Louis Caldera Goes Under the Bus

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For authorizing the incredibly stupid Air Force One New York flyover, military office director Louis Caldera is out of a job.

A White House aide joined the unemployment lines today for his role in Air Force One’s controversial  photo-op flyover above New York, the Obama administration just announced. (Of course, it’s scheduled for a Friday afternoon.)

In a statement, the White House said President Obama accepted the resignation of military office director Louis Caldera. Caldera, a former Army secretary, took responsibility for the Air Force flyover that sparked 9/11-echo panic in lower Manhattan on April 27.

The political cost can’t yet be calculated. Obama supporters won’t care. But the fact is against advice from the outgoing Bush administration, Obama’s team changed Caldera’s White House job classification from a career military officer to a political appointee. Now, we’ll see which way it goes the second time.

The White House also released its review of the flight near the Statue of Liberty and a photo. Earlier, Defense Secretary Robert Gates apologized for the incident and said it had cost as much as $357,000.

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280 comments
1 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:27:21pm

Under the bus, from 3000 feet.

2 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:27:27pm

(bump bump)

Ow!

3 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:27:36pm

It's not even a good photo. Look at that lens flare at the top!

4 TheAntichrist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:27:53pm

You gotta admit that's an awesome photo.

(ducks for cover)

5 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:28:08pm

Obama blew his top over Caldera?

/sorry

6 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:28:17pm

Nice canopy rail and reflections. They should fire the photographer while they're at it.

7 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:28:52pm

That picture sucks.

8 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:29:45pm

Next time, Photoshop!

9 callahan23  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:30:01pm

re: #1 FurryOldGuyJeans

Under the bus, from 3000 feet.

Mighty space in between there.

10 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:30:26pm

$357,000 Seems a little low to me. It was at least a 757 and an f15, maybe more. Flight crews, ground crews, They probably flew out of DC. I would have guessed a lot more.

11 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:30:39pm

Who's gonna pay for all the soiled underwear?

12 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:30:50pm

Hmmmm, a little retouching and it (the photo) will be released as the newest bomber from Iran...

13 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:31:10pm

If I were Caldera I'd have a volcanic eruption over this.....
/

14 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:31:18pm

It didn't even create a very nice photograph either.

15 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:32:40pm

Why can't we keep Caldera and let Obama go?

16 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:32:58pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

It didn't even create a very nice photograph either.

I don't think it would even be accepted for airliners.net.

17 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:33:14pm

re: #15 unrealizedviewpoint

Why can't we keep Caldera and let Obama go?

I regret I have but one upding to give to that post!

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:33:50pm

Quitting in shame.

Number 1! Number 1!

19 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:33:52pm

Please note that the shot was taken with Jersey in the background & not the gaping hole where the WTC used to be.

20 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:33:56pm

We all knew Caldera was responsible for this fiasco the day after it happened.

/why did it take this long to fire him?

21 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:21pm

Yay!

22 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:31pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

$357,000 Seems a little low to me. It was at least a 757 and an f15, maybe more. Flight crews, ground crews, They probably flew out of DC. I would have guessed a lot more.

$357,000 is the official 0bama-approved number, which means we have to multiply it by a scaling factor of 4-5 to get the true expense.

23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:32pm

re: #15 unrealizedviewpoint

Gotta run. But "viewpoint"? I'll see that one on the top comments tomorrow.

Nice.

24 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:41pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

$357,000 Seems a little low to me. It was at least a 757 and an f15, maybe more. Flight crews, ground crews, They probably flew out of DC. I would have guessed a lot more.

I'm sure you are correct....if the 357k is official from the feds, it's 99% chance to be a lie

25 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:47pm

/Can we say 'Scapegoat', Lizardettes and Lizards?

26 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:47pm

re: #20 Killian Bundy

We all knew Caldera was responsible for this fiasco the day after it happened.

/why did it take this long to fire him?

focus groups.

27 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:54pm

Can Barry get back to his waffles now?

28 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:35:13pm

re: #19 brookly red

Please note that the shot was taken with Jersey in the background & not the gaping hole where the WTC used to be.

Bayonne, Jersey City, Newark?

29 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:35:28pm

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Quitting in shame.

Number 1! Number 1!

It won't be long before 0bama appointees will be let go because they can be too easily connected to 0bama.

30 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:35:45pm

re: #15 unrealizedviewpoint

Why can't we keep Caldera and let Obama go?

IIRC, Caldera worked for Bubba...

31 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:35:50pm

re: #25 NY Nana

/Can we say 'Scapegoat', Lizardettes and Lizards?

/no, Caldera was the one directly responsible, he needed to go

32 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:36:01pm

re: #22 gmsc

$357,000 is the official 0bama-approved number, which means we have to multiply it by a scaling factor of 4-5 to get the true expense.

re: #24 albusteve

I'm sure you are correct....if the 357k is official from the feds, it's 99% chance to be a lie

GMTA!

33 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:36:12pm

Related, kinda: Speaking of stupid President tricks - it looks as though the broadcast networks aren't going to keep giving the President free time to drone.
Obama drama - Nets take a stand against primetime pre-emptions
By John Consoli

May 7, 2009, 08:47 PM ET

By and large, they personally forked out for his campaign, they voted for him, and they know he is capable of boosting TV ratings just by making an appearance.

But executives at the Big Four broadcast networks are seething behind the scenes that President Obama has cost them about $30 million in cumulative ad revenue this year with his three primetime news conference pre-emptions.

34 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:36:28pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

$357,000 Seems a little low to me. It was at least a 757 and an f15, maybe more. Flight crews, ground crews, They probably flew out of DC. I would have guessed a lot more.

That might be the broken out cost for the photoshoot after taking into account the value of the training time and other costs that could be accounted for in the mission.

Or it could be the total cost based on standard operation costs for those aircraft. It doesn't seem very low to me for a short flight.

35 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:36:28pm

From buzzing NYC to under the bus...what a week!

36 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:36:32pm

re: #24 albusteve

I'm sure you are correct....if the 357k is official from the feds, it's 99% chance to be a lie

X2

37 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:37:24pm

The Son of the Return of the Bus.

38 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:37:53pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

The Son of the Return of the Bus.

Bussfather 2

39 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:38:02pm

If Bush had simply arranged for some decent publicity shots of AF1 then this never would have happened!

///

40 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:38:28pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

The Son of the Return of the Bus.

Son of a Bus!

41 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:38:36pm

re: #38 albusteve

Bussfather 2

Bussing 2: Electric Bussaloo

42 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:38:37pm

re: #20 Killian Bundy

Actually, it's more likely several people were responsible for the debacle. They decided Caldera was the most convenient scapegoat. And I'll add: this "under the bus" business is amusing, but Bush never fired anyone that I can recall. Not even after 9/11. I never forgave him for that.

43 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:39:18pm

Apocalypse Buss

44 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:39:28pm

Back to the Future

/No fix required

45 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:39:30pm

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bussing 2: Electric Bussaloo

Evil Bus
The Bus at the End of the Street

46 Pupdawg  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:39:48pm

re: #15 unrealizedviewpoint

Why can't we keep Caldera and let Obama go?

They both should go!

47 callahan23  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:39:50pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

The Son of the Return of the Bus.

"ZoBama's Under My Bus" comes to mind. ;-)


Youtube Video
48 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:39:57pm

re: #42 quickjustice

Actually, it's more likely several people were responsible for the debacle. They decided Caldera was the most convenient scapegoat. And I'll add: this "under the bus" business is amusing, but Bush never fired anyone that I can recall. Not even after 9/11. I never forgave him for that.

What about those attorneys the left kept bitching about?

