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1 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:46:41pm

A terrible sight to see. Recovery will take a good while from this.

But New Jersey will recover.

2 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:48:36pm

So many people will have lost so much. Goddamn. I'm not a materialistic guy, but the hardship that represents, and the lost family memories, the lost scrapbooks and memorabilia and letters and all that. Both of those get me. There are people who aren't going to recover from this, this'll financially break them. I wish we had a better social safety net, where people didn't have to fear random chance so much.

3 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:51:17pm

Romney: These people can always go to the emergency room, and get a free can of creamed corn!

4 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:51:26pm

It's like looking at Katrina all over again. The clean-up is gonna be absolutely horrendous.

5 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:53:39pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

It's like looking at Katrina all over again. The clean-up is gonna be absolutely horrendous.

Not quite. I know everyone is really suffering and many died, but damn, I'm not looking at a dead senior in their wheelchair on the side of the road.

Done way better this time.

6 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:55:35pm
7 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:55:58pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

It's like looking at Katrina all over again. The clean-up is gonna be absolutely horrendous.

The good news is that far fewer people died and the help the survivors receiver will be far better organized. Both state and federal officials learned a great deal from Katrina. The lesson cost far too much to learn, but it has been learned and we're doing better.

8 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:59:59pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Both state and federal officials learned a great deal from Katrina.

Yeah, put people who know what they're doing in charge.

9 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:02:50pm

I'm probably going to post photos later, showing the scene from Northern NJ (Ridgewood, Fair Lawn, Glen Rock, Paramus). Lots of downed trees, storm damage, and storm response. It's going to be a monster effort to deal with a monster storm.

Hoboken mayor had called for an evacuation of everyone living on basements/first floor locations throughout the city ahead of the storm surge. That was the absolute right call considering the flooding that Hoboken saw.

From the sound of it, the damage washed all the way up to Washington, which is one of the major N/S routes (cake Boss' Carlo's Bakery is located there). The south end of Hoboken abuts Hoboken Terminal and the Erie Lackawanna ferry terminal/PATH/HBLR station.

All are flooded out. No ETA on restored service to HBLR and NJ Transit and they figure 7-10 days for PATH.

But back in Hoboken, the damage is widespread and the Fire Department lost equipment when the flood waters came into the station nearest to Hoboken Terminal - including the city's command vehicle, hazmat response vehicle, a Marine Division Durango and a van used to transport “firefighters are all under five feet of water.”. Equipment used to fill breathing apparatus was under water meaning that they had to get air from Jersey City.

The Hoboken municipal garage was also flooded out. No ETA on when that will be dried out. Ongoing concern about live wires and downed lines too.

We saw plenty of those around our neck of Northern NJ.

10 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:02:55pm

re: #8 Mocking Jay

Yeah, put people who know what they're doing in charge.

Brownie, such a disgrace. Cannot believe he popped his ass hole head up today. Egomaniac.

Actually the tweets/comments of the several egomaniacs today really showed their vileness. see: Trump.

11 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:05:03pm
12 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:06:01pm

With no disrespect for anyone here-I can't look at this and think election anything. This could be any of us in the shape of our geography. My neck of the woods gets earthquakes. Some fear rivers flooding or fires. But this, well this is all of us.

Right where I grew up and live today-The Northridge earthquake killed some and destroyed many dwellings, FEMA and California and LA County and LA City all stepped up. So did the locals. The Red Cross. Anyway this is the same thing. Now we respond to the disaster as we best can.

The benefits and help were far too much to list here. Some said too much. But ask anyone who was here. Everyone stepped up.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:07:20pm

re: #11 Mocking Jay

Breezy Point used to be a summer bungalow colony, but it has become a year-round residential neighborhood. Lots of working class families including firefighters and police. It's painful to watch all that damage.

14 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:08:20pm

re: #6 Interesting Times

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Once again, it was damned if he did, damned if he didn't for Obama. If he responded quickly, there would be demands for why he didn't respond so quickly to Benghazi, if he took "too long," they'd accuse him of not taking the disaster "seriously."

15 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:09:19pm

re: #8 Mocking Jay

Yeah, put people who know what they're doing in charge.

It's more than that. Katrina's aftermath was extensively studied, by all levels of emergency management agency. They all derived lessons about who needs to do what and what equipment is needed and are now putting those lessons to use. Better leadership matters, but as has often been shown, better preparation is also making its mark.

16 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:13:19pm

re: #12 Daniel Ballard

With no disrespect for anyone here-I can't look at this and think election anything. This could be any of us in the shape of our geography. My neck of the woods gets earthquakes. Some fear rivers flooding or fires. But this, well this is all of us.

Right where I grew up and live today-The Northridge earthquake killed some and destroyed many dwellings, FEMA and California and LA County and LA City all stepped up. So did the locals. The Red Cross. Anyway this is the same thing. Now we respond to the disaster as we best can.

The benefits and help were far too much to list here. Some said too much. But ask anyone who was here. Everyone stepped up.

Yeah, I haven't been thinking about the election at all today. It just feels so incredibly distant. Not much I can do about it anyway.

17 gwangung  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:14:25pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

It's more than that. Katrina's aftermath was extensively studied, by all levels of emergency management agency. They all derived lessons about who needs to do what and what equipment is needed and are now putting those lessons to use. Better leadership matters, but as has often been shown, better preparation is also making its mark.

I think this was a lesson learned before; each disaster teaches us new things for successors to take to heart.

On the other hand, I think the Bush Administration seemed to not want to learn from history, and I'm afraid modern Republicans are much like that in their approach to governance.

18 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:14:27pm

Oh how lovely. Now Romney supporters are sending out unsolicited text messages en masse filled with RWNJ derp:

There are piles more where this came from, I'm seeing all kinds of reports.

19 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:15:55pm
20 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:16:37pm

re: #18 Interesting Times

Oh how lovely. Now Romney supporters are sending out unsolicited text messages en masse filled with RWNJ derp:

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There are piles more where this came from, I'm seeing all kinds of reports.

That's all they've got.

21 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:16:59pm

I'm curious to see if any of the Congressional TPers will be stupid enough to stand up and declare that all federal aid has to be "offset" and "paid for."

22 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:17:32pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

Once again, it was damned if he did, damned if he didn't for Obama. If he responded quickly, there would be demands for why he didn't respond so quickly to Benghazi, if he took "too long," they'd accuse him of not taking the disaster "seriously."

We have a lot to be thankful for as far as the meteorologists are concerned. Had the forecast been off a lot more people could be suffering or dead. Mass transit could be in much worse than it already is had it not been shut down so early. This was on the nose, and they deserve a lot of credit for it.

23 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:17:33pm

re: #11 Mocking Jay

Does anyone know what caused this fire at Breezy Point?

24 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:18:33pm
25 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:18:44pm

re: #23 Joanne

Does anyone know what caused this fire at Breezy Point?

I haven't heard anything. Most likely an electrical fire of some sort?

26 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:23:29pm

re: #18 Interesting Times

Oh how lovely. Now Romney supporters are sending out unsolicited text messages en masse filled with RWNJ derp:

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There are piles more where this came from, I'm seeing all kinds of reports.

@StevenErtelt and @keder are spamming this shit all over Twitter.

27 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:24:11pm

re: #25 Mocking Jay

I haven't heard anything. Most likely an electrical fire of some sort?

I believe it was ruptured gas lines, and FDNY was hindered by floodwaters.

28 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:25:44pm

re: #27 Sheila Broflovski

I believe it was ruptured gas lines, and FDNY was hindered by floodwaters.

Ah.

29 ninja cat  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:26:38pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

I'd personally pay to fly one of them up to Christie or Cuomo right now and trot that line out face to face.

30 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:26:58pm

Fox News talking, you guessed it......Benghazi. With (I believe) John Bolton.

31 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:27:23pm

re: #30 JamesWI

Fox News talking, you guessed it......Benghazi. With (I believe) John Bolton.

Priorities are in order, I see.

32 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:28:46pm

re: #23 Joanne

Probably downed power lines, ruptured gas lines and/or transformer explosion started the fires; flooding made it impossible to stop once it started spreading to adjacent homes.

33 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:29:10pm

The odds are much better than even that this hurricane is a result of climate change. But it looks like nobody wants to talk about that.

34 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:30:30pm

OH SNAP LGF

35 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:31:26pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The odds are much better than even that this hurricane is a result of climate change. But it looks like nobody wants to talk about that.

I shudder to think that this year's weather is the new normal. Tornadoes and superstorms.

36 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:34:06pm

re: #35 makeitstop

I shudder to think that this year's weather is the new normal. Tornadoes and superstorms.

