Trump's Praising Wikileaks Today, but in 2010 He Called for Them to Be Executed

Trump’s Praising Wikileaks Today, but in 2010 He Called for Them to Be Executed

Just one more 180 degree reversal from Pumpkin Pinochet

PoliticsJanuary 2017 • Views: 41,552

Early this morning, Donald Trump hauled his carcass out of his 2400-thread count Egyptian cotton sheets and while sitting on his solid gold toilet in the Trump Tower penthouse tweeted some ringing praise for Julian Assange and Wikileaks, his new best buddies.

Julian Assange said “a 14 year old could have hacked Podesta” - why was DNC so careless? Also said Russians did not give him the info!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 4, 2017

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But in 2010, when Wikileaks was publishing the documents stolen by Pfc. Bradley Manning (now Chelsea Manning), Trump was singing a very different tune. He said “there should be like death penalty or something.”

“I think it’s disgraceful, I think there should be like death penalty or something,” Trump said during the quick exchange uncovered online by CNN’s KFile.

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The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 12:18:02pm

HURR HURR IN 2008 OBUMBA SAID MARRIAGE SHOULD BE ONLY WITH A MAN & A WOMAN PWN3D LIBTARD!!!!! HE CHANGE HIS MIND JUST LIKE U LIBTARDS ALWAYS DO!!!!!!!

I Would Prefer Not To Jan 4, 2017 • 12:18:16pm

Makes sense. My guess is that Trump will praise a lot of people before he has them executed.

The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 12:20:17pm

The difference of course is that President Obama confronted his own prejudice and changed his opinion about marriage after a careful review of facts and evidence. Donald changes his “opinions” based on who flattered him recently.

lawhawk Jan 4, 2017 • 12:21:05pm

Either he has a very short term memory and forgot what his position was on Wikileaks and Assange, or he’s decided that Wikileaks is okay because he benefited from their actions personally.

Both options are awful for the rest of the nation and bodes poorly for the future of the nation.

Citizen K Jan 4, 2017 • 12:21:33pm

I’m amazed that CNN actually did the due diligence of looking at Trump’s past statements on Wikileaks. Most media has basically ceded their obligations and treated Trump like he had the divine right of kings with regards to what is ‘truth’ and ‘news.

wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 12:22:12pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

The difference of course is that President Obama confronted his own prejudice and changed his opinion about marriage after a careful review of facts and evidence. Donald changes his “opinions” based on who flattered him recently.

Obama ‘evolved’. Trump doesn’t believe in evolution. He went backstage for a costume change.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 4, 2017 • 12:22:42pm

“He was not a politician back then” seems to be the ongoing excuse for these massive cognitive dissonances.

The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 12:22:47pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Either he has a very short term memory and forgot what his position was on Wikileaks and Assange, or he’s decided that Wikileaks is okay because he benefited from their actions personally.

Both options are awful for the rest of the nation and bodes poorly for the future of the nation.

It doesn’t have to be one or the other. It’s both.

Citizen K Jan 4, 2017 • 12:24:30pm

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“He was not a politician back then” seems to be the ongoing excuse for these massive cognitive dissonances.

But ‘flip flopping’ killed Democratic campaigns once upon a time. Now, it’s a virtue apparently.

IOKIYAR is the only true law in this country, forever and anon.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Jan 4, 2017 • 12:24:49pm

re: #4 lawhawk

It’s very simple, Trump’s position will always be whatever Trump thinks benefits him most.

Then: the position played well with the rubes so he went with it

Now: Wikileaks actions benefited him so now he loves them.

This is the problem the press faces above all else. If they do their due diligence and report accurately Trump will go after them and unleash his flying monkeys. If they bend over he will sing their praises.

Scottishdragon Jan 4, 2017 • 12:25:22pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

Obama ‘evolved’. Trump doesn’t believe in evolution. He went backstage ~~for a costume change~~ to grope some random women in the green room.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 12:27:15pm

“The bill would slash in half funds Congress disburses to State for building, securing + maintaining embassies.”https://t.co/1KFfNjCeGN

— Nick Baumann (@NickBaumann) January 4, 2017

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Three Republican senators have introduced a bill that would force the president to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

The bill introduced Tuesday by Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida, Dean Heller of Nevada and Ted Cruz of Texas would remove the presidential waiver from the 1995 law passed by Congress recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and mandating the move from Tel Aviv.

Successive presidents have exercised the waiver every six months, most recently President Barack Obama in December. They cite national security reasons over concerns that a move would lead to Islamist and Arab nationalist attacks on Americans and their allies in the region.

The bill would slash in half the funds that Congress disburses to the State Department for building, securing and maintaining embassies until the embassy opens in Jerusalem.

wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 12:27:54pm

re: #11 Scottishdragon

That, too. Because he’s PEOTUS, so they ~~let him~~ can’t run fast enough.

Charles Johnson Jan 4, 2017 • 12:28:03pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Either he has a very short term memory and forgot what his position was on Wikileaks and Assange, or he’s decided that Wikileaks is okay because he benefited from their actions personally.

Both options are awful for the rest of the nation and bodes poorly for the future of the nation.

I’m really starting to put some credence in the idea that Trump may be suffering from Alzheimer’s. He has many of the classic symptoms, there’s a history of it in his family, and he’s at the age where it would start to become obvious.

Citizen K Jan 4, 2017 • 12:29:15pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Endangering American lives for the sake of a dumb symbolic move because the Rapture.

Because Trump & co. want that holy war sooner rather than later.

Sir John Barron Jan 4, 2017 • 12:29:23pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

The bill would slash in half the funds that Congress disburses to the State Department for building, securing and maintaining embassies until the embassy opens in Jerusalem.

I’m sure this reduction in security funding won’t endanger the lives of our diplomatic corps.

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The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 12:32:01pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I’m really starting to put some credence in the idea that Trump may be suffering from Alzheimer’s. He has many of the classic symptoms, there’s a history of it in his family, and he’s at the age where it would start to become obvious.

If you follow Propane Jane, she’s been providing evidence of Trump’s various pathologies and mental health evaluations. her opinion (based on being a clinical mental health professional) is that he has early onset Alzheimers which explains why one of his kids or Jared has to be in the room with him at all times, he has short term memory loss, and this is compounded by narcissistic personality disorder. PJ says that if he presented at her clinic she would order him hospitalized for possibility of endangering himself and others.

Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters Jan 4, 2017 • 12:34:17pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I’m really starting to put some credence in the idea that Lamarr may be suffering from Alzheimer’s. He has many of the classic symptoms, there’s a history of it in his family, and he’s at the age where it would start to become obvious.

Why else would someone who’s able to live like a king thanks to America try to tear it down? His mind declined to the point where Fox News became believable to him, which had to lead to disaster.

Bubblehead II Jan 4, 2017 • 12:37:44pm

Just a little snow (8 inches) today.

Belafon Jan 4, 2017 • 12:39:02pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

If you follow Propane Jane, she’s been providing evidence of Trump’s various pathologies and mental health evaluations. her opinion (based on being a clinical mental health professional) is that he has early onset Alzheimers which explains why one of his kids or Jared has to be in the room with him at all times, he has short term memory loss, and this is compounded by narcissistic personality disorder. PJ says that if he presented at her clinic she would order him hospitalized for possibility of endangering himself and others.

I wonder who will do his presidential physical?

Mike Lamb Jan 4, 2017 • 12:40:24pm

re: #16 Sir John Barron

I’m sure this reduction in security funding won’t endanger the lives of our diplomatic corps.

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Hillary’s fault.

KGxvi Jan 4, 2017 • 12:40:26pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I’m really starting to put some credence in the idea that Trump may be suffering from Alzheimer’s. He has many of the classic symptoms, there’s a history of it in his family, and he’s at the age where it would start to become obvious.

As president, he’s (probably) going to have real doctors. If he ends up showing signs of Alzheimer’s, shit’s going to get real, fast.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 12:40:42pm

The astonishingly petty ex-Gov. McCrory’s team refused to give the new governor access to the @GovOfficeNC account, so @NC_Governor is born.

— Elizabeth West (@Limeylizzie) January 4, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 12:41:33pm

McConnell says GOP will repeal Obamacare now, and deal with replacing it “a little bit later.” So far, that means in 3-4 years.

— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) January 4, 2017

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PhillyPretzel Jan 4, 2017 • 12:41:36pm

re: #20 Belafon

The same “doctor” who filled out those forms for him in a few minutes. You know the one who said I do not care what happens to him.

The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 12:41:56pm

re: #20 Belafon

I wonder who will do his presidential physical?

That crazy guy who looks like the mad scientist in Independence Day

Mike Lamb Jan 4, 2017 • 12:42:02pm

re: #20 Belafon

I wonder who will do his presidential physical?

Doesn’t matter. He’s under a routine audit. He’ll release the results of the physical once the audit is done…

The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 12:42:18pm

The dismantling of the Affordable Health Care Act could impact virtually ALL Americans 😞 https://t.co/WB4rw2sMFx

— Teen Vogue (@TeenVogue) January 4, 2017

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OH HAI @CNN @Reuters @ABC @AP Here is some actual Journalism while you are on your knees. https://t.co/zlSFxgxNfJ

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 4, 2017

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Mike Lamb Jan 4, 2017 • 12:43:34pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My shocked face is tired…

wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 12:45:37pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

If you follow Propane Jane, she’s been providing evidence of Trump’s various pathologies and mental health evaluations. her opinion (based on being a clinical mental health professional) is that he has early onset Alzheimers which explains why one of his kids or Jared has to be in the room with him at all times, he has short term memory loss, and this is compounded by narcissistic personality disorder. PJ says that if he presented at her clinic she would order him hospitalized for possibility of endangering himself and others.

I think it’s regular onset of early symptoms. ‘Early onset’ is when it hits in one’s 40s or 50s.

