Congressional & reality in the same sentence... only the Onion.

The blatant product placement is right on.

heh... swiffers...

The Onion folks are excellent at finding congressie looking critters.

re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Onion folks are excellent at finding congressie looking critters.

They do damn good newscasters, too.

re: #5 Cato the Elder

Oh, heck yeah.

re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, heck yeah.

it would be interesting to show an Onion clip and not call it satire... I bet the majority would think it was real.

Still the most accurate news analysis on the planet.

where is everybody...

/// look! it's Sarah Palin...

WOOHOOO!!!!

The Netherlands today took it's 100th gold medal in Olympic history!! And WHAT a medal! The first ever Dutch victory on a snow event. Nicolien Sauerbreij won the giant snowboard slalom!

Sorry for this off topic info but this news just came in and was very welcome over here in The Netherlands!

YEEEHAAA!!

re: #10 William of Orange

WOOHOOO!!!

The Netherlands today took it's 100th gold medal in Olympic history!! And WHAT a medal! The first ever Dutch victory on a snow event. Nicolien Sauerbreij won the giant snowboard slalom!

Sorry for this off topic info but this news just came in and was very welcome over here in The Netherlands!

YEEEHAAA!!

have a beer & some cheese for me!

And for more nonsense....

This is epically funny!!!

What we need is turtle fences!!

This is my favorite recent one:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

My brother (who speaks Danish) told me they're really speaking Danish in the video.

re: #11 brookly red

have a beer & some cheese for me!

I was hoping for some smoked Gouda...

re: #14 brookly red

I was hoping for some smoked Gouda...

Nah! That stuff is impossible to keep lit, and it gunks up your pipes.

re: #15 Guanxi88

Nah! That stuff is impossible to keep lit, and it gunks up your pipes.

bake it into bread.

re: #7 brookly red

it would be interesting to show an Onion clip and not call it satire... I bet the majority would think it was real.

People have taken some of their print stories seriously:

[Link: www.danwei.org...]

re: #17 Mad Al-Jaffee

People have taken some of their print stories seriously:

[Link: www.danwei.org...]

The 'gay agenda in schools' story some years ago was taken seriously both by horrified anti-gay activists and by horrified pro-gay activists. And FORWARDED to me by both groups.

Rangel... still a free man. What is wrong with this picture?

re: #19 brookly red

Rangel... still a free man. What is wrong with this picture?

Poor choice of words.

re: #19 brookly red

Rangel... still a free man criminal. What is wrong with this picture?

Fixed for Cato.

re: #20 Cato the Elder

Poor choice of words.

perhaps that is the problem after all... allow me to re-phrase. Rangel, not in jail yet. What is wrong with this picture? Happy now?

re: #22 brookly red

perhaps that is the problem after all... allow me to re-phrase. Rangel, not in jail yet. What is wrong with this picture? Happy now?

Why should he be? It was all a satffers fault! I know this because Rangle told us so! If anything, he should be applauded for conducting an exhastive in house investigation amongst his own staff to find the fall guy culprit

Politician are clowns.

re: #23 sattv4u2

Why should he be? It was all a satffers fault! I know this because Rangle told us so! If anything, he should be applauded for conducting an exhastive in house investigation amongst his own staff to find the fall guy culprit

Oh the staffer... how stupid of me!

I am feeling like some pasta right about now... linguine perhaps... maybe some mushrooms, onions and olives... yeah I am feeling that.

Congressional Reality Show

100 Senators, 435 Representatives, 1 President = 536 contestants

We can vote 1 contestant off the Hill every week....

This show's gonna run forever!

re: #24 Bagua

Politician are clowns.

why insult clowns!?!?!
//

re: #22 brookly red

perhaps that is the problem after all... allow me to re-phrase. Rangel, not in jail yet. What is wrong with this picture? Happy now?

I would settle for his being stripped of his chairmanship, for starters. On that, I believe, we can agree.

re: #24 Bagua

Politician are clowns.

Politician are clowns whores.

re: #28 Cato the Elder

I would settle for his being stripped of his chairmanship, for starters. On that, I believe, we can agree.

tax evasion is still a crime for you & me...

A felony IIRC...

re: #24 Bagua

Politician are clowns.

Batman vs. Joker

re: #28 Cato the Elder

I would settle for his being stripped of his chairmanship, for starters. On that, I believe, we can agree.

Why... is this really as important as everyone is trying to make it out to be. I don't think so. The GOP just needs some sort of deflection from the health care reform debate.

re: #25 brookly red

Oh the staffer... how stupid of me!

I am feeling like some pasta right about now... linguine perhaps... maybe some mushrooms, onions and olives... yeah I am feeling that.

Awesome..Go for an awesome salad also.. Eggs, Cheese, Veggies, Fruit...
It's really good for you...
Best of luck finding work soon...
Regards

re: #33 HoosierHoops

Awesome..Go for an awesome salad also.. Eggs, Cheese, Veggies, Fruit...
It's really good for you...
Best of luck finding work soon...
Regards

Did you get the last email. To answer you here, I don't have any college education, none, went right from high school to work, two days later... been working ever since (well, not so much these last 5 years)...

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

Why... is this really as important as everyone is trying to make it out to be. I don't think so. The GOP just needs some sort of deflection from the health care reform debate.

I'll call you this weekend Walter..

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

Why... is this really as important as everyone is trying to make it out to be. I don't think so. The GOP just needs some sort of deflection from the health care reform debate.

/well maybe they could whip up a a righteous frenzy about unemployment... that should get 1 in 5 on board.

re: #35 HoosierHoops

I'll call you this weekend Walter..

I should be in all weekend, have no plans, Sat. night through Monday morning it may be snowing, so, probably won't be running around the county on the roads.

re: #27 sattv4u2

why insult clowns!?!?!
//

Good point, I retract that comment. Clowns deserve more respect.

re: #38 Bagua

Good point, I retract that comment. Clowns deserve more respect.

Breast Implants Save Woman's Life

Com'on... don't you just have to read a news item that contains the line

"So don't go getting breast enhancements as a means to deflect a possible incoming bullet."

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Did you get the last email. To answer you here, I don't have any college education, none, went right from high school to work, two days later... been working ever since (well, not so much these last 5 years)...

I'm so Sorry Walter..I really am..You write clean code..
You know who I work for...The min. is a BA in your field..Most of the Oracle programmers have a Masters degree..My smoking hot HR lady has a Doctorate degree from Stanford or some such shit...I am sorry..
Lucky for you.. I have a buddy that is a Techie in Denver..I will put out feelers for you.. Thus the call the call this weekend...He knows the field and has worked for dozens of IT companies there.. We'll talk

re: #38 Bagua

Good point, I retract that comment. Clowns deserve more respect.

clowns make people laugh... I don't see many smiling let alone laughing walking down my block.

re: #41 HoosierHoops

I'm so Sorry Walter..I really am..You write clean code..
You know who I work for...The min. is a BA in your field..Most of the Oracle programmers have a Masters degree..My smoking hot HR lady has a Doctorate degree from Stanford or some such shit...I am sorry..
Lucky for you.. I have a buddy that is a Techie in Denver..I will put out feelers for you.. Thus the call the call this weekend...He knows the field and has worked for dozens of IT companies there.. We'll talk

Good... works for me.

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Did you get the last email. To answer you here, I don't have any college education, none, went right from high school to work, two days later... been working ever since (well, not so much these last 5 years)...

I thought we decided we were opening up a male escort service !?!?!

re: #44 sattv4u2

I thought we decided we were opening up a male escort service !?!?!

ACORN is no longer available for tax consulting.

Bear Dogs of DC

re: #45 Decatur Deb

ACORN is no longer available for tax consulting.

