Daredevil Volume 1, Issue 16: “Enter…Spider-Man!”

Matt Murdock vs. Peter Parker
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Daredevil #16, published in May 1966, featured one of those “mistaken identity” battles between Daredevil and yes, Spider-Man. The Masked Marauder tricked Spider-Man into thinking Daredevil was his enemy; Marvel superheroes were always falling for this one.

And what’s more, DD kicked Spidey’s ass. I don’t need to tell you how difficult that was.

(The Lizard Collection copy of this classic comic is in excellent condition, with super-bright inks, white pages, and just a few creases on the cover.)

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1 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 7:43:40pm

The first Daredevil I remember reading has a much lamer “super hero”…

2 Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2015 7:45:09pm

re: #1 Kragar

Silver Age comics were the best comics.

3 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 7:48:51pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Silver Age comics were the best comics.

Didn’t really start collecting till the early 80s. I did have a few great finds though. Found this at a yard sale for a nickel.

4 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 7:52:11pm
6 jaunte  Apr 15, 2015 7:59:14pm

Science fiction thread:

7 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 8:00:56pm

For those of you who haven’t seen it, the fight from episode 2

…

“Hmm, let me see what is going on in the other ro..”

*mini-fridge to the head*

8 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 8:08:43pm

re: #7 Kragar

It’s worth noting that the fight choreographer for the Daredevil series is also the fight choreographer for the upcoming Deadpool movie.

If those fights are even half as good as what I’ve seen in Daredevil, I will be happy.

9 #FergusonFireside  Apr 15, 2015 8:08:57pm
10 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 8:11:15pm

re: #9 #FergusonFireside

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11 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 15, 2015 8:19:39pm

Well. Fu*k. According to the IRS, my ex and I had to file jointly one last time. Because the company that handled her retirement fund didn’t get her papers to her till Monday, we didn’t get the taxes out till today. So I sign them this morning and think maybe we’ll get a decent refund for a change.

I just got off the phone with her. She forgot the W2s & other income support documents when she mailed the 1040…

Now what?

I’ve asked her to call the IRS in the morning. And on that cheerful note, I’m off to the hotel trying not to be too upset but it’s really really hard right now.

Later lizards.

12 freetoken  Apr 15, 2015 8:21:02pm

re: #11 William Barnett-Lewis

You can amend returns. If the IRS cares, they will ask for the documentation.

13 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2015 8:23:02pm

re: #12 freetoken

You can amend returns. If the IRS cares, they will ask for the documentation.

This expecting you to send copies of documents that they already have copies of is bullshit in the first place.

14 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 8:23:36pm
15 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 15, 2015 8:26:17pm

re: #7 Kragar

It seems to me like both the choreographer and the editor have been looking at stuff like Oldboy and The Raid. Which is good. The whole “cut before the blow lands” thing is tiresome to watch.

This video is about action comedy, but it’s more general description of Jackie Chan’s method of filming fight scenes kept springing to mind watching Daredevil.

16 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 8:27:44pm

re: #15 The Ghost of a Flea

The hall fight from Oldboy was my first thought when I saw that fight from Daredevil

17 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 15, 2015 8:32:43pm

Not a lot of things on TV more spooky than the back of Vincent D’Onofrio’s head as he stares at a plane of white.

I really like his Wilson Fisk.

18 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 8:33:14pm

re: #8 Lidane

It’s worth noting that the fight choreographer for the Daredevil series is also the fight choreographer for the upcoming Deadpool movie.

If those fights are even half as good as what I’ve seen in Daredevil, I will be happy.

Waiting for the next round of test footage for Deadpool

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19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2015 8:42:41pm

The latest from GotNwes:

BREAKING: Black judge in #WalterScott case has son who says stuff @GotNewsDotCom doesn’t like

We know it’s hard to believe, but the South Carolina judge who will hear the Walter Scott murder case is African-American. Not only that, he has a son (also African-American) who thinks policemen shooting black suspects dead is, like, a totally bad thing.

Chuck C. Johnson, editor-in-thief of the ironically named GotNewsDotCom blog, disagrees.

20 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 15, 2015 8:43:53pm

DAMN YOU ALL!!!! I was getting ready to go to bed, and now I MUST watch an episode of Daredevil. Curse you and your lizardly ways.

RBS
PS. Saw the series finale of Justified. No spoilers, just that they did an excellent job of it.

21 Belafon  Apr 15, 2015 8:44:13pm

re: #18 Kragar

Waiting for the next round of test footage for Deadpool

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if that’s in the movie, no one can ever accuse Marvel of sticking to a formula.

22 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 15, 2015 8:45:16pm

re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The latest from GotNwes:

BREAKING: Black judge in #WalterScott case has son who says stuff @GotNewsDotCom doesn’t like

When the Zombies come, we’re all going to be one big all you can eat buffet for them, and upChuck, being brainless, will simply wander about them without the least danger.

Just doesn’t seem right.

RBS

23 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 8:49:00pm

re: #21 Belafon

I guessing it will be too much to ask for them to include Bob, Agent of Hydra.

24 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2015 8:50:13pm

re: #22 RealityBasedSteve

When the Zombies come, we’re all going to be one big all you can eat buffet for them, and upChuck, being brainless, will simply wander about them without the least danger.

Just doesn’t seem right.

RBS

The boy can take one fact (a judge), another fact (his son), some critical remarks by the son, and connect the dots to suggest the judge is some kind of Black Panther dude.

Then, near the end of the piece, he says: “It’s unclear how many of the younger Newman’s views the other Newman shares.”

0_o

25 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 9:07:28pm

The citation carries a potential fine of $2,000. When she goes to court on June 23, she said, she will argue that she should be allowed to continue sharing her food because it is a valid expression of her faith under the state’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

“One of the police officers said, ‘Ma’am, if you want to pray, go to church,’” she told WOAI-TV. “And I said, ‘This is how I pray — when I cook this food and deliver it to the people who are less fortunate.”

26 Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2015 9:08:02pm

re: #3 Kragar

You mean this one?

27 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 15, 2015 9:10:10pm

re: #24 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The boy can take one fact (a judge), another fact (his son), some critical remarks by the son, and connect the dots to suggest the judge is some kind of Black Panther dude.

Then, near the end of the piece, he says: “It’s unclear how many of the younger Newman’s views the other Newman shares.”

0_o

Again, upChuck makes giant leap, fails miserably.

28 #FergusonFireside  Apr 15, 2015 9:11:41pm

Night all!

29 Romantic Heretic  Apr 15, 2015 9:12:00pm

re: #25 Kragar

I laughed imagining the wingnuts reading this and having their heads explode. That’s not what we meant!

30 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 9:13:31pm

re: #27 RealityBasedSteve

Again, upChuck makes giant leap, fails miserably.

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I will stop laughing at that gif eventually, I swear.

31 darthstar  Apr 15, 2015 9:18:24pm

I just watched episode 11 - sorry to see Mr. Westley go. He had an andministrative sinister quality to him that was rather admirable.

Saving 12 and 13 for Friday night. Gotta go see the Giants tomorrow…win or lose, we’re still World Champions until October.

32 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 9:19:13pm

re: #31 darthstar

I just watched episode 11 - sorry to see Mr. Westley go. He had an andministrative sinister quality to him that was rather admirable.

Saving 12 and 13 for Friday night. Gotta go see the Giants tomorrow…win or lose, we’re still World Champions until October.

LA didn’t even make the hockey playoffs this year.

I take my victories where I can get them.

33 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 15, 2015 9:20:19pm

re: #24 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

the judge is some kind of Black Panther dude.

I, for one, am horrified at the thought of Wakandan law being enforced within the sovereign USA.

34 darthstar  Apr 15, 2015 9:20:28pm

re: #30 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I will stop laughing at that gif eventually, I swear.

Has anybody called him yet? Or does he not know about 1 900 HOT ASIAN WIVES yet?…yes, it’s a 900 number. Only $3.75 a minute and “Yes, honey!”’ is all you hear.

35 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 9:22:47pm

Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.

At least three of reserve deputy Robert Bates’ supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-required training, multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the World.

Additionally, Sheriff Stanley Glanz told a Tulsa radio station this week that Bates had been certified to use three weapons, including a revolver he fired at Harris. However, Glanz said the Sheriff’s Office has not been able to find the paperwork on those certifications.

36 A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2015 9:28:03pm

re: #32 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Chicago and Nashville are tied 3-3 in the second overtime of the first game of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Wait, Chicago just won!

Now Mrs Cranky will expect me to take her to a game. She knows a number of players so it’s always an interesting time.

But crowds make me cranky. Okay, I’m already cranky. Crowds make me grumpy. ;)

37 Amory Blaine  Apr 15, 2015 9:28:58pm

My faves as a kid were the X-Men and the Fantastic 4. I also liked Richie Rich and every war comic I could get my hands on. There was a used comic book store in the city we loved called Chets(?) where you could get a whole box for like a buck or two.

38 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 9:29:27pm

re: #36 A Cranky One

Chicago and Nashville are tied 3-3 in the second overtime of the first game of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Wait, Chicago just won!

Now Mrs Cranky will expect me to take her to a game. She knows a number of players so it’s always an interesting time.

But crowds make me cranky. Okay, I’m already cranky. Crowds make me grumpy. ;)

Playoff hockey is totally worth it. Totally.

The Cup Finals are just …yeah. One game is all I ever got to, and we lost that one, but we won the Cup. Oh man.

Both my main teams are out this year, but so’s LA so whatever. My sister would love to see CHI win though.

39 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 9:33:39pm

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40 Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2015 9:34:28pm
41 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 9:35:36pm

re: #37 Amory Blaine

X-Men and its related comics, Thor, Iron Man, and Punisher were my usual “must get”

42 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 9:41:29pm

I also had a large collection of Micronauts and Rom, Space Knight.

43 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 15, 2015 9:42:21pm

Ok, IRS Web site says not to amend or do anything. They will request what they want from us. It will “just” slow things down.

Sucks because I had my eye on a sweet amp- a VHT special 12/20 RT handwired tube amp. Very similar to the classic blackface Fender Princeton Reverb. Perhaps I’ll find another one at a good price when the refund finally gets here.

44 A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2015 9:42:39pm

re: #38 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Mrs Cranky used to be the massage therapist for the Quad City Mallards during their great years and had the opportunity before and after games to meet a lot of players from other teams. So whenever we go to games, she points out players she’s met or knows. Has lots of good stories for most of them. She also enjoys annoying me by telling me which of them have cute butts…

45 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 9:43:15pm

re: #44 A Cranky One

Mrs Cranky used to be the massage therapist for the Quad City Mallards during their great years and had the opportunity before and after games to meet a lot of players from other teams. So whenever we go to games, she points out players she’s met or knows. Has lots of good stories for most of them. She also enjoys annoying me by telling me which of them have cute butts…

…I suppose the proper response is not “I’m jealous.”

46 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 15, 2015 9:51:54pm

re: #35 Kragar

Now I’m wondering what else Sheriff Stanley Glanz was given personally for enabling what seems to be a number of unqualified people to play cop. This stinks and if the Sherrif keeps his job then I have to say that the rot in Tulsa County goes deep.

47 A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2015 9:56:15pm

re: #45 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…I suppose the proper response is not “I’m jealous.”

We’ve seen several get checked hard into the glass right in front of us, so I don’t feel at all jealous. ;)

She was well respected and super professional when working as a therapist, so I know she’s just kidding because she wouldn’t talk about clients that way. We both have a twisted sense of humor, She needs it, being married to me. ;)

48 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 9:58:55pm

re: #47 A Cranky One

We’ve seen several get checked hard into the glass right in front of us, so I don’t feel at all jealous. ;)

She was well respected and super professional when working as a therapist, so I know she’s just kidding because she wouldn’t talk about clients that way. We both have a twisted sense of humor, She needs it, being married to me. ;)

I’ve never gotten to sit by the glass for a pro or AHL game.

When we went to see my sister in October (fuck she graduates college the day after mr. klys’s knee surgery, this cannot be happening I am getting old), their team did an intra-team demo to raise money for the local youth hockey group and I got to sit right up by the glass.

Not a ton of checking though, because they didn’t want to injure anyone.

Of course, I had the good camera along…
49 Amory Blaine  Apr 15, 2015 10:01:31pm

re: #43 William Barnett-Lewis

Nice, I’d be interested to hear that one. Awhile back I contemplated getting a 4 watt Vox h/w tube amp that rocked. Still a little too loud for late night practice (I hate headphones). I’m wading into the digital arena to see if it works for me. So right now I’m running 2 HS7 Yamaha monitors out of a focusrite 2i2 interface. To get different tones and sounds for practice I’m running the Reaper DAW with VST plug-ins. S-Gear and Recabinet 4 for amp and cabinet sims and EZDrummer 2 for drum samples. I’ve been able to get pretty good tones out of it, especially considering I usually just play at the house. It’s been a challenge learning Reaper software, but I think I’ll get the hang of it. Recording myself has been good at identifying my many weaknesses. I’m also thinking about Band-In-A Box software but I can’t seem to find too many in-depth reviews right now.

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50 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 10:08:09pm

re: #43 William Barnett-Lewis

Ok, IRS Web site says not to amend or do anything. They will request what they want from us. It will “just” slow things down.

Sucks because I had my eye on a sweet amp- a VHT special 12/20 RT handwired tube amp. Very similar to the classic blackface Fender Princeton Reverb. Perhaps I’ll find another one at a good price when the refund finally gets here.

For whatever it is worth, I don’t know that we ever had scanned copies of our W2s, etc., when we filed electronically before switching to an accountant. We used TurboTax, whatever software H&R Block put out, etc.

Just a data point. I don’t know if you guys filed as paper forms though.

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 15, 2015 10:10:14pm

Interesting combo there. I’m wanting to keep it simple - a clean Fender type tone with some surf reverb suits me well. But still having serious crunch when I want it LOL

The 12/20 has a power attenuation knob that’ll drop it down to about 1/2 Watt for the late nights :)

52 A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2015 10:10:20pm

re: #48 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We’ve been to more Wolves games than Blackhawks games, but both are great. Mrs Cranky always gets seats in the second row behind the glass. Decent protection from flying pucks but I didn’t understand why she didn’t get front row seats. Then a player was smashed into the glass in front of us and beverages from the first row got splashed about. I should learn not to doubt her. She also seems to like seats near a goal. More interesting play.

53 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 10:11:43pm

re: #52 A Cranky One

The AHL team for the Sharks (the Barracudas!) is moving to San Jose this next season (part of the major move for several West Coast teams) and we are seriously entertaining the thought of season tickets. Or partial season tickets.

54 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2015 10:13:28pm

OK, I finally have an answer about the Capitol mailman fiasco:

At first he thought about using an ultralight fixed-wing plane, but that felt too threatening. He finally found the gyrocopter, which has unpowered helicopter blades on top for lift but gets its thrust from a propeller on the back. The cockpit, if you can call it that, is wide open. “This is as transparent a vehicle that I could come up with,” Hughes said. “You can literally see through it.” He can land the craft in a space the size of half a basketball court.

That’s called an autogyro, ya nimrods.

55 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 10:19:00pm

And I admit, this is not a project I am majorly keen on working on right now. Sigh. I can’t start something else because I’d never come back and finish this, but…

56 Single-handed sailor  Apr 15, 2015 10:19:13pm

re: #53 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The AHL team for the Sharks (the Barracudas!) is moving to San Jose this next season (part of the major move for several West Coast teams) and we are seriously entertaining the thought of season tickets. Or partial season tickets.

I haven’t been to a hockey game since the Seals played in Oakland. $6.50 would get great seats. Some local Manitoba guys played on the team. They were notorious for fighting. Good times.

