Mark Williams: It’s Impossible for Tea Partiers to Be Racists

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On CNN, Tea Party Express spokesman Mark Williams says the NAACP is a racist organization because they have the words “Colored People” in their name. Yep, really. He also says it’s impossible for a Tea Party member to be a racist. (Previously on CNN, Williams called President Obama an “Indonesian Muslim welfare thug.”)

Williams also says Tea Party organizers already reject people who show up at a demonstration with racist signs. Then Roland Martin points out that Williams himself is on the record saying that Tea Party organizers do not reject people with racist signs, leading to a long rant from Williams about everything except racist signs.

Williams concludes by saying, “Racists have their own movement, it’s called the NAACP. A bunch of old fossils looking to make a buck off skin color.”

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1 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:26:59am

Make it stop. Please!

2 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:27:35am

The Stupid (tm) is strong with this one.

3 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:27:36am

Wow, normally you’ve have to go to a movie theater to see projection this obvious!

4 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:27:46am

Coming from him that’s rich.

5 Girth  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:28:34am

“It’s impossible for Tea Partiers to be racists.”

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

6 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:28:56am

The stupid, it burns.

7 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:30:23am

Didn’t the NAACP resolution call for the Tea Party folks to call out the racists in their midst?

(I know the answer, but it helps to make sure people know what was actually said and not what is showing up in headlines)

8 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:30:41am
9 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:30:49am

re: #7 webevintage

Didn’t the NAACP resolution call for the Tea Party folks to call out the racists in their midst?

He seems to be calling himself out effectively enough.

10 theheat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:34:40am

re: #7 webevintage

Former Half-term Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a Tea Party favorite, said the charge from the NAACP is “false, appalling, and is a regressive and diversionary tactic to change the subject at hand.”

And Momma Grizzly don’t lie! “God bless the troops, and pass the ammunition!”

The whole denying racism is a lie, from soup to nuts. Heavy on the nuts.

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:35:18am

“We have no racists in our midst, because it is IMPOSSIBLE for a Tea Party activist to be a racist. In our initiation ceremony, ya have to drink the Water of Patriotism, and if you’re a racist, it kills ya. We have no racists in the Tea Party. None.”

I’m trying to think of a group I belong to that can make a claim like that.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:35:43am

re: #10 theheat

And Momma Grizzly don’t lie! “God bless the troops, and pass the ammunition!”

The whole denying racism is a lie, from soup to nuts. Heavy on the nuts.

What IS the subject at hand, anyway?

13 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:36:41am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

What IS the subject at hand, anyway?

Fear.

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:37:16am

Mark Williams has a real case of smug going on, too. The guy obviously knows who this crap will appeal to, and he’s enjoying it because he knows he’ll get a pass.

16 theheat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:37:58am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Paranoid, pissed off, untethered white peeps… I think.

17 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:38:11am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

What IS the subject at hand, anyway?

Our fweedoms being taken awaaaay!!1!eleventy!

I reiterate my challenge from a few days ago:

Would anyone here who is concerned about loss of freedoms under Obama please explain to me what it is you can’t do now that you could under the C-Student?

I eagerly await a heated debate.

18 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:38:11am

Question (on twitter):
AndrewBreitbart: Why did NAACP give white ACORN leader Dale Rathke pass when he embezzled up to $5M from ‘minorities’ & his white bro Wade protected him?

Answer:…because they like white dudes from Arkansas…wait, I thought the NAACP were racist?

(really just posting this because I would hate to get into a twitter fight with that idiot)

19 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:39:10am

Couldn’t the “Tea Party” at least find smarter people to front for them during television interviews? At least the interviewer called him on it.

20 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:39:17am

“Tea Party” Leader Melts Down On CNN: Obama Is An “Indonesian Muslim Turned Welfare Thug” (VIDEO)

“Tea Party” leader Mark Williams appeared on a CNN panel on “Anderson Cooper 360” last night and promptly set to work discrediting himself and his movement. Williams denounced those carrying blatantly racist signs against President Obama during the tea parties as “no more part of the mainstream of America than the hippies who wear nipple clips and feather boas in San Francisco streets during so-called peace demonstrations.”

Cooper had done his homework, however, and caught Williams blatantly misrepresenting himself: “What you’re saying makes sense to me here when I’m hearing what you say but then I read on your blog, you say, you call the President an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief.”

Williams shrugs and responds, “Yeah, that’s the way he’s behaving.” An incredulous Cooper asks Williams if he really believes Obama is an Indonesian Muslim and a welfare thug. The tea party leader digs the hole a little deeper: “He’s certainly acting like it. Until he embraces the whole country what else can I conclude.”

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:39:53am

re: #16 theheat

Paranoid, pissed off, untethered white peeps… I think.

Is it bad that when you said that, my first image was of my MIL zooming around on her riding lawn mower? She’s not all that pissed off really, but the rest applies.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:40:33am

re: #17 Cato the Elder

Our fweedoms being taken awaaay!!1!eleventy!

I reiterate my challenge from a few days ago:

Would anyone here who is concerned about loss of freedoms under Obama please explain to me what it is you can’t do now that you could under the C-Student?

I eagerly await a heated debate.

Well, I could tan without having to pay a tax on it!

/

23 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:40:35am

re: #18 webevintage

Question (on twitter):
AndrewBreitbart: Why did NAACP give white ACORN leader Dale Rathke pass when he embezzled up to $5M from ‘minorities’ & his white bro Wade protected him?

Answer:…because they like white dudes from Arkansas…wait, I thought the NAACP were racist?

(really just posting this because I would hate to get into a twitter fight with that idiot)

WOPR: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

24 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:41:24am

re: #17 Cato the Elder

Our fweedoms being taken awaaay!!1!eleventy!

I reiterate my challenge from a few days ago:

Would anyone here who is concerned about loss of freedoms under Obama please explain to me what it is you can’t do now that you could under the C-Student?

I eagerly await a heated debate.

Have a conversation with a republican that doesn’t involve calling formerly republican ideas “communist”.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:41:29am

re: #19 reuven

Couldn’t the “Tea Party” at least find smarter people to front for them during television interviews? At least the interviewer called him on it.

They don’t like smart people. Smart people tend to be eeeelitists.

26 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:41:52am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I could tan without having to pay a tax on it!

/

Sorry, you can still tan for free. You’re just in the wrong spot to do it.:)

27 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:42:06am

re: #19 reuven

Couldn’t the “Tea Party” at least find smarter people to front for them during television interviews? At least the interviewer called him on it.

The Teabaggers don’t have any smarter people. This is the best they’ve got.

28 darthstar  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:42:58am

re: #1 Cato the Elder

Make it stop. Please!

It’s too late. The Tea Party thinks this is a winning strategy. Sarah Palin’s already on their defense - expect strong words in a facebook post. Michelle Malkin’s balking(barking) at Africans and will be spewing more anti-immigrant hate (she still resents her parents for moving to America, apparently).

And speaking of facebook, one of my high-school “friends” on there posted a youtube this morning of some black panthers talking with the caption, “Can’t see why this group would be accused of voter intimidation - must be Bush’s fault” (her sister is a GOP lobbyist I think)

Welcome to Race-baiting Race to November 2010.

29 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:43:05am

re: #27 thedopefishlives

The Teabaggers Republicans don’t have any smarter people. This is the best they’ve got.

