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In another moment I had scrambled up the earthen rampart and stood upon its crest, and the interior of the redoubt was below me. A mighty space it was, with gigantic machines here and there within it, huge mounds of material and strange shelter places. And scattered about it, some in their overturned war-machines, some in the now rigid handling-machines, and a dozen of them stark and silent and laid in a row, were the Martians—dead!—slain by the putrefactive and disease bacteria against which their systems were unprepared; slain as the red weed was being slain; slain, after all man’s devices had failed, by the humblest things that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this earth.

H. G. Wells

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1 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:24pm

I always loved that part of the story. Hated the rest of it.

2 chotii  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:57pm

I liked the way the narrator read it, in the musical. :D

3 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:50:00pm

H.G. Wells. I remember War of the Worlds when I was younger. Like the rest of my life I always found myself reading the book before ever seeing the movie.

4 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:50:48pm

I've never read War of the Worlds. Should though

5 chotii  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:51:25pm

Of course when you think about it, the very IDEA of the Martians just cheerfully gulping down human blood, and injecting it into their own veins? Ew. I mean really. What did they THINK was going to happen?

6 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:53:00pm

re: #2 chotii

I liked the way the narrator read it, in the musical. :D

I remember one Halloween in high school the rock station I listened to played the whole thing. Loved it.

7 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:53:13pm

re: #3 BlueCanuck

H.G. Wells. I remember War of the Worlds when I was younger. Like the rest of my life I always found myself reading the book before ever seeing the movie.

Morning/Evening Blue. Good talking to you last night. I was a bit full of scotch.

8 PSGInfinity  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:53:38pm

Hmm... Could we come up with a "Responsibility, Morality, and Frugality Virus" to loose on our 'betters'?

9 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:54:24pm

re: #5 chotii

What can we say. It was a simpler time in regards to science and biology. Still you never know. Something like it could happen.

10 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:54:39pm

re: #4 BatGuano

I've never read War of the Worlds. Should though

Trivia: In 1956, War of the Worlds was released in Arabic for the first time. The title in Arabic? Al-Qaeda.

11 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:06pm

re: #6 BlueCanuck

I remember one Halloween in high school the rock station I listened to played the whole thing. Loved it.

the original broadcast?.....

i thought you were younger than that.

12 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:36pm

Eight years ago I listened to the entire Orson Wells Mercury theater radio production. Fascinating and chilling.

13 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:42pm

re: #7 Erik The Red

LOL, last night for you. It was early afternoon for me. :)

/still up, might stay for fruitcup.

14 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:56:31pm

re: #10 gmsc

Get outa town!Really?

15 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:56:38pm

re: #11 redc1c4

No it was a rebroadcast. I heard this back in 85 or 86. Possibly a bit later.

16 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:08pm

re: #15 BlueCanuck

No it was a rebroadcast. I heard this back in 85 or 86. Possibly a bit later.

you must have missed the smoke....... %-)

17 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:58:06pm

re: #16 redc1c4

Kind of. It must have been implied.

18 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:58:31pm

weet dreams all!

19 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, April 4th:

20 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:02:12am

re: #18 ggt

weet dreams all!

Good nite, ggt!re: #14 BatGuano

Get outa town!Really?

Yep! It wasn't a literal translation, though. In Arabic, it means foundation or base, but the publishers liked that it had a dual meaning that could also mean military base.

21 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:02:59am

It'd be nice if Hollywood ever made a "War of the Worlds" film that was faithful to the book. Nice and dark.

22 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:03:51am

re: #12 BatGuano

Eight years ago I listened to the entire Orson Wells Mercury theater radio production. Fascinating and chilling.

You should try listening to it the way people originally did: 15 minutes of Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy, and then listen to the story 15 minutes after it begins!

;)

(Not knowing it's a story might help, but be tough to achieve.)

23 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:04:06am

re: #10 gmsc

Trivia: In 1956, War of the Worlds was released in Arabic for the first time. The title in Arabic? Al-Qaeda.

Now that's just eerie.

24 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:04:12am

Night ggt, weet dreams.

25 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:05:18am

re: #22 gmsc

Good idea. I'll look for it.

26 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:05:19am

re: #2 chotii

I liked the way the narrator read it, in the musical. :D

Jeff Lynne's musical version of War of the Worlds was narrated by the late Richard Burton, whose voice was perfect for the role.

27 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:05:22am

re: #21 Slumbering Behemoth

Good luck with that. I have seen too many books ruined by Hollyweird. They can barely make a short story into a decent film.

28 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:05:22am

re: #17 BlueCanuck

Kind of. It must have been implied.

isn't it always?

29 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:06:18am

re: #28 redc1c4

Silly me, should have realized. You must walk with a permanent cloud of smoke around you. Maybe you should take up smoking?

30 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:06:39am

re: #21 Slumbering Behemoth

It'd be nice if Hollywood ever made a "War of the Worlds" film that was faithful to the book. Nice and dark.

made that universal for ya!

31 Erik The Red  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:07:16am

re: #29 BlueCanuck

Silly me, should have realized. You must walk with a permanent cloud of smoke around you. Maybe you should take up smoking?

Didn't you know Blue, red is a stoner. :)

32 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:07:39am

re: #29 BlueCanuck

Silly me, should have realized. You must walk with a permanent cloud of smoke around you. Maybe you should take up smoking?

I live in Lost Angels........ why bother?

besides, i'll be damned if i'll support SCHIP.

33 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:08:28am

re: #12 BatGuano

War of the Worlds is one of those things I've never actually seen for myself (or read the original Verne version, either) yet I know when it's being referenced.

XM Radio had an ad campaign for MLB Baseball that spoofed the War of the Worlds Radio broadcast.

34 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:08:49am

re: #31 Erik The Red

Didn't you know Blue, red is a stoner. :)

Can't believe that one. He would never do that. It would mess up his aim too much.

/white smoke

35 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:09:02am

re: #27 BlueCanuck

Good luck with that. I have seen too many books ruined by Hollyweird. They can barely make a short story into a decent film.

near as i can tell, regardless of the source, the can barely make a decent film.

36 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:09:48am

re: #33 Fenway_Nation

War of the Worlds is one of those things I've never actually seen for myself (or read the original Verne version, either) yet I know when it's being referenced.

XM Radio had an ad campaign for MLB Baseball that spoofed the War of the Worlds Radio broadcast.

Verne? Jules Verne?

H.G. Wells wrote WOTW.

100 lashes with a wet noodle!

37 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:10:03am

re: #32 redc1c4

I have actually told a non smoker that I was healthier then her. I was filtering more of my city air then she was. Didn't go over too well for some reason.

38 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:10:46am

re: #37 BlueCanuck

I have actually told a non smoker that I was healthier then her. I was filtering more of my city air then she was. Didn't go over too well for some reason.

joke'em if they can't take a fuck.

39 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:10:59am

re: #36 Alberta Oil Peon

Damn...what dystopian future work of fiction did Verne write?

40 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:12:16am

re: #39 Fenway_Nation

Damn...what dystopian future work of fiction did Verne write?

i'm pretty sure Verne is the red neck character in a bunch of advertisng skits and some tv shows.... not sure the character ever wrote anything.

know what i mean?

/white smoke

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:13:00am

re: #27 BlueCanuck

I finally read "War of the Worlds" back in the late '90s. The whole time reading it I was thinking "Man, this is 100 times more bleak, dismal, morbid, and dark than the film".

If a producer would make a film that stuck to the spirit of the book, and in the same time period, I think it would be a hit. Or maybe it would just be a hit with me. Who knows?

42 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:13:04am

re: #39 Fenway_Nation

I don't know if Verne ever wrote anything you could really call dystopian. Seems to me he had an optimistic view of the future. Some of his works were thinly-veiled political satire, though. I'm far from an expert on Verne, though. Or Wells, for that matter.

43 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:14:27am

re: #32 redc1c4

besides, i'll be damned if i'll support SCHIP.

Well, then you'll be damed.

/and double damned, sucks to be you, Californian

44 Erik The Red  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:14:58am

Any one follow F1 racing?

45 Gus  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:15:05am
46 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:16:00am

re: #44 Erik The Red

Any one follow F1 racing?

/Watkins Glen?

47 tradewind  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:16:01am

Call me Karzai, but how did this sleazebag get a makeover on US television?
The Afghani prez is just another despot in a Joseph coat....
From a blog post discussing Britain's reluctance to fund any Afghani adventures with BHO:

'The moral authority of the mission came under pressure after it emerged that President Karzai had ratified legislation imposing draconian Talebanera laws that explicitly sanction marital rape and child marriage. A leaked copy of the legislation obtained by The Times also details how Shia women will be banned from leaving home without permission
48 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:16:38am

re: #44 Erik The Red

Any one follow F1 racing?

i live and drive in Los Angeles: F1 racers follow me.

49 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:18:31am

re: #48 redc1c4

i live and drive in Los Angeles: F1 racers follow me.

/mind the tire pressure, you're going to pay for it

50 tradewind  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:18:52am

re: #48 redc1c4
'I Live and Drive in LA'
That those two conditions are not mutually exclusive amazes me..

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:18:54am

re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth

And that Cruise thing was just fucking stupid.

52 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:19:30am

Hmmmm, this looks interesting.

53 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:20:05am

re: #43 Killian Bundy

Well, then you'll be damed.

/and double damned, sucks to be you, Californian

I sees me a marketing opportunity. Fake valve stems. For those who want to run lower tire pressures for maximum adhesion. So you get a small aluminum cylinder, clamp it into the drop-center part of the rim, and link it by means of a short hose to the visible valve stem. A similar weight added to the opposite side of the rim for balance of course. Drill a new hole on the inboard side of the rim for a valve stem to air up the tire. Air up the tire to whatever you like. Air up the little cylinder to whatever the government likes. Problem solved.

/just a little

54 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:20:10am

re: #39 Fenway_Nation

Damn...what dystopian future work of fiction did Verne write?

Jules Verne is best known for Journey to the Center of the Earth, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, From the Earth to the Moon and Around the World in Eighty Days (my favorite!).

The truest adaption I've ever seen of the book is the 1989 TV version, done as a mini-series, and starring Pierce Brosnan and Eric Idle.

55 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:20:58am

re: #49 Killian Bundy

/mind the tire pressure, you're going to pay for it

no habla......

/instant pass

56 tradewind  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:21:18am

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth
And that Cruise thing was is just fucking stupid.
/fixed that one for ya/

57 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:21:39am

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

And that Cruise thing was just fucking stupid.

well, tinker bell was in it: what did you expect?

58 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:26:12am

re: #55 redc1c4

no habla......

/instant pass

/as long as your car isn't painted black

59 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:26:15am

re: #53 Alberta Oil Peon

I sees me a marketing opportunity. Fake valve stems. For those who want to run lower tire pressures for maximum adhesion. So you get a small aluminum cylinder, clamp it into the drop-center part of the rim, and link it by means of a short hose to the visible valve stem. A similar weight added to the opposite side of the rim for balance of course. Drill a new hole on the inboard side of the rim for a valve stem to air up the tire. Air up the tire to whatever you like. Air up the little cylinder to whatever the government likes. Problem solved.

/just a little

i'm wondering how they're planning on getting the 3rd world residents behind the bulletproof barriers outside to check the tires to begin with.

side bar: i stopped by the usual station two days ago: there were new, locally produced signs on each pump advising customer's to return the hose prior to reentering their vehicle under pain of fine.

i asked, "WTF?". it turns out that in one single day, 3 nitwits had managed to put in the hose, pump their gas, and then drive off without disconnecting from the pump. with the new & improved hoses the AQMD requires, we're talking about $1000, per incident, just for the break away portion of the hose.

60 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:26:40am

re: #58 Killian Bundy

/as long as your car isn't painted black

primer gray.

61 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:29:35am

re: #59 redc1c4

side bar: i stopped by the usual station two days ago: there were new, locally produced signs on each pump advising customer's to return the hose prior to reentering their vehicle under pain of fine.

i asked, "WTF?". it turns out that in one single day, 3 nitwits had managed to put in the hose, pump their gas, and then drive off without disconnecting from the pump. with the new & improved hoses the AQMD requires, we're talking about $1000, per incident, just for the break away portion of the hose.

That can cause some serious problems, above and beyond just the fine and the tearing of the pump!

62 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:38:27am

re: #61 gmsc

way to kill the thread, Einstein!

63 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:40:21am

re: #62 redc1c4

way to kill the thread, Einstein!

Geez, I show one flaming gas pump, and everyone runs out of the thread!

64 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:41:13am

re: #63 gmsc

Is it safe yet? Fires out? Martians gone.

/white smoke

65 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:42:06am

re: #63 gmsc

Geez, I show one flaming gas pump, and everyone runs out of the thread!

I'm still here. I love flaming gas pumps.I don't like skateboarding kittens.

66 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:43:09am

re: #61 gmsc

That can cause some serious problems, above and beyond just the fine and the tearing of the pump!

One of the problems with this world is the stupidity has ceased to be its own punishment. The nanny state has put so many safeguards in place that the stupid survive, thrive, and worse, breed.

67 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:43:22am

re: #64 BlueCanuck

Is it safe yet? Fires out? Martians gone.

"green fireball".... is that Islamic, or eco-terrorist in origin?

68 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:44:10am

Yo.

69 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:44:10am

re: #66 Alberta Oil Peon

One of the problems with this world is the stupidity has ceased to be its own punishment. The nanny state has put so many safeguards in place that the stupid survive, thrive, and worse, breed.

re-posted, simply because i could only give you 1 upding.

70 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:44:39am

re: #68 eddiespaghetti

Yo.

yo yo yo.......

71 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:44:59am

re: #64 BlueCanuck

Is it safe yet? Fires out? Martians gone.

[Video]

/white smoke

re: #65 BatGuano

I'm still here. I love flaming gas pumps.I don't like skateboarding kittens.

Yeah, I won't be living this one down for a while.
;)

72 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:45:12am

re: #70 redc1c4

yo yo yo.......

Oy.

73 freetoken  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:45:29am

re: #62 redc1c4

way to kill the thread, Einstein!

Time for a cheesy Japanese boob video?

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:46:09am

re: #66 Alberta Oil Peon

Careful there.

75 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:46:25am

re: #73 freetoken

When is a boob thread cheesy?

76 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:46:39am

That would be OY™

77 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:46:42am

Fenway's Shiny Stuff Precious Metals Update heading into the weekend:

Gold- $893.80 an ounce (down 1.15%)
Silver- $12.75 an ounce (down 1.25%)
Platinum- $1155 an ounce (unchanged)
Palladium- $219 an ounce (down 0.9%)
Rhodium- $1010 an ounce (unchanged)

/No Overseas market update this morning...

78 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:46:43am

re: #73 freetoken

Time for a cheesy Japanese boob video?

Nothin' cheesy about Japanese boobs, mister. You some kind of racist?

///

79 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:47:29am

re: #73 freetoken

Time for a cheesy Japanese boob video?

/oh wait, you said boob?

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:47:38am

re: #73 freetoken

Cottage or mozzarella?

81 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:47:57am

re: #72 gmsc

Oy.

Oi to the world!

82 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:48:20am

re: #76 littleoldlady

Good morning littleoldlady. How have you been doing?

83 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:48:33am

re: #73 freetoken

Time for a cheesy Japanese boob video?

OK!

/What? It's got Japanese writing in it, and it's filled with boobs!

84 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:49:03am

re: #77 Fenway_Nation

Fenway's Shiny Stuff Precious Metals Update heading into the weekend:

Gold- $893.80 an ounce (down 1.15%)
Silver- $12.75 an ounce (down 1.25%)
Platinum- $1155 an ounce (unchanged)
Palladium- $219 an ounce (down 0.9%)
Rhodium- $1010 an ounce (unchanged)

/No Overseas market update this morning...

what about copper, lead and brass, especially "preformed"?

85 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:49:06am

re: #77 Fenway_Nation

Fenway's Shiny Stuff Precious Metals Update heading into the weekend:

Gold- $893.80 an ounce (down 1.15%)
Silver- $12.75 an ounce (down 1.25%)
Platinum- $1155 an ounce (unchanged)
Palladium- $219 an ounce (down 0.9%)
Rhodium- $1010 an ounce (unchanged)

/No Overseas market update this morning...

Surrender to the equities.

/gold is cool, but don't fight the tape

86 freetoken  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:49:09am

re: #79 Killian Bundy

Actually watched that movie... twice... during my life.

87 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:49:26am

re: #76 littleoldlady

That would be OY™

Good morning, littleoldlady!

I stand corrected! (That explains the orthopedic shoes. ;)

88 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:50:41am

Good morning littleoldlady.

89 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:51:12am

BlueCanuck! :-)

I'm just f'ing peachy! What's going on in the Job World? Anything new?

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:51:12am

re: #64 BlueCanuck

Okay, that gets an upding just for the freaky weird, bad ass musical score.

91 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:51:17am

OY, indeed!

92 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:51:40am

re: #76 littleoldlady

Good morning to you, littleoldlady.

93 Cygnus  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:51:53am

re: #84 redc1c4

what about copper, lead and brass, especially "preformed"?

How about mithril?

94 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:52:18am

re: #89 littleoldlady

Starting to wonder if the company is trying to tell me something. Being rather passive agressive about it though.

/pricks.

95 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:53:06am

re: #84 redc1c4

what about copper?

/on a major roll

96 Cygnus  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:53:17am

Are acupuncturists pricks? :)

97 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:53:47am

gmsc! :-)

/this is what happens when I can't find the clip I was looking for ;-)

BatGuano! :-)

98 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:54:21am

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

99 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:54:31am

re: #93 Cygnus

How about mithril?

/definition of an illiquid asset

100 freetoken  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:55:09am

OK, just remember, you guys asked for a boob video:

101 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:55:37am

re: #94 BlueCanuck

Chickens!

/time to fire up the resume?

102 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:56:00am

re: #96 Cygnus

Are acupuncturists pricks? :)

A patient is running down the hospital corridor.

Behind him is a nurse, chasing him with a pot of steaming hot water.

The doctor on duty sees what's going on, and yells, "No, no, Nurse Upson, I told you to prick his boil."

103 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:57:01am

re: #85 Killian Bundy

Surrender to the equities.

/gold is cool, but don't fight the tape

Got some equities last month (already up 7%) but.....like many others, I don't think I'm invested enough in precious metals.

/I thought gold was a good investment idea before all these damn commercials started popping up on cable and the radio.

104 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:57:16am

re: #102 gmsc

A patient is running down the hospital corridor.

Behind him is a nurse, chasing him with a pot of steaming hot water.

The doctor on duty sees what's going on, and yells, "No, no, Nurse Upson, I told you to prick his boil."

like a nurse would ever run......

(unless there was free food involved. %-)

105 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:57:36am

Here comes the defense budget cuts on monday, soft on terror. Here it comes...

106 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:58:01am

re: #94 BlueCanuck

Starting to wonder if the company is trying to tell me something. Being rather passive agressive about it though.

/pricks.

Blue, have you thought about polishing up your resume as a security specialist, and maybe selling your services to the oil patch? There is definitely a need for that sort of thing here, be it wackjobs dynamiting pipelines, or terrorist threats, or plain old industrial espionage (oilfield "scouts").

I'll bet you it would pay more, and life out here sure has the big city beat.

107 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:59:40am

re: #105 eddiespaghetti

Here comes the defense budget cuts on monday, soft on terror. Here it comes...

/define travesty

108 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:59:49am

re: #105 eddiespaghetti

Here comes the defense budget cuts on monday, soft on terror. Here it comes...

it's a "peace dividend" brought about by the intelligent, enlightened, nuanced diplomacy that is such a departure from that moron bush and all the idiots he inflicted upon us.

/5 gallon smoke pots

109 sngnsgt  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:59:58am

re: #101 littleoldlady

Chickens!

/time to fire up the resume?

I miss The Muppet Show.

110 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:00:36am

re: #108 redc1c4

5 gallon smoke pots

/sorry, not part of the budget

111 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:01:17am

re: #106 Alberta Oil Peon

Blue, have you thought about polishing up your resume as a security specialist, and maybe selling your services to the oil patch? There is definitely a need for that sort of thing here, be it wackjobs dynamiting pipelines, or terrorist threats, or plain old industrial espionage (oilfield "scouts").

I'll bet you it would pay more, and life out here sure has the big city beat.

Yea...but Alberta is rat-free, isn't it? Whatever shall red snipe at in his free time?

112 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:02:07am

well, since we're (me & the 6 element) are supposed to sail with SloKat in a few hours and again on Sunday as he moves his pride & joy uphill, i suppose i ought to cop some Z'ssssss.

hasta y'all......

L8r!

113 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:02:15am

re: #109 sngnsgt

I miss The Muppet Show.

Truly one of the great shows in TV history. A few favorite scenes include:

Milton Berle vs. Statler & Waldorf:

114 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:02:30am

re: #110 Killian Bundy

/sorry, not part of the budget

no habla.....

115 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:03:21am

re: #106 Alberta Oil Peon

Funny, you are the second person to mention something along those lines in the past twenty four hours. I just may.

/but I would be giving up a hell of a lot. I think....

116 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:03:25am

re: #111 Fenway_Nation

Yea...but Alberta is rat-free, isn't it? Whatever shall red snipe at in his free time?

Gophers, of course. Hundreds of them, wait, thousands of them, oh-oh, millions of them. Aaaargh!

(followed by the pitter-patter of millions of tiny gopher feet)

117 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:04:15am

re: #111 Fenway_Nation

But there are coyotes.....

118 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:04:30am

sngnsgt! :-)

Me too!

119 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:05:11am

This guy has done a damned good job of Jeff Waynes stuff.

120 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:05:21am

re: #106 Alberta Oil Peon

Yeah, but there's a girl puppy he likes in his neighborhood!

121 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:05:33am

re: #103 Fenway_Nation

Got some equities last month (already up 7%) but.....like many others, I don't think I'm invested enough in precious metals.

/I thought gold was a good investment idea before all these damn commercials started popping up on cable and the radio.

I hold gold miners, AUY. FCX,

/I'm up over 50% on my portfolio over the last month and gold has little to do with it

122 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:06:12am

re: #109 sngnsgt

I miss The Muppet Show.

You can find many complete episodes on DrJuliusStrangePork's YouTube channel.

123 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:07:18am

re: #120 littleoldlady

Yeah, but there's a girl puppy he likes in his neighborhood!

Rumor has it they're portable.

124 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:07:35am

re: #108 redc1c4

Nuanced: That = no more Raptor (which we need) No Navy (which needs F-18 replacement) , no Army (hey f those guys, they are just doing gods work in country). BTW, we have no money to fly right now in the Navy, we done been laid off by the teleprompter.

But hey, 5 billion for Acorn, community building, and shit...

125 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:08:13am

re: #113 gmsc

I saw that about 20 years ago. Thanks for finding it!

126 sngnsgt  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:08:23am

re: #122 gmsc

Thanks, as a drummer, I've got a soft spot for Animal. ;-)

127 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:08:43am

re: #118 littleoldlady

sngnsgt! :-)

Me too!

Here's a scene from the Muppet Show that you'll enjoy. It's a rare treat – Robin (Kermit's nephew) singing solo!

128 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:09:29am

re: #126 sngnsgt

Thanks, as a drummer, I've got a soft spot for Animal. ;-)

Oh, well then here's a treat for you!

129 Throbert McGee  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:09:43am

re: #22 gmsc

You should try listening to it the way people originally did: 15 minutes of Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy, and then listen to the story 15 minutes after it begins!

And note that the first 40 minutes were presented without a commercial break, AND in real-time -- so if you tuned in at the 15 minute mark, you got 25 minutes of a "live, breaking news report" about the Martian invasion before the break! (During the commercial break at the 40 minute mark, there was a disclaimer about it being just a fictional story, and after the break the format abruptly switched from a real-time news report to a past-tense epilogue describing what happened over a period of a few weeks from the initial invasion to the death of the Martians.)

Incidentally, does anyone else remember Special Bulletin, a made-for-TV movie from the '80s about an eco-terrorist group detonating an atomic bomb in Charleston, SC? That was also done as "real-time news" and quite unsettling if you tuned in right after a commercial break (and thus missed the "this is fiction" disclaimer until the next break).

130 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:10:08am

re: #123 Alberta Oil Peon

Alas, the big city and the fashion district aren't.

/no she's not shallow, that's the type of area she works in.

131 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:13:37am

re: #127 gmsc

MAGIC! :-)

/variation on a theme

132 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:14:08am

re: #124 eddiespaghetti

Nuanced: That = no more Raptor (which we need) No Navy (which needs F-18 replacement) , no Army (hey f those guys, they are just doing gods work in country). BTW, we have no money to fly right now in the Navy, we done been laid off by the teleprompter.

But hey, 5 billion for Acorn, community building, and shit...

i feel your pain...... i was in during the Clinton years. my deuce needed a windshield wiper...... for 3 years. the shortage was eventually resolved by transfering the truck to another section.

133 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:14:18am

re: #121 Killian Bundy


Utilities and silver for me. I'm interested in transportation, but I'll probably just wait for a pullback in that sector before investing.

I also have a couple hundred in U.S. savings bonds from last year- the worst of which are earning 3%

134 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:14:45am

re: #124 eddiespaghetti

Nuanced: That = no more Raptor (which we need) No Navy (which needs F-18 replacement) , no Army (hey f those guys, they are just doing gods work in country). BTW, we have no money to fly right now in the Navy, we done been laid off by the teleprompter.

But hey, 5 billion for Acorn, community building, and shit...

That's about how it'll go. There's a reason they've been keeping it a closely guarded secret.

/as of next week, our military will find itself bending over to the whims of Barney Frank, word

135 sngnsgt  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:16:04am

re: #128 gmsc

LOL! Buddy Rich is more of an animal than Animal.

136 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:16:35am

As a taxpayer, did u know the Carrier Navy is not flying right now? Half of the fleet is grounded, we have 50% funding right now. I will tell stories of the guys deployed right now.

Go Acorn, 5B for community work...

137 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:16:37am

re: #131 littleoldlady

MAGIC! :-)

/variation on a theme

That was exactly the theme of the show. In that episode, Doug Henning was the guest star!

I loved this musical number from the same episode:

138 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:17:33am

re: #135 sngnsgt

LOL! Buddy Rich is more of an animal than Animal.

I love the expression on Animal's face at the end – it's like he's watching Buddy Rich and saying WTF?!?

139 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:19:55am

re: #133 Fenway_Nation

Utilities and silver for me. I'm interested in transportation, but I'll probably just wait for a pullback in that sector before investing.

I also have a couple hundred in U.S. savings bonds from last year- the worst of which are earning 3%

Pay the $300 annual subscription for IBD, follow their clear cut buy/sell rules religiously and you'll make money.

/you'll eventually want to pay the $1000 annual advanced chart fee, it more than pays for itself

140 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:21:08am

5B would pay for a new fleet Hornets and Raptors...

For the next 20 years, but hey, Acorn deserves that shit! Its your money, pay for the future of our country or the future of the Demo party, your choice....

141 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:23:30am

re: #140 eddiespaghetti

5B would pay for a new fleet Hornets and Raptors...

For the next 20 years, but hey, Acorn deserves that shit! Its your money, pay for the future of our country or the future of the Demo party, your choice....

/they care about consolidating power, not defending America

142 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:24:13am

re: #139 Killian Bundy

It would be nice to have something other than instinct and a semi-educated guess to act upon.

143 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:24:52am

Kenny Rogers sings The Gambler:

144 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:25:53am

I'm a Gene Krupa fan since I was 14. Here's Gene having lots of fun.

145 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:27:06am

re: #142 Fenway_Nation

It would be nice to have something other than instinct and a semi-educated guess to act upon.

/you get a four week free trial, just make sure you cancel if you don't like it

146 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:29:56am

Monday is the defense budget, Gates will tell us...

I am telling U right now, the shit has hit the fan. Airwings going to OEF are @ 80% funding at best, at least the dudes on the ground don't need support (sarcasm):

147 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:30:29am

re: #144 BatGuano

I'm a Gene Krupa fan since I was 14. Here's Gene having lots of fun.


[Video]

What a coinkydink. Right now, I'm listening to the Gene Krupa band doing Drum Boogie. In fact, I'm listening to a recorded radio program, The Minister of Swing, which can be heard on-line on WWOZ, New Orleans. I recorded this on on January 15th, and the Minister was marking Gene Krupa's birthday. Good music.

148 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:30:33am

Krupa or Buddy rich? I pick Krupa over all of them.
An "aging" Krupa and Buddy Rich.

149 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:33:02am

re: #147 Alberta Oil Peon

This drum boogie? (of course). I posted this a few days ago. It is brilliant.

150 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:36:59am

re: #149 BatGuano

This drum boogie? (of course). I posted this a few days ago. It is brilliant.


[Video]

Same song, but the studio version, I'm pretty sure, not the one in the movie.

151 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:40:31am

re: #142 Fenway_Nation

It would be nice to have something other than instinct and a semi-educated guess to act upon.

Alright, they rolled over into there new online interface.

/bottem line, IBD is the market daily newspaer of record and you get that for the entry fee, well worth the $300

152 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:41:00am

re: #150 Alberta Oil Peon

I'd like to here the studio version and a live version. Boogie!