Eclectic Cyborg Jan 4, 2017 • 12:45:48pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

Christ, that could set up 100 more Benghazis.

TedStriker Jan 4, 2017 • 12:45:50pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Either he has a very short term memory and forgot what his position was on Wikileaks and Assange, or he’s decided that Wikileaks is okay because he benefited from their actions personally.

Both options are awful for the rest of the nation and bodes poorly for the future of the nation.

I’d say it’s “both of the above.”

Bubblehead II Jan 4, 2017 • 12:45:50pm

re: #20 Belafon

I wonder who will do his presidential physical?

The Doctors at Bethesda Naval Hospital I would assume.

lawhawk Jan 4, 2017 • 12:46:24pm

re: #22 KGxvi

As president, he’s (probably) going to have real doctors. If he ends up showing signs of Alzheimer’s, shit’s going to get real, fast.

You’d think… except that knowing everything we know about the Trump cabal, they’ll try to avoid any admission that Donny’s suffering from Alzheimers and has been for years - especially during the campaign when he’d lie and forget what he said minutes ago.

His followers wouldn’t care (and would promptly state with glee that a guy with Alzheimers beat Clinton).

While you’d also think that the docs at Walter Reed would be the ones caring for him, I’m not sure that is a requirement and the president could find his own personal docs to bury any evidence that he’s ~~shot~~ suffering from a debilitating illness.

It would take an admission that he’s suffering from mental illness or Alzheimers for the 25th (Clause 4) to kick in - pushing Pence to the forefront as acting POTUS.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 12:46:58pm

Why am I not surprised Trump’s press conference (if it happens) is the same day six of his nominees are getting grilled by Senate Dems?

— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) January 4, 2017

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Also, if there are six Senate confirmation hearings on one day, I guess each hearing will have like 3 senators in it?

— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) January 4, 2017

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Belafon Jan 4, 2017 • 12:47:28pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wonder what the insurance industry is going to do about the loss of 20M people? Even if they no longer have to follow the 80% rule, they’re not going to make that up in a year or three.

Sir John Barron Jan 4, 2017 • 12:48:14pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

McConnell says GOP will repeal Obamacare now, and deal with replacing it “a little bit later.” So far, that means ~~in 3-4 years~~ never.

— Jennifer Bendery

Fixed that for you, Jennifer.

The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 12:48:19pm

re: #34 lawhawk

You’d think… except that knowing everything we know about the Trump cabal, they’ll try to avoid any admission that Donny’s suffering from Alzheimers and has been for years - especially during the campaign when he’d lie and forget what he said minutes ago.

His followers wouldn’t care (and would promptly state with glee that a guy with Alzheimers beat Clinton).

While you’d also think that the docs at Walter Reed would be the ones caring for him, I’m not sure that is a requirement and the president could find his own personal docs to bury any evidence that he’s shot.

It would take an admission that he’s suffering from mental illness or Alzheimers for the 25th (Clause 4) to kick in - pushing Pence to the forefront as acting POTUS.

Reagan had Alzheimers during his second term and his people covered up for him for 4 years. But I don’t think Trump’s people are that competent.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 12:48:32pm

re: #36 Belafon

I wonder what the insurance industry is going to do about the loss of 20M people? Even if they no longer have to follow the 80% rule, they’re not going to make that up in a year or three.

Raise premiums and cut coverage for those who still have insurance.

Eclectic Cyborg Jan 4, 2017 • 12:48:53pm

re: #36 Belafon

Oh I am sure President Trump will bail them out.

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Sir John Barron Jan 4, 2017 • 12:49:23pm

re: #36 Belafon

I wonder what the insurance industry is going to do about the loss of 20M people? Even if they no longer have to follow the 80% rule, they’re not going to make that up in a year or three.

I think it’s probably a bit less than 20 million insured, as some of those are covered by Medicaid, IIRC. But yes, stands to reason they will lose some business.

Eclectic Cyborg Jan 4, 2017 • 12:49:38pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Raise premiums and cut coverage for those who still have insurance.

Yep and the GOP will blame the whole fucking mess on Barack Obama.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 12:49:43pm

McConnell: “The American people simply will not tolerate” Democrats blocking Trump’s SCOTUS nominee https://t.co/9b6sqFrQTM

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) January 4, 2017

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You guys once said if Hillary were elected, you’d block the nomination for 4 more years — so have a seat, @SenateMajLdr. Have several seats. https://t.co/aBofoF03f5

— shauna (@goldengateblond) January 4, 2017

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Jan 4, 2017 • 12:50:11pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

Reagan had Alzheimers during his second term and his people covered up for him for 4 years. But I don’t think Trump’s people are that competent.

Plus the Evangelical wing would lust for a President Pence.

Pun very deliberately intended.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 4, 2017 • 12:50:13pm

re: #36 Belafon

I wonder what the insurance industry is going to do about the loss of 20M people? Even if they no longer have to follow the 80% rule, they’re not going to make that up in a year or three.

Oh, but it’ll be fine because all these doctors are going to come back now that they don’t have to deal with all this awful paperwork related to patient visits that was just driving them out of practice.

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KGxvi Jan 4, 2017 • 12:50:14pm

re: #34 lawhawk

You’d think… except that knowing everything we know about the Trump cabal, they’ll try to avoid any admission that Donny’s suffering from Alzheimers and has been for years - especially during the campaign when he’d lie and forget what he said minutes ago.

His followers wouldn’t care (and would promptly state with glee that a guy with Alzheimers beat Clinton).

While you’d also think that the docs at Walter Reed would be the ones caring for him, I’m not sure that is a requirement and the president could find his own personal docs to bury any evidence that he’s shot.

It would take an admission that he’s suffering from mental illness or Alzheimers for the 25th (Clause 4) to kick in - pushing Pence to the forefront as acting POTUS.

It all depends on who gets appointed Physician to the President. Typically it is a doctor in the military (those in private practice don’t like the idea of having to shut down their practice for 4-8 years). The last time a non-military doctor held the position was during the first Bush Administration - and he was assisted by an Army doctor in running the White House Medical Office.

Big Beautiful Door Jan 4, 2017 • 12:50:24pm

re: #36 Belafon

I wonder what the insurance industry is going to do about the loss of 20M people? Even if they no longer have to follow the 80% rule, they’re not going to make that up in a year or three.

A lot of those will be sick people they don’t want to cover, and they’ll offer barebones policies that cover almost nothing to young, healthy people.

wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 12:51:02pm

McConnell: “The American people simply will not tolerate” Democrats blocking Trump’s SCOTUS nominee https://t.co/9b6sqFrQTM

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) January 4, 2017

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Turns out…this isn’t true. https://t.co/GYD9VExXXw

— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) January 4, 2017

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The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 12:51:48pm

re: #44 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Plus the Evangelical wing would lust for a President Pence.

Pun very deliberately intended.

I think I would actually prefer a President Pence because he is not insane enough to launch a worldwide nuclear holocaust with a Tweet.

The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 12:52:34pm

re: #45 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, but it’ll be fine because all these doctors are going to come back now that they don’t have to deal with all this awful paperwork related to patient visits that was just driving them out of practice.

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They’ll all accept chickens as payment!

PhillyPretzel Jan 4, 2017 • 12:52:51pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

He also has a better idea of how gov’t is run.

Belafon Jan 4, 2017 • 12:53:13pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

I think I would actually prefer a President Pence because he is not insane enough to launch a worldwide nuclear holocaust with a Tweet.

Yep. If we’re going to get Pence’s evangelism anyway, I’d prefer it without a war.

Mike Lamb Jan 4, 2017 • 12:53:24pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s a real fucking quote? It just turned to 2017, I can’t run out of evens this early.

Kragar Jan 4, 2017 • 12:54:26pm

2013: BENGHAZI!
2014: BENGHAZI!
2015: BENGHAZI!
2016: BENGHAZI!
2017: We’re going to slash the security budget for all our embassies.

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 4, 2017

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lawhawk Jan 4, 2017 • 12:54:51pm

re: #41 Sir John Barron

It’s actually at least 20 million, because the Medicaid expansion is integral to the ACA (and was part of the GOP lawsuits that ultimately decided that the expansion was optional for the states, and the marketplaces could be run by the feds, instead of by the individual states).

Myron Falwell (no relation) Jan 4, 2017 • 12:55:04pm

re: #46 KGxvi

It all depends on who gets appointed Physician to the President. Typically it is a doctor in the military (those in private practice don’t like the idea of having to shut down their practice for 4-8 years). The last time a non-military doctor held the position was during the first Bush Administration - and he was assisted by an Army doctor in running the White House Medical Office.

“Hold my beer, I got this!”

Charles Johnson Jan 4, 2017 • 12:56:44pm

Exclusive: Fox News Actually Offered Megyn Kelly $100 Million Package to Stay https://t.co/R5qh24No54 (By @RStockmanLAW) pic.twitter.com/u1O6DxOtBL

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) January 4, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 12:56:48pm

re: #54 Kragar

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Typical GOP.

Mike Lamb Jan 4, 2017 • 12:57:37pm

re: #54 Kragar

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We’re going to slash security funding as part of an effort that will increase odds of an attack.

And also, too, as well—are they trying to make working in State as unattractive as possible. Gee—let’s play political football with the safety and security of our embassy personnel world wide over a fucking Rapture fantasy. These gaping, festering ass pustules…

Big Beautiful Door Jan 4, 2017 • 12:57:42pm

re: #55 lawhawk

It’s actually at least 20 million, because the Medicaid expansion is integral to the ACA (and was part of the GOP lawsuits that ultimately decided that the expansion was optional for the states, and the marketplaces could be run by the feds, instead of by the individual states).