FTFY.

30 theheat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:43:36am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I can’t even admit in public how much a member of my own family has bought into this. (I just did, though.) It’s Glenn Beck and Fox News day in and day out. Last time, I was warned I better buy more guns, for when the commies come for me.

Not even a joke. That was a warning, out of love.

I was so floored I said, “When the zombies come for me? WTF is that about? You know there’s no such thing as zombies.”

“COMMIES!”

Zombies?”

“Did you not hear me?”

“Guess not. But I’m not afraid of zombies.”

31 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:44:11am

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

They don’t like smart people. Smart people tend to be eeelitists.

///Well then clearly the first thing we need to do is kill everyone with glasses.

(Not to make light of horrible events that have happened EXACTLY along those lines in certain countries, only to use them to make a darkly ironic point that in some ways the tea party seems to be leading towards the exact same ends as certain communist countries at times… even if from the opposite direction )

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:44:48am

re: #30 theheat

I can’t even admit in public how much a member of my own family has bought into this. (I just did, though.) It’s Glenn Beck and Fox News day in and day out. Last time, I was warned I better buy more guns, for when the commies come for me.

Not even a joke. That was a warning, out of love.

I was so floored I said, “When the zombies come for me? WTF is that about? You know there’s no such thing as zombies.”

“COMMIES!”

Zombies?”

“Did you not hear me?”

“Guess not. But I’m not afraid of zombies.”

Family. Can’t live with ‘em, can’t use ‘em for collateral on a loan.

33 Lidane  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:45:16am

Wait, what?

No, really. What the fuck did I just watch? That didn’t make a damned bit of sense. I guess it’s all that book learnin’ and college that prevents me from making sense of this douchebag.

34 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:45:26am

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Family. Can’t live with ‘em, can’t use ‘em for collateral on a loan.

Can’t get the Zombies to eat them….

35 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:45:26am

re: #30 theheat

I can’t even admit in public how much a member of my own family has bought into this. (I just did, though.) It’s Glenn Beck and Fox News day in and day out. Last time, I was warned I better buy more guns, for when the commies come for me.

Not even a joke. That was a warning, out of love.

I was so floored I said, “When the zombies come for me? WTF is that about? You know there’s no such thing as zombies.”

“COMMIES!”

Zombies?”

“Did you not hear me?”

“Guess not. But I’m not afraid of zombies.”

First of all, epic win for the zombies. Love it. Secondly, I’m in your boat. My in-laws are firmly persuaded that Obama is going to bring about the end of the world. Even my own parents, who are generally more rational, looked at me as if I’d grown a second head when I told them that I didn’t think the President was a complete failure. (I don’t like his domestic policies, sure, but he’s been okay on Israel specifically and on foreign relations in general of late.)

36 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:45:58am

He said it is “impossible to be a racist and a tea-partier because the constitution is all about individual rights”.”

38 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:46:30am

re: #36 EdDantes

He said it is “impossible to be a racist and a tea-partier because the constitution is all about individual rights”.”

Some days I really do fear for this country…

39 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:46:58am

re: #36 EdDantes

He said it is “impossible to be a racist and a tea-partier because the constitution is all about individual rights”.”

Like the individual right of that individual to own another individual and have them be counted as only 3/5ths of a person when it comes time to do the census!

40 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:47:16am

re: #36 EdDantes

He said it is “impossible to be a racist and a tea-partier because the constitution is all about individual rights”.”

It’s impossible to be a walrus and a porcupine because trees grow in the woods. That makes about the same amount of sense as what he said.

41 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:47:27am

Lisbeth Salander, the grrrl with the dragon tattoo, rides a motorbike.

I am so in lust.

42 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:47:36am

re: #38 webevintage

Some days I really do fear for this country…

I fear for it every day.

43 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:47:45am

re: #17 Cato the Elder

Obama has taken away a few of my freedoms as a small businessman. I was very disappointed in the health care reform bill, especially the LACK of a public option. Without a public option, it severely overburdens small business with new regulations. (Most small businesses actually welcomed the public option, and some single-payer high-risk pool. This way we’d only have to provide insurance or self-insurance for the gap…) I have to spend thousands a year on tax attorneys and accountants because of the complexity of it all.

(See [Link: www.s-corp.org…] )

And H.R. 4213, which has Obama’s support, would also take away a significant number of my freedoms ( [Link: www.opencongress.org…] ) while at the same time shoveling more money at deadbeats. He wants to restrict business with 3 or fewer employees from certain protections offered other businesses.

HOWEVER, despite the fact that the Tea Party claims its origins are in opposition to excessive taxation, spending, and regulation, they’d rather get into arguments with the NAACP about their name, than address problems facing small business. So I, personally, have nothing to do with them.

44 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:48:11am

re: #36 EdDantes

He said it is “impossible to be a racist and a tea-partier because the constitution is all about individual rights”.”

Yeah, none of which went to slaves.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:48:15am

re: #33 Lidane

Wait, what?

No, really. What the fuck did I just watch? That didn’t make a damned bit of sense. I guess it’s all that book learnin’ and college that prevents me from making sense of this douchebag.

Back when I was an infant, my parents lived in an apartment building in East LA, where their landlord was a young Chicano guy, UCLA grad, who had grown up in the neighborhood.

His father liked to go out of an evening, wander from bar to bar, drink with his friends, and then end up totally shit-faced and call his son from a payphone to come and get him.

“OK, Papi,” the young man would say. “I’ll bring the car and pick you up. Where are you?”

Long pause on the line, as Papi tried to work this out. Finally he would say, “You’re smart. You went to college. You’ll figure it out.” And hang up.

46 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:48:25am

re: #40 thedopefishlives

It’s impossible to be a walrus and a porcupine because trees grow in the woods. That makes about the same amount of sense as what he said.

Don’t tell that to my porcurus! He’ll be sad.

47 theheat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:48:40am

re: #35 thedopefishlives

It gets better. The nice old shotgun I was gifted is actually the very same model used in a zombie game. (Ithaca) So, I emailed later that night with a link to that shotgun and the zombie game, with a thank you note.

I’m ready when that zombie apocalypse comes. I mean, right down to the exact same shotgun. Bring it on.

48 simoom  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:48:40am

What frustrates me about the NAACP resolution is they really needed to have a media ready video and photo package to go along with it. It should have included the worst of the worst objectively racist signs as well as the signs calling for violence, lynching and assassination. Without it, the press seems to pick stupid and relatively innocuous examples, which their talking head guests easily bat aside, where as they’d have had a very hard time deflecting images of some of the worst offenders.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:48:46am

re: #36 EdDantes

He said it is “impossible to be a racist and a tea-partier because the constitution is all about individual rights”.”

I’m sure that makes sense to him.

50 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:49:44am

re: #48 simoom

What frustrates me about the NAACP resolution is they really needed to have a media ready video and photo package to go along with it. It should have included the worst of the worst objectively racist signs as well as the signs calling for violence, lynching and assassination. Without it, the press seems to pick stupid and relatively innocuous examples, which their talking head guests easily bat aside, where as they’d have had a very hard time deflecting images of some of the worst offenders.

I agree, if you’re going to strike, hit hard.

