New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd very obviously plagiarized Josh Marshall, in yet another editorial bashing the Bush administration: NY Times’ Maureen Dowd Plagiarizes TPM’s Josh Marshall.
Increasingly, this is what the New York Times — and Fox News — does: appropriate the work of bloggers and claim it as their own. We’re unpaid and uncredited research assistants.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:04:40pm |
Do they award Pulitzer's for cutting and pasting now?
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Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 6:04:50pm |
Increasingly, this is what the New York Times does — appropriate the work of bloggers and claim it as their own.
Ditto for fox news.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:05:46pm |
Maureen Dowd and SNL. Without Bush bashing they have nothing.
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MJ Sun, May 17, 2009 6:06:10pm |
The plagiarism is bad enough.
However, it's what the NYT promotes in it's editorials and by it's columnists and they way the distort the news by selective reporting which is the real problem.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:06:42pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
Ditto for fox news.
Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al should send royalty checks out to some bloggers...their entire shows are usually about stuff we chat about the night before
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:06:55pm |
MoDo will catch hell for this one, and no one deserves it more.
She's been spending too much time in Hollywood at the upfronts and not enough time researching.
Might be time for another time out.... this one seems to have worn off. Hope she hasn't been hanging around her old bff Aaron Sorkin and his white stuff again...
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:07:24pm |
re: #5 Desert Dog
Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al should send royalty checks out to some bloggers...their entire shows are usually about stuff we chat about the night before
So internet discussions are off limits to Limbaugh and Hannity?
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:08:42pm |
Pathetic. She couldn't even be bothered to change a couple of words.
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:08:52pm |
re: #3 kansas
Dubya's nickname for her was The Cobra.
Pretty dead on.
It's hard to imagine that her little sister is a rock ribbed Republican, and her brother as well.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:09:55pm |
re: #9 tradewind
Dubya's nickname for her was The Cobra.
Pretty dead on.
It's hard to imagine that her little sister is a rock ribbed Republican, and her brother as well.
I bet Thanksgiving and Christmas are a hoot. I think I'd like to see that.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:09:56pm |
re: #7 kansas
So internet discussions are off limits to Limbaugh and Hannity?
If they stopped reading blogs what would they talk about? My point is they present their shows many times without giving credit to their sources. Do you think they do?
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edge Sun, May 17, 2009 6:10:51pm |
Another day. Another instance of plagiarism in the NYT. Why bother paying for the NYT when you can get the content for free and a day before the paper hits the stands. How? Just read the Lefty blogs.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:11:25pm |
re: #11 Desert Dog
If they stopped reading blogs what would they talk about? My point is they present their shows many times without giving credit to their sources. Do you think they do?
Why should they. You think public discussions have to be credited? Plus you think we have like incredibly unusual topics?
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MJ Sun, May 17, 2009 6:11:27pm |
Consider the difference between the NYT and the WaPo. Today the WaPo ran an editorial which took to task the Left-wing of the Democratic Party. It reminded them that there is actually a war going on. Does anyone believe for one moment the NYT would support military tribunals of any sort? Or that America really does have enemies?
Mr. Obama's War?
No. Like it or not, it's America's war.
Sunday, May 17, 2009
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S clashes with the liberal base of his party are the kind of sporting event that Washington loves. But what Mr. Obama is confronting is less his party and more a stubborn reality that many in his party are unwilling to accept: There are forces in the world that continue to wage war against the United States and its allies, whether or not the United States wants to acknowledge that war.
Mr. Obama's recent decisions on paying for Afghanistan, reviving military tribunals and withholding photos of detainee abuse, among others, all reflect this reality. Although we disagreed with his conclusion on the photos, we sympathize with his concern that it might harm Americans fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. His announcement Friday that he had reversed his opposition to trying some enemy detainees in military commissions reflects, again, the fact of a nation at war; the federal courts will not be the proper venue for every al-Qaeda member captured by U.S. forces. (In a separate editorial we offer some views on how to improve the commissions further.) His commitment to fighting al-Qaeda and its allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan recognizes that pretending a threat does not exist will only increase the danger to America....
What's discouraging is how quickly many Americans seem to forget the peril of half-finishing wars. Once before this country abandoned the battlefield in central Asia; Osama bin Laden moved into the vacuum. Today, he and like-minded terrorists continue to conspire in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and elsewhere. Confronted by this unpleasant truth and the difficult challenge it poses, too many politicians lapse into the wishful-thinking school of making policy.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sun, May 17, 2009 6:13:11pm |
I can't wear to see how she spins this to put the blame on Cheney.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:13:14pm |
re: #14 kansas
Why should they. You think public discussions have to be credited? Plus you think we have like incredibly unusual topics?
Yes, Kansas, I think everything should be credited. You should credit me for this. Please send my check asap.
/wtf?
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Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 6:13:29pm |
Dowd should try the pelosi defense. She was misled into thinking this was an original paragraph by CIA psy-ops.
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:14:05pm |
OMG. How lame is this? Lame lame lame...
She beats Nancy Pelosi for lame explanations...
[Link: www.nytpick.com...]
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:14:32pm |
re: #20 Sharmuta
Dowd should try the pelosi defense. She was misled into thinking this was an original paragraph by CIA psy-ops.
She should try the Wookie defense, I think Nancy's line of reasoning is not working so well.
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:14:36pm |
re: #15 MJ
It would have been nice if they expressed these sentiments while Bush was president.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:15:54pm |
re: #19 Desert Dog
Yes, Kansas, I think everything should be credited. You should credit me for this. Please send my check asap.
/wtf?
So you want Limbaugh to mention Desert Dog?
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Jimmah Sun, May 17, 2009 6:16:09pm |
Maybe she was correcting typos under poor lighting conditions./
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:16:58pm |
re: #24 kansas
So you want Limbaugh to mention Desert Dog?
Yes, he should talk about nothing but Desert Dog because if he says something about Kansas, he or she will get all worked up over nothing.
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:17:30pm |
re: #21 tradewind
OMG. How lame is this? Lame lame lame...
She beats Nancy Pelosi for lame explanations...
[Link: www.nytpick.com...]
There is no way she would have inadvertently gotten a word for word copy of what was written on TPM. If she claims her friend said it to her, unless she had the friend state it slowly while she copied it down, again, no way you get such a carbon copy of the original work.
That lame excuse should get her fired, if the plagiarism wouldn't.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:19:16pm |
re: #27 livefreeor die
There is no way she would have inadvertently gotten a word for word copy of what was written on TPM. If she claims her friend said it to her, unless she had the friend state it slowly while she copied it down, again, no way you get such a carbon copy of the original work.
That lame excuse should get her fired, if the plagiarism wouldn't.
I rarely agreed with Maureen Dowd, but I at least thought that poison pen of her's was spewing forth original vitriol. Guess not.
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lawhawk Sun, May 17, 2009 6:19:35pm |
And Dowd's lame ass excuse? A friend told her that and she included the comment.
Yeah. She was going to plagiarize her friend, and that was supposedly acceptable, but anyone with a pulse could read the quote and see that it was pretty much a word for word cut and paste.
Reprehensible.
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:19:53pm |
re: #27 livefreeor die
She's lying through her teeth. I just wonder how far the Old Gray Bag will go to protect her.
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 6:20:34pm |
re: #16 windhorse
Is the New York Times still in business?
Yeah, I was going to ask, what ever happened to Maureen Dowd, did they ever let her out of Happy Acres? Gosh, not much more than a year ago, she was, like, still relevant, if already repulsive.
Somehow, under the Obamanation, we have other things to worry about, I guess.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:20:44pm |
re: #5 Desert Dog
Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al should send royalty checks out to some bloggers...their entire shows are usually about stuff we chat about the night before
Aren't comments public domain?
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Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 6:21:10pm |
There is no honor among thieves. Or journalists.