I’ve seen up to 30 million could lose coverage. But don’t worry, Trump has promised that if you like your insurance you can keep it.

wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 12:58:19pm

@CNNPolitics trump shouldn’t have the ability to nominate anyone so close to the 2020 election

— frank (@fritzco64) January 4, 2017

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Charles Johnson Jan 4, 2017 • 12:59:45pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Trump’s cult members would promptly declare that having Alzheimer’s makes him EVEN MOAR qualified to make America great again. MAGA!

Timothy Watson Jan 4, 2017 • 1:00:32pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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Too bad I have too many scruples to be become a RWNJ talking head.

(Having the looks for radio and the voice for print probably doesn’t help admittedly.)

Charles Johnson Jan 4, 2017 • 1:00:54pm

Exclusive: Fox News Actually Offered Megyn Kelly $100 Million Package to Stay https://t.co/R5qh24No54 (By @RStockmanLAW) pic.twitter.com/u1O6DxOtBL

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) January 4, 2017

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters Jan 4, 2017 • 1:00:55pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Lamarr’s cult members would promptly declare that having Alzheimer’s makes him EVEN MOAR qualified to make America great again. MAGA!

It would make him more like his brainless supporters. He can’t remember anything, just like us!

HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 1:01:23pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

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Predictable projecting crap from a crap party.

Sir John Barron Jan 4, 2017 • 1:01:26pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

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Also, 2017 is an election year somewhere. Let the people decide.

The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 1:01:55pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Trump’s cult members would promptly declare that having Alzheimer’s makes him EVEN MOAR qualified to make America great again. MAGA!

HE IS TEH SECOND COMING OF RONALD REAGAN RONALDUS MAGNUS TEH GREATEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIMES1!!!!!11 #DONALDISRONALD

HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 1:02:20pm

re: #67 Sir John Barron

Also, 2017 is an election year somewhere. Let the people decide.

It’s true. Us and New Jersey have governor elections.

Scottishdragon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:02:28pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Trump’s cult members would promptly declare that having Alzheimer’s makes him EVEN MOAR qualified to make America great again. MAGA!

Make America Drool Again.

Mike Lamb Jan 4, 2017 • 1:02:34pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Predictable projecting crap from a crap party.

I still don’t know how McConnell can say something like that and not be laughed back to the Stone Age.

Targetpractice Jan 4, 2017 • 1:03:56pm

re: #19 Bubblehead II

Just a little snow (8 inches) today.

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Be on the lookout for snow angels…

Scottishdragon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:04:00pm

re: #71 Mike Lamb

I still don’t know how McConnell can say something like that and not be laughed back to the Stone Age.

Always remember that Republicans can reverse themselves without warning (we are against whatever the dems want after all!) and say anything shamelessly.

Scottishdragon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:04:28pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

Be on the lookout for snow angels…

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Dr Who weeping angel…even worse.

Eclectic Cyborg Jan 4, 2017 • 1:05:09pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

The amount of money these people make off their hatred disgusts me.

lawhawk Jan 4, 2017 • 1:05:35pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

Weeping Angels might save the day for us… if the GOP truly wants to return the nation to the 1940s (or 1840s), the Weeping Angels could do it for them - without taking the rest of us with them on their regressive rampage restricting our civil and human rights.

Mike Lamb Jan 4, 2017 • 1:06:01pm

re: #73 Scottishdragon

Always remember that Republicans can reverse themselves without warning (we are against whatever the dems want after all!) and say anything shamelessly.

Usually they have the common decency to let a couple of years pass before flip flopping.

Edit: If I was a Dem senator that participates in the filibuster of Trump’s SCOTUS nominee, every answer to the question about the filibuster would be “Merrick Garland”. People would think Marshawn Lynch had been elected to the Senate.

Eclectic Cyborg Jan 4, 2017 • 1:06:09pm

Could the Dems potentially regain control of the House next year?

stpaulbear Jan 4, 2017 • 1:06:21pm

re: #22 KGxvi

As president, he’s (probably) going to have real doctors. If he ends up showing signs of Alzheimer’s, shit’s going to get real, fast.

Heck, if they say so much as ‘he’s overweight’, he’ll throw a hissy fit, launch a Twitter war, and never go back to them again.

The Vicious Babushka Jan 4, 2017 • 1:06:50pm

tfw the GOP realizes just how difficult actually replacing Obamacare will be pic.twitter.com/pvUD0zkeSV

— Adrianna McIntyre (@onceuponA) January 4, 2017

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Big Beautiful Door Jan 4, 2017 • 1:07:00pm

re: #78 Eclectic Cyborg

Could the Dems potentially regain control of the House next year?

Probably not.

Timothy Watson Jan 4, 2017 • 1:07:16pm

Have I mentioned that I loath Bob Marshall recently?

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Weaselone Jan 4, 2017 • 1:09:02pm

re: #81 Big Beautiful Door

And yet the odds are probably better than our chance of regaining control of the Senate.

Targetpractice Jan 4, 2017 • 1:09:03pm

2009-2016: “ADVISE AND CONSENT!!!”

2017: “The president is supposed to get his nominees approved without issue! How dare they try to drag out the confirmation hearings?!”

Belafon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:09:14pm

re: #78 Eclectic Cyborg

Could the Dems potentially regain control of the House next year?

Yes, they potentially could. It’s going to take a lot of work.

Eclectic Cyborg Jan 4, 2017 • 1:09:38pm

re: #81 Big Beautiful Door

Probably not.

Damn.

Kragar Jan 4, 2017 • 1:09:38pm

Trump’s “plan”
1) Skip intel briefings/gut security
2) Get Americans killed
3) Declare war
4) Demands everyone stand behind him for “unity”

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 4, 2017

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Belafon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:09:58pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

2009-2016: “ADVISE AND CONSENT!!!”

2017: “The president is supposed to get his nominees approved without issue! How dare they try to drag out the confirmation hearings?!”

Advise and Concent was more Advise and Refuse.

wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 1:10:01pm

re: #80 The Vicious Babushka

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I love that video. I always keep it in mind when my cats hang out while I’m in the tub.

ObserverArt Jan 4, 2017 • 1:10:38pm

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“He was not a politician back then” seems to be the ongoing excuse for these massive cognitive dissonances.

And he is not a politician now. He is a lying con artist…and that is all he ever will be.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 1:12:56pm

Trump to Kill Obamacare With Executive Orders on Day One https://t.co/BhyEmwuMv9 #twibdocket

— Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) January 4, 2017

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No replacement for a minimum of 6 months. This dude is literally, not figuratively, literally fucking with people’s lives. https://t.co/fwGwxFuXmd

— Elon James White (@elonjames) January 4, 2017

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GlutenFreeJesus Jan 4, 2017 • 1:13:04pm

re: #2 I Would Prefer Not To

Makes sense. My guess is that Trump will praise a lot of people before he has them executed.

Actually… He’d praise people who he formally called to be executed if they end up supporting him.

Flying Squirrel Girl Jan 4, 2017 • 1:13:35pm

re: #87 Kragar

Worked for Bush/Cheney.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 1:14:33pm

On 60 Minutes Trump said he wants to keep the part of the ACA that covers “kids who live with their parents.” This doesn’t exist. Idiot.

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 4, 2017

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Belafon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:15:17pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump Voter: But we want to keep our health care.
Trump: Look, I never promised I would take care of you. I only promised to make as much money as I could.
Trump Voter: But draining the swamp?!
Trump: I never promised that, and even if I did, I didn’t.

ObserverArt Jan 4, 2017 • 1:17:18pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

The bill would slash in half the funds that Congress disburses to the State Department for building, securing and maintaining embassies until the embassy opens in Jerusalem.

So, say something happens to the embassy in Tel Aviv because the budget was cut, like a bombing or other terrorist attack, who thinks the GOP would investigate it with the verve they went after Hillary and Obama regarding Benghazi?

I think I know that answer.

Sir John Barron Jan 4, 2017 • 1:17:18pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump to Kill Obamacare With Executive Orders on Day One thedailybeast.com #twibdocket

— Imani Gandy

I thought only evil dictator presidents relied on executive orders?

Timothy Watson Jan 4, 2017 • 1:18:32pm

re: #97 Sir John Barron

I thought only evil dictator presidents relied on executive orders?

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EOs are okay if you’re white.

Belafon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:19:35pm

re: #97 Sir John Barron

I thought only evil dictator presidents relied on executive orders?

/

We finally elected one.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Jan 4, 2017 • 1:19:44pm

re: #74 Scottishdragon

Dr Who weeping angel…even worse.

Don’t blink.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 1:22:41pm

Heritage Foundation president Jim DeMint, on @CNN now, dismissing Obamacare statistics as “fake news.” The statistics came from CBO.

— Jonathan Cohn (@CitizenCohn) January 4, 2017

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Scottishdragon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:22:49pm

re: #100 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Don’t blink.

Put a bunch of mirrors around it…

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ObserverArt Jan 4, 2017 • 1:23:20pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

Reagan had Alzheimers during his second term and his people covered up for him for 4 years. But I don’t think Trump’s people are that competent.

And people know a lot more about Alzheimers than they did then. It will be tough to cover it up. But they will try, his whole visage is a cover-up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 1:24:26pm

Not often discussed by Obama or the Dems: Even if you don’t have an ACA policy, your insurance is vastly better than it was pre-ACA. Vastly.

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 4, 2017

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This is true

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Kragar Jan 4, 2017 • 1:24:42pm

My one wish: Henry Rollins volunteers to perform for the Inauguration, just comes out and sings “Liar”, gives Trump the finger, and leaves

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 4, 2017

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Big Beautiful Door Jan 4, 2017 • 1:25:20pm

re: #83 Weaselone

And yet the odds are probably better than our chance of regaining control of the Senate.

I don’t rule out the GOP winning a filibuster proof majority in the Senate in 2018.

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Big Beautiful Door Jan 4, 2017 • 1:27:16pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn.