Don't forget the droughts.
I'm afraid of what winter is going to bring.

37 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:34:18pm

re: #35 makeitstop

Where we fail to correct ourselves nature corrects us.

38 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:34:18pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The odds are much better than even that this hurricane is a result of climate change. But it looks like nobody wants to talk about that.

I heard that Cuomo brought it up today.

39 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:35:03pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The odds are much better than even that this hurricane is a result of climate change. But it looks like nobody wants to talk about that.

Well, the climate change deniers are certainly have their talking points in order. And you're a terrible person, aka a liberal, who's politicizing tragedy for mentioning the double-C words. The responsible thing to do would be to declare this an Act of God (in retaliation for rampant muff-diving and buttsex).

It was a Lone Wolf weather pattern.

40 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:35:25pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

I've seen several things today. Hardball had a segment that was really good. I saw a couple of others today while the news was on in the background. I can't speak to the networks as I never watch them, but cable has definitely addressed it. For his long...probably only until the water recedes and Ssndy is but a distant memory.

41 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:35:46pm

Confirm for me, this is the dude that lied and said the Coney Island hospital was on fire?

42 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:36:05pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The odds are much better than even that this hurricane is a result of climate change. But it looks like nobody wants to talk about that.

Haven't yet watched the video, but this sounds like a sliver of progress:

43 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:37:18pm

nobody likes to be "corrected", it seems very unpleasant.

Youtube Video
44 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:39:29pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

nobody likes to be "corrected", it seems very unpleasant.

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??? Huh?

45 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:40:07pm

re: #39 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, the climate change deniers are certainly have their talking points in order. And you're a terrible person, aka a liberal, who's politicizing tragedy for mentioning the double-C words. The responsible thing to do would be to declare this an Act of God (in retaliation for rampant muff-diving and buttsex).

It was a Lone Wolf weather pattern.

If those religious folks wanted to keep it real, they would note that humans were supposed to be stewards of the Earth, and we have failed miserably.
Maybe that's why God is pissed.
Just sayin'.

46 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:40:16pm

re: #41 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

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Confirm for me, this is the dude that lied and said the Coney Island hospital was on fire?

He's singing a different tune now.

47 Lidane  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:40:44pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The odds are much better than even that this hurricane is a result of climate change. But it looks like nobody wants to talk about that.

How many debates did we have? Climate change was never mentioned at all.

Biggest, most obvious issue that affects everyone and not a single goddamn word anywhere. Shameful.

48 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:41:37pm

re: #46 Mocking Jay

He's singing a different tune now.

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What a loser. He controlled lots of money on WS.

Makes sense.

49 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:41:41pm

re: #41 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Yes; that's the one - and he claimed all kinds of exaggerated destruction and mayhem elsewhere in NYC metro.

50 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:42:19pm

re: #45 Reverend Mother Ramallo

If those religious folks wanted to keep it real, they would note that humans were supposed to be stewards of the Earth, and we have failed miserably.
Maybe that's why God is pissed.
Just sayin'.

And just a note, I am not religious at all.

51 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:42:35pm

re: #42 Interesting Times

Okay, I did watch. Though it's a short Nightly News clip, it's probably the best AGW coverage I've seen from a major network this year. They actually come right out and say things like "carbon dioxide warms the air and the oceans", and that warming oceans contribute to sea level rise and greater storm surge.

52 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:42:50pm

re: #46 Mocking Jay

re: #49 lawhawk

And now he's demanding an apology from Andrew/Buzzfeed?

WTF?

53 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:44:03pm

re: #44 Joanne

??? Huh?

Was intended as a reply to RWC's #37 but I fucked up the formatting.

54 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:44:14pm

re: #52 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

That's an older tweet that you posted.

55 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:44:16pm

re: #52 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

re: #49 lawhawk

And now he's demanding an apology from Andrew/Buzzfeed?

WTF?

OK, someone prob re-tweeted the before busted apology demand.

Then they discovered who this Ass Hole was.

56 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:44:36pm

re: #46 Mocking Jay

He's singing a different tune now.

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He did wrong, and that's a fact. He had to resign, but unlike some others he at least made a proper apology, and admitted his wrongdoing. Note to politicians: This is how you apologize for screwing up, complete, contrite, and without equivocation.

57 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:44:47pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Was intended as a reply to RWC's #37 but I fucked up the formatting.

Of course.

And you are behind.

58 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:45:06pm

Andrew can't apologize for ComfortablySmeg being an ass hole.
...Or can he?

59 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:45:11pm

re: #37 Daniel Ballard

Where we fail to correct ourselves nature corrects us.

Actually, it's the much scarier than that. Nature is indifferent to intentions, aims, and explanations. It does not respond in a way that counters our agency or even recognizes it. We're dodgy gut flora and Nature is the Lovecraftian behemoth who may or may not puke us up.

60 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:45:15pm

re: #49 lawhawk

What a total fucker. He sent FDNY scrambling to get to a place they didn't need to be to respond to a fake disaster while the real one was going on. He should be brought up on charges!

61 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:46:14pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

He did wrong, and that's a fact. He had to resign, but unlike some others he at least made a proper apology, and admitted his wrongdoing. Note to politicians: This is how you apologize for screwing up, complete, contrite, and without equivocation.

An apology in this case means nothing to me. Show contrition. Donate money to the Red Cross. Give blood. Volunteer. Fuck him and his apology. Do something.

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:46:44pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

He did wrong, and that's a fact. He had to resign, but unlike some others he at least made a proper apology, and admitted his wrongdoing. Note to politicians: This is how you apologize for screwing up, complete, contrite, and without equivocation.

Yeah, apologies are great, but do you have any idea the initial havoc this Ass Hole caused? Until the smarts of Twitter caught him.

He basically yelled fire for fun in the social media. FOR FUN.

63 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:47:29pm

re: #41 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

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Confirm for me, this is the dude that lied and said the Coney Island hospital was on fire?

I'm not sure that particular rumor was him. But enough of the rumors were.

And I believe that apology he is asking for is because BuzzFeedAndrew called him out on the NYSE flood lie. Then CNN and the Weather Channel picked up that lie, so he was acting like he deserved an apology.....what a fucking prick. I hope seriously bad things happen to him in his life.

64 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:47:55pm

re: #58 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Andrew can't apologize for ComfortablySmeg being an ass hole.
...Or can he?

@ComfortablySmug: Apologize!
Andrew: OK, I apologize that you're an asshole...

65 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:48:02pm

re: #61 Mocking Jay

Do something? Go to prison!

66 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:48:53pm

re: #65 Joanne

Do something? Go to prison!

If that's in the cards so be it, but I doubt it.

67 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:49:02pm

re: #62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Yeah, apologies are great, but do you have any idea the initial havoc this Ass Hole caused? Until the smarts of Twitter caught him.

He basically yelled fire for fun in the social media. FOR FUN.

And it was shitty and wrong of him. But it was good to see an actual apology, after all of the non-apology apologies one sees in an election year.

68 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:50:21pm

re: #19 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

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Not quite so smug anymore?

69 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:50:40pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

And it was shitty and wrong of him. But it was good to see an actual apology, after all of the non-apology apologies one sees in an election year.

An apology is a nice start, operative word being "start."

70 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:50:54pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

And it was shitty and wrong of him. But it was good to see an actual apology, after all of the non-apology apologies one sees in an election year.

OMG. Not the same, not whatsoever. People were freaking out last night.

It wasn't like creamed corn today.

71 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:51:12pm

How is it here in the ether, lizards? I'm glad I'm not on Staten Island at the mo-mo.

72 Lidane  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:51:26pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

And it was shitty and wrong of him. But it was good to see an actual apology, after all of the non-apology apologies one sees in an election year.

It was more than just shitty and wrong if emergency resources got diverted because of his tweets.

73 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:53:38pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

An apology is a nice start, operative word being "start."

It should have never started.
He's not a twelve year old, and the apology comes only after he's caught.
It was sick.

74 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:53:51pm

re: #72 Lidane

It was more than just shitty and wrong if emergency resources got diverted because of his tweets.

I'm not trying to make excuses for the jerk. He was very wrong and he needs to make amends for his misdeeds. He has said the right words, but as TP pointed out that is only a start. Time will tell if he truly understands how rotten his actions were.

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:54:43pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

And it was shitty and wrong of him. But it was good to see an actual apology, after all of the non-apology apologies one sees in an election year.

Dark, his tweets had nothing to do with the election, therefore not a typical election apology. The dick DID work for the GOP and Romney, bummer for you.

But what he did was not political in any sense, unless your party wants to accept sociopath once removed as a slogan.

That dude freaked me out and many many many others.

