Bachmann Dives Into the Gutter

Remember when Republicans used to get upset about disrespecting the President?
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In South Carolina yesterday, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) went all the way out in a ranting speech accusing President Obama of “brown-nosing” the elites.

“Our Peace Prize-winning president is very busy bowing these days to kings,” she said. “He is bending down to dictators, and he is brown-nosing the elites that are in Europe, and he’s babying the jihadists who are following Sharia-compliant terrorism.”

Wow. Just so everyone’s clear about this: she’s saying that Barack Obama is kissing the ass of “the elites,” and getting feces on his nose.

Stay classy, Michele.

UPDATE at 2/22/11 10:47:41 am

Bachmann also said that “bureaucrats” (what does that make her?) are conducting a “war on fertility,” and that all of America’s problems will be solved if we prevent gay people from marrying each other.

She added, “The bureaucrats now hate our values; there’s a war on marriage, a war on family, a war on fertility all while funding and promoting abortion.”

Bachmann continued, “We don’t need political correctness because most fundamentally I believe the building block of the family is what the government needs to do right now and support two-parent families as the foundation of our economic and social policy.”

She said for that reason, social issues need to be a priority. “We can’t put the so called social issues on the back burner while we are solving our economic challenges because the family is the solution to those challenges.”

It’s difficult to express how disconnected from reality this kind of magical thinking is. Bachmann and her religious fanatic fan base actually seem to believe they can solve economic problems by discriminating against gays.

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213 comments
1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:19:02am

An American Representative or an anonymous freeper? We report, you decide!

2 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:19:43am

He should just look at her, and blink. Eventually, even she will get why this is one of the most ridiculous gaffes she's ever made. #steppedinit

3 Girth  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:19:49am

I almost want to see her run for the nomination for sheer entertainment value.

Almost.

4 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:20:21am

Words fail me.

Unless, I talk down to her level. Then I have lots of words for her.

5 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:20:47am

re: #4 BigPapa

Words fail me.

Unless, I talk down to her level. Then I have lots of words for her.

Its beyond the Palin is what it is....

6 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:21:01am

Sharia-compliant sounds like something you'd see on a sticker.

7 Girth  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:21:50am

re: #6 Obdicut

Sharia-compliant sounds like something you'd see on a sticker.

It's a much more hard-line version of Energy-Star.

8 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:22:37am

And to think, just a couple of years ago, the GOP would have keelhauled anyone who said something similar about Bush when he was POTUS. Now it's acceptable.

9 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:22:52am

She must have used a springboard in order to get up to the gutter.

10 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:24:37am

Bachmann and her husband own a Christian counseling center in Stillwater OK, (where is at least safe from Shariah law).

I have some Christian counsel for her from my late grandmother: Wash your mouth out with soap, young lady.

11 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:24:58am

re: #8 Lidane

And to think, just a couple of years ago, the GOP would have keelhauled anyone who said something similar about Bush when he was POTUS. Now it's acceptable.

Q__st__n_ng th_ Pr_s_d_nt _n _ t_m_ _f w_r _mb_ld_ns __r _n_m__s

Care to buy a vowel?

12 stevemcg  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:26:40am

re: #11 jamesfirecat

"...emboldens our enemas"?

13 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:27:19am

This is why nobody should ever trust a fundamentalist who says "I'm about fiscal conservatism":

She also talked about the “family bubble.”

“The family is on a bubble right now. The rate of cohabitating couples in one year increased 13 percent,” she said. “The family is the ultimate first form and first unit in government and society.”

She added, “The bureaucrats now hate our values; there’s a war on marriage, a war on family, a war on fertility all while funding and promoting abortion.”

Bachmann continued, “We don’t need political correctness because most fundamentally I believe the building block of the family is what the government needs to do right now and support two-parent families as the foundation of our economic and social policy.”

She said for that reason, social issues need to be a priority. “We can’t put the so called social issues on the back burner while we are solving our economic challenges because the family is the solution to those challenges.”

"War on fertility." Is that a new one?

14 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:28:44am

re: #13 wrenchwench

This is why nobody should ever trust a fundamentalist who says "I'm about fiscal conservatism":

"War on fertility." Is that a new one?

///All those x-rays the government is making people walk through to get on airplanes are destroying their ability to reproduce!

15 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:29:12am

Are you sure that she wasn't channeling Khadafi?

16 elizajane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:29:54am

re: #8 Lidane

And to think, just a couple of years ago, the GOP would have keelhauled anyone who said something similar about Bush when he was POTUS. Now it's acceptable.

But of course. Because Bush never brown-nosed any elites, anywhere, under any circumstances.
///

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:29:58am

Uh okay Michelle. Keep telling yourself that.

18 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:30:17am

The Bush brothers used to hang out on the family Yacht with Saudi Benazir, but that was not brown-nosing, in fact they probably had white noses by the end of their parties...

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:30:37am

"Sharia-compliant terrorism".

Now there's a phrase.

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:31:45am

Sharia compatible and retroactively adaptable to the 7th century AD.

21 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:32:42am

I just hope that Bachmann's constituents get tired of her making an ass out of herself and vote her out.

22 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:33:23am

Bachmann / Fetus Inajar '12

23 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:33:52am

She's out crazy-ing Cynthia McKinney.

24 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:34:10am

So she's flying around on the taxpayers dime shuttling between DC and South Carolina for the weekend when she should be either in DC or Minnesota working for her constituency? What's with the Republican side show of late anyway. They seem to be everywhere and anywhere saying stupid shit like this on a regular basis.

25 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:34:36am

re: #18 ralphieboy

The Bush brothers used to hang out on the family Yacht with Saudi Benazir, but that was not brown-nosing, in fact they probably had white noses by the end of their parties...

So by the same logic as this thread.......you are saying that the President of the United States, George W. Bush was intoxicating himself with cocaine? Equally unclassy in my book.

26 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:35:10am

re: #23 BigPapa

She's out crazy-ing Cynthia McKinney.

Which is a hell of an accomplishment, given how batshit Cynthia McKinney is.

27 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:35:25am

Tsk, tsk. I see that some of the Lizardoid minions are themselves resorting to crude language, a la Bachmann. Remember, folks, profanity and gutter talk are the rhetorical crutch of an inarticulate motherfucker.

(It's worth noting that there is a difference between off-hand remarks here and a public address by a member of Congress, though wingnuts will probably pretend there isn't)

28 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:35:34am

"Bush did it"
"I blame Bush"
preach it brother!
LOL

29 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:35:38am

War on Fertility?

Michelle: Grow-up!

30 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:36:30am

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

Tsk, tsk. I see that some of the Lizardoid minions are themselves resorting to crude language, a la Bachmann. Remember, folks, profanity and gutter talk are the rhetorical crutch of an inarticulate motherfucker.

(It's worth noting that there is a difference between off-hand remarks here and a public address by a member of Congress, though wingnuts will probably pretend there isn't)

their way of speaking to the "common" man.

31 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:37:14am

re: #22 Jeff In Ohio

Bachmann / Fetus Inajar '12

Inajar? That's a Muslim sounding name.

Forgive me, I need to make a ... call.

/

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:37:33am

re: #2 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He should just look at her, and blink. Eventually, even she will get why this is one of the most ridiculous gaffes she's ever made. #steppedinit

No, she won't. That's the tragedy of this crew. They're not intelligent people who get carried away, rather they're locked into their own insane world.

The saying goes, if three people tell you you're drunk, lie down.

The Tea Party version is, if three people tell you you're talking crazy, that's because those three people have been coopted by Socialist Sharia-Compliant Elite Terrorists.

33 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:37:35am

re: #24 Gus 802

So she's flying around on the taxpayers dime shuttling between DC and South Carolina for the weekend when she should be either in DC or Minnesota working for her constituency? What's with the Republican side show of late anyway. They seem to be everywhere and anywhere saying stupid shit like this on a regular basis.

it's called governing....voters love this sort of shit

34 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:37:41am
1. [She] told a South Carolina audience that the tax code was a “weapon of mass destruction."

2. President Obama is “babying” terrorists

3. The rich pay too much in taxes

4. Social issues like marriage and abortion cannot be put on the “back burner."

5. Fox News’ Glenn Beck can solve America’s budget deficit.

She's like the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons. You can understand her, but she still doesn't make any sense.