Think of it this way; things would have to get really bad really fast for the Dems to win the House in 2018, and I’d prefer we get to enjoy Obama generated prosperity for a little while longer than that.

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 1:27:38pm

re: #19 Bubblehead II

Just a little snow (8 inches) today.

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Snowing like mad here. I started out to drive my wife to the doctor for her appointment, got as far as the railroad (four blocks) over snow-covered roads, said “nope, a routine doctor visit is not worth sixty miles one way for this” (and it’s supposed to snow all day). Came home, called the doc, cancelled the appointment. Doc was understanding about our situation out here in the hinterlands.

Since I still had to shovel the dirt back into my cyclone cellar after the flood from the plumbing break during our trip to California to get the inner door closed, I borrowed a coal shovel from my neighbour to do it. (The basement is still a bit muddy, but the flood is gone now.)

Managed to get the door shovelled out so I could close it. After paying $1,800 to get our plumbing repaired last week, braving the cold to secure that door didn’t seem like such a bad thing to me.

Tonight’s low: -4F. Tomorrow night’s low: -14. Night after: -8. I guess winter is here.
forecast.weather.gov

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 1:28:22pm

re: #22 KGxvi

As president, he’s (probably) going to have real doctors. If he ends up showing signs of Alzheimer’s, shit’s going to get real, fast.

Like it did for Ronald Reagan?

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GlutenFreeJesus Jan 4, 2017 • 1:29:00pm

re: #108 Anymouse

Snowing like mad here. I started out to drive my wife to the doctor for her appointment, got as far as the railroad (four blocks) over snow-covered roads, said “nope, a routine doctor visit is not worth sixty miles one way for this” (and it’s supposed to snow all day). Came home, called the doc, cancelled the appointment. Doc was understanding about our situation out here in the hinterlands.

Since I still had to shovel the dirt back into my cyclone cellar after the flood from the plumbing break during our trip to California to get the inner door closed, I borrowed a coal shovel from my neighbour to do it. (The basement is still a bit muddy, but the flood is gone now.)

Managed to get the door shovelled out so I could close it. After paying $1,800 to get our plumbing repaired last week, braving the cold to secure that door didn’t seem like such a bad thing to me.

Tonight’s low: -4F. Tomorrow night’s low: -14. Night after: -8. I guess winter is here.
forecast.weather.gov

Please stop… you’re not THAT far north. ;)

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Belafon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:29:17pm

re: #109 Anymouse

Like it did for Ronald Reagan?

Reagan didn’t have a twitter account.

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lawhawk Jan 4, 2017 • 1:29:32pm

re: #105 Kragar

Rollins Band - Liar ‌‌ - Bohemia Afterdark

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HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 1:29:33pm

re: #82 Timothy Watson

Have I mentioned that I loath Bob Marshall recently?

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Bob Marshall: focused on important stuff.//

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ObserverArt Jan 4, 2017 • 1:30:56pm

re: #71 Mike Lamb

I still don’t know how McConnell can say something like that and not be laughed back to the Stone Age.

Contact Mitch and let him know. I sure did…just a few minutes ago.

https://www.mcconnell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contactform

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makeitstop Jan 4, 2017 • 1:31:40pm

re: #109 Anymouse

Like it did for Ronald Reagan?

As was pointed out earlier, Reagan’s people were competent.

Trump’s putting in sycophants and people who know nothing about much else besides kissing the boss’ ass. Big difference there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 1:32:07pm

Tillerson makes rounds on Captiol Hill, seeks support for confirmation as secretary of state https://t.co/5JdUeKiaS1 #hounews

— Matt Schwartz (@SchwartzChron) January 4, 2017

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Following a more than hour-long meeting with Tillerson Wednesday, Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., the ranking Democrat of the Foreign Relations committee, told reporters the two had a “very candid” discussion” that touched on subjects including Russia and climate change.

“Obviously he did business with Russia and was able to get things done there,” Cardin said. “That’s going to get a great deal of attention during the confirmation process. Russia is not a friend of the United States.”

In a much anticipated meeting, Tillerson is also expected to sit down later Wednesday with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Along with Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., McCain has raised questions around Tillerson’s relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Asked Wednesday whether he could support Tillerson’s nomination, McCain told reporters, “Sure. There’s also a realistic scenario that pigs fly.”

my bold

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Sir John Barron Jan 4, 2017 • 1:32:21pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heritage Foundation president Jim DeMint

Almost keep forgetting about this dude. Up to his same old bag of tricks, I see.

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Charles Johnson Jan 4, 2017 • 1:32:40pm

McConnell: “The American people simply will not tolerate” Democrats blocking Trump’s SCOTUS nominee https://t.co/9b6sqFrQTM

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) January 4, 2017

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@CNNPolitics Hypocrisy so massive it warps time and space into a right wing black hole. https://t.co/JIcnDnFOOg

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 4, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 1:33:30pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

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No kidding. McConnell is a hypocritical lying piece of shit.

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Kragar Jan 4, 2017 • 1:33:35pm

Its obvious Trumps has serious issues, what could it be?

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 4, 2017

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ObserverArt Jan 4, 2017 • 1:33:52pm

re: #80 The Vicious Babushka

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Lizard: “Stupid Cat.”

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HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 1:34:08pm

re: #120 Kragar

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All of them Katie.

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 1:37:35pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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my bold

I’m going to name this photo “Going to hell in a hand basket.” #StopGlobalWarming https://t.co/IngdITsJT5

— Sanho Tree (@SanhoTree) January 4, 2017

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Yup. That’s Rex Tillerson in my local Safeway shopping like a plebeian. His security guy is about 20 paces behind him. pic.twitter.com/9ptVGo8dBE

— Sanho Tree (@SanhoTree) January 4, 2017

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Pro tip: If you’re being criticized for your Russian connections, it’s best to avoid the store locals have always called “Soviet Safeway”! https://t.co/40FRZPhxUp

— Sanho Tree (@SanhoTree) January 4, 2017

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Timothy Watson Jan 4, 2017 • 1:38:59pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

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Not going to crush those unions by shopping at Safeway.

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 1:40:24pm

re: #124 Timothy Watson

Not going to crush those unions by shopping at Safeway.

Perhaps especially the ‘Soviet Safeway’.

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 1:40:41pm

re: #110 GlutenFreeJesus

Please stop… you’re not THAT far north. ;)

Global Warming is a myth!! It’s snowing in Nebraska in the winter!!

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HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 1:41:30pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

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Propaganda sure doesn’t even try that hard anymore does it?

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 1:42:02pm

re: #115 makeitstop

As was pointed out earlier, Reagan’s people were competent.

Trump’s putting in sycophants and people who know nothing about much else besides kissing the boss’ ass. Big difference there.

As I recall, more of Reagan’s people were either charged with or convicted of corrupt practices than any previous president. Oliver North and John Poindexter were certainly not competent (they got caught).

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Bubblehead II Jan 4, 2017 • 1:42:59pm

re: #98 Timothy Watson

EOs are okay if you’re white.

And republican. Any other combo is baaaaaad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 1:43:03pm

Fact: Sen GOP’s budget resolution calls for a national debt of $29T by 2026. That’s $10T higher than right now. Pg6: https://t.co/1YygATjjZw

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 4, 2017

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The resolution, approved by every Republican except Rand, also calls for a budget deficit of $728B by the end of Trump’s first term. Hawks! https://t.co/AW2ge9FzZW

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 4, 2017

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thedopefishlives Jan 4, 2017 • 1:44:24pm

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful, frigid wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk as I try to keep warm against the bitter winds blowing south of the Wall?

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makeitstop Jan 4, 2017 • 1:46:57pm

re: #128 Anymouse

As I recall, more of Reagan’s people were either charged with or convicted of corrupt practices than any previous president. Oliver North and John Poindexter were certainly not competent (they got caught).

Corruption aside, Reagan’s people had a working knowledge of how government works.

Reagan’s people, corruption and all, tower above Trump’s in terms of actually being able to run the White House.

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HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 1:47:45pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And then when the debt goes up, they’ll blame the left.

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 1:48:14pm

re: #131 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful, frigid wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk as I try to keep warm against the bitter winds blowing south of the Wall?

I saw buds on a tree on my way to work this morning.

I’ll shut up now.

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Belafon Jan 4, 2017 • 1:49:10pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

And then when the debt goes up, they’ll blame the left.

They’ll only blame the left if we regain control. Otherwise, debt is no big deal.

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danarchy Jan 4, 2017 • 1:50:10pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey Obama doubled it so if Trump only adds 50% he is making progress

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thedopefishlives Jan 4, 2017 • 1:51:21pm

re: #134 wrenchwench

I saw buds on a tree on my way to work this morning.

I’ll shut up now.

It was 0 degrees F on my way home from work. Beautiful clear day - but those are always the coldest.

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts) Jan 4, 2017 • 1:51:55pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I’m really starting to put some credence in the idea that Trump may be suffering from Alzheimer’s. He has many of the classic symptoms, there’s a history of it in his family, and he’s at the age where it would start to become obvious.

Thank you. I broached that possibility here months ago, and was yelled at for indulging in long-distance psychological diagnosis.

But yeah. Read the symptoms of early-onset dementia. Then listen to Trump talking and watch his behavior.

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HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 1:52:59pm

re: #135 Belafon

They’ll only blame the left if we regain control. Otherwise, debt is no big deal.

True.

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 1:53:17pm

Dear sources: If you try to convince me that “it’s not a story,” that makes me think it probably is.

