this is that nothing is undeniable for the truly deluded.

wow, talk about a double edged sword...

Stonemason Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:54:42pm

re: #29 windsagio

They practice what they Preach?

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:57:20pm

re: #36 avanti

What will break the Seventh Seal? Libertarian Glenn Beck doing some in-depth, pro-agw shows on Fox?

Bagua Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:57:31pm

re: #16 srjh

It's not so much that one follows the other, it's that they're out of sync between the hemispheres.

The pattern you're seeing over the course of the year is a drop during the summer as the biosphere removes carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, and a rise during the winter as man-made and natural sources dominate.

The variation is much more pronounced in the northern hemisphere because both emissions and vegetation are much higher.

Whaa? Everybody knows the Red is the Republican gas and the Blue is the Democrat gas. You trying to confuse me with tricksy facts?

Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:57:45pm

re: #35 Obdicut

I can tell that you are sorry from the frowny face! That's awesome.

By the way, your points about the deforestation occurring at the same time we're overloading the atmosphere with CO2 are spot on.

Thanks! I like frowny faces and smiley faces, they help me convey my mind and sincerity. I spent over twenty years studying horticulture until I injured my back, somehow lifting 150 lb trees lost its appeal with muscle spasms running down my legs and up my back. I have over 80 plants throughout my apartment and on the front porch. I'm trying to contribute to the oxygen balance but I'd have to have over an acre to do any good I'm afraid. :-)

Bagua Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:59:06pm

re: #15 brookly red

step back from my beer, this is your only warning...

Your beer is safe, 'fizzy drinks' refers to carbonated beverages such as Pepsi.

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Feb 24, 2010 4:59:42pm

re: #35 Obdicut

I can tell that you are sorry from the frowny face! That's awesome.

By the way, your points about the deforestation occurring at the same time we're overloading the atmosphere with CO2 are spot on.

A couple of months ago I brought up the point of the great lose of Rain forests from development for decades..I have been reading about it since I was a kid...We have been warned that this was going to bite us in this ass for years...You can't clear cut the amazon without environmental issues.
There was discussion of this long before AGW became into being

windsagio Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:00:26pm

re: #38 Stonemason

hah I have no idea what to say to that :p

brookly red Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:00:33pm

re: #42 Bagua

Your beer is safe, 'fizzy drinks' refers to carbonated beverages such as Pepsi.

OK, (thumbs up safety)

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:01:31pm

re: #42 Bagua

Your beer is safe, 'fizzy drinks' refers to carbonated beverages such as Pepsi.

And Alco Pops.

Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:02:19pm

re: #31 HoosierHoops

Yes I do..This seems to make Mossad look sloppy..When was the last time they got caught doing anything? They are Pro's...
Let's put 26 pictures of our agents on fake passports.. I think there is a lot more to this story.

They get "caught" all the time. They poison people's chocolates, give them exploding phones, etc. They only get busted after the fact. That may have been the point. They want Hamas terrorists to know that they aren't safe even in Muslim countries. The Israelis can operate anywhere and they might have been making a point of letting terrorists know it.

Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:04:01pm

Well, my offer stands, I would be glad to go through my collage books for the CO2 to Oxygen ratio if anyone's interested. I'll have to do it before my new jobs starts, hopefully. I have about a week to get it done. I have to go get RWC at the train station. I'll be back later. Later Lizards! :-)

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:07:39pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

They get "caught" all the time. They poison people's chocolates, give them exploding phones, etc. They only get busted after the fact. That may have been the point. They want Hamas terrorists to know that they aren't safe even in Muslim countries. The Israelis can operate anywhere and they might have been making a point of letting terrorists know it.

Good points..Maybe It's just me but when I can see 26 assassins pictures on CNN I'd classify that as a epic fail

Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:13:31pm

re: #49 HoosierHoops

Good points..Maybe It's just me but when I can see 26 assassins pictures on CNN I'd classify that as a epic fail

Having them all in jail before the operation would be an epic fail. Every high level Hamas terrorist is now shitting pickles no matter where they are in the world. No matter how safe they felt last month they are all now living in paranoid fear.

