Sen. Susan Collins Challenger Says His Wife-Beating Conviction Proves ‘Guts and Integrity’

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Erick Bennett, a conservative challenger to Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) who was convicted of assaulting his wife in 2003, argued that his continued denial of the charge shows his political integrity.

“The fact that I have been jailed repeatedly for not agreeing to admit to something I didn’t do should speak to the fact of how much guts and integrity I have,” Bennett, whose wife divorced him after the attack, said during a news conference Monday, captured by Bangor Daily News. “If I go to D.C., I’m going to have that same integrity in doing what I say, and saying what I do, when it comes to protecting people’s rights, as well as their pocketbooks.”

Bennett’s legal efforts to fight the wife-beating charge ran out when the Maine Supreme Judicial Court upheld his conviction in 2004. But during the news conference to discuss his primary challenge to Collins, Bennett maintained the justice system is designed to “railroad” alleged domestic abusers.

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131 comments
1 nines09  Sat, Jan 4, 2014 6:32:28pm

“Bennett maintained the justice system is designed to “railroad” alleged domestic abusers.”
His was not alleged. His was a conviction. He’s proud of that. Speaks volumes. He’ll be a Rush/Hannity hero.

2 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 4, 2014 7:52:12pm

More and more the teahadis are passing the line between stupid and evil.

3 nines09  Sat, Jan 4, 2014 8:58:05pm

re: #2 Romantic Heretic

That makes them all the more popular. His stance sums it up. Read his Facebook remarks on the link in my comment. A real Tea Bag winner fighting for truth liberty and his way of corruption. I find it amusing that now the GOP is concerned. Concerned after the Tea bags pissed all over the American people. Sure they are. Their lap dog is coming after THEM. That is their ONLY concern. They deserve to rip each other apart.

4 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:24:45am

I was waiting for the tea party to embrace MRAs. Looks like it’s happening.

5 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:52:12am

The TP is nothing but sociopaths electing sociopaths.

I think that happened before, in another country.

6 garzooma  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 9:24:12am

Saw this in the story:

“I would be surprised if he gets a sufficient number of Republicans in Maine to sign nomination papers to put him on the ballot,” the GOP chairman added.

It will be worth seeing if he’s right.

7 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 10:06:44am

Sounds like a coward and a bully to me.

8 Just never mind.  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 10:13:19am

And want to bet he’s in church today? And feeling righteous? Scumbag that he is.

9 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 10:52:41am

He probably feels innocent because he cannot see anything criminal in his actions. And there as a time in a more “traditional” America when such things were not prosecuted.

10 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 10:53:21am

It’s turtles batshit crazy all the way down.

11 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 10:58:48am

Super. Just super.

12 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:02:54am

These guys do not retreat, they reload. They do not dIstance themselves from outrageous claims or statements, they idolize the people who make them.

And they do not express doubts about Evolution or climate science, they denounce them as lies from they pit of hell.

14 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:04:47am

Another one from the GOP rebranding vault:


Steve Lonegan had claimed he was through with politics. Now? He’s decided that in order to get to Congress, he’s going to find a place in South Jersey to run instead of Northern NJ that wants nothing to do with him.

15 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:06:39am
Bennett’s comments fuel growing Republican unease with his candidacy. He posted a slew of offensive Facebook comments in December, including one calling Rep. Mike Michaud (D- Maine) a “closet homo.”

What a charmer. Please proceed. //

16 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:11:30am

re: #15 CuriousLurker
Bennett’s comments fuel growing Republican unease with his candidacy. He posted a slew of offensive Facebook comments in December, including one calling Rep. Mike Michaud (D- Maine) a “closet homo.”

What a charmer. Please proceed. //

Hopefully somebody has been pulling screen caps of all his stupidity. He needs this posted again and again. He needs people showing up at every one of his events with nice posters showing his statements in his own words. Then let him scream about “being taken out of context”*

RBS
* Meaning “you quoted me accurately, but I don’t like it”

17 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:17:28am

re: #9 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

He probably feels innocent because he cannot see anything criminal in his actions. And there as a time in a more “traditional” America when such things were not prosecuted.