153 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:45:32am

re: #152 BatGuano

I'd like to here the studio version and a live version. Boogie!

I could probably extract an mp3 of the song from the program, and e-mail it to you. I'm currently playing about a 2+ hour mp3 in my copy of Audacity. I use that to edit out any dead spots, or extraneous things like ads or public-service announcements. The DJ chatter is mostly germane to the music at hand, so I leave it in. Knowledgeable DJs are worth it.

154 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:46:27am

My favorite illusion of all-time. Harry Anderson needle through the arm. He tries to tell the audience it's an illusion!

155 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:50:19am

re: #153 Alberta Oil Peon

I'd love to here it. Let me know when you're ready.

156 Ateam  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:50:43am

All Lizards of the world!
You are invited to an open party this evening (20.00pm local time -- 10.00am PST). Get a jet (submarine, skateboard) and come over here. About 300K people will attend 100st birthday festival to Tel-Aviv.

Drinks on me (look for a 6ft guy, dark skin, green-yellow eyes)

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

157 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:51:15am

Fine, I got better response with: YO

158 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:51:26am

re: #154 BatGuano

My favorite illusion of all-time. Harry Anderson needle through the arm. He tries to tell the audience it's an illusion!

I love that!

The video is from Harry Anderson video called "Hello Sucker". If you can find it, the whole thing is a treat!

159 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:51:49am

re: #155 BatGuano

I'd love to here it. Let me know when you're ready.

OK, I will try it. Give me a few minutes. Some of these files take a long time to save on my machine. It has to be converted to mp3 on the fly, so to speak.

160 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:52:19am

Ateam! :-)

green-yellow eyes

Good grief! You really ARE a Lizard!

;-)

161 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:52:59am

re: #157 eddiespaghetti

eddie,

It's hard to get more distressed than I already am. :-(

162 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:53:45am

How come you never see women doing magic? Actually, you do. It's just that they're hard to find.

Check this out:

163 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:53:53am

re: #157 eddiespaghetti

Hey, Eddie! How they hangin'?

164 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:54:59am

re: #161 littleoldlady

eddie,

It's hard to get more distressed than I already am. :-(

/roll with reality

165 UncleRancher  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:55:27am

re: #160 littleoldlady

re: #162 gmsc

re: #163 BatGuano

re: #159 Alberta Oil Peon

re: #157 eddiespaghetti

Greetings!

166 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:55:56am

UncleRancher! :-)

167 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:55:56am

re: #161 littleoldlady

lol: Indeed, I just don't think anybody cares...

Distressed like u read about! (as they say)

168 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:56:40am

re: #165 UncleRancher

Greetings!

Back at ya, Unc!

169 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:58:48am

okay, just a couple more minutes to fruitcup then I can hit the rack. Kosher Coke is great, but I don't recommend drinking a 2 liter bottle by yourself. :)

170 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:59:01am

OBTW, "Like U read about" is a Naval term, I believe.

Means what you would think.

171 UncleRancher  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:59:28am

We just got back from our very occasional trip into the big city where we went to the store and then played Laser Tag. Second round I took #2 behind my son's #1 score. Fun.

172 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 1:59:57am

re: #162 gmsc

How come you never see women doing magic? Actually, you do. It's just that they're hard to find.

Check this out:

[Video]

In that previous post, the woman's name is Tina Lenert.

Here is Juliana Chen:

173 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:00:26am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

174 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:00:50am

They still have kosher Coke in Canada?

175 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:00:52am

re: #173 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

My favorite lady doing my favorite kind of magic!

Yummy! Thank you!

176 UncleRancher  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:01:21am

YESSSSSS! Fruitcup! What a sweetheart!

177 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:01:22am

gmsc! :-)

/awwww!
//blushing

178 Ateam  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:01:53am

re: #160 littleoldlady

Ateam! :-)


Good grief! You really ARE a Lizard!

;-)

Truth is I had this colored eyes before I manage my ideas & thoughts.

179 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:02:04am

Taliban Militant Leader Claims Responsibility for N.Y. Shooting Massacre

A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has reportedly claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York state in which 13 people were killed.

"I accept responsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to U.S. drone attacks," Baituallah Mehsud told Reuters by telephone on Saturday.

/be careful about taking a [expletive deleted], the Taliban might snatch it before it gets wet

180 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:02:07am

UncleRancher! :-)

181 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:02:42am

re: #174 littleoldlady

Yep, once a year we do for about a month. Trick is knowing where to find it. Since I live in an orthodox neighbourhood there is no trick. Just go to the nearest grocery store. Real tasty stuff.

182 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:02:58am

re: #173 littleoldlady

Thank you littleoldlady.

183 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:03:37am

Oh yeah, thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady. It tastes wonderful.

184 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:04:04am

re: #165 UncleRancher

Hi, Unclerancher.

185 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:04:04am

eddie,

After Obama's performance in Europe I'm ready to sign on to impeachment proceedings. So you see, it's not that I don't care, it's that I'm DONE.

/or more to the point, HE'S done
//and as far as I'm concern he has no right to be President of my country

186 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:05:32am

BlueCanuck,

I don't think we can get Coke labeled "Kosher for Passover" here anymore. I don't know WHY, but they stopped doing it a few years ago.

BatGuano! :-)

187 UncleRancher  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:05:37am

re: #185 littleoldlady

Roger that in Spades!

188 TedStriker  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:06:02am

re: #173 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

Is there any "hard" fruitcup, ma'am?

;-P

189 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:06:21am

re: #185 littleoldlady

Indeed:


What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom?
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice?

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had?
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad?

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty in' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom?
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little ?
'Cause the only reason that you're here
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a hefty in' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five

190 freetoken  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:06:59am

re: #173 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

Going tropical tonight?

191 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:10:08am

talon! :-)

/semi
//it's still breakfast ;-)

192 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:10:35am

freetoken! :-)

What IS that stuff?

/pink and white

193 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:11:16am

re: #191 littleoldlady

I love sangria.

194 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:12:21am
Baituallah Mehsud told Reuters by telephone

/i don't seeing him liviving much longer

195 freetoken  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:12:43am

re: #192 littleoldlady

Dragon Fruit, from Vietnam.

196 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:14:35am

Oh, speaking of Vietnam...did they find out who the shooter in Binghamton stole the car from?

/and is that person still alive?

197 UncleRancher  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:14:48am

re: #185 littleoldlady

eddie,

After Obama's performance in Europe I'm ready to sign on to impeachment proceedings. So you see, it's not that I don't care, it's that I'm DONE.

/or more to the point, HE'S done
//and as far as I'm concern he has no right to be President of my country

Here's another part of the problem.

198 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:15:17am

re: #173 littleoldlady

Fruitcup and Kosher Coca-cola!?

Is this heaven?

199 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:19:27am

I'm starting to doze off.

Good night, all!

200 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:19:32am

But dont say U want him to failre: #197 UncleRancher

But for god sake don't say you want him to fail!

Not like I want him to fail @ universal health care, carbon credits, or anything to do with Nuclear power!

201 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:19:42am

re: #197 UncleRancher

Bwahaha!

We'd be MUCH better off if they "recessed" 100% of the time...

202 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:20:21am
203 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:20:38am

re: #198 Fenway_Nation

I was actually thinking maybe a little whine wine.

;-)

204 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:21:08am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

205 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:21:55am

Goodnight, gmsc!

206 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:22:38am

re: #197 UncleRancher

Here's another part of the problem.

/out of control doesn't even begin to describe the problem

207 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:22:55am

Night gmsc. I am going to log off now as well. Practically the latest I have been up all week. *gasp* I have actually been out in the DAYLIGHT!

/upside, gotta find them.

208 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:23:14am

re: #173 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

Yummy! Thanks, littleoldlady. I was busy searching a file.

209 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:23:52am

re: #205 BatGuano

Goodnight, gmsc!

BatGuano, I have Drum Boogie saved as an mp3 for you.

210 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:24:10am

Goodnight , BlueCanuck.

211 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:25:28am

'Night, Blue! :-)

/chin up!

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

That's okay. You get fruitcup anyway. ;-)

212 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:27:43am

re: #199 gmsc

G'nite gmsc!

213 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:29:05am

OUT~

Gnight all!

214 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:29:19am

re: #209 Alberta Oil Peon

My nic should be blue. If not, I don't know how to do it.

215 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:29:30am

'Night, eddie! :-)

216 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:29:55am

re: #207 BlueCanuck


G'nite blue!

217 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:30:09am

re: #213 eddiespaghetti

G'night, eddie.

218 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:30:22am

Night!

219 UncleRancher  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:30:53am

G'nite All, and thanks again for the delicious fruitcup. It's time for some shut-eye.

220 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:32:04am

re: #219 UncleRancher

g'night Uncle.

221 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:32:36am
222 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:38:17am

re: #214 BatGuano

My nic should be blue. If not, I don't know how to do it.

e-mail sent, BatGuano.

Weird things happen on this computer. I had the remainder of that music show playing on the computer when I invoked the safe-mail thingy, and I guess it garbled up some of the machine's resources. The two stereo tracks of the music got out of sync by a fraction of a second. Sounded weird.

223 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:40:34am

re: #222 Alberta Oil Peon

I got it! Listening right now.

224 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:45:15am

re: #223 BatGuano

I got it! Listening right now.

Kewl! Isn't the Innernut wonderful. Incidentally, the music that got garbled was about a 7-minute jam on Drum Boogie done by an early-fifties version of the Krupa band. No vocals, a number of solos, a little be-bop influence in there, but pretty cool all the same. I expect it would be about twice the file size. But I can try it for you if you'd like. Killer drum solo near the end.

225 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:46:36am

Taliban Claims Credit for Binghampton Attack

Anyone else read/heard anything on this?

226 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:47:46am

re: #224 Alberta Oil Peon

Love to here it. Bring it on!

227 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:49:40am

Spare O'Lake! :-)

Veh iz mir! Life is just too surreal anymore.

228 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:51:13am

That's it for me. :-(

Good day, ALL!

229 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:51:50am

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

Taliban Claims Credit for Binghampton Attack

Anyone else read/heard anything on this?

Yeah. Don't know what to make of it. Was the Taliban responsible or just taking "credit" for it. Either way, they are immoral, murderous bastards.

230 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:52:18am

G'nite UncleRancher! G'nite eddie!

Everyone's leaving....did I fart or something?

231 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:53:14am

re: #228 littleoldlady

Good day, lol.Good choice of music.

232 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:54:15am

re: #227 littleoldlady

Spare O'Lake! :-)

Veh iz mir! Life is just too surreal anymore.

You said it!
May I have my fruit swimming in Napolean Brandy please?

233 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:58:15am

re: #229 BatGuano


I think the Taliban also took credit for that widespread blackout across the northeast back in 2003...

Dubious claim, considering I doubt most Taliban could operate a household appliance, let alone sabotage a major reigonal power grid....

234 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:00:56am

re: #233 Fenway_Nation

You're absolutely right. Sometimes it's like the rooster who takes credit for the sunrise.

235 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:03:50am

re: #234 BatGuano

You're absolutely right. Sometimes it's like the rooster who takes credit for the sunrise.

Heh! That's about it. The Taliban are just trying to f*ck with people's heads.

The new mp3 is on its way to you, BTW.

236 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:04:28am

re: #234 BatGuano

You're absolutely right. Sometimes it's like the rooster who takes credit for the sunrise.


I think the Taliban are more in the 'useless cocksuckers' category than the 'crowing cock' category.

237 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:05:32am

re: #224 Alberta Oil Peon

Thanks. Listening now. :)

238 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:06:34am

re: #236 Fenway_Nation

I think the Taliban are more in the 'useless cocksuckers' category than the 'crowing cock' category.

If Baitullah Mehsud's dick falls off, shall I take credit for it, or will you?

239 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:09:12am

re: #236 Fenway_Nation

I think the Taliban are more in the 'useless cocksuckers' category than the 'crowing cock' category.

Yes. I think you nailed it.

240 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:10:09am

re: #238 Alberta Oil Peon

That can be all you, AOP.

/Shame shame....taking credit for what goat-borne STDs have accomplished.

241 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:11:39am

re: #235 Alberta Oil Peon

I am listening to it now. I am so fucking impressed! This is great. Is that Krupa on the drums. It is wild enough to be him.

242 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:12:36am

re: #240 Fenway_Nation

That can be all you, AOP.

/Shame shame....taking credit for what goat-borne STDs have accomplished.

Hey! It was a lot of work, hauling those goats to the Folsom Street Fair to get them infected, and then shipping them to Pakistan and launching them into Afghanistan with giant goatapults.

243 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:13:58am

re: #241 BatGuano

I am listening to it now. I am so fucking impressed! This is great. Is that Krupa on the drums. It is wild enough to be him.

Yes, I believe it's the Gene Krupa band from about 1953, with some big names sitting in. I should have scrolled back a bit, possibly the DJ mentioned who was present.

244 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:14:05am

re: #236 Fenway_Nation

I think the Taliban are more in the 'useless cocksuckers' category than the 'crowing cock' category.

Fox has picked up the story. There doesn't seem to be any independent evidence at this point to substantiate the Taliban claim, so I think this story goes on the shelf for awhile.

245 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:17:51am

re: #241 BatGuano

I am listening to it now. I am so fucking impressed! This is great. Is that Krupa on the drums. It is wild enough to be him.

I went back and checked. According to the DJ, it's the Gene Krupa trio from 1952. Charlie Ventura on tenor sax, Teddy Napoleon piano, and Gene on the drums.

246 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:20:23am

re: #245 Alberta Oil Peon

Thank you! Just what I wanted to know.Sax, piano and drums. It's a treasure.

247 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:22:35am

re: #244 Spare O'Lake

Fox has picked up the story. There doesn't seem to be any independent evidence at this point to substantiate the Taliban claim, so I think this story goes on the shelf for awhile.

I'm 99.99% certain the Taliban scum is blowing smoke. He speaks of "men" being involved, but the cops say there was a lone gunman. If jihadis had perpetrated this massacre, you'd expect some sort of grandstanding on their part, not a self-inflicted gunshot wound to end it all. Just does not compute.

248 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:22:40am

re: #242 Alberta Oil Peon

What? No sternly worded letters to tthrough the UN?

249 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:23:34am

re: #246 BatGuano

Thank you! Just what I wanted to know.Sax, piano and drums. It's a treasure.

Sounds like a great big band, too. Glad you like it.

250 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:25:33am

Goodnight all. Time to retire for the night. Thanks Alberta Oil for the music.

251 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:26:58am

re: #250 BatGuano

Goodnight all. Time to retire for the night. Thanks Alberta Oil for the music.

You are most welcome. Glad to share. Do check out the wwoz link. There are some fine programs there in the big band and jazz genres.

And I'm about to sack out too. Expect a busy day tomorrow.

252 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:31:34am

re: #251 Alberta Oil Peon


G'nite AOP!

253 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:34:04am

re: #247 Alberta Oil Peon

I'm 99.99% certain the Taliban scum is blowing smoke. He speaks of "men" being involved, but the cops say there was a lone gunman. If jihadis had perpetrated this massacre, you'd expect some sort of grandstanding on their part, not a self-inflicted gunshot wound to end it all. Just does not compute.

It's BS...They have been going on and on about how they would be doing something BIG in DC that will shock us all....and now they claim they have gone to a sleepy upstate town and massacred immigrants? who, apparently, are not even yet Americans?....no way....not buying it

254 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:35:30am

and shame on rueters for exploiting this for the benefit of the Taliban....for pete sakes...a 5th grader would have waved the BS flag

255 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:42:01am

re: #254 kawfytawk


The claims were probably made more for the Taliban's benefit than to try and fool the kuffar...

256 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:43:48am

And on that happy note, I'm off to get some shuteye.

257 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:46:01am

nite fenway

258 Luigi  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:10:43am

A Guardian reporter lifts the lid on the media's self-imposed fascism.

The question that flummoxed the great orator

Freedom of the press means nothing to the press. They have enthusiastically thrown it overboard.

259 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:19:33am

re: #258 Luigi

I'm a great believer in looking forwards than looking backwards.

that way he doesn't have to face the destruction in his wake

260 Buster Bunny  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:42:26am
....... And scattered about it, some in their overturned war-machines, some in the now rigid handling-machines, and a dozen of them stark and silent and laid in a row, were the Martians—dead!—slain by the putrefactive and disease bacteria against which their systems were unprepared; slain as the red weed was being slain; slain, after all man’s devices had failed, by the humblest things that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this earth.

Ok we killed the martians that slaughtered us by the tonne, and left their forces a quivering wreck.

BUT WHO WAS REALLY TO BLAME? DID WE SOMEHOW IRRITATE THE MARTIANS?

/leftist viewpoint

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:44:37am

If they'd just played "When I'm Calling You", by Slim Whitman.

262 Luigi  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:46:18am

re: #259 kawfytawk

that way he doesn't have to face the destruction in his wake

Here's how he looks forwards...

Image: obamabow.jpg

263 Buster Bunny  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:46:54am

If only we'd just sat there and let the martians turn us into bite sized food patties, it would have all been cool and the world would have been at peace and there would have been lots of food for all (Martians)

/leftist agony

264 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:48:01am

Good afternoon, coming to you from a non descript building in East Africa (to the Mark Levin intro), how are the Lizards today?

265 Buster Bunny  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:48:44am

re: #264 shanec99

Good afternoon, coming to you from a non descript building in East Africa (to the Mark Levin intro), how are the Lizards today?

does the building have a name?

266 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:49:48am

Anyone heard about how a tiny east African island gave the dinner jacket its middle finger? It is a great story, but it is not well reported in the US media.

267 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:50:33am

re: #263 Buster Bunny

/leftist agony

*Channeling Bugs Bunney*
Oooooooo, AAAAA-go-NEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! :)

Morning, Lizards!

268 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:50:35am

re: #265 Buster Bunny
Home of Shanec99 away from home.

269 Buster Bunny  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:53:40am

re: #266 shanec99

OOH STORY !

Do tell. It may just be interesting.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:54:01am
271 jcbunga  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:54:50am

Morning all from chilly but warming up and sunny Northern Virginia.

Another plane load of troops is coming in at BWI 1PM.

If you're in the DC area come welcome home the heroes.

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:55:11am

re: #265 Buster Bunny

does the building have a name?

The Tower of Anonymity?

273 Buster Bunny  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:56:20am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Mars Attacks...

I think this link could be handy when Space Jeebus is here...

Anyone who turns Sarah Jessica Parker into a small creature with a dogs body is OK by me !

/unfurls his WELCOME TO EARTH YOU SCUMSUCKING ALIENS banner

274 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:57:33am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Mars Attacks...

I think this link could be handy when Space Jeebus is here...

ever wish you had a lapel pin with a chip that could just play that when you needed it?

275 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:58:03am

Here is the story:
For sometime now the island of Mayotte (part of the Comoros Chain) has been seeking to formalize its ties with the west (specifically France) and get rid of Sharia in favor of French law.
Well in early March '09 the Dinner Jacket journeyed to the Comoros and urged Comoroans to remain united under Islam and reject teaching that undermined Islamic influence.
On 22 March the people of Mayotte voted to become a department of France and break away from the Comoros by a vote of greater than 95%.

Islamic clergy campaingned against the vote to break away.

Notes:
Mayotte voted to end child brides, women will have to be 18 to marry.
Mayotte voted to end polygamy.
Mayotte voted to end inequality between men and women.

95% of the people of Mayotte voted to end backwardness, I wonder if we could enroll some Mayotte citizens in Columbia.

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:58:25am

re: #274 Chicago Blonde

I have been looking for that clip FOREVER! Can't believe it was named something that makes it impossible to find.

277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:59:26am

re: #274 Chicago Blonde

Oh! Yep!

278 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:00:30am

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOL! You can never find what you're looking for when you really have your heart set on it. Sound files, jeans that fit correctly, a good TV show when you're sick on the couch - 'tis all one.

279 Buster Bunny  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:00:38am

re: #273 Buster Bunny

The great thing about my banner is it can be modified for border control as well. So it ends up reading ....

WELCOME TO EARTH USA YOU SCUMSUCKING ALIENS

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:03:18am

re: #278 Chicago Blonde

How'd you get into them jeans?

Here's some kitsch.

281 notutopia  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:03:39am

....and a dozen of them stark and silent and laid in a row, were the Martians—dead!—slain by the putrefactive and disease bacteria against which their systems were unprepared....
H. G. Wells

Heh, Gotta luv those God placed bacteria. Perhaps they don't have "skin", but instead exoskeletons, like insects. Because, if they were wearing their space suits, they would have not succumbed to tactile or airborne bacteria. Now, viruses however, would be the way to go to your space master!

282 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:03:43am

Here is the story, not carried widely in the US:

[Link: www.france24.com...]

Of course, the government of the Comoros is upset, and is asking Arab governments to reject what 95% of the people of Mayotte vote for.
[Link: www.ttc.org...]

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:04:36am

re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, gosh that is awful...hahahahahaha!

284 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:04:53am

So I looked at CNN's site, and the first thing I see is the headline for mourners for Jade Goody. It's horrible and I can't imagine passing and knowing you're going to leave small children, but with all the world's ills, that was the main headline? The saber-rattling of the Norks is buried, a banner under that all-important info that the judge may let Madonna adopt.

*weeps*

285 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:05:37am

re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does puke short-circuit computers? :)

286 Buster Bunny  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:07:29am

re: #285 Chicago Blonde

Does puke short-circuit computers? :)

Most computers these days have just membrane keyboards, which should mean they are almost puke proof. But try it on a laptop, your insurance company will just LUUUURVE you.

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:08:09am

re: #285 Chicago Blonde

Well, look at it this way, if her blue jeans are talking, and you are deaf?
You can at least read her lips!

*ducks and runs*!

288 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:08:13am

re: #286 Buster Bunny

Most computers these days have just membrane keyboards, which should mean they are almost puke proof. But try it on a laptop, your insurance company will just LUUUURVE you.

Don't watch the Pledge video on a laptop. Check. Thanks. :)

289 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:08:38am

re: #287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*throws shoe*

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:09:42am

re: #289 Chicago Blonde

OUCH!

291 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:11:02am

Here's an unpleasant mess. Note that the foundation for this action was laid during the Bush Administration, and is being upheld by the current Administration.

So: my gut reaction to child abusers is to skin 'em alive and roll 'em in rock salt. But here we have abusers who have been found guilty and sentenced by a court, have paid their dues by serving their time, and who are now facing the Orwellian-sounding "indefinite detention" because of the nature of their crimes.

It's easy, in such cases, to cheer on the Justices, to lock these perverts up and throw away the key. I know if anyone did something like this to my kid, they likely would never get to trial. But what sort of precedent does this set? What sorts of crimes will, at a later date, be classed as so abominable that offenders require similar treatment? Sexual abuse? Robbery? Rape? OK, those seem reasonable, too. But why stop there? How about cheating on your taxes? Tampering with your water-saving faucet? Driving a low-mileage car? Disagreeing publicly (or even privately) with the President?

I don't think this is a door we want opened. If the crimes involved are so odious, that should be reflected in their original sentencing - not ex post facto. And "forever" as a term of imprisonment harks back to dungeons and monarchical fiat, not a society governed by the Rule of Law. If a judge thinks that a crime is so odious that the perpetrator ought to locked up for a century, then the judge ought to have the spine to impose such a sentence up front, within the framework of the legal system, and not rely on a shadowy, faceless bureaucracy to do his work for him and circumvent the right of appeal and the workings of the penal system.

[rant over]

292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:11:11am

re: #289 Chicago Blonde

*throws shoe*

I was an easy target in dodge-ball too...

293 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:12:14am

Good Morning Lizards!
how is everyone today?

294 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:12:39am

re: #292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was an easy target in dodge-ball too...

Aw, nobody is a match for the boomerang Harley boot...

295 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:13:08am

re: #293 HoosierHoops

Morning HoosierHoops!

296 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:13:19am
297 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:13:57am

re: #295 Chicago Blonde

Morning HoosierHoops!

How are you today? I survived Friday night clubbing..
kind of surprising really../

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:14:48am

re: #291 SixDegrees

There are people who are listed as "predators" for the rest of their lives who were 18 year old guys who had sex with a 17 year old girlfriend...

If they simply inject common sense into the equation, I have no problems with it.

Possession of kiddie porn? Sexual abuse of a child? Nuther thang all together.

299 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:15:18am

re: #296 kawfytawk

hope this "mom" finds a cozy seat next to the furnace in hell

I read that, I have no idea how that THING can live with herself itself.

300 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:15:39am

Good morning all. Not sure how long I can stay. Signed on from Reserve Duty here.

301 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:16:37am

re: #297 HoosierHoops

Good deal! :) I just sort of chilled with Mr. Blonde last night. Made him his favorite dinner and opened a nice bottle of claret.

302 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:16:41am

Any melt down this weekend yet?

303 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:17:00am

re: #299 Chicago Blonde

talk about puking...that poor girl....what she must be going through...it sickens me to think about it

304 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:17:45am

morning nevergiveup

305 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:17:58am

re: #301 Chicago Blonde

Good deal! :) I just sort of chilled with Mr. Blonde last night. Made him his favorite dinner and opened a nice bottle of claret.

did you get the lizard cookbook yet?
Sounds like you had a nice evening

306 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:18:59am

obama is the dumbest smart guy i can think of ...

307 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:19:45am

re: #303 kawfytawk

I know. Poor thing.

I am not a vicious person (or try not to be) but if that "mom" got the death penalty I wouldn't shed a tear.

308 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:20:17am

re: #302 Nevergiveup

Any melt down this weekend yet?

Not yet..A few of us tried the light the fuse on SpaceJesus but he just didn't get there...One lizard ask him..Don't you think we should nuke somebody..
We were all laughing just waiting to click the report icon.
It was pretty fun

309 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:20:29am

good morning.

Pitchforks

310 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:21:24am

re: #305 HoosierHoops

Thanks, we did. It was quiet and peaceful and my first day of regular food after the work done. I didn't get the cookbook yet but I may need to. Mr. Blonde isn't a cook and my recipe box is one big rerun...

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:21:36am

re: #308 HoosierHoops

See my 270 Hoosier...

312 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:21:45am

so how is everyone this morning?...HH hangover? FBV...you are awfully quiet?

313 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:21:54am

re: #307 Chicago Blonde

I know. Poor thing.

I am not a vicious person (or try not to be) but if that "mom" got the death penalty I wouldn't shed a tear.

Hi Blondie ... and I don't think you are "arrogant" either ... even though you are an American

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:22:16am

re: #312 kawfytawk

Blondie hit me with a shoe.

315 BignJames  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:22:18am
316 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:22:40am

re: #309 FrogMarch

love it :O)

317 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:23:45am

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOL...are you ok?

318 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:23:48am

re: #313 _RememberTonyC

Hi RememberTonyC.

Thanks! I'm not arrogant, I'm just always right. Just ask Mr. Blonde. ;)

/LOL!

319 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:24:43am

re: #317 kawfytawk

LOL...are you ok?

Aw, he had it coming. He put a link to a DR. HOOK video! Baby Makes Her Blue Jeans Talk, for cryingouts! No jury would convict me!

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:24:49am

re: #315 BignJames

Hey Big'n? I am rooting for the Tar-heels tonight for the first time in my life (I've always been "ABC" for college BBall).

Good luck tonight.

321 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:25:05am

re: #318 Chicago Blonde

Hi RememberTonyC.

Thanks! I'm not arrogant, I'm just always right. Just ask Mr. Blonde. ;)

/LOL!

If you hubby is anything like me, our most used phrase is "YES DEAR."

322 Geepers  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:25:27am

_RememberTonyC (#306),

obama is the dumbest smart guy i can think of ...

Not to mention the most inarticulate Greatest Orator in the World.

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:25:59am

re: #317 kawfytawk

"boomerang Harley boot" clipped me right behind the ear. And all for making a fantastically funny joke!

324 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:26:17am

re: #319 Chicago Blonde

Dr. Hook?....were videos invented in then?...hehehe

325 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:26:23am

re: #312 kawfytawk

so how is everyone this morning?...HH hangover? FBV...you are awfully quiet?

Good Morning! Got home at 4am..Mama is asleep and i don't think I'm sober yet..
/Which is a good thing..my head may hurt later today! LOL

326 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:26:47am

Why didn't Obama kiss Carla B. Sarkozy yesterday? Would he have prefered a fist bump?

327 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:26:48am

re: #323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*offers cake*

328 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:27:00am

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See my 270 Hoosier...

That was great! I gave you an upding..

329 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:27:07am

re: #325 HoosierHoops

take 2 tylenol now and chug the water

330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:27:30am

re: #327 Chicago Blonde

Ooooh! I love cake!

331 BignJames  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:27:36am

re: #320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Big'n? I am rooting for the Tar-heels tonight for the first time in my life (I've always been "ABC" for college BBall).

Good luck tonight.


'Nova has played some awful good bball the last couple weeks....should be a good game.

332 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:27:54am

re: #322 Geepers

_RememberTonyC (#306),


Not to mention the most inarticulate Greatest Orator in the World.

I guess you could call him a "Walking OxyMoron."

333 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:28:53am

re: #296 kawfytawk

hope this "mom" finds a cozy seat next to the furnace in hell

Eeeewwwwww. I feel like I have to shower now.