57 Amory Blaine  Apr 15, 2015 10:19:28pm

re: #51 William Barnett-Lewis

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58 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 10:20:22pm

re: #56 Single-handed sailor

I haven’t been to a hockey game since the Seals played in Oakland. $6.50 would get great seats. Some local Manitoba guys played on the team. They were notorious for fighting. Good times.

If you end up coming down to see SJ play (either NHL or AHL), you should ping me. :) There’s still the occasional fight or two but nothing like it used to be. Just a lot of good, hard hockey and a good time.

59 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 15, 2015 10:21:08pm

re: #57 Amory Blaine

Yep :) With a big helping of Ventures on the side.

60 Amory Blaine  Apr 15, 2015 10:29:54pm

re: #59 William Barnett-Lewis

There is a music trade show going on in Germany right now and there are going to be some new products introduced if you’re interested.

Musikmesse 2015 News

Also, here is a good board for guitar players.
The Gear Page

61 A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2015 10:31:50pm

re: #51 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #49 Amory Blaine

Got a very nice 30 watt tube amp with overdrive and reverb driving a classic Celestion speaker. Great sound. But my primary practice amp tends to be this: Cube 30

Very portable, good sound, lots of built in effects so you don’t need effects pedals and has held up very well.

62 A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2015 10:35:22pm

re: #60 Amory Blaine

Thanks!

63 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 10:41:20pm

I found ants in the bathroom again.

I am not happy.

64 A Cranky One  Apr 15, 2015 10:42:14pm

re: #49 Amory Blaine

I’d be interested with your experiences in the digital arena. I’ve been thinking about trying a bit of that myself, but haven’t had time to do much investigating.

But right now I should pretend to be a responsible adult and get some sleep for an early work day tomorrow. Or at least pretend to sleep. Sigh. Insomnia sucks.

Later, lizards.

65 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 10:43:14pm

re: #64 A Cranky One

I’d be interested with your experiences in the digital arena. I’ve been thinking about trying a bit of that myself, but haven’t had time to do much investigating.

But right now I should pretend to be a responsible adult and get some sleep for an early work day tomorrow. Or at least pretend to sleep. Sigh. Insomnia sucks.

Later, lizards.

Who wants to be a responsible adult?

Not me.

66 Ace-o-aces  Apr 15, 2015 10:47:15pm

Looks like Upchuck got into the medicine cabinet again.

Unlike Chucky, Odin Lloyd was employed and well liked.

67 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 15, 2015 10:51:17pm

re: #61 A Cranky One

Got a very nice 30 watt tube amp with overdrive and reverb driving a classic Celestion speaker. Great sound. But my primary practice amp tends to be this: Cube 30

Very portable, good sound, lots of built in effects so you don’t need effects pedals and has held up very well.

I’ve looked at the cubes & the Mustang series pretty seriously, but I have a bee in my ear for a tube amp right now, especially since the only effect I’ve been using is reverb.

68 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 15, 2015 10:53:59pm

re: #60 Amory Blaine

I look at gear page a bit but do most of my gearheading at the Telecaster forum tdpri.com

That show looks fun though :)

69 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 15, 2015 10:55:37pm

The National Enquirer hits a new low (which is saying a lot)

EXCLUSIVE: HILLARY CLINTON LESBIAN LOVERS NAMED IN SECRET EMAILS (Freeper repost)

The freepers are naturally loving it, adding their own elaborations and theories. Huma Abedin, alleged agent of the Muslim Brotherhood (or perhaps Sisterhood to freepers), seems to be a favorite target.

70 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2015 10:58:58pm

re: #66 Ace-o-aces

Looks like Upchuck got into the medicine cabinet again.

Unlike Chucky, Odin Lloyd was employed and well liked.

He’s just inserting himself in the latest news thread again, saying anything that will get him attention.

For the 150th anniversary of the South’s surrender, he was babbling about always having been a supporter of Lincoln.

71 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 10:59:57pm

re: #70 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s just inserting himself in the latest news thread again, saying anything that will get him attention.

For the 150th anniversary of the South’s surrender, he was babbling about always having been a supporter of Lincoln.

We’re not talking about how the Senate Republicans support Lincoln, right?

72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2015 11:00:07pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

The National Enquirer hits a new low (which is saying a lot)

EXCLUSIVE: HILLARY CLINTON LESBIAN LOVERS NAMED IN SECRET EMAILS (Freeper repost)

The freepers are naturally loving it, adding their own elaborations and theories. Huma Abedin, alleged agent of the Muslim Brotherhood (or perhaps Sisterhood to freepers), seems to be a favorite target.

Uh-oh, looks someone found UpChuck’s missing scoop. //

73 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2015 11:01:40pm

re: #71 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We’re not talking about how the Senate Republicans support Lincoln, right?

Not planning to.

Rather ambiguous tweet, if you ask me.

74 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 11:03:15pm

re: #73 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Not planning to.

Rather ambiguous tweet, if you ask me.

Could certainly be read the wrong way.

Congrats on your raise, btw.

75 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 11:08:11pm

So roughly 22 years ago today, I gained a baby sister.

Fuck, I’m getting old.

76 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:10:21pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Any day where I can’t decide whether the National Enquirer or Gotnews. com comes off looking worse is…not a good day.

77 avnishgempundit  Apr 15, 2015 11:13:18pm

the flexibility of commenting here is very good
we can state or share out thoughts through images/videos

I visit many sites but the commenting and reading experience here is far better than others

78 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 11:14:01pm

re: #77 avnishgempundit

the flexibility of commenting here is very good
we can state or share out thoughts through images/videos

I visit many sites but the commenting and reading experience here is far better than others

Welcome hatchling.

Beer or donuts is customary. Your choice. :)

79 Single-handed sailor  Apr 15, 2015 11:15:17pm

re: #75 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So roughly 22 years ago today, I gained a baby sister.

Fuck, I’m getting old.

My daughter will be 22 in a few months. Wait till your body starts failing you, like when you stand up from sitting the ground like you have for five decades and something across your groin tears and you collapse saying, “Well, that never happened before!” then you’re getting old.

80 Single-handed sailor  Apr 15, 2015 11:18:55pm

The full Falcon 9 landing on the barge video has been released.

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81 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:19:41pm

re: #79 Single-handed sailor

My daughter will be 22 in a few months. Wait till your body starts failing you, like when you stand up from sitting the ground like you have for five decades and something across your groin tears and you collapse saying, “Well, that never happened before!” then you’re getting old.

Hell, I’m 33 and I’ve already noticed that, for example, I can’t pop up off the floor as fast as I could when I was 22. Also my knees don’t seem to work quite as well as they used to. Not that I’m in any rush to get older but man…

82 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 11:19:42pm

re: #79 Single-handed sailor

My daughter will be 22 in a few months. Wait till your body starts failing you, like when you stand up from sitting the ground like you have for five decades and something across your groin tears and you collapse saying, “Well, that never happened before!” then you’re getting old.

I’d laugh but mr. klys, on his trip to the orthopedic surgeon, was informed that the “muscle clumping” (his words, not mine) is a symptom of getting old.

I get all the previews.

But still, she’s like …3. She can’t be graduating from college, that means I need to get shit done.

83 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 11:20:24pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

Hell, I’m 33 and I’ve already noticed that, for example, I can’t pop up off the floor as fast as I could when I was 22. Also my knees don’t seem to work quite as well as they used to. Not that I’m in any rush to get older but man…

I’m in denial, I turn 29 for the second time this year.

NOPE.

84 Amory Blaine  Apr 15, 2015 11:21:33pm

re: #77 avnishgempundit

Welcome. :)

85 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:24:34pm

re: #77 avnishgempundit

the flexibility of commenting here is very good
we can state or share out thoughts through images/videos

I visit many sites but the commenting and reading experience here is far better than others

And I know I’ve said it before, but a big thank you to Charles for being one of, if not the, best site moderator and operator on the entire internet.

86 Single-handed sailor  Apr 15, 2015 11:26:17pm

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

And I know I’ve said it before, but a big thank you to Charles for being one of, if not the, best site moderator and operator on the entire internet.

87 Ace-o-aces  Apr 15, 2015 11:38:12pm

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Uh-oh, looks someone found UpChuck’s missing scoop. //

Not to worry, He’s working on another “lead”.

88 Justanotherhuman  Apr 15, 2015 11:55:23pm

re: #77 avnishgempundit

the flexibility of commenting here is very good
we can state or share out thoughts through images/videos

I visit many sites but the commenting and reading experience here is far better than others

You got that right. : )

Welcome aboard The Lizard Train—Engineer Charles provides a smooth ride.

89 teleskiguy  Apr 16, 2015 12:12:54am

So, I chased down some powder. I’m in SLC, going to do some skiing up in Little Cottonwood Canyon tomorrow and Friday.

I should be trying to fall asleep right now, but I’m just too excited. Been laying here for almost two hours and I can’t sleep, the anticipation is freaking intense, man!

90 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 12:22:06am

I hope this isn’t what I suspect it was.

FIRE CONSUMES SIKH TEMPLE IN WEST HOUSTON

abc13.com

I can hear some of those people around there saying that don’t look like no damned temple. Those people are Arabs up to no good.

google.com

It appears a Sikh flag is displayed close to the bldg.

91 Amory Blaine  Apr 16, 2015 12:24:27am

Soul singer Percy Sledge dies aged 74

…

92 Mentis Fugit  Apr 16, 2015 12:28:38am

re: #14 Kragar

One is dead on the outside, the other is dead on the inside.

93 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 12:43:41am

re: #91 Amory Blaine

Soul singer Percy Sledge dies aged 74

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He was a hospital orderly when he got his big break, after working in the fields in AL. That song was so good it was ubiquitous when it was released, but you never seemed to get enough of it.

He had 12 kids, was married to his second wife since 1980 and liked to live an ordinary life, not celebrity hell, from an interview I heard. We were the same age until he died from liver cancer, which I wonder was caused by being around agricultural chemicals as a young man.

94 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 12:50:09am

Blech.

95 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 12:58:35am

re: #92 Mentis Fugit

One is dead on the outside, the other is dead on the inside.

It’s this cruel, unthinking woman who’s just too full of herself.

rebeccafrancis.com

96 Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2015 1:05:04am

So, in the darker corners of the intertubes, the wingnuts are freaking out about Jade Helm 15, a military exercise, and this nicely ties it all together:

With news of numerous Wal-Mart supercenters now being ‘temporarily closed’ (6+ months each which brings us to October 2015 or later) in at least 4 different states now tied to the Jade Helm 15 ‘exercises’ due to what we’re being told are ‘plumbing problems’, will these massive stores soon be used as ‘food distribution centers’ and to house the headquarters of invading troops from China, here to disarm Americans one by one as promised by Michelle Obama to the Chinese prior to Obama leaving the White House? Astute story commenters were quick to point out that any plumbing problem can be fixed in much less time than 6 months, even in such large supercenters, and to have several of these 6-month closings all at once in states tied to Jade Helm 15 and martial law exercises (Florida, Texas, California and Oklahoma) reeks of something much deeper than ‘plumbing issues’. The fact that China has DEMANDED Americans be disarmed and the scheduled ‘reopening dates’ (if they EVER reopen at all!) of these stores will be after Jade Helm 15 is completed are raising many questions about what is really going on among those who are paying attention to events in Barack Obama’s ‘new America’ as seen in more detail below. One reader tells us that one of these Wal-Mart stores had just recently been remodeled and didn’t have any plumbing problems while the note below is from a source who recently called her local Wal-Mart and discovered they may NEVER reopen!

CHINESE COMMIES!! WAL-MART!! EMPEROR OBAMA!11!

*headdesk*

donotlink.com

97 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 1:17:05am

Sarah Palin is another empty, stupid person who supports the unnecessary killing of animals in the wild by supporting and speaking for this outfit, although they advocate for the use of guns and trying to change laws as well. And they like to call themselves “conservationists”. {spit}

Sarah Palin @SarahPalinUSA * Apr 11
Now that was a great time with hunters and conservationists of the Safari Club International Lake Superior… fb.me

scifirstforhunters.org

98 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 1:26:40am

UPDATE 1-China to ban water-polluting paper mills, oil refineries

in.reuters.com

BEIJING, April 16 (Reuters) - China will ban water-polluting paper mills, oil refineries, pesticide producers and other industrial plants by the end of 2016, as it moves to tackle severe pollution of the country’s water supply.

“The long-awaited plan comes as the central government steps up its “war on pollution” after years of industrial development that have left one-third of China’s major river basins and 60 percent of its underground water contaminated.

“Growing public discontent over the environmental degradation has led to increasing scrutiny of industrial polluters. China’s largest energy company China National Petroleum Corporation last month agreed to pay 100 million yuan ($16 million) in compensation after it was accused of leaking benzene into the water system in Lanzhou in northwest China.

“But experts say much more needs to be done to protect China’s scarce water resources.” More

99 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 1:54:17am

This ought to be interesting. I wonder if dissidents will be allowed in?

Editor’s note: Russia’s President Putin is set to hold his annual TV call-in show where the Russian people ask him questions, this event is expected to begin around 5am ET (noon Moscow time) and could last for several hours. We’ll be covering it live. - David
end of note

100 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 2:07:02am

Major Libertarian Thinker On Human ‘Failures’: ‘It Is Best They Should Die’

thinkprogress.org

A major proponent of, “I’ve got mine, now fuck off” which is the real basis of libertarianism, IMHO.

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2015 2:12:42am

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

Major Libertarian Thinker On Human ‘Failures’: ‘It Is Best They Should Die’

thinkprogress.org

A major proponent of, “I’ve got mine, now fuck off” which is the real basis of libertarianism, IMHO.

And the sole standard of measuring human success is your value on the competitive marketplace, right?

102 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 2:36:30am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, that’s always been my take on libertarians. All you have to do is ask them. Everything else socially or politically tied in to economics is just “chaff” to them and they don’t give a damn unless it’s an issue which relates directly to them as individuals. And of course, they never need a safety net or any other legislation which protects us because they’re so awesome! Or so they pretend, just like Ayn Rand and others of her ilk.

103 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 2:39:54am

2,486,000 messages sent to televised Putin call-in program, host says
end of alert

None of which were answered, however.

104 Amory Blaine  Apr 16, 2015 3:17:03am

Gravestone of Hillary Clinton’s dad toppled in Pennsylvania

The gravestone of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s father has been found toppled over at a Pennsylvania cemetery.

Police say vandals may be responsible for upending the gravestone of Hugh Rodham in the Washburn Street Cemetery in Scranton.

105 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 3:25:07am

Putin is not a deep thinker and/or this is just political maneuvering. No wonder he’s admired by the American RW and his oligarchal supporters.

Putin says burden of debt in Western economies is harming global economic prospects
end of alert

This is from Jan 2014

Twenty-five percent of Russian men die before the age of 55

upi.com

106 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2015 3:26:31am

re: #74 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Could certainly be read the wrong way.

Congrats on your raise, btw.

Thanks. The request went through much easier than I expected, but my foreign affairs officer (FAO) is a top notch negotiator. She’s the kind of person you want to take to the car dealership when you buy a car.

Now I wonder if I should have asked for more. ;-)

107 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2015 3:28:09am

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

If it’s anything like the last one he broke, I expect another nothing-burger.

108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2015 3:35:21am

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

will these massive stores soon be used as ‘food distribution centers’ and to house the headquarters of invading troops from China, here to disarm Americans one by one as promised by Michelle Obama to the Chinese prior to Obama leaving the White House?

The Chinese don’t need to invade. They’re already buying up real estate, so they can just move in peaceably when it suits them.

Also, an invasion would tank the markets, so it would be an economic disaster for everyone.

Finally, the Chinese PLA’s readiness does not compare to the US military’s. In China, it’s possible to buy an officer’s rank, which entitles you to the uniform, the pay and the pension. You’re not expected to actually know any military stuff.

