Overnight Jam: Todd Rundgren, “Secret Society” and “Something to Fall Back On”

Everybody’s been a witness sometime
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Two awesome songs by Todd Rundgren, from a 1990 concert in Japan with his great “Nearly Human” band. This is Todd at his best, singing his heart out.

When we were young they would break our hearts
You and I had to go undercover
We knew in time we would be pulled apart
We found a way we could hold on to each other

Gave our souls to another world
Sealed in blood with a sacred vow
Now we’ve forgotten but beneath all this
A part of you and me is still there now, yeah

Go on and sing, go on and dance
It’ll all come back if you just give it a chance

Don’t you remember me?
We were a secret society
Like in your memory
We were the secret society

Refresh your memory
We were the secret society
Until eternity
We are the secret society

I never see you in the waking world
We make an effort to avoid each other
But every night we penetrate the veil
Where everybody acts like sister and brother

You never speak the words in broad daylight
They’re much too delicate and too naive
But everybody’s been a witness sometime
It doesn’t change it if you don’t believe, so

[Chorus]

I never see you in the waking world
We make an effort to avoid each other
But every night we penetrate the veil
Where everybody acts like sister and brother

You never speak the words in broad daylight
They’re much too delicate and too naive
But everybody’s been a witness sometime
It doesn’t change it if you don’t believe, so

So, go on and sing, go on and dance
It’ll all come back if you just give it a chance

And you’ll remember me?
We were a secret society
Not just a memory
You’re in the secret society

But you’ve got to go with me
You’re in the secret society
Until eternity
We are the secret society
Ooh, we’re so secret

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405 comments
1 bratwurst  May 21, 2015 9:27:31pm

[pedantic twit]

This is actually still on the Nearly Human tour, which I was lucky enough to see three times 1989-90. Most of this lineup went on to record 2nd Wind live at the Palace of Fine Arts in SF in the summer of 1990, but the band he took on the road the following year to promote the album was a bit different, and not quite as good…notably missing the late Vince Welnick, who had gone off to join the Grateful Dead..

[/pedantic twit]

At any rate, this was really a high point in Todd’s career. For some reason, Warners screwed up the promotion of Nearly Human. The Want Of A Nail was poised to be a rock radio hit, but they decided to promote a different “emphasis track” to MOR stations…yet another missed opportunity.

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2 Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2015 9:31:25pm

I’m at the Ancestral Home, visiting my 96-year old Dad. It’s disturbing. His mental faculties have diminished severely just in the last year or two. He used to be a very smart man with an incredible memory - he’d hide 30 eggs in the house for Easter and remember where they all were.

Now, he can’t remember that he’s in his own house, where he sleeps, etc. I’m not sure he knows who I am.

He seems happy, though, to have us here. And my older sisters have been doing yeoman’s work taking care of him. His physical health is excellent, which is in a way more heartbreaking.

I hate the way old age can unwrite who we are from our own selves.

3 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 9:35:39pm

re: #2 Blind Frog Belly White

You and yours are in my thoughts.

My great-grandmother passed away when I was 19. The last time she recognized me as a member of the family (not my actual name) I was 14. The last time she recognized me as me I was 12.

Of all the things I fear about growing old, that would be the one. I would rather die aware than live on fading away.

4 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 9:38:38pm

{{{{{{{ GeneJockey }}}}}}}

5 retired cynic  May 21, 2015 9:38:39pm

re: #3 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Everybody feels that way, but you’d be surprised how some people will cling to a lesser version of life. We can’t know how we would feel until we get there, I guess. I know how I feel now.

6 retired cynic  May 21, 2015 9:40:26pm

That wasn’t expressed in the best way. Everybody feels that way when they are still ‘themselves.’

7 Kragar  May 21, 2015 9:42:50pm
8 jaunte  May 21, 2015 9:42:51pm
9 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 9:43:09pm

re: #6 retired cynic

That wasn’t expressed in the best way. Everybody feels that way when they are still ‘themselves.’

I got it.

10 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 9:44:10pm

re: #5 retired cynic

Everybody feels that way, but you’d be surprised how some people will cling to a lesser version of life. We can’t know how we would feel until we get there, I guess. I know how I feel now.

I know, but I also know what I can have put down in writing now.

Part of it is I’m the oldest of the great-grandchildren. I’m the only one who can remember her pre-Alzheimer’s.

I was almost 5 when my sister (next great-grandchild) was born.

Those 7 years? Those seven years were still quality, if hard. Maybe the nine. Sort of.

The point where she could no longer bathe herself? Walk? Chew? No. Spare me that.

The greatest blessing was that the house fire next door waited until 6 months after her passing to happen, because if she had still been alive, we would have lost both her and my great-aunt, who was her live-in caretaker and who never would have left her.

11 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 9:47:43pm

Well, been a good day for me today. The IRS came through with the biggest refund check I’ve ever had :) Got my bills caught up finally and will even have toy money left over.

Presuming the last bill isn’t too expensive (annual rent for a storage unit), I’ll order a VHT Special 6 Ultra amp and an Epiphone SG g400 66 limited edition guitar. That will be my entertainment budget for the year :LOL:

12 allegro  May 21, 2015 9:49:01pm

re: #6 retired cynic

That wasn’t expressed in the best way. Everybody feels that way when they are still ‘themselves.’

I also think we project a lot about how we think we would feel under those circumstances when that may not be the case at all. We get upset when our loved ones age and change when they may still be quite content.

13 Kragar  May 21, 2015 9:54:30pm
14 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 10:00:37pm

I like how this tweet turned out. I’ve got a way with words, don’t I?

15 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 10:03:30pm

re: #11 William Lewis

I saw this!

littlegreenfootballs.com

That would make some of my friends go

Huh?!?
16 Kragar  May 21, 2015 10:12:33pm

So, for Netflix’s latest new original show, they say they’re only going to release one episode a week…

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17 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 10:18:54pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Heh. There’s a few I’d like to confuse that way.

18 Kragar  May 21, 2015 10:20:18pm

ICYMI from this morning:

19 Kragar  May 21, 2015 10:22:49pm
20 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 10:27:29pm

I have to be honest, I didn’t know the Duggar family at all until today. I knew about the damn TV show “19 Kids And Counting” through stupid social media inlets, but I never knew any of the details or where such a TV show came from. Until today.

21 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 21, 2015 10:31:42pm

re: #18 Kragar

I’m sitting here wondering why anyone gives a shit one way or another about Mad Max.

I am sick to fucking death of hearing (allegedly) GROWN-ASS ADULTS taking superhero movies SO FUCKING SERIOUSLY.

Remember when we had movies like The Godfather, Taxi Driver, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, Chinatown, The French Connection, A Clockwork Orange, The Deer Hunter, or even fucking Star Wars??

22 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 10:32:46pm

re: #21 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

…because superhero movies can’t tell stories just as meaningful as those?

23 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 21, 2015 10:35:49pm

re: #22 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Not what I was talking about, but I’ll bite.

because superhero movies can’t tell stories just as meaningful as those?

Cite an example of a superhero movie that tells a meaningful story. For the sake of discussion, I’ll concede “The Dark Knight”.

24 goddamnedfrank  May 21, 2015 10:38:50pm

re: #21 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

*KIDS ON LAWN DETECTED*

25 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 10:38:55pm

re: #23 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Not what I was talking about, but I’ll bite.

Cite an example of a superhero movie that tells a meaningful story. For the sake of discussion, I’ll concede “The Dark Knight”.

Of the movies you listed, the only one I give a shit about and want to watch is Star Wars.

But hey, I’m apparently not a grown-ass adult, so. No, I’m not particularly interested in defending my viewing choices to you. Just noting your prejudices, is all.

26 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 21, 2015 10:43:05pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

ass-itching plant spores deployed. They won’t know until tomorrow.

27 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 21, 2015 10:44:05pm

re: #25 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Of the movies you listed, the only one I give a shit about and want to watch is Star Wars.

But hey, I’m apparently not a grown-ass adult, so. No, I’m not particularly interested in defending my viewing choices to you. Just noting your prejudices, is all.

Deliberate ignorance is attractive to someone, I’m sure.

28 Kragar  May 21, 2015 10:44:15pm

re: #23 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Not what I was talking about, but I’ll bite.

Cite an example of a superhero movie that tells a meaningful story. For the sake of discussion, I’ll concede “The Dark Knight”.

Unbreakable

Thor

Hellboy

29 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 10:45:17pm

re: #26 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Your loss.

re: #27 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Deliberate ignorance is attractive to someone, I’m sure.

I see my response irks you so much you had to reply twice. Man, it must be really irritating when someone shits all over the stuff you think is great, isn’t it?

30 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 21, 2015 10:46:39pm

re: #28 Kragar

1) I agree

2) are you seeing a doctor for the profound mental illness you are currently expressing?

3) mmmmmmaybe. Is that really a >>superhero<< movie, though?

31 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 21, 2015 10:49:20pm

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m sorry, what were you saying? I seem to have lost the plot.

32 Kragar  May 21, 2015 10:49:50pm

re: #30 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

1) I agree

2) are you seeing a doctor for the profound mental illness you are currently expressing?

3) mmmmmmaybe. Is that really a >>superhero<< movie, though?

I’m still snickering that you considered “The Dark Knight” as meaningful

If you consider Mad Max a “super hero”, than a demon prince fighting Nazis counts as a super hero

33 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 21, 2015 10:51:38pm

re: #28 Kragar

Unbreakable

Thor

Hellboy

Hancock?

34 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 10:51:38pm

re: #21 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’ve seen every film on your list. I’d only bother with seeing Star Wars ever again. The best film I saw last year was Guardians of the Galaxy. The only movie I am looking forward to this year is SW VII. I’m tired of pretentious movies that can’t tell as interesting a story even half as well.

35 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 10:52:30pm

re: #33 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hancock?

Babcock!

36 Pip's Squeak  May 21, 2015 10:53:56pm

re: #21 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’m sitting here wondering why anyone gives a shit one way or another about Mad Max.

I am sick to fucking death of hearing (allegedly) GROWN-ASS ADULTS taking superhero movies SO FUCKING SERIOUSLY.

Remember when we had movies like The Godfather, Taxi Driver, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, Chinatown, The French Connection, A Clockwork Orange, The Deer Hunter, or even fucking Star Wars??

The only one of these I’ve seen is One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, and this was in Stockholm in the late seventies. I fell asleep in the cinema. The book wasn’t bad though.

37 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 10:55:17pm

re: #36 Pip’s Squeak

The only one of these I’ve seen is One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, and this was in Stockholm in the late seventies. I fell asleep in the cinema. The book wasn’t bad though.

I’d recommend Star Wars at least.

Not really sure what it’s doing on the list, but I’d recommend it anyway.

But this is my not-a-grown-up-and-pretty-damn-proud-of-that-if-being-a-grown-up-means-liking-that-shit opinion.

38 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 21, 2015 10:58:32pm

re: #32 Kragar

None of the honest among us would ever consider “reading comprehension” to be your strong suit.

This is all a reaction to your characterization of Mad Max. Please tell us more about Mad Max.

39 Kragar  May 21, 2015 10:58:34pm

Meanwhile, we’re overlooking great films of today:

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40 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 21, 2015 10:59:13pm

re: #34 William Lewis

I’ll guess you’re under 30.

41 Kragar  May 21, 2015 10:59:26pm

re: #38 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

None of the honest among us would ever consider “reading comprehension” to be your strong suit.

This is all a reaction to your characterization of Mad Max. Please tell us more about Mad Max.

No, I think I’ll just tell you to go fuck yourself and leave it at that.

42 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 10:59:57pm

re: #40 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

51.

43 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 11:00:59pm

re: #40 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

PS. Remember the old saw about what assuming gets you…

44 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 21, 2015 11:01:48pm

re: #37 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d recommend Star Wars at least.

Not really sure what it’s doing on the list, but I’d recommend it anyway.

But this is my not-a-grown-up-and-pretty-damn-proud-of-that-if-being-a-grown-up-means-liking-that-shit opinion.

SW IV was written with the classic hero story as its basis (Joseph Campbell’s Hero of a Thousand Faces was Lucas’ inspiration). The sequels finished the hero arc with Luke replacing his father, but in a good way, and the quest (defeating the enemy) completed. Plus, they lived happily every after.

SW I-III were written with the classic Hollywood model of “we must make money on this franchise” by trying to redo the Luke-becomes-hero story as Annakin-becomes-villain, and largely failing at it.

45 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 11:02:13pm

re: #38 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

None of the honest among us would ever consider “reading comprehension” to be your strong suit.

This is all a reaction to your characterization of Mad Max. Please tell us more about Mad Max.

You know, I’ve never, ever thought Kragar had a problem with reading comprehension.

But you don’t think I’m a grown-up or, apparently, honest.

46 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 11:04:04pm

re: #44 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

SW IV was written with the classic hero story as its basis (Joseph Campbell’s Hero of a Thousand Faces was Lucas’ inspiration). The sequels finished the hero arc with Luke replacing his father, but in a good way, and the quest (defeating the enemy) completed. Plus, they lived happily every after.

SW I-III were written with the classic Hollywood model of “we must make money on this franchise” by trying to redo the Luke-becomes-hero story as Annakin-becomes-villain, and largely failing at it.

I have a whole paper written on the hero’s journey in the classic trilogy. For junior year English class, if I remember corrently. I think I saved Harry Potter for senior year.

But the original succeeded because it was fun. Not because of the storytelling. Let’s face it: storytelling was not really Lucas’s forte.

47 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 21, 2015 11:06:07pm

re: #46 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have a whole paper written on the hero’s journey in the classic trilogy. For junior year English class, if I remember corrently. I think I saved Harry Potter for senior year.

But the original succeeded because it was fun. Not because of the storytelling. Let’s face it: storytelling was not really Lucas’s forte.

Yeah. He lucked out with the first three, because the core actors managed to pull off the lame dialogue and the Gee-Whiz factor propelled the story. The prequels had none of that.

48 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 11:06:42pm

re: #46 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have a whole paper written on the hero’s journey in the classic trilogy. For junior year English class, if I remember corrently. I think I saved Harry Potter for senior year.

But the original succeeded because it was fun. Not because of the storytelling. Let’s face it: storytelling was not really Lucas’s forte.

I’d argue that what made the original films successful is that Lucas had had others to bounce ideas off of, who weren’t afraid to speak their minds to him. You see a lot of the same thing in Star Trek, where Gene started out as a guy with an idea that others helped temper into something that worked, but then as he got older become this larger than life figure that nobody was willing to talk back to because it was his name on the paychecks.

49 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 21, 2015 11:07:35pm

Hoping I am next movie pulls off Disney can

50 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 11:07:48pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

I’d argue that what made the original films successful is that Lucas had had others to bounce ideas off of, who weren’t afraid to speak their minds to him. You see a lot of the same thing in Star Trek, where Gene started out as a guy with an idea that others helped temper into something that worked, but then as he got older become this larger than life figure that nobody was willing to talk back to because it was his name on the paychecks.

Yep, I think that was another key factor in the original trilogy.

51 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 21, 2015 11:09:47pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

I’d argue that what made the original films successful is that Lucas had had others to bounce ideas off of, who weren’t afraid to speak their minds to him. You see a lot of the same thing in Star Trek, where Gene started out as a guy with an idea that others helped temper into something that worked, but then as he got older become this larger than life figure that nobody was willing to talk back to because it was his name on the paychecks.