This ties in with my earlier post. When this piece of filth comes up for sentencing, the judge ought to be upfront about the situation and impose a harsh sentence in the full light of day. He shouldn't hand out a lighter sentence, hoping that some faceless bureaucrat will dole out something harsher later on.

Again: my gut reaction here is that a sentence of "Dip the b*itch in pig pheromones and toss her in a pit full of boars" would be perfectly acceptable. But if you're going to impose such a sentence, be a man about it and own it.

334 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:28:54am

re: #326 _RememberTonyC

Why didn't Obama kiss Carla B. Sarkozy yesterday? Would he have prefered a fist bump?

And did any mainstream media (I know the answer but I have to ask) cover the bow?

335 Geepers  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:29:31am

_RememberTonyC (#332),

I guess you could call him a "Walking OxyMoron."

Nice.

336 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:30:26am

re: #334 Chicago Blonde

And did any mainstream media (I know the answer but I have to ask) cover the bow?

hell no ... but I think someone posted something on the board yesterday from Debbie Schlussel's web site that had a good shot of the bow.

337 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:31:04am

re: #333 SixDegrees

horrible isn't it....and you are right...tired of the bleeding heart judges offering counseling/probation or some such blather

338 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:32:21am

re: #322 Geepers

Not to mention the most inarticulate Greatest Orator in the World.

Foster Brooks used to work that corner.

339 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:32:23am

re: #334 Chicago Blonde

of course not....they were relieved to have the massacre in upstate to contend with...no time for the trivial

340 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:32:41am

re: #336 _RememberTonyC

I figured as much.

I didn't post as much this week but it was great to come here, read the comments on the thread and see that I wasn't the only one horrified by that.

341 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:33:25am

re: #339 kawfytawk

See my #284.

342 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:33:26am

re: #340 Chicago Blonde

I figured as much.

I didn't post as much this week but it was great to come here, read the comments on the thread and see that I wasn't the only one horrified by that.

here's a look, Blondie:
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

343 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:36:16am

re: #341 Chicago Blonde

ya know....nothing shocks me anymore regarding the MSM. Well I take that back....the only thing that does is that they cannot see they have lost ALL credibility.

344 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:36:20am

re: #342 _RememberTonyC

here's a look, Blondie:
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Thanks.

Disgusting. I'm not thrilled with Bush greeting him with a kiss either, but as others noted, that's a greeting, not a freaking BOW.

345 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:37:49am

I'm just so thrilled the europe loves our new "Ass Kisser In Chief."

346 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:38:20am

re: #343 kawfytawk

I wonder if they just don't care, because they assume none of us see it. WRONG.

*channeling Joe Pesci from Casino*
Peek-a-boo, I see you, [deleted]..

347 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:38:42am

re: #344 Chicago Blonde

we may be mistaken....it wasn't a bow....it was Obama "showing his ass", as they say in the south, to us peons back home

348 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:39:17am

re: #326 _RememberTonyC

Why didn't Obama kiss Carla B. Sarkozy yesterday? Would he have prefered a fist bump?

It can't have been racism, since he kissed Mr. Sarkozy and she kissed Michelle. Perhaps kissing the opposite sex is not permitted according to her (or his) religious beliefs?
/

349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:39:24am

re: #347 kawfytawk

Charles did a thread on this....was it a bow?

Seriously.

350 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:39:59am

re: #349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

oh really? LOL....so what was the consensus?

351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:40:25am

re: #350 kawfytawk

Dunno... was asking y'all.

352 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:40:38am

re: #347 kawfytawk

we may be mistaken....it wasn't a bow....it was Obama "showing his ass", as they say in the south, to us peons back home

This may explain why he kisses the ass of a male sheik, but not the cheek of france's first hottie.

hmmmmmm

353 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:40:38am

re: #347 kawfytawk

re: #349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I call bow. The meaning was clear no matter what.

354 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:40:49am

re: #346 Chicago Blonde

I honestly think they are clueless

355 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:42:28am

re: #354 kawfytawk

Well, I can't rule it out. And they wouldn't care either.
Does clueless + careless = clareless?

356 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:42:44am

re: #353 Chicago Blonde

you know all the sheiks were sitting around the hookah laughing their asses off.

357 saberry0530  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:43:45am

At least one paper is calling it like it is

LINK

358 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:43:58am

I can just picture it like they basement scenes on the 70's show

359 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:44:22am

re: #356 kawfytawk

you know all the sheiks were sitting around the hookah laughing their asses off.

Yep. And thanks to the MSM, so few citizens saw that little performance. They just heard about the iPod and Michelle's wardrobe.

360 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:44:22am

re: #358 kawfytawk

they = the....dang it

361 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:44:38am

Maybe she or he had a herpe. I wouldn't blame him or her if they refused to kiss someone with an active cold sore on their kisser.

362 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:44:50am

re: #349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles did a thread on this....was it a bow?

Seriously.

Watch the video and decide for yourself.
It looked like a bow to me, after the O appeared to sprint over to the Saudi in his enthusiasm.

OK, that last part may just be my "take" because I do not like Obama.
But the bow - it definitely was a bow.

363 JacksonTn  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:46:32am

re: #344 Chicago Blonde

Thanks.

Disgusting. I'm not thrilled with Bush greeting him with a kiss either, but as others noted, that's a greeting, not a freaking BOW.

Morning Lizards ... did somebody say Obama kissing ... here is an Obama kiss for ya ... (warning: if you have already had breakfast ... you may lose it) ...

Image: alg_hillary-obama-kiss.jpg

364 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:46:47am

re: #359 Chicago Blonde

Yep. And thanks to the MSM, so few citizens saw that little performance. They just heard about the iPod and Michelle's wardrobe.

did the MSM report the Ipod story?....I thought they were only going gaga over Michelles clothes....which btw...what the heck is so special about the clothes she is wearing....looks awful to me

365 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:47:16am

re: #362 reine.de.tout

Watch the video and decide for yourself.
It looked like a bow to me, after the O appeared to sprint over to the Saudi in his enthusiasm.

OK, that last part may just be my "take" because I do not like Obama.
But the bow - it definitely was a bow.


aren't people named "hussein" required to bow in the presence of islamic "greatness?"

/puke

366 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:47:58am

reine.de.tout

heard your cookbook is out...very cool...how can I get one?

367 Geepers  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:49:35am

Mich-again (#338),

Foster Brooks used to work that corner.

Hey Mich-again.

Foster Brooks was a master of that act.

Too bad Obama isn't acting.

368 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:49:50am

re: #363 JacksonTn

Morning Lizards ... did somebody say Obama kissing ... here is an Obama kiss for ya ... (warning: if you have already had breakfast ... you may lose it) ...

[Link: assets.nydailynews.com...]

Not only is Hillary straining to keep her lips off his face, but she is even straining to keep her hand off his shoulder.
Body language is a wonderful thing.

369 Rustler  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:50:32am

Morning all and later lol tryed getting on a few times last night but wind didn't agree with me.

370 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:51:36am

re: #369 Rustler

try Beano rustler

371 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:52:31am

re: #363 JacksonTn

re: #368 Spare O'Lake

I see a thought bubble: "OMG, how much Hai Karate is he WEARING?"

372 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:52:49am

re: #371 Chicago Blonde

LOL

373 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:52:49am

re: #369 Rustler

Hi Rustler!

374 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:54:12am

re: #368 Spare O'Lake

Not only is Hillary straining to keep her lips off his face, but she is even straining to keep her hand off his shoulder.
Body language is a wonderful thing.

The whole Hillary/Obama relationship is fascinating to me. I do not think she is nearly as wimpy as he is. And while I do believe she wants to support him because she thinks she may still be a viable POTUS candidate in 2016, I have a feeling she may not be able to handle 8 years as Sec of State in this administration. If she is still listening to any of Bubba's advice, he has to be telling her what an amateur her boss is.

375 kawfytawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:54:19am

well....I better get my day going....tons to do. Have a good day everybody

376 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:55:05am

re: #375 kawfytawk

well....I better get my day going....tons to do. Have a good day everybody

'Bye Kawfytawk, have a good one!

377 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:55:06am

jenny mccarthy on FOX right now

378 JacksonTn  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:57:45am

re: #377 _RememberTonyC

jenny mccarthy on FOX right now

her PR people must be working overtime ... she needs to spend some R&R at the Playboy Mansion ... and get off of the television ... not that I have watched one second of her ... but it has been talked about on lgf the past week or so ...

379 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:59:27am

re: #365 _RememberTonyC

aren't people named "hussein" required to bow in the presence of islamic "greatness?"

/puke

And not allowed to kiss women?
Maybe the affected asshole sensitive statesman didn't want to offend the Eurabians.

380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:59:40am

Folks, gotta 9 hour drive... don'tcha wish you were me?

She don't say nuthin'...
But baby makes her blue jeans talk!

381 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 5:59:43am

re: #378 JacksonTn

her PR people must be working overtime ... she needs to spend some R&R at the Playboy Mansion ... and get off of the television ... not that I have watched one second of her ... but it has been talked about on lgf the past week or so ...

she actually is very entertaining on TV ... as long as you hit the "mute" button when she speaks.

382 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:00:06am

re: #366 kawfytawk

reine.de.tout

heard your cookbook is out...very cool...how can I get one?

CLICK MY NIC!
Also, submit recipes for Vol 2, now in the works!

383 kansas  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:00:08am

Old War of the Worlds famous actor, Orson Wells, uses radio to hoodwink Americans.
New War of the Worlds famous actors, Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy, use TV to hoodwink Americans

384 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:00:11am

re: #374 _RememberTonyC

The whole Hillary/Obama relationship is fascinating to me. I do not think she is nearly as wimpy as he is. And while I do believe she wants to support him because she thinks she may still be a viable POTUS candidate in 2016, I have a feeling she may not be able to handle 8 years as Sec of State in this administration. If she is still listening to any of Bubba's advice, he has to be telling her what an amateur her boss is.

I think Hillary's angling for another run in 2012. She started out as SoS being very aggressive, actively promoting policies and positions that...well, that her boss just hadn't quite gotten around to formulating yet. She quickly took a different approach: she now espouses Administration positions, as half-baked and lame as they are, while clearly portraying herself as only the messenger.

It isn't exactly active sabotage. But she's a wiley b*tch. Using her position to undermine Obama is pretty much a given, and if he's in a deep enough hole come the midterms, look for her to fire up her campaign machinery again. If things aren't quite so bad, look for her to use her time as SoS to turn the State Department into the Second White House.

385 yesandno  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:00:11am

re: #352 _RememberTonyC

This may explain why he kisses the ass of a male sheik, but not the cheek of france's first hottie.

hmmmmmm

In the pictures of the event, yesterday, it was stated that is was SHE that put out her hand and reneged on the kiss....so who knows. But the bow....there is no question, he looks like he genuflected.....

386 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:00:47am

re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At least tell us you have GOOD tunes to listen to on the road. :)

*flushing her Dr. Hook earworm out with Led Zeppelin*

387 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:01:37am

re: #378 JacksonTn

her PR people must be working overtime ... she needs to spend some R&R at the Playboy Mansion ... and get off of the television ... not that I have watched one second of her ... but it has been talked about on lgf the past week or so ...

According to the UN, it's Autism Awareness Month. Get used to seeing her rack everywhere for the next few weeks.

388 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:01:51am

re: #374 _RememberTonyC

The whole Hillary/Obama relationship is fascinating to me. I do not think she is nearly as wimpy as he is. And while I do believe she wants to support him because she thinks she may still be a viable POTUS candidate in 2016, I have a feeling she may not be able to handle 8 years as Sec of State in this administration. If she is still listening to any of Bubba's advice, he has to be telling her what an amateur her boss is.

Her words may be saying that she supports him, but her body is saying "I detest you".

389 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:04:10am

Good morning, lizards.
A cool but sunny day along the Lake Michigan shoreline.... I've been up since 6am, took the dog down to the lighthouse for a walk and a nice visit with the other local pooches.

My little resort town is taking a deep breath before the RV's start rolling in, and the tourists show up. It's nice and quiet for the locals right now, but we all know that in a few weeks the annual madness of Spring/Summer will commence.

I talk to the merchants that run the local diners and quaint little shops here, they're hoping for at least a decent summer but nobody is expecting any miracles. Most are hoping to just break even.

390 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:04:31am

re: #384 SixDegrees

I think Hillary's angling for another run in 2012. She started out as SoS being very aggressive, actively promoting policies and positions that...well, that her boss just hadn't quite gotten around to formulating yet. She quickly took a different approach: she now espouses Administration positions, as half-baked and lame as they are, while clearly portraying herself as only the messenger.

It isn't exactly active sabotage. But she's a wiley b*tch. Using her position to undermine Obama is pretty much a given, and if he's in a deep enough hole come the midterms, look for her to fire up her campaign machinery again. If things aren't quite so bad, look for her to use her time as SoS to turn the State Department into the Second White House.

good point about using the midterms to take the temperature of the nation. but I just don't see her grabbing the nomination from obama. she is way too "PC" to risk racism charges by trying to run against Obama before it's her turn.

391 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:04:56am

BBIAB

392 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:05:34am

You have to go to the National Enquirer to find out about John Edwards.

393 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:06:35am

re: #388 Spare O'Lake

Her words may be saying that she supports him, but her body is saying "I detest you".


say what you want about hillary ... but she is anything but stupid.

she knows what is going on ...

394 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:07:12am

gotta run, Lizards. have a great day!

395 freetoken  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:07:12am

Are links to Archibishop Cranmer ok here? Because... he had a great line a few days ago:

If the BNP were a Christian party, they would drive Jesus to atheism.

396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:09:01am

re: #386 Chicago Blonde

At least tell us you have GOOD tunes to listen to on the road. :)

*flushing her Dr. Hook earworm out with Led Zeppelin*

*Singing along, top of his lungs.....*


Ple-ease Mrs. Avery, I just gotta talk to her
I'll only keep her a while
Please Mrs. Avery, I just wanna tell 'er goodbye
Sylvia's mother says "Sylvia's packin'"
"She's gonna be leavin' today"
Sylvia's mother says "Sylvia's marryin' "
"A fella down Galveston way"
Sylvia's mother says "Please don't say nothin'"
"To make her start cryin' and stay"
397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:09:48am

re: #386 Chicago Blonde

At least tell us you have GOOD tunes to listen to on the road. :)

*flushing her Dr. Hook earworm out with Led Zeppelin*

and...


"And Honey, I miss yooooou....
And I'm being gooooood..."
398 BignJames  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:11:00am

re: #397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Now you've gone too far.

399 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:11:37am

Obama's $163,000 Tax Bomb

Look for job loss numbers to sky rocket.

400 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:12:54am

Rove is politely filleting FCBBHO.

401 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:20:12am

Good morning.


The market has staged an significant come-back in the last 3 or 4 weeks, climbing back to what I figured all along was the true value of equity nowadays. Too bad it took the lunkheads at FASB this long to ameliorate their M2M mistake.

Now, Europe will stand back and wait for the US to take the lead in the economic recovery.

International managers pin hopes on U.S.
Without recovery in world's biggest economy, globe will struggle

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- International mutual-fund shareholders who have suffered substantial losses and are looking for a rebound should keep close eye on the U.S. That's because in the view of fund managers a solid global recovery will get under way only once the U.S. economy stops its decline.
The U.S. accounts for an estimated one-fifth of the global economy and is also the world's largest importer. Until it stabilizes, international managers say, investors shouldn't expect strong performance from other regions. World stock funds lost 9.7% in the first quarter, according to preliminary numbers from research firm Lipper Inc.
The expectation is that the U.S. will be leading the world out of this," said Virginie Maisonneuve, head of global and international equities at Schroder Investment Management Ltd, a unit of Schroders . "There are high expectations on the U.S. to fix things."

Rumor has it that Obama will issue an apology by noon to the world for the US economy having such status, and assurances that he is doing everything he can to destroy our economy as fast as he can.

402 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:21:54am

re: #397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*laughing, playing "No Quarter even louder*

403 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:23:57am

FCBBHO calling America "arrogant" was nothing but a classic case of projection.

404 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:24:29am

re: #403 MandyManners

Morning, Mandy.
And I agree.

405 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:25:21am

Good morning, Lizards.

406 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:25:49am

re: #399 FrogMarch

Obama's $163,000 Tax Bomb

Look for job loss numbers to sky rocket.

Not sure I agree with your conclusions, at least for the short term. Long term, things will certainly be dragged downward with this stone around their neck.

More importantly: Republicans, take note of this article and others like it. If there is anything at all the party can rally around over the next year or three, this is it. No one - no one - thinks numbers like this are sustainable. Every Republican in Congress ought to be wearing a t-shirt with a graph of projected deficits printed on it. In red ink. It tells a story that even the worst slackard can immediately understand.

Rather than dicking trying to establish a fundamentalist Baptist theocracy, the GOP needs to focus it's sights on responsible economic policy, and ought to be pounding it's collective fist on the table loudly, proclaiming that Obama's budget is not it.

A first step would be publishing a budget plan with actual numbers and projections of it's own. Something the GOP has failed miserably at to date. But there's still time.

Not much, though.

407 yesandno  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:26:54am

re: #401 3 wood

Good morning.

Rumor has it that Obama will issue an apology by noon to the world for the US economy having such status, and assurances that he is doing everything he can to destroy our economy as fast as he can.

Sad but true.............

408 rollingdivision  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:27:05am

Obama's foreign policy of neocongeniality is a failure, so far. Obama got nothing on any issue other than what he gave words, just words.

409 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:34:40am

What kind of freakin' idiot has ball practice for eight-year-old kids early on a Saturday morning?

If The Kid calls me "Mizz Grumpy" one more time, I'm gonna' box his ears.

410 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:34:41am

re: #401 3 wood

Good morning.

The market has staged an significant come-back in the last 3 or 4 weeks, climbing back to what I figured all along was the true value of equity nowadays. Too bad it took the lunkheads at FASB this long to ameliorate their M2M mistake.

Now, Europe will stand back and wait for the US to take the lead in the economic recovery.

International managers pin hopes on U.S.
Without recovery in world's biggest economy, globe will struggle

Rumor has it that Obama will issue an apology by noon to the world for the US economy having such status, and assurances that he is doing everything he can to destroy our economy as fast as he can.

The US may lead the world out of recession. But that progress will be slowed by European refusal to manage their own economies effectively; by EU mandates making deficit spending - and therefore, government stimulus - illegal; and by a banking system which has basically no regulation at all, where the equivalent of our "commercial" banks are as heavily leveraged as our own horrifically failed investment banks, or worse. Europe will be the stone around the world economy's neck for the next several years.

Despite European squealing over "protectionism" and hallucinations of trade wars, a grass-roots "Buy American" campaign wouldn't be a bad idea about now. We've globalized our own economy so much that it is nearly impossible to divorce oneself from imports, but even a small effort can have a significant effect. The Europeans, meanwhile, would like nothing better than to see vast gobs of our "stimulus" money flowing into their own pockets with no sacrifice on their parts in return.

Screw that.

411 ciaospirit  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:34:44am
France, Germany endorse Obama's Afghanistan plans

Positive spin headline for BHO. They don't actually plan to DO anything.

France and Germany fully endorsed President Barack Obama's new Afghan war strategy but continued to firmly resist U.S. demands for more combat troops on Saturday in a rift that overshadowed symbols of unity at NATO's 60th-anniversary summit.

Get a clue, BHO.

412 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:35:03am

re: #399 FrogMarch

Obama's $163,000 Tax Bomb

Look for job loss numbers to sky rocket.

re: #406 SixDegrees

Not sure I agree with your conclusions,

You didn't refute my statement, you just went on to bash the party that isn't in power. (which is fine by me)
So you think job loss numbers won't sky rocket?

413 gregg  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:39:00am

Here are some wonderful aerial photos of Africa:

[Link: www.georgesteinmetz.com...]

I'm posting them because I have the impression that Charles and many of you have an interest in photography.

414 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:39:34am

The other day, the Messiah "uh'ed" his way through a question at a G20 press conference that brought up Bretton Woods. During his answer, The Chosen one refered to Bretton Woods as something negotiated between Roosevlt and Chrichill sitting in a room with a brandy. You will see him say that within the first minute of so of the linked clip.

Well, Bretton Woods was actually a complicated negotiation between 44 countries towards the end of WWII, and Roosevelt and Churchill had very little involvement.

The MSM would have jumped all over Bush for this, but I've heard not a word about them now.

415 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:40:06am

re: #413 gregg

Here are some wonderful aerial photos of Africa:

[Link: www.georgesteinmetz.com...]

I'm posting them because I have the impression that Charles and many of you have an interest in photography.

I see Phoebe's cousin in the first one!

416 Salamantis  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:40:29am

Here's a laugher, but also a reminder that terrorist operatives in Afghabnistan and Pakistan keep tabs on US news:

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

Baitullah Mehsud actually has the chutzpah to claim that the Vietnamese dude who carried out the Binghamton, NY shooting rampage at the immigration center was acting on his orders...geez, what a maroon! Does he really think we're that frigging gullible?

417 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:42:14am

re: #414 3 wood

The other day, the Messiah "uh'ed" his way through a question at a G20 press conference that brought up Bretton Woods. During his answer, The Chosen one refered to Bretton Woods as something negotiated between Roosevlt and Chrichill sitting in a room with a brandy. You will see him say that within the first minute of so of the linked clip.

Well, Bretton Woods was actually a complicated negotiation between 44 countries towards the end of WWII, and Roosevelt and Churchill had very little involvement.

The MSM would have jumped all over Bush for this, but I've heard not a word about them now.

This trip is an unmitigated disaster.

418 DistantThunder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:42:43am
The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States. One of the most alarming, says a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, is that the finance industry has effectively captured our government—a state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets, and is at the center of many emerging-market crises. If the IMF’s staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation: recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression, we’re running out of time.

The Quiet Coup in The Atlantic

Steve Cordasco on 1210am here in Philly just spent the last 2 hours discussing this article. A MUST READ

419 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:42:51am

re: #412 FrogMarch

You didn't refute my statement, you just went on to bash the party that isn't in power. (which is fine by me)
So you think job loss numbers won't sky rocket?

My own feeling is that they won't, in the short terms. Deficit spending is actually an excellent tool for digging out of a recession, and there's not much doubt in my mind that the money being borrowed and spent in that effort will soon bear fruit and start turning the present downturn around.

Continuing deficits, however, with no end in sight, will inevitably create a drag on growth; the WSJ article itself comes to this conclusion. The unprecedented level of deficits as a percentage of GNP may, in fact, created so much drag that growth once again goes negative, leading to job losses. But it isn't entirely clear when that will happen, or if it even will; growth is extremely difficult to predict. I'd say it's a safe bet that, over time, large deficits will reduce the rate of job growth. But that's different from saying the reduction will be large enough to actually increase jobless rates.

But again: over the short term, I'm not seeing why this reality will have a negative impact on jobless numbers, nor why it should.

420 CapeCoddah  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:43:04am

Good morning everyone! Hey Mandy,, If you box the tykes ears... will that not lend credence to his "Miz Grumpy" thoery?

421 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:43:14am

re: #410 SixDegrees

But that progress will be slowed by European refusal to manage their own economies effectively; by EU mandates making deficit spending - and therefore, government stimulus - illegal; and by a banking system which has basically no regulation at all, where the equivalent of our "commercial" banks are as heavily leveraged as our own horrifically failed investment banks, or worse. Europe will be the stone around the world economy's neck for the next several years.

Part of their problem is, due to the way the EIU is set up, they can't control their money supply as easily as we can. Specifically, they can't contract the money supply in order to slow down inflation effectively. So once inflation gets going they are in big trouble.

So they stand back and wait for us to deal with the global economy for them.

422 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:43:22am

re: #399 FrogMarch

Obama's $163,000 Tax Bomb

Look for job loss numbers to sky rocket.

We know the top 1% or 5% of income-taxpayers pay vastly disproportionate shares of taxes, and much larger shares than their shares of income. But it also turns out that Mr. Obama's massive additional debt implies a tax hike, if paid today, of well over $100,000 for people with incomes of $150,000, far below Mr. Obama's tax-hike cut-off of $250,000 (over $130,000 in ten years and over $16,000 a year if paid annually over the following ten years). In other words, a middle-aged two-career couple in New York or California could get a future tax bill as big as their mortgage.

great.

423 Macker  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:43:27am

Good Morning LIzards! Well it's off to work for me; I work a short six-hour shift, they then adjust my schedule during the rest of the week, so I have Thursdays off.
No Rest For the Wicked, I guess...will be back on later!

424 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:44:21am

Have a good morning, Lizards!

425 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:45:02am

re: #417 MandyManners

This trip is an unmitigated disaster.

They basically told The Messiah to go pound sand. But some loved his apologizing for the existence of the US.

426 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:45:51am

re: #413 gregg

Here are some wonderful aerial photos of Africa:

[Link: www.georgesteinmetz.com...]

I'm posting them because I have the impression that Charles and many of you have an interest in photography.

Sweet, indeed.

Note how many of these are taken very early in the morning, right after sunrise. That low light really accentuates subtle shapes and textures.

427 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:45:57am

re: #417 MandyManners

This trip is an unmitigated disaster.

At the very least, an embarrassment.

428 DistantThunder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:46:37am

re: #419 SixDegrees

My own feeling is that they won't, in the short terms. Deficit spending is actually an excellent tool for digging out of a recession, and there's not much doubt in my mind that the money being borrowed and spent in that effort will soon bear fruit and start turning the present downturn around.

Continuing deficits, however, with no end in sight, will inevitably create a drag on growth; the WSJ article itself comes to this conclusion. The unprecedented level of deficits as a percentage of GNP may, in fact, created so much drag that growth once again goes negative, leading to job losses. But it isn't entirely clear when that will happen, or if it even will; growth is extremely difficult to predict. I'd say it's a safe bet that, over time, large deficits will reduce the rate of job growth. But that's different from saying the reduction will be large enough to actually increase jobless rates.

But again: over the short term, I'm not seeing why this reality will have a negative impact on jobless numbers, nor why it should.

The problem is that the OBM said that the spending does matter and will kill jobs, and it would be better to do nothing regarding borrowing for a stimulus.
Also people are investing in the treasury bonds, buying the new debt, and instead that money could be going to private business for investment. The money is being diverted.

429 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:47:08am

re: #421 3 wood

Part of their problem is, due to the way the EIU is set up, they can't control their money supply as easily as we can. Specifically, they can't contract the money supply in order to slow down inflation effectively. So once inflation gets going they are in big trouble.

So they stand back and wait for us to deal with the global economy for them.

That's correct.

The words "blood sucking leeches" leap to mind.

430 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:47:09am

re: #420 CapeCoddah

*whack*

431 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:47:39am

re: #419 SixDegrees

The current job numbers speak differently, and I doubt those jobs are going to come back anytime soon. Impending tax increases will only make the situation worse. The dept spending may help, but I do not share your optimism.

432 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:47:48am

Later, taters.

433 gregg  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:48:40am

re: #414 3 wood

John Crace of the Guardian decodes Obama's answer to a question:

Nick Robinson: "A question for you both, if I may. The prime minister has repeatedly blamed the United States of America for causing this crisis. France and Germany both blame Britain and America for causing this crisis. Who is right? And isn't the debate about that at the heart of the debate about what to do now?"

Brown immediately swivels to leave Obama in pole position. There is a four-second delay before Obama starts speaking [THANKS FOR NOTHING, GORDY BABY. REMIND ME TO HANG YOU OUT TO DRY ONE DAY.] Barack Obama: "I, I, would say that, er ... pause [I HAVEN'T A CLUE] ... if you look at ... pause [WHO IS THIS NICK ROBINSON JERK?] ... the, the sources of this crisis ... pause [JUST KEEP GOING, BUDDY] ... the United States certainly has some accounting to do with respect to . . . pause [I'M IN WAY TOO DEEP HERE] ... a regulatory system that was inadequate to the massive changes that have taken place in the global financial system ... pause, close eyes [THIS IS GOING TO GO DOWN LIKE A CROCK OF SHIT BACK HOME. HELP]. I think what is also true is that ... pause [I WANT NICK ROBINSON TO DISAPPEAR] ... here in Great Britain ... pause [SHIT, GORDY'S THE HOST, DON'T LAND HIM IN IT] ... here in continental Europe ... pause [DAMN IT, BLAME EVERYONE.] ... around the world. We were seeing the same mismatch between the regulatory regimes that were in place and er ... pause [I'VE LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT AGAIN] ... the highly integrated, er, global capital markets that have emerged ... pause [I'M REALLY WINGING IT NOW]. So at this point, I'm less interested in ... pause [YOU] ... identifying blame than fixing the problem. I think we've taken some very aggressive steps in the United States to do so, not just responding to the immediate crisis, ensuring banks are adequately capitalised, er, dealing with the enormous,

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

434 CapeCoddah  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:48:40am

re: #430 MandyManners

*whack*

Ouch. You have a bright boy, there.

435 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:49:00am

And much as I hate it, I have to go too. Goodbye all, have a scaly Saturday, be back later if I can.

436 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:51:43am

re: #433 gregg

The intro is priceless.

