Without a care? Ooooookay...

Obama says reaching our to enemies strengthens the US.

No whistling! DHS will hear you!
Shhhh....

What could possibly go wrong?

I have too many cares in the world. Care to carry that weight?

re: #2 NYCHardhat

Obama says reaching our to enemies strengthens the US.

he also says raising taxes on business creates jobs...

Charles,
One quick question. If I was to purchase on of your many albums, which one would you recommend? Ok, one more. I've searched for your music in iTunes and it doesn't return much. Can I get your music off of iTunes or do I have to do it the old fashioned way?
Thanks,
JP1101

Highly recommend this book.

re: #7 Jetpilot1101

Charles,
One quick question. If I was to purchase on of your many albums, which one would you recommend? Ok, one more. I've searched for your music in iTunes and it doesn't return much. Can I get your music off of iTunes or do I have to do it the old fashioned way?
Thanks,
JP1101

Try this.

Charles is said to have played on this album.

Good afternoon lizards. Summer has apparently arrived here in So Cal. My thermometer says 91, in the shade.

re: #9 NYCHardhat

Thanks, I'll look into it.

Tiptoeing thru the tulips on a Sunday afternoon ...

Just a happy-go-lucky open thread, as we whistle down the lane without a care in the world...

I just figured out why there are so many crashes in NASCAR. No brake lights. Duh.
/

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I thought we purged the Birchers!

re: #12 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Tiptoeing thru the tulips on a Sunday afternoon ...

We have raised a few pigs from weaners for the freezer. The first time we got one and called him Tiptoe. The following year we got 2, they were named Tiptoe and, of course, Tulip.

re: #15 davinvalkri

No, we just birched the purgers.

re: #15 davinvalkri

I thought we purged the Birchers!

Nope, I thought they were gone for good too. They're back in a big way.

Damned Right Wing Republicans! Or was it the Jews?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I just got called Sharmuta in drag over at ace of spades what does that even mean

yea! open thread.
wifes napping, kids watching a movie and I have the computer all to myself.
I can blog up a storm here on lgf
.
.
.
.
crap. I got nuthin :(

re: #21 SpaceJesus

I just got called Sharmuta in drag over at ace of spades what does that even mean

They don't like you either.

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Nope, I thought they were gone for good too. They're back in a big way.

They were sitting on the sidelines biding their time, slowly disseminating conspiracy theories little by little. They have now hooked a big enough percentage of the public on little things. Now they are taking it up a notch.

re: #21 SpaceJesus

I just got called Sharmuta in drag over at ace of spades what does that even mean

It means your Karma is going backwards, over there, just as it has, here.

Back to school for you!

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I wandered over to the JBS website. Can you all please tell me what the problem with them is? I haven't dug around their site too much so if you could point me in the direction of the really objectionable stuff, I'd be very appreciative.

Disclaimer: I am in no way endorsing the JBS, I just don't know what has caused them to be a pariah over here at LGF.

re: #22 NYCHardhat

so what.

The Birch Society is back.

re: #20 VegasRick

Seriously. The Tea Parties, Napolitano's apology, etc. all just lead to another..."Yeah, but the Republicans are still all (fill in name of unacceptable group here)"!

Whatever. Maybe they'll dig themselves so far back into their own distorted history that they'll figure out the truth. Kinda like the 10,000 monkeys/10,000 years /10,000 typewriters thing.

re: #21 SpaceJesus

You have been accused of being intelligent and having a strong personality.

Not a bad standard to seek .

re: #7 Jetpilot1101

Charles,
One quick question. If I was to purchase on of your many albums, which one would you recommend? Ok, one more. I've searched for your music in iTunes and it doesn't return much. Can I get your music off of iTunes or do I have to do it the old fashioned way?
Thanks,
JP1101

School Days is a pretty good one. Also "Reach for It" by George Duke, if you like funkier stuff.

Yo, Charles! How's the new digs?

re: #31 Charles

School Days is a pretty good one. Also "Reach for It" by George Duke, if you like funkier stuff.

Thanks a million.

Happy Sunday everyone!

BBIAW

re: #21 SpaceJesus

I just got called Sharmuta in drag over at ace of spades what does that even mean

There could be multiple meanings depending on whether it was meant literally or figuratively.

Vegas Rick summed it up nicely in #24 for you.

re: #21 SpaceJesus

I just got called Sharmuta in drag over at ace of spades what does that even mean

Bwahahahaha!

Simple worries.

"Weird Al" Yankovic - Trapped in the Drive-Thru

re: #34 Afrocity

Hey there!
it has been a happy sunday
nothing like a lazy rainy sunday to kick back and chill

Some of Weird Al's stuff is better than the original.

re: #39 rain of lead

I know. I haven't left home all weekend. That is sad.

Ok. where is pre-Boomer Marine brat? I told him to meet me over here...

re: #40 NonNativeTexan

Some of Weird Al's stuff is better than the original.

They see me mowin...my front lawn...
I know they're all thinking I'm so white and nerdy...
Woo!

What the hell just happened?

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I saw that on Audible and it look intriguing. Not anymore.

I've very good friend who is very nervous about BHO and fears what he is going to do. I asked him what he had been feeding his brain and turns out he is on a steady diet of talk radio etc. I asked what was he reading and he replied he had just bought Corsi' book "Obamanation." I told him to drop the book and start studying the history of the country instead.

re: #44 NYCHardhat

What the hell just happened?

to what?

re: #41 Afrocity

naa, just more time to hang out here :)

re: #27 Jetpilot1101

John Birch Society

The John Birch Society was established in Indianapolis, Indiana on December 9, 1958 by a group of twelve men led by Robert Welch, Jr., a retired candy manufacturer from Belmont, Massachusetts. One founding member was Fred Koch, founder of Koch Industries, one of the largest private corporations in America. Another was Revilo Pendleton Oliver, a University of Illinois professor who later co-founded the "white nationalist" National Alliance.
....
According to Welch, "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order, managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'"
....
By the time of Welch's death in 1985, the Birch Society's membership, and influence, had dramatically declined, but the UN's role in the Gulf War and President George H. W. Bush's call for a 'New World Order' appeared to many JBS members to validate their claims about a "One World Government" conspiracy. Growing right-wing populism in the United States helped The John Birch Society position itself for a comeback, and by 1995, its membership had grown to more than 55,000

They are conspiracy nuts and racists.

re: #31 Charles

School Days is a pretty good one. Also "Reach for It" by George Duke, if you like funkier stuff.