Maybe someone can convince her to move to Libya, like now.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:38:00am

re: #6 Obdicut

Sharia-compliant sounds like something you'd see on a sticker.

It sounds like a description of a home loan.

36 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:38:29am

re: #26 Lidane

Which is a hell of an accomplishment, given how batshit Cynthia McKinney is.

Oh, they're two peas in a pod for sure. Bachmann should be (T-Derpistan). I'll lobby Charles for the change.

37 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:38:33am

re: #33 albusteve

it's called governing...voters love this sort of shit

It's called campaigning. The GOP isn't governing, they're campaigning.

Yeah, "voters" love this...shit.

38 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:38:55am

re: #24 Gus 802

So she's flying around on the taxpayers dime shuttling between DC and South Carolina for the weekend when she should be either in DC or Minnesota working for her constituency? What's with the Republican side show of late anyway. They seem to be everywhere and anywhere saying stupid shit like this on a regular basis.

And I think she eats pork ribs too.

39 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:39:00am

re: #25 Big Steve

So by the same logic as this thread...you are saying that the President of the United States, George W. Bush was intoxicating himself with cocaine? Equally unclassy in my book.

Actually I don't think there's anything wrong with using the phrase "brown nosing". It's a pretty common phrase. There's a lot more things wrong with Michelle. This is pretty low on outrage list. Saying Glenn Beck can solve our financial problems is a little higher.

40 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:39:03am

re: #13 wrenchwench

This is why nobody should ever trust a fundamentalist who says "I'm about fiscal conservatism":

"War on fertility." Is that a new one?

Magical thinking -- the solution to ALL of America's problems is to totally outlaw abortion.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:39:07am

re: #11 jamesfirecat

Q__st__n_ng th_ Pr_s_d_nt _n _ t_m_ _f w_r _mb_ld_ns __r _n_m__s

Care to buy a vowel?

"You are giving aid and comfort to the couch!"

42 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:39:24am

re: #38 marjoriemoon

And I think she eats pork ribs too.

Shocking!

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:40:00am

re: #16 elizajane

But of course. Because Bush never brown-nosed any elites, anywhere, under any circumstances.
///

It's unheard of behavior for a president.

////

44 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:40:01am

re: #34 marjoriemoon

She's like the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons. You can understand her, but she still doesn't make any sense.

Except that the crazy cat lady on the Simpsons was a lawyer and a doctor who snapped and went nuts from all the stress. Bachmann doesn't even have that excuse. She's just weapons grade crazy.

45 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:40:08am

re: #40 Charles

Magical thinking -- the solution to ALL of America's problems is to totally outlaw abortion women's reproductive choices.

sorry, had to ftfy.

46 researchok  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:40:30am

re: #40 Charles

Magical thinking -- the solution to ALL of America's problems is to totally outlaw abortion.

Actually, that is really the case.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:40:46am

re: #20 ralphieboy

Sharia compatible and retroactively adaptable to the 7th century AD.

But you need to get a 7th Century Adapter. They're at Best Buy, in the Sharia Compliance aisle.

48 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:40:47am

Reversing Roe v. Wade will lower oil prices and create jobs!

//

49 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:40:50am

re: #25 Big Steve

So by the same logic as this thread...you are saying that the President of the United States, George W. Bush was intoxicating himself with cocaine? Equally unclassy in my book.

It was funny because it's true!

Please, saying Bush snorted coke is nothing and not anywhere near as offensive as what this bitch does on a daily basis.

And yea, I said THE B WORD.

50 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:41:16am

re: #40 Charles

Magical thinking -- the solution to ALL of America's problems is to totally outlaw abortion women's reproductive choices. .

ARGHHHHHHHH!

51 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:41:39am

re: #24 Gus 802

So she's flying around on the taxpayers dime shuttling between DC and South Carolina for the weekend when she should be either in DC or Minnesota working for her constituency? What's with the Republican side show of late anyway. They seem to be everywhere and anywhere saying stupid shit like this on a regular basis.

Maybe she wants to be in the south for all the Civil War sesquicentennial events, though she missed the secession ball and the Davis swearing in re-enactment.

52 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:42:55am

re: #40 Charles

Magical thinking -- the solution to ALL of America's problems is to totally outlaw abortion.

It's symbolic of our struggle against reality..../

53 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:43:35am

re: #44 Lidane

Except that the crazy cat lady on the Simpsons was a lawyer and a doctor who snapped and went nuts from all the stress. Bachmann doesn't even have that excuse. She's just weapons grade crazy.

You, my dear, have a much better memory for Simpsons trivia than I. I pay homage to you.

54 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:45:41am

re: #44 Lidane

Except that the crazy cat lady on the Simpsons was a lawyer and a doctor who snapped and went nuts from all the stress. Bachmann doesn't even have that excuse. She's just weapons grade crazy.

Yes Michelle only has a J.D. and a Masters of Law.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:46:12am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

I just hope that Bachmann's constituents get tired of her making an ass out of herself and vote her out.

There seems to be something about Minnesota. Bachmann, Al Franken, Jesse Ventura--they like big, colorful characters.

56 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:46:54am

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

There seems to be something about Minnesota. Bachmann, Al Franken, Jesse Ventura--they like big, colorful characters.

Shame of the three Al Franken is the only one who actually brings the facts to back up his flamboyant actions...

57 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:47:01am

re: #54 Petero1818

Yes Michelle only has a J.D. and a Masters of Law.

From Oral Roberts.

58 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:47:10am

politicians are like Gong Show contestants...it's disgusting

59 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:47:10am

You know, I felt like I was in a war with my fertility, until it finally surrendered. I am thrilled by the new arsenal women have at their disposal, not just to control fertility, but to have fewer periods.

If the weapons available to combat pregnancy are banned, more women will resort to sterilization, and fertility in the US will decline.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:47:21am

re: #23 BigPapa

She's out crazy-ing Cynthia McKinney.

Not until she accuses the administration of killing 5,000 prisoners and dumping their bodies into a swamp.

But she and Cynthia do have a lot in common, I think.

61 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:47:44am

re: #13 wrenchwench

This is why nobody should ever trust a fundamentalist who says "I'm about fiscal conservatism":

"War on fertility." Is that a new one?

Oops. She just confirmed what a lot of us have suspected...it has nothing to do with saving fetuses and everything to do with controlling women.

62 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:47:48am

An update on Egypt, via BBC News:

#
1842: Egypt's cabinet reshuffle has not been universally praised by opposition element. There were 11 new ministers announced, but Mubarak loyalists remained in several key ministries. The Muslim Brotherhood said Mubarak's "cronies" were still in charge.

And:

#
1844: Egyptian youth groups are also unimpressed with the reshuffle. Mohammed Abbas, a member of the Egypt Youth Coalition, says another mass protest is planned for Friday: "We have to keep the pressure until all our demands are met."
63 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:47:55am

re: #26 Lidane

Which is a hell of an accomplishment, given how batshit Cynthia McKinney is.

Also, Bachmann has never attacked the security guy at the Capitol Building, to the best of my knowledge.

64 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:48:39am

re: #53 marjoriemoon

Sorry it took me so long to write a response in the last thread. Here it is again:

I tend to be very liberal when it comes more issues than not. I generally believe we should become more Scandinavian in governmental practices, and have a larger social safety, and raise taxes so we do not have to borrow as much. The countries I want us to emulate the most, Sweden and Finland, have very low debt loads.

However, I do see the military as being a reasonable tool to stop these sorts of actions. Our wars in Bosnia and Kosovo are some the moments I'm most proud of in our history. So, right now, I come off as a war-monger, and I'll admit it.

65 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:48:53am

re: #54 Petero1818

Yes Michelle only has a J.D. and a Masters of Law.

Really? Was she admitted to any bar?

66 Winny Spencer  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:49:28am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Not until she accuses the administration of killing 5,000 prisoners and dumping their bodies into a swamp.

But she and Cynthia do have a lot in common, I think.

Yeah, Michelle is crazy but Cynthia is on another level.

67 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:49:32am

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

No, she's just assaulted our intelligence.

68 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:49:37am

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

There seems to be something about Minnesota. Bachmann, Al Franken, Jesse Ventura--they like big, colorful characters.

Except Al Franken actual has an awesome brain.

69 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:51:01am

re: #59 wrenchwench

You know, I felt like I was in a war with my fertility, until it finally surrendered. I am thrilled by the new arsenal women have at their disposal, not just to control fertility, but to have fewer periods.

