The Bob Cesca Podcast: With Me There’s No Lying

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Connecticut Trial Firm, LLC:

With Me There’s No Lying — NSFW! Jody Hamilton and TRex David Ferguson are here; The latest from the impeachment trial of Donald Trump; Trump said he’s open to witnesses; Trump in Davos insists he never lies; Trump doesn’t understand a question about entitlements; Bill Barr wrote that presidents can be impeached for abuse of power; The zombie lie about Obama and aid to Ukraine; Chuck Schumer’s observations about the Republicans; What happens if Trump is acquitted; Jody’s encounter with Randy Rainbow; With music by State To State and John Flywheel; and more!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:22:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:23:36pm
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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:23:54pm

CL’d again! Or nearly so, since I refused to even post to the old thread once I noticed the existence of this one…

re: #165 jaunte

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Nazis eager to begin roundups.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:25:09pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’ll have to bump along on just a few dozen million now.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:26:50pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well that is what a snowplow is for.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:27:34pm

Repeat from downstairs…

The fact that Saudis think they can get away with this shit on US soil really makes me angry.

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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:28:28pm

Also sort of from the previous thread:

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:28:46pm

CL’d from downstairs:

Stupid things you notice when you’re watching umpteen zillion hours of this…

We know phones aren’t allowed on the Senate floor. What about Apple Watches? A couple of the House managers were wearing them yesterday, and aren’t today.

(And of course we can’t see the Senators themselves, so who knows?)

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:38:24pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

But don’t be black and get caught with a dime bag of weed. You’ll get three years in jail for that.

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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:42:12pm

re: #7 Chrysicat

Also sort of from the previous thread:

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And yes, I did basically treat the Bernouts right that he could have prevented this had we simply refused to nominate Hilary in the first place. I still think it’s a whole lot more likely that the loss would have been worse because I have a visceral fear of the very word “socialism” even myself, but maybe they’re right that there are enough Leninists in the country who are just being quiet; it has been long enough for over a generation of adults to not understand its evils from experience.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:42:50pm

re: #7 Chrysicat

Also sort of from the previous thread:

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Actually the left still doesn’t understand this, especially those who support Bernie. They will continue to blame centrists if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination. It’s their way or the highway.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:43:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:44:03pm

LOL

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:45:07pm
“Those individuals may have DACA, but that doesn’t prevent us from going through the removal process, such that… if they get ordered removed, and DACA is done away with by the Supreme Court, we can actually effectuate those removal orders.”

He’s talking about putting them in prison.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:46:06pm
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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:46:46pm

“Judge Napolitano” is trending, and for what almost anyone would have to argue are good reasons.

Napolitano will still be in favour of an authoritarian state afterwards, of course, but one where the Senate has the power, not the President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:48:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:53:12pm

*snerk*

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Dread Pirate  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:55:08pm

I’m still waiting for Republicans to state Hunter Biden’s alleged crime, and what evidence they have.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:55:27pm

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:55:54pm

re: #19 Dread Pirate

I’m still waiting for Republicans to state Hunter Biden’s alleged crime, and what evidence they have.

He’s a Democrat. Case closed.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:55:59pm

Bloomberg really knows how to wind Trump’s watch.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:58:28pm
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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:59:06pm

re: #12 jaunte

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They absolutely want their fucking stepping stone to dismantling birthright citizenship.

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mmmirele  Jan 23, 2020 • 5:59:35pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BigPapa  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:01:00pm

re: #22 makeitstop

I always feel dirty when I go to Mediaite, like I just ate a bag of pork rinds reading a National Enquirer (just looking for pictures of boobs).

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:01:42pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

When Trump shitposts like this, he’s telling everyone who isn’t in his cult that your opinions are worthless and he’s laughing at you, and he’s going to fuck you over and enjoy it.

Which isn’t the usual presidential mindset.

It is, however, perfectly the media’s mindset. How else can you explain how they treat Trump Country Diner voters as the only voters that exist, much less matter?

This is why Trump can get away with this shit, it’s part of the decades long coddling of the GOP base as literally the only voters that matter in this country.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:01:42pm

Our broadcast media does the nation a disservice.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:03:21pm
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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:10:01pm

re: #28 jaunte

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Our broadcast media does the nation a disservice.

It continually goes beyond what can be explained away by simple misguided attempts at false balance. It’s complicity at this point. The media is absolutely invested in normalizing and treating Republicans as the default for governance, and when they debase it, they have to treat the debasement as normal, especially when they get to shitkick Dems for daring to try to do anything about it.

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BigPapa  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:15:41pm

re: #29 jaunte
Milbank does sear.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:18:58pm

re: #29 jaunte

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Yes! Yes! Yes! Roberts keeps getting credit for being an “institutionalist.” That is bullshit. He may have made a couple of obviously good calls, but for the most part he has sided with oligarchy.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:25:37pm

This is one of the creepiest things I have ever seen.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:28:55pm
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:29:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:34:51pm
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plansbandc  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:35:29pm

re: #12 jaunte

This makes me want to vomit.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:36:18pm

re: #37 plansbandc

Yep.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:38:08pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:38:10pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:38:54pm

In other news, I see that after one episode the new series ST:Picard is rating high on IMDB. The average rating is just in the low 8’s, but the median… the median value is a 10.

Anyway, after watching ep1, the first episode presented itself with high production values. And Patrick Stewart is still the best actor in the ST ensemble.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:42:45pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:43:33pm

re: #39 Dread Pirate

This…is…very bad.

Israeli officials said that the plan would promise the application of Israeli sovereignty to all existing Jewish settlements in the West Bank, in addition to annexing the Jordan Valley, which would become Israel’s eastern border.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:43:35pm

what the actual fuck

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:44:09pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:44:11pm

re: #42 jaunte

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I wonder how much Russian money is being poured into Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn?

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:44:42pm

re: #43 Colère Tueur de Lapin

This…is…very bad.

They keep working that End Times plan.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:45:23pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

How much more economical than a kinetic war.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:46:24pm

re: #39 Dread Pirate

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In other words the Palestinians are going to be uprooted and in return Booby will give the Gaza Strip to Trump so he can turn it into the Trump Gaza Plaza.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:47:33pm

re: #47 jaunte

They keep working that End Times plan.

I have deluded family members praying for Trump to nuke Iran because they believe that will trigger the Rapture.

They’re going to get the shock of their lives when JC and his Sonshine Band pull a no-show!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:49:27pm

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:51:32pm

Dirt for Dollars

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Dread Pirate  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:52:50pm

I was wondering how many were on death’s door and how many have recovered.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:54:01pm

Quoting from the scriptures
With patriotic tears
We got the same old men
With the same old fears
Standing at attention
Wrapped in stars and stripes
They hear the phantom drummers
And the nonexistent pipes
These days the buck stops nowhere
No one takes the blame
But evil is still evil
In anybody’s name
If dirt were dollars
If dirt were dollars
If dirt were dollars
We’d all be in the black

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:57:10pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:57:57pm

Spoiler-not-spoiler:

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BigPapa  Jan 23, 2020 • 6:59:29pm

re: #56 Interesting Times

Who will spoil the spoilers?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:03:42pm

Look at this snowflake crybaby.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:04:58pm

They have no defense.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:06:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:09:49pm

Damn. He’s really losing it now.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:10:23pm

re: #59 jaunte

You are correct. They have no defense. There was no defense because that is how DT does his so called business.

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:13:02pm

re: #62 PhillyPretzel

You are correct. They have no defense. There was no defense because that is how DT does his so called business.

Trump has gone his entire adult life without having the purity of his corruption besmirched by one honest day.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:13:09pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:13:47pm

“Thanks, but you fuck everything up.”

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:14:45pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Shitting Bull is losing his tiny mind. Perhaps a few R votes in the Senate will change if the Orange Menace has a temper tantrum on live TV.

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b.d. (He's Impeached)  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:19:37pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

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Hey Man, don’t be disrespecting Little Debbie!!

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:22:18pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:22:52pm

re: #67 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

And do not think of doing anything to Tastykakes.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:22:55pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:23:52pm

re: #53 Dread Pirate

…..

So far they don’t think it’s airborne, although it’s spreading more easily than previously thought

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:26:39pm

Thread:

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:31:39pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:33:07pm

….and your father smelled of elderberries.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:33:38pm
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:36:23pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:41:09pm

re: #76 jaunte

It’s a good argument, but no DC Republican has the national interest in mind.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:44:31pm

They’re resorting to threats at this point.

Unreal.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:48:30pm

Just finished watching Peter Jackson’s They Shall Not Grow Old on HBO, and I am stunned.
It is a breakthrough in documentary presentation. The colorization is superb, this technology has improved a lot, but there is far more to it than that. They also used time correction to provide natural motion, and, most touchingly brought in forensic lip-readers so they could dub in authentic dialog. “Here it is! Hey, fellas, we’re in pictures,” says one Tommy as the camera frames his smiling face. In one scene, a company officer reads Field Marshal Haig’s order of the day to his troops before the horrific Battle of the Somme. In that case, his lips are obscured by his mustache, but they were able to reproduce his words from a surviving copy of the order. The effect is to bring alive events that were heretofore documented only in silent, grainy black and white. The faces and the muck of the trenches are completely real. It isn’t beautiful by any means, though the French countryside comes alive. Color brings out the maggots on dead bodies and blood on dead and wounded alike.
I have little patience with arguments about authenticity. The data used to bring out the color and sound is just as real as the light that fell on the black and white stock over a hundred years ago.
I think we are going to see a lot more of this in the future.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:48:39pm

re: #77 EPR-radar

It’s a good argument, but no DC Republican has the national interest in mind.

Trump did x and you’re good with it
then he did y and youre good with that
then he did z and you’re good with that
he’s been through the alphabet more than once and you’re good with every single thing he’s done

so that’s your new standard.
everything Trump has done is ok with you.
he has literally never done anything wrong or made one misstep.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:49:06pm
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uriel  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:51:03pm

Well, that’s a new one.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2020 • 7:57:24pm

For some accursed reason, I am craving a cigarette tonight. Fortunately, the closest ones are in Mineral Wells. It will pass. I just remind myself that I would probably be dead if I hadn’t quit when I did.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:03:37pm

Trump’s legal team just isn’t very good at this.

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:04:43pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

For some accursed reason, I am craving a cigarette tonight. Fortunately, the closest ones are in Mineral Wells. It will pass. I just remind myself that I would probably be dead if I hadn’t quit when I did.

The stress of the DT situation. It has all of us stretched on the rack. I am playing solitaire by the hour and eating my way through a big jar of nuts. And anything I can chew on, actually! If I smoked, I would be a chimney.

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BeachDem  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:12:26pm

This shit just infuriates me. Not just that they’re disrespecting the Dem presenters, but that they have no respect for their JOBS, responsibilities, constituents or basically the government itself. If it’s “so boring” to have to do their fucking jobs and pay attention in the “august halls of Congress” then they should fucking quit.

