Microsoft released version 8 of their web browser today: Internet Explorer 8: Home page.
I haven’t installed it yet, so this may not be entirely fair, but based on past experience developing web software for Internet Explorer I admit to feeling a sense of dread.
1 |
Sharmuta Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:48:42am |
Awesome! Another version of Internet Exploder for me to ignore.
| 3 |
MrSilverDragon Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:49:33am |
Microsoft, making it easier for your computer to get a virus.
| 5 |
Shug Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:50:19am |
I hope Obama installs it on his teleprompter
I can't wait to see the blue screen of uuuuhh uuh uuhhhh
| 6 |
Sharmuta Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:51:15am |
IE8- sure to be slightly less disappointing than the 0bama administration.
| 8 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:53:03am |
re: #3 MrSilverDragon
Microsoft, making it easier for your computer to get a virus.
Millions of hackers who found security holes in the betas are rubbing their hands together in glee.
| 9 |
Sharmuta Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:53:19am |
I would wait for the inevitable patch before I downloaded this puppy.
| 10 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:53:24am |
I wonder how long before the security vulnerabilities one can sail a tanker ship through become common hacker knowledge.
| 11 |
oc livin Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:54:02am |
"Get the facts on browser performance" link on that page is dead.
[Link: www.microsoft.com...]
Ironic ...
| 12 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:54:15am |
re: #10 FurryOldGuyJeans
I wonder how long before the security vulnerabilities one can sail a tanker ship through become common hacker knowledge.
They probably are known to the hackers already.
| 13 |
gmsc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:54:47am |
re: #9 Sharmuta
I would wait for
the inevitable patchhell to freeze over and pigs to sprout wings before I downloaded this puppy.
FTFY
| 14 |
truth stick Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:55:14am |
awesome, I hope this one is better than the last.....I will still stick to my Firefox. Unfortunately I have to use I.E. for the Customs clearance, and IFTA.
| 15 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:55:53am |
As recession deepens, more Americans go fishing
"I'm seeing a lot more fishermen down here," said John Miller, owner of Bob's Sport & Tackle in Katonah, New York. "With the economy the way it is, people are getting laid off from work and don't want to sit at home and do nothing.
"The cheaper alternative," he said, "is to go fishing."
| 16 |
lawhawk Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:55:57am |
I just bet hackers are licking their chops over the ability to infiltrate and infect countless hapless computers because IE continues to follow a troubling trend of providing an insecure browsing environment.
I wont take bets on when MSFT will issue their first major security patch to fix major holes. That's a sucker's bet.
| 17 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:56:08am |
I use IE6 as my alternate secondary browser simply because I continue using 98SE, and I am constantly subjected to unwanted and unwarranted demands I upgrade to IE7 at random times I start up IE6. How long before I get lectured I MUST upgrade to IE8, which I can't run.
| 20 |
Sharmuta Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:56:30am |
re: #13 gmsc
Well- that too, but a patch pool might be fun.
I pick the first patch is in 15 hours and 26 minutes.
| 21 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:56:35am |
I think I'll stick with FireFox for home use. It's so much faster than Internet Exploder.
| 23 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:56:51am |
re: #14 truth stick
awesome, I hope this one is better than the last.....I will still stick to my Firefox. Unfortunately I have to use I.E. for the Customs clearance, and IFTA.
But those probably won't work with IE8 for a while.
| 24 |
Buck Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:56:51am |
re: #11 oc livin
"Get the facts on browser performance" link on that page is dead.
[Link: www.microsoft.com...]Ironic ...
I found the same thing, and when I went to install... it said my Vista was not supported...
| 25 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:57:30am |
re: #16 lawhawk
I just bet hackers are licking their chops over the ability to infiltrate and infect countless hapless computers because IE continues to follow a troubling trend of providing an insecure browsing environment.
I wont take bets on when MSFT will issue their first major security patch to fix major holes. That's a sucker's bet.
I will say it will be no later than the next Patch Tuesday.
| 26 |
gmsc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:58:08am |
re: #18 HelloDare
With all those lawyers in the democratic party, you'd think that at least one of them would understand the phrase ex post facto.
| 27 |
alegrias Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:58:20am |
| 28 |
Kragar Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:58:54am |
Luckily, my office wont have to worry about patching this.
We're still on IE6
| 29 |
oh_dude Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:59:08am |
I've tried to defend Microsoft before, but yeah IE7 is a piece of junk. The problem is however that using a browser for personal use is a no brainer, but what about in business?
We deploy MS Sharepoint services and only IE works with it. Sure you can use Firefox or Safari, but they don't support all of the functionality.
Does Apple or Mozilla offer a collaborative and content management server system? Nope.
IE will never go away. Sorry.
| 30 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:59:13am |
re: #21 Honorary Yooper
I think I'll stick with FireFox for home use. It's so much faster than Internet Exploder.
The one gripe I have with Firefox is that the thing takes marginally longer to load than IE. Other than that I prefer FF over IE simply because I prefer the security and ease of ability to customize FF to work the way I want.
| 31 |
cronus Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:59:42am |
The IT director at my old job had only one standing written rule. "No one is allowed to ask me about installing any MSFT application until the first service pack is released."
| 33 |
Nemesis6 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:59:44am |
I'll keep my lovely Firefox 3.0.7 with Adblock Plus, ForecastBar Enhanced. I am a bit curious though, but then again... nah.
| 34 |
Happy Fun Ball Thu, Mar 19, 2009 11:59:59am |
re: #26 gmsc
With all those lawyers in the democratic party, you'd think that at least one of them would understand the phrase ex post facto.