49 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:40:11pm

re: #33 Catttt

Related, kinda: Speaking of stupid President tricks - it looks as though the broadcast networks aren't going to keep giving the President free time to drone.
Obama drama - Nets take a stand against primetime pre-emptions
By John Consoli

May 7, 2009, 08:47 PM ET

By and large, they personally forked out for his campaign, they voted for him, and they know he is capable of boosting TV ratings just by making an appearance.
But executives at the Big Four broadcast networks are seething behind the scenes that President Obama has cost them about $30 million in cumulative ad revenue this year with his three primetime news conference pre-emptions.

They obviously haven't recieved the Presidential memo yet:
"Shut the fuck up and sit down. I won"
- Barry

50 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:40:15pm

re: #45 Catttt

Evil Bus
The Bus at the End of the Street

The Good, the Bus, and the Ugly

51 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:40:16pm

Heckuva job, Louie!

I keep thinking of that quote from a commenter somewhere, about the symbolic appropriateness of Americans running in terror from their own President's airplane.

52 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:40:33pm

re: #28 Gus 802

Bayonne, Jersey City, Newark?


Jersey City, (Port) Newark I think... also please note the prominence of the mighty one's ride above the insignificant Statue of Liberty.

53 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:01pm

re: #31 Killian Bundy

Hmmm, the smell of scapegoat...

54 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:06pm

what took um so long?

55 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:14pm

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Good, the Bus, and the Ugly

hahaha!....winna!

56 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:20pm

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Good, the Bus, and the Ugly

The Bus Hitchhiker
The Devil's Bus

57 hous bin pharteen  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:29pm

What a disgrace. Obama's "friends" would not even lend him a MIG 27 to escort the airliner. He had to get an USAF plane. All those trips around the world, and he can't borrow someones MIG? What a gip!

58 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:37pm

re: #33 Catttt

Related, kinda: Speaking of stupid President tricks - it looks as though the broadcast networks aren't going to keep giving the President free time to drone.
Obama drama - Nets take a stand against primetime pre-emptions
By John Consoli

May 7, 2009, 08:47 PM ET

So, I'm guessing they're asking for the FCC to crawl up their butts about their licenses?

59 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:37pm

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Good, the Bus, and the Ugly

The Magic Foolbus

60 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:40pm

The buck stops low.

61 wrenchwench  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:47pm

One Bus Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest

62 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:52pm

Dawn of the Bus

63 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:53pm

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Good, the Bus, and the Ugly

The Big Bus.

64 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:42:14pm

Outlaw Josey Buss

65 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:42:42pm

The Hostel Bus

66 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #45 Catttt

Evil Bus
The Bus at the End of the Street

The Demon Bus of Pennsylvania Ave/

67 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:42:51pm

From the article
"The idea was to use the April 27 flight for publicity pictures that included the Statue of Liberty and the New York skyline."

Why would they need a publicity photo?

68 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:43:02pm

Buss Kong!

69 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:43:19pm

The great Underbus feeds again.

70 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:43:26pm

Risky Bus-ness

71 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:43:32pm

re: #48 CyanSnowHawk

I know several of the Justice Department lawyers who wrote those memos personally. As Andy McCarthy says, if writing a legal opinion becomes a crime, then no one in their right mind will give the government legal advice about national security matters.

72 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:43:32pm

The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Buses!?

73 wee fury  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:43:47pm

Bus Stop Blues.

74 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:43:51pm

Busocalypse

75 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:44:09pm

re: #28 Gus 802

Bayonne, Jersey City, Newark?

Uh, hey hous bin pharteen. I see you down dinged this. Those are the cities in the background.

76 wrenchwench  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:44:10pm

re: #67 Floral Giraffe

From the article
"The idea was to use the April 27 flight for publicity pictures that included the Statue of Liberty and the New York skyline."

Why would they need a publicity photo?

Substitute for a Nirth Certifikit.

77 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:44:16pm

Fried Green Buses

78 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:44:32pm

Fat bustard said, Get in my belly.

79 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:44:39pm

Dr. Lexus and Mr. Bus

80 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:45:03pm

re: #67 Floral Giraffe

Supposedly, the air crews that service the President get these as autographed souvenirs. That's one story that was going around. I'm not sure why a new shoot was deemed necessary, however.

81 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:45:06pm

every obamazombie should have to have a grayhound ticket so we don't have to pay to put him under the bus when he screws up the zero not the obamazombie

82 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:45:27pm

BBIAW....

83 hous bin pharteen  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:45:35pm

Why all those NYC folks running in fear out of them offices? They elected him. What do they expect? It wasn't the next one................yet.

84 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:45:39pm

re: #54 yochananConsulting with other Smartest Guys In The Room takes time.

85 Pupdawg  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:45:40pm

The political cost can’t yet be calculated. Obama supporters won’t care. But the fact is against advice from the outgoing Bush administration, Obama’s team changed Caldera’s White House job classification from a career military officer to a political appointee. Now, we’ll see which way it goes the second time.

Hell, Obama supporters including the love-struck-slobbering MSM wouldn't care if Obama crashed Air Force One into the Statue of Liberty as long as their One bailed-out of AF1 in time.

86 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:45:41pm

Jerome Corsi, now going on the Alex Jones show to push swine flu conspiracy gibberish:

Youtube Video
87 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:45:51pm

re: #33 Catttt

Related, kinda: Speaking of stupid President tricks - it looks as though the broadcast networks aren't going to keep giving the President free time to drone.
Obama drama - Nets take a stand against primetime pre-emptions
By John Consoli

May 7, 2009, 08:47 PM ET

Good to hear. Fox already told him to stuff it the last time around. Pre-empting prime time slots on a regular basis is not a popular thing to do at the networks.

88 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:45:52pm

re: #67 Floral Giraffe

From the article
"The idea was to use the April 27 flight for publicity pictures that included the Statue of Liberty and the New York skyline."

Why would they need a publicity photo?

why would he need Greek columns?

89 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:05pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Notice how they carefully omitted the photos showing lower Manhattan, and the fleeing, screaming crowds?

90 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:16pm

Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Driving Your Bus Through the Hood.//

91 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:19pm

He's been told to put on his hiking boots (Nike Calderas perhaps?)

92 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:23pm

re: #79 Catttt

Dr. Lexus and Mr. Bus

The Bus and Mrs. Muir

93 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:24pm

re: #9 callahan23

Mighty space in between there.

Throwing someone under the bus from that height is gonna make a mighty big *SPLAT*. Little will remain to shove under the bus, the rest will festoon the countryside.

94 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:26pm

The Glorious Busstards

95 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:37pm

Under the buck stop
He's joining the fun
Under the buck stop
Protecting the One

Take it away Buzzsaw

96 callahan23  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:38pm

Life of Bus!

"Calderus eunt domus"

97 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:48pm

re: #89 quickjustice

Notice how they carefully omitted the photos showing lower Manhattan, and the fleeing, screaming crowds?

I'm sure they have some. Would require some large format images to zoom in and I'm sure you'd be able to see some crowds.

98 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:52pm

re: #67 Floral Giraffe

From the article
"The idea was to use the April 27 flight for publicity pictures that included the Statue of Liberty and the New York skyline."

Why would they need a publicity photo?

They're all still in campaign mode, but now they have a huge black hole of a budget. Oh, and they are idiots.

99 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:56pm

re: #71 quickjustice

I know several of the Justice Department lawyers who wrote those memos personally. As Andy McCarthy says, if writing a legal opinion becomes a crime, then no one in their right mind will give the government legal advice about national security matters.

I was thinking of the 9 U.S. Attorneys fired when Alberto Gonzalez was Attorney General. One of them was here in San Diego and it was in the news for a while.

100 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:47:12pm

Mr. Buss Goes To Washington

101 pat  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:47:13pm

Yeah. Like this fly by idea did not come from Emanuel himself.

102 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:47:27pm

re: #86 Charles

Jerome Corsi, now going on the Alex Jones show to push swine flu conspiracy gibberish:


[Video]

Did the GOP and the Right recently enact some anti-sanity plank?