Oh, for sure. But Roddenberry’s influence on the franchise waned after TNG. He would have done much different with Enterprise, I think. For the ST franchise, Bragga and Berman were the bigger problem.

52 EPR-radar  May 21, 2015 11:13:19pm

re: #23 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Not what I was talking about, but I’ll bite.

Cite an example of a superhero movie that tells a meaningful story. For the sake of discussion, I’ll concede “The Dark Knight”.

Batman and Robin. //

53 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 11:13:34pm

re: #51 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, for sure. But Roddenberry’s influence on the franchise waned after TNG. He would have done much different with Enterprise, I think. For the ST franchise, Bragga and Berman were the bigger problem.

That would mostly be because the studio kicked him upstairs and turned the series over to Berman. If you want a good idea of how full of himself the man had become before they wrestled things away, just watch the first three seasons. Not all at once, of course, as there’s only so much cheese the human body can handle at one time.

54 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 21, 2015 11:15:58pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

That would mostly be because the studio kicked him upstairs and turned the series over to Berman. If you want a good idea of how full of himself the man had become before they wrestled things away, just watch the first three seasons. Not all at once, of course, as there’s only so much cheese the human body can handle at one time.

I dimly remember seasons 1-3. I have to say, the later seasons were better.

55 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 11:16:58pm

Man, how awesome would it be if the Rand Paul flip flops had “I stand for this” and “I stand for that” emblazoned on the bottom?

/deep thoughts brought to you by sporadic moments of attention

56 Kragar  May 21, 2015 11:17:58pm

re: #55 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Man, how awesome would it be if the Rand Paul flip flops had “I stand for this” and “I stand for that” emblazoned on the bottom?

/deep thoughts brought to you by sporadic moments of attention

Flipflops were more meaningful back in the old days.

57 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 11:18:32pm

re: #56 Kragar

Flipflops were more meaningful back in the old days.

I wear them all the time, I have no idea how they couldn’t be meaningful now.

//

58 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 21, 2015 11:18:40pm

re: #55 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Man, how awesome would it be if the Rand Paul flip flops had “I stand for this” and “I stand for that” emblazoned on the bottom?

/deep thoughts brought to you by sporadic moments of attention

It would work on those little hourglass egg timers, too.

59 Kragar  May 21, 2015 11:21:26pm

re: #57 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wear them all the time, I have no idea how they couldn’t be meaningful now.

//

Could you explain what you mean by that? I can’t seem to comprehend what you’re trying to say.

60 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 11:22:31pm

re: #47 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Leigh Brackett, an old school space opera writer, saved Star Wars with her draft of V. Her last work it gave a much stronger story than Lucas was able to write. I to III also lacked her. The crew for VII seem to have learned that lesson… We’ll see in December if they really did.

61 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 11:23:26pm

re: #59 Kragar

Could you explain what you mean by that? I can’t seem to comprehend what you’re trying to say.

I promise, none of my footwear comes from the Rand Paul campaign fruitstand.

62 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 21, 2015 11:25:57pm

re: #60 William Lewis

Leigh Brackett, an old school space opera writer, saved Star Wars with her draft of V. Her last work it gave a much stronger story than Lucas was able to write. I to III also lacked her. The crew for VII seem to have learned that lesson… We’ll see in December if they really did.

Brackett was/is a SF writer, too. Lucas is a pretty good director, but as a writer he leaves much to be desired.

63 EPR-radar  May 21, 2015 11:26:09pm

re: #38 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

None of the honest among us would ever consider “reading comprehension” to be your strong suit.

This is all a reaction to your characterization of Mad Max. Please tell us more about Mad Max.

Random snobbery isn’t really worth commenting on, but unjustified personal attacks that take the form of speaking lies for me are irritating.

64 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 21, 2015 11:26:26pm

re: #57 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wear them all the time, I have no idea how they couldn’t be meaningful now.

//

I wear them pretty much year round, and funnily enough, I just saw some at Rite-Aid that the sign called what they were always called when I was younger: “zoris”. For many years, I would go through every bin of zoris I could find looking for the elusive size 12s, so believe me when I tell you, I never saw them referred to as anything else.

Somebody had to explain that line in the Jimmy Buffett song to me, but soon after that I started seeing and hearing this term “flip-flops” all over the place.

I can’t seem to call them anything but “zoris”, though.

65 TedStriker  May 21, 2015 11:26:33pm

re: #27 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I see someone’s in full-on “Let’s be a pedantic asshole tonight!” mode.

Can we please chill?

66 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 11:27:57pm

re: #64 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wore them pretty much year-round in Maryland, which sucked when it DID snow and that would be the one occasion I managed to lock myself out of my apartment.

67 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 11:28:42pm

re: #65 TedStriker

Eh, I just figure someone has has a couple cold ones too many. Lord knows I’ve played the fool here after doing that.

68 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 21, 2015 11:29:37pm

re: #66 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wore them pretty much year-round in Maryland, which sucked when it DID snow and that would be the one occasion I managed to lock myself out of my apartment.

Several times, I would try every shoe I had and have them slip and slide around in the snow and finally had to fall back on zoris as the only footwear that would keep me from falling on my ass. Courting frostbite, of course….

69 TedStriker  May 21, 2015 11:38:35pm

re: #67 William Lewis

Eh, I just figure someone has has a couple cold ones too many. Lord knows I’ve played the fool here after doing that.

Maybe so, but if not, negativ’s been around here more than long enough (over ten years) to know when to knock the fuck off acting like a dick to fellow Lizards that didn’t deserve it over shit that makes you scratch your head (movies? really?).

70 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 21, 2015 11:46:09pm

Re Star Trek: I don’t know why everybody was so down on Enterprise. After the stultifying last couple of seasons of Deep Space Nine (and Voyager altogether), I thought it was a breath of fresh air. Now admittedly, that third (?) season with their war with the Xindi was deadly, but they’d alternate with episodes that weren’t about that. Then the last season with those three-parters was some of the best Trek ever, IMO.

71 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 11:50:09pm

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72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 21, 2015 11:55:25pm

re: #70 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Re Star Trek: I don’t know why everybody was so down on Enterprise. After the stultifying last couple of seasons of Deep Space Nine (and Voyager altogether), I thought it was a breath of fresh air. Now admittedly, that third (?) season with their war with the Xindi was deadly, but they’d alternate with episodes that weren’t about that. Then the last season with those three-parters was some of the best Trek ever, IMO.

I’m with you on Enterprise. It was nowhere near as bad as most people (Trek fans, especially) say. I just took it as yet another TV SF show with some tenuous connections to the existing ST universe, and forgave its transgressions from “canon.” The last season had Manny Coto as the showrunner/executive producer, who tried to rescue it from the Bragga/Berman mess it was in, but it was too late. Networks value ad revenue above all else, and Enterprise couldn’t hold its own against the competition in the same time slot.

I liked the tension between the paternalistic Vulcans and rebellious Earthlings, especially. The Temporal Cold War, though, made no damned sense, and the writers kept forgetting that the time period predated TOS and much of that show’s tech.

The ending was horrible. I don’t blame the actors for being bitter about it.

73 LastYearsMan  May 21, 2015 11:57:13pm

I also think Enterprise was underrated. In fact, I liked it more than Voyager and DS9 (or, at least, I liked its potential).

74 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 11:58:44pm

Potential. That’s probably the best word for Enterprise . Sigh…

75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 12:04:52am

re: #73 LastYearsMan

I also think Enterprise was underrated. In fact, I liked it more than Voyager and DS9 (or, at least, I liked its potential).

I liked Voyager at the beginning, but the plotlines got way off course as the series progressed. The Delta quadrant was supposed to virtually empty of any species known to the UFP, yet the crew kept running into them over and over again. I skipped the last season entirely.

DS9 I liked better, since it was more dependent on political and religious tensions than aimless wandering through unknown space.

A more creative team could have made Voyager more like TOS, maybe more like the new Battlestar Galactica, but they played it safe and avoided all that social criticism stuff.

Also imaginative SF stuff.

76 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2015 12:09:36am

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The ending was horrible. I don’t blame the actors for being bitter about it.

They should have quit with the Terran Empire episode, with Hoshi as the new Emperor.

And with that it’s bedtime—Nytol!

77 Lancelot Link  May 22, 2015 12:10:53am

re: #23 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Cite an example of a superhero movie that tells a meaningful story. For the sake of discussion, I’ll concede “The Dark Knight”.

78 Lancelot Link  May 22, 2015 12:11:23am
79 Nyet  May 22, 2015 12:51:27am

re: #78 Lancelot Link

They should come out already./

80 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 1:52:38am

Maybe someone ate the fish and the preceding wasn’t a “get off my lawn” moment at all?

53 People in 9 States Sickened After Eating Raw Tuna

nbcnews.com

Just reading or hearing the word “sushi” makes me want to retch. I probably don’t eat enough fish, but when I buy it, it’s frozen and then cooked thoroughly, usually salmon, since it can contain worms when fresh and who wants fish shipped from who knows where and has been sitting around for a lot of days since it was caught?

seafoodhealthfacts.org

Parasites become a concern when consumers eat raw or lightly preserved fish such as sashimi, sushi, ceviche, and gravlax. When preparing these products, use commercially frozen fish. Alternatively, freeze the fish to an internal temperature of -4°F for at least 7 days to kill any parasites that may be present. Home freezers are usually between 0°F and 10°F and may not be cold enough to kill the parasites.

Even if commercial freezing kills parasites, I’m still not gonna eat it raw.

81 Alyosha  May 22, 2015 2:02:06am

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

Maybe someone ate the fish and the preceding wasn’t a “get off my lawn” moment at all?

53 People in 9 States Sickened After Eating Raw Tuna

nbcnews.com

Just reading or hearing the word “sushi” makes me want to retch. I probably don’t eat enough fish, but when I buy it, it’s frozen and then cooked thoroughly, usually salmon, since it can contain worms when fresh and who wants fish shipped from who knows where and has been sitting around for a lot of days since it was caught?

seafoodhealthfacts.org

Parasites become a concern when consumers eat raw or lightly preserved fish such as sashimi, sushi, ceviche, and gravlax. When preparing these products, use commercially frozen fish. Alternatively, freeze the fish to an internal temperature of -4°F for at least 7 days to kill any parasites that may be present. Home freezers are usually between 0°F and 10°F and may not be cold enough to kill the parasites.

Even if commercial freezing kills parasites, I’m still not gonna eat it raw.

Looooove sushi. Just not fish sushi. Okay, I love ‘sushi’.

82 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 2:11:03am

Meanwhile, this kind of thing happens all the time.

Maggie Gyllenhaal, 37, Told She Was ‘Too Old’ To Play The Love Interest Of A 55-Year-Old Man

thinkprogress.org

“Anyone paying attention to the pairing of men and women in movies shouldn’t be too stunned by this still appalling information. Vulture quantified this all-too-common phenomenon two years ago, “Leading Men Age, But Their Love Interests Don’t,” charting how male stars like Denzel Washington, Harrison Ford and Johnny Depp are routinely cast opposite female love interests 20 years their junior. The opposite setup rarely occurs, unless an older woman scandalously shacking up with a younger guy is the entire point of the movie, as in Jennifer Lopez and Ryan Guzman in The Boy Next Door.

“Why is this the case? When men make most of the decisions, male fantasies — or some extremist version of cis, straight, white, male fantasies — are what get portrayed on screen. In 2013 and 2014, only 1.9 directors of the top-grossing 100 films were directed by women. So schlubby, stoner bros find love with lithe, lovely blondes, and male action heroes who still remember a time before the internet continue to seduce and score costars young enough to be their daughters.” More

83 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2015 2:22:43am

re: #18 Kragar

ICYMI from this morning:

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Is there a link to that quote? I love it.

84 Kragar  May 22, 2015 2:33:09am
85 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 2:41:49am

re: #84 Kragar

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Those people are all ethically challenged and damaged human beings.

She’d be better off never allowing him near those daughters.

It’s amazing what money and a little fame (or infamy) can do to suck people in.

I’d really hate to see the inside of those minds. They must be tortured.

86 Kragar  May 22, 2015 2:41:54am

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

Is there a link to that quote? I love it.

My brother mentioned an interview given by George Miller quoting something to that effect, but no link to an article. I did some research and couldn’t find the original, but did find a few articles here and there mentioning the same thing:

The Feral Child from “The Road Warrior”:

As for me, I grew to manhood, and in the fullness of time, I became the leader… the Chief of the Great Northern Tribe. And the Road Warrior? That was the last we ever saw of him. He lives now… only in my memories.

Nix from “Beyond Thunderdome”

Time counts and keeps countin’, and we knows now finding the trick of what’s been and lost ain’t no easy ride. But that’s our trek, we gotta’ travel it. And there ain’t nobody knows where it’s gonna’ lead. Still in all, every night we does the tell, so that we ‘member who we was and where we came from… but most of all we ‘members the man that finded us, him that came the salvage. And we lights the city, not just for him, but for all of them that are still out there. ‘Cause we knows there come a night, when they sees the distant light, and they’ll be comin’ home.

So rather than try to explain away inconsistencies with the narrative and what the timeline is with the new movie, what Miller is going with that given the Wastelanders rely on an oral tradition of history, the actual Max may or may not still be out there, but the legend of Max keeps going.

And the word is they’re already working on another film and Hardy signed a three picture deal to play Max.

87 freetoken  May 22, 2015 2:45:23am

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

Never had a problem in Japan. The key is to only buy or eat sushi from someone who knows what they are doing. Fresh salt water fish are rarely a cause of problems if the person doing the preparation follows knows what they are doing.

If someone got sick eating tuna it’s not because it came out of the ocean that way, but because it was contaminated in a preparation stage somewhere.

88 Alyosha  May 22, 2015 2:45:27am

re: #84 Kragar

She had to marry him. She was a ruined woman. They accidentally touched hands! What man would want her after that?
/

89 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 2:46:55am

re: #86 Kragar

The Tell of Captain Walker

…

90 freetoken  May 22, 2015 3:00:27am

re: #84 Kragar

I guess I don’t see that as being all that big of a deal. Plenty of people fall in love with others who have big flaws.

The biggest problem, and I think it is a big problem, is how Josh Duggar and all the Duggar followers so quickly project all their fears about themselves onto others, in this case the LGBT folk, to the point of reducing others to less (socially including legally) than others.

That we we intuitively, when it comes to the neo-prudery of the FRC/Duggars/etc., when they start a public campaign or pronounce so-and-so as “ungodly” or “un-American”, start to make fun of their latest claims. We know that someone so obsessed with sexuality have their own issues.

91 William Lewis  May 22, 2015 3:26:14am

re: #90 freetoken

I wish I could remember where, but I recall reading once that judges give harsher sentences for crimes they either fear committing or have committed themselves. This projection is similar.

92 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 3:37:52am

re: #90 freetoken

These are arranged marriages for the children. The woman is supposed to be a known quantity and subjugated to the man, just as in other cultures that practice this sort of thing. She is simply there for the man’s pleasure and to bear children.