If the weapons available to combat pregnancy are banned, more women will resort to sterilization, and fertility in the US will decline.

With all these modern armaments and insights, why is it you l still leave the seat down?

70 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:51:09am

re: #66 Winny Spencer

Yeah, Michelle is crazy but Cynthia is on another level.

I wouldn't say that. Michelle is as far right as Cynthia was far left. Pretty much equal in their loony-tune-ness.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:51:10am

re: #34 marjoriemoon

She's like the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons. You can understand her, but she still doesn't make any sense.

Maybe someone can convince her to move to Libya, like now.

What the hell did Libya ever do to you?

//OK, the list is long, but that was mostly Ghadaffi's fault. The Libyan on the street didn't have much say.

One of my parents' oldest friends is from Libya. They left after 67, when things got very bad for Jews there. She must be beside herself right now.

72 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:51:19am

re: #65 marjoriemoon

Really? Was she admitted to any bar?

Well as far as I understand she was a federal tax lawyer. So she must have had some bar credentials.

73 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:51:53am

re: #23 BigPapa

She's out crazy-ing Cynthia McKinney.

Now let's see if her constituents are smart enough to get rid of her like McKinney's were. Somehow I doubt it. All of this crazy talk seems to be IOKIYAR. There really does seem to be a difference in how the two parties treat their crazies.

74 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:52:16am

re: #72 Petero1818

Well as far as I understand she was a federal tax lawyer. So she must have had some bar credentials.

my bar cred is impeccable

75 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:52:27am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Not until she accuses the administration of killing 5,000 prisoners and dumping their bodies into a swamp.

But she and Cynthia do have a lot in common, I think.

It's only a matter of time SFZ. Don't dare her!

76 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:53:12am

re: #72 Petero1818

Orly Taitz is also an attorney.

77 Simply Sarah  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:54:19am

re: #76 Obdicut

Orly Taitz is also an attorney.

And don't forget almost the entire Phelps clan.

78 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:54:20am

re: #76 Obdicut

Orly Taitz is also an attorney.

And a dentist, and a real estate agent.

79 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:55:19am

Bachmann may be college educated but she's still quite ignorant. I still remember my first exposure to her when she tried to blame a tariff signed by Hoover and sponsored by two Republicans on FDR, she got the name wrong and everything. The difference between her and McKinney is McKinney was regarded as a nut in the Dem caucus while Michelle is rewarded with a seat on the intelligence committee.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:55:22am

re: #48 Gus 802

Reversing Roe v. Wade will lower oil prices and create jobs!

//

The tragedy is that a local Planned Parenthood person said in an interview a year or two ago that they saw a spike in abortions with the economy. Women with two kids realize that they can't have three with their husband out of work.

Fix the freaking economy, and people will have more kids. Historically, works every time. Lowest the US birthrate ever got was 1933. Any guesses why? Hint, it had nothing to do with the liberal media or the sexual revolution.

81 iossarian  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:55:35am

What do you call a lawyer buried in sand up to his neck?

(Apologies to legal lizards.)

82 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:55:46am

re: #72 Petero1818

Well as far as I understand she was a federal tax lawyer. So she must have had some bar credentials.

Bachmann was licensed in Minnesota, but is not currently authorized to practice law in Minnesota because her license was "suspended for non-payment of fees."

83 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:56:00am

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

Maybe she wants to be in the south for all the Civil War sesquicentennial events, though she missed the secession ball and the Davis swearing in re-enactment.

Well, it was at an event sponsored by the South Carolina Federation of Republican Women which is part of the National Federation of Republican Women. And lookie here:

SC Republicans Play Confederate Dress-Up, Complete with Slaves

At the annual Board of Directors meeting of the National Federation of Republican Women (NFRW) in Charleston, South Carolina, one of the sponsored events this year was titled “The Southern Experience:” How Republicans Party.

Here’s a photo of South Carolina Senate President Glenn McConnell, dressed up as a Confederate General and posing with two African Americans in slave costumes.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:56:01am

re: #54 Petero1818

Yes Michelle only has a J.D. and a Masters of Law.

Point taken.

She's educated and insane.

85 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:57:10am

re: #76 Obdicut

Orly Taitz is also an attorney.

I am making no assumptions as to what her status as an attorney means. Trust me. I have a law degree, and was a member of the bar when I practiced here in Ontario (albeit briefly), trust me when I say there were many who passed that exam with me who were barely capable of coherent thoughts.

As I understand it the Minnesota Bar has the third highest pass rate of any bar in the country. Only 11% ever fail it. I would venture to say your average first year university student could pass the Minnesota bar given 4 months to study the relevant materials.

86 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:57:17am

re: #70 marjoriemoon

I hope I didn't bother you by putting the response on this thread too.

87 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:57:19am

re: #64 ProLifeLiberal

Sorry it took me so long to write a response in the last thread. Here it is again:

Not just on war, but on most things, including "prolife". Maybe it isn't kind to say, but I don't buy your schtick. That probably doesn't concern you one iota, but I just don't.

88 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:57:44am

I wish I was in de land ob cotton,
Old times dar am not forgotten;
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land whar I was born in,
Early on one frosty mornin,
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land...

/

89 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:58:01am

re: #72 Petero1818

Well as far as I understand she was a federal tax lawyer. So she must have had some bar credentials.

If she practiced, than yes, but she can have the J.D. and not practice, so I was curious.

90 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:58:04am

re: #54 Petero1818

Yes Michelle only has a J.D. and a Masters of Law.

"Hey what's the matter with you, didn't you ever go to college stupid?"

"Yeah, but I came out the same way!"

91 Ming  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:58:05am

Any Tea Party person who honestly values SMALL GOVERNMENT should ask themselves how much the "social issues" will COST, in terms of government spending and size. Can you imagine how many bureaucrats would be required to police every pregnancy, investigate every miscarriage, promote heterosexuality, and so on and so on? I'm afraid that many Democrats do want big government, but SO DO MANY REPUBLICANS. It seems that compared to a massive Christian theocracy, the best hope (for now) to avoid "big government" is to support the Democrats and Obama. If that sounds incredible, just ask yourself, HOW MUCH WOULD MICHELLE BACHMANN'S SOCIAL POLICIES ACTUALLY COST?

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:58:13am

re: #78 BigPapa

And a dentist, and a real estate agent.

And a floor wax, and a dessert topping.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:58:42am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

The difference between her and McKinney is McKinney was regarded as a nut in the Dem caucus while Michelle is rewarded with a seat on the intelligence committee.

I think they just want to keep an eye on her.

94 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:58:57am

re: #88 Gus 802

I wish I was in de land ob cotton,
Old times dar am not forgotten;
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land whar I was born in,
Early on one frosty mornin,
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land...

/

Old times they are not forgotten....
Whoopin slaves and selling cotton...
And waiting for the Robert E Lee...
It was never there on time....

I prefer Tom Lehrer's version...

95 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:59:26am

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they just want to keep an eye on her.

I would hope so. Just seems risky to me to put a loon like her on a very important committee.

96 Winny Spencer  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 10:59:53am

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

And a floor wax, and a dessert topping.

But no birth certificate.

97 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:00:20am

re: #91 Ming

Any Tea Party person who honestly values SMALL GOVERNMENT should ask themselves how much the "social issues" will COST, in terms of government spending and size. Can you imagine how many bureaucrats would be required to police every pregnancy, investigate every miscarriage, promote heterosexuality, and so on and so on? I'm afraid that many Democrats do want big government, but SO DO MANY REPUBLICANS. It seems that compared to a massive Christian theocracy, the best hope (for now) to avoid "big government" is to support the Democrats and Obama. If that sounds incredible, just ask yourself, HOW MUCH WOULD MICHELLE BACHMANN'S SOCIAL POLICIES ACTUALLY COST?

A Ministry of Virtue and Vice?

98 Four More Tears  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:00:29am

Sarah's Sock-puppetry?

Is This Sarah Palin’s Secret Facebook Page?

The geniuses at Wonkette have been reading the leaked memoir from one of Palin's former aides, and discovered a mistakenly unredacted private e-mail for Palin in the manuscript. They plugged the e-mail address into the Facebook machine, which awesomely associates Facebook accounts with e-mail addresses even when the addresses aren't public on the page, and—presto chango!—up comes a page for a "Lou Sarah" who is friends with a bunch of Wasilla folk and has an unhealthy obsession with Bristol Palin.