Or Contract Clause.
| 35 |
loppyd Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:00:09pm |
Just posted this on the previous thread....
Mitt Romney will be on Larry King tonight.
Talking economy @ 9:30 EST
| 36 |
Colonel Panik Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:01:40pm |
| 37 |
lawhawk Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:01:41pm |
re: #27 alegrias
The House website shows the following actions taken:
H.R. 1216:
to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 1100 Town and Country Commons in Chesterfield, Missouri, as the "Lance Corporal Matthew P. Pathenos Post Office Building"2:55 P.M. -
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by voice vote.
Considered as unfinished business.
H. Con. Res. 76:
expressing the sense of the Congress regarding executive and employee bonuses paid by AIG and other companies assisted with taxpayer funds provided under the Troubled Assets Relief Program of the Secretary of the Treasury2:54 P.M. -
On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Failed by the Yeas and Nays (2/3 required): (Roll No. 144).Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
2:45 P.M. -
Considered as unfinished business.H.R. 1586:
to impose an additional tax on bonuses received from certain TARP recipients
The House Democrats were hoping to suspend the usual rules on amendments and such on H1586 to speed its passage. That motion failed. The bill still lives.
| 38 |
Raven1 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:01:53pm |
| 39 |
Lee Coller Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:02:22pm |
re: #17 FurryOldGuyJeans
I use IE6 as my alternate secondary browser simply because I continue using 98SE, and I am constantly subjected to unwanted and unwarranted demands I upgrade to IE7 at random times I start up IE6. How long before I get lectured I MUST upgrade to IE8, which I can't run.
Try installing this:
[Link: www.microsoft.com...]
It will block the attempts to download IE7 (and presumably IE8).
| 40 |
pink freud Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:03:06pm |
House vote on the bill ....328/93 FOR taxing bonuses at 90% ....goes to Senate now.
| 41 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:03:32pm |
re: #32 Sharmuta
Safari is still the best browser, imo.
Not available for 98SE. At least Mozilla understands the needs and wants of po' folks like me.
| 42 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:03:53pm |
re: #27 alegrias
* * *
Carl Cameron of FOX says it FAILED to pass!
You sure you heard him right? The link says the vote was 328-93. Hard to get that mixed up
| 43 |
Shug Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:04:12pm |
re: #11 oc livin
"Get the facts on browser performance" link on that page is dead.
[Link: www.microsoft.com...]Ironic ...
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
| 44 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:04:24pm |
I use FireFox with NoScript as my primary browser, but I use IE for Microsoft sites (I spend a lot of time reading their "documentation" trying to find the stuff they don't want to tell me), and a few other sites.
I'll wait for a while before moving to IE8.
| 45 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:04:30pm |
Golem Akbar!
If you see this, please check your e-mail, I sent you a note.
| 46 |
HelloDare Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:04:41pm |
Where we got our new foreign policy?
Bonobos Make Love, Not War. Does Species Facing Extinction Hold Cues to the Origins of Man?In the middle of one of the least explored places on the planet, you can catch a glimpse of man's closest cousin.
Bonobos are thought of as possibly the only animals who resolve their conflicts not through violence, but through sex. In fact, they are also believed to be among the only animals, other than humans, who have sex for fun, as opposed to just for breeding.
| 47 |
Lee Coller Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:05:33pm |
re: #39 Lee Coller
Try installing this:
[Link: www.microsoft.com...]
It will block the attempts to download IE7 (and presumably IE8).
Looking closer, I don't think that will install on 98SE, however, you should be able to manually set the registry setting listed, and I would think that would stop the attempted upgrades.
| 48 |
Happy Fun Ball Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:05:58pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
You sure you heard him right? The link says the vote was 328-93. Hard to get that mixed up
Unless he thought it was 93-328 against.
| 49 |
alegrias Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:06:26pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
You sure you heard him right? The link says the vote was 328-93. Hard to get that mixed up
*****
Sure thought I heard him say 100 votes had just changed sides in the last minutes or so. Bizarre but true!
| 50 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:06:40pm |
re: #45 WriterMom
Golem Akbar!
If you see this, please check your e-mail, I sent you a note.
Wouldn't that be true even if he DOESN'T see your post!?!?!
//
| 51 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:07:16pm |
re: #39 Lee Coller
Try installing this:
[Link: www.microsoft.com...]
It will block the attempts to download IE7 (and presumably IE8).
Ummm, did you bother to look at the page you suggested? I didn't say IE7 tried to download, which this MS craplet tries to disable; besides the fool thing is for Server 2003 and XP only. I run 98SE.
All that happens is at random times during IE6 browser startup do I get hijacked to an MS page telling me I should download IE7. My home page I set to a blank page, and I dislike the fact that MS periodically hijacks the browswer.
| 52 |
lawhawk Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:08:03pm |
re: #40 pink freud
That was a motion to suspend the rules and pass. The actual vote to pass hasn't occurred yet.
| 53 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:08:12pm |
re: #50 sattv4u2
Oh no-if he doesn't see it, then I really didn't send it. See?
| 54 |
Shug Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:08:27pm |
re: #36 Colonel Panik
OT but funny.
Timothy Geitner and Beavis. Separated at Birth?