— Marie C. Baca (@mariecbaca) January 4, 2017

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Sorry sources. It’s a story. https://t.co/K7MvbF77MY

— Russell Contreras (@RussContreras) January 4, 2017

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There are journalists out there…

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Charles Johnson Jan 4, 2017 • 1:54:01pm

EVERYBODY SHUT UP MY NOSE IS NOT COLD TO THE TOUCH HOW WOULD YOU EVEN KNOW THAT

— NOT A WOLF (@SICKOFWOLVES) January 4, 2017

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gocart mozart Jan 4, 2017 • 1:54:12pm

@Moo57556470 @andylassner pic.twitter.com/ObkBNlKwxU

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) January 4, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 1:54:19pm

POTUS just resubmitted nominations for inspectors general at the OPM, the Pentagon, the SSA and the NSA. Previously: https://t.co/MMsm7O13G7

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) January 4, 2017

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blueraven Jan 4, 2017 • 1:54:36pm

re: #136 danarchy

Hey Obama doubled it so if Trump only adds 50% he is making progress

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You use sarc but republicans will repeat that lie, even tho most of that debt is due to GW Bush policies.

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Bubblehead II Jan 4, 2017 • 2:02:50pm

re: #108 Anymouse

Snowing like mad here. I started out to drive my wife to the doctor for her appointment, got as far as the railroad (four blocks) over snow-covered roads, said “nope, a routine doctor visit is not worth sixty miles one way for this” (and it’s supposed to snow all day). Came home, called the doc, cancelled the appointment. Doc was understanding about our situation out here in the hinterlands.

Since I still had to shovel the dirt back into my cyclone cellar after the flood from the plumbing break during our trip to California to get the inner door closed, I borrowed a coal shovel from my neighbour to do it. (The basement is still a bit muddy, but the flood is gone now.)

Managed to get the door shovelled out so I could close it. After paying $1,800 to get our plumbing repaired last week, braving the cold to secure that door didn’t seem like such a bad thing to me.

Tonight’s low: -4F. Tomorrow night’s low: -14. Night after: -8. I guess winter is here.
forecast.weather.gov

Starting to pick up here again. Looks like we’re going to get a few more inches before all is said and done. Friday morning is going to be a a bit nippy on the way to the bus stop.
Thursday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around -6. Wind chill values between -9 and -19. South wind 3 to 7 mph.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 4, 2017 • 2:06:01pm

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And fuck the GOP for what they’re trying to do to healthcare.

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makeitstop Jan 4, 2017 • 2:06:18pm

re: #145 Bubblehead II

Starting to pick up here again. Looks like we’re going to get a few more inches before all is said and done. Friday morning is going to be a a bit nippy on the way to the bus stop.
Thursday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around -6. Wind chill values between -9 and -19. South wind 3 to 7 mph.

They’re hedging on whether we’re going to get a lot of snow in the NYC area - they’re saying 1 to 3 inches, but leaving open the possibility for more.

The one guarantee is that it’s gonna get cold.

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 2:06:32pm

Homeowner’s insurance agent just called.

They have approved the entire plumbing bill, less our $1,000 deductible. In addition, they are waiting on an estimate for levelling our cellar floor, and when they get that, they will send additional money. (The cheque is in the mail for the plumbing today.)

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BlueGrl21 Jan 4, 2017 • 2:07:11pm

Wait.

My company just signed us all up for our usual employer insurance. Rates and coverage for 2017 are locked. I know every other company on the planet with employer-provided health insurance has done the same.

So, repealing Obamacare right now has no value whatsoever in 2017 for those already insured. This is done. Our coverage offerings, deductibles, etc are set for 12 months.

It will give NO BENEFIT to us to repeal it right now. It simply means people who already rely on the ACA for coverage, some of the sickest of us, will suffer for absolutely no good reason. Trying to kill the ACA at the beginning of this administration benefits absolutely no one. Including insurance companies. They will LOSE business without being able to reduce services for their pool of insured. The contracts for 2017 are signed.

This is pure political theater with no real benefit to Americans, no matter where we sit on the socioeconomic spectrum. None.

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Timothy Watson Jan 4, 2017 • 2:08:34pm

re: #149 BlueGrl21

It simply means people who already rely on the ACA for coverage, some of the sickest of us, will suffer for absolutely no good reason.

That’s the point.

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 2:09:10pm

re: #146 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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And fuck the GOP for what they’re trying to do to healthcare.

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Sir John Barron Jan 4, 2017 • 2:10:41pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 2:11:10pm

re: #134 wrenchwench

I saw buds on a tree on my way to work this morning.

I’ll shut up now.

You have a weed tree? /s

My wife said it sounded like I was burying someone in the cellar when I was shovelling the dirt back into it from the stoop of the inner door.

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 2:13:12pm

Hawky things are only supposed to be wet on the inside. Now we have to dry you off and fill you with mouse parts. pic.twitter.com/02DYepmKrQ

— Officer Edith (@OfficerEdith) January 4, 2017

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electrotek Jan 4, 2017 • 2:14:56pm

Very rare for an entertainer to have bestowed such an honorable gift:

Techno is finally getting the recognition and respect it deserves. https://t.co/8QQfgnEjQS

— FACT (@FACTmag) January 4, 2017

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BlueGrl21 Jan 4, 2017 • 2:15:04pm

re: #150 Timothy Watson

That’s the point.

I will be very intrigued to know how many Trump voters and/or Republican voters will lose ACA coverage. The older voters have Medicare. I’m not sure repealing ACA will have much impact on Trump voters, though some will get hit…Kentucky comes to mind. It’s when Paul Ryan starts going after Medicare that the shit will hit the fan on the “but we trusted you, Donald!” side.

I can’t believe they’re stupid enough to cause this level of chaos this early. I thought there’s no way they’d repeal it without an alternative plan. Nope, they’re that stupid.

This country is going to tear itself apart and it needs to. Too many people were asleep while the Republicans crept into power and now they get to wake up to a tarantula on their face. I have all the faith in the world that the Republicans will overreach so badly that they will go down like a demon under Kali’s sword.

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sagehen Jan 4, 2017 • 2:16:53pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

Reagan had Alzheimers during his second term and his people covered up for him for 4 years. But I don’t think Trump’s people are that competent.

Except Reagan having Alzheimers was maybe not such a problem, since GHWB knew what the hell he was doing and Nancy trusted him enough to let him do it.

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thedopefishlives Jan 4, 2017 • 2:17:38pm

re: #157 sagehen

Except Reagan having Alzheimers was maybe not such a problem, since GHWB knew what the hell he was doing and Nancy trusted him enough to let him do it.

Instead, we have President Drumpf von Fuckstick, and his band of merry dumbshits.

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Timothy Watson Jan 4, 2017 • 2:17:41pm

re: #157 sagehen

Except Reagan having Alzheimers was maybe not such a problem, since GHWB knew what the hell he was doing and Nancy trusted him enough to let him do it.

Iran-Contra?

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The Mountain That Blogs Jan 4, 2017 • 2:19:00pm

re: #156 BlueGrl21

healthinsurance.org

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gocart mozart Jan 4, 2017 • 2:25:57pm

Finally something I can agree with Trump on… pic.twitter.com/7sFhowqiPr

— Christian A. Dumais (@PuffChrissy) January 4, 2017

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CuriousLurker Jan 4, 2017 • 2:28:23pm

re: #156 BlueGrl21

I will be very intrigued to know how many Trump voters and/or Republican voters will lose ACA coverage. The older voters have Medicare. I’m not sure repealing ACA will have much impact on Trump voters, though some will get hit…Kentucky comes to mind. It’s when Paul Ryan starts going after Medicare that the shit will hit the fan on the “but we trusted you, Donald!” side.

I can’t believe they’re stupid enough to cause this level of chaos this early. I thought there’s no way they’d repeal it without an alternative plan. Nope, they’re that stupid.

This country is going to tear itself apart and it needs to. Too many people were asleep while the Republicans crept into power and now they get to wake up to a tarantula on their face. I have all the faith in the world that the Republicans will overreach so badly that they will go down like a demon under Kali’s feet.

Love these two sentences!

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 2:29:44pm

re: #161 gocart mozart

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makeitstop Jan 4, 2017 • 2:30:56pm

re: #159 Timothy Watson

Iran-Contra?

We’re not talking about corruption here. Yes, they were corrupt, but in this particular conversation, that’s not the point.

We’re talking basic levels of competence here. Reagan’s staff was comprised of government professionals who had worked in other administrations, come up through the ranks. They had a basic understanding of day-to-day operations of both the White House and they had respect for the institutions that helped the government run.

Trump’s ‘staff?’ Littered with political payback appointments, power freaks, conspriacy nuts and political nihilists like Bannon. Trump himself will not take intelligence briefings.

To them, the governmental apparatus is the enemy.

If Trump is manifesting Alzheimer’s, those numbskulls are going to have their hands so full that they’re going to fail at both day-to-day operations and covering up the boss’ mental degradation. We’d be living under essentially a rudderless government.

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electrotek Jan 4, 2017 • 2:31:10pm

re: #156 BlueGrl21

I will be very intrigued to know how many Trump voters and/or Republican voters will lose ACA coverage. The older voters have Medicare. I’m not sure repealing ACA will have much impact on Trump voters, though some will get hit…Kentucky comes to mind. It’s when Paul Ryan starts going after Medicare that the shit will hit the fan on the “but we trusted you, Donald!” side.

I can’t believe they’re stupid enough to cause this level of chaos this early. I thought there’s no way they’d repeal it without an alternative plan. Nope, they’re that stupid.

This country is going to tear itself apart and it needs to. Too many people were asleep while the Republicans crept into power and now they get to wake up to a tarantula on their face. I have all the faith in the world that the Republicans will overreach so badly that they will go down like a demon under Kali’s sword.

As we all have witnessed at many points of our lives, some have to learn the consequences of their actions the hard way.

This will be the tip of the iceberg. In other words, shit’s about to get real.

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sagehen Jan 4, 2017 • 2:31:33pm

re: #153 Anymouse

You have a weed tree? /s

My wife said it sounded like I was burying someone in the cellar when I was shovelling the dirt back into it from the stoop of the inner door.