99 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:01:07am

re: #85 Petero1818

I am making no assumptions as to what her status as an attorney means. Trust me. I have a law degree, and was a member of the bar when I practiced here in Ontario (albeit briefly), trust me when I say there were many who passed that exam with me who were barely capable of coherent thoughts.

As I understand it the Minnesota Bar has the third highest pass rate of any bar in the country. Only 11% ever fail it. I would venture to say your average first year university student could pass the Minnesota bar given 4 months to study the relevant materials.

This phenomenon is something I repeatedly deal with. Some movers and shakers of business, millionaires (and a few billionaires), doctors, lawyers.... have acted pretty stupid and short sighted.

For me it's the difference between being smart and being wise.

100 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:01:29am

re: #82 Sionainn

Bachmann was licensed in Minnesota, but is not currently authorized to practice law in Minnesota because her license was "suspended for non-payment of fees."

Yeah, that is a funny quirk in many bars as far as I can tell. There is in many of them no formal designation for a member of the bar that ceases to be a paying member. When I stopped practicing to pursue a different career my name was published in the Ontario Reports (sent to all lawyers in Ontario) under the heading "suspended". It doesn't say why, you have to call up to find out why. So people suspended merely because they cease to pay dues any longer are listed basically along side people who embezzled clients trust money. Amazing that they can't figure out a better system. By the way, do not read anything in this as supportive of that complete whack job Michelle.

101 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:01:33am

re: #83 Gus 802

Well, it was at an event sponsored by the South Carolina Federation of Republican Women which is part of the National Federation of Republican Women. And lookie here:

SC Republicans Play Confederate Dress-Up, Complete with Slaves

This article says it was sponsored by the SCFRW.

Senator Glenn McConnell poses with Gullah Geechee re-enactors Frank and Sharon Murray during “A Southern Experience,” an event hosted in Charleston by the South Carolina Federation of Republican Women, for female political activists from across the country.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:02:59am

re: #83 Gus 802

Well, it was at an event sponsored by the South Carolina Federation of Republican Women which is part of the National Federation of Republican Women. And lookie here:

SC Republicans Play Confederate Dress-Up, Complete with Slaves

What exactly do 'slave costumes' look like? And may I offer my counter-fantasy, courtesy of Dave Chappelle?

(The relevent bit starts around 1.40.)

"Nice whip. This here is a pistol. Reach for the sky, honky!"

103 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:02:59am

re: #87 marjoriemoon

I assure you that aside from being Pro Life and wanting to use our military in these situations, I'm largely a Liberal. I have a very single track mind, which means that Libya is my big focus now. I will work to prove this isn't a schtick. I try to be thoughtful on my politics.

104 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:03:59am

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

And a floor wax, and a dessert topping.

And and immense reservoir of LGF amusement! Hah!

105 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:04:17am

re: #101 Gus 802

This article says it was sponsored by the SCFRW.

You know, I cringe when I see an African-American in "traditional" dress at Williamsburg, but I realize they are involved in an historical re-enactment with educational and cultural purposes. It's a beyond a serious hobby for most of the "staff" at Williamsburg. They are quite serious about what they do.

The above referenced "ball" is beyond insane to me.

106 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:05:19am

re: #82 Sionainn

Bachmann was licensed in Minnesota, but is not currently authorized to practice law in Minnesota because her license was "suspended for non-payment of fees."

Here in Florida if you let your Continuing Legal Education expire, they will suspend you so maybe it's something similar.

Of course, it's always better to keep the license (one would think) after you spent so much time and money on it.

107 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:05:43am

Bachmann, in fact, took special pains not to step on any Southern toes, prefacing a complimentary remark about Abraham Lincoln, the Civil War Republican president, with, "I know I'm taking a risk in South Carolina."

Source

108 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:06:23am

Quack

109 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:07:15am

re: #30 ggt

their way of speaking to the "common" man.

I often wish the 'common man' wasn't quite so common.

110 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:07:21am

re: #107 Gus 802

Bachmann, in fact, took special pains not to step on any Southern toes, prefacing a complimentary remark about Abraham Lincoln, the Civil War Republican president, with, "I know I'm taking a risk in South Carolina."

Source

People in south Carolina still can't get over the fact that secession was a ad idea... hilarious!

I mean she was gently poking fun a negative southern stereotype, please tell that was what she was doing...

even if you have to lie...

111 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:07:48am

re: #98 JasonA

Sarah's Sock-puppetry?

Is This Sarah Palin’s Secret Facebook Page?

LOL Seriously, this woman needs a job. She has entirely too much time on her hands.

112 Girth  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:08:16am

Megyn Kelly has just got to burn out sometime. Seriously. Her show is the daily Two Hours Hate. Every story, every facial expression, every vocal inflection is OUTRAGE!

That would torture my soul to do that five times a week.

113 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:08:18am

re: #107 Gus 802

Bachmann, in fact, took special pains not to step on any Southern toes, prefacing a complimentary remark about Abraham Lincoln, the Civil War Republican president, with, "I know I'm taking a risk in South Carolina front of all you wingnuts my people."

Source

Fixed it twice.

114 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:08:21am

re: #106 marjoriemoon

Here in Florida if you let your Continuing Legal Education expire, they will suspend you so maybe it's something similar.

Of course, it's always better to keep the license (one would think) after you spent so much time and money on it.

At least in Canada, there is absolutely no reason to keep one's membership unless you intend to practice law. None. All it would be is paying annual dues into an organization that sends you mail that is likely of no interest to you. I do however know some that continue to pay so that they receive the Ontario REports which basically is a monthly summary of important court cases.

115 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:08:33am

re: #106 marjoriemoon

Here in Florida if you let your Continuing Legal Education expire, they will suspend you so maybe it's something similar.

Of course, it's always better to keep the license (one would think) after you spent so much time and money on it.

I still have my teaching license and will keep it current even though I have no plans to ever return to the classroom. Things can change and I like to keep my options open.

116 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:08:45am

re: #108 Gus 802

Quack

AFLAC!

117 Girth  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:09:22am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

LOL Seriously, this woman needs a job. She has entirely too much time on her hands.

I'm not paying that woman to do anything.

118 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:09:42am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

LOL Seriously, this woman needs a job. She has entirely too much time on her hands.

I think there are a lot of seedy people hanging around making a lot of money off of her and she is eating it up.

Blinded by stardom.

119 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:10:42am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Not until she accuses the administration of killing 5,000 prisoners and dumping their bodies into a swamp.

But she and Cynthia do have a lot in common, I think.

As I noted at the time, that particular claim by Cynbat the Sailor bore some striking similarities to events described in Harry Turtledove's alternate history, American Empire: The Victorious Opposition. This is part of the lengthy (11 volume) Timeline 191 series, in which the Confederacy wins the Civil War and survives into the 1940s.

The similarities are that the murders are politically motivated, they are committed by the national government (the Confederacy in Turtledove's case), the victims are black, the number of victims is around 5000 initially, the bodies are dumped in a swamp northwest of New Orleans, the murder instruments are guns rather than, say, gas or explosives, and the massacre quickly becomes the subject of rumors among the black population of New Orleans. The major difference of course is that the Turtledove event in openly fictitious and it occurs in the year 1938.

120 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:11:03am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

LOL Seriously, this woman needs a job. She has entirely too much time on her hands.

Even if the people of her state banded together to try and give her a job in some way, she'd probably just end up quitting it...

121 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:11:48am

Anybody in Indiana? McDaniels already decertified public unions there last year and he's now trying to get rid of private sector unions.

122 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:12:43am

re: #54 Petero1818

I'm not denying her education. I'm saying the crazy cat lady from The Simpsons had the excuse of the stress of practicing both law and medicine at the same time for her snapping and going insane. Bachmann doesn't have that at all. She's just crazy.

123 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:12:54am

re: #121 recusancy

Anybody in Indiana? McDaniels already decertified public unions there last year and he's now trying to get rid of private sector unions.

Well then it should be interesting to see how many of our rightward leaning posters who have made claims concerning how much they support private sector unions even if they don't like public sector ones show up to decry/refudiate his actions....