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Last Mohican Sun, May 17, 2009 6:21:34pm |
She plagiarized an entire 43-word sentence, exactly, verbatim, word-for-word, with only one small modification: she changed "we" to "the Bush crowd." When she was confronted with what she had done, she responded that she had never read Josh's column, but she got this idea from some friend, who apparently had read the column. She's claiming that her recollection of her friend's recollection of the column just happened to match 42 of the 43 words exactly?
I don't even see how someone can even attempt an obvious lie like this. If I had committed an obvious act of plagiarism like this at any point in my education, I probably would have been expelled. If I did it in my professional career, my professional career would be over immediately. But Maureen Dowd will probably keep her job, and the NYT's readers won't think any less of her or the NYT. Even though some of those readers are the very same people professors who would have expelled me, or killed my career in medicine, if I had done the same thing.
Why?
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big steve Sun, May 17, 2009 6:22:00pm |
Call me naive but those two quotes are word for word exact. How does one person tell another person some idea and than person 2 writes it for their column and it comes out that exact. The explanation has "Pelosi" written all over it......Maureen needs to come clean, this is totally a cut and paste job.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:22:14pm |
re: #33 Soona'
Aren't comments public domain?
I have no idea, ask Lawhawk. I know that it is courtesy to give a hat tip.
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:22:39pm |
re: #30 lawhawk
Here's why it's even more lame: anyone who follows MoDo knows that what she loves more than even gratuitous alliteration is name dropping. If ' a friend' had given her that, she would have gone out of her way to name him or her. She name drops shamelessly, and if you do a search for how many times she says ' a friend of mine told me ' or ' according to a friend', your head would spin.
This is hilarious.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 6:23:04pm |
re: #35 Last Mohican
She's claiming that her recollection of her friend's recollection of the column just happened to match 42 of the 43 words exactly?
It happens ,,,,,umm,,, yup , all the time ,,,,,uh huh,,, nothing to see here ,, move along!
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 6:23:38pm |
re: #32 itellu3times
really..... it is like she was starved for attention...... had to do something.... anything....
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:23:47pm |
re: #39 sattv4u2
She's claiming that her recollection of her friend's recollection of the column just happened to match 42 of the 43 words exactly?It happens ,,,,,umm,,, yup , all the time ,,,,,uh huh,,, nothing to see here ,, move along!
Bush...Cheney....evil....ummmhummm.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, May 17, 2009 6:23:53pm |
If the primary substance of a news report is based either on quotes or principle themes from a particular source, the source should be credited. If the topic has spread beyond a few recognizable sources, it does not need to be credited.
Sometimes (it has happened to LGF) long exact quotes have been plagiarized by newsmen without any attempt at revealing the source of the story. That is wrong.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 6:24:25pm |
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:24:27pm |
re: #32 itellu3times
Did they ever let her out of Happy Acres Silver Hills?
FTFY
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Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 6:25:27pm |
Even other bloggers lift stuff without credit. Some fascist enabling bloggers saw fit to lift Last Mohican's comments on the fake pali ER video, and credit him, but not the blog where the comment first appeared- LGF.
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big steve Sun, May 17, 2009 6:25:41pm |
ok Lizards lets do an experiment here.....below I have cut and pasted a quote from Last Mohican's last post that is about the same length as Dowd's. Read it and then WITH OUT REFERRING TO IT try to write it down as close as you can....ready....go....
But Maureen Dowd will probably keep her job, and the NYT's readers won't think any less of her or the NYT. Even though some of those readers are the very same people professors who would have expelled me, or killed my career in medicine, if I had done the same thing.
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lawhawk Sun, May 17, 2009 6:26:05pm |
Well, the Times does have an easy way to solve this.
Fire MoDo. Hire Josh Marshall.
Problem fixed.
You get the same content for a fraction of the price, and you might actually get original content from time to time.
Besides, Josh Marshall writes talking points, so it's not like he doesn't know what he's doing (and it's proof positive that MoDo uses his talking points).
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brookly red Sun, May 17, 2009 6:27:14pm |
/How come when every paper runs the exact same words to praise the One, no body talks plagiarism?
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 6:27:39pm |
re: #48 lawhawk
Well, the Times does have an easy way to solve this.
Fire MoDo. Hire Josh Marshall.
Problem fixed.
You get the same content for a fraction of the price, and you might actually get original content from time to time.
Besides, Josh Marshall writes talking points, so it's not like he doesn't know what he's doing (and it's proof positive that MoDo uses his talking points).
But what the Times will probably do is kick Dowd upstairs (with a hefty raise and shiney new title) and hire Marshall at twice what Dowd makes!
CHANGE !
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Macker Sun, May 17, 2009 6:27:40pm |
Will this improve her chances to go out on a date? I heard she had issues with that....
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freedomplow Sun, May 17, 2009 6:28:32pm |
Now both of them need to justify their bogus accusation.
No Waterboarding Used in Questioning On Al-Qaeda Ties to Iraq, Officials Say
"Questions were asked about Iraq, but the notion that waterboarding was used to extract from either an admission that Iraq and al-Qaeda had a relationship is false, period," he added.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:28:38pm |
I cannot link the actual article (The Gorn blocked me). But, if you go to the NYT website now and load up the article, scroll to the very bottom
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:29:11pm |
re: #50 brookly red
/How come when every paper runs the exact same words to praise the One, no body talks plagiarism?
Same thing with MFMSM news people. Rush has demonstrated that time after time.
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Shug Sun, May 17, 2009 6:29:13pm |
The words of Dowd a a living relic.
quoting her is like readling a cave petroglyph or whats written on the wall of a sunken ship.
attn : Maureen : you no longer matter.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:29:44pm |
re: #56 Soona'
Same thing with MFMSM news people. Rush has demonstrated that time after time.
Does he use IBID when he does that?/
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:29:52pm |
I'm still trying to figure out how Cheney tricked her into doing this.
/
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 6:30:35pm |
re: #60 livefreeor die
I'm still trying to figure out how Cheney tricked her into doing this.
/
waterboarding!
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sun, May 17, 2009 6:30:38pm |
re: #30 lawhawk
And Dowd's lame ass excuse? A friend told her that and she included the comment.
Yeah. She was going to plagiarize her friend, and that was supposedly acceptable, but anyone with a pulse could read the quote and see that it was pretty much a word for word cut and paste.
Reprehensible.
The friend "told her" in an email which he cut and paste from TPM site. Why would everyone assume this alleged friend "told her" in meatspace?
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Jimmah Sun, May 17, 2009 6:30:46pm |
"If you must write your prose and poems
Your words should be your own -
don't plagiarize or take on loan
Cos there's always someone, somewhere,
With a big nose, who knows
And who'll trip you up and laugh when you fall"
-The Smiths, Cemetery Gates
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ladycatnip Sun, May 17, 2009 6:31:23pm |
So the upshot of all the msm plagiarism from the blogosphere will be to charge bloggers for blogging.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:31:33pm |
re: #55 Desert Dog
I cannot link the actual article (The Gorn blocked me). But, if you go to the NYT website now and load up the article, scroll to the very bottom
An earlier version of this column failed to attribute a paragraph about the timeline for prisoner abuse to Josh Marshall’s blog at Talking Points Memo.
Guess that is the end of that?
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KSK Sun, May 17, 2009 6:32:08pm |
“More and more the timeline is raising the question of why, if the torture was to prevent terrorist attacks, it seemed to happen mainly during the period when we were looking for what was essentially political information to justify the invasion of Iraq.”
Wow, to "remember" such a contorted sentence verbatim... Dowd is a genius.
The quote is nonsense, too, but I guess that's not relevant for the NYT
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:32:09pm |
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 6:32:09pm |
Mark Twain tells a story, of going to hear a politician speak, and goes up to talk with him afterwards. "That was a great speech," he says, "but I have a book at home that contains every word."
"Impossible!" blusters the politician.
The next day, he received from Twain a copy of the dictionary.
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:32:37pm |
re: #51 sattv4u2
She was Howell Raines' fair haired babe when he was editor... the only columnist allowed to actually live in the city she covered when he ordered all others home to NYC. I loved to read her social commentary, when she bashed both sides. It's when she decided she had the chops to write political criticism and analyze State that she became so twisted.