If hearing evidence of a renegade president who has usurped the office and the entire government for his personal gain is just too BORING for them, they’re in the wrong job. What a disgusting display.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:15:28pm

re: #86 BeachDem

They are treating this as a joke because that is what DT thinks it is.

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:16:29pm

re: #87 PhillyPretzel

They are treating this as a joke because that is what DT thinks it is.

Because they want DT to think that is what they think it is. It comforts him.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:19:06pm

re: #88 retired cynic

Exactly.

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uriel  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:19:23pm

re: #82 uriel

Well, that’s a new one.
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And he still insists he’s correct. Just amazing levels of stupid.

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gocart mozart  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:22:15pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:26:10pm

re: #87 PhillyPretzel

They are treating this as a joke because that is what DT thinks it is.

The GOP Senators are as corrupt as DT. It IS a joke to them because whatever DT believes they believe. They are not capable of independent thought. Maybe if a deprogrammer put them in isolation for 6 months, it might be possible to restore some semblance of character. But that is doubtful.

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gocart mozart  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:34:30pm

This civil discussion went well

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:35:56pm

re: #93 gocart mozart

This civil discussion went well

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Is this a real person or a Russian bot?

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:44:24pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

And we’re glad you quit, and we’re glad you’re here.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:46:46pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:50:43pm
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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2020 • 8:52:49pm
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Belafon  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:06:27pm

re: #97 Dave In Austin

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If Trump is removed from office, what will he do to them? He’s going to be running from the law at that point.

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uriel  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:07:33pm

re: #96 Dave In Austin

Yes, because Dems reeeally need to listen to this guy:

Youtube Video

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:09:53pm

re: #96 Dave In Austin

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We have a lot of Republicans with nothing to do but screw with the Democratic campaign.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:11:26pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I succumbed this summer. Had 2 heavy smokers move in for the summer. I had quit for 15 years. Now I’m smoking again. I couldn’t be more disappointed in myself if I tried.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:12:21pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

I succumbed this summer. Had 2 heavy smokers move in for the summer. I had quit for 15 years. Now I’m smoking again. I couldn’t be more disappointed in myself if I tried.

You quit once. You can do it again. Took me about 4 tries.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:13:54pm

I quit after I got pneumonia almost 6.5 years ago. Haven’t touched one since.

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Interesting Times  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:15:23pm

re: #99 Belafon

If Trump is removed from office, what will he do to them? He’s going to be running from the law at that point.

This what I don’t get - if so many of them supposedly “hate” him, here’s the most golden opportunity they’ll ever have to get rid of him. So either he’s got a metric fuckton of blackmail material on the whole sorry lot…or they really are that venal, corrupt, and evil.

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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:16:48pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:30:50pm

re: #99 Belafon

If Trump is removed from office, what will he do to them? He’s going to be running from the law at that point.

They won’t be afraid of him — but his base who will drive them from office. Saving the country or saving their job ? Saving the job is first. And most of them may be true believers at this point. Or at least wholly owned subsidiaries of the Putin franchise — so Trump goes down, they go down too.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:36:42pm

re: #96 Dave In Austin

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:38:58pm

The first episode of Picard totally kicked ass. Patrick Stewart is still one of the best fucking actors and human beings on planet.

I am so damn happy to be done with Trek prequels and actually have a chance to jump into the post-TNG world.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:40:38pm

re: #97 Dave In Austin

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Again, totally the behavior of people who believe that they’re innocent and have nothing to fear from cooperation.

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uriel  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:41:52pm

You know, this crap drives me crazy. I’m not trying to fat shame or anything. But this is one of those little things where people’s ability to just *see fucking reality* has been successfully been dragged out of skew by the constant lies Trump’s told. I’ve even had multiple instances where I had to remind my wife of 30 years about this.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:43:09pm

re: #108 Citizen K

That ones a live one and an extremely stereotypical Bro….

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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:45:18pm

re: #108 Citizen K

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plansbandc  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:45:30pm

I’m very familiar with 300 lbs. Shitler is 300 lbs.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:45:56pm

re: #111 uriel

I’m 5’9”, in middle age shape, weight about 225, and have a 40 inch waist.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:47:18pm

re: #108 Citizen K

I don’t know enough about Rogan because that seems like it would be a great Daily Kos diary.

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uriel  Jan 23, 2020 • 9:47:37pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

I succumbed this summer. Had 2 heavy smokers move in for the summer. I had quit for 15 years. Now I’m smoking again. I couldn’t be more disappointed in myself if I tried.

Fifteen years Is god-damned impressive! Hell, I tried everything on and off for like 15 years, and the only thing that got me off cigarettes was vapes. (Yes, I know, not ideal, but I my lungs don’t whistle any more and I don’t cough until I puke two or three times a week.)

If you could figure it out that successfully before, you can do it again!

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BigPapa  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:00:11pm

re: #114 plansbandc

I’m very familiar with 300 lbs. Shitler is 300 lbs.

We’re about the same height (6.1/6.2) and I topped out at 288, now back down to 270.

I’m calling 3 hundo with you.

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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:01:12pm

re: #113 Chrysicat

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plansbandc  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:08:20pm
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austin_blue  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:11:11pm

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

You quit once. You can do it again. Took me about 4 tries.

Quitting is easy. I’ve done it a hundred times.

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sagehen  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:12:43pm

re: #97 Dave In Austin

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dear god I hope that’s a metaphor…

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:14:20pm

It isn’t only Donald Trump. Disabled Twitter has seen some VERY toxic shit in the past few weeks (thread).

Background: Two different disabled women had trouble with their rideshare service.
One of the women needed to have her food delivered to her door. The driver refused.
The other woman was using Uber. She had a wheelchair and a service dog.
Refused.
(In one instance, a disabled rider with a chair and service dog had their ride terminated, and they ended up stranded. Uber drivers can end the trip for numerous reasons. But Uber is required BY LAW to transport disabled riders, chairs, service animals, or not.)

It has gotten U G L Y for the disabled community for quite some time.
Another fine example:

And these people are the “good progressives”!

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austin_blue  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:18:48pm

re: #123 Sherlock Hound

It isn’t only Donald Trump. Disabled Twitter has seen some VERY toxic shit in the past few weeks (thread).

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And these people are the “good progressives”!

Interesting. You default to “good progressives” as opposed to trolls? Why did you do that?

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:23:23pm

re: #124 austin_blue
Because a lot of so-called progressives, those that adopt the label, seem to be pricks. And because a lot of people will excuse this and say that they’re trolls.

Even if trolling, this shit never comes from nowhere.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:24:01pm

Things I expect to see on Saturday in the Senate:

- Republicans suddenly acting like they give a shit about the whole process, if only because they know wingnuts will be looking to jump on any who don’t look as though they’re treating Trump’s lunacy as “serious business.”

- Sudden interest by the wingnut press concerning behavior by Dems that they totally ignored from Repubs (ex: being away from seat, nodding off, playing with toys, sending texts, walking away for interviews, etc).

- McConnell/Graham/Grassly/etc suddenly jumping up after days off utter contempt from their own caucus and demanding Roberts drop the hammer on any Dem not following the rules, blatantly ignoring just how fucking hypocritical such a move is.

- The same wingnut press as mentioned above now breaking away from normal programming for total coverage of the “trial” while insisting that their viewers drop everything for the next 3 days and watch as Trump’s team “uncovers the truth”.

- And finally, the BSAB crowd will work themselves to exhaustion trying to portray abject lunacy coming from Trump’s lawyers as being on the same intellectual level as the master class in lawyering we’ve seen over the last 2 days.

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austin_blue  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:37:14pm

re: #125 Sherlock Hound

Because a lot of so-called progressives, those that adopt the label, seem to be pricks. And because a lot of people will excuse this and say that they’re trolls.

Even if trolling, this shit never comes from nowhere.

Sure it does, it’s fucking Twitter, for dog’s sake!

It is what Twitter *is*, an unmoderated board that allows trolls to pretend to be anything to stir the shitpot and piss everyone off.

Pretty much how it makes it’s money. Check out their timelines and I think you will discover their true natures.

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austin_blue  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:39:40pm

And I’m for the rack. Night all. Sweet scaly dreams.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:42:15pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:46:28pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 23, 2020 • 10:53:40pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

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I’m guessing that Ryan would have no problem whatsoever with a David Duke endorsement then “as a part of our politics” with a significant following. Rogan is cut from the same racist, fascist cloth.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 23, 2020 • 11:00:19pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2020 • 11:12:34pm

re: #129 Dread Pirate

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It’s going to a total shitshow from the word “Go.” When they’re not engaging in “Whataboutism,” they’re going to be delving into conspiracy theories that would make Alex Jones nod in approval. It’s going to be Sean Hannity offering up one of his shows as a legal defense.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 23, 2020 • 11:18:52pm

Dara from years ago, still relevant:

Dara o’Briain - Racism is Waaay Better Than Astrology!

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Dread Pirate  Jan 23, 2020 • 11:45:47pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:47:25am

re: #132 Dread Pirate

Shit’s getting real in China. Disneyland Shanghai is closed until further notice and some 70,000 cinemas in the country have been ordered closed.

reuters.com (the Disneyland Shanghai story)

variety.com (regarding cinema closures)

It’s like The Stand has started to come to life.

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:51:01am

Maybe somebody will notice that Obama kept Ebola out of the US (ok, 2 cases, but the CDC had authority to take initiative and deal with it)… and then developed a vaccine. Trump isn’t doing shit.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:54:54am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:58:13am

re: #137 sagehen

Maybe somebody will notice that Obama kept Ebola out of the US (ok, 2 cases, but the CDC had authority to take initiative and deal with it)… and then developed a vaccine. Trump isn’t doing shit.

Funny you mention Ebola, because my Friday morning student and I were discussing what’s going on in China, and he darkly joked that if there were ever something like an Ebola outbreak here, half the country’s 10 million people would be dead in two weeks, because instead of going to the hospital, they’d be sitting at home thinking that chamomile tea and saw palmetto extract will cure them right up.

Czechs aren’t stupid people, not at all - generally speaking, they’re pretty well-educated.

But they’re big believers in woowoo and quack medicine.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:40:45am

And here, we have the late, great George Carlin deconstructing toxic masculinity in his unique and inimitable style.

Fury Road’s Philosophy Explained by George Carlin

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:41:16am

Walter Bishop Jr. Trio - I’ll Remember April

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:01:27am

A Twitter thread here regarding the ongoing situation in Wuhan. Possibly NSFW, so in a spoiler tag.

Click to Reveal

Seems to be legit, footage from inside Wuhan Red Cross Hospital. The Twitter user is a video producer for South China Morning Post news and he’s based in Shanghai.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:13:13am
Beijing city government has urged residents returning from coronavirus outbreak areas to stay at home for 14 days to prevent its spread, the Beijing Daily said on Friday.

Shanghai government also urged people coming to the city from “key areas” to stay at home or under centralized quarantine for 14 days.