Barack Obama, the World's Greatest Orator (all news organisations), didn't exactly cover himself in glory when the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson asked him a question about who was to blame for the financial crisis. Normally word perfect, Obama ummed, ahed and waffled for the best part of two and a half minutes. Here, John Crace decodes what he was really thinking ...
437 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:52:13am

re: #428 DistantThunder

The problem is that the OBM said that the spending does matter and will kill jobs, and it would be better to do nothing regarding borrowing for a stimulus.
Also people are investing in the treasury bonds, buying the new debt, and instead that money could be going to private business for investment. The money is being diverted.

I completely agree that this level of deficit spending, over such a long period of time, is bad in every way. If government spending is growing faster than GNP, there is an inevitable, unpleasant reality that will have to be faced when those two curves intersect, if not long before.

I don't see it causing a spike i jobless rates over the short term, however. Even over the long term, it may simply suppress job growth to a lower level than it would otherwise attain, rather than make it go negative.

438 ciaospirit  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:52:23am

re: #399 FrogMarch

Obama's $163,000 Tax Bomb

Look for job loss numbers to sky rocket.

From you link:'

But what is not just worrisome but dangerous are the growing trillion dollar deficits in the latter years of the Obama budget. These deficits are so large for a prosperous nation in peacetime -- three times safe levels -- that they would cause the debt burden to soar toward banana republic levels. That's a recipe for a permanent drag on growth and serious pressure on the Federal Reserve to inflate, not the new era of rising prosperity that Mr. Obama and his advisers foresee.

439 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:53:01am

re: #401 3 wood

The market has staged an significant come-back in the last 3 or 4 weeks, climbing back to what I figured all along was the true value of equity nowadays. Too bad it took the lunkheads at FASB this long to ameliorate their M2M mistake.

Do you mean they've modified the mark to market rules? In what way?

440 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:54:18am

re: #433 gregg

Everyone if finally realizing that without his Teleprompter, the Messiah is a dud.

441 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:54:32am

re: #418 DistantThunder

The Quiet Coup in The Atlantic

Steve Cordasco on 1210am here in Philly just spent the last 2 hours discussing this article. A MUST READ

Thanks; just added that to my reading list for later.

442 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:55:27am

re: #431 FrogMarch

The current job numbers speak differently, and I doubt those jobs are going to come back anytime soon. Impending tax increases will only make the situation worse. The dept spending may help, but I do not share your optimism.

Current job losses have leveled off; following a steep increase in early January, they're shown little change. There may be another round of cuts to come, but it will be based on first-quarter financial statements, not on fiscal policy. Employment is always a lagging indicator.

443 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:55:38am

re: #440 FrogMarch

Everyone is finally realizing that without with or without his Teleprompter, the Messiah is a dud.

FTFY

444 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:55:54am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Thought you'd like this particularly odd Beeb headline:
'Deadly air strike' in Pakistan

Seeing that 13 people have been reported to be dead - one wodners what goes trhough an editor's mind.

Ah well, perhaps he'd just been switched from reporting about those little niggling hamasthug rockets, who are certainly not 'deadly' ...
///

445 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:57:36am

re: #439 lurking faith

Do you mean they've modified the mark to market rules? In what way?

This was the big business news item last week. It sort of got buried under the G20 coverage, but the rules were significantly relaxed (Monday? Not sure). Bank stocks benefited significantly.

Not sure enough of the details to discuss them.

446 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:58:21am

re: #439 lurking faith

Do you mean they've modified the mark to market rules? In what way?

They changed the definition of "orderly transaction" to exclude distressed or forced liquidations.

Also, if you likely intend to hold the security to maturity, you do not have to M2M.

447 gregg  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:59:10am

re: #418 DistantThunder

I wonder how this will go down with Obama's partisans:

The Obama administration is engineering its new bailout initiatives in a way that it believes will allow firms benefiting from the programs to avoid restrictions imposed by Congress, including limits on lavish executive pay, according to government officials.


[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

448 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 6:59:37am

re: #438 ciaospirit

But what is not just worrisome but dangerous are the growing trillion dollar deficits in the latter years of the Obama budget. These deficits are so large for a prosperous nation in peacetime -- three times safe levels -- that they would cause the debt burden to soar toward banana republic levels. That's a recipe for a permanent drag on growth and serious pressure on the Federal Reserve to inflate, not the new era of rising prosperity that Mr. Obama and his advisers foresee.

Worrisome, to be sure.
hey - That's ok. The evil "rich", who already are forced to pay a disproportionate amount of tax, will just have to cough up more to cover Obama's tab. Obama promises growth on top of all of this. That growth will. not. happen.

449 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:01:22am

M2M
Accounting Rule Makers Soften Mark-to-Market's Bite

Accounting rule makers approved altering controversial mark-to-market accounting guidelines on Thursday to give companies more flexibility when they value assets.

The Financial Accounting Standards Board said it will give companies greater latitude to determine the “fair value” of assets. Mark-to-market had been widely criticized in recent months by the financial-services industry and some market observers who said it contributed to the financial and credit meltdown last fall.

FASB spokesman Neal McGarity maintained that the board had been “responsive” to concerns, and said “our decisions rarely please everyone, but we believe we have helped market participants… with these actions.”

FASB will now let companies use “significant judgment” to value assets when those assets are trading in inactive markets under distressed circumstances.

Also, the standards have been relaxed by which companies have to take impairment charges when they take losses on their investments, particularly in cases where they plan to hold those assets to maturity or where they don’t have to sell them quickly.

Companies will now have to disclose assets valued at fair value quarterly, rather than on the current annual basis.

450 CapeCoddah  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:03:42am

re: #440 FrogMarch

Everyone if finally realizing that without his Teleprompter, the Messiah is a dud.

Without a telepropmpter, what he intends is clear. The destruction of the USA as a superpower in every way he can manage. He is backing up his words with action.
This is exactly the type of "leader" our Founding Fathers feared, and tried so hard to protect us from. I don't think this country can endure four years of his policy, even two, assuming the dems are hamstrung in the midterms. The lasting repercussions of everything that has already been done will be overwhelming.

451 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:04:09am

re: #442 SixDegrees

Current job losses have leveled off; following a steep increase in early January, they're shown little change. There may be another round of cuts to come, but it will be based on first-quarter financial statements, not on fiscal policy. Employment is always a lagging indicator.

Most people are cutting back their discretionary spending, anywhere from a little bit to drastically. I will be very surprised if we don't see a ripple effect of further job losses.

Besides which, I am currently on the job market, and I have never seen the like. Not even close. Not many openings, and if you aren't absolutely perfect for them the employer won't consider training you on the one little thing you haven't done before. Job fairs are so crowded you can hardly even squeeze through to get to the booths you want to line up to talk to. And I am near DC, which is as close to recession-proof as a region can get.

If this keeps up, I may go back to school and get a fresh credential.

452 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:04:11am

re: #449 3 wood

M2M
Accounting Rule Makers Soften Mark-to-Market's Bite

Changing M2M sounds good, but letting companies use "significant judgement?
That part doesn't sound so good.

Morning Honcos!

453 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:05:02am

re: #449 3 wood

So what do you think the outcome will be? Good? Bad?
Ugly?

454 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:06:10am

I believe this falls into the "Transparency, My Ass" category:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Shoot the messenger.

455 rollingdivision  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:06:14am

re: #447 gregg

Obama's lovers will not be affected. It is almost impossible to see faults when you are blinded by a love for Obama as deep as your hatred of Bush.

456 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:06:37am

Shit!

3 police officers shot in Pittsburgh

(CNN) -- Three police officers were shot in Pittsburgh on Saturday, as they responded to a domestic call, Allegheny County police said.

A gunman is apparently holed up inside a home in the Stanton Heights neighborhood of the western Pennsylvania city.

The conditions of the officers were not known.

Prayers for the Officers.

457 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:06:38am

re: #443 lurking faith

FTFY

Not to be contrary, but Obama does pretty well when he's on Teleprompter.
David Letterman says so.

;-)

458 CapeCoddah  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:07:23am

re: #456 jcm

Shit!

3 police officers shot in Pittsburgh

Prayers for the Officers.

Not again! What the hell is wrong with people? I hope those officers are OK.

459 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:07:26am

re: #445 SixDegrees

re: #446 3 wood

Thank you. I had missed that news. Too bad they didn't do that in the first place; it would have helped a lot. (I might even still have a job...)

460 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:07:44am

Well - we Brits know how Gord works with figures! He is the master of double and triple accounting.
Here are some quotes from a pretty good analysis:

'The claims by Gordon Brown that we have now reached some kind of turning point, while accepted by some commentators who really ought to know better, is simply laughable. ...
The biggest falsehood concerns the belief that the G20 nations have pioneered a $5trillion spending boost to global economies.

Although Gordon Brown and President Obama had originally hoped to get world leaders to agree to such a 'fiscal stimulus', they actually failed to secure a single penny of extra government spending anywhere in the world.
Rather than admit defeat, however, they pretended they had won. So they invented the $5trillion figure. They arrived at the number by adding up the extra government borrowing expected to take place in G20 economies between 2008 (when the recession began) and 2010 (when world leaders hope it will end). It is a completely arbitrary figure.
The next fabrication concerns the claim that G20 leaders agreed a 'programme of support to restore credit, growth and jobs in the world economy' - worth some $1.1trillion. It was this headline-grabbing figure which caught everyone's imagination - yet sadly, it too is mainly a bogus number because much of the money had already been pledged in recent months.
Almost half of that $1.1trillion - some $500billion - takes the form of extra money for the International Monetary Fund to bail out countries that run into trouble during the economic downturn.
Although Gordon Brown brazenly asserted that this was new money, this is simply not true. Japan, for example, gave $100billion to the IMF last November, while the EU offered the same sum earlier this year.
Admittedly, China did agree an extra $40billion last week. However, this contribution is very much less than Gordon Brown had hoped - and, most worryingly, indications emerged after the summit closed late on Thursday that the Chinese were having second thoughts. ...'

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Anybody actually thought this was not gong to be lies, smoke-and-mirrors and damned statistics?

461 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:08:56am

re: #452 jcm

Changing M2M sounds good, but letting companies use "significant judgement?
That part doesn't sound so good.

Morning Honcos!

I agree. At least the old rules were the same for everyone, and the market could take that into account. The new "interpretation" seems far too slippery, and seems like it will vary from one company to another.

It addresses a short-term problem, but I'm concerned over it's long-term effects.

462 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:10:23am

re: #444 yma o hyd

They have diagnosed my friend's son as having a Glioma...think Seve Ballesteros, Ted Kennedy...
the question of what grade it is will be answered when all the test results are in. They're thinking grade 2 or 3.

463 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:10:37am

re: #456 jcm

Shit!

3 police officers shot in Pittsburgh

Prayers for the Officers.

Prayers indeed!

What on earth is going on?
Spring Madness?

If I were truly cynical, I'd look for any connections between yesterday's and today's mass murderers and ACORN ...

464 Hengineer  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:11:16am

Reminds me of Heinlein's book containing short stories from Mars.

How Chicken Pox destroyed the martians

465 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:12:28am

re: #451 lurking faith

Most people are cutting back their discretionary spending, anywhere from a little bit to drastically. I will be very surprised if we don't see a ripple effect of further job losses.

Besides which, I am currently on the job market, and I have never seen the like. Not even close. Not many openings, and if you aren't absolutely perfect for them the employer won't consider training you on the one little thing you haven't done before. Job fairs are so crowded you can hardly even squeeze through to get to the booths you want to line up to talk to. And I am near DC, which is as close to recession-proof as a region can get.

If this keeps up, I may go back to school and get a fresh credential.

I believe job losses will continue for some time. But that's an entirely different metric than a spike in the jobless rate. Job losses, as already noted, have flattened out considerably after a large spike in January. They are still large, but they are steady. They've actually turned downward in the last couple of months, but the change is marginal.

466 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:12:58am

re: #461 SixDegrees

I agree. At least the old rules were the same for everyone, and the market could take that into account. The new "interpretation" seems far too slippery, and seems like it will vary from one company to another.

It addresses a short-term problem, but I'm concerned over it's long-term effects.

I don't get to use "signifiant judgement" when I declare the value of my assets. Or for tax purposes my home is worth $15,000, for equity it's worth $500,000. I have to get a evaluation done by a 3rd party.

467 Hengineer  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:13:33am

re: #464 Hengineer

Reminds me of Heinlein's book containing short stories from Mars.

How Chicken Pox destroyed the martians

I think it was Heinlein...I'm trying to look it up.

468 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:13:37am

Morning, all!

People continue to go 'off their rocker' - it's like everyone's stressed to the max and anything could be the trigger that sets them off:

Brendan Pemberton, 42, of Tyngsborough, had just learned he owed $165 for a 20-year-old speeding ticket that resulted in his license getting suspended. So he took out his frustrations on a towering statue of Moses in Worcester District Court on Thursday, police said, knocking the 148-year-old sculpture off its pedestal and sending it crashing to the floor.
The statue had recently undergone $20,000 in renovations, according to court officials, in preparation for its new home in the city's new $180 million justice center downtown. For decades, the Moses statue, a replica of the Michelangelo sculpture that sits in a Roman basilica, was a fixture in the city's old Main Street courthouse, where it sat in an unobtrusive alcove in the courthouse lobby. In dire need of a cleaning and overall restoration, the Worcester Law Library paid to have the work done and had it reinstalled in the new courthouse just a few weeks ago.
Mary Carpenter, the office manager at the clerk's office, said yesterday that the ticket was from a speeding infraction in 1989, when Pemberton had been ticketed for driving at 75 miles per hour on the Mass Pike at a time when the speed limit was 55 miles per hour. Power said the clerk told Pemberton he would need to resolve the ticket at the Registry of Motor Vehicles.
Pemberton did not take this news well.
He was charged with malicious destruction of property, disturbing the peace, and being a disorderly person. At his arraignment yesterday, a judge ordered Pemberton held on $10,000 bail and sent to Worcester State Hospital for a competency evaluation. He could not be reached yesterday.


Icon toppled in apparent fit of rage

469 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:14:00am

re: #457 FrogMarch

Not to be contrary, but Obama does pretty well when he's on Teleprompter.
David Letterman says so.

;-)

David Letterman, political guru.

*struggles*

Nope; couldn't say that with a straight face.

470 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:14:25am

re: #462 J.D.

They have diagnosed my friend's son as having a Glioma...think Seve Ballesteros, Ted Kennedy...
the question of what grade it is will be answered when all the test results are in. They're thinking grade 2 or 3.

Oh, that takes some facing up to!

Prayers for him, your best friend and for you - and the hope that he'll be getting just such treatment as those two were getting.
I am certain he has the courage to face up to that enormous challenge, as does your friend and you yourself!

{J.D.}

471 Hengineer  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:14:38am

re: #467 Hengineer

I think it was Heinlein...I'm trying to look it up.

Gah I'm an idiot.

Ray Bradbury's "Martian Chronicles"

Chicken pox destroyed the Martians.

472 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:16:20am

re: #463 yma o hyd

Prayers indeed!

What on earth is going on?
Spring Madness?

If I were truly cynical, I'd look for any connections between yesterday's and today's mass murderers and ACORN ...

I've haven't found anything, but the sound like a "immigration" rights group.

My worry is we've had an uptick in shootings, which will bring the gun grabbers out.

473 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:17:51am

re: #470 yma o hyd

{yma o hyd}

Not good news at all.

474 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:17:54am

Can you imagine this article being published in any arab/muslim newspaper in the world?

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

475 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:19:06am

Good morning Lizard Nation.
BHO will be on TV in about a half hour from Europe with one more press conference.
I don't remember any other President exhibiting this behavior. He seems to do everything to avoid actual work,but thinks of ways to bask in adulation.

476 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:19:11am

re: #471 Hengineer

Gah I'm an idiot.

Ray Bradbury's "Martian Chronicles"

Chicken pox destroyed the Martians.

Edgar Rice Burroughs had the Barsoom series.

477 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:19:28am

re: #472 jcm

I've haven't found anything, but the sound like a "immigration" rights group.

My worry is we've had an uptick in shootings, which will bring the gun grabbers out.

Exactly - thats why I'm pondering if some group or other has egged these men on.
Sounds like a conspiracy kook, I know, but when the gun laws are going to be 'revised', these thigns will make it lokk 'necessary'.

Perhaps its nothing more than some news subeditors being given a little something, under the table, to emphasise how dangerous guns are ...

478 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:19:51am

re: #459 lurking faith

Thank you. I had missed that news. Too bad they didn't do that in the first place; it would have helped a lot. (I might even still have a job...)

You are on target there, and sorry for your job loss.

This is one reason why I was saying last fall when all this started that we needed to drop M2M, install the uptick rule and enforce the prohibition against short selling. It was just a matter of how much damage (and unemployment) did we want to suffer before we made the policy moves.

M2M is something that sounds real good on a chalk board to a bunch of stuffed shirts in an office who have never actually managed a portfolio of assets and dealt with the realities of the market. M2M assumes that there is a liquid and rational market at all times, and that is not true. It also assumes that you will divest yourself of all your assets on a moments notice at any time, and that is also far from true.

Now at least, the banks can start valuing their assets and figure out how much capital they actually have to loan out with. The goof balls at FASB did not realize nor care about the implications of that when they cam up with M2M. Cause they have never actually worked real jobs managing those assets.

479 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:20:16am

re: #462 J.D.

They have diagnosed my friend's son as having a Glioma...think Seve Ballesteros, Ted Kennedy...
the question of what grade it is will be answered when all the test results are in. They're thinking grade 2 or 3.

{J.D. & Friends}
Many prayers, many healing and strength.

480 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:20:42am

re: #468 Killer Tomato

Morning, all!

People continue to go 'off their rocker' - it's like everyone's stressed to the max and anything could be the trigger that sets them off:


Icon toppled in apparent fit of rage

I grew up in massachusetts and we had some crazy drivers, but this takes the cake. What a "MassHole."

481 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:20:48am

Mister President, it looks like we are now at war with Pakistan:
Pakistani Taliban claims New York state shooting that killed at least 13

Last update - 10:00 04/04/2009
Pakistani Taliban militant leader Baituallah Mehsud claimed on Saturday responsibility for an attack on a U.S. immigration centre in New York state in which 13 people were killed.

"I accept responsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to U.S. drone attacks," Mehsud told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location.

A man armed with two handguns killed 13 people at an immigration services centre before apparently turning the gun on himself, authorities in Binghamton, New York, said.
[snip]

Causus Belli

482 Geepers  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:21:29am

FrogMarch (#431),

The current job numbers speak differently, and I doubt those jobs are going to come back anytime soon. Impending tax increases will only make the situation worse. The dept spending may help, but I do not share your optimism.

Doncha just love the complaints that spending money we didn't have on things we couldn't afford is exactly the administrations plans for our savior?

483 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:21:42am

re: #452 jcm

Changing M2M sounds good, but letting companies use "significant judgement?
That part doesn't sound so good.

Morning Honcos!

That depends on what they mean by "significant judgment." I hope that they will be required to show some basis for their judgment. Underlying assets, sales and earnings projections, etc.

Just for example, in the mortgage industry, even though nobody wants to buy loan bundles right now, making them virtually valueless on the market, there is underlying value, except in the unlikely case that ALL of the loans in a given bundle are defaulted on. And even then, there is the underlying real estate, which will eventually be saleable.

484 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:23:03am

re: #479 jcm

Thanks {jcm}.

485 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:23:12am

re: #483 lurking faith

That depends on what they mean by "significant judgment." I hope that they will be required to show some basis for their judgment. Underlying assets, sales and earnings projections, etc.

Just for example, in the mortgage industry, even though nobody wants to buy loan bundles right now, making them virtually valueless on the market, there is underlying value, except in the unlikely case that ALL of the loans in a given bundle are defaulted on. And even then, there is the underlying real estate, which will eventually be saleable.

I hope so too, right now I'm not inclined to trust either the financial industries or the governments judgement.

486 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:23:31am

re: #473 J.D.

{yma o hyd}

Not good news at all.

No - not good, and saying that the news could have been worse doesn't really help.

Only one thing left: to face up to it, with courage and prayer.
That is all we can do, and all we can ask of anybody.

But - the strength and the courage will be given, when asked for in prayer - that I do know.

487 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:23:48am

re: #464 Hengineer

Reminds me of Heinlein's book containing short stories from Mars.

How Chicken Pox destroyed the martians

I think you mean Ray Bradbury's Martian Chronicles.

488 Hengineer  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:24:18am

re: #487 lurking faith

I think you mean Ray Bradbury's Martian Chronicles.

I know, I corrected myself if you followed my own comments =-)

489 gregg  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:24:36am

re: #465 SixDegrees

I believe job losses will continue for some time. But that's an entirely different metric than a spike in the jobless rate. Job losses, as already noted, have flattened out considerably after a large spike in January. They are still large, but they are steady. They've actually turned downward in the last couple of months, but the change is marginal.

I would be a bit cautious on jobless numbers being given to us by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). The January 2009 number was initially 598,000. The January figure was revised to 655,000 last month and yesterday it was revised again to 741,000. So is the March UE figure really 633,000 that came out yesterday, or based on past revisions, closer to 775,000?

It's my recommendation that the "BLS" drop the "L".

490 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:25:07am

re: #462 J.D.

They have diagnosed my friend's son as having a Glioma...think Seve Ballesteros, Ted Kennedy...
the question of what grade it is will be answered when all the test results are in. They're thinking grade 2 or 3.


prayers to your friend, his son, and their family

491 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:25:39am

re: #451 lurking faith

Besides which, I am currently on the job market, and I have never seen the like. Not even close. Not many openings, and if you aren't absolutely perfect for them the employer won't consider training you on the one little thing you haven't done before. Job fairs are so crowded you can hardly even squeeze through to get to the booths you want to line up to talk to. And I am near DC, which is as close to recession-proof as a region can get.

If this keeps up, I may go back to school and get a fresh credential.

Part of the problem is Obama, Pelosi and Reid hollered "catastrophe" for months for political reasons to panic people and get political support for the communistic plans, and those employers reacted quickly with job cuts and will not hire back until they have absolutely no other option.

I am so glad now that I took an early retirement buy out and got out of my former field while I had the chance. I talk to former associates now and they are going to work every day scared to death, just waiting to get "the call" from HR.

492 Hengineer  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:25:42am

re: #489 gregg

I would be a bit cautious on jobless numbers being given to us by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). The January 2009 number was initially 598,000. The January figure was revised to 655,000 last month and yesterday it was revised again to 741,000. So is the March UE figure really 633,000 that came out yesterday, or based on past revisions, closer to 775,000?

It's my recommendation that the "BLS" drop the "L".

Or is it a Government Bureaucrat trying to get more money allotted to his little "empire"?

493 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:27:22am

re: #462 J.D.

Prayers going out....

494 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:27:39am

re: #481 abolitionist

Mister President, it looks like we are now at war with Pakistan:
Pakistani Taliban claims New York state shooting that killed at least 13

Causus Belli

Well - if what he claims is indeed true, I bet he now wishes he'd kept his big mouth shut:
'Deadly air strike' in Pakistan

From that link:
'A suspected US missile strike in north-west Pakistan, the second drone attack in four days, has killed 13 people.'

495 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:28:46am
496 Hengineer  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:28:59am

re: #494 yma o hyd

Well - if what he claims is indeed true, I bet he now wishes he'd kept his big mouth shut:
'Deadly air strike' in Pakistan

From that link:
'A suspected US missile strike in north-west Pakistan, the second drone attack in four days, has killed 13 people.'

Is it cheaper than Clinton's "One million a shot" Tomahawk strikes against Iraq?

497 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:29:14am

re: #481 abolitionist
pimf: Causus Casus Belli
I couldn't find not unclenching in the article. Self-defense was mentioned, however.

498 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:29:44am

re: #486 yma o hyd

I know you are right.

My friend brought her mother home and took care of her for about 6 months (15 years ago) while she died of brain cancer. Not long after that, her father died of esophageal cancer. She said the only thing that got her through all that was thinking everything happens for a reason. She hasn't figured out how to wrap her head around this yet, though. I don't know how I would.

499 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:31:05am
500 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:31:17am

re: #461 SixDegrees

I agree. At least the old rules were the same for everyone, and the market could take that into account. The new "interpretation" seems far too slippery, and seems like it will vary from one company to another.

It addresses a short-term problem, but I'm concerned over it's long-term effects.

Ah, the same for everybody.

I'm reminded of the movie My Fair Lady, where Henry Higgins justifies his terrible manners to Eliza by pointing out that he treats everyone just as badly.

You certainly have a point about the potential for abuse, but under the old rules, what the market had was no information about the future value of the underlying assets. So the potential buyer had to make a wild guess at the value, based on zero information.

501 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:31:42am

re: #490 _RememberTonyC

Thank you.

re: #493 3 wood

and you.

502 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:31:46am

re: #499 taxfreekiller

ya, but
this data set
ya, but
that other data set
ya, but
that was reviewed by another mo-better liar with more PHD's on staff

My data set beat up your data set!

503 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:31:56am

re: #481 abolitionist

Mister President, it looks like we are now at war with Pakistan:
Pakistani Taliban claims New York state shooting that killed at least 13


Causus Belli


Not likely a Taliban operation. The shooter was a Vietnamese refugee, who lived with his parents. He lost a high tech job & snapped.
There are no Mosques in Viet Nam.

504 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:32:03am

re: #488 Hengineer

I know, I corrected myself if you followed my own comments =-)

I saw; I'm a little behind. Distracted, as usual. :)

505 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:32:09am

re: #496 Hengineer

Is it cheaper than Clinton's "One million a shot" Tomahawk strikes against Iraq?

Putting my old cynical hat on again - in today's economic climate, this is another good use of the stimulus package ...!
Oh - and isn't it also a well-known capitalist rule that things get cheaper the more you produce of them?

;-)

(Sometimes I scare meself, I do!)

506 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:32:34am
507 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:32:36am

re: #482 Geepers

Hey Geepers.
How ya doin'?

508 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:32:48am

re: #483 lurking faith

That depends on what they mean by "significant judgment." I hope that they will be required to show some basis for their judgment. Underlying assets, sales and earnings projections, etc.

Just for example, in the mortgage industry, even though nobody wants to buy loan bundles right now, making them virtually valueless on the market, there is underlying value, except in the unlikely case that ALL of the loans in a given bundle are defaulted on. And even then, there is the underlying real estate, which will eventually be saleable.

They have to detail their valuation methodology and they have to provide that quarterly, as opposed to the previous annual reporting requirement.

We used discounted cash flows for 65 years quite well. M2M was an overreaction to the Enron and several other scandals, which were greatly aided and abetted by compliant auditors. Regulatory changes to the auditing function have made great progress in eliminating a lot of that risk.

The underlying fault of M2M is it presumes a constant liquid market, for all assets being valued, with is a fiction.

509 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:34:08am

More trouble for NBC:

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

If the NBC station in Boston refuses to air Jay Leno's new primetime show, the loss of viewers in such a large market virtually assures that the ratings will be a failure. And while I certainly prefer Leno to that pusbag david letterman, this body blow could not happen to a more deserving network. jeff zucker and jeff immelt can drop dead!

510 phoenixgirl  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:34:15am

must he speak everyday?

511 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:34:16am

re: #494 yma o hyd

From my link, I gave them orders in reaction to U.S. drone attacks," Mehsud told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location.

Hmm, 13 and 13. Tit for tat.?

512 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:34:38am

re: #498 J.D.

I know you are right.

My friend brought her mother home and took care of her for about 6 months (15 years ago) while she died of brain cancer. Not long after that, her father died of esophageal cancer. She said the only thing that got her through all that was thinking everything happens for a reason. She hasn't figured out how to wrap her head around this yet, though. I don't know how I would.

{JD}
May I add your friend's son to the Lizard Prayer List?

I too believe that everything happens for a reason, even if we don't know what it is. We don't have to know for that to be true.

513 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:34:43am

re: #482 Geepers

Doncha just love the complaints that spending money we didn't have on things we couldn't afford is exactly the administrations plans for our savior?

Geepers! Long time no talk. How you doing, pal?

514 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:34:58am
515 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:35:28am
516 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:36:00am

re: #501 J.D.

Thank you.

re: #493 3 wood

and you.


you're welcome

517 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:36:28am

re: #510 phoenixgirl

must he speak everyday?

Yes, he insists on getting attention. This is narcissism.

518 Hengineer  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:36:44am

re: #505 yma o hyd

Putting my old cynical hat on again - in today's economic climate, this is another good use of the stimulus package ...!
Oh - and isn't it also a well-known capitalist rule that things get cheaper the more you produce of them?

;-)

(Sometimes I scare meself, I do!)

Hey, spending money to defense contractors produces jobs, right?

;-)

Not ALL the Repub talking points are evil =-P

519 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:36:53am

re: #512 {goddessoftheclassroom}
Please do add him. And thank you.

520 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:37:20am
521 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:37:48am

re: #498 J.D.

I know you are right.

My friend brought her mother home and took care of her for about 6 months (15 years ago) while she died of brain cancer. Not long after that, her father died of esophageal cancer. She said the only thing that got her through all that was thinking everything happens for a reason. She hasn't figured out how to wrap her head around this yet, though. I don't know how I would.