Stimulus. Heh heh. Package. Heh heh.
I think he looks more like Geitner
I have the same amount of trust for both men
| 55 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:09:17pm |
re: #53 WriterMom
Oh no-if he doesn't see it, then I really didn't send it. See?
No,, but my eyes are closed ,, does that count?
| 57 |
opnion Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:10:03pm |
re: #27 alegrias
* * *
Carl Cameron of FOX says it FAILED to pass!
Either way it is unconstitutional. It is tantamount to a Bill of Attainder, singling out an individual or group for punitive punishment without a trial
| 58 |
pink freud Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:10:09pm |
re: #52 lawhawk
That was a motion to suspend the rules and pass. The actual vote to pass hasn't occurred yet.
Ok, thanks, I got the info from top of the hour ABC radio news.
| 60 |
loppyd Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:10:26pm |
| 61 |
Dwayne Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:10:30pm |
Mac security researcher wins Pwn2Own contest with Safari hackBy Prince McLean
Published: 01:55 AM EST
In a repeat performance of last year, security researcher Charlie Miller arrived at the CanSecWest conference this week with a prepared exploit to use in cracking Safari running on Mac OS X.
Unsurprisingly, Miller was able to use his exploit to immediately win the event's "Pwn2Own" contest, generating headlines that suggested that Macs are inherently less secure, despite the fact that every browser involved in the contest failed on the first day.
[Link: www.appleinsider.com...]
I have an equal sense of dread with all the other browsers... But anti-Microsoft biases are entertaining.
| 62 |
cronus Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:10:32pm |
I don't know why but every time I look at my MSFT stock the theme from "As the World Turns" starts running through my head.
| 63 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:10:33pm |
re: #52 lawhawk
That was a motion to suspend the rules and pass. The actual vote to pass hasn't occurred yet.
Wall Street Journal say it was the vote, not a vote to suspend rules
[Link: www.marketwatch.com...]
| 64 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:11:16pm |
re: #60 loppyd
Wassup, sistah? Has spring sprung there? I just got back from a Lizard Lunch. Really fun stuff.
| 66 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:11:23pm |
re: #56 WriterMom
You're cruisin for a brusin mister....
Will I feel it if my eyes are stil closed and don't see it happen?
| 67 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:11:33pm |
re: #39 Lee Coller
Try installing this:
[Link: www.microsoft.com...]
It will block the attempts to download IE7 (and presumably IE8).
Typical of the arrogance and sheer stupidity of MS that it requires a totally separate tool to disable automatic updates for IE 8:
Toolkit to Disable Automatic Delivery of Internet Explorer 8
| 70 |
Racer X Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:12:05pm |
If these dumbasses in Washington want to tax the hell out of the AIG bonuses, fine. But I expect those same dumbasses to at least PAY their fucking taxes once in a while.
Assholes.
| 71 |
rawmuse Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:12:08pm |
I was going to install IE8, but then I remembered I have to go rotate the air in my tires.
| 72 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:12:16pm |
re: #57 opnion
Either way it is unconstitutional. It is tantamount to a Bill of Attainder, singling out an individual or group for punitive punishment without a trial
Since when has the law ever stopped Congress from mandating populist crap?
| 73 |
Ford_Prefect Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:12:34pm |
re: #66 sattv4u2
Will I feel it if my eyes are stil closed and don't see it happen?
Do you really want to find out the answer to that question?
| 75 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:12:49pm |
I had some real problems with it, especially when turning on and off the compatibility feature, I switched to FF with this release.
| 76 |
lawhawk Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:12:53pm |
re: #52 lawhawk
Damn... misread that later provision - the wires are all reporting it as having passed 328-93 (with half the GOP switched votes to Yes at last moment).
| 77 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:12:56pm |
| 78 |
loppyd Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:12:58pm |
re: #64 WriterMom
Wassup, sistah? Has spring sprung there? I just got back from a Lizard Lunch. Really fun stuff.
Nuthin. It's cloudy and kind of raw here today - typical March weather. But it was lovely this past weekend. How is it up in Canadastan? How's life and all that jazz?
| 79 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:13:31pm |
re: #70 Racer X
If these dumbasses in Washington want to tax the hell out of the AIG bonuses, fine. But I expect those same dumbasses to at least PAY their fucking taxes once in a while.
Assholes.
What,,,, and disqualify themselves from consideration for a cabinet post !?!?!
//
| 81 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:14:23pm |
re: #76 lawhawk
Damn... misread that later provision - the wires are all reporting it as having passed 328-93 (with half the GOP switched votes to Yes at last moment).
Fox just did an update, 100 votes switched on a dime, which makes me chuckle at the distraction this has been all along. Meantime, what was congress really doing that this was distraction for?
| 82 |
Last Mohican Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:14:44pm |
re: #75 Thanos
I had some real problems with it, especially when turning on and off the compatibility feature, I switched to FF with this release.
I noticed that feature. It looks like they know that Internet Explorer 8 doesn't work with a lot of web sites. But they have included a button that you can push when you go to those web sites, which will then make it work. I find that to be sort of a philosophically challenging concept, in terms of software design.
| 83 |
loppyd Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:14:49pm |
This tax business that just passed the House is setting a very dangerous precedent, folks.
| 85 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:15:08pm |
re: #61 Dwayne
I have an equal sense of dread with all the other browsers... But anti-Microsoft biases are entertaining.