China stepped up measures to contain a virus that has killed 25 people and infected more than 800, with public transport suspended in 10 cities, the shutting of temples and the rapid construction of a hospital in the city of Wuhan, where most of the cases have been, to treat the infected.

reuters.com

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:22:40am

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

reuters.com

Good Lord. Best case is 1918, worst case may be that Stephen King wasn’t writing fiction.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:24:58am

re: #144 Chrysicat

Good Lord. Best case is 1918, worst case may be that Stephen King wasn’t writing fiction.

Let’s hope it gets to neither of those grim scenarios. The last thing anyone in the world needs is a Spanish Flu 2.0 pandemic…..not to mention Captain Trips making the rounds.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:51:35am
British universities have warned students considering travelling home to China to celebrate Chinese new year that they will face quarantine on their return.

The University of Chester said it had warned its Chinese students in the UK that if they return to their homeland they would not be readmitted without a suitable quarantine period.

Universities across the UK are closely monitoring the coronavirus outbreak and have followed Foreign Office advice warning people not to travel to the affected region.

theguardian.com

Looks like containment precautions are now starting outside of China and the affected regions.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:37:33am

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

For some accursed reason, I am craving a cigarette tonight. Fortunately, the closest ones are in Mineral Wells. It will pass. I just remind myself that I would probably be dead if I hadn’t quit when I did.

Temptation is never on vacation. I will crave a cigarette more often than alcohol, and I had to go away to help me kick alcohol. Halls menthol cough drops help me quit, and the realization that I will always be addicted to nicotine and alcohol, always.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:45:17am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:47:47am

re: #148 Dave In Austin

The stupid, it burns.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:49:40am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:52:54am

More containment precautions from outside the PRC:

Close to 500 Chinese tourists who arrived in Kalibo, Aklan from the Chinese city where the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) outbreak began, will be transported back to their point of origin this week, an aviation official confirmed Friday.

Civil Aviation Board Executive Director Carmelo Arcilla said that air carriers Royal Air Charter and Pan Pacific Airline will ferry the visitors back to Wuhan in three batches: Friday night, Saturday and Monday. The planes will then return to Kalibo without passengers. That’s despite the transport clampdown in Wuhan, where the new virus called 2019-nCoV originated.

Pan Pacific operates charter flights on the route from Tuesday to Sunday, while Royal Air operates charter flights from Monday to Saturday.

cnnphilippines.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:56:53am

re: #148 Dave In Austin

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And I bet he loves telling his friends that as a constitutional conservative, he understands the constitution better than liberals.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:59:08am

re: #130 Targetpractice

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And yet HRC being a Democrat her adult life meant nothing so let’s treat the guy from Fear Factor as if he’s a serious political pundit.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:14:23am

Thread on 8 stages of genocide.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:19:42am

re: #154 DodgerFan1988

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Thread on 8 stages of genocide.

The Hutu propaganda calling Tutsis cockroaches. Yes, there is a concerted effort in right wing circles to dehumanize anyone not like them. I may call right wingers assholes or whatever but they’re not subhuman.

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steve_davis  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:31:49am

the pagan in me hopes that at the end of the Trump era, he, Graham, and McConnell will be sealed in a casket together and buried alive, as traitors and perjurers.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:35:58am

re: #156 steve_davis

the pagan in me hopes that at the end of the Trump era, he, Graham, and McConnell will be sealed in a casket together and buried alive, as traitors and perjurers.

I’d settle for extensive prison sentences.

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:36:21am

re: #156 steve_davis

the pagan in me hopes that at the end of the Trump era, he, Graham, and McConnell will be sealed in a casket together and buried alive, as traitors and perjurers.

Can they be together in the same casket? It would save us some money on the budget.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:44:01am

re: #158 (((Viking Sea Mexican)))

Can they be together in the same casket? It would save us some money on the budget.

It would be fiscally conservative.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:06:20am

Hi everyone! I’ve spent the last week celebrating my 50th birthday in Turks and Caicos, blissfully unaware of the rest of the world. I unknowingly picked the best week ever to get away from the impeachment shitshow, coronavirus, etc. We return to the US tomorrow so I thought I’d log on and see what’s going on in the world…Jesus tapdancing Christ. Can I just stay on this island forever???

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:09:11am

re: #160 Flying Squirrel Girl

Hi everyone! I’ve spent the last week celebrating my 50th birthday in Turks and Caicos, blissfully unaware of the rest of the world. I unknowingly picked the best week ever to get away from the impeachment shitshow, coronavirus, etc. We return to the US tomorrow so I thought I’d log on and see what’s going on in the world…Jesus tapdancing Christ. Can I just stay on this island forever???

Look on the bright side…..at least you didn’t choose to celebrate your 50th (Happy B-day, btw) in Wuhan or the other big cities now under lockdown.

Seriously, what a mess - as more than a few Czechs I’ve talked to have put it, “This is the beginning of every disaster movie”.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:13:35am

Meanwhile, here in Czech Republic, looks like we’ve got a flu epidemic cooking….thankfully, just plain old flu.

Translated from Czech:

The number of patients in South Bohemia increased by 36.5 percent in the last week. Hygienists now register 1,785 cases of respiratory diseases per 100,000 inhabitants. Doctors also report deaths due to severe flu . The child succumbed to the consequences.

“A child in the age range of zero to five years succumbed to the severe flu. But we will not say more about the case, “said Bendíková.

The category of the youngest children is currently most affected. In children under five years of age, hygienists recorded 5231 patients per 100,000.

The highest number of patients, regardless of age, is in the Český Krumlov region. In this district there are 2628 per 100 000 inhabitants.

Due to acute respiratory diseases, visits to Prachatice Hospital are not permitted. Starting Monday, the same ban will apply at the hospital in Český Krumlov. Visits are also not allowed to home* with a special regime in Rakvice in the Písek region.

*house calls, which Czech doctors still do.

Original source: novinky.cz

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:21:17am

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

Incidentally, there’s a poll at the bottom of the original source page. Take note that 55.6% of respondents “refuse” to get a flu vaccine.

*headdesk*

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Mike Lamb  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:24:19am

re: #145 Dr Lizardo

Let’s hope it gets to neither of those grim scenarios. The last thing anyone in the world needs is a Spanish Flu 2.0 pandemic…..not to mention Captain Trips making the rounds.

The whole thing feels like it is orders of magnitude worse than China is reporting.

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jeffreyw  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:24:49am

Good morning!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:25:33am

re: #165 jeffreyw

Better be careful. Looks like Rodan is hungry.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:25:56am

re: #164 Mike Lamb

The whole thing feels like it is orders of magnitude worse than China is reporting.

It’s the feeling I’m getting as well. Hopefully, I’m wrong.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:33:49am
A shooting in Germany has claimed the lives of six people.

Early reports suggest the gunman has been captured after opening fire in Rot am See, a town in the Baden-Württemberg district of Germany.

A large police presence responded to the incident shortly before 12.50pm.

Aalen Police force tweeted: “Larger police operation in Rot am See because there was shooting.

“Several injuries, probably dead in a building.”

Police suggested that the shooting was linked to a “personal relationship” and that there were no other suspects at this point.

mirror.co.uk

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:36:35am

2020 needs to calm the fuck down.

A large explosion shook the city of Houston, Texas, early on Friday (Jan 24) morning, US media reported, with the noise waking many residents before dawn.

At least one person was injured by the blast, that also shattered windows and created a noise heard by people across a wide area, officials and media said.

Smoke and flames could be seen billowing from the area around the blast and emergency vehicles converged on the area.

“This is still an active scene. Avoid the area,” Houston Fire Chief Samuel Peña said on Twitter.

channelnewsasia.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:43:17am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

2020 needs to calm the fuck down.

channelnewsasia.com

It’s going to be a tumultuous year. It already is.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:49:32am

re: #164 Mike Lamb

The whole thing feels like it is orders of magnitude worse than China is reporting.

If this video posted by The Mirror is to be believed, it is (salt to taste).
Coronavirus: ‘Dead bodies pile up on floor’ at hospital overrun by outbreak

Disturbing video allegedly shows three dead bodies on the floor of a hospital struggling to cope with China’s coronavirus outbreak.

Nurses and others are seen stepping around the bodies, which are covered by white sheets, in a corridor packed with people apparently infected with the SARS-like virus.

Staff are wearing full-body protective suits while people waiting to be seen or given a bed are wearing masks.

The video is making the rounds on Weibo, a social media network in China, after it was posted by a woman claiming to be a nurse at a Wuhan hospital, which has been overwhelmed by the crisis.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:49:59am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

All that Petro Chem infrastructure is getting old ad in most cases, unmaintained. Especially now. They’re just getting started and will continue until industry gets their feet put back in the fire.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:56:02am

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I think that particular video might be legit. If it really is, oh boy.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:58:58am

An interesting take on Rogan’s endorsement

Let’s talk about Joe Rogan endorsing Bernie Sanders….

And a take on our new friend, the coronavirus

Let’s talk about China, pandemics, and conveying calm….

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:59:15am

re: #68 jaunte

Because it’s another subtly racist notion. Trump is the rich white guy, and Obama’s the black outsider who can’t get ahead without engaging in crimes. Trump’s flipping the script and lying his ass off and committing crimes daily.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:07:00am

re: #174 Sufficient unto the day…

And a good take in my opinion. Maybe it’s the calm demeanor. Strong point.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:11:15am

“And ma’am, what is it that holds up the earth?

“A giant turtle.

“And what holds up the turtle?”

“Another turtle; it’s turtles all the way down.”

With Trump, it’s obstruction all the way down.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:13:15am

This is kind of ominous…

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:13:34am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

Explosion took place at a warehouse/manufacturing company. One person is unaccounted for.

Peña said the explosion originated from a warehouse at Watson Grinding and Manufacturing, a machining and manufacturing company, at 4525 Gessner. Firefighters were on scene, and had taken one civilian to a hospital.

A hazardous materials team was on site investigating a chemical explosion.

CyFair ISD has closed Bane Elementary and Dean Middle schools, the district said. Students at other schools will remain indoors due to air quality concerns. At Spring Branch ISD, students will be kept indoors as well, officials there said.

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration fined the company about $8,000 in 2013 for violations related to the control of hazardous energy and wiring problems, records show. It was inspected again in 2015 and no violations were found.

The company’s most recent chemical inventory filed with the federal government in 2015 only listed liquid oxygen onsite. However, the Environmental Protection Agency only requires the disclosure of certain chemicals stored in quantities above specific thresholds.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:14:15am
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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:15:14am

re: #178 makeitstop

Every zombie apocalypse movie seems to start with something like this. /

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:15:43am

I just saw a headline at Japanese newspaper asahi.com that a Beijing U. professor with some expertise is estimating the number of those who have contracted the coronavirus at about 5,500. Not sure how he gets that number.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:18:17am

re: #178 makeitstop

I do online teaching as a side hustle, and normally, I get a lot of students from not only Wuhan but Hubei Province in general.