Its hard to find a reason for these things, very hard.
While one looks after and cares for parents or family members who are dying of cancer, there is not much time to think about why it happens, just getting through the day without becoming a burden to them is all one can do.
When my husband was dying of cancer of the oesophagus, we enver thought about reasons, it was about accepting and getting through the acceptance, taking whatever was coming.
Without faith and prayers - I don't know how either of us would have been able to function.

522 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:37:58am

re: #517 opnion

Yes, he insists on getting attention. This is narcissism.


Is he reading from written notes on is the teleprompter on the podium? He keeps looking doown.

523 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:40:33am

re: #511 abolitionist

From my link, I gave them orders in reaction to U.S. drone attacks," Mehsud told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location.

Hmm, 13 and 13. Tit for tat.?

Someone is keeping a pretty good balance sheet here - should give the taliban thug-in-chief something to think about (if he actually can think rationally!)!

524 gregg  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:40:39am

re: #508 3 wood

With the mark-to-model, does each company devise their own model to value assets? It would seem to me that all companies should use the same model so an investor can compare the performance of each company. Since these companies obviously did a poor job of estimating the value of mortgages over the last few years, I'm not sure I'd trust them to come up with an accurate model. Maybe the FASB (or some organization like them) should provide the model to be used in mark-to-model.

525 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:40:45am

re: #522 VioletTiger

Is he reading from written notes on is the teleprompter on the podium? He keeps looking doown.

Looks like he is using notes & looking left & right , just like they train you in public speaking.
Wait! He's going to take questions, there must be a teleprompter & staff with Blackberries to feed him tallking points.

526 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:42:19am

re: #462 J.D.

{J.D.}
Prayers for your friends.

527 Geepers  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:42:25am

Hey J.D.,

I'm doing great, thanks.

So sorry to hear about your friend. I hope it helps knowing there are others who are praying for her.

528 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:42:49am

re: #503 opnion

Not likely a Taliban operation. The shooter was a Vietnamese refugee, who lived with his parents. He lost a high tech job & snapped.
There are no Mosques in Viet Nam.

Interesting. I understand the Vietnamese refugee was found dead at the scene, but I've not followed that story very thouroughly.

529 Shay4l  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:43:08am

re: #444 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Thought you'd like this particularly odd Beeb headline:
'Deadly air strike' in Pakistan

Seeing that 13 people have been reported to be dead - one wodners what goes trhough an editor's mind.

Ah well, perhaps he'd just been switched from reporting about those little niggling hamasthug rockets, who are certainly not 'deadly' ...
///

I would write "SUCCESSFUL air strike", personally.

530 razorbacker  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:43:10am

Like the lady asked, "Why is it that when I use my Visa to pay off my Mastercard I am a financial idiot, but when my government borrows from China to pay their debts to the Saudi's they are using high finance?"

Nuance. The lady doesn't understand nuance.

531 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:44:03am

re: #519 J.D.

Please do add him. And thank you.

Done.

532 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:44:30am

He cannot give a concise answer to anything. We get a dissertation on the most simple question.

533 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:44:48am

N Korea skips first launch chance:

' The first window in North Korea's five-day satellite launch plan has passed with no sign of a blast-off.
A South Korean expert said conditions in the launch area were not ideal, with "somewhat strong" winds and cloud.'

Awww ....

534 Lincolntf  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:45:03am

re: #503 opnion

I agree that this was most likely a "disgruntled" psychopath and not an Islamist attack. But I don't find the idea that a man of Vietnamese heritage would not be responsible for such an Islamist attack impossible. We've seen John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla, the Uighurs, etc. act on behalf of the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, etc.

535 Geepers  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:45:26am

Hey 3 wood.

Love your financial posts.

Makes me sound like I know what I'm talking about when I regurgitate it. ;-)

536 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:46:06am

Oops, looks like no teleprompter! Barry is stammering. For him this is operating without a net. His answer to the first question is so long, that he is probably trying to run out the clock & limit questions.
Maybe he can read his Harvard Law Review article. Oh, that's right , he never submitted one.

537 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:46:40am

re: #529 Shay4l

I would write "SUCCESSFUL air strike", personally.

Thats why you're probably not a sub-editor at the Beeb!

:-)))

538 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:46:54am
539 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:46:55am

re: #534 Lincolntf

I agree that this was most likely a "disgruntled" psychopath and not an Islamist attack. But I don't find the idea that a man of Vietnamese heritage would not be responsible for such an Islamist attack impossible. We've seen John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla, the Uighurs, etc. act on behalf of the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, etc.

We're getting info on the gunman....

NY gunman angry over poor English skills, job loss

Police Chief Joseph Zikuski told NBC's "Today" that people "degraded and disrespected" the gunman over his poor English. Mayor Matthew Ryan, speaking on ABC's "Good Morning America," said the man, believed to be 42-year-old Vietnamese immigrant Jiverly Voong, was angry about his language issues and his lack of employment.
540 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:47:01am

re: #528 abolitionist

Interesting. I understand the Vietnamese refugee was found dead at the scene, but I've not followed that story very thouroughly.

Survivors say that he is the guy.

541 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:47:32am

So the liberal rag called the Boston Globe is threatening to shut down unless its unions agree to give backs! I must admit to a bit of schaudenfreud when I hear stories like this one. The Globe has spent years glorifying unions and now it is in danger of being put out of business by them.

[Link: www.enterprisenews.com...]

There is certainly a lesson in this for those on the left who support islamofascism, although few will understand it. Beware of the monsters you create and nurture because they will eventually get around to dealing with you!

542 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:49:01am

OMG, this press conference is painful. Behead those who forget the teleprompter!

543 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:49:24am

Sports Note:

I see the other day where the Chicago Bears traded for an actual good quarterback, Jay Cutler, formerly with the Denver Broncos. The Bears traded their 2009 #1 and #3 draft picks, their 2010 #1 draft pick and starting QB Kyle Orton for Cutler and a 5th round pick.

I now a lot of the sports pundits are laughing at the Bears, saying that they got taken by the Broncos.

Comments:

1. Trading away #1 draft picks is not really a loss for the Bears. Our GM, Jerry Angelo, could not find a decent player in the 1st round if you gave him a road map. A glance at his first round picks, with maybe one exception, is a selection of busts and careers cut short by injury. Anybody else remember the great Cedrick Benson?

2. Bears have been particularly bad at drafting quarterbacks. Cade McNown and Rex Grossman are just recent examples of their awful drafting futility. Might as well trade the picks for a proven player. Cutler went to the Pro Bowl.

3. Trading away Kyle Orton was no loss. He is a journeyman at best and cannot throw the deep ball at all. Denver will figure this out by the 2nd pre-season game. Defenses sure figured it out quick.

4. 1st round picks are a gamble anyway, about half will be busts and out of football within a year or two.

The only problem I have with the trade as a Bears fan, is we have no competent wide receivers for Cutler to throw the ball to. GM Angelo is even worse at drafting receivers as he is at drafting QB's. But I will chance that and enjoy having a functioning QB.

The only remaining question I have, as a football fan, is how do I get used to actually having a competent professional QB on my team this fall. I have never known what that is like, as a Bears fan, in my life, except for a few short years in the mid-80's when McMahon was playing.

This could actually be fun this year.

544 razorbacker  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:49:44am

re: #539 jcm

'Gunman angry over poor English skills, job loss.'

That can't be it. That sounds like half of Arkansas.

545 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:49:47am

re: #541 _RememberTonyC

So the liberal rag called the Boston Globe is threatening to shut down unless its unions agree to give backs! I must admit to a bit of schaudenfreud when I hear stories like this one. The Globe has spent years glorifying unions and now it is in danger of being put out of business by them.

[Link: www.enterprisenews.com...]

There is certainly a lesson in this for those on the left who support islamofascism, although few will understand it. Beware of the monsters you create and nurture because they will eventually get around to dealing with you!

I like some of the writers for the sports section of the Globe..Can they just keep the sports page and fold the rest of the paper?

546 Lincolntf  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:49:48am

re: #539 jcm

I clumsily added a double (maybe triple) negative to my post. Ooops.
My main point was that while Middle Eastern men may be the most likely to carry out terrorist attacks, we've already had experience with terrorists of every conceivable flavor.
I do assume that this man's job loss, etc. were his "reason".

547 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:49:55am

re: #534 Lincolntf

I agree that this was most likely a "disgruntled" psychopath and not an Islamist attack. But I don't find the idea that a man of Vietnamese heritage would not be responsible for such an Islamist attack impossible. We've seen John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla, the Uighurs, etc. act on behalf of the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, etc.

To be sure - but this mass murder had none of the hall signs of an Al Qaeda 'spectacular' - and even the Taliban is stretching this to breaking point because someone, some witness, would by now have come up with the information that he shouted 'Allah ... etc' , well, you know what they shout, no need to repeat it here.

Its not something which would have escaped the twitterings or the MFM.

548 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:50:48am

re: #545 HoosierHoops

I like some of the writers for the sports section of the Globe..Can they just keep the sports page and fold the rest of the paper?


the good ones already work for NESN, Comcast SportsNet, and ESPN!

549 UncleRancher  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:51:04am

Here's a little FYI for all the Lizard Kingdom.

The local bank has a sign up in the lobby stating that there is in place a temporary increase in the FDIC insurance, raising the limit to $250,000, and that it expires 31 Dec 2009

550 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:51:15am

re: #542 opnion

OMG, this press conference is painful. Behead those who forget the teleprompter!

You reading the wrong talking points!
Bush was the inarticulate fool, Obama is the most compelling communicator since Reagan!

551 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:52:05am

re: #542 opnion

OMG, this press conference is painful. Behead those who forget the teleprompter!

Heh - did TOTUS have too much French wine last night? Has he a hangover and is letting the side down?

:-))

552 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:52:31am

re: #550 jcm

You reading the wrong talking points!
Bush was the inarticulate fool, Obama is the most compelling communicator since Reagan!


"The Empty Suit Has No Clothes"

553 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:52:45am

re: #546 Lincolntf

I clumsily added a double (maybe triple) negative to my post. Ooops.
My main point was that while Middle Eastern men may be the most likely to carry out terrorist attacks, we've already had experience with terrorists of every conceivable flavor.
I do assume that this man's job loss, etc. were his "reason".

I wasn't correcting or arguing, just using your post to link the new article. No offense intended.

554 Lincolntf  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:53:04am

re: #553 jcm

None taken.

555 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:53:39am

re: #552 _RememberTonyC

"The Empty Suit Has No Clothes"

The clothes have no Emperor!

*so many ways to spin it*

556 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:54:22am

re: #550 jcm

You reading the wrong talking points!
Bush was the inarticulate fool, Obama is the most compelling communicator since Reagan!

re: #551 yma o hyd

Heh - did TOTUS have too much French wine last night? Has he a hangover and is letting the side down?

:-))

This is embarassing.
He is like a frat boy who went to a keger party last night instead of preparing for the quiz.

557 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:55:00am

re: #491 3 wood

Part of the problem is Obama, Pelosi and Reid hollered "catastrophe" for months for political reasons to panic people and get political support for the communistic plans, and those employers reacted quickly with job cuts and will not hire back until they have absolutely no other option.

I am so glad now that I took an early retirement buy out and got out of my former field while I had the chance. I talk to former associates now and they are going to work every day scared to death, just waiting to get "the call" from HR.

Ah, you chose wisely.

I have to admit, I am happy that I don't have to go in to the office and be overworked every day, as the survivors of the cut are doing. And they know the situation won't change for many months, at least.

I just wish there would be new openings out there for me to apply to that I thought I had a realistic chance of getting.

558 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:55:34am

re: #542 opnion

OMG, this press conference is painful. Behead those who forget the teleprompter!

Criminy--he brought 13 with him. Are they off on Saturday?

559 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:55:47am

re: #524 gregg

With the mark-to-model, does each company devise their own model to value assets? It would seem to me that all companies should use the same model so an investor can compare the performance of each company. Since these companies obviously did a poor job of estimating the value of mortgages over the last few years, I'm not sure I'd trust them to come up with an accurate model. Maybe the FASB (or some organization like them) should provide the model to be used in mark-to-model.

There is a general methodology that they have to follow, but each deal is different depending on the details of the deal.

Here is the point. If you hold a 20 year mortgage that is being paid on time and intend to hold to maturity, the M2M at any point is irrelevant.

It's like the market value of a 30 year bond today that you are going to hold to maturity. Should you have to write down that value of that bond and eat a loss today cause the market value might drop? Of course that would be silly. But that is what M2M required. And because businesses got tired of being burned like that the market froze, so there was no market to mark to.

This gets the market going again in these securities cause now you can value them to something that makes sense.

What I would do once things get going smoothly again, is then open up a trading window in mortgage backed securities, and that would give you a transparent price going forward.

560 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:56:09am

That lying sack of shit just said that he believes in American Exceptionalism! Since when? He has been dissin this country since his nomination.

561 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:57:03am

re: #491 3 wood

Part of the problem is Obama, Pelosi and Reid hollered "catastrophe" for months for political reasons to panic people and get political support for the communistic plans, and those employers reacted quickly with job cuts and will not hire back until they have absolutely no other option.

I am so glad now that I took an early retirement buy out and got out of my former field while I had the chance. I talk to former associates now and they are going to work every day scared to death, just waiting to get "the call" from HR.

I got called in yesterday....
Not laid off, no raise, no bonus. A big bundle of stock option instead, beats a boot out the door!

562 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:57:19am

re: #510 phoenixgirl

must he speak everyday?

He can't go a day without the fawning adulation of the faithful.

563 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:57:26am

re: #558 VioletTiger

Criminy--he brought 13 with him. Are they off on Saturday?

I'll bet that Rham hid them. He is such a funster!

564 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:58:21am

Here's another take on that Talithug claim:

'Mehsud told Reuters that his group was responsible, saying: 'I accept responsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to U.S. drone attacks.'
However FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said: 'Based on the evidence, we can firmly discount that claim.'

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Personally, I'd believe the FBI before I believe a word that Mehsud says ...

565 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:58:46am

re: #539 jcm

And what do we learn from this?
1) If we had nationalized health care this man could've gotten the mental health help he obviously needed.
2) We need more gun control laws.
(you just know those are going to be the talking points if they aren't already)

566 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:58:47am

re: #560 opnion

That lying sack of shit just said that he believes in American Exceptionalism! Since when? He has been dissin this country since his nomination.

Every time I see him, I just can't help thinking--how in hell did this guy get there? He is so out of his league.

567 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:59:28am

re: #522 VioletTiger

Is he reading from written notes on is the teleprompter on the podium? He keeps looking doown.

He's buying time for his staff in the back to key in more of the answers they want him to read off the prompter.

And now they noticed that we figured out why he looks right and left like he's watching a tennis match, so they have also installed a prompter in front of him too so he can look straight ahead while reading the provided answers.

568 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:59:39am

re: #560 opnion

That lying sack of shit just said that he believes in American Exceptionalism! Since when? He has been dissin this country since his nomination.

He doesn't - one of his script writers thought it might be nice to tell that to the Euroweenies!

Must have slipped through the editing process ...

569 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:00:13am

re: #558 VioletTiger

Criminy--he brought 13 with him. Are they off on Saturday?

I just heard his "statement" portion of the press conference, and when he got finished with his weekly "prepared" Sat. morning speech, he had to go "impromtu" on mentioning the shooting in upstate NY.

He fumbled, and stopped and couldn't even make a complete sentence and never even mentioned the town.

He sounded like a fool. Can't this man even hold a fact in his mind and speak on his feet.

570 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:00:15am

re: #538 taxfreekiller

Here is where the f'n dumb ass commie Democrats and all their stupid ass over tax over regulate are going.

tfk and his kind are going off their books,unregulated private banking
screw them, I'll loan grand dads hard earned assets to borrowers I know and trust, who know and trust me.

screw these dopey shit wipe commies

Growth of third-world style black markets, barter, "private" loans and other illegal underground economies will not avoid the wholesale restructuring of the mainstream economy.

571 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:00:48am

re: #521 {yma o hyd}
I didn't know about your husband.
I am so sorry.

572 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:01:11am

re: #566 VioletTiger

Every time I see him, I just can't help thinking--how in hell did this guy get there? He is so out of his league.

His election was like a national brain cramp. If the election was tomorrow, he would be reelected. Lot's can happen before 2012 though.

573 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:01:47am

re: #563 opnion

I'll bet that Rham hid them. He is such a funster!

Rham. AKA "Congressman A" in the blago deal.

574 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:01:59am

re: #517 opnion

Yes, he insists on getting attention. This is narcissism.

It's Carter all over again. Carter kept campaigning for 6 months after he was sworn in. It really got silly.

575 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:02:08am

re: #565 Killer Tomato

And what do we learn from this?
1) If we had nationalized health care this man could've gotten the mental health help he obviously needed.
2) We need more gun control laws.
(you just know those are going to be the talking points if they aren't already)

Yep, I figure it will start today.

My question always is what if an legally armed citizen had been there?

576 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:02:27am

re: #560 opnion

That lying sack of shit just said that he believes in American Exceptionalism! Since when? He has been dissin this country since his nomination.

He does believe in American exceptionalism.
Except for the Constitution, except for personal liberty, except for capitalism....

577 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:02:30am

re: #526 {lurking faith}

Thanks.

578 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:02:56am

I don't they are getting his lame jokes either.

579 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:03:05am

re: #535 Geepers

Hey 3 wood.

Love your financial posts.

Makes me sound like I know what I'm talking about when I regurgitate it. ;-)

Very nice of you to say that. Thank you.

580 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:03:40am

re: #569 Walter L. Newton

I just heard his "statement" portion of the press conference, and when he got finished with his weekly "prepared" Sat. morning speech, he had to go "impromtu" on mentioning the shooting in upstate NY.

He fumbled, and stopped and couldn't even make a complete sentence and never even mentioned the town.

He sounded like a fool. Can't this man even hold a fact in his mind and speak on his feet.

No he can't think on his feet. Off of script he just rambles & spews gobblegook. He just can't answer the question asked.

581 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:03:54am

re: #527 Geepers

Thanks.
It's her son, a ski instructor at Beaver Creek.

582 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:04:15am

re: #538 taxfreekiller

Here is where the f'n dumb ass commie Democrats and all their stupid ass over tax over regulate are going.

tfk and his kind are going off their books,unregulated private banking
screw them, I'll loan grand dads hard earned assets to borrowers I know and trust, who know and trust me.

screw these dopey shit wipe commies


Preach it, brother.

583 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:04:24am

re: #571 J.D.

I didn't know about your husband.
I am so sorry.


Thank you - you couldn't know!
It'll be four years this June.
Love never dies - thats the one truth we all have to experience, not just cerebrally but viscerally.

584 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:04:34am

re: #543 3 wood

As a Bronco fan, I'm still in mourning. Cutler is VERY good. Barring injury he'll be one of the top QBs in the league for several years.

585 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:05:07am

re: #583 yma o hyd

{yma}

586 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:05:25am

re: #573 VegasRick

Rham. AKA "Congressman A" in the blago deal.


Rham may have a significant problem. Unless I am wrong, the jurisdiction would be Northern Illinois, Patrick Fitzgerald.

587 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:05:28am

re: #575 jcm

Exactly. That's always the first question I ask.
This from your linked article:

Police arrived in minutes, heard no gunfire and waited for about an hour before entering the building to make sure it was safe for officers.


If he hadn't killed himself, how many more people could've died while help was outside the building?

588 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:05:42am

re: #584 rwmofo

As a Bronco fan, I'm still in mourning. Cutler is VERY good. Barring injury he'll be one of the top QBs in the league for several years.

As a Seattle fan I used to love to hate Elway!

589 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:06:15am

not that anyone cares, but the 6 element and i are going sailing with SloKat today, moving "Wind Tamer" from Long Binh to Marina del Rey, and then, hopefully, to Oxnard tomorrow.....

someone please call the Coast Guard if i'm not on the LNDT later today.

%-)

590 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:06:51am

re: #583 yma o hyd

Thank you - you couldn't know!
It'll be four years this June.
Love never dies - thats the one truth we all have to experience, not just cerebrally but viscerally.


{yma o hyd}

591 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:07:01am

re: #575 jcm

Yep, I figure it will start today.

My question always is what if an legally armed citizen had been there?

Good question!
I bet there would not have been 12 innocent people shot dead.

Just recall all the earth-moving equipment attacks in Jerusalem: legally armed citizens were at hand - and the perps got their fondest wish, meeting those 72 raisins, or perhaps less than 72 since they weren't that successful!

592 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:07:47am

re: #586 opnion

Rham may have a significant problem. Unless I am wrong, the jurisdiction would be Northern Illinois, Patrick Fitzgerald.

Schadenfruend(sp) comes to mind.

593 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:07:58am

re: #589 redc1c4
Well be careful. I read an article yesterday that our coastlines and waterways are becoming minefields of abandoned and scuttled boats that owners could no longer afford.
(no I don't have the link, sorry)

594 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:08:02am

I don't care how poorly BHO just did, guys like Chris Matthews will report Obama aws brilliant in this press conference.

595 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:08:03am

re: #585 VioletTiger

{yma}

Thank you!

596 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:08:12am

re: #560 opnion

That lying sack of shit just said that he believes in American Exceptionalism! Since when? He has been dissin this country since his nominationchildhood.

ftfy

597 J.D.  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:08:19am

Thanks to all and have a nice day.

Work calls.

598 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:08:36am

re: #557 lurking faith

I just wish there would be new openings out there for me to apply to that I thought I had a realistic chance of getting.

Keep working at it. If I found something new, you can too. Maybe start your own business.

599 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:09:20am

re: #587 Killer Tomato

Exactly. That's always the first question I ask.
This from your linked article:


If he hadn't killed himself, how many more people could've died while help was outside the building?

That's the Hobson's choice with potential hostage situations. Rush in save the day, or make things worse. Or wait and try to make contact, or let the guy continue to rampage.

Personally; I like having my fate in my hands.

600 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:09:24am

re: #586 opnion

Rham may have a significant problem. Unless I am wrong, the jurisdiction would be Northern Illinois, Patrick Fitzgerald.

So much for that 'clean government' thing he promised. tax cheats, crooks, felons. Nice.

601 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:09:40am

re: #593 Killer Tomato

Well be careful. I read an article yesterday that our coastlines and waterways are becoming minefields of abandoned and scuttled boats that owners could no longer afford.
(no I don't have the link, sorry)

the Catalina channel is nice and deep, and both harbors well charted.... we should be okay.

Hey Charles, we'll wave as we move up the South Bay, so BOLO! %-)

602 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:11:38am

re: #564 yma o hyd

Thanks for the info, re FBI report.

603 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:11:46am

re: #592 VegasRick

Schadenfruend(sp) comes to mind.

Prosecuting Emmanuel would be a beautiful thing. He is a foul mouthed little punk who sees himself as some kind of thug. He likes to use mafia symbolism (Sending a dead fish & Stabbing a table , each time saying dead about his political enemies.)
Not only that, he likes to put on tights & do ballet. Seriously

604 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:12:00am

ROP killing Gays in Baghdad......

Imams vs Gays

605 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:12:48am

re: #596 lurking faith

ftfy


At least since High School, It's in his first crappy memoir
.

606 yesandno  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:14:26am

Obama press conf. question interpreted by the Brits:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

It is a hoot.

607 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:14:30am

re: #591 yma o hyd

Good question!
I bet there would not have been 12 innocent people shot dead.

Just recall all the earth-moving equipment attacks in Jerusalem: legally armed citizens were at hand - and the perps got their fondest wish, meeting those 72 raisins, or perhaps less than 72 since they weren't that successful!

And not just legally armed, but (it being Israel) probably also veterans.

608 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:14:36am

re: #602 abolitionist

Thanks for the info, re FBI report.

A pleasure!

609 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:14:36am

re: #584 rwmofo

As a Bronco fan, I'm still in mourning. Cutler is VERY good. Barring injury he'll be one of the top QBs in the league for several years.

That's my take. Here's the book on Orton.

Fairly accurate out to 15 yards, good arm for down and outs and slants. Can read a defense fairly well and has good mechanics in handing off to the runner. Good play action fake. Can look off the safety.

Past 15 yards though, forget it, very inaccurate, and throws a lot of picks.

He's a human statue in the pocket, he could not side step Stephen Hawking in a blitz. Your O-Line better be strong.

By the 2nd quarter of each game the defense will have figured out that he is no threat deep and you will see 8 in the box for the rest of the game and your running backs will get dropped like a pole axed steer at the line of scrimmage.

He telegraphs his release and has no touch on the screen pass. Slow feet.

In other words, better look for a different #1 QB cause he is not it.

610 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:14:49am

re: #532 VioletTiger

He cannot give a concise answer to anything. We get a dissertation on the most simple question.

and it doesn't even pertain to the question.
just gibberish smoke screen verbosity.

611 yesandno  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:16:09am

re: #606 yesandno

Obama press conf. question interpreted by the Brits:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

It is a hoot.

Oops....just came to post this then looked above and saw it already posted.

My bad...should have scoped things out.

612 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:16:23am

re: #561 jcm

got called in yesterday....
Not laid off, no raise, no bonus. A big bundle of stock option instead, beats a boot out the door!

Very good news, all things considered.

613 kansas  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:16:32am

re: #606 yesandno

Obama press conf. question interpreted by the Brits:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

It is a hoot.

Teleprompter malfunction.

614 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:16:36am

re: #604 Pietr

ROP killing Gays in Baghdad......

Imams vs Gays

CAIR had no comment

615 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:16:44am

re: #603 opnion

Prosecuting Emmanuel would be a beautiful thing. He is a foul mouthed little punk who sees himself as some kind of thug. He likes to use mafia symbolism (Sending a dead fish & Stabbing a table , each time saying dead about his political enemies.)
Not only that, he likes to put on tights & do ballet. Seriously

I know those folks, rahm would not last 5 minutes with these people. I think he should stick to wearing a tutu.

616 Wishing  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:16:48am

Man o man, another police shooting, this time in Pittsburgh. At least 3 dead.
The shooter survived.

617 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:17:02am

re: #591 yma o hyd

Good question!
I bet there would not have been 12 innocent people shot dead.

Just recall all the earth-moving equipment attacks in Jerusalem: legally armed citizens were at hand - and the perps got their fondest wish, meeting those 72 raisins, or perhaps less than 72 since they weren't that successful!

Is it reaching the point when only fools and death-wishers will continue to live in American cities without carrying firearms?

618 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:17:10am

re: #609 3 wood

That's my take. Here's the book on Orton.

Fairly accurate out to 15 yards, good arm for down and outs and slants. Can read a defense fairly well and has good mechanics in handing off to the runner. Good play action fake. Can look off the safety.

Past 15 yards though, forget it, very inaccurate, and throws a lot of picks.

He's a human statue in the pocket, he could not side step Stephen Hawking in a blitz. Your O-Line better be strong.

By the 2nd quarter of each game the defense will have figured out that he is no threat deep and you will see 8 in the box for the rest of the game and your running backs will get dropped like a pole axed steer at the line of scrimmage.

He telegraphs his release and has no touch on the screen pass. Slow feet.

In other words, better look for a different #1 QB cause he is not it.

Hi 3 wood! Almost time to hit the links this spring..
If you guys get the defense in shape..You'll be playing in the playoffs this year..Congrads on Cutler

619 NYCHardhat  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:18:46am

Binghamton Yesterday
Pittsburgh Today

We have seen an outbreak of gun violence and shootings. I know this is exactly what the lib media needs to turn it into a gun ban.

Other shootings in the last month:

A string of attacks in the U.S. in the last month left 44 people dead in all.
A gunman killed 10 people and himself in Samson, Ala.; shootings that began with a traffic stop in Oakland, Calif., left four police officers and the gunman dead; an apparent murder-suicide in Santa Clara, Calif., left six dead; and a gunman went on a rampage at a nursing home Sunday, killing seven elderly residents and a nurse who cared for them.

620 snowcrash  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:18:47am

re: #610 nyc redneck


just gibberish smoke screen verbosity.


Now that should be a rotating title!

621 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:18:47am

re: #612 3 wood

Very good news, all things considered.

My company's fundamentals seem pretty good.

622 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:18:47am

re: #610 nyc redneck

and it doesn't even pertain to the question.
just gibberish smoke screen verbosity.

He's obviously talking over your head, because the man is simply brilliant. Just ask anyone in MSM.
///

623 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:19:18am

re: #607 lurking faith

And not just legally armed, but (it being Israel) probably also veterans.

Exactly!
They knew precisely what they were doing - something which might perhaps be a little bit more difficult for someone who only trains on a weapons range.
Still - being armed and actually knowing how to use that weapon must be better than not having anything except a paper clip ...

624 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:19:33am

re: #600 VioletTiger

So much for that 'clean government' thing he promised. tax cheats, crooks, felons. Nice.

Cook County corruption has moved to DC.
Yje MSM just wants to overlook BHO's relationship with Rezko.

625 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:20:38am

re: #598 3 wood

Keep working at it. If I found something new, you can too. Maybe start your own business.

Oh, I'm not giving up. But I am a little hamstrung by various factors, and I have to be realistic about it.

I'm just glad Mr. faith is decently employed, at least for now.