I just can’t imagine not understanding that we are sexual beings from the womb onward, and talking to your kids about their sexuality and being open to those conversations. It’s hard, but there is plenty of material out there to help parents who don’t have a fixed mindset because of their own fears, ignorance, and inadequacies. But that happens all the time for one of the most important instincts we have but which can end up damaged for various reasons.

93 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 4:12:56am

Cab driver Anis Sardar jailed for Iraq bomb murder

A London cab driver has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 38 years for the murder of a US soldier in a roadside bombing in Iraq in 2007.

bbc.com

94 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 4:19:38am

Not nearly enough, considering what it cost consumers and the economy and the $15T in banking assets.

And this article from 2014 shows that it is probably getting worse.

The 1% May Be Richer Than You Think, Research Shows

bloomberg.com

95 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 4:38:43am

So two of my sons and their families came from New York in a big-ass RV. They will be here for the weekend which also happens to be the Jewish festival of Shavuos.

My daughters-in-law and granddaughters are preparing all the meals. There is cheesecake.

No Internets for 3 days. Fun will be had.

96 freetoken  May 22, 2015 4:54:13am

This is America, 2015:

Lawsuit claims evolution is a religion

A parent of a Jefferson County student has filed a federal lawsuit against local, state and federal education officials claiming the teaching of evolution, which he says is a religion, violates his child’s Constitutional rights.

Kenneth Smith, who is representing himself, filed the four-page federal lawsuit in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of West Virginia against the Jefferson County Board of Education, […]

“His complaint is against all Defendants, who’ve fostered the propagation of religious faith in our West Virginia public school machinery and government at large,” the May 12 lawsuit said.

Smith alleged education officials violated the U.S. Constitution because he claimed they are “propagating” a religious faith in public schools.

“Their actions during the 2014-2015 school year affects my child’s future directly through the state grading system to enter college and the ability to earn economic security and a good job in her chosen veterinarian medical field of work, by being taught a faith base [sic] (evolutionary ideology) that just doesn’t exist and has no math to back it,” Smith’s lawsuit said.

[…]

97 Decatur Deb  May 22, 2015 4:58:07am

re: #96 freetoken

“Come pray in West Virginia, where snakes are a sacrament.”

98 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 5:13:51am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It would work on those little hourglass egg timers, too.

There is one of those egg timers in the core processor of the Romneybot.
//

99 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 5:16:47am

re: #96 freetoken

Our doom.

100 freetoken  May 22, 2015 5:18:53am

I think we can conclude that the theme for the GOP Presidential nomination process is “Persecuted Christians”:

Rubio Warns of ‘Clear, Present Danger’ to Christianity

[…]

“If you think about it, we are at the water’s edge of the argument that mainstream Christian teaching is hate speech,” Rubio told CBN News. “Because today we’ve reached the point in our society where if you do not support same-sex marriage you are labeled a homophobe and a hater.”

“So what’s the next step after that?” he asked.

“After they are done going after individuals, the next step is to argue that the teachings of mainstream Christianity, the catechism of the Catholic Church is hate speech and there’s a real and present danger,” he warned.

[…]

101 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 5:20:09am

re: #95 Lord Of The Pies

So two of my sons and their families came from New York in a big-ass RV. They will be here for the weekend which also happens to be the Jewish festival of Shavuos.

My daughters-in-law and granddaughters are preparing all the meals. There is cheesecake.

No Internets for 3 days. Fun will be had.

I hope my order from B&H gets out the door before they close for Shavuos. They nicely had an announcement about the changed hours on their website.
:)

102 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 5:21:03am

re: #100 freetoken

Well, it is, used as the right wing uses it and attempts to place their values on the rest of us.

103 freetoken  May 22, 2015 5:21:27am

Again:

Ted Cruz Courts Conservative Pastors at Private Gathering

[…]

“The modern Democratic Party has become so radical, so extreme, that they have determined that their devotion to mandatory gay marriage in all 50 states trumps any allegiance to religious liberty under the First Amendment,” Cruz told the ballroom. “We’ve got an obligation, as this conference recognizes, to be watchmen on the wall.”

The Watchmen on the Wall briefing is sponsored by the Family Research Council to connect pastors with policy and legislation. The group has more than doubled in size since the last year—there are now more the 38,000 Watchmen pastors in the U.S., up from 16,000 in 2014, according to the Family Research Council. Last year, the group told TIME it wanted to grow the Watchmen to 40,000 pastors by 2015 in advance of the 2016 election.

[…]

In his remarks, Ted Cruz portrayed religion in America as under “assault” and referenced “heartbreaking” religious freedom battles in Indiana and Arkansas, where state lawmakers backed down from laws that critics said would allow discrimination against gays and lesbians.

[…]

“under assault” …

104 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 5:22:11am

re: #96 freetoken

This is bound to be thrown out, but in case the DC decides to hear the case, he’s bound to lose. The county BOE can bring in a stream of scientists to testify against the complainant’s interpretation of “evolution as myth.” Plus, they can point to the existing case law (Kitzmiller v. Dover, f’r’instance) that supports evolution as science and creationism/ID as not science.

He may get some unintended consequences.

105 freetoken  May 22, 2015 5:23:38am

From that last story:

“Cruz took the stage after Wayne Grudem, a theology professor at the evangelical Phoenix Seminary known for his teachings that men have spiritual leadership over women. Grudem compared Family Research Council president Tony Perkins to Martin Luther King Jr., saying Perkins is a modern day King for standing up for Christian beliefs against the government. Earlier in the morning, the Family Research Council’s vice president of church ministries, Kenyn Cureton, spoke against gay marriage and led the crowd in a rousing chant of “I am a soldier of the cross. Here I stand!” “

106 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 5:24:05am

re: #96 freetoken

I was on a conference call last night where the subject got onto religious references in a document we were reviewing and the writer of said document referred to atheism as a religion. I refrained from getting into it right then and there, but that statement does color how I am going to view things the man in question says and writes in the future.

The discussion does make me wonder whether the man is blurring the distinction between “atheist” and “secular”. Could also be a somewhat emotional reaction to getting a document he wrote and probably felt strongly about getting butchered a bit by a committee.

107 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 5:24:43am

re: #104 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s what happens when you try to substitute “beliefs” for facts.

I can “believe” that trees are really blue all day long, but that doesn’t make it so.

108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 5:24:54am

re: #100 freetoken

I think we can conclude that the theme for the GOP Presidential nomination process is “Persecuted Christians”:

Rubio Warns of ‘Clear, Present Danger’ to Christianity

“Mainstream Christianity” has already weighed in on SSM, and most of the major sects have moved on. It’s only the conservative/evangelical churches, and the RCC that are clinging to the traditional man-woman marriage formula. And those are not mainstream, yo. CORRECTION: The RCC is mainstream, but judging from the current Pope’s comments, it may soften its opposition to SSM.

109 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 5:26:24am

Good morning Lizards from sunny Philadelphia. Nice day after yesterday’s clouds and light rain. Looking like a good weekend coming up as well.

Since I am not traveling I guess I can do walks, take pictures, and generally try to catch up on a few things.

110 freetoken  May 22, 2015 5:27:47am

GOP is at Je$u$ Land this weekend:

Southern Republican Leadership Conference kicks off with big names, big crowds

“We’re going to win this election,” said an emphatic Sen. Rick Santorum to a crowd of hundreds inside Cox Convention Center on Thursday.

The expected 2,000 visitors came courtesy of the Southern Republican Leadership Conference. The event already is being called the first big test for Republicans pursuing Presidential hopes.

“I’m a Republican,” smiled Starlyn Arens. “I’m a Christian first, and that’s why I became a Republican.”

[…]

111 Nyet  May 22, 2015 5:28:40am

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Mainstream Christianity” has already weighed in on SSM, and most of the major sects have moved on. It’s only the conservative/evangelical churches, and the RCC that are clinging to the traditional man-woman marriage formula. And those are not mainstream, yo.

RCC is not mainstream? :D

Sorry, but judging by the numbers of YECs in the US hardline Christianity is mainstream.

112 Nyet  May 22, 2015 5:32:12am

re: #100 freetoken

What an idiot. You’re free to believe that “real” marriage is between a man and a woman, you’re not necessarily bigoted because of that. But you can’t dictate the norms of secular marriage based on your religious hang-ups.

113 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 5:32:39am
114 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 5:37:27am

re: #111 Nyet

RCC is not mainstream? :D

Sorry, but judging by the numbers of YECs in the US hardline Christianity is mainstream.

I corrected the comment. Refresh to see the revised version.

The problem with the more liberal branches of Christianity is the very trait that the conservative churches criticize them for — their “lukewarm-ness.” Some are pushing back against the fundies, but in a rather off-handed way.

115 Nyet  May 22, 2015 5:38:28am

Chechnya’s “human rights commissioner” has come out for polygyny, citing the example of the US (SSM):

meduza.io

116 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 5:39:07am

re: #101 Feline Fearless Leader

I hope my order from B&H gets out the door before they close for Shavuos. They nicely had an announcement about the changed hours on their website.
:)

B&H paid for my daughter’s birth control when she worked there.

117 Nyet  May 22, 2015 5:39:46am

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Thanks for the RCC correction. I also continue to think that - very unfortunately - fundamentalist Christianity is also mainstream. How can it not be, when 4 out of 10 Americans believe in recent creation?

118 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 5:40:59am

re: #110 freetoken

Starlyn Arens
119 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 5:43:01am

So Trump calls America a “hell hole”. Imagine the outrage from the librul media if a Democrat said this.

120 Nyet  May 22, 2015 5:45:06am

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Wow.

121 Nyet  May 22, 2015 5:45:42am

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Well, you know their response to that: “Well then, don’t let the door hit you on the way out!”.

122 Nyet  May 22, 2015 5:46:42am

re: #115 Nyet

Chechnya’s “human rights commissioner” has come out for polygyny, citing the example of the US (SSM):

meduza.io

But Putin is still a defender of blah blah blah

123 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 5:47:50am

re: #119 Dr. Matt

So Trump calls America a “hell hole”. Imagine the outrage from librul media if a Democrat said this.

But it’s only a hell hole where Democrats and minorities have political influence. Or fail to properly subsidize The Donald’s real estate ventures.
//

124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 5:48:28am

re: #117 Nyet

Thanks for the RCC correction. I also continue to think that - very unfortunately - fundamentalist Christianity is also mainstream. How can it not be, when 4 out of 10 Americans believe in recent creation?

I’m willing to separate the Creationism from the SSM issue, because one does not preclude the other. By that I mean younger fundies don’t seem as livid about LGBT rights and SSM as their parents or pastors, but because of poor education may still believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

The polls about recent creation are worrisome, though, because it shows the RR have managed to sway public opinion toward this mythical idea. And their aggressive responses to decent science education deters teachers and schools from trying to teach evolution and the Big Bang. They’ve managed to grab the reins of local public education and they are largely in control of public debate on evolution. To make matters worse, few if any politicians - Republican or Democrat — are willing to come out and say categorically that YEC is a lot of baloney. You can imagine the response if someone did.

125 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 5:52:31am

re: #121 Nyet

Well, you know their response to that: “Well then, don’t let the door hit you on the way out!”.

Something like this?!! :)

126 Nyet  May 22, 2015 5:52:59am

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The point about individual members is relevant (even if those are more of exceptions than the rule), but it’s also relevant when it comes to RCC - millions of Catholics support SSM (and reproductive rights). When we speak about organizations though, on the official level, the level of teaching and credos, the opposition remains strong. It will change with time, for the better I think. But it hasn’t yet.

127 Nyet  May 22, 2015 5:53:40am

re: #125 Dr. Matt

Always nice to be able to throw it back at them ;)

128 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 5:54:37am

re: #122 Nyet

How does that help women and SSM? Pretty regressive.

129 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 5:58:41am

French court backs restrictions on unlicensed taxi services; decision could lead to ruling against Uber’s legality - @FRANCE24

france24.com

130 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 5:58:59am

re: #126 Nyet

The point about individual members is relevant (even if those are more of exceptions than the rule), but it’s also relevant when it comes to RCC - millions of Catholics support SSM (and reproductive rights). When we speak about organizations though, on the official level, the level of teaching and credos, the opposition remains strong. It will change with time, for the better I think. But it hasn’t yet.

I’m not Catholic, but I guess you could say I’m sympathetic to it. Pope Francis may be steering the Church toward a more tolerant future, however gently. There are many hardliners in the RCC (Opus Dei being an extreme example) who would fight Church acceptance of SSM tooth and nail, but there were plenty who resisted dropping the Latin Mass. Now, Latin Mass is a rarity, almost a throwback, and the vernacular Mass has enabled the Church to spread more easily across the world.

Besides, from my POV, any bishop who complains about SSM being a sin should also have complained about priests buggering kids and shut that kind of behavior down. SSM is between consenting adults. Pederasty is not.

131 Nyet  May 22, 2015 6:00:11am

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

How does that help women and SSM? Pretty regressive.

The background is that recent scandal when a 17 y.o. schoolgirl was forced to marry an old police official in Chechnya, who also apparently had had a wife (though not an official one).

This shameful spectacle showed once again that Putin will turn the blind eye on anything Kadyrov does. This statement by Kadyrov’s flunky is yet another step in that direction.

132 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:02:01am

9 Times Josh Duggar Lectured People On Family Values Before He Admitted He Was A Child Molester

thinkprogress.org

Hypocritical, sanctimonious asshole.

133 Nyet  May 22, 2015 6:03:06am

And of course, that guy appeals to religious freedom. Acc. to his logic, since the Koran says you can have up to 4 wives, then it’s also your constitutional right. *smh*

Crazies everywhere.

134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 6:03:51am

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

9 Times Josh Duggar Lectured People On Family Values Before He Admitted He Was A Child Molester

thinkprogress.org

Hypocritical, sanctimonious asshole.

Do as I say, not as I do/did.

Is the Duggar girl who recently got married younger than Josh? I wonder if he fondled her, too.

135 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 6:05:02am

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

9 Times Josh Duggar Lectured People On Family Values Before He Admitted He Was A Child Molester

thinkprogress.org

Hypocritical, sanctimonious asshole.

The wingnut Twitter collective has received its Talking Points for the Josh Duggar topic:

HURR HURR LENA DUNHAM!!!1!!!
HURR HURR BILL CLINTON JEFFREY EPSTEIN PORN ISLAND!!!!!!
HURR HURR OBAMA PICTURE TAKEN WITH SOME GUY LATER FOUND TO BE PERV!!!!!!!
HURR HURR TOO KWO KWAY!!!!!!

136 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:05:12am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s the oldest of all the kids.

137 Nyet  May 22, 2015 6:05:16am

Not that I have anything against polygamy, as long as it is consensual and is open for everyone. But that’s not something he has in mind.

138 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 6:06:37am

There are some “people” actually defending the child molester/Josh Duggar claiming is was “just a 14 year old” and libtards are just trying to destroy this family. Disgusting

139 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 6:07:15am

re: #136 Justanotherhuman

He’s the oldest of all the kids.

Yeah, I just checked Wikipedia. He was born in ‘88 and Jessa 4 years later.

140 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 6:07:47am
141 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:07:49am

re: #137 Nyet

Polygamy encourages overpopulation and undervalues a woman’s self-worth.

142 Nyet  May 22, 2015 6:09:11am

re: #141 Justanotherhuman

Polygamy encourages overpopulation and undervalues a woman’s self-worth.

