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Today’s insanity break is a surreal little short that won the “Best Film” jury prize at the “48 Hour Film” project in Utrecht, Netherlands.
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:26:58pm |
Utrecht is actually in the Netherlands, but within about an hour of Germany. The language in the film is certainly Dutch.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:34:26pm |
speaking of insanity, PDX protest=Hula Hoopers and Clapping Circles.
… what the crap is a clapping circle?
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albusteve Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:35:47pm |
re: #3 windsagio
speaking of insanity, PDX protest=Hula Hoopers and Clapping Circles.
… what the crap is a clapping circle?
shared affliction
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:36:41pm |
re: #3 windsagio
… what the crap is a clapping circle?
A shot of penicillin will clear it up in to time.
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122 Year Old Obama Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:36:59pm |
Close friend of mine attempted suicide. Was able to stop her with the help of another friend and now she is currently getting help. I’m still worried sick about her though..
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:40:49pm |
re: #6 SteelPH
Huge props for stepping up. But maybe now is the hard part. I think there is help out there if you want it, by way of teaching you how to best help this person.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:41:27pm |
That was just a bizarre short film…A Dutch film without sex?
What is this world coming too?
/
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CuriousLurker Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:42:03pm |
re: #6 SteelPH
Thank goodness you all were able to stop her. Sending prayers & good thoughts her way (and yours). {{{SteelPH}}}
God, most of my problems are so miniscule as to be nonexistent compared to what I’ve been seeing here that past couple of days.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:42:25pm |
re: #6 SteelPH
Close friend of mine attempted suicide. Was able to stop her with the help of another friend and now she is currently getting help. I’m still worried sick about her though..
Good work. {SteelPH} Good luck.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:44:18pm |
re: #3 windsagio
speaking of insanity, PDX protest=Hula Hoopers and Clapping Circles.
… what the crap is a clapping circle?
Maybe there’s going to be a 1% tax of corporate drums in the Marxist future.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:44:31pm |
re: #2 Olsonist
Or that scene from 500 days of Summer where they’re going through the Ikea and trying out stuff.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:51:09pm |
Just what I needed, a comedy break….
O’Reilly Crushes Atheist Richard Dawkins (video)
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:51:40pm |
re: #3 windsagio
They are failing at protesting. There should be advocacy or criticism of issues, not a damp party.
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Cheechako Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:52:20pm |
Today, in Alaska, it’s our early Christmas. About $760,000,000 was added to the Alaska (and National) economy. It’s the day our Permanent Fund Dividends are deposited or mailed. This year it’s $1,174 for each of the 647,549 qualified residents.
I’ll buy the next round.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:53:28pm |
re: #1 bratwurst
Utrecht is actually in the Netherlands, but within about an hour of Germany. The language in the film is certainly Dutch.
Thanks, I corrected it.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:53:42pm |
re: #15 Cheechako
makes me crazy whenever I think of that and alaskans talk about their history of self-sufficiency and rugged individualism.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:56:14pm |
re: #6 SteelPH
Close friend of mine attempted suicide. Was able to stop her with the help of another friend and now she is currently getting help. I’m still worried sick about her though..
Awful news. Hang in there.
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:57:55pm |
re: #15 Cheechako
Today, in Alaska, it’s our early Christmas. About $760,000,000 was added to the Alaska (and National) economy. It’s the day our Permanent Fund Dividends are deposited or mailed. This year it’s $1,174 for each of the 647,549 qualified residents.
I’ll buy the next round.
When I was in college in the 80s I had a room mate from Alaska and my eyes popped out of my head when he received a check for over $800. To a student in the 80s that was like SERIOUS MONEY.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 5:58:58pm |
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:01:40pm |
Cool vid, Charles.
Sorry about your friend, Steel…she’s lucky to have you though.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:05:53pm |
re: #6 SteelPH
Your nicer than I am. My response to suicide attempts by my friends has generally been to be angry at them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:07:06pm |
re: #6 SteelPH
Close friend of mine attempted suicide. Was able to stop her with the help of another friend and now she is currently getting help. I’m still worried sick about her though..
Oh, jeez. I am so sorry you’re dealing with that, and so glad you were able to stop her.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:10:38pm |
Due to many requests from “Tea Party” The Zionist Mall has opened a Cafepress outlet for the Hebrew version of the Gadsden Flag.
Zedushka figured, why not make money?
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:13:44pm |
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:16:36pm |
re: #25 Alouette
Due to many requests from “Tea Party” The Zionist Mall has opened a Cafepress outlet for the Hebrew version of the Gadsden Flag.
Zedushka figured, why not make money?
I worked at Cafepress for three years…have a “premium” store I “gifted” myself for all eternity (i.e. 100 years free of charge)…have a number of items there, but haven’t updated it in almost two years…should get back into it though. I had a couple of 400 dollar months last election season.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:18:40pm |
re: #27 darthstar
I worked at Cafepress for three years…have a “premium” store I “gifted” myself for all eternity (i.e. 100 years free of charge)…have a number of items there, but haven’t updated it in almost two years…should get back into it though. I had a couple of 400 dollar months last election season.
This was my money making design (though it was bumper-stickers and t-shirts that sold…not thongs)
Image: 277141804v74_240x240_Front_Color-White.jpg
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:22:19pm |
re: #6 SteelPH
Close friend of mine attempted suicide. Was able to stop her with the help of another friend and now she is currently getting help. I’m still worried sick about her though..
God Bless you for being a friend…You brought back a flood of Memories..
When my really good friend Quenton killed himself because of a bad relationship..
I will never forget that dark night in bed weeping openly on my wife’s shoulder asking why he never said anything..Not a word…I could have helped..I will never forget the pain..Nor the tears..Nor the comfort my wife gave..
I could have comforted him.. I could have helped..
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:27:07pm |
Also… I tried to resist but…
A Israeli gadsden flag?
…
…
Lol.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:30:26pm |
re: #31 windsagio
Also… I tried to resist but…
A Israeli gadsden flag?
…
…
Lol.
It’s not on a thong.
But I guess…if enough people ask for it…
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:30:41pm |
WoW! about 50 more posts and I’ll be at 30,000.. Time just flew by..
Don’t worry everybody says I talk to much..
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:33:03pm |
re: #32 Alouette
It’s not on a thong.
But I guess…if enough people ask for it…
Nothing turns on your man as he’s taking off his tri-corn hat and buckled boots more than seeing the promised land blocked by the words “Don’t tread on me.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:33:16pm |
re: #32 Alouette
It’s not on a thong.
But I guess…if enough people ask for it…
Well, I’ve seen panties with “Shomeret Negiah” printed across the butt, so who knows?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:33:28pm |
Good news from the frogs. I was almost certain Soybean Frog had been eaten since he’s been silent for the past week. This evening a helicopter passed by and he started croaking at it. Still just him but I still have hope that other late bloomers have escaped the rats.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:34:00pm |
re: #33 HoosierHoops
WoW! about 50 more posts and I’ll be at 30,000.. Time just flew by..
Don’t worry everybody says I talk to much..
You’re 9,000 posts ahead of me…give or take a few.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:34:13pm |
re: #32 Alouette
Heh yeah, its not that its being sold, its that people want it.
It’s a symbol that has had really lame associations for years now, imo.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:34:22pm |
re: #34 darthstar
Nothing turns on your man as he’s taking off his tri-corn hat and buckled boots more than seeing the promised land blocked by the words “Don’t tread on me.”
There is a delightful scene in “The Borgias”, where Rodrigo is talking to his mistress about Italian geopolitics, using her leg as a ‘map’. He then gets bored with talking shop, and announces that he is going to invade France.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:34:42pm |
re: #34 darthstar
Nothing turns on your man as he’s taking off his tri-corn hat and buckled boots more than seeing the promised land blocked by the words “Don’t tread on me.”
And we’re back to socon/fundie BDSM.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:35:35pm |
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:35:48pm |
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:36:35pm |
re: #42 darthstar
Were we ever away from it?
Not if I have anything to say about it!
We’re having this conversation dammit!
…
and there’s a ton of money to be made. It could be the next “Gor”.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:37:12pm |
Finally, at least one side of the political spectrum is getting serious about fiscal responsibility….
$2 Million Spent on Police Overtime for Occupy Wall Street
The Occupy Wall Street protests have cost the city a whopping $2 million in police overtime since the demonstrations began nearly three weeks ago, according to NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly.
With a little luck the protests will grow and we can get that up to a million per week. Wouldn’t that be spiffy?
Also this….
Kelly said, the protesters linked arms, tossed bottles of liquid at the officers and charged barricades that had been set up.
“They actually had a countdown: 10, 9, 8 , 7, 6. They joined arms and they charged the police,” he said. “They attacked the police.”
Stunning video posted on YouTube shows NYPD supervisors beating back the protesters with batons.
“They’re going to be met with force when they do that,” Kelly said. “That is just common sense.”
“Physical force is going to be used. This is something this core group obviously wanted to have
happen.”
Power to the people!
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prairiefire Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:38:13pm |
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prairiefire Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:40:23pm |
Reid just pulled the Nuclear Option!!!!!!!!!:[Link: thehill.com…]
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:40:57pm |
re: #25 Alouette
Due to many requests from “Tea Party” The Zionist Mall has opened a Cafepress outlet for the Hebrew version of the Gadsden Flag.