Dowd never got over Dubya pulling her front row press pass. She'll never get another Pulitzer if she sticks to this BDS schtick.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:32:42pm |
re: #20 Sharmuta
Dowd should try the pelosi defense. She was misled into thinking this was an original paragraph by CIA psy-ops.
Two uppity assholes who are in trouble?
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 6:32:43pm |
Maureen Dowd's bad week of blithering responses about why she did nothing after being briefed on torture has given Republicans one of their happiest — and harpy-est — weeks in a long time.
(I only changed two words Maureen)
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:33:47pm |
re: #68 Soona'
Pardon my ignorance. IBID?
Maybe no caps? ibid. definition
ibid.
Etymology: L ibidem
in the same place: used in referring again to the book, page, etc. cited just before
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experiencedtraveller Sun, May 17, 2009 6:34:23pm |
re: #35 Last Mohican
I don't even see how someone can even attempt an obvious lie like this.
Its a fine example of Pelosian tradecraft.
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 6:34:36pm |
re: #20 Sharmuta
Dowd should try the pelosi defense. She was misled into thinking this was an original paragraph by CIA psy-ops.
She will, Sharmuta, she will.
... and won't even credit you for the suggestion!
(hi, modo, I know you're lurking)
| 77 |
Randall Gross Sun, May 17, 2009 6:34:41pm |
Hey, what's a little intellectual property matter to a couple of socialists anyway?
///
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 6:34:48pm |
Good Evening Lizards!
Halftime is over..Celtics need to step it up..
As bad as a writer as I am..I have never ripped anybody off..
So I have more cred right now than a NYT's Columnist.. I'm feeling pretty good about that right now
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Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 6:35:17pm |
Integrity is a rare commodity. Charlatans are a dime a dozen.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:35:34pm |
re: #78 HoosierHoops
Good Evening Lizards!
Halftime is over..Celtics need to step it up..
As bad as a writer as I am..I have never ripped anybody off..
So I have more cred right now than a NYT's Columnist.. I'm feeling pretty good about that right now
If you are using Dowd you are setting a really low standard for yourself.
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:36:05pm |
Maybe she figured that both NYT readers don't also read Talking Points Memo?
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cronus Sun, May 17, 2009 6:36:57pm |
re: #77 Thanos
Hey, what's a little intellectual property matter to a couple of socialists anyway?
///
They really are "The People's" words after all.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:37:21pm |
re: #81 livefreeor die
Maybe she figured that both NYT readers don't also read Talking Points Memo?
Not too smart to lift it off of a blog that many of her readers also read. She did not think anyone would notice?
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big steve Sun, May 17, 2009 6:37:32pm |
so is the term for this a "Nancy Dowd" or does it become a "Maureen Pelosi"
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 6:37:35pm |
re: #79 Sharmuta
Integrity is a rare commodity. Charlatans are a dime a dozen.
Yes, integrity is rare, but I wonder at the price, as there seems almost no demand for it, either.
/sad
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lawhawk Sun, May 17, 2009 6:38:22pm |
re: #62 Alouette
I'm aware of that, although I'm laughing at her excuse that she thinks it okay since it was a friend that told it to her.
She didn't provide attribution to a friend, let alone to the original source. It's her mess, and now the lie is more hilarious because of it.
| 88 |
Randall Gross Sun, May 17, 2009 6:38:27pm |
NYT: previous home of Jayson Blair too
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 6:38:35pm |
re: #77 Thanos
Hey, what's a little intellectual property matter to a couple of socialists anyway?
Plagiarized but accurate?
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:38:35pm |
re: #83 Desert Dog
Not too smart to lift it off of a blog that many of her readers also read. She did not think anyone would notice?
She's either incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant.
Or both.
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lawhawk Sun, May 17, 2009 6:39:19pm |
re: #83 Desert Dog
Not too smart to lift it off of a blog that many of her readers also read. She did not think anyone would notice?
Well, more journalists are likely to read the TPM than others... because that's what lefties do - they read lefty blogs ... for the talking points... /oh the irony... oh the humanity.. /
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:39:19pm |
re: #74 kansas
Maybe no caps? ibid. definition
ibid.
Etymology: L ibidem
in the same place: used in referring again to the book, page, etc. cited just before
Are you asking if Rush recognizes all the MFMSM people who repeat what all the other MFMSM people are repeating? If so, yes, he does.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 6:39:39pm |
somehow this is Bush's fault, or the jews or Israel
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brookly red Sun, May 17, 2009 6:40:05pm |
re: #83 Desert Dog
Not too smart to lift it off of a blog that many of her readers also read. She did not think anyone would notice?
She was Bush bashing & figured none of her readers would care.
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Kosh's Shadow Sun, May 17, 2009 6:40:58pm |
The NY Times: All the news that's fit to steal.
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 6:41:06pm |
re: #95 brookly red
She was Bush bashing & figured none of her readers would care.
And I expect she was right, her readers don't care.
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Randall Gross Sun, May 17, 2009 6:41:16pm |
The left's in such a flurry to cover Nan's ass that I'm surprised there isn't more of this.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, May 17, 2009 6:41:25pm |
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Taqyia2Me Sun, May 17, 2009 6:41:35pm |
I listen to Rush Limbaugh as much as I can. I would say he cites his sources as a matter of rule.
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 6:41:57pm |
re: #96 Kosh's Shadow
The NY Times: All the news that's fit to steal.
"all the news that fits, we print"
/mad magazine
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:42:00pm |
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:42:02pm |
re: #92 Soona'
Are you asking if Rush recognizes all the MFMSM people who repeat what all the other MFMSM people are repeating? If so, yes, he does.
When you use the same source repeatedly in a paper you source by saying ibid instead of repeating the source. I was trying to be humorous. Must have failed.
| 104 |
Randall Gross Sun, May 17, 2009 6:42:23pm |
She should have used the fallback excuse: Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!
| 107 |
Last Mohican Sun, May 17, 2009 6:42:59pm |
re: #46 Sharmuta
Even other bloggers lift stuff without credit. Some fascist enabling bloggers saw fit to lift Last Mohican's comments on the fake pali ER video, and credit him, but not the blog where the comment first appeared- LGF.
Really? Someone quoted my comments? I mean, my comments didn't really add any value. The only important thing was that I noticed the photo. And I only "noticed" it because a friend emailed me the link, and it was waiting in my inbox when I woke up this morning. Maybe I should have credited my friend?
| 108 |
pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 6:43:11pm |
The Dark Lord Rove sent Zionist rays through her tinfoil hat and told it was ok to steal other writers work!
| 110 |
pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 6:43:50pm |
how do we know the CIA didn't hack the New York times and insert this piece thereby using it to deflect attention from the fact that they are using their influence to smear Nancy Pelosi.
/you just know this is being blogged somewhere
| 112 |
brookly red Sun, May 17, 2009 6:44:26pm |
well on the bright side since Bush is gone now no one needs her or the Times any more...
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:44:50pm |
re: #106 Iron Fist
Isn't a little bit late for Maureen Dowd to be bashing the Bush Administration? Whatever she would like, it is over and done. Obama isn't crazy enough to actually bring charges against the Bush Administration or its officials on any grounds no matter how much his base and serial fellators in the Media may want him to. It is a lot like the birth certificate nonsense. It ain't going to happen. As the Leftists say Move On!
I think a lot of liberals became intellectually lazy over the past eight years-something doesn't go the way you think it should, blame Bush. They seem unable to get themselves out of these patterns now.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:45:02pm |
re: #112 brookly red
well on the bright side since Bush is gone now no one needs her or the Times any more...
Or Will Ferrel and Darrel Hammond.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:45:07pm |
re: #103 kansas
When you use the same source repeatedly in a paper you source by saying ibid instead of repeating the source. I was trying to be humorous. Must have failed.