Whenever someone brings up something like that it reminds of the Texas “paramour law”, which wasn’t repealed until I was in the 5th grade.

Texas Trivia > Is it true you can shoot your wife’s lover if you catch them “in the act?”

This is commonly referred to as the “paramour law,” which referred to article 1220 of the Texas Penal Code. Article 1220 was repealed in 1973 by Senate Bill 34 during the 63rd Regular Session of the Texas Legislature. Prior to its repeal, article 1220 of the Texas Penal Code read as follows:

Homicide is justifiable upon one taken in the act of adultery with the wife, provided that the killing takes place before the parties to the act have separated. Such circumstance cannot justify a homicide where it appears that there has been, on the part of the husband, any connivance or assent to the adulterous connection.

18 blueraven  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:19:38am

The family that was stuck out on their balcony in the Manhattan high rise fire…live tweeting

Looks like a happy ending.

19 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:22:33am

re: #17 CuriousLurker

I would add that there was no such law (that I know of) that considered a wife shooting her husband’s lover in the same situation as “justifiable homicide”.

20 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:25:13am

A former friend of mine seriously believed that it shouldn’t be considered abuse if “you only slap her once”.

He was a subscriber to the “Men oughta keep their women in line” movement.

Now take one guess why we aren’t friends anymore.

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:26:15am

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Also, the law seems to only apply to either a heterosexual or lesbian sex act.

22 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:27:21am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, the law seems to only apply to either a heterosexual or lesbian sex act.

Good point. I hadn’t even thought of that.

23 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:29:47am

I think the 60’s expression,”male chauvinist pig” fits him to a “t.”

24 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:30:33am

This is what listening to spin doctors does for political people.

25 erik_t  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:32:31am

The real question is, when will the DemocRAT party stop THEIR war on women!!!!?!1

26 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:34:36am

On further thought, this man is a classic example of a libertarian.

He talks a lot about ‘freedom’ but what he means is he wants the power to act as he wishes when he wishes without fear of consequence.

Sad and sick people they are.

27 allegro  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:35:02am

re: #25 erik_t

The real question is, when will the DemocRAT party stop THEIR THERE war on ARE women!!!!?!1

just cuz

28 erik_t  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:36:20am

re: #27 allegro

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

29 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:37:51am

re: #28 erik_t

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

You’re a big culpa?

30 allegro  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:38:34am

re: #28 erik_t

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Your just to gud a speler to fake it rite

31 b.d.  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:38:43am

WikiLeaks is begging for some attention:

Wake me up when they leak something bad about China or Russia.

32 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:40:39am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

A former friend of mine seriously believed that it shouldn’t be considered abuse if “you only slap her once”.

He was a subscriber to the “Men oughta keep their women in line” movement.

Now take one guess why we aren’t friends anymore.

At 6-feet tall and close to 300 lbs. my son is well aware that he could seriously injure or even possibly kill a woman if he used physical violence against her (after which he would have to deal with me, which is quite a frightening thought to him even though he’s 30 years old now, heh).

He’s had past girlfriends raise their hands to him, but he’s big & strong enough that he was able to simply wrap his arms around them and immobilize them until they calmed down. Heck, he’s aware that his size alone is enough to terrify a woman if he gets really angry.

The only circumstance where I can see force being justified would be a woman coming at a man with a potentially deadly weapon like a baseball bat or something—if she does that then, yeah, go ahead and clock her in self defense.

33 Lidane  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:43:08am

re: #31 b.d.

Wake me up when they leak something bad about China or Russia.

I’ll be impressed when Wikileaks posts stuff about the drug cartels.

34 ausador  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:46:48am

re: #1 nines09

“Bennett maintained the justice system is designed to “railroad” alleged domestic abusers.”
His was not alleged. His was a conviction. He’s proud of that. Speaks volumes. He’ll be a Rush/Hannity hero.

A conviction followed by that conviction being upheld on appeal. If he was “railroaded” then I guess the appeals court was in on it as well as the lower court?