Now I was anticipating a slowdown owing to Chinese New Year but so far….bupkis. Not a single inbound call from anyone in China. I’ve been online for two hours now, and normally, I’d have taken at minimum about three 90-minute calls from students in that area by now.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:20:46am

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

Oops, I meant three 30-minute calls.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:21:57am

it all comes down to tv ratings…

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:22:38am

re: #178 makeitstop

This is kind of ominous…

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What if the Chinese government wants to keep information about what is going on off the internet as well?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:23:45am
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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:23:50am

re: #174 Sufficient unto the day…

Can you give me a 20 word version of the first one?

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:25:02am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:25:12am

re: #186 Belafon

What if the Chinese government wants to keep information about what is going on off the internet as well?

That actually wouldn’t surprise me. As a Taiwanese student pointed out yesterday to me, those lockdowns have the added bonus of information suppression. There were rumors (and just that, rumors) that Internet in Wuhan and other affected areas was being throttled.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:25:31am
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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:27:40am
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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:28:40am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:28:44am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

it all comes down to tv ratings…

If he ever gets put on trial for his crimes, the ratings will be yuge. He should take solace in that.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:29:29am

He’s really clueless

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:29:44am

re: #193 Belafon

Burn :).

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:31:53am

Trump’s making us respected the world over:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:31:56am

re: #195 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

He’s really clueless

They don’t want people knowing that they have no case but they do think they can distort it to their idiotic supporters due to people like Blackburn who already attacking Colonel Vindman as a partisan with no proof and misrepresenting the case. No one has said that presidents shouldn’t have the power to reduce aid to countries, the whole case is that Trump conditioned aid on investigating Biden and if people think that’s acceptable Presidential behavior, then we have a lot of authoritarian wannabes in this country.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:33:28am

re: #9 Ace Rothstein

But don’t be black and get caught with a dime bag of weed. You’ll get three years in jail for that.

Exactly. White collar crime pays.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:34:19am

re: #199 Scottish Dragon

Exactly. White collar crime pays.

Unless you’re ripping off rich white people.

See: Madoff, Bernie.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:37:21am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

So Putin and/or the Russian intelligence services are now directing neo-Nazi domestic terrorist groups in the US?

Time to put Russia on the State Department’s “sponsors of international terrorism” list, I’d say.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:37:52am

re: #200 Dr Lizardo

Even that…. steal billions, and you might see prison - Club Fed (because you’re not a violent offender), while minorities who steal food or $20 bucks might see harsher sentences.

The disparity is omnipresent across the entire criminal justice system. Heck, we see it with drug crimes - cocaine possession is treated lesser than crack, even if there’s less crack present. Why was crack treated harsher? Because minorities were more likely to be using/caught with it.

Enforcement is typically greatest in minority neighborhoods, even though drug crimes occur across entire nation without regard to race. Car stops disproportionately affect minorities.

The system is fixed to keep minorities subservient and paying the price without an opportunity to get ahead.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:38:20am

re: #179 lawhawk

Explosion took place at a warehouse/manufacturing company. One person is unaccounted for.

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Texas always seems to be the state for massive explosions at facilities that have not had a safety inspection since the 1980s.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:38:23am

I really want to think there’s a bottom to the craven defense of Trump, but Lindsey can always find more down.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:38:46am

re: #199 Scottish Dragon

Exactly. White collar crime pays.

“A man who has never gone to school may steal a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad.” Teddy Roosevelt.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:40:52am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:41:08am

re: #202 lawhawk

I heard a joke from a Czech fellow one time: “Steal 5,000 Kč and you’ll end up in Pankrac*. Steal five billion crowns, and you’ll end up in Kramář’s Villa**”.

*Pankrac is perhaps the Czech Republic’s most famous prison
**Kramář’s Villa is the official resident of the Czech Prime Minister

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:42:52am

The ask itself was a crime. It’s a federal felony. Trump broke the law with the ask.

No wonder Trump sought to bury the transcript on a secret classified server instead of letting the transcript see the light of day by those who’d normally view the information. He and his cronies knew it was evidence of crime, and by attempting to bury it on the secret server, committed additional felonies (obstruction, etc).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:43:55am

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

I heard a joke from a Czech fellow one time: “Steal 5,000 Kč and you’ll end up in Pankrac*. Steal five billion crowns, and you’ll end up in Kramář’s Villa**”.

*Pankrac is perhaps the Czech Republic’s most famous prison
**Kramář’s Villa is the official resident of the Czech Prime Minister

And you know? That’s why I get the appeal of Bernie Sanders even if I don’t like him and think his appeal is too narrow or misses the finer points. You create a system where money and monetary value matter more than humanity, you get people like that. And that’s unfortunately the system that the Roberts Court has helped to strengthen.

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Jay C  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:44:41am

re: #172 Dave In Austin

All that Petro Chem infrastructure is getting old ad in most cases, unmaintained. Especially now. They’re just getting started and will continue until industry gets their feet put back in the fire.

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen: especially in Texas, where “regulation of industry” is still considered an phrase too obscene to be mentioned in public.

It’s unsurprising that explosions like this happen a lot in the Lone Star State: it is, after all, where a lot of the petrochemical industry (and related enterprises) was located in the first place: and where that good old frontier tradition of self-regulation is still regarded as the foundation of “free enterprise”. As long as the costs of the insurance for the damage are less than those of regulations, inspections, and enforcement, stuff like this is going to keep on happening.

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John Hughes  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:45:11am

re: #21 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He’s a Democrat. Case closed.

Hunter Biden is a Democrat? How do you (or they) know that? Is it even true?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:45:34am

re: #208 lawhawk

The ask itself was a crime. It’s a federal felony. Trump broke the law with the ask.

No wonder Trump sought to bury the transcript on a secret classified server instead of letting the transcript see the light of day by those who’d normally view the information. He and his cronies knew it was evidence of crime, and by attempting to bury it on the secret server, committed additional felonies (obstruction, etc).

Quid Pro Quo- I’ll give you the aid you need against Russia if you announce you’re investigating Biden for me. Quid Pro Quo is the new collusion. Quid Pro Quos aren’t crimes in in itself just like collaborating with people isn’t but bribery, extortion, and conspiracy sure as hell are. And Trump abused his power with this.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:45:41am

re: #149 Dr Lizardo

The stupid, it burns.

And it votes

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:46:19am

re: #211 John Hughes

Hunter Biden is a Democrat? How do you (or they) know that? Is it even true?

He actually has a far worse crime. Being Joe Biden’s son.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:46:27am

re: #211 John Hughes

Hunter Biden is a Democrat? How do you (or they) know that? Is it even true?

They think, like Royalists, that politics is in the genes.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:46:37am

re: #213 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

And it votes

Yep, and that’s the worst part.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:47:12am

Pay your witcher…

washingtonpost.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:47:27am

re: #214 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He actually has a far worse crime. Being Joe Biden’s son.

Almost as bad as Presidentin’ while black.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:48:22am

re: #215 jaunte

They think, like Royalists, that politics is in the genes.

Burisma also had the former President of Poland who I doubt is an energy expert on their board too. From what I understand, I don’t think Hunter belonged on that board but you know what, it’s small potatoes compared to the fact that Jared fucking Kushner is the administration’s point man on the Middle East peace process or that Don Trump, Jr who is supposedly staying out of politics is one of his father’s big political attack dogs.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:48:58am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

Almost as bad as Presidentin’ while black.

I won’t blame Sasha or Malia Obama if they opt out of politics as a career because of how their father and mother were treated.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:51:09am

Uh, maybe someone should point out this is not all that “reassuring”…..

That looks like something straight out of Steven Soderbergh’s Contagion.
And I’m not knocking the doctors and their dangerous work.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:51:40am

re: #186 Belafon

What if the Chinese government wants to keep information about what is going on off the internet as well?

If access was cut off, it would show on the graph as a sudden drop. But the decrease in usage looks to be on a slow curve down, which would indicate that people were logging off gradually.

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John Hughes  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:53:20am

re: #43 Colère Tueur de Lapin

One state solution.

Either the end of the Jewish state or the beginning of Apartheid.

Trump and Netenyahu conspiring to destroy Israel.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:56:41am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:56:47am

re: #214 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He actually has a far worse crime. Being Joe Biden’s son.

And deadbeat father.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:57:49am

New Zealand, where police don’t kid around.

Stolen Northland therapy goat found, reunited with depressed cow

A pet ‘therapy’ goat who went missing from a property in Northland in December is now safely back home.

Peaches the goat formed an unlikely friendship with a depressed pet cow belonging to the Maungaturoto Hotel.

The cow, named Bunter, was left lonely after the death of a fellow cow some months earlier.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:58:02am

yes, please

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:00:10am

re: #225 Shropshire Slasher

And deadbeat father.

Well Republicans really have no room to attack anyone on parenting given the Trump brats.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:02:18am

This is the way. That is some Mandalorian shit right there.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:02:23am

re: #228 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The party of accused rapists and convicted child molesters likes to shame others for moral failings.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:02:41am

re: #224 jaunte

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I wonder if they’ll bring that up today

They used the live tweet against yovanovitch

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:04:24am

re: #231 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

I wonder if they’ll bring that up today

They used the live tweet against yovanovitch

My belief and I get the impression Schiff has a similiar belief is that it’s all an ongoing crime.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:04:27am

re: #227 Teddy’s Person

yes, please

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President orders shredding party this morning

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:05:41am

re: #230 jaunte

The party of accused rapists and convicted child molesters likes to shame others for moral failings.

Hypocrisy is a virtue they wield like a cudgel

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:06:34am

re: #188 Belafon

It’s a win-win for us. They’ll attack each other, some of them end up on our side, and some will clean up their act when they get to our side.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:06:54am

re: #173 Dr Lizardo

I think that particular video might be legit. If it really is, oh boy.

Yep, more cred:

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:07:00am

re: #232 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

My belief and I get the impression Schiff has a similiar belief is that it’s all an ongoing crime.

Thats what I’m thinking

“He’s still doing it. For all to see. Today. And to you”.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:09:15am

re: #234 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Hypocrisy is a virtue they wield like a cudgel

Like I just said

Washington Post:

“Such is the McConnell mantra: do what it takes to rise to power, and enjoy the criticism.”

“Being a man unbothered has served the 77-year-old McConnell well over the years. Immune to cries of hypocrisy, McConnell has changed stances on any number of issues since reaching public office, including his thoughts about Trump.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:09:47am

re: #237 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Thats what I’m thinking

“He’s still doing it. For all to see. Today. And to you”.

I really think he did conspire with elements of the Russian government to get help in the 2016 election. Was it Schiff or another manager that said that the evidence is there in plain sight? Yeah, it’s absurd to think a presidential candidate would actually call a foreign adversary for help in an election but we all saw him do it. I mean I guess you could make the observation that he doesn’t know the severity of what he’s done but it’s still a crime. Trump needed help to beat Clinton and now he needs help to beat Biden. He’s creating a dangerous precedent here.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:10:06am

re: #236 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

FFS, you can’t have bodies lying around in the corridors during an epidemic outbreak. I get that they’re understaffed and are dealing with an unprecedented situation, but they need to set up a makeshift morgue somewhere in the hospital, even if it’s in the basement or something and move the deceased to that makeshift morgue ASAP.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:10:46am

re: #238 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Like I just said

Washington Post:

He even admits it. He said that they would hold hearings for a SCOTUS vacancy this year. If people truly hate teh swamp, they should reject Mitch who is the biggest swamp monster and his puppet, Trump.