51 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:50:07am

Of course the teabaggers are attacking the NAACP, a noble and decent organization, founded on moral issues with a righteous cause and legitimate grievance.

So of course, in the delusional mind of the teabags, the thing to do, is to deny all allegations, never admit fault, and counter by making false accusations, distortions, and yet more slurs. This is the legacy of Rove distilled to its most primal, schoolyard level and employed by angry, vicious morons.

It is the middle school playground writ large where the kids have lost all manners or regard for decency. Nothing shows that you aren’t racist quite like belittling a manifestly anti-racist organization or the legitimate grievances of the group it represents. Nothing quite says racist more than being a racist prick and then pretending that not only is nothing wrong, but that those offended are jerks for even noticing.

The teabaggers are wretched scum. It is that pure and simple.

52 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:50:39am
53 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:51:07am

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m sure that makes sense to him.

I wonder what 3/5 of an individual right is?

54 theheat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:51:44am

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

What did that hate-on take, all of 5 minutes?
//

55 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:51:45am

re: #36 EdDantes

He said it is “impossible to be a racist and a tea-partier because the constitution is all about individual rights”.”

I missed when I went to reply…

I wonder what 3/5 of an individual right is.

56 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:51:57am

re: #39 jamesfirecat

Like the individual right of that individual to own another individual and have them be counted as only 3/5ths of a person when it comes time to do the census!

The 3/5 ths of a human being thing was from the north to limit the power of the south.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:53:16am

re: #56 EdDantes

The 3/5 ths of a human being thing was from the north to limit the power of the south.

True, but we’re talkin’ about the Constitution here. And how could it be to limit the power of a region, when the Constitution is all about INDIVIDUAL rights?

Huh?

////

58 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:54:01am

re: #54 theheat

What did that hate-on take, all of 5 minutes?
//

Ohhh it would take me more than 5 minutes to fully vent on all the reasons that I detest the teabaggers.

I will simply say this, anyone who thinks it is Godwin to point out the similarities to the early nazis is either ignorant of the history or trying to pretend it isn’t as bad as it seems.

59 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:55:15am

re: #37 Gus 802

Tea Party leader Mark Williams rips Scott Stringer as ‘Jewish Uncle Tom’ for supporting WTC mosque

Wow…how gross. What’s with the ‘Uncle Tom’ references lately?

61 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:56:25am

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

Wow…how gross. What’s with the ‘Uncle Tom’ references lately?

The racist climate would be my guess.

62 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:56:34am

So Williams’ logic is you can’t be a Tea Partier and be racist because the Constitution emphaizes individual rights. What does that even mean. Seriously, I am sick of these guys acting like they have a monopoly on the Constitution. I am just glad to never encountered them personally. One of them got all up in my old man’s face when he voted last year.

63 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:56:36am

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

It’s the go-to smear of the year for racists smearing others as racists.

64 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:59:07am

re: #56 EdDantes

The 3/5 ths of a human being thing was from the north to limit the power of the south.

Excuse me?

There were two parts, The North did not want the slaves - who would never actually be allowed to vote simply being a multiplier for the slave owner’s vote. That is true.

The South did not want the slaves accounted any of the rights of American citizens other than “voting” as a multiplier for their masters. This particularly applied to their fear of Blacks being conscripted in to military where they might learn to fight back.

65 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:59:11am

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

Here is why the NAACP was founded.

Because the legacy of slavery did not end with Juneteenth. And yet the same people who “refudiate” the NAACP today also think the Civil Rights Act went too far.

Cognitive dissonance?

No. Racism.

And yes, I know that Paul Robeson was a commie. I love him forever anyway.

66 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:59:34am

re: #56 EdDantes

The 3/5 ths of a human being thing was from the north to limit the power of the south.

Because the south wanted to have their slaves count as a full person so that they could have more representatives in the Congress.

Where as the North responded with “but they aren’t people they’re slaves, you can pass ownership of them through sale, just like you would a donkey. Are we going to start counting donkeys to determine how many seats each state gets in congress?”

The South wouldn’t join if the salves didn’t count for something, so both sides became equally unhappy with the 3/5ths agreement, but they could live with it.

Excuse me while I shed a tear for how southern slave owners weren’t given more legislative power/representation in congress while I play the worlds tiniest banjo….

67 darthstar  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:59:38am

OT: Anyone familiar with the neighborhoods near Berkeley Bowl/Iceland? My wife saw a house online that she likes, and as we were outbid on the last one, and she not-so-secretly wants to live in Berkeley…well, you understand how that goes…

Thanks in advance.

68 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:59:48am

re: #60 Gus 802

Racist in Chief strikes again: Obama’s White People Tax Latest Obama Tax is on white people / sufferers of the white-specific disorder S.A.D. - Mark Williams

Wait….that’s not an Onion bit….
hahahahahaha
You cannot even make this shit up.
I’m white “help, help I being oppressed”…..

69 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:00:18pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but we’re talkin’ about the Constitution here. And how could it be to limit the power of a region, when the Constitution is all about INDIVIDUAL rights?

Huh?

///

It depends on which individual rights are being addressed. We do have the constitution to protect all individual rights although they weren’t applied uni formally until formally the fifties. Thanks to SCOTUS, it is no longer regional.

70 theheat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:00:30pm

re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote

No, I didn’t mean you, I meant Mark Williams. Sorry if you thought otherwise.

71 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:00:57pm

re: #55 LudwigVanQuixote

I wonder what 3/5 of an individual right is.

I think thats called the “Right to know your place boy”.

/

72 b_sharp  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:01:32pm

re: #8 Gus 802

Mark Williams

You have to wonder what he sees in there.

Umm, I guess not.

73 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:01:33pm

re: #68 webevintage

Wait…that’s not an Onion bit…
hahahahahaha
You cannot even make this shit up.
I’m white “help, help I being oppressed”…

Here’s one from 2007 and from his website:

Media Matters Attacks Mark Williams’ comments on Obama

Media Matters seems to take exception with my accurate description of Barack bin al Hussein Osama O’Bomber as a “domestic insurgent”.

Cockroaches always hate having a light shined on them… click here to go to the Media Matters attack.

Obama as a representative of the domestic insurgency is a major topic on today’s Mark Williams Show

————————————————————————

Update; 7:00 PM (PDT), October 5: Like the limp-wristed fairies that they are, Media Matters’ esteem was wounded and now they are crying like a little girl.

74 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:03:49pm

I have to point out by the way, that accusing black people of racism - after attacking them on unfounded racist grounds - is exactly the same psychology of telling the rape victim she was a “slut who asked for it.”

It is just as vile.

75 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:04:23pm

And folks with SAD I understand the tanning tax thing (my Dad used to suffer from it but he used some type of light box) but really most people using a tanning booth are not there for their health.

The complaint still sounds like something The Onion would do…

76 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:05:02pm

re: #65 Cato the Elder

BTW: According to the Wikipedia, there was more REPUBLICAN support, ultimately, for the CRA of ‘64 than DEMOCRAT…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

77 ShaunP  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:06:06pm

re: #60 Gus 802

Racist in Chief strikes again: Obama’s White People Tax Latest Obama Tax is on white people / sufferers of the white-specific disorder S.A.D. - Mark Williams

God, why did you link to that site. Here’s the latest post:

Colored people change their mind about emancipation

To their credit, the posters there are quite a bit more reasonable than I would anticipate:

Christopher Renner says:
July 15, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Mark, I assume the point you were trying to make here was that the NAACP enables the welfare mentality that harms so many blacks and others. That’s perfectly valid.