These people are divorced from reality, but we knew that already

109 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 3:38:08am

re: #104 Amory Blaine

Gravestone of Hillary Clinton’s dad toppled in Pennsylvania

Vandals surely, but why?

110 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 3:42:00am

re: #107 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If it’s anything like the last one he broke, I expect another nothing-burger.

Well, he was discussing Menendez raising $400K for his legal defense from donors.

So what? It’s not an unusual move for anyone.

111 freetoken  Apr 16, 2015 3:45:58am

Meanwhile, Today In Theocracy, 16 Apr 2015 edition:

Private internal poll showing Gutierrez slightly ahead of Vladovic

LA Unified board President Richard Vladovic appears to be in the political fight of his life.

A recent internal poll of District 7 voters by the California Charter Schools Association and Great Public Schools: Los Angeles, which the groups shared with LA School Report, showed his challenger, Lydia Gutierrez, leading by 37 percent to 34 percent, with 29 percent undecided, in a statistical tie. The margin of error was 4.9 percent.

[…]

Yet Vladovic now finds himself in a tight race that proves party affiliation has little bearing on a school board election: Gutierrez, a Republican, is seeking her first victory in her fifth run for public office since 2008 — and she’s running strong in a district where registered Democrats outnumber Republicans by 4-to-1. In the primary, she finished only 5 percentage points behind Vladovic, who is a Democrat.

Gutierrez declined to answer a series of questions from LA School Report, seeking her reaction to the poll and comment on various positions that reflect her social positions, including her support for teaching creationism as an alternative theory to evolution.

[…]

If LA falls, so does the nation.

112 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 3:46:38am

More RW bullshit from Putin, the oligarchs’ best friend.

Putin on US debt: ‘Look at the US national debt. It’s now bigger than it’s GDP. No one knows what happens next’ adds ‘Or look at the Eurozone. It’s tearing on the seams. What will their leaders do to keep the ones in debt going?’
end of alert

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 3:47:09am

Surprisingly, this is not uncommon in eastern Kentucky. I’ve witnessed it in my own county:

114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2015 3:47:47am

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

Surprisingly, this is not uncommon in eastern Kentucky. I’ve witnessed it in my own county:

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Ride-by shootings?

115 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 3:48:24am

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

Surprisingly, this is not uncommon in eastern Kentucky. I’ve witnessed it in my own county:

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Around here, it’s usually riding lawnmowers. : )

116 freetoken  Apr 16, 2015 3:49:27am

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Log Cabin Republicans disinvited from Western Conservative Summit

As the GOP turns more theocratic, I wonder how long it will be before the Log Cabin folk come to their senses?

Note that the Western Conservative Summit looks to attract big names in GOP Presidential Primary:

2016 Presidential Contenders Lining Up to Address WCS15

117 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2015 3:53:26am

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

Surprisingly, this is not uncommon in eastern Kentucky. I’ve witnessed it in my own county:

Did he stop by Taco Bell, too?

118 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2015 3:54:15am

re: #116 freetoken

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Log Cabin Republicans disinvited from Western Conservative Summit

It is analogous to their problems with Latinos: a lot of gays are high earners who would be open to the GOP’s low-tax, low-regulation message.

But they also know that they would be voting for a party that sees them as an abomination unto the Lord.

119 freetoken  Apr 16, 2015 3:58:50am

And down on the farm, in Iowa where the first caucus votes will be cast, one of the players in the state Republican circles preaches at us:

Progressivism In These United States

[…]

Therefore, both then and today, if a silly man-created ordinance does not comport with natural law realities, it is always bad law that is harmful to the public good. (Think budgets that defy the natural law of mathematics or building codes that ignore the inflexible natural law of gravity. Think property, inheritance, divorce and custody laws that refuse to comport with the natural law realities of male and female sex as it relates to pregnancy, birth-rates, property rights, inheritances, child-custody and divorce.)

[…]

In opposition to Americanism, Progressivism is the belief that every single evolved (not created) human is of no particular significance outside of the Shangri-la of a glorious collective and that only by joining the collective and making a contribution to it can he or she achieve true worth. Progressive individuals are to the government as the honey bee is to the swarm. Therefore, the government gives permission for the individual to exist. (It isn’t hard to imagine from whence abortion, euthanasia, and fascist acts of genocide stem.) Like a pot of water left unattended on a hot stove, the water will eventually boil over. Progressivism, if permitted to fester in a nation’s history long enough to reach its logical end, will also “boil over” into a fresh, new Auschwitz. Progressivism is the modern moniker of all the isms (except American…ism). It embraces Social-ism, Marx-ism, Commun-ism. Progressivism is the sum total of them all, reemerging and conquering America from within the souls of its own deceived, and at times, utterly foolish citizenry.

[…] Was Ronald Reagan the final spark of Americanism ever to be enjoyed by a free people? That, my friends, is entirely up to you. Every President since Reagan has been a progressive, in some varying degree, regardless of their party affiliation, similar to the period between 1890 and 1920, […]

When the GOP becomes the front office of the JBS, one really has to wonder what is happening.

120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2015 4:05:06am

re: #119 freetoken

And down on the farm, in Iowa where the first caucus votes will be cast, one of the players in the state Republican circles preaches at us:

Progressivism In These United States

Therefore, both then and today, if a silly man-created ordinance does not comport with natural law realities, it is always bad law that is harmful to the public good. (Think budgets that defy the natural law of mathematics or building codes that ignore the inflexible natural law of gravity. Think property, inheritance, divorce and custody laws that refuse to comport with the natural law realities of male and female sex…

.
And of course, the GOP are the final arbiters and interpreters of “natural law”

121 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 4:28:33am

Nothing has amused me since Rubio entering the race as much as watching wingnuts try to argue that his candidacy is about anything but his race and that “libruls” are the real racists for pointing out that all he has to run on is his race.

122 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 4:32:43am

Yesterday was full of wingnut Derp (because it is a day ending in y!)

This morning I opened Twitter and found this dudebro Godwin derp in my timeline, someone who thinks I will retweet this shit==>

Blocked & muted this idiot instead.

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 4:43:32am
124 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 4:56:20am

Morning Lizards.

125 FemNaziBitch  Apr 16, 2015 5:09:10am

how is it now?

126 FemNaziBitch  Apr 16, 2015 5:12:30am
The first Armenian senior advisor to the president of Turkey has left his position after telling a newspaper “If accepting that what happened in Bosnia and Africa were genocides, it is impossible not to call what happened to Armenians in 1915 genocide too;” government officials said he retired because of his age.

Why does the Pope hate Turkey?????

oy?

127 FemNaziBitch  Apr 16, 2015 5:14:42am
The U.N. special tribunal investigating the death of Lebanese President Rafik Hariri has begun trying individuals from the Al-Jadeed television network, accusing them of contempt of court for reporting the names of confidential witnesses.
128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 5:16:56am

In Ohio:

sigh…

129 Patricia Kayden  Apr 16, 2015 5:18:02am

re: #104 Amory Blaine

Gravestone of Hillary Clinton’s dad toppled in Pennsylvania

It’s going to be a long and ugly presidential campaign.

130 FemNaziBitch  Apr 16, 2015 5:18:36am
“Fighting terrorism will never be by burning books,” Education Minister Moheb el-Rafie said in a statement to journalists.

But the incident highlights the challenges Egypt faces in fighting the rising tide of Islamic extremism amid a government-sanctioned crackdown on Islamist groups, and a media and public frenzy against the Brotherhood after the military ouster of Islamist President Mohammed Morsi in 2013.

Kishk said she had no fear of the investigation.

The backlash “is a conspiracy from the Brotherhood to scare us so we can leave their schools as they are, corrupting the brains of the children,” Kishk told The Associated Press. “My pedagogical and religious conscious will not accept that.”

131 FemNaziBitch  Apr 16, 2015 5:20:02am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Ohio:

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sigh…

School officials should have mandated the students wear plain shirts for the picture. Otherwise, all is fair.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 5:20:59am
133 FemNaziBitch  Apr 16, 2015 5:23:14am

Allergies have taken my voice.

Will toppling a gravestone help get it back?

134 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 5:27:28am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Ohio:

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sigh…

At least it was spelled correctly.

135 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 5:42:38am

I can no longer afford to get sick in NC. The Republican legislature is allowing counties to now tack on a “mileage charge” to ambulance bills. In my case, when my neighbor called EMS for me when I got sick last Nov, EMS tacked on a mileage charge of $128.12 for a 12 mi ride to the hospital. Medicare won’t pay that, so I’m stuck and cannot pay it, along with various other medical bills that are piling up.

I’ve even put off being seen for stuff I need done, simply because I can’t pay the exorbitant charges they would bring. It’s very frustrating, since I’ve always paid my bills, and I can’t expect my grandson to fill in the gaps. If I could get a job, I would, but I’ve tried the places I could work around here and can’t get hired. These bills are mounting up, past due, and I feel guilty because I’ve always paid my bills in the past. Furthermore, I have too much income (!) to qualify for Medicaid in the State of NC.

Grrrrrr! This just adds to my stress level and stress is not something I need.

136 FemNaziBitch  Apr 16, 2015 5:44:24am

bbl

137 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 5:46:13am

Angie’s List CEO steps down due to Indiana ‘religious freedom’ law, speculates on gubernatorial run against Indiana Gov. Mike Pence - @HuffPostPol
read more on huffingtonpost.com

138 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 5:46:59am

re: #133 FemNaziBitch

Allergies have taken my voice.

Will toppling a gravestone help get it back?

My allergies are kicking my ass today as well, but I’m a few hours south of you.

139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2015 5:48:28am

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

My sister and brother-in-law, fine upstanding middle-class retiree homeowners, went bankrupt over medical bills last year. She had a bout with cancer and he was in a minor car accident.

Why do things like that have to happen in a civilized country?

140 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 5:49:05am

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

I can no longer afford to get sick in NC. The Republican legislature is allowing counties to now tack on a “mileage charge” to ambulance bills. In my case, when my neighbor called EMS for me when I got sick last Nov, EMS tacked on a mileage charge of $128.12 for a 12 mi ride to the hospital. Medicare won’t pay that, so I’m stuck and cannot pay it, along with various other medical bills that are piling up.

I’ve even put off being seen for stuff I need done, simply because I can’t pay the exorbitant charges they would bring. It’s very frustrating, since I’ve always paid my bills, and I can’t expect my grandson to fill in the gaps. If I could get a job, I would, but I’ve tried the places I could work around here and can’t get hired. These bills are mounting up, past due, and I feel guilty because I’ve always paid my bills in the past. Furthermore, I have too much income (!) to qualify for Medicaid in the State of NC.

Grrrrrr! This just adds to my stress level and stress is not something I need.

I just had a hospital bill collector call me the other day and threaten me with “This will show up on your credit report.” I said, “My credit report is already shit. If I had the money, I’d pay you.” :/

141 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 5:49:56am

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

My sister and brother-in-law, fine upstanding middle-class retiree homeowners, went bankrupt over medical bills last year. She had a bout with cancer and he was in a minor car accident.

Why do things like that have to happen in a civilized country?

Assumes facts not in evidence, sadly.

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 5:52:39am

re: #133 FemNaziBitch

re: #138 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

143 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 6:02:26am

re: #140 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That’s exactly what’s going to happen with me.

The Medicaid cut-off for the elderly in NC is $981. I get less than $150 more than that, and it goes for living expenses, which I try to keep pared down as much as possible. My dr charges $240 for a visit (affiliated w/a major hospital/health care group and Medicare pays about half that.

I just don’t care anymore since they can’t get blood out of a turnip.

144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2015 6:03:22am

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

I just don’t care anymore since they can’t get blood out of a turnip.

Just bring a chicken with you…

145 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 6:06:01am

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I would have to steal the neighbor’s chicken.

WTF, his chickens travel in packs and trespass on this property all the time. : )

146 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 6:07:23am

re: #119 freetoken

In opposition to Americanism

No, nope. No.

147 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 6:08:46am

re: #119 freetoken

Wow, that is a world of stupid.

148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2015 6:11:42am

re: #147 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Wow, that is a world of stupid.

It plays well to people who have a strong sense of what “natural law” entails, namely god, guns, homophobia, xenophobia and misogyny.

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 6:21:54am
150 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 6:23:35am

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

My sister and brother-in-law, fine upstanding middle-class retiree homeowners, went bankrupt over medical bills last year. She had a bout with cancer and he was in a minor car accident.

Why do things like that have to happen in a civilized country?

Did they have insurance, or was it a case of copays, out of pocket expenses being overwhelming?

151 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 6:27:53am

Wonder just how wide spread this is.

Liquid nicotine use in school sparks Cheney investigation

Teenagers were reportedly taking the nicotine solution, intended for e-cigarettes, mixing it with soda or juice and then drinking it to get high.

152 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 6:28:19am

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

Really sorry to hear this.

153 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 6:33:13am

re: #150 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Co-pays and out of pocket expenses can be devastating if you’re strapped for cash.

And when a person is sick, not working, and can’t be classified as “disabled”, it can mean even worse.

154 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2015 6:37:11am

re: #150 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Did they have insurance, or was it a case of copays, out of pocket expenses being overwhelming?

Yes, they were “insured” but out-of-pocket expenses ate up their budget.

155 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 6:40:31am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, they were “insured” but out-of-pocket expenses ate up their budget.

This. Even with insurance, medical expenses are a beast.

156 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 6:41:15am
157 Eventual Carrion  Apr 16, 2015 6:47:59am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It plays well to people who have a strong sense of what “natural law” entails, namely god, guns, homophobia, xenophobia and misogyny.

Which if you look at the true natural world (humans as the exception), those things don’t mean shit. I have never seen a duck, goose, wolf, bear, dog, or any other denizen of the natural world give 2 fucks about any of those things listed except humans. Maybe humans have drifted too far from the “natural worlds” laws.

158 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 6:55:47am
159 Lidane  Apr 16, 2015 6:57:54am

re: #156 darthstar

Every Republican babbling about “moving America forward to the future” is full of shit. Conservatism by its very nature is all about the status quo and about nostalgia for the past.

160 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 7:00:44am

re: #159 Lidane

Every Republican babbling about “moving America forward to the future” is full of shit. Conservatism by its very nature is all about the status quo and about nostalgia for the past.

LOL like that guy on Twitter who wants to move back 200 years when everything was “Utopia”

161 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 7:01:12am

re: #159 Lidane

Every Republican babbling about “moving America forward to the future” is full of shit. Conservatism by its very nature is all about the status quo and about nostalgia for the past.

True. Even during Reagan’s years there was a push toward 1950s Ameicana.

162 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 7:01:39am

Even with ACA, health care costs are rising, and patients are being required to assume more cost-sharing with providers. Also, some plans are bought which have high deductibles and even though dr visits, etc, all count toward it, those co-pays can kill you if your budget doesn’t allow for them, assuming you can even afford the premiums. Read some of the comments here, also, such as this one, which is the same situation in NC:

“Check out the requirements for Medicaid in the state of Virginia. I have an unemployed daughter who is not eligible for Medicaid because she has no children (!) and where is she supposed to get money for insurance premiums? I was willing to pay medical insurance premiums for her (with my Social Security payments), but the only plans we could “afford” at all were not accepted by her doctors. Her GP actually gives her a discount because she is “self-paying,” but she got a bill for $995 for some blood tests. It all sucks. (I don’t think the problem is Obamacare. It’s the state legislatures who just refuse to accept federal money… people be damned!)”

healthcare.gov

Something needs to be done and I’m one of those calling for universal health care and expansion of Medicaid as well since so many in govt, esp state govts, realizes that since wages aren’t going up, people just are avoiding either purchasing health care ins (even through ACA) or are avoiding care, since there is no alternative for them.