Maybe Barney Franks ex live in lover can give us hints on how to run one!

re: #47 sattv4u2

Maybe Barney Franks ex live in lover can give us hints on how to run one!

I hear it's tricky--lots of foot tapping code to learn.

re: #47 sattv4u2

Maybe Barney Franks ex live in lover can give us hints on how to run one!

/nothing the IRS can't instruct you on... bend over & keep saying that you like it...

re: #42 brookly red

clowns make people laugh... I don't see many smiling let alone laughing walking down my block.

I retract and apologize, it is insulting to the clowns to compare them with politicians.

re: #41 HoosierHoops

I'm so Sorry Walter..I really am..You write clean code..
You know who I work for...The min. is a BA in your field..Most of the Oracle programmers have a Masters degree..My smoking hot HR lady has a Doctorate degree from Stanford or some such shit...I am sorry..
Lucky for you.. I have a buddy that is a Techie in Denver..I will put out feelers for you.. Thus the call the call this weekend...He knows the field and has worked for dozens of IT companies there.. We'll talk

And on another topic that you comment above brings up, I have never understood the "need" that some companies have for degrees. I don't mean that if you have one, it shouldn't be an advantage to helping you find employment, but it shouldn't be a brick wall to working at company "X."

I started working with computers way before they had any meaningful courses available for that "science." I was programming computers before most people even had daily access to them.

In 30 years, I've written code solutions to every business rule that exists, now a days it's only a matter of repeating something I have done many times over to "solve" a need in a software application. And when the occasional "new" problem arises, it's really just an old problem in a new container, ergo, basic problem already solved.

I ask you, the same question I have asked over and over, what kind of practical knowledge does a BA or Masters in computer science (or just any degree) give me that I probably don't already have after 30 years of doing this?

Something I have never understood.

re: #44 sattv4u2

I thought we decided we were opening up a male escort service !?!?!

I have a headache.

re: #50 Bagua

I retract and apologize, it is insulting to the clowns to compare them with politicians.

Accepted.
clowns work hard & provide a service...

re: #50 Bagua

I retract and apologize, it is insulting to the clowns to compare them with politicians.

*SMACK*

THANK YOU SIR! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

With you 100%. There are hundreds of engineers and technicians in the company I work for. I know many of them. Some have degrees, some have multiple degrees, some have no degrees. Without prior knowledge, sitting and talking to them you can't tell one from another

Obama To Announce Way Forward On Health Care Next Week

The White House will announce next week -- "probably closer to Wednesday" -- the president's preferred path forward for getting health care legislation passed, spokesman Robert Gibbs said on Friday.

"The President will take into account what he heard yesterday, work through with the team some ideas and make an announcement next week about the way forward," Gibbs said.

Gibbs declined to get into specifics. But the widespread assumption on Capitol Hill is that Obama will address specific changes that he wants made to the Senate's version of the legislation (beyond the proposals he set forth in his own outline this week) and that he will encourage Congress to pass those changes using reconciliation, a procedure that precludes a filibuster.

Here's how it will probably play out....
Should Democrats Take Republican Reconciliation Threats Seriously?

Conversations with reconciliation experts suggest that the minority can in fact flood the zone with amendments--but it also shows that Democrats can circumvent them if they want to.

Let's say the Republicans offer 100 politically charged amendments to the reconciliation bill, none of which are germane. Democrats can move to waive all of them, and, as the Republican aide said, the minority can force a vote on the motion to waive.

But it's important to remember: Reconciliation is intended to be an expedited process. It allows for 20 hours of debate, after which all amendments must be disposed of in a so-called "vote-arama." So all of those amendments (or motions to waive the amendments) must be voted on in rapid succession.

My guess is that they'll include some of the Republican suggestions as a token gesture but I don't think they expect to get Republican votes. It'll be interesting to see how this plays with the public.

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

I have a headache.

I'm married to you !?!?!?

Arrrgh! Quoted wrong person!

re: #49 brookly red

/nothing the IRS can't instruct you on... bend over & keep saying that you like it...

*SMACK*

THANK YOU SIR! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?

Remember, only a licensed professional should post without preview!

re: #54 SteveC

*SMACK*

THANK YOU SIR! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?

no. your policy does not cover...

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

And on another topic that you comment above brings up, I have never understood the "need" that some companies have for degrees. I don't mean that if you have one, it shouldn't be an advantage to helping you find employment, but it shouldn't be a brick wall to working at company "X."

I started working with computers way before they had any meaningful courses available for that "science." I was programming computers before most people even had daily access to them.

In 30 years, I've written code solutions to every business rule that exists, now a days it's only a matter of repeating something I have done many times over to "solve" a need in a software application. And when the occasional "new" problem arises, it's really just an old problem in a new container, ergo, basic problem already solved.

I ask you, the same question I have asked over and over, what kind of practical knowledge does a BA or Masters in computer science (or just any degree) give me that I probably don't already have after 30 years of doing this?

Something I have never understood.

Is there no process by which your output can be your reference, like a medieval guild's masterpiece?

I don't know why I suddenly thought of this song, but maybe it has something do to with Washington.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Looks like a fun rainy day project: Fresh Ricotta in Five Minutes or Less

You could also make some homemade pasta and make ravioli.

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Obama To Announce Way Forward On Health Care Next Week

My guess is that they'll include some of the Republican suggestions as a token gesture but I don't think they expect to get Republican votes. It'll be interesting to see how this plays with the public.

For a quess, what portion of the electorate could distinguish reconciliation from reconstituted orange juice? We are the nerds who sat up front in Civics.

re: #63 Decatur Deb

We Are The Nerds! Great LGF banner.

re: #30 brookly red

tax evasion is still a crime for you & me...

A felony IIRC...

Paying income tax in America is Voluntary

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Looks like a fun rainy day project: Fresh Ricotta in Five Minutes or Less

You could also make some homemade pasta and make ravioli.

Vinny, the contract is no... repeat no... call you later, sorry about your sister...

re: #61 Cato the Elder

She's my role model for going silver.

re: #64 prairiefire

We Are The Nerds! Great LGF banner.

*Grab hands and start singing*

We are the nerds
We are the children
We don't like the crap
That you're givin'

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

Good... works for me.

My buddy has done IT there for along time...We'll get ya something..
I like your code..You are a good programmer...I gave up that crap years ago and went into System Admin work..
Have you considered working as a programmer for logistics work?
A lot of 3rd party WMS systems use Socket Calls into a Database that is pretty easy language and standard API's... There is lots of work in logistics software right now...Think HighJump Software and visit the web site to get an idea of what I am talking about...
You simply implement their software solution to run a workplace..Scanguns in Wal-mart..Shipping schedules...All phases of WMS...
Highjump loves me...I'm this close to having them send me a high priced hooker..*wink*
Remember in Mrs. Robinson the dude at the pool said the future is Plastics? Welcome to 2010.. It's now Logistics software...

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Yeah, I don't think the public is going to care very much. However, after the bill is implemented and if it starts to reduce costs it might be pretty popular. The Republicans might look like douchebags. If it flops (which I don't think it will) the Dems are going to look bad.

re: #51 Walter L. Newton
/// Cause a degree looks good in a frame////

re: #60 Decatur Deb

Is there no process by which your output can be your reference, like a medieval guild's masterpiece?

Output... you mean code samples. SUre, I have pages of code sample, I sent some to HH because he had a lead on some possible employment, as a seasoned programmer, he can certainly see that I know what I talk of.

But if his company requires BA's or Master's degrees as part of the employment qualifications, there is nothing I can do about that, nor probably he can do about it.