This post, though, is an utter failure at communicating that idea. Maybe it’d sound better if you were reading it on your radio show, I don’t know. As it reads now, you’re just giving the Tea Party’s opponents ammunition to use against us. It would be unbelievably easy for someone to draw a conclusion that you’re a racist from this post, given the crude stereotypes and repeated use of the term “colored people”.

But Mark doubles down:


Mark Williams says:
July 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Where in that article do you see me addressing American Blacks, or any black people for that matter?

I am mocking those people who call themselves “Colored People” and who are now fighting to be kept as government owned pets, whilst hurling charges of racism at those who embrace freedom and civil rights.

It is in your head that the term “Colored People” means “Black”.

78 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:06:28pm

At least the University of Texas is showing signs of stepping away from the crazy that the rest of the state has been exhibiting as of late:

UT strips Klansman’s name from Austin dorm

Of course, some of the commenters don’t agree with the decision….


texanna said on July 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Enough of this commie, politically correct violence! That’s what it is, a cultural attack! Stop rewriting history! The America-hating left will not be happy until every edifice is named for Seizure Chavez, Martin Looter King, or Karl Marx. Mark my words, eventually they’ll want Washington off the dollar bill because “he owned slaves.” Don’t play the “you’re a racist” game. It’s only used to change the subject as someone is losing an argument. God Bless Texas.

bobwall said on July 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Should Robert Byrd’s name be removed from everthing ? I think so

79 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:06:30pm

re: #64 LudwigVanQuixote

Did I post something untrue? I just saw I was down-dinged. I was not defending slavery.

81 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:06:49pm

re: #76 reuven

BTW: According to the Wikipedia, there was more REPUBLICAN support, ultimately, for the CRA of ‘64 than DEMOCRAT…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

That may be one reason why Martin Luther King was a Republican.

82 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:06:57pm

re: #60 Gus 802

That tax is asinine. But not as asinine as [Link: www.govtrack.us…] HR 4646, which would tax bank transactions and ATM withdrawals.

83 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:08:14pm

re: #82 reuven

That tax is asinine. But not as asinine as [Link: www.govtrack.us…] HR 4646, which would tax bank transactions and ATM withdrawals.

Oh. That won’t go anywhere.

To establish a fee on transactions which would eliminate the national debt and replace the income tax on individuals.

84 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:08:16pm

re: #76 reuven

BTW: According to the Wikipedia, there was more REPUBLICAN support, ultimately, for the CRA of ‘64 than DEMOCRAT…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Why yes there was!

Also back then, I’m not sure if you knew this, but Strom Thurmond was a Democrat!

The CRA of 1964 was the last hurrah of the Republicans being the party of Lincoln. They helped passed it, but then 80-95% of the racists democrats left the party to join the GOP, and cue Nixon’s Southern Strategy which got us where we are today.

85 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:08:30pm

re: #66 jamesfirecat

Because the south wanted to have their slaves count as a full person so that they could have more representatives in the Congress.

Where as the North responded with “but they aren’t people they’re slaves, you can pass ownership of them through sale, just like you would a donkey. Are we going to start counting donkeys to determine how many seats each state gets in congress?”

The South wouldn’t join if the salves didn’t count for something, so both sides became equally unhappy with the 3/5ths agreement, but they could live with it.

Excuse me while I shed a tear for how southern slave owners weren’t given more legislative power/representation in congress while I play the worlds tiniest banjo…

Isn’t that what I posted?

86 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:09:18pm

re: #77 ShaunP

The evidence is in with this guy.

87 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:09:50pm

re: #82 reuven

That tax is asinine. But not as asinine as [Link: www.govtrack.us…] HR 4646, which would tax bank transactions and ATM withdrawals.

Well that looks pretty dead, no co-sponsers…..

88 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:10:06pm

re: #84 jamesfirecat

Yes, of course WE know that.

But I wonder if today’s Teapublicans know their own history.

89 darthstar  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:10:26pm

Wall Street Reform passed the Senate.

What it’s got:

* Derivatives Exchanges and Clearing: Forces almost all derivatives trading onto exchanges and through clearinghouses, with narrow exemptions for non-financial end users.
* Derivatives Spin-Off: Forces banks to spin-off some derivatives trading activity (commodities, energy, metals, agriculture, equities and below-investment-grade credit default swaps) but keep trading related to interest rate swaps, foreign exchange swaps, credit, gold and silver, investment-grade credit default swaps and “any transaction used to hedge risk.”
* Volcker Rule: Implements a stronger ban proposed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Jeff Merkley (D-OR), but with an exemption sought by Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) that allows banks to invest up to three percent of their Tier 1 capital in risky hedge funds and private equity firms.
* Consumer Protection Agency: A Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, housed within the Federal Reserve, with an independent director and rule-writing authority. It could be overruled by a majority vote of the Financial Stability Oversight Council, which is composed of bank regulators..
* Auto Dealer Exemption: Exempts auto dealers from oversight by the new consumer regulator.
* Resolution Fund: Includes resolution authority funded by an after-the-fact assessment on large financial institutions. Any extra money needed to unwind a firm can be fronted by the Treasury Department.

I’m not so happy about the Auto Dealer exemption. They’re about as the most predatory people out there when it comes to getting people to spend money they can’t afford.

The other big weakness is allowing bank regulators the ability to overrule the Consumer Protection Agency - but how do you get reform passed when 40% of the Senators are dead-set against consumer protection, and 10% of the Democrats are in the pocket of the financial industry.

Maybe we’ll get some amendments to strenghten this in the future.

90 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:10:31pm

re: #85 EdDantes

Isn’t that what I posted?

No. It was not ‘from the North to limit the power of the South’. It was a compromise— the North wanted— or rather, sanity wanted— slaves to not count at all for representation.

91 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:11:41pm

re: #43 reuven

Obama has taken away a few of my freedoms as a small businessman. I was very disappointed in the health care reform bill, especially the LACK of a public option. Without a public option, it severely overburdens small business with new regulations. (Most small businesses actually welcomed the public option, and some single-payer high-risk pool. This way we’d only have to provide insurance or self-insurance for the gap…) I have to spend thousands a year on tax attorneys and accountants because of the complexity of it all.

(See [Link: www.s-corp.org…] )

And H.R. 4213, which has Obama’s support, would also take away a significant number of my freedoms ( [Link: www.opencongress.org…] ) while at the same time shoveling more money at deadbeats. He wants to restrict business with 3 or fewer employees from certain protections offered other businesses.

HOWEVER, despite the fact that the Tea Party claims its origins are in opposition to excessive taxation, spending, and regulation, they’d rather get into arguments with the NAACP about their name, than address problems facing small business. So I, personally, have nothing to do with them.

“Deadbeats”? Mmkay.

You mean, like, spoiled unemployed people?

In any case, I can hardly fail not to weep for “small businessmen” who think being “small” means you can treat your employees like disposable, interchangeable parts for your machine.

Just sayin’.

92 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:11:47pm

re: #79 EdDantes

Did I post something untrue? I just saw I was down-dinged. I was not defending slavery.