Sorry. This time of the day I'm not very deep.
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Last Mohican Sun, May 17, 2009 6:45:09pm |
re: #81 livefreeor die
Maybe she figured that both NYT readers don't also read Talking Points Memo?
And she also must have figured that Josh Marshall doesn't read the New York Times.
Both of those are bad figurings.
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Edge Sun, May 17, 2009 6:45:12pm |
We all know how this one is going to turn out. She'll discover that her "friend" tricked her and was really an Israeli spy working freelance for Dick Cheney. The leftie blogs will circle her wagons in OUTRAGE!
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Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 6:45:50pm |
re: #107 Last Mohican
Really? Someone quoted my comments? I mean, my comments didn't really add any value. The only important thing was that I noticed the photo. And I only "noticed" it because a friend emailed me the link, and it was waiting in my inbox when I woke up this morning. Maybe I should have credited my friend?
Yes- your comment busting the CNN video got lifted. You were credited, but all mentions of where the comment was made (LGF) were completely left out of their coverage of that video. The fascists don't want people visiting LGF.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:46:13pm |
re: #106 Iron Fist
Years from now, locked away in the basement of Bellevue Hospital, in a special rubber room, wrapped in a straight jacket and heavily sedated, we will find our illustrious Miss Dowd....mumbling incoherently about Bush and Cheney, Karl Rove, Halliburton....it will not be a pretty sight
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 6:46:16pm |
Hey Maureen, I'll be your friend... (I have some really excellent insights and ideas fer ya....)
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 6:46:19pm |
re: #110 pegcity
how do we know the CIA didn't hack the New York times and insert this piece thereby using it to deflect attention from the fact that they are using their influence to smear Nancy Pelosi.
/you just know this is being blogged somewhere
OH No! You know about the CIA also? You'd better go deep cover
/
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Edge Sun, May 17, 2009 6:46:51pm |
And she also must have figured that Josh Marshall doesn't read the New York Times.
Let's not assume she was sober when she wrote that.
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:46:59pm |
re: #53 windhorse
She's on the record re that: She intimidates men (who are good enough, or smart enough, to ask her out). ... her power is emasculating to them.
Her words, not mine.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 6:47:14pm |
re: #120 Sharmuta
Most folks on the looney left or wacky right do not want folks with a functioning brain to visit here.
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:47:34pm |
re: #124 Edge
Let's not assume she was sober when she wrote that.
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, Ms. Dowd.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:47:42pm |
re: #124 Edge
Let's not assume she was sober when she wrote that.
Well, I am not sure if he reads it, but apparently, he WRITES for it! If he knows it or not!
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 6:47:51pm |
re: #126 tradewind
so basically shes saying that no guys ask her out because shes so smart, yeah ok, its like not dating anyone because your too good looking.
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 6:47:55pm |
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:48:21pm |
re: #128 livefreeor die
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, Ms. Dowd.
Did she puke on the dean's shoes?
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 6:48:51pm |
re: #126 tradewind
She may intimidate liberal metrosexual men. But, I think her intimidation comes up short against real men.
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Jimmah Sun, May 17, 2009 6:49:00pm |
Disgusting stuff from the BNP -
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
They're denigrating a war hero and belittling his actions. Why would they do that? Because he is black and in their words "an immigrant".
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:49:01pm |
re: #132 kansas
Did she puke on the dean's shoes?
You didn't puke in front of the Dean, Maureen. You puked ON the Dean.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 17, 2009 6:49:05pm |
re: #77 Thanos
Hey, what's a little intellectual property matter to a couple of socialists anyway?
///
Hopefully, enough to cost her her job.
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:49:32pm |
re: #132 kansas
Did she puke on the dean's shoes?
"I can't believe I puked in front of Obama."
"No, Maureen. You puked on Obama."
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:49:38pm |
re: #130 pegcity
so basically shes saying that no guys ask her out because shes so smart, yeah ok, its like not dating anyone because your too good looking.
I've had that problem...........not.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 6:50:00pm |
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 6:50:03pm |
Josh Marshall..... how could you have been so low-life as to read Maureen Dowd's mind and then go and steal it from her?
/
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:50:51pm |
re: #126 tradewind
She's on the record re that: She intimidates men (who are good enough, or smart enough, to ask her out). ... her power is emasculating to them.
Her words, not mine.
Wow, you'd think her sparkling personality would get them past that.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 6:51:20pm |
re: #136 Jimmah
The man got A Victoria Cross and the BNP calls his actions 'routine'?! Fuck the BNP and the fascist horse they rode in on.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 17, 2009 6:51:21pm |
re: #136 Jimmah
Disgusting stuff from the BNP -
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
They're denigrating a war hero and belittling his actions. Why would they do that? Because he is black and in their words "an immigrant".
That's just plain rotten. Johnson Beharry won the Victoria Cross for his bravery under fire. He's a better man than any member of the BNP will ever be.
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Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 6:51:52pm |
re: #136 Jimmah
Disgusting stuff from the BNP -
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
They're denigrating a war hero and belittling his actions. Why would they do that? Because he is black and in their words "an immigrant".
That is disgusting. Some "counter-jihadis" should be really proud of their new friends.
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 6:51:57pm |
I wonder what Maureen is eating.... right now?
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 6:52:29pm |
re: #148 windhorse
I wonder what Maureen is eating.... right now?
her nails....worrying she will pay a high price for this
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 6:52:43pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Isn't that the kind of people you'd want as an immigrant to your country?!
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 6:52:51pm |
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:53:06pm |
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 6:53:08pm |
re: #147 Sharmuta
gotta love the English, your election choices are Hardcore socialists or Fascists, actually that goes for 99% of Europe
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:53:20pm |
re: #131 windhorse
I'm not making it up: she wrote a column... I'd have to google it... talking about just that. Evidently, her dating life was not great because most men were just too intimidated by her career. That's why she ended up getting dumped by all those Hollywood types... at least they could tolerate her magnificence for a while. For example... her breakup with Michael Douglas had nothing to do with the fact that Catherine Zeta Jones was hotter.../sarc/
What bullshiite.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 6:54:02pm |
re: #154 pegcity
gotta love the English, your election choices are Hardcore socialists or Fascists, actually that goes for 99% of Europe
Isn't that getting to be the case here? Sort of?
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:54:49pm |
re: #137 Desert Dog
Dean. Her fave. She adores John Dean and quotes him as if he actually knows anything other than how to be a turncoat loser who didn't snare a media gig like all the other Watergate heroes.
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jorline Sun, May 17, 2009 6:54:59pm |
re: #141 HoosierHoops
Hi Jorline! Watching game 7?
Hey Hoopster...I'm trying to. Boston is lacking that Chicago series magic.
I'm looking forward to the Denver/LA series...thoughts?
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experiencedtraveller Sun, May 17, 2009 6:55:13pm |
re: #149 Desert Dog
her nails....worrying she will pay a high price for this
When have lefties ever paid for anything?
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 6:55:26pm |
....I think she is sitting in front of a mirror eating a hot fudge sundae.....
(with crow)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 17, 2009 6:55:30pm |
re: #151 pingjockey
Isn't that the kind of people you'd want as an immigrant to your country?!
Hell, yeah. A man worthy of the VC would be an asset to any country. Courage of that caliber is a great and noble thing.
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Gus Sun, May 17, 2009 6:55:34pm |
Maureen Dowd:
Ctl + Garbage In
Ctl + Garbage Out
//
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:55:36pm |
They're featuring the F104 Starfighter on the Military Channel. The F104 is the most beautiful fighter ever built.
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Randall Gross Sun, May 17, 2009 6:55:40pm |
re: #145 pingjockey
The man got A Victoria Cross and the BNP calls his actions 'routine'?! Fuck the BNP and the fascist horse they rode in on.
The Baron had a whine fest Friday over the bad press BNP is getting.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 6:55:41pm |
re: #157 kansas
Kind of. We seem to have socialists/commies vs theocrats/IDers.