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Jay C  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:12:26am

re: #227 Teddy’s Person

yes, please

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Good luck with THAT, Liz: I’m sure that the departing Trump Administration will probably dig a deep firepit (in Michelle Obama’s vegetable garden), and stoke up a YUUUUGE bonfire to consume any and every bit of even remotely-incriminating data.
Maybe the new Admin can sue them for air pollution….

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:13:44am

re: #242 Jay C

Good luck with THAT, Liz: I’m sure that the departing Trump Administration will probably dig a deep firepit (in Michelle Obama’s vegetable garden), and stoke up a YUUUUGE bonfire to consume any and every bit of even remotely-incriminating data.
Maybe the new Admin can sue them for air pollution….

They won’t be able to get rid of them all. There are probably multiple copies. And what’s the point of this statement anyway?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:14:02am

Another dystopic nightmare presented as a feel good story by CBS.

Indentured servitude for your medical bills…

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:18:13am

And cue up the panic and media hysteria in 3….2….1….

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:18:42am

re: #244 Scottish Dragon

Another dystopic nightmare presented as a feel good story by CBS.

Indentured servitude for your medical bills…

This is overused but it’s true: It will be a great day when our schools have all the money they need, and our air force has to have a bake-sale to buy a bomber.

I don’t necessarily agree with all of it since I believe in a robust defense but people especially children shouldn’t have to fundraise for medical expenses and this is a huge indictment on our system and the idea that if you just leave it all up to charity, all will be good. I have no idea what my lot would be if I didn’t have the privileges I do have both as a heterosexual white guy and someone whose family is well to do. I can’t imagine what Asperger’s is like if you’re not straight or white or male and or if you don’t have well to do parents or guardians to help out.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:21:25am

Obvious constitutional defect that you make the legislature be the jury (and maker of the rules by majority), and vulnerable to the power of a president if they vote to convict but he remains in office.

Though only an idiot would make the threat out loud and explicit. (Which I guess is Lindsey’s argument - he’s an idiot and we shouldn’t remove him)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:24:58am

re: #144 Chrysicat

Good Lord. Best case is 1918, worst case may be that Stephen King wasn’t writing fiction.

If, and that’s a big if, the reported mortality rate of 3% is accurate, then it’s not close to 1918. The mortality rate there was 10%-20%. But given the increase in world population, if it’s as easily spread as the 1918 flu, there could be a similar number of deaths. But, we will probably learn the truth very soon.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:25:53am

Remember Norquist said that Republicans only needed a stooge with a pen in the Oval Office to approve their tax cuts and court packing.

Meanwhile Putin and his pals crack open another case of Cristal and laugh at how they’ve turned the US into a Soviet Satellite!

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:27:03am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:27:09am

Remarkable story about a woman who wrote Romance novels to save Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany. It would make a great movie!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:28:02am

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

If, and that’s a big if, the reported mortality rate of 3% is accurate, then it’s not close to 1918. The mortality rate there was 10%-20%. But given the increase in world population, if it’s as easily spread as the 1918 flu, there could be a similar number of deaths. But, we will probably learn the truth very soon.

We may find out soon enough when it spreads like wildfire especially thru the Red States that refused Medicaid expansion. And the Pulpit Pimps reply that it’s Gawd’s Judgement on Sinners…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:28:16am

re: #249 Joe Bacon 🌹

Remember Norquist said that Republicans only needed a stooge with a pen in the Oval Office to approve their tax cuts and court packing.

Meanwhile Putin and his pals crack open another case of Cristal and laugh at how they’ve turned the US into a Soviet Satellite!

And I think you really get at why the elected GOPers stay with Trump. Most of them probably can’t stand him on a personal level but he really is doing a lot of what they’ve always wanted. Trump really is the deformed bastard child of the worst of alll the elements of the American right. And then you’ve got his FP that is for Putin’s benefit.

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John Hughes  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:38:07am

re: #137 sagehen

Maybe somebody will notice that Obama kept Ebola out of the US […] and then developed a vaccine.

Obama worked for the Public Health Agency of Canada? Who knew that?

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:52:59am

And now for something completely different…

A bird sighting in NYC that is definitely interesting. Spotters found a red tailed hawk in Riverside Park. That’s not particularly news since we have lots of those hawks around the region.

But to see one perched 10 feet from a bald eagle?

Yeah, that’s upping the game some.

Update Via tweet:

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:55:01am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:56:11am

re: #256 Scottish Dragon

That’s the best description of the Trump admin I’ve ever heard.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:57:04am

re: #255 lawhawk

And now for something completely different…

A bird sighting in NYC that is definitely interesting. Spotters found a red tailed hawk in Riverside Park. That’s not particularly news since we have lots of those hawks around the region.

But to see one perched 10 feet from a bald eagle?

Yeah, that’s upping the game some.

Update Via tweet:

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Raptor version of this

Two Lynx in Ontario Have Intense Conversation

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:59:11am

I, for one, welcome our new ant overlords…..uh, I mean farmers:

Britain has a new farmed animal, which is kept in barns, milked and moved between high and low pastures - but not by humans.

The giant pale aphid, Stomaphis wojciechowskii, has lived undiscovered for thousands of years on English oak trees, where it has been looked after by brown ants.

In return for plentiful supplies of honeydew - the sugary water excreted by the aphid - the ants herd the aphids, keeping them safe in “barns” they build on tree trunks from mosses, lichens and the exoskeletons of beetles.

“It’s beautifully complex,” said Matt Shardlow, the chief executive of Buglife. “It is farming - they are milking the animals, moving them from high to low pastures and building shelters for them when there’s not enough protection.”

theguardian.com

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:59:33am

re: #256 Scottish Dragon

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that magic number is a mere 51 republican senators (50 with an R president)

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:12:29am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

I, for one, welcome our new ant overlords…..uh, I mean farmers:

theguardian.com

Watch Antz. They make references to aphids.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:13:37am

Wuhan construction effort pretty impressive.

dailymail.co.uk

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:13:38am

The Bernie cult and the Wang cult are a closely matched for sheer toxic hell…but the Berners are still in the lead.

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cat-tikvah  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:14:51am

re: #205 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

“A man who has never gone to school may steal a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad.” Teddy Roosevelt.

“Some will rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen” Woody Guthrie

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:15:26am

re: #261 Belafon

Watch Antz. They make references to aphids.

That is such a disturbing movie.

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calochortus  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:15:30am

re: #261 Belafon

Watch Antz. They make references to aphids.

Lots of ants farm aphids. I think the point was that no one noticed these ants were farming a previously unknown aphid pretty much in plain sight. Probably more a reflection of how many insects there are out there that are yet to be described as separate species.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:18:48am

re: #263 Scottish Dragon

The Bernie cult and the Wang cult are a closely matched for sheer toxic hell…but the Berners are still in the lead.

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I know people who support him. And I don’t think they understand the presidency.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:20:14am

Yesterday I saw someone wearing a mask in upstate NY.

Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced the patient is a 60-year-old woman who traveled to Wuhan, China, where the virus originated, in late December.

She arrived at O’Hare International Airport on January 13 - meaning it has been 11 days since she returned to the US - but did not begin experiencing symptoms until several days later.

dailymail.co.uk

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Jay C  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:22:13am

re: #255 lawhawk

And now for something completely different…

A bird sighting in NYC that is definitely interesting. Spotters found a red tailed hawk in Riverside Park. That’s not particularly news since we have lots of those hawks around the region.

But to see one perched 10 feet from a bald eagle?

Yeah, that’s upping the game some.

Update Via tweet:

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Wow!
I know a lot of tourists come to NYC for the food (and all those pigeons in the City have to be a flying buffet for raptors), but bald eagles?
Not your usual birdwatcher’s find. Not AFAICR….

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:23:12am

I just started wondering if I got the Wuhan. This thing is kicking me ass, and I haven’t been sick for years. Nose, throat, chest/cough, nasal headache, though no fever. But I have so little contact with travelers it makes no sense.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:24:18am

re: #267 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I know people who support him. And I don’t think they understand the presidency.

An acquaintance of mine, an economics professor and brilliant guy — and retirement age, supports Bernie. He’s a nice person but very left on policy and someone who supports tariffs. He views everything through a socialist lens.

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calochortus  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:26:11am

re: #270 BigPapa

I just started wondering if I got the Wuhan. This thing is kicking me ass, and I haven’t been sick for years. Nose, throat, chest/cough, nasal headache, though no fever. But I have so little contact with travelers it makes no sense.

(Puts on protective gear and mask) Sends hugs your way.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:26:19am

re: #262 Shropshire Slasher

Wuhan construction effort pretty impressive.

dailymail.co.uk

A 1000 bed hospital in LESS THAN A WEEK?!

Gee, I wonder how many corners will be cut there.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:26:30am

re: #255 lawhawk

And now for something completely different…

A bird sighting in NYC that is definitely interesting. Spotters found a red tailed hawk in Riverside Park. That’s not particularly news since we have lots of those hawks around the region.

But to see one perched 10 feet from a bald eagle?

Yeah, that’s upping the game some.

Update Via tweet:

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Out back of my favorite bar here in town is a deck overlooking the river. It is not surprising to see an eagle in a tree at the confluence and an osprey across the confluence in another tree hunting. I’ve never seen them hanging out at the same time in the same tree.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:26:42am

re: #270 BigPapa

I just started wondering if I got the Wuhan. This thing is kicking me ass, and I haven’t been sick for years. Nose, throat, chest/cough, nasal headache, though no fever. But I have so little contact with travelers it makes no sense.

It’s likely just a bad flu. Since there is no fever, probably not Wuhan.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:27:04am

re: #271 Hecuba’s daughter

An acquaintance of mine, an economics professor and brilliant guy — and retirement age, supports Bernie. He’s a nice person but very left on policy and someone who supports tariffs. He views everything through a socialist lens.

Notice I didn’t say stupid. I think yeah they view everything through a socialist lens. The irony is this. Bernie would be able impact less progressive change than a more moderate candidate because of how rigid he is. I don’t want a rigid ideologue.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:27:19am

re: #270 BigPapa

I just started wondering if I got the Wuhan. This thing is kicking me ass, and I haven’t been sick for years. Nose, throat, chest/cough, nasal headache, though no fever. But I have so little contact with travelers it makes no sense.

There are more common conditions that present the same. I have bad colds that have the same symptoms sometimes. Don’t go freaking out. If you haven’t been around any Chinese lately or anyone who has been to China, you probably don’t have it.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:28:07am

re: #263 Scottish Dragon

The Bernie cult and the Wang cult are a closely matched for sheer toxic hell…but the Berners are still in the lead.