626 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:21:19am

re: #623 yma o hyd

Exactly!
They knew precisely what they were doing - something which might perhaps be a little bit more difficult for someone who only trains on a weapons range.
Still - being armed and actually knowing how to use that weapon must be better than not having anything except a paper clip ...

I highly recommend for anyone considering concealed carry take a combat hand gun course and a shoot-no-shoot class. Most are offered if you look around your area.

627 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:22:08am

re: #560 opnion

That lying sack of shit just said that he believes in American Exceptionalism! Since when? He has been dissin this country since his nomination.

he is not getting anywhere bashing america. the fcking idiot.
even tho europe is jealous of america in many ways, they admire us and
what we stand for. they know, at some point they are going to need us.
this america bashing is making the civilized world a bit uncomfortable.

628 NYCHardhat  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:22:27am

re: #626 jcm

I highly recommend for anyone considering concealed carry take a combat hand gun course and a shoot-no-shoot class. Most are offered if you look around your area.

Damn I wish I could get concealed carry.

629 Wishing  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:22:29am

re: #626 jcm

I highly recommend for anyone considering concealed carry take a combat hand gun course and a shoot-no-shoot class. Most are offered if you look around your area.

I saw above that you have your job. Am happy for you.

630 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:22:31am

re: #600 VioletTiger

So much for that 'clean government' thing he promised. tax cheats, crooks, felons. Nice.

But they're his crooks.

It's a lot like the Democrat definition of "bipartisan."

631 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:23:00am

re: #615 VegasRick

I know those folks, rahm would not last 5 minutes with these people. I think he should stick to wearing a tutu.

Exactly, he just likes to sound like a tough guy.
THe Chicago Tribune had a picture of Rham in his tights about six moths ago. Not a pretty picture.

632 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:23:08am

Howdy, lizards. I'm enjoying reading the comments today. I was listening yesterday to someone--maybe Rush, maybe a local announcer--and they were noting how the US press were fawning over Obama while the British press were far less enthusiastic. You folks have noted the Guardian article, which is just fantastic. I want to make it into a poster and put it all over my town.

633 Wishing  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:23:18am

re: #628 NYCHardhat

Damn I wish I could get concealed carry.

Oh...NYC...
Damn shame...

634 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:23:51am

re: #617 Spare O'Lake

Is it reaching the point when only fools and death-wishers will continue to live in American cities without carrying firearms?

That might sound horrendous - but look at the alternative!
Is it really that much better to live in a country where only criminals are armed, with guns and/or knives, and where innocent bystanders in certain districts have a very good chance of being killed?
Where the police is so tangled up in red tape, box ticking and bureaucratic targets that they don't have time to walk the beat?
Thats what its like in the UK ...

I'd prefer armed citizens - at least the villains would think twice.
Madmen - you get them anywhere, gun control laws or not.

635 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:24:05am

re: #629 Wishing

I saw above that you have your job. Am happy for you.

Good for at least 6 months, then the company will evaluate the markets. So far we're well below the industry average in layoffs.

636 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:24:08am

re: #620 snowcrash

Now that should be a rotating title!

:D

637 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:24:19am

re: #564 yma o hyd

Here's another take on that Talithug claim:

'Mehsud told Reuters that his group was responsible, saying: 'I accept responsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to U.S. drone attacks.'
However FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said: 'Based on the evidence, we can firmly discount that claim.'

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Personally, I'd believe the FBI before I believe a word that Mehsud says ...

I agree. This is just puff, meant to increase his standing with those nearby, at a time when he is taking heavy losses and his leadership is probably under scrutiny by a bunch of people you really don't want scrutinizing your performance.

The problems start when someone in that crowd, listening to this claim, asks, "Then why didn't you tell us this was going to happen yesterday?"

638 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:25:24am

re: #632 vxbush

And you watch - if the European press turns against him, the same nitwits here who've been telling us for years how superior Europe is, will turn on a dime and start dissing it.

639 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:25:27am

re: #626 jcm

I highly recommend for anyone considering concealed carry take a combat hand gun course and a shoot-no-shoot class. Most are offered if you look around your area.

I have a 9mm in the bedside dresser.. Had it forever..Never bought a bullet for it or ever fired it..Been meaning to get around to it..
When my kid gets out of the Marines I think I'll go shooting with him...

640 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:25:51am

Something to keep an eye on....

U.S. stock rally faces test as earnings kick off

Next week isn't the first full trading week of the month -- markets will be closed on Friday in observance of Good Friday -- but it will bring the official kickoff of what will likely be a grim first-quarter earnings season. It will also bring trade data and the minutes of the U.S. Federal Open Market Committee's March policy meeting, which could provide more clues about whether a bottom for the U.S. economic downturn is anywhere on the horizon.
The earnings reports "will be a real test to see if the current rally is just a technical rally within the overall context of an ongoing bear market or the first leg of a new bull market," said Frederic Dickson, chief market strategist, Davidson Companies.

641 NYCHardhat  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:26:34am

re: #639 HoosierHoops

I have a 9mm in the bedside dresser.. Had it forever..Never bought a bullet for it or ever fired it..Been meaning to get around to it..
When my kid gets out of the Marines I think I'll go shooting with him...

Shoot that thing. Let it breathe.

642 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:26:41am

re: #628 NYCHardhat

Damn I wish I could get concealed carry.

That's something I'd like to see NRA and other 2nd Amend groups push for. Equal treatment. I live in a shall issue state, unless you are disqualified you are issued a permit upon request. The permit also means I can walk in to a shop, buy any handgun and walk out with, as I'm pre-screened.

643 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:26:44am

re: #632 vxbush

Howdy, lizards. I'm enjoying reading the comments today. I was listening yesterday to someone--maybe Rush, maybe a local announcer--and they were noting how the US press were fawning over Obama while the British press were far less enthusiastic. You folks have noted the Guardian article, which is just fantastic. I want to make it into a poster and put it all over my town.

Hiya, {vxbush}!

One's gotta note that the 'Guardian' is as left-wing a paper as its possible to be, outside the former Soviet Union ...

644 NYCHardhat  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:27:35am

re: #642 jcm

That's something I'd like to see NRA and other 2nd Amend groups push for. Equal treatment. I live in a shall issue state, unless you are disqualified you are issued a permit upon request. The permit also means I can walk in to a shop, buy any handgun and walk out with, as I'm pre-screened.

I jumped through so many hoops just to buy my piece.

645 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:27:38am

re: #555 jcm

The clothes have no Emperor!

*so many ways to spin it*


Claude Raines in a $3000 suit?

646 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:27:41am

re: #638 Killer Tomato

And you watch - if the European press turns against him, the same nitwits here who've been telling us for years how superior Europe is, will turn on a dime and start dissing it.

Oh, I expect it. So much for the unity of the brotherhood of the press.

You have to wonder what Obama could do that would actually cause the press in the US to finally report the truth. I mean, look at how they continue to fawn over Clinton, even considering his gigantic indiscretions. His fundraising fiascos. His international failings. And yet he is happily tolerated by the press as a kind grandfatherly figure now.

647 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:27:44am

re: #631 opnion

Exactly, he just likes to sound like a tough guy.
THe Chicago Tribune had a picture of Rham in his tights about six moths ago. Not a pretty picture.

Image: men-in-tights_t350.jpg

648 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:27:52am

re: #634 yma o hyd

That might sound horrendous - but look at the alternative!
Is it really that much better to live in a country where only criminals are armed, with guns and/or knives, and where innocent bystanders in certain districts have a very good chance of being killed?
Where the police is so tangled up in red tape, box ticking and bureaucratic targets that they don't have time to walk the beat?
Thats what its like in the UK ...

I'd prefer armed citizens - at least the villains would think twice.
Madmen - you get them anywhere, gun control laws or not.

Sadly, I agree with you. There is no way I would want to live in a US city without carrying a handgun.

649 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:27:56am

J.D.
Thoughts and prayers go out to you and your friends.

650 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:28:46am

re: #588 jcm

Kinda miss the rivalry since they went to the NFC. As lousy as KC and Oakland have been the last few years - well, those are the only two reasons the Broncos haven't been in the AFC West cellar.

651 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:29:11am

re: #643 yma o hyd

Hiya, {vxbush}!

One's gotta note that the 'Guardian' is as left-wing a paper as its possible to be, outside the former Soviet Union ...

I realize that. I still love it.

652 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:29:21am

re: #637 SixDegrees

I agree. This is just puff, meant to increase his standing with those nearby, at a time when he is taking heavy losses and his leadership is probably under scrutiny by a bunch of people you really don't want scrutinizing your performance.

The problems start when someone in that crowd, listening to this claim, asks, "Then why didn't you tell us this was going to happen yesterday?"

And the next problem starts when they ask - what did you do that for - we've now had 13 more killed by a drone attack!

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

653 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:29:31am

re: #639 HoosierHoops

I have a 9mm in the bedside dresser.. Had it forever..Never bought a bullet for it or ever fired it..Been meaning to get around to it..
When my kid gets out of the Marines I think I'll go shooting with him...

In the home, it's not as critical, you better covered when you choose to use a weapon. I believe if you decided to carry you have a duty to be more prepared.

If you just want in home defense, consider a 12ga. Less skill is required than a handgun.

654 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:29:49am

re: #645 _RememberTonyC

Claude Raines in a $3000 suit?

LOL!

655 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:29:56am

re: #642 jcm

That's something I'd like to see NRA and other 2nd Amend groups push for. Equal treatment. I live in a shall issue state, unless you are disqualified you are issued a permit upon request. The permit also means I can walk in to a shop, buy any handgun and walk out with, as I'm pre-screened.

Nice.
*envy*

656 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:30:36am

re: #640 Killgore Trout

Something to keep an eye on....

U.S. stock rally faces test as earnings kick off

Yup. At the end of the day, it's all about earnings.

On a positive note, expectations are uniformly grim; beating them won't be hard.

657 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:30:38am

On the Binghamton shootings...

"On Saturday, Binghamton's Police Chief Joseph Zikuski told NBC's "Today'' show that people "degraded and disrespected'' the gunman -- believed to be a Vietnamese immigrant -- over his poor English. Mayor Matthew Ryan told ABC's "Good Morning America'' he was angry about his language issues and his lack of employment. "

Oh bullshit. I haven't been able to get a full time job in as a computer programmer for 5 years (a 25 year career), I'm 56 and my Spanish skills are poor, but I haven't gone out and shot up a boatload of people.

This guy is a police chief? What a pansy-assed comment that was.

[Link: www.nbcnewyork.com...]

658 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:30:48am

re: #650 rwmofo

Kinda miss the rivalry since they went to the NFC. As lousy as KC and Oakland have been the last few years - well, those are the only two reasons the Broncos haven't been in the AFC West cellar.

Seattle v. Denver was SOOO much fun!

One year a radio station renting a steam roller and people brought Elway dolls to be crushed.

659 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:31:21am

re: #618 HoosierHoops

Hi 3 wood! Almost time to hit the links this spring..
If you guys get the defense in shape..You'll be playing in the playoffs this year..Congrads on Cutler

I agree, but having a good QB will make the defense better just by itself. The Bears were the 3rd worst team in the league last year in time of possession, and we were a "running" team. We went 3 and out all year, could not hold onto the ball on offense and our defense was on the field all game. We used to say that our offensive strategy was to get to the punter.

There were games where our defense outscored our offense

660 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:31:23am

re: #646 vxbush

It'd have to directly impact them. Until they end up unemployed or broke or their families get blown up or they're tossed in jail for hate speech or something, they'll continue to spew their BS.

661 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:31:26am

re: #641 NYCHardhat

Shoot that thing. Let it breathe.

LOL
The only I've ever shot was a basketball...
/ I know I suck..I've just never had an interest in guns..All the boys have shotguns and Rifles. I've never even gone shooting with them before..
Yup..I suck! :)

662 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:31:49am

re: #646 vxbush

Oh, I expect it. So much for the unity of the brotherhood of the press.

You have to wonder what Obama could do that would actually cause the press in the US to finally report the truth. I mean, look at how they continue to fawn over Clinton, even considering his gigantic indiscretions. His fundraising fiascos. His international failings. And yet he is happily tolerated by the press as a kind grandfatherly figure now.

Don't forget Jimmy Carter. I actually have respect for his work with habitat for humanity but his jet setting around with commies makes me sick to my stomach. I wonder what fake election he'll 'authorize' next.

663 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:32:16am

re: #656 SixDegrees

It seems "not terrible" news on earning on earnings might be good enough to keep the market limping along.

664 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:33:00am

re: #621 jcm

My company's fundamentals seem pretty good.

The only negative that jumped out at me is the beta is 1.95,or almost double the market average. Very volatile.

665 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:33:10am

re: #660 Killer Tomato

It'd have to directly impact them. Until they end up unemployed or broke or their families get blown up or they're tossed in jail for hate speech or something, they'll continue to spew their BS.

It's hard to imagine what would directly impact them. We've noted here on many occasions on how insulated most of the media are, given their locations on the coasts. I know at least one media person could not believe that Bush won the election, given that everyone voted for Gore.

666 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:34:11am

re: #662 axegrinder

Don't forget Jimmy Carter. I actually have respect for his work with habitat for humanity but his jet setting around with commies makes me sick to my stomach. I wonder what fake election he'll 'authorize' next.

Ah, Jimmy Carter. The rabbit that keeps giving.

/

667 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:34:57am

re: #666 vxbush

VX! How are you today? You feeling better?

668 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:35:16am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

On the Binghamton shootings...

"On Saturday, Binghamton's Police Chief Joseph Zikuski told NBC's "Today'' show that people "degraded and disrespected'' the gunman -- believed to be a Vietnamese immigrant -- over his poor English. Mayor Matthew Ryan told ABC's "Good Morning America'' he was angry about his language issues and his lack of employment. "

Oh bullshit. I haven't been able to get a full time job in as a computer programmer for 5 years (a 25 year career), I'm 56 and my Spanish skills are poor, but I haven't gone out and shot up a boatload of people.

This guy is a police chief? What a pansy-assed comment that was.

[Link: www.nbcnewyork.com...]

They are all so relieved that it doesn't seem to be a terrorist attack, that they are happy to revert to the lefty meme of making excuses for the perp. I'm waiting for them to start blaming the victims.

669 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:35:37am

re: #640 Killgore Trout

I think most of that is already priced in. The market tends to be a bet on the future, not on the past.

670 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:35:51am

re: #663 Killgore Trout

It seems "not terrible" news on earning on earnings might be good enough to keep the market limping along.

What's keeping the market limping along is high unemployment. When Wall street starts smelling a rate increase we'll see some sell offs.

671 JohnAdams  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:36:08am

Just posted this above. Nancy fucking Pelosi made me vomit up my coffee and doughnuts this morning:

"The performance of some of the management of the companies is stunning to me, so I'm not shedding a tear for Mr. Wagoner's departure," she said.

"You lose billions of dollars a year. You get millions of dollars in salary and you get $20 million to leave. ... Pay for performance is something we'd like to see here."

I guess this is why they call it "irony" because it feels like it every day when they keep hitting me over the head with it. A horror novelist could not invent something worse than this.

672 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:36:15am

re: #609 3 wood

Thanks for cheering me up.

At least I have a 1:30 tee time today. Wonder if I'll be drinking beer on the course. Hmmmmm.

673 lurking faith  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:36:43am

Well, I was trying to hang around long enough to see the first new thread of the day, but I have to run to the post office before it closes. And then perhaps I'll go sun myself on a nice rock while the laundry churns.

Stay scaly!

674 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:37:32am

re: #655 lurking faith

Nice.
*envy*

WA has a pretty good setup balancing screening vs. 2nd Amend rights. I'd like to see it all streamlined. I also think my permits should be valid nation wide. Since it is a right I think equal protection applies.

675 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:37:35am

re: #667 HoosierHoops

VX! How are you today? You feeling better?

My ankle is still bothering me. I'm really sleepy today; I didn't sleep that well because my arms kept getting cold, so I'd put them under the covers; then I would fall asleep, move to get comfortable, and stick my arms up above my head, and then they would get cold, and.... you get the picture. I never woke up enough to realize that I should get up and put on a long-sleeve shirt.

How are you?

676 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:37:50am

re: #671 JohnAdams

Dear Nancy: We'd like to see pay for performance, too. You're not worth a buck an hour. In fact, you owe us.

677 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:37:50am

re: #647 VegasRick

[Link: media.thedaily.com.au...]

He's the one on the far right?

678 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:38:51am

re: #664 3 wood

The only negative that jumped out at me is the beta is 1.95,or almost double the market average. Very volatile.

I think that goes for the entire silicon industry. We're highly dependent on other sectors.

679 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:39:01am

re: #671 JohnAdams

Just posted this above. Nancy fucking Pelosi made me vomit up my coffee and doughnuts this morning:

"The performance of some of the management of the companies is stunning to me, so I'm not shedding a tear for Mr. Wagoner's departure," she said.

"You lose billions of dollars a year. You get millions of dollars in salary and you get $20 million to leave. ... Pay for performance is something we'd like to see here."

I guess this is why they call it "irony" because it feels like it every day when they keep hitting me over the head with it. A horror novelist could not invent something worse than this.

Oh, I don't know. I'd pay her to leave the Senate.

680 Orangutan  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:39:41am

The lead section of this thread is a perfect component of the "unintended consequences" argument. Over-planning, over-managing, and over-governing rarely achieve their desired ends.

681 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:40:27am

re: #675 vxbush

My ankle is still bothering me. I'm really sleepy today; I didn't sleep that well because my arms kept getting cold, so I'd put them under the covers; then I would fall asleep, move to get comfortable, and stick my arms up above my head, and then they would get cold, and.... you get the picture. I never woke up enough to realize that I should get up and put on a long-sleeve shirt.

How are you?

Well I hope that ankle gets better real soon..Just had breakfast awhile ago and mama and one of our girls are going shopping today..
We went Clubbing last night..So my head hurts just a little teeny bit.

682 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:40:27am

re: #189 eddiespaghetti

Indeed:

What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom?
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice?

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had?
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad?

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty in' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom?
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little ?
'Cause the only reason that you're here
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a hefty in' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five

Team America!

683 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:40:34am

re: #677 opnion

He's the one on the far right?

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

This really is funny! Toughguy all right!

684 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:41:03am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

Well I hope that ankle gets better real soon..Just had breakfast awhile ago and mama and one of our girls are going shopping today..
We went Clubbing last night..So my head hurts just a little teeny bit.

Well, next time go down a size and just get the hammer.

/

685 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:41:10am

re: #671 JohnAdams

Just posted this above. Nancy fucking Pelosi made me vomit up my coffee and doughnuts this morning:

I just have to see her pancake face with blood red lipstick to want to heave. If congress got paid for performance they'd be giving us money to lease the capitol for their circus antics.

686 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:41:22am

re: #671 JohnAdams

The blindness of politicians, criticizing businesses for losing money, when the politicians run their own money-losing business by digging into the unlimited pockets of future generations.

687 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:41:46am

re: #675 vxbush

My ankle is still bothering me. I'm really sleepy today; I didn't sleep that well because my arms kept getting cold, so I'd put them under the covers; then I would fall asleep, move to get comfortable, and stick my arms up above my head, and then they would get cold, and.... you get the picture. I never woke up enough to realize that I should get up and put on a long-sleeve shirt.

How are you?

Did your ankle get it checked out?

I'll do the same thing, be uncomfortable enough to wake up, but to sleepy to do anything about it.

688 razorbacker  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:41:59am

re: #672 rwmofo

Thanks for cheering me up.

At least I have a 1:30 tee time today. Wonder if I'll be drinking beer on the course. Hmmmmm.

Take care. Consider, if you will, the sad example of one Matt Jones. Matt was a first round pick for the Jacksonville Jaguars, but on a visit home he was arrested for having some coke (granular, not -cola). Sent before the judge, Matt was given probation with the provision that he not use drugs for a certain period of time. While playing in a local golf charity outing, Matt was seen drinking a beer. Violation. Led to a week in the pokey, then being cut by the Jags.

Last I saw, Matt Jones name figures in the list of wide receivers in 'free agency' looking for work.

689 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:42:14am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

We went Clubbing last night..So my head hurts just a little teeny bit.

So- I shouldn't yell? Sorry.

690 JohnAdams  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:43:13am

re: #686 jaunte

The blindness of politicians, criticizing businesses for losing money, when the politicians run their own money-losing business by digging into the unlimited pockets of future generations.

It defies description. I guess "audacity" comes closest.

691 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:43:20am

re: #683 VegasRick

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

This really is funny! Toughguy all right!

Fabulous!

692 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:43:45am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

Well I hope that ankle gets better real soon..Just had breakfast awhile ago and mama and one of our girls are going shopping today..
We went Clubbing last night..So my head hurts just a little teeny bit.

You are supposed to hit the seals, not yourself......

jeese some people.

693 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:44:01am

re: #685 axegrinder

I just have to see her pancake face with blood red lipstick to want to heave.


I swear if you put makeup on a mummy you'd get pretty much the same result.

694 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:44:10am

re: #683 VegasRick

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

This really is funny! Toughguy all right!

Heh. Rush recently said, "Don't let (Emanuel's) ballerina past and effeminate nature fool you." The Emanuel pic on Rush's web-site was even less flattering.

695 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:44:16am

Hedge fund paid Obama adviser Summers $5.2 million

Lawrence Summers, a top economic adviser to U.S. President Barack Obama, was paid about $5.2 million by hedge fund D.E. Shaw in the past year, financial disclosure forms released by the White House showed on Friday.

Outrage! Retroactive 90% tax! Bus tour!

696 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:44:33am

re: #693 Killer Tomato

I swear if you put makeup on a mummy you'd get pretty much the same result.

Mummy's are smarter and have better personalities.

697 BignJames  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:45:28am
698 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:45:39am

re: #695 Sharmuta

Hedge fund paid Obama adviser Summers $5.2 million

Outrage! Retroactive 90% tax! Bus tour!

Don't be silly - he's a politician, politicians are above the law, everybody knows that!

//////////////

699 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:45:47am

re: #687 jcm

Did your ankle get it checked out?

I'll do the same thing, be uncomfortable enough to wake up, but to sleepy to do anything about it.

Heh. Hubby got tired of my whining, so we took me in yesterday. They did take X-rays, but never told me anything about them. They just sent me home. That makes me think they found nothing, but they also told me nothing about how to treat it for now. I think I know, but it would have helped if we had at least had a chance to talk about what I should do if it doesn't get any better.

700 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:45:55am

re: #688 razorbacker

...as he casually said, "Bye bye $millions."

701 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:46:46am

re: #689 Sharmuta

So- I shouldn't yell? Sorry.

LOL
We really love dancing Sharm.. I can't get that song crazy bitch out of my head! It was a lot of fun

702 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:47:08am

Baseball kicks off tomorrow!

Hey, where's A-Rod?

703 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:47:19am

re: #689 Sharmuta

So- I shouldn't yell? Sorry.

From bad music or too much booze?

704 JohnAdams  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:47:55am

re: #694 rwmofo

Heh. Rush recently said, "Don't let (Emanuel's) ballerina past and effeminate nature fool you." The Emanuel pic on Rush's web-site was even less flattering.

linky?

705 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:47:59am

re: #696 jcm

Mummy's are smarter and have better personalities.

Maybe they could do a remake of The Mummy and she could star.
Change her name for show business - Bella Pelosi. Has that 'horror movie' feel. (actually, didn't he play a vampire?)

706 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:48:01am

re: #699 vxbush

Heh. Hubby got tired of my whining, so we took me in yesterday. They did take X-rays, but never told me anything about them. They just sent me home. That makes me think they found nothing, but they also told me nothing about how to treat it for now. I think I know, but it would have helped if we had at least had a chance to talk about what I should do if it doesn't get any better.

But - I thought you didn't have nationalised State Health care yet?

Because that is normal procedure here in our hospitals ...

707 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:48:02am

re: #699 vxbush

Heh. Hubby got tired of my whining, so we took me in yesterday. They did take X-rays, but never told me anything about them. They just sent me home. That makes me think they found nothing, but they also told me nothing about how to treat it for now. I think I know, but it would have helped if we had at least had a chance to talk about what I should do if it doesn't get any better.

That's good news. You might want to talk with your doctor and get a prescription for some physical therapy. Once a ankle is injured it's porn to re-injury. PT will help you strengthen it and prevent a reoccurrence.

708 docremulac  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:48:03am

Quote of the day:

"Conservatives view taxpayers as the backbone of our society that need to be protected and nurtured. Liberals view them as a pinata full of goodies to be smashed open."

709 razorbacker  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:48:09am

re: #700 rwmofo

As I told the wife-woman, "At least he hasn't shot himself in the ass. Maybe he could call the Giants."

710 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:48:31am

Quick question, what is reccomended to clean the screen of a lap top?

711 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:48:58am

re: #697 BignJames

I'm heartbroken.

I'm just glad that was not a full body ChiaWAB.

712 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:49:12am

re: #710 opnion

Quick question, what is reccomended to clean the screen of a lap top?

Beer.

713 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:49:23am

re: #706 yma o hyd

But - I thought you didn't have nationalised State Health care yet?

Because that is normal procedure here in our hospitals ...

It used to be if you got an X-ray, the doctor would read it, report back to you, and give you a set of steps to follow. That did *not* happen yesterday. So it's already moving in that direction.

714 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:49:23am

re: #703 axegrinder

From bad music or too much booze?

When you dance for 4 hours you need to keep hydrated...

715 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:49:29am

re: #704 JohnAdams

linky?

It was 2-3 weeks ago. He only keeps one week of stuff up on the free side of his web-site.

716 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:49:34am

re: #707 jcm

That's good news. You might want to talk with your doctor and get a prescription for some physical therapy. Once a ankle is injured it's porn to re-injury. PT will help you strengthen it and prevent a reoccurrence.

Oooohhhhh - Freud would have something to say about that typo!

:-)))

717 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:50:27am

re: #707 jcm

That's good news. You might want to talk with your doctor and get a prescription for some physical therapy. Once a ankle is injured it's porn to re-injury. PT will help you strengthen it and prevent a reoccurrence.

I already know the exercises; I rolled the other ankle a few years ago and had PT. I just wanted to know if I should wait before I start them again. I wouldn't want to start too soon and aggravate the injury.

718 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:50:31am

re: #710 opnion

Quick question, what is reccomended to clean the screen of a lap top?

Damp, lint free cloth. Do not use alcohol or ammonia cleaners, it will cause the plastic top layer on the screen to fog.

A computer store will have monitor wipes. I think those are a rip off and just use a damp cloth.

719 JohnAdams  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:50:36am

re: #716 yma o hyd

Oooohhhhh - Freud would have something to say about that typo!

:-)))

Caught that too. An all-timer.

720 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:51:04am

Republicans want a more restrained budget approach

"The president's budget, which passed the House and Senate this week, will make the crisis much, much worse," he said. "Rather than getting spending under control, it sends spending out of control. Rather than keeping taxes low to create jobs, it chases ever-higher spending with ever-higher taxes and results in ever-higher debt — an unprecedented, unsustainable increase in red ink. It doubles our national debt in five years and triples our debt in 10 years."

Ryan said the GOP budget gives priority to national defense and veterans' health care and freezes all other discretionary spending for five years.

There was also this:

House Republicans lost a vote last week on their alternative budget, with more than three dozen of the chamber's more moderate members defecting from the GOP in a 293-137 tally that rejected cuts to Medicare and the Medicaid health care program for the poor and disabled.

Who are these people? Not that they would have stopped this atrocious budget, but WTH? If they can't be fiscally conservative in the face of this spending, maybe they should really leave the GOP.

721 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:51:05am

re: #710 opnion

Quick question, what is reccomended to clean the screen of a lap top?

Just don't drink beer while you're watching Obama speak without a teleprompter and you wont spit on the screen as much.

722 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:51:07am

re: #712 Walter L. Newton

Beer.

Damn! (forehead slap), I should have known that.

723 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:51:11am

re: #716 yma o hyd

Oooohhhhh - Freud would have something to say about that typo!

:-)))

ROFL!

724 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:51:16am

re: #699 vxbush

Heh. Hubby got tired of my whining, so we took me in yesterday. They did take X-rays, but never told me anything about them. They just sent me home. That makes me think they found nothing, but they also told me nothing about how to treat it for now. I think I know, but it would have helped if we had at least had a chance to talk about what I should do if it doesn't get any better.

If you pulled a muscle or tore a ligament, I don't think that'd show up on an x-ray.
(I'm not a doctor and didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so take that for what it's worth, which is pretty much nothing)

725 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:51:28am

Muslim cartoons resurrected to block new NATO chief

The issue? NATO's next secretary general. The leading candidate is Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who was blessed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel yesterday.

"When he becomes Secretary General he will be a strong one," Merkel said.

But Turkey, a majority Muslim nation, is blocking Rasmussen for a few reasons, the chief one being his reaction in 2005 when Muslims in Europe reacted furiously to cartoons published in a Danish newspaper.

Rasmussen spoke out in favor of free speech in the face of calls from Muslims to shut down the paper that published the cartoons, depictions of the prophet Muhammad that some Muslims said were offensive.
...
"We are receiving telephone calls from the Islamic world, telling us: 'By God, this person should not become the secretary general of Nato and we have to take into consideration all these reactions'," Turkish Prime Minister Recip Tayyip Erdogan

726 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:51:53am

War of the Worlds is a great book.