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:56:03pm |
re: #155 tradewind
I'm not making it up: she wrote a column... I'd have to google it... talking about just that. Evidently, her dating life was not great because most men were just too intimidated by her career. That's why she ended up getting dumped by all those Hollywood types... at least they could tolerate her magnificence for a while. For example... her breakup with Michael Douglas had nothing to do with the fact that Catherine Zeta Jones was hotter.../sarc/
What bullshiite.
You know, using your column in the NYT to psychoanalyze your own relationship problems is beyond narcissism.
That's right, Maureen, millions of readers want to hear about your love life.
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Last Mohican Sun, May 17, 2009 6:56:08pm |
re: #120 Sharmuta
Yes- your comment busting the CNN video got lifted. You were credited, but all mentions of where the comment was made (LGF) were completely left out of their coverage of that video. The fascists don't want people visiting LGF.
Ah-somehow in responding to your post, I thought you meant they lifted my comments about today about the passed-out Palestinian with the key. That wouldn't have made much sense. My comments there weren't particularly important.
Now I see that you did say it was the faked resuscitation scene in Gaza you were talking about. And it is really lame that these unnamed bloggers wouldn't credit LGF.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 6:56:29pm |
re: #164 Soona'
yeah it had only one nasty trait, it tended to kill you.
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Edge Sun, May 17, 2009 6:57:06pm |
As of this moment, Dowd is working on her second bottle and cutting up more pictures of Catherine Zeta Jones.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:57:20pm |
re: #148 windhorse
I wonder what Maureen is eating.... right now?
Or what she's doing with the hand she's not using to eat.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 6:57:32pm |
re: #159 jorline
Hey Hoopster...I'm trying to. Boston is lacking that Chicago series magic.
I'm looking forward to the Denver/LA series...thoughts?
I think it will be a great series..Denver is really playing like monsters right now and LA feels on top of the world right now..They just destroyed Houston..It could have been worse..
This is great stuff...
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David IV of Georgia Sun, May 17, 2009 6:57:34pm |
re: #151 pingjockey
Isn't that the kind of people you'd want as an immigrant to your country?!
I've thought that anyone who heroically serves this country, even if they are later proven to be an illegal immigrant or such, should be granted immediate citizenship. Those who willingly bleed our country should be driven from our shores...
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 6:57:35pm |
I can't wait to trade my Chevy in on a Chinese import.... won't I be the envy of my neighborhood?
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 6:58:04pm |
re: #171 Edge
As of this moment, Dowd is working on her second bottle and cutting up more pictures of Catherine Zeta Jones.
"I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. Douglas."
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 6:58:04pm |
re: #176 windhorse
maybe Maureen will go out on a date with me?
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 6:59:33pm |
re: #167 livefreeor die
No kidding.
[Link: www.observer.com...]
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 6:59:45pm |
re: #166 pingjockey
Kind of. We seem to have socialists/commies vs theocrats/IDers.
That's not true.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 17, 2009 7:00:11pm |
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Jimmah Sun, May 17, 2009 7:00:18pm |
re: #145 pingjockey
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
They don't give out victoria crosses for routine soldiering that's for sure.
He was at the head of a five-vehicle convoy when it came under attack in the town of al-Amarah on 1 May 2004. He guided the column through a mile of enemy ground to drop off wounded comrades at great risk to his own safety, his citation said.
Weeks later, his vehicle was hit by an rocket-propelled grenade round. Despite receiving horrific head injuries, he drove out of the ambush and again saved his crew.
I'd like to see BNP oaf Nick Griffin perform such 'routine' actions.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 7:00:25pm |
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:01:10pm |
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lawhawk Sun, May 17, 2009 7:01:15pm |
re: #33 Soona'
Depends on the website. Some sites accepting comments treat them as their own materials - as you've submitted them they become the property of the website. Others let you retain ownership of the comments.
It's my practice to hat tip commenters for their contributions - good attribution goes back to my days in school (law school actually), where writing papers became a lesson in how to get as many cites in a sentence as possible... (wish it were sarcasm, but journals and law review comments and articles would have nearly as many citations as they had sentences).
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:01:55pm |
re: #183 Soona'
Really. I will disagree. The conservative side seems to be being taken over by extreme socons, to me anyway.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:02:32pm |
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:03:01pm |
re: #190 taxfreekiller
yeah those thin wings sure looked spiffy, in practise they were lacking in the not killing you factor
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Shug Sun, May 17, 2009 7:03:04pm |
what does the iron fist rule say about taco bell ?
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 7:03:07pm |
re: #188 lawhawk
...Ugly flashbacks of shephardizing sessions pre West...
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 7:03:16pm |
re: #190 taxfreekiller
yes GB flew F-104's
took a brave one to do that
we called them "thud's" cause we had them for support
one run and "thud"....so, we called them "thuds"
Bush flew the F102. [Link: www.aerospaceweb.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 17, 2009 7:03:34pm |
re: #185 Jimmah
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
They don't give out Victoria Crosses for routine soldiering that's for sure.
I'd like to see BNP oaf Nick Griffin perform such 'routine' actions.
Indeed. The VC is equivalent to our Medal of Honor. Any man brave and skilled enough to earn it is a man of true greatness.
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Jimmah Sun, May 17, 2009 7:04:24pm |
re: #147 Sharmuta
That is disgusting. Some "counter-jihadis" should be really proud of their new friends.
There has been talk recently, IIRC, of the BNP and other European far right parties including Vlaams Belang making some sort of cross-European political alliance. Robert Spencer et al will no doubt be practising their "Actually, the BNP aren't really that bad" speeches already.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 7:04:58pm |
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albusteve Sun, May 17, 2009 7:04:59pm |
re: #164 Soona'
They're featuring the F104 Starfighter on the Military Channel. The F104 is the most beautiful fighter ever built.
P-51 Mustang gets my vote
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, May 17, 2009 7:05:32pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Indeed. The VC is equivalent to our Medal of Honor. Any man brave and skilled enough to earn it is a man of true greatness.
Especially if they live. Most get posthumous awards.
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Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 7:05:41pm |
re: #168 Last Mohican
Ah-somehow in responding to your post, I thought you meant they lifted my comments about today about the passed-out Palestinian with the key. That wouldn't have made much sense. My comments there weren't particularly important.
Now I see that you did say it was the faked resuscitation scene in Gaza you were talking about. And it is really lame that these unnamed bloggers wouldn't credit LGF.
That's how Charles Derangement Syndrome goes.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:05:42pm |
re: #202 Jimmah
god that site is insane now.
i would put it into the hate category, as long as your making fun of Muslims anything goes their now.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:05:44pm |
re: #189 pingjockey
Really. I will disagree. The conservative side seems to be being taken over by extreme socons, to me anyway.
I guess everyone has their own perspective. I don't see theocrats or ID'ers to be a big percentage of the consevative population. We just hear about them more here on LGF.
| 209 |
jorline Sun, May 17, 2009 7:05:44pm |
re: #174 HoosierHoops
I think it will be a great series..Denver is really playing like monsters right now and LA feels on top of the world right now..They just destroyed Houston..It could have been worse..
This is great stuff...
agree
My son is a big Allen Iverson fan and Denver has been his team for the last two-three years...even though Iverson is gone. He still follows Iverson, but he's not a Pistons fan...lol
| 210 |
Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 7:06:53pm |
re: #202 Jimmah
There has been talk recently, IIRC, of the BNP and other European far right parties including Vlaams Belang making some sort of cross-European political alliance. Robert Spencer et al will no doubt be practising their "Actually, the BNP aren't really that bad" speeches already.
Yes- I've read some of that too. There's a Swedish nazi who just moved to Berlin to work on that. Let me dig up the link. BRB
| 211 |
David IV of Georgia Sun, May 17, 2009 7:06:54pm |
re: #194 pegcity
yeah those thin wings sure looked spiffy, in practise they were lacking in the not killing you factor
I was flying one at Mach 1.5 or so on my flight sim on autopilot when the artificial horizon gave out—I was dead before I realized what happened.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 7:07:34pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Indeed. The VC is equivalent to our Medal of Honor. Any man brave and skilled enough to earn it is a man of true greatness.
somebody said you don't earn that medal..
nor do you win it..