Polygamy can also be one woman and five men. Or three women and two men. Etc. As long as it’s between consenting adults and as long as everybody has equal rights, it’s none of my concern.

143 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 6:09:44am

re: #138 Dr. Matt

There are some “people” actually defending the child molester/Josh Duggar claiming is was “just a 14 year old” and libtards are just trying to destroy this family. Disgusting

The same kind of people dismiss high school football players’ rape of teenage girls as “boyish behavior” and nothing serious.

144 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 6:12:34am

re: #142 Nyet

Polygamy can also be one woman and five men. Or three women and two men. Etc. As long as it’s between consenting adults and as long as everybody has equal rights, it’s none of my concern.

But these types of groupings are rare. In almost all instances of multiple marriage it’s one man & many women.

145 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 6:12:46am

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

9 Times Josh Duggar Lectured People On Family Values Before He Admitted He Was A Child Molester

thinkprogress.org

Hypocritical, sanctimonious asshole.

But you know that God had already forgiven him, so he was simply one who had been given grace telling others to avoid the temptations of secular and Democratic thought.
/////

146 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 6:13:05am

re: #143 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

This is disgusting:

147 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 6:13:33am

re: #138 Dr. Matt

There are some “people” actually defending the child molester/Josh Duggar claiming is was “just a 14 year old” and libtards are just trying to destroy this family. Disgusting

Not like he was sitting in a park playing with a BB gun.
///

148 Great White Snark  May 22, 2015 6:14:34am

Ooopsie…

Clinton Foundation didn’t disclose as much as $26M in speaking fees

Underpaid accountants?

149 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 6:14:56am

re: #143 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The same kind of people dismiss high school football players’ rape of teenage girls as “boyish behavior” and nothing serious.

It’s just property damage similar to minor vandalism. Slap on the wrist, pay a couple of sheep as a fine, and carry on with life.
////

150 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 6:15:09am

Here’s another wingnut talking point

HURR HURR ISLAM!!!!!!

151 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:15:15am

re: #142 Nyet

Polygamy can also be one woman and five men. Or three women and two men. Etc. As long as it’s between consenting adults and as long as everybody has equal rights, it’s none of my concern.

Polyandry is where a woman has more than 1 husband or lover. It’s believed to be practiced now only in the Himalayas, where there are scarce resources, as usually was the case in previous cultures.

Polygyny is more widespread in a variety of cultures. For obvious reasons.

152 Nyet  May 22, 2015 6:16:03am

re: #144 Lord Of The Pies

But these types of groupings are rare. In almost all instances of multiple marriage it’s one man & many women.

I don’t really have stats on that. Just because we see a couple of Mormon fundie families in the news doesn’t mean that such groupings are objectively more frequent. Two men and a woman living in NYC as a family are just less likely to draw attention. But that doesn’t matter either. Consenting adults? No abuse? Do what thou wilt.

153 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 6:16:08am

It’s a teenage wasteland if you smoke week at The Who shows. Roger’s voice has been quite sensitive the past few years, so they make a point to call out those who smoke at the shows because he’s had to cancel shows due to voice issues before.

Hopefully, he’ll be good to go next week. :)

154 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 6:16:29am

re: #148 Great White Snark

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155 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 6:17:03am

re: #146 Dr. Matt

This is disgusting:

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Yes, how “sad” it is, that an asshole whose entire schtick was scaring people about LGBT as being sexual deviants…turning out to be a sexual deviant whose past got covered up by his family and a sheriff who’s now doing time for being (wait for it) a sexual deviant.

156 Nyet  May 22, 2015 6:17:16am

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

That’s why I said “polygamy”. Which includes polyandry, polygyny, and everything else in between.

157 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 6:17:30am

re: #146 Dr. Matt

This is disgusting:

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They’re choosing to ignore the possibility that this kind of behavior, left unchecked, can become a lifelong habit. Would they entrust their daughter to Josh Duggar’s care? Would they let her stay at his home, or travel with him? I sure wouldn’t, and my daughter is two years older than he is.

158 Great White Snark  May 22, 2015 6:17:55am

re: #154 Dr. Matt

Hm. Thanks!
cnn.com
Well then.

Former President Clinton was the biggest earner for speeches, giving three that brought in anywhere from $500,000 to $1 million.

Both he and his wife gave a smattering of speeches to foreign companies and other organizations for anywhere from $250,000 to $500,000. Bill Clinton spoke to Thailand’s Ministry of Energy, China Real Estate Development Group, Ltd, and Qatar First Investment Bank; Hillary Clinton spoke to Goldman Sachs, Citibank and JP Morgan Chase, among others.

According to foundation officials, the income — at least $12 million and as much as more than twice that — was not disclosed publicly because it was considered and tallied for tax purposes as revenue, rather than donations.

In April, the head of a Canadian charity that donates to the foundation acknowledged that it didn’t disclose any of the 1,100 largely foreign donors that ultimately contributed $2.35 million to the broader organization through the Canadian group.

159 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 6:18:13am

re: #140 Lord Of The Pies

160 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 6:20:06am

re: #158 Great White Snark

Hm.
cnn.com
Well then.

So they marked speaking fees down as revenue rather than donations…I’m a bit lost as to how this is a shocking revelation.

161 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:20:27am

re: #156 Nyet

Common usage of “polygamy” has come to mean 1 man and an unlimited number of women, however. Most people don’t break it down, since 1 woman, several men is so rare.

For obvious reasons.

162 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 22, 2015 6:21:35am

re: #149 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s just property damage similar to minor vandalism. Slap on the wrist, pay a couple of sheep as a fine, and carry on with life.
////

When the story broke I thought, “Good thing for him that he only molested females. If he’d been a Duggar buggerer they’d be calling for his execution.”

163 Nyet  May 22, 2015 6:22:16am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Common usage of “polygamy” has come to mean 1 man and an unlimited number of women, however. Most people don’t break it down, since 1 woman, several men is so rare.

For obvious reasons.

I’m using the word properly, not “commonly”.

164 freetoken  May 22, 2015 6:23:20am

re: #148 Great White Snark

As much as truly dislike the current GOP scene, and am convinced our society has to move its political process beyond the current framework that is stuck in 19th century-think, I will have a real hard time voting for Hillary if she is the Dem nominee.

The Clintons come with too much baggage. Ok, so all humans have “baggage” (even if some, like the Duggars, are in denial). Still, why push someone with too much history. And that is the Clintons. Good or bad, true or conjured up in the dark basements of conspiracy nuts, there is just too much to have to deal with when one is dealing with the Clintons.

To put it in contemporary terms, the “brand” is tarnished.

Now some of you will want to point out some of those polls which show Hillary leading so-and-so GOP candidate. My question is why do you think that is so? Could it be that Hillary is one of the very few Democrats who is universally known to the American public? This is the problem that the Democratic party has had for some time - not creating enough platforms for national exposure of locally-known and promising Democrats.

165 Great White Snark  May 22, 2015 6:23:35am

re: #160 Targetpractice

Who said shocking? That’s why I included the paragraph the best explains the problem.

166 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:24:05am

re: #162 Higgs Boson’s Mate

How do we know he didn’t? These incidents are 12-13 yrs old and weren’t really discovered until 2006 by the outside and even then, kept very quiet.

167 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:25:29am

Well, we’re now in a world where “lulz” is accepted as a “proper word” for Scrabble.

168 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 6:25:50am

re: #165 Great White Snark

Who said shocking?

I sort of imagined there was a point to bringing up this news.

169 Nyet  May 22, 2015 6:26:47am

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

Well, we’re now in a world where “lulz” is accepted as a “proper word” for Scrabble.

“Lulz” as a word is as proper as “polygamy” as a synonym for “polygyny”. I.e. not at all.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 6:27:15am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Common usage of “polygamy” has come to mean 1 man and an unlimited number of women, however. Most people don’t break it down, since 1 woman, several men is so rare.

For obvious reasons.

Rare as an officially sanctioned relationship.

171 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:28:34am

re: #164 freetoken

So, what you’re saying is that voters just simply have a Hobson’s Choice when it comes to our representative style govt? In a country of this size, with this much population in the 21st century, maybe that is all that’s left.

172 Great White Snark  May 22, 2015 6:30:11am

re: #168 Targetpractice

I sort of imagined there was a point to bringing up this news.

Yes, there is. And there is plenty of room between ignoring it and pretending it’s the end of days for bringing it up.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 6:31:22am

re: #171 Justanotherhuman

So, what you’re saying is that voters just simply have a Hobson’s Choice when it comes to our representative style govt? In a country of this size, with this much population in the 21st century, maybe that is all that’s left.

One of the major side effects of a two-party system. It’s one of the trade-offs for not having a system with a myriad of minor parties and mandatory coalition governments that can give small voting groups influence far vaster than their actual size or number of representatives.

Oh wait. O_O

174 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 6:31:49am

re: #172 Great White Snark

Yes, there is. And there is plenty of room between ignoring it and pretending it’s the end of days for bringing it up.

I know this. Hence my inquiry.

175 Eventual Carrion  May 22, 2015 6:33:09am

re: #96 freetoken

This is America, 2015:

Lawsuit claims evolution is a religion

The water cycle is my communion.

176 Great White Snark  May 22, 2015 6:34:10am

re: #174 Targetpractice

I’m skeptical of her as a good candidate, not a mindless critic. Those do abound. A dearth of good candidates made this circumstance. Hope ya noticed my Page yesterday very critical of Jeb. :-)

177 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 6:35:41am

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

One of the major side effects of a two-party system. It’s one of the trade-offs for not having a system with a myriad of minor parties and mandatory coalition governments that can give small voting groups influence far vaster than their actual size or number of representatives.

Oh wait. O_O

I see so many complaints about our two-party system and how it seems to offer no choice, then I look to parliamentary systems that are presently basketcases because either all the political power has concentrated into two major parties or the coalition governments constructed are basically being held together with bailing wire and chewing gum.

178 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 22, 2015 6:36:52am

re: #175 Eventual Carrion

The water cycle is my communion.

Fromthe article:

Kenneth Smith, who is representing himself…

He has a fool for his client.

179 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 6:38:16am

re: #177 Targetpractice

I see so many complaints about our two-party system and how it seems to offer no choice, then I look to parliamentary systems that are presently basketcases because either all the political power has concentrated into two major parties or the coalition governments constructed are basically being held together with bailing wire and chewing gum.

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”
- Winston Churchill

All the forms have their assets and drawbacks. Any tweak might solve some issue, but it will then bring in some new complication or problem.

180 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 6:39:23am

re: #176 Great White Snark

I’m skeptical of her as a good candidate, not a mindless critic. Those do abound. A dearth of good candidates made this circumstance. Hope ya noticed my Page yesterday very critical of Jeb. :-)

I think we had this discussion the other day about money in politics, it’s something you’re gonna find is a problem no matter how “good” a candidate is. I don’t imagine even Bernie Sanders, professed socialist, is going to turn his nose up at all the big name donors.

And no, I didn’t read the page, but I’m already convinced you’re not a closeted Republican sniping at Mrs. Clinton.

181 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:39:28am

re: #170 Feline Fearless Leader

For example, polyandry in the Himalayan mountains is related to the scarcity of land; the marriage of all brothers in a family to the same wife allows family land to remain intact and undivided. If every brother married separately and had children, family land would be split into unsustainable small plots. In Europe, this was prevented through the social practice of impartible inheritance (i.e. disinheriting most siblings, many of whom then became celibate monks and priests).

en.wikipedia.org

All forms of polygamy are, for the most part, primitive economic and social constructs, IMHO. The two-person marriage, or relationship, evolved in a changing world, although with technological changes and more leisure time, it very well could change again, but with a exponentially increasing world population, polyandry would seem to be more feasible, to preserve resources.

182 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 6:40:58am

re: #178 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Fromthe article:

He has a fool for his client.

Oh, I missed that tidbit.

Yeah, he’s suing in federal district court. The judge will either throw out the complaint, or advise him to find a real lawyer qualified to argue in DC.

There’s always Orly Taitz. /

183 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 6:41:40am

I will be using the zombie girl table flip gif A LOT today.

184 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 6:44:07am

re: #183 Lord Of The Pies

When do teh gays have a “NAMBLA agenda”? In contrast, you have the Duggar family that breeds children every 11 months and there is a police record that at least one of them is a child molester. Teh Math is Hard.

185 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 6:45:19am

re: #184 Dr. Matt

When do teh gays have a “NAMBLA agenda”? In contrast, you have the Duggar family that breeds children every 11 months and there is a police record that at least one of them is a child molester. Teh Math is Hard.

Most NAMBLA types do not self-identify as gay, AFAIK.

186 William Lewis  May 22, 2015 6:46:00am

re: #175 Eventual Carrion

The water cycle is my communion.

I like to think of mine as the “Wine Cycle”. Rain falls, vine grows, grape pressed, juice ferments, wine rented, rent paid, water goes through waste treatmemt to the lake to evaporate & start again :D.

187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 6:47:30am

re: #186 William Lewis

I like to think of mine as the “Wine Cycle”. Rain falls, vine grows, grape pressed, juice ferments, wine rented, rent paid, water goes through waste treatmemt to the lake to evaporate & start again :D.

Global warming might disrupt the Wine Cycle. This would be a major catastrophe on a Biblical scale.

188 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 6:47:49am

re: #181 Justanotherhuman

For example, polyandry in the Himalayan mountains is related to the scarcity of land; the marriage of all brothers in a family to the same wife allows family land to remain intact and undivided. If every brother married separately and had children, family land would be split into unsustainable small plots. In Europe, this was prevented through the social practice of impartible inheritance (i.e. disinheriting most siblings, many of whom then became celibate monks and priests).

en.wikipedia.org

All forms of polygamy are, for the most part, primitive economic and social constructs, IMHO. The two-person marriage, or relationship, evolved in a changing world, although with technological changes and more leisure time, it very well could change again, but with a exponentially increasing world population, polyandry would seem to be more feasible, to preserve resources.

You can also see the monied classes in Europe in the earlier centuries tolerating more varied relationships unofficially. The women involved, of course, had a lower social status. Probably part of this is that marriages in that time period were often formatted around alliances, property, offspring etc. and thus the emotional attachments may not form. Leaving the male free to make arrangements for that elsewhere.

en.wikipedia.org

189 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 6:49:58am

re: #185 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

NAMBLA is just your basic pederasts.

190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 6:59:29am

re: #189 Justanotherhuman

NAMBLA is just your basic pederasts.

Right, guys who don’t think of themselves as gay because being gay is icky. /

191 wrenchwench  May 22, 2015 6:59:58am
192 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 7:00:55am

So I updated Firefox like it wanted to, and now FF won’t open half the pages I want it to.

Something is wrong with this equation.

193 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:05:04am

re: #191 wrenchwench

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Baby elephants are typically 200 lbs at birth. That looks like an elephant fetus.

194 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:06:54am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Allen Ginsberg was a member. And anti-feminist Camille Paglia actually defended NAMBLA because the gay community banned them from marches and demos.

195 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 7:07:01am

re: #193 Lord Of The Pies

Baby elephants are typically 200 lbs at birth.

I bet mother elephants are really glad to get that load off their feet.

196 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 7:07:05am

re: #192 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So I updated Firefox like it wanted to, and now FF won’t open half the pages I want it to.