Jimmah Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:14:54pm

re: #33 Dragon_Lady

Ya know without the sarc tags I have a real hard time telling sarcasm from genuine confusion or other emotions. This type of communications can be real unemotional without some indicators. Sorry! :-(

Don't worry, Dragon_Lady - I'm sure we've all made that mistake at some point or other here. It can be hard to tell when one isn't familiar with the poster's opinions - after all, some people would have made that comment in all seriousness. As Jorge Luis Borges once wrote -

"We live in an age where every idiocy has it's champion"

Racer X Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:15:03pm

re: #49 HoosierHoops

Good points..Maybe It's just me but when I can see 26 assassins pictures on CNN I'd classify that as a epic fail

What if those 26 were all distractions. They have no idea who actually murdered the guy.

Obdicut Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:15:39pm

re: #52 Racer X

Maybe they were there to kill 26 other people too.

Racer X Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:17:38pm

re: #53 Obdicut

Maybe they were there to kill 26 other people too.

It certainly is unfolding as bizarre.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:17:47pm

re: #13 SpaceJesus

Well, that's nauseating.

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:20:39pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Having them all in jail before the operation would be an epic fail. Every high level Hamas terrorist is now shitting pickles no matter where they are in the world. No matter how safe they felt last month they are all now living in paranoid fear.

I'm not getting any warm and fuzzy feeling any one in Hamas cares about dying..It's sad really KT...They only want to kill in the name of God...
They know death is knocking on the door..They simply don't care..
Fear will not win this war

Jeff In Ohio Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:25:09pm

re: #51 Jimmah

Don't worry, Dragon_Lady - I'm sure we've all made that mistake at some point or other here. It can be hard to tell when one isn't familiar with the poster's opinions - after all, some people would have made that comment in all seriousness. As Jorge Luis Borges once wrote -

"We live in an age where every idiocy has it's champion"

Jeff In Ohios Simple Guide To The Ridiculous:
1. If it's to ridiculous to be true, then it's sarcasm.
2. If the person was truly being ridiculous, I don't believe a teachable moment has been lost and the next time I'll just double down on the ridiculousness.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:26:42pm

re: #57 Jeff In Ohio

Jeff In Ohios Simple Guide To The Ridiculous:
1. If it's to ridiculous to be true, then it's sarcasm.
2. If the person was truly being ridiculous, I don't believe a teachable moment has been lost and the next time I'll just double down on the ridiculousness.

There is no ridiculousness that does not have a champion somewhere on the web. I bet I could find a defender of mashed peas, if I tried.

(Plus, as a bonus, there is usually a really ugly eye-searing website explaining exactly how the ancient Aztecs and the Egyptians were aliens, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam.)

Obdicut Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:27:51pm

re: #58 EmmmieG

Actually, it's a pretty nice website.

[Link: stargate.mgm.com...]

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:29:42pm

re: #56 HoosierHoops

I'm not getting any warm and fuzzy feeling any one in Hamas cares about dying..It's sad really KT...They only want to kill in the name of God...
They know death is knocking on the door..They simply don't care..
Fear will not win this war

Actually, fear is a key part of our arsenal right now. Hamas has to be scared into rethinking their ideals of Jew murder.

goddamnedfrank Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:33:02pm

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth

What will break the Seventh Seal? Libertarian Glenn Beck doing some in-depth, pro-agw shows on Fox?

While Lord Monckton serves them tea and crumpets.

The Sanity Inspector Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:34:51pm

I can haz trafik kop?

Youtube Video

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:36:26pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Actually, fear is a key part of our arsenal right now. Hamas has to be scared into rethinking their ideals of Jew murder.

It didn't bother me this man deserved to die..
It does bother me he was tortured and a Electric current was sent through his balls.. Yes..It bothers me deeply...This isn't right...I guess somebody got info from this dude..Doesn't make it right...

Jeff In Ohio Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:37:09pm

re: #58 EmmmieG

I bet I could find a defender of mashed peas, if I tried.