It is awarded
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 7:07:35pm |
re: #198 kansas
Bush flew the F102. [Link: www.aerospaceweb.org...]
We know what Clinton and Obama were piloting in there early days
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:07:49pm |
Ya know what really cracks me up? GWB is an idiot, oops he flew jets with ANAre: #208 Soona'
LOG flight controls. GWB is stupid, oops he planned 9/11. The left just cracks me up.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:09:05pm |
re: #208 Soona'
Well I made a mess out of that post. Anyway, I really, really hope you are right and the howling wheel is getting all the attention.
| 217 |
Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 7:09:07pm |
Swedish neo-Nazi makes Berlin new base
German intelligence agents view Patrik Brinkmann as a leading figure among right-wing extremists around the world. He founded the Continent Europe Foundation in 2004 in Sweden.
“The aim of the Continent Europe Foundation leader Patrik Brinkmann is to move to Berlin by 2010 at the latest and create a Europe-wide Internationale of nationalists in cooperation with national organisations from all European people,” the group said in a statement.
His foundation now functions as a hub for extremists from around Europe, with two functionaries from Germany’s neo-Nazi National Democratic Party (NPD) on its advisory board. It also has ties to the extremist German Peoples Union (DVU). Based in the Swedish city of Jönköping, the foundation describes itself as seeking to establish a “greater European civilization” for a “new common identity.”
Because he was ill, Brinkmann’s press spokesperson spoke Thursday on his behalf at a DVU party convention at the Brandenburg state parliament building. The two groups met to introduce their joint proposal: “For a Democratic Brandenburg and a Europe of Fatherlands.”
What could possibly go wrong?
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Randall Gross Sun, May 17, 2009 7:09:09pm |
re: #210 Sharmuta
Yes- I've read some of that too. There's a Swedish nazi who just moved to Berlin to work on that. Let me dig up the link. BRB
David Duke has spent significant time in Austria the past three years - perhaps he's been orging some of this. He has a house on permanent rent there now
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:09:18pm |
re: #212 taxfreekiller
bah, they were as aerodynamic flying sideways.
ugly ugly planes, very poorly designed, the only redeeming factor was their engines.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, May 17, 2009 7:10:12pm |
re: #98 Thanos
The left's in such a flurry to cover Nan's ass that I'm surprised there isn't more of this.
I really don't see "the left" uniting behind Pelosi on this. Nearly all the outcry I've seen is for the facts to come out, and if it sinks certain Democrats, so be it. The torture subject certainly isn't as partisan as most of the MSM makes it out to be.
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Kosh's Shadow Sun, May 17, 2009 7:11:00pm |
re: #219 pegcity
bah, they were as aerodynamic flying sideways.
ugly ugly planes, very poorly designed, the only redeeming factor was their engines.
F-4s. Flying bricks. About as aerodynamic, but they could take a lot of punishment.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 17, 2009 7:11:34pm |
re: #202 Jimmah
There has been talk recently, IIRC, of the BNP and other European far right parties including Vlaams Belang making some sort of cross-European political alliance. Robert Spencer et al will no doubt be practising their "Actually, the BNP aren't really that bad" speeches already.
They can name the new alliance the "Flock of Shitbirds" or even better the "Trolls of the EU Parliament".
| 223 |
pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:12:12pm |
re: #221 Kosh's Shadow
Wish I could remember where I heard this....the F-4 proves you can make a brick fly if you use a big enough engine.
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kansas Sun, May 17, 2009 7:12:43pm |
That's funny. Kind of simply demonstrates the hyprocrisy of our friends on the left, huh?
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Randall Gross Sun, May 17, 2009 7:12:43pm |
re: #220 ShanghaiEd
Yeah the outcry gets louder everytime someone asks "why did Pelosi lie?" Katrina Van Dehuckster deflected that way every time the question was asked in the interview I heard today.
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windhorse Sun, May 17, 2009 7:12:48pm |
re: #221 Kosh's Shadow
I use to land those on the flight deck of a carrier.... but the monochrome graphics were complete crap.... I always thought it was my 8088 Leading Edge.....
/
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:12:49pm |
re: #194 pegcity
yeah those thin wings sure looked spiffy, in practise they were lacking in the not killing you factor
It was designed when the Air Force mentality saw the dogfight as obsolete. The short thin wings were great in high speed pursuit, but sucked when the pilot had to make tight maneuvers.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:12:52pm |
re: #221 Kosh's Shadow
i watched some old clips from the gulf war and totally forgot that the USAF was still using F4's.
| 230 |
A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 7:13:11pm |
Programming note..
The Celtics are in big trouble..8 min.left
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 17, 2009 7:13:36pm |
re: #217 Sharmuta
Swedish neo-Nazi makes Berlin new base
What could possibly go wrong?
Sharm, could you repost this on the next thread please?
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ShanghaiEd Sun, May 17, 2009 7:13:56pm |
re: #208 Soona'
I guess everyone has their own perspective. I don't see theocrats or ID'ers to be a big percentage of the consevative population. We just hear about them more here on LGF.
The IDers and Creationists might not be visible where you are, but they're out there. Most recent poll I've seen says 64% of adults in the U.S. believe in Creationism, and 55% say it should be taught alongside evolution in schools.
And that's a survey of ALL adults, not just conservatives. So they're there, in huge numbers, and have very influential philanthropists putting up the bucks.
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brookly red Sun, May 17, 2009 7:14:08pm |
re: #220 ShanghaiEd
I really don't see "the left" uniting behind Pelosi on this. Nearly all the outcry I've seen is for the facts to come out, and if it sinks certain Democrats, so be it. The torture subject certainly isn't as partisan as most of the MSM makes it out to be.
When it sinks certain Democrats...
O gets a clean/loyal house & can take credit for being "fair" & non-partisan... win/win.
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NelsFree Sun, May 17, 2009 7:14:09pm |
re: #212 taxfreekiller
F-4's now those did the deal.
The F-4 was first described to me as "proof that, if you put a big enough engine on a rock, it will fly".
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Gus Sun, May 17, 2009 7:14:12pm |
Say what you want about the F-4 Phantom but they have the longest combat record in modern times and the most kills then even currently used aircraft. I think they're beautiful.
Blue Angles F-4J:
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Jimmah Sun, May 17, 2009 7:14:22pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Indeed. The VC is equivalent to our Medal of Honor. Any man brave and skilled enough to earn it is a man of true greatness.
Absolutely. Here's a good documentary that tells the story of some of them.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:14:24pm |
re: #228 Soona'
they lost 108 of them, i think what 2 F15's have crashed, and one of them landed with one wing.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:14:40pm |
re: #229 pegcity
Wild Weasels. A lot of air forces still have the F-4 in inventory. It'll go faster'n hell and can take punishment.
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Sharmuta Sun, May 17, 2009 7:15:33pm |
re: #231 Dark_Falcon
Sharm, could you repost this on the next thread please?
I'll put it in the spinoffs
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:16:04pm |
re: #234 NelsFree
The F-4 was first described to me as "proof that, if you put a big enough engine on a rock, it will fly".
and that pretty much Sums up the american car industry for 40 years.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:16:45pm |
re: #240 pegcity
Wait a damn minute, I love muscle cars! :)
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:16:52pm |
re: #224 taxfreekiller
F-4 were ugly all right the NVA could not stand to see them coming up some little creek bottom loaded with gas jelly.
I've seen those birds work over an area. Not much left afterwards.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 17, 2009 7:17:02pm |
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ShanghaiEd Sun, May 17, 2009 7:17:41pm |
re: #226 Thanos
Yeah the outcry gets louder everytime someone asks "why did Pelosi lie?" Katrina Van Dehuckster deflected that way every time the question was asked in the interview I heard today.