So when people say that Charles shreds on guitar, they're talking about clawmarks on the fretboard, right?

re: #43 davinvalkri

They see me mowin...my front lawn...
I know they're all thinking I'm so white and nerdy...
Woo!

# 14, 16, and 22.

re: #45 calcajun

People are getting a lot of bad information these days.

re: #42 goddessoftheclassroom

Ok. where is pre-Boomer Marine brat? I told him to meet me over here...

He gave you a hug and signed off on the last thread.

re: #52 Killgore Trout

You can say that again.

re: #40 NonNativeTexan

Such as
Like A surgeon

re: #49 haakondahl

So when people say that Charles shreds on guitar, they're talking about clawmarks on the fretboard, right?

Lizards dont need picks. They got claws.

re: #53 callahan23

He gave you a hug and signed off on the last thread.

Thanks--I missed that!

Say what you will. I don't endorse racism or conspiracy nuts if that is what the JBS is. I'm for small government, strong defense, and low taxes. If that makes me a bad guy. We are all fucked.

re: #54 Lincolntf

People are getting a lot of bad information these days.

re: #51 NYCHardhat

# 14, 16, and 22.

Killgore posted and you and I replied to a link that I think Charles didn't want here.

re: #53 callahan23

He gave you a hug and signed off on the last thread.

You know you made the top 10 comments?

re: #60 VegasRick

Killgore posted and you and I replied to a link that I think Charles didn't want here.

All because I read Liberty and Tyranny?

re: #62 NYCHardhat

All because I read Liberty and Tyranny?

No, I think it was Killgores link to the birchers.

re: #62 NYCHardhat

All because I read Liberty and Tyranny?

Is that the Levine book? I have been meaning to get that. I have a lot of catching up to do. Still reading Fleeced.

re: #62 NYCHardhat

(((HARDHAT)))

re: #61 DEZes

You know you made the top 10 comments?

Fuck yeah Callahan.

re: #65 DEZes

(((HARDHAT)))

I'm so pissed dude.

re: #67 NYCHardhat

I'm so pissed dude.

Why are you pissed?

Car got broken into last night/this morning. My fault though since I didn't lock my doors... Guy only took the Vehicle registration book in the glove compartment and a music bag thankfully. Shouldn't be that hard to recover from this mess.

Ugh.

re: #63 VegasRick

No, I think it was Killgores link to the birchers.

I know. But according to him, he who buys L&T buys a JBS book. So if I agree with a white supremacist about low taxes, I'm a white supremacist?

re: #61 DEZes

You know you made the top 10 comments?

Thanks you told me. Didn't cross my mind to check on up that comment of mine.
Wnted to up-ding yours and Shugs comments on that list but double-dinging is not possible. ;-(

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Thanks KT. The have obviously camouflaged their true intentions much like the CCC has also done. Thanks again.

Umm........Tea Party haters..........Umm...Well............
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Axelrod was asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" for his opinion on what the show's host described as "this spreading and very public disaffection with not only the government, but especially the Obama administration."

Axelrod replied: "I think any time that you have severe economic conditions, there is always an element of disaffection that can mutate into something that's unhealthy."

re: #68 DEZes

Why are you pissed?

Its like 'Nam....no rules anymore.

(apologies for anyone who actually was in 'Nam. You have my utmost respect)

re: #71 callahan23

Thanks you told me. Didn't cross my mind to check on up that comment of mine.
Wnted to up-ding yours and Shugs comments on that list but double-dinging is not possible. ;-(

LOL, just glad to see you there. ;)

re: #64 Afrocity

Is that the Levine book? I have been meaning to get that. I have a lot of catching up to do. Still reading Fleeced.

Yes. Its very good.

re: #73 VegasRick

Umm........Tea Party haters..........Umm...Well............
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Axelrod was asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" for his opinion on what the show's host described as "this spreading and very public disaffection with not only the government, but especially the Obama administration."

Axelrod replied: "I think any time that you have severe economic conditions, there is always an element of disaffection that can mutate into something that's unhealthy."

Sounds like the very mutation that got Obama elected.

re: #70 NYCHardhat

I know. But according to him, he who buys L&T buys a JBS book. So if I agree with a white supremacist about low taxes, I'm a white supremacist?

According to some around here. I'm with you.

re: #74 NYCHardhat

Its like 'Nam....no rules anymore.

(apologies for anyone who actually was in 'Nam. You have my utmost respect)

The rules are still there, the immoral simply ignore them.
Have a beer, and enjoy the Sunday my friend.

re: #69 wiffersnapper

Car got broken into last night/this morning. My fault though since I didn't lock my doors... Guy only took the Vehicle registration book in the glove compartment and a music bag thankfully. Shouldn't be that hard to recover from this mess.

Ugh.

{wiffersnapper}

re: #77 Afrocity

Sounds like the very mutation that got Obama elected.

"Unhealthy?" the moderator repeated.

"This is a country where we value our liberties and our ability to express ourselves. And so far these are expressions," Axelrod answered.

Can't answer a straight question either.

re: #60 VegasRick

Ooops. My bad.

re: #80 goddessoftheclassroom

{wiffersnapper}

That means "hug wiffersnapper", right? If so,
[wiffersnapper]

re: #73 VegasRick

Umm........Tea Party haters..........Umm...Well............
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Axelrod was asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" for his opinion on what the show's host described as "this spreading and very public disaffection with not only the government, but especially the Obama administration."