I’ve never met your wife, but… you did say she’s a wise woman. Was she right? Were you actually burying someone in the cellar?

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 2:35:49pm

Whats your phrase you use when you don’t feel like arguing with someone?

— Hokage Romeo (@papichuIo) October 25, 2016

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I don’t know this emotion. https://t.co/5Xvfun4A0y

— Cocky McSwagsalot (@MoreAndAgain) January 4, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 2:38:00pm

Don’t pee on an electric fence. pic.twitter.com/5MtJfERAVR

— The Darwin Awards (@AwardsDarwin) January 4, 2017

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Don’t pee on an electric fence

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 2:40:27pm

Gibberish from Paul Ryan: We will protect people being hurt by Ocare by not immediately taking away their Ocare:https://t.co/aQmfdmam6H pic.twitter.com/FAYpKiGZrc

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) January 4, 2017

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bratwurst Jan 4, 2017 • 2:40:53pm

I fucking hate this guy.

Mitch McConnell: “the American people simply will not tolerate” Democrats blocking a Supreme Court nominee https://t.co/dz6NAybnUU pic.twitter.com/5FGsAMV32a

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) January 4, 2017

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blueraven Jan 4, 2017 • 2:42:58pm

It is bizzaro world. Sarah Palin, Hannity, Trump and other so called “conservatives” praising Assange and Putin, even Snowden.

I can’t even process this. It is if they all have been brainwashed. Or maybe they are just brain dead. Whatever…it is downright eerie.

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 2:44:33pm

re: #166 sagehen

I’ve never met your wife, but… you did say she’s a wise woman. Was she right? Were you actually burying someone in the cellar?

See Arsenic and Old Lace. Yellow fever victim or something. (No, I didn’t bury anyone in my basement. That’s where the guns are buried. /s)

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Blind Frog Belly White Jan 4, 2017 • 2:44:56pm

re: #171 blueraven

It is bizzaro world. Sarah Palin, Hannity Trump and other so called “conservatives” praising Assange and Putin, even Snowden.

I can’t even process this. It is if they all have been brainwashed. Or maybe they are just brain dead. Whatever…it is downright eerie.

It only makes sense if you simply assume that they have not one single principle that they really believe in, beyond that they should have power and be free to do whatever they please. If you look at it that way, it all makes sense.

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 2:45:46pm

re: #171 blueraven

It is bizzaro world. Sarah Palin, Hannity Trump and other so called “conservatives” praising Assange and Putin, even Snowden.

I can’t even process this. It is if they all have been brainwashed. Or maybe they are just brain dead. Whatever…it is downright eerie.

This is what it looks like when one has Self Interest as their only principle.

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Blind Frog Belly White Jan 4, 2017 • 2:45:57pm

re: #172 Anymouse

See Arsenic and Old Lace. Yellow fever victim or something. (No, I didn’t bury anyone in my basement. That’s where the guns are buried. /s)

“Teddy, there’s another Yellow Fever victim in the window seat.”

“Bully!”

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 2:46:12pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

It only makes sense if you simply assume that they have not one single principle that they really believe in, beyond that they should have power and be free to do whatever they please. If you look at it that way, it all makes sense.

Or what he said.

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Timothy Watson Jan 4, 2017 • 2:51:16pm

re: #172 Anymouse

See Arsenic and Old Lace. Yellow fever victim or something. (No, I didn’t bury anyone in my basement. That’s where the guns are buried. /s)

Do you have any cats? I was thinking Poe’s The Black Cat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 2:52:14pm

oh good grief.

BREAKING NEWS→ The House just moved to block President Obama from issuing ANY new regulations before leaving office. https://t.co/X1HC3Az290

— Paul Ryan (@SpeakerRyan) January 4, 2017

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BlueGrl21 Jan 4, 2017 • 2:53:44pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

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If someone is dumb enough not to take the warning shot, I leave the argument and get personal. “You seem to be very invested in this topic. Is it somehow impacting you personally? You’re getting angry, why is that? You know I’m not interested in this conversation, why do you feel the need to engage further with me?”

“So you’re not going to argue with me?”

“Why should I?”

I’m not any fun.

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Lidane Jan 4, 2017 • 2:57:35pm

Lawhawk’s tweets got picked up by Mediaite today:

Oops! GOP Rep’s Twitter Poll About Obamacare Backfires https://t.co/o3ljQxgDgE pic.twitter.com/tBeHIEM0Ej

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) January 4, 2017

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BlueGrl21 Jan 4, 2017 • 2:58:09pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief.

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Oh for fuck’s sake. Do these idiots know anything about the fact there are three branches of government and they don’t get to interfere with the executive or judicial branch?

Is there a Schoolhouse Rock episode on the topic?

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Lidane Jan 4, 2017 • 3:00:26pm

re: #181 BlueGrl21

Oh for fuck’s sake. Do these idiots know anything about the fact there are three branches of government and they don’t get to interfere with the executive or judicial branch?

Is there a Schoolhouse Rock episode on the topic?

Rep. King Pushes (Likely Unconstitutional) Bill to Prevent Supreme Court from Citing Their Own ObamaCare Decisions https://t.co/xjg44bbGeQ pic.twitter.com/V3cFafnKGh

— LawNewz (@law_newz) January 4, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 3:02:18pm

Rep. Marsha Blacburn’s ACA repeal questionnaire is not going well on Twitter. I presume she will do what my senator, Deb Fischer did when she got the same sort of response: Ignore it, because Rep. Blackburn listens to the people (Exxon, IBM, Wal*Mart, &c)

Do you support the repeal of Obamacare? RT if you do, and share what you want to see as the replacement.

— Marsha Blackburn (@MarshaBlackburn) January 3, 2017

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InfidelOfFreedom Jan 4, 2017 • 3:03:16pm

re: #183 Anymouse

Is it just me or is her Twitter profile pic just her laughing at us?

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 3:04:16pm

re: #184 InfidelOfFreedom

Is it just me or is her Twitter profile pic just her laughing at us?

It’s not just you. She is laughing at us.

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Single-handed sailor Jan 4, 2017 • 3:04:42pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief.

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ckkatz Jan 4, 2017 • 3:05:04pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heh - Your video and the discussions on GOP repeal of ACA, and of voting for Trump in general, keep reminding me of the old Will Rogers Quote:

“There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.”

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Blind Frog Belly White Jan 4, 2017 • 3:05:52pm

re: #186 Single-handed sailor

Doesn’t President Obama have to sign that first?

I’d have thought so.

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darthstar Jan 4, 2017 • 3:11:00pm

Loved hearing this on the radio this morning. “Either Trump lied to the American people or he needs to promise to veto any bill that cuts Medicare, Medicaid or the ACA”

I know…it’s not as catchy as Schumer’s oft-repeated “Make America sick again” line, and everyone hates the messenger, but still…props to Bernie.

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Ace Rothstein Jan 4, 2017 • 3:13:15pm

Hey dude on MSNBC with this asshole congressman from North Carolina on: You need to call these assholes out when they say that the majority of the people that have received insurance “was not Obamacare but Medicaid.” OBAMACARE EXPANDED THE PARAMETERS FOR QUALIFYING FOR MEDICAID BECAUSE THEY MADE “TOO MUCH” MONEY BEFORE. IT IS PART OF OBAMACARE.

Thank you.

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Romantic Heretic Jan 4, 2017 • 3:13:58pm

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

Teen Vogue reminds me of Ramparts in the 60s.

They’re not supposed to be doing the important journalism, but no one else will.

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Romantic Heretic Jan 4, 2017 • 3:14:52pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

No, because a Republican will be SoS. So it just couldn’t be helped. /

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Ace Rothstein Jan 4, 2017 • 3:16:35pm

CALL THIS ASSHOLE OUT, REP. CLEAVER!!!!

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Patricia Kayden Jan 4, 2017 • 3:18:11pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Romantic Heretic Jan 4, 2017 • 3:18:58pm

re: #50 The Vicious Babushka

They’ll all accept chickens as payment!

Like in The Good Old Days™.

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Jebediah, RBG Jan 4, 2017 • 3:20:01pm

re: #194 Patricia Kayden

Back when I thought there was NO WAY he could get elected, his ridiculousness could be funny. But now, you’re right - a LOT of people are in line to get hurt by the Shitgibbon and the apparently increasingly unhinged GOP.

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 3:20:09pm

Just keep repeating 3 promises Trump/GOP made on ACA repeal: 1) no gap btwn repeal & replacement (2) no one loses coverage (3) costs decline

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) January 4, 2017

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TedStriker Jan 4, 2017 • 3:20:40pm

re: #105 Kragar

I’d turn on the TV just to watch that.

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Romantic Heretic Jan 4, 2017 • 3:21:33pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

Don’t blink.

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Blind Frog Belly White Jan 4, 2017 • 3:24:10pm

re: #197 Anymouse

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And it’ll be so great, so great - believe me folks. It’ll be terrific. You’ll get more coverage and it will cost less, believe me!

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 3:24:13pm

re: #189 darthstar

props to Bernie.

Boat has left the dock.

Train left the station.

Election has been lost.

Maybe Bernie gets props in his next life.

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InfidelOfFreedom Jan 4, 2017 • 3:26:35pm

re: #197 Anymouse

Pointing out a Trump “promise” is only useful if Trump were motivated by any sense of shame, decency, or honesty. He will simply lie and distract as usual.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:27:12pm

Just got off the phone with a friend (big biker guy who is also a disabled Vietnam vet) in western PA.
His Trump-loving family, friends and neighbors are driving him crazy with their bleating about what the GOP (both in DC and in PA) are doing. They are horrified that they’re going to lose their insurance, that the coal and steel jobs aren’t coming back, and that their taxes are going up (20 cents a gallon state tax on gasoline just went into effect), etc., etc.

His response to them: “I tried to tell you, but you all called me a liar.”