76 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:54:46pm

re: #73 Reverend Mother Ramallo

It should have never started.
He's not a twelve year old, and the apology comes only after he's caught.
It was sick.

Agreed, he fucked up big time. An apology is meaningless without a real punishment behind it. Leaving a campaign staff is not it. He deserves some time behind bars.

77 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:55:46pm

re: #72 Lidane

It was more than just shitty and wrong if emergency resources got diverted because of his tweets.

It is definitely possible that the panic caused by some of his rumors led to deaths. Straight up. Whether it was from diverted resources, or just 911/police getting flooded with calls because of his fake stories.

Sorry DF. An "apology" is practically meaningless. Especially since it's almost certain he'd never be apologizing if his anonymity was still intact.

78 Lidane  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:56:43pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

I'm not trying to make excuses for the jerk. He was very wrong and he needs to make amends for his misdeeds. He has said the right words, but as TP pointed out that is only a start. Time will tell if he truly understands how rotten his actions were.

I would think that criminal charges of some sort would help him understand.

I don't know New York law so I won't presume to know what he could be charged with, but there need to be consequences if his tweets caused emergency workers to focus on bogus emergencies that he lied about instead of the real ones they knew of.

79 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:56:49pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

And it was shitty and wrong of him. But it was good to see an actual apology, after all of the non-apology apologies one sees in an election year.

Con Edison workers trapped in a burning power plant. When no such thing was happening. He tweeted that. And you think it acceptable that he be forgiven after just an apology?

80 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:58:04pm
81 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:58:10pm

re: #79 Mocking Jay

Con Edison workers trapped in a burning power plant. When no such thing was happening. He tweeted that. And you think it acceptable that he be forgiven after just an apology?

SOCIOPATH

82 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 7:59:36pm
83 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:00:31pm

re: #81 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

SOCIOPATH

Hedge Fund analy- oh, you already said sociopath...

84 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:01:02pm

re: #82 Interesting Times

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What, no Jonathan Swift?

85 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:02:05pm

re: #80 Joanne

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"Leaked Florida GOP Memo: "Democratic turnout machine is cleaning our clock" dailykos.com/story/2012/10/… Heh heh heh heh. :-D"

I hope to hell we are. Signed up tonight for another trip, just to put a high polish on it.

86 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:02:24pm
87 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:02:34pm

These are truly interesting times...

Disney buys Lucasfilm, plans to release 'Star Wars: Episode 7' in 2015

88 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:02:42pm

re: #73 Reverend Mother Ramallo

It should have never started.
He's not a twelve year old, and the apology comes only after he's caught.
It was sick.

You know, the wingers started off on the internets sooner than the liberals, back in the day. I can remember reading their fevered dreams of convincing everyone to think like they did. Every conservative email was sent, invented meme supported through articulation.

89 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:02:47pm

re: #46 Mocking Jay

He's singing a different tune now.

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What a narcissist.

He can't even just apologize, he has to make the apology something special. What a sick fuck.

90 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:03:01pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

"Leaked Florida GOP Memo: "Democratic turnout machine is cleaning our clock" dailykos.com/story/2012/10/… Heh heh heh heh. :-D"

I hope to hell we are. Signed up tonight for another trip, just to put a high polish on it.

If the memo's true and it holds true, Ohio becomes a sideshow. And if Ohio and Florida both go blue, Willard's going home.

91 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:03:23pm

Conan monologue (paraphrase):

Scientific American editor says storm due to global warming. Fox News says it was two married men kissing in Central Park.

92 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:04:45pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

He did wrong, and that's a fact. He had to resign, but unlike some others he at least made a proper apology, and admitted his wrongdoing. Note to politicians: This is how you apologize for screwing up, complete, contrite, and without equivocation.

That wasn't a proper apology.

93 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:04:52pm

re: #87 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

These are truly interesting times...

Disney buys Lucasfilm, plans to release 'Star Wars: Episode 7' in 2015

If you asked me this morning when I thought I would see another SW film I would've said it would take at least a decade. This took me by surprise.

94 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:05:45pm

re: #89 b_sharp

What a narcissist.

He can't even just apologize, he has to make the apology something special. What a sick fuck.

Also sick because it's diffusing responsibility by suggesting that there are "others" in the same position.

95 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:05:56pm

re: #79 Mocking Jay

Con Edison workers trapped in a burning power plant. When no such thing was happening. He tweeted that. And you think it acceptable that he be forgiven after just an apology?

No, I don't. I do not defend that man's actions in any way, and if fact I did not know the extent of them till just now. He did a great wrong, one for which there will not be any easy atonement.

I do not know if the law considers his actions to be a crime, and I did not remark on that point because I am uncertain. If he did break the law, then he should be held criminally responsible.

96 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:07:41pm

re: #93 Mocking Jay

If you asked me this morning when I thought I would see another SW film I would've said it would take at least a decade. This took me by surprise.

Personally think it's a massive mistake.

97 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:07:57pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

No, I don't. I do not defend that man's actions in any way, and if fact I did not know the extent of them till just now. He did a great wrong, one for which there will not be any easy atonement.

I do not know if the law considers his actions to be a crime, and I did not remark on that point because I am uncertain. If he did break the law, then he should be held criminally responsible.

Yeah, that's why I said I doubt he'd see a jail cell. His tweets had to directly result in a misallocation of resources at the bare minimum.

98 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:08:17pm

Charge him with Reckless Endangerment.

( I got my Law Degree from 'Law and Order' University.)

99 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:08:47pm

re: #87 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

Ep. VII Retirement of the Jedi

100 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:09:00pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

"Leaked Florida GOP Memo: "Democratic turnout machine is cleaning our clock" dailykos.com/story/2012/10/… Heh heh heh heh. :-D"

I hope to hell we are. Signed up tonight for another trip, just to put a high polish on it.

Huge props.

101 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:09:32pm
102 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:09:34pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

Personally think it's a massive mistake.

I don't. Disney is interested in making money, not in indulging Lucas' vision. They rarely make something that's that bad. Rarely. Yeah, I'm looking at you, At World's End...

103 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:09:37pm

NYC Transit Awakens

104 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:09:42pm

re: #99 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Ep. VII Retirement of the Jedi

Jedi breaks a hip.

105 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:10:48pm
106 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:10:50pm

re: #101 Gus

[Embedded content]

It's good strategy for Romney to support FEMA now! It will help him get elected, so it's a good move!

Right, Falc?

107 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:11:57pm

re: #106 Mocking Jay

It's good strategy for Romney to support FEMA now! It will help him get elected, so it's a good move!

Right, Falc?

It's impossible to know where Romney really stands. Ever.

108 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:12:27pm

re: #102 Mocking Jay

I don't. Disney is interested in making money, not in indulging Lucas' vision. They rarely make something that's that bad. Rarely. Yeah, I'm looking at you, At World's End...

They also generally deal in one of two things: Original works or age-old stories which have numerous iterations. They're extremely anal retentive about copyrights, to the point that they're "rereleasing" old movies in new formats (Blu-Ray, 3D) in order to roll over the copyrights for another 10+ years.

I don't think they're gonna be able to work well with a well-establish franchise that relies a great deal on fan input and moves in directions that movie execs can't control. Either the fandom's gonna get get the Trek treatment ("Sorry, but nothing you create anymore is canon"), or reams of C&Ds.

109 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:12:44pm

re: #99 ausador

Ep. VII Retirement of the Jedi

Luke retires and does voice overs for the Space Joker.

110 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:12:55pm

re: #103 prairiefire

NYC Transit Awakens

Yeah. This is going to be that kind of rolling out of bed that I do on my day off. NYC transit hasn't even had it's coffee yet.

111 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:13:51pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

Red Cross had to divert staff to deal with Romney’s phony “relief effort”

112 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:14:27pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

I don't think they're gonna be able to work well with a well-establish franchise that relies a great deal on fan input and moves in directions that movie execs can't control. Either the fandom's gonna get get the Trek treatment ("Sorry, but nothing you create anymore is canon"), or reams of C&Ds.

Ummm...

Disney buys Marvel Entertainment for $4 billion - Aug. 31, 2009

113 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:14:29pm

re: #106 Mocking Jay

It's good strategy for Romney to support FEMA now! It will help him get elected, so it's a good move!

Right, Falc?

It's a practical, but immoral move.
This is the party that consistently claims the moral high ground.

114 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:14:58pm

re: #111 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

They graciously accepted the cans and water and blankets. Had to process them.

What a great fucking businessman.

115 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:15:27pm

An interesting aspect of the Disney purchase of Star Wars intellectual property is that while Lucas is know for being quite relaxed about fan-made material and intellectual property, Disney is know for being extremely protective and bringing in lawyers for infringements as small as a branded product being featured in the background of an ad.