My domestic partner, she does what I do, difference is she is currently has a job she has had for about 12 years. She know what I can do, she has seen what I can do when I am working on a part time contract job, she says she hasn't seen much better.

Really, this is simply a fact, but a lot of what has happened to my career has to do with "ageism." I'm 57, and no matter how talented I am, in the larger scheme of numbers and money, I am a red mark on a ledger sheet.

My age makes me a burden on a benefits plan, they think my age (true or not) precludes me form working as many hours as they may need and all sort of other negatives related to my age.

I've been told by IT recruiters, you know, "off record" that my age will make it difficult to find full time work.

That's just the facts, and I have been dealing with the facts the for over 5 years now.

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I don't think the public is going to care very much. However, after the bill is implemented and if it starts to reduce costs it might be pretty popular. The Republicans might look like douchebags. If it flops (which I don't think it will) the Dems are going to look bad.

with all due respect we will take great offense... great offense.

re: #70 Killgore Trout

starts to reduce costs

reduce costs for who? How?
How does adding millions of people into a system that don't have the wherewhithal to financially contribute in 'reduce costs"!?!

re: #69 HoosierHoops

My buddy has done IT there for along time...We'll get ya something..
I like your code..You are a good programmer...I gave up that crap years ago and went into System Admin work..
Have you considered working as a programmer for logistics work?
A lot of 3rd party WMS systems use Socket Calls into a Database that is pretty easy language and standard API's... There is lots of work in logistics software right now...Think HighJump Software and visit the web site to get an idea of what I am talking about...
You simply implement their software solution to run a workplace..Scanguns in Wal-mart..Shipping schedules...All phases of WMS...
Highjump loves me...I'm this close to having them send me a high priced hooker..*wink*
Remember in Mrs. Robinson the dude at the pool said the future is Plastics? Welcome to 2010.. It's now Logistics software...

Er... no, never saw the movie.

For those of you planing your spring garden you might want to consider adding mushrooms. Outdoor Mushroom Patches work well and I've used them in the past. This year I'm trying the "Three Amigos". I'll let you know how it goes.

re: #71 Cathypop

I lost the diploma argument with my code monkey son years ago. He's done well, but I still see him at a disadvantage if he ever needed to get past an intern that's screening cv's.

re: #74 sattv4u2

starts to reduce costs

reduce costs for who? How?
How does adding millions of people into a system that don't have the wherewhithal to financially contribute in 'reduce costs"!?!

Those answers are easy to find so I suspect your being willfully ignorant. You can learn how the bill works if you want to.

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Those answers are easy to find so I suspect your being willfully ignorant. You can learn how the bill works if you want to.

I do know 'how the bill works". I'm asking if you know how it's going to "reduce costs", in that you're the one that stated it. (and notice I did it,, not once, but TWICE without name calling or snark!")

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Those answers are easy to find so I suspect your being willfully ignorant. You can learn how the bill works if you want to.

NO, I call BS. you show it...

re: #71 Cathypop

/// Cause a degree looks good in a frame///

A world class company hires world class people...
I'm sorry if you don't have a degree...Life is unfair...
But like I said..My smoking hot HR girl ( and in person she is unreal) Has a doctorate degree.. And she just fricking rocks as a HR rep...
All my transcripts were went through with a fine tooth comb before I got an offer letter...
You don't need to have a college education to excel in Software.. Ask Bill Gates

re: #74 sattv4u2

starts to reduce costs

reduce costs for who? How?
How does adding millions of people into a system that don't have the wherewhithal to financially contribute in 'reduce costs"!?!

They are going to reduce costs *Ahem!* by slicing Medicare payments. You ought to see the reductions they are planning for Cardiologists - 21% reduction in payment, on average.

Of course, this will not improve the system. Some docs will just stop taking new Medicare patients, some will reduce staff, and some will quickly go to no Medicare accepted, (perhaps No insurance accepted at all) fee for service plans.

It will all work out. *Eyeroll*

//

re: #81 HoosierHoops

A world class company hires world class people...

See my #55. I work for a Fortune 500 company that has a worldwide presence

re: #79 sattv4u2

I'm asking if you know how it's going to "reduce costs", in that you're the one that stated it.

Yes, I do. Here's a link for you to ignore: The President's Proposal for Health Reform

The information and rationale is widely available for anyone who wants to learn how the bill is supposed to work.

re: #83 sattv4u2

A world class company hires world class people...

See my #55. I work for a Fortune 500 company that has a worldwide presence

And you hang around with us?!?! :)

re: #82 SteveC

It will all work out. *Eyeroll*

Are eyerolls going to be covered? Sisters dentures!?!?!

re: #77 Decatur Deb

I lost the diploma argument with my code monkey son years ago. He's done well, but I still see him at a disadvantage if he ever needed to get past an intern that's screening cv's.

ANd I see the "problem." Yes, if the company has a standing rules about degrees, your resume may get passed up automatically if they don't see a degree.

It's fair, that's their rules, I just have had to always play the game harder, that's all.

re: #85 SteveC

And you hang around with us?!?! :)

what can I say

I lost a bet

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Yes, I do. Here's a link for you to ignore: The President's Proposal for Health Reform

The information and rationale is widely available for anyone who wants to learn how the bill is supposed to work.

(and again, with the snark from you ,,,,)
link scmink (and btw ,, i've already seen that)

I want YOUR words, ,,, YOUR explanation

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

...snip

I've been told by IT recruiters, you know, "off record" that my age will make it difficult to find full time work.

That's just the facts, and I have been dealing with the facts the for over 5 years now.

The age discrimination thing is real, even you're not asking to do heavy lifting. The potential impact on the employer's insurance bill is part of that (until we Dems cut healthcare away from employment). You might just be in the vanguard of the new, improved, post-industrial, post-fulltime wave.

Our pale blue dot, watch this in HD if you have the BW
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

re: #89 sattv4u2

(and again, with the snark from you ,,,)
link scmink (and btw ,, i've already seen that)

I want YOUR words, ,,, YOUR explanation

come on KT put up...

re: #83 sattv4u2

A world class company hires world class people...

See my #55. I work for a Fortune 500 company that has a worldwide presence

And I know your company, and they have many employees who are not degreed. And many of those people have been innovators in your companies field of expertise.

I have know a good amount of your employees, even done contract work for ex-employees of your company who have opened their own start ups.

The employees and ex-employees of your company that I know got into the business when the business was just wet behind the ears. They help shape the industry, and there was no degrees involved at the time.

In my office, we have had more than a couple people with degrees and certifications who get fired because they dont have a clue what to do with a computer in a production environment. All the long term employees are those of us with practical experience and the ability to pick up and develop new skills as we go.

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

Thanks Walter

BTW ,, I've made a few calls (will make more next week) How far are you from Broomfield?

re: #86 sattv4u2

It will all work out. *Eyeroll*

Are eyerolls going to be covered? Sisters dentures!?!?!

The Ophthalmologists can't see it, and the dentists aren't going to bite on that one...

re: #96 SteveC

The Ophthalmologists can't see it, and the dentists aren't going to bite on that one...

I'm sure it's nothing to sneeze at, said my allergist!

re: #90 Decatur Deb

The age discrimination thing is real, even you're not asking to do heavy lifting. The potential impact on the employer's insurance bill is part of that (until we Dems cut healthcare away from employment). You might just be in the vanguard of the new, improved, post-industrial, post-fulltime wave.

I can do heavy lifting. I just spent two months in a thrift store running a used furniture department. I lifted and moved all kinds of furniture, stuff that even some of our younger employees couldn't handle by themselves.

I left that job for reasons other than the physical nature of the work. For a matter of fact, I was kind of grooving on the physical nature of the work.