163 Lidane  Apr 16, 2015 7:04:10am

re: #160 Lord Of The Pies

LOL like that guy on Twitter who wants to move back 200 years when everything was “Utopia”

Ah yes. The wannabe libertarian with the Rand Paul logo avatar.

They’re amusing.

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:06:41am
165 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 7:07:02am

re: #163 Lidane

Ah yes. The wannabe libertarian with the Rand Paul logo avatar.

They’re amusing.

Give them a hand saw and a hatchet and take them into the woods and say, “Okay, build yourself a shelter.”

166 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2015 7:07:30am

re: #162 Justanotherhuman

Sooner or later, the dumber members of the Boomer generation are going to wake up and realize they would be the biggest beneficiaries of universal health care. Either that, or they’ll be a big upswing in the number of older Americans becoming penniless and/or leaving their heirs with a ton of medical bills to settle.

It’s a demographic time bomb that Congress typically is incapable of planning for. Why should they? Congress-critters have a pretty cushy medical plan.

167 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:09:07am
168 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 7:09:26am

re: #158 darthstar

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Bill’O doesn’t have an answer, and I don’t imagine you’ll find many of the excuse-makers who do. They want every incident to be treated as an isolated occurrence. But if they actually draw a line in the sand about how many such incidents can happen before they admit there’s a problem, then they face the possibility that they’ll have to join the “anti-police” crowd in demanding answers and changes.

169 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2015 7:11:44am

I can’t stay right now, but I found this while looking for something totally unrelated and just had to share its awesomeness. It’s from shortly after the 2012 elections, but still applies 100% today.

Please read the entire piece—it’s totally worth it. He covers everything with witheringly accurate eloquence.

Letter to a future Republican strategist regarding white people

To whom it may concern regarding the United States federal elections of 2014, 2016 and beyond:

Allow me to introduce myself to you, the existing (or aspiring!) strategist for the Republican Party. My name is Eric Arnold Garland and I am a White Man. Boy, am I ever – you need sunglasses just to look at my photo!

If I read the news correctly, I fit a profile that is of extreme importance to the GOP, as I embody the archetype that fits your narrative of Real Americans. Just how much should my profile interest you? Are you sitting down? […]

HOLY WHITE PEOPLE, BATMAN!!! Wow, you’re thinking - this is not some Mexirican in the Sun Belt we need to attract via harsh anti-Castro policies or appeals to “valores de familia” - this is the BREAD AND BUTTER OF THE GRAND OLD PARTY, a Mayflower-descended small business owner, burdened by taxation, looking out for his beautiful White family in the suburbs of a city (St Louis) surrounded by racial tension and urban blight!

How can I put this gently? My wife and I are not sensitive to your messaging, nor did we vote for the candidates you proposed for us this past Tuesday. […]

More: ericgarland.co

170 Lidane  Apr 16, 2015 7:13:22am

re: #168 Targetpractice

Bill’O doesn’t have an answer, and I don’t imagine you’ll find many of the excuse-makers who do. They want every incident to be treated as an isolated occurrence.

I love BillO’s attempt to shift the debate by saying that “only” 135 black men died at the hands of police which is amazing because over 1 million cops.

A black man dies at the hands of the cops almost every other day and it’s amazing there aren’t more of them dying? REALLY? That’s the best BillO can do? No wonder Tavis Smalley wasn’t buying.

171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:16:44am

re: #169 CuriousLurker

hahahaaa! On the topic of Climate:

The shouted views of decrepit mental fossil Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma that this is a fraud perpetrated on the American people by evil, conspiring climate scientists is belied by such events and is looking irresponsible to even the most skeptical.

172 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2015 7:18:22am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahaaa! On the topic of Climate:

Sorta reminds me of the Stonekettle Station guy. Awesome rant.

173 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 7:19:33am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am so stealing “mental fossil”. : )

174 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 7:21:35am

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The NYT story was tongue in cheek humor.

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175 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 16, 2015 7:21:51am

Tennessee House votes Bible as official state book

And my adopted home is now trying to make the Bible the official state book. This in spite of the fact that the Attorney General has already said that violates both the state and federal constitutions.

It passed the House vote, and I suspect that it will easily pass the Senate as well.

One representative tried an amendment to make Andrew Jackson’s Bible the official book, but that was defeated.

The entire article is worth reading.

The Holy Bible is the official book of Tennessee in the view of the Tennessee House of Representatives.

Despite questions of constitutionality, lawmakers beat back an attempt to make Andrew Jackson’s Bible the official book and voted 55-38 in favor of Rep. Jerry Sexton’s original bill.

“History’s going to tell us where we stand on this. I’m grateful to have the opportunity to have the side that I’m on,” said Sexton, R-Bean Station, after the vote.

“It may be kind to me in the future and it may not be kind, and that’s OK. I made a decision for today and I feel good about it.”

Although a GOP-led effort, House Speaker Beth Harwell, R-Nashville, was one of 20 Republicans to vote against the measure. House Minority Leader Craig Fitzhugh, D-Ripley, and four Republicans abstained. Only six Democrats voted in favor of the bill.

tennessean.com

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:22:17am

re: #172 CuriousLurker

Sorta reminds me of the Stonekettle Station guy. Awesome rant.

Yep. Mr. Garland is a winner with that rant!

177 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:22:26am

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah this is embarrassing. WSJ must be desperate if they’re trying to find a political subtext in her food choice. Sometimes you just want a really good Chipolte burrito and Taco Bell doesn’t cut it.

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:23:50am

re: #174 Bubblehead II

The NYT story was tongue in cheek humor.

⸨ I M A G E ⸩

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So was my response to Joe.
:D

179 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:24:03am

I’m sure if Hillary ever goes to a baseball game. People are going to attack for putting or not putting ketchup on her dog. For what it’s worth, I’m in Camp Ketchup. I see nothing wrong with putting ketchup on a hot dog.Though I like traditional mustard and onion too.

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:25:41am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

I’m sure if Hillary ever goes to a baseball game. People are going to attack for putting or not putting ketchup on her dog. For what it’s worth, I’m in Camp Ketchup. I see nothing wrong with putting ketchup on a hot dog.Though I like traditional mustard and onion too.

Flashback to the rightwing outrage over President Obama’s preference for spicy mustard on his burgers!

181 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:27:36am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Flashback to the rightwing outrage over President Obama’s preference for spicy mustard on his burgers!

Spicy mustard > yellow mustard.

182 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2015 7:27:56am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Ohio:

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sigh…

Batavia…probably suffering Cincinnatitis an offshoot illness caused by Limbaugho.

/

183 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 7:29:00am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

I’m sure if Hillary ever goes to a baseball game. People are going to attack for putting or not putting ketchup on her dog. For what it’s worth, I’m in Camp Ketchup. I see nothing wrong with putting ketchup on a hot dog.Though I like traditional mustard and onion too.

The only way to eat a hotdog is with chili, American cheese and chopped onions.

184 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:29:54am

re: #183 Bubblehead II

The only way to eat a hotdog is with chili, American cheese and chopped onions.

That does sound appetizing.

185 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 7:30:27am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Flashback to the rightwing outrage over President Obama’s preference for spicy mustard on his burgers!

Guess they better hope I never run for office, because I like jalapenos on my burgers.

186 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:31:23am

re: #185 Targetpractice

Guess they better hope I never run for office, because I like jalapenos on my burgers.

I’ve been known to put Sirracha on mine from time to time.

187 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:31:39am
188 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 7:32:15am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, MIDMORNING EDITION—>

189 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 7:32:20am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

That does sound appetizing.

It does, doesn’t it. Now I am going to have to go to the store so I can have one for lunch.

190 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 7:32:38am

Harry Reid - all out of fucks to give and pulling no punches.

191 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:33:35am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What a joke.

192 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:34:30am

re: #190 darthstar

Harry Reid - all out of fucks to give and pulling no punches.

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I’m going to miss Reid.

193 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 7:34:39am

re: #188 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, MIDMORNING EDITION—>

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It’s bad enough that it’s a politician pushing this shit. But a Polish politician? One who should have grown up hearing more than once about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising?

194 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 7:34:59am

re: #159 Lidane

Every Republican babbling about “moving America forward to the future” is full of shit. Conservatism by its very nature is all about the status quo and about nostalgia for the past.

Conservatism wasn’t always the take-no-prisoners fantasy-based mess that it is today. It was at one time about being fiscally prudent and very much about avoiding foreign wars. Looking back, I think that today’s conservatism began with the embarrassments of the Watergate hearings which sowed the seeds of today’s siege mentality. It was further shaped by the Reagan years which legitimatized replacing realism with feel good fantasy and engendered the nostalgia for a stand-on-your-own-two-feet America that never existed. Agrarian life required communal effort for barn raising, field clearing, harvesting and such mundane activities as corn shucking, to name a few. In short: America never never really was what it was.
Ignoring fact and reality while generating policy is addictive because the inevitable failures of policies thus generated can be blamed on equally fact free and unreal causes. Combine that with a supportive media and here we are.

195 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 7:35:25am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I’m going to miss Reid.

Now that he’s announced his retirement, he gets to be the Senate’s version of Barney Frank for the next 18 months.

196 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:35:56am

re: #188 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, MIDMORNING EDITION—>

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Did he not see what happened to the Polish army? They had guns too. This meme is not only stupid but it’s ridiculously offensive as well.

197 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 7:36:29am
198 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2015 7:36:32am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Angie’s List CEO steps down due to Indiana ‘religious freedom’ law, speculates on gubernatorial run against Indiana Gov. Mike Pence - @HuffPostPol
read more on huffingtonpost.com

The whole Angie’s List stuff is a total deceptive mess. As a company they are in trouble and struggling.

In my opinion they can’t afford to expand and hire like they thought. They got Indiana to give them some bucks for the expansion, yet they haven’t been able to show any kind of profit for their share holders.

I think they used the religious freedom mess as an excuse to give up on the expansion and blame it on the politics of the state. It makes them look good, but they do not look too good to the business investors.

I follow Angie List stuff because they originally started here in Columbus. They also are involved in Indianapolis Motor Speedway as a sponsor for the “Indy GP” IMS road race that kicks off the month of May and their is speculation that sponsorship amounts to nothing but more politics.

I’d be very wary of calling Angie’s List anything positive.

199 Lidane  Apr 16, 2015 7:37:05am

re: #188 Lord Of The Pies

Except for that whole part where the Nazis had a lot more guns. And tanks. And planes. And the manpower and resources.

What a fucking moron.

200 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2015 7:37:11am

LOL!

201 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:37:28am

re: #194 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Conservatism wasn’t always the take-no-prisoners fantasy-based mess that it is today. It was at one time about being fiscally prudent and very much about avoiding foreign wars. Looking back, I think that today’s conservatism began with the embarrassments of the Watergate hearings which sowed the seeds of today’s siege mentality. It was further shaped by the Reagan years which legitimatized replacing realism with feel good fantasy and engendered the nostalgia for a stand-on-your-own-two-feet America that never existed. Agrarian life required communal effort for barn raising, field clearing, harvesting and such mundane activities as corn shucking, to name a few. In short: America never never really was what it was.
Ignoring fact and reality while generating policy is addictive because the inevitable failures of policies thus generated can be blamed on equally fact free and unreal causes. Combine that with a supportive media and here we are.

I agree with your assessment. Conservatism to me has always been a flawed ideology but I think you saw the seeds of how downhill it would go in the Watergate hearings. The Reagan years was icing on that cake.

202 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 7:37:41am

We’re talking about Nazis? It’s not even Saturday morning.

203 leftynyc  Apr 16, 2015 7:38:11am

re: #38 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Playoff hockey is totally worth it. Totally.

The Cup Finals are just …yeah. One game is all I ever got to, and we lost that one, but we won the Cup. Oh man.

Both my main teams are out this year, but so’s LA so whatever. My sister would love to see CHI win though.

You could root for my beloved Rangers. First game against Penguins is tonight at 7PM.

204 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:38:51am

re: #202 darthstar

We’re talking about Nazis? It’s not even Saturday morning.

Polski nakrętka motylkowa

205 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 7:39:10am

re: #200 Charles Johnson

LOL!

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206 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:39:46am

re: #200 Charles Johnson

LOL!

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He would have been left Time’s 1000 too. Babycakes isn’t as significant or as influential as he wants to believe he is.

207 Lancelot Link  Apr 16, 2015 7:39:49am

re: #202 darthstar

We’re talking about Nazis? It’s not even Saturday morning.

Mike Godwin was cited up near the top. What do you expect?

208 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 7:39:57am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Polski nakrętka motylkowa

Wingnuts? Oh.

209 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:41:12am

re: #208 darthstar

Wingnuts? Oh.

Yeah see Babushka’s 188.

210 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 7:41:39am

re: #185 Targetpractice

And I eat turkeyburgers. ; )

211 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 7:42:28am

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY #2, MIDMORNING EDITION

212 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:42:58am

Speaking of stupid memes. I saw a stupid one with Ted Cruz and Hitler the other day. And as despicable as Ted Cruz is, I refuse to compare him to Hitler. It gets it wrong anyhow since Hitler didn’t emigrate from Austria to Germany when he was three and Hitler and Cruz being dark haired means jack shit.

213 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 7:43:46am
214 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 7:44:01am

re: #175 RealityBasedSteve

Tennessee House votes Bible as official state book

And my adopted home is now trying to make the Bible the official state book. This in spite of the fact that the Attorney General has already said that violates both the state and federal constitutions.

It passed the House vote, and I suspect that it will easily pass the Senate as well.

One representative tried an amendment to make Andrew Jackson’s Bible the official book, but that was defeated.

The entire article is worth reading.

tennessean.com

They can have their state book, if only every Tennessee high school graduate is actually taught to read it.

215 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:44:16am

re: #211 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY #2, MIDMORNING EDITION

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Aren’t most families not even subject to this tax?

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:44:26am
217 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 7:44:37am

re: #194 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Conservatism wasn’t always the take-no-prisoners fantasy-based mess that it is today. It was at one time about being fiscally prudent and very much about avoiding foreign wars. Looking back, I think that today’s conservatism began with the embarrassments of the Watergate hearings which sowed the seeds of today’s siege mentality. It was further shaped by the Reagan years which legitimatized replacing realism with feel good fantasy and engendered the nostalgia for a stand-on-your-own-two-feet America that never existed. Agrarian life required communal effort for barn raising, field clearing, harvesting and such mundane activities as corn shucking, to name a few. In short: America never never really was what it was.
Ignoring fact and reality while generating policy is addictive because the inevitable failures of policies thus generated can be blamed on equally fact free and unreal causes. Combine that with a supportive media and here we are.

Oh, the seeds of the modern lunacy in the GOP go back further than Watergate. You could see the start of them in Goldwater’s campaign in ‘64, that “win at any cost” mentality beginning to take hold as the party leadership realized that the polarization of the Civil Rights Era allowed them to seized Southern states by playing on racial animosity. And it was that mentality that provoked Nixon into fucking over LBJ on the Paris Peace Talks by promising South Vietnam far better terms if they walked away from the table and waited until he won in November. Watergate was simply an extension of that mentality, the next logical step after you’ve covertly obliterated a sitting president’s foreign policy just to get elected.

218 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:44:53am

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Huey, Dewey, and Louie.

219 Lidane  Apr 16, 2015 7:44:59am

This bodes well:

220 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 7:45:02am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

Aren’t most families not even subject to this tax?

The estate tax aka “Death Tax” only applies to inheritance of over $5 million.

221 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:45:55am

re: #220 Lord Of The Pies

The estate tax aka “Death Tax” only applies to inheritance of over $5 million.

Exactly so it doesn’t apply to an overwhelming majority of Americans.

222 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:46:24am

Conservatives: The ass wipers and kissers of the extremely rich.

