The Lessons of the Gosnell Case: Exactly the Opposite of the Right Wing Spin

The right wing war on women’s reproductive rights created Kermit Gosnell
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Scott Lemieux has a good piece at the American Prospect today, summing up the reasons why the right wing’s huge fake outrage over Kermit Gosnell is hypocritical and deceptive, and why the case demonstrates the exact opposite of the right wing’s hysterical narrative: Five Lessons From the Gosnell Abortion-Clinic Controversy.

Far from being an argument against abortion, Kermit Gosnell’s atrocities are an object example of the incredible harm being done to women’s rights by the anti-choice movement. If the social conservative agenda prevails, we will see many more back alley abortionists like Gosnell flourishing in the brave new right wing world.

The Gosnell case is an illustration of a deeper problem with abortion politics in the United States. A number of pundits—most notably Slate’s William Saletan and The Daily Beast’s Megan McArdle—have argued that even though it’s best that abortion remain formally legal, pro-choicers should concede that abortion is an icky, immoral procedure that should be discouraged. But the stigmatization of abortion, as it functions in the United States, greatly harms women. In most other liberal democracies, the Gosnell clinic wouldn’t be an issue because even poor women could obtain safe abortions in a public hospital. In the United States, even where abortion is legal the constant stigma attached to the procedure—up to and including acts of violence against abortion providers and clinics—contributes to a making safe abortions less accessible. The best way to prevent future Gosnells is to treat pre-viability abortions like the ordinary, safe medical procedures they in fact are, not to engage in sexist moralizing.

The Gosnell case certainly represents a failure by the state of Pennsylvania to protect women. Enacting more regulations that make safe, pre-viability abortions more scarce would be precisely the wrong lesson to take from it, and would mean more Gosnells, not fewer. Making abortion safe, legal, and accessible for all women is more important than ever.

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1 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 10:55:36am
2 jaunte  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:02:27am

Worth repeating:

“…The belated conservative reaction to the Gosnell case is a classic example of the bait-and-switch at the heart of the increasing proliferation of abortion regulations. Anti-choicers talk a great deal about the relatively tiny number of medically unnecessary post-viability abortions—which Roe v. Wade explicitly allows to be banned and are already illegal—in order to pass regulations that apply at every stage of pregnancy. The most common of these regulations—prohibitions on public funding for abortion, waiting periods, parental-involvement laws, mandatory ultrasounds, and the targeted regulation of abortion providers—are not merely irrelevant, but counterproductive. All of these legal burdens make obtaining a safe first-trimester abortion more difficult.”

3 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:05:45am

Also, too: is the conservative argument here that the Government needs to intervene more into the doctor-patient relationship and enact more Government regulations?

4 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:11:13am

BLOOD LIBEL
Stay classy, Stacy

5 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:11:14am

The Gosnell case is a grand example of how hypocritical conservatives are when it comes to forcing morality on others. When the subject turns to abortion, suddenly they’re overjoyed to support endless rounds of government regulation, they see no problem with using regulations as a means to shut down abortion clinics, they cheer on efforts to restrict birth control and emergency contraceptives, and most importantly they totally believe that a ban on abortion will end it once and for all.

Are they going to see the Gosnell case as a warning against their witch hunt? Fuck no, they’re going to tell themselves that every abortion clinic is or could be like his unless they shut them down. Because after all, it’s for the children…at least until they’re born, then they’re on their own.

6 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:11:55am
7 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:16:22am

Which is why there are so many people like Kermit Gosnell in places where women have easier access to abortion. Oh wait……. Seriously this is a load of shit. If you didn’t know anything about what was going on and just listened to the right wing noise machine, you’d think POTUS was personally giving Kermit Gosnell the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Weakening access to abortion is what allows people like Gosnell to operate. It’s pretty amazing how these people don’t want to hear one thing about anything involving guns but they’re gung fuckign ho to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. Bastards.

8 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:16:26am

@MichelleMalkin is ranting uncontrollably about Gosnell, spewing insults and hate in all directions.

The entire right wing universe is off their gourds.

9 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:16:50am

This is not good.

10 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:18:45am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Which is why there are so many people like Kermit Gosnell in places where women have easier access to abortion. Oh wait……. Seriously this is a load of shit. If you didn’t know anything about what was going on and just listened to the right wing noise machine, you’d think POTUS was personally giving Kermit Gosnell the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Weakening access to abortion is what allows people like Gosnell to operate. It’s pretty amazing how these people don’t want to hear one thing about anything involving guns but they’re gung fuckign ho to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. Bastards.

You don’t see guys like Gosnell in Europe or other more liberal countries, where abortion is treated as a simple medical procedure rather than some unholy act that must be segregated away from hospitals for fear that it may bring God’s wrath down upon other patients.