People who post “selfies” of their body building prowess ought to be automatically barred from running for public office. It speaks volumes about their mental state that they think they should emphasize their body image as being relevant to the average viewer. There should be a mandatory watermark attached to all such pictures that says “Asshole, very possibly an misogynist asshole” so that such images can not be later used to mislead people. :p

35 Kid A  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:51:57am

Meanwhile, on Planet Prudence:

36 Kid A  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 11:59:13am
37 b.d.  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:00:08pm

re: #35 Kid A

Meanwhile, on Planet Prudence:

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So Prudence signed up for Obamacare?

Color me doubtful.

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:03:06pm

If my life were legitimately threatened, I would hit a woman if necessary.

But ONLY out of self defense.

39 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:03:07pm

I just called my son’s house in NC and his girlfriend’s mom answered the phone to let me know they’re out grocery shopping. She has a heavy accent which, immediately upon hearing it, caused me to involuntarily start speaking with a Texas drawl so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Gawd, that’s annoying! Yet I can’t seem to stop it even when I’m aware of it… It’s like the Southern drawl version of Dueling Banjos. *headdesk*

40 ausador  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:06:12pm

I’m too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt, so sexy it hurts…

I’m a politician, you know what I mean
And I do my little turn on the talkradio
Yeah on the talkradio on the talkradio yeah
I save the real insanity for the talkradio…

Sigh…no sarc here unfortunately…

41 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:11:03pm

re: #39 CuriousLurker

I just called my son’s house in NC and his girlfriend’s mom answered the phone to let me know they’re out grocery shopping. She has a heavy accent which, immediately upon hearing it, caused me to involuntarily start speaking with a Texas drawl so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Gawd, that’s annoying! Yet I can’t seem to stop it even when I’m aware of it… It’s like the Southern drawl version of Dueling Banjos. *headdesk*

Lol.

42 blueraven  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:12:44pm

Yikes…Private Plane Crash at Aspen Airport

43 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:17:10pm

re: #42 blueraven

Yikes…Private Plane Crash at Aspen Airport

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How long before legal weed gets blamed? /only 1/4 kidding

RBS

44 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:19:42pm

re: #42 blueraven

Landing,,,
Take Off????

Because of the mountains, the wind gusts can be unpredictable and gnarly

45 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:20:24pm

re: #43 RealityBasedSteve

How long before legal weed gets blamed? /only 1/4 kidding

RBS

Cited for Flying High while Flying High!!!

46 ausador  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:20:54pm

re: #42 blueraven

Yikes…Private Plane Crash at Aspen Airport

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Not much available on this yet…

ASPEN, Colo. - The Pitkin County Sheriff’s Office confirms emergency crews are responding to an accident at the Aspen Airport.

Comedian Kevin Nealon tweeted: “Horrible plane crash here at Aspen airport. Exploded into flames as it was landing. I think it was a private jet.”

“Fire truck and ambulances were on the scene within minutes,” Nealon tweeted. “I don’t believe there are any survivors.”

“Airport is closed now. I think I’ll drive back to LA after seeing that,” Nealon posted.
Source:

47 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:22:43pm

re: #46 ausador

“Airport is closed now. I think I’ll drive back to LA after seeing that,” Nealon posted.

yeah Kevin. because there are never any fatal car crashes!!

48 blueraven  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:22:48pm

re: #44 sattv4u2

Landing,,,
Take Off????

Because of the mountains, the wind gusts can be unpredictable and gnarly

Looks like landing…originated from Tucson

49 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:23:19pm

re: #48 blueraven

thanks

50 blueraven  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:25:51pm

re: #47 sattv4u2

“Airport is closed now. I think I’ll drive back to LA after seeing that,” Nealon posted.

yeah Kevin. because there are never any fatal car crashes!!

Of course there are, but it is a pretty traumatic event to witness a horrific plane crash in person.
Would probably make one not so eager to hop on a plane anytime soon.

51 blueraven  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:29:43pm
52 Lidane  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:34:19pm
53 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:35:30pm

re: #52 Lidane

amen

54 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:35:51pm

re: #52 Lidane

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I am very thankful that my 86 year old grandmother who lives alone (in Ottawa, where I’m from) has awesome neighbours who do a great job of looking out for her.

Bless their hearts.