What you posted was true but it was true in a “mean” “unhelpful” sort of way.

For example it would also be true to say that “The election of Abraham Lincoln proved that the South could no longer prevail against the North during presidential elections.”

Its true, isn’t it? But it’s not a very helpful or a very nice thing to say and it by no means justifies what came next.

And that’s why I downdinged you….

93 Lidane  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:11:54pm

re: #88 reuven

Yes, of course WE know that.

But I wonder if today’s Teapublicans know their own history.

Knowing history would mean having to read books that don’t follow the Tea Party line. No way would these people ever go for that.

94 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:13:44pm

re: #78 RadicalModerate

At least the University of Texas is showing signs of stepping away from the crazy that the rest of the state has been exhibiting as of late:

UT strips Klansman’s name from Austin dorm

Of course, some of the commenters don’t agree with the decision…

Looks like the Lost Cause has been found.

95 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:14:04pm

re: #43 reuven

Obama has taken away a few of my freedoms as a small businessman. I was very disappointed in the health care reform bill, especially the LACK of a public option. Without a public option, it severely overburdens small business with new regulations. (Most small businesses actually welcomed the public option, and some single-payer high-risk pool. This way we’d only have to provide insurance or self-insurance for the gap…) I have to spend thousands a year on tax attorneys and accountants because of the complexity of it all.

Are there no tax breaks and such for small businesses?

96 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:14:59pm

More from Mark Williams. It’s difficult to read that page but if you do a “select all” it’s readable.

Katrina +2 + New Orleans = Genetic Dead End

The old joke goes like this: A man and his family ignore urgent warnings that a flood is approaching their home. The man tells his family not to worry because God will save them. As the waters begin to flood the yard a fire truck appears and the firemen urge the man and his family to climb aboard and escape the coming torrent. The man declines, citing his belief in God The man and his family are soon forced up to the roof of their home, which is now engulfed in deep water. Soon a boat comes by to rescue everyone but the man waves them off in favor of waiting for God. Soon the water is an angry, swirling deluge and is lapping against the eves of the house. A helicopter appears and rescuers urge the family to get in and fly away. Again, the man refuses…

The American Left Wing has been so stunningly successful at infantilizing a critical mass of our population that a spectacular dependency has taken root. It manifests as a critical mass of population that has neither the ability nor the wherewithal to understand survival, much less prosper.

I am not talking about lazy or shiftless; I am not even talking about people a little short on survival instinct. I am talking about humans with all the self-sufficiency and initiative of a veal calf.

Try these numbers from New Orleans, less than 2 years after Katrina inundated that city: 61 percent with no idea where or how to find shelter. 54 percent, who say that they are “sure” that they will be rescued if they ignore evacuation orders and stay home. 14 percent who say that no matter what they will not move out of the way of an advancing major hurricane, even if ordered, even knowing they live below sea level, and with the experience of Katrina.

When asked why, the respondents gave idiotic reasons ranging from not wanting to leave their goldfish home to fearing traffic jams or crowded shelters. Most normal people when confronted with a matter of survival or dealing with the above would do one of two things; deal with it, or gasp! actually take control and devise their own escape and shelter strategy. Something drastic like maybe packing a suitcase and leaving for grandma’s house inland maybe.

To the genetic dead-ends in New Orleans the notion of taking even the most insignificant moves toward protecting themselves and their families is so far beyond their comprehension as to be completely foreign to them. That they can inhale and exhale without governmental assistance is a miracle.

My answer? Lead that horse to water next time by issuing the evacuation order. If the horse stays put, let it drown. Too many people fight too hard to stay alive for the rest of us to have to suffer these kinds of fools.

97 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:15:02pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

That may be one reason why Martin Luther King was a Republican.

ORLY?

[Link: www.rantrave.com…]

?

98 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:15:32pm

re: #85 EdDantes

Isn’t that what I posted?

Its what you posted and Context for it.

99 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:16:57pm

re: #73 Gus 802

“Barack bin al Hussein Osama O’Bomber”?

That’s original Mark Williams prose?

Way to show your total ignorance of Arabic, insult the Irish, and make yourself look like a total fucktard, all in one little phrase.

100 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:16:58pm

re: #89 darthstar

For each “derivative” that existed, there were thousands of American “middle-class” people who gleefully borrowed more money than they could possible pay back. Yet nobody is interested in holding these people accountable. In fact, they’re getting handouts and taxbreaks worth nearly a trillion dollars, despite the fact that the majority of these loans had some fraudulent element (like lying about income, deducting interest improperly on home equity loans, etc.)

I’m disappointed that our “reform” only includes half the problem.

Why couldn’t the Government, for example, using EXISTING LAWS, audit every government-backed stated-income mortgage and make sure that these people paid income tax on their “stated income?” That, alone, would have recovered billions.

101 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:17:15pm

Read here again from Mark Williams.

Hermaphrodite and the Halfrican

The ‘08 election gets more and more entertaining every day!

Read on….

“WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrats will nominate Hillary Rodham Clinton for president in 2008 and Barack Obama will be her running mate, former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich predicts.” Click here for story

So he called then Senator Obama a “Halficran” and Hillary Clinton a hermaphrodite.

102 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:17:36pm

re: #91 Cato the Elder

No, I mean the extension of the $8,000 first-time homebuyers tax credit, that had a 50% fraud rate.

103 darthstar  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:17:40pm

re: #43 reuven

Obama has taken away a few of my freedoms as a small businessman. I was very disappointed in the health care reform bill, especially the LACK of a public option. Without a public option, it severely overburdens small business with new regulations. (Most small businesses actually welcomed the public option, and some single-payer high-risk pool. This way we’d only have to provide insurance or self-insurance for the gap…) I have to spend thousands a year on tax attorneys and accountants because of the complexity of it all.

Did you write your congressman during the Health Care Debates and demand the public option? Or were you hoping for the bill to fail altogether? If the former, then you have a right to be upset - a lot of us fought for the public option, and still hope to get it in future legislation. If the latter, then deal with it. 33,000,000 people will get affordable health insurance, and the rest of us will have to pay a little more. It’s the cost of living in this wonderful country.

104 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:17:49pm

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

And the attacks on Jews follow soon in the wake.

I have no doubt you guys (along with several other groups) are also on the list. As I mentioned in a comment on a page I created earlier, these people are about halfway through the 8 Stages of Genocide list.

105 ShaunP  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:18:34pm

re: #97 jamesfirecat

ORLY?

[Link: www.rantrave.com…]

?

He actually was a registered republican, as were most blacks prior to the CRA; it was the party of Lincoln, after all. Once they ran Goldwater for president and endorsed the southern strategy, he turned on the republican party. He says as much in his autobiography. I don’t think he ever officially changed parties though…

[Link: books.google.com…]

106 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:19:01pm

re: #103 darthstar

I was a big supporter of the Public Option and, in fact, told Anna Eshoo that I supported it. In person, when she spoke at a local event. I’m a registered DEMOCRAT.

107 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:19:09pm

re: #96 Gus 802

What a fucking disgusting racist dogstabbing crapeating pychotic sandpaperbrained effluvious shit he is.

That article very clearly says that we should have let the residents of New Orleans die rather than try to save them, because they’re genetic dead-ends.

He carefully never uses the word black, so in his smirking, ‘oh-i’m-so-clever’ passive aggressive feces-spewing he can deny that he’s a racist.