Something is wrong with this equation.

Solution: Switch to Chrome.

197 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 7:07:54am

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Solution: Switch to Chrome.

I’m using Opera now for most things. Chrome is becoming bloatware, too.

198 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 7:08:47am

If/when TLC finally does the right thing and cancels the Duggars, it’s going to be interesting to see if they right-wing vehemently defends them like they did with the Duck Dynasty dicks.

199 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 22, 2015 7:11:52am

re: #198 Dr. Matt

If/when TLC finally does the right thing and cancels the Duggars, it’s going to be interesting to see if they right-wing vehemently defends them like they did with the Duck Dynasty dicks.

You mean that Dick Dynasty should go the way of Duck Dynasty?

200 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 7:12:24am
201 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:14:03am

re: #200 Dr. Matt

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I am sure that Bryan will come up with a defense for Josh.

202 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:14:41am

I am so sick of hearing about these dumb Duggars.

Why doesn’t TLC make a reality show about my family? Call it PIE DYNASTY.

203 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 7:17:26am

re: #202 Lord Of The Pies

I am so sick of hearing about these dumb Duggars.

Why doesn’t TLC make a reality show about my family? Call it PIE DYNASTY.

With an international cast! :)

204 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 7:17:34am

re: #202 Lord Of The Pies

I am so sick of hearing about these dumb Duggars.

Why doesn’t TLC make a reality show about my family? Call it PIE DYNASTY.

PIE Dynasty in the Post-Industrial, Sharia-controlled Detroit. Michigan, hellhole
//

Too long?

205 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:23:56am

re: #203 makeitstop

With an international cast! :)

International crust!

206 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:27:43am

re: #205 Lord Of The Pies

You get a vacation from making pies this weekend? : )

207 freetoken  May 22, 2015 7:28:29am

re: #202 Lord Of The Pies

Why doesn’t TLC make a reality show about my family? Call it PIE DYNASTY.

You’re too normal. “Reality” TV seeks out freaks.

In other words, reality TV is what happened to the traveling carnival.

208 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:30:18am

Look at this beauty!

Triple Berry Pie
209 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:31:26am

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

You get a vacation from making pies this weekend? : )

My daughters-in-law & granddaughters are doing the cooking.

My DIL (the Vegan) already baked 2 cakes and a cheesecake! (a real cheesecake not a vegan one)

210 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:31:46am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

Look at this beauty!

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OMG THAT IS EXQUISITE!

211 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:33:32am

re: #210 Lord Of The Pies

The recipe! And how-to.

instructables.com

212 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 7:33:34am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

Look at this beauty!

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Almost looks too good to eat.

Almost.

213 Nyet  May 22, 2015 7:33:47am

I learned about the Duggars only yesterday and have already had enough of them. Their only claim to fame is uncontrolled breeding.

214 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 7:34:02am

re: #210 Lord Of The Pies

OMG THAT IS EXQUISITE!

Almost too pretty to eat.

Almost.

215 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 7:34:29am

re: #212 makeitstop

Damn. Beat me to it!

216 freetoken  May 22, 2015 7:35:14am

re: #213 Nyet

I learned about the Duggars only yesterday and have already had enough of them. Their only claim to fame is uncontrolled breeding.

… in Je$u$ name, though. They are growing the Kingdom the old fashioned way - sex!

217 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:35:56am

I just wish I could decorate cakes like this:

218 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 7:37:37am

News outlets are making it sound like he admits that he did something wrong and willingly stepped down all of his own accord.

Duggar did no such thing. If that InTouch story never ran, he’d still be out there castigating anyone who didn’t adhere to their right wing religious fundamentalist worldview, hating on gays, and blaming liberals for all manner of social ills, all while Josh continued to hide the secret that he molested his sisters and others (and that the cop who investigated the case was himself later convicted on child porn charges). There was no altruism in his coming forward with these details.

The question really needs to be who else knew or had reason to know, and when did they know it.

Apparently Oprah did some digging after an anonymous tip led them to think something was up with the Duggars, canceling the appearance. In fact, Oprah called the child abuse hotline.

Yet, there are still people who are trying to excuse the Duggar’s crimes and coverup by pointing to Lena Dunham, when the ages of those involved are different, and the Duggar’s parents willingly covered up the criminality for years.

219 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:39:55am

re: #218 lawhawk

I’d like to know how Daddy Dearest actually knew the child porn cop who talked to Josh? Did he give him pointers?

Good friend of Daddy Dearest?

220 danarchy  May 22, 2015 7:40:43am

re: #217 Justanotherhuman

I just wish I could decorate cakes like this:

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too much fondant…fondant is gross

221 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:41:29am

re: #220 danarchy

too much fondant…fondant is gross

That looks more like a centerpiece than an actual cake to eat.

222 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:41:36am

re: #220 danarchy

too much fondant…fondant is gross

I don’t think I’d even want to eat it. Just look at it. : )

223 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:41:56am

That is why pie > cake

224 Romantic Heretic  May 22, 2015 7:42:12am

re: #179 Feline Fearless Leader

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”
- Winston Churchill

All the forms have their assets and drawbacks. Any tweak might solve some issue, but it will then bring in some new complication or problem.

My opinion is that all political systems are tools created by humans for specific purposes.

It’s a poor workman who blames his tools.

225 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:42:33am

re: #223 Lord Of The Pies

And why my cakes aren’t decorated. : )

226 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:44:08am
227 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:45:32am

So unless a jury returns a guilty verdict for a murder, the victim is not really dead?

228 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:46:05am

re: #226 Lord Of The Pies

That makes me want to do something I can’t say here.

Even though I have too much self-control to actually descend to his level anyway.

229 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 7:47:10am

Just missed seeing them in action. Oh well.

230 Belafon  May 22, 2015 7:49:07am

re: #183 Lord Of The Pies

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I will be using the zombie girl table flip gif A LOT today.

That’s Muscle Man from Regular Show.

231 Nyet  May 22, 2015 7:49:11am

re: #226 Lord Of The Pies

So abortion is not murder and OJ is innocent? Nice to know ;)

232 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2015 7:51:13am

Flame shooting guitars and lizard controversy has me intrigued, now I must see it. On a side note, I’ve watched the movie Man Of Steel a couple times and now rate it my fave Superman movie.

233 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 7:52:08am
My opinion is that all political systems are tools created by humans for specific purposes.

It’s a poor workman who blames his tools.

Government is one of the solutions when the group outgrows simple societal controls, or needs to deal with a crisis or challenge that outstrips effective control by one or a small group of individuals.

234 ObserverArt  May 22, 2015 7:52:15am

Hey all. Just wanted to stop in and say hi!

I am in the process of starting to (finally) stain my staircase in this old house. Lots of detail and surface when you add it all up, so It’s going to take me some time to get it right. I’m thinking this will be an all weekend deal. Considering I’ve been stripping, sanding and puttying since late last year (off and on as tired fingers and hands allowed), this will be the good time.

So, I see upthread The Donald called America a “hell hole” these days. He should know, it is all the assholes like him that help make it this way.

And also upthread, what was that back ‘n’ forth over fantasy movies liked or disliked. To a degree I understand what negativ was saying about super hero and fantasy movies, but I sure would not have said it such a negative way to the people that like ‘em.

All movies are a form of escapism. For some reason, there are a lot of movies made these days that have more fantasy based themes rather than based in everyday modern realities.

Who knows, maybe there is a reason that people don’t want movies too real as everyday reality may be too real enough. So, you can put the message in something set in a far past time or a future time and get the same point across. Maybe escapism is very much needed these days where when I was younger we may have been more into wanting to battle the real.

I am not a big fan of a lot of newer movies, just like I am not a gamer. I did some computer racing simulations and liked that, but time to try to do other things needed turned me away from all that. Big deal, that’s me. I’m sure not going to say others shouldn’t enjoy what they enjoy. Times and tastes change. Welcome to earth.

And with that…going to go wash my car, do some shopping, house cleaning…and staining. Have a good day/weekend/holiday. In and out all weekend.

Oh yeah…more emails from Ricky Santorum have hit my mailbox. What a putz. Also, I have a feeling all the debate about the debates is going to draw John Kasich to speed up his decision. I bet he gets in, his ego needs it.

235 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 7:53:06am

re: #226 Lord Of The Pies

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Someone else who misses the fact that legality and justice are not one and the same. Not to mention the basics of decent behavior.
/

236 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:53:15am

Ireland, voting today.

instagram.com

237 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:53:49am

WORST. ANTI-SEMITE. EVER.

238 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2015 7:54:10am

I am very glad I cut the cord years ago. Between cable news and reality crap I was feeling like a real sucker. Why can’t MTV have music lessons and historic programming,etc. ? TV is a sewer where once and a while a shiny turd will float by.

239 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 22, 2015 7:55:07am

re: #233 Feline Fearless Leader

Government is one of the solutions when the group outgrows simple societal controls, or needs to deal with a crisis or challenge that outstrips effective control by one or a small group of individuals.

If we could all live on our own 40 acres of land that we carved out of the pristine wilderness by the sweat of our brows, then we could live the government-less Jeffersonian fantasy that lies at the root of libertarianism and Randism.

But it was fantasy even in Jefferson’s time.

240 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:56:56am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If we could all live on our own 40 acres of land that we carved out of the pristine wilderness by the sweat of our brows, then we could live the government-less Jeffersonian fantasy that lies at the root of libertarianism and Randism.

But it was fantasy even in Jefferson’s time.

In order to achieve that fantasy they needed slaves.

241 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 7:57:42am

re: #214 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Almost too pretty to eat.

Almost.

Hey!! Stops copies me!

re: #212 makeitstop

242 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2015 7:57:53am

re: #238 Amory Blaine

I am very glad I cut the cord years ago. Between cable news and reality crap I was feeling like a real sucker. Why can’t MTV have music lessons and historic programming,etc. ? TV is a sewer where once and a while a shiny turd will float by.

Does the History Channel still show programming related to history? Or is all just ancient aliens now? The Erich von Däniken network, in other words.

243 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 7:57:59am

re: #238 Amory Blaine

Yeah, think I’ll let cable go, too. Grandson wanted it but usually we do Netflix and he games, I use the computer.

There’s no need for cable.

244 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 7:58:20am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

Does the History Channel still show programming related to history? Or is all just ancient aliens now? The Erich von Däniken network, in other words.

With Moar Hitler from Outer Space!

245 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 22, 2015 7:58:56am

re: #240 Lord Of The Pies

In order to achieve that fantasy they needed slaves.

And they needed a government to clear out the previous inhabitants of the wilderness.

246 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2015 7:59:14am

re: #244 Lord Of The Pies

With Moar Hitler from Outer Space!

Ahh…………they’re showing Iron Sky as a documentary now?

:D

247 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 7:59:38am

re: #219 Justanotherhuman

I’d like to know how Daddy Dearest actually knew the child porn cop who talked to Josh? Did he give him pointers?

Good friend of Daddy Dearest?

Yeah, I think the deeper someone will dig on this story, the uglier it will get.

248 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 22, 2015 7:59:44am

re: #243 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, think I’ll let cable go, too. Grandson wanted it but usually we do Netflix and he games, I use the computer.

There’s no need for cable.

I have not been connected to an antenna or TV cable for years, I get by on CD’s, Netflix and Internet

249 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 8:00:29am

I pay a lot of money to watch local news and flip around looking for something worthwhile to watch (nothing much, if at all, most days).

250 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 8:01:31am

re: #240 Lord Of The Pies

In order to achieve that fantasy they needed slaves.

And someone to trade agricultural goods to in exchange for luxury items and manufactured goods. The master of the plantation didn’t go around wearing homespun.
//

251 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 8:01:49am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yeah, we did, too, until we moved downstairs last summer. I gave in. ; (

252 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 8:01:53am

re: #244 Lord Of The Pies

The History Channel should rename itself THC, because they’re high on Hitler and alien conspiracy BS; history is now an afterthought.

It’s the same with TLC; they used to be about learning and education, but decided to chase eyeballs with “reality” tv though I have to admit that life in the ER was interesting for a while (up until I found myself spending far too much time in hospitals dealing with sick friends/relatives - now I can’t watch any medical related shows because I’ve seen what the hospitals are really like).

253 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2015 8:02:27am

Unless you’re a sports nut, there is no reason to keep cable if you have limited entertainment dollars.

254 darthstar  May 22, 2015 8:03:16am
255 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 8:04:15am

re: #253 Amory Blaine

Unless you’re a sports nut, there is no reason to keep cable if you have limited entertainment dollars.

My mother’s been lamenting that recently, that if it weren’t for my dad watching sports, she’d cancel the cable and just live off Hulu and Netflix.

256 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 8:04:22am

re: #253 Amory Blaine

Unless you’re a sports nut, there is no reason to keep cable if you have limited entertainment dollars.

Yeah, they’re fanatics, even paying extra for things like that dumb-ass fight. $100. I could get new towels with that. : )

257 darthstar  May 22, 2015 8:05:25am
258 freetoken  May 22, 2015 8:05:40am

re: #253 Amory Blaine

Unless you’re a sports nut, there is no reason to keep cable if you have limited entertainment dollars.

I assume by “cable” you mean the various packages of source material (in the old days we called them “channels”.)

The physical connection, though, is still for almost all people the preferred way to hook up to the internet.

And it is here where the cable companies still enjoy their advantage. Cox keeps raising my rates for my internet connection. I buy no entertainment package from them, but now they have raised the internet-only package to $69/mo for a decent high-speed connection.

259 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 8:07:15am

re: #254 darthstar

Also everyone who sucked up to him for political gain.

It might be time to start asking why these cable channels are so hooked up with the RW political machine.

Duggars, Duck Gang, Palins, all tangled up with these used-to-be ‘educational’ cable channels. And all of them in very close contact with major wingnut political players.

A different type of incestuous relationship. Time to look at what History and TLC are getting out of the deal.

260 darthstar  May 22, 2015 8:07:28am
261 darthstar  May 22, 2015 8:08:46am

re: #259 makeitstop
TLC used to be “The Learning Channel” - but there wasn’t a lot of profit in that. Same goes for the History channel and “Discovery”…reality TV networks, all of them.

262 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 8:09:08am

re: #258 freetoken

I assume by “cable” you mean the various packages of source material (in the old days we called them “channels”.)

The physical connection, though, is still for almost all people the preferred way to hook up to the internet.

And it is here where the cable companies still enjoy their advantage. Cox keeps raising my rates for my internet connection. I buy no entertainment package from them, but now they have raised the internet-only package to $69/mo for a decent high-speed connection.

Roughly the reason I keep my Comcast cable TV part of my package. Dropping down to internet-only doesn’t save me that much money. And I do like watching sports enough to keep the TV active during football season and the spring playoff season.

263 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 8:09:25am

re: #260 darthstar

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I’m beginning to believe if it weren’t for hyperbole, the GOP would be totally without talking points.

264 nearly-headless smith25  May 22, 2015 8:10:20am

re: #252 lawhawk

The History Channel should rename itself THC, because they’re high on Hitler and alien conspiracy BS; history is now an afterthought.

It’s the same with TLC; they used to be about learning and education, but decided to chase eyeballs with “reality” tv though I have to admit that life in the ER was interesting for a while (up until I found myself spending far too much time in hospitals dealing with sick friends/relatives - now I can’t watch any medical related shows because I’ve seen what the hospitals are really like).