55 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:37:09pm

re: #51 blueraven

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ABC reporting at least one dead
abcnews.go.com

56 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:39:45pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

ABC reporting at least one dead
abcnews.go.com

Reported that 3 people were on board
1 dead ,,, 1 with serious injuries

57 blueraven  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:40:33pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

ABC reporting at least one dead
abcnews.go.com

Yeah, that’s what I am seeing too

Sad for any death, but if only one, that is probably about the best outcome imaginable at this point.

58 ausador  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:46:10pm

A view from outside the airport showing the smoke before fire crews got to the plane to extinguish it…

Useless video that shows nothing at all really, you can’t even hear 95% of what the people are saying over the horrendous wind noise from the camera mic.

Youtube Video

I guess it does serve to prove that it is really windy there currently if nothing else…

59 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:46:20pm

Fake account trying to create a hoax about Emma Stone being on that plane. Whacked him. No deleted. He may try to come back though.

60 blueraven  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:48:02pm

re: #59 Gus

Fake account trying to create a hoax about Emma Stone being on that plane. Whacked him. No deleted. He may try to come back though.

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smh

61 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:49:41pm

re: #58 ausador

A view from outside the airport showing the smoke before fire crews got to the plane to extinguish it…

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Useless video that shows nothing at all really, you can’t even hear 95% of what the people are saying over the horrendous wind noise from the camera mic.

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I guess it does serve to prove that it is really windy there currently if nothing else…

Yeah. The wind there can be horrific. It could be steady, right in your face pushing you backwards then all of a sudden whip around and knock you on your ass from behind

62 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:51:59pm

I’ve watched a gazzillion Liveleak videos of car crashes. You don’t want to drive. :O

63 Dr. Matt  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:54:02pm

I had to shut the windows today and turn on the AC again…..please do not curse or shoot the messenger.

64 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:55:49pm

re: #62 Gus

I’ve watched a gazzillion Liveleak videos of car crashes. You don’t want to drive. :O

I have no problem driving

it’s the OTHER idjits around me that scare the bejeebers out of me

65 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:57:08pm

re: #64 sattv4u2

I have no problem driving

it’s the OTHER idjits around me that scare the bejeebers out of me

Beware the Lada driver. //

66 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:58:21pm

re: #65 Gus

Beware the Lada driver. //

I give anyone in a Smart Car a very wide birth

One good gust of wind and they change lanes tout suite!!!!

67 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 12:58:57pm

re: #63 Dr. Matt

I had to shut the windows today and turn on the AC again…..please do not curse or shoot the messenger.

[Reality Based Steve looks in the phonebook for “Bob’s Rent-A-Mob” and “Pitchforks-R-Us”] Hurmmph

RBS

68 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:00:36pm

re: #63 Dr. Matt

I had to shut the windows today and turn on the AC again…..please do not curse or shoot the messenger.

Great. Now I’ll have to go plant another tree to offset your carbon footprint, ya selfish bahstahd !!!

//

69 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:00:46pm

re: #62 Gus

Odds of injuries in car crash are several magnitudes higher than odds of injuries in a plane or rail crash.

It’s that plane or rail crashes are far more newsworthy because they actually occur infrequently.


besthealthdegrees.com

It’s perception of risks that skew things. Even though it happens far more frequently, we tend to think driving is safe because we all do it. Except that it isn’t safe - thanks to weather conditions, other drivers, and road conditions.

70 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:01:24pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

I give anyone in a Smart Car a very wide birth

One good gust of wind and they change lanes tout suite!!!!

Yeah, those things are tounces.

71 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:03:08pm

re: #63 Dr. Matt

I had to shut the windows today and turn on the AC again…..please do not curse or shoot the messenger.

You monster! //

72 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:04:25pm

By Rob Gonzalves

73 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:04:49pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

I give anyone in a Smart Car a very wide birth

One good gust of wind and they change lanes tout suite!!!!

That happened to my ex, it was the wind from a passing train during a snowstorm. Spun her around facing into oncoming lane. Really lucky there was no oncoming traffic.

74 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:05:18pm

Crap. There goes the DSL. Back on the fucking crappy stupid piece of shit worthless limited VirginMobile2Go fuck shit damn bullshit crap.