223 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 7:46:53am

re: #213 Lord Of The Pies

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Bill Maher said everything I could say on this matter a couple weeks ago:

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224 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 7:47:15am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So what if whoever paid her bill added a 20% tip to the Visa charge?

I doubt Hillary or anyone in her entourage even carries cash.

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:47:24am

re: #175 RealityBasedSteve

Tennessee House votes Bible as official state book

And my adopted home is now trying to make the Bible the official state book. This in spite of the fact that the Attorney General has already said that violates both the state and federal constitutions.

It passed the House vote, and I suspect that it will easily pass the Senate as well.

One representative tried an amendment to make Andrew Jackson’s Bible the official book, but that was defeated.

The entire article is worth reading.

tennessean.com

Meanwhile, in Oklahoma:

226 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:48:07am

re: #217 Targetpractice

Oh, the seeds of the modern lunacy in the GOP go back further than Watergate. You could see the start of them in Goldwater’s campaign in ‘64, that “win at any cost” mentality beginning to take hold as the party leadership realized that the polarization of the Civil Rights Era allowed them to seized Southern states by playing on racial animosity. And it was that mentality that provoked Nixon into fucking over LBJ on the Paris Peace Talks by promising South Vietnam far better terms if they walked away from the table and waited until he won in November. Watergate was simply an extension of that mentality, the next logical step after you’ve covertly obliterated a sitting president’s foreign policy just to get elected.

This is true as well though. Honestly speaking of Civil Rights, that’s why I’ve never been big on the effort to praise William F. Buckley. Sure Buckley was an intellectual who didn’t speak like Louie Gohmert and was an educated man but he still pushed the insidious lie that Civil Rights was a communist plot, he still defended Joseph McCarthy for years, and he still was a defender of Apartheid. And that legacy is NRO’s.

227 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 7:48:39am

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY #3, MIDMORNING EDITION

228 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 7:48:52am

re: #217 Targetpractice

Oh, the seeds of the modern lunacy in the GOP go back further than Watergate. You could see the start of them in Goldwater’s campaign in ‘64, that “win at any cost” mentality beginning to take hold as the party leadership realized that the polarization of the Civil Rights Era allowed them to seized Southern states by playing on racial animosity. And it was that mentality that provoked Nixon into fucking over LBJ on the Paris Peace Talks by promising South Vietnam far better terms if they walked away from the table and waited until he won in November. Watergate was simply an extension of that mentality, the next logical step after you’ve covertly obliterated a sitting president’s foreign policy just to get elected.

And Goldwater’s “extremism” meme caught on so well with them.

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 7:49:54am

Please proceed, Chuck:

230 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2015 7:50:26am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Conservatives: The ass wipers and kissers of the extremely rich.

Because the rich make the conservative politicians rich.

In other words, ass wiping and kissing pays very well.

231 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 7:51:27am

Oh my.

Los Angeles school district ditches iPad curriculum, seeks refund from Apple - @latimes
read more on latimes.com

232 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2015 7:51:45am

re: #230 ObserverArt

Because the rich make the conservative politicians rich.

In other words, ass wiping and kissing pays very well.

and is a form of protected free speech in that we have no way to find out how much ass they are kissing and for how much…

233 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:53:24am

re: #223 Targetpractice

Bill Maher said everything I could say on this matter a couple weeks ago:

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When the man’s right, he’s right.

234 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 7:54:03am

re: #230 ObserverArt

Because the rich make the conservative politicians rich.

In other words, ass wiping and kissing pays very well.

I meant the regular schmos on Twitter who repeat the memes though.

235 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2015 7:57:04am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

I meant the regular schmos on Twitter who repeat the memes though.

Oh them. They help make the conservative politicians rich too. As long as they buy the conservative political BS the checks flow and the rich carry on.

236 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 7:58:30am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

Please proceed, Chuck:

Who?

237 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 16, 2015 7:58:45am

re: #231 Justanotherhuman

Oh my.

Los Angeles school district ditches iPad curriculum, seeks refund from Apple - @latimes
read more on latimes.com

Teaching at a 1 to 1 school, where every student has their own device(iPad, or Laptop) has challenges. There are ways that the technology can be harnessed for enhanced learning experiences, but there are challenges of competency(student and teacher) with the technology, and competency with proper educational use. There are also the proper usage questions. How to keep students on task instead of playing games. Our school has been doing this for three years, and the jury is still out if it has “Worked”. But assessing its success means that training of students and teachers is proper, which I can’t say is true at this point in time.

238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 7:58:53am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is Olu Stevens?

239 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 8:00:40am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, the school practiced censorship when it came down to it.

240 b.d.  Apr 16, 2015 8:01:15am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

Please proceed, Chuck:

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So Chuck is going to keep filing complaints until he gets a white, male judge?

241 De Kolta Chair  Apr 16, 2015 8:02:17am

Missed the Merry Marvel Marching Society meeting last night, so here’s my fave silver age Marvel comic book:

242 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2015 8:02:29am

BBL.

243 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:02:58am

I do like the idea of students having tablets or laptops. I think I performed better in college in large part because I was able to bring a laptop with me to class to take notes but as Smith just got at, there are understandable concerns about whether the students will stay on task. In grade, middle, and high school. I did sometimes use an Alphasmart which was a portable word processing device but a laptop was far more conveinetn since with a laptop, it’s easier to separate files. And I like having electronic copies of my notes. I think my academic career would be much different had I been bore ten or even five years later.

244 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 8:06:55am

re: #227 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY #3, MIDMORNING EDITION

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Ben obviously subscribes to the Ebenezer Scrooge school of thought on the poor: “Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?”

245 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 8:08:29am

re: #244 Targetpractice

Ben obviously subscribes to the Ebenezer Scrooge school of thought on the poor: “Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?”

Who are the “liberals” he’s talking about who think “poverty is ennobling”? I can only think of Mother Teresa but she was a conservative.

246 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 8:09:05am
247 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 8:12:03am

re: #245 Lord Of The Pies

Who are the “liberals” he’s talking about who think “poverty is ennobling”? I can only think of Mother Teresa but she was a conservative.

Standard language for Francis of Assisi. He wrote poems to Lady Poverty. He was also fond of Sister Death, a deathmetal rocker before his time.

248 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 8:15:21am

re: #245 Lord Of The Pies

Who are the “liberals” he’s talking about who think “poverty is ennobling”? I can only think of Mother Teresa but she was a conservative.

I ran into the same “logic” the other day when talking with a wingnut about Kansas and the restrictions it was placing on welfare recipients, the idea that being poor is supposed to be humiliating because that’s supposed to serve as an “incentive” to climb out of poverty by any means necessary. If you’re poor, then you’ve fucked up and thus must be punished for it, even if the reason you’re poor is through no fault of your own.

249 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 8:17:27am

re: #227 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY #3, MIDMORNING EDITION

We need to reinstitute work houses for people like Ben who would otherwise waste theirs and everyone else’s time by tweeting inanities.

250 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 8:17:42am

re: #247 Decatur Deb

Standard language for Francis of Assisi. He wrote poems to Lady Poverty. He was also fond of Sister Death, a deathmetal rocker before his time.

Well his current day name sake, Pope Francis, is always talking about help the poor, not that they should STAY poor and learn to enjoy it.

251 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 8:18:54am

re: #248 Targetpractice

So…the demeaning welfare restrictions and shaming are actually good for the welfares?! That’s just awesome. /

252 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:19:56am

It’s their Calvinist view of humanity. You’re poor because you deserve it and don’t have God’s blessing so therefore the road to success must be humiliating as possible. It just shows what shitty people conservatives are. And frankly it’s conservatives who are enabling poverty by opposing decent wages and welfare & food stamps. These kind of policies make it hard for people to get better. But things like better wages, more adequate help, and not treating the poor like scum is good because the poor do have the incentive to work harder and this much I know from experience, I know I work my best if I know the incentive is high. The fact is though the poor people they rag on are a lot harder working than the wealthy people they venerate. You can’t tell me that a single mother working two jobs doesn’t work harder than Donald Trump.

253 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:20:42am

re: #250 Lord Of The Pies

Well his current day name sake, Pope Francis, is always talking about help the poor, not that they should STAY poor and learn to enjoy it.

Francis thankfully isn’t part of the Calvinist cult.

254 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 8:20:44am

re: #250 Lord Of The Pies

Well his current day name sake, Pope Francis, is always talking about help the poor, not that they should STAY poor and learn to enjoy it.

Don’t want to make them so rich they can’t get through the eye of a needle.

255 piratedan  Apr 16, 2015 8:21:46am

re: #194 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I agree that a LOT of this can be traced back to Watergate. Instead of being chastised by the transgressions of the Nixon Administration and their minions the GOP has instead felt like they were persecuted unfairly over it. They still seem to believe that Nixon got a raw deal and the America wasn’t to blame but that the media was, never mind the political leanings of Bob Woodward.

Since that time, what has happened, GOP has essentially co-opted the media by turning it into a financial entity rather than a news reporting/investigative entity. They’re hungry for ratings and clicks rather than accuracy in reporting and reporting the events and causes and performing analysis. My own feelings that the most evil bastards are the ones that spin the story before we even see it, the nameless and faceless news directors who decide what is “news” and how they frame how it will be presented to the folks at home. I have the feeling that the GOP totally owns those folks which is why they suffer so few repercussions from all of the whacked out shit that they do and the introduction of the magical balance fairy and how “both sides do it”.

256 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 8:25:48am

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not something one can say about Scalia. Still, nice of him ;)

257 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 8:27:06am

re: #138 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

My allergies are kicking my ass today as well, but I’m a few hours south of you.

Also receiving a hit. Fuck pollen!

258 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:27:41am

re: #256 Nyet

Not something one can say about Scalia. Still, nice of him ;)

From what I understand, the two have a cordial relationship off the bench. He’s spoken highly of her before too. As for Scalia himself, I’m no fan but I do have more grudging respect for him than I do say Thomas or even Alito. Still not someone that should be a model judge by any stretch though.

259 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 16, 2015 8:31:15am
260 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 8:32:50am

Wingnuts in a frothing rage over the CEO who gave all his employees 70K (including himself)

261 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:34:35am

re: #259 nearly-headless smith25

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Haha.I shouldn’t laugh though because seriously it’s 2015 and we have people on a major news network calling for the return of literacy tests. I’ve seen some of the ones from the Jim Crow era. Lemme tell you, it’s one thing to read about segregation and Jim Crow as a student, it’s another to see its ugly face in the flesh.

262 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:36:00am

re: #260 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts in a frothing rage over the CEO who gave all his employees 70K (including himself)

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Costco treats their employees well and is prospering. I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy does very well for himself since he’s shown that he cares about the welfare of his employees and wants his place to be an attractive place to work for. Wingnuts hate that since they think work should be like a 19th century coal mine.

263 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 8:37:04am

re: #260 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts in a frothing rage over the CEO who gave all his employees 70K (including himself)

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Commie Muslims doing yoga.

264 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 8:38:29am

GOHMERT!!!! calls people who do not want to repeal the estate tax for inheritance of over $5 million, “green-eyed monsters” (they’re just jealous that the super-rich “worked hard” by getting born into a rich family)

265 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 8:38:49am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

When the man’s right, he’s right.

Meanwhile:

Bill Maher lashes out at anti-vaxx accusations: “I’ve never argued that vaccines don’t work. I just don’t think you need them”

266 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 8:39:47am

EARTH TO LOUIE:

People who inherit millions did not work for that.

267 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:40:04am

re: #265 Nyet

Meanwhile:

Bill Maher lashes out at anti-vaxx accusations: “I’ve never argued that vaccines don’t work. I just don’t think you need them”

Yep and when he’s wrong, he’s wrong.

268 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:40:52am

re: #266 Lord Of The Pies

EARTH TO LOUIE:

People who inherit millions did not work for that.

I had to be in the hospital as the old man died, how dare you insult my hard work.//

269 Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2015 8:42:46am

Old Crazy Eyes, gone but not forgotten.

Michelle Bachmann: Obama’s poor relationship with Israel will bring the return of Jesus

jpost.com

270 Eventual Carrion  Apr 16, 2015 8:44:21am

re: #264 Lord Of The Pies

GOHMERT!!!! calls people who do not want to repeal the estate tax for inheritance of over $5 million, “green-eyed monsters” (they’re just jealous that the super-rich “worked hard” by getting born into a rich family)

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A few minutes of belly slapping by their parents WAS hard work, have you seen their parents?

271 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 8:45:57am

re: #269 Skip Intro

Old Crazy Eyes, gone but not forgotten.

Michelle Bachmann: Obama’s poor relationship with Israel will bring the return of Jesus

jpost.com

It was funny watching Freepers try to figure out if that is a Bad Thing.

272 makeitstop  Apr 16, 2015 8:45:57am

re: #269 Skip Intro

Old Crazy Eyes, gone but not forgotten.

Michelle Bachmann: Obama’s poor relationship with Israel will bring the return of Jesus

jpost.com

But isn’t that exactly what God-botherers like Bachmann want?

Then why the fuck is she complaining about it?

274 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 8:46:54am

re: #260 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts in a frothing rage over the CEO who gave all his employees 70K (including himself)

Concern troll is very concerned.

275 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 8:53:13am

en.wikipedia.org

Robert Scheer later became a featured columnist in the Los Angeles Times and is now the editor of Truthdig and a regular participant in the NPR program Left, Right and Center. Another Ramparts editor, James Ridgeway, is a senior correspondent in the Washington, D.C. bureau of Mother Jones and the author of many muckraking books.
James F. Colaianni went on to represent the radical Catholic perspective with the books Married Priests & Married Nuns and The Catholic Left. Two editors, David Horowitz and Peter Collier, later denounced liberalism and became libertarian critics of the left. For a brief time, the magazine’s Washington correspondent was Brit Hume, now of the Fox News Channel.

276 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:54:03am

re: #273 Nyet

If you call yourself a progressive but think that Rand Paul is more honest and progressive than Clinton, you’re not a progressive. You’re a degenerate hack.

Yep. Any progressive who thinks Rand Paul is better for progressive values is being in those words a degenerative hack. Good on Conason for pointing out that Rand Paul is far from principled.

277 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 8:54:22am

re: #264 Lord Of The Pies

GOHMERT!!!! calls people who do not want to repeal the estate tax for inheritance of over $5 million, “green-eyed monsters” (they’re just jealous that the super-rich “worked hard” by getting born into a rich family)

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Did I miss something about dead men owning property? I was pretty sure we divided that shit up upon death, if it wasn’t seized by creditors.

278 Great White Snark  Apr 16, 2015 8:54:25am

Did Brian Williams get a job on Hillary’s campaign?

Hillary Clinton Got Her Grandparents’ Immigration Story Wrong

Drudge? Nope. People Magazine.

279 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 8:55:24am

re: #278 Great White Snark

Did Brian Williams get a job on Hillary’s campaign?

Hillary Clinton Got Her Grandparents’ Immigration Story Wrong

Drudge? Nope. People Magazine.

Quick question: Who, besides those who either aren’t going to vote for her or are looking for reasons not to like her, gives a toss?

280 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 8:55:54am

re: #275 Nyet

en.wikipedia.org

Had a subscription when the Berrigans and Hesberg were hot. It was awfully pricey for a lefty rag, but well-produced.

281 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 8:57:26am

re: #273 Nyet

Great catch. Worth paging.

282 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 8:58:46am

re: #278 Great White Snark

Did Brian Williams get a job on Hillary’s campaign?

Hillary Clinton Got Her Grandparents’ Immigration Story Wrong

Drudge? Nope. People Magazine.

OFFS, it’s very easy to get these kind of details wrong if you haven’t done the research. Until I did my family tree, my Dad didn’t know that his grandfather was born in Germany and not in Pennsylvania.