I loved when The Learning Channel would show “The Operation” on Sunday nights. Basically a surgeons teaching film, cut into a one hour episode.

265 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 8:10:24am

re: #260 darthstar

We have never seen more threats against our nation and its citizens than we do today.

What a (pardon the expression) drama queen.

Is he going to run his entire campaign on doom, gloom and impending death and destruction? I remember when presidential candidates were expected to have an uplifting vision for the country.

Obama ran that way. Republicans seem to have forgotten how to do it.

266 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 8:10:56am

re: #261 darthstar

TLC used to be “The Learning Channel” - but there wasn’t a lot of profit in that. Same goes for the History channel and “Discovery”…reality TV networks, all of them.

Sufficient eyeballs to draw the advertising dollars. I have friends who watch a lot more of that sort of stuff than I do. Then again, they also watch a lot more TV than I do. I just hang out on a computer typing silly comments on a web-site… O_o

j/k

267 darthstar  May 22, 2015 8:11:43am

Posted for the floating goat.

268 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 8:12:17am

Jesushchristonabiscuit, did he molest the 5 yr old sister, too?

“The Duggars are now trying to destroy the evidence. They are using the excuse that one of the girls is still a minor. With this request they have outright admitted that Joy was also a victim. Joy will be 18 in October.
Basically, they just want this to all go away. I seriously doubt they care about Joy. It’s more about trying to rebuild the parents’ and Josh’s reputation buy shredding the evidence. A court order won’t change the fact that this report if out there. It is everywhere! Once it shows up on the internet, it will always be on the internet.”

facebook.com

It appears that he did molest all 5 girls
269 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 8:13:15am

Ben is such a freaking douchebasket.

270 freetoken  May 22, 2015 8:13:40am

re: #252 lawhawk

There has been a degradation in content across the board.

The History Channel, as you noted, is now more about alien nazis.

The Learning Channel has morphed into trash tv.

National Geographic, post Murdoch buy-in, now is into selling Je$u$ to the bible belt.

We were warned of this. The idea that 500 channels would have 100x the valuable content of 5 channels is just wrong. What we now have are lots and lots of nonsense with an occasional high-quality (in either content or production value) entree here and there.

The over-the-top model is clearly winning the day but that is incremental and, as some have lamented, even reinforces more the epistemic-closure problem in our society.

But… in an over-the-top paradigm at least national borders are easier to cross, and as an English speaker I find more productions from the UK or Ireland or Australia into which to pour my spare time, if I have any.

271 Nyet  May 22, 2015 8:14:23am

re: #235 Feline Fearless Leader

I see it all the time. Some event or figure is being discussed, with various opinions thrown here and there, and then someone chimes in with something like:

And whatever happened to “innocent until proven guilty” anyway?

not understanding that it’s a legal, not an epistemological principle.

272 darthstar  May 22, 2015 8:14:57am

re: #268 Justanotherhuman

Jesushchristonabiscuit, did he molest the 5 yr old sister, too?

Good questions his now wife needs to ask herself regarding their own children.

273 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 8:15:49am

MOAR FREAKING DOUCHEBASKET

274 Mattand  May 22, 2015 8:16:40am

From the “If Your PR People Have to Explain They’re Jokes, You’re Doing it Wrong” Department:

Chris Christie Wows Roast Crowd With Expletive-Filled Media Rant (AUDIO)

Part of me thinks he knows he’s sunk and is in “Just don’t give a shit anymore” mode.

Ya know, Guv, if you think NJ voters think you’d make a shitty POTUS because we don’t want you to leave, it aint’ because you’re beloved. It’s because we’re patriots enough to realize we have to take one for the team.

Better to have you here in Trenton fucking up one state than have you in the White House fucking up the other 49.

275 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2015 8:17:09am

re: #125 Dr. Matt

It is an exceptional hellhole.
//

276 Mattand  May 22, 2015 8:17:42am

re: #269 Lord Of The Pies

Ben is such a freaking douchebasket.

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Am so tempted to set up a fake Ben Shapiro account. Problem is that no one would know the difference.

277 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 8:18:43am

re: #276 Mattand

Am so tempted to set up a fake Ben Shapiro account. Problem is that no one would know the difference.

I’m waiting for the inevitable Chucky anti-Semitic attacks on Ben. That would be so much fun to watch.

278 CuriousLurker  May 22, 2015 8:18:44am

How come nobody told me yesterday was Kick Kragar Around Day? He got jumped on in two threads. And WTF with taking swings at William & Klys too?

Sheesh. //

279 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 22, 2015 8:18:49am

re: #260 darthstar

Lindsey Graham
✔ @GrahamBlog

We have never seen more threats against our nation and its citizens than we do today.

Senator Graham would never admit that the greatest threat facing us is GCC. Once you take GCC off of the table the threat posed by takfiris is dick compared to that posed by the Axis in WWII or the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

280 Nyet  May 22, 2015 8:20:15am

re: #278 CuriousLurker

That guy is always surly as of late.

281 Mattand  May 22, 2015 8:21:42am

re: #278 CuriousLurker

How come nobody told me yesterday was Kick Kragar Around Day? He got jumped on in two threads. And WTF with taking swings at William & Klys too?

Sheesh. //

Two things:

1) Belated thanks for the vacuum info the other day. Much appreciated.

B) Couldn’t get to sleep last night, so I sat in front of the Interwebz Machine and logged on to LGF. Saw that bad craziness and got my Running Octopus NOPE meme on and split.

I blame it on sunspots, and the rippity-rap the Kids™ are into these days.

282 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 8:22:24am

re: #271 Nyet

I see it all the time. Some event or figure is being discussed, with various opinions thrown here and there, and then someone chimes in with something like:

not understanding that it’s a legal, not an epistemological principle.

Which is also at the core of “due process”. As compared to conviction in the court of Popular Opinion and/or vigilantes and lynch mobs.

I am more distressed by there being figures with power and influence who seem to think constantly harping about the need to resort to that latter* is a good way to make a profit.

* - With a serious implication attached that our government, military, and/or law enforcement (pick and choose which as needed) are corrupted and thus cannot be expected to properly serve. Until, of course, they are killing minorities. (spit)

283 Nyet  May 22, 2015 8:22:34am

E.g.:

littlegreenfootballs.com

284 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 8:23:21am

WHY JEWS VOTE LEFT
Because we are educated and intelligent.
Although sadly I do know many wingnut Jews.

285 Nyet  May 22, 2015 8:23:45am

re: #282 Feline Fearless Leader

Which is also at the core of “due process”. As compared to conviction in the court of Popular Opinion and/or vigilantes and lynch mobs.

Which is exactly what Nolte says, deliberately confusing the legal and the factual sides of things.

286 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 8:23:45am

Oh and Ben: most Jews, and most liberals, think Woody Allen is a garbage person.

287 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 8:23:46am

re: #272 darthstar

There were only 5 younger sisters at the time and she was the youngest. I commented on that yesterday.

Enlarge and look at the bottom of the police report.

288 darthstar  May 22, 2015 8:25:16am

re: #283 Nyet

E.g.:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Yeah, but at least he’s a break from Pamela Gellar. //

289 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 8:25:20am

How odd that CCJ is so silent about Josh. One would think CCJ would be exploiting the child molester’s history to bring more attention to himself.

290 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 8:26:03am

Heh, the GOP rank and file now finds this Congress led by GOPers to be even worse that the prior Congress.

Except that the rank and file want them to be even more confrontational with the President, to be even more obstructionist, and to be even more slash and burn-y of the safety net.

291 darthstar  May 22, 2015 8:26:08am

re: #289 Dr. Matt

How odd that CCJ is so silent about Josh. One would think CCJ would be exploiting the child molester’s history to bring more attention to himself.

He’s too busy digging up dirt on the younger sisters.

292 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 8:26:52am

re: #291 darthstar

He’s too busy digging up dirt on the younger sisters.

Sadly, you’re probably correct.

293 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 8:27:38am

re: #289 Dr. Matt

How odd that CCJ is so silent about Josh. One would think CCJ would be exploiting the child molester’s history to bring more attention to himself.

I believe he went off on a rant about it last night.

294 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 8:27:39am

re: #290 lawhawk

Heh, the GOP rank and file now finds this Congress led by GOPers to be even worse that the prior Congress.

Except that the rank and file want them to be even more confrontational with the President, to be even more obstructionist, and to be even more slash and burn-y of the safety net.

Yep, they’re finally getting around to realizing it was easy to be the “Party of No” when you only had to worry about sustaining a filibuster.

295 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 8:29:55am

re: #274 Mattand

Real classy guy, your guv. ////

296 CuriousLurker  May 22, 2015 8:30:37am

re: #280 Nyet

That guy is always surly as of late.

re: #283 Nyet

E.g.:

littlegreenfootballs.com

He’s always been sarcastic, but it was used to be in a funny way. These days it seems to be mostly dickish. Who knows WTF is up with people. *shrugs*

re: #281 Mattand

1) Belated thanks for the vacuum info the other day. Much appreciated.

You’re welcome!

B) Couldn’t get to sleep last night, so I sat in front of the Interwebz Machine and logged on to LGF. Saw that bad craziness and got my Running Octopus NOPE meme on and split.

Same here, basically. I opened the Spy and saw the down-dings flying, so I just backed right on out. Life’s too short.

I blame it on sunspots, and the rippity-rap the Kids™ are into these days.

Makes as much sense as anything. ;-)

297 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 8:31:44am

And for the Duggar-Honey Boo Boo confluence. The mom from the Honey Boo Boo show is threatening to sue Discovery Networks over their handling of their respective shows following the revelations of sexual abuse.

Like I was saying yesterday, this is only going to get worse.

298 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 8:33:29am

re: #297 lawhawk

And for the Duggar-Honey Boo Boo confluence. The mom from the Honey Boo Boo show is threatening to sue Discovery Networks over their handling of their respective shows following the revelations of sexual abuse.

Like I was saying yesterday, this is only going to get worse.

Since we have a 3-day weekend, TLC can do themselves a big favor [and do the right thing] and announce they are canceling the show at 5 pm today.

299 Mattand  May 22, 2015 8:33:37am

re: #297 lawhawk

And for the Duggar-Honey Boo Boo confluence. The mom from the Honey Boo Boo show is threatening to sue Discovery Networks over their handling of their respective shows following the revelations of sexual abuse.

Like I was saying yesterday, this is only going to get worse.

We don’t have kids, but we’re in close enough contact with them that my heart just breaks every time I read about stuff like this.

Makes me appreciate my parents all the more.

300 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 8:34:59am

re: #226 Lord Of The Pies

UpChuck has said the same thing, word for word. FYI.

301 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 8:36:55am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

And these types aren’t just “discovered” or real talent.

They actually whore their kids out to make money from them. They’re despicable.

302 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 8:38:32am

re: #301 Justanotherhuman

And these types aren’t just “discovered” or real talent.

They actually whore their kids out to make money from them. They’re despicable.

Add Kris Jenner to that list as well.

303 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 8:38:57am

re: #297 lawhawk

And for the Duggar-Honey Boo Boo confluence. The mom from the Honey Boo Boo show is threatening to sue Discovery Networks over their handling of their respective shows following the revelations of sexual abuse.

Like I was saying yesterday, this is only going to get worse.

More power to her. They shitcanned her show within hours of the revelations hitting the air, but seem to hoping to weather this particular storm. I haven’t seen any statements from TLC since yesterday, and I imagine that that’s because they’re consulting with lawyers about whether or not they can just kick Josh off the show without getting embroiled in a contract dispute.

304 freetoken  May 22, 2015 8:39:03am

If history is any guide - think Jimmy Swaggart or the Bakkers - then the American hyper-religious society will just shrug off the Duggar thing as some sort of temptation by Satan and proof that they are in a “spiritual war.”

Nothing can separate Je$u$ from the marks.

305 Nyet  May 22, 2015 8:40:41am

“Innocent until proven guilty [in a court of law]” is a purely legalistic, processual statement which limits the power to pronounce people legally guilty to proper courts. A state can then deal with the legally guilty people as needs be, and must set legally innocent people free (possibly with compensation). Nothing less, nothing more.

Obviously, a legally innocent person can be an actually guilty person and vice versa, a legally guilty person can be an actually innocent person.

If a rape did happen, it doesn’t cease to be rape regardless of whatever a jury decides (or vice versa). But legal consequences for the rape can only follow after a jury or a judge decides. So Nolte is deliberately confusing legal principles with epistemology. If we have enough evidence to think someone is a rapist, we can call him or her a rapist regardless of whether a court decided anything, we just can’t act against this person directly.

306 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 8:41:19am

re: #301 Justanotherhuman

And these types aren’t just “discovered” or real talent.

They actually whore their kids out to make money from them. They’re despicable.

Yup. See: The Palin Family

Conservatives disparage Hollywood at all costs, but they all want to be Hollywood stars or be seen with them. Fucking hypocrites.

307 Ace-o-aces  May 22, 2015 8:41:22am

re: #284 Lord Of The Pies

WHY JEWS VOTE LEFT
Because we are educated and intelligent.
Although sadly I do know many wingnut Jews.

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By Ben’s criteria, most Israeli’s are not “real” Jews.

308 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 8:42:50am

re: #226 Lord Of The Pies

Remember it’s not rape until a jury says so. Shrill, dried up feminists and a lying media don’t make that call.
— John Nolte (@NolteNC) May 22, 2015

Ah, so OJ never murdered anyone. Gotcha.

//

309 CuriousLurker  May 22, 2015 8:42:55am

Speaking of UpChuck, I saw this on the BBC early this morning and it made me think of his proposed extortion/business model:

US embassy worker in London accused of ‘sextortion’

Michael C Ford, who has lived in the UK since 2006, was arrested last week while visiting family in Atlanta.

Prosecutors say Mr Ford hacked accounts of women to obtain sexually explicit images of them.

The US State Department says he is no longer working at the embassy.

Mr Ford threatened his victims with the stolen images, demanding that they shoot videos of other women undressing, prosecutors said.

“I want you to record videos of sexy girls changing. In gyms, clothing stores, pools… You do that, and I disappear,” he wrote to one victim, according to the court documents.

When the victim did not comply, prosecutors said he wrote a follow-up email. “OK, time’s up. Everything I have will be posted online and sent to your friends. Pictures, name, phone number, home address… I gave you a chance and you blew it!” it read. […]

310 Ace-o-aces  May 22, 2015 8:43:02am

re: #273 Lord Of The Pies

311 Eventual Carrion  May 22, 2015 8:43:47am

re: #238 Amory Blaine

I am very glad I cut the cord years ago. Between cable news and reality crap I was feeling like a real sucker. Why can’t MTV have music lessons and historic programming,etc. ? TV is a sewer where once and a while a shiny turd will float by.

I would probably watch a music channel like that.

312 danarchy  May 22, 2015 8:45:49am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

Does the History Channel still show programming related to history? Or is all just ancient aliens now? The Erich von Däniken network, in other words.

I think the ancient aliens stuff has mostly moved to H2, on the original history channel it is all stuff like Pawn Stars, American Pickers, Counting Cars etc.