103 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:47:30pm

re: #86 Charles

I guess Jerry needs another gig bad! I kinda liked when he flew to Africa to track down Obama's "roots", and was detained by the authorities. I guess he got sprung eventually.

104 Shr_Nfr  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:47:31pm

re: #71 quickjustice

Nobody in their right minds would trust anything that this particular administration says no matter what.

105 iceman  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:47:33pm

Worst picture ever.

Who are they kidding? I think I can see Tony Soprano in New Jersey.

Where is the flight manifest?

Where is person where the real order came from?

106 JCM  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:47:36pm

No more room under the bus....
Obama is using a 747....

107 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:47:51pm

The Bussing

108 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:48:04pm

swine flu has been a real dud i mean at this rate

109 pat  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:48:13pm

re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans

Corsi is not a Republican. Constitution Party.

110 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:48:13pm

re: #86 Charles

Jerome Corsi, now going on the Alex Jones show to push swine flu conspiracy gibberish:


[Video]

I just going to simplify all the conspiracy theories:

You have a choice between only 2 alternatives now – swine flu or autism!

////////

(The Alex Jones show? So this story will be picked up by Judge Napolitano shortly?)

111 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:48:26pm

Look at the spinning graphic behind Beck's head. Betcha it's intended to create emotion in the viewer.

112 callahan23  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:48:41pm

re: #93 FurryOldGuyJeans

Throwing someone under the bus from that height is gonna make a mighty big *SPLAT*. Little will remain to shove under the bus, the rest will festoon manure the countryside.

FTFY
;-)

113 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:48:54pm

re: #111 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Look at the spinning graphic behind Beck's head. Betcha it's intended to create emotion in the viewer.

his studio is in a starship

114 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:48:57pm

Doin the bus
Flunkie Flunkie
When you get the notion
put the media spin in motion

115 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:49:08pm

Bus Wars I: The Phaeton Menace

116 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:49:26pm

re: #86 Charles

Jerome Corsi, now going on the Alex Jones show to push swine flu conspiracy gibberish:


[Video]

How long until Corsi is on Nepalitano's show?

117 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:49:51pm

re: #111 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Look at the spinning graphic behind Beck's head. Betcha it's intended to create emotion in the viewer.

Is that what makes me nauseous, or is it Beck?

118 callahan23  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:49:56pm

re: #106 JCM

No more room under the bus....
Obama is using a 747....

He is using an Airbus.

119 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:01pm

re: #111 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Look at the spinning graphic behind Beck's head. Betcha it's intended to create emotion in the viewer.

We are beaming this directly into your brain!

120 wee fury  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:09pm

re: #111 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Look at the spinning graphic behind Beck's head. Betcha it's intended to create emotion in the viewer.

It is intended to make the ET's who visit the set feel welcome.

121 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:16pm

re: #116 Sharmuta

How long until Corsi is on Nepalitano's show?

Hasn't he already been on "Fox and Friends"?

122 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:22pm

re: #99 CyanSnowHawk

You have a point, although the ruckus was over whether the firings were "politically motivated". I'm talking about terminations where the culprits richly deserved it.

123 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:28pm

re: #116 Sharmuta

How long until Corsi is on Nepalitano's show?

depends on the ratings of this gig

124 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:31pm

re: #113 albusteve

his studio is in a starship

Does this mean he might be the "after" of those alien sexual experiments?

125 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:33pm

re: #67 Floral Giraffe

From the article
"The idea was to use the April 27 flight for publicity pictures that included the Statue of Liberty and the New York skyline."

Why would they need a publicity photo?

Past Presidents have done so. The idea, in and of itself, is wholly unremarkable, it was just the choice of venue coupled with the total cone of secrecy that illustrates the utter imbecility that is the hallmark of the 44th Presidential administration.

126 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:38pm

Forget the bus, Obama has so many bodies by now he's probably using the whoooooooole train!

127 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:42pm

re: #115 CyanSnowHawk

Bus Wars I: The Phaeton Menace

YOUSA MEANS INNOCENT PEEPAS GOIN UNDA DA BUSS!

128 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #122 quickjustice

You have a point, although the ruckus was over whether the firings were "politically motivated". I'm talking about terminations where the culprits richly deserved it.

Ah.

129 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:50:56pm

Caldera has said the release will give him more time to pursue personal projects, such as getting his old band back together, and recording a sequel to their Time and Chance album.

130 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:51:13pm

Stay clear of the flu, lou
Make a new plan, stan
You don't need to be coy, roy
Just get yourself free
Hop under the bus, gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, lee
And get yourself free

131 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:51:24pm

Bus Wars II: Attack of the Volvos

132 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:51:35pm

re: #124 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Does this mean he might be the "after" of those alien sexual experiments?

it is...look at the subtle smile on his face

133 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:51:39pm

re: #109 pat

Corsi is not a Republican. Constitution Party.

GOP and the Right. Need I reemphasize it again? ;)

134 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:51:42pm

re: #117 DEZes

Is that what makes me nauseous, or is it Beck?

Five bucks on it being a deliberate attempt to influence the influence-able.

135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:52:20pm

re: #132 albusteve

it is...look at the subtle smile on his face

We don't wanna go there!

136 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:52:23pm

Hell's Buses

137 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:52:37pm

Bus Wars III: Revenge of the Blue Bird

138 JCM  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:52:58pm

re: #86 Charles

Jerome Corsi, now going on the Alex Jones show to push swine flu conspiracy gibberish:


[Video]

Pigs are aliens that are planning the conquest of planet earth?

139 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:53:24pm

Bus Wars IV: A New Flyer

140 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:53:27pm

Swine flu? Jerry must be getting pretty desperate! Does he intend to interview the affected swine? (Or is that the "infected swine?"). Surely he can find an outbreak of bubonic plague somewhere on the planet?

141 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:53:30pm

Christine II, this time....she's a bus.

142 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:53:31pm

re: #137 CyanSnowHawk

Bus Wars III: Revenge of the Blue Bird

I had one...turned it into a hippie den and drove it all the way to CA and back

143 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:53:34pm

re: #138 JCM

Pigs are aliens that are planning the conquest of planet earth?

Channeling another Mullah again?

144 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:53:41pm

re: #138 JCM

Pigs are aliens that are planning the conquest of planet earth?

PorcinePodPeople!

145 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:03pm

taking the hound.

the bus ride to hell

146 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:07pm

re: #80 quickjustice

Supposedly, the air crews that service the President get these as autographed souvenirs. That's one story that was going around. I'm not sure why a new shoot was deemed necessary, however.

Every government agency takes photos for publicity, advertising, websites and a thousand other uses. Visit the websites for NASA, any of the national parks, any government agency and you'll see hundreds of examples.

Ansel Adams' first big break was a contract for publicity photos of the National Parks. Many of those photos are among his most famous works, and are still used by the Park Service to this day.

Not certain what the precise use of these photos would be, but it certainly isn't anything out of the ordinary. Not sure, either, how old the last set is, but word is that it's pretty old and may not reflect the current appearance of the plane.

147 callahan23  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:12pm

re: #130 jorline

Stay clear of the flu, lou
Make a new plan, stan
You don't need to be coy, roy
Just get yourself free
Hop under the bus, gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, lee
And get yourself free


Classic, I still remember those lyrics by heart.

148 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:15pm

re: #140 quickjustice

Bubonic thread!

149 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:21pm

Bus Wars IV, A New Dope.

150 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:22pm

The Bus Stop Saints

151 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:26pm

Bus Wars V: The Mercedes-Benz Strikes Back

152 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:30pm

re: #138 JCM

Pigs are aliens that are planning the conquest of planet earth?

Well, do you have a better explanation for how 0bama got elected?

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:35pm

re: #138 JCM

Pigs are aliens that are planning the conquest of planet earth?

It's more avant garde than the old Birtcher fantasy about 14 million Mongolian cavalrymen galloping across the frozen Bering Strait.