Zedushka figured, why not make money?
Figure out what the Hebrew equivalent of Molon Labe is and start putting it on stuff.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:42:48pm |
re: #47 prairiefire
Reid just pulled the Nuclear Option!!!:[Link: thehill.com…]
Oh, fuck yeah! The gloves are off!
Reid and 50 members of his caucus voted to change Senate rules unilaterally to prevent Republicans from forcing votes on uncomfortable amendments after the chamber has voted to move to final passage of a bill.
Reid’s coup passed by a vote of 51-48, leaving Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) fuming.
The surprise move stunned Republicans, who did not expect Reid to bring heavy artillery to what had been a humdrum knife fight over amendments to China currency legislation.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:43:40pm |
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:43:48pm |
re: #47 prairiefire
Reid just pulled the Nuclear Option!!!:[Link: thehill.com…]
About bleeping time.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:44:06pm |
re: #47 prairiefire
That’s the sub-nuclear option, really. A tactical nuke, not a strategic one.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:44:34pm |
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:46:07pm |
I live to serve.
Seriously tho’ there’s a history going back to the ’70s fundie boom of sexualizing the submissive Christian wife thing.
All about being submissive and tempting your husband away from his Football… creepy stuff.
Also the stuff of male fantasy, lol.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:46:30pm |
re: #47 prairiefire
One Democratic source noted that former Republican Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (Miss.) used Reid’s nuclear tactic on May 17, 2000, when he overturned a ruling from the chair to ban non-germane sense-of-the-Senate amendments from being offered to appropriations bills.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:48:09pm |
re: #37 darthstar
You’re 9,000 posts ahead of me…give or take a few.
Your Karma Ratio is just amazing.. I just noticed.. You are getting into HOF numbers there pal..:)
Now some people don’t pay no mind to karma..But as a sports fan and a numbers guy I think it adds alot.. You get to see how lizards measure up over a period of time.. It’s fun…
Now I do believe I have have the record for karma for one post..When I first got here I didn’t know what dings were..Didn’t have a clue.. But I wrote about getting a call from my Son from a roof top in Fallujah at 3am..
The next day people are posting that I just made a record of updings..
I was so tired that night…I just opened up as a newbee
Thanks Lizards
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:48:12pm |
re: #53 Obdicut
That’s the sub-nuclear option, really. A tactical nuke, not a strategic one.
Yep…just read more on it…still, it’s a good sign that we’re at least willing to push back a little.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:48:14pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
For what it’s worth.
KT? Folks have been giving you shit about your lack of support for the OWS.
You were the first person who started pointing out the same nutty “Fringie” aspect of the TeaParty. Not just here. The first person I saw mention it anywhere.
I appreciate your objectivity. You may have saved me from being a TeaPartier. Had I been on the inside looking out, I may not have noticed the overall shittiness of it.
Thank you.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:48:25pm |
re: #45 windsagio
lol, what is your major malfunction?
Just reporting news. Is there a problem with that?
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:48:52pm |
[Link: www.dnainfo.com…]
Kelly said that while most of the protesters have been peaceful, “there’s clearly a core group of self-styled anarchists…who want to have a confrontation with police.”
Thousands of protesters, including union members and students, marched on Foley Square Wednesday in the group’s largest showing yet.
Everything appeared to be peaceful as the group marched back down to Zuccotti Park, where it has been camped out since Sept. 17, until a group splintered off and headed for Wall Street.
There, Kelly said, the protesters linked arms, tossed bottles of liquid at the officers and charged barricades that had been set up.
“They actually had a countdown: 10, 9, 8 , 7, 6. They joined arms and they charged the police,” he said. “They attacked the police.”
Stunning video posted on YouTube shows NYPD supervisors beating back the protesters with batons.
“They’re going to be met with force when they do that,” Kelly said. “That is just common sense.”
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darthstar Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:49:29pm |
re: #57 HoosierHoops
I got it to 2:1 around 1,000 posts…have tried to maintain that balance since…I think I’m a bit above it now. Means I piss off fewer people than I please…which is how I like it.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:51:03pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
You just have such an obvious distaste and agenda about that particular issue, I’m wondering where the editorial rage comes from.
It’s all “Damn kids have no respect for law, order, and public decorum these days!”
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:52:36pm |
re: #63 windsagio
He did precisely the same thing to the TeaParty and he was dead on.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:55:07pm |
re: #62 darthstar
I got it to 2:1 around 1,000 posts…have tried to maintain that balance since…I think I’m a bit above it now. Means I piss off fewer people than I please…which is how I like it.
Steve-O cracks me up.. He won’t ding anyone no matter what…I could disprove E=MC2 and not a ding..It’s his principles…I respect that..
I sent him a CD of me playing music and he said it was great ( Which is an honor)
Will he upding me? Hell no! I could send him gold and seeds..But to no Avail!
LOL
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:55:07pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:55:19pm |
re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
For what it’s worth.
KT? Folks have been giving you shit about your lack of support for the OWS.
You were the first person who started pointing out the same nutty “Fringie” aspect of the TeaParty. Not just here. The first person I saw mention it anywhere.
I appreciate your objectivity. You may have saved me from being a TeaPartier. Had I been on the inside looking out, I may not have noticed the overall shittiness of it.
Thank you.
You’re welcome.
I’ll admit that I don’t have the same zeal for the OWS protests. I try to remain objective and apply the same standard as we had with the Eurofascists in the counter Jihad movement, Birchers in the Tea Party, and Marxists in the OWS protests but I realize I’m running out of rope on this one. The American public is easily duped by partisan radicals. I don;t think the OWS protests will last past the first bad weather but I’m coming to realize I’m pissing against the wind. Partisans will continue to embrace and mainstream the radicals on their side as long as they make the right noises and use the correct catch phrases to stimulate the appropriate instincts. I’m just not optimistic anymore that common sense will prevail. We get the society we deserve and this is it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:58:02pm |
re: #6 SteelPH
Close friend of mine attempted suicide. Was able to stop her with the help of another friend and now she is currently getting help. I’m still worried sick about her though..
Sometimes, it does not get better. Suicide prevention starts with that understanding. Ironically, friends who understand this help make it better.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:58:24pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Meh, I’d be more inclined to accept your opinion on OWS if it weren’t for posts like this.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 6:58:52pm |
re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’m waiting for polling of Self identified OWS folks as to how far the rank and file support for the “extreme” stuff is.
This is not extreme stuff………..
Companies should be more accountable to society.
Millionaires should pay more tax.
Stronger government oversight and regulation of the economy.
If the Polling says that they are all Free Bradley Manning, Anarchy/Anon, etc etc etc - then great, kick it to the kerb, until i’m yet to see the data that suggests any of that is nearly as widespread as Birther/Death Panel/0% taxes is within the tea party.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:00:28pm |
FBV/KT:
The difference is the rage. Focusing on the fringe elements is kind of wrong in the case of either movement, but whats really striking is the way KT is looking for any excuse to hate on them.
Saying they need to grow up constantly is par for the course and also illustrative. It’s almost explicitly a ‘damn kids on my lawn’ situation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:00:50pm |
re: #48 The Ghost of a Flea
Figure out what the Hebrew equivalent of Molon Labe is and start putting it on stuff.
“Bo v’sholeihem”? There’s something wrong with that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:01:10pm |
re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I appreciate your objectivity. You may have saved me from being a TeaPartier. Had I been on the inside looking out, I may not have noticed the overall shittiness of it.
Thank you.
What objectivity?
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:01:56pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
“Bo v’sholeihem”? There’s something wrong with that.
Okay, maybe it doesn’t have a ring to it that rwnjs will jive with…but how does it look screen-printed on stuff?
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:05:28pm |
I’ve given my particularly humble 2cents.
Can’t be doing with where the rest of this goes from here (downhill fast probably, but prove me wrong folks).
Out for the night. Peace.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:06:59pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:08:02pm |
re: #65 HoosierHoops
Steve-O cracks me up.. He won’t ding anyone no matter what…I could disprove E=MC2 and not a ding..It’s his principles…I respect that..
I sent him a CD of me playing music and he said it was great ( Which is an honor)
Will he upding me? Hell no! I could send him gold and seeds..But to no Avail!
LOL
If you send him gold, seeds, and that human femur to plow the land with, he might.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:08:25pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
We get the society we deserve and this is it.
Neil deGrasse Tyson tweets
Yankees must win tonite. A-Rod is 0 for 2. During the regular season, he earned $86,000 per at-bat.
Maybe we spend a little too much on entertainment.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:08:44pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
You’re welcome.
I’ll admit that I don’t have the same zeal for the OWS protests. I try to remain objective and apply the same standard as we had with the Eurofascists in the counter Jihad movement, Birchers in the Tea Party, and Marxists in the OWS protests but I realize I’m running out of rope on this one.
Apples/lawnmowers
You’re only running of rope because your supposed critique is identical to the same old red-baiting of the left in the 20s-60s.
You might have read up on that before attempting it.
The American public is easily duped by partisan radicals.
Commie-baiting in the USA is as old as commiebaiting itself.
Last time the rwnj tried it, it failed, massively.