313 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 8:45:52am

Tweet of the day. Teh internet is officially closed until Tuesday at 8 am:

314 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 8:46:26am

re: #303 Targetpractice

More power to her. They shitcanned her show within hours of the revelations hitting the air, but seem to hoping to weather this particular storm. I haven’t seen any statements from TLC since yesterday, and I imagine that that’s because they’re consulting with lawyers about whether or not they can just kick Josh off the show without getting embroiled in a contract dispute.

Given the years of abuse, and the coverup by the parents, I don’t think they can avoid canceling the show in its entirety. The whole thing is tainted by the abuse.

If I were one of the lawyers working on the show, I’d use the character/judgment/good conduct/morals clauses that are typical in these contracts as grounds to cancel the show. Now that it’s become known of the criminality and the coverup, and likely refusal to divulge this information to producers pre-production, the producers would have every right to kill the show.

For instance, see the morals clause here (page 15). And Discovery would have every right to do the same.

315 freetoken  May 22, 2015 8:47:17am

With HBO going with an over-the-top model, and certainly other major production and distribution houses will too, then I don’t see why people will want to buy the pre-packaged channel assortments.

What this means of course is that the cable companies will continue to lose subscribers to channel packages, but not subscribers to cable use for internet.

I fully expect Cox to continue to raise my internet-only rates until they are the same as the highest channel-package.

It may take 5 years, but they are well on their way there.

I’ve had a 50% price increase over 7 years.

316 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 8:47:21am

re: #309 CuriousLurker

Sounds very much like something I saw the other day, but having to do with the “dark net” where women like that who post nude photos or compromising ones involving sex on the regular internet, also, are hacked and made to actually use their web cams to do degrading stuff with the same extortionist line. Perverts pay the extortionist to watch the victim’s web cam activities.

317 CuriousLurker  May 22, 2015 8:47:57am

re: #316 Justanotherhuman

Sounds very much like something I saw the other day, but having to do with the “dark net” where women like that who post nude photos or compromising ones involving sex on the regular internet, also, are hacked and made to actually use their web cams to do degrading stuff with the same extortionist line. Perverts pay the extortionist to watch the victim’s web cam activities.

Ughhhh.

318 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 22, 2015 8:48:48am

re: #309 CuriousLurker

Now I’m all conflicted. My first thought after reading about Michael C Ford was, “Hanging’s too good for him.” But, I’m against the death penalty.

I’m going to ponder this while I walk the dog.

BBL

319 Mattand  May 22, 2015 8:49:16am

re: #295 Justanotherhuman

Real classy guy, your guv. ////

As I’ve mentioned before, I’m one of about 38 people in NJ who didn’t vote for him twice. No regrets.

Here’s the thing, though: even though I didn’t vote for him, I was sort of willing to sit back and see what he could do. See if that “We’re turning Trenton upside down, it’s no longer business as usual” talk was more than just bravado. Christ knows this state has earned its shitty politics rep.

I voted for Menendez, McGreevy, and Corzine, so I’m fairly cognizant of the glass state I live in.

But then, off the top of my head: the “humiliate teachers at town halls and post them to YouTube; the “Cut taxes with no way to pay for them” shit; Bridgegate; letting Exxon off the hook for the Bayway/Bayonne spill; blowing a chance to get millions of dollars of federal education funds; screwing up the budget.

That’s not business as usual. That’s fucking lying during two gubernatorial campaigns to the votes, knowing goddamn well you’re going to keep perpetuating the political sewer environment this state is saddled with.

And people, both here in NJ and across the country (albeit in dwindling numbers), think this guy is suited to run the country.

Nope.

320 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 8:50:01am

Busy with my day job, so GotNwes is a little late with this nwes.

BREAKING: Here are the shameless hussies who helped #EmmaSulkowicz torture her victim with a mattress

Artist’s conception of victim being forced to see a mattress carried around

Ever on the lookout for hot girls to defame, GotNewsDotCom’s editor-in-thief Chuck C. Johnson (possibly shown above) has obtained the names of two of the girls who helped Columbia University Emma Sulkowicz carry a mattress during their commencement ceremony.
In Johnson’s words, “Sulkowicz perpetrated a rape fraud against the public but she didn’t do it alone.”

Perhaps the guy she’s accused of sexually assaulting her had something to do with it, Chuck.

Nah. It’s all her fault. White boys never do anything bad, in GotNewsDotCom-land.

321 WhatEVs  May 22, 2015 8:50:11am

re: #86 Kragar

My brother mentioned an interview given by George Miller quoting something to that effect, but no link to an article. I did some research and couldn’t find the original, but did find a few articles here and there mentioning the same thing:

The Feral Child from “The Road Warrior”:

Nix from “Beyond Thunderdome”

So rather than try to explain away inconsistencies with the narrative and what the timeline is with the new movie, what Miller is going with that given the Wastelanders rely on an oral tradition of history, the actual Max may or may not still be out there, but the legend of Max keeps going.

And the word is they’re already working on another film and Hardy signed a three picture deal to play Max.

This reminds me of a trilogy a friend of mine wrote long ago. It was an action type trilogy (DiVinci Code style) of two college archeologists who found a scroll in the middle east on a dig. It was a scroll that detailed a traveler, a story teller, who went from village to village and told, well, stories. The stories were just that, stories, not history, just fiction. The stories were about a man named Jesus.

He never let me read the trilogy but I sure would have liked to. It sounded fascinating.

322 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2015 8:51:34am

Later. Meat world calls. : P

323 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 8:51:45am

Huckabee has come out in support of the Duggar clan. I shit you not.

Janet and I want to affirm our support for the Duggar family. Josh’s actions when he was an underage teen are as he described them himself, ‘inexcusable,’ but that doesn’t mean ‘unforgivable.’ He and his family dealt with it and were honest and open about it with the victims and the authorities. No purpose whatsoever is served by those who are now trying to discredit Josh or his family by sensationalizing the story. Good people make mistakes and do regrettable and even disgusting things. The reason that the law protects disclosure of many actions on the part of a minor is that the society has traditionally understood something that today’s blood-thirsty media does not understand—that being a minor means that one’s judgement is not mature. No one needs to defend Josh’s actions as a teenager, but the fact that he confessed his sins to those he harmed, sought help, and has gone forward to live a responsible and circumspect life as an adult is testament to his family’s authenticity and humility. Those who have enjoyed revealing this long ago sins in order to discredit the Duggar family have actually revealed their own insensitive bloodthirst, for there was no consideration of the fact that the victims wanted this to be left in the past and ultimately a judge had the information on file destroyed—not to protect Josh, but the innocent victims. Janet and I love Jim Bob and Michelle and their entire family. They are no more perfect a family than any family, but their Christian witness is not marred in our eyes because following Christ is not a declaration of our perfection, but of HIS perfection. It is precisely because we are all sinners that we need His grace and His forgiveness. We have been blessed to receive God’s love and we would do no less than to extend our love and support for our friends. In fact, it is such times as this, when real friends show up and stand up. Today, Janet and I want to show up and stand up for our friends. Let others run from them. We will run to them with our support.

Let’s parse this apart. His parents didn’t honestly and openly address the issue for months. They covered it up. They didn’t seek professional help and guidance, instead going to the church where they gave him “counseling” for a couple of months and left it at that. And throughout the entirety of the show’s existence they’ve proclaimed their worldview superior to all others, even as they were covering up their son’s sexual abuse of family members and others.

*spit*

324 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 8:53:24am

re: #323 lawhawk

PS Vote for me in the primary.

325 GlutenFreeJesus  May 22, 2015 8:53:52am
326 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 8:54:51am

re: #314 lawhawk

Given the years of abuse, and the coverup by the parents, I don’t think they can avoid canceling the show in its entirety. The whole thing is tainted by the abuse.

If I were one of the lawyers working on the show, I’d use the character/judgment/good conduct/morals clauses that are typical in these contracts as grounds to cancel the show. Now that it’s become known of the criminality and the coverup, and likely refusal to divulge this information to producers pre-production, the producers would have every right to kill the show.

For instance, see the morals clause here (page 15). And Discovery would have every right to do the same.

Which can only lead me to conclude that they did know, or at least had reason to ask, and went ahead with the show anyway. Something that the Duggars and their lawyers could dig up to use in a lawsuit.

327 Mattand  May 22, 2015 8:54:51am

re: #315 freetoken

With HBO going with an over-the-top model, and certainly other major production and distribution houses will too, then I don’t see why people will want to buy the pre-packaged channel assortments.

What this means of course is that the cable companies will continue to lose subscribers to channel packages, but not subscribers to cable use for internet.

I fully expect Cox to continue to raise my internet-only rates until they are the same as the highest channel-package.

It may take 5 years, but they are well on their way there.

I’ve had a 50% price increase over 7 years.

I tried cutting the cord last year when our FiOS deal was up. Being the geek I am, I created a Google spreadsheet to estimate costs of getting all the shows we watched through various sites (Hulu, Netflix), buying a Tivo, etc. Looked at both Comcast and Verizon, the two majors in the Philly area.

Just could not make it work, pretty much for the reason you point out. The cable companies have gotten wise to cord cutters and raise the prices so that at some point, you pay the same or more. Plus, it was just too much goddamned work to watch a show.

All told we pay a little less than $120 a month for TV and internet, which is actually pretty good from what I’ve seen.

328 Nyet  May 22, 2015 8:55:25am

re: #325 GlutenFreeJesus

(Sexist comment trigger warning!)

What’s with the ugly 80s hair?

/

329 Timothy Watson  May 22, 2015 8:55:53am

re: #323 lawhawk

Huckabee has come out in support of the Duggar clan. I shit you not.

Let’s parse this apart. His parents didn’t honestly and openly address the issue for months. They covered it up. They didn’t seek professional help and guidance, instead going to the church where they gave him “counseling” for a couple of months and left it at that. And throughout the entirety of the show’s existence they’ve proclaimed their worldview superior to all others, even as they were covering up their son’s sexual abuse of family members and others.

*spit*

Not surprising since he gave clemency to present and future rapists, as well as a future quadruple cop killer

330 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 8:56:27am

So this just happened.

I was arguing (pointlessly) with some random wingnut “libs worst nightmare” @army1man1 on Twitter when someone sent me the wingnut’s gofundme:

331 CuriousLurker  May 22, 2015 8:56:46am

re: #323 lawhawk

Huckabee has come out in support of the Duggar clan. I shit you not.

Let’s parse this apart. His parents didn’t honestly and openly address the issue for months. They covered it up. They didn’t seek professional help and guidance, instead going to the church where they gave him “counseling” for a couple of months and left it at that. And throughout the entirety of the show’s existence they’ve proclaimed their worldview superior to all others, even as they were covering up their son’s sexual abuse of family members and others.

*spit*

The smug self-righteousness is… these people creep me right the hell out. Fundie trigger! I’m outta here before I lose my cool—later, lizards.

332 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 8:58:08am

FREAKING DOUCHEBASKET==>

333 WhatEVs  May 22, 2015 8:58:16am

re: #197 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m using Opera now for most things. Chrome is becoming bloatware, too.

Look at Pale Moon. It is based on Firefox without all the crap. Works really well and can use all FF addons.

334 Mattand  May 22, 2015 8:58:30am

re: #323 lawhawk

Spoiler alert if you haven’t read the book.

Every time I see the Huckster or Ted Cruz anymore, I think of Greg Stillson, the religious fanatic politician from Stephen King’s The Dead Zone.

335 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 8:58:56am

re: #333 WhatEVs

Look at Pale Moon. It is based on Firefox without all the crap. Works really well and can use all FF addons.

Thanks. I will.

336 Nyet  May 22, 2015 8:59:22am

re: #330 Lord Of The Pies

$0 of $225k
Raised by 0 people in 2 months
Donate Now

lololo

337 WhatEVs  May 22, 2015 8:59:50am

re: #217 Justanotherhuman

I just wish I could decorate cakes like this:

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I couldn’t eat that. I would shellac the shit out of it and stick it on the mantel. That is a piece of art!

338 lawhawk  May 22, 2015 9:00:34am

re: #334 Mattand

As a Genesis fan, I can’t help but think of their spoof of the religious charlatans in Jesus he knows me.

…

339 Timothy Watson  May 22, 2015 9:01:18am

re: #332 Lord Of The Pies

FREAKING DOUCHEBASKET==>

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Every time that asshole opens his mouth I can’t believe he’s 31 years old. I don’t think I was ever that much of a twit and I couldn’t imagine being that obnoxious today (I am 27 years old).

340 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 9:01:55am

re: #311 Eventual Carrion

I would probably watch a music channel like that.

Does the spirit of George Carlin get to collect the musicians selected to be on the program using a souped up phone booth?
;P

341 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 9:02:52am

re: #323 lawhawk

Huckabee has come out in support of the Duggar clan. I shit you not.

Let’s parse this apart. His parents didn’t honestly and openly address the issue for months. They covered it up. They didn’t seek professional help and guidance, instead going to the church where they gave him “counseling” for a couple of months and left it at that. And throughout the entirety of the show’s existence they’ve proclaimed their worldview superior to all others, even as they were covering up their son’s sexual abuse of family members and others.

*spit*

That is fucking perverse.

‘Love the sinner, hate the sin.’ Fuck you, Huckabee.

342 freetoken  May 22, 2015 9:02:59am

Meanwhile, in Western Europe’s most religious country:

Large early turnout as Irish voters decide gay marriage initiative

I will be interested to see how it turns out.

343 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 9:03:28am

re: #312 danarchy

I think the ancient aliens stuff has mostly moved to H2, on the original history channel it is all stuff like Pawn Stars, American Pickers, Counting Cars etc.

“Military Channel” converted into the “American Heroes Channel” and now has lots of Bible and Hitler stuff as well. Basically another channel in the Discovery Channel’s suite.

344 Mattand  May 22, 2015 9:03:34am

Good Lord, how the hell did it get to be noon already?

Thank God it’s a nice day, at any rate. Time to go be productive. In the mean time, enjoy the quiet regal dignity of the canine Boxer:

Yes, he is handing one his balls to me. Get your minds out of the gutter.
345 Timothy Watson  May 22, 2015 9:04:53am

re: #343 Feline Fearless Leader

“Military Channel” converted into the “American Heroes Channel” and now has lots of Bible and Hitler stuff as well. Basically another channel in the Discovery Channel’s suite.

Ugh, I remember when it was the Discovery Wings channel.

Sigh, crap everywhere.

346 WhatEVs  May 22, 2015 9:05:30am

re: #264 nearly-headless smith25

I loved when The Learning Channel would show “The Operation” on Sunday nights. Basically a surgeons teaching film, cut into a one hour episode.

I couldn’t watch that show. I almost puked the first time I saw them make an incision. Once past that I was fascinated but man…I couldn’t handle the incision part.

347 William Lewis  May 22, 2015 9:06:24am

re: #345 Timothy Watson

Ugh, I remember when it was the Discovery Wings channel.

Sigh, crap everywhere.

Once upon a time, that was one of the best things on TV. Sigh…

348 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 9:06:25am

re: #323 lawhawk

So, in essence, Huckabee is declaring his religious allies above the US legal system?

349 Mattand  May 22, 2015 9:06:31am

re: #339 Timothy Watson

Every time that asshole opens his mouth I can’t believe he’s 31 years old. I don’t think I was ever that much of a twit and I couldn’t imagine being that obnoxious today (I am 27 years old).

