New Poll: Only 32% of Virginia Republicans Think Obama’s a US Citizen

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Uh oh. A new poll from a reputable firm with more evidence that Nirtherism is not just a fringe phenomenon in the GOP: Just 32% of Virginia Republicans Think Obama is a Citizen.

Here’s an advance look at a new Public Policy Polling survey in Virginia completed over the weekend:  An astonishing 41% of the state’s Republicans think President Obama was not born in the United States while just 32% think he was and 27% are still not sure.

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1 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:38:08pm

Unbelieveable that people are this dim.

2 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:38:16pm

Here we go again. Mind if I sit this one out?

3 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:38:45pm

I don’t guess our world-exclusive scoop last night was very convincing, at least not in Virginia.

4 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:40:21pm

Kook-a-pundit sits in the Old Dominion
Thinking that the king of birth is Kenyan.
Laugh, Kook-a-pundit, laugh, lose your grip,
on all reality!

5 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:40:27pm

Idiots don’t believe Obama was born here. So what do they think should be the result of that?

6 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:40:36pm

ODS

7 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:40:57pm

re: #1 debutaunt

Unbelieveable that people are this dim.

You maintain too much faith in the American public. Sad, huh?

8 flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:42:40pm

This is indeed bad, on several levels. While there are actual legitimate things to cause concern with this administration, we are focused of one of the most idiotic conspiracy theories. This one is even dumber than the apollo moon theory and the JFK nonsense. Personally, I think it ties the 911 lunacy, but I realize that opinions may vary. With Obama’s outright lying to the American people everytime he speaks, his turning the Presidency into kabuki theater, and the disaster his agenda will bring if passed, you would think that the GOP would have enough to talk about without stooping to this level.

9 Baier  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:43:17pm

He is from the planet Arugula. He has come to our earth to raise free-range, organically fed humans for consumption. People on Arugula want us antibiotic and pollutant free. Our planet needs to be cool because it makes us plump and juicy, like a fine grape. Jews are too chewy.//

10 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:43:19pm

The GOP augering itself into the ground.
Powered by derangement, with no logic at the helm.

11 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #7 Creeping Eruption

You maintain too much faith in the American public. Sad, huh?

Reality reared up and shouted and the people shrugged in response.

12 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:43:39pm

Where are these people? I’m in very red eastern WA state and I never hear the nirther nonsense, nor otoh troofers from the left. Thank God fro small favors I guess.

13 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:44:35pm

re: #10 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The GOP augering itself into the ground.
Powered by derangement, with no logic at the helm.

How far down is the bottom?

14 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:44:39pm

re: #8 flyovercountry

This is indeed bad, on several levels. While there are actual legitimate things to cause concern with this administration, we are focused of one of the most idiotic conspiracy theories. This one is even dumber than the apollo moon theory and the JFK nonsense. Personally, I think it ties the 911 lunacy, but I realize that opinions may vary. With Obama’s outright lying to the American people everytime he speaks, his turning the Presidency into kabuki theater, and the disaster his agenda will bring if passed, you would think that the GOP would have enough to talk about without stooping to this level.

Now there’s a take on that joker poster I hadn’t thought of. It’s kabuki style.

15 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:45:06pm

re: #5 debutaunt

Idiots don’t believe Obama was born here. So what do they think should be the result of that?

That is the most important question we can ask about this. What is the bottom line for these people? Do they really imagine they can remove Obama from office? What then? He has Biden and Pelosi as double indemnity occupant’s insurance on the White House.

16 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:45:23pm

re: #13 debutaunt

How far down is the bottom?

I don’t know. Don’t even wanna think of that.

17 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:45:27pm

Mirror image of the craziness erupting on the left over the Palin divorce rumors.

The stupidity, insanity, and ODS, PDS, BDS, etc. is accelerating at an every more insane pace.

18 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:46:19pm

re: #17 lawhawk

Mirror image of the craziness erupting on the left over the Palin divorce rumors.

The stupidity, insanity, and ODS, PDS, BDS, etc. is accelerating at an every more insane pace.

Precisely.

19 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:47:17pm

re: #13 debutaunt
The way this is going, I have no idea. It is madness of the first order. We have gov’t health care, cap and trade, trillions in red ink and these numbnuts worry about a state certified birth. GODDAMN IDIOTS.