Axelrod replied: "I think any time that you have severe economic conditions, there is always an element of disaffection that can mutate into something that's unhealthy."

Did they do a follow up question as to what is unhealthy about the tea parties?

Burning cars in France is unhealthy in my books.

re: #79 DEZes

The rules are still there, the immoral simply ignore them.
Have a beer, and enjoy the Sunday my friend.

I'm 4 deep. I have 8 more left.

A good friend of mine had a birthday yesterday, and asked for no "stuff", but rather donations to her favorite charity via Facebook.

She has 760+ FB "friends" and has so far raised less than a third of her modest target of $360, though she put out the request over a week ago.

Any Lizards who feel like a little tzedakah, please click the link.

Thank you.

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Ooops. My bad.

Me too.

re: #62 NYCHardhat

No, it was my link to the 5,000 year leap.

re: #85 NYCHardhat

I'm 4 deep. I have 8 more left.

Just cracked the top on number 2.
Ill drink to your four. ;)

re: #83 davinvalkri

That means "hug wiffersnapper", right? If so,
[wiffersnapper]

Yes, it does. I am a strong believers in hugs. Babies whose physical needs are met but who are not held and cuddled do not thrive. I think the same applies to all of us.

re: #85 NYCHardhat

I'm 4 deep. I have 8 more left.

8 more left? the powers that be are telling you to get a pizza ;)

re: #84 Born Again Republican

Did they do a follow up question as to what is unhealthy about the tea parties?

Burning cars in France is unhealthy in my books.

re: #81 VegasRick

"Unhealthy?" the moderator repeated.

"This is a country where we value our liberties and our ability to express ourselves. And so far these are expressions," Axelrod answered.

Can't answer a straight question either.

re: #90 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, it does. I am a strong believers in hugs. Babies whose physical needs are met but who are not held and cuddled do not thrive. I think the same applies to all of us.

Yeah, I remember seeing the testing on that. Poor monkeys...

re: #89 DEZes

Just cracked the top on number 2.
Ill drink to your four. ;)

I am in there with you both with my usual tumbler of Jameson. :-)

re: #93 taxfreekiller

Lurch?

I like the Stanley Clarke albums better for guitar mix, the Duke albums are great as well but the guitar isn't as upfront, more piano/funk but great to listen to as well.

On another topic, who the heck was Jeannie Shrimpton?

re: #90 goddessoftheclassroom

Before the sexual harassment , pc craze.
Our department went on a team building outing, we
were encouraged to hug each other. I think there is something to it.

re: #95 callahan23

I am in there with you both with my usual tumbler of Jameson. :-)

Ill drink to that too. :)

re: #94 davinvalkri

Yeah, I remember seeing the testing on that. Poor monkeys...

I didn't see that study; I read the reports of Romanian and Russian orphanages.

re: #90 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, it does. I am a strong believers in hugs. Babies whose physical needs are met but who are not held and cuddled do not thrive. I think the same applies to all of us.

There you go {goddess} a heartfelt one.

re: #93 taxfreekiller

DHS

There in the U.S. Senate.
ya know, the one all dressed up in his wife's money
ya know, the one who lied under oath before the Senate
ya know, the one who was in Ok. City when the Vietnam vets against the war voted to kill U.S. Senators and Congressmen
ya know the one who lied about all his awards and citations,
ya know the one who met with the VC and NVA during the Viet Nam WAR,
while still in the U.S. Navy Reserve
ya know the one Carter had to issue the new improved DD-214

thats all the hints you going to get

now do your job

Al Sharpton? Oh wait! I got it! I just remembered. It's John K.......................................was that a squirrel that ran by?

re: #101 callahan23

There you go {goddess} a heartfelt one.

That's so sweet!

By the way, Blenn Beck wrote the forward to the copy of the 5,000 year leap that is being sold on amazon. The video of the "Burn the Books" Tea Party one lady makes a speech and recommends that everybody should read it. The Birch Society were the initial supporters of the Fair Tax that's so popular with Paulians and Tea Partiers. They also endorsed the idea of abolishing the Federal Reserve that's gaining popularity. If you want to understand why conservatives have gone so crazy with conspiracy theories and bad ideas you need look no further that Ron Paul and the Birch Society. It also explains why Alex Jones and Stormfront are getting involved in the Tea Party scene.

CHARLES ,,, seeing that this is an open thread, may I ask you a question?

I'm not sure what ,,, umm,, "vintage" you are but I do know you toured as a musician, esp. jazz, if I'm correct..
Did you ever pass through the Boston area in the mid to late 70's, early 80's? The reason I ask is our paths may have crossed, if only tangentially. I used to do contract work for Sandys in Beverly Mass and Pauls Mall in Boston

Howdy.

Just watching Gen. Hayden on Fox News Sunday. He really seems like one of the good guys.

re: #100 goddessoftheclassroom

I didn't see that study; I read the reports of Romanian and Russian orphanages.

I think it was closer to "babies wanna hold something soft" than "babies wanna be hugged", but a bunch of little monkeys got surrogate mothers, some of felt and some of wire, that had milk bottles which provided all the nourishment they needed. The ones that got wire surrogates ended up social wrecks. Or something like that.

re: #73 VegasRick

Umm........Tea Party haters..........Umm...Well............
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Axelrod was asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" for his opinion on what the show's host described as "this spreading and very public disaffection with not only the government, but especially the Obama administration."