116 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:15:33pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The odds are much better than even that this hurricane is a result of climate change. But it looks like nobody wants to talk about that.

The odds are absolutely certain that climate shifts played a major role in this.

117 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:15:36pm

re: #110 Mocking Jay

All of the regular taxi drivers will be in an even worse mood. Unless they get to stay home, and the owners of the fleets are out there driving.

118 Lidane  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:16:26pm

re: #107 Gus

It's impossible to know where Romney really stands. Ever.

Actually, it's quite easy. Romney stands wherever he thinks it will help him best. If that means flip flopping on something he said the day before or wasting valuable Red Cross time and resources, so be it.

119 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:17:23pm

My favorite tweet from Sunday:

120 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:17:49pm

re: #118 Lidane

Actually, it's quite easy. Romney stands wherever he thinks it will help him best. If that means flip flopping on something he said the day before or wasting valuable Red Cross time and resources, so be it.

Multiple Choice Mitt

121 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:18:24pm

re: #116 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

The odds are absolutely certain that climate shifts played a major role in this.

My mother still thinks it's solar flares or some stupid shit like that.

122 Lidane  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:18:54pm

re: #121 Mocking Jay

My mother still thinks it's solar flares or some stupid shit like that.

Chem trails!

///

123 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:19:06pm

re: #120 Gus

Multiple Choice Mitt

Reading that almost makes it sound like "Multiple Miggs," that character from Silence of the Lambs.

124 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:19:36pm

re: #99 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Ep. VII Retirement of the Jedi

I'm thinking,

Ep.VII A New Hip
Ep.VIII The Empire's Strained Back
Ep.IX Retirement of the Jedi

125 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:20:15pm

Time for the nightly rush of Romney supporters trying to pump up his odds:

[Link: www.intrade.com...]

126 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:20:50pm

re: #112 Mocking Jay

Ummm...

Disney buys Marvel Entertainment for $4 billion - Aug. 31, 2009

Not quite the same thing, Marvel's a company, not a franchise. Disney has exerted some control, but it still allows Marvel to operate effectively as an independent company.

You really think that Disney, which has sued people for using Disney in less-than-reputable comics and such, is gonna allow fans to continue to play around in what is now their wholly-owned domain?

127 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:21:17pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Wait, you may have been on to something all along...

128 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:21:34pm

re: #125 JamesWI

Time for the nightly rush of Romney supporters trying to pump up his odds:

[Link: www.intrade.com...]

Notice that, despite repeated efforts, they've never been able to get him over 50%. Even on Intrade, Willard can't do better than even.

129 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:24:15pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Not quite the same thing, Marvel's a company, not a franchise. Disney has exerted some control, but it still allows Marvel to operate effectively as an independent company.

You really think that Disney, which has sued people for using Disney in less-than-reputable comics and such, is gonna allow fans to continue to play around in what is now their wholly-owned domain?

I'm talking more about the Marvel movies. They were kicked off in summer of '08, and Disney hasn't done anything to really screw it up.

130 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:24:33pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

Notice that, despite repeated efforts, they've never been able to get him over 50%. Even on Intrade, Willard can't do better than even.

Hasn't even been close to 50% I think the highest I've personally seen was in the 42% range, at some point between the 1st and 3rd debates.

It's just funny, keeping a window with that tracker open. You see it every night. All of a sudden, a huge number of trades to boost him up about 1% in the span of 5 minutes.

131 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:25:06pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

"Leaked Florida GOP Memo: "Democratic turnout machine is cleaning our clock" dailykos.com/story/2012/10/… Heh heh heh heh. :-D"

I hope to hell we are. Signed up tonight for another trip, just to put a high polish on it.

It says the memo was purposely leaked to get their voters out. Polish away!!

132 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:25:11pm

[Link: www.google.com...]

133 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:25:51pm

re: #112 Mocking Jay

Ummm...

Disney buys Marvel Entertainment for $4 billion - Aug. 31, 2009

Gooooo Disney!

134 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:25:54pm

re: #129 Mocking Jay

I'm talking more about the Marvel movies. They were kicked off in summer of '08, and Disney hasn't done anything to really screw it up.

Marvel Studios has been in operation since '93. None of the Marvel films were released by Disney, just connected to it by way of being part of the Marvel label.

135 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:27:51pm

re: #131 Joanne

It says the memo was purposely leaked to get their voters out. Polish away!!

Ooo, shiny.

136 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:28:16pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

If the memo's true and it holds true, Ohio becomes a sideshow. And if Ohio and Florida both go blue, Willard's going home.

Please...please...please...please!!

137 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:29:14pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

I hit the NBC link:

AMERICAN RED CROSS
The Red Cross is providing shelter, clothes, supplies, food and blood, as needed, for the victims of Sandy. You can donate blood, but in terms of items, you'll be doing more for those in need by donating money instead of physical goods.

Text message: Text the word REDCROSS to 90999 to donate $10 to American Red Cross Disaster Relief.

SALVATION ARMY
The Salvation Army is providing meals and shelter. "At this point, in-kind donations, such as used clothing and used furniture, are not being accepted for hurricane relief. However, these items are vital to supporting the day-to-day work of your local Salvation Army," the organization said Tuesday in a press release.

[Link: dailynightly.nbcnews.com...]

138 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:29:16pm

re: #131 Joanne

It says the memo was purposely leaked to get their voters out. Polish away!!

I really think that, despite all the talk by the media, that the so-called "enthusiasm gap" is not in the GOP's favor.

139 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:29:48pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Marvel Studios has been in operation since '93. None of the Marvel films were released by Disney, just connected to it by way of being part of the Marvel label.

They released Avengers. Paramount still gets money from it, but Disney distributed it. My point is that I have yet to see them take any action to mess things up.

Could you please let me be a little optimistic?!? :P

140 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:29:55pm

People have food banks therefore criticizing Romney's apparent food bank is bad. Very bad.

141 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:30:13pm

re: #133 prairiefire

Gooooo Disney!

Mainly because he lived in Marceline, MO. Also, somehow, that company still reflects the artistic tension between art and commerce.

142 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:30:52pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.google.com...]

This is getting ponderous.

143 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:31:00pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.google.com...]

Good find, Killgore. It looks like there are a number of local food banks sending supplies they have pooled. It's a good concept and it can be done without straining the Red Cross's distribution networks. The aid gathered in Ohio and Wisconsin today ought to go through this channel, while money donations go through the Red Cross. Best of both worlds, that way.

144 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:32:14pm

re: #139 Mocking Jay

They released Avengers. Paramount still gets money from it, but Disney distributed it. My point is that I have yet to see them take any action to mess things up.

Could you please let me be a little optimistic?!? :P

The question is, optimistic about what? Really, is having more moving that great a deal? I can tell you, as a Trek fan, that more movies does not mean better ones.

145 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:32:43pm

re: #140 Gus

People have food banks therefore criticizing Romney's apparent food bank is bad. Very bad.

When they said today they had a plan for all those cans, I was like, yeah, his local mission, a local food bank. Fine and dandy, but total false advertisement.

Then the Red Cross stepped up and spent money to take his cans.

Pitiful. Probably one truck load.

146 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:33:03pm

re: #137 jaunte

I hit the NBC link:

There are plenty of food banks accepting food. The only people claiming that Mitt is sending food to organizations that don't want it are the moonbats. Mitt's food collections are for show, no doubt about it. However, he's not being a dick and it's unhelpful to discourage food donations to organizations and people who want food donations.

147 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:35:00pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

There are plenty of food banks accepting food. The only people claiming that Mitt is sending food to organizations that don't want it are the moonbats. Mitt's food collections are for show, no doubt about it. However, he's not being a dick and it's unhelpful to discourage food donations to organizations and people who want food donations.

He made his event in support of the Hurricane victims.

If he wants to support the regular old homeless, he should say so.

148 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:35:05pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I think in the case of hurricane relief, money donations get there more quickly and without transportation and handling costs attached, so probably more efficient.

149 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:37:30pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

There are plenty of food banks accepting food. The only people claiming that Mitt is sending food to organizations that don't want it are the moonbats. Mitt's food collections are for show, no doubt about it. However, he's not being a dick and it's unhelpful to discourage food donations to organizations and people who want food donations.

He sent it to the Red Cross. We know he sent it to the Red Cross. We know the Red Cross didn't want it, because it takes away time and resources that could be better spent actually helping people.

The fact that there are OTHER organizations who do want Mitt's stuff doesn't change the fact that he sent it to one that doesn't.

You're still a boring troll.