20 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:47:26pm

Hopefully, a bunch of those polled don’t think Hawaii is part of the USA. Ask any Hawaiian how many tourists say “When I get back in the states” Let’s see how the Dems poll on the same question, but I don’t think it’ll approach those numbers. The fringe right has been successful in bull shitting the base.

21 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:48:07pm

re: #12 pingjockey

Where are these people? I’m in very red eastern WA state and I never hear the nirther nonsense, nor otoh troofers from the left. Thank God fro small favors I guess.

“They come out at night. Mostly.”

Actually, I reckon they’re sitting in their basements watching Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs all day long.

22 wahabicorridor  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:48:17pm

That’s ok. About 80% of Dems nationwide think he’s the Messiah so of course the Messiah belongs to the world.

23 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:48:33pm

re: #17 lawhawk

It’s The Marching Morons come to life.

24 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:48:35pm

re: #15 shiplord kirel

That is the most important question we can ask about this. What is the bottom line for these people? Do they really imagine they can remove Obama from office? What then? He has Biden and Pelosi as double indemnity occupant’s insurance on the White House.

It does boggle the mind. Perhaps the vision is Obama standing at the top of the stairs of Air Force One waving good-bye Nixon style. Maybe with his wrists handcuffed. The camera pans to triumphant Nirthers on the tarmac, doing a victory dance.

25 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:48:40pm

Acknowledging that Obama was born in the United States is to acknowledge he was born of man in the first place, rather than mystically created when his father Zeus transformed into a golden swan and seduced a flower maiden. I for one would like to thank Virginia Republicans (of which I am one) for doing their best to uphold the divine origin of the One. Without that unfettered reverence, we might find ourselves on the slippery slope of questioning his policies or wondering why an immortal has suddenly greying hair.

26 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:48:53pm

em>re: #13 debutaunt

How far down is the bottom?

Hit bottom, Drill here, drill now.

27 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:49:11pm

re: #13 debutaunt

How far down is the bottom?

I shudder to think.

28 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:49:18pm

re: #21 Jimmah
Then I wish they’d stay in their basements and not answer polls!

29 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:49:39pm

Hmm…wonder who benefits the most from nirtherism.

Wonder who would benefit from a nice, big, fat, juicy distraction from things suddenly not going their way on socialized healthcare…or stepping in it vis-a-vis a suburban Boston police department…or rising unemployment numbers…or belligerent regimes pursuing WMDs…

30 pink freud  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:49:49pm

I consider the possible agenda. As we all know, polls can be made to look at the pollster wishes. This particular author of this blog, Taegan Goddard, has as contributions in 2008, three: “ACTBLUE’, “KOPPLIN (D), FOR CONGRESS” and JOHN EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT”.

I can’t be the only one seeing this emerging push to paint conservatives as loonies. Of course there are those who are, but I am not seeing in my own life a reality that in any way corresponds to this hysterical-sounding meme being pushed by liberals.

31 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:50:55pm

re: #15 shiplord kirel

That is the most important question we can ask about this. What is the bottom line for these people? Do they really imagine they can remove Obama from office? What then? He has Biden and Pelosi as double indemnity occupant’s insurance on the White House.

it’s like the fans that BOO! at the game but don’t even know what happened or why a few others are…lemmings

32 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:51:42pm

re: #30 pink freud
Sure, BDS was nuts but the mfm can put this out as a rebuttal to anything the one wants to pull. That’s what sucks about such nonsense as this.

33 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:52:21pm

re: #29 Fenway_Nation

Hmm…wonder who benefits the most from nirtherism.

Wonder who would benefit from a nice, big, fat, juicy distraction from things suddenly not going their way on socialized healthcare…or stepping in it vis-a-vis a suburban Boston police department…or rising unemployment numbers…or belligerent regimes pursuing WMDs…

True enough, but the left is only playing up the growing nirther movement, the right needs to speak out against the nuts as Charles does, because the left loves it.

34 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:52:45pm

re: #28 pingjockey

Then I wish they’d stay in their basements and not answer polls!

And stay off the internet too! whenever I can, I try to promote the idea among these nuts that internet and other forms of digital communication aren’t safe if you are one of “those whose eyes have been opened”.