The biggest security feature of the Mac is that there are too few of them to warrant a lot of work by hackers.
You want credit card numbers? They're on servers by Microsoft, Sun, IBM.
Want a botnet? You'll get a much larger one attacking Windows.
If you have specific Mac users to target, though, it would be worth the effort.
Me? I use both Mac and Windows, and find problems with them BOTH. (Horrors!)
| 86 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:15:42pm |
re: #78 loppyd
It's a little chilly here, but sunny. The local lizards and I had a great lunch, so I can't complain..family good, too.
| 87 |
lawhawk Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:15:46pm |
re: #63 sattv4u2
Wall Street Journal say it was the vote, not a vote to suspend rules
[Link: www.marketwatch.com...]
I'm reading the House floor schedule, and it shows the vote, but the title under consideration is a motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill. That is the confusing part - I thought that was just the motion to suspend the rules and move on to a separate vote to pass the bill, but everyone is apparently treating it like that is the vote to pass the bill.
Either way, this bill was going to pass the House, Senate and be on Obama's desk before long because the GOP doesn't have the votes to stop it and the con-law expert Obama is going to sign it regardless of the fuzzy constitutionality of the confiscatory tax provisions.
| 88 |
loppyd Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:16:12pm |
re: #86 WriterMom
It's a little chilly here, but sunny. The local lizards and I had a great lunch, so I can't complain..family good, too.
Excellent! I'll email you tonight and we can dish. :~)
| 89 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:16:22pm |
re: #83 loppyd
This tax business that just passed the House is setting a very dangerous precedent, folks.
Its called Socialism and populist pandering crapola.
| 90 |
opnion Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:16:30pm |
re: #72 FurryOldGuyJeans
Since when has the law ever stopped Congress from mandating populist crap?
If the AIG bonus recipients petitioned the court for injunctive relief, I wonder what would happen. They won't do it, but I would like to see it.
| 91 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:16:32pm |
re: #82 Last Mohican
I noticed that feature. It looks like they know that Internet Explorer 8 doesn't work with a lot of web sites. But they have included a button that you can push when you go to those web sites, which will then make it work. I find that to be sort of a philosophically challenging concept, in terms of software design.
The problem with their compatibility feature is that in some cases they still aren't there with their workaround. It sucks.
| 92 |
loppyd Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:17:04pm |
re: #89 FurryOldGuyJeans
Its called Socialism and populist pandering crapola.
If I were one of the recipients I would file a lawsuit immediately.
| 93 |
ChefJeff Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:17:14pm |
Sigh.....I don't even install IE 7 on my servers and I have a group policy that will not allow the download of it to the clients either. I wish I could push Firefox really.....
| 94 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:17:44pm |
re: #83 loppyd
I think Americans should be ABSOLUTELY revolted and get active on this. If your government can pass an instant law taxing income that is legally yours in this kind of manner, it can happen to anyone in any industry. They should have just either deducted that money from the bail out and/or the AIG leadership (ie: THE GOVERNMENT) say to the employees: tough pattooties, sue us.
| 95 |
Russkilitlover Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:18:28pm |
re: #70 Racer X
If these dumbasses in Washington want to tax the hell out of the AIG bonuses, fine. But I expect those same dumbasses to at least PAY their fucking taxes once in a while.
Assholes.
Is the Bill just for AIG? Or does it cover ALL business who receive bailout money?
| 96 |
zombie Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:19:20pm |
I haven’t installed it yet, so it may not be entirely fair, but based on past experience developing web software for Internet Explorer I admit to feeling a sense of dread.
Why is it that when Microsoft releases new software (IE 8), everyone gets a sick feeling in the pit of their stomachs -- but when Apple releases new software (3.0 for iPhone) everyone is giddy with excitement?
Could is just be that Apple software is better than Microsoft software?
Nah, couldn't be. Don't believe the hype! Cling to Windows like your lives depended on it!
| 97 |
phoenixgirl Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:20:37pm |
| 98 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:20:42pm |
I propose, seeing that we've baild out GM that factory workers there who have in their contracts PAID VACATIONS give back the monies of 90% of them. So if you have say 5 weeks of PAID VACATION accumulated, you can only take 3 days paid.
Bonuses are part of total compensation per contract,. So is paid vacation, so whats the difference?
| 100 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:20:50pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
You sure you heard him right? The link says the vote was 328-93. Hard to get that mixed up
The Teleprompter made him do it.
| 101 |
Russkilitlover Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:21:41pm |
re: #76 lawhawk
Damn... misread that later provision - the wires are all reporting it as having passed 328-93 (with half the GOP switched votes to Yes at last moment).
This way Republican turncoats. Please hand your balls to the First Lady over there.
| 102 |
loppyd Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:21:45pm |
re: #95 Russkilitlover
Is the Bill just for AIG? Or does it cover ALL business who receive bailout money?
Will it apply to Fannie & Freddy? That is what I want to know.
| 103 |
opnion Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:22:48pm |
It has probably been discussed , but did everybody hear the Coach K of Duke blasted Obama? Barry picked Louiisville during his inane brackets spectacle.
Coach K said & I am paraphrasing, I respect the job that he is doing( now invoke the but rule, "Forget what I just said, this is what I mean") but he should be spending his time on the economy , not playing with brackets.
I immediately changed my brackets & now have Duke defeating Louisville for the title.
| 105 |
rawmuse Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:24:57pm |
re: #83 loppyd
This tax business that just passed the House is setting a very dangerous precedent, folks.