154 hous bin pharteen  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:39pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Nope. It was not me. You used to see the towers from Jersey. Watch the opening to The Soprano's. Of course from the Meadowlands all you ended up seeing was the smoke going to a Giant or Devils game.

155 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:46pm

re: #125 FurryOldGuyJeans

Past Presidents have done so. The idea, in and of itself, is wholly unremarkable, it was just the choice of venue coupled with the total cone of secrecy that illustrates the utter imbecility that is the hallmark of the 44th Presidential administration.

Thanks!

156 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:55:02pm

re: #86 Charles

Jerome Corsi, now going on the Alex Jones show to push swine flu conspiracy gibberish:


[Video]

Jerome Corsi: Swine flu "expert." I like the way he says "antibiotics" regarding treatment. That would only be for complications of the flu since antibiotics have no effect on viral infections.

157 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:55:16pm

Sgt. Corsi's Lonely Hearts Club Band

158 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:55:25pm

I Blame Bus
The Failed Policies of the Bus Administration

159 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:55:28pm

Bus Wars VI: Return of the Thor

160 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:55:57pm

re: #155 Floral Giraffe

Thanks!

Always glad to help someone out.

Now which way did you come in? ;)

161 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:56:01pm

re: #159 CyanSnowHawk

Bus Wars VI: Return of the Thor

"I am THOR!"
"Really? I'm tho thorry!"

162 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:56:16pm

re: #86 Charles

Jerome Corsi, now going on the Alex Jones show to push swine flu conspiracy gibberish:


[Video]

Shoot me now. Please.

All I have left to hope for is that all this BS will drive down the price of pork. A vision of my freezer stuffed full of pork shoulder, chops and bacon might give me reason to continue living.

163 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:56:36pm

re: #161 gmsc

"I am THOR!"
"Really? I'm tho thorry!"

You're Thor? I'm tho thor I can hardly walk.

164 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:56:44pm

re: #152 gmsc

Well, do you have a better explanation for how 0bama got elected?

/the night of the voting dead...

165 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:57:03pm

Oh shit!
We have a colon thread opening up!

/pun intended

166 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:58:00pm

re: #165 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oh shit!
We have a colon thread opening up!

/pun intended

So far its just started, so its a semi-colon pun thread.

167 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:58:02pm

Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Buses

168 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:58:12pm

[Corsi demonstrating hog flu calling on camera]: "Soweeeeeee! Flu, flu , flu, flu, flu!"

169 debutaunt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:58:14pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

$357,000 Seems a little low to me. It was at least a 757 and an f15, maybe more. Flight crews, ground crews, They probably flew out of DC. I would have guessed a lot more.

How nice of them not even considering the lost productivity in NYC that day.

170 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:58:29pm

re: #164 brookly red

/the night of the voting dead...

I was sure pigs would fly before 0bama would be elected president. Now 0bama has been elected, and swine flu!

171 lawhawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:58:32pm

All that for this? This is the photo (among others that have yet to be released) that were supposedly going to be used to replace file photos of AF1 over the Statue of Liberty.

Stevie Wonder could take a better photo.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the Friday night news dump where the bad news gets thrown under the radar and the Administration takes out the trash without too many people paying attention since it's the weekend.

Stay classy White House.

172 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:58:52pm

Bus Stop...all you need is an umbrella Louis.

Damn I love this song.

173 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:59:23pm

re: #161 gmsc

"I am THOR!"
"Really? I'm tho thorry!"

"You're Thor? I'm tho thor I can hardly pith!"

174 Colin Nelson  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:59:30pm

I'm looking forward to reading/viewing Caldera's version of the total fiasco.

Be assured that all staffers close and not so close to The One, including regular government staffers are watching this one. Loyalty anyone?

Not a chance - the heat was on and there had to be a sacrifice offered to the media gods.

175 JCM  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:59:36pm

re: #143 FurryOldGuyJeans

Channeling another Mullah again?

That would be the Juice Pigs........
//

176 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:00:11pm

re: #147 callahan23

Classic, I still remember those lyrics by heart.

Simon And Garfunkel...very hard to beat.

177 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:00:12pm

re: #169 debutaunt

How nice of them not even considering the lost productivity in NYC that day.

that figure has since been updateted... the escort from Alabama cost that much in fuel alone.

178 AFVetWife  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:00:12pm

re: #52 brookly red

I sure hope this shot - and particularly the ones we're NOT seeing - never show up in a future campaign spot!

179 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:00:21pm

Trafe thread!

180 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:00:30pm

re: #166 DEZes

So far its just started, so its a semi-colon pun thread.

But it's descending.

181 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:00:56pm

re: #178 AFVetWife

I sure hope this shot - and particularly the ones we're NOT seeing - never show up in a future campaign spot!

it will, but it will be a GOP spot.

182 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:00:58pm

re: #176 jorline

Simon And Garfunkel...very hard to beat.

just Paul...no Art

183 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:01:06pm

re: #180 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But it's descending.

Can we stomach it?

184 eon  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:02:20pm

More to the point, as related in the article, The One has Changed Caldera's job (WH military liaison) from a career posting to a political appointment. Which means that in future, that post may not necessarily be filled by a military officer. Or, indeed, anyone who even understands the military.

This no doubt gives The One a warm, fuzzy feeling. But part of the ML's job is to give advice to, among others, the National Security Advisor in crisis situations. So that the NSA (another appointee) can give good advice to the National Command Authority (NCA)- meaning POTUS, or in event of incapacitation, VOTUS.

The previous arrangement dates back to the Truman Administration, and was set up that way so that even if the JCS were unavailable (First Rule of a Crisis- S#!t Happens), there would be somebody on-site with the knowledge and experience to make up the difference.

With this Change, that may no longer hold true.

According to the article, former President Bush "strongly urged" The One not to change the posting's status. (My guess is, "strongly urged" is an understatement.) This apparently caused The One to be even more determined to make the Change.

Apparently, this is because The Self-Exalted One doesn't think he needs advice. On anything.

/After all, he's The Smartest Man On Earth- isn't he?

cheers

eon

185 Perplexed  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:03:48pm

Like this wasn't expected? He knew he was potentially a sacrificial goat in this mess.

186 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:05:07pm

re: #171 lawhawk

All that for this? This is the photo (among others that have yet to be released) that were supposedly going to be used to replace file photos of AF1 over the Statue of Liberty.

Stevie Wonder could take a better photo.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the Friday night news dump where the bad news gets thrown under the radar and the Administration takes out the trash without too many people paying attention since it's the weekend.

Stay classy White House.

It is pretty crappy. Most likely it would be significantly cleaned up before use. In fairness, however, the release of even a mildly enhanced photo would send the kooks into a rabid frenzy over...well, I have no idea what that would prove, but it would be something BAD I'm sure. There are software tools available that can automatically detect an image that has had digital manipulations applied, and you just know there's some dweeb crouched down in his mom's basement running everything the government releases through those tools. So releasing an un-retouched photo is probably just a precaution.

Of course, it won't take long for someone to start bleating about the release of only a single photo, when probably hundreds were taken. And it's all those other ones that clearly show the UFO exactly paralleling the Presidential aircraft, with a Gray clearly manipulating a joystick.

Totally agree that this was dumped at the bottom of the news cycle. 0 must be getting suspicious that his lock on the media is wearing a little thin.

187 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:06:11pm

re: #183 DEZes

Can we stomach it?

*crickets*

*crickets*

*crickets*

/waiting for you to add an appendix

188 hous bin pharteen  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:07:31pm

re: #152 gmsc

Voter drug use?

189 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:08:21pm

re: #187 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Groan.

190 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:09:13pm

re: #184 eon

More to the point, as related in the article, The One has Changed Caldera's job (WH military liaison) from a career posting to a political appointment. Which means that in future, that post may not necessarily be filled by a military officer. Or, indeed, anyone who even understands the military.