124 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:13:01am

re: #121 recusancy

Anybody in Indiana? McDaniels already decertified public unions there last year and he's now trying to get rid of private sector unions.

*Mitch Daniels not McDaniels

125 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:13:34am

re: #123 jamesfirecat

Well then it should be interesting to see how many of our rightward leaning posters who have made claims concerning how much they support private sector unions even if they don't like public sector ones show up to decry/refudiate his actions...

lol

126 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:13:42am

re: #103 ProLifeLiberal

I assure you that aside from being Pro Life and wanting to use our military in these situations, I'm largely a Liberal. I have a very single track mind, which means that Libya is my big focus now. I will work to prove this isn't a schtick. I try to be thoughtful on my politics.

Once bitten, twice shy, as they say. You have nothing to prove to me. I just don't believe you or your nic.

C'est la vie.

127 Girth  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:13:49am

Awwww yeah....just got my copy of Watchmen: The Ultimate Cut, a full hour longer than the theatrical release including animated Tales of the Black Freighter woven into the story just like the graphic novel.

Sweet.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:13:51am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

LOL Seriously, this woman needs a job. She has entirely too much time on her hands.

"It's impossible for the youth to follow anyone else. If not Qaddafi, who else would they follow? Somebody with a beard?"

129 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:14:07am

re: #124 recusancy

*Mitch Daniels not McDaniels

You mean there aren't a bunch of Daniels out there, quickly and cheaply produced to a standard that can be replicated all over the world?

130 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:15:06am

re: #129 ggt

You mean there aren't a bunch of Daniels out there, quickly and cheaply produced to a standard that can be replicated all over the world?

Well Walker in Wisconsin and Kasich in Ohio are trying to open franchises.

131 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:15:12am

re: #127 Girth

Awww yeah...just got my copy of Watchmen: The Ultimate Cut, a full hour longer than the theatrical release including animated Tales of the Black Freighter woven into the story just like the graphic novel.

Sweet.

Let me guess, you just finished watching it 35 minutes ago?

132 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:15:14am

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

"It's impossible for the youth to follow anyone else. If not Qaddafi, who else would they follow? Somebody with a beard?"

Let's see Sarah . . .in your world they would follow a Jew with a beard that's been dead for 2000 years . . . no?

133 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:15:18am

re: #91 Ming

Any Tea Party person who honestly values SMALL GOVERNMENT should ask themselves how much the "social issues" will COST, in terms of government spending and size. Can you imagine how many bureaucrats would be required to police every pregnancy, investigate every miscarriage, promote heterosexuality, and so on and so on? I'm afraid that many Democrats do want big government, but SO DO MANY REPUBLICANS. It seems that compared to a massive Christian theocracy, the best hope (for now) to avoid "big government" is to support the Democrats and Obama. If that sounds incredible, just ask yourself, HOW MUCH WOULD MICHELLE BACHMANN'S SOCIAL POLICIES ACTUALLY COST?

I used to think that the socons and the fiscalcons were in opposition to each other, but I'm beginning o see how they aren't. The social issues actually are a big part of how they will achieve their goals for the corporations they work for. These people work on behalf of corporations and wealthy people that want serfs, not workers. Serfs have no control of their lives, including reproduction. If you can't control how many children you have, you can't control much of anything, especially your financial situation. Also, these children won't cost anything if you completely dismantle the social safety net that currently supports them, which is something else they want to do. The more I think about it, the more these seemingly divergent positions of socons make since. People who can't control their personal lives, can't control their financial lives either. Both are crucial in taking us back to the pre-New Deal Era, which is the ultimate goal of the modern conservative movement.

Sorry if I'm rambling, but that's what happens when I get on a new train of thought.

134 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:15:30am

re: #121 recusancy

Wait, how did that get past the radar? I would expect protests or something.

Why does it seem that the Republicans are trying to take us back to the Gilded Age? They just keep chipping away at what made the US such a good place to live in in the first place.

135 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:16:35am

re: #133 moderatelyradicalliberal

I used to think that the socons and the fiscalcons were in opposition to each other, but I'm beginning o see how they aren't. The social issues actually are a big part of how they will achieve their goals for the corporations they work for. These people work on behalf of corporations and wealthy people that want serfs, not workers. Serfs have no control of their lives, including reproduction. If you can't control how many children you have, you can't control much of anything, especially your financial situation. Also, these children won't cost anything if you completely dismantle the social safety net that currently supports them, which is something else they want to do. The more I think about it, the more these seemingly divergent positions of socons make since. People who can't control their personal lives, can't control their financial lives either. Both are crucial in taking us back to the pre-New Deal Era, which is the ultimate goal of the modern conservative movement.

Sorry if I'm rambling, but that's what happens when I get on a new train of thought.

It's an attempt to control the demographics of the country. Can't have the brown non-christians outnumbering the white christians . . ..

136 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:16:44am

re: #122 Lidane

I'm not denying her education. I'm saying the crazy cat lady from The Simpsons had the excuse of the stress of practicing both law and medicine at the same time for her snapping and going insane. Bachmann doesn't have that at all. She's just crazy.

I take no issue with that. I think she has been crazy all along. Though I do think it must be pretty stressful to be the voice of what is essentially a community of morons.

137 blueraven  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:16:54am

re: #37 Gus 802

It's called campaigning demagoguery. The GOP isn't governing, they're campaigning.

Yeah, "voters" love this...shit.

FIFY

138 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:17:02am

re: #114 Petero1818

At least in Canada, there is absolutely no reason to keep one's membership unless you intend to practice law. None. All it would be is paying annual dues into an organization that sends you mail that is likely of no interest to you. I do however know some that continue to pay so that they receive the Ontario REports which basically is a monthly summary of important court cases.

Each State has their own rules about keeping your license, but I believe all require CLE (education credits). Doctors have a similar thing.

It makes no sense to me to struggle through school and pay astronomical fees just to let your license slide, but that's me.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:17:09am

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

As I noted at the time, that particular claim by Cynbat the Sailor bore some striking similarities to events described in Harry Turtledove's alternate history, American Empire: The Victorious Opposition. This is part of the lengthy (11 volume) Timeline 191 series, in which the Confederacy wins the Civil War and survives into the 1940s.

The similarities are that the murders are politically motivated, they are committed by the national government (the Confederacy in Turtledove's case), the victims are black, the number of victims is around 5000 initially, the bodies are dumped in a swamp northwest of New Orleans, the murder instruments are guns rather than, say, gas or explosives, and the massacre quickly becomes the subject of rumors among the black population of New Orleans. The major difference of course is that the Turtledove event in openly fictitious and it occurs in the year 1938.

Interesting!

140 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:17:15am

re: #136 Petero1818

I take no issue with that. I think she has been crazy all along. Though I do think it must be pretty stressful to be the voice of what is essentially a community of morons.

She is a naive & useful tool.

141 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:18:02am

re: #134 ProLifeLiberal

Wait, how did that get past the radar? I would expect protests or something.

Why does it seem that the Republicans are trying to take us back to the Gilded Age? They just keep chipping away at what made the US such a good place to live in in the first place.

There are protests going on right now. The dems left the state like they did in WI. [Link: twitter.com...]

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:18:40am

re: #132 ggt

Let's see Sarah . . .in your world they would follow a Jew with a beard that's been dead for 2000 years . . . no?

That was actually Ghadaffi saying that--I clicked to the wrong page on Gawker.

I apologize for the confusion.

143 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:18:41am

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

As I noted at the time, that particular claim by Cynbat the Sailor bore some striking similarities to events described in Harry Turtledove's alternate history, American Empire: The Victorious Opposition. This is part of the lengthy (11 volume) Timeline 191 series, in which the Confederacy wins the Civil War and survives into the 1940s.

The similarities are that the murders are politically motivated, they are committed by the national government (the Confederacy in Turtledove's case), the victims are black, the number of victims is around 5000 initially, the bodies are dumped in a swamp northwest of New Orleans, the murder instruments are guns rather than, say, gas or explosives, and the massacre quickly becomes the subject of rumors among the black population of New Orleans. The major difference of course is that the Turtledove event in openly fictitious and it occurs in the year 1938.

I tried reading Harry Turtledove. Couldn't get into it. Can't remember why --either too many christian references or too much of a guy novel. I usually like guy novels.

144 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:18:42am

re: #46 researchok

Forced childbirth by the government is every bit as abhorrent as forced abortion by the government.