11 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:19:02am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

She’s upset that people are calling BS on her and other wingnuts for their belated interest in the case.

12 jaunte  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:19:31am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

A lot of the so-called conservative bloggers seem to be attracted by the slasher-porn aspects of the Gosnell story.

13 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:20:55am

re: #10 Targetpractice

You don’t see guys like Gosnell in Europe or other more liberal countries, where abortion is treated as a simple medical procedure rather than some unholy act that must be segregated away from hospitals for fear that it may bring God’s wrath down upon other patients.

Yep, true point.

14 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:23:05am

re: #10 Targetpractice

You don’t see guys like Gosnell in Europe or other more liberal countries, where abortion is treated as a simple medical procedure rather than some unholy act that must be segregated away from hospitals for fear that it may bring God’s wrath down upon other patients.

Well, except in Ireland.

15 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:24:46am

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

Well, except in Ireland.

True, I’d forgotten about that. Apparently so did the wingnuts in their blind crusade.

16 Lidane  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:25:25am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

The entire right wing universe is off their gourds.

That’s a feature, not a bug.

17 A Mom Anon  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:26:09am

re: #10 Targetpractice

So why was abortion taken out of the hospital setting and mostly relegated to stand alone clinics? IMO, this may have been the thing that made the anti choice movement’s mission lots easier. There are women’s centers in nearly every major hospital, I don’t get the need to relegate abortion(but no other proceedure related to women’s health)to strictly clinics for the most part.

18 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:28:20am

re: #17 A Mom Anon

So why was abortion taken out of the hospital setting and mostly relegated to stand alone clinics? IMO, this may have been the thing that made the anti choice movement’s mission lots easier. There are women’s centers in nearly every major hospital, I don’t get the need to relegate abortion(but no other proceedure related to women’s health)to strictly clinics for the most part.

The procedure, at least during the first trimester, is not complicated and performing it in a clinic rather than in a full hospital setting is a way to keep costs down, especially since many insurance plans do not cover it.

19 jaunte  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:29:28am

Give us as many gory details as possible!

20 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:29:41am

re: #17 A Mom Anon

So why was abortion taken out of the hospital setting and mostly relegated to stand alone clinics? IMO, this may have been the thing that made the anti choice movement’s mission lots easier. There are women’s centers in nearly every major hospital, I don’t get the need to relegate abortion(but no other proceedure related to women’s health)to strictly clinics for the most part.

I don’t either. Plus if you had them at a hospital setting, perhaps the incidents involving harassment of women getting abortions and people working at the facility would decrease. That’s the thing that even when I had a slightly ‘pro-life’ mindset that annoyed me about the movement. It disgusted me that people would harass someone making a difficult choice like that. And I knew people who did through my neighborhood and they would brag about it.

21 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:31:01am

re: #18 Vicious Babushka

The procedure, at least during the first trimester, is not complicated and performing it in a clinic rather than in a full hospital setting is a way to keep costs down, especially since many insurance plans do not cover it.

Not to mention hospitals, which survive in large part on Medicare/Medicaid patients, are mindful of the Hyde Amendment and the potential for losing all federal funding if they should start performing abortions that are not covered by one of the various exceptions since amended into the law.

22 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:32:21am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Plus if you had them at a hospital setting, perhaps the incidents involving harassment of women getting abortions and people working at the facility would decrease.

Or the hospitals may not want the liability of having a bunch of protestors swarming their campus.

23 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:32:24am

The Hyde Amendment is a killer of women.

24 Lidane  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:32:58am

re: #17 A Mom Anon

So why was abortion taken out of the hospital setting and mostly relegated to stand alone clinics? IMO, this may have been the thing that made the anti choice movement’s mission lots easier.

That’s the one part that has never made sense to me.

I would think that if it had been done in hospitals all along we’d be having a whole different conversation right now. Isolating abortion to outside facilities has made the doctors and patients there much more obvious targets. If they were going into hospitals, the fanatics would have a harder time.

25 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:33:03am

re: #19 jaunte


Give us as many gory details as possible!

Media blackout! Gag-order! Where’s The Coverage?!?

26 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:33:43am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

Or the hospitals may not want the liability of having a bunch of protestors swarming their campus.

Ah good point especially with emergencies and what have you.

27 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:34:57am

re: #25 Bulworth

Give’em time, they’ll eventually figure out a Benghazi angle.

28 Stanley Sea  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:35:12am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

Wow. What an informative read. Thanks for posting.

29 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:36:33am

Has the Don’t Tread On Me Teaparty, which three years ago went to the mattresses on behalf of Hands Off My Healthcare, weighed in on this? /

30 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:36:41am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

@MichelleMalkin is ranting uncontrollably about Gosnell, spewing insults and hate in all directions.