He compares them to horses.

He is utter scum. I cannot believe anyone would give this guy airtime. He is Stormfront.

108 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:19:18pm

Another one.

Clinton, Obama Court Racist Voters in Florida

That Hillary “Hildebeast” Rodham-Clinton and Barack bin al Hussein Osama Obama would appear before an ethnic supremacy group called “The Race” to pander for votes is bad enough. However, according to CBS4 TV in South Florida, the hermaphrodite and the halfrican did their soft shoe for a Hispanic chapter of La Raza (literally translates from Spanish to English as “The Race”).

What offends me about that is that it is the Hispanics who first attempted to clean Central and South America of all ancestors of today’s Latinos, via the always popular among despots method of genocide. Today those same Hispanics are the slave traders selling Latinos to US corporations via middlemen such as Mara Salvatrucha (MS 13). Remember boys and girls, racism and intolerance are only okay for democrats.

109 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:19:31pm

Anyone who denies that there are racists in the ranks of every substantial organization, bar none, is a liar.

110 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:19:53pm

re: #107 Obdicut

What a fucking disgusting racist dogstabbing crapeating pychotic sandpaperbrained effluvious shit he is.

That article very clearly says that we should have let the residents of New Orleans die rather than try to save them, because they’re genetic dead-ends.

He carefully never uses the word black, so in his smirking, ‘oh-i’m-so-clever’ passive aggressive feces-spewing he can deny that he’s a racist.

He compares them to horses.

He is utter scum. I cannot believe anyone would give this guy airtime. He is Stormfront.

Yep. I’ll say it, Mark Williams is a racist pig.

111 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:20:00pm

re: #104 CuriousLurker

I have no doubt you guys (along with several other groups) are also on the list. As I mentioned in a comment on a page I created earlier, these people are about halfway through the 8 Stages of Genocide list.

All I can say is, the more the Tea Partiers tell each other to buy ammo, the more ammo I buy.

112 darthstar  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:20:54pm

re: #100 reuven

For each “derivative” that existed, there were thousands of American “middle-class” people who gleefully borrowed more money than they could possible pay back. Yet nobody is interested in holding these people accountable. In fact, they’re getting handouts and taxbreaks worth nearly a trillion dollars, despite the fact that the majority of these loans had some fraudulent element (like lying about income, deducting interest improperly on home equity loans, etc.)

I’m disappointed that our “reform” only includes half the problem.

Why couldn’t the Government, for example, using EXISTING LAWS, audit every government-backed stated-income mortgage and make sure that these people paid income tax on their “stated income?” That, alone, would have recovered billions.

Okay…I know where you stand on reform. Blaming the victims of the housing crisis for getting sucked in by the booming market. Classy.

113 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:21:19pm

re: #109 Spare O’Lake

No, that’s really not the point. It’s not that they’re in every organization. It’s that they’re prominent in the Tea Party, such as in the person of Mark Williams, spokesperson for the Tea Party Express.

It is not about them being in ‘every substantial organization’. It’s about them being loud, proud, and out and about in the Tea Party.

Christ.

114 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:21:24pm

re: #108 Gus 802

Another one.

Seriously this guy is pathetic as hell and yep a racist.

115 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:21:41pm

re: #92 jamesfirecat

What you posted was true but it was true in a “mean” “unhelpful” sort of way.

For example it would also be true to say that “The election of Abraham Lincoln proved that the South could no longer prevail against the North during presidential elections.”

Its true, isn’t it? But it’s not a very helpful or a very nice thing to say and it by no means justifies what came next.

And that’s why I downdinged you…

I appreciate you explaining why you down-dinged me but I merely pointed out that many Northerners owned slaves although they were against slavery. They did not want those in servitude in the south to vote and insisted that were were 3/5ths of a person.

116 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:21:51pm

Mark Williams again in 2007:

Halfrican Obama Senses Victory for allah

As his follow up to calling for the invasion of Pakistan (on behalf of al Qaeda no doubt) the half-black white guy now vows to leave US missiles in their silos no matter what happens… even in the event of a nuclear strike against us. What possible reason could he have? There are only 3:

1. Barack bin al Hussein Osama O’bomber senses victory for his god allah and wishes to disarm the Great Satan, or
2. Obama is testing the waters for the Hildebeast to see if it is safe for her to unleash the Clinton hatred of Jews and America, or
3. He has all the intellectual depth of Paris Hilton and is imploding.

Let us all hope for the sake of America that it is door number 3. Click here for the story

UPDATE: Things that make you go “Hmmmm”. Obama is part muslim. American Black muslims believe that God is a black man in a UFO and that whites (and the USA) are Satan. Regular, garden variety muslims worship a black meteorite on a throne in mecca and believe that the USA (representing their age old enemy - civilization) is Satan. Obama wants to over-throw Musharrif (hated by al Qaeda) and then holister our weapons — in the middle of a war being waged by islam against us. Anybody miss the clues here?

117 ShaunP  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:22:11pm

re: #113 Obdicut

No, that’s really not the point. It’s not that they’re in every organization. It’s that they’re prominent in the Tea Party, such as in the person of Mark Williams, spokesperson for the Tea Party Express.

It is not about them being in ‘every substantial organization’. It’s about them being loud, proud, and out and about in the Tea Party.

Christ.

And how he won’t just say, “we don’t want you” to said racist factions…

118 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:23:10pm

re: #116 Gus 802

“holister our weapons”?

Only the Tea Party could take a moron like that seriously.

119 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:23:17pm

re: #115 EdDantes

They did not want those in servitude in the south to vote and insisted that were were 3/5ths of a person.

No, that is completely wrong. It’s not that they didn’t want them to vote, but they didn’t want them to count for purposes of representation.

120 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:23:33pm

re: #116 Gus 802

Mark Williams again in 2007:

Dude how can you stand going though that swill?
Ugh, the Katrina one…just…what a POS.

121 Gus  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:24:39pm

re: #120 webevintage

Dude how can you stand going though that swill?
Ugh, the Katrina one…just…what a POS.

I know. It’s a dirty job but somebody has to do it.

Nice spokesman the Tea Party has their no? And this idiot is calling the NAACP racist?

122 Lidane  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:24:49pm

re: #117 ShaunP

And how he won’t just say, “we don’t want you” to said racist factions…

If he said that, he’d lose a lot of warm bodies willing to go to his rallies and wallets that contribute to his organization.

123 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:25:28pm

Mark Williams said, “Everybody who goes to a Tea Party is a Tea Party Leader” You know what that means, right? No leaders.

Nobody responsible for those racist signs.

124 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:26:10pm

re: #115 EdDantes

I appreciate you explaining why you down-dinged me but I merely pointed out that many Northerners owned slaves although they were against slavery. They did not want those in servitude in the south to vote and insisted that were were 3/5ths of a person.

It wasn’t about being aloud to vote, it was about representation, back when it was first written, women weren’t able to vote, but I’m pretty sure they still counted for a full person when doing a census to determine how many people a state would get in the lower house. The South wanted Blacks to be the same way, but the North argued because of how a slave was viewed as a tool/something you could own, it didn’t make logical sense for them to be counted for representation any more than one would count animals or hammers.