283 Timothy Watson  Apr 16, 2015 8:59:25am

re: #278 Great White Snark

Did Brian Williams get a job on Hillary’s campaign?

Hillary Clinton Got Her Grandparents’ Immigration Story Wrong

Drudge? Nope. People Magazine.

In other news, every families’ verbal history is wrong. Film at 11:00.

284 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:00:08am

re: #279 Targetpractice

Quick question: Who, besides those who either aren’t going to vote for her or are looking for reasons not to like her, gives a toss?

Yeah, I mean, it’s not as if she flat out lied about her parents immigration details like someone from Florida we know. Rubio made his parents out to be exiles fleeing the Castro regime when in reality they fled while Bautista was still in charge. Hillary made honestly an innocent error.

285 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 9:00:19am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

OFFS, it’s very easy to get these kind of details wrong if you haven’t done the research. Until I did my family tree, my Dad didn’t know that his grandfather was born in Germany and not in Pennsylvania.

Wasn’t til I started asking questions in an effort to put together the beginnings of a family tree that my mother found out that the man she assumed was her father wasn’t.

286 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:00:44am

re: #283 Timothy Watson

In other news, every families’ verbal history is wrong. Film at 11:00.

Whatever you say, I still contend that because my great grandmother was a Joyce that James Joyce is my cousin and that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

287 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 9:02:01am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Whatever you say, I still contend that because my great grandmother was a Joyce that James Joyce is my cousin and that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

James McNeil Whistler was banging someone in my family line, but I can’t draw water.

288 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 9:02:11am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

OFFS, it’s very easy to get these kind of details wrong if you haven’t done the research. Until I did my family tree, my Dad didn’t know that his grandfather was born in Germany and not in Pennsylvania.

My son is diligently tracing our family tree. Turns out that half of the family legends about where we’re originally from are wildly inaccurate.

289 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:02:27am

re: #285 Targetpractice

Wasn’t til I started asking questions in an effort to put together the beginnings of a family tree that my mother found out that the man she assumed was her father wasn’t.

Damn. That’s crazy. I didn’t find anything like that in mine but I did find that my family has been in the US a lot longer than I thought they were. I had always thought the first people in my family emigrated around the Civil War but it turns out that my great great great grandparents emigrated from Alsace (another shocker since that side was thought to be exclusively Irish) in Washington’s presidency.

290 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 9:02:55am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

It’s the exact same thing that happened to Warren, she always listened to her family lore and believed that she had some Native American roots.

291 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2015 9:03:43am

re: #236 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The story is a few days old, but Chuck just found out about it last night.


Judge slams victims for tot’s ‘black men’ fear

(warning: autoplay video at the link)

292 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 9:03:47am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Whatever you say, I still contend that because my great grandmother was a Joyce that James Joyce is my cousin and that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

“Stately, plump Buck Mulligan…”

293 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 9:03:50am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Whatever you say, I still contend that because my great grandmother was a Joyce that James Joyce is my cousin and that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

You’re writing much too clearly. /

294 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2015 9:03:51am

re: #278 Great White Snark

Did Brian Williams get a job on Hillary’s campaign?

Hillary Clinton Got Her Grandparents’ Immigration Story Wrong

Drudge? Nope. People Magazine.

If the wingnuts want to turn THIS into an issue, by all means, please proceed.

295 makeitstop  Apr 16, 2015 9:03:58am

re: #273 Nyet

If you call yourself a progressive but think that Rand Paul is more honest and progressive than Clinton, you’re not a progressive. You’re a degenerate hack.

Joe Conason is a smart dude. I’ve met him a few times, and he’s always on point.

296 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:03:58am

re: #290 Nyet

It’s the exact same thing that happened to Warren, she always listened to her family lore and believed that she had some Native American roots.

I cut a little slack to Warren given those were distant ancestors she heard about rather than her folks.

297 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 9:04:24am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Damn. That’s crazy. I didn’t find anything like that in mine but I did find that my family has been in the US a lot longer than I thought they were. I had always thought the first people in my family emigrated around the Civil War but it turns out that my great great great grandparents emigrated from Alsace (another shocker since that side was thought to be exclusively Irish) in Washington’s presidency.

My father’s great aunt has been doing a family tree, which is somewhat difficult based upon my grandfather having been adopted into the family. But our family lineage apparently traces all the way back to a pair of brothers who got here in the 18th century. One stayed in Kentucky, the other began the journey out west.

298 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:06:27am

re: #297 Targetpractice

My father’s great aunt has been doing a family tree, which is somewhat difficult based upon my grandfather having been adopted into the family. But our family lineage apparently traces all the way back to a pair of brothers who got here in the 18th century. One stayed in Kentucky, the other began the journey out west.

I wish I could trace back further but I’m glad to found what I’ve found.

299 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:07:01am

re: #294 Dr. Matt

If the wingnuts want to turn THIS into an issue, by all means, please proceed.

To be fair to the wingnuts, this isn’t them but People magazine. That said, I still expect them to grasp for straws on it.

300 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 9:07:43am

re: #294 Dr. Matt

If the wingnuts want to turn THIS into an issue, by all means, please proceed.

They used up all the good Clinton shit in the ’80s.

301 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:08:04am

re: #293 Nyet

You’re writing much too clearly. /

Haha, truth be told, I’m more likely related to Lord Haw Haw. His family was from the same part of Ireland that mine was unlike Joyce who was a Dubliner by way of Cork.

302 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 9:08:49am

As for my mother’s side of the family, HA, good luck. She’s from a small town in Kentucky, and if you do back more than two generations, you find the family tree begins to turn into a fractal. Family legend is we’re related to either the Hatfields or the McCoys, but nobody’s had the stomach to really do the research.

303 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 9:10:06am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

To be fair to the wingnuts, this isn’t them but People magazine. That said, I still expect them to grasp for straws on it.

I heard that Clinton and Bill Ayers lived together in the same hemisphere.

304 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 9:10:55am

re: #302 Targetpractice

As for my mother’s side of the family, HA, good luck. She’s from a small town in Kentucky, and if you do back more than two generations, you find the family tree begins to turn into a fractal. Family legend is we’re related to either the Hatfields or the McCoys, but nobody’s had the stomach to really do the research.

Could be both, they were inter-married. Last I went, they still open the Jenny Wiley music festival with Devil Anse’s horn.

305 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 9:11:09am

re: #303 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I heard that Clinton and Bill Ayers lived together in the same hemisphere.

THaT’s it! InpEECH!!!1

306 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2015 9:12:07am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

To be fair to the wingnuts, this isn’t them but People magazine. That said, I still expect them to grasp for straws on it.

Drudge is pimping it and “lostlakehiker” and CCJ are busting nuts over this non-story. It’s just a matter of time before Fox “news” and am hate radio turn it into a national tragedy.

307 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:12:16am

It’s actually been a pleasant surprise with my mother’s mother’s side. Though my maternal grandmother’s mother’s father is a mystery. My great aunt kept a copy of her baptism certificate and there’s no father listed though she does have godparents listed. My speculation is sadly that she was likely a rape victim or perhaps the father of my great grandmother was some noble who wouldn’t want to be listed with a lowly peasant girl. It’s also interesting since the name listed on the record is different from the name she went by. I don’t think Ludmilla and Helena are names that are related to each other and I know it wasn’t a middle name thing since middle names weren’t part of my grandmother’s family naming customs- she herself has no middle name and neither do my great aunts/uncles on that side.

308 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 9:13:09am

Dear wingnuts, if you don’t vote for Hillary, you might miss an opportunity to impeach her! Think about it.

;)

309 danarchy  Apr 16, 2015 9:13:10am

re: #293 Nyet

You’re writing much too clearly. /

I tried reading Finnegans Wake once. Got a headache after about 25 pages and gave up on it.

310 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2015 9:13:18am

re: #303 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I heard that Clinton and Bill Ayers lived together in the same hemisphere.

And they both like guac.

311 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:13:24am

re: #306 Dr. Matt

Drudge is pimping it and “lostlakehiker” and CCJ are busting nuts over this non-story. It’s just a matter of time before Fox “news” and am hate radio turn it into a national tragedy.

Well NM then. Seriously what a fucking joke. It’s an easy error to make as I said if you haven’t done the research. Hell I bet I’ve found out through my own research more about some of my grandparents’ grandparents than they knew.

312 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 9:13:58am

re: #309 danarchy

I tried reading Finnegans Wake once. Got a headache after about 25 pages and gave up on it.

You’re a more resilient person than I.

313 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:14:00am

re: #309 danarchy

I tried reading Finnegans Wake once. Got a headache after about 25 pages and gave up on it.

Dubliners is a good read. I haven’t read any of his other stuff though. Well I tried Portrait of an Artist as a young man but got distracted.

314 Ace-o-aces  Apr 16, 2015 9:15:32am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

The story is a few days old, but Chuck just found out about it last night.


Judge slams victims for tot’s ‘black men’ fear

(warning: autoplay video at the link)

Yeah, naturally CCJ is framing the statements of one judge into DA WAR ON WHIT PEOPLES!!!!

315 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2015 9:15:43am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Well NM then. Seriously what a fucking joke. It’s an easy error to make as I said if you haven’t done the research. Hell I bet I’ve found out through my own research more about some of my grandparents’ grandparents than they knew.

I agree. My parents told us that we were part French and when we finally examined the finally tree it turned out to be false. We had family that lived near France, but they were still German.

316 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 9:15:53am

re: #309 danarchy

I tried reading Finnegans Wake once. Got a headache after about 25 pages and gave up on it.

Liked the song better.

317 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 9:17:39am

The intenet can be fun…@darth takes this:

To this:

then:

and finally:

318 Ace-o-aces  Apr 16, 2015 9:18:11am
319 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 16, 2015 9:18:43am

Speaking of family trees and the State of KY:

George Johnson became the first Confederate Governor of the State of KY(the shadow government of KY). He owned slaves in Scott County, near the city of Georgetown. He had a daughter with one of his slaves. That daughter was my great-great-great grandmother. Her mother is as far back through slave lineage I’ve been able to go, but can trace back through Johnson a bit more. When a black teacher with pretty dark skin can bring this information to a class full of 25 white faces, I do get some ooo’s and ahh’s.

The crazy thing was when I got to teach in my class, two descendants of Johnson (twin brother and sister) on the “white side”.

320 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 9:19:21am

re: #314 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, naturally CCJ is framing the statements of one judge into DA WAR ON WHIT PEOPLES!!!!

Hmmm. The judge in question is black. I’m shocked CCJ would try to stoke outrage on this. Shocked.

/

321 freetoken  Apr 16, 2015 9:20:39am

If news outlets think that running screaming headlines about errors in knowing about family stories and family trees is some sort of great “gotcha”, I don’t know what they’re going to write headlines about next.

Perhaps a candidate has mistaken milk chocolate for dark chocolate at the candy counter? How about a story where Hillary was 5 lbs overweight to fit into a skirt? Maybe we can get a headline about pedicures??

322 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 9:22:47am

re: #321 freetoken

If news outlets think that running screaming headlines about errors in knowing about family stories and family trees is some sort of great “gotcha”, I don’t know what they’re going to write headlines about next.

Perhaps a candidate has mistaken milk chocolate for dark chocolate at the candy counter? How about a story where Hillary was 5 lbs overweight to fit into a skirt? Maybe we can get a headline about pedicures??

The RWNJ sites already have a ‘cankles’ photo in circulation. You don’t want to see it.

323 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2015 9:25:20am

re: #321 freetoken

If news outlets think that running screaming headlines about errors in knowing about family stories and family trees is some sort of great “gotcha”, I don’t know what they’re going to write headlines about next.

Perhaps a candidate has mistaken milk chocolate for dark chocolate at the candy counter? How about a story where Hillary was 5 lbs overweight to fit into a skirt? Maybe we can get a headline about pedicures??

WND, Teh Blaze, and Newsmax are in full meltdown mode.

324 freetoken  Apr 16, 2015 9:28:27am

I thought 2 of my grandparents were immigrants until I actually looked into it. Turns out one of them was born in the US, a year after her mother came off the boat.

Who knows these kinds of details unless one does real research?

325 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 9:29:02am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

WND, Teh Blaze, and Newsmax are in full meltdown mode.

Over this?

Hillary Clinton Wrong On Family’s Immigration History, Records Show

“Her grandparents always spoke about the immigrant experience and, as a result she has always thought of them as immigrants,” a spokesperson says. “As has been correctly pointed out, while her grandfather was an immigrant, it appears that Hillary’s grandmother was born shortly after her parents and siblings arrived in the U.S. in the early 1880s.” —Buzzfeed

WTH, she mixed grandmother and great-grandparents. They sure as hell aren’t Iroquois.

326 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 9:30:04am

My middle son is the family historian. He found out that Zedushka’s grandmother was born in Ireland (we knew her family lived in Ireland but we thought she was born in Russia or Palestine).

He also found out that my great-grandfather was well-known to Michigan, Ohio and Canadian law enforcement LOL

My mother told us that her grandfather “owned a pawnshop” but that means he was a “fence”

327 freetoken  Apr 16, 2015 9:30:14am

re: #325 Decatur Deb

WTH, she mixed grandmother and great-grandparents. They sure as hell aren’t Iroquois.

Cherokee - that’s the one that’s always supposed to be in family trees.

328 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 9:30:58am

re: #327 freetoken

Cherokee - that’s the one that’s always supposed to be in family trees.

Pocahontas has like a bazillion white descendants.

329 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 9:30:59am

This works.
…

330 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:33:00am

re: #326 Lord Of The Pies

My middle son is the family historian. He found out that Zedushka’s grandmother was born in Ireland (we knew her family lived in Ireland but we thought she was born in Russia or Palestine).

He also found out that my great-grandfather was well-known to Michigan, Ohio and Canadian law enforcement LOL

My mother told us that her grandfather “owned a pawnshop” but that means he was a “fence”

There’s a funny story about Irish Jews. Dublin had a Jewish mayor in the mid 50’s. Yogi Berra when told about this responded “Only in America.”

331 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:35:09am

re: #315 Dr. Matt

I agree. My parents told us that we were part French and when we finally examined the finally tree it turned out to be false. We had family that lived near France, but they were still German.

Hell those French ones I speak of could actually been German. I don’t know since the surname doesn’t sound specifically German or French. Ditto the given names. But yeah you hear so much about family lore and it’s easy to buy some of that stuff. As I said, I reckon I know more about some of my great great grandparents than their own grandchildren did.

332 jimmyvluv4u  Apr 16, 2015 9:36:17am

Sesame Street does Slayer:

Youtube Video

And for the other end of the musical spectrum, Bert and Ernie do some hip-hop. This is one of my all-time favorite Youtube clips BTW, it’s super well done.

…

333 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 9:40:03am

I could understand this whole “scandal” if Hillary had made her bones on the immigrant story, like Rubio has. Or if she were anti-immigrant despite being descended from immigrants, like Rubio and Cruz both are.

But she brings this up in a single speech and it’s grounds for screaming fits? No, just no.

334 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:42:35am

re: #333 Targetpractice

I could understand this whole “scandal” if Hillary had made her bones on the immigrant story, like Rubio has. Or if she were anti-immigrant despite being descended from immigrants, like Rubio and Cruz both are.

But she brings this up in a single speech and it’s grounds for screaming fits? No, just no.

Yeah it’s just an anecdotal story that turned out to be wrong. Like I’ll give an example using my own family lore. My grandmother always told us that her Dad was friends with Honus Wagner. If I used that to get free Pirates tickets or stuff like that, then yeah shame on me but if I mention it in a stump speech to Western Pennsylvanians, and it turns out to be inaccurate, yeah my bad but it’s not a big deal since it’s family lore. By the way I really hope that is true. I love the idea of my Pap Pap being friends with one of the best baseball players ever.