This no doubt gives The One a warm, fuzzy feeling. But part of the ML's job is to give advice to, among others, the National Security Advisor in crisis situations. So that the NSA (another appointee) can give good advice to the National Command Authority (NCA)- meaning POTUS, or in event of incapacitation, VOTUS.

The previous arrangement dates back to the Truman Administration, and was set up that way so that even if the JCS were unavailable (First Rule of a Crisis- S#!t Happens), there would be somebody on-site with the knowledge and experience to make up the difference.

With this Change, that may no longer hold true.

According to the article, former President Bush "strongly urged" The One not to change the posting's status. (My guess is, "strongly urged" is an understatement.) This apparently caused The One to be even more determined to make the Change.

Apparently, this is because The Self-Exalted One doesn't think he needs advice. On anything.

/After all, he's The Smartest Man On Earth- isn't he?

cheers

eon

Like I said in an earlier post, report that 0 was "furious" over this incident probably have nothing to do with terrifying the living shit out of New Yorkers, and everything to do with the ultimate micromanager not having directly approved it in the first place. He strikes me as one of those bosses who doesn't tolerate independent thought or action; you're there to do what you're told, and he'll be looking over your shoulder constantly while you're doing it.

If true, this does not bode well for someone holding this important, complex job, or for those working for him.

191 AFVetWife  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:10:42pm

re: #181 brookly red

Oh yes! What a great idea!
I read somewhere today that SecDef Gates said no one was onboard except the usual crew. One can't help but wonder...

192 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:10:53pm

re: #187 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*crickets*

*crickets*

*crickets*

/waiting for you to add an appendix

Gonna have to bypass that for now.

193 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:10:57pm

re: #190 SixDegrees

Like I said in an earlier post, report that 0 was "furious" over this incident probably have nothing to do with terrifying the living shit out of New Yorkers, and everything to do with the ultimate micromanager not having directly approved it in the first place. He strikes me as one of those bosses who doesn't tolerate independent thought or action; you're there to do what you're told, and he'll be looking over your shoulder constantly while you're doing it.

If true, this does not bode well for someone holding this important, complex job, or for those working for him.

Or for his BP.

194 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:10:59pm

Wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round.

195 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:11:55pm

re: #182 albusteve

just Paul...no Art

You don't like the Arts?
//

196 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:12:31pm

My favourite bus song.

Youtube Video
197 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:12:40pm

re: #189 quickjustice

Groan.

It was a real gas, huh?

198 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:13:44pm

re: #172 jorline

gmta

199 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:13:53pm

re: #196 Spare O'Lake

My favourite bus song.

I agree...see my #172.

200 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:29:25pm

Interesting how this did not appear in the AP report, but it did in the Times UK:

"Mr Caldera, a former Army Secretary under President Clinton, reportedly told officials that he did not know about the fly-over plans until it was over because he had been using two e-mail accounts. He did not recall conversations with his deputy about the operation, perhaps because he had been using pain killers for severe muscle aches."

201 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:31:43pm

Here's the WH statement .pdf

[Link: static.cbslocal.com...]

202 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:33:49pm

re: #200 pink freud

Interesting how this did not appear in the AP report, but it did in the Times UK:

"Mr Caldera, a former Army Secretary under President Clinton, reportedly told officials that he did not know about the fly-over plans until it was over because he had been using two e-mail accounts. He did not recall conversations with his deputy about the operation, perhaps because he had been using pain killers for severe muscle aches."

He'll need more of those painkillers now that he's had his butt kicked....

203 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:34:00pm

re: #201 Bobibutu

Here's the WH statement .pdf

[Link: static.cbslocal.com...]

Thanks, Bobibutu, I hadn't seen that. It's in there.

204 HelloDare  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:34:36pm

Air Force One Photoshop Contest Winners ( Click on BEST )

205 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:35:30pm

re: #200 pink freud

Interesting how this did not appear in the AP report, but it did in the Times UK:

"Mr Caldera, a former Army Secretary under President Clinton, reportedly told officials that he did not know about the fly-over plans until it was over because he had been using two e-mail accounts. He did not recall conversations with his deputy about the operation, perhaps because he had been using pain killers for severe muscle aches."

This thing still stinks. If the WH report is true and correct - I would think Caldera would still have his job - unless he has a back-up plum waiting in the wings for taking the fall.

Somethings not quite right here.

206 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:35:38pm

re: #190 SixDegrees

Like I said in an earlier post, report that 0 was "furious" over this incident probably have nothing to do with terrifying the living shit out of New Yorkers, and everything to do with the ultimate micromanager not having directly approved it in the first place. He strikes me as one of those bosses who doesn't tolerate independent thought or action; you're there to do what you're told, and he'll be looking over your shoulder constantly while you're doing it.

If true, this does not bode well for someone holding this important, complex job, or for those working for him.

Nor does it bode well for the 300 million of us who are also going to be micromanaged.

207 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:37:40pm

re: #205 Bobibutu

This thing still stinks. If the WH report is true and correct - I would think Caldera would still have his job - unless he has a back-up plum waiting in the wings for taking the fall.

Somethings not quite right here.

I've not bought a word of this story from the get-go.

208 solomonpanting  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:41:14pm
But Gates also insisted that the appropriate agencies and air traffic controllers were told of the event. New York City officials have said they were asked not to inform the public beforehand.

Is that because the Feds knew New Yorkers would protest such a stunt, thereby putting on hold or eliminating the fly-over altogether?

209 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:46:02pm

re: #207 pink freud

I've not bought a word of this story from the get-go.

Nor I ... and
I was involved in County Gov for a while ... have first hand experience in the generation of these "reports" and responses to "requests" from elected powers. This one smacks of CYA for superiors as did most of the ones we generated.

We'll see what shakes out - looks like there are more than a few "rabid right wingers" who wont just let this go even with todays releases.

210 JacksonTn  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:47:20pm

re: #207 pink freud

Pink ... finally the weekend ... what I want to know is who was on the plane ... did they ever say who was on the joy ride? ...

when do you get your grades ... send pic of fern ...

211 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:47:33pm

I question the timing. It's retarded.

212 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:48:20pm

re: #209 Bobibutu

Nor I ... and
I was involved in County Gov for a while ... have first hand experience in the generation of these "reports" and responses to "requests" from elected powers. This one smacks of CYA for superiors as did most of the ones we generated.

We'll see what shakes out - looks like there are more than a few "rabid right wingers" who wont just let this go even with todays releases.

0bama has thus far proven to be immune from anyone holding his feet to the fire, so to speak. I suspect this won't be much different.

213 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:49:52pm

re: #210 JacksonTn

I doubt we'll ever know the truth of the matter.

Hmm ...pics of fern ....I shall have to get some taken for you. Will do. :-)

214 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:50:52pm

All Lizardim -

Under My Bus
The Guy who was my appointee
Under My Bus
The Guy who embarrassed me
It's new to me
How he could do
What He did
What He did do to me
It's up to us -
He's Under MY Bus
... Under Our Bus!
(With Thanx to Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones - No Apologies, I Remember "Sweet Neo-Con")

That is all.

-S-

215 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:51:23pm

The lag between the event and the firing was to line up a plum job for Mr. Caldera so he wouldn't say anything that would embarass the guilty party.*

*Who may or may not be Rahm Emmanuel, Michelle, or someone higher up

216 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:54:14pm

re: #212 pink freud

0bama has thus far proven to be immune from anyone holding his feet to the fire, so to speak. I suspect this won't be much different.

True, however I must confess that as those close to him get fried and go down - it does reflect on his judgement - and slows him down ... a good thing in my book.

217 AntiSocial  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:55:52pm

To me it looks like Obama's plane is crapping on Lady Liberty. I guess it's a perfect metaphor for Obama himself.

218 arf  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:56:58pm

Can someone please explain to me, why the New York flyover had to be a secret from the local New Yorkers?

Assume it was a good idea to do the flyover to get the photos in the first place.