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you’re right it wouldnt kill me.
nor will it help me in deciding who to vote for.
because in the primary it wont be him
because ‘engaging with people’ will not change what i know about him and why my support is elsewhere. (unless you’re implying im ignorant and need to be set straight)

i will vote blue no matter who, that includes bernie or any other candidate who was not my preference

will you say the same?

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:28:41am

re: #205 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

“A man who has never gone to school may steal a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad.” Teddy Roosevelt.

i would like to see this

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:29:01am

re: #271 Hecuba’s daughter

An acquaintance of mine, an economics professor and brilliant guy — and retirement age, supports Bernie. He’s a nice person but very left on policy and someone who supports tariffs. He views everything through a socialist lens.

The drummer in a band I was playing in was all-in on Bernie. There was no talking to him. He is steadfast in his refusal to get off the ‘Bernie wuz robbed!’ point that he also completely rejected the notion of Russia interfering in our elections.

Everything bad that has happened since Trump took office is because he didn’t get his fucking pony. I love the guy but haven’t spoken to him in over a year.

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Semper Fi  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:29:26am

re: #270 BigPapa

I just started wondering if I got the Wuhan. This thing is kicking me ass, and I haven’t been sick for years. Nose, throat, chest/cough, nasal headache, though no fever. But I have so little contact with travelers it makes no sense.

Doc will know what to do…when is your appointment?

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:29:54am

There are fucking tapes. Of course there’s fucking tapes. This is how Trumpworld operates.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:30:30am

re: #279 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

i would like to see this

I think he was referring to petty crime involving theft in a small scale versus more greater ones like bribery, violating anti trust laws, etc.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:30:35am

re: #270 BigPapa

I just started wondering if I got the Wuhan. This thing is kicking me ass, and I haven’t been sick for years. Nose, throat, chest/cough, nasal headache, though no fever. But I have so little contact with travelers it makes no sense.

as Dr. House would say ” no fever, no infection”

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:31:38am

re: #264 cat-tikvah

“Some will rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen” Woody Guthrie

A man with a briefcase can steal more money
than any man with a gun
- Don Henley Gimme What You Got

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:31:42am

re: #267 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I know people who support him. And I don’t think they understand the presidency.

Literally…and I mean literally….every Bernie supporter I see on twitter is a Green Lantern type who cannot be dissuaded that THE WHOLE WORKING CLASS SUPPORTS BERNIE AND BERNIE WILL BRING THE ENERGY AND LEADERSHIP TO REMAKE THE AMERICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM.

It’s a cult.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:31:50am

re: #269 Jay C

I’ve seen bald eagles around Northern NJ on occasion. A couple of times, while on the train going through the Meadowlands, and once getting harassed by a bunch of ravens flying near a power plant off the Turnpike near Overpeck Park (where bald eagles have been known to roost).

I saw one just last week up near Waldwick NJ on Route 17 perched in a tree.

It’s become a lot more common. And I totally welcome it.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:32:01am

re: #276 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Notice I didn’t say stupid. I think yeah they view everything through a socialist lens. The irony is this. Bernie would be able impact less progressive change than a more moderate candidate because of how rigid he is. I don’t want a rigid ideologue.

even less than that without the senate

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:32:26am

re: #281 Semper Fi

Doc will know what to do…when is your appointment?

Yup. I’m going to give this to my wife and she’s got deppressed immunity. She will not be pleased. We are already in a state of Diminished Snuggles.

Calling Kaiser at 8:01AM

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:32:28am

So, apparently Igor Fruman has leaked a tape of Trump talking with Parnas about Yovanovich and ordering them to “take her out.” This is interesting because it reads to me as the first signal of frustration from Fruman and message to the President’s team that they need to give him a deal. They’re saying, “if we have this, just imagine what else we might have.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:34:04am

uhhh, “Take her out” almost seems to imply something worse that just being fired.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:34:39am

re: #280 makeitstop

The drummer in a band I was playing in was all-in on Bernie. There was no talking to him. He is steadfast in his refusal to get off the ‘Bernie wuz robbed!’ point that he also completely rejected the notion of Russia interfering in our elections.

Everything bad that has happened since Trump took office is because he didn’t get his fucking pony. I love the guy but haven’t spoken to him in over a year.

They don’t get that Bernie has no appeal to PoC. He’d rather appeal to the angry white guy brigade which is why it does not shock me that more people are seeing that his appeal is similar to Ron Paul despite their opposite economic ideologies. TBH I don’t know why the hell so many people my age go to Joe Rogan for political wisdom. He’s not a particularly deep thinker and he’s known to throw softballs at those he favors along with expressing some very illiberal sentiments. I’m tired of the establishment sucks types who embrace any demagogue who makes empty promises.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:35:12am

re: #282 lawhawk

There are fucking tapes. Of course there’s fucking tapes. This is how Trumpworld operates.

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I have a feeling we find out the really bad stuff about this administration for ten years or so…but it will be much worse than what we have in front of us right now.

Probably will involve the Saudis and Trump/Kushner green lighting the murder of Kashoggi.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:36:14am

re: #286 Scottish Dragon

Literally…and I mean literally….every Bernie supporter I see on twitter is a Green Lantern type who cannot be dissuaded that THE WHOLE WORKING CLASS SUPPORTS BERNIE AND BERNIE WILL BRING THE ENERGY AND LEADERSHIP TO REMAKE THE AMERICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM.

It’s a cult.

Meanwhile they ignore the many working class people who do not. I’m tired of the idea deification of the white working class and I’m descended from UMWA and USA men.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:36:22am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

uhhh, “Take her out” almost seems to imply something worse that just being fired.

Yep.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:37:03am

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

So, apparently Igor Fruman has leaked a tape of Trump talking with Parnas about Yovanovich and ordering them to “take her out.” This is interesting because it reads to mea as the first signal of frustration from Fruman and message to the President’s team that they need to give him a deal. They’re saying, “if we have this, just imagine what else we might have.”

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Bad things are going to happen to her.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:37:27am

re: #283 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think he was referring to petty crime involving theft in a small scale versus more greater ones like bribery, violating anti trust laws, etc.

soemtimes its fun just to grammar pedant

of course he probably meant ‘steal the stuff out of a freight car’
for me it was an opportunity…

like this i saw yesterday: “pasture raised…butter”
those sticks cavorting around the bucolic fields?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:38:03am

re: #295 Dr Lizardo

Yep.

Exactly. And it doesn’t explain why Rudy was running a shadow Ukraine policy with shady elements.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:38:28am

re: #286 Scottish Dragon

Literally…and I mean literally….every Bernie supporter I see on twitter is a Green Lantern type who cannot be dissuaded that THE WHOLE WORKING CLASS SUPPORTS BERNIE AND BERNIE WILL BRING THE ENERGY AND LEADERSHIP TO REMAKE THE AMERICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM.

It’s a cult.

if that were true, he’d have the votes

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:38:45am

re: #287 lawhawk

I’ve seen bald eagles around Northern NJ on occasion. A couple of times, while on the train going through the Meadowlands, and once getting harassed by a bunch of ravens flying near a power plant off the Turnpike near Overpeck Park (where bald eagles have been known to roost).

I saw one just last week up near Waldwick NJ on Route 17 perched in a tree.

It’s become a lot more common. And I totally welcome it.

I used to see a golden eagle around Yucaipa, California when I was a kid. Huge bird. It landed on top of a fir tree and bent the whole top down.

Also, we had a clutch of baby hawks in the park by our place in Greensboro and they were adorable. After they got their flight feathers, they followed us around from tree to tree when we went walking and would land where ever we stopped and look to see if we had snacks. One took over the roof of my van and dared me to get in one morning.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:39:08am

re: #295 Dr Lizardo

Yep.

Yea, that sounds bad.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:39:29am

re: #299 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

if that were true, he’d have the votes

Bernie and Trump both I think fear Biden because he can get some of their support without making himself into a cult figure.

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:40:05am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s part of the Gangster’s Creed: use of euphemisms and sleight of rhetoric to communicate, but hard to trace or prove.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:40:13am

I’m not even voting for Biden as of now but I’ll give him credit in that he definitely understands the magnitude of the presidency.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:40:46am

re: #298 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. And it doesn’t explain why Rudy was running a shadow Ukraine policy with shady elements.

It’s all very…..Mafia-esque.

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danarchy  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:41:34am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

uhhh, “Take her out” almost seems to imply something worse that just being fired.

Which is exactly why it is in the headlines. Clickbait.

The full quote was:

“Get rid of her!” is what the voice that appears to be President Trump’s is heard saying. “Get her out tomorrow. I don’t care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. Okay? Do it.”

“Get her out” is a little more clearly saying remove her as ambassador. It’s just another sign of Trumps limited vocabulary.

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:41:46am

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

I’ve been thinking about Fruman for a couple of days, but silence. It couid be as you say. Or he could sing like a bird. He’ll be treated like Parnas, so he’s pretty dumb if he thinks he can get Trump to treat him well.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:41:59am

re: #303 BigPapa

That’s part of the Gangster’s Creed: use of euphemisms and sleight of rhetoric to communicate, but hard to trace or prove.

Or, in the words of Idi Amin, “Give him the VIP treatment.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:42:20am

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

It’s all very…..Mafia-esque.

Very. I read Selwyn Raab’s history of the five families in 2017. Trump governs like a Mafia Don.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:43:10am

re: #306 danarchy

Which is exactly why it is in the headlines. Clickbait.

The full quote was:

“Get rid of her!” is what the voice that appears to be President Trump’s is heard saying. “Get her out tomorrow. I don’t care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. Okay? Do it.”

“Get her out” is a little more clearly saying remove her as ambassador. It’s just another sign of Trumps limited vocabulary.

Still sounds very mobster.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:43:17am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

uhhh, “Take her out” almost seems to imply something worse that just being fired.

For sure. Pair that up with talk about ‘a price’ and being able to do whatever you want in Ukraine with enough money and saying ‘She’s going to go through some things’ and suddenly it doesn’t feel like you’re talking about firing her.

And I’m inclined to give these pig motherfuckers zero benefit of the doubt.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:44:08am

re: #306 danarchy

Which is exactly why it is in the headlines. Clickbait.

The full quote was:

“Get rid of her!” is what the voice that appears to be President Trump’s is heard saying. “Get her out tomorrow. I don’t care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. Okay? Do it.”

“Get her out” is a little more clearly saying remove her as ambassador. It’s just another sign of Trumps limited vocabulary.

The language implicates more than mere removal. Why? Because he’s talking to a different group of people than those who could actually remove her from the post.

Pompeo is the one who could remove her - he could recall her via legal and proper channels.

Instead, he’s talking to Parnas/Fruman, who are thug/goons who don’t have any authority to do anything legal here. They’re engaging in extrajudicial action at Trump’s behest to further Trump’s personal power and agenda that differs from official US foreign policy. That’s a crime in and of itself.

It goes to abuse of power.

The GOP has no response to this other than to bury their heads in the sand.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:44:28am

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

Or, in the words of Idi Amin, “Give him the VIP treatment.”