Axelrod replied: "I think any time that you have severe economic conditions, there is always an element of disaffection that can mutate into something that's unhealthy."

interesting how when WE peacefully exercise our first amendment rights,
it's somehow unhealthy. (or abt. to "MUTATE" ) what b.s.
but when the left acts up like a bunch of crazed monkeys it's just fine.

re: #104 Killgore Trout

By the way, Blenn Beck wrote the forward to the copy of the 5,000 year leap that is being sold on amazon. The video of the "Burn the Books" Tea Party one lady makes a speech and recommends that everybody should read it. The Birch Society were the initial supporters of the Fair Tax that's so popular with Paulians and Tea Partiers. They also endorsed the idea of abolishing the Federal Reserve that's gaining popularity. If you want to understand why conservatives have gone so crazy with conspiracy theories and bad ideas you need look no further that Ron Paul and the Birch Society. It also explains why Alex Jones and Stormfront are getting involved in the Tea Party scene.

/hey, don't forget the UFO angle

When even the Japanese, the most rabidly anti-thermonuclear people on earth, are wondering whether they might not like to have a bomb of their own after all, it's not exactly reassuring.

re: #108 nyc redneck

interesting how when WE peacefully exercise our first amendment rights,
it's somehow unhealthy. (or abt. to "MUTATE" ) what b.s.
but when the left acts up like a bunch of crazed monkeys it's just fine.

Yep.

re: #104 Killgore Trout

The Birch Society were the initial supporters of the Fair Tax that's so popular

Source, please?

Also, why is this a relevant point?

re: #110 haakondahl

When even the Japanese, the most rabidly anti-thermonuclear people on earth, are wondering whether they might not like to have a bomb of their own after all, it's not exactly reassuring.

I think they should.

re: #109 Killian Bundy

Yup. Nesara, the UFO cult, is involved with the Tea Parties for the exact same reason.

re: #70 NYCHardhat

I know. But according to him, he who buys L&T buys a JBS book. So if I agree with a white supremacist about low taxes, I'm a white supremacist?

Isn't L&T the book about low taxes? Mark Levin isn't a white supremacist. In fact, he's really not welcome in the secret clubhouse.

I get your point though, and it's even more convoluted than you suggest. Does reading a book that other people have read who have also read a book about something mystical written by someone linked to white supremacists back in the sixties make you a white supremacist? Holy smokes. I hope not or I'm probably screwed. I'll have to pay closer attention to those "also purchased" cross-sales attempts on Amazon.

Am I the only one who automatically files any book with "Miracle" in the titles under "religious stuff"?

re: #112 Occasional Reader

What is the tax that Forbes is such a proponent of?

Didja the one about the liberal who blamed the Colubmine massacre on capitalism?

re: #104 Killgore Trout

The Birch Society were the initial supporters of the Fair Tax that's so popular with Paulians

Both the Birchers and Paulians may in fact "support" the Faif Tax, but for the record they are NOT in any way involved with the leadership of that proposal

re: #105 sattv4u2

CHARLES ,,, seeing that this is an open thread, may I ask you a question?

I'm not sure what ,,, umm,, "vintage" you are but I do know you toured as a musician, esp. jazz, if I'm correct..
Did you ever pass through the Boston area in the mid to late 70's, early 80's? The reason I ask is our paths may have crossed, if only tangentially. I used to do contract work for Sandys in Beverly Mass and Pauls Mall in Boston

You'd remember him if you had met. The Nitrogen. It's a giveaway.

re: #110 haakondahl

When even the Japanese, the most rabidly anti-thermonuclear people on earth, are wondering whether they might not like to have a bomb of their own after all, it's not exactly reassuring.

tuff neighborhood...

re: #117 NonNativeTexan

What is the tax that Forbes is such a proponent of?

The Flat Tax, IIRC

re: #114 taxfreekiller

It's already in his favorites. I am not going to reply to that link (already got deleted once on this thread for that)

re: #93 taxfreekiller

DHS

There in the U.S. Senate.
ya know, the one all dressed up in his wife's money
ya know, the one who lied under oath before the Senate
ya know, the one who was in Ok. City when the Vietnam vets against the war voted to kill U.S. Senators and Congressmen
ya know the one who lied about all his awards and citations,
ya know the one who met with the VC and NVA during the Viet Nam WAR,
while still in the U.S. Navy Reserve
ya know the one Carter had to issue the new improved DD-214

thats all the hints you going to get

now do your job

Umm this the guy who took a trip up the Mekong River?

/S

re: #110 haakondahl

I couldn't possibly comment on your avatar ;-)

re: #122 sattv4u2

Thanks, believe that is correct.

re: #120 haakondahl

You'd remember him if you had met. The Nitrogen. It's a giveaway.

Hell ,,, back then I was inhaling LOTS of stuff!

re: #112 Occasional Reader

Source, please?

Also, why is this a relevant point?

I don't want to get deleted for a link to another nutty site. Google: birch society fair tax and you should find all the information you need. It's relevant because it a nutty and dishonest idea pushed by crackpots. It's becoming pretty popular in conservative circles these days.

re: #112 Occasional Reader

Also, why is this a relevant point?

/apparently, CNN and MSNBC have been shirking and haven't done enough to nail "Tea Parties" to the wall yet

re: #124 Dustyvet

Umm this the guy who took a trip up the Mekong River?

/S

In a bunny suit, IIRC.

re: #110 haakondahl

When even the Japanese, the most rabidly anti-thermonuclear people on earth, are wondering whether they might not like to have a bomb of their own after all, it's not exactly reassuring.

Well they've depended on us to protect them for 50 years. Our current trend is to bear our necks rather then show force. At least with regard to nuclear weapons.

Have you heard the latest from the Somali pirates? Even caught red-handed all they have to do is throw their weapons overboard and they get off scot free.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Penn Says: Counter intuitive

re: #119 sattv4u2

It was initially proposed by the Church of Scientology if that makes you feel better about the Fair Tax.

re: #106 Occasional Reader

Howdy.

Just watching Gen. Hayden on Fox News Sunday. He really seems like one of the good guys.

I am watching that too. Lindsey Graham is on as well. I like him

re: #128 Killgore Trout

I don't want to get deleted for a link to another nutty site. Google: birch society fair tax and you should find all the information you need.