Well, the last time before trying to paint Barack Obama as an alinsky communist Negro Socialist Republic marxist. e_e
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:09:21pm |
re: #80 EmmmieG
If you send him gold, seeds, and that human femur to plow the land with, he might.
No.
You could take the Cowboys to the superbowl and he’d never upding ya.
:)
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:09:32pm |
re: #69 Varek Raith
Meh, I’d be more inclined to accept your opinion on OWS if it weren’t for posts like this.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Heh, still makes me laugh.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:10:09pm |
re: #82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I think there may be some legitimate issues here. ANSWER’s involvement is a huge gripe for me, after their bullshitting during the Libyan Intervention.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:10:22pm |
re: #82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
From rereading the fisking here, it just occurred to me.
There’s this impression that OWS might be part of a communist plot to take over… something?
It’d be ludicrous if it weren’t prima facie absurd!
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:12:45pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Heh, still makes me laugh.
That’s fine.
But it’s clear your aren’t being objective. Stick with the facts and not with the hyperbole of them simply being hippy marxists.
;)
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:15:25pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
In this case, I think that the radicals are mostly hiding their radicalism, rather than letting it all hang out. It’ll be interesting to see if that continues.
I’ve put up a page asking what questions i should ask the protesters, if you’re interested.
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prairiefire Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:15:58pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:16:08pm |
re: #85 ProLifeLiberal
I think there may be some legitimate issues here. ANSWER’s involvement is a huge gripe for me, after their bullshitting during the Libyan Intervention.
Dunno if you’ve read my posts re: ANSWER (click on my name and put “ANSWER” in your search next to the rest of the search criteria.)
I agree with KT’s criticism of ANSWER, as well as Obdi’s on Adbusters/ANSWER/WPP. I’m right there with them on it; have been so from the start. But that’s as far as KT’s critique ever goes. I find it to be amateurish, knee-jerk, 1970s and classically rightwing reactionary.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:17:33pm |
I’m trying to be very upfront about where my jumpiness and skepticism about the OWS is coming from.
I’m getting the impression that some people have no intention of listening to any doubt, objection, or mocking commentary about OWS without attributing it to brainwashing, hidden agenda, or malevolent failure to get with the program.
This movement is not Tinkerbell. It will not fall ill if a child says “I don’t believe in grassroots revolutionary movements!” It will not die if we don’t clap for it
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:17:50pm |
re: #90 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I find it to be amateurish, knee-jerk, 1970s and classically rightwing reactionary.
Your critique of his critique seems kinda knee-jerk too.
Looks like we’ve got ourselves an ouroboros.
And amateurish? Any of us professionals here?
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prairiefire Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:18:10pm |
I was strangely titillated by the Batman held captive by Catwoman scenes from the TV show. It took me 20 years to figure out why.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:18:31pm |
re: #92 ProLifeLiberal
Damn it, did Detroit just lose?
No..They are winning..3-1 Tigers Blood ya know?
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:18:51pm |
re: #94 Obdicut
Your critique of his critique seems kinda knee-jerk too.
Looks like we’ve got ourselves an ouroboros.
And amateurish? Any of us professionals here?
CLEAR THE WAY!
I stayed in a Holiday Inn!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:19:44pm |
re: #86 windsagio
From rereading the fisking here, it just occurred to me.
There’s this impression that OWS might be part of a communist plot to take over… something?
It’d be ludicrous if it weren’t prima facie absurd!
OWS isn’t going to take over anything.
OWS may not even be here in the spring.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:19:50pm |
re: #70 wozzablog
Companies should be more accountable to society.
You’ll disagree with this, and that’s okay. (I’m sure you appreciate my permission)
A company should try to make as much money as possible while obeying the law. It, by definition, is what a company is created to do.
A company is not created to be accountable to you, or society. It is accountable to its owners and stockholders.
Companies that are “socially responsible”, by and large think they will (in the long run) make more money by building good will.
Steve Jobs and Apple changed the world, made a butt-load of money, created millionaires, and basically used slave labor in China. I haven’t heard people bitching about that because the Apple doo-dads are cool.
That’s okay too.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:20:16pm |
re: #96 HoosierHoops
I saw something on FB from a friend.
Dad’s family lives in and around Detroit, so guess who I am rooting for.
Mom’s from Pittsburgh.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:21:10pm |
re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist
winter’s a hard time for camping out, especially up north.
I think it’ll have a lot more legs than people give it credit for though, who knows what OWS will accomplish, but I think the protests will last.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:21:10pm |
re: #90 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
classically rightwing reactionary
When I’m your caricature of a radical right wing radical you got problems.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:21:34pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:21:53pm |
re: #94 Obdicut
Your critique of his critique seems kinda knee-jerk too.
Looks like we’ve got ourselves an ouroboros.
And amateurish? Any of us professionals here?
To quote “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”, “A professional what?”
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:22:01pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
When I’m your caricature of a radical right wing radical you got problems.
PANTALOONS!
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BishopX Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:22:06pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Everybody has editorial biases. I don’t agree with yours regarding OWS. I still respect your work, even when I think your wrong headed.
That said, you’ve crossed the line into crank territory a couple of times. Mostly regarding police/protester interaction.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:22:17pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
It’s more a ‘old out of touch law and order’ stereotype.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:23:44pm |
re: #106 Varek Raith
PANTALOONS!
If I was better at photoshop I’d paste Hitchen’s head on Ronald Reagan for my avatar.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:23:57pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Heh, still makes me laugh.
I’m glad I was there to up-ding it the first time.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:24:19pm |
re: #94 Obdicut
Your critique of his critique seems kinda knee-jerk too.
And that makes your critique of my critique what, exactly.
9_9
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:24:47pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
I try to remain objective and apply the same standard as we had with the Eurofascists in the counter Jihad movement, Birchers in the Tea Party, and Marxists in the OWS protests but I realize I’m running out of rope on this one.
I don’t know, if this is you remaining calm and objective, I shudder to think of you getting wound up. That was how you responded to your discovery of the now famous Lotion Man video, while deliberately avoiding any mention of the accompanying videos showing him to be a mentally deranged, homeless NY street kid/busker. You throw what clearly appears to be a temper tantrum, tell everyone to fuck off, all because you’ve finally found your antisemite and won’t even present the evidence in the top result of your own google link showing that the kid is clearly insane. Objective this is not.
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Heh, still makes me laugh.
I wish you understood how creepy this sounds. You’re laughing at unarmed, unthreatening women being assaulted. They weren’t arrested, they weren’t detained, there’s no evidence that they are breaking any law, but seeing them get maced makes you laugh.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:25:04pm |
re: #111 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
A Circle Jerk. :D
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:25:15pm |
Romney decides to go with a destiny ordained by God
“God did not create this country to be a nation of followers,” Romney asserts in the prepared text. “America is not destined to be one of several equally balanced global powers.”
The remarks are an attack on the foreign policy that Obama has pursued, one that sees the world as a network of multilateral powers and relies on U.S. allies to take the lead in some crises - as France and Great Britain did in Libya.
Romney rejects that view. “This century must be an American century,” he plans to say in his speech, prepared for delivery at The Citadel, a military university here. “In an American century, America leads the free world.”
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:25:28pm |
re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A company should try to make as much money as possible while obeying the law. It, by definition, is what a company is created to do. A company is not created to be accountable to you, or society. It is accountable to its owners and stockholders.
…which is exactly why existing laws desperately need to be changed. The non-existent consequences for breaking them encourage corporations to be as destructive and short-sighted as possible (see Brothers, Koch)
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:25:30pm |
re: #95 prairiefire
I was strangely titillated by the Batman held captive by Catwoman scenes from the TV show. It took me 20 years to figure out why.
Latex?
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:25:36pm |
With regards to OWS, I’ll wait and see.
If it goes the way of the TP, so be it. Screw them.
If not, ok.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:26:29pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
When I’m your caricature of a radical right wing radical you got problems.
True, except you don’t get such a coveted badge of honor, not from me anyway.
I have known radical rightwing radicals who are caricatures of themselves.
Friend, to your credit, you are not it.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:27:03pm |
re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Most excellent.
of course I ignore my own advice :p
I think I’m gonna post that up every time we start going in circles about things.
…
Or maybe just post ‘circles’
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:27:53pm |
re: #92 ProLifeLiberal
Damn it, did Detroit just lose?
No, they’re in the lead. Come on Detroit!
Any night the Yankees’ loose is a good night for me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:29:46pm |
re: #121 wlewisiii
No, they’re in the lead. Come on Detroit!
Any night the Yankees’ loose is a good night for me.
Especially tonight!
If there’s a town in America that needs a win? It’s Detroit.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:31:20pm |
re: #121 wlewisiii
No, they’re in the lead. Come on Detroit!
Any night the Yankees’ loose is a good night for me.
Hate the Yankees, Lakers and Patriots…
When the Lakers lose I imagine Jack Nicholson sitting naked in his Kitchen with an empty bottle of Vodka as the sun comes up and the maid arrives..
Life is sweet sometimes Jack…
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:31:25pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
If I was better at photoshop I’d paste Hitchen’s head on Ronald Reagan for my avatar.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:31:42pm |
The police have agreed to find Michele Bachmann’s Stooges tape:
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:32:48pm |
re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist
OWS isn’t going to take over anything.