35 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:52:54pm

re: #30 pink freud

I consider the possible agenda. As we all know, polls can be made to look at the pollster wishes. This particular author of this blog, Taegan Goddard, has as contributions in 2008, three: “ACTBLUE’, “KOPPLIN (D), FOR CONGRESS” and JOHN EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT”.

I can’t be the only one seeing this emerging push to paint conservatives as loonies. Of course there are those who are, but I am not seeing in my own life a reality that in any way corresponds to this hysterical-sounding meme being pushed by liberals.

All the raving lefties have come to their senses and tag-teamed the raving righties to take over the bin.

36 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:52:59pm

re: #31 albusteve

re: #15 shiplord kirel


it’s like the fans that BOO! at the game but don’t even know what happened or why a few others are…lemmings

I was saying “Yooouk!”…

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:53:13pm

Why aren’t we playing their game and asking them to PROVE Zero was born elsewhere?

38 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:53:33pm

re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why aren’t we playing their game and asking them to PROVE Zero was born elsewhere?

I forgot this, idiots.

39 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:53:35pm

Its too sad that so many people believe Obama was born in Kenya. Don’t they know it was Iran?

40 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:53:42pm

re: #23 shiplord kirel

It’s The Marching Morons come to life.

Fixed the link - you are the first person I know of who has read that story besides me. Thanks for digging it up.

41 pink freud  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:53:44pm

re: #35 debutaunt

All the raving lefties have come to their senses and tag-teamed the raving righties to take over the bin.

That sums it up nicely.

42 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:53:53pm

re: #36 Fenway_Nation

I was saying “Yooouk!”…

Boog Powell used to get it bigtime

43 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:54:15pm

re: #34 Jimmah
Mwahahaha! Tinfoil hats don’t work either!

44 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:55:14pm

re: #24 Silvergirl

The camera pans to triumphant Nirthers on the tarmac, doing a victory dance.

Is this the one done with skull rattles and nose bones? /

45 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:55:16pm

re: #33 avanti

Coverage and polls of nirtherism seems to have only increased since the GOP chairman came out and unambiguously stated that 0bama was born in the United States.

The MSM is beginning to treat this like it’s some sort of newfangled and novel phenom that warrants 24/7 coverage…

Hmm…wonder who exactly benefits from that?

46 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:56:23pm

re: #44 DaddyG

Is this the one done with skull rattles and nose bones? /

The perfect touch.

47 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:56:42pm

Has anyone read the comments over there? Some of them are as concerning as the poll’s finding.

There is no difference any longer between the Virginia Republicans and the Holocaust deniers.

How can they be the real America when they had the Capitol of the CSA? I think the real America is the part that has always been faithful to it and didn’t try to form a rival government.

There is nothing you could show the Republiban Terrorists that would make their simple minds believe anything other than what they wish to believe.

The way I put it to my students: “Ronald Reagan taught people that it was okay to hate their own government — and instead of having him shot for treason, we named the country’s official national airport after him.”

48 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:56:44pm

nirth, birth, troofers and antiPalinbots…
it’s the new fashion, the new passion

49 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:57:08pm

re: #45 Fenway_Nation

Coverage and polls of nirtherism seems to have only increased since the GOP chairman came out and unambiguously stated that 0bama was born in the United States.

The MSM is beginning to treat this like it’s some sort of newfangled and novel phenom that warrants 24/7 coverage…

Hmm…wonder who exactly benefits from that?

Michael Jackson’s murderer. /

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:57:17pm

re: #29 Fenway_Nation

Hmm…wonder who benefits the most from nirtherism.

Wonder who would benefit from a nice, big, fat, juicy distraction from things suddenly not going their way on socialized healthcare…or stepping in it vis-a-vis a suburban Boston police department…or rising unemployment numbers…or belligerent regimes pursuing WMDs…

It’s the gift that keeps on giving. I’d bet that even Obama is (pleasantly) surprised by the effectiveness of this “one size fits all” distraction.

51 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:57:26pm

re: #44 DaddyG

Is this the one done with skull rattles and nose bones? /

Is that the same SKULL rattles AND nose BONES that Bush and Kerry belonged too??

52 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:57:28pm

re: #30 pink freud

I can’t be the only one seeing this emerging push to paint conservatives as loonies.

Conservatives have supplied them with all the material. What do you expect them to do with it?