But even as a cube-bound programmer, companies are still concerned that I am a burden on their benefit premiums, and they are also scared I may die in my cube.

What with an estimated $60 billion dollars a year in fraud from Medicare, one would think this problem would be among the first to be solved before compounding that figure.

re: #96 SteveC

The Ophthalmologists can't see it, and the dentists aren't going to bite on that one...

The obstetricians can hardly bear it.

re: #97 sattv4u2

I'm sure it's nothing to sneeze at, said my allergist!

The Surgeons want to cut as much as possible, but the Cardiologists just don't have the heart.

re: #89 sattv4u2

(and again, with the snark from you ,,,)
link scmink (and btw ,, i've already seen that)

I want YOUR words, ,,, YOUR explanation

No, it's not worth the time. I don't get the gimmick of pretending to not understand the ideas behind the bill. You are free to agree or disagree but to just pretend that you don't understand is silly. You aren't going to win many debates with that tactic.

re: #95 sattv4u2

Thanks Walter

BTW ,, I've made a few calls (will make more next week) How far are you from Broomfield?

30 miles. I know where your Broomfield office is. Very familiar with it. As I say, I've known/know a number of ex-employees from there.

I am going to send you my resume. You may be surprised to see some NOC experience on there that would fix in with your companies type of operations. I set up a tier one NOC team for a small start up that was owned by some of your ex-employees.

Resume incoming.

re: #99 solomonpanting

What with an estimated $60 billion dollars a year in fraud from Medicare, one would think this problem would be among the first to be solved before compounding that figure.

Maddening thing is, both sides say they "KNOW" there is all that fraud and waste in Medicare, but it's going to take a Health Care Reform Bill to eliminate it !?!?!

I would think if ine side or the other would just tackle that, the goodwill they would earn from the public would carry them into office for DECADES !

re: #99 solomonpanting

What with an estimated $60 billion dollars a year in fraud from Medicare, one would think this problem would be among the first to be solved before compounding that figure.

Bingo. Now replace the word fraud with the word pork and we start to see a picture forming... hows about we make fraud a hanging offense?

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

What sort of programming languages do you specialise in if I may ask?

re: #105 brookly red

Bingo. Now replace the word fraud with the word pork and we start to see a picture forming... hows about we make fraud a hanging offense?

That should make unemployment go down - we're going to need a LOT of rope!

re: #102 Killgore Trout

No, it's not worth the time. I don't get the gimmick of pretending to not understand the ideas behind the bill. You are free to agree or disagree but to just pretend that you don't understand is silly. You aren't going to win many debates with that tactic.

actually he did just win the debate... you lost by default.

re: #102 Killgore Trout

No, it's not worth the time. I don't get the gimmick of pretending to not understand the ideas behind the bill. You are free to agree or disagree but to just pretend that you don't understand is silly. You aren't going to win many debates with that tactic.

As oppossed to the "tactic" of just pasting a link as your heartfelt, thoughtful explanation to a question!

"not worth the time"

TRANSLATION ,,,,, "the bad man is trying to get me to say what I think!!"

re: #106 Bagua

What sort of programming languages do you specialise in if I may ask?

SUMMARY:
Twelve years working experience with Oracle forms and reports (6i, 9i), Oracle database 9i, 10g, PL/SQL, database level triggers and stored procedures. Also have strong Access, Visual Basic and Visual FoxPro programming experience. Have programmed custom software applications from analysis to finished product. Applications developed include commercial products and custom in-house systems for health care, finance, affirmative action, human resources, work order tracking, POS, inventory and legal systems. Also responsible for documentation, training, manuals and testing plans

(and this only really cover the last 15 years, otherwise my CV would be like a small novelette)

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In my office, we have had more than a couple people with degrees and certifications who get fired because they dont have a clue what to do with a computer in a production environment. All the long term employees are those of us with practical experience and the ability to pick up and develop new skills as we go.

I understand...I work in a different culture..Last I checked My company was like #10 or something in the world...You don't get to be a mail boy without a degree from college...We develop your talents once you get hired...Last week we offered discounts to take on-line specific courses from Harvard...Every year I have an account my company pays into of 3000 dollars to take any College course I want..Anything..Just spend the money and learn stuff...
I love these guys....

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

30 miles. I know where your Broomfield office is. Very familiar with it. As I say, I've known/know a number of ex-employees from there.

I am going to send you my resume. You may be surprised to see some NOC experience on there that would fix in with your companies type of operations. I set up a tier one NOC team for a small start up that was owned by some of your ex-employees.

Resume incoming.

Got it. I'll talk to some people who know some people ,,,, etc etc,,,,, and forward it to HR

re: #102 Killgore Trout

No, it's not worth the time. I don't get the gimmick of pretending to not understand the ideas behind the bill. You are free to agree or disagree but to just pretend that you don't understand is silly. You aren't going to win many debates with that tactic.

It's also more than possible that some people don't care or don't know what the ideas are, which is why they don't want to read links.
If it's Obama, they're agi'n it.

Now this is silly...

Gatorade drops sponsorship of Tiger Woods

There should be some way to work Gatorade into the sex and stamina angle.

The world famous Cardiologist died, and hundreds of doctors showed up for his funeral. They stood in wonder at the 15 foot tall granite heart that served as his grave. They were even more awestruck at the push of a button, as the heart opened up, the coffin automatically slid inside the hollow heart, and the monument closed around the body.

"I wonder if they make those for my specialty," mused the gynecologist.

re: #107 SteveC

That should make unemployment go down - we're going to need a LOT of rope!

I am down. let's hang the corrupt.

re: #115 SteveC

The world famous Cardiologist died, and hundreds of doctors showed up for his funeral. They stood in wonder at the 15 foot tall granite heart that served as his grave. They were even more awestruck at the push of a button, as the heart opened up, the coffin automatically slid inside the hollow heart, and the monument closed around the body.

"I wonder if they make those for my specialty," mused the gynecologist.

{groan}!

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Now this is silly...

Gatorade drops sponsorship of Tiger Woods

There should be some way to work Gatorade into the sex and stamina angle.

"Gatorade: Now Fortified With Viagra"

re: #118 solomonpanting

"Gatorade: Now Fortified With Viagra"

JUST DO IT

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

re: #118 solomonpanting

"Gatorade: Now Fortified With Viagra"

"When you have to get up for the big game, drink Gatorade!"

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Wow, that is diverse experience in a number of industries, and that is not even including your work with the scientists.

re: #121 Bagua

Wow, that is diverse experience in a number of industries, and that is not even including your work with the scientists.

Nor his schlepping!

re: #122 sattv4u2

Nor his schlepping!

That I'm very current with with all the recent updates.

re: #116 brookly red

I am down. let's hang the corrupt.

But we'd need 538 old nuns to replace them, and I don't think we have that many to spare.

re: #120 sattv4u2

re: #118 solomonpanting

"When you have to get up for the big game, drink Gatorade!"

She: "You comin' back, honey?"

He: "Be there in a second, babe! *looks in refrigerator* "Now where did I put that bottle of Big G?"

re: #113 iceweasel

It's also more than possible that some people don't care or don't know what the ideas are, which is why they don't want to read links.
If it's Obama, they're agi'n it.

It's the same tactic commonly used by creationists. They pretend to not understand how evolution works (which every 10th grade student can comprehend) and then pretend they're wining the debate.

re: #126 Killgore Trout

they're wining the debate

and dining!

Gatorade: It'll make your putter rise.

ATTENTION ALL HUMANS, Jenny McCarthy want's us to know something:

After years of speaking publicly about her belief that MMR shots (immunization for measles, mumps, and rubella) caused her son to suffer from autism, Jenny McCarthy now faces the reality that her 7-year-old son Evan — who no longer shows any signs of autism — may likely have lived with completely different illness.