145 jaunte  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:19:21am

Bachmann's thinking is a real kludgefest.

We don’t need (open with 'do not want' phrase)
political correctness (cliche brick, freighted with negatives)
because (connector piece)
most fundamentally I believe (look how sincere I am)
the building block of the family (cliche brick freighted with positives)
is what the government needs to do right now (there oughta be a law)
and support two-parent families (you know what I'm sayin')
as the foundation of our economic and social policy (dollars and cents rationale for prejudice)

146 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:19:31am
147 Girth  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:19:50am

re: #131 jamesfirecat

Let me guess, you just finished watching it 35 minutes ago?

Nah I'm gonna watch it later tonight with a ginormous bowl of popcorn, perhaps a microbrew or three.

148 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:19:50am

re: #122 Lidane

I'm not denying her education. I'm saying the crazy cat lady from The Simpsons had the excuse of the stress of practicing both law and medicine at the same time for her snapping and going insane. Bachmann doesn't have that at all. She's just crazy.

But you know, it's kinda fun to picture Bachman in her bathrobe swinging a pile of cats above her head and screaming gibberish.

149 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:20:10am

re: #141 recusancy

I haven't seen that on the news. I'm assuming they also took a road trip to Illinois?

150 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:20:19am

Iran 'Condemns Clampdown on Pro-Democracy Protesters' ... in Libya

Can someone please smack me on the back? I seem to be choking on a big fat wad of hypocrisy.

151 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:21:02am

re: #150 CuriousLurker

Do as I say, not as I do?

152 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:21:15am

re: #149 ProLifeLiberal

I haven't seen that on the news. I'm assuming they also took a road trip to Illinois?

Yep.

153 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:21:32am

re: #150 CuriousLurker

Iran 'Condemns Clampdown on Pro-Democracy Protesters' ... in Libya

Can someone please smack me on the back? I seem to be choking on a big fat wad of hypocrisy.

or Some Animals are More equal than others?

154 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:21:42am

re: #91 Ming

Any Tea Party person who honestly values SMALL GOVERNMENT should ask themselves how much the "social issues" will COST, in terms of government spending and size.

Pfft. As if that matters to the True Believers. As long as they get their tax breaks and the gubmint's hands off their Medicare, what does it matter? All those "social issue" rules will target brown people, women, the poor, and gays anyway.

///

155 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:22:34am

re: #122 Lidane

Just because one is in college does not mean they have critical thinking skills or the ability to think independently. I knew a Chemical Engineering major who was an Young Earth Creationist. She would try to push that tripe on me. Didn't work.

156 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:22:43am

re: #154 Lidane

Pfft. As if that matters to the True Believers. As long as they get their tax breaks and the gubmint's hands off their Medicare, what does it matter? All those "social issue" rules will target brown people, women, the poor, and gays anyway.

///

They will target the same people they always target, those without money or power.

I think that in our Brave New World, the Whacko hard-right's might be suprised at who those people turn out to be.

157 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:23:01am

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

As I noted at the time, that particular claim by Cynbat the Sailor bore some striking similarities to events described in Harry Turtledove's alternate history, American Empire: The Victorious Opposition. This is part of the lengthy (11 volume) Timeline 191 series, in which the Confederacy wins the Civil War and survives into the 1940s.

The similarities are that the murders are politically motivated, they are committed by the national government (the Confederacy in Turtledove's case), the victims are black, the number of victims is around 5000 initially, the bodies are dumped in a swamp northwest of New Orleans, the murder instruments are guns rather than, say, gas or explosives, and the massacre quickly becomes the subject of rumors among the black population of New Orleans. The major difference of course is that the Turtledove event in openly fictitious and it occurs in the year 1938.

If I was writing an alternate history I'd have the Confederacy fail within twenty years even if it had won the war. Or fought to a stalemate. Simply put, it was founded on the principle "If I don't wanna, I don't have ta."

The first time that say, Georgia and Alabama had a difference of opinion and the Confederacy made a decision one of the states, maybe both would have said, "Fuck you," and struck off on their own. It's unlikely the other States would have gone to war to bring them back.

I figure within twenty years the South would have been as fragmented as Germany was during the Thirty Years War. Maybe the rest of the US as well.

158 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:23:07am

re: #151 ggt

Do as I say, not as I do?

Apparently. Any time I think of the Iranian government all I can see in my mind's eye is Neda drowning in her own blood as she died in the street. Who do these asshole think they're kidding?

159 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:23:48am

re: #158 CuriousLurker

Apparently. Any time I think of the Iranian government all I can see in my mind's eye is Neda drowning in her own blood as she died in the street. Who do these asshole think they're kidding?

themselves.

160 darthstar  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:24:11am

Fuck you, Bachmann.

161 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:25:03am

re: #156 ggt

They will target the same people they always target, those without money or power.

I think that in our Brave New World, the Whacko hard-right's might be surprised at who those people turn out to be.

It's like I said the other day-- if you make under $200k and vote Republican, you're voting against your own interests every single time. You're just a useful idiot and a rube to the RNC, whether you're Tea Party or not.

162 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:25:30am

re: #138 marjoriemoon


It makes no sense to me to struggle through school and pay astronomical fees just to let your license slide, but that's me.

Paying fees serves no purpose if you are not practicing law. The fact that I no longer pay fees in no way whatsoever erases my law degree, or even the fact that I was once a member of the bar. All it does is mean that I cannot currently practice law in Ontario. Knowing that I do not want to do that, there is no reason to maintain it. Now it may be that the fact that my law school tuition was $4000 a year rather than the $40,000 per year that some in the US pay may be relevant, but if you do not want to practice law, there is no benefit to it. No different than paying to be a member of a golf club when you don't golf.

163 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:26:04am

re: #158 CuriousLurker

Apparently. Any time I think of the Iranian government all I can see in my mind's eye is Neda drowning in her own blood as she died in the street. Who do these asshole think they're kidding?

Actually, I think it is a case of "Well, there is us and there is everyone else."

Everyone else doesn't really count. They can use whateaver whacked science or theology or ideology to prove it.

This isn't reserved for just the Iranian gubernet.

164 darthstar  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:26:11am

It's time to ask John Boehner if he agrees with his Tea Party Caucus Leader when she says the president is "callow". Of course, he'll couch his response in some kind of chicken-shit "If the president says he's not a brown-noser, I'll take him at his word." response.

165 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:26:20am

re: #161 Lidane

It's like I said the other day-- if you make under $200k and vote Republican, you're voting against your own interests every single time. You're just a useful idiot and a rube to the RNC, whether you're Tea Party or not.

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166 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:26:51am

re: #161 Lidane

It's like I said the other day-- if you make under $200k and vote Republican, you're voting against your own interests every single time. You're just a useful idiot and a rube to the RNC, whether you're Tea Party or not.

I'm of that opinion about both parties at this point.

167 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:27:38am

OT:
Khadafi just got himself fatwa'd by influential Muslim Brotherhood cleric.

Influential Muslim cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi has issued a fatwa that any Libyan soldier who can shoot dead embattled leader Muammar Gaddafi should do so 'to rid Libya of him.'

'Whoever in the Libyan army is able to shoot a bullet at Mr Gaddafi should do so,' Qaradawi, an Egyptian-born cleric who is usually based in Qatar, told Al-Jazeera television.

He also told Libyan soldiers 'not to obey orders to strike at your own people,' and urged Libyan ambassadors around the world to dissociate themselves from Gaddafi's regime.

Famous in the Middle East for his at times controversial fatwas, or religious edicts, the octogenarian Qaradawi has celebrity status in the Arab world thanks to his religious broadcasts on Al-Jazeera.

168 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:28:31am

re: #161 Lidane

It's like I said the other day-- if you make under $200k and vote Republican, you're voting against your own interests every single time. You're just a useful idiot and a rube to the RNC, whether you're Tea Party or not.

and $200K means one thing in Chicago and another in back-woods Arkansas.

It's hard to put a dollar value on it.

169 Simply Sarah  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:29:49am

re: #167 lawhawk

Well, you know what they say about broken clocks...

170 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:30:03am

re: #166 ggt

The only reason I vote at all these days, especially here in deep red Texas, is just to lodge my protest to the insanity that's going on. Being a Democrat in Texas is like being a vegan working in a meat packing plant. It's a fool's errand on the best of days, and a complete capitulation the rest of the time. =P

171 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:30:06am

re: #140 ggt

She is a naive & useful tool.