75 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:07:16pm

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

That happened to my ex, it was the wind from a passing train during a snowstorm. Spun her around facing into oncoming lane. Really lucky there was no oncoming traffic.

wow,,, Thank God

yeah ,,, I was following one last winter. She was in the center (of 3) lanes,,, I was in the left about 4-5 car lengths behind. i felt a huge gust from my left and had to hold the wheel pretty steady (I was in a Nissan Altima) ,, I saw her move an entire lane over! Thankfully nobody was in that lane

76 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:09:24pm

Exclamation point. Smiley face.

77 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:12:52pm

Looks like the Cinci Bengals are gonna lose another playoff game. Most likely the fans will call for Marvin Lewis head. I am not a fan of the team, but I do think Marvin Lewis has been the best thing for that team, and he didn’t throw all the interceptions.

78 Snarknado!  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:13:01pm

re: #74 Gus

Crap. There goes the DSL. Back on the fucking crappy stupid piece of shit worthless limited VirginMobile2Go fuck shit damn bullshit crap.

! :)

(Now tell us what you REALLY think.)

79 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:14:40pm

re: #78 Snarknado!

! :)

(Now tell us what you REALLY think.)

Yeah. Sick of this bologna life living like it’s 1972 Russia.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:17:52pm

re: #35 Kid A

Meanwhile, on Planet Prudence:

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Prudence, it’s called a new year, a new deductible starts..

82 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:19:53pm

Images embedded in comments can now have captions. If they don’t look right to you, you probably need to reload the page.

83 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:20:42pm

re: #69 lawhawk

Odds of injuries in car crash are several magnitudes higher than odds of injuries in a plane or rail crash.

It’s that plane or rail crashes are far more newsworthy because they actually occur infrequently.

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besthealthdegrees.com

It’s perception of risks that skew things. Even though it happens far more frequently, we tend to think driving is safe because we all do it. Except that it isn’t safe - thanks to weather conditions, other drivers, and road conditions.

Same thing with terrorism. I have no idea what the exact statistics are, but I’d venture a guess that the chances of getting maimed or killed by terrorists in the U.S. is much, much lower than the chance of something like getting struck by lightning. Unsurprisingly, the chances are higher in Israel and, comparatively speaking, astronomical if you’re a Muslim living in the Middle East.

84 Snarknado!  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:21:44pm

re: #79 Gus

Yeah. Sick of this bologna life living like it’s 1972 Russia.

{{Gus}}

I’ve had years like that, too.

85 ausador  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:21:56pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Images embedded in comments can now have captions. If they don’t look right to you, you probably need to reload the page.

Thank You Charles, that was a very quick response. :)

86 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:23:40pm

re: #85 ausador

Thank You Charles, that was a very quick response. :)

I’m still cursing you for posting that creep’s selfie since it’s imposssible to unsee it now. //

87 dog philosopher  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:28:02pm

re: #74 Gus

VirginMobile2Go

if they turn out not to be virgins can i take them back to the store and get a replacement?

88 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:28:04pm

No skiing for you…

89 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:29:23pm

re: #87 dog philosopher

if they turn out not to be virgins can i take them back to the store and get a replacement?

Sorry, once the factory seal is broken, no refunds or exchanges.

RBS

90 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:30:07pm

re: #87 dog philosopher

if they turn out not to be virgins can i take them back to the store and get a replacement?

There’s probably a good joke in there somewhere about jihadi cell phones… //

91 Lidane  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:31:01pm

Currently debating the case of the Colorado baker that was sued by a gay couple because he refused to make them a cake for their civil union. My “Constitutional Conservative” FB friend is arguing that the state has no right to force people to sell to others based on their beliefs. Apparently, it would be exactly like a Gentile suing a kosher deli to force them to serve bacon.

I am being very patient right now.

92 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:32:35pm

re: #91 Lidane

Currently debating the case of the Colorado baker that was sued by a gay couple because he refused to make them a cake for their civil union. My “Constitutional Conservative” FB friend is arguing that the state has no right to force people to sell to others based on their beliefs. Apparently, it would be exactly like a Gentile suing a kosher deli to force them to serve bacon.

I am being very patient right now.