A new article in Time magazine — which Jenny was interviewed for — suggests Evan suffers from Landau-Kleffner syndrome, “a rare childhood neurological disorder that can also result in speech impairment and possible long-term neurological damage.”

...

And though her son may never have had autism, Jenny insists, “I’ll continue to be the voice” of the disease.

THAT IS ALL

Yes it does. At the National Renewable Energy Lab my main job responsibility was a IT work order tracking application I wrote and a facility management system I wrote.

My other duties included dealing with all the little stand alone software applications that individuals in different departments would write for themselves and then come whining to me when the damn things wouldn't work.

That's the scientist angle. A lot of these scientist, and research assistants would write some little applications for themselves to track their scientific data, but these dudes were not programmers by profession and they always designed themselves into a corner.

Sort of like what "Tim" did at CRU and Ian had to clean up the mess. I relate a lot to Ian Harris. He's my hero.

Dinner conversation from my seven year old son: "Dad, can you eat yourself to stay alive? If you were the last thing left?"

We're on a conference call and one of the managers is working from home and forgot his phone was not on mute. We all just clearly heard his wife ask "Are you gonna put some pants on?" and his reply "Hell no woman! I'm freeballing tonight!"

re: #124 Decatur Deb

But we'd need 538 old nuns to replace them, and I don't think we have that many to spare.

well anything less is a cop out... here I offer an end to all partisan bickering, hang the corrupt. Anyone opposed I accuse as an enemy of the people.

re: #128 solomonpanting

Gatorade: It'll make your putter rise.

Urbad legend,,, or not!!

Mrs. Arnold Palmer on the Tonight Show with Johnnie Carson

JC, "So ,,, before a big match do you do anything special for luck?"
Mrs AP "Why yes, Johnnie ,,, I kiss his balls"

JC "That must make his putter grow!"

((I do NOt want to know it didn't happen!!))

((( Mr Carson ,,,, you are missed!!!))))

Wow, I thought I hit quote when I replied to you... again...

re: #121 Bagua

Wow, that is diverse experience in a number of industries, and that is not even including your work with the scientists.

Yes it does. At the National Renewable Energy Lab my main job responsibility was a IT work order tracking application I wrote and a facility management system I wrote.

My other duties included dealing with all the little stand alone software applications that individuals in different departments would write for themselves and then come whining to me when the damn things wouldn't work.

That's the scientist angle. A lot of these scientist, and research assistants would write some little applications for themselves to track their scientific data, but these dudes were not programmers by profession and they always designed themselves into a corner.

Sort of like what "Tim" did at CRU and Ian had to clean up the mess. I relate a lot to Ian Harris. He's my hero.

re: #126 Killgore Trout

It's the same tactic commonly used by creationists. They pretend to not understand how evolution works (which every 10th grade student can comprehend) and then pretend they're wining the debate.

Exactly.
I gave up on discussing HCR here this summer. I'd read the first bill and spent way too much time patiently explaining what was in it and providing many, many links.
Then we had that thread which was for people to put their questions about HCR-- it included such genius questions as 'where can I find it online', as well as other more complicated ones, which I had answered multiple times.
That's when I said "Fuck it". Providing information is cool, dealing with willful ignorance is not.

re: #119 SteveC

JUST DO IT

"Is it in you?"

(yes, thats a real slogan)

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

...

And though her son may never have had autism, Jenny insists, “I’ll continue to be the voice” of the disease.

I guess Ebola was taken.

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

Perhaps someone will do a study showing a correlation between autism and silicone breast implants.

re: #131 prairiefire

Dinner conversation from my seven year old son: "Dad, can you eat yourself to stay alive? If you were the last thing left?"

After choking on your food ,, what did you give as an answer!?!?!?

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

ATTENTION ALL HUMANS, Jenny McCarthy want's us to know something:

THAT IS ALL

I will continue to be an expert on manual breast exams, freely giving my services, despite my having no actual experience of how to conduct one in the field of medicine.

re: #136 iceweasel

Exactly.
I gave up on discussing HCR here this summer. I'd read the first bill and spent way too much time patiently explaining what was in it and providing many, many links.
Then we had that thread which was for people to put their questions about HCR-- it included such genius questions as 'where can I find it online', as well as other more complicated ones, which I had answered multiple times.
That's when I said "Fuck it". Providing information is cool, dealing with willful ignorance is not.

Or concerned trolls.

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We're on a conference call and one of the managers is working from home and forgot his phone was not on mute. We all just clearly heard his wife ask "Are you gonna put some pants on?" and his reply "Hell no woman! I'm freeballing tonight!"

ROFLMAO!

Just last week we heard "mommy, I gotta go pee!"

re: #131 prairiefire

Dinner conversation from my seven year old son: "Dad, can you eat yourself to stay alive? If you were the last thing left?"

He's been reading too much Swift, or viewing too much Bosch.

Image: bosch21.jpg

re: #140 sattv4u2

My husband answered "Why would you want to do that?', which isn't a great answer since my son had already said "if you were the last thing left."
On to watching "Wild, Wild West", season 2.

re: #143 Racer X

ROFLMAO!

Just last week we heard "mommy, I gotta go pee!"

Our all time favorite moment was during an emergency call, when people who didn't need to be involved were stepping in and making completely wrong command decisions over the call, someone rings out with "CLUSTERFUCK!!!" in a singsong voice. Everyone got quiet, no one would fess up and finally the guy running the call asks "OK, I think someone has a better idea of how we should handle this, any suggestions?", then we got down to actually fixing the issue.

re: #131 prairiefire

Dinner conversation from my seven year old son: "Dad, can you eat yourself to stay alive? If you were the last thing left?"

Best Whacky News Headline ever:

"Boy Trapped in Fridge Eats Own Foot to Survive"

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Or concerned trolls.

Exactly. You remember, Walter-- you concern trolled about that bill for a while, until you shifted your concern trolling efforts to AGW and the CRU.

re: #131 prairiefire

Dinner conversation from my seven year old son: "Dad, can you eat yourself to stay alive? If you were the last thing left?"

Used to call my son "my little monkey". I would bend at the waist, hang my right arm straight down, and he would wrap is arms and legs around it and I would swing him back and forth with him yelling 'Monkey on a tree"

One night, we were in a liquor store and I had him on my shoulders. there was a display for some drink and it was a big cut out of a monkey. I told my son "look ,, that monkey has a tail just like you". in his biggest voice he yelled out ' I don't have a tail ,, I have a penis!"

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Now this is silly...

Gatorade drops sponsorship of Tiger Woods

There should be some way to work Gatorade into the sex and stamina angle.

I heard Nike is sticking with Tiger. Got to remember their slogan...

"Just Do It"

re: #148 iceweasel

Exactly. You remember, Walter-- you concern trolled about that bill for a while, until you shifted your concern trolling efforts to AGW and the CRU.

Concerned trolling, whatever, call it want you would like, would it make any difference if I was the Head of the AGW Deniers?

Linking to factual articles and making comments about genuine concerns that the Royal Society, The MET, environmental writer Fred Pearce, Kevin Trenberth and many others have about the CRU and the IPCC process, procedures and policy is not changed one bit by any title you want to pin on me.

re: #149 sattv4u2

Used to call my son "my little monkey". I would bend at the waist, hang my right arm straight down, and he would wrap is arms and legs around it and I would swing him back and forth with him yelling 'Monkey on a tree"

One night, we were in a liquor store and I had him on my shoulders. there was a display for some drink and it was a big cut out of a monkey. I told my son "look ,, that monkey has a tail just like you". in his biggest voice he yelled out ' I don't have a tail ,, I have a penis!"

well the penis tax does not start till 2011...