150 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:37:49pm

re: #100 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Huge props.

Now it's getting to be fun. The trip the week after the first debate was a chore.

151 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:38:04pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

There are plenty of food banks accepting food. The only people claiming that Mitt is sending food to organizations that don't want it are the moonbats. Mitt's food collections are for show, no doubt about it. However, he's not being a dick and it's unhelpful to discourage food donations to organizations and people who want food donations.

[Tapping fingers.]

152 allegro  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:38:37pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

There are plenty of food banks accepting food. The only people claiming that Mitt is sending food to organizations that don't want it are the moonbats. Mitt's food collections are for show, no doubt about it. However, he's not being a dick and it's unhelpful to discourage food donations to organizations and people who want food donations.

I haven't seen anyone criticize the generosity of those making donations, only the duplicity of the ass who's putting his name on them for personal gain.

153 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:38:44pm

re: #149 JamesWI

He sent it to the Red Cross. We know he sent it to the Red Cross. We know the Red Cross didn't want it, because it takes away time and resources that could be better spent actually helping people.

The fact that there are OTHER organizations who do want Mitt's stuff doesn't change the fact that he sent it to one that doesn't.

You're still a boring troll.

Oh, but you see, the rules don't apply to Mitt.

154 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:38:48pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

The question is, optimistic about what? Really, is having more moving that great a deal? I can tell you, as a Trek fan, that more movies does not mean better ones.

I have seen every movie and every episode (yes, even Voyager) with the words Star Trek attached to it. Yeah, it got very stale. Like it or not, the new Trek has breathed some new life into it. That's all I'm hoping for Star Wars. Some new creative talent that pushes it forward, not just making Star Wars movies because they feel they have to. (and now I'm looking at Insurrection...)

155 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:38:55pm

Mitt's donation-a-rama was actually a fail at organization. A fail at his business acumen.

If you want to support the people hurt by the hurricane, there's a way to do it.

If you want to support the local homeless shelter, there's a way to do it.

His business plan failed.

156 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:39:49pm

re: #104 b_sharp

Jedi breaks a hip.

Jedi has fallen and can't get up.

157 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:39:53pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Now it's getting to be fun. The trip the week after the first debate was a chore.

Oh hell yeah. Where in Florida (I assume?)

158 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:40:24pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

I really think that, despite all the talk by the media, that the so-called "enthusiasm gap" is not in the GOP's favor.

We won't know til the election is over. We all need to get everyone we know to the polls early or on Election Day.

159 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:40:55pm

re: #156 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Jedi has fallen and can't get up.

Jedi can pick up The Clapper from across the room.

160 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:41:12pm

re: #158 Joanne

We won't know til the election is over. We all need to get everyone we know to the polls early or on Election Day.

Dear god I can't wait for it to be over.

161 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:41:37pm

...

162 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:42:02pm

Watch or I'll post that Twitchy pic.

//

163 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:42:36pm

re: #154 Mocking Jay

I have seen every movie and every episode (yes, even Voyager) with the words Star Trek attached to it. Yeah, it got very stale. Like it or not, the new Trek has breathed some new life into it. That's all I'm hoping for Star Wars. Some new creative talent that pushes it forward, not just making Star Wars movies because they feel they have to. (and now I'm looking at Insurrection...)

Disney's saying they plan to pump out a new movie every 2 to 3 years, beyond just the 3 Lucas promised. And they're looking at a Star Wars TV series, amongst other things.

Really, it comes down to why the fans hate the prequels so much. Yeah, you can blame bad writing and acting for a large part, but really it boils down to the reality that the fans had an idea of what the lead-up to the original 3 films would be and Lucas took one large dump on all of it. And I just don't think Disney is gonna learn that lesson.

164 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:42:58pm

re: #160 Mocking Jay

Dear god I can't wait for it to be over.

Closer and closer every day. Bugs me that we have a governor's election next year. Not in 2014 but next year and that crazy Ken Cuccinnelli will no doubt be the GOP nominee.

165 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:43:09pm

re: #157 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Oh hell yeah. Where in Florida (I assume?)

That was 4 days in Tampa, now we're just popping into the panhandle to work the small towns. A lot depends on the prep work by the local OfA organizers. Had a 'Bama vs Bulldogs thing going with GA for a while.

166 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:43:14pm

re: #152 allegro

I haven't seen anyone criticize the generosity of those making donations, only the duplicity of the ass whose putting his name on them for personal gain.

Plus this whole event of his was supposed to be apolitical.

[Audience laughs.]

167 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:44:16pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Justifications and rationalizations for stupid, ill planned behavior. The same behavior you'd both skewer Obama for if he was stupid enough to pull this kind of publicity stunt. Sad. Very sad.

168 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:45:05pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

That was 4 days in Tampa, now we're just popping into the panhandle to work the small towns. A lot depends on the prep work by the local OfA organizers. Had a 'Bama vs Bulldogs thing going with GA for a while.

I bet you are perfect for working the demo of the Panhandle. Good Luck!

169 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:45:11pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

That was 4 days in Tampa, now we're just popping into the panhandle to work the small towns. A lot depends on the prep work by the local OfA organizers. Had a 'Bama vs Bulldogs thing going with GA for a while.

Good luck! Our game this weekend is a miss (unless we REALLY fuck up) not sure of your SEC fight possibilities.

Really, DD, we really appreciate your work for us.

170 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:46:11pm

Oh yeah...

McCain Blasts Obama on Benghazi at ‘Storm Relief’ Rally

But the cans! Dear Mitt. This is my friend. His name is Haywood J. Blowme.

171 gwangung  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:46:17pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

There are plenty of food banks accepting food. The only people claiming that Mitt is sending food to organizations that don't want it are the moonbats. Mitt's food collections are for show, no doubt about it. However, he's not being a dick and it's unhelpful to discourage food donations to organizations and people who want food donations.

Actually, given the absolutely clumsy way he went about it (there are many, many rich conservatives who would have know how to do this effectively and efficiently), I think Romney IS being a dick. It just screams of someone unfamiliar with the way non-profits operate and how to make their contributions count.

172 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:46:23pm

Creamed corn! We will drop off at your shelter, just give us the address!

173 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:46:27pm

re: #87 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

*smooch*

174 darthstar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:47:32pm

Noone could have predicted Mitt Romney would send a surrogate out to lie about his position and then walk it back to please the base...

175 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:47:46pm

re: #168 prairiefire

I bet you are perfect for working the demo of the Panhandle. Good Luck!

Yeah, perfect.

"Who's at the door, Fatha?"
"Some dumbass white coot with an accent. Wants us to vote for Obama."
"Well, I nevah."

176 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:47:48pm

re: #172 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Creamed corn! We will drop off at your shelter, just give us the address!

Stay for the entertainment. Tonight there will be skit on Benghazi performed by that comedian, John McCane.

177 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:47:56pm

re: #171 gwangung

"Let's see, $200 million, take away one for hurricane relief, that leaves $199 million for retirement..."

178 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:48:07pm

re: #172 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Creamed corn! We will drop off at your shelter, just give us the address!

No one wants creamed corn, beets, or lima beans.

179 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:48:16pm

re: #170 Gus

Oh yeah...

McCain Blasts Obama on Benghazi at ‘Storm Relief’ Rally

But the cans! Dear Mitt. This is my friend. His name is Haywood J. Blowme.

Obama drops the campaign to take care of national crisis, Romney tries (and fails miserably) to rearrange his campaign appearances as "relief efforts."

180 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:49:01pm
181 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:49:13pm

I think I'd better just clear off. Things are getting back to politics and if I stay I'll just get pounded on.

Have good night, folks.

182 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:49:26pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

Obama drops the campaign to take care of national crisis, Romney tries (and fails miserably) to rearrange his campaign appearances as "relief efforts."

While his buddy Donald Trump was still trying to extort the president and damning the dead.

But the cans. We must feel his pain.

183 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:49:29pm

re: #147 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

He made his event in support of the Hurricane victims.

If he wants to support the regular old homeless, he should say so.

I'm sure Mitt would shit if he thought this would wind up being used for those icky, shiftless, lazy poor people.

184 freetoken  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:49:35pm

re: #170 Gus

While most are wound up with the Presidential election, I think the control of Congress and the Senate races are where the hot action is happening:

Nevada Senate race heats up, with Latino voters' help

To me, if Obama wants a "legacy" he ought to try and make sure his coattails are as long as possible, and the Democratic Party pick up at least 5 net seats in the Senate, in order to make sure future key appointments (such as for the USSC) are not of the reactionary right kind. And, even if the Democratic party does not take a majority in Congress, at least cut the GOP lead so that Boehner (or whoever ends up Speaker) doesn't have to pander to the Tea Partiers.