So. your source for the Fair Tax being initially proposed by the Birch Society, is that the Birch Society says so?

It's relevant because it a nutty and dishonest idea pushed by crackpots. It's becoming pretty popular in conservative circles these days.

You know, I'm not sold on the "Fair Tax" myself. But I've had good conversations with intelligent conservatives who do. Why do you label it "nutty and dishonest"?

re: #120 haakondahl

You'd remember him if you had met. The Nitrogen. It's a giveaway.

I thought that was Meatloaf...

A fair tax is where 30 % of the people don't pay 90%
of the taxes.

re: #133 Killgore Trout

It was initially proposed by the Church of Scientology if that makes you feel better about the Fair Tax.

Again: Source, please?

re: #138 Occasional Reader

Again: Source, please?

(And "google search of some sort" is not a source)

re: #133 Killgore Trout

It was initially proposed by the Church of Scientology if that makes you feel better about the Fair Tax.

No it wasn't. It's author is Congressman John Linder (R. Georgia) 1st proposed in 1999

re: #131 axegrinder

And the Japanese can very quickly build nukes if they so chose...within six months.

re: #135 Occasional Reader

You know, I'm not sold on the "Fair Tax" myself. But I've had good conversations with intelligent conservatives who do. Why do you label it "nutty and dishonest"?

It's the current sales taxes that are dishonest. We don't even know the level of taxation in our current prices. Businessmen don't suck that up- that pass the cost on to the consumers.

Lindsey Graham Vs. Moonbat Claire Mckaskill.

No contest.

re: #134 Afrocity

I am watching that too. Lindsey Graham is on as well. I like him

And are you watching this idiot McKaskill who's on now? Gah.

re: #141 Macker

And the Japanese can very quickly build nukes if they so chose...within six months.

How about just a nuke powered Honda, no emissions.

re: #141 Macker

Really only one moth...the other five to get consensus of what anime mascot to paint on the side of it.

re: #141 Macker

And the Japanese can very quickly build nukes if they so chose...within six months.

And really, really small.

Claire confused by tea parties. Isn't this the same woman that spit on a microphone before a Republican spoke with it?

re: #140 sattv4u2

No it wasn't. It's author is Congressman John Linder (R. Georgia) 1st proposed in 1999

He's a Linderer!
/

re: #142 Sharmuta

Hey, where's your SpaceJ suit?

re: #150 VegasRick

He's a Linderer!
/

I don't think you have enough 'ererer's at the end!

re: #142 Sharmuta

It's the current sales taxes that are dishonest. We don't even know the level of taxation in our current prices. Businessmen don't suck that up- that pass the cost on to the consumers.

Huh? Sure we know what state sales tax rates are.

re: #144 Occasional Reader

And are you watching this idiot McKaskill who's on now? Gah.

She just said Congress just passed one of the biggest tax cuts in US history.

What the hell is she talking about?

Bruce Bartlett has charged that the FairTax was originally devised by the Church of Scientology in the early 1990s as a way to get rid of the Internal Revenue Service.[8] Representative John Linder told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that Bartlett confused the FairTax movement with the Scientology-affiliated Citizens for an Alternative Tax System.[9] Leo Linbeck, AFFT Chairman and CEO, stated "As a founder of Americans For Fair Taxation, I can state categorically, however, that Scientology played no role in the founding, research or crafting of the legislation giving expression to the FairTax."[10]

Obama Defends Reaching Out to Political Enemies

Defending his brand of world politics, President Barack Obama said Sunday that he "strengthens our hand" by reaching out to enemies of the United States and making sure that the nation is a leader, not a lecturer, of democracy.

Hard to shake hands with enemies that offer a clinched fist.

re: #154 KingKenrod

She just said Congress just passed one of the biggest tax cuts in US history.

What the hell is she talking about?

Only if by "tax cut", you mean "rancid bout of flatulence".

re: #121 brookly red

tuff neighborhood...

re: #146 dmandman

Really only one moth...the other five to get consensus of what anime mascot to paint on the side of it.

Truly,Shin-Chan is the only correct answer here...

Here's the Bio of one of the guys who started the Fair tax group:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #156 jorline

Obama Defends Reaching Out to Political Enemies

Hard to shake hands with enemies that offer a clinched fist.

yah just bump em ;)

re: #153 Occasional Reader

Huh? Sure we know what state sales tax rates are.

Do you? That retailers pay taxes on wholesale, and wholesalers pay taxes to manufacturers- these factors affect your cost, before you even pay taxes at the retail counter.

re: #154 KingKenrod

She just said Congress just passed one of the biggest tax cuts in US history.

What the hell is she talking about?

See, it's a tax cut, which raises revenue while raising tax rates while lowering taxes while, um,...

LOOOOK! BO THE PUPPY! Awwww...

re: #155 Thanos

And I assume that that's a quote from Wikipedia.

re: #151 haakondahl

Hey, where's your SpaceJ suit?

What?

re: #158 Athens Runaway

Well it's at least not Gundam.....

BBIAB

re: #141 Macker

And the Japanese can very quickly build nukes if they so chose...within six months.

They make a helluva car. I'm sure they could do as well with The Bomb. Their public will raise a stink though.

The Fair Tax

Scroll down & read the Fair Tax Five (debunking the myths)

re: #164 Sharmuta

What?

see #21

re: #163 callahan23

And I assume that that's a quote from Wikipedia.

Yes it is

re: #21 SpaceJesus

I just got called Sharmuta in drag over at ace of spades what does that even mean

Wow! LMAO!

re: #164 Sharmuta

What?

Someone earlier posted that spacejesus was called Sharmuta in drag over at ace of spades.

re: #163 callahan23

And I assume that that's a quote from Wikipedia.