Damn, too slow...

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

ATTENTION ALL HUMANS, Jenny McCarthy want's us to know something:

THAT IS ALL

So first he was an Indigo child, no, wait, a Crystal, and then he was autistic, but she cured him with plant food, and now it was something else completely?

My question still stands. Why should we worry about vaccinations causing autism if we can cure autism with plant food at home?

//

23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

We have outsourced their functions to the Russians.

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Concerned trolling, whatever, call it want you would like, would it make any difference if I was the Head of the AGW Deniers?

Linking to factual articles and making comments about genuine concerns that the Royal Society, The MET, environmental writer Fred Pearce, Kevin Trenberth and many others have about the CRU and the IPCC process, procedures and policy is not changed one bit by any title you want to pin on me.

You're not a denier, you just have 'concerns'. We get it.

re: #152 brookly red

That's federal. Nevada has been at it for some time.

Amazing Street Drummer in action

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

So first he was an Indigo child, no, wait, a Crystal, and then he was autistic, but she cured him with plant food, and now it was something else completely?

My question still stands. Why should we worry about vaccinations causing autism if we can cure autism with plant food at home?

//

Is it in any way possible that her child is just developmentally challenged because a mother who hasn't let the child grow up in a normal healthy way... the child is not a something to project her every bizarre theory on.

re: #156 iceweasel

You're not a denier, you just have 'concerns'. We get it.

I'm what ever you feel a need to call me. Doesn't bother me, doesn't change anything, nor does it stop me from stating my opinions, and debating the topic... which I will continue to do.

So... don't give up.

re: #155 Racer X

23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

We have outsourced their functions to the Russians.

The shuttles, as I recalled, were already slated for retirement under Bush.

They have far outlived their intended lifespans.

re: #157 Decatur Deb

That's federal. Nevada has been at it for some time.

I am looking at Costa Rica, but I ain't growing old in this here...

re: #159 Walter L. Newton

Is it in any way possible that her child is just developmentally challenged because a mother who hasn't let the child grow up in a normal healthy way... the child is not a something to project her every bizarre theory on.

I have no idea what's the matter with the child, or if anything is, in fact, the matter with him. I just find the complexity of this saga, and her ability to create one piece of self-glorifying drama after another out of it rather fascinating.

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

I have no idea what's the matter with the child, or if anything is, in fact, the matter with him. I just find the complexity of this saga, and her ability to create one piece of self-glorifying drama after another out of it rather fascinating.

I find it a bit tragic.

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

I'm what ever you feel a need to call me. Doesn't bother me, doesn't change anything, nor does it stop me from stating my opinions, and debating the topic... which I will continue to do.

So... don't give up.

It is very important to establish ones True Faith™ apparently. Questions and concerns could indicate a tendency towards heresy and indicate an early warning sign of denial-ism.

And on that note ,,, time for the long drive home. See you all in the morning

re: #161 Cato the Elder

The shuttles, as I recalled, were already slated for retirement under Bush.

They have far outlived their intended lifespans.

True.

Sad, but true. I wish that we had our shit together and had the next generation ship ready.

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

I'm what ever you feel a need to call me. Doesn't bother me, doesn't change anything, nor does it stop me from stating my opinions, and debating the topic... which I will continue to do.

So... don't give up.

No one's asked you to give up, Walter.
Here's a little something I posted the night before your treatise on coding errors.
What can I tell you-- I called it.
Shine on, you crazy diamond! :)

re: #162 brookly red

Better check the deli first. A retired friend likes Belize.

re: #166 sattv4u2

And on that note ,,, time for the long drive home. See you all in the morning

Drive safe.

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Better check the deli first. A retired friend likes Belize.

Belize is good...

re: #76 Killgore Trout

For those of you planing your spring garden you might want to consider adding mushrooms. Outdoor Mushroom Patches work well and I've used them in the past. This year I'm trying the "Three Amigos". I'll let you know how it goes.

Thank you for that.

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

I find it a bit tragic.

Oh, it is.

re: #171 brookly red

Belize is good...

We buy a Florida lottery ticket every few months, "so we can move to Florida". That's what I tell my wife. If we hit big, we're going back to the West Side, and 1962.

You goin' out there? Alright, let's get this thing moving.

Someday Baby

Ok declaring FNDT...

re: #168 iceweasel

No one's asked you to give up, Walter.
Here's a little something I posted the night before your treatise on coding errors.
What can I tell you-- I called it.
Shine on, you crazy diamond! :)

You are 100 percent correct. I did not find any coding error or data errors... Ian Harris did, enough to fill 314 pages of narrative between 2006 and Dec. 2009... I was just the messenger. His "report" was enough to instigate an inquiry by the Royal Society, which will look into the way the CRU handled it's data processing, which will be complete in the spring, which was enough to instigate an inquiry by the British MET, which will be a 3 year study that will actually look at the validity of the data ITSELF and which was enough to make even the most pro-AGW popular media writers to consider the problems.

Yes you called it... and so did Ian Harris.

Here comes our snow storm tonight...Move shoveling the driveway..
Why do you hate me God?
*wink*

re: #176 Thanos

Ok declaring FNDT...

[Video]

Zoom, dad, zoom!

re: #172 Bagua

Thank you for that.

For a handy collection of all of Killgore's recommendations, click here.

Or click my nic on any comment I've made, it brings you right to the cookbook blog where Killgore's recommendations are collected.

re: #178 HoosierHoops

Here comes our snow storm tonight...Move More shoveling the driveway..
Why do you hate me God?
*wink*

In this case in proper English usage .. Move = More

re: #176 Thanos

Ok declaring FNDT...

[Video]

I worked with a guy in Seattle who took his out of town visitors by the Space Needle and told them, "This is where they filmed the Jetsons." One guest reportedly responded, "Ooooh, really?!?"

Bill Donohue and others are raging out over this :

Right wing slams White House for meeting with atheist ‘hate groups’

Some conservative commentators are accusing the Obama administration of inviting "hate groups" into the White House by holding a meeting with a coalition of secularist and atheist groups.

Officials from the Justice and Health and Human Services departments met Friday with representatives of the Secular Coalition for America, an umbrella group that includes American Atheists and the Council for Secular Humanism. The coalition called it "the first time in history a presidential administration has met for a policy briefing with the American nontheist community."

continued...

[Link: rawstory.com...]

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

All the comments about corrupt databases, imaginary stations, fudge factors, untraceable data was very confidence building. The MET Office was so impressed, they plan to take three years to re-examine 160 years of temperature data.

The new analysis of the data will take three years, meaning that the Met Office will not be able to state with absolute confidence the extent of the warming trend until the end of 2012

It would appear the MET Office is also a 'concern troll' and secret Denier.

re: #183 Jimmah

Well... it's about time.

re: #180 reine.de.tout

For a handy collection of all of Killgore's recommendations, click here.

Or click my nic on any comment I've made, it brings you right to the cookbook blog where Killgore's recommendations are collected.

Are those cooking specific, or also gardening?

re: #179 iceweasel

I still have an Andy Prieboy EP in the basement somewhere with him singing Eye Protection's hit song Elroy Jetson....

The only line I recall is "Elroy Jetson .... he's a 21st century spy..." It was kind of a punk version of "Secret Agent Man" blended with cartoon kitsch.

/of course most folks don't even know what the hell I am talking about here...

re: #174 Decatur Deb

We buy a Florida lottery ticket every few months, "so we can move to Florida". That's what I tell my wife. If we hit big, we're going back to the West Side, and 1962.