185 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:50:14pm

re: #178 Reverend Mother Ramallo

No one wants creamed corn, beets, or lima beans.

I'll take the beets if no one else wants them. That is, unless they're creamed.

186 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:50:27pm

McCain acted like a first rate jackass.

187 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:51:23pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

McCain acted like a first rate jackass.

No acting involved. He was just being himself. This is what he's become.

188 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:52:34pm

re: #183 Joanne

I'm sure Mitt would shit if he thought this would wind up being used for those icky, shiftless, lazy poor people.

Definitely without the tax deduction of donating it via his church.

189 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:52:46pm

re: #187 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

No acting involved. He was just being himself. This is what he's become.

Yeah and it sucks honestly. I didn't vote for the guy in 2008 but he was someone I respected. He's often than not showed himself to be this more often than not the past four years. Sometimes, he'll have a moment where you think he's being reasonable and then he'll do something crass like this.

190 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:53:32pm

re: #185 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I'll take the beets if no one else wants them. That is, unless they're creamed.

Blech.
The only thing grosser than beets is pickled okra.

191 gwangung  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:53:43pm

re: #183 Joanne

I'm sure Mitt would shit if he thought this would wind up being used for those icky, shiftless, lazy poor people.

What really should be maddening to DF and others is that these are unforced errors. Plenty of ways to have done this and still look good (or...presidential). It's not like this sort of thing doesn't have multiple precedents....

192 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:53:48pm
Youtube Video
193 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:54:18pm

re: #190 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Blech.
The only thing grosser than beets is pickled okra.

I'm sure if you listed the foods you like, I could find one to say Blech to.

194 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:55:44pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

Obama drops the campaign to take care of national crisis, Romney tries (and fails miserably) to rearrange his campaign appearances as "relief efforts."

Hmmmm.
I seem to recall someone trying to suspend their own campaign during a crisis.
Didn't work out so well...

195 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:55:46pm

There is little virtue in the actions of masses of men

196 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:56:35pm

re: #193 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I'm sure if you listed the foods you like, I could find one to say Blech to.

Oh no.
Never. Everything I like is delicious!
:-)

197 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:56:41pm

Will trade creamed corn and lima beans for pickled okra.

198 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:57:02pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Yeah and it sucks honestly. I didn't vote for the guy in 2008 but he was someone I respected. He's often than not showed himself to be this more often than not the past four years. Sometimes, he'll have a moment where you think he's being reasonable and then he'll do something crass like this.

The man's become just another hack in his later years. It became especially apparent in '10, when he had to run to the far right just to win the GOP primary for his seat.

199 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:57:12pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

I would suggest you shave your head, if it is not already shorn. TONS of retired military down there.

200 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:58:45pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

McCain acted like a first rate jackass.

And Brown.
And Gingrich.
And Krauthammer.

I'm sure there was more.

201 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:59:04pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

The man's become just another hack in his later years. It became especially apparent in '10, when he had to run to the far right just to win the GOP primary for his seat.

Yeah. One had some hope though that he was just doing that to prevent a true believer nut like Hayworth out of the Senate. But I guess this comes back to the old quagmire. Which does one detest more, the bonafide crazy or the one that plays crazy for votes.

202 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:59:27pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

There is little virtue in the actions of masses of men

Nazis have protests. Therefore, all protests are bad.

203 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:59:42pm

re: #200 Gus

And Brown.
And Gingrich.
And Krauthammer.

I'm sure there was more.

Yeah, I bring up McCain specifically here though because he did this during an event that was thanking volunteers.

204 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:00:02pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Disney's saying they plan to pump out a new movie every 2 to 3 years, beyond just the 3 Lucas promised. And they're looking at a Star Wars TV series, amongst other things.

Yes, bring back the Stars Wars Christmas Holiday specials!

Youtube Video

///

205 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:00:44pm

re: #170 Gus

Oh yeah...

McCain Blasts Obama on Benghazi at ‘Storm Relief’ Rally

But the cans! Dear Mitt. This is my friend. His name is Haywood J. Blowme.

I saw that on TV, Mc Cain has now lost the last bit of respect I had for him, I now just consider him just another wingnut.

206 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:01:03pm
207 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:01:12pm

re: #205 Tigger2

I saw that on TV, Mc Cain has now lost the last bit of respect I had for him, I now just consider him just another wingnut.

I haven't seen it yet. Don't feel like getting steamed.

208 freetoken  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:01:23pm

Obama, Romney are neck and neck in New York Times/CBS poll

"Neck and neck".

It's a horse race!

209 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:01:41pm

Drive by post. sorry, but this is a link to the best commentary I've seen yet.

A twenty-something episcopalian priest, he's the kind that gives me what little hope I have.

[Link: www.feedingonmanna.org...]

210 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:02:27pm

re: #202 Gus

Nazis have protests. Therefore, all protests are bad.

That whirling sound you hear is Thoreau spinning in his grave.

211 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:04:42pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

That whirling sound you hear is Thoreau spinning in his grave.

Mmm.

212 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:05:11pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

There is little virtue in the actions of masses of men

Who says? Who determines the virtue? The populace?

213 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:06:33pm

Apatheism.

214 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:06:39pm

(Enough to make one) turn in one's grave

One of the first recorded uses of the phrase is in historian James Bryce's 1888 work The American Commonwealth in which he said: "Jefferson might turn in his grave if he knew".[5] Another early use is in Thackeray's 1849 work The History of Pendennis, where Mrs. Wapshot, upset by a man's advances on the widow of Mr. Pendennis whom the widow had "never liked", says it's "enough to make poor Mr. Pendennis turn in his grave".[6
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

215 freetoken  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:07:45pm

A forced meme:


Analyst: Romney may win popular vote but lose the presidency

Just like Hollywood uses reruns and sequels (Star Wars XXIIX anyone?) to make up for lack of imagination, this 2000 v2.0 meme is just a way to sell "news".

216 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:08:44pm

Take two. Soccer hooligans frequently march the streets and cause mayhem. Therefore, all street marching is bad.

217 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:08:49pm

LOL.....And just like that, Romney's InTrade stock falls back down to where it was before his supporters boosted up his odds with a mass of rapid trades.

Thanks for wasting your money on such a worthless task guys! I'm sure the people who sold you the stock at the inflated value are happy.

218 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:09:28pm

re: #212 prairiefire

Who says? Who determines the virtue? The populace?

No, he's an existentialist so it's personal virtue which tends to be more pure. A lone person isn't going to wander the streets breaking windows or rounding up Jews. These are things that usually only happen when an individual becomes part of a collective.

219 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:09:49pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

There is little virtue in the actions of masses of men

Who is John Galt?

220 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:10:13pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

No, he's an existentialist so it's personal virtue which tends to be more pure. A lone person isn't going to wander the streets breaking windows or rounding up Jews. These are things that usually only happen when an individual becomes part of a collective.

Therefore, there are no loan wolves.

221 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:10:51pm

re: #220 Gus

Therefore, there are no loan wolves.

That would be Wells Fargo.

222 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:11:02pm

re: #194 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Hmmmm.
I seem to recall someone trying to suspend their own campaign during a crisis.
Didn't work out so well...

Yeah it sucks having responsibility to a nation in crisis. Totally like McCain in 08 when he was PLAYING president in suspending his campaign.
/

223 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:11:04pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Purity is a farce.

224 freetoken  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:11:57pm

Getting back to the Senate races, storm hit CT is ripe for abuse:

Push poll trying to tie Murphy to Hurricane Sandy?

Linda McMahon may not be a wingnut (a la West, Bachmann, etc.) but the McMahon's are as deceitful as their slightly poorer mates, the Romney's.

225 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:12:46pm

re: #224 freetoken

Getting back to the Senate races, storm hit CT is ripe for abuse:

Push poll trying to tie Murphy to Hurricane Sandy?

Linda McMahon may not be a wingnut (a la West, Bachmann, etc.) but the McMahon's are as deceitful as their slightly poorer mates, the Romney's.

I'd vote against her just because I find "professional wrestling" that tacky. Well not really but that's lame.

226 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:13:04pm

Interestingly, the guy who wrote the book on civil disobedience is now a source of otrageous outrage, accusations of wingnuttery and fascism.

227 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:14:06pm

If you're going to judge political or cultural movements alone against Occupy Oakland... well... how do I put it beyond flapdoodle?

228 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:14:23pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Interestingly, the guy who wrote the book on civil disobedience is now a source of otrageous outrage, accusations of wingnuttery and fascism.

Had BBQ tonight with the guy who constitutes our town's Occupy.