“Make him an offer he can’t refuse.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:46:05am

Trump makes Tony Soprano look like St. Francis.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:47:11am

re: #314 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump makes Tony Soprano look like St. Francis.

Trump is the Fredo Corleone of Tony Sopranos.

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:48:29am

We need to look beyond whether Orange meant to fire Yovanovitch or something else. The point is that it’s become unclear in this age and that in and of itself is a huge problem. In the age of Orange he’s cozied up to foreign govs and NGO that actually murder, hurt, or threaten people: Russian and SA are the most obvious.

This is not a way to run a government, unless you want us to be like Russia or SA. If so, this is good stuff.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:49:18am

The way that Foggy Bottom (DOS) refused to back Yovanovitch when Rudy was going on FNC and smearing her in his role as Trump’s agent was disgusting. She was made out to be a partisan when in fact she’ was actually an ambassador for the Bush administration longer and joined the foreign service under Reagan. You might be able to convince me that Trump’s inner circle doesn’t get that the foreign service and national security apparatuses are full of men and women like her who serve presidents of both parties but that to me is yet another argument against Trump. He wants absolute loyalty.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:49:41am

re: #315 makeitstop

Trump is the Fredo Corleone of Tony Sopranos.

Fucking farmers.

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plansbandc  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:50:33am

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:51:12am

Fredo is Donny Dr, Alt-Fredo is Eric. I will fight to the last breath anybody who does not follow this protocol.

(Fight till I’m out of breath, anyway)

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SteelPH  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:51:16am

re: #319 plansbandc

Boooo.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:52:03am

Trump said there were no injuries.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:53:17am

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

Trump lies so much that if he walked up to me and said, “Hi, I’m Donald Trump” I’d ask to see his ID.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:53:25am

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

Trump said there were no injuries.

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Trump doesn’t believe in trauma. He probably is one of those people who thinks Patton was a genius for slapping a soldier with ptsd.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:54:54am

re: #286 Scottish Dragon

Literally…and I mean literally….every Bernie supporter I see on twitter is a Green Lantern type who cannot be dissuaded that THE WHOLE WORKING CLASS SUPPORTS BERNIE AND BERNIE WILL BRING THE ENERGY AND LEADERSHIP TO REMAKE THE AMERICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM.

It’s a cult.

I would have to ask who they think the working class is?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:55:30am
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:55:54am

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

So, apparently Igor Fruman has leaked a tape of Trump talking with Parnas about Yovanovich and ordering them to “take her out.” This is interesting because it reads to me as the first signal of frustration from Fruman and message to the President’s team that they need to give him a deal. They’re saying, “if we have this, just imagine what else we might have.”

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A private dinner with Parnas whom the pResident doesn’t know at all. Hmmm

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:56:40am

Looks like there might be a third case of Wuhan Virus in the US.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:57:09am

re: #325 Belafon

I would have to ask who they think the working class is?

This. I can’t tell you how many people buy the mythos that Sanders alone has a pulse on the working class and a lot of these so called working class people are affluent people of privilege.

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:58:21am

re: #227 Teddy’s Person

yes, please

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If a Democrat is elected, I would not be surprised if there are not massive shredding parties in all departments.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:59:26am

re: #330 retired cynic

If a Democrat is elected, I would not be surprised if there are not massive shredding parties in all departments.

One thing that keeps me up is there’s what we know and there’s what we don’t know. What we know is bad enough. What we don’t well.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:00:04am

re: #330 retired cynic

If a Democrat is elected, I would not be surprised if there are not massive shredding parties in all departments.

And those shredding parties will kick off as soon as the election of the Democratic candidate is called on all the networks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:01:49am

re: #330 retired cynic

If a Democrat is elected, I would not be surprised if there are not massive shredding parties in all departments.

Yep, enough to make Enron look like they were just tossing few scraps in a wastebasket.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:02:14am

I’ve said it before but what they call the Deep State are actually dedicated, hard working public servants who serve both parties. My Dad’s father started working for the Feds under FDR and finished under LBJ and was still doing private casework into the Carter years. My mom started with the Feds under Carter or Reagan and is still a contractor for the Feds in the age of Trump. When they attack the “Deep State”, they are attacking public servants who work hard to make the country a better place. People who serve not an ideology but their country. And here’s another thing, a lot of them are veterans. Federal hires are disproportionally vets so when people like Trump’s allies on FNC or in the Senate like Senator Blackburn attack Colonel Vindman as “Obama officials”, they are attacking the troops to a large extent too.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:03:46am

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

Trump said there were no injuries.

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And if we had prior knowledge of the attack which I have seen reported, and we knew the missile defense battery had been moved to Saudi A. Why the fuck were these soldiers still there in harms way?

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Jay C  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:04:25am

re: #302 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Bernie and Trump both I think fear Biden because he can get some of their support without making himself into a cult figure.

And also because Joe is a “normal” political figure: experienced, reasonably competent, reasonably honest (despite the GOP bullshit, no “corruption” even near Trumpian levels);
and - worst of all, from their standpoint (at least IMO) - VERY electable.

Anyway, to me the Berniebros and their cult bring up unpleasant echoes of how Jeremy Corbyn led/dragged the Labour Party to such a needlessly crushing defeat in the UK’s December election*. Mainly though the classic Leftist failings: blinkered, self-righteous adherence to ideological absolutism coupled with a disciplined and unswerving Leader-cult; all the while dismissively oblivious to any other outside opinions, and firmly (if drastically wrongly) convinced that “the masses” will rise up to support them due mainly to the Manifest Righteousness Of The Cause. A Cause which, of course, can never fail, only be failed by insufficient faith and organizing….

*And yes, I realize the difference in the political/electoral structures between there and here don;t make this a perfect analogy: like I said, just “unpleasant echoes”…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:04:56am

re: #325 Belafon

I would have to ask who they think the working class is?

The WHITE working class…

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Jay C  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:07:13am

re: #325 Belafon

I would have to ask who they think the working class is?

Themselves, of course…

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:07:24am

re: #258 Scottish Dragon

Raptor version of this

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Video

LOL! Had my female cats running around the house with their hair standing on end!

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:08:57am

re: #339 retired cynic

LOL! Had my female cats running around the house with their hair standing on end!

Same at my place when I first found this!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:10:16am

re: #336 Jay C

And also because Joe is a “normal” political figure: experienced, reasonably competent, reasonably honest (despite the GOP bullshit, no “corruption” even near Trumpian levels);
and - worst of all, from their standpoint (at least IMO) - VERY electable.

Anyway, to me the Berniebros and their cult bring up unpleasant echoes of how Jeremy Corbyn led/dragged the Labour Party to such a needlessly crushing defeat in the UK’s December election*. Mainly though the classic Leftist failings: blinkered, self-righteous adherence to ideological absolutism coupled with an unswerving Leader-cult; all the while dismissively oblivious to any other outside opinions, and firmly (if drastically wrongly) convinced that “the masses” will rise up to support them due mainly to the Manifest Righteousness Of The Cause. A Cause which, of course, can never fail, only be failed by insufficient faith and organizing….

*And yes, I realize the difference in the political/electoral structures between there and here don;t make this a perfect analogy: like I said, just “unpleasant echoes”…

Ideological absolutism is going to result in us being back to where we started. And too many damn people whether they be Trumpists, Berners, or in the past Paulians don’t want to hear that. Ideological rigidness is going to get us nowhere and impede any progress that can be made. I think that’s what I hate when I see the Bernie left shit on Obama’s legacy. It’s like they have no appreciation for the fact that yeah Obama may not have gotten us universal and single payer but he helped get us in the right direction. I can’t get denied coverage anymore due to my heart condition. That should mean something but the presidency instead of being seen as a place of balance s sought out by either ideologues or smug unqualified assholes who think they can run a country despite little understanding of what the president does.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:12:53am

re: #337 Joe Bacon 🌹

The WHITE working class…

They really think they can get the white working class voting Democratic again like it’s 1936. They have totally ignored things like the Southern Strategy and the real reason why the New Deal consensus declined and that’s because enough white middle class and working class people were convinced that the programs that they embraced when FDR and Truman got them are now ebil socialism. Oh and here’s another thing but Biden typically has lived more modestly than Bernie has over the years. I don’t begrudge Bernie for living well but he loves to act like he’s the working class’s only voice, he’s not and he loves feeding that idea and it’s offensive horseshit to those of us who actually know a thing or two about rising through the system.

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Teukka  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:13:27am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

They are more and more earning the nicknames
o Tealiban;
o Y’all Qaeda;
o Yehawdis;
Can we have RWNJ’ed versions of:
o Salafists;
o Wahhabis;
o other fundamentalist outfits?

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:14:41am

re: #287 lawhawk

I’ve seen bald eagles around Northern NJ on occasion. A couple of times, while on the train going through the Meadowlands, and once getting harassed by a bunch of ravens flying near a power plant off the Turnpike near Overpeck Park (where bald eagles have been known to roost).

I saw one just last week up near Waldwick NJ on Route 17 perched in a tree.

It’s become a lot more common. And I totally welcome it.

We have lots up and down the Illinois River, esp. in winter. There is a big nest on the creek just north of my house, and that pair would come and fish in our ponds. And fly through the yard at about 20 feet up. Exciting!

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:16:32am
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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:18:00am
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Teukka  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:18:22am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

And cue up the panic and media hysteria in 3….2….1….

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Oh boy, 2020 is looking to become as fun as a sandpaper dildo…

In other news, what are your nickname suggestions for the bug?
Mine is “Captain Wuhan Trips”.

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:19:46am

re: #300 Scottish Dragon

I used to see a golden eagle around Yucaipa, California when I was a kid. Huge bird. It landed on top of a fir tree and bent the whole top down.

Also, we had a clutch of baby hawks in the park by our place in Greensboro and they were adorable. After they got their flight feathers, they followed us around from tree to tree when we went walking and would land where ever we stopped and look to see if we had snacks. One took over the roof of my van and dared me to get in one morning.

Back forty years, we had a really cold winter, and a big storm blew across from the west. And it brought a golden with it. He hung around for a while. Just huge! Our largest hawk is a rough legged, and they are big birds! One went up to challenge him and he would have fit entirely in one wing. The golden had a feather missing in one wing, and so I know I saw him several times in the area. I assume he was finally able to get back where he belonged!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:24:39am

re: #347 Teukka

Oh boy, 2020 is looking to become as fun as a sandpaper dildo…

In other news, what are your nickname suggestions for the bug?
Mine is “Captain Wuhan Trips”.

I just call it “Wuhan Virus”. I was thinking of “Wuhan Flu” (which would work quite nicely in an end-of-the-world genre flick), but it’s not actually a flu.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:29:49am
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:31:00am

re: #347 Teukka

Oh boy, 2020 is looking to become as fun as a sandpaper dildo…

In other news, what are your nickname suggestions for the bug?
Mine is “Captain Wuhan Trips”.

To Wuhan Flu….Please don’t kill me: Julie Newmar.