53 shortshrift  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:57:52pm

A modified version of a recent post:

Where are we on nirthing?
Harvested from the threads:
Nirthing is right wing, particularly Southern right wing, just as truthering is left wing.
Nirthing will not die down:
because it is the psycho-pathology of sore losers who escalate their fantasies when proved wrong;
because it is fueled by the right wing talk radio and blogs (Charles);
because it is fueled by the left wing MSM and blogs (Cantor);
because Obama refuses to produce original certificate (A. Sullivan and many others);
because it is collective delusion like the Japanese penis-disappearing delusion.
Nirthers’ fraudulent Kenyan birth certificate is the work of Marxist agent provocateurs, so nirthers are victims of political dirty tricks.
Nirthers have done the world a favor because otherwise journalists would not have investigated Obama’s personal life.
Nirther voters are inhibiting GOP from denouncing nirthing, even though they might gain anti-nirther voters (among whom may be truthers).

“Nirthing” - bringing into the world a monster child demanding attention.

54 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:58:03pm

re: #49 DaddyG

Wel…maybe another celeberty can obligngly die in the next few weeks…

/Would Micheal Jackson still be alive under 0bamacare?//

55 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:58:06pm

re: #45 Fenway_Nation

Coverage and polls of nirtherism seems to have only increased since the GOP chairman came out and unambiguously stated that 0bama was born in the United States.

The MSM is beginning to treat this like it’s some sort of newfangled and novel phenom that warrants 24/7 coverage…

Hmm…wonder who exactly benefits from that?

the ninja MSM…use your own weapon against you…stupidity is a deadly weapon in politics

56 researchok  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:58:27pm

32% of VA Republicans are idiots.

End of story.

57 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:59:08pm

re: #52 Jimmah

Conservatives have supplied them with all the material. What do you expect them to do with it?

exploit stupidity…that’s how BO got elected

58 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:59:36pm

re: #56 researchok

32% of VA Republicans who were polled are idiots.

End of story.

59 shmuli  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:59:57pm

This is really getting old. I don’t blame people for wondering if he was born here, as the information is enough to confuse most everybody not paying close attention.

Look at the poll — they did not ask if he was a natural born American citizen, and therefore eligible to be President — they just asked if he was born in the U.S. Not everyone knows how old Obama is and what year Hawaii became a state. With all the confusion out there, people could actually think he was born in transit to Hawaii or in Kenya.

Why should all Lizards expect that the typical voter is paying as much attention to this issue as is this web site? Besides, the dislike of Obama among Republicans and Conservatives is getting so high that those who are lucky enough to be polled would probably prefer to say the most negative thing possible. I could not blame them.

This is not an issue anymore and it really does not matter what Joe average Republican thinks of Obama’s birth place. It DOES matter what Joe average Republican thinks of Obama’s health care plan, his energy policies or his tax policies, and we know these are held in very low esteem, hence the most negative response possible.

60 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:00:05pm

re: #56 researchok

32% of VA Republicans are idiots.

End of story.

Wait a minute. Only 32% of Virginia Republicans Think Obama’s a US Citizen. The rest think he’s NOT.

61 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:00:24pm

re: #56 researchok

32% of VA Republicans are idiots.

End of story.

Eh, it’s 32% that believe he was born here.

62 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:00:39pm

re: #56 researchok

32% of VA Republicans are idiots.

End of story.

One must wonder what the percentage of them are also creationists. IIRC, from the Kos poll, they asked two questions, the birther one, and one about whether Africa and North America had ever been part of the same continent. The numbers did corelate to an extent.

63 pink freud  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:00:39pm

re: #52 Jimmah

Conservatives have supplied them with all the material. What do you expect them to do with it?

I don’t deny the existence of the loonies (on both sides). I question the numbers being pushed. My point was that what I see doesn’t jive with what I read and that this inflation arises from an agenda to discredit regular folks by association. I’m not buying it.

64 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:01:01pm

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

Wel…maybe another celeberty can obligngly die in the next few weeks…

/Would Micheal Jackson still be alive under 0bamacare?//

He would be a live, black, male with a full nose waiting for months to see if he was approved for tylenol with codene. /

65 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:01:11pm

I notice the article is lacking details on the breakdown of the poll numbers as well…

And as another lizard pointed out, some of the comments there are pretty telling.