The entire right wing universe is off their gourds.

There is a Derp match going on between @MichelleMalkin and @DLoesch over who can tweet the most Derp.

31 BongCrodny  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:38:19am

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

There is a Derp match going on between @MichelleMalkin and @DLoesch over who can tweet the most Derp.

My money’s on both of them.

32 A Mom Anon  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:39:32am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Right, but I think the protests might never have got the big foothold they’ve got over the years had abortion been kept inside the hospital women’s center type setting. I’m trying to understand the decision to remove it from the hospital pretty much entirely. IMO that’s what gave the anti choice people their power.

33 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:39:49am

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

There is a Derp match going on between @MichelleMalkin and @DLoesch over who can tweet the most Derp.

Can’t they both lose?

34 Destro  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:41:21am

If Americans practiced birth control and were educated in safe sex starting in school we would have less need of abortions. Sadly, the people against abortions also tend to be against sex education and contraception.

35 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:42:24am

re: #32 A Mom Anon

Right, but I think the protests might never have got the big foothold they’ve got over the years had abortion been kept inside the hospital women’s center type setting. I’m trying to understand the decision to remove it from the hospital pretty much entirely. IMO that’s what gave the anti choice people their power.

Hmmm I don’t know honestly. Anyone know in what setting abortions are performed in Europe and if there are any specific countries that legalized abortion in roughly around the same year (give or take a year) that we did in the US. But as I said, that’s the thing that I hate most about the anti-choice movement. It’s the boldface and in your face harassment of women getting abortions. Even if I opposed abortion and wished it illegally, I could never do that to someone.

36 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:44:51am

re: #34 Destro

If Americans practiced birth control and were educated in safe sex starting in school we would have less need of abortions. Sadly, the people against abortions also tend to be against sex education and contraception.

That’s because, in their minds, the only “moral” choice is to wait until marriage before ever engaging in sex, and only having sex for the purpose of procreating. I remember one wingnut, back last year during the whole fuss over birth control and Sandra Fluke, come out and declare that married couples never having sex outside of trying to have a kid was the ideal lifestyle.

Basically these folks haven’t had it broken to them that Leave It to Beaver was a TV show.

37 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:46:13am

Women’s rights according to Rush:

38 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:46:25am

re: #36 Targetpractice

And yet most of these very same folks will demand that the American healthcare system leave people uncovered in the name of Freedom.

39 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:47:16am

re: #38 Bulworth

And yet most of these very same folks will demand that the American healthcare system leave people uncovered in the name of Freedom.

“Medical decisions should be between a patient and their doctor…unless it involved abortion, then we reserve the right to tell them what they can and can’t do.”

40 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:48:50am

re: #37 Vicious Babushka

Women’s rights according to Rush:

Jackasses like Rush are why Rosie got put back in the kitchen after WWII and stayed there until the 60s.

41 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:49:59am

re: #37 Vicious Babushka

Women’s rights according to Rush:

Yeah “free shit.” We don’t want to have a healthy public do we.

42 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:52:35am

re: #34 Destro

If Americans practiced birth control and were educated in safe sex starting in school we would have less need of abortions. Sadly, the people against abortions also tend to be against sex education and contraception.

That’s the frustrating thing. You propose that to the anti-abortion people and they get even more pissy in their refusal to budge. There’s no self awareness with these people. Abstience only education is such a joke. It’s basically telling kids “Hey don’t do what our generation and the generation before that did and we’re going to keep you in the dark about sex because sex is evil.” The RCC and other churches who oppose birth control are the worst offenders of this one.

43 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:53:25am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Yeah “free shit.” We don’t want to have a healthy public do we.

The face-palming, head-desking DERP is the fact that Rush totally made this meme up and then attacked her over it. Sandra never asked for free anything. All She did was ask why her friend’s medication was not covered by her insurance policy.

44 A Mom Anon  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:54:35am

re: #40 Targetpractice

I have a Rosie the Riveter t shirt I got at the Pearl Harbor museum. About a year ago I got bitched at about my”pro Obama”shirt in the grocery store parking lot by a rwnj. Because it said “we can do it”, he thought the response was “yes we can” which was an Obama slogan.

It only hit me later that he had to have been thinking of the kid’s tv show Bob the Builder who says “Can we do(or build it or fix it-depending on the situation) it? Yes we can!” Either that or he’s an idiot, though it could be both.

45 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:54:38am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

That’s the frustrating thing. You propose that to the anti-abortion people and they get even more pissy in their refusal to budge. There’s no self awareness with these people. Abstience only education is such a joke. It’s basically telling kids “Hey don’t do what our generation and the generation before that did and we’re going to keep you in the dark about sex because sex is evil.” The RCC and other churches who oppose birth control are the worst offenders of this one.