I have also heard in person both Congressman John Linder (author of the bill) and Neal Boortz (national talk host/ writer / supporter) say the same thing.

re: #165 dmandman

And that's not the best pic of him that I could find. Shin-Chan is the Japanime answer to Beavis & Butt-head, and I'm at the right age to find it hilarious.

Thank you Brit Hume! Just said tea parties were grassroots.

How dare Democrats say they are not. Nancy Pelosi shouldn't talk.
San Francisco Democrats, spread the wealth-

POT IN EVERY CHICKEN.

re: #140 sattv4u2

No it wasn't. It's author is Congressman John Linder (R. Georgia) 1st proposed in 1999

Word... Fair Tax

re: #149 Afrocity

Claire confused by tea parties. Isn't this the same woman that spit on a microphone before a Republican spoke with it?

Same one.

/what, five days now and the "stupid" tea parties are still giving the leftys fits?

I don't know if this is a new thing. I notice ABC news frames the shot with all kinds of video graphics when Obama is on. I think it's to block the tele prompter.

I don't generally have ABC news on, so I could be way off base.

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Yup. Nesara, the UFO cult, is involved with the Tea Parties for the exact same reason.

There were over 6000 people at the Phoenix, Arizona tea party on Wednesday, with nary a UFO cultist among them. Unless they were all alien shapeshifters disguising themselves as ordinary middle class Americans, I'd say that you've been eating too many of those little rust colored mushrooms that grow in the Oregon forest, Killgore. Everyone there was more concerned with the down to earth problems created by the Pelosi Congress and the Obama administration.

Sedona might have been a different story. There are a lot of UFOnauts and NewAgers there, so if they had a Tea Party there there might have been a UFO cultist or two in attendance.

re: #177 Killian Bundy

Same one.

/what, five days now and the "stupid" tea parties are still giving the leftys fits?

Lots of things give lefties fits, like.... US.

re: #174 Athens Runaway

During the first and second gulf war the Japanese flew F4-J anti-radar/jamming aircraft with nose art that was simply fantastic... based upon a manga series running.

re: #175 Afrocity

...and in every brownie too!

re: #155 Thanos

I'm glad you posted that, because the minute I saw that this was an issue I thought "Name one single tax plan in the history of civilization that hasn't already been proposed or tried at least once by someone."
Trying to ascribe scandalous roots to a perfectly reasonable proposal displays a fear of the proposal. Thus, I pay more attention to the Fair-tax arguments than I normally would. People should stop trying to "mold" history and start trying to effect it.

re: #181 dmandman

During the first and second gulf war the Japanese flew F4-J anti-radar/jamming aircraft with nose art that was simply fantastic... based upon a manga series running.

Linky with pics?

re: #90 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks :)

re: #145 NonNativeTexan

How about just a nuke powered Honda, no emissions.

With a lot of extras.

Log Cabin Republicans had two McCain (one is McCain's daugther) people come before them to promote gay marriage.

I think this is a good development. We ought to have civil marriages. Save the real idealistic view of marriage for the church.

re: #175 Afrocity

And Kristol just smacked Juan Williams... it's a GOOD thing, Juan, that people are protesting against future massive deficit spending, rather than just saying "thank you" for their "credit" pittances being given to them currently.

re: #186 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

With a lot of extras.

But what about the fallout. ;)

re: #183 Lincolntf

Haven't some of the Eastern Euro countries gone with the flat tax? Slovakia comes to mind for some reason.

This probably goes back to before the 1994 group, this is just the effort that led up to the actual legislation being proposed.

re: #177 Killian Bundy

Same one.

/what, five days now and the "stupid" tea parties are still giving the leftys fits?

Wait until the 4 of July "Tea Parties". It's a Saturday instead of a Wednesday. They are gonna really shit themselves.

re: #168 unrealizedviewpoint

The Fair Tax

Scroll down & read the Fair Tax Five (debunking the myths)

I'll buy it all except the politically viable one. No way are our congressmen going to vote away their prodigious power of reward/punishment they have by manipulating tax policy. The fair tax is too simple. Lobbyists would become obsolete and then who would make campaign donations? The best we can hope for is more adjustments; a complete rewrite ain't gonna happen.

re: #104 Killgore Trout

By the way, Blenn Beck wrote the forward to the copy of the 5,000 year leap that is being sold on amazon. The video of the "Burn the Books" Tea Party one lady makes a speech and recommends that everybody should read it. The Birch Society were the initial supporters of the Fair Tax that's so popular with Paulians and Tea Partiers. They also endorsed the idea of abolishing the Federal Reserve that's gaining popularity. If you want to understand why conservatives have gone so crazy with conspiracy theories and bad ideas you need look no further that Ron Paul and the Birch Society. It also explains why Alex Jones and Stormfront are getting involved in the Tea Party scene.

I'm totally on board with marginalizing Birchers and skin-heads and Paulians, but you're sounding like a conspiracy nut yourself, finding connections and alliances everywhere. These people will never be mainstream, and if one of the ideas they support (like the Fair Tax) every becomes mainstream (very unlikely), it doesn't mean the whack-jobs supporting it were responsible or that they've gained political clout or power.

re: #189 DEZes

But what about the fallout. ;)

Who cares, that is for the people behind me to worry about /

re: #186 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

With a lot of extras.

I'm definitely springing for the optional turns-into-powered-armor

re: #195 NonNativeTexan

Who cares, that is for the people behind me to worry about /

Heh, they are mutants now.

re: #184 Colonel Panik

[Link: www.sankakucomplex.com...]

this is link with picts.

re: #190 Colonel Panik

Probably. It's a pretty straightforward measure that I'm sure has been utilized in many forms over many generations in many places.
All apologies to the L. Ron fans.

re: #186 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

With a lot of extras.

Missile launcher on hood to take care of....people with poor driving skills. Sign me up to test the prototype.

re: #198 dmandman

[Link: www.sankakucomplex.com...]

this is link with picts.