335 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 9:45:11am

…

336 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 9:48:09am

re: #333 Targetpractice

I could understand this whole “scandal” if Hillary had made her bones on the immigrant story, like Rubio has. Or if she were anti-immigrant despite being descended from immigrants, like Rubio and Cruz both are.

But she brings this up in a single speech and it’s grounds for screaming fits? No, just no.

It’s like the big nothingburger of Elizabeth Warren’s alleged Native American ancestry. She did not claim a scholarship or a designated academic position or some affirmative action goodies reserved for Native Americans. She just mentioned that she might have Native ancestors. So why is it even such a big deal?

337 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 9:48:31am

re: #333 Targetpractice

I could understand this whole “scandal” if Hillary had made her bones on the immigrant story, like Rubio has. Or if she were anti-immigrant despite being descended from immigrants, like Rubio and Cruz both are.

But she brings this up in a single speech and it’s grounds for screaming fits? No, just no.

That’s going to be the tone for the next 19 months.

338 Romantic Heretic  Apr 16, 2015 9:48:46am

re: #272 makeitstop

But isn’t that exactly what God-botherers like Bachmann want?

Then why the fuck is she complaining about it?

Maybe she’s starting to worry that Jesus might not be pleased with her and her fellow travellers.

339 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:50:35am

re: #336 Lord Of The Pies

It’s like the big nothingburger of Elizabeth Warren’s alleged Native American ancestry. She did not claim a scholarship or a designated academic position or some affirmative action goodies reserved for Native Americans. She just mentioned that she might have Native ancestors. So why is it even such a big deal?

Because of who is saying it. It’s okay for Marco Rubio to make his parents out to be brave refugees fleeing the tyrannical Castro even though they emigrated here before Castro even got into power but not for Hillary to make an innocent error. This really is grasping for straws. If the right wants to make this an issue with Hillary then they’re ven more pathetic than I thought but then again the WSJ was trying to find a political motive in her fast food Tex-Mex meal of choice.

340 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:51:02am

re: #337 Decatur Deb

That’s going to be the tone for the next 19 months.

plus four years and then some if she’s elected and re-elected I’m afraid.

341 Great White Snark  Apr 16, 2015 9:51:47am

re: #279 Targetpractice

Quick question: Who, besides those who either aren’t going to vote for her or are looking for reasons not to like her, gives a toss?

So…. it’s not worth mentioning?!

Scandal? Hardly. Dumb rookie mistake really surprising from a seasoned pro? Yes it is. oops.

342 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 16, 2015 9:52:24am

…

343 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 9:52:31am

re: #336 Lord Of The Pies

It’s like the big nothingburger of Elizabeth Warren’s alleged Native American ancestry. She did not claim a scholarship or a designated academic position or some affirmative action goodies reserved for Native Americans. She just mentioned that she might have Native ancestors. So why is it even such a big deal?

The definition of chutzpah is having fits over a candidate’s minor genealogical error when your own party ran a fucking robot in the last General Election.

344 Mike Lamb  Apr 16, 2015 9:52:51am

re: #227 Lord Of The Pies

And for the right, poor people will do more, if they have less, while rich people will do less, unless they have more.

345 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 9:54:37am

re: #344 Mike Lamb

And for the right, poor people will do more, if they have less, while rich people will do less, unless they have more.

It’s an RW article of faith that poor people have too much money and rich people don’t have enough.

346 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 9:54:45am

re: #341 Great White Snark

So…. it’s not worth mentioning?!

No, it’s really not. Certainly not as if it might be worthy of discussion because People brings it up. On the same level as the nothingburger WSJ served up yesterday, criticizing her for her choice of restaurant because Chipoltes is “liberal” as opposed to the “moderate” Taco Bell.

I get it, RWC, you’re not thrilled with her as the candidate. Neither am I, but I’m willing to ride on the bandwagon until something better comes along.

347 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 9:54:47am

re: #343 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The definition of chutzpah is having fits over a candidate’s minor genealogical error when your own party ran a fucking robot in the last General Election.

This made me laugh aloud. Props.

348 Great White Snark  Apr 16, 2015 9:56:25am

re: #346 Targetpractice

I do vote my conscience, I don’t do DNC or GOP bandwagons. Plus gonna feel free to speak of bad days for her as well as good days for her. Stuff I like, stuff I don’t.

349 Mike Lamb  Apr 16, 2015 9:56:47am

re: #260 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts in a frothing rage over the CEO who gave all his employees 70K (including himself)

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Who can’t do math? As I understand it, the “pie” for labor costs is being re-distributed—it’s not getting larger.

350 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 9:58:38am

re: #348 Great White Snark

I do vote my conscience, I don’t do DNC or GOP bandwagons.

And I respect that. But my conscience, she’s willing to compromise. I don’t get the candidate I want, but I don’t want a Republican in the White House. Everything between is negotiable.

351 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 10:00:45am

re: #349 Mike Lamb

Who can’t do math? As I understand it, the “pie” for labor costs is being re-distributed—it’s not getting larger.

They are seriously hoping for Gravity to fail because what the CEO has done cuts right to the heart of their most deeply cherished faiths.

352 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 10:02:14am

re: #349 Mike Lamb

Who can’t do math? As I understand it, the “pie” for labor costs is being re-distributed—it’s not getting larger.

Which = Bankrupt because shutup.
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353 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 10:02:50am

re: #351 Lord Of The Pies

They are seriously hoping for Gravity to fail because what the CEO has done cuts right to the heart of their most deeply cherished faiths.

Nailed it. The implication is that the CEO isn’t solely responsible for an organization’s success. That in turn suggests that employees may be something more than easily replaceable parts.

354 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 16, 2015 10:02:58am

re: #203 leftynyc

You could root for my beloved Rangers. First game against Penguins is tonight at 7PM.

Well, see ….I’m a Devils fan.

I’m sort of allergic to that.

Also, if my current track record is anything to go by, if I root for them they’d be out in round 1.

355 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 16, 2015 10:04:07am

re: #351 Lord Of The Pies

They are seriously hoping for Gravity to fail because what the CEO has done cuts right to the heart of their most deeply cherished faiths.

1. Hurr hurr if you were worth $15/hr you’d be paid $15/hr!!

CEO gives everyone else a raise.

2. Hurr hurr stupid CEO doesn’t understand math or Free Market he’ll be Bankruptcy!!!11

356 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 10:04:49am

re: #353 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Nailed it. The implication is that the CEO isn’t solely responsible for an organization’s success. That in turn suggests that employees may be something more than easily replaceable parts.

He’ll get a lot of people eager to work for him. Wingers don’t seem to get that it’s good for business to treat your employees like people rather than pawns in your get rich quick scheme.

357 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 10:05:31am

re: #355 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

1. Hurr hurr if you were worth $15/hr you’d be paid $15/hr!!

CEO gives everyone else a raise.

2. Hurr hurr stupid CEO doesn’t understand math or Free Market he’ll be Bankruptcy!!!11

Conservatives are economic illiterates is the only thing I can realitsically conclude. I mean we are talking about an ideology that pushes endless tax cuts and endless defense hikes.

358 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 10:07:33am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

It’s all about the right kind of people getting the dough. Conservatives will tell you at nauseating length just who those people are. There were never better slaves or worse masters than today’s conservatives.

359 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 10:08:37am

re: #358 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s all about the right kind of people getting the dough. Conservatives will tell you at nauseating length just who those people are. There were never better slaves or worse masters than today’s conservatives.

I think it’s pathetic really.

360 Kragar  Apr 16, 2015 10:11:52am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Con: “Giving businesses tax cuts means more jobs will be created!”

Lib: “That hasn’t worked in 30 years. Now, if you raise wages, people will have more disposable income and be able to afford more goods and services, stimulating the economy and encouraging investment.”

Con: “THAT WOULD NEVER WORK LIBTARD!”

361 Eventual Carrion  Apr 16, 2015 10:14:57am

re: #294 Dr. Matt

If the wingnuts want to turn THIS into an issue, by all means, please proceed.

Then Teddy Cruz can tell us his immigration story. Which should be pretty accurate since he was there.

362 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 10:15:28am

Beleaguered defenders of the wannabe cop out in Oklahoma have been trying to convince me that, despite being 73 yrs old, he had all the necessary training and thus was safe to be trusted. Yeah, about that…

363 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 10:16:10am

re: #358 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s all about the right kind of people getting the dough. Conservatives will tell you at nauseating length just who those people are. There were never better slaves or worse masters than today’s conservatives.

Wingnuts love this meme. It just shows what disgusting people they are.

Every time I see that meme, I Tweet this one==>

364 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2015 10:16:10am

re: #116 freetoken

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Log Cabin Republicans disinvited from Western Conservative Summit

As the GOP turns more theocratic, I wonder how long it will be before the Log Cabin folk come to their senses?

Note that the Western Conservative Summit looks to attract big names in GOP Presidential Primary:

2016 Presidential Contenders Lining Up to Address WCS15

Former Senate President John Andrews, who heads Colorado Christian University’s Centennial Institute, the summit’s sponsors, informed officers of the Colorado Log Cabin Republicans in an email on Tuesday that the group won’t be allowed to have an exhibitor table at the gathering, which features appearances by several potential GOP presidential candidates. The Log Cabin Republicans can, however, buy tickets and attend the conservative extravaganza, Andrews noted.

That’s after summit organizers had already processed a $250 payment from the gay-rights group for a table at the event, a spokesman for the Colorado Log Cabin Republicans said in a statement.

“It is a pretty common issue we face,” said Michael Carr, a one-time Republican state Senate candidate and the secretary of the state Log Cabin Republicans. “They’ll take our money, but want us in the closet.”

The dis-invitation “is showcasing the exact problem with the right,” Carr said. “We should be expanding the tent, not excluding people who have shared ideas and philosophies. This is the most important time for us to be reaching out to all types of groups and people, all types of Republicans, all types of conservatives. Young people especially want to see a robust political debate and this dis-invitation is the exact opposite of that. Being perceived as anti-gay turns young people off even more than it does the general public.”

In his email to the group, Andrews said the “worldview and policy agenda” of the Log Cabin Republicans — the group advocates for gay marriage, along with “fairness, freedom, and equality for LGBT Americans” — is “fundamentally at odds with what Colorado Christian University stands for, so it’s just not a fit. I’m sorry it has to be that way.”

Methinks the Log Cabin Republicans need to change their name soon. How much more of this crap will they put up with before they abandon the GOP?

365 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 10:18:02am

re: #360 Kragar

Con: “Giving businesses tax cuts means more jobs will be created!”

Lib: “That hasn’t worked in 30 years. Now, if you raise wages, people will have more disposable income and be able to afford more goods and services, stimulating the economy and encouraging investment.”

Con: “THAT WOULD NEVER WORK LIBTARD!”

Right, we’ve been hearing the tax cuts for the extremely wealthy will create jobs forever now and it just doesn’t happen. Maybe it would happen if the “creators” were more willing to invest rather than just pocket the money and put in an offshore account but they’re not. Furthermore, I strongly feel that the best way to create productive workers is to treat them like people. Pay them well, give them decent benefits, etc.

366 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 16, 2015 10:19:01am

re: #363 Lord Of The Pies

You want some nice condescension towards the poors, you don’t even have to go to Twitter for it:

We don’t want the working poor, who are doing their meager best, to suffer undue financial hardship simply because their skills are not sufficient to sustain them.

367 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 10:19:07am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Methinks the Log Cabin Republicans need to change their name soon. How much more of this crap will they put up with before they abandon the GOP?

There’s always people who are willing to delude themselves into believing that if they just vote for the “sane” candidates, they’re not voting for the “crazies.”

368 HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2015 10:19:09am

re: #363 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts love this meme. It just shows what disgusting people they are.

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Every time I see that meme, I Tweet this one==>

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Wingnuts have their head so far up the asshole of the very wealthy it’s not even funny. Really wingnuts tell me how the single mother working two jobs doesn’t work harder than Donald Trump. Tell me. I’m all fuckign ears.

369 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 10:24:16am
370 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 10:25:54am
371 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 10:28:20am

Now Teh Twitters is erupting in OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!!!1!!!!! because Hillary parked in a blue space.

I am younger than Hillary and I park in the blue space.

She could have arthritis, it’s not uncommon at her age.

372 jaunte  Apr 16, 2015 10:29:27am

re: #370 Bubblehead II

“…East Lansing High School Principal Coby Fletcher issued a statement today saying that the district includes abstinence education but it’s not abstinence-only education as many were led to believe based on the tweets.”

It’s abstinence AND shaming!

373 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2015 10:30:14am

re: #363 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts love this meme. It just shows what disgusting people they are.

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Every time I see that meme, I Tweet this one==>

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A friend from High School posted on FB yesterday that her daughter is making the same amount she made at the same age - NOT inflation-adjusted, the same nominal dollar amount - pointing out how wages have not kept up with everything else.

Some of her friends immediately launched into diatribes about how this generation didn’t work hard enough, and wanted everything handed to them.

Then her son responded with just how tired he is hearing us Boomers talk about how HIS generation want everything handed to them, considering just how much more was handed to us. It was refreshing.

374 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 10:30:37am

re: #370 Bubblehead II

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Article boiled down: “How dare she make the school look stupid?!”

375 Kragar  Apr 16, 2015 10:31:04am

re: #372 jaunte

“…East Lansing High School Principal Coby Fletcher issued a statement today saying that the district includes abstinence education but it’s not abstinence-only education as many were led to believe based on the tweets.”

It’s abstinence AND shaming!

“Nothing is stopping you from having sex, but every condom has a hole and you’ll get pregnant or you’ll catch something and DIE!”

376 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:31:42am

re: #255 piratedan

I agree that a LOT of this can be traced back to Watergate. Instead of being chastised by the transgressions of the Nixon Administration and their minions the GOP has instead felt like they were persecuted unfairly over it. They still seem to believe that Nixon got a raw deal and the America wasn’t to blame but that the media was, never mind the political leanings of Bob Woodward.

Since that time, what has happened, GOP has essentially co-opted the media by turning it into a financial entity rather than a news reporting/investigative entity. They’re hungry for ratings and clicks rather than accuracy in reporting and reporting the events and causes and performing analysis. My own feelings that the most evil bastards are the ones that spin the story before we even see it, the nameless and faceless news directors who decide what is “news” and how they frame how it will be presented to the folks at home. I have the feeling that the GOP totally owns those folks which is why they suffer so few repercussions from all of the whacked out shit that they do and the introduction of the magical balance fairy and how “both sides do it”.

Actually, I’d go back 150 years earlier. A lot of this can be traced back to the end of the civil war. How much did we fuck up by not kicking the Confederacy while they were down?

377 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 10:32:10am

re: #370 Bubblehead II

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Looks like a better day to be Alice Dreger than Alice Dreger’s son.

378 Kragar  Apr 16, 2015 10:32:26am

re: #376 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Actually, I’d go back 150 years earlier. A lot of this can be traced back to the end of the civil war. How much did we fuck up by not kicking the Confederacy while they were down?

I blame Rutherford B Hayes.

379 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2015 10:33:58am

re: #374 Targetpractice

Article boiled down: “How dare she make the school look stupid?!”

There’s a really simple way for them to avoid this in the future - they school could try not BEING stupid.

No, wait - what am I thinking?

380 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:34:04am

re: #377 Decatur Deb

Looks like a better day to be Alice Dreger than Alice Dreger’s son.

Actually, I envy Alice Dreger’s son. (sent her a supportive tweet yesterday.)

381 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 16, 2015 10:34:18am

re: #373 Blind Frog Belly White

A friend from High School posted on FB yesterday that her daughter is making the same amount she made at the same age - NOT inflation-adjusted, the same nominal dollar amount - pointing out how wages have not kept up with everything else.