Well, KV does not a majority make. She's one voice.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:17:54pm |
Good grief, the Celtics are down by 15 with 7 minutes and change left.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:18:51pm |
re: #242 Soona'
I've seen those birds work over an area. Not much left afterwards.
what blows my mind was the thinking that their would be no need for machine guns and they could rely solely on very unreliable air to air missiles.
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jorline Sun, May 17, 2009 7:19:03pm |
re: #230 HoosierHoops
Programming note..
The Celtics are in big trouble..8 min.left
The fat lady is singing.
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NelsFree Sun, May 17, 2009 7:19:07pm |
re: #240 pegcity
and that pretty much Sums up the american car industry for 40 years.
Um, which 40 years? 1940-1980? Thinking about the Hudson Hornet?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 7:19:29pm |
re: #245 pingjockey
Good grief, the Celtics are down by 15 with 7 minutes and change left.
They have been out played all night..plus missed a lot of shots..
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:19:55pm |
re: #244 ShanghaiEd
Are the donks gonna aske for her head? IMO saying the CIA intentionally lied to congress is way worse than wishing an old rascist happy birthday.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:20:06pm |
re: #248 NelsFree
pretty much, its not like you could get a small block from the factory in anything in 1980.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:21:28pm |
re: #251 WindHorse
Yoko Ono screeching pops into to my head.
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WindHorse Sun, May 17, 2009 7:21:29pm |
re: #252 pegcity
if Maureen sings like she writes.... I would opt for a big block...
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:21:57pm |
re: #246 pegcity
what blows my mind was the thinking that their would be no need for machine guns and they could rely solely on very unreliable air to air missiles.
There are dumbshits in the military too.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:22:37pm |
re: #255 Soona'
There are dumbshits in the military too.
hey gotta fill those defence contractor jobs right, how else would lobbyists make money
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NelsFree Sun, May 17, 2009 7:22:42pm |
re: #252 pegcity
pretty much, its not like you could get a small block from the factory in anything in 1980.
re: #246 pegcity
what blows my mind was the thinking that
theirthere would be no need for machine guns and they could rely solely on very unreliable air to air missiles.
Peg, I am certainly impressed with your command of both automotives and aeronautics. Tell us, in what other fields are you considerably experienced?
/
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Randall Gross Sun, May 17, 2009 7:23:49pm |
KV's an influential and representative voice however. The Dems are running scared on this because Nancy's been shown to be either incompetent or a liar. There would be a howling pack after any Republican who behaved that way, and many would be from his or her own party. It's ridiculous and Nan needs to resign.
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livefreeor die Sun, May 17, 2009 7:25:09pm |
re: #215 pingjockey
Ya know what really cracks me up? GWB is an idiot, oops he flew jets with ANA
LOG flight controls. GWB is stupid, oops he planned 9/11. The left just cracks me up.
That's what I always loved-he's a blithering idiot who is also an evil genius.
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Alberta Oil Peon Sun, May 17, 2009 7:27:04pm |
re: #194 pegcity
yeah those thin wings sure looked spiffy, in practise they were lacking in the not killing you factor
It's my understanding that one of the reasons Canada had so many 104 crashes is that our Air Force took what was designed as a high-speed, high-altitude interceptor, and put it into a more general role, including air support of ground units. The result being, that much of the time, they were flying the aircraft outside of its design envelope.
I remember seeing 104s in operation at CFB Cold Lake.
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NelsFree Sun, May 17, 2009 7:29:07pm |
re: #264 Alberta Oil Peon
The German Air Force lost several F-104s in the 70s.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:29:45pm |
re: #264 Alberta Oil Peon
It's my understanding that one of the reasons Canada had so many 104 crashes is that our Air Force took what was designed as a high-speed, high-altitude interceptor, and put it into a more general role, including air support of ground units. The result being, that much of the time, they were flying the aircraft outside of its design envelope.
I remember seeing 104s in operation at CFB Cold Lake.
i heard the Canadian Air Force had quite a few crashes in Germany
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:30:30pm |
re: #268 NelsFree
oh im sorry next time ill ask your permission before i write anything, and please do tell what exactly i wrote about the F4 was incorrect.
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tradewind Sun, May 17, 2009 7:30:52pm |
Here's the real story... she partied way too hard. From the Politico, in my inbox dated today , so no linky...
THE PERFECT POOL REPORT: 'SPOTTED -- Carl Hulse, jamming on the cymbals with other St. Petes dads with his band, Native Maker, as Rahm Emanuel, Shailagh Murray, Neil King and Maureen Dowd rocked out at the American Legion hall on Capitol Hill. Rahm was also spotted at Jim Courtovich's hot hot hot party on Kalorama, where a mix of political and journalism glitterati [Maureen, Jackie Calmes, David Kirkpatrick, Jeff Zeleny, Michael Falcone, Ashley Parker, Savannah Guthrie, Mark Leibovich, Jill Zuckman, Eric Lesser, Jake Levine, Anu Rangappa, Dick Keil, Gordon Johndroe, Rick Klein, Karen Travers, Mark Paustenbach, Manuel Roig-Franzia, Ceci Connolly, Jennifer Loven, Nedra Pickler, Liz Sidoti, Tammy Haddad, Alex Castellanos] mingled at the annual Gaucho BBQ, tented to keep out the rain.'
:)
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NelsFree Sun, May 17, 2009 7:31:29pm |
re: #269 pegcity
Still did not answer the question. Oh, never mind.
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TedStriker Sun, May 17, 2009 7:31:44pm |
re: #190 taxfreekiller
yes GB flew F-104's
took a brave one to do that
we called them "thud's" cause we had them for support
one run and "thud"....so, we called them "thuds"
I thought the F-105 Thunderchief was nicknamed the "Thud" and the F-104 the "Widowmaker", tfk?
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:32:22pm |
re: #261 taxfreekiller
one fine memory
end of the Da Nang air base
when we had days offgood whiskey ,
laying flat down
at the end of the takeoff
out over the bay,total black out
no moon
night mission of
lots of F-4'stwo sets of red dots
huge noise
then the red dots
go out of sight way fast....very cool that
Used to do that at Ramstein AFB. Even after all that you described, when they came over on landing approach, we could hear the snapping of the wingtip tubulance long after they touched down.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:36:14pm |
re: #272 talon_262
I thought the F-105 Thunderchief was nicknamed the "Thud" and the F-104 the "Widowmaker", tfk?
Yes and yes.
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pegcity Sun, May 17, 2009 7:37:21pm |
re: #278 Soona'
Yes and yes.
how would you like to tell your wife you'll be flying a plane called the widow maker, and the reason behind the nickname is because the plane has a tendency to kill its pilots.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:48:56pm |
re: #279 pegcity
how would you like to tell your wife you'll be flying a plane called the widow maker, and the reason behind the nickname is because the plane has a tendency to kill its pilots.
If I had been a fighter pilot flying one of the hottest, sexiest aircraft in the Air Force's inventory, I would not even think of ruining that single man's paradise.
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yankeebaseball Sun, May 17, 2009 7:51:15pm |
I don't get what this is a surprise to anybody.
The lefts whole machine is nothing but a cut and paste factory.
Dowd is nothing but a worthless liberal hack, and there's 50 more behind her waiting to take her place.
It's all about the ideology.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, May 17, 2009 8:01:03pm |
re: #250 pingjockey
Are the donks gonna aske for her head? IMO saying the CIA intentionally lied to congress is way worse than wishing an old rascist happy birthday.
I don't know anybody who considers the CIA sacrosanct. I sure don't. I say let the info out, let the chips fall, and let the rule of law prevail.
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Buck Sun, May 17, 2009 8:06:52pm |
re: #54 freedomplow
Now both of them need to justify their bogus accusation.
No Waterboarding Used in Questioning On Al-Qaeda Ties to Iraq, Officials Say
"Questions were asked about Iraq, but the notion that waterboarding was used to extract from either an admission that Iraq and al-Qaeda had a relationship is false, period," he added.