That is precisely what I was pointing out yesterday.
This is scary stuff.
| 106 |
Izzy Dunne Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:25:21pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
people are getting laid off from work and don't want to sit at home and do nothing.
"The cheaper alternative," he said, "is to go fishing."
I got nothing against fishing, but dang if I can see how it's "cheaper" than "doing nothing".
| 107 |
Aviator Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:25:29pm |
Most of these bonuses were retention bonuses paid to employees who agreed to stay in what they knew were dead end jobs to wind down and close out parts of AIG. It was to the benefit of AIG (and the taxpayers) to keep those people who knew what was going on. Without the bonus money most of these people would have walked and went looking for new jobs sooner which would have been to their advantage.
They agreed to do a job for a offered amount of money. That is called a contract. The fact that these people (who were not responsible for the AIG meltdown) are now going to be punished by the government for political purposes runs counter to every concept of fairness and decency.
| 108 |
alegrias Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:25:42pm |
re: #57 opnion
Either way it is unconstitutional. It is tantamount to a Bill of Attainder, singling out an individual or group for punitive punishment without a trial
* * *
Communists ran kangaroo courts all the time. Trumped up crimes against the people meant life in the gulag for you, or up against the wall.
| 110 |
JamesR Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:30:25pm |
I was so annoyed with IE7 and not terribly impressed with FF (which seems to makes me a minority here) that I downloaded IE8 beta several months ago. There were some teething problems at first but after the first patch it has been rock solid stable. I love the new features and even compatibility view no longer bothers me. If a site doesn't look right with text and tables out of place, a simple click puts everything in the right place in a split second. The one thing that bothers me is that I'm not able to change IE8 to full screen on more than one monitor at a time.
| 111 |
loppyd Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:31:43pm |
re: #105 rawmuse
That is precisely what I was pointing out yesterday.
This is scary stuff.
Very scary.
I HOPE ALL OF YOU REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA ARE HAPPY NOW!
| 113 |
ConservatismNow! Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:33:30pm |
re: #96 zombie
Better marketing. Apple is COOL, y'know! Dig it! Microsoft is what your parents use! UGH! I'm sorry. I refuse to give money to an irrelevant company. They can keep their $500 cell phone and their My First Computer. I like playing games on my computer, thank you very much.
| 114 |
Happy Fun Ball Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:37:08pm |
Those Republicans who voted for this atrocity had better have a really good explanation for this. Otherwise, we will certainly remember this in 2010.
| 115 |
loppyd Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:42:29pm |
re: #114 Happy Fun Ball
Those Republicans who voted for this atrocity had better have a really good explanation for this. Otherwise, we will certainly remember this in 2010.
Constituent outrage would be my guess. Not that I condone it.
| 116 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:43:21pm |
re: #104 ploome hineni
I read that this morning. Quite amusing!
| 117 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:44:51pm |
re: #96 zombie
I'm convinced Apple is better...the next computer we buy is definitely not going to be a PC. I am so effing tired of it crashing, blech. But, I won't get an iPhone (yet) here because there is no unlimited data plan in Canada.
| 118 |
jimc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:46:12pm |
IE8 is supposed be compliant to WW3C standards and MS even issued developers warning on breaking changes in order to give us a chance to fix issues when pages are rendered with IE8 that worked on IE7. It is a step in the right direction and may actually be worthy of a trial period and the browser does have some nice features but I still like Firefox better....
| 119 |
jimc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:49:36pm |
re: #117 WriterMom
I'm convinced Apple is better...the next computer we buy is definitely not going to be a PC. I am so effing tired of it crashing, blech. But, I won't get an iPhone (yet) here because there is no unlimited data plan in Canada.
I worked at a local school in the computer lab, and they had Macs crashing left and right, so much so I had to unplug the computers to get them revived. Not sure macs are immune to any common problems.
Also, I've been beta testing Windows 7 64bit, and it rocks. Latest builds have it outperforming both Vista and XP on performance tests. The beta is amazingly stable and I've had zero problems. RC1 is rumored to be out in May with RTm in August, with a possible launch in November.
Windows 7 is what Vista wanted to be but was too much of a pig...
| 120 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:50:42pm |
re: #119 jimc
Really? Two good friends who are Mac users said that there is less crashing and fewer virus/malware threats.
| 121 |
ConservatismNow! Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:56:36pm |
re: #120 WriterMom
They have fewer virus threats because hackers don't write code for them. It's security through obscurity.
| 122 |
Kenneth Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:57:05pm |
re: #119 jimc
The beta for Windows 7 is no longer available at Microsoft's website. Do you know where I could get a copy?
| 123 |
WriterMom Thu, Mar 19, 2009 12:58:51pm |
re: #121 ConservatismNow!
Yes-that's what they also told me.
| 124 |
sffilk Thu, Mar 19, 2009 1:16:42pm |
re: #21 Honorary Yooper
I think I'll stick with FireFox for home use. It's so much faster than Internet Exploder.
Agreed.
| 125 |
sffilk Thu, Mar 19, 2009 1:17:56pm |
re: #33 Nemesis6
I'll keep my lovely Firefox 3.0.7 with Adblock Plus, ForecastBar Enhanced. I am a bit curious though, but then again... nah.
What's ForecastBar?