Please don’t tell me that people are STILL trying to use that type of argument? It’s more like a kosher deli that sells pastrami on rye to everybody that comes in, not just those they choose to.

RBS

93 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:33:28pm

re: #91 Lidane

Currently debating the case of the Colorado baker that was sued by a gay couple because he refused to make them a cake for their civil union. My “Constitutional Conservative” FB friend is arguing that the state has no right to force people to sell to others based on their beliefs. Apparently, it would be exactly like a Gentile suing a kosher deli to force them to serve bacon.

I am being very patient right now.

I have a client that knows this guy. Was talking to him about this a couple of weeks ago. No comment.

94 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:33:34pm

re: #91 Lidane

Currently debating the case of the Colorado baker that was sued by a gay couple because he refused to make them a cake for their civil union. My “Constitutional Conservative” FB friend is arguing that the state has no right to force people to sell to others based on their beliefs. Apparently, it would be exactly like a Gentile suing a kosher deli to force them to serve bacon.

I am being very patient right now.

Yeah, because a kosher deli would totally have bacon on hand, they’d just be opposed to selling it to gentiles. // *facepalm*

You have way more patience than I.

95 Gus  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:34:18pm

Anywho. Later.

96 dog philosopher  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:36:35pm

re: #89 RealityBasedSteve

Sorry, once the factory seal is broken, no refunds or exchanges.

RBS

well, that’s the price you pay for the convenience factor of being able to get your virgins wrapped and ready to take out

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:37:20pm

wow…really worrying about Hoops now…

98 dog philosopher  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:38:31pm

re: #91 Lidane

Currently debating the case of the Colorado baker that was sued by a gay couple because he refused to make them a cake for their civil union. My “Constitutional Conservative” FB friend is arguing that the state has no right to force people to sell to others based on their beliefs. Apparently, it would be exactly like a Gentile suing a kosher deli to force them to serve bacon.

I am being very patient right now.

if you postulate a world where people are bacon, it almost makes sense

but even then it doesn’t make sense

99 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:38:37pm
100 dog philosopher  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:41:55pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

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why are all the SQLs so totally unstandardized?

101 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:42:07pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is very cold. NE Philly will be cold too. forecast.weather.gov

102 Just never mind.  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:42:09pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll call him again. I’m worried too.

103 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:42:35pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow…really worrying about Hoops now…

[Embedded content]

Is HH up in the Rhinelander area? That -39* place. I hope he knows how worried he has us all, and better be ready to take us all out for dinner when this is over.
RBS

104 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:42:57pm
105 ausador  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:44:03pm

re: #89 RealityBasedSteve

Sorry, once the factory seal is broken, no refunds or exchanges.

RBS

Please don’t break the seal…

re: #86 CuriousLurker

I’m still cursing you for posting that creep’s selfie since it’s imposssible to unsee it now. //

What has been seen…

Edit: Yep, captions on embedded images work now, hooray!

106 Kragar  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:46:18pm

Realized last night that I could look at my CBR files on my new tablet, so much easier to read there. Copying over my Sandman, Dredd, and Preacher collection to read.

107 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:47:12pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Geeze, and I thought that the default behavior in IIS with SQL was bad, but that sounds about 1/2 baby step below criminal.

RBS

108 Lidane  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:47:40pm

re: #98 dog philosopher

if you postulate a world where people are bacon, it almost makes sense

but even then it doesn’t make sense

His argument is that the state forcing the baker to make a cake for the gay couple is exactly like the state forcing a kosher deli to sell bacon to a Gentile. When I pointed out that the kosher deli wouldn’t sell bacon to anybody no matter who they are but the bakery will generally sell cakes to everybody that walks through the door, he countered with the idea that the state has no right to force anyone to sell to someone else if it conflicts with their personal beliefs.

Like I said, I’m being patient. Mostly I’m just deflecting to Colorado state law, pointing out that the suit is based on their civil union laws and how they’re written.

109 Mattand  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:49:37pm

From Slate:

Why Snowden Won’t (and Shouldn’t) Get Clemency

I’m sure this has probably covered here in this the neck of the woods, but it’s still worth reading again.