What's the big deal about letting the New Yorkers know that the aircraft would do a low pass over the city? Tell the local government, they can clue in the police and various first responders. Then the locals would have enjoyed the sight instead of panicking.

Blue Angels flew over my city a while ago. They fly low enough that it's obvious to me who they are. The publicity people take the pictures of the aircraft with the city skyline visible.

I'm assuming they do things like that, from time to time, with Air Force One. Maybe I'm wrong on that. I could imagine given the current economy there would be criticism of the expenditure. Don't the pilots need a certain number of hours in the air for training?

Seems to me all the White House needed to do was common-sense notification. I fell like I'm missing something obvious, putting on my flame-resistant suit.

219 wrenchwench  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:57:33pm
Caldera to resign Aug. 1 as UNM president
By:
Posted: 1/25/06
by Felicia Fonseca

The Associated Press

ALBUQUERQUE (AP) - University of New Mexico President Louis Caldera, who has had several disagreements with the school's regents over the past year, announced Wednesday he will take an immediate leave of absence.

David Harris, executive vice president for administration at UNM, was named acting president, effective Wednesday. Caldera will resign Aug. 1 but will advise the regents and administrative officials until then.

He then will take a year off to study and write before returning in the fall of 2007 to teach at the UNM School of Law. His contract gave him an appointment as a law professor with tenure.

"It is now time for me to move on to new endeavors," Caldera said.

Neither Caldera nor the regents - who had called a special meeting Wednesday to discuss the president's contract - detailed what led him to resign.

"You go into these jobs knowing you only have a certain number of years," said Caldera.

The university released a statement saying that by mutual agreement, Caldera would not seek an extension of his contract as president beyond its July 31, 2007, expiration.

The regents said they would look for an interim president with academic experience to lead the state's largest university, which has about 32,000 students. Caldera's limited academic background had been criticized by some faculty members.

Over the past year, Caldera and the regents disagreed on efforts to tighten admission standards and over a program to give bonuses to top administrators - a program the board initially supported.

Caldera, a former U.S. Army secretary who became the university's 18th president in August 2003, said he'd known for several days he would resign.

But Faculty Senate President Christopher Smith said the faculty had been in the dark until the announcement.

"The faculty were surprised. We didn't have anything but rumors to go on," Smith said.

Faculty members want a president who will be fully committed to the university, he said.

"We always hope for a person who isn't just simply building their resume," Smith said.

Caldera had received a $25,000 bonus in 2004, and regents had praised him for a job well done. But the board withheld the bonus last year over his failure to finalize a management team or complete negotiations on a development deal in south Albuquerque.

UNM senior Seth Wilson, 21, criticized Caldera for not meeting with students.

"I've never seen him," Wilson said. "I couldn't pick him out of a lineup."

[...]

Caldera was UNM's second Hispanic president. He succeeded F. Chris Garcia, a political science professor who was interim president after the previous president resigned to join another university.

Before coming to UNM, Caldera had been vice chancellor for university advancement for the California system's 23 campuses, the nation's largest university system.

He was secretary of the Army from 1998 to 2001 under the Clinton administration. He practiced law in the Los Angeles area from 1987 to 1991, was deputy counsel for Los Angeles County in 1991 and 1992 and was in the California Legislature from 1992 to 1997.

The son of Mexican immigrants, Caldera graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in 1978. He received a law degree from Harvard Law School and an MBA from Harvard Business School in 1987.


As president of UNM, he made $322,714, including a $292,714 salary and $30,000 in deferred compensation.

220 solomonpanting  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:57:34pm
Earlier, Defense Secretary Robert Gates apologized for the incident and said it had cost as much as $357,000.

That's almost as much as Obama's proposed savings in his budget.

221 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:58:24pm

re: #215 EmmmieG

The lag between the event and the firing was to line up a plum job for Mr. Caldera so he wouldn't say anything that would embarass the guilty party.*

*Who may or may not be Rahm Emmanuel, Michelle, or someone higher up

Say it ain't so! Your mind is as suspicious as mind. ;-) see my #205.

222 wrenchwench  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:59:00pm

Ooops, here's a link to the above.

223 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:00:18pm

re: #216 Bobibutu

True, however I must confess that as those close to him get fried and go down - it does reflect on his judgement - and slows him down ... a good thing in my book.

He is a stranger to the concepts of teamwork, loyalty, and alliances. As for his judgment, from what I've seen it is suspect as a parent, much less the leader of the free world. His ignorance cannot be glossed over indefinitely.

224 irongrampa  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:00:33pm

You know, what would be interesting is to find the logs for the boat (think it's the passenger ferry for visitors) departing the Lady, and see if the time lines agree. Kinda surprised nobody's done exactly that.
As it is, all I see is a poor photo purporting to be part of the photo-op. I will believe NOTHING from this admin unless it' uncontrovertible.

225 NYCHardhat  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:01:06pm

3 years and 9 months left.

Jesus wept.

226 Achilles Tang  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:02:28pm

re: #220 solomonpanting

That's almost as much as Obama's proposed savings in his budget.

As dumbass as the stunt was, I am always amazed when I see costs associated with things like this.

Am I to believe that if this, which was also a training flight (good thing, no?), that the airplane would not have been rented for the day from Rent Any Plane Co., and all the temps would have stayed home.

Sheesh

227 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:02:34pm

re: #218 arf

We need regular reminders that he won. He can do whatever the hell he pleases and to hell with us if we don't like it. I think that's about the gist of it.

228 NYCHardhat  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:03:09pm

re: #227 pink freud

We need regular reminders that he won. He can do whatever the hell he pleases and to hell with us if we don't like it. I think that's about the gist of it.

I hate him.

229 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:03:10pm

re: #225 NYCHardhat

Hey, just so you know. See the image in question? When I said "Bayonne, Jersey City, Newark" I was estimating the cities in the background. It looks like it's Jersey City.

230 NYCHardhat  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:04:06pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Hey, just so you know. See the image in question? When I said "Bayonne, Jersey City, Newark" I was estimating the cities in the background. It looks like it's Jersey City.

I thought you meant the crater that NJ is. I live there so I'm a little sensitive.

231 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:04:43pm

re: #218 arf

Yeah - well, join the club. Most are waiting for the obvious cover-up to get some sunshine.

Either we have some severely dysfunctional people in power positions in the WH or someone is full of ka-ka-poo-poo, or both.

Yes, enquiring minds wish to know.

232 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:05:06pm

re: #230 NYCHardhat

I thought you meant the crater that NJ is. I live there so I'm a little sensitive.

Nah. Heck I've lived in Brooklyn and South Jersey many moons ago.

233 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #228 NYCHardhat

Yeah.

234 NYCHardhat  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:06:58pm

re: #232 Gus 802

Nah. Heck I've lived in Brooklyn and South Jersey many moons ago.

Bay Ridge for me. You?

235 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:08:08pm

re: #234 NYCHardhat

Bay Ridge for me. You?

Bay Ridge? I was a kid but it was the 100 block Bay 22nd Street. Also went to Saint Finbars for about 2 years.

236 NYCHardhat  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:08:43pm

re: #235 Gus 802

Bay Ridge? I was a kid but it was the 100 block Bay 22nd Street. Also went to Saint Finbars for about 2 years.

94th street by the Verrazano. I went to St. Patrick's.

237 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:09:43pm

re: #236 NYCHardhat

94th street by the Verrazano. I went to St. Patrick's.

Cool. I remember seeing them finish up the Verrazano. I guess that was the lower deck.

238 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:11:09pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

Ooops, here's a link to the above.

The guy really has his share of scars. A good soldier - someone you can count on to take a hit for you. He will be taken care of as he has been. It will be interesting to track him from here.

239 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:18:03pm

If Obama wasn't on board. Then why did they have TWO F-16 following the 747?
I know one was high and one low, but why even have them?