Oh, and BTW, in case anyone's interested, the district court office down here in Atlanta says Firefox is its browser of choice, so I figure I'm in great company.
| 126 |
Shanimal1918 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 1:19:03pm |
Don't forget your monthly Firefox Security Updates!
Security Update (March 4, 2009): A security update has been released Firefox 3 that fixes critical security vulnerabilities. All users should install this update as soon as possible.
Security Update (February 3, 2009): A security update has been released Firefox 3 that fixes critical security vulnerabilities. All users should install this update as soon as possible.
While living in your glass house, try to remember, ALL software has security vulnerabilities. The more popular the product, the more likely the lowlifes (what some are referring to as hackers) are to target it.
| 127 |
mattm Thu, Mar 19, 2009 1:26:46pm |
I'll keep my FF. Just for the fun of it I might install it on a spare PC, just to see what if messes up.
| 128 |
sffilk Thu, Mar 19, 2009 1:26:48pm |
re: #126 Shanimal1918
Don't forget your monthly Firefox Security Updates!
Security Update (March 4, 2009): A security update has been released Firefox 3 that fixes critical security vulnerabilities. All users should install this update as soon as possible.
Security Update (February 3, 2009): A security update has been released Firefox 3 that fixes critical security vulnerabilities. All users should install this update as soon as possible.
While living in your glass house, try to remember, ALL software has security vulnerabilities. The more popular the product, the more likely the lowlifes (what some are referring to as hackers) are to target it.
Now you've got me wondering if I've got the latest update. I've got 3.0.7 - could you please confirm?
| 129 |
jimc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 1:41:59pm |
re: #120 WriterMom
Hacker competition yesterday proves "less threats" is relative...my personal experience is that Macs can crash and crash hard...
| 130 |
jimc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 1:43:03pm |
re: #122 Kenneth
Legally, no. But I've heard there are these things called Torrents which it can be found but I wouldn't trust them, perfect hacker bait...
| 131 |
gregb Thu, Mar 19, 2009 1:47:47pm |
"system does not support your architecture" Tried it on OSX, Linux and Vista x64. What else is there?
Greg
| 132 |
Dwayne Thu, Mar 19, 2009 1:51:10pm |
re: #85 Kosh's Shadow
The biggest security feature of the Mac is that there are too few of them to warrant a lot of work by hackers.
You want credit card numbers? They're on servers by Microsoft, Sun, IBM.
Want a botnet? You'll get a much larger one attacking Windows.
If you have specific Mac users to target, though, it would be worth the effort.Me? I use both Mac and Windows, and find problems with them BOTH. (Horrors!)
I totally agree, and I too use both platforms.
| 133 |
Kenneth Thu, Mar 19, 2009 2:04:17pm |
re: #130 jimc
Thanks. I'll pass on downloading an operating system from a torrent. Computing equivalent of having unprotected sex with a junky.
| 135 |
kellino Thu, Mar 19, 2009 2:11:26pm |
Wow...a lot of knee-jerk reactions and lack of critical thinking going on around here. I used to think that these traits were largely reserved for leftists but apparently not.
Of course Firefox is better than IE in some respects, and is faster in Javascript (especially in 3.5 which is due soon).
But IE8 is not bad at all. It is more secure, more user-friendly and at least twice as fast than IE7 was in most tests.
I always thought that most of the mindless drones who criticise things before taking the time to understand them were on the left. Let's not be like them.
IE8 is probably the best browser Microsoft has made since IE5 and is feels about as fast as Firefox 3.1 on my Vista-64 box.
I use both IE and Firefox, but if it makes you feel morally superior or more enlightened to spout ignorance and negativity at one or the other, then I hope you're proud of yourself.
BTW, Windows 7 build 7057 (pre RC1) is even faster and looking very nice.
| 136 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 19, 2009 2:20:35pm |
| 138 |
jimc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 2:23:17pm |
re: #135 kellino
I agree IE8 is the best browser MS has put out so far and has some very nice features. I use it but I use Firefox primarily. I like the skinning features, plugin, etc. I've not passed judgment yet on IE8. I have just used Firefox for so long now it will take some convincing to move back to IE.
I've read that latest builds of Windows 7 out perform XP and Vista on perf tests so I am stoked about it. I will install-migrate to it on every PC in my family (5 machines) plus I will move to it at work. I'm ready to dump Vista for Win 7!
| 139 |
kellino Thu, Mar 19, 2009 2:25:43pm |
re: #96 zombie
Could is just be that Apple software is better than Microsoft software?
Shirley you must be joking.
Lets look at the clumsy iTunes store compared to the Zune marketplace.
Why is it that Macs are always the first get get hacked in white hat contests? Sure few worms due to market share (obscurity?) but very easy to hack.
Both have their pros and cons and past legacy code to support. But the idea that Apple universally developes superior software? Thanks, I really needed a good laugh today.
| 140 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Mar 19, 2009 2:27:13pm |
late post ... and leaving for the hardware store ... bbl
If I upgrade from IE 7, it ain't gonna be before they release IE 8.47g
/never buy version x.0 of anything
| 141 |
kellino Thu, Mar 19, 2009 2:28:37pm |
re: #138 jimc
I hear you on that. Vista has some nice features but too many code changes for one release and it ended up slow and bloated. From my experience Windows 7 will be MUCH better.