229 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:15:11pm

re: #222 Joanne

Yeah it sucks having responsibility to a nation in crisis. Totally like McCain in 08 when he was PLAYING president in suspending his campaign.
/

Yep.

230 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:15:25pm

re: #228 Decatur Deb

Had BBQ tonight with the guy who constitutes our town's Occupy.

He must be lonely, I'm sure he appreciated the company.

231 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:15:33pm

re: #224 freetoken

Getting back to the Senate races, storm hit CT is ripe for abuse:

Push poll trying to tie Murphy to Hurricane Sandy?

Linda McMahon may not be a wingnut (a la West, Bachmann, etc.) but the McMahon's are as deceitful as their slightly poorer mates, the Romney's.

I love the fact that by the end of this race, she will have spent about $80 million of her own money in two elections, and will have lost both.

Hopefully, the good people of Ohio et. al take after the people of Connecticut and don't reward someone who thinks he gets to buy an election.

232 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:16:46pm
233 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:17:12pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

He must be lonely, I'm sure he appreciated the company.

Lots of company--he's the local IT guy for our GOTV teams.

234 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:17:13pm

re: #232 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

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Oh Christ.

235 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:17:31pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

I try not to respond to your trolling anymore, but that's worse that usual, KT. Please try to find what you used to be. You used to give to the world. Why must you now try to tear things down instead?

236 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:17:48pm

Image: civil-rights-suits-mlk.png

237 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:18:03pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Interestingly, the guy who wrote the book on civil disobedience is now a source of outrageous outrage, accusations of wingnuttery and fascism.

Fr. Coughlin? Ghandi? Where you going?

238 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:18:13pm

Image: A-Zionist-march.jpg

239 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:18:25pm

re: #237 Mich-again

Fr. Coughlin? Ghandi? Where you going?

Throeau.

240 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:18:51pm

Image: 220px-Ftsackville.gif

241 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:18:52pm

re: #232 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

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Got to convince those people that the voting booths have been dusted with CIA anthrax spores. Shouldn't be hard.

242 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:19:26pm

re: #237 Mich-again

Fr. Coughlin? Ghandi? Where you going?

He's fucking trolling.

243 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:19:26pm

Image: 800px-BattleofLongisland.jpg

244 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:20:07pm

re: #243 Gus

Image: 800px-BattleofLongisland.jpg

This one is pretty kewl.

245 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:20:31pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Interestingly, the guy who wrote the book on civil disobedience is now a source of otrageous outrage, accusations of wingnuttery and fascism.

"'That government is best which governs not at all'; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have."

And when a coordinated response to a natural disaster is required, men are not yet prepared to do without government.

246 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:20:40pm

re: #231 JamesWI

I love the fact that by the end of this race, she will have spent about $80 million of her own money in two elections, and will have lost both.

Hopefully, the good people of Ohio et. al take after the people of Connecticut and don't reward someone who thinks he gets to buy an election.

Would that not apply to the entirety of the GOP, the billionaire backed Super PACs, Sheldon Adleson's Excellent Adventure, et al?

247 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:20:45pm

Image: liberty.jpg

248 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:21:11pm

re: #235 William Barnett-Lewis

You used to give to the world. Why must you now try to tear things down instead?

IDK that seems a bit over-dramatic to me. Just say Hey yer a dick. KT will get it.

249 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:21:13pm

re: #232 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

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Oh that's not true, because my neighbor said it was Hillary bumping people off.

{{head+desk}}

250 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:21:14pm

Image: enlightenment.jpeg

251 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:21:30pm

Yeah. Movements are bad. Stay home. It's safer.

252 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:21:35pm

re: #243 Gus

Image: 800px-BattleofLongisland.jpg

Horses and bayonets!

253 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:21:43pm

re: #242 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

He's fucking trolling.

You see him trolling, you hating,
Can't you see that he's posting dirty..

Youtube Video
254 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:22:07pm

re: #253 Kragar

You see him trolling, you hating,
Can't you see that he's posting dirty..

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I'm having fun.

255 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:23:01pm

re: #243 Gus

Image: 800px-BattleofLongisland.jpg

Got a print of this in my living room

Image: 219-2-1.jpg

256 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:23:31pm

re: #251 Gus

Yeah. Movements are bad. Stay home. It's safer.

Walden pond was a kettle lake, with no inlet or outlet.

257 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:23:32pm

re: #252 Mocking Jay

Horses and bayonets!

And shitty pants.

258 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:23:33pm

re: #255 Kragar

Got a print of this in my living room

Image: 219-2-1.jpg

The Argonne?

259 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:24:54pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

The Argonne?

The last night of the war

260 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:25:25pm

re: #253 Kragar

You see him trolling, you hating,
Can't you see that he's posting dirty..

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I'm riding dirty. nice.

261 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:25:58pm
262 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:26:58pm

You got point.

No I don't.

263 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:27:05pm

re: #259 Kragar

The last night of the war

Cool. WWI has always interested me for so many reasons.

264 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:29:09pm

re: #259 Kragar

The last night of the war

Is that a Browning Machine Rifle or early BAR?

265 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:29:10pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Cool. WWI has always interested me for so many reasons.

It was a case of centuries of military traditions meeting modern technology, and people being too proud to admit the traditions were wrong.

266 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:29:22pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

Lots of company--he's the local IT guy for our GOTV teams.

Then, he's the smart one! Thanks again, pops Decatur. I'll tell my gal there's a lefty from Alabama around her grandpop's age ~ fighting for her rights.

267 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:30:36pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Is that a Browning Machine Rifle or early BAR?

Probably a BAR, they were issued to the Marines going over into France.

268 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:30:38pm
269 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:31:26pm

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

270 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:31:44pm

re: #265 Kragar

It was a case of centuries of military traditions meeting modern technology, and people being too proud to admit the traditions were wrong.

Yep. Had the great pleasure of looking at some first hand accounts from the German side when I took German history a couple years back in college. It really felt like Remarque's All Quiet on the Western Front. In the early months of the war, you see so much optimism and unwavering patriotism but by the time the war has started to show some hints of what it became you see growing cynicism and doubt. Many of the men whose letters I read never lived to see the war's end.

271 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:32:12pm

Great. Guy walking his bike down the street. Eventually, he starts looking into cars again.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:33:14pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

Not really. I also post on blogs where I am the minority. They aren't any brighter over there.

273 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:33:23pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

[Perplexed face.]

Either that or killer bud.

274 freetoken  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:33:54pm

All this "horse race" journalism reminds me of this:

Youtube Video
275 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:34:00pm

I side with people I disagree with many times.

276 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:34:03pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Yep. Had the great pleasure of looking at some first hand accounts from the German side when I took German history a couple years back in college. It really felt like Remarque's All Quiet on the Western Front. In the early months of the war, you see so much optimism and unwavering patriotism but by the time the war has started to show some hints of what it became you see growing cynicism and doubt. Many of the men whose letters I read never lived to see the war's end.

The general opinion in the early days of the war was with so many new things like long range artillery, automatic weapons, and other marvels, the whole war would have been wrapped in a matter of weeks.

277 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:34:35pm
278 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:34:52pm

re: #276 Kragar

The general opinion in the early days of the war was with so many new things like long range artillery, automatic weapons, and other marvels, the whole war would have been wrapped in a matter of weeks.

Yeah, the whole the war will over by Christmas nonsense.

279 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:35:00pm

The majority of life on Earth is prokaryotic, which will cause me to pause permanently one day.

280 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:35:44pm

re: #279 jaunte

The majority of life on Earth is prokaryotic, which will cause me to pause permanently one day.

I read somewhere once that eventually we all die. Can you believe that?

281 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:36:11pm

re: #280 Gus

Damn. I better tell my kids some stories.

282 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:36:42pm

i tried the reflecting paws, but they were too spendy and slidey

283 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:37:53pm

re: #280 Gus

I read somewhere once that eventually we all die. Can you believe that?

Also, fire burns.
Now, give me a moment, I must reflect.

284 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:38:22pm

re: #281 jaunte

Damn. I better tell my kids some stories.

Some take it well while others don't. I started contemplating death at an early age. I used to gaze at the countless headstones around NYC and wonder in the back seat of my dad's Ford.

285 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:38:43pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

First, pausing and reflecting is just like praying, so you can do it whenever you feel like it. Second, being on the side of the majority isn't necessarily good or bad..

286 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:39:10pm

re: #283 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Also, fire burns.
Now, give me a moment, I must reflect.

Guns are used to murder people. Therefore, all guns are bad.

287 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:41:47pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Interestingly, the guy who wrote the book on civil disobedience is now a source of otrageous outrage, accusations of wingnuttery and fascism.