True dat. But peas, mashed or not, without flax meal and butter mixed in are just a mess of green squirrel shit. Really, just go out in your yard and wrangle a squirrel and squeeze the shit out of it, it's the same thing.

(rule #2)

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:37:46pm

re: #63 HoosierHoops

It didn't bother me this man deserved to die..
It does bother me he was tortured and a Electric current was sent through his balls.. Yes..It bothers me deeply...This isn't right...I guess somebody got info from this dude..Doesn't make it right...

You've got a point about the torture. I'm not sure exactly how I feel about it.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:37:55pm

re: #59 Obdicut

Actually, it's a pretty nice website.

[Link: stargate.mgm.com...]

Durn it. I tried to find the original, which I found a few years back. I had been looking for a good graffic of a Mayan headdress for a project.

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:51:36pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

You've got a point about the torture. I'm not sure exactly how I feel about it.

Hi Bro..
We will not this religious war ( Folks..Face it..It's a religious war)
We will not win by fear of death..
We cannot win by the head severed ala Nick Berg on Youtube
We will not win by Hate or Torture
We will not win by Death by drones
We win win by who we are and what we stand for..
In the end..Ideas will lose or win for America...
The beauty of America is our Values.. I pray to God it will always drive our politics.

The Sanity Inspector Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:57:29pm

Back to the CO2 video: The red dot on Mauna Loa, taken by itself, is The Keeling Curve. It was one of the first sets of observations that led to the postulation of AGW.

The Sanity Inspector Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:59:02pm

re: #67 HoosierHoops

Hi Bro..
We will not this religious war ( Folks..Face it..It's a religious war)
We will not win by fear of death..
We cannot win by the head severed ala Nick Berg on Youtube
We will not win by Hate or Torture
We will not win by Death by drones
We win win by who we are and what we stand for..
In the end..Ideas will lose or win for America...
The beauty of America is our Values.. I pray to God it will always drive our politics.

I hope the Israelis got some actionable intelligence out of the slithering filth before they did away with him.

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 24, 2010 5:59:20pm

re: #67 HoosierHoops

Hi Bro..
We will not this religious war ( Folks..Face it..It's a religious war)
We will not win by fear of death..
We cannot win by the head severed ala Nick Berg on Youtube
We will not win by Hate or Torture
We will not win by Death by drones
We win win by who we are and what we stand for..
In the end..Ideas will lose or win for America...
The beauty of America is our Values.. I pray to God it will always drive our politics.

Our values can keep us in the game, but we still have to hammer the enemy hard enough to give them the incentive to reexamine their values. And we have to do this without giving up what it means to be American.

mich-again Wed, Feb 24, 2010 6:13:42pm

I don't question that the CO2 level in the atmosphere has increased. I do wonder why we only seem to hear about how the buildup is due to burning of fossil fuels, and never because of rampant deforestation around the globe. I'm sure its some combination of those effects leading to the overall trend.

But any long-term solution has to address both sides of the equation or it won't accomplish much if anything.

SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 24, 2010 6:32:23pm

re: #25 Slumbering Behemoth

No Greater Joy. That's the site where this "Silly Boy" screed comes from. Thanks for jogging my memory.

If you want a laugh, give it a read.

what the fuck, haha

Cato the Elder Wed, Feb 24, 2010 6:33:57pm

Of course (pace the Israel thread from earlier today), if you're a Palestinian, you could interpret this differently.

jmmejzz Wed, Feb 24, 2010 7:26:10pm

Hmm, that coincides pretty good with the non-warming that's occurred since the mid-90's.

jmmejzz Wed, Feb 24, 2010 7:33:07pm

[Link: www.realclimate.org...]

lostlakehiker Wed, Feb 24, 2010 7:53:16pm

To be fair, the more sober wing of the let's not do anything lobby concedes that CO2 is rising because of human use of fossil fuels, and secondarily, because of deforestation.

They also concede that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

They will even concede that perhaps this extra CO2 will make things warmer.

And then they argue that unless we know for absolute certain that it will make things warmer, and unless we know for sure exactly how much warmer, and unless we know for sure that the harmful consequences far outweigh the helpful ones, and unless we know for sure that the steps we propose to take will solve the problem, the best thing to do is sit tight and gather more data.