Cool, thanks for the link!

re: #188 Occasional Reader

And Kristol just smacked Juan Williams... it's a GOOD thing, Juan, that people are protesting against future massive deficit spending, rather than just saying "thank you" for their "credit" pittances being given to them currently.

Bill O'reilly and I are working on Juan.

re: #189 DEZes

But what about the fallout. ;)

Guess it depends on where it falls out, huh? ;)

re: #198 dmandman

I lost my original link which was to a nose art of the first gulf war compilation site. The nose was used, with the manga artist visitng the basse just prior to deployment to paint them on.

re: #197 DEZes

Heh, they are shiny mutants now.

Amended

re: #104 Killgore Trout

So Trout man,,

Who authored the Fair Tax? Was it Paulians? Birchers? Scientologists?

Or was it SATAN !

///church lady mode off !

re: #135 Occasional Reader

So. your source for the Fair Tax being initially proposed by the Birch Society, is that the Birch Society says so?

The Birch Society was one of the first ones to Champion the Fair Tax. The idea was initially developed by the Church of Scientology....
Scientology's Fair Tax Plot

It's easily obtained knowledge and you can google and find out more. Don't expect me to spoon feed it to you.

re: #200 axegrinder

Missile launcher on hood to take care of....people with poor driving skills. Sign me up to test the prototype.

Oh, you a road rage person?

re: #206 sattv4u2

Isn't that spesshhullll...

re: #200 axegrinder

Missile launcher on hood to take care of....people with poor driving skills. Sign me up to test the prototype.

That's what I want. Except I want a sonic homing device in the missile that will target cars with those teeth jarringly loud woofers.

re: #203 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Guess it depends on where it falls out, huh? ;)

Im exhausted thinking about that.

re: #193 axegrinder

I'll buy it all except the politically viable one. No way are our congressmen going to vote away their prodigious power of reward/punishment they have by manipulating tax policy. The fair tax is too simple. Lobbyists would become obsolete and then who would make campaign donations? The best we can hope for is more adjustments; a complete rewrite ain't gonna happen.

Only a Reaganesque type politician answering the cries of the populace could get it done. I'm not confident. I'm real tired of Killgore slapping it down all week though. jeesh.

re: #205 callahan23

Amended

They like brains too, liberals are safe. ;)

Is the problem just that the center is towards the left? If you flee from both the loons of the left and the loons of the right, however, which way do you go?

The fair tax was proposed by the Church of Scientology?
I was actually warming up to it. Mike Huckabee is always mentioning it on his show so I looked into it one day.

re: #205 callahan23

Heh, they are shiny happy mutants now.

/FTFY

re: #208 callahan23

Oh, you a road rage person?

Only on Sundays.

re: #217 Killian Bundy

/FTFY

The mutants are mutating!

re: #194 KingKenrod

I'm totally on board with marginalizing Birchers and skin-heads and Paulians, but you're sounding like a conspiracy nut yourself, finding connections and alliances everywhere.

Note also that Birchers were anti-communist.

Therefore, anyone who opposes communism is a Bircher nutcase who must be denounced! And, by extension, communism must be a pretty good idea.

/

Citizens for an Alternative Tax System

Citizens for an Alternative Tax System (CATS) is a national tax reform public interest group in the United States. The group was founded by Scientologist and IRS foe, David Miscavige.[1]The organization states that they were established to solve "very serious problems caused by the United States' unfair and destructive income tax system", which they determined to be abolishing the federal income tax and replace it with a national retail sales tax. CATS was incorporated in October of 1990 and expanded from nine local offices to over 300 chapters across the country. In the first years, the CATS national office conducted over 3,500 radio shows and distributed thousands of flyers through its growing grassroots network

re: #213 DEZes

They like brains too, liberals are safe. ;)

Are those mutants the new zombies?

re: #216 Afrocity

The fair tax was proposed by the Church of Scientology?
I was actually warming up to it. Mike Huckabee is always mentioning it on his show so I looked into it one day.

Just because it has support from such groups or individuals does not marginalize it.

re: #218 axegrinder

Only on Sundays.

ME TOO, those Sunday-only-drivers drive me nuts.

re: #216 Afrocity

Besides being a nutty idea developed by quacks it doesn't work.....
Unspinning the FairTax

re: #222 callahan23

Are those mutants the new zombies?

I just watched I am Legend again last nite, so sorta. ;)

re: #207 Killgore Trout

It's easily obtained knowledge

Ah, it's "knowledge"! And to quote the motto of Faber College, "Knowledge is Good".

Of course, your own exhaustive research methods (google search) reveal that Bartlett's story has been at least denied, if not debunked.

Oh, and I thought the Birchers were the first ones to come up with the idea... what happened to that claim?

re: #202 Afrocity

Bill O'reilly and I are working on Juan.

I think Juan is a decent person. Justice Thomas has good things to say about him in his autobiography.

"Ah'm a loyal follower o' Brother John Birch, an' a member of the Antioch Baptist Church, an' I ain't even got a garage, you can call home and ask mah wife!"

re: #225 Killgore Trout

But it's called the "Fair Tax" so it has to be fair! Haven't you been paying attention to how words work lately?

re: #216 Afrocity

The fair tax was proposed by the Church of Scientology?
I was actually warming up to it. Mike Huckabee is always mentioning it on his show so I looked into it one day.

NO,, they (scientologists) came up with a Citizens for an Alternative Tax System[Link: www.google.com...] which differs from The Fair Tax in many ways . An Atlanta Journal Constitution writer linked the two in an article and the Fair Tax people have made numerous statements distancing themselves from the other org

I do have to say, Mara Liason (sp?) of NPR seems like a relatively fair-minded liberal.

I'm off to the movies. Play nice.

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

Lobbyists will never become obsolete. There are many things other than tax policy for which groups, entities and people lobby; new regulations, additional laws, removal or adjustment of existing regulations or laws, changes in general policy, etc.