240 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:18:32pm

re: #218 arf

Even after being told, I can tell you that New Yorkers would have objected very strongly, even those who were dumb enough to vote for Hussein...no one who was affected that day would want to even hear that horrifying sound. The whole disgraceful 'show' was also seen and heard in NJ, where is also caused panic.

I still think that Hussein thought it up, and is scapegoating Caldera...in Hussein's eyes? Hussein is perfect, and does not have to take responsibility for anything he does.

His love of self shows so blatantly in his treatment of his innocent little daughters...the 'dog kerfuffle' was something that no caring parent, from a street sweeper to a President, would ever do to their child(ren)...and that Michelle didn't give a damn speaks volumes about those 2 self-absorbed jackasses.

Everything is them, them, them.

If it were someone in your neighborhood? You could ignore them, but when it is the President and First Lady? They are a danger to us all, and they have an agenda, I will bet, that we will all live to regret, and those who voted for him? They will be quivering under the bed...just like Hussein would be, if G-d forbid the 3 AM call ever comes in...

G-d bless America, and G-d save America.

241 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:22:12pm

re: #227 pink freud

We need regular reminders that he won. He can do whatever the hell he pleases and to hell with us if we don't like it. I think that's about the gist of it.

You have it all, in a nutshell.

242 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:22:39pm

re: #240 NY Nana

You're still earning downdings from he-who-objects-to-"Hussein".

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Just the article, this time.

243 Hawaii69  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:28:16pm

re: #83 hous bin pharteen

Why all those NYC folks running in fear out of them offices? They elected him. What do they expect? It wasn't the next one................yet.

For the source of that smell, look inward

244 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:29:01pm

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Last week, Mr. Obama ordered a deputy chief of staff, Jim Messina, to
review the incident. And on Friday afternoon, a seven-page review of
the matter was released, along with the photograph.

Mr. Messina, in his memorandum to the president, said that “structural
and organizational ambiguities” in the White House Military Office led
to a series of miscommunications and senior aides to the president
were not advised of the flyover that had been in the planning stages
since March.

“The breakdown was the lack of public notification,” the memorandum
states, adding that Mr. Caldera believed others had been notified
about the flight.

“If he had been aware that the flight would cause so much trouble or
any embarrassment to the president or to the White House,” the report
said, “he never would have allowed it to go forward.”

245 JacksonTn  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:32:15pm

re: #227 pink freud

Pink ... I had to laugh ... you were so right about "the one without a body" ... LOL ... same visual I get ...

246 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:33:08pm

re: #245 JacksonTn

Mmmhmmm. ;-)

And what about the other? Am I close?

247 nyc redneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:33:10pm

o did not "accept" the resignation of the military officer.
these scum forced him to fall on the sword.
what cowards. libs can not be trusted. they have no honor.
the last thing i would ever want in a fox hole w/ me is a fcking lib.

248 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:34:18pm

re: #247 nyc redneck

o did not "accept" the resignation of the military officer.
these scum forced him to fall on the sword.
what cowards. libs can not be trusted. they have no honor.
the last thing i would ever want in a fox hole w/ me is a fcking lib.

That's all "0-speak". They're getting real good at it real fast.

249 JacksonTn  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:35:02pm

re: #246 pink freud

Pink ... not sure about that ... hey ... that backyard fern sounds like something out of Little Shop of Horrors ... you better watch out you may get eaten ...

250 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:36:20pm

re: #249 JacksonTn

My pride and joy. :-)

251 nyc redneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:37:27pm

re: #248 pink freud

That's all "0-speak". They're getting real good at it real fast.

they didn't have to fire that guy. the whole thing had basically gone away.
no one called for anyone's head. o did this because he is a ruthless s.o.b.

socialists do not give a fck abt. human beings.
except as props to be used.

252 Hawaii69  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:39:26pm

Enjoy your down-dings. When I see a disgusting quote that makes light of 1000's dying in New York, I'll point it out.

If you think it's funny that they deserved to be scared, or worse, by the flyby because they were "obama voters", you are a small, and pathetic human being.

No offense to actual human beings intended

253 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:39:54pm

re: #251 nyc redneck

The way I see it, Rahm, Pelosi Axelrod, and Reid ....they're the only ones "safe" at this point. Everyone else is expendable in the blink of an eye. Even those four ....if it comes to the nut-cuttin', they will go too.

People have a way of looking out for their skins. 0 doesn't quite grasp that, I don't believe. It will cost him in the long run.

254 Hawaii69  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:42:59pm

re: #247 nyc redneck

o did not "accept" the resignation of the military officer.
these scum forced him to fall on the sword.
what cowards. libs can not be trusted. they have no honor.
the last thing i would ever want in a fox hole w/ me is a fcking lib.


Yes....and Colin Powell spontaneously resigned because he wanted to work on his tennis game.

255 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:54:05pm

re: #242 pink freud

I saw...what a pathetic little baby.

Do you remember when we could post in colors? I would love to spell out H-U-S-S-E-I-N in bright colors! ;)

The stupidest part of it is that he objects to what is the real middle name...how many of us have given less than polite names to people, and the adults here never ding down just for the nic, unless it was an evil dictator....wait a minute! ;)

He seems to be a good poster, and that is what is all the more bizarre. A number of Jewish bloggers use the name 'Hussein' in their blogs when they are writing about The Manchurian Candidate, and deservedly so.

/I wonder what said infantile delinquent will be when he grows up!

256 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:59:55pm

re: #255 NY Nana

LOL! ....Yes, I remember the Ed the weather forecaster's blinding posts quite well.

The kid needs to grow up, I s'pose. We all do at some point, his turn just hasn't arrived yet. I find him amusing ...I can almost taste the indignation.

257 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:00:17pm

re: #230 NYCHardhat

I thought you meant the crater that NJ is. I live there so I'm a little sensitive.

NYC Hardhat -

I too live in the BANKRUPT STATE of NJ. NJ as CA is Broke and Bankrupt. If schadenfreude were my controlling emotion, I would be applauding it - and laughing AS IT HAPPENED. Problem Is - I LIVE HERE.
I will vote for Lonnegin in the NJ Republican Primary - If For No Other Reason than he is the "Scary One" - Chris Christie - Not So Much, though I would vote for him in a General Election, should it come to that.
It is 1993 all over again here. Christie Whitman won her first of two (2) terms by being a viable alternative to "the same old POOP."
Say what you will about her current politics - She Ran a Generally Clean Administration for eight (8) years, keeping taxation in check. Truth be told, if all of the 50 states had a Christie Whitman in charge, things, overall would be better. The ONLY apparent difference that you would see in the Press would be a larger percentage of Female Appointees to high level positions. Perhaps, NOT a Bad Idea. That is all.

-S-

258 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:06:50pm

re: #256 pink freud

Alas, Ed has gone over to the dark side.

/But those posts really were great. He was damned good re weather forecasting, at least.

259 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:10:05pm

re: #256 pink freud

Forgot! The one who's nic sounds like a famous aspirin has a very small amount of karma, and when I just looked at his posts, he was very sarky to a Lizard.

/Must be his time of the month....with 365 days...366 in a Leap Year.

260 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:13:39pm

re: #259 NY Nana

It does have a bad attitude, I have noticed. We call that "hostile attribution bias". It is on scroll-by for me.

261 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:14:16pm

re: #257 Dr. Shalit

You're from Joisey? Who knew? ;) Oldest son and family live in Maplewood.

262 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:18:56pm

re: #260 pink freud

It does have a bad attitude, I have noticed. We call that "hostile attribution bias". It is on scroll-by for me.

Do you mind if I join you? I think I will now take Aleve™ to alleviate the headache I just got reading some of it's stuff. I had to smack my fingers to not ding it down, and I did not. But I was sorely tempted. I saved the original and today's, BTW, as souvenirs. ;)

263 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:21:54pm

re: #262 NY Nana

I'd be honored to have your company, Nana!

You know, I wish we were able to see a cumulative dinging record. I see red flash by on the spy with its name attached quite often, more than I would have thought.