Of course, sitting tight is not what we're doing. We're pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere at an accelerating rate.

Of course, we can never know the information they want to the "for sure" standard.

Of course, even if we did, they'd want still more assurance.

The one legitimate point they make is that the steps proposed in the Kyoto Protocol, and then at Copenhagen, would be both very expensive and quite futile. Absent dramatic increases in energy production from wind, solar, nuclear, and other green sources, industrial civilizations simply aren't going to back off and use less coal and forgo the advantages of electricity. Even if the U.S. and Europe did so, which we won't, China and India's rising and already greater production would be sufficient to keep AGW pumping away.

Conservation, frugality, and rationing are fun to talk about over herbal tea and arrugula salad, but they're a lot less attractive to the broad masses and to the ruling elites than they are to the chattering class. Scrimping and saving with no end in sight and no hope for a better future just won't fly.

Reginald Perrin Wed, Feb 24, 2010 8:15:38pm

re: #75 jmmejzz

I hate to rain on your parade but your link to RealClimate does nothing to refute the fact that CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels is responsible for the current warming of the earths atmosphere and oceans.

Climate Denial Crock of the Week - The "Temp leads Carbon" Crock

pragmatist Wed, Feb 24, 2010 8:28:34pm

You know, you can't really see CO2. So some people tend to ignore the
consequences of much too much of it in the atmosphere.

So try this experiment.

The next time you are in Las Vegas head out east to visit one of the marvels of engineering, the Hoover Dam. Even though it will cost more, you should pay to visit all of the open engineering spaces. And outside pay attention and you can see where they buried a dog accidentally killed during construction. (As a pet person that made my wife very sad).

Then head back west late in the afternoon.

Look carefully at the far horizon.

Ask yourself what that big old smudge you see in the sky might be.

"Oh my goodness, you mean we are actually BREATHING all that junk on the way to the casinos and that Penn and Teller show? YUCK"

That is a very visible sign of how human acts affect the environment. I am fairly certain the water level won't rise high enough to swamp Las Vegas. But do you all really want to spend the rest of your life breathing all that stuff?

Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:50:36am

re: #78 pragmatist

You know, you can't really see CO2. So some people tend to ignore the
consequences of much too much of it in the atmosphere.

So try this experiment.

The next time you are in Las Vegas head out east to visit one of the marvels of engineering, the Hoover Dam. Even though it will cost more, you should pay to visit all of the open engineering spaces. And outside pay attention and you can see where they buried a dog accidentally killed during construction. (As a pet person that made my wife very sad).

Then head back west late in the afternoon.

Look carefully at the far horizon.

Ask yourself what that big old smudge you see in the sky might be.

"Oh my goodness, you mean we are actually BREATHING all that junk on the way to the casinos and that Penn and Teller show? YUCK"

That is a very visible sign of how human acts affect the environment. I am fairly certain the water level won't rise high enough to swamp Las Vegas. But do you all really want to spend the rest of your life breathing all that stuff?

"It's no good asking if the air's any good when there's nothing else to breathe." --King Henry II in The Lion in Winter

filetandrelease Thu, Feb 25, 2010 6:50:00am

Charles, that is a very nice and convincing illustration. If the scientist would take their arrogance and condescension out of their arguments, as you have, their efforts to convince the global population that something needs to be done would not be in a shambles.

Numbers don't lie, leave that to politicians.

ShaunP Thu, Feb 25, 2010 6:59:38am

re: #75 jmmejzz

[Link: www.realclimate.org...]

At the very bottom of your link:

"Update May 2007: We have a fuller exposition of this on a more recent post."

ShaunP Thu, Feb 25, 2010 7:03:59am

re: #74 jmmejzz

Hmm, that coincides pretty good with the non-warming that's occurred since the mid-90's.

Top 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All Been In Last 13 Years

MKELLY Thu, Feb 25, 2010 9:37:41am

re: #77 Reginald Perrin

Reginald, please assist me. At time 7:10 of the video in quoting the paper the word "may" is used about the forcing of CO2 versus words like does or will. If the video is sited as proof then why use the word "may"?