15-20 years from now, you’ll most likely look back and shake your head at some stupid stuff you’ve done and go “WTF was I thinking?” Most self-aware people do.

Guys like Benny Boy and CCJ, on the other hand? It’s only going to get worse from here on out.

350 Ace-o-aces  May 22, 2015 9:07:07am

If not, maybe A&E is interested.

351 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 9:07:23am

re: #341 makeitstop

‘Love the sinner, hate justify and excuse the sin.’

FTFM

352 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 9:08:20am

re: #323 lawhawk

Huckabee has come out in support of the Duggar clan. I shit you not.

Let’s parse this apart. His parents didn’t honestly and openly address the issue for months. They covered it up. They didn’t seek professional help and guidance, instead going to the church where they gave him “counseling” for a couple of months and left it at that. And throughout the entirety of the show’s existence they’ve proclaimed their worldview superior to all others, even as they were covering up their son’s sexual abuse of family members and others.

*spit*

It could be worse. One of the Duggar’s could have hung and tortured a dog for fun.

353 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 9:08:53am
354 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 22, 2015 9:09:43am

re: #352 Dr. Matt

It could be worse. One of the Duggar’s could have hung and tortured eaten a dog for fun.

FTFY

355 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 9:10:04am

re: #327 Mattand

I tried cutting the cord last year when our FiOS deal was up. Being the geek I am, I created a Google spreadsheet to estimate costs of getting all the shows we watched through various sites (Hulu, Netflix), buying a Tivo, etc. Looked at both Comcast and Verizon, the two majors in the Philly area.

Just could not make it work, pretty much for the reason you point out. The cable companies have gotten wise to cord cutters and raise the prices so that at some point, you pay the same or more. Plus, it was just too much goddamned work to watch a show.

All told we pay a little less than $120 a month for TV and internet, which is actually pretty good from what I’ve seen.

A comparison as well in the same market - watching sports.
They are using PCs and an Apple TV vs. my Comcast account. I was watching the ice hockey playoff game without issue while their connect kept timing out and/or delaying. To the point they were watching 2-3 minutes later than the actual game time.

(To their advantage the connection they were using just showed a sort of “we’ll be right back” message instead of the commercials during stoppages.)

356 William Lewis  May 22, 2015 9:11:02am

Heck with it. I’ve spent way too much money today but my bills are caught up for the first time in months and I’ve ordered myself two new major toys: a VHT Special 6 Ultra 1x12” Combo Amplifier (2x12ax7 & 1x6v6) & an Epiphone Limited Edition “1966” G-400 PRO Electric Guitar (Cherry). Playing my guitars is going to be my entertainment budget for this year but that’s ok. I can think of far worse ways I could have spent that money.

357 makeitstop  May 22, 2015 9:13:11am

re: #356 William Lewis

Heck with it. I’ve spent way too much money today but my bills are caught up for the first time in months and I’ve ordered myself two new major toys: a VHT Special 6 Ultra 1x12” Combo Amplifier (2x12ax7 & 1x6v6) & an Epiphone Limited Edition “1966” G-400 PRO Electric Guitar (Cherry). Playing my guitars is going to be my entertainment budget for this year but that’s ok. I can think of far worse ways I could have spent that money.

Good move! Like the man says, ‘music will be your friend for life.’

The Epi G-400s are pretty nice guitars. And it should sound pretty nice through that tube amp!

358 Varek Raith  May 22, 2015 9:13:30am

re: #356 William Lewis

Heck with it. I’ve spent way too much money today but my bills are caught up for the first time in months and I’ve ordered myself two new major toys: a VHT Special 6 Ultra 1x12” Combo Amplifier (2x12ax7 & 1x6v6) & an Epiphone Limited Edition “1966” G-400 PRO Electric Guitar (Cherry). Playing my guitars is going to be my entertainment budget for this year but that’s ok. I can think of far worse ways I could have spent that money.

Did you reverse the polarity of the plasma regulators?

359 Great White Snark  May 22, 2015 9:13:35am

re: #253 Amory Blaine

Unless you’re a sports nut, there is no reason to keep cable if you have limited entertainment dollars.

I wish I could. I’d miss-Smithsonian, BBC, Al Jazeera, current seasons of a lot of serial television, tastes may vary of course. I liked Justified’s seasons. Also in my area, local broadcast is a damn mess on an antenna. Frequent pixelating, dropouts. freezes. Last example is major actually important breaking news. I want to scan a number of news channels to see who has the good feed. I can always mute the audio. :-)

360 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 9:14:11am

re: #358 Varek Raith

Did you reverse the polarity of the plasma regulators?

!FUN! occurs if you don’t.

361 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2015 9:14:11am

re: #323 lawhawk

Huckabee who knows than a couple things about covering up for his own kids who did disgusting things.

362 WhatEVs  May 22, 2015 9:16:36am

re: #329 Timothy Watson

Not surprising since he gave clemency to present and future rapists, as well as a future quadruple cop killer

And didn’t his own son have some…issues?

363 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 9:17:06am

Four Home-Schooled Brothers Plead Guilty In Rape, Assault Of Sister

Four homeschooled brothers pleaded guilty Thursday to molesting their younger sister from the time she was 4 years old until she was almost 15 - and their parents and two other brothers still face charges related to the case.

The oldest brother confessed in December 2012 to molesting the girl after becoming a born-again Christian, and a pastor from the Baptist church in Wake Forest, North Carolina, contacted authorities the following day.

“He confided in his pastor and his pastor told him that was wrong and not the way normal families are,” said Perquimans County Sheriff Eric Tilley.

Eric Jackson, then 25, told authorities that he and all five of his brothers had sexually abused their younger sister for a decade, and authorities say their parents knew but did nothing to stop the abuse.

Will the Huckster defend these perverts as well?

364 Eclectic Cyborg  May 22, 2015 9:17:59am

Has anyone set up a gofundme for the Duggars yet?

365 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 9:19:52am
366 freetoken  May 22, 2015 9:20:24am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Has anyone set up a gofundme for the Duggars yet?

It’s called “TLC”.

367 Eclectic Cyborg  May 22, 2015 9:20:42am

re: #363 Dr. Matt

The victim in the Jackson case told investigators that she believed she would go to hell if she told anyone about the assaults, which she said took place at least twice a week.

Good grief.

368 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 9:21:43am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Has anyone set up a gofundme for the Duggars yet?

Stolen [without attribution] :)

369 Lidane  May 22, 2015 9:22:19am

THIS ASSHOLE:

370 Eclectic Cyborg  May 22, 2015 9:22:29am

Also, here’s one of my gripes with this:

Josh’s defenders are saying he was “just a kid” when he did this and “not fully mature” so it’s not appropriate to hold him fully accountable for his actions.

And yet these are the same people who would be screaming for a 14 year old black kid to be tried as an adult and get the death penalty if he sexual assaulted a white girl.

Hypocrisy at its finest I suppose.

371 Eclectic Cyborg  May 22, 2015 9:23:12am

re: #369 Lidane

For some reason I always read that meme in a British accent.

372 nearly-headless smith25  May 22, 2015 9:24:13am

re: #370 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, here’s one of my gripes with this:

Josh’s defenders are saying he was “just a kid” when he did this and “not fully mature” so it’s not appropriate to hold him fully accountable for his actions.

And yet these are the same people who would be screaming for a 14 year old black kid to be tried as an adult and get the death penalty if he sexual assaulted a white girl.

Hypocrisy at its finest I suppose.

“Just a Kid” and “Youthful indiscretion” are only allowed if you are a white christian male.

373 William Lewis  May 22, 2015 9:24:19am

re: #358 Varek Raith

Heh. I’ll remember to try that :D

374 Nyet  May 22, 2015 9:24:29am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

goldduggers. com

375 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 9:25:49am

re: #365 Lord Of The Pies

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Fuck no, they were “just asking” if Brown had a juvie record and wanted everybody to know that Garner had a long rap sheet, even if the majority of the shit on it pertained to arrests over selling loose cigarettes. Likewise they kept repeating the shit about Trayvon and the backpack, along with rumors of his beating a bus driver. They habitually delve into the muck whenever a black man/teen is the subject of death-by-cop/asshole. But when a white guy is involved, “It’s in the past!”

376 Great White Snark  May 22, 2015 9:27:39am

Sen Warren, a positive influence on the campaigns. Paged.

377 Eventual Carrion  May 22, 2015 9:27:52am

re: #371 Eclectic Cyborg

For some reason I always read that meme in a British accent.

I do too, just seems appropriate.

378 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2015 9:28:44am

Also the 19 yo with the 17 yo girlfriend, often times arrested and branded a sexual criminal for life has been going on for years.

379 Nyet  May 22, 2015 9:40:07am

re: #378 Amory Blaine

Also the 19 yo with the 17 yo girlfriend, often times arrested and branded a sexual criminal for life has been going on for years.

That’s crazy.

380 Dave In Austin  May 22, 2015 9:42:15am

re: #369 Lidane

THIS ASSHOLE:

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No kidding…..

Does anyone know what Dugger Sr. Does for a living to support that community he calls family, besides the grift of course??

381 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 9:43:20am

re: #380 Dave In Austin

No kidding…..

Does anyone know what Dugger Sr. Does for a living to support that community he calls family, besides the grift of course??

Sells used cars?

382 William Lewis  May 22, 2015 9:44:36am

re: #379 Nyet

That’s crazy.

Very common here. As a result of such prosecutions some states have added specific exemptions to the statutory rape laws allowing for a 2 to 4 year (depending on the state) differential in age to not be an offense.

383 Dr. Matt  May 22, 2015 9:46:50am

This is an epic GIF

384 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 9:46:54am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

385 Nyet  May 22, 2015 9:50:16am

This “let’s cover it up” mentality seems rampant in insular religious communities.

Rabbi Shraga Feivel Zimmerman was giving evidence on Tuesday in the trial of 50-year-old Todros Grynhaus, a prominent member of the Charedi community in Salford.
Father-of-ten Mr Grynhaus is charged with five counts of indecent assault and two counts of sexual assault against two girls committed when they were aged around 14 and 15.

[…]
The jury have previously been told that the strictly Orthodox Charedi community often shuns the outside world and children are not allowed access to television, radio and the internet.

[…]

It has also been said there is a reluctance to report unlawful matters to the police, with Charedim instead preferring to settle matters ‘within the community’.

[…]

Rabbi Zimmerman said: “At that point nobody wanted to report it. Everybody wanted him to seek therapy and to heal himself and not be a danger to the general public. Part of any therapy is admission and taking responsibility for what you did.”

thejc.com

From the dates in the article it seems that they waited around 2 years before reporting it to the police.

386 Lidane  May 22, 2015 9:52:15am

TPM finally noticed the rank bigotry and hate on POTUS’s Twitter feed:

387 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2015 9:55:33am

re: #386 Lidane

TPM finally noticed the rank bigotry and hate on POTUS’s Twitter feed:

I am sure the Supreme Court is shocked by this development.
///

388 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 22, 2015 9:55:52am

re: #386 Lidane

That quote from “Blazing Saddles.”

What did you expect? “Welcome, sonny”? “Make yourself at home”? “Marry my daughter”? You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.

389 Dave In Austin  May 22, 2015 9:59:54am

re: #388 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That quote from “Blazing Saddles.”

That Sir, is most excellent.

Now I have to clean the coffe off the desk that I just recirculated thru my nose.

390 BeachDem  May 22, 2015 10:00:03am

re: #372 nearly-headless smith25

“Just a Kid” and “Youthful indiscretion” are only allowed if you are a white christian male.

And/or a 41-year old married man (see Hyde, Henry).

391 Targetpractice  May 22, 2015 10:01:38am

I’ll say it again, the man’s head is as empty as Al Capone’s vault.

392 Ace-o-aces  May 22, 2015 10:03:40am

re: #384 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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393 Dave In Austin  May 22, 2015 10:04:03am

re: #391 Targetpractice

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I’ll say it again, the man’s head is as empty as Al Capone’s vault.

But have you see that heads teeth
????

394 Nyet  May 22, 2015 10:04:28am

re: #388 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Diff: in BS it got better, while in reality it gets worse and worse.

395 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 22, 2015 10:04:28am

re: #391 Targetpractice

Poor Geraldo. I remember when he was a young, wannabe Gonzo journalist. Now he’s a Bozo journalist.

396 Great White Snark  May 22, 2015 10:05:47am

re: #395 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Poor Geraldo. I remember when he was a young, wannabe Gonzo journalist. Now he’s a Bozo journalist.

Had to fix that one.

397 Ace-o-aces  May 22, 2015 10:06:00am

re: #391 Targetpractice

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I’ll say it again, the man’s head is as empty as Al Capone’s vault.

I just want to say, my father, with no formal education past High School, knew enough about architecture and history to realize that the “vault” was going to be empty weeks before they opened it.

398 Dave In Austin  May 22, 2015 10:07:39am
399 Ace-o-aces  May 22, 2015 10:08:47am
400 freetoken  May 22, 2015 10:10:06am

While everyone is pointing out Huckabee’s hypocrisy, we should note that Cruz was at an FRC associated event just the previous day, part of which was lamenting teh ghey agenda. Josh Duggar would have been involved in this get together, though I’ve not see anyone dig out the details of how much. See my link upstream about Cruz.

401 Nyet  May 22, 2015 10:10:43am

re: #385 Nyet

He got convicted yesterday BTW:

thejc.com

And here’s a nugget of wisdom from his dad:

During the trial, Grynhaus’s father, Dayan Dovid Grynhaus — a senior rabbi in the London strictly Orthodox community — told the court that sexual abuse in the Charedi community was “traditionally something that should be dealt with as sin, not something to be reported to the police”.
Giving evidence in defence of his son, he was asked what punishment would be issued for sexual abuse by the Charedi community. He said: “It would be seen he was never in a position to repeat such things. Safeguards would be put in place. Punishment would be a good dressing down by the Beth Din.”

…

Thankfully there were some sane voices:

In one letter, distributed to the Charedi community, Dayan Chanoch Erhentreu, former head of the London Beth Din, wrote in Hebrew that “in cases such as this religious Jews are obligated to use the full power of law to rid our community of such disgusting acts which crush people and families”.

402 Lord Of The Pies  May 22, 2015 10:15:55am

Ben “Douchebasket” Shapiro is having a freaking neltdown
He’s more full of anti-Semitism than he thinks POTUS is

403 Romantic Heretic  May 22, 2015 10:17:58am

re: #286 Lord Of The Pies

Oh and Ben: most Jews, and most liberals, think Woody Allen is a garbage person.

I put Woody Allen in the same category as Harlan Ellison.

A festering sebaceous cyst of a human being. Very good at what he does though.

404 Eventual Carrion  May 22, 2015 10:40:11am

re: #387 Feline Fearless Leader

I am sure the Supreme Court is shocked by this development.
///

It is all behind us, things have changed dramatically.

405 Jay C  May 22, 2015 10:50:24am

re: #402 Lord Of The Pies

Ben “Douchebasket” Shapiro is having a freaking neltdown
He’s more full of anti-Semitism than he thinks POTUS is

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I seem to have missed the latest wingnut “outrage” - what did President Obama say that got Shapiro’s undies in a twist? (as if much is needed….)


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