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Teukka  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:31:03am

re: #349 Dr Lizardo

I just call it “Wuhan Virus”. I was thinking of “Wuhan Flu” (which would work quite nicely in an end-of-the-world genre flick), but it’s not actually a flu.

Would that make, once the pandemic has run its course and all strains identified, make the family of virii the “Wuhan Clan”?

Too soon? K, I’ll show myself out…

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:31:14am

re: #341 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ideological absolutism is going to result in us being back to where we started. And too many damn people whether they be Trumpists, Berners, or in the past Paulians don’t want to hear that. Ideological rigidness is going to get us nowhere and impede any progress that can be made. I think that’s what I hate when I see the Bernie left shit on Obama’s legacy. It’s like they have no appreciation for the fact that yeah Obama may not have gotten us universal and single payer but he helped get us in the right direction. I can’t get denied coverage anymore due to my heart condition. That should mean something but the presidency instead of being seen as a place of balance s sought out by either ideologues or smug unqualified assholes who think they can run a country despite little understanding of what the president does.

if an R had won instead of obama, we would have gotten….nothing

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:32:14am

re: #345 Scottish Dragon

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he doesnt care

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b.d. (He's Impeached)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:35:44am

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

Uh, maybe someone should point out this is not all that “reassuring”…..

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That looks like something straight out of Steven Soderbergh’s Contagion.
And I’m not knocking the doctors and their dangerous work.

With my limited knowledge of vaccinations, if I drink a bunch of Coronas this weekend that will help my body build an immunity to the Coronavirus?

The poor anti-vaxxers gonna have to stick with Schlitz.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:40:44am

re: #353 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

if an R had won instead of obama, we would have gotten….nothing

We wouldn’t have legal SSM because a McCain Justice Department wasn’t going to fight for that and nor would they repealed DADT. People wanted Obama to be this savior that he was never going to be but then they don’t appreciate what Obama in fact did do and that was with a right wing opposition that hated him and a left wing that was hypercritical of his every move when they felt it wasn’t enough for them.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:40:48am
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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:41:29am

re: #343 Teukka

o Wahooabis

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:43:34am

How are people making these Dolly Parton meme challenge submissions? Is there a template?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:43:38am

re: #350 goddamnedfrank

That would of course be Elon Musk who thought it was in good form to call a man critical of him a pedophile.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:44:40am

re: #356 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We wouldn’t have legal SSM because a McCain Justice Department wasn’t going to fight for that and nor would they repealed DADT. People wanted Obama to be this savior that he was never going to be but then they don’t appreciate what Obama in fact did do and that was with a right wing opposition that hated him and a left wing that was hypercritical of his every move when they felt it wasn’t enough for them.

they truly would prefer 100% of nothing over some good percentage of something

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:45:16am

re: #357 goddamnedfrank

This is absolutely right. A few in my friend and family circle ask me for my political input because I probably read the most current events and they’re shocked that I don’t like Bernie. I tell them to look at what people who know Bernie well in Vermont say. I told them to look at what the former governor of Vermont had to say about how Bernie is to women who threaten his ambitions. It ain’t pretty.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:46:27am

re: #361 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

they truly would prefer 100% of nothing over some good percentage of something

Yep and while I’m an idealist, I’m also a pragmatist too. It was said in the Franklin biography I just read but America’s successes have always been when we’ve combined the spirit of both idealism and pragmatism.

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ericblair  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:48:06am

re: #361 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

they truly would prefer 100% of nothing over some good percentage of something

Purity. Actually running a government means getting your hands dirty, making difficult choices, and possibly getting it wrong. Much better to throw stones from the sidelines and tell all how you’d never stoop to this or that. Your hands are clean.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:48:56am

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:49:21am
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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:50:54am

re: #334 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s an excellent point that has been jingling around my noggin for a bit, but not was well put together. There’s this grotesque fetish to support the troops, just as the Citizens of Gilead say ‘Blessed Be’ to each other in passing among their daily rituals. But the military is composed a vast number of people who push pencils, the admin, all the tedium of daily life while never picking up a weapon. They’re asked to do this in other countries, or to move inside the country every 2-3 years in a ‘deployment’ where you have to uproot your family to move to the next base. Not glamorious or glorious, it’s the work. And they do it.

I see no difference between those servants in uniform and the others who wear suits or pantsuits, doing work they can or cannot talk to their family about, some of it serious, much of it tedious, but none the less important. It’s all work.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:51:45am

re: #365 The Pie Overlord!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:51:51am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:52:52am

re: #365 The Pie Overlord!

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:53:52am

re: #365 The Pie Overlord!

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:54:58am

re: #365 The Pie Overlord!

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:55:37am

re: #350 goddamnedfrank

This Rogan/Bernie event unfolding in real time is like watching an populist insurgency succumb to an intellectual Coronavirus that was predicted due compromised intellectual immunity system.

Sorry for the long sentence but I’m hopped up on le cold drogas.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:55:38am

re: #367 BigPapa

That’s an excellent point that has been jingling around my noggin for a bit, but not was well put together. There’s this grotesque fetish to support the troops, just as the Citizens of Gilead say ‘Blessed Be’ to each other in passing among their daily rituals. But the military is composed a vast number of people who push pencils, the admin, all the tedium of daily life while never picking up a weapon. They’re asked to do this in other countries, or to move inside the country every 2-3 years in a ‘deployment’ where you have to uproot your family to move to the next base. Not glamorious or glorious, it’s the work. And they do it.

I see no difference between those servants in uniform and the others who wear suits or pantsuits, doing work they can or cannot talk to their family about, some of it serious, much of it tedious, but none the less important. It’s all work.

Right wingers will accuse liberals of not respecting the sacrifices of the troops which I think is laughable bs but those same right wingers will bitch about “greedy” teachers and “lazy” bureaucrats. I can tell you this much, my mom is one of the hardest working people I have ever known and she’s a government lifer but right wing propaganda will tell you that she’s lazy and that some asshole in corporate is not simply he’s in it for money. My mom like her parents before her has always been about her family and community.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:57:33am

re: #373 BigPapa

This Rogan/Bernie event unfolding in real time is like watching an populist insurgency succumb to an intellectual Coronavirus that was predicted due compromised intellectual immunity system.

Sorry for the long sentence but I’m hopped up on le cold drogas.

I call it fake populism because let’s face it, Bernie and Joe live a lot better than we do but they are contemptuous of more moderate minded people who do not. Incrementalists scare the crap out of people like this because they actually get shit done. Bernie and Rogan are just talk.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:58:15am

re: #367 BigPapa

That’s an excellent point that has been jingling around my noggin for a bit, but not was well put together. There’s this grotesque fetish to support the troops, just as the Citizens of Gilead say ‘Blessed Be’ to each other in passing among their daily rituals. But the military is composed a vast number of people who push pencils, the admin, all the tedium of daily life while never picking up a weapon. They’re asked to do this in other countries, or to move inside the country every 2-3 years in a ‘deployment’ where you have to uproot your family to move to the next base. Not glamorious or glorious, it’s the work. And they do it.

I see no difference between those servants in uniform and the others who wear suits or pantsuits, doing work they can or cannot talk to their family about, some of it serious, much of it tedious, but none the less important. It’s all work.

institutionalists and institutional knowledge
sometimes called bureaucrats (sure some are)
they know how things work, how they get done, and where everything is

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:58:30am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:00:01am

re: #365 The Pie Overlord!

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re: #365 The Pie Overlord!

So sorry to hear. They put a stent in both my legs and have me on Pradaxa. Hoping that he will be well soon!!!!!,

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:00:22am

Ding ding ding. I’ve been saying this too:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:01:22am

re: #376 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

institutionalists and institutional knowledge
sometimes called bureaucrats (sure some are)
they know how things work, how they get done, and where everything is

More than ever we’d rather hear the guy who promises the world than the guy who explains the realities of the system. The sad irony is for all the attacks on how Clinton “ignored” the Rust Belt, she actually had a plan that was going to help those communities but they wanted easy answers. And that’s what we risk when we treat people like the Pauls, Trumps, and Sanders of the ideological universe like they should be our leaders. The biggest mouth isn’t the best mouth.

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Teukka  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:01:24am

re: #373 BigPapa

This Rogan/Bernie event unfolding in real time is like watching an populist insurgency succumb to an intellectual Coronavirus that was predicted due compromised intellectual immunity system.

Sorry for the long sentence but I’m hopped up on le cold drogas.

Same here, hence my corny ideas…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:02:00am

re: #379 lawhawk

Ding ding ding. I’ve been saying this too:

They really hurt Ukrainian democracy with this stunt.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:04:38am

Anyhow gym time for me. Later all.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:10:02am
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:11:36am

re: #379 lawhawk

Ding ding ding. I’ve been saying this too:

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trump has demonstrated time and again he deserves NO benefit of the doubt. Ever.

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William Lewis  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:13:53am

re: #365 The Pie Overlord!

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:14:58am

re: #380 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

More than ever we’d rather hear the guy who promises the world than the guy who explains the realities of the system. The sad irony is for all the attacks on how Clinton “ignored” the Rust Belt, she actually had a plan that was going to help those communities but they wanted easy answers. And that’s what we risk when we treat people like the Pauls, Trumps, and Sanders of the ideological universe like they should be our leaders. The biggest mouth isn’t the best mouth.

what some people tend to miss is there are actually two ‘jobs’ that have to go on simultaneously and constantly in any company/organization/government

- operations or working ‘in’ - getting stuff done
- structure or working ‘on’ - how things work, are they efficient, should ‘the system’ be changed and how

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:53:24am

re: #270 BigPapa

I just started wondering if I got the Wuhan. This thing is kicking me ass, and I haven’t been sick for years. Nose, throat, chest/cough, nasal headache, though no fever. But I have so little contact with travelers it makes no sense.

You didn’t pocket an ancient tiki idol recently, did you?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:51:51pm

re: #334 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ve said it before but what they call the Deep State are actually dedicated, hard working public servants who serve both parties. My Dad’s father started working for the Feds under FDR and finished under LBJ and was still doing private casework into the Carter years. My mom started with the Feds under Carter or Reagan and is still a contractor for the Feds in the age of Trump. When they attack the “Deep State”, they are attacking public servants who work hard to make the country a better place. People who serve not an ideology but their country. And here’s another thing, a lot of them are veterans. Federal hires are disproportionally vets so when people like Trump’s allies on FNC or in the Senate like Senator Blackburn attack Colonel Vindman as “Obama officials”, they are attacking the troops to a large extent too.

And it took a lot of work and legislation to get the Civil Service system into place to replace the old spoils system where *all* the positions were doled at as favors after an election. (Charles Guiteau would seem to fit right in with the Trump Administration.)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:56:55pm

re: #258 Scottish Dragon

Replay that video with closed captioning turned on…..

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:02:59pm

re: #315 makeitstop

Trump is the Fredo Corleone of Tony Sopranos.

Trump is Mr. Morden, and we are Vir Cotto:

Babylon 5 Vir answers Mr Morden

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A Mom Anon  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:19:05pm

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