125 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:26:11pm

re: #122 Lidane

If he said that, he’d lose a lot of warm bodies willing to go to his rallies and wallets that contribute to his organization.

He’d have to say it to himself. He’s an enormous, disgusting racist.

I cannot believe US politics has reached this point. I cannot believe the GOP is not repudiating the fuck out of crap like this. I cannot believe that yet again, black people are the oh-so-scary demon enemy of the state.

Fucking hell.

126 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:26:22pm

re: #112 darthstar

The “housing crisis” was the fact that house prices got out of sync with wages! I’m for affordable housing. If government-sponsored loans required the traditional 20% downpayments, and debt-to-income ratios of, say, 2x annual salary, house prices would be lower today and our economy would be in much better shape.

The “victims” of the housing crises were people who were priced out of buying homes, because they didn’t want to take on debt they couldn’t possibly pay back, and existing homeowners who saw their property values rise because of phony valuations. Not those who lied on mortgage applications and bought things they couldn’t afford.

Don’t get me wrong, the banks and lenders need regulation. I’m not opposed to most of the new rules. But something should have been down about reckless consumer borrowing, too.

127 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:26:28pm

re: #102 reuven

No, I mean the extension of the $8,000 first-time homebuyers tax credit, that had a 50% fraud rate.

Has there been no movement to collect the funds from those who committed fraud?
(and yes the “up to 50%” fraud rate sucks)

128 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:26:47pm

re: #119 Obdicut

No, that is completely wrong. It’s not that they didn’t want them to vote, but they didn’t want them to count for purposes of representation.

So the north was racist?

129 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:27:03pm

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

And the attacks on Jews follow soon in the wake.

Jews are already getting it from ALL sides, and in these bad economic times it is sure to get much, much, worse.
Time to lock and load.

130 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:27:52pm

re: #128 EdDantes

So the north was racist?

Speaking of passive aggressive bullshit:

GAZE.

131 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:28:11pm

re: #126 reuven
This may be oversimplification, but I blame the current crisis, in large part, on greed by all the levels of American (and world) society. Nobody was exempt.

132 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:28:41pm

re: #129 Spare O’Lake

Jews are already getting it from ALL sides, and in these bad economic times it is sure to get much, much, worse.
Time to lock and load.

Are you advocating violence?

133 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:28:55pm

re: #109 Spare O’Lake

Anyone who denies that there are racists in the ranks of every substantial organization, bar none, is a liar.

You really have to admire your constant struggle for total equivalence.

134 Lidane  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:29:05pm

re: #125 Obdicut

I cannot believe US politics has reached this point. I cannot believe the GOP is not repudiating the fuck out of crap like this. I cannot believe that yet again, black people are the oh-so-scary demon enemy of the state.

Fucking hell.

Black people AND brown people. Basically, anyone that is an “other”, who doesn’t neatly fit into the categories of white, straight, male, and Christian is considered an enemy of the state by these fanatics.

It’s frightening, and it’s also offensive and ridiculous that our politics in 2010 is still filled with crap like this.

135 webevintage  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:29:24pm

re: #126 reuven

Don’t get me wrong, the banks and lenders need regulation. I’m not opposed to most of the new rules. But something should have been down about reckless consumer borrowing, too.

Agree.
But what can be done besides making sure that the folks handing out the money actually make sure people have jobs, ect.
And is the market not correcting this issue?

136 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:30:56pm

re: #128 EdDantes

So the north was racist?

And the South was racist.

Back when our bill of rights was written EVERYBODY WAS RACIST! Hell even Abraham Lincoln who wanted to free the slaves over a hundred years later didn’t really believe that blacks were the equal of whites.

Besides the North’s (racist) point was consistent, if someone is to be a tool they should be viewed as tool in all legal ways, not all legal ways except those where in it benefits you to have them be counted as a regular person which was the south’s (at least equally racist) have their cake and eat it to argument.

137 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:31:08pm

re: #111 Cato the Elder

All I can say is, the more the Tea Partiers tell each other to buy ammo, the more ammo I buy.

Smart man. Until recently I disregarded them as cranks, but now that this stuff seems to be going mainstream—i.e. I see the MSM giving airtime to people like Geller & Company as if their platform is valid (or even sane), and mainstream politicians aren’t ashamed to back these nutjobs—then I have to start taking it seriously.

138 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:31:44pm

You know, for someone who claims he’s not a racist, he seems to have a lot of support over at sites like Stormfront:

Google Cache is your friend

139 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:32:10pm

re: #113 Obdicut

No, that’s really not the point. It’s not that they’re in every organization. It’s that they’re prominent in the Tea Party, such as in the person of Mark Williams, spokesperson for the Tea Party Express.

It is not about them being in ‘every substantial organization’. It’s about them being loud, proud, and out and about in the Tea Party.

Christ.

Have a look at the lead-in to this thread. That outright denial is what I was dealing with, and I really don’t know why you seem to have a problem with that basic undeniable proposition.

140 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:32:21pm

re: #131 EmmmieG

Not true. I think special effort should be made to protect Americans who really had nothing to do with the current crisis. For one thing, efforts to “prop up” house prices though giveaways, artificially low interest rates, etc, are harmful to non-borrowers. Why should they be punished?

And when we have huge deficits, why eliminate tax on forgiven mortgage debt? ([Link: www.irs.gov…] ) and raise tax burdens for others?

Before we talk about raising taxes, can we at least stop handing out tax breaks meant to prop up one specific market (houses)?

141 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:33:28pm

re: #136 jamesfirecat

And the South was racist.

Back when our bill of rights was written EVERYBODY WAS RACIST! Hell even Abraham Lincoln who wanted to free the slaves over a hundred years later didn’t really believe that blacks were the equal of whites.

Besides the North’s (racist) point was consistent, if someone is to be a tool they should be viewed as tool in all legal ways, not all legal ways except those where in it benefits you to have them be counted as a regular person which was the south’s (at least equally racist) have their cake and eat it to argument.

They were all racist! I know that!

142 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:34:03pm

re: #132 EdDantes

Are you advocating violence?

Are you a shithead or an asshole?

143 b_sharp  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:34:21pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m sure that makes sense to him.

He figures his rights are more important than anyone else’s, and that applies to everyone equally. If two people with equal most important rights have a disagreement, then they whip their dicks out, grab a tape measure and the one with the biggest pecker wins.

144 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:34:24pm

re: #140 reuven

Not true. I think special effort should be made to protect Americans who really had nothing to do with the current crisis. For one thing, efforts to “prop up” house prices though giveaways, artificially low interest rates, etc, are harmful to non-borrowers. Why should they be punished?

And when we have huge deficits, why eliminate tax on forgiven mortgage debt? ([Link: www.irs.gov…] ) and raise tax burdens for others?

Before we talk about raising taxes, can we at least stop handing out tax breaks meant to prop up one specific market (houses)?

Ah, I was unclear. I should have said, “No level of American society was exempt.” There are definitely individuals who had nothing to do with this.

145 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:35:48pm

re: #142 Spare O’Lake

Are you a shithead or an asshole?

Your call. I didn’t advocate lock and load.

146 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:35:49pm

re: #143 b_sharp

So I lose? Every single time? (Not having anything to measure, as it were.)

147 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:36:49pm

re: #133 Fozzie Bear

You really have to admire your constant struggle for total equivalence.