Teen pregnancy rate highest in states with “Abstinence only” policies. Color me surprised.

46 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:54:55am
47 Destro  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:55:07am

re: #40 Targetpractice

Jackasses like Rush are why Rosie got put back in the kitchen after WWII and stayed there until the 60s.

I thought it fear of millions of former veterans coming back from the war well trained in combat. With the Bonus Marches still fresh in congressional minds, we also got the GI Bill so as to not make our returning vets angry enough to take to the streets and overthrow a govt (real fear in those days).

So, while sexism did play a role in the job switcheroo it was not purely sexism that was responsible for this policy.

48 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:55:11am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

The face-palming, head-desking DERP is the fact that Rush totally made this meme up and then attacked her over it. Sandra never asked for free anything. All She did was ask why her friend’s medication was not covered by her insurance policy.

Exactly, everyone ignores that she was testifying on behalf of a friend and asked about why her meds weren’t covered by Georgetown’s insurance plan. The assholes of course took that to me “Sandra Fluke wants us to pay our tax dollars so she won’t get pregnant.” Shameful affair and then of course Rush called her a slut, the lovely guy that he is.

49 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:55:54am

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

Teen pregnancy rate highest in states with “Abstinence only” policies. Color me surprised.

Imagine my shock. NOT.

50 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:57:33am

Wow, this looks bad:

51 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:57:48am

re: #36 Targetpractice

Basically these folks haven’t had it broken to them that Leave It to Beaver was a TV show.

And not even an accurate depiction of America in the 50’s.

52 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 11:58:24am

re: #47 Destro

I thought it fear of millions of former veterans coming back from the war well trained in combat. With the Bonus Marches still fresh in congressional minds, we also got the GI Bill so as to not make our returning vets angry enough to take to the streets and overthrow a govt (real fear in those days).

So, while sexism did play a role in the job switcheroo it was not purely sexism that caused.

It was a mixture of both, the cultural attitudes regarding women at the time as well as the influx of returning vets. What had been seen during the war as a necessary evil was once again rendered taboo.

53 Destro  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 12:01:30pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

That’s the frustrating thing. You propose that to the anti-abortion people and they get even more pissy in their refusal to budge. There’s no self awareness with these people. Abstience only education is such a joke. It’s basically telling kids “Hey don’t do what our generation and the generation before that did and we’re going to keep you in the dark about sex because sex is evil.” The RCC and other churches who oppose birth control are the worst offenders of this one.

In the right wing forums when I was still trying to see if I should adhere to any sort of right wing or conservative ideology I made attempts to argue for an approach where mothers are paid by the state to bring babies to term, provide babies with free healthcare and free day care centers as a way to prevent many abortions and the venom I got was hot and heavy.

The responses by these “pro lifers” was along the paraphrased lines of “I didn’t have sex with that slut why should I pay for her baby” so it really was love the fetus and not care for the born child once it’s out of the womb.

This led me to think that their stance on abortion had more to do with their hatred of empowered women than caring about the “babies” in question.

So my conclusion (others had it way before I became self aware) is that contraception, abortion and single mothers are all threats to their man as King-of-the-roost ideology and that is the underlying motivation for most of these right wingers fixated on this topic.

54 Destro  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 12:04:57pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

It was a mixture of both, the cultural attitudes regarding women at the time as well as the influx of returning vets. What had been seen during the war as a necessary evil was once again rendered taboo.

I agree because in a booming economy you would need more workers so why limit yourself to just 50% of the population as potential employees? In fact if women entered the workforce, wages would have not have gone up so high (more labor means less labor costs) that it actually hampered American manufacturing and maybe we would have seen less offshoring?

Think about it…..

55 BongCrodny  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 12:06:10pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Wow, this looks bad:

Appears to be playing havoc with the net as well — I just tried to check out boston.com (home of the Boston Globe) and that site is not loading for me.

56 Destro  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 12:08:38pm

re: #55 BongCrodny

Appears to be playing havoc with the net as well — I just tried to check out boston.com (home of the Boston Globe) and that site is not loading for me.

What looks bad at the Boston Marathon? The picture does not tell me a thing?

57 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 15, 2013 12:20:35pm

re: #32 A Mom Anon

Right, but I think the protests might never have got the big foothold they’ve got over the years had abortion been kept inside the hospital women’s center type setting. I’m trying to understand the decision to remove it from the hospital pretty much entirely. IMO that’s what gave the anti choice people their power.

I can think of two additional reasons right off the top of my head:
1. A lot of hospitals have a direct affiliation with a Christian Church in some way, often a historical association.

2. Profit. I doubt abortion is a profitable procedure. So once you do a simple asset/liability analysis hospital administrators (and the boards) would favor pushing it out to clinics and such as a CYA move.


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