It's funny... the only thing worse than getting caught copying off of someone else's paper, is copying the WRONG answer off of someone else's paper....
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mich-again Sun, May 17, 2009 8:08:19pm |
Increasingly, this is what the New York Times — and Fox News — does: appropriate the work of bloggers and claim it as their own. We’re unpaid and uncredited research assistants.
Their gripe is that they provide all the field reporting for free and all the bloggers have to do is analyze it and add in some research to craft a story.
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USCMSNE Sun, May 17, 2009 8:15:33pm |
re: #5 Desert Dog
Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al should send royalty checks out to some bloggers...their entire shows are usually about stuff we chat about the night before
Not to diminish the work of bloggers, but most everything in the blogosphere stems from a piece of contemporary news. That should be fair game for all to talk about. People shouldn't be surprised when others of similar political inclinations come to the same conclusions you may have. Rush, for example, does give credit when credit is due. I explicitly remember one show where he read excerpts from one of Iowahawks works and gave him credit/praise several times. Also, they (Limbaugh, Levin, among others) link their sources on their websites as to that days material.
I would say that what I just wrote is true for most of talk radio. The TV pundits... not so much. I haven't seen them cite material like the radio personalities do.
I don't doubt that talking heads lift material from the blogosphere, case in point this story. I guess I'm just saying be careful when painting in broad strokes.
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bk97229 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:16:14pm |
re: #14 kansas
I have heard Rush say many times "thanks to our friends at Little Green Footballs". Actually that is how I originally found this blog.
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USCMSNE Sun, May 17, 2009 8:19:31pm |
re: #287 USCMSNE
Not to diminish the work of bloggers, but most everything in the blogosphere stems from a piece of contemporary news.
I guess I should clarify:
Most everything stems from a piece of contemporary news. That's not to say that unique investigative reporting can't/doesn't originate from the blogs. It does. It has. It will in the future, too.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:31:27pm |
re: #232 ShanghaiEd
Huh, do y'all have a link to that poll?
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odorlesspaintthinner Sun, May 17, 2009 8:37:06pm |
This is the same columnist who said Bill Clinton's lies about Monica Lewinski were "cute." You could tell she wished it were her in the blue dress. One set of rules for her and her crowd, one set for the rest of us. It amazes me how a woman that pretty actually makes me gag when I see her.
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jordash1212 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:57:12pm |
I have to say I'm surprised that NYT would slip up like this.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, May 17, 2009 9:10:48pm |
re: #292 realwest
Huh, do y'all have a link to that poll?
Here 'tis...
[Link: www.marketshare.com.hk...]
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wiffersnapper Sun, May 17, 2009 10:57:08pm |
You get kicked out college for plagiarizing. Dowd will get a fucking medal.
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FredWM Sun, May 17, 2009 11:00:05pm |
From the NYTPICKER
[Link: www.nytpick.com...]
"josh is right. I didn't read his blog last week, and didn't have any idea he had made that point until you informed me just now.
i was talking to a friend of mine Friday about what I was writing who suggested I make this point, expressing it in a cogent -- and I assumed spontaneous -- way and I wanted to weave the idea into my column.
but, clearly, my friend must have read josh marshall without mentioning that to me.
we're fixing it on the web, to give josh credit, and will include a note, as well as a formal correction tomorrow."
Now, let's think about this. Is stealing from a friend no longer plagiarism? If the sentence had come from a friend, why didn't the friend get credit for saying it in her column in the first place? If the sentence in question was not written by Dowd, does it really matter who wrote it? It's still plagiarism as far as I know.
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 1:57:37am |
re: #33 Soona'
Aren't comments public domain?
Maybe. But that's not the point. It would be the point if someone were trying to collect monetary damages from Dowd on the grounds that she had profited by using their words without permission, but that isn't the issue here. Plagiarism is, quite simply, passing off someone else's work as your own. And that is clearly what is taking place here. There is no attribution whatsoever, no hint that these words came from someone and somewhere else. It makes no difference if the words plagiarised were in the public domain; they should still be accredited to their source, or at a minimum it should be noted that they are not the author's own work. It's a matter of honesty. Presenting someone else's work as your own is the moral equivalent of theft.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, May 18, 2009 3:36:19am |
Far more people are now aware of Dowd's finagled talking point than either the blog or her readership would have produced. Of course the talking point is BS, but since when has that mattered to the left?
The Alinsky- ites are toasting yet another success.
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ibmkeyboard Mon, May 18, 2009 4:07:46am |
The Bush crowd is still causing problems.
Great!
I didn't read all the comments so if I plagiarized someones sentence I will re write it.
The Bush crowd still causing problems?
Great!
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John Neverbend Mon, May 18, 2009 6:32:35am |
"Plagiarize,
Let no one else's work evade your eyes,
Remember why the good Lord made your eyes,
So don't shade your eyes,
But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize -
Only be sure always to call it please 'research'."
From Tom Lehrer's Lobachevsky song.
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Normal Wisdom Mon, May 18, 2009 7:08:43am |
The Blogosphere has now reached critical mass such that the MSM is leeching off it, when will we see the first case of plagiarism going to court? This might get them off of their fat lazy arses and do some fact-checking.
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Zimriel Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:48am |
re: #9 tradewind
Dubya's nickname for her was The Cobra.
Pretty dead on.
It's hard to imagine that her little sister is a rock ribbed Republican, and her brother as well.
If their sis was their introduction to the left / liberal mindset, I'm not surprised one bit.
LITTLE SIS: "Maureen! Quit stealing my toys. MOOOMMM!"
MAUREEN: "You're so selfish."
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Zimriel Mon, May 18, 2009 7:35:29am |
re: #285 Buck
It's funny... the only thing worse than getting caught copying off of someone else's paper, is copying the WRONG answer off of someone else's paper....
In several disciplines there's only one right answer and an infinite way to get the wrong answer... it may not be worse to copy the wrong answer but it will definitely increase your chance of getting caught.
/used to grade papers
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Zimriel Mon, May 18, 2009 7:53:51am |
re: #250 pingjockey
Are the donks gonna aske for her head? IMO saying the CIA intentionally lied to congress is way worse than wishing an old rascist happy birthday.
Lott did more than that by his words ("if he'd won, we wouldn't be having all these problems"). He was hinting for a return to the days when the South thumbed its nose at the Reconstruction Amendments and federal law in general, and was hoping to make its informal caste system a legal fact again. It's not the sort of thing that's okay to say if one doesn't mean it; if one does mean it, one shouldn't be in Congress. (Yes, I know, the same applies to Maxine Waters etc too.)
Pelosi's case is different but I concede that what she's been doing is equally bad. She's causing a serious mess for the executive branch that is weakening our foreign policy.
Worst case scenario under Lott and Thurmond is that black people end up as serfs again. Worst case scenario under Pelosi is that the CIA melts down, jihadis take over nuclear states, black people (alongside everyone else) end up as stains on the ruined walls of our major cities, and our whole economy reverts to the year 1834. Given a choice, I pick "neither" and wish Lott and Pelosi a swift and involuntary retirement.
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S'latch Mon, May 18, 2009 8:54:48am |
Is it really any surprise that Maureen Dowd has run out of original material for bashing the Bush administration. That is pretty much her entire shtick, isn't it?
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Spartacus50 Mon, May 18, 2009 9:29:46am |
No we get to see how the NYT treats its white plagiarists. I wonder if they will hold her to the Jayson Blair Standard?
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arf Mon, May 18, 2009 10:18:11am |
"unpaid and uncredited research assistants".
Interesting point. With the decline of the print media, I hear their complain that the news aggregators use the print media's research and news reporting, and they feel taken advantage of. I see their point.
I now realize it works both ways, doesn't it?
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paint-right Mon, May 18, 2009 10:25:54am |
I am late to the discusson and posting from work , but I had a thought...did anyone suggest that maybe Ms Dowd is having her columns ghost written? by a young "journalism school" grad. possibly?
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