I totally disagree. I think she saw this as her opportunity to reach for more. She, like Palin, is completely dismissive of her own ignorance. She, like Palin, does not fear the responsibility they are asking people for because they are too stupid to understand the dangers their own ignorance poses. IMHO it is she who is using the Tea Party, not vice versa.

172 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:30:18am

re: #143 ggt

I tried reading Harry Turtledove. Couldn't get into it. Can't remember why --either too many christian references or too much of a guy novel. I usually like guy novels.

There are few if any Christian references in the work, so it must be the guy thing. Turtledove's output is uneven to be sure, with the most common criticism being that he is repetitive and recycles dialog and even whole scenes.
Otoh, his historical extrapolation and character development are remarkable.

One reason I liked Timeline 191 was that a lot of the action occurs in Lubbock, or, more properly, an alternate Lubbock. In the series, Lubbock becomes the capital of the new state of Houston after the US takes part of Texas from the Confederacy in the Great War of 1914-17. It remains so until a plebiscite returns it to the Confederacy in 1941. In the meantime, the city is infested with Confederate agitators and they stage several insurrections. At one point, an alternate General MacArthur uses canister shot from tank guns to disperse a Confederate mob in McKenzie Park. Later the Army Air Corps firebombs downtown Lubbock from its Keystone biplanes to suppress yet another Confederate uprising.
Turtledove was here in 2000 to do research for this. His portrayal of the town in the 20s and 30s is remarkably convincing and accurate but I wonder if someone didn't piss him off while he was here.

173 Sinistershade  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:30:29am

re: #103 ProLifeLiberal

I assure you that aside from being Pro Life and wanting to use our military in these situations, I'm largely a Liberal.

Honestly is there anyone who isn't pro-life? The alternative is being pro-death. Once you get past Charles Manson and Gaddafi, that list dwindles quickly.

174 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:31:53am

re: #103 ProLifeLiberal

I assure you that aside from being Pro Life and wanting to use our military in these situations, I'm largely a Liberal. I have a very single track mind, which means that Libya is my big focus now. I will work to prove this isn't a schtick. I try to be thoughtful on my politics.

I'm don't want to get into a larger discussion but by pro life do you mean abortion should be illegal?

175 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:32:04am

re: #173 Sinistershade

Honestly is there anyone who isn't pro-life? The alternative is being pro-death. Once you get past Charles Manson and Gaddafi, that list dwindles quickly.

pro-Life is a political term coined by some Republican wordsmith to counter the Pro-Choice movement.

Brilliant in a wordsmith sort of way, but entirely meaningless.

176 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:32:06am

re: #173 Sinistershade

Honestly is there anyone who isn't pro-life? The alternative is being pro-death. Once you get past Charles Manson and Gaddafi, that list dwindles quickly.

Yeah, the whole "pro-life" label rings hollow, IMO. Very, very few people are pro-death.

IMO, you're either pro-choice or anti-choice. Either people have the right to make highly personal medical decisions for themselves, or they don't. It's that simple.

177 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:32:47am

re: #175 ggt

pro-Life is a political term coined by some Republican wordsmith to counter the Pro-Choice movement.

Brilliant in a wordsmith sort of way, but entirely meaningless.

Even sadder that we buy into it by using in our discourse . . . .

178 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:33:01am

re: #173 Sinistershade

I should pobably also clarify that I don't agree with idiotic fanatics trying to force raped women to keep a child that don't want. I have the "Rape, Incest, Health of the Mother" Rule.

179 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:33:18am

re: #177 ggt

Even sadder that we buy into it by using in our discourse . . .

Its catchy/

180 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:34:09am

re: #178 ProLifeLiberal

And I know there are other things Republicans are doing, but that one is the one that has stuck the most in my mind.

181 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:34:09am

re: #178 ProLifeLiberal

I should pobably also clarify that I don't agree with idiotic fanatics trying to force raped women to keep a child that don't want. I have the "Rape, Incest, Health of the Mother" Rule.

So in other words, you're actually pro-choice, because you want people to have the choice of an abortion if they're raped, or the victim of incest, or if their health is threatened by a pregnancy.

182 Sinistershade  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:35:18am

re: #175 ggt

pro-Life is a political term coined by some Republican wordsmith to counter the Pro-Choice movement.

Brilliant in a wordsmith sort of way, but entirely meaningless.

Oh, I know. But as a writer myself, the circumlocution still makes me giggle.

183 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:37:32am

re: #181 Lidane

So the meaning of being Pro-Life has changed since I was younger. This was the Pro-Life my friends in Colorado Springs were when I was younger.

I'm confused.

184 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:38:29am

re: #181 Lidane

So in other words, you're actually pro-choice, because you want people to have the choice of an abortion if they're raped, or the victim of incest, or if their health is threatened by a pregnancy.

I hate those qualifiers. How do you prove a crime has been committed in time for the abortion to be legal?

I can see some anti-choice judge prosecuter dragging the process out for at least 9 months. The legal mumbo-jumbo that it would create is counter-productive. Many woman have a hard enough time going to the police in the case of rape (or incest, which IS rape).

I want the government to stay OUT of my body.

185 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:39:07am

re: #183 ProLifeLiberal

So the meaning of being Pro-Life has changed since I was younger. This was the Pro-Life my friends in Colorado Springs were when I was younger.

I'm confused.

There is no meaning of Pro-Life. It is a political term used for propaganda.

186 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:40:30am

re: #183 ProLifeLiberal

So the meaning of being Pro-Life has changed since I was younger. This was the Pro-Life my friends in Colorado Springs were when I was younger.

I'm confused.

Do you think abortion should be illegal? If yes except for health of the mother, what does that mean exactly? How do you legislate to determine the health of the mother? Does mental health of the mother get included?

187 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:41:31am

re: #185 ggt

Ok, now I find that I was naive on this issue. The first two words in my nic are an artifact then I guess.

188 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:41:55am

re: #183 ProLifeLiberal

So the meaning of being Pro-Life has changed since I was younger. This was the Pro-Life my friends in Colorado Springs were when I was younger.

I'm confused.

It's simple-- do you believe that people have the right to decide what highly personal medical decisions they make for themselves or not?

If you think a woman should have a choice in whether or not she has an abortion if she's raped, you're pro-choice. If you think a victim of incest should have a say in whether or not they carry any child to term, you're pro-choice. If you think a woman or a married couple should be able to decide for themselves whether or not to continue a risky pregnancy, you're pro-choice.

If, on the other hand, you think abortion should never be an option for a woman regardless of the circumstances of how she got pregnant and that it should be outlawed 100% of the time and for any reason, you're anti-choice.

189 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:42:19am

re: #187 ProLifeLiberal

Ok, now I find that I was naive on this issue. The first two words in my nic are an artifact then I guess.

Words are arbitrary, Concepts are not.

190 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:43:20am

re: #188 Lidane

By the meaning you gave, I'm Pro-Choice. I don't like the idea of what Republicans are doing now.

191 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:45:37am

re: #190 ProLifeLiberal

By the meaning you gave, I'm Pro-Choice. I don't like the idea of what Republicans are doing now.

Lidane explained the Concepts very well. The words used to label the concepts will change over time.

It's hard to keep up.

192 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:47:17am

It's like the word: Fascism.

There is no definitive definition of Fascism. It's used as a swear-word and people cringe at having it slung at them.

193 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:48:50am

Gotta go,

have a great afternoon all!

194 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:49:55am

re: #191 ggt

I'll just define myself on this issue the full way, instead of little catchphrases.

I believe that Abortion should begin to be restricted at the point the Embryo can be called human. I don't know where that point is. There should always be choice in the case of rape, incest, health of the mother, and if the baby will has a terminal problem.

195 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:50:37am

re: #193 ggt

Thanks for helping.

196 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 11:55:57am

re: #194 ProLifeLiberal

The fact that you allow for a choice at any point and for any reason makes you pro-choice. Someone who is anti-choice doesn't want those options to exist at all. The more fanatical among the anti-choice crowd don't even want emergency contraception or birth control to be options either.

You'd think someone who objects to abortion across the board and for any reason would favor making preventing an unwanted pregnancy easier, but no. Generally, that's not the case at all, especially among the political class and the activists.