No, taking him out of context and putting him in your smug, trolling self is the source of the problem. As you knew it would be. That's why you did it.

Thoreau was also wrong. He was a great guy, but he was wrong. It's not possible to live life in the fashion he did. It is good to recognize the virtues of that life, but he was wrong. An individual may not go out 'rounding up Jews' (though certainly individuals would go out and murder Jews, but an individual doesn't discover the cure for this or that or design and build a well that allows more babies to survive with clean drinking water.

Thoreau's approach to virtue is one from a very comfortable position. Treating him with respect doesn't mean treating him as though he's the Pope of Thinking and if you disagree with him you're dumb.

In fact, this, as usual, demonstrates your hypocrisy. You're outraged that Thoreau is considered impractical. Hoo boy.

288 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:41:50pm

re: #280 Gus

I read somewhere once that eventually we all die. Can you believe that?

Sounds like a load of liberal crap.

289 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:42:43pm

re: #288 Kragar

Sounds like a load of liberal crap.

It's just a theory really. You really don't die because you either go to heavan or hell and get to live for billions and billions of years. You thought this life sucked?

290 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:43:03pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

As opposed to if you find yourself in the minority. Then just let the callous, smug statements roll on out, because apparently fuck it, no reflection needed.

Heh. Handy for the truly lazy.

291 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:43:09pm

The 6 Craziest Disguises Ever Used in the History of War

292 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:43:16pm

Thoreau had some interesting ideas, and a lot of practical supporting help from his family and R. W. Emerson.

293 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:43:34pm

re: #289 Gus

It's just a theory really. You really don't die because you either go to heavan or hell and get to live for billions and billions of years. You thought this life sucked?

I'm on good terms with Crom.

294 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:43:38pm

re: #286 Gus

Guns are used to murder people. Therefore, all guns are bad.

Awww shit !
It's gettin' all transcendental up in here !

295 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:44:13pm

re: #294 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Awww shit !
It's gettin' all transcendental up in here !

That's pretty standard. Or is it Zen?

296 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:44:14pm

re: #288 Kragar

Sounds like a load of liberal crap.

the problem is that government subsidies incentivize prokaryotic lifeforms to die

297 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:45:06pm
298 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:45:13pm

re: #291 Kragar

The 6 Craziest Disguises Ever Used in the History of War

I read that back in the summer. You gotta admire the creativity of the human mind.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:45:14pm

re: #292 jaunte

Thoreau had some interesting ideas, and a lot of practical supporting help from his family and R. W. Emerson.

I would be more patient with Thoreau if he had not been so snotty about that Irish guy he runs into.

300 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:46:45pm

re: #292 jaunte

Thoreau had some interesting ideas, and a lot of practical supporting help from his family and R. W. Emerson.

emerson turns out to have been a considerably more stimulating person as a live lecture star than a dead philosopher. apparently he was really lively, colorful, and humorous, and consequently was the top lecture circuit attraction of his day

301 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:46:58pm

re: #277 Joanne

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I'm putting ice cubes on my puffies.

302 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:47:42pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

I read that back in the summer. You gotta admire the creativity of the human mind.

Youtube Video
303 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:48:21pm

I had the impression when I read some of Thoreau back in 11th grade that he was a little too idealistic. Wouldn't mind reading him again. I'm willing to give writers second chances. My experience with Kafka was a College junior as much more pleasant than mine as a high school senior.

304 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:48:42pm

Once the comments hit like 270, my iPhone pukes on the page, it's just too big. So I'm in read mode dropping in some tweets. Not ignoring anyone.

Cheers!

305 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:48:52pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

I would be more patient with Thoreau if he had not been so snotty about that Irish guy he runs into.

Irish guy? He had no beef with him.
/

When his aunt Louisa asked him in his last weeks if he had made his peace with God, Thoreau responded: "I did not know we had ever quarreled."

306 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:50:59pm

re: #295 Gus

That's pretty standard. Or is it Zen?

Hold on...
I'm reflecting.

307 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:51:55pm

Image: twitter-hume-20121030-FEMA.jpg

Dumbass is dumb.

308 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:52:59pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

I had the impression when I read some of Thoreau back in 11th grade that he was a little too idealistic. Wouldn't mind reading him again. I'm willing to give writers second chances. My experience with Kafka was a College junior was much more pleasant than mine as a high school senior.

He was too idealistic but also remember his great Walden Thing lasted only about a year, he had plenty of money and was close to town. He spent most of his life in comfort and wealth.

309 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:53:10pm

re: #307 Varek Raith

Image: twitter-hume-20121030-FEMA.jpg

Dumbass is dumb.

Didn't W make him cry once?

310 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:53:32pm

So...
Does the Disney deal mean Lucas will never ruin another Star Wars movie?!?!
/

311 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:54:07pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

He was too idealistic but also remember his great Walden Thing lasted only about a year, he had plenty of money and was close to town. He spent most of his life in comfort and wealth.

Right. I am just saying. That was my impression in 11th grade about a decade ago. I'm much more open to new experiences.

312 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:54:29pm

Thoreau died at 44. Come on get real.

313 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:54:37pm

re: #310 Varek Raith

So...
Does the Disney deal mean Lucas will never ruin another Star Wars movie?!?!
/

That is certainly the hope.

314 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:54:44pm

re: #310 Varek Raith

So...
Does the Disney deal mean Lucas will never ruin another Star Wars movie?!?!
/

Actually, no, since he's still a creative consultant or some similar title.

315 Kragar  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:55:25pm

re: #314 The Ghost of a Flea

Actually, no, since he's still a creative consultant or some similar title.

The great thing about a consultant is you can tell them to fuck off.

316 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:57:02pm

re: #310 Varek Raith

So...
Does the Disney deal mean Lucas will never ruin another Star Wars movie?!?!
/

Means Leia becomes the 11th Disney Princess.

317 gwangung  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:59:22pm

re: #316 Decatur Deb

Means Leia becomes the 11th Disney Princess.

Well, she'll give Mulan some company. Now there's two of 'em that can handle a weapon.

318 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:00:08pm

Musical OT but man does Gillian Welch have a great voice.

319 Joanne  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:00:17pm

Good read.

320 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:01:37pm
321 R.M. Ramallo  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:01:55pm

Ok.
I think someone's into existentialism, and has lost sight of the sublime.
Politically speaking.
(Is that too vague?)

322 Gus  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:02:01pm

NRPS - Panama Red

Youtube Video
323 jaunte  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:02:09pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Musical OT but man does Gillian Welch have a great voice.

The Weight

324 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:03:14pm

re: #323 jaunte

The Weight

Awesome, thanks.

325 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:08:20pm

re: #279 jaunte

The majority of life on Earth is prokaryotic, which will cause me to pause permanently one day.

Me, too.

326 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:09:19pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Right. I am just saying. That was my impression in 11th grade about a decade ago. I'm much more open to new experiences.

He's worth rereading. I still have the copy of Walden and civil disobedience that I first read when I was 19 with my old highlighted quotes and my notes in the margins. It worth revisiting Henry but also revisiting myself as well. old friends.

327 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:19:10pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

He was too idealistic but also remember his great Walden Thing lasted only about a year, he had plenty of money and was close to town. He spent most of his life in comfort and wealth.

Well, comfort. His mom or aunt or someone brought him baked goodies at Walden.

I don't know if he ever had a lot of money, but he was secure.

328 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:22:59pm

re: #316 Decatur Deb

Means Leia becomes the 11th Disney Princess.

Yeah!

329 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:26:45pm

re: #287 Obdicut

No, taking him out of context and putting him in your smug, trolling self is the source of the problem. As you knew it would be. That's why you did it.

Thoreau was also wrong. He was a great guy, but he was wrong. It's not possible to live life in the fashion he did. It is good to recognize the virtues of that life, but he was wrong. An individual may not go out 'rounding up Jews' (though certainly individuals would go out and murder Jews, but an individual doesn't discover the cure for this or that or design and build a well that allows more babies to survive with clean drinking water.

Thoreau's approach to virtue is one from a very comfortable position. Treating him with respect doesn't mean treating him as though he's the Pope of Thinking and if you disagree with him you're dumb.

In fact, this, as usual, demonstrates your hypocrisy. You're outraged that Thoreau is considered impractical. Hoo boy.

Thank you for giving words to what I'd swallowed for lack of better words.

330 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 4:10:46am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Yeah, the whole the war will over by Christmas nonsense.

And if you've read this stuff and how the blood spilled in the American Civil War would be sopped up by a handkerchief you probably looked on the "We will be greeted as liberators" crap leading up to the Iraq invasion with a pretty cynical eye.


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