Also please tell me how the "weak" Milankovitch(sp) variations can override the CO2 at the top of the cycle and drive the temperature down.

Lastly, the difference in CO2 from bottom of cylce to top of the cycle in glaciation is roughly 180 ppm to 300 ppm which is larger than the difference between pre-industrial to now, 288 to 388. Shouldn't we have seen temperatures stay high?

Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 25, 2010 10:41:10am

Here come the deniers again.

karmasherabwangchuk Thu, Feb 25, 2010 10:44:34am

uhh what exactly is the news here? that since the beginning of the Industrial revolution CO2 has increased from 280 to 380 ppm? this is disputed by nobody.

karmasherabwangchuk Thu, Feb 25, 2010 11:08:43am

here come the warmists again. wasn't that a brian eno song?

MKelly Thu, Feb 25, 2010 11:46:47am

re: #84 Charles

So do you help me understand or just call names?

freetoken Thu, Feb 25, 2010 1:10:28pm

re: #87 MKelly

So do you help me understand or just call names?

If you really want to "understand", why don't you study some of the very numerous online resources that go into detail about the energy budget of the Earth's surface?

MKELLY Thu, Feb 25, 2010 1:48:04pm

re: #88 freetoken

You make an unwarranted assumption about what I have and have not studied. I watched the video linked to and have questions about that video. If you can answer the questions please do.

Reginald Perrin Thu, Feb 25, 2010 1:49:26pm

re: #83 MKELLY

Which of the three Milankovich cycles were you referring to and what do you mean by weak?

Why do you assume that Milankovich cycles and CO2 are the only factors that lead to and then out of glacial periods, nobody has ever made that claim? There are numerous other factors involved, try opening your mind and doing some research instead of trolling blogs.
You deniers have the tendency to be binary thinkers and do not see the interconnectedness of everything. You look for words to parse or view an insignificant error in a 950 page report as proof that global warming has been disproved.

BTW, your sarcastic reply to Charles isn't going to help win you any friends here and is going to most likely get you written off as just another silly little troll.

MKelly Thu, Feb 25, 2010 2:15:08pm

re: #90 Reginald Perrin

The video used the word "weak" when referring to the cycles. And I don't assume anything. I ask you questions about the video you linked. If you are not able to answer the questions please say so.

I read and listen. Words have meanings and educated people use words to convey ideas. The word "may" has a meaning and cannot be used to imply proof as the video claims. Does and will would denote an absolute that leaves no doubt, but the authors of the study in the video must have some level of doubt since they used the word "may". If they have doubt why shouldn't I.

I was not being sarcastic. I asked a question and get called a name. Although milder than most still no answer to questions just name calling.

You call me a denier but you have no idea what I believe or think. Any question at all gets the same response, name calling. No honest give and take just name calling.

Reginald Perrin Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:17:44pm

re: #91 MKelly

I called you a denier after I took the time to go into the archives and read all of your past comments.

I am on the side of not accepting the idea that CO2 is causing global warming.

Varek Raith Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:45:33pm

re: #87 MKelly

Oh, please, drop the ploy. Nothing, I say NOTHING, will convince you that AGW is really and truly happening.

Conservative Physicist Fri, Feb 26, 2010 12:37:22pm

I would like to point out two things....

1) Correlation does not mean causation
2) Which came first, higher CO2 levels and then higher temperatures or higher temperatures and then higher CO2 levels...

The earth's carbon dioxide cycle should LOWER temps as CO2 levels rise since more CO2 can dissolve in the oceans however this process requires 400,000 YEARS to see any REAL change. So over a small 100 year data set (or even 2000 years per Dr. Mann's graph) you can easily imagine that you would see both increased carbon dioxide and higher temps as shown since 1979.

This is not to say there is NOT a correlation (because although correlation does not necessarily PROVE causation, they certainly can be linked). But until scientists can PROVE that increased CO2 came first then higher temps, I'm not jumping on EITHER bandwagon.

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