264 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:26:58pm

re: #263 pink freud

And I am honored to share this noble action with you! ;)

As for the Spy? I have only used it a few times. If the creep keeps it up, he may join the list of ex-lizards who were deemed to be serial dingers...ding-a-lings?

I will not ding anyone down unless they did it the old-fashioned way; they earned it.

265 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:27:33pm

re: #261 NY Nana

You're from Joisey? Who knew? ;) Oldest son and family live in Maplewood.

Nana -

Originally Middlesex County, NOW - ASBURY PARK, Monmouth County, the Seashore about 15 miles from the Revolutionary Battle of Monmouth Courthouse (Freehold).
Was born in the "Sixth Boro of New York" - Perth Amboy, NJ 08861, a few blocks from the former "Majestic Theatre" - two doors up from Fishkin Bothers Sporting Goods, Etc. Store.
Or, as we used to say, in pre-GPS days, in Woodbridge Center - "Starting From Sam Goody's..."

-S-

266 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:30:17pm

re: #263 pink freud

I remember when Charles first started the + and - system, and you could not tell who had dug you one way or another. Amazing how things changed when the system showed the nic....but some people still will do it for all the wrong reasons.

/They really need to get a life.

267 dak  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:32:42pm

Allright. So maybe it was kinda stupid from the administration. But the overreaction is also stupid.

Air Force One is just about the most famous plane after Enola Gay. People see this sucker on the news just about every other week, when Obama goes on one of his apology tours.

So this Bimbo jet goes around a lazy tour of Manhattan with a couple of fighters flying wing. And people freak out. If it had been King Kong or Godzilla, they woulda gone out and try to feed them bananas.

Not like it's diving kamikaze style with tracers all around it.

Now I don't like Obama, but to me it's pretty much a non-event. I know, whatddya expect from Liberals in NY, they don't know a Boeing from a Mitsubishi. Actually, they prolly prefer a Mitsubishi.

So anyway, another one under the bus. Prolly takes the heat off the real issue, like handing over Chrysler to the union over the actual investors.

268 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:36:41pm

re: #266 NY Nana

I remember when Charles first started the + and - system, and you could not tell who had dug you one way or another. Amazing how things changed when the system showed the nic....but some people still will do it for all the wrong reasons.

/They really need to get a life.

Yes, I remember well. I thought it was pointless and didn't understand why it was implemented. Now, I see certain benefits ...especially to Charles. When I've had an especially rough day, I like to sit here and upding away (lol) ....just makes me feel better.

269 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:37:36pm

re: #267 dak

dak -

And if you are the REAL LEGENDARY "DAK" - My salutations and thanks 'Drew.

Even the Chrysler "Deal" is a 'Head Fake' - The Real Deal is POWER GRAB.

That is all.

-S-

270 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:47:17pm

re: #265 Dr. Shalit

Hello, almost-neighbor! The only places that I am really familiar with (we are near the CT border) in NJ are Somerset, where one of my cousins lived until they moved to FL, in retirement.

Our oldest son moved to Short Hills some years back, as he had a job there, and when he married, to S. Orange, and now they have a house in Maplewood, (the hilly side of the street)...and the jug handles? Fuhgetaboutit! The only reason that I let NJ drivers off lightly is because I am a Bostonian by birth. ;)

271 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:48:43pm

re: #270 NY Nana

Mail to you.

272 eXcel  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:50:19pm

re: #16 Gus 802

I don't think it would even be accepted for airliners.net.

A.net would never accept that photo, not even close.

273 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 7:15:28pm

re: #267 dak

There were indies, Republicans, Democrats, name it..and foreigners in the Twin Towers on 9/11. The bastard cult of islam members who went into them that horrific day did not need party affiliations...they killed their own, too, who were working there. Race, religion, country of origin? It mattered not, nor did it for the planes that were flown into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and the field in PA.

Anyone who saw the planes actually flying in will never, ever get that image out of their minds. Never. Those who lost parents, children, friends, neighbors...name it, are still traumatized. We were safe at home that day, in a NY suburb, and saw almost all of it on TV, while 2 sons, our only daughter and a daughter in law were either at work or on their way, into Manhattan.

One son was driving to give a lecture in NJ, and our daughter in law was at home, in NJ...we did not find out until a few years after that our son in NJ was driving on the NJ Turnpike, and saw it from his car. he and so many others on the NJT also saw...they pulled over to the side of the road, in shock.

And anyone in their right mind who could even think of having any plane fly that low over NYC? They are both brainless and heartless, and anyone who trivializes what was done with AF One was no big deal can sod off....people are still traumatized by that day still. I hold Hussein 100% responsible.

Get a heart. You need one.

I am getting off this thread now. I am too angry to post.

274 NY Nana  Fri, May 8, 2009 7:21:49pm

re: #271 pink freud

Received and answered. ;)

275 Billy Hank  Sat, May 9, 2009 5:49:15am

re: #218 arf

Exacakitally. As a former AF PIO and aerial photographer, two points -

1. I would have publicized the hell out of the flight as a "Stand Tall America" kind of flight and let all the media know the time a day in advance. I'm assuming AF1 (or SAMxxxx) and escorts have enough ECM to handle any threat. I would have stressed that the Administration was cleverly taking advantage of recurrent training requirements to update photos of the new paint job or whatever. Since I know the MSM are on their knees for the Administration, I know there would not be much blowback. If the true purpose of the mission was footage for the upcoming Tuskegee Airmen Red Tail movie (ALANG F-16 chase), I might have had to do some thinking to tweak the story line.

2. It is hard to avoid canopy reflections on some sun angle shots. You've got to manuever into several positions to get a clear shot. I often found going into a bank or going inverted helped get the best shot. A polarizing filter often helped.

276 melvinwinter  Sat, May 9, 2009 6:18:59am

Then who's responsible for this photo-op:

[Link: optoons.blogspot.com...]

277 Mezzetino  Sat, May 9, 2009 7:07:13am

Why the hell was all this even necessary? Photoshop isn't that expensive.

278 ibu guru  Sat, May 9, 2009 8:27:34am

Who is the brainless oaf who came up with the idea of spending $357K (or whatever) for this errant nonsense? This dopey idea resulted in terrifying a substantial portion of the population of NYC & surrounds, wasted a fortune of taxpayers' money, and ended up with such a lousy photo no photographers worth their salt would allow it to be in their portfolio.

Worse, will BO's "investigation" actually determine who's really responsible for all this, and will that person be charged for instigating terrorism? One can only suspect that the Emperor himself came up with this nutcase notion and the collape of the Caldera is designed to obfuscate the source of the lavaflow.

279 MacDuff  Sat, May 9, 2009 9:46:11am

re: #267 dak

Allright. So maybe it was kinda stupid from the administration. But the overreaction is also stupid.

Air Force One is just about the most famous plane after Enola Gay. People see this sucker on the news just about every other week, when Obama goes on one of his apology tours.

So this Bimbo jet goes around a lazy tour of Manhattan with a couple of fighters flying wing. And people freak out. If it had been King Kong or Godzilla, they woulda gone out and try to feed them bananas.

Not like it's diving kamikaze style with tracers all around it.

Now I don't like Obama, but to me it's pretty much a non-event. I know, whatddya expect from Liberals in NY, they don't know a Boeing from a Mitsubishi. Actually, they prolly prefer a Mitsubishi.

So anyway, another one under the bus. Prolly takes the heat off the real issue, like handing over Chrysler to the union over the actual investors.

With all due respect, were I in NYC and saw a low flying airliner being trailed by F16s, I don't think I would notice the markings on the airliner itself. I would be finding a way to get the hell out of it's flight path.

I also don't think that the people who witnessed 9/11 firsthand paused to think "was that a United or an American airliner?".

280 arf  Sat, May 9, 2009 8:22:45pm

Have they found a way to blame Bush?


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