Until then Windows 2008 seems to be the best laptop platform :)
| 142 |
kellino Thu, Mar 19, 2009 2:32:18pm |
| 143 |
TedStriker Thu, Mar 19, 2009 2:55:49pm |
re: #17 FurryOldGuyJeans
I use IE6 as my alternate secondary browser simply because I continue using 98SE, and I am constantly subjected to unwanted and unwarranted demands I upgrade to IE7 at random times I start up IE6. How long before I get lectured I MUST upgrade to IE8, which I can't run.
IE6 is awfully outdated at this point. Personally, I'd advise you to go ahead and update to IE7, patch it up, and use it only for sites that won't render properly in other browsers...then install another browser such as Firefox, Safari, or Chrome for primary use.
Me, I use Firefox 3 with the IE Tab extension (among others) that allows me to switch between Firefox's and IE7's renderers on-the-fly from within Firefox...plus there are so many extensions for Firefox that let you add all sorts of functionality.
I've puttered around with Chrome some (it's cool, but not enough to switch ti it as my primary browser) and I've not tried Safari for Windows, but I absolutely love Firefox.
| 144 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Mar 19, 2009 3:22:39pm |
I uninstalled IE8 after 20 minutes. It's a piece of bug infested [expletive deleted]!
/it had some nice new features that were instantly outweighed by the annoying nonability not to be able to open websites on my Favorites list, definitely not the change I sought
| 145 |
Dwayne Thu, Mar 19, 2009 3:51:54pm |
re: #96 zombie
Why is it that when Microsoft releases new software (IE 8), everyone gets a sick feeling in the pit of their stomachs -- but when Apple releases new software (3.0 for iPhone) everyone is giddy with excitement?
Could is just be that Apple software is better than Microsoft software?
Nah, couldn't be. Don't believe the hype! Cling to Windows like your lives depended on it!
Nah, Mac fanboys, which --- from what I understand --- constitutes a vast majority of those in the advertising and marketing industry, were enthralled with Mac OS 9 when there was clearly better alternatives in both Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
| 146 |
jimc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 4:10:58pm |
re: #144 Killian Bundy
Did you try compatibility mode? IE8 actually complies now with WW3C standards and it could be those websites were specifically coded to workaround IE7 (and belows) non-compliance...
| 147 |
gregb Thu, Mar 19, 2009 4:30:06pm |
Yes-it'll install in compat mode, but I am loathe to give up my native x64 browsers.
Microsoft bashing is an art form. Just go with it.
| 148 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Mar 19, 2009 4:37:21pm |
re: #146 jimc
Did you try compatibility mode? IE8 actually complies now with WW3C standards and it could be those websites were specifically coded to workaround IE7 (and belows) non-compliance...
I couldn't even get that far.
/it just insisted on closing the tab and phoning an error home to the Windows mothership
| 149 |
Nemesis6 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 4:37:52pm |
re: #125 sffilk
[Link: addons.mozilla.org...]
Tells me what the weather is now, later, and tomorrow in metric measurement since I'm in Europe. It informs me when there's a change, and so on. Really quite handy! :)
| 150 |
Old Engineer Thu, Mar 19, 2009 4:57:16pm |
I have always used Internet Explorer, and have had no particular difficulty with it, but I recognize that all of you that dislike it have a factual basis for your belief. Therefore, I am interested in changing over to some other browser. How much trouble will it be to do that? Can someone explain precisely how I go about doing it. I now have Firefox on my desktop. A computer repairman put it there over a year ago in case I want to use it. Have there been Firefox updates since a year ago? I would be indebted to any of you who can help me. Answer by E-mail to me, or, better yet, place it here in a post so some others may also benefit.
Thanks
EppleJ@Earthlink.Net
Old Engineer
| 151 |
jimc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 5:05:31pm |
re: #148 Killian Bundy
Mind giving me a link? I could try it out.
| 152 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Mar 19, 2009 5:19:18pm |
| 153 |
jimc Thu, Mar 19, 2009 5:26:48pm |
re: #152 Killian Bundy
Loaded fine for me but I noticed there is adobe flash content, you might need to update your flash player.
| 154 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Mar 19, 2009 5:28:29pm |
OK Everyone -
IE-8 is NOT ready for Prime Time. Too Bad So Sad - OR - is it Political Correctness? LGF is the FIRST site i went-to after installing IE-8. Comin' at all 'y'all in same. I expected to be able to say that IE-8 was like a '60's Chevy - OK - and - not as savvy as "Fire-Ferarri," "Chrome-Vette," or "Avant-I" - guess what, NOT YET! That is all.
-S-
| 155 |
JimC Thu, Mar 19, 2009 5:43:27pm |
re: #154 Dr. Shalit
I'm replying to you from IE8...albeit it is RC1 optimized for Windows 7, but I cannot download IE8 for WIndows 7 Beta...
| 156 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 19, 2009 5:45:57pm |
re: #150 Old Engineer
Have there been Firefox updates since a year ago?