Some of her friends immediately launched into diatribes about how this generation didn’t work hard enough, and wanted everything handed to them.

Then her son responded with just how tired he is hearing us Boomers talk about how HIS generation want everything handed to them, considering just how much more was handed to us. It was refreshing.

…is the concept that wages have not kept up with inflation really that hard for people to understand?

Or is it just that acknowledging that, just maybe, their collective actions have had substantial consequences on the lives of the younger generations might provoke some self-examination and potentially the need for some belt-tightening to try and fix things, both of which would be uncomfortable and are therefore better off avoided.

I’m guessing probably the second. Sigh.

382 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:34:45am

re: #379 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s a really simple way for them to avoid this in the future - they school could try not BEING stupid.

No, wait - what am I thinking?

Yeah, you are not too familiar with u.s. school politics :D.

383 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 10:34:46am

re: #369 Bubblehead II

No shame in teaching a load of fallacious bullshit, but shameful to use a word that those kids use often.

384 jaunte  Apr 16, 2015 10:34:52am

re: #374 Targetpractice

Article boiled down: “How dare she make the school look stupid?!”

Reporting some stupidity.

385 jaunte  Apr 16, 2015 10:35:16am

“Good girl.”

386 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 10:35:30am

re: #372 jaunte

“…East Lansing High School Principal Coby Fletcher issued a statement today saying that the district includes abstinence education but it’s not abstinence-only education as many were led to believe based on the tweets.”

It’s abstinence AND slut shaming!

ftfy

387 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 10:35:35am

I admit, this is one of my pet peeves, when one of the “learned” decide to defend the indefensible by criticizing language or “attitude.” If you can’t prove the woman wrong, then please, admit such. Don’t spend the entire article browbeating her for calling out the rank stupidity of abstinence-only.

388 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 10:36:16am

re: #380 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Actually, I envy Alice Dreger’s son. (sent her a supportive tweet yesterday.)

She has come and gone. He’ll be there for months or years. If she wants to fix the problem, and it needs fixing, she needs to run for the school board.

389 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 10:36:17am

re: #374 Targetpractice

Article boiled down: “How dare she make the school look stupid?!”

They did it to themselves. She was just there to witness it as it went down.

390 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:36:52am

re: #387 Targetpractice

I admit, this is one of my pet peeves, when one of the “learned” decide to defend the indefensible by criticizing language or “attitude.” If you can’t prove the woman wrong, then please, admit such. Don’t spend the entire article browbeating her for calling out the rank stupidity of abstinence-only.

I have found principals, in general, not to be so “learned.” that’s anecdata, btw.

391 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 10:37:36am

re: #387 Targetpractice

I admit, this is one of my pet peeves, when one of the “learned” decide to defend the indefensible by criticizing language or “attitude.” If you can’t prove the woman wrong, then please, admit such. Don’t spend the entire article browbeating her for calling out the rank stupidity of abstinence-only.

HURR HURR YOU SAID A CUSS WORD!!!!! THAT MEANS I WIN TEH ARGUMENT!!!!!!!

HURR HURR YOU CALLED ME A RACIST!!!!! THAT MEANS I WIN TEH ARGUMENT!!!!!!!

392 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:37:41am

re: #388 Decatur Deb

She has come and gone. He’ll be there for months or years. If she wants to fix the problem, and it needs fixing, she needs to run for the school board.

Although, she’ll also be his mom for as long as she’s alive.

393 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 10:37:42am

re: #377 Decatur Deb

Looks like a better day to be Alice Dreger than Alice Dreger’s son.

The kid is fine.

394 jaunte  Apr 16, 2015 10:37:49am

Probably meetings today on how to exclude parents and smartphones from class.

395 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2015 10:39:12am

re: #383 Higgs Boson’s Mate

No shame in teaching a load of fallacious bullshit, but shameful to use a word that those kids use often.

Exactly. They probably hear worse from their classmates than they heard from her.

396 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 10:39:56am

re: #394 jaunte

Probably meetings today on how to exclude parents and smartphones from class.

I sort of imagine the policy on allowing parents to attend was intended to allow Bible-thumping parents a chance to sit in on the lessons and take home assurance that none of that filthiness about condoms or birth control was mentioned where their little snowflakes delicate ears might hear it.

397 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2015 10:40:08am

re: #384 jaunte

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Reporting some stupidity.

I found a REALLY good girl, one who actually said, “YES!”, and it was and has continued to be the best thing that ever happened to me.

398 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 16, 2015 10:40:41am

re: #390 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I have found principals, in general, not to be so “learned.” that’s anecdata, btw.

I’ve dealt with any number of them. They were all asshole careerists who would have cheerfully used a rusty pair of pliers to pull the teeth of every child in their school if doing so would move them up the ladder. Other than that, they seemed nice.

399 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:41:47am

re: #397 Blind Frog Belly White

I found a REALLY good girl, one who actually said, “YES!”, and it was and has continued to be the best thing that ever happened to me.

Sounds like some slash fiction waiting to happen. ;)

400 Kragar  Apr 16, 2015 10:42:11am
401 jaunte  Apr 16, 2015 10:45:19am


402 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 10:45:32am

re: #392 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Although, she’ll also be his mom for as long as she’s alive.

Yeah, that too.

403 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2015 10:46:08am

re: #77 avnishgempundit

the flexibility of commenting here is very good
we can state or share out thoughts through images/videos

I visit many sites but the commenting and reading experience here is far better than others

I hope I’m wrong, but I’m getting a very strong “spammer” vibe here.

404 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2015 10:46:23am

re: #394 jaunte

Probably meetings today on how to exclude parents and smartphones from class.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the signal jammers go up any moment.

405 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 10:47:41am

OUTRAGE OF THE DAY IS A NOTHINGBURGER

406 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:48:05am

re: #403 Charles Johnson

I hope I’m wrong, but I’m getting a very strong “spammer” vibe here.

There’s enough non-specific content in that comment to warrant your suspicions.

407 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2015 10:48:54am

re: #403 Charles Johnson

I hope I’m wrong, but I’m getting a very strong “spammer” vibe here.

Well it does seem written by someone who did not have English as a first language but overall it’s kind of tame. Probably a good idea to keep an eye on it though.

408 Eventual Carrion  Apr 16, 2015 10:48:58am

re: #375 Kragar

“Nothing is stopping you from having sex, but every condom has a hole and you’ll get pregnant or you’ll catch something and DIE!”

It’s dangerous out there for a playa.

409 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2015 10:49:00am

re: #381 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…is the concept that wages have not kept up with inflation really that hard for people to understand?

Or is it just that acknowledging that, just maybe, their collective actions have had substantial consequences on the lives of the younger generations might provoke some self-examination and potentially the need for some belt-tightening to try and fix things, both of which would be uncomfortable and are therefore better off avoided.

I’m guessing probably the second. Sigh.

There are several things working here. First is that every generation thinks the next generation are lazy fuckers who want everything handed to them and will never amount to anything. Our parents, “The Greatest Generation”, said it about us, and we say it about the “Millenials”. No doubt our grandparents said it about our parents. We all had to walk 10 mils to school uphill through drifts of snow, while this generation blah, blah, blah…

Then there’s the assumption that things for young adults are just like they were when we were their age - good-paying jobs as easily obtainable, promotion and raises coming just as easily.

Then there’s the Free Market worship that declares that whatever you’re paid, it must be what you’re worth - assuming you aren’t in a union, or don’t play sports - so if you’re poor, you did something to deserve it, or didn’t do something to deserve better.

The first cuts across the political spectrum, but the other two are pretty much Conservative dogma.

410 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:49:01am

re: #405 Lord Of The Pies

First of all, Hillary didn’t park anywhere.

411 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2015 10:49:15am

re: #406 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

There’s enough non-specific content in that comment to warrant your suspicions.

Registered last night just a few minutes after a spammer I just suspended.

412 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 10:49:37am

re: #403 Charles Johnson

I hope I’m wrong, but I’m getting a very strong “spammer” vibe here.

After clicking on his link… almost definitely.

413 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2015 10:49:40am

re: #399 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Sounds like some slash fiction waiting to happen. ;)

“My desires are…extremely conventional.”

414 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2015 10:50:30am

re: #411 Charles Johnson

Registered last night just a few minutes after a spammer I just suspended.

Different IPs?

415 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:50:47am

re: #412 Nyet

re: #411 Charles Johnson

I know better than to click any nym link on the Internets.

416 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2015 10:50:59am

re: #403 Charles Johnson

I hope I’m wrong, but I’m getting a very strong “spammer” vibe here.

Run the test.

You’re in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down. You see a pineapple pizza…

417 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:51:18am

re: #413 Blind Frog Belly White

“My desires are…extremely conventional.”

Define “conventional” lol.

418 Ace-o-aces  Apr 16, 2015 10:52:31am

re: #401 jaunte

419 freetoken  Apr 16, 2015 10:53:17am

Since we’re talking about both family history and income disparity, this new entry from ancestry.com may be of some interest:

Debunking the American Dream: Immigrants Did Better in 1900 Than in 2000

I did not read the original paper. I do wonder if the reason immigrants today seem worse off has to do with the large de-agriculturalization that this country has undergone. Once upon a time, if you were a farmer you’d be working in the median line of work. Today, farm labor is done by a minority and is less valued.

420 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2015 10:53:39am

re: #417 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Define “conventional” lol.

“I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it.”

421 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2015 10:55:32am

If you look for a fallen tree and don’t find one, did it fall?

422 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:56:25am

re: #420 Blind Frog Belly White

“I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it.”

plus one Supreme Court justice. :D

423 Kragar  Apr 16, 2015 10:57:03am

“This guy follows you on Twitter”

Um, no.

Blocked.

424 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 10:58:06am

re: #423 Kragar

Doug Dauntless. Really?!?

425 Nyet  Apr 16, 2015 10:58:25am

re: #421 Blind Frog Belly White

If you look for a fallen tree and don’t find one, did it fall?

Yes, but it was taken by the IRS.

426 freetoken  Apr 16, 2015 10:59:10am

re: #425 Nyet

Yes, but it was taken by the IRS.

… who then gives it to FEMA, to build camps…

427 jaunte  Apr 16, 2015 10:59:18am

re: #423 Kragar

“Defending Most Innocent” until they are Born In Sin.

428 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 11:00:21am

re: #426 freetoken

… who then gives it to FEMA, to build camps…

OBUMMER IS THE WORST DICTATOR EVAH!

429 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 11:00:30am
430 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 11:06:52am

OH LOOKY HERE

431 Kragar  Apr 16, 2015 11:06:59am
432 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 16, 2015 11:10:28am

re: #430 Lord Of The Pies

…is someone jealous?

433 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 11:10:30am

re: #431 Kragar

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The Flak 37 they keep in the Capital Building basement.

434 Kragar  Apr 16, 2015 11:10:38am

re: #430 Lord Of The Pies

435 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2015 11:11:11am
436 Lidane  Apr 16, 2015 11:11:14am

More projection than an IMAX theater:

437 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 11:13:04am

According to Wonkette, Dim Jim is only the SECOND STUPIDEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS.

438 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 11:13:10am

re: #435 Charles Johnson

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“who?” You’re so insignificant!

439 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2015 11:13:44am

re: #436 Lidane

“oh yeah baby, what a big rifle you have and that Koran…so sexy. Mmmm, talk Arabic to me baby. You can strap on that sexy vest and blow me up anytime…”

440 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2015 11:13:50am

(post meant to be satire, obviously. Apologies if I offended any of our Muslim lizards)

441 Lidane  Apr 16, 2015 11:14:29am

Mental health break:

442 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 16, 2015 11:14:50am

Because denying children the ability to participate in these activities is so how people lift themselves up by their bootstraps

443 jaunte  Apr 16, 2015 11:14:59am

re: #438 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

“who?” You’re so insignificant!

Too poor to buy a horde of followers.

444 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 11:15:15am

re: #437 Lord Of The Pies

According to Wonkette, Dim Jim is only the SECOND STUPIDEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS.

I think UpChuck took the crown over the last year, but Dim Jim is a powerhouse.

445 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 11:15:34am

Jeb’s comms guy is thin skinned.

446 Timothy Watson  Apr 16, 2015 11:15:43am

re: #362 Targetpractice

Beleaguered defenders of the wannabe cop out in Oklahoma have been trying to convince me that, despite being 73 yrs old, he had all the necessary training and thus was safe to be trusted. Yeah, about that…

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Of course the local Lord and other aristocracy should be allowed to be part of the local constabulary. He doesn’t need training, he’s BETTER than you.

447 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 11:16:54am

re: #445 darthstar

Jeb’s comms guy is thin skinned.

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Good…Darth photoshopped him into a tweet so here’s the pic.

See what I mean? His mother sucked at ironing.

448 Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2015 11:19:17am

re: #441 Lidane

Mental health break:

[Embedded content]

Uhm…wow.

449 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 11:19:23am

re: #445 darthstar

don’t you ever impugn Barbara like that again.

“That is a woman who knows how to hate.” - Richard Nixon.

450 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 11:22:24am

These fucking recruiters - they’ve got a bench of phone bankers in Bangalore that email and call simultaneously…they should change their names to DERP AND DERP…most of the gigs are hundreds if not thousands of miles from me and they’re all junior level positions.

451 Timothy Watson  Apr 16, 2015 11:22:40am

re: #441 Lidane

Mental health break:

[Embedded content]

It’s a trap?

452 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 16, 2015 11:22:45am

IRRELEVANT!!!!!!~ IRRELEVANT!!!!!!!!

453 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 11:22:53am

re: #449 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

“That is a woman who knows how to hate.” - Richard Nixon.

Holy crap…Nixon really said that about Babs?

454 danarchy  Apr 16, 2015 11:23:05am

re: #447 darthstar

Good…Darth photoshopped him into a tweet so here’s the pic.

[Embedded content]

See what I mean? His mother sucked at ironing.

Not for nothing, but anyone who bothers ironing a kids baseball jersey is too anal for life. Also, shouldn’t the blame be on whoever was in charge of wardrobe for the movie?

ok, pedantism mode off.

455 darthstar  Apr 16, 2015 11:24:51am

re: #454 danarchy

Not for nothing, but anyone who bothers ironing a kids baseball jersey is too anal for life. Also, shouldn’t the blame be on whoever was in charge of wardrobe for the movie?

ok, pedantism mode off.

You’re right. I should call Babs and apologize…but I won’t.

456 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2015 11:25:35am

re: #423 Kragar

“This guy follows you on Twitter”

[Embedded content]

Um, no.

Blocked.

Heh, I went to go preemptively block him and discovered he was already on my list as: DougDauntless - stalker associate, Christian wingnut

Yeah, I actually keep an annotated list with about half a dozen categories. “Stalker associate” means someone either joins in with their trolling, RTs them, or follows/is followed by one or more of them.

457 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 16, 2015 11:26:26am

re: #453 darthstar

Holy crap…Nixon really said that about Babs?

Oh, yeah. It was well-known quote.

458 EPR-radar  Apr 16, 2015 11:46:24am

re: #345 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s an RW article of faith that poor people have too much money and rich people don’t have enough.

The Republicans moan, the Republicans bitch:
‘Our rich are too poor and our poor are too rich’

459 #FergusonFireside  Apr 16, 2015 11:49:30am

re: #442 nearly-headless smith25

Because denying children the ability to participate in these activities is so how people lift themselves up by their bootstraps

[Embedded content]

But they can still use them to buy guns.

Guns were not on the excluded list.

460 EPR-radar  Apr 16, 2015 11:50:06am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Methinks the Log Cabin Republicans need to change their name soon. How much more of this crap will they put up with before they abandon the GOP?

Forever. For the Log Cabin Republicans, other people are less important to them than their own bank accounts.


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