I am thinking Tia land... the gf wants a Spanish speaking country... we both agree that we have worked too hard for too long to sleep on a park bench & give our money to the government. Hint: businesses feel the same way...

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

You are 100 percent correct. I did not find any coding error or data errors... Ian Harris did, enough to fill 314 pages of narrative between 2006 and Dec. 2009... I was just the messenger. His "report" was enough to instigate an inquiry by the Royal Society, which will look into the way the CRU handled it's data processing, which will be complete in the spring, which was enough to instigate an inquiry by the British MET, which will be a 3 year study that will actually look at the validity of the data ITSELF and which was enough to make even the most pro-AGW popular media writers to consider the problems.

Yes you called it... and so did Ian Harris.

The deal was that you were going to show that inaccurate data has been produced and used in the real world.

What you showed was a record of comments by a programmer, documenting finding and fixing bugs, and his frustration at dealing with datasets that were in many different formats and had other problems.

In other words, the same kind of comments you might find in almost any non-trivial piece of software. Bugs were found. Bugs were fixed. This is news?

You didn't show what you claimed you would, sorry.

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

Well... it's about time.

Makes a nice change from the likes of Haggard and Falwell, that's for sure!

re: #187 Thanos

I still have an Andy Prieboy EP in the basement somewhere with him singing Eye Protection's hit song Elroy Jetson...

The only line I recall is "Elroy Jetson ... he's a 21st century spy..." It was kind of a punk version of "Secret Agent Man" blended with cartoon kitsch.

/of course most folks don't even know what the hell I am talking about here...

Oh that sounds great!
Violent Femmes covered Epp Opp Ork Ah Ah at one point.

re: #186 Bagua

Are those cooking specific, or also gardening?

A mixture. So far there are 27 or 28 different things. Click on the Killgore's GArdening Tips "tag" (upper right under "killgore's collection), and you'll get just the posts related to gardening, cooking, etc.

re: #180 reine.de.tout

There's also a recipe for quick homemade ricotta here. I think I'll give that a try this weekend.

re: #192 reine.de.tout

A mixture. So far there are 27 or 28 different things. Click on the Killgore's GArdening Tips "tag" (upper right under "killgore's collection), and you'll get just the posts related to gardening, cooking, etc.

Cool, thanks. I'll look it over.

re: #184 Bagua

All the comments about corrupt databases, imaginary stations, fudge factors, untraceable data was very confidence building. The MET Office was so impressed, they plan to take three years to re-examine 160 years of temperature data.

The new analysis of the data will take three years, meaning that the Met Office will not be able to state with absolute confidence the extent of the warming trend until the end of 2012

It would appear the MET Office is also a 'concern troll' and secret Denier.

And for those who would complain that the article is in the TIMES, and there for invalid for some reason... then see the information at the MET office press page...

[Link: www.metoffice.gov.uk...]

re: #182 wrenchwench

I worked with a guy in Seattle who took his out of town visitors by the Space Needle and told them, "This is where they filmed the Jetsons." One guest reportedly responded, "Ooooh, really?!?"

I grew up near Seattle. When I was little there was this radio ad jingle for the Mariners that went "Come see the M's TONIGHT!" I was young and didn't make the connection, so I asked my Dad what "M's" were. He told me that every time people held a baseball game there is a winning team and a losing team, and the losing team get's called "the M's." I believed that for years.

re: #184 Bagua

All the comments about corrupt databases, imaginary stations, fudge factors, untraceable data was very confidence building. The MET Office was so impressed, they plan to take three years to re-examine 160 years of temperature data.

The new analysis of the data will take three years, meaning that the Met Office will not be able to state with absolute confidence the extent of the warming trend until the end of 2012

It would appear the MET Office is also a 'concern troll' and secret Denier.

No, they're just acting like all bureaucrats have acted since the beginning of recorded history, and covering their asses by spending public money for something that isn't really needed, except for public relations.

re: #174 Decatur Deb

We buy a Florida lottery ticket every few months, "so we can move to Florida". That's what I tell my wife. If we hit big, we're going back to the West Side, and 1962.

Aw, that's sweet.

re: #193 Killgore Trout

There's also a recipe for quick homemade ricotta here. I think I'll give that a try this weekend.

Got it.
Now, you have to let us know how it comes out so I can update that post!
Please.

re: #197 Charles

Its funny how those evil govmint bureaucrats are all of a sudden doing good important work when its something you like >

"They're corrupt and evil except when it fits my adenda!"

re: #189 Charles

If there is nothing to see there, why has The MET Office announce a Proposal for a new international analysis of land surface air temperature data?

Now here's a good laugh for a Friday afternoon:

Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs.

www.cnn.com

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

I grew up near Seattle. When I was little there was this radio ad jingle for the Mariners that went "Come see the M's TONIGHT!" I was young and didn't make the connection, so I asked my Dad what "M's" were. He told me that every time people held a baseball game there is a winning team and a losing team, and the losing team get's called "the M's." I believed that for years.

LOL.

I have a Ken Griffey Jr. rookie year chocolate bar. Unopened, in the freezer.

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

Link from that page:

The Met Office stresses that it does not foresee that the new analyses will reveal any "substantial changes" from the basic conclusion in the last IPCC report, published in 2007, that the recent warming of the earth's climate is "unequivocal." Rather, it explains in its proposal document: "This effort will ensure that the datasets are completely robust and that all methods are transparent."

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

re: #191 iceweasel

Oh that sounds great!
Violent Femmes covered Epp Opp Ork Ah Ah at one point.

Here's Andy after his Eye Protection days, when he was fronting for Wall of Voodoo

re: #199 reine.de.tout

Got it.
Now, you have to let us know how it comes out so I can update that post!
Please.

Ok, will do.

re: #188 brookly red

I am thinking Tia land... the gf wants a Spanish speaking country... we both agree that we have worked too hard for too long to sleep on a park bench & give our money to the government. Hint: businesses feel the same way...

Move to Lower Alabama. Plenty of Spanish spoken, and not too much "Yanqui Fuera". Lousy Deli.

re: #199 reine.de.tout

Got it.
Now, you have to let us know how it comes out so I can update that post!
Please.

Can't wait for the next cookbook! They make wonderful gifts for Aunts or friends for the holidays...Just buy a bunch Lizards and 75% of all your birthday and holiday shopping is done before spring..It beats a scented candle every time!..

re: #201 Bagua

If there is nothing to see there, why has The MET Office announce a Proposal for a new international analysis of land surface air temperature data?

Means absolutely nothing. They're doing it to completely answer the International Denier's Chorus, not because they think there's a problem with the data. Read your own link.

re: #209 Charles

Means absolutely nothing. They're doing it to completely answer the International Denier's Chorus, not because they think there's a problem with the data. Read your own link.

Page 2, second paragraph...

The MET Office is wasting their time and the public's money, of course, because nothing will ever stop the deniers from doing what they do.

They're wasting the public's money twice over -- not only will the deniers keep on denying, this three-year review is completely unnecessary in the first place.

its funny how they clam up when Charles starts posting >>

re: #213 windsagio

its funny how they clam up when Charles starts posting >>

LOL
nice observation

re: #208 HoosierHoops

Can't wait for the next cookbook! They make wonderful gifts for Aunts or friends for the holidays...Just buy a bunch Lizards and 75% of all your birthday and holiday shopping is done before spring..It beats a scented candle every time!..

It's on about the 5 yard line...

I'm still trying to decide if it's worth the effort to write something mocking the Frank Gaffney Missile Defense Logo Sharia Conspiracy.

re: #211 Charles

The MET Office is wasting their time and the public's money, of course, because nothing will ever stop the deniers from doing what they do.