Yes. If you decide to go with that, I highly recommend getting the NoScript and AdBlockerPlus addons.
| 157 |
sngnsgt Thu, Mar 19, 2009 5:51:03pm |
I've already installed it and found a way to roll back to IE7, I like IE7.
| 158 |
johnlocke Thu, Mar 19, 2009 7:47:03pm |
Interesting stuff... both the Mac and the PC cracked... 10 seconds for the Mac! WTH! /blasphemy
This was written on my iMac running Firefox. I sometimes even run Safari - on both my iMac and my iPod Touch. Heading back to work tomorrow to an XP Pro machine running IE and Firefox. Sometimes I'll run even run Vista (ugh!) and even Ubuntu. Isn't choice grand. The Microsoft absolutists and their irrational hatred makes me shake my head - mass delusion that they and the world would be a better place if Microsoft didn't exist. We have choice. When the consumer has the power the companies scrambling for our hard-earned dollars have to kiss our butts - in the form of cheaper prices, greater choices, greater creativity, technological advancement, and more. We the consumer have the power. We have the advantage. Thank your lucky stars that there is Microsoft and Apple and Ubuntu and IE and Firefox and Safari and Opera and Google and Yahoo and Live and on and on. As the link above shows nobody... and I mean nobody... does software perfectly. Not Google. Not Microsoft. And definitely NOT Apple. while (life == risk) { DealWithIt(); }
| 159 |
jordash1212 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 9:24:51pm |
[Link: tech.slashdot.org...]
IE8 is supposed to be better than FF now... for the time being that is.
| 160 |
MJBrutus Thu, Mar 19, 2009 9:53:41pm |
You're not alone in that sinking feeling you have Charles. IE is the bane of more than just your existence.
| 161 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Mar 20, 2009 2:14:23am |
Okay, I just tried reinstalling it and now I'm having zero problems with any websites.
/go figure, it is better than IE7
| 162 |
BartB Fri, Mar 20, 2009 2:23:05am |
RE:#17
I just found out that the specific combination of 98SE and XP Pro is compatible; I updated (DON'T get the OEM version) and almost everything still works! (I do have some problems with 4DOS v7.00)
The install even patched the registry from 98 to XP. Netscape V4.7 still works.
IE7 works (not compatible with 98SE).
Anyway, although the install locked up 4 times, I kept at it and it all just works now. It's even faster than before.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why the )(&*(&^ doesn't Msoft pay attention to standards? A few years ago, I noticed that some sites would not display properly in Mozilla. I looked at the HTML code, and IE6 was re-writing the rules for RGB colors. Mozilla was rendering them properly, which resulted in dark blue on black text, which is really hard to read. IE has it's own color table and works with such atrocities. All those pages that used some excreble Msoft page building software were automatically building non-IE incompatibilities.
Not very nice. A few months later the problems went away and I forgot about it.
| 163 |
just another four-letter word Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:29:36am |
We are already having difficulties with it in our FirePass line of boxes here at F5, and we have been informed that setting the IE8 to run in an IE7 compatibility mode will be of great help for those of you that insist on going out on the "bleeding edge". Makes you wanna switch to Firefox, doesn't it?
Just a heads-up, Lizards.
JAFLW
| 164 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:19:46am |
re: #161 Killian Bundy
Okay, I just tried reinstalling it and now I'm having zero problems with any websites.
/go figure, it is better than IE7
I take that all back. Today, IE8 is back to refusing to open websites on my Favorites list again, even if I turn off every bit of security.
/uninstalled again
A Water War Is Brewing Between the U.S. And Mexico. Here’s Why A water dispute between the United States and Mexico that goes back decades is turning increasingly urgent in Texas communities that rely on the Rio Grande. Their leaders are now demanding the Mexican government either share water or face ...
Cheechako
Harper’s Magazine: Slippery Slope - How Private Equity Shapes a Ski Town …Big Sky stands apart for other reasons. The obvious distinction is the Yellowstone Club, a private resort hidden in the mountains above the community that Justin Farrell, a professor of sociology at Yale and the author of Billionaire Wilderness, ...
teleskiguy
Hawaii’s Mauna Loa Observatory Just Captured Ominous Signals About the Planet’s Health Hawaii’s Mauna Loa Observatory just captured an ominous sign about the pace of global warming. Atmospheric levels of planet-warming carbon dioxide aren’t just on their way to yet another record high this year - they’re rising faster than ever, ... Cheechako
The Good Liars at the Schnecksville Trump Rally [VIDEO] New theories, great tunes and SHOCKING breaking news. SUPPORT US: http://Herohero.co/thegoodliars SEE THE GOOD LIARS LIVE!WASHINGTON D.C. MAY 23RD: https://www.unionstage.com/shows/good-liars-fix-america/NASHVILLE, TN JUNE 6TH: https://www.etix.com/ticket/p/42992972/the-good-liars-nashville-the-lab-at-zaniesSAN FRANCISCO, CA JUNE 25TH: https://www.livenation.com/event/G5vYZbavGvggG/the-good-liars SUBSCRIBE TO OUR AUDIO PODCAST:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-good-liars-tell-the-truth/id1731178442Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7mgfiwzr32907N4y68eFOCJoin this channel ... teleskiguy
Trump’s “Stolen Election” Lie Based on Evidence From Pervy Bathroom Cam-Spy OK, this really takes the cake. If you have relatives that still cling to the “election was stolen, dadgum, I jes’ KNOW IT … This should be a slight remedy to the stubborn madness Thanks to online anonymity, the ...
Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)
Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
William Lewis
Gateway Pundit, Sued by Election Workers, Declares BankruptcyA onetime favorite, now just pathetic figure around these parts, Jim Hoft aka SMOTI ("Stupidest Man On The Internet"), has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in response to the defamation lawsuits filed against him to the same election workers that ... Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