66 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:01:29pm

Dow up 114 to 9200+

67 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:01:51pm

re: #64 DaddyG

He would be a live, black, male with a full nose waiting for months to see if he was approved for tylenol with codene. /

Hmm. So you’re saying this Obamacare could be a good thing?

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:02:39pm

re: #56 researchok

32% of VA Republicans are idiots.

End of story.

Perhaps you misread? It’s the 32% that are NOT buying into the nirther conspiracy, leaving a much larger percentage of idiots.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:02:49pm

re: #12 pingjockey

Where are these people? I’m in very red eastern WA state and I never hear the nirther nonsense, nor otoh troofers from the left. Thank God fro small favors I guess.

Yeah, I also totally miss out on this stuff, and I can also live without it. Although year before this last I had a class of ninth-graders who were conspiracy theorists to a kid, and it was lots of fun. Top of their list:

1. 9/11 was somehow a set-up. Exactly how, or by who, or to what end, they could not exactly explain. But it was a set-up.

2. George Bush is plotting to unite Mexico, the U.S. and Canada into one nation, change our currency to the amero, and rule over us forever.

3. The CIA killed Princess Diana. (This one led to insane hours of fun. “OK, yes, I do believe the CIA has probably killed people in the past. Explain to me, slowly, why the CIA would want to kill the ex-wife of the hereditary figurehead leader of a close ally, who had no apparent interest in politics.” “So she wouldn’t tell!” “Tell what? Tell whom?” “Oh, you just believe whatever the government says, don’t you, Mrs. SFZ?”)

70 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:03:06pm

re: #66 pingjockey

Dow up 114 to 9200+

meanwhile BO is tanking…there is an historic relationship

71 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:03:09pm

re: #65 Fenway_Nation

I notice the article is lacking details on the breakdown of the poll numbers as well…

And as another lizard pointed out, some of the comments there are pretty telling.

As much as I hate Kos, at least they had a nice breakdown you could use. A breakdown of the poll numbers would be nice to see, such as urban/rural splits, YEC/non-YEC splits, etc.

72 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:01pm

re: #66 pingjockey

Dow up 114 to 9200+

STIMULUS!!!


oh ,, no ,, wait ,,, 96% of that money won;t be spent till next year and beyond

Geee,,, what else would make a market rebound?

Oh ,, yeah ,,, the SAME FREAKING THING THAT ALWAYS HAS HAPPENED ,,,

CAPITILISM !!

73 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:05pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
That sounds very damn entertaining!

74 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:06pm

re: #63 pink freud

I don’t deny the existence of the loonies (on both sides). I question the numbers being pushed. My point was that what I see doesn’t jive with what I read and that this inflation arises from an agenda to discredit regular folks by association. I’m not buying it.

It jives completely with the explosion of nirthery we’ve all seen on the web and in the media, right across the right wing blogging world, radio pundits and on cable tv. It strikes me as somewhat surreal in this context that anyone could at this point try to paint it’s mainstreaming among the right as a fiction of the left.

75 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:07pm

re: #40 DaddyG

Fixed the link - you are the first person I know of who has read that story besides me. Thanks for digging it up.

I never heard of that story, but it seems to have been the inspiration for Idiocracy.

76 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:11pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

You are just part of the establishment. /

77 altermite  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:18pm

With polls like this, I can understand why politicians think the majority of their constituents are easily duped fools.

The reason the politicians are in trouble isn’t because the electorate saw through them, but because someone else managed to dupe them first this time around.

78 pink freud  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:27pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Future voters.

*sigh*

79 Ziggy  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:45pm

I still don’t believe the hype. Sure there are nuts out there, but no way are there that many. PPP are Dems and I would love to see the questions asked and sampling before I buy that number. There is a full court press on to lump all Obama dissenters as fringe. I call BS on this poll

80 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:47pm
81 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:49pm

re: #20 avanti

Hopefully, a bunch of those polled don’t think Hawaii is part of the USA. Ask any Hawaiian how many tourists say “When I get back in the states” Let’s see how the Dems poll on the same question, but I don’t think it’ll approach those numbers. The fringe right has been successful in bull shitting the base.