Lobbyists serve the same function as the "flappers" served on the Flying Island of Laputa in Gulliver's Travels. The inhabitants of that island, philosophers all, were lost in their contemplations of the mysteries of the universe. If you wanted to talk to one, you had to get his attention--and so the "flapper," a servant carrying an inflated pig bladder, would "flap" him on the head to wake him from his reveries.

Legislators and their staffers have many, many claims on their time and attention. Lobbyists--"flappers"--grab their attention and focus it on a particular issue.

You are correct. Taxes manipulation only one of many ways government has to reward/punish.

re: #227 Occasional Reader

Yes, the current advocates pretend it's not a Birch society/scientologist idea. Ron Paul is the only one who advocates the idea who's willing to be honest about it.

re: #226 DEZes

I just watched I am Legend again last nite, so sorta. ;)

Great action film that is. Splatter taken to the big mainstream. Nice.

I am no fan of scientologists, but if one came up with a cure for cancer it would be a good thing just the same...

re: #224 callahan23

ME TOO, those Sunday-only-drivers drive me nuts.

I don't even drive during the holidays. My blood pressure can't take it.

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Citizens for an Alternative Tax System

which is NOT the same as the Fair Tax (www.fairtax.org) , and either your know that and are being disengenuous, or don;t know it and are being lazy

That's right, the hundreds of thousands of people who showed up Wednesday were mostly fringe freaks, NOT NORMAL EVERYDAY AMERICANS SHOWING UP IN THE MIDDLE OF A WORK WEEK.

/sorry, you're just going to have to deal with the reality of it all

re: #10 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good afternoon lizards. Summer has apparently arrived here in So Cal. My thermometer says 91, in the shade.

Same here in the Santa Cruz Mountains.

re: #202 Afrocity

Bill O'reilly and I are working on Juan.

* * * *
Juan Williams as a DC correspondent for WasPost & NPR, has come a long way and certainly tries harder to make rational arguments today than back in the leftist day.

.

re: #238 sattv4u2

You can't change history or reality. Deny the facts all you want but they are still true.

re: #237 axegrinder

I don't even drive during the holidays. My blood pressure can't take it.

Scream, holler and shout. It takes the stress away from me, ofttimes. ;-)

re: #235 callahan23

Great action film that is. Splatter taken to the big mainstream. Nice.

It was ok but I have it and was in the mood.
By the way, you may have been my 3000th upding, its a small thing but helped make my weekend.

So thanks to every one for making me feel welcome here.

re: #241 alegrias

* * * *
Juan Williams as a DC correspondent for WasPost & NPR, has come a long way and certainly tries harder to make rational arguments today than back in the leftist day.

I agree, he told Bill O'Reilly that he has changed him for the better.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, 4 state employees stand around watching another one weedeat around a telephone pole as I pass by while the road I live on is bumpier than Michael Moore's ass because the local elected one had to have a smooth ride into town and mine hasn't been paved since 1948, I spill coffee all over the place by not missing that pothole that the local farmer filled in with Sacrete 15 years ago that's sunk @ 3 inches a year, hey he tried; My wife calls me on the cellphone wanting just to tell me to have a good day and please pick up some milk on the way home, and I say WHAT DAMMIT! making her mad at me and ruining her day until I can get my shit together and apologize for being an ass, there's 3 more staters in 2 trucks, 1 pointing at a traffic light and the others saying look at the pretty lights as I pass by an intersection; trucks, trucks, trucks, all decked out with lights, sirens, whistles, pensions, and nice healthcare packages,

breathe.................

end Mile 1.

re: #243 Killgore Trout

You can't change history or reality. Deny the facts all you want but they are still true.

Okay ,, FACT ,, who authored the Fair Tax proposal?

re: #242 LGoPs

.

That time of the month?

re: #248 sattv4u2

Okay ,, FACT ,, who authored the Fair Tax proposal?

and when?

re: #31 Charles

Those two albums were excellent. Those and related albums shaped my musical direction (as a listener) profoundly. Thank you so much Charles. It floors me to be a contributor and learner from this work of yours decades later.

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Besides being a nutty idea developed by quacks it doesn't work.....
Unspinning the FairTax

Should you take the time to read the provided data on the link I provided, you will find they worked with incorrect assumptions. Scroll down to The Fair Tax Five (myths debunked)

Mezzo Soprano Denyce Graves is a personal favorite and Washington, DC local.

She and her classical guitarist first husband worked very hard with spanish dancers to rehearse for her signature & breakout role as Carmen with the Minnesota Opera.

Ms. Graves sang the Battle Hymn of the Republica two days after the 9/11 attacks at the National Cathedral at the service. It was her first performance since surgery on her vocal chords.

(inteviewed by Chris Wallace on Fox)

re: #229 Colonel Panik

"Ah'm a loyal follower o' Brother John Birch, an' a member of the Antioch Baptist Church, an' I ain't even got a garage, you can call home and ask mah wife!"

I always loved that line about the "feller with green teeth." Here's my favorite Charlie Daniels song.

re: #245 DEZes

It was ok but I have it and was in the mood.
By the way, you may have been my 3000th upding, its a small thing but helped make my weekend.

So thanks to every one for making me feel welcome here.

It was a pleasure. Congratulation to your 3 Sharms. Your Karma to comments posted ratio is impressive.

re: #249 NonNativeTexan

That time of the month?

I ws trying to make a point....
/ :)

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Ancient Egypt imposed a hearty income tax on her citizens.
Are the Democrats a jackal-worshipping Sun Cult? Oh Noes!

re: #225 Killgore Trout

re: #252 unrealizedviewpoint

Should you take the time to read the provided data on the link I provided, you will find they worked with incorrect assumptions. Scroll down to The Fair Tax Five (myths debunked)

KILGORE ,,,, ALSO ,,, [Link: www.opencongress.org...]

amongst the sponswers, please point out the Birchwers, Paulians and Scientologists