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Decatur Deb Jan 4, 2017 • 3:28:41pm

re: #202 InfidelOfFreedom

Pointing out a Trump “promise” is only useful if Trump were motivated by any sense of shame, decency, or honesty. He will simply lie and distract as usual.

We’ve had a lot of presidents who lied. We’ve never had one who couldn’t imagine the need to pretend not to lie.

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Patricia Kayden Jan 4, 2017 • 3:30:02pm

re: #170 bratwurst

I fucking hate this guy.

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But they tolerated Republicans blocking the Negro’s nomination. Got it now?

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 3:30:13pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just got off the phone with a friend (big biker guy who is also a disabled Vietnam vet) in western PA.
His Trump-loving family, friends and neighbors are driving him crazy with their bleating about what the GOP (both in DC and in PA) are doing. They are horrified that they’re gong to lose their insurance, that the coal and steel jobs aren’t coming back, and that their taxes are going up (20 cents a gallon state tax on gasoline just went into effect), etc., etc.

His response to them: “I tried to tell you, but you all called me a liar.”

Yup, I’m going through the same thing here in my village. (Maybe, if the Dems run someone for our House district in two years, we might be able to put up a challenge here if more of the people in my district think the same as my town.)

In the meantime, with this “repeal and delay” idea the GOP has for the ACA, how many Freidman Units are they going to need to come up with something else?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:30:38pm

@bobcesca_go look I read taken 30 ACA courses put in seminars and webinars for my clients fraud and costly!

— Randy Pickering (@RandyPickering) January 4, 2017

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I hope your clients don’t look at Twitter to see how illiterate you are. https://t.co/Ewr5w81gRk

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 4, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:32:04pm

Breaking: Trump is working with advisers on a plan that would restructure and pare back the top U.S. spy agency https://t.co/XR0gbWAtvh

— Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) January 4, 2017

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Trump claims it’s too “politicized”. Don’t be fooled. He wants it politicized for him: giving authority to corruption and clearing his name. https://t.co/bxxG427mg9

— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) January 4, 2017

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Blind Frog Belly White Jan 4, 2017 • 3:33:10pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

We’ve had a lot of presidents who lied. We’ve never had one who couldn’t imagine the need to pretend not to lie.

Well, you know, according to the Editors of the Wall Street Journal, you shouldn’t call it ‘lying’, because that means the liar KNOWS it’s not true.

The thing is, the more accurate term ‘Bullshit’ is not permissible in most newsmedia. So they’ll stick with “Trump claimed/Opponents countered”, rather than ‘Trump bullshitted’.

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darthstar Jan 4, 2017 • 3:33:26pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Boat has left the dock.

Train left the station.

Election has been lost.

Maybe Bernie gets props in his next life.

Okay then.

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blueraven Jan 4, 2017 • 3:33:30pm

Well now…

Whoa. Via @WSJ, Trump working on a plan to scale back ODNI, restructure CIA to pare back Langley. https://t.co/Yi3ovM39Ua

— Noah Rothman (@NoahCRothman) January 4, 2017

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President-elect Donald Trump, a harsh critic of U.S. intelligence agencies, is working with top advisers on a plan that would restructure and pare back the nation’s top spy agency, people familiar with the planning said, prompted by a belief that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has become bloated and politicized.

The planning comes as Mr. Trump has leveled a series of social media attacks in recent months and the past few days against U.S. intelligence agencies, dismissing and mocking their assessment that the Russian government hacked emails of Democratic groups and individuals and then leaked them last year to WikiLeaks and others in an effort to help Mr. Trump win the White House.

One of the people familiar with Mr. Trump’s planning said advisers also are working on a plan to restructure the Central Intelligence Agency, cutting back on staffing at its Virginia headquarters and pushing more people out into field posts around the world. The CIA declined to comment on the plan.

“The view from the Trump team is the intelligence world [is] becoming completely politicized,” said the individual, who is close to the Trump transition operation. “They all need to be slimmed down. The focus will be on restructuring the agencies and how they interact.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:35:01pm

Given Rand Paul’s decision, it will take 2 more GOP Senators to stop Obamacare repeal. Sens Alexander, Corker & Collins closest to flipping.

— Samuel Sinyangwe (@samswey) January 4, 2017

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Yes, they’re Republicans. And HELL YES, we need to let them know that it’s safe to vote against repeal. https://t.co/CIlBFCh3KC

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 4, 2017

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Romantic Heretic Jan 4, 2017 • 3:35:55pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

He is not a wise and good man who does not at all times prefer the public good to his own. - that Adam Smith.

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InfidelOfFreedom Jan 4, 2017 • 3:37:25pm

re: #211 blueraven

Well now…

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Retaliation for outing him as a Putin puppet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:37:56pm

We didn’t even make it 24 hours til this “Do you think…” moment came truehttps://t.co/gJWY6PN2cY https://t.co/44RiHT465p pic.twitter.com/Hcj8dNe82N

— Rachel Maddow MSNBC (@maddow) January 4, 2017

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Romantic Heretic Jan 4, 2017 • 3:39:30pm

re: #182 Lidane

That man’s picture is next to ‘ignorant dickwad’ in the dictionary.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 4, 2017 • 3:41:10pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Boat has left the dock.

Train left the station.

Election has been lost.

Maybe Bernie gets props in his next life.

LEAVE ~~BRITNEY~~ BERNIE ALONE!

Sorry not sorry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:42:21pm

Bob is having way too much fun smacking down this troll:

@bobcesca_go bob I am on the front lines seen costs go up five fold seen exchange shake down VP saying lot of fraud

— Randy Pickering (@RandyPickering) January 4, 2017

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Nope. Rates in CA, where you do business, only went up 5% for 2017. My KP rate stayed the same. Also, you don’t know how to write sentences. https://t.co/d0xYZReqiJ

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 4, 2017

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blueraven Jan 4, 2017 • 3:42:25pm

re: #214 InfidelOfFreedom

Retaliation for outing him as a Putin puppet.

Sounds like Mike Flynn not getting over being fired.

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Skip Intro Jan 4, 2017 • 3:42:33pm

re: #189 darthstar

Fuck Bernie.

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Decatur Deb Jan 4, 2017 • 3:42:38pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Boat has left the dock.

Train left the station.

Election has been lost.

Maybe Bernie gets props in his next life.

He’ll get pie in the sky when he dies.

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makeitstop Jan 4, 2017 • 3:43:11pm

re: #214 InfidelOfFreedom

Retaliation for outing him as a Putin puppet.

If the CIA is gonna move on bringing him low, they damn well better get on that horse.

This stupid fucker could issue a cease operations order on Day One.

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BlueGrl21 Jan 4, 2017 • 3:43:17pm

re: #214 InfidelOfFreedom

Retaliation for outing him as a Putin puppet.

“We have two choices: some guy living in an embassy on the run from the law…who has a history of undermining American democracy and releasing classified information to put our troops at risk, or the 17 intelligence agencies sworn to defend us,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.). “I’m going with them.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:43:47pm

Paul Ryan makes it plain: the infrastructure bill will be privatization, not stimulus https://t.co/9lFr4s5wrW pic.twitter.com/oGOumMd6Un

— Bryce Covert (@brycecovert) January 4, 2017

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 3:44:18pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

He’ll get pie in the sky when he dies.

Is it ‘by and by’ or ‘bye and bye’?

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HappyWarrior Jan 4, 2017 • 3:44:18pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just got off the phone with a friend (big biker guy who is also a disabled Vietnam vet) in western PA.
His Trump-loving family, friends and neighbors are driving him crazy with their bleating about what the GOP (both in DC and in PA) are doing. They are horrified that they’re going to lose their insurance, that the coal and steel jobs aren’t coming back, and that their taxes are going up (20 cents a gallon state tax on gasoline just went into effect), etc., etc.

His response to them: “I tried to tell you, but you all called me a liar.”

Sigh, these people. We tried warning them but they didn’t want to listen. Anyhow, all the best to your friend, from a Western PAer at heart.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:44:28pm

re: #222 makeitstop

If the CIA is gonna move on bringing him low, they damn well better get on that horse.

This stupid fucker could issue a cease operations order on Day One.

I’m pretty sure I know just what the CIA would do with any such “order”.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 4, 2017 • 3:44:51pm

re: #225 wrenchwench

Is it ‘by and by’ or ‘bye and bye’?

What I really want is pie and pie.

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Romantic Heretic Jan 4, 2017 • 3:45:28pm

re: #211 blueraven

“The view from the Trump team is the intelligence world [is] becoming completely politicized,” said the individual, who is close to the Trump transition operation. “They all need to be slimmed down. The focus will be on restructuring the agencies and how they interact.”

Meaning “The intelligence agencies refuse to support our fantasies and we’re going to make them pay for it.”

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thedopefishlives Jan 4, 2017 • 3:45:29pm

re: #228 klys (maker of Silmarils)

What I really want is pie and pie.

I eated it.

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Decatur Deb Jan 4, 2017 • 3:45:31pm

re: #225 wrenchwench

Is it ‘by and by’ or ‘bye and bye’?

Sweet bye and bye.

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InfidelOfFreedom Jan 4, 2017 • 3:45:37pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

Soon all us po’ folks will be driving on dirt roads while Ryan and his cronies will sail by on American Autobahns. There’s no public good the Republicans won’t attempt to stratify.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 4, 2017 • 3:45:56pm

re: #230 thedopefishlives

I eated it.

:(

Dammit dopefish.

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 3:46:01pm

re: #228 klys (maker of Silmarils)

What I really want is pie and pie.

I gonna make one for my birthday.

NO CAKE FOR ME!

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 4, 2017 • 3:46:52pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

I gonna make one for my birthday.

NO CAKE FOR ME!

I have half a slice of the piece of cake I bought at the grocery store yesterday in the fridge. mr. klys ate all of his and promptly regretted it because those slices are huge.