One of my college friends grew up in Honolulu. Whenever her aunt called from Georgia she would say “Run get your grandmother and tell her Aunt Gracie is calling from The States.”

Of course, I think Aunt Gracie remembered when Hawaii wasn’t a state, so that may be worth something.

82 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:54pm
83 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:04:55pm

Not to diminish the nauseating effects of this poll, but this sort of thing isn’t unique to Republicans. Applying the same sort of math used in reporting the Kos poll, 61% of Democrats believe Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks. (This differs from the numbers being touted yesterday; this may be a different poll than was mentioned in an earlier thread). In any case, it’s a widespread phenomenon. Lord knows how many Democrats believe that Bush’s TANG records are somehow suspect, even today.

As I noted in the previous thread: by definition, half of the population is below average. Take what comfort may be available from knowing you’re in the other half.

84 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:05:00pm

Not to discount the severity of the nirther delusion, but something smells fishy to me about this poll.

First of all, is it being reported anywhere other than “Taegan Gollard’s Political Wire”? I took at look at the website of Public Policy Polling, the organization that supposedly did the poll, and there’s no mention of it at all.

And why aren’t the complete results being released until tomorrow? Is it common to release one finding as a “tease,” then release the rest the next day? If so, wouldn’t it make more sense for PPP to issue the “tease” itself?

Also, even if Taegan Goddard’s article is correct, the headline is not consistent with the article. The headline says “32% think Obama is a citizen,” whereas the text says “32% think Obama was born in the United States.”

85 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:05:05pm

re: #72 sattv4u2
Shhh. That’s the word… don’t say that word. The acorn troopers will be at yer door!

86 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:05:09pm

I believe…


I’ll have a beer

87 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:05:21pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I also totally miss out on this stuff, and I can also live without it. Although year before this last I had a class of ninth-graders who were conspiracy theorists to a kid, and it was lots of fun. Top of their list:

1. 9/11 was somehow a set-up. Exactly how, or by who, or to what end, they could not exactly explain. But it was a set-up.

2. George Bush is plotting to unite Mexico, the U.S. and Canada into one nation, change our currency to the amero, and rule over us forever.

3. The CIA killed Princess Diana. (This one led to insane hours of fun. “OK, yes, I do believe the CIA has probably killed people in the past. Explain to me, slowly, why the CIA would want to kill the ex-wife of the hereditary figurehead leader of a close ally, who had no apparent interest in politics.” “So she wouldn’t tell!” “Tell what? Tell whom?” “Oh, you just believe whatever the government says, don’t you, Mrs. SFZ?”)

The moon landing was shot on a Hollywood set, the earth is flat, and Cato is Marie of Romania.

88 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:05:21pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

Perhaps you misread? It’s the 32% that are NOT buying into the nirther conspiracy, leaving a much larger percentage of idiots.

To be fair, thjere are also over 1/4th (27%) that are not sure, which I never understood as an answer

Geezzz,, pick a side !!

89 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:05:44pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

Given that I have met college-educated people who think that Chicago is a “state,” it would not surprise me if a number of those polled are not aware that Hawaii is part of the US.


Isn’t that where the Chicanos come from? /

90 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:06:56pm

re: #85 pingjockey

Shhh. That’s the word… don’t say that word. The acorn troopers will be at yer door!

Good ,, the dog hasn’t had a good run in weeks!

91 Ziggy  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:07:11pm

re: #74 Jimmah

It jives completely with the explosion of nirthery we’ve all seen on the web and in the media, right across the right wing blogging world, radio pundits and on cable tv. It strikes me as somewhat surreal in this context that anyone could at this point try to paint it’s mainstreaming among the right as a fiction of the left.

You can give the impression of having an army with a computer, fax machine and list of media contacts.

92 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:07:18pm

re: #83 SixDegrees
Can you imagine if even 40% of the population paid as much attention to current events as the 90% of lizards do?

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:07:24pm

re: #64 DaddyG

He would be a live, black, male with a full nose waiting for months to see if he was approved for tylenol with codene. /

God, he was such a good-looking boy. And then he cut his face off and bleached it, like a kid punking up a t-shirt.

94 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

Given that I have met college-educated people who think that Chicago is a “state,” it would not surprise me if a number of those polled are not aware that Hawaii is part of the US.