110 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:49:45pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

I maintain that Paul Brown Stadium is cursed by the deal brokered on the backs of Hamilton County tax payers. While I admire Marvin (and agree with you) and many of the players, I can’t get past my loathing of Bengals’ ownership. But Mike Brown will continue to prosper in spite of what the team does. And we will continue to pay.

111 dog philosopher  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:50:41pm

re: #108 Lidane

His argument is that the state forcing the baker to make a cake for the gay couple is exactly like the state forcing a kosher deli to sell bacon to a Gentile. When I pointed out that the kosher deli wouldn’t sell bacon to anybody no matter who they are but the bakery will generally sell cakes to everybody that walks through the door, he countered with the idea that the state has no right to force anyone to sell to someone else if it conflicts with their personal beliefs.

Like I said, I’m being patient. Mostly I’m just deflecting to Colorado state law, pointing out that the suit is based on their civil union laws and how they’re written.

i’m tempted to ask him what he would think if he started seeing signs saying “we will not sell to anybody who thinks it’s ok to discriminate; please be prepared to state your beliefs before service”

112 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:52:07pm

re: #107 RealityBasedSteve

They warn you very explicitly about it on the PHP site. But I just think it’s completely insane that dumping out a backtrace with all kinds of security issues is the default behavior. That’s a hell of a penalty for forgetting to catch an exception.

113 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 1:54:46pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

They warn you very explicitly about it on the PHP site. But I just think it’s completely insane that dumping out a backtrace with all kinds of security issues is the default behavior. That’s a hell of a penalty for forgetting to catch an exception.

Especially, since as I tell my students, “There are an almost infinite number of exceptions that COULD occur, and you can only anticipate an Infinite - X number of them”

RBS

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:07:18pm

re: #1 nines09

“Bennett maintained the justice system is designed to “railroad” alleged domestic abusers.”
His was not alleged. His was a conviction. He’s proud of that. Speaks volumes. He’ll be a Rush/Hannity hero.

And Collins will squash him like the toad he is. Maine isn’t Texas.

115 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:08:29pm

re: #108 Lidane

…he countered with the idea that the state has no right to force anyone to sell to someone else if it conflicts with their personal beliefs.

So if a bakery owned by blacks refused to sell to whites, or if one owned by Muslims refused to sell to Jews or Christians, that would be totally okay.

Brilliant critical thinker you’ve got on your hands there. //

116 kirkspencer  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:09:55pm

re: #108 Lidane

His argument is that the state forcing the baker to make a cake for the gay couple is exactly like the state forcing a kosher deli to sell bacon to a Gentile. When I pointed out that the kosher deli wouldn’t sell bacon to anybody no matter who they are but the bakery will generally sell cakes to everybody that walks through the door, he countered with the idea that the state has no right to force anyone to sell to someone else if it conflicts with their personal beliefs.

Like I said, I’m being patient. Mostly I’m just deflecting to Colorado state law, pointing out that the suit is based on their civil union laws and how they’re written.

Take him (I’m guessing him) old-school and use the camel’s nose. “Is it ok for a restaurant manager to refuse to serve blacks?” Odds are he’ll say ‘no’. If not you may need new friends. But I digress.

If he says no, then ask why the government can force one and not the other. Remind him that several of the refusals were defended on biblical/religious basis.

117 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:11:12pm

re: #115 CuriousLurker

So if a bakery owned by blacks refused to sell to whites, or if one owned by Muslims refused to sell to Jews or Christians, that would be totally okay.

Brilliant critical thinker you’ve got on your hands there. //

There are people who think that way, but the law does not agree with them. If that baker doesn’t want to make wedding cakes for gay people, then he can stop making wedding cakes entirely and try to make a living baking cookies.

118 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:12:04pm

I refuse to sell to the following groups;

Lawful Good
Neutral Good
Chaotic Good
Chaotic Neutral
Neutral Evil
Chaotic Evil

119 Mattand  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:12:26pm

re: #91 Lidane

Currently debating the case of the Colorado baker that was sued by a gay couple because he refused to make them a cake for their civil union. My “Constitutional Conservative” FB friend is arguing that the state has no right to force people to sell to others based on their beliefs. Apparently, it would be exactly like a Gentile suing a kosher deli to force them to serve bacon.