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thedopefishlives Jan 4, 2017 • 3:46:55pm

re: #233 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dammit dopefish.

Swim, swim, HUNGRY…

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:46:55pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Sigh, these people. We tried warning them but they didn’t want to listen. Anyhow, all the best to your friend, from a Western PAer at heart.

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darthstar Jan 4, 2017 • 3:47:46pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

He’ll get pie in the sky when he dies.

Can you feel the love in this room? I can feel it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:47:56pm

re: #232 InfidelOfFreedom

Soon all us po’ folks will be driving on dirt roads while Ryan and his cronies will sail by on American Autobahns. There’s no public good the Republicans won’t attempt to stratify.

And we’ll be paying tolls for the privilege of driving on those dirt roads…

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Decatur Deb Jan 4, 2017 • 3:48:40pm

re: #238 darthstar

Can you feel the love in this room? I can feel it.

Loved Bernie years ago. Liked Nader for a while, too.

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darthstar Jan 4, 2017 • 3:48:54pm

Well Marsha…you asked.

Do you support the repeal of Obamacare? RT if you do, and share what you want to see as the replacement.

— Marsha Blackburn (@MarshaBlackburn) January 3, 2017

Reply Reply w/ Quote

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blueraven Jan 4, 2017 • 3:51:28pm

re: #238 darthstar

Can you feel the love in this room? I can feel it.

maybe if you stop littering your posts with shit like this…

I know…it’s not as catchy as Schumer’s oft-repeated “Make America sick again” line, and everyone hates the messenger, but still…props to Bernie.

I mean, really you are just looking for an argument. So maybe, stop it… unless that is what you want every single time?

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darthstar Jan 4, 2017 • 3:51:33pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Loved Bernie years ago. Liked Nader for a while, too.

I still like what he stands for, and I’m glad he’s fighting for us. One could say he owes us nothing…but he’s not one to give up the fight.

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 3:52:15pm

re: #231 Decatur Deb

Sweet bye and bye.

Utah Phillips covers Joe Hill’s “Pie in the Sky” “The Preacher and the Slave”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 3:52:26pm

good grief…

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 4, 2017 • 3:52:57pm

re: #242 blueraven

maybe if you stop littering your posts with shit like this…

I mean, really you are just looking for an argument. So maybe, stop it… unless that is what you want every single time?

Asshole-ism is in vogue.

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darthstar Jan 4, 2017 • 3:53:02pm

re: #242 blueraven

maybe if you stop littering your posts with shit like this…

I mean, really you are just looking for an argument. So maybe, stop it… unless that is what you want every single time?

Good point…I’ll stop pointing out his unpopularity with the good people here. I just find all the vitriol kind of silly. He lost back in fucking June for chrissakes.

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darthstar Jan 4, 2017 • 3:53:28pm

Gotta run…meeting time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 4, 2017 • 3:53:43pm

LOL it’s the new BBL.

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 3:53:44pm

re: #228 klys (maker of Silmarils)

What I really want is pie and pie.

Not pi and pi?

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wrenchwench Jan 4, 2017 • 3:54:36pm

re: #247 darthstar

Good point…I’ll stop pointing out his unpopularity with the good people here. I just find all the vitriol kind of silly. He lost back in fucking June for chrissakes.

And if you had shut up about him then— the vitriol may have dispersed. You keep it fresh.

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Skip Intro Jan 4, 2017 • 3:55:52pm

re: #238 darthstar

Can you feel the love in this room? I can feel it.

Fuck Jill Stein too. Does that help?

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Anymouse Jan 4, 2017 • 3:56:30pm

re: #232 InfidelOfFreedom

Soon all us po’ folks will be driving on dirt roads while Ryan and his cronies will sail by on American Autobahns. There’s no public good the Republicans won’t attempt to stratify.

I already drive on dirt roads. Our infrastructure investment by the Federal government basically consisted of the Oregon Trail, the Transcontinental Railway, and Interstate 80.

Other than that, not so much.

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ObserverArt Jan 4, 2017 • 4:09:19pm

re: #189 darthstar

Loved hearing this on the radio this morning. “Either Trump lied to the American people or he needs to promise to veto any bill that cuts Medicare, Medicaid or the ACA”

I know…it’s not as catchy as Schumer’s oft-repeated “Make America sick again” line, and everyone hates the messenger, but still…props to Bernie.

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Are you implying we hate Bernie? Why do you do this all the time?

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TedStriker Jan 4, 2017 • 4:13:38pm

re: #238 darthstar

Can you feel the love in this room? I can feel it.

I bet you can.

I won’t place all of the blame for Hillary losing and Cheeto Jesus moving into the WH on Bernie, but things that he did and said throughout the primaries certainly helped to poison the well among his supporters (and also among the media and the general public) when he didn’t get the nom. Now that he’s back in Congress in his lily-white, safe-as-all-hell Senate seat, pardon us for not genuflecting on his “courage” and his “conviction” going up against the GOPers. Also, notice in that C-SPAN screenshot that Bernie slunk away from his marriage-of-convenience to the Democratic Party after the election.

Fuck Bernie.

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Decatur Deb Jan 4, 2017 • 4:19:52pm

re: #255 TedStriker

I think what ww was trying to get across was that

I bet you can.

I won’t place all of the blame for Hillary losing and Cheeto Jesus moving into the WH on Bernie, but things that he did and said throughout the primaries certainly helped to poison the well among his supporters (and also among the media and the general public) when he didn’t get the nom. Now that he’s back in Congress in his lily-white, safe-as-all-hell Senate seat, pardon us for not genuflecting on his “courage” and his “conviction” going up against the GOPers. Also, notice in that C-SPAN screenshot that Bernie slunk away from his marriage-of-convenience to the Democratic Party after the election.

Fuck Bernie.

Bernie did measurably little damage to HRC. So did every asshole who put their snit, their pet cause, their self-aggrandizement in the in the road like so many pebbles. It only needed a little damage to trip her. The rest she did to herself.

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ObserverArt Jan 4, 2017 • 4:30:50pm

re: #238 darthstar

Can you feel the love in this room? I can feel it.

All I know is I never “hated” Bernie. Sure, he frustrates me. He sometimes seems to have no idea what he is really saying and to who…but hate no way.

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compound_Idaho Jan 4, 2017 • 4:31:33pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not in my case. Much higher premiums and rising quickly. Much much higher deductible. I can no longer use the local hospital unless I pay the first $50,000. I can no longer use the U of UT health system for specialists. I acknowledge that ACA is not all bad, but it is not all good either.

I fall in the group of individual policy holders that are not eligible for subsidies. It has not been a good thing for me.

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ObserverArt Jan 4, 2017 • 4:33:03pm

re: #248 darthstar

Gotta run…meeting time.

Bye Dark…err…Darth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 4, 2017 • 4:36:48pm

*yawn*

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 4, 2017 • 4:39:43pm

For the record, bitching about how you’re not eligible for subsidies under the ACA is essentially saying “feel sorry for me, I make money” which …okay? Congrats? I’m happy for you?

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TedStriker Jan 4, 2017 • 4:44:32pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Bernie did measurably little damage to HRC. So did every asshole who put their snit, their pet cause, their self-aggrandizement in the in the road like so many pebbles. It only needed a little damage to trip her. The rest she did to herself.

I’m not saying that Bernie and his BoBers did all (or most) of the damage Hillary took, but I tend to think that it was a bit more than “measurably little”, if for no other reason that, given the GOP’s almost-three-decade-long (ultimately successful) smear campaign against her (and a compliant media), any damage she took was going to possibly be too much, even if she ran a absolutely flawless campaign on the ground from beginning to end (which we now know had some major issues).

Among the self-inflicted injuries, Hillary’s chances at the WH suffered death-by-a-thousand-cuts…and Bernie and the BoBers definitely got in more than a few shots.

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Decatur Deb Jan 4, 2017 • 4:49:10pm

re: #262 TedStriker

I’m not saying that Bernie and his BoBers did all (or most) of the damage Hillary took, but I tend to think that it was a bit more than “measurably little”, if for no other reason that, given the GOP’s almost-three-decade-long (ultimately successful) smear campaign against her (and a compliant media), any damage she took was going to possibly be too much, even if she ran a absolutely flawless campaign on the ground from beginning to end (which we now know had some major issues).

Among the self-inflicted injuries, Hillary’s chances at the WH suffered death-by-a-thousand-cuts…and Bernie and the BoBers definitely got in more than a few shots.

We’re agreeing. Measurably little was more than enough.

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sagehen Jan 4, 2017 • 4:55:06pm

re: #206 Anymouse

Yup, I’m going through the same thing here in my village. (Maybe, if the Dems run someone for our House district in two years, we might be able to put up a challenge here if more of the people in my district think the same as my town.)

I say again, you look like a candidate. People on this board will donate to your campaign, DKos readers will donate to your campaign, and you might be surprised how many of your own villagers will donate to your campaign.

ANYMOUSE FOR THE HOUSE!!

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Barefoot Grin Jan 4, 2017 • 5:12:51pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Soon we’ll have “spheres of influence” and maybe the Chinese will be calling for the “open door policy.”

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Bubblehead II Jan 4, 2017 • 5:14:27pm

Night Lizards.

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William Lewis Jan 4, 2017 • 5:46:25pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Loved Bernie years ago. Liked Nader for a while, too.

Ding ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner.

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GlutenFreeJesus Jan 4, 2017 • 6:57:24pm

re: #87 Kragar

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Bingo.

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cat-tikvah Jan 4, 2017 • 9:33:19pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 5, 2017 • 12:56:21am

re: #191 Romantic Heretic

Teen Vogue reminds me of Ramparts in the 60s.

They’re not supposed to be doing the important journalism, but no one else will.

When I was in Moscow in the early 90’s, the best political coverage was in Molodoi Komsomolets, the Communist Youth League publication

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