Are you really as crippled by your partisanship as you seem?

148 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:36:53pm

re: #146 EmmmieG

So I lose? Every single time? (Not having anything to measure, as it were.)

LOL!

149 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:38:40pm

re: #141 EdDantes

They were all racist! I know that!

If you know that then don’t go painting the North as some kind of over powering evil entity because they forced the south/slave owners to count those they treated as less than human as something less than human.

150 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:40:01pm

re: #139 Spare O’Lake

Because it’s a truism. The point is not that there must be some racists in the organization. The point is that they embrace racists— like himself— in the Tea Party.

I don’t know why you don’t understand what I’m saying. It’s perfectly straightforward.

151 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:41:45pm

re: #145 EdDantes

Your call. I didn’t advocate lock and load.

NEVER AGAIN.

152 darthstar  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:46:57pm

re: #126 reuven

The “housing crisis” was the fact that house prices got out of sync with wages! I’m for affordable housing. If government-sponsored loans required the traditional 20% downpayments, and debt-to-income ratios of, say, 2x annual salary, house prices would be lower today and our economy would be in much better shape.

The “victims” of the housing crises were people who were priced out of buying homes, because they didn’t want to take on debt they couldn’t possibly pay back, and existing homeowners who saw their property values rise because of phony valuations. Not those who lied on mortgage applications and bought things they couldn’t afford.

Don’t get me wrong, the banks and lenders need regulation. I’m not opposed to most of the new rules. But something should have been down about reckless consumer borrowing, too.

Having been priced out of the market for a few years now (and finally actually IN the market, though it’s still a stretch), I agree with much of what you said. When prices were skyrocketing and people were getting ARMs I knew they couldn’t afford, I’d look around and say, “Check out the HEV over there!” (I called all the SUVs and sports cars on the street Home Equity Vehicles)…money was cheap, but eventually it would have to be paid back.

But I don’t think it was reckless borrowing so much as it was reckless lending (nobody turns down easy money when it’s offered, and the banks were offering, offering, offering).

153 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:47:39pm

re: #149 jamesfirecat

If you know that then don’t go painting the North as some kind of over powering evil entity because they forced the south/slave owners to count those they treated as less than human as something less than human.

The only response I have is that I didn’t do that.The north was morally correct. I’m not an apologist for the the southern states. They were wrong to employ slavery. I wish the north had been more insistent that slavery was evil. I am happy that the north won the civil war as they should have.

154 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:53:28pm

re: #150 Obdicut

Because it’s a truism.

It is indeed a truism…which proves the point of the thread lead-in.
So what’s the problem? Are you imagining that I am defending Williams?

155 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:55:58pm

re: #151 Spare O’Lake

NEVER AGAIN.

Never again, what?

156 theliel  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:58:33pm

re: #100 reuven

For each “derivative” that existed, there were thousands of American “middle-class” people who gleefully borrowed more money than they could possible pay back. Yet nobody is interested in holding these people accountable. In fact, they’re getting handouts and taxbreaks worth nearly a trillion dollars, despite the fact that the majority of these loans had some fraudulent element (like lying about income, deducting interest improperly on home equity loans, etc.)

I’m disappointed that our “reform” only includes half the problem.

Why couldn’t the Government, for example, using EXISTING LAWS, audit every government-backed stated-income mortgage and make sure that these people paid income tax on their “stated income?” That, alone, would have recovered billions.

Economics FAIL

I implore you to read the collected works of Tanta at calculated risk and then go read the big picture and bondadblog.

we’ll wait.

1) for every home loan there were MULTIPLE derivitives. Because they were instruments DERIVED from the mortgatge debt. SO, y’know, you got that backwards

2) CDS (unregulated insurance) was the other huge bunker buster of the system. It allowed companies to write huge bad checks and then be set to get 110% back if the loans failed. more if they sold the securities but kept the CDS. THis is otherwise known as being able to sell a house and keep the insurance on it knowing that you violated fire code. Get paid twice.

3) the issue was a CREDIT BUBBLE not a housing bubble. This one is much longer and barry ritholtz does a much better job of explaining it.


But thank you for brining out ‘poor people caused this’ once again.

157 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:00:52pm

Spare O’ lake be gone

158 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:01:42pm

re: #153 EdDantes

The only response I have is that I didn’t do that.The north was morally correct. I’m not an apologist for the the southern states. They were wrong to employ slavery. I wish the north had been more insistent that slavery was evil. I am happy that the north won the civil war as they should have.

Then to make sure we all learned something lets go over your post again….


The 3/5 ths of a human being thing was from the north to limit the power of the south.

The 3/5ths of a human being thing was the only compromise the South was willing to accept and still join the union since it allowed them to do what today would amount to counting your ridding mower or computer as 3/5ths of a person towards how many representatives each state got in congress.

159 theliel  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:04:36pm

re: #126 reuven

the rampant fraud ended for most homebuyers in forclosure.

the rampant fraud ended for most middlemen in massive profits.

if you regulate the originators and the middle men then you will drastically decrease the amount of purchaser fraud because you’ve de-incentivised the people who would directly have to participate (or passivly ignore) the fraud.

160 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:04:55pm

As you say.

161 EdDantes  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:05:37pm

re: #160 EdDantes

As you say.

James.

162 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:13:45pm

re: #154 Spare O’Lake

As I already said: The point is not the one you made. It’s not that there are racists in every large organization. That is not the point. The point is the obvious, clear, strutting racists in the Tea Party.

Why do you have some kind of problem with me saying that?

163 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:19:52pm

re: #43 reuven

Obama has taken away a few of my freedoms as a small businessman. I was very disappointed in the health care reform bill, especially the LACK of a public option. Without a public option, it severely overburdens small business with new regulations. (Most small businesses actually welcomed the public option, and some single-payer high-risk pool. This way we’d only have to provide insurance or self-insurance for the gap…) I have to spend thousands a year on tax attorneys and accountants because of the complexity of it all.

(See [Link: www.s-corp.org…] )

And H.R. 4213, which has Obama’s support, would also take away a significant number of my freedoms ( [Link: www.opencongress.org…] ) while at the same time shoveling more money at deadbeats. He wants to restrict business with 3 or fewer employees from certain protections offered other businesses.

HOWEVER, despite the fact that the Tea Party claims its origins are in opposition to excessive taxation, spending, and regulation, they’d rather get into arguments with the NAACP about their name, than address problems facing small business. So I, personally, have nothing to do with them.

The more you have to spend on tax attorneys and accountants, the fewer people you can employ. People lose in this situation.

The tea parties are ignoring the problems of small businesses, as are the R’s in general, just like they are ignoring the Gulf problems and instead, heaping apologizing to BP. Ugh.

I’m disgusted with the whole lot of ‘em.

164 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:51:26pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Family. Can’t live with ‘em, can’t use ‘em for collateral on a loan.

Some people, you just can’t get a plug nickel for…

165 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:16:17pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

Mark Williams said, “Everybody who goes to a Tea Party is a Tea Party Leader” You know what that means, right? No leaders.

Nobody responsible for those racist signs.

If there are no leaders among the “Tea Party Leader(s)”, wouldn’t that make them anarchists? Anarchists who are being coopted and overrun by racists, white supremacists, nativists, and total boneheads…certainly makes me feel better.

/dripping


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