I stopped telling people I am from Wisconsin. Too many asked what state that was in. Now, I just say I am from Milwaukee - its north of Chicago.

95 Ziggy  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

Given that I have met college-educated people who think that Chicago is a “state,” it would not surprise me if a number of those polled are not aware that Hawaii is part of the US.

funny but true

96 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:07:51pm

so what’s to be done?…these are the very people that will depose BO…hahaha!…Nirther Power!…(there is a beach somewhere with my name on it)

97 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:08:01pm

re: #90 sattv4u2

Good ,, the dog hasn’t had a good run in weeks!

You gave me a good bumpersticker idea. “My Pit Bull goes nuts for ACORN”

98 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:08:10pm

re: #90 sattv4u2
Mwahahaha…a lizard after me own heart.

99 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:08:33pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

Given that I have met college-educated people who think that Chicago is a “state,” it would not surprise me if a number of those polled are not aware that Hawaii is part of the US.

It’s tragic, the level of geography education I’ve seen. And the US is no better than other countries out there. Most people are complete and total idiots when it comes to geography. I’m shocked they can even find their way to work in the morning.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:08:38pm

re: #73 pingjockey

That sounds very damn entertaining!

It was kind of fun. Scary (these kids were four years or less away from voting), but fun.

101 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:08:42pm
102 mfarmer1  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:09:05pm

Sure, it’s beyond nuts. But if the nuttiness is this widespread, it has also crossed the lines to Democrats and Independents to some extent.

I thought that this would really marginalize the Republicans and that Obama would gain from this, and while that’s probably still true to some extent, I’m starting to wonder if this isn’t going to actually end up working against Obama now. Is he actually going to have to eventually provide live footage of his birth now with Diamondhead in the background to shut these lunatics up for good?

The bad craziness as Charles puts it doesn’t even cover how bizarre this has become.

103 JustABill  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:09:47pm

re: #56 researchok

32% of VA Republicans are idiots.

End of story.

You may have it wrong, It looks like 32% of VA republicans believe Obama is a US Citizen, leaving 68% who believe he is not a US Citizen, your comment leads me to believe you think those who believe Obama is a US Citizen are idiots.

You may want to re-phrase your comments…

104 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:09:56pm

re: #96 albusteve

Not much that can be done I suppose. We’ll have to wait until the end of Obama’s second term and see if the GOP has come to its senses.

105 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:09:57pm

Another fine outcome brought to you by self-esteem based educational programs.

106 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:10:00pm
107 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:10:01pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
Ya gotta admit the scary part but those young minds just careening around had to be fun.

108 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:10:42pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Not much that can be done I suppose. We’ll have to wait until the end of Obama’s second term and see if the GOP has come to its senses.

second prison term??

//

109 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:10:50pm
110 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:11:00pm

if you toss out all the creationists, nirthers, Paulians, wife cheaters and bass playing Mormons, you’ll need a magnifying glass to find the GOP

111 jill e  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:11:08pm

re: #17 lawhawk

Mirror image of the craziness erupting on the left over the Palin divorce rumors.

The stupidity, insanity, and ODS, PDS, BDS, etc. is accelerating at an every more insane pace.

“Divorce Todd? Have you seen Todd? I may be just a renegade hockey mom, but I’m not blind!” — SARAH PALIN

112 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:11:22pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

You’re from Milwaukee? Then you oughta know/Why Blatz beer tastes great/Wherever you go…

I don’t because every true Milwaukeean knows that Blatz gives you the “Blatz splats” the next day. We therefore avoid it like the plague.

113 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:11:23pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

3. The CIA killed Princess Diana. (This one led to insane hours of fun. “OK, yes, I do believe the CIA has probably killed people in the past. Explain to me, slowly, why the CIA would want to kill the ex-wife of the hereditary figurehead leader of a close ally, who had no apparent interest in politics.” “So she wouldn’t tell!” “Tell what? Tell whom?” “Oh, you just believe whatever the government says, don’t you, Mrs. SFZ?”)

Heh. Micheal Savage states that it was the British secret intelligence that killed her, to prevent her unborn, half-arab love child from gaining the throne.

Yes, he was being serious.
No, I can’t figure his logic on that.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:11:27pm

re: #87 Silvergirl

The moon landing was shot on a Hollywood set, the earth is flat, and Cato is Marie of