Yep. They'll just say the Met have spent 3 years covering up and minimising the effect of the errors.

re: #212 Charles

They're wasting the public's money twice over -- not only will the deniers keep on denying, this three-year review is completely unnecessary in the first place.

Not only that, the denial industry will use it as 'proof' that there's something fishy: "If everything is ok, why's there a review, huh?"
Happening right here on this thread.

re: #216 Charles

I'm still trying to decide if it's worth the effort to write something mocking the Frank Gaffney Missile Defense Logo Sharia Conspiracy.

Just add it to the Litany of Loons.

re: #197 Charles

No, they're just acting like all bureaucrats have acted since the beginning of recorded history, and covering their asses by spending public money for something that isn't really needed, except for public relations.

So you are saying the MET Office are just bureaucrats, not scientists? They get hundreds of millions to study the climate and weather but they are bureaucrats?

re: #216 Charles

It's already gone as far as it will as far as I can see, but it's a perfect example of the anti-jihad movement's dissolution into paranoid delusions.

re: #221 Thanos

To explore an (unpopular) pet theory, I think its the line between the people who were shocked and appalled by our own brush with international terrorism and the crazy bigots >

re: #216 Charles

I'm still trying to decide if it's worth the effort to write something mocking the Frank Gaffney Missile Defense Logo Sharia Conspiracy.

It could be really funny....also Varek Raith has made his own logo mocking it--
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #223 iceweasel

It could be really funny...also Varek Raith has made his own logo mocking it--
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That's the real new logo. He's interpreting it.

Are you a mod or a rocker?
"I'm a mocker."
- Ringo

re: #208 HoosierHoops

Can't wait for the next cookbook! They make wonderful gifts for Aunts or friends for the holidays...Just buy a bunch Lizards and 75% of all your birthday and holiday shopping is done before spring..It beats a scented candle every time!..

It's coming along . . .
Really.

Here's Prieboy's Myspace page, some of his more recent tunes stream there

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

re: #224 wrenchwench

That's the real new logo. He's interpreting it.

I should have said, his own version or interpretation.

I know what the logo is. I posted TPM's article about Gaffney as well as Media Matters round up about it last night in the Tom Petty thread.

re: #226 reine.de.tout

I'm sitting here drawing right now.

J. D. Hayworth was on The O'Reilly Factor tonight. O'Reilly pressed him about his birther statements, and Hayworth said he was Just Asking Questions®. Just stirring the soup, like the hip, happenin' broadcaster that he is.

re: #230 The Sanity Inspector

J. D. Hayworth was on The O'Reilly Factor tonight. O'Reilly pressed him about his birther statements, and Hayworth said he was Just Asking Questions®. Just stirring the soup, like the hip, happenin' broadcaster that he is.

I wonder if J.D. Hayworth still enjoys molesting farm animals. Hey, I'm just asking.

re: #228 iceweasel

I should have said, his own version or interpretation.

I know what the logo is. I posted TPM's article about Gaffney as well as Media Matters round up about it last night in the Tom Petty thread.

Correct me if I'm wrong..But I'm sure I read on the Internet today that the Logo was designed well before Obama or the elections

re: #189 Charles

The deal was that you were going to show that inaccurate data has been produced and used in the real world.

What you showed was a record of comments by a programmer, documenting finding and fixing bugs, and his frustration at dealing with datasets that were in many different formats and had other problems.

In other words, the same kind of comments you might find in almost any non-trivial piece of software. Bugs were found. Bugs were fixed. This is news?

You didn't show what you claimed you would, sorry.

Sorry... was having supper...

I don't agree.

re: #233 Walter L. Newton

Sorry... was having supper...

I don't agree.

I don't expect you to.

re: #212 Charles

They're wasting the public's money twice over -- not only will the deniers keep on denying, this three-year review is completely unnecessary in the first place.

Then the MET Office is guilty of malpractice, fraud and waste, that is a bigger story than the CRU controversy.

re: #232 HoosierHoops

Correct me if I'm wrong..But I'm sure I read on the Internet today that the Logo was designed well before Obama or the elections

That's right. Here's TPM:

By spreading this crazy paranoid conspiracy, Gaffney not only is defaming the President, he is also defaming the people who work and lead the Missile Defense Agency. The idea that the President would pay attention to an agency logo redesign or that the design in anyway reflected some secret Muslim agenda, as Richard Lehner of the Missile Defense Agency noted, “is ridiculous.” Lehner told Fox that “it isn’t a new logo to replace the official logo. It’s a logo developed for recruiting materials and for our public Web site. Also, it was used prior to the 2008 election and it has no link to any political campaign.”

Additionally, the one to approve the new logo is likely the head of the Missile Defense Agency, Lt. General Patrick O’Reilly, someone the right wing must now presumably believe is complicit with Obama’s secret plan to further the United States’ “submission to Islam.”

More at link.

re: #232 HoosierHoops

Correct me if I'm wrong..But I'm sure I read on the Internet today that the Logo was designed well before Obama or the elections

you are absolutely correct:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

"Turns out, however, the "new" logo is not so new. "This was a logo that was developed three years ago for our recruiting materials and our public Web site..."

re: #235 Bagua

So you're shocked that agencies waste money in politically expedient ways?

re: #238 windsagio

So you're shocked that agencies waste money in politically expedient ways?

Are you saying the MET Office are bureaucrats who waste money on politics as well?

Vinski the Cat giving a tummy rub to his brother

re: #211 Charles

The MET Office is wasting their time and the public's money, of course, because nothing will ever stop the deniers from doing what they do.

And you know this is an absolute fact how? The MET office, who has relied on the CRU for much of it's climate change data, who in the past one of the goto places for AGW discussions, now suddenly they are wasting the public money.

It appears that they are not trying to stop anyone from doing anything. More to the point, they want to make sure that the facts and figures are correct.

They are going to spend three years examining surface temperature readings and this is a problem for you?

re: #239 Bagua

I'm sure they have administrative and executive staff :p

I'm sure that there are various groups in the Brit. Gov't that can put pressure on them too :p

re: #237 ShaunP

you are absolutely correct:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

"Turns out, however, the "new" logo is not so new. "This was a logo that was developed three years ago for our recruiting materials and our public Web site..."

3 years ago! Dang it! It means Bush was in on it...
I always knew Bush was a secret communist!
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re: #241 Walter L. Newton

And you know this is an absolute fact how? The MET office, who has relied on the CRU for much of it's climate change data, who in the past one of the goto places for AGW discussions, now suddenly they are wasting the public money.

It appears that they are not trying to stop anyone from doing anything. More to the point, they want to make sure that the facts and figures are correct.

They are going to spend three years examining surface temperature readings and this is a problem for you?

Read the article. The MET says they do not have any reason to suspect problems with the temperature data. It's a PR move, obviously.

re: #243 HoosierHoops

Bush was an Islamo-Communist? Revelations like that are what keep bringing me back :D

And from the viewpoint of the MET Office it's a PR move that makes perfect sense. They're trying to do an exhaustive review in the hopes that it will lay the debate to rest.

But it won't.

re: #238 windsagio

So you're shocked that agencies waste money in politically expedient ways?

No, I'm shocked that the MET office has been one of the many go to sources for pro-AGW information, and suddenly, they decide to examine 169 years of surface temperature data and reading, now suddenly, I'm hearing that it's political, a waste of money and not needed.

Funny how I never heard those thing s said about the MET before now?

Do conservative yappers like Malkin or Beck lack a fucking empathy gene?

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

I'm just asking.

re: #245 windsagio

Bush was an Islamo-Communist? Revelations like that are what keep bringing me back :D

Well, something that occurred to me a while back was that I can never remember Bush saying the word "Islamofascist". This seems significant to me. What was he hiding?

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