197 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 12:21:02pm

re: #145 jaunte

Bachmann's thinking is a real kludgefest.

We don’t need (open with 'do not want' phrase)
political correctness (cliche brick, freighted with negatives)
because (connector piece)
most fundamentally I believe (look how sincere I am)
the building block of the family (cliche brick freighted with positives)
is what the government needs to do right now (there oughta be a law)
and support two-parent families (you know what I'm sayin')
as the foundation of our economic and social policy (dollars and cents rationale for prejudice)

You're quite brilliant you know! Very good.

198 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 12:22:28pm

re: #150 CuriousLurker

Iran 'Condemns Clampdown on Pro-Democracy Protesters' ... in Libya

Can someone please smack me on the back? I seem to be choking on a big fat wad of hypocrisy.

We have always been at war with Eurasia.

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 12:29:55pm

re: #181 Lidane

So in other words, you're actually pro-choice, because you want people to have the choice of an abortion if they're raped, or the victim of incest, or if their health is threatened by a pregnancy.

Nope, that's a typical anti-choice position. Only very extreme anti-choicers would prohibit any choice.

200 Lidane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 12:39:18pm

re: #199 Sergey Romanov

Only very extreme anti-choicers would prohibit any choice.

The rest of them just want to severely restrict the choice or put up artificial blocks to it (forced ultrasounds, waiting periods, forced counseling at "crisis pregnancy centers", etc.) to the point where a woman's choice is eliminated by default.

The simplest divide between pro-choice and anti-choice is that a pro-choice person allows for exceptions. They allow for people to make highly personal, difficult medical decisions for themselves. An anti-choice person does not, and they do everything they can to remove that choice from the equation.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 12:46:44pm

re: #200 Lidane

No, not really. The very word "exceptions" shows the anti-choice nature of this group. You have exceptions when you have the main thing prohibited. Pro-choice is someone who allows abortion for any reason whatsoever until a certain point (typically until the third trimester).

If the position you characterized were pro-choice, then the Republican party is pro-choice (or at least was so until the very recent explosion of ultra-craziness). McCain, Bush, whoever - all wanted to repeal Roe v. Wade but all would allow for "exceptions". Sorry, "anti-choice" cannot be interpreted that literally.

202 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 12:48:51pm

BBL.

203 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 12:58:36pm

re: #196 Lidane

The fact that you allow for a choice at any point and for any reason makes you pro-choice. Someone who is anti-choice doesn't want those options to exist at all. The more fanatical among the anti-choice crowd don't even want emergency contraception or birth control to be options either.

You'd think someone who objects to abortion across the board and for any reason would favor making preventing an unwanted pregnancy easier, but no. Generally, that's not the case at all, especially among the political class and the activists.

Sorry, been AFK.

I don't mean to start shit, well maybe I do, but this is the problem I have with "ProLifeLiberal". Very little he or she says is liberal. Actually none of it is liberal. I'm betting on a well placed sock which I always have, but have kept my mouth shut about it. Today I'm feeling a bit ornery.

It's easy to say "Republicans Bad!! Hurhurhur!!" now isn't it? But why are they bad exactly? Much harder to explain a philosophy when you don't actually believe it.

The statement "Oh I used to be Pro Life when it was used years ago, but since I hate Republicans now and they're Pro Life and I'M A LIBERAL, that isn't my philosophy anymore. But forgive me because I was just confused."

Excuse me but bull-fucking shit. I'm on to PLL.

204 robdouth  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:13:33pm

This is kind of pathetic. Using a colloquialism is now going to be taken as a literal meaning of the words. So now if someone accuses someone else of "shooting off at the mouth" are you going to say they actually said his mouth was a weapon with which to shoot people. What happened to Charles battling these outrageous outrages, instead of manufacturing them. This is an inaccurate statement by Bachmann to be sure, but it's hardly over the top or inflammatory.

205 robdouth  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:21:23pm

re: #185 ggt

By that definition there is no such thing as pro-choice either and it's just for political propaganda, because most pro-choice people will put a limit on that choice. If it's a highly private and personal medical choice in the 1st and 2nd trimester... Why isn't it a personal medical choice for the entire term? Why is it ok to limit the rights of someone once they hit 6 months and 1 day, or the general area of 6-7 months?

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:15:20pm

re: #205 robdouth

It's not that difficult to understand. Pro-choice people (mostly) do not consider embryos and then fetuses to be human persons. They (most of them) do, however, care about human persons, whether inside the womb or outside. The question then is when does the personhood start. We can't really answer this in one way, but we can say for certain when a fetus is not a person: not until it's cerebral cortex forms/activates. So it's safe until then. So there is a reason for these limitations.

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:16:21pm

re: #206 Sergey Romanov

It's not that difficult to understand. Pro-choice people (mostly) do not consider embryos and then fetuses to be human persons. They (most of them) do, however, care about human persons, whether inside the womb or outside. The question then is when does the personhood start. We can't really answer this in one way, but we can say for certain when a fetus is not a person: not until it's cerebral cortex forms/activates. So it's safe until then. So there is a reason for these limitations.

Correction (although it is clear from the context): "do not consider embryos and then fetuses (until a certain moment) to be human persons".

208 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:37:44pm

re: #204 robdouth

This is kind of pathetic. Using a colloquialism is now going to be taken as a literal meaning of the words. So now if someone accuses someone else of "shooting off at the mouth" are you going to say they actually said his mouth was a weapon with which to shoot people.

Wow. Talk about "unclear on the concept." You're kidding, right?

What happened to Charles battling these outrageous outrages, instead of manufacturing them. This is an inaccurate statement by Bachmann to be sure, but it's hardly over the top or inflammatory.

I guess you're not kidding. That's just sad.

209 Spocomptonite  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 7:23:39am

What does a two-parent family have to do with economic policy? I mean, really, what?

And as the child of a heterosexual yet nastily divorced single-parent family, I find it wholly and personally offensive that Bachmann considers anything less than her own narrow definition of 'family' as a problem for America.

210 robdouth  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 3:35:43pm

re: #208 Charles

I'm not kidding because you used to post people going off the handle about statements (I remember taking your side when Danny Glover incoherently said things that could have been taken a number of ways about the Haiti events awhile back). You correctly labeled these things outrageous outrages of the day and hammered people for being too literal, and this is an example of the kind of gotcha BS you used to rail against. I don't see why it's sad. I guess your post about the faked phone call with Walker is the same kind of thing. I agreed with you and thought it was great when you exposed Breitbart for his BS gotcha shit against multiple targets including the unfortunately demonized African American woman whose name escapes me.

However, no condemnation of this tactic being used against Walker.

211 robdouth  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 3:41:36pm

re: #206 Sergey Romanov

But that's not the argument given. As stated by multiple people, the argument is that it's a highly personal medical decision about a woman's body and reproductive rights. I don't see how you can hit a certain stage of development and that right is now fully null and void. What if the woman reaches the 7th month and realizes she made the wrong decision and wants to abort. Because it's a month later she no longer has the right? You can't claim viability because there are instances of babies born at 20 weeks or less in extreme cases that can survive with massive assistance. It seems arbitrary or politically expedient to say you are pro-choice, but we'll take away that choice/right once you hit a specific point in the pregnancy. As long as the unborn child/fetus/zygote (depending on the stage of development) is still inside the woman, how can her rights be denied?

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 3:44:40pm

re: #211 robdouth

Birth is an arbitrary moment as long as abortion-by-wish is concerned. A baby second later is the same baby second earlier. Does it mean the infant can be killed too?

213 robdouth  Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:35:03am

re: #212 Sergey Romanov

No of course not, but there's no good reason to cut it off right at the 2nd vs. 3rd trimester, because if we're talking viability of the fetus to live on it's own, it's getting to the point where medicine can save a baby at 20 weeks (still rare but it happens) I understand the obvious anger at people who are true anti-choice as it regards rape/incest/etc, but if someone isn't nutbag crazy and doesn't have that viewpoint, isn't the remaining spectrum pro-choice in degrees? Is someone who says no abortions after the first trimester a nutbag bastard trying to impose his beliefs to trump a woman's rights, but if you cut it off at 6-7 months, you aren't? I can never get a handle on the logical jiu-jitsu that is needed to balance rights of the mother vs. rights of the unborn. And why, where the cutoff is, decides who is for women's rights, and who is against them.


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