Reads like watching an action movie, even though it is over a hundred years old.

727 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:51:54am

re: #713 vxbush

It used to be if you got an X-ray, the doctor would read it, report back to you, and give you a set of steps to follow. That did *not* happen yesterday. So it's already moving in that direction.

I do hope, in spite of that terrible treatment, that you'll get some relief.
If its not broken, then I always prefer to see a physiotherapist - they are brilliant with manipulation and giving you exercises to get you going again.
Sports physios are the best - worth every penny!

728 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:52:09am

re: #710 opnion

Quick question, what is reccomended to clean the screen of a lap top?

Most LCD manufacturers say to use a super-soft cloth and either distilled water or isopropyl alcohol mixed with distilled water in a 1:1 solution.

729 razorbacker  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:52:22am

re: #714 HoosierHoops

When you dance for 4 hours you need to keep hydrated...

It is a well known fact that bartenders are an envious lot, and hate nothing so much as seeing someone enjoy themselves. They often wait until late in the evening then slip some foul substance in the last drink that causes an unfortunate reaction to morning sunlight.

I find that sleeping til noon or beyond is an effective remedy.

730 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:52:46am

re: #724 Killer Tomato

If you pulled a muscle or tore a ligament, I don't think that'd show up on an x-ray.
(I'm not a doctor and didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so take that for what it's worth, which is pretty much nothing)

No, I know that, and the doctor said he just wanted to make sure it wasn't broken. But then I never got anything else. Rather annoying.

731 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:53:05am

re: #721 rwmofo

Just don't drink beer while you're watching Obama speak without a teleprompter and you wont spit on the screen as much.


Yeah, if you cover your mouth while laughing at BHO the beer stll squirts all over the screen.

732 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:53:13am

re: #719 JohnAdams

Caught that too. An all-timer.

Indeed - am still chuckling!

733 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:53:19am

re: #727 yma o hyd

I do hope, in spite of that terrible treatment, that you'll get some relief.
If its not broken, then I always prefer to see a physiotherapist - they are brilliant with manipulation and giving you exercises to get you going again.
Sports physios are the best - worth every penny!

Absolutely. I've worked with a lot of them, mostly with my son's disabilities. They are fantastic.

734 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:53:32am

By the way, here is a sampling of the insights from the scum at HuffPo about the shooting yesterday before the identity of the shooter was known:

First comment:

liarsclub75
Must have been a FOX "news" fan.

Reply Posted 01:28 PM on 04/03/2009

Second comment:

VOTER
Certainly plausible.

Or possibly a Fox-Rush Combo Viewer/Listener.

Reply Posted 02:44 PM on 04/03/2009

Followed by:


Petey131
These are the lunitics that listen to Rush and Hannity and yes Dobbs

Reply Posted 01:55 PM on 04/03/2009



There is over 30 pages of this psyco stuff there. Arianna Huffington has a lot to be embarassed about running that open sewer of hate.

735 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:53:42am

NATO leaders name new secretary-general

The leaders of NATO overcame the objections of the alliance's only predominantly Muslim member country and this afternoon named the prime minister of Denmark as its new secretary general-designate.

Turkey had threatened to block the appointment of Anders Fogh Rasmussen as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's secretary-general because, as premier, he had defended the right of a Danish newspaper to publish cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad. Those cartoons sparked protests and riots across the Muslim world in late 2005 and early 2006.

736 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:54:09am

re: #725 Killgore Trout

You beat me to it! Curse you! *shakes fist*

737 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:54:15am

re: #725 Killgore Trout

Anders shouldn't have drawn those pictures, I guess.
/

738 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:54:31am

re: #728 vxbush

Most LCD manufacturers say to use a super-soft cloth and either distilled water or isopropyl alcohol mixed with distilled water in a 1:1 solution.

Good advice, thanks

739 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:55:38am

re: #720 Sharmuta

I didn't take a look at the second version of the GOP budget but the first one wasn't very serious. I think some Republicans might want to have a hand in stimulating the economy so Dems don't get all the credit if the economy starts to recover. I think it would be a bad idea if all of the Republicans stood around and did nothing. Some of them want to participate.

740 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:56:38am

re: #736 Sharmuta

You beat me to it! Curse you! *shakes fist*

Heh. We almost bumped heads on that one.

741 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:57:37am

You can listen to audio versions of War of the Worlds. Can't say how good they are, though.

742 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:57:41am

re: #739 Killgore Trout

I think there are better ways to stimulate the economy without spending the money of Americans not even born yet.

743 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:58:46am

re: #740 Killgore Trout

But did you see this from the LA Slimes?

On Friday, Obama said the U.S. had at times displayed arrogance, but he appealed to Europeans to set aside their own "insidious" anti-American biases in favor of transatlantic friendship.

Good luck with that.

744 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 8:59:40am

Anybody sen realwest? I hope he's OK.

745 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:00:25am

re: #744 3 wood

Anybody sen realwest? I hope he's OK.

Not today..He has been in good spirits lately

746 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:00:49am

re: #742 Sharmuta

I think there are better ways to stimulate the economy without spending the money of Americans not even born yet.

We know what works.

Cut gov't spending.
Cut taxes.

(R)s should be repeating that loud and clear.

747 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:02:42am

re: #697 BignJames

I'm heartbroken.


someone in the o admin. got thru to the narcissist and made him realize that even tho the chia o pet pays homage to him, it is a very disgust ridiculous item.
these things will start to disappear.

748 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:03:04am

re: #739 Killgore Trout

I didn't take a look at the second version of the GOP budget but the first one wasn't very serious. I think some Republicans might want to have a hand in stimulating the economy so Dems don't get all the credit if the economy starts to recover. I think it would be a bad idea if all of the Republicans stood around and did nothing. Some of them want to participate.

The Republican party will have to hammer away endlessly with good conservative ideas and use a new face to get the message out. In the meantime, the MSM will resurrect The Gingrich Who Stole Christmas and fight these great ideas on behalf of the Democrats. It won't be easy, but somebody new needs to grow some nads.

749 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:05:18am

At the risk of pissing people off, I believe in giving credit where credit is due.

I finally caught up on my reading, and have just finished the article about Michelle Obamas' vegetable garden that is currently going in at the White House.

You won't see me mocking this project, ever. It's a spectacular endeavor and like most lifelong gardeners, I'm absolutely green with envy... the list of plants going in there just makes me want to drool. They're even going to have a beekeeper.

I believe that this beautiful garden is going to be a wonderful addition to the White House, and the cuisine that we serve to our visiting dignitaries is going to be supurb. I have to wonder if she is going to design at least part of this garden to model the beautiful gardens that Thomas Jefferson had at Monticello.

I'm a big believer in the concept of community gardens because I've seen a lot of them implimented in poor communties with outstanding results, and I'm pleased to see our First Lady is planning to use the garden to encourage visitors to the White House to return to more healthful way of living.

As much as I tend to dislike the woman, she gets kudos from me for this project.

Don't shoot.

750 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:05:21am

re: #734 3 wood

My 1st thought was that it was a disgruntled immigrant. Makes sense considering where it took place. Most crazy shootings take place where the shooter has spent some time. Usually an office or a school. At least thats the way it seems to me.

751 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:06:05am

re: #725 Killgore Trout

Muslim cartoons resurrected to block new NATO chief

Yes, we certainly wouldn't want someone who supports free speech in charge of NATO, would we?

752 Sheepdogess  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:06:56am

re: #734 3 wood

She doesn't care. She is an instigator of hate. When I Google my name I'ts the first to come up with my political donations listed, full address and a map to my front door all from her websbite under the pretext of "getting to know your neighbors".
Yea, sure.

753 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:07:10am

re: #749 Irish Rose

At the risk of pissing people off, I believe in giving credit where credit is due.

I finally caught up on my reading, and have just finished the article about Michelle Obamas' vegetable garden that is currently going in at the White House.

You won't see me mocking this project, ever. It's a spectacular endeavor and like most lifelong gardeners, I'm absolutely green with envy... the list of plants going in there just makes me want to drool. They're even going to have a beekeeper.

I believe that this beautiful garden is going to be a wonderful addition to the White House, and the cuisine that we serve to our visiting dignitaries is going to be supurb. I have to wonder if she is going to design at least part of this garden to model the beautiful gardens that Thomas Jefferson had at Monticello.

I'm a big believer in the concept of community gardens because I've seen a lot of them implimented in poor communties with outstanding results, and I'm pleased to see our First Lady is planning to use the garden to encourage visitors to the White House to return to more healthful way of living.

As much as I tend to dislike the woman, she gets kudos from me for this project.

Don't shoot.

I'm not a gardener, but if this is a serious endeavor that is well reasoned and planned, perhaps she should sell a book on the model and try to get it implemented everywhere. I just have one question: is this really her work, or is she taking credit for the work of a master gardener?

754 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:07:49am

re: #746 jcm

We know what works.

Cut gov't spending.
Cut taxes.

(R)s should be repeating that loud and clear.

I'd still like to see the return of the Balanced Budget Amendment proposal, in addition to the spending reform items I've mentioned on occasion. Balance the budget, stop wasteful spending practices, cut taxes. I think it's a winning strategy for 2010.

755 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:09:16am

re: #753 vxbush

I'm not a gardener, but if this is a serious endeavor that is well reasoned and planned, perhaps she should sell a book on the model and try to get it implemented everywhere. I just have one question: is this really her work, or is she taking credit for the work of a master gardener?

Gnome Chomsky loves it!

756 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:09:19am

re: #749 Irish Rose

Bravo!

757 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:09:41am

re: #750 axegrinder

My 1st thought was that it was a disgruntled immigrant. Makes sense considering where it took place. Most crazy shootings take place where the shooter has spent some time. Usually an office or a school. At least thats the way it seems to me.

Reports are he was upset over his poor language skills, job loss.

758 BignJames  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:10:58am

re: #747 nyc redneck

I thought it was a remakable likeness.

759 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:11:17am

Video of Taliban flogging girl stirs anger in Pakistan

President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yusaf Raza Gillani condemned the flogging and pledged an investigation. The government's former information minister, Sherry Rehman, requested a special session of parliament to discuss the incident.

"Such brutalities . . . cannot be allowed to take place under the leadership of a democratic government," Rehman said in a statement. "We cannot leave our citizens at the mercy of militants who are murdering and maiming our people in the name of Islam."

760 BignJames  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:11:35am

re: #758 BignJames

remarkable, too.

761 3 wood  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:11:42am

Got to go do chores.

Later.

762 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:11:55am

re: #743 Sharmuta

He seems to be doing ok at G20, We'll see what the end result is but I think he's doing an acceptable job so far.

763 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:12:02am

re: #761 3 wood

Got to go do chores.

Later.

When you're done, you can come to my house.....

/

764 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:12:51am

re: #749 Irish Rose

It's a good microcosm of communism. What will happen is that the vast majority of work will be done by taxpayer paid gardeners yet the harvest will benefit people that have contributed the least. If I was the WH gardener there's no way I would let a project like this be out of my sphere of influence.

765 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:12:57am

re: #753 vxbush

I'm not a gardener, but if this is a serious endeavor that is well reasoned and planned, perhaps she should sell a book on the model and try to get it implemented everywhere. I just have one question: is this really her work, or is she taking credit for the work of a master gardener?

I'm sure that she had the help of some master gardeners and the groundskeeping staff at the White House to plan it all out, this is the White House after all.

I'm not sure if she's a gardener herself, but I'm certainly willing to give her credit for putting the project on the table. It's quite an undertaking.

766 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:13:21am

re: #743 Sharmuta

But did you see this from the LA Slimes?

On Friday, Obama said the U.S. had at times displayed arrogance, but he appealed to Europeans to set aside their own "insidious" anti-American biases in favor of transatlantic friendship.

Good luck with that.

Obama is an incredible whiner.

I mean, I welcome his recognizing and addressing the issue, but is that the way to do it? Good grief.

767 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:14:23am

Here's the garden story:

The first lady, who said that she had never had a vegetable garden, recalled that the idea for this one came from her experiences as a working mother trying to feed her daughters, Malia and Sasha, a good diet. Eating out three times a week, ordering a pizza, having a sandwich for dinner all took their toll in added weight on the girls, whose pediatrician told Mrs. Obama that she needed to be thinking about nutrition.


...

The total cost of seeds, mulch and so forth is $200, said Sam Kass, an assistant White House chef, who prepared healthful meals for the Obama family in Chicago and is an advocate of local food. Mr. Kass will oversee the garden.


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

768 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:14:59am

re: #759 Sharmuta

We have an update on the Cartoon loving general....
Turkey agreed to NATO chief after Obama pledges


Turkey said on Saturday it had dropped its objections to Dane Anders Fogh Rasmussen becoming the next head of NATO after U.S. President Barack Obama offered promises that one of Rasmussen's deputies would be a Turk.
...
"We explained our reservations on Rasmussen to Obama and he gave us guarantees on our reservations. Then our president accepted Rasmussen's candidacy," Erdogan told Turkish television.

"One of the issues is to have a Turk as one of his (Rasmussen) deputies and to have our commanders in NATO command," Erdogan told reporters in Ankara.

Didn't I just say he was doing a good job? I might have to rethink that one.

769 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:15:05am

re: #759 Sharmuta

Video of Taliban flogging girl stirs anger in Pakistan

'Discuss the 'incident ...' - words, words, words!
Nobody will do something, because they're all scared to death of the Taliban, or getting paid by them.

Its not as if the Taliban has suddenly developed this misogynist streak - it was there from the beginning, for all to see.
And its not as if the Pakistani government has done anything to protect their girls and women who happen not to live udner the heel of the Taliban, either.

That speech is for consumption in the Western MFM, nothing else.

770 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:15:17am

re: #754 Sharmuta

I'd still like to see the return of the Balanced Budget Amendment proposal, in addition to the spending reform items I've mentioned on occasion. Balance the budget, stop wasteful spending practices, cut taxes. I think it's a winning strategy for 2010.

The ideas worked to get a Congressional Republican majority in 1996, it would work in 2010. Sadly the fiscal and governmental reforms promised by the Republicans were either ignored once in office or overturned as they tried to pander to the electorate to win reelection.

Regarding the latest habeas writs being floated for the Gitmo and Afghan detainees I can see the 11th Amendment is effectively dead. Bastards.

771 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:15:19am

Oh, man. My son is a big Power Rangers fan, and the "fighting" in the latest version, RPM, is just soooo bad. I mean, it's always been bad, in every version, but this is just horrifically disgustingly bad.

772 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:16:45am

re: #710 opnion

Quick question, what is reccomended to clean the screen of a lap top?

A weak solution of isopropyl alcohol and water works for me. I keep it in a little spray bottle.

773 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:16:50am

re: #762 Killgore Trout

He seems to be doing ok at G20, We'll see what the end result is but I think he's doing an acceptable job so far.

It's too soon to judge the effects of his economic policies. A couple of months is nothing. Let's see what things look like in a year, two years. Short term improvement is great, but it could be fleeting.

774 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:17:28am

Speaking of gardening. My aeroponic wasabi transplants are doing fine and starting to show some new root growth after only about 5 days. Wasabi is a very finicky plant and never like to be transplanted but so far so good.

775 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:18:03am

re: #767 jaunte

Here's the garden story:


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Eh, nothing's wrong with the idea of a vegetable garden for the White House. Hell, one of the best restaurants here in Austin, been around since forever, is right on the grounds of a smallish farm that supplies just about everything they bring to the table there. A lot fresher, overall.

Besides, it's not as if the First Family will actually do anything there other than pose for phot-ops. Now, if they were to start practicing subsistence agriculture there, and actually trying to feed themselves and their visitors exclusively from the patch they cultivated, well, that's when it would be undignified and silly. Good luck to them with it; more people should do the same.

776 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:18:06am

re: #759 Sharmuta

Video of Taliban flogging girl stirs anger in Pakistan

I see a lot of talk and discussion being proposed, not a hint that there will any action taken. Politicians are the same all over the world; all hot air, no iron.

777 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:18:21am

re: #762 Killgore Trout

He seems to be doing ok at G20, We'll see what the end result is but I think he's doing an acceptable job so far.

A good job, if you mean propaganda and sleight-of-hand.

Have a godd look at this:
Hubris, hoopla and claims that were false, cynical and very, very dangerous

778 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:19:00am

Once you get the garden going, an organic garden is simple and cheap to maintain. Composting, cover cropping, companion planting, soil amendment, the use of beneficial insects... techniques that are all pretty much free, and produce superior results.

779 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:19:17am

re: #767 jaunte

Here's the garden story:


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Cheaper to buy your groceries at the grocery store unless you have several acres and free labor to spare. We can't call it a 'victory garden' or a 'freedom garden'(that'd just be too tacky) so what do we call it? I heard 'recovery garden' but thought it was a joke. Any suggestions?

780 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:19:31am

Good morning, lizards. Has anyone heard about the shootout in Pittsburg today? Two cops killed, others wounded. Terrible news.
[Link: www.thepittsburghchannel.com...]

781 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:19:46am

re: #744 3 wood

Anybody sen realwest? I hope he's OK.

He said he was going to take some time off....he was otherwisely OK as of this Early AM, by the Email he sent....

782 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:20:16am

re: #774 Killgore Trout

Speaking of gardening. My aeroponic wasabi transplants are doing fine and starting to show some new root growth after only about 5 days. Wasabi is a very finicky plant and never like to be transplanted but so far so good.

Very ambitious project, Killgore.
Good luck with that.

783 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:20:38am

re: #770 FurryOldGuyJeans

The ideas worked to get a Congressional Republican majority in 1996, it would work in 2010. Sadly the fiscal and governmental reforms promised by the Republicans were either ignored once in office or overturned as they tried to pander to the electorate to win reelection.

Regarding the latest habeas writs being floated for the Gitmo and Afghan detainees I can see the 11th Amendment is effectively dead. Bastards.


I love how the statement laments that this was done 'In the name of Islam."
This is Islam! They need a Reformation, but they don't seem exactly inclined to one.

785 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:21:08am

re: #780 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good morning, lizards. Has anyone heard about the shootout in Pittsburg today? Two cops killed, others wounded. Terrible news.
[Link: www.thepittsburghchannel.com...]

3 dead police, 2 - 5 more wounded. Scumbag in custody.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

786 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:21:10am

re: #780 Pvt Bin Jammin

Three officers down, sorry. CNN was only reporting two. What is the world coming to?

787 Kenneth  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:21:28am

Fools, stand up!

It's time to end the degrading spectacle of April 1


Last week saw that dreaded day of April 1, known derisively as April Fool's Day.

Yes, dreaded. Because for the foolish throughout the world, and especially in Canada, this one day of the year is particularly offensive. They are humiliated, marginalized and degraded.

As you probably know, three provincial human rights commissions, as well as the federal body in Ottawa, have already accepted official complaints and the hearings are due to begin shortly.

Fools have suffered long enough and they're just not going to take it anymore. We're fools, we're here, get used to it.

One of the complainants to the human rights boards released his statement to the media last Wednesday and it makes for compelling and deeply emotional reading.

"I do not remember when I first realized I was a fool. Perhaps I was born that way. I've certainly always felt foolish. I also know that for many years now I have been treated unequally in society and sometimes forced to try to hide my foolishness. People have denied me jobs and insulted me for being a fool. April 1, however, is worse. It's like some black mass for the foolish community, when all of our critics and enemies are given freedom to attack us."

Since then, of course, both the complainant and the human rights commissions involved have removed the phrase "black" from the document, in case it offends the black community in any way.

The word "mass" has been allowed to remain because Roman Catholics, like all Christians, are not a specified protected group under Canada's human rights legislation and thus whatever may be said about them, they cannot officially be insulted.

What is perhaps most hurtful about all this is that some people think the entire response is an overreaction and that fools and so many other Canadians have lost all sense of perspective and their sense of humour. People say we want to stifle free speech and contrary opinion. Not at all. We merely want to silence people who disagree with us.

There is nothing amusing about being a fool. Well, perhaps there is but that's not the point. Fools of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains and your funny hats.

Remember the great poem:
First they came for the fools, but I was not a fool so I said nothing. Then they came for the fairly stupid, but I was not fairly stupid so I said nothing. Then they came for the slightly silly, but I was not slightly silly so I said nothing. Then they came for me, and there was nobody left to speak out.

New alliances are being formed with numerous groups. Easter Bunnies now refuse to be objectified, tooth fairies will not fly around just to entertain the ruling class, witches are burning broomsticks in protest against the corporate exploitation of Halloween and the lack of fair trade policies of the international candy conglomerates.

Tears in my bedroom

Your right to speak is my hurt feelings, your right to joke is my tears in my bedroom, your pretend newspaper stories are my being offended. And everybody in the world has the right to never be offended. Ever.

Think about it long and hard. If you enjoy your freedom, thank a fool. Better still, hug one and tell that fool there is no shame in being an idiot.

788 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:21:29am

re: #778 Irish Rose

Once you get the garden going, an organic garden is simple and cheap to maintain. Composting, cover cropping, companion planting, soil amendment, the use of beneficial insects... techniques that are all pretty much free, and produce superior results.

Provided you're willing to put in the hours of work needed - and not just in Spring when the weather turns nice!

Mind - when I was still able to, I loved the work, especially doing a proper double-digging of a whole big bed ...

789 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:05am

re: #778 Irish Rose

Once you get the garden going, an organic garden is simple and cheap to maintain. Composting, cover cropping, companion planting, soil amendment, the use of beneficial insects... techniques that are all pretty much free, and produce superior results.

There's a very famous book, thoughtfully scanned by Google, called "Farmers of Forty Centuries", that discusses the traditional farming and agricultural techniques of East Asia. It explains in great detail the methods used by these ingenious folk to practice continuous agriculture for centuries on the same land without working it to death. A lot of sound wisdom to their approaches, and it's all natural.

Check it out for yourselves, if you've got the time:

[Link: books.google.com...]

790 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:05am

re: #759 Sharmuta

Video of Taliban flogging girl stirs anger in Pakistan

One of the assumptions of western-style government is that government reserves to itself all legitimate uses of violence. This is the principle that is violated in Pakistan, such that even more or less fervent Islamists might be upset by the tape. It's not that the girl is whipped, but that no judge has sancitioned it.

But remember, Pakistani civil government (if that's what it is), does not even extend to half of the territory, so we can hardly be too shocked that it is ineffective in something like this.

791 Karagush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:14am

I wonder if the WH garden will be be subject to the same regulation if they get the HR-875 passed?
this bill annoys me. Especially the animal keeping portions of it. My gardens goin in too right now. its not so extensive. I am totally jealous.

792 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:17am

re: #778 Irish Rose

Once you get the garden going, an organic garden is simple and cheap to maintain. Composting, cover cropping, companion planting, soil amendment, the use of beneficial insects... techniques that are all pretty much free, and produce superior results.

:eyes glaze over:

Riiiiiight. Whatever you say.

Can I have my math thread now?

793 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:25am

re: #786 Pvt Bin Jammin

Three officers down, sorry. CNN was only reporting two. What is the world coming to?

We've given criminality a pass for too long.

794 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:37am

re: #782 Irish Rose

I'm contemplating expanding the project and possibly make some money from it. But it might not produce results for a year, it might not work in the long run and Although the investment would be pretty modest I don't have a lot of money to spare right now.

795 Dianna  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:38am

re: #788 yma o hyd

I love it when I have absolutely no clue what someone is talking about.

What is double-digging?

796 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:42am

re: #784 Sharmuta

Wind may have forced NKorea to delay rocket launch

I'd rather it been the whirlwind, but I'll take what I can get.

797 Kenneth  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:47am

re: #784 Sharmuta

Wind may have forced NKorea to delay rocket launch

Is that a reference to Obama's warning to make a complaint to the UN?

798 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:22:56am

re: #779 axegrinder

Not so, I have a small patio on the back of my house and grow a lot of nice produce in patio containers. I start the seeds for my patio containers indoors. One .25 cent packet of tomato seeds will yield bushels and bushels of fresh tomatos, as opposed to paying 1.50 per lb. for them at the grocery.

Just saying.

799 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:23:33am

re: #773 Sharmuta

It's too soon to judge the effects of his economic policies. A couple of months is nothing. Let's see what things look like in a year, two years. Short term improvement is great, but it could be fleeting.

Well, I'm confused why the same people who think that we can't drill your way out of an energy crisis, think that we can spend our way out of a Recession. IMO , he is just delaying the Recovery & creating an economic swamp.

800 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:23:35am

N.J. Man Gets Probation in Deaths of 68 Pets

Teymants Walk, and Justice Fails in New Jersey.

801 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:23:41am

re: #785 VegasRick

3 dead police, 2 - 5 more wounded. Scumbag in custody.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Glad they got the POS.

802 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:23:45am

re: #795 Dianna

I love it when I have absolutely no clue what someone is talking about.

What is double-digging?

A labor-intensive method of cultivation of the soil, involving the rotation of the soil and its substructure with a spade, and the inclusion of organic material with the fill.

803 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:24:06am

re: #784 Sharmuta

Wind may have forced NKorea to delay rocket launch

Has anybody seen Joe Biden? Maybe he's our secret weapon!

804 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:24:07am

re: #775 Guanxi88

I like the idea of growing food in one's own garden, but I don't have staff help.
It's a good symbol of self-sufficiency if you don't look too closely at the costs.

One wag at another site asked if he could see photos of the Obama's garden in Chicago.

805 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:24:16am

re: #792 vxbush

:eyes glaze over:

Riiiiiight. Whatever you say.

Can I have my math thread now?

Sure, if the Nitrogen component of an organic fertilizer is x, and the plants require y amount of nitrogen to grow, how many tons of organic fertilizer will be required and how many man hours to spread it?

;-P

806 Dianna  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:24:31am

re: #802 Guanxi88

Thank you.

Now I know why I don't garden.

807 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:24:46am

I was also thinking the government should completely repeal taxes on interest earned from savings accounts in an effort to promote personal savings since we've gone from a savings culture to a debtor culture. Offer an incentive to save, and people will go for it.

808 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:24:50am

re: #789 Guanxi88

There's a very famous book, thoughtfully scanned by Google, called "Farmers of Forty Centuries", that discusses the traditional farming and agricultural techniques of East Asia. It explains in great detail the methods used by these ingenious folk to practice continuous agriculture for centuries on the same land without working it to death. A lot of sound wisdom to their approaches, and it's all natural.

Check it out for yourselves, if you've got the time:

[Link: books.google.com...]

Sounds fascinating.

809 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:24:53am

re: #801 Pvt Bin Jammin

Glad they got the POS.

It's too bad he is still breathing.

810 Karagush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:24:55am

I have called my Garden "the dirtpatch," "My grubbing project" I dunno. I do it cuz its fun. Not to save money.
it is kinda neat to see what works.

811 Kenneth  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:25:03am

re: #798 Irish Rose

And homegrown tomatoes taste 100 times better! I'm looking forward to starting my 4 year old off with his first garden this year. He's excited and talking about the carrots & beans he wants to grow.

812 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:25:16am

re: #784 Sharmuta

Wind may have forced NKorea to delay rocket launch

The Beeb reported this earlier as well.

813 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:25:25am

re: #807 Sharmuta

I was also thinking the government should completely repeal taxes on interest earned from savings accounts in an effort to promote personal savings since we've gone from a savings culture to a debtor culture. Offer an incentive to save, and people will go for it.

Excellent idea.

814 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:25:30am

re: #783 opnion

I love how the statement laments that this was done 'In the name of Islam."
This is Islam! They need a Reformation, but they don't seem exactly inclined to one.

So now the 1st Amendment is dead since they are using Islam to propose governmental policy. Fucking Bastards.

815 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:25:50am

re: #813 jaunte

Sometimes I think I should be working at GOP HQ.

816 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:26:07am

re: #794 Killgore Trout

I'm contemplating expanding the project and possibly make some money from it. But it might not produce results for a year, it might not work in the long run and Although the investment would be pretty modest I don't have a lot of money to spare right now.

What kind of hydroponic equipment are you using?

817 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:26:39am

re: #793 jcm

We've given criminality a pass for too long.

So true.

I worry about the cops near where I live. They are getting threats after shooting and killing an armed parolee a few weeks back.

818 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:26:55am

re: #808 Irish Rose

Sounds fascinating.

It is; the organization of the material's not 100% helpful, though. A better idea would be for someone to go back and re-organize it into a collection, arranged by subject, of the techniques and materials they used. This would be just the sort of thing to provide as technical assistance publications to the developing world, many of whose people have sadly "lost" this sort of traditional knowledge.

819 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:26:58am

re: #811 Kenneth

And homegrown tomatoes taste 100 times better! I'm looking forward to starting my 4 year old off with his first garden this year. He's excited and talking about the carrots & beans he wants to grow.

A chef that cooks carrots and peas in the same pot is disgusting!

820 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:27:40am

re: #815 Sharmuta

There is a lot of government resistance to encouraging increased savings. It might reduce the 'improvement in the economy' if people kept their money.

821 Kenneth  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:27:54am

re: #819 VegasRick

ok.... whatever.

822 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:28:15am

I love peas, and remember shelling them for my gran from her garden.