I am being very patient right now.

I’ve known a guy who runs a florist since we were like 12. Over the years, he has unfortunately become the walking definition of everything that’s wrong with conservatives: believes everything on Fox News; uses political incorrectness to spout bigotry; sent around paranoid chain e-mails; etc.

A good friend of ours in high school came out years later. When the subject came up about how he was doing, the response was “Who cares? That faggot’s probably dead from AIDS.”

It’s probably a matter of “when”, and not “if”, that he’ll be on the news as the local florist who told a gay couple that he won’t do business with them because of their lifestyle.

120 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:13:08pm

As if the weather isn’t enough…

Suspected bomb threat causes plane to make emergency landing at KCI

Read more: kshb.com

“Airport Spokesperson Joe McBride says the American Airline flight, coming from San Francisco International Airport to John F. Kennedy International Airport, landed after someone found a flash drive taped to the bathroom wall.”

121 Lidane  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:13:11pm

re: #115 CuriousLurker

So if a bakery owned by blacks refused to sell to whites, or if one owned by Muslims refused to sell to Jews or Christians, that would be totally okay.

Brilliant critical thinker you’ve got on your hands there. //

It amazes me that I even had to point out how he’s arguing against the entire concept of civil rights. We don’t allow Whites Only lunch counters anymore. Businesses can’t refuse service because of gender or because someone is Asian or Jewish or in a wheelchair. Why should sexual orientation be any different? Because someone’s religious views consist of “EW! GAY PEOPLE!”? Not good enough.

No response yet. I’m assuming I broke his brain.

122 Mattand  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:13:53pm

re: #118 Varek Raith

I refuse to sell to the following groups;

Lawful Good
Neutral Good
Chaotic Good
Chaotic Neutral
Neutral Evil
Chaotic Evil

What if their Charisma is above 15?

123 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:14:45pm

re: #122 Mattand

What if they’re Charisma is above 15?

Depends on how annoying I find them.

124 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:14:52pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

And Collins will squash him like the toad he is. Maine isn’t Texas.

I was just thinking that he reminded me of your skeevy (ex) Illinois GOP congressman Joe Walsh’s and child support (and other) issues.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:16:13pm

re: #108 Lidane

His argument is that the state forcing the baker to make a cake for the gay couple is exactly like the state forcing a kosher deli to sell bacon to a Gentile. When I pointed out that the kosher deli wouldn’t sell bacon to anybody no matter who they are but the bakery will generally sell cakes to everybody that walks through the door, he countered with the idea that the state has no right to force anyone to sell to someone else if it conflicts with their personal beliefs.

Like I said, I’m being patient. Mostly I’m just deflecting to Colorado state law, pointing out that the suit is based on their civil union laws and how they’re written.

That’s like suing a greasy spoon diner because they refuse to sell you caviar and filet mignon, or a Michelin 5 Star restaurant for refusing to sell chilidogs or bottomless-buckets-of-grits (oh yes, the latter is actually a thing in the South).

126 Lidane  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:16:27pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

And Collins will squash him like the toad he is. Maine isn’t Texas.

Oh, I’m sure Collins will win. The thing to look at, however, is who lines up to support this guy.

127 dog philosopher  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:19:18pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

bottomless-buckets-of-grits

sounds like one of those paradoxes from set theory

“if you eat a bottomless bucket of grits from the bottom up…”

128 dog philosopher  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:19:44pm

re: #126 Lidane

Oh, I’m sure Collins will win. The thing to look at, however, is who lines up to support this guy.

and how much the primary fight damages collins

129 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 2:42:51pm

re: #118 Varek Raith

How very diabolical of you.

130 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 3:03:37pm

JR at Freep has had it with bogus Million Man/Truck/Motorcycle/Skateboard protests. He is calling for a Ten Million Man March on DC.

131 Lidane  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 3:05:00pm

re: #130 Decatur Deb

JR at Freep has had it with bogus Million Man/Truck/Motorcycle/Skateboard protests. He is calling for a Ten Million Man March on DC.

Dear JR,

Youtube Video

That is all.

No love,
Me


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