OWS may not even be here in the spring.
In our 24/7 news cycle, I wouldn’t be surprised.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:33:19pm |
re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Especially tonight!
If there’s a town in America that needs a win? It’s Detroit.
I read earlier today that if the Lions go 5-0 on Sunday, it would be the first time since 1956. To put that in perspective, 20 of the 32 teams that play in the NFL now did not exist yet at that time…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:34:58pm |
re: #71 windsagio
FBV/KT:
The difference is the rage. Focusing on the fringe elements is kind of wrong in the case of either movement, but whats really striking is the way KT is looking for any excuse to hate on them.
Saying they need to grow up constantly is par for the course and also illustrative. It’s almost explicitly a ‘damn kids on my lawn’ situation.
this exactly
Grow up and become cynical! Stop trying to change things! it’s better to just give up and hide!
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:35:05pm |
re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You’ll disagree with this, and that’s okay. (I’m sure you appreciate my permission)
A company should try to make as much money as possible while obeying the law. It, by definition, is what a company is created to do.
A company is not created to be accountable to you, or society. It is accountable to its owners and stockholders.
Companies that are “socially responsible”, by and large think they will (in the long run) make more money by building good will.
Steve Jobs and Apple changed the world, made a butt-load of money, created millionaires, and basically used slave labor in China. I haven’t heard people bitching about that because the Apple doo-dads are cool.
That’s okay too.
(before i turn off the light)
It’s a discussion reasonable people can have. We are reasonable people.
I contend that it is not an extreme position in an age of Corporate PersonHood that companies take on more of the responsibilities attached to being a member of society that is at present bending over backwards to protect their rights to exclude Unions and dismantle mandatory EPA protections. Not I contend unreasonable.
Were they to be freed of Personhood (a kind of society wide Euthanasia, if you will) then a plank of my argument disappears.
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:35:57pm |
There has to be a rule from the ‘Book of Appropriate and Acceptable Demonstration Rules’ that says ‘all demonstrations must have a single well defined stated goal or when a demonstration is made up of several groups with different stated goals they must schedule their activity at different non-overlapping times.’
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:35:58pm |
re: #129 wozzablog
(before i turn off the light)
It’s a discussion reasonable people can have. We are reasonable people.
I contend that it is not an extreme position in an age of Corporate PersonHood that companies take on more of the responsibilities attached to being a member of society that is at present bending over backwards to protect them. Not I contend unreasonable.
Were they to be freed of Personhood (a kind of society wide Euthanasia, if you will) then a plank of my argument disappears.
Corporate personhood is one of the more odious and hideous things America has inflicted on itself as an entity as of late
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:36:50pm |
Study: $2 trillion needed for U.S. infrastructure
The United States is falling dramatically behind much of the world in rebuilding and expanding an overloaded and deteriorating transportation network it needs to remain competitive in the global marketplace, according to a new study by the Urban Land Institute.
Burdened with soaring deficits and with long-term transportation plans stalled in Congress, the United States has fallen behind three emerging economic competitors — Brazil, China and India, the institute said.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:36:51pm |
re: #127 wlewisiii
I’m a huge Cowboy fan. Last Sunday? I smiled and grimaced at the same time.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:37:41pm |
re: #131 WindUpBird
Agreed. But at the moment it is there and those who disagree should make use of it as an argument they they are now more encumbered to live upto the societal contract than they ever have been before.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:38:14pm |
re: #128 WindUpBird
sit down and get in line, your turn running everything and being rich will come!
(except it won’t, that’s the problem)
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:39:13pm |
re: #135 windsagio
sit down and get in line, your turn running everything and being rich will come!
(except it won’t, that’s the problem)
There is always masturbation.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:39:52pm |
re: #136 b_sharp
There is always masturbation.
Keeps kids off the street, the greyfaces should be FOR it!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:39:58pm |
re: #134 wozzablog
Agreed. But at the moment it is there and those who disagree should make use of it as an argument they they are now more encumbered to live upto the societal contract than they ever have been before.
it’s a nice argument!
But I’m gonna keep making the argument that it’s an abomination on its face :D
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:40:25pm |
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:40:53pm |
re: #138 WindUpBird
Companies don’t feel encumbered to do anything but make money.
Make money for their board and CEO anyways.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:41:20pm |
re: #135 windsagio
sit down and get in line, your turn running everything and being rich will come!
(except it won’t, that’s the problem)
Man i can’t wait to not be the old guy complaining about the damn kids protesting
Because my father is an actual Real Old Guy and he sees occupy wall street as encouraging and a sign of (minor) hope
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:41:29pm |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Time to pull out my copy of the Constitution again?
Well thumbed I see.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:41:40pm |
re: #138 WindUpBird
it’s a nice argument!
But I’m gonna keep making the argument that it’s an abomination on its face :D
Nothing to stop you and I completely agree - this Supreme Court will go down in history as one of the worst ever because of it.
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BishopX Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:42:40pm |
re: #129 wozzablog
As an aside, corporations exist as entities because society permits them to. There is no constitutional right to form a corporation. Corporations are explicitly formed to allow investors to limit there exposure to risk (i.e. the investors other assets can’t be seized to pay the corporations debts and investors can’t be jailed for crimes committed by the corporate officers in their name). Because this is a n economically useful thing we allow corporations to exist. If we as a society decide that this social contract (corporations exist to make money and shouldn’t be doing anything else) is no longer working, we are free to change the laws regarding incorporation.
Corporations are not a pillar of capitalism, they are a useful legal device for a more efficient market. That’s it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:44:04pm |
re: #140 windsagio
Companies don’t feel encumbered to do anything but make money.
Make money for their board and CEO anyways.
I’m okay with making money!
not okay with making money while ruining the country, not paying for the environmental damage that is caused by making of said money, defrauding and trapping people, ruining our financial system, and soaking average americans for cosmic amounts of middleman health care insurance cash while delivering them a shit sandwich and a foreclosure
| 147 |
Interesting Times Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:44:08pm |
re: #140 windsagio
Make money for their board and CEO anyways.
This is true. Corporations accountable to their shareholders? Not when the top execs can run the company into the ground and make out like robber-barons with their golden parachutes. Parasites killing their hosts FTW!
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:44:21pm |
re: #145 BishopX
As an aside, corporations exist as entities because society permits them to. There is no constitutional right to form a corporation. Corporations are explicitly formed to allow investors to limit there exposure to risk (i.e. the investors other assets can’t be seized to pay the corporations debts and investors can’t be jailed for crimes committed by the corporate officers in their name). Because this is a economically useful thing we allow corporations to exist. If we as a society decide that this social contract (corporations exist to make money and shouldn’t be doing anything else) is no longer working, we are free to change the laws regarding incorporation.
Corporations are not a pillar of capitalism, they are a useful legal device for a more efficient market. That’s it.
Corporatism and Capitalism are quite different animals.
I am irked by fundamentalist capitalists but I am shit scared by Fundy Corporatists.
| 149 |
Boyo Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:44:31pm |
some one please help..
Im staying in the house of some one who is all alex jonesed out to his very core.
Because of the OWS happening, right now hes got a video playing about the fed and jekyll island and hes convinced that the federal reserve system is private and unconstitutional and criminal…
ignoring him is not an option to me (physically impossible).
some one
any one
got any links where I can combat all this nuttiness? Im at a loss because of lack of knowledge but I cant trust anything from a screaming alex jones endorsed video…
thank you in advance
Boyo
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:44:44pm |
re: #140 windsagio
Companies don’t feel encumbered to do anything but make money.
Make money for their board and CEO anyways.
Not true.. There are thousands of great corporations that do give a f*ck about our planet…And make good cash..It’s the way it should be…
It’s the future
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palomino Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:45:17pm |
re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What he’s saying sounds great to the “America Fuck Yeah” types and gets them fired up. He’s playing to the same crowd that laps up his accusations that Obama is on an “apology tour” whenever he travels abroad. But his analysis of the coming century is unrealistic.
There’s just no reason to think the US can dominate the way it did in the immediate post-WWII period when the rest of the world was devastated. We can accept a changing world or bitch about living in the past. I choose the former.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:46:13pm |
re: #143 wozzablog
Nothing to stop you and I completely agree - this Supreme Court will go down in history as one of the worst ever because of it.
agreed, at least until some Very Valuable Corporate Persons start airbrushing history :D
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:46:21pm |
re: #145 BishopX
As an aside, corporations exist as entities because society permits them to. There is no constitutional right to form a corporation. Corporations are explicitly formed to allow investors to limit there exposure to risk (i.e. the investors other assets can’t be seized to pay the corporations debts and investors can’t be jailed for crimes committed by the corporate officers in their name). Because this is a economically useful thing we allow corporations to exist. If we as a society decide that this social contract (corporations exist to make money and shouldn’t be doing anything else) is no longer working, we are free to change the laws regarding incorporation.
Corporations are not a pillar of capitalism, they are a useful legal device for a more efficient market. That’s it.
That’s pretty much what Wealth of Nations says.
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:46:45pm |
re: #723 The Ghost of a Flea
kayfabe
:-)
my new word of the day!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
thanks, flea… uh, ghost… uh…
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:47:08pm |
re: #147 publicityStunted
This is true. Corporations accountable to their shareholders? Not when the top execs can run the company into the ground and make out like robber-barons with their golden parachutes. Parasites killing their hosts FTW!
Did someone say Carly Fiorina? - savior of the economic arguments of the establishment GOP
| 156 |
Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:47:31pm |
re: #151 palomino
What he’s saying sounds great to the “America Fuck Yeah” types and gets them fired up. He’s playing to the same crowd that laps up his accusations that Obama is on an “apology tour” whenever he travels abroad. But his analysis of the coming century is unrealistic.
There’s just no reason to think the US can dominate the way it did in the immediate post-WWII period when the rest of the world was devastated. We can accept a changing world or bitch about living in the past. I choose the former.
Change isn’t something these assholes are big on.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:47:32pm |
re: #150 HoosierHoops
True enough. There are plenty that don’t, and the bigger they are the less they care… its about levels of isolation from reality I think.
The point I was failing to make was that the idea that personhood forces a sense of personal responsibility is silly and false :p
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:48:32pm |
re: #145 BishopX
Corporations are not a pillar of capitalism, they are a useful legal device for a more efficient market. That’s it.
naturally the political party in America that trades on apocalyptic bible-thumping also treats corporatism the same way, like an unassailable religion that Shall Not Be Questioned, mindless dogma to be repeated and celebrated, as ordered to, less one be cast out of the GOP for not being sufficiently pious
Praise God(tm)
| 159 |
Interesting Times Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:48:36pm |
re: #112 goddamnedfrank
I wish you understood how creepy this sounds. You’re laughing at unarmed, unthreatening women being assaulted. They weren’t arrested, they weren’t detained, there’s no evidence that they are breaking any law, but seeing them get maced makes you laugh.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:48:49pm |
re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Counting down until someone points out that his demonic Mormon “God” has no say in the destiny of this country, or some such statement….
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:49:19pm |
re: #86 windsagio
From rereading the fisking here, it just occurred to me.
There’s this impression that OWS might be part of a communist plot to take over… something?
It’d be ludicrous if it weren’t prima facie absurd!
The red-baiting nonsense is only coming from Killgore Trout and the rwnj sites. For everyone else, it’s still too soon to tell/too soon to say. I don’t doubt him on his face - there is plenty of crankage on the left; I document it, myself. But I’ve learned that whenever someone claims “a lefty site” said this or endorsed that, ask for specifics.
I’ve noticed in the case of red-baiting and the OWS, you won’t get any, even when it’s true. Which tells me everything I need to know about that b.s.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:49:56pm |
re: #149 Boyo
got any links where I can combat all this nuttiness?
Here are a couple; good luck!
[Link: www.house.gov…]
[Link: thisnation.com…]
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:49:59pm |
re: #157 windsagio
True enough. There are plenty that don’t, and the bigger they are the less they care… its about levels of isolation from reality I think.
Large corporations are Frankenstein’s monster.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:50:08pm |
Detroit pitcher has a gigantic zit on his cheek on national television and the NYY manager gets the ump to make him take the band-aid off.
Baseball’s getting mean.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:50:49pm |
re: #140 windsagio
Companies don’t feel encumbered to do anything but make money.
Make money for their board and CEO anyways.
Don’t forget the stockholders. They can be an angry mob.
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laZardo Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:51:26pm |
re: #149 Boyo
some one please help..
Im staying in the house of some one who is all alex jonesed out to his very core.
Because of the OWS happening, right now hes got a video playing about the fed and jekyll island and hes convinced that the federal reserve system is private and unconstitutional and criminal…
| 167 |
windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:51:42pm |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh I was explicitly excluding the stockholders. :p
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:52:12pm |
re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Detroit pitcher has a gigantic zit on his cheek on national television and the NYY manager gets the ump to make him take the band-aid off.
Baseball’s getting mean.
don’t pitchers, like, throw balls at batters’ heads and go running out to giant brawls on the mound? :D
First baseball game I ever saw in person had a bench clearing brawl
| 169 |
b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:52:29pm |
The only reason RW demonstrations don’t become violent is because old white men can’t jump.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:52:33pm |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don’t forget the stockholders. They can be an angry mob.
Small stock holders are transient beings.
Small stock holders who care are like hens teeth.
Major corporate investors and pension funds only care about money coming in - soon as it slides they will bail.
No incentives left in the investing system for long term strategic thought at the top of corporations.
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:52:52pm |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don’t forget the stockholders. They can be an angry mob.
Can you cite a specific example of stockholders taking consequential action against corrupt, incompetent, and/or criminal top execs? Serious question. I cannot think of any offhand.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:53:24pm |
re: #168 WindUpBird
first thing I thought was ‘steroids cause zits’
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:53:30pm |
re: #157 windsagio
True enough. There are plenty that don’t, and the bigger they are the less they care… its about levels of isolation from reality I think.
I don’t know bro.. I know our company has put together many powerful green programs…Very forward thinking..
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:54:07pm |
re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Now that is classless.
I freaking hate the Yankees.
I suppose we can’t a UN sanction against them, can we?
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:54:09pm |
re: #173 HoosierHoops
always exceptions of course. It’s certainly a reasonable general trend :p
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:54:11pm |
re: #173 HoosierHoops
I don’t know bro.. I know our company has put together many powerful green programs…Very forward thinking..
Out of genuine care for the environment, or out of enlightened self interest?
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:54:57pm |
re: #173 HoosierHoops
I don’t know bro.. I know our company has put together many powerful green programs…Very forward thinking..
But does the right hand know what the left is doing?
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:55:56pm |
re: #176 wozzablog
Out of genuine care for the environment, or out of enlightened self interest?
Does it matter?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:56:35pm |
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:56:59pm |
Good little rant/essay by the BadArcheology guy, over on the UK Heritage website:
For many people, archaeological evidence – the physical remains of the past – are the ultimate proof of “what happened in history”. Even a radical post-modernist cannot deny the physical existence of objects or buildings, so they can be presented as incontestable relics to be trotted out to prove one’s point and to illustrate the ‘truth’ of assertions about the past.
And this is where the trouble starts. In reality, the remains of the past are highly contestable: witness the uses to which archaeological data have been put by political and religious extremists from Nazi Germany to Hindu fundamentalists, from Christian evangelicals to Bosnian nationalists, and you will soon appreciate how easy it can be to appropriate the past and twist it to suit specific agendas.
Egregious examples like these are easy to spot. It is more insidious when those with less strident aims twist archaeological data to their own ends. Think of the infiltration of popular culture with ideas about the supposed mysteries of Ancient Egyptian pyramids, the existence of ley lines or the drowned continent of Atlantis. Television, especially, accepts many of these ideas uncritically, and promotes them through glossy ‘documentaries’ and more subtly through their incorporation as if fact into drama.
[…]
He goes on with several examples of what we here would label as various extremes of derpitude.
When one looks at the shows Americans (and it’s not just Americans) watch on television, the books they buy, etc. it can be very discouraging, if one cares about reality and getting society to deal with real issues.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:57:30pm |
re: #176 wozzablog
Out of genuine care for the environment, or out of enlightened self interest?
I work for the Japanese.. A sincere concern for our world…
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:57:49pm |
re: #179 b_sharp
Does it matter?
Doing the right thing for the right reasons is it’s own reward.
If a company sets up a program to capitalise on “Green” being “in” and builds it as a financial concern - as soon as “Green” stops being in the program will be dropped.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:58:19pm |
re: #168 WindUpBird
don’t pitchers, like, throw balls at batters’ heads and go running out to giant brawls on the mound? :D
First baseball game I ever saw in person had a bench clearing brawl
Yeah. But make a dude show a zit on national television? When there’s not a football game going on?
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laZardo Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:58:27pm |
re: #182 HoosierHoops
I work for the Japanese.. A sincere concern for our world…
Not for TEPCO, I presume.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:58:53pm |
Anyways, enough of the encore performance. Much to do.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:59:00pm |
re: #182 HoosierHoops
I work for the Japanese.. A sincere concern for our world…
I see that whaling got a green light, again, for this season.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:59:31pm |
re: #182 HoosierHoops
I work for the Japanese.. A sincere concern for our world…
by ‘our world’ I presume you mean to saucy teenagers coming into sticky situations?
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:00:11pm |
re: #188 windsagio
by ‘our world’ I presume you mean to saucy teenagers coming into sticky situations?
They have vending machines for that.
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laZardo Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:01:02pm |
re: #187 freetoken
I see that whaling got a green light, again, for this season.
Something has to keep Godzilla fed until the next battle against Mothra/Ghidorah/etc.
///
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windsagio Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:01:17pm |
re: #189 wozzablog
They have vending machines for that.
I should have thought of that context for ‘sticky’ but…
eww.
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:01:59pm |
re: #183 wozzablog
Doing the right thing for the right reasons is it’s own reward.
If a company sets up a program to capitalise on “Green” being “in” and builds it as a financial concern - as soon as “Green” stops being in the program will be dropped.
Not much chance of ‘green’ going away as long as the effects of going ‘brown’ keep screwing us.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:08:37pm |
Jon Stewart doing a nice job of detailing Sarah Palin’s last scam, via a two-weeks-ago solicitation letter from SarahPac to her loyal suckers contributors.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:08:52pm |
In what looks like another outgrowth of the old ScienceBlogs gang, there is a new website called Planet 3.0 that looks to service the environmentalist/Progressive writers, especially with concerns about public consumption of science of AGW, etc. May be worth checking out once and a while.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:11:39pm |
re: #153 The Ghost of a Flea
That’s pretty much what Wealth of Nations says.
Be careful now, it’s blasphemy to talk about what either Adam Smith or Karl Marx really said as opposed to what we’re supposed to believe that they said…
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:12:16pm |
re: #194 freetoken
In what looks like another outgrowth of the old ScienceBlogs gang, there is a new website called Planet 3.0 that looks to service the environmentalist/Progressive writers, especially with concerns about public consumption of science of AGW, etc. May be worth checking out once and a while.
Already bookmarked thanks. Worth it just for Tobis and Smith.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:14:24pm |
Our Corporation is striving to be the world wide leader in being green and a good community partner.. We have implemented hundreds of green programs globally.. I recall one that I have involved in about 8 years ago…Me and some guys were at the time subject matter experts on bar code technology…We developed a method of imprinting tiny codes on all electronics our company produces.. We trace it by Dbase..If we find it a hundred years from now in a river.. We know who bought it..This encourages 21st Century recycling practices for exotic metals and pollutants.. We are showing leadership and forethought..
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:17:59pm |
re: #197 b_sharp
What we’re seeing, as with the FreeThought blogs, is an interesting development in the blog-o-sphere. The better writers and/or more ardent activists that emerge out of catch-all websites like ScienceBlogs are forming small magazine-like online presences of their own. I wonder if the better online personalities are hoping to avoid being swamped by the noise at the super-sites, or if they want more intellectual control, or property rights (for future use), or….?
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:24:14pm |
re: #200 freetoken
What we’re seeing, as with the FreeThought blogs, is an interesting development in the blog-o-sphere. The better writers and/or more ardent activists that emerge out of catch-all websites like ScienceBlogs are forming small magazine-like online presences of their own. I wonder if the better online personalities are hoping to avoid being swamped by the noise at the super-sites, or if they want more intellectual control, or property rights (for future use), or…?
ScienceBlogs is being taken over (sort of) by National Geographic after being screwed up by management. The people leaving want more control over their work and PZ hasn’t left, he posts at both places. Ed just left SB because he sees no need to post at both places and FT is doing well (finally).
There are quite a few different reasons, but most SB posters were/are pissed about the way it is run (not run).
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:27:57pm |
Drought-stricken Pacific islands down to last few days of water
Tuvalu, the world’s fourth-smallest nation sitting just below the Equator, has declared a state of emergency and is rationing water.
Tuvalu has a collective land mass of just 25 sq km (10 square miles) with its highest point five meters above sea level and is one of the countries most vulnerable to climate change and rising oceans.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:31:05pm |
re: #202 jaunte
More from the Economist:
One canary in the climate-change coalmine may have just quietly fallen from her perch.
…
The drought caused by nearly a year of sparse rainfall has been made worse rising sea levels, which have contaminated the low-lying country’s underground aquifers with salt water.
[Link: www.economist.com…]
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:32:02pm |
re: #202 jaunte
Drought-stricken Pacific islands down to last few days of water
Multiply this situation by 1099 and you’ll have Texas in the next decade or so.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:33:59pm |
re: #204 publicityStunted
I wonder where the people on Tuvalu are going to go?
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:35:25pm |
re: #169 b_sharp
The only reason RW demonstrations don’t become violent is because old white men can’t jump.
Not to be a downer, but…the really nutty ones do their violence in contexts other than protests. Look at the various sovereign citizen shootouts that have occurred in the past three years, or what the Hutaree were planning, or Forde’s Minutemen. Or Scott Roeder.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:36:51pm |
re: #205 jaunte
They are part of the Commonwealth, and I suspect before long they’ll simply emigrate en masse to another Commonwealth nation.
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:38:16pm |
re: #205 jaunte
I wonder where the people on Tuvalu are going to go?
I don’t know. Texans can always invade the Northern states, or *shudder* Canada (you, Lidane, Shiplord and austin_blue are welcome - Perryesque wingnuts must be kept the hell out, even if I have to build the border fence myself!)
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:40:23pm |
re: #207 freetoken
The Economist article says that Australia has turned them down; it looks like New Zealand is helping.
In 2000, the Tuvaluan government appealed to both Australia and New Zealand to take in Tuvaluan residents if rising sea levels reached the point where evacuation would be essential7. The Australian government refused to implement a program to grant Tuvaluan environmental refugees residency in Australia. In response to Tuvalu’s crisis, Immigration Minister Phillip Ruddock stated that accepting environmental refugees from Tuvalu would be “discriminatory”8.
With regard to Australia’s response, Senior Tuvalu official, Mr Paani Laupepa expressed that while New Zealand has helped out their neighbours, “Australia on the other hand has slammed the door in our face”[Link: www.safecom.org.au…]
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:41:31pm |
re: #208 publicityStunted
I was just looking at Franz Joseph Land, but it might be too low.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:41:55pm |
re: #202 jaunte
Drought-stricken Pacific islands down to last few days of water
They could probably sell their vote in the UN to China, or alternating with Russia, for a few supertankers of water per year.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:42:06pm |
re: #208 publicityStunted
I don’t know. Texans can always invade the Northern states, or *shudder* Canada (you, Lidane, Shiplord and austin_blue are welcome - Perryesque wingnuts must be kept the hell out, even if I have to build the border fence myself!)
Wisconsin will blow every bridge on the Mississippi & St. Croix to keep them on that side. //
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:42:54pm |
Yankees Lose! Yankees Lose! I am so happy…
In the morning there will be birds flying by me and Karen singing:
Why do birds
Suddenly appear?
Everytime you are near
Just like me
They long to be
Close to you
Why do Yankees
Fall down from the sky?
Everytime you walk by
Just like me
They long to be
Close to you
I plan on singing in the shower with much joy.. It can’t be a bad day..
The Yankees lost.. Bye baby goodby…
It’s always good when the Yankees fall..
So I’ll be driving to work in the morning with the windows down listening to sports radio with a big smile.. Friday will be a good day…
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:43:15pm |
re: #210 jaunte
The Australians are going through their own immigration kerfluffle because of various factors that have played into their domestic politics (such as treatment of detainees.) I wonder if deep down the Australians are afraid that their continent is the one all of Asia is eyeing as the last place to conquer/plunder/take-refuge.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:44:44pm |
re: #212 Naso Tang
They could probably sell their vote in the UN to China, or alternating with Russia, for a few supertankers of water per year.
I think the phrase climate refugee is going to be cropping up a lot in the next decade if this keeps up.
…shit. I have no meaningful skills to stop this from happening.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:45:17pm |
re: #210 jaunte
Considering the size of the US, we could take them all in without noticing.
Australia has big race issues. New Zealand is better in that regard
As Canada is to the US, New Zealand is to Australia.
EDIT: OH YEAH!!!!! DETROIT WINS 3-2!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D
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Achilles Tang Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:46:19pm |
re: #216 The Ghost of a Flea
I think the phrase climate refugee is going to be cropping up a lot in the next decade if this keeps up.
…shit. I have no meaningful skills to stop this from happening.
Well, the highest point in Florida is 300 feet, and it ain’t a big point either.
Did I mention mine is about 6 feet?
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:46:50pm |
re: #217 ProLifeLiberal
Considering the size of the US, we could take them all in without noticing.
Yeah, Texas has lots of open space.
Oh no, would we do that to them?
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:46:51pm |
re: #217 ProLifeLiberal
Looks like New Zealand is prepared:
The Pacific Access Category (PAC) is an immigration deal that was formed in 2001 between the governments of Tuvalu, Fiji, Kiribati, Tonga and New Zealand4, to enable environmental refugees who are displaced from their homes by the effects of climate change to move to a less vulnerable environment. Each country has been allocated a set quota of citizens who can be granted residency in New Zealand each year. The PAC allows 75 residents each from Tuvalu and Kiribati, whereas Tonga and Fiji have a quota of 2505.
Following the Australian government’s refusal to accept any Tuvaluan environmental refugees, New Zealand agreed to accept the entire Tuvaluan population of 11,000.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:48:27pm |
re: #219 freetoken
Yeah, Texas has lots of open space.
Oh no, would we do that to them?
No water there either.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:49:21pm |
re: #220 jaunte
Good of New Zealand! They deserve a cookie.
Still, just 11k. That’s not even register-able in gain terms for the US. Hell, we probably gain that or so in a week.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:50:09pm |
re: #220 jaunte
Forgot the link: [Link: www.safecom.org.au…]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 6, 2011 8:56:55pm |
re: #6 SteelPH
Close friend of mine attempted suicide. Was able to stop her with the help of another friend and now she is currently getting help. I’m still worried sick about her though..
Damn good that you were there to help.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:00:13pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:00:29pm |
re: #222 ProLifeLiberal
Good of New Zealand! They deserve a cookie.
Still, just 11k. That’s not even register-able in gain terms for the US. Hell, we probably gain that or so in a week.
I worry less about the raw numbers—though they may eventually become an issue in regions with less infrastructure—but rather how this will come down culturally. Refugees always take flak, but as this scales up in intensity they’re going to be more NIMBYism, more nativism, and quite likely a big jump in open prejudice. There’s a converse threat of ideologues exploiting desperate people, too: Africa’s already got fundies hunting witches and local chieftains playing jihadi…add drought and all that’s going to inflate.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:03:00pm |
Lawrence O’Donnell: In your book you write - the book you’re selling down there at barnes & noble today, “the civil rights movement was a few years in front of me. I was too young to participate when they first started the freedom rides and the sit-ins, so on a day-to-day basis it didn’t have an impact. I just kept going to school, doing what I was supposed to do, and stayed out of trouble. I didn’t go downtown and try to participate in sit-ins, counter to our real feelings, we decided to avoid trouble by moving to the back of the bus when the driver told us to. Dad always said, ‘stay out of trouble’ and we did.” Where do you think black people would be sitting on the bus today if rosa parks had followed your father’s advice?Hermain Cain: My father was not given Rosa Parks’ advice. Here again, Lawrence, you are distorting the intent of what I said. I was a high school student. The college students were doing the sit-ins. The college students were doing the freedom rides. If I had been a college student in the in the 10th or 11th grade, you’re under 18 years of age, you didn’t need to get arrested and be in the middle of that, that was the intent of what I said relative to me not being involved. Now, I was impacted by that on a daily basis simply because I was living in Atlanta, Georgia when all of this was going on. It was not prudent, this is what my dad meant. It was not prudent for a high school student to be in the middle of what was going on in terms of those demonstrations. And thanks to Rosa Parks, yes, she struck a chord with a lot of people that helped to lead to the desegregation of the buses as well as she was a big part of the whole civil rights movement. And we are very grateful to her for that.
O’ Donnell: Mr. Cain, in fact, you were in college from 1963 to 1967, at the height of the civil rights movement, exactly when the most important demonstrations and protests were going on. You could easily as a student at Morehouse between 1963 and 1967 actively have participated in the kinds of protests that got african-americans the rights they enjoy today. You watched from that perspective at Morehouse when you were not participating in those processes. You watched black college students from around the country and white college students from around the country come to the south and be murdered, fighting for the rithts of african-americans. Do you regret sitting on those sidelines at that time?
Cain: Lawrence, your attempt to say that I sat on the sidelines is an irrelevant comparison that you’re trying to deduce from that particular -
O’Donnell: It’s in your book
Cain: - point in time
O’Donnell: It’s in your book.
Cain: Now Lawrence, I know what’s in my book. Now let me ask you a question. Did you expect every black student and every black college in American to be out there in the middle of every fight? The answer is no. So for you to say why was I sitting on the sidelines, I think that that is an inaccurate deduction that you are trying to make. You didn’t know Lawrence what I was doing with the rest of my life. You didn’t know what my family situation may have been. Maybe, just maybe I had a sick relative, which is why I might not have been sitting in or doing the freedom rides. So what I’m saying, Lawrence, is with all due respect, my friend, your deduction is incorrect and it’s not logical. Okay?
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:03:32pm |
re: #226 The Ghost of a Flea
That is going to be an issue.
We have to rein in our own fundies here from poisoning the well, so to speak.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:05:04pm |
re: #227 goddamnedfrank
Wow, what a damn coward.
Doesn’t even fight for his rights, and want to take our rights away. What a sad pitiful man.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:05:54pm |
re: #222 ProLifeLiberal
Good of New Zealand! They deserve a cookie.
Still, just 11k. That’s not even register-able in gain terms for the US. Hell, we probably gain that or so in a week.
We could do it, but they may want to stay in the region.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:07:02pm |
re: #225 ProLifeLiberal
Where have you been? I didn’t see you yesterday?
Oh and:
DETROIT WON!!!
I was taking care of some paperwork for my job last night. I’m still working on that tonight, so posting may be a bit light.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:08:32pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:09:04pm |
re: #228 ProLifeLiberal
That is going to be an issue.
We have to rein in our own fundies here from poisoning the well, so to speak.
If you look at what they’re pressuring governments to do in Africa…and how their own local clergy have basically become feudal powers with their own thugs…it gives you a picture of what they’re imagining when they conceive of “Dominion.” The witch hunting…which includes the beating and incarceration of “witch children” by clerics that perform exorcisms…it makes my head hurt.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:11:18pm |
re: #229 ProLifeLiberal
Wow, what a god-damn coward.
Doesn’t even fight for his rights, and want to take our rights away. What a sad pitiful man.
The weirdest thing is how at the end he contextualizes his non-participation in terms of the hypothetical case of a sick relative. He doesn’t assert that this is actually the case and O’Donnell goes on to point out that he never mentions this theoretical sick person in his book, Cain just throws the potential idea out there as some kind of logical money-wrench. It’s really strange.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:12:58pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:16:19pm |
re: #232 ProLifeLiberal
Laura Ingraham is saying something stupid about Obama and Cain.
A few threads ago talking with Sergey I was trying to explain that the nastiness of being mixed race was that your racial identity wasn’t yours to define, and that those in hegemony (generally white folks) were entitled to alter your label as they saw fit…usually allowing you to be white until you displeasing them, at which time you went back to being black.
Here we have an interesting example of the same: Ingraham feels entitled to make the call on Obama’s identity as black, white, or mixed (according to her criterion), and to be the arbiter of Cain’s “authentic” blackness. Of course, it’s all opportunism with a racial edge: tomorrow he’ll be an angry black man again.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:21:53pm |
re: #236 The Ghost of a Flea
She’s just an idiotic clown.
Of course, there’s a much more nasty insult I could/want to use. But it would get me in trouble.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:26:58pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:27:48pm |
re: #237 ProLifeLiberal
She’s just an idiotic clown.
Of course, there’s a much more nasty insult I could/want to use. But it would get me in trouble.
Don’t. Laura Ingraham makes mistakes, but she’s not an evil person.
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palomino Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:30:43pm |
re: #241 Dark_Falcon
Don’t. Laura Ingraham makes mistakes, but she’s not an evil person.
Not evil, but really dumb and a propagandist. She’s one of the foremost pushers of the idiotic meme that there’s a “war on Christmas” in America. She’s also been a very willing participant in furthering the smears against Obama, both on Fox News and on her radio show. She’s a tool.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:33:22pm |
Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:34:53pm |
re: #232 ProLifeLiberal
Laura Ingraham is saying something stupid about Obama and Cain.
Yet another FAIL wrt genetics by the backwards crowd. If Cain would do a full genome test I bet we would discover that he has some parts of his genome that come from post neolithic European populations.
Ingraham’s doing the old racist purity test - the one-drop-of-blood-think kind of thing.
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garhighway Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:35:00pm |
re: #241 Dark_Falcon
Don’t. Laura Ingraham makes mistakes, but she’s not an evil person.
You know this how, exactly?
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:35:28pm |
Searching for Arctic refuges, I ran across the Svalbard Seed Vault.
Very cool, both literally, and in a James Bond Botanist kind of way:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:36:10pm |
re: #242 palomino
Not evil, but really dumb and a propagandist. She’s one of the foremost pushers of the idiotic meme that there’s a “war on Christmas” in America. She’s also been a very willing participant in furthering the smears against Obama, both on Fox News and on her radio show. She’s a tool.
Now, now, you’re giving good hard working high carbon steel a bad name there.
What?
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:37:28pm |
ingraham cultivates that sarcastic snotty high school student style perfected by anne coulter
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:38:11pm |
re: #237 ProLifeLiberal
She’s just an idiotic clown.
Of course, there’s a much more nasty insult I could/want to use. But it would get me in trouble.
If it was her alone, I’d be less irritable. But the degree and frequency with which race is deployed against the president pisses me off independent of any feeling I have about him politically.
re: #241 Dark_Falcon
Don’t. Laura Ingraham makes mistakes, but she’s not an evil person.
She’s being opportunistic, sly, high-handed, and privileged. She’s making lazy assumptions, pandering to an audience demographic, and assuming a right to assign and interpret the authenticity of a person’s identity.
And the fact that she’s arguing racial identity as determined by blood quantum is creepy last-century shit. She might as well bust out the calipers and the color swatches.
Not evil.
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palomino Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:39:12pm |
re: #248 engineer dog
ingraham cultivates that sarcastic snotty high school student style perfected by anne coulter
She’s a Coulter wanna-be and she dated Keith Olbermann. She’s just kinda gross from every angle.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:39:48pm |
re: #249 The Ghost of a Flea
And the fact that she’s arguing racial identity as determined by blood quantum is creepy last-century shit. She might as well bust out the calipers and the color swatches.
Concur.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:40:33pm |
There is some sort of party in the lower floors of the apartment.
Me and sleep will not be together till later.
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palomino Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:43:27pm |
re: #249 The Ghost of a Flea
Well said.
Millions of Americans have one white and one black parent. Is Ingraham really saying these people are wrong if they consider themselves black? That she will determine what their race really is? Who the fuck does she think she is?
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:44:22pm |
re: #252 ProLifeLiberal
Apparently, the apartment downstairs (exchange students) are having a party (related to OU-Texas).
Nice people. Offered for me to come in and have a drink. Being a Muslim whose Autism makes sensory overload easy, I had to refuse, but thanked her for the offer.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:45:02pm |
Gotta go splat. Take care all and have a good night.
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:45:33pm |
re: #250 palomino
She’s a Coulter wanna-be and she dated Keith Olbermann. She’s just kinda gross from every angle.
i once saw her on chris matthews. matthews gave her a very generous plug for her new book that she was there to flog, immediately after which she was very rude to him
i’m thinking she’s not getting invited back
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:46:10pm |
re: #253 palomino
Well said.
Millions of Americans have one white and one black parent. Is Ingraham really saying these people are wrong if they consider themselves black? That she will determine what their race really is? Who the fuck does she think she is?
Does anyone remember a Dave Chappelle show where there was an event in which various ethnic groups could claim people as theirs?
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jaunte Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:46:20pm |
re: #254 ProLifeLiberal
I thought the game isn’t until the 8th. That’s a long pre-game session.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:48:18pm |
re: #254 ProLifeLiberal
Apparently, the apartment downstairs (exchange students) are having a party (related to OU-Texas).
Nice people. Offered for me to come in and have a drink. Being a Muslim whose Autism makes sensory overload easy, I had to refuse, but thanked her for the offer.
For times when overload isn’t as big of a concern, or you need to make friendly with people anyway, don’t forget a lot of these folks have juice to use as a mixer so having an OJ in the right shaped glass can help you fit in.
Now, I’m really gone. G’night!
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:48:35pm |
re: #258 jaunte
We have a 3 day vacation. School is always cancelled the Friday before the game.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:49:04pm |
re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist
Does anyone remember a Dave Chappelle show where there was an event in which various ethnic groups could claim people as theirs?
The racial draft sketch.
The end, where the Asians choose the entire Wu Tang Clan was hysterical.
That and the World Series of Dice.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 9:49:41pm |
re: #259 wlewisiii
I’ve found they usually have soda too, so I usually take that. Drunk people are interesting.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:06:36pm |
re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist
Does anyone remember a Dave Chappelle show where there was an event in which various ethnic groups could claim people as theirs?
The racial draft sketch, where the asian delegation picks Wu Tang Clan.
[edit] Damn, beaten by The Ghost of a Flea
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:09:49pm |
re: #264 ggt
I killed the thread, again!
No, I just had a computer crash and couldn’t answer right away.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:10:35pm |
re: #266 Dark_Falcon
No, I just had a computer crash and couldn’t answer right away.
I crashed your computer?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:12:56pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:13:43pm |
re: #265 goddamnedfrank
The racial draft sketch, where the asian delegation picks Wu Tang Clan.
[edit] Damn, beaten by The Ghost of a Flea
I shall engage in noblesse oblige and allow you to be amused as well…
(no, seriously—The Wu Tang Clan bit. Was. Genius. A rare case of something from TV that I can recall so vividly I start laughing all over again.)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:13:54pm |
re: #267 ggt
I crashed your computer?
No. It just happened. But I’m making sure things are OK, so that it does not recur. It was a ‘soft’ crash.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:15:37pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:15:54pm |
re: #268 Dark_Falcon
I find it somewhat hard to consider a lion cub cute, given that I know she’ll grow up to be a beast able to tear a human to pieces.
Then they’ll be beautiful. And dangerous.
Now they’re just cuddly and adorable.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:22:38pm |
re: #268 Dark_Falcon
I find it somewhat hard to consider a lion cub cute, given that I know she’ll grow up to be a beast able to tear a human to pieces.
The same could be said for a human baby …
How can you not call this cute? Little snarl!
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:27:47pm |
re: #271 ProLifeLiberal
You’ve never seen this.
I’ve heard of that video, but didn’t realize it was quite so…long…of a contact. The fact they’re hanging around with other lions is just stunning.
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:31:12pm |
re: #273 ggt
The same could be said for a human baby …
How can you not call this cute? Little snarl!
if i could breed puddies that stayed kitten sized i would be a mongo-trazillionaire
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Kronocide Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:35:45pm |
I’ve been out slingin tools for a few days but a really deep thought about Jobs has been brewing. My business/profession is related to home technology so there are many parallels to what Apple does and my own business. I posted this in a private professional forum a few moments ago, in a thread discussing the comparison between Edison and Jobs:
I heard the Edison comparison. If you’re talking of impact in their era then it’s worth discussing. However, Edison was a real inventor and Jobs was a big picture guy.
But more importantly, Jobs legacy is not how and why he marshaled Apple. He did pretty good at that. His biggest legacy is one all of us here need to consider.
He created the products and the brand from the user experience backward.
Many in Silicon Valley focused on technology and thought of things they could do with it, the business people thought of how to create a business selling it, the marketing people thought of ways to market products.
Jobs’ inherent philosophy was to think of the user experience then work on creating the technology and company to make it happen. While I sometimes frown upon the disruption the iPad has made in our industry but at the same time respect the positives, my deepest respect for Jobs is how he thought of the human interface first then proceeded from there.
As much as I curse Apple at times, Jobs’ philosophy has really burned in good lesson that will stay with me for some time. Hopefully I never forget it.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:38:28pm |
re: #277 BigPapa
I think the Edison-Jobs comparison being done by many is appropriate. Edison too was a businessman, and some of the inventions attributed to him were done in his lab by his employees. Edison knew how to exploit smart people and market, just like Jobs.
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Kronocide Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:44:41pm |
re: #278 freetoken
I think the Edison-Jobs comparison being done by many is appropriate. Edison too was a businessman, and some of the inventions attributed to him were done in his lab by his employees. Edison knew how to exploit smart people and market, just like Jobs.
Yah, an good look at that might further that thought. I always felt that Woz (in the early days) was the real inventor and Jobs was the one with the vision.
We don’t have quite the volume of depth looking into Edison the man as we do Jobs. But it is very inspiring to me in my profession that Jobs really thought of the user experience backwards as opposed to ‘tech/stuff/does this’ forwards. Many of my very talented brethren in my trade seem to forget this.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:47:24pm |
re: #278 freetoken
I think the Edison-Jobs comparison being done by many is appropriate. Edison too was a businessman, and some of the inventions attributed to him were done in his lab by his employees. Edison knew how to exploit smart people and market, just like Jobs.
True.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:49:06pm |
DF, we needed you last night to man the BBQ—I brought the garlic, but you weren’t there …
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:52:14pm |
re: #281 ggt
DF, we needed you last night to man the BBQ—I brought the garlic, but you weren’t there …
What happened?
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:54:52pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Two to three morons came in and started trolling.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 10:56:10pm |
re: #279 BigPapa
Many of my very talented brethren in my trade seem to forget this.
I think many people involved in IT in one way or another get caught up in the gadgetry of it all and forget that humans are driven by their five senses and not the gee-whiz techno-lust.
We humans like things that look good and feel good.
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Kronocide Thu, Oct 6, 2011 11:01:23pm |
re: #284 freetoken
I think many people involved in IT in one way or another get caught up in the gadgetry of it all and forget that humans are driven by their five senses and not the gee-whiz techno-lust.
We humans like things that look good and feel good.
Not to irony-pun, but it’s human nature to get caught up in the technology.
I have a saying I’ve made for myself when doing system design: the human is part of the system. Most in technology forget this, they think of every other part except the human.
The human is itself many parts: the eyes, ears, brain, fingers, emotions. I only think it natural to think of speakers/TV’s/remote controls/touchpads/eyes/ears/brain/fingers.
If there is inefficiency between the user/brain and the technology/interface then the system bogs down.
I think Jobs inherently knew this.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 6, 2011 11:04:01pm |
re: #285 BigPapa
Agree that Jobs was interested in the total experience for his customer.
Will write more upstairs.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 6, 2011 11:05:04pm |
re: #283 ProLifeLiberal
Two to three morons came in and started trolling.
Sorry I missed it. But needs must when the Devil drives. I had to get my work done. The good news is that the thing I was working on is now done.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 6, 2011 11:32:47pm |
re: #283 ProLifeLiberal
Two to three morons came in and started trolling.
I thought it was just two. The Tyson nut that Charles said was Alaska Kim again, and the SanFernando one.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 6, 2011 11:40:45pm |
re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist
I thought it was just two. The Tyson nut that Charles said was Alaska Kim again, and the SanFernando one.
I left after the first one. Too exciting for me.
:)
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boxhead Thu, Oct 6, 2011 11:44:38pm |
re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist
I thought it was just two. The Tyson nut that Charles said was Alaska Kim again, and the SanFernando one.
SanFernando was not so bad. Not belligerent, nor blatantly stupid. mildly amusing to play with. like an old toy you find and after 30 minutes or so you toss it.
heheh
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 6, 2011 11:51:38pm |
re: #234 goddamnedfrank
The weirdest thing is how at the end he contextualizes his non-participation in terms of the hypothetical case of a sick relative. He doesn’t assert that this is actually the case and O’Donnell goes on to point out that he never mentions this theoretical sick person in his book, Cain just throws the potential idea out there as some kind of logical money-wrench. It’s really strange.
I hope the press grills every other candidate of Cain’s age, on that topic.
/hey, I can dream, right?
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