823 Karagush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:28:30am

re: #820 jaunte

There is a lot of government resistance to encouraging increased savings. It might reduce the 'improvement in the economy' if people kept their money.

also might reduce dependancy of people on the govt. Cant have that.

824 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:28:35am

re: #784 Sharmuta

Wind may have forced NKorea to delay rocket launch

Yeah, they've been suffering from hot air syndrome for years...

825 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:28:43am

re: #820 jaunte

There is a lot of government resistance to encouraging increased savings. It might reduce the 'improvement in the economy' if people kept their money.

Well, but it's not as if the money sitting in a savings account is just a pile of cash; banks lend it out, at interest, after all. There is some activity generated even by saving, in a true capitalist system.

826 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:29:04am

re: #820 jaunte

There is a lot of government resistance to encouraging increased savings. It might reduce the 'improvement in the economy' if people kept their money.

Yes- how dare you want to keep your own money, you Brute. ///

827 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:29:11am

re: #811 Kenneth

And homegrown tomatoes taste 100 times better! I'm looking forward to starting my 4 year old off with his first garden this year. He's excited and talking about the carrots & beans he wants to grow.

I can my own tomatos. During the long winter months I open a quart of 'em and eat them like soup, with bread and butter. It' just doesn't get any better.

828 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:29:56am

re: #795 Dianna

I love it when I have absolutely no clue what someone is talking about.

What is double-digging?

Its ...
Well, when you dig, with a spade, the depth of the balde of the spade is called 'one spit'.
Double digging is digging down two spits.
One removes the first row of double-dug soil, then takes the first spit from the next row and puts it onto the trench just made, then puts the second spit on top - and thus, all the way down the vegetable bed.
The last trench is filled with the soil from the first trench - there you ahve it - a double-dug bed!
Definitely labour-intensive - but extremely valuable for getting rid of weeds - and once raked over its ready for putting all those seeds in!

Those were the days, sigh ...

829 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:30:00am

re: #800 FrogMarch

N.J. Man Gets Probation in Deaths of 68 Pets

Teymants Walk, and Justice Fails in New Jersey.

If only Steven Kings Pet Cemetery was true, these people would be in serious trouble.

830 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:30:12am

re: #807 Sharmuta

I was also thinking the government should completely repeal taxes on interest earned from savings accounts in an effort to promote personal savings since we've gone from a savings culture to a debtor culture. Offer an incentive to save, and people will go for it.

The Federal government should repeal most of the direct individual taxes they have enacted. But we have a Republican for beginning the cycle of taxing the citizens to fund programs to benefit citizens.

831 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:30:18am

re: #825 Guanxi88

I'm burying my hoard of silver torcs under my vegetable garden!

832 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:31:03am

re: #822 Sharmuta

I love peas, and remember shelling them for my gran from her garden.

Fresh homegrown green beans.... killer.

833 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:31:16am

Nobody would be so rash as to propose that organic techniques could ever provide the sheer quantities, on a reliable and cost-effective basis, of food required to maintain the population of the world; simply impractical to even consider it, as too large a portion of the population would have to practice agriculture to make it work.

That said, though, as an alternative or niche item, or simply as a way to supplement the stuff from the market, it's not at all a bad way to go, if possible, to eat organic home-grown.

834 Kenneth  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:31:40am

re: #827 Irish Rose

Good for you! My garden is pretty small, so I don't have enough to preserve. I've tried tomatoes but they have never done well for whatever reason. More compost needed, I guess.

835 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:32:24am

re: #831 jaunte

I'm burying my hoard of silver torcs under my vegetable garden!

Ah, you think we'll be back to hacksilver days, do you?

836 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:32:27am

re: #815 Sharmuta

Sometimes I think I should be working at GOP HQ.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is working at GOP HQ. At least anyone with a functioning neuron, that is. All too often it seems that the GOP is absolutely tone deaf to what's going on around them and doesn't realize that the nation is fed up with corrupt politicos who are interested more in being elected and reelected than doing their damned job.

837 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:32:29am

re: #832 Irish Rose

Fresh homegrown green beans.... killer.

She had rhubarb too- gran's fresh rhubarb pie was one of my favorite desserts.

838 Karagush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:32:57am

re: #832 Irish Rose

Fresh homegrown green beans.... killer.

i can mine. Pickle them with dill garlic and a pepper pod. Ive won prizes and been asked for my hand in marriage over those dilly beans. So simple too. Its shocking. I think i will plan sweet peas too. YOU just gave me that idea. My gramma had them, You reminded me, now i want em. BAD

839 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:32:59am

re: #832 Irish Rose

Fresh homegrown green beans.... killer.

Best with home-grown extra-early potatos - yum yum ....

840 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:33:08am

re: #835 Guanxi88

I hear from 3wood there's a 10% chance...

841 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:33:17am

re: #836 lawhawk

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is working at GOP HQ.

I don't know whether to LMAO or cry.

842 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:33:27am

re: #819 VegasRick

A chef that cooks carrots and peas in the same pot is disgusting!

re: #821 Kenneth

ok.... whatever.

Guess I should have spelled it pees.

843 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:33:54am

re: #838 Karagush

Sharmuta was the one who planted that idea in your head ;).

844 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:33:58am

re: #842 VegasRick

Are they whirred?

845 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:34:20am

re: #843 Irish Rose

Eh- I'm growing accustomed to not getting credit.

846 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:34:22am

I'm sure we can agree on Whirled Peas!

847 Bloodnok  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:35:03am

re: #846 jcm

I'm sure we can agree on Whirled Peas!

Peas and hominy.

848 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:35:04am

re: #845 Sharmuta

Eh- I'm growing accustomed to not getting credit.

yeah, yeah, yeah, we know "consumer & business credit is tight these days", so why shouldn't that extend to the mental economy as well.

849 Karagush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:35:12am

re: #837 Sharmuta

She had rhubarb too- gran's fresh rhubarb pie was one of my favorite desserts.

gotta have a kinda shady place for the Rhubarb
I think i gotta plant some of that too
lol you really got me goin. All the stuff i forgot to put in!

850 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:35:18am

re: #847 Bloodnok

Peas and hominy.

MMMM. Hominy.

851 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:35:51am

NATO nations are reluctant to commit combat troops to Afghanistan.
"An attack on one is an attack on all" We were attacked & it was planned there. Further Europe has suffered attacks.
BHO should say something like, "We were there for you in the last hundred years. I am invoking the mutual defense clause, so how many troops are you sending?"

852 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:36:26am

re: #807 Sharmuta

I was also thinking the government should completely repeal taxes on interest earned from savings accounts in an effort to promote personal savings since we've gone from a savings culture to a debtor culture. Offer an incentive to save, and people will go for it.

We've already got something like that in 401k accounts.

Of course, those are vastly underutilized, even with the copious tax advantages.

I expect even vaster underutilization to emerge when the burden of future taxes based on upcoming deficit spending become apparent.

853 DistantThunder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:37:07am

For anyone who is interested, Our LDS conference is being broadcast live frmo 12:pm
and another session 4pm both Saturday and Sunday.

First talk is on provident living - learning to say "We can't afford it.'

And Thou shall not covet.

854 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:37:18am

re: #825 Guanxi88

Well, but it's not as if the money sitting in a savings account is just a pile of cash; banks lend it out, at interest, after all. There is some activity generated even by saving, in a true capitalist system.

We have not been a true capitalist system for many a decade now, with all the government interventions. What O and Congress are proposing is just to make it more obvious.

855 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:37:35am

I have nothing to contribute to a gardening thread. I have a black thumb.

856 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:37:48am

re: #852 SixDegrees

We've already got something like that in 401k accounts.

Of course, those are vastly underutilized, even with the copious tax advantages.

I expect even vaster underutilization to emerge when the burden of future taxes based on upcoming deficit spending become apparent.

Seems to me that the 401K's, etc., are massive sitting-ducks for confiscation or "one-time" taxation or even nationalization at some point, a la argentina.

857 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:39:23am

re: #798 Irish Rose

Do you eat all those tomatos? Or barter them for greens or squash? I could see how that might work it seems like too much effort to me. I'm a Kroger man myself. Ok, Luby's man.

858 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:39:43am

re: #856 Guanxi88

Seems to me that the 401K's, etc., are massive sitting-ducks for confiscation or "one-time" taxation or even nationalization at some point, a la argentina.

A few congress critters proposed it last year.

859 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:39:50am

re: #816 Irish Rose

What kind of hydroponic equipment are you using?

Our gardening days go way back..After we got out of College and got married we lived on the 2nd floor of a huge Victorian Mansion on Pine Street in Napa.
/135 bucks a month
Anyhoo there was this huge porch enclosed in glass on the second floor..
For all you Napans..It is the Yellow Victorian on Pine..
So we bought about 50 5 gallon buckets and planted Tomato plants in our Hothouse.. It was great..
One day there is a knock on the Door.. It's the Napa Police 4 uniformed and 2 detectives from the drug task force...
It went something like this...
You got something to tell us Hoopster?
No...why?
Can we come in?
Sure..
How you doing hoopster..When is the baby due?
' My God! It's nothing but a shit load of Tomato Plants!'
True story..We still garden

860 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:40:13am

re: #853 DistantThunder

"We can't afford it."

A trillion updings for that thought, and may it somehow penetrate the skulls of our dear leaders.

861 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:40:54am

Another day, another terrorist attack against Israel. This time it was a terrorist attacking an Israeli base in the Negev.

Several hours after IDF soldiers killed two Palestinian terrorists who were trying to plant a bomb along the Gaza border fence, Border Police forces killed a terrorist who tried to carry out a shooting attack at their base in the Negev on Saturday afternoon.

At approximately 2 p.m. Saturday, a Palestinian woman armed with a rifle arrived at the Border Police base near the Shoket Junction between Beersehba and Arad, and opened fire at the soldiers.

The soldiers returned fire and managed to kill the terrorist. No soldiers were wounded in the incident.

Meanwhile, the UN decided to put a Jewish judge in charge of investigating Israeli "war crimes" in Gaza. Gee, that'll work. Instead of investigating Hamas terrorist war crimes, the evidence of which is abundant, they're going after Israel and hope that putting a Jewish judge will somehow diffuse the fact that it's a witch hunt against Jews. Nice.

862 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:41:56am

re: #833 Guanxi88

Nobody would be so rash as to propose that organic techniques could ever provide the sheer quantities, on a reliable and cost-effective basis, of food required to maintain the population of the world; simply impractical to even consider it, as too large a portion of the population would have to practice agriculture to make it work.

That said, though, as an alternative or niche item, or simply as a way to supplement the stuff from the market, it's not at all a bad way to go, if possible, to eat organic home-grown.

True.

For an excellent, detailed look at this and related problems, I'd recommend "The Omnivore's Dilemma" by Michael Pollan.

One gigantic problem with commercial agriculture as it is currently practiced: it is based entirely on cheap oil, which not only runs the machinery needed to plant, till and harvest, but is also used to produce the huge quantities of fertilizers and pesticides employed. Cheap food - surely one of mankind's most stunning achievements in the 20th century - is currently tightly coupled to cheap oil.

Pollan also details how the current demand for "organic" produce is a sham that is every bit as destructive of the environment, perhaps more so, as the much-maligned commercial practices it is supposed to be a response to.

863 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:42:54am

re: #860 jaunte

"We can't afford it."

A trillion updings for that thought, and may it somehow penetrate the skulls of our dear leaders.

Won't happen.

They are smarter than the rest of us.

They must take care of us.

I wish I could say that was sarc.

864 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:43:15am

re: #854 FurryOldGuyJeans

We have not been a true capitalist system for many a decade now, with all the government interventions. What O and Congress are proposing is just to make it more obvious.

Reminded me of this: "The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other." - Ronald Reagan

865 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:43:30am

re: #859 HoosierHoops

I had heard that people's homes were getting raided because they bought excessive amounts of indoor gardening supplies, like lights, hydroponics, etc. I keep waiting for the knock at my door, since I have flourescent lights a plenty in my basement. It's only a bunch of african violets and orchids, so they will be disappointed (unless they like flowers).

866 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:43:37am

re: #857 axegrinder

Do you eat all those tomatos? Or barter them for greens or squash? I could see how that might work it seems like too much effort to me. I'm a Kroger man myself. Ok, Luby's man.

I do patio gardening and only have room for about eight plants, so I don't utilize the potential of a full seed packet.

We eat them fresh, and I take some over to the local food pantry to share. I can what I have on the vines in August/September, usually a couple of bushels. More than enough for a small family.

867 Dianna  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:43:41am

re: #863 jcm

I'll take care of myself, thanks anyway, government.

868 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:44:10am

re: #855 vxbush

I have nothing to contribute to a gardening thread. I have a black thumb.

We have a black president.

869 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:44:37am

re: #856 Guanxi88

Seems to me that the 401K's, etc., are massive sitting-ducks for confiscation or "one-time" taxation or even nationalization at some point, a la argentina.

Quite possible. Large piles of untaxed money tend to attract politician's attention. There's already been talk of eliminating the reduction in personal income that comes with 401k contributions, providing an enormous boost in tax revenues without actually "raising" taxes. Grabbing a huge chunk of the accumulated pile by taxing it retroactively is just a small step after that.

870 Dianna  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:44:46am

re: #866 Irish Rose

Have you ever tried salted tomatoes? I think I can find the recipe.

871 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:44:51am

re: #867 Dianna

I'll take care of myself, thanks anyway, government.

9 scariest words in the English language are; “I’m from the government and I’m here to help."
RWR

872 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:44:59am

Alan Colmes is on FNC right now defending Britain, France & Germany for not sending troops to Afhanistan.
He said & I am not making it up,that "The Allies supported us in World War II. We liberated France, saved Britrain & freed Germany!
Colmes is an idiot & if you have heard his radio program , he is a mean idiot.

873 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:45:15am

The past couple of days VH1 has been running "The Top 100 80's One Hit Wonders", and I am pleasantly surprised to discover how many of those one hit wonder songs I remember and actually enjoy.

874 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:45:29am

re: #859 HoosierHoops

LMAO

875 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:46:22am

re: #855 vxbush

I have nothing to contribute to a gardening thread. I have a black thumb.


Can ya grow a Pizza garden?

876 Truck Monkey  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:46:26am

re: #842 VegasRick

Guess I should have spelled it pees.

Way way funny! I get it, and if you don't mind, stealing it!

877 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:46:32am

re: #855 vxbush

I have nothing to contribute to a gardening thread. I have a black thumb.

My mother used to think she had a green thumb, but she truly was the Grim Reaper of gardening.

878 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:46:36am

re: #870 Dianna

Have you ever tried salted tomatoes? I think I can find the recipe.

Not sure what you're referring to?

879 gregg  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:46:58am

Looks like Hillary gave out a phone number from Bill's quick dial list:

White House apologises after calls to Hillary Clinton were redirected to a sex line

U.S.-based reporters had been given a special phone number by the White House to join a conference call with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - who was in London - ahead of the Nato summit.

But the woman's voice they heard when they dialled was offering something very different to politics.

'Do you have any hidden desires?' she asked. 'If you feel like getting nasty, then you came to the right place'.


[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

880 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:48:04am

re: #879 gregg

Looks like Hillary gave out a phone number from Bill's quick dial list:


[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Or maybe her own.

881 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:48:04am

re: #879 gregg

Ooops.

882 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:48:24am

The Kid likes to pick a tomato, rinse it off with the garden hose and then eat it like an apple.

883 Dianna  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:48:35am

re: #878 Irish Rose

Not sure what you're referring to?

It's a preservation method. I've seen it used on both lemons and tomatoes. Hang on while I do a quick search.

884 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:49:32am

re: #882 MandyManners

The Kid likes to pick a tomato, rinse it off with the garden hose and then eat it like an apple.

Now I'm pining away for August.

885 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:49:55am

re: #875 opnion

Can ya grow a Pizza garden?

I can grow nothing. i have killed cactus plants.

886 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:51:31am

re: #885 vxbush

I can grow nothing. i have killed cactus plants.

Get weather reports from Arizona, and when you see they had rain-fall water the cactus. I did that when I had cacti and the buggers flourished.

887 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:51:58am

re: #885 vxbush

I can grow nothing. i have killed cactus plants.


Too bad, cause if pizza gardens were possible, I was going to run out for the seeds.

888 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:52:06am

re: #884 Irish Rose

Now I'm pining away for August.

Tomatoes and tomato plants have the loveliest aromas.

889 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:52:10am

re: #885 vxbush

I can grow nothing. i have killed cactus plants.

You hereby are convicted of herbicide in the 1st degree!
You are remanded to the custody of Irish Rose for remedial gardening!

890 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:52:18am

Just for fun, this year's garden will have 'peter peppers'.

[Link: www.jungseed.com...]

891 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:52:36am

re: #865 VioletTiger

I had heard that people's homes were getting raided because they bought excessive amounts of indoor gardening supplies, like lights, hydroponics, etc. I keep waiting for the knock at my door, since I have flourescent lights a plenty in my basement. It's only a bunch of african violets and orchids, so they will be disappointed (unless they like flowers).

Friggin Wal-Mart is probably narc'ng people out..LOL
People think we are crazy transfering out here from California..And my heart will always be in Napa Valley.. and all our family is there including one girl still in College at UC Davis..
You can't beat the quality of life here in Dollars..We have a big house, property, A Swimming pool and hot tub..a huge barn..For the same amount of money as you could get a crack house in the Valley.
I figure I'll be a real hoosier when i get a pickup truck with a gun rack...
They love Basketball here..With a passion..It's like heaven

892 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:52:42am

Has anyone seen White Rasta lately?

893 opnion  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:53:09am

Later gators, I have to pick up my hound at the vet.

894 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:53:09am

A lot of Republicans are out there criticizing this project.... can't they find something more constructive to do?

Seriously.

895 Dianna  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:54:19am

I cannot find the recipe for Moroccan Salted Lemons/tomatoes/whatever you want to preserve.

I'm annoyed.

My friend who does this stuff promised he'd tagged it and archived it.

896 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:54:33am

re: #888 debutaunt

Tomatoes and tomato plants have the loveliest aromas.

Why thank you!

Spending tomorrow at my sister's reframing the garden plot - we're enlarging it this year. Hoping to be able to supplement the summer groceries in a big way.

897 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:54:56am

re: #884 Irish Rose

Now I'm pining away for August.

I can taste it now.

There's nothing like a grilled T-bone, a baked potato, a salad with garden-grown stuff, steamed asparagus from the farmer's market and a plate filled with sliced garden-grown tomatoes.

898 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:55:13am

re: #891 HoosierHoops

Friggin Wal-Mart is probably narc'ng people out..LOL

Electric company, most likely. When people get grow lamps the surge in usage is HUGE, and the politicians in CA are already trying to mandate what people can use.

899 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:55:35am

re: #897 MandyManners

I can taste it now.

There's nothing like a grilled T-bone, a baked potato, a salad with garden-grown stuff, steamed asparagus from the farmer's market and a plate filled with sliced garden-grown tomatoes.

OMG.. stop! You're killing me!

900 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:55:51am

re: #862 SixDegrees

Or we could grow corn to run the machines./ Some genius actually thought this would lower oil prices without affecting food prices. Our government at work.

901 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:56:27am

re: #890 VioletTiger

I grew Piquin Rat Turds once. The plant must have lasted 3-4 years.

902 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:56:37am

re: #889 jcm

You hereby are convicted of herbicide in the 1st degree!
You are remanded to the custody of Irish Rose for remedial gardening!

Egads. That seems like a fate worse than death. Not hanging with Irish Rose, but the gardening.

I refuse to allow dirt anywhere near my laptop.

903 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:56:54am

re: #898 FurryOldGuyJeans

Electric company, most likely. When people get grow lamps the surge in usage is HUGE, and the politicians in CA are already trying to mandate what people can use.

Way I hear it, most pot growers have a small electric generator to power up their basement operation.

904 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:57:09am

re: #895 Dianna

I cannot find the recipe for Moroccan Salted Lemons/tomatoes/whatever you want to preserve.

I'm annoyed.

My friend who does this stuff promised he'd tagged it and archived it.

Moroccan Preserved Lemons

905 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:57:11am

re: #902 vxbush

Egads. That seems like a fate worse than death. Not hanging with Irish Rose, but the gardening.

I refuse to allow dirt anywhere near my laptop.

First course: weeding 101

906 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:57:19am

re: #897 MandyManners

I can taste it now.

There's nothing like a grilled T-bone, a baked potato, a salad with garden-grown stuff, steamed asparagus from the farmer's market and a plate filled with sliced garden-grown tomatoes.

The very first tomatoes go into a BLT, which happens to be the most balanced meal ever.

907 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:57:46am

re: #895 Dianna

I cannot find the recipe for Moroccan Salted Lemons/tomatoes/whatever you want to preserve.

I'm annoyed.

My friend who does this stuff promised he'd tagged it and archived it.

Dirt simple - here's the traditional method: [Link: www.seasonalchef.com...]

Not sure about tomatoes, but I'd guess it's similar.

908 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:58:21am

re: #903 shanec99

Way I hear it, most pot growers have a small electric generator to power up their basement operation.

And the electric companies see a sudden decrease in usage is also a tip-off.

909 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:58:32am

re: #898 FurryOldGuyJeans

Electric company, most likely. When people get grow lamps the surge in usage is HUGE, and the politicians in CA are already trying to mandate what people can use.

I have two, on timers. Group the ficus, palms, etc. under them in the winter. In the summer, everyone goes out on the deck and the lights take the season off.

910 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:58:39am

re: #894 Irish Rose

A lot of Republicans are out there criticizing this project.... can't they find something more constructive to do?

Seriously.

Well, I tried a bit of warmongering this morning, but that didn't fly.

The only gardening tip I can offer is to avoid locating it next to the north side of ones home. On that note, any idea where the WH garden is?

911 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:59:12am

re: #899 Irish Rose

OMG.. stop! You're killing me!

For desert, a bowl of sliced strawberries picked at a local berry patch. Topped with a dollop of freshly whipped cream. Or, a cobbler made with local peaches.

912 Dianna  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:59:15am

re: #904 FurryOldGuyJeans

That's not quite the same, but thanks!

913 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:59:18am

re: #906 debutaunt

The very first tomatoes go into a BLT, which happens to be the most balanced meal ever.

Pizza is the most balanced meal ever, all the food groups. ;)

914 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:59:22am

re: #904 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wow, that really looks interesting.

915 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:59:48am

re: #913 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pizza is the most balanced meal ever, all the food groups. ;)

Pizza & Beer.

Don't forget the Beer.

916 vxbush  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:59:54am

re: #911 MandyManners

For desert, a bowl of sliced strawberries picked at a local berry patch. Topped with a dollop of freshly whipped cream. Or, a cobbler made with local peaches.

Now I'll take the strawberries and cream. Yum, yum.

917 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:59:58am

re: #904 FurryOldGuyJeans

Those are fantastic. You can make tagine with pretty much anything you have laying around. Lamb is really good.

918 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:00:07am

re: #906 debutaunt

The very first tomatoes go into a BLT, which happens to be the most balanced meal ever.

*drool*

Have you ever had one with avacado slices?

919 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:00:20am

re: #900 axegrinder

Or we could grow corn to run the machines./ Some genius actually thought this would lower oil prices without affecting food prices. Our government at work.


yes it affects food prices (for us, but also for arid regions that can grow their own food) and it reduces them amount of oil we import (marginally). So we force the oil producing nations to pay more for food, and we are slightly less dependent on them for energy. its a start.

920 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:00:23am

re: #912 Dianna

That's not quite the same, but thanks!

A quick yahoo! search turned that up so I was a bit hesitant it was the same, but thought I would share it anyway. ;)

921 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:01:08am

re: #918 MandyManners

*drool*

Have you ever had one with avacado slices?

What would that be? A BLAT?

922 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:01:16am

re: #916 vxbush

Now I'll take the strawberries and cream. Yum, yum.

I might hafta' to go the grocery store and pick up some.

923 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:01:29am

re: #908 FurryOldGuyJeans

And the electric companies see a sudden decrease in usage is also a tip-off.


Damn, then I should never go on an extended vacation.

924 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:01:41am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

Are they hot?
I grew Italian long hots last summer and I still have a big container of them dried. They are really hot. The year before it was habeneras, and they were so hot, they became more of a practical joke than food.

925 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:01:46am

re: #910 abolitionist

Well, I tried a bit of warmongering this morning, but that didn't fly.

The only gardening tip I can offer is to avoid locating it next to the north side of ones home. On that note, any idea where the WH garden is?

Located somewhere near the Obamas private quarters, and visible from the main road. That's all I know.

926 Dianna  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:01:49am

re: #920 FurryOldGuyJeans

A quick yahoo! search turned that up so I was a bit hesitant it was the same, but thought I would share it anyway. ;)

Thanks, it's good.

927 Bloodnok  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:02:09am

re: #918 MandyManners

*drool*

Have you ever had one with avacado slices?

It's a shame the "BLAT" doesn't have the same ring to it. Sounds tasty, though.

928 kansas  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:02:21am

re: #897 MandyManners

I can taste it now.

There's nothing like a grilled T-bone, a baked potato, a salad with garden-grown stuff, steamed asparagus from the farmer's market and a plate filled with sliced garden-grown tomatoes.

Hey. You might like this. When I grill steaks I get fresh asparagus. Drizzle a bit of oil on it, and then shake some Montreal Steak seasoning on it. I put it on a lifter on the grill, so it doesn't burn or cook too fast, and let it cook with the steaks. After the steaks are done I put them on the asparagus to let the flavor dip on it. Blows the diet but its pretty good. A detective friend of mine who won't eat veggies will eat that.

929 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:02:30am

re: #924 VioletTiger

Yeah, they're pretty hot. The Thais love em.

930 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:02:33am

re: #921 Killer Tomato

What would that be? A BLAT?

Yep.

931 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:02:42am

re: #915 jcm

Pizza & Beer.

Don't forget the Beer.

I am not a beer drinker, so forgetting the beer is second nature to me. ;)

932 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:03:11am

re: #927 Bloodnok

It's a shame the "BLAT" doesn't have the same ring to it. Sounds tasty, though.

It is.

933 Bloodnok  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:03:12am

re: #927 Bloodnok

re: #921 Killer Tomato

What would that be? A BLAT?

Git outta mah wavelength!

/

934 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:03:37am

Feels much better to be talking about gardening and good food this afternoon than the economy, don't ya'll think?

935 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:03:59am

re: #933 Bloodnok

Sorry - been having computer issues all morning.

936 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:04:16am

re: #928 kansas

Hey. You might like this. When I grill steaks I get fresh asparagus. Drizzle a bit of oil on it, and then shake some Montreal Steak seasoning on it. I put it on a lifter on the grill, so it doesn't burn or cook too fast, and let it cook with the steaks. After the steaks are done I put them on the asparagus to let the flavor dip on it. Blows the diet but its pretty good. A detective friend of mine who won't eat veggies will eat that.

Sounds interesting but I prefer the green taste of vegetables.

937 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:04:47am

re: #931 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am not a beer drinker, so forgetting the beer is second nature to me. ;)

LOL!

938 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:04:55am

re: #923 shanec99

Damn, then I should never go on an extended vacation.

Extended vacations would have the cops checking out the residence.

For that matter I remember the days when people going on vacation used to tell the local police so they would do a cruise by to check on a regular basis. And you could get a report of the cruise bys.

939 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:05:31am

re: #934 Irish Rose

One thing everybody agrees on. We all love good food.

940 Bloodnok  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:06:15am

re: #928 kansas

Hey. You might like this. When I grill steaks I get fresh asparagus. Drizzle a bit of oil on it, and then shake some Montreal Steak seasoning on it. I put it on a lifter on the grill, so it doesn't burn or cook too fast, and let it cook with the steaks. After the steaks are done I put them on the asparagus to let the flavor dip on it. Blows the diet but its pretty good. A detective friend of mine who won't eat veggies will eat that.

Mmm. Asparagus. I may need to walk over to Haymarket and get some asparagus yo cook with dinner tonight.

941 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:06:26am

re: #925 Irish Rose

Located somewhere near the Obamas private quarters, and visible from the main road. That's all I know.

Here's a map showing the garden location:
[Link: ecorealty.blogspot.com...]

942 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:08:06am

I think I will submit my tomato-basil cream sauce recipe for the next cookbook. I grow the tomatoes and basil and make it fresh, then freeze or can a ton of it to use all year.

Gotta scoot--have a great day.

943 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:09:12am

re: #926 Dianna

Thanks, it's good.

CookingByNumbers.com is good if you know what you have in your fridge and shelves, but don't have a clue what you can make of it all.

944 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:11:26am

I'm off for a while, laundry and other necessary tasks await.
Have a good day, folks.

945 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:13:03am

War of the World ftw.

946 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:13:13am

re: #940 Bloodnok

Mmm. Asparagus. I may need to walk over to Haymarket and get some asparagus yo cook with dinner tonight.

Are you in downtown Boston?

947 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:21:26am

re: #913 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pizza is the most balanced meal ever, all the food groups. ;)

A BELT, which includes a fried egg, is as nicely balanced.

948 gmsc  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:37:06am

re: #913 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pizza is the most balanced meal ever, all the food groups. ;)

Yum!

Trivia: If a pizza has a radius of z, and a thickness of a, then the formula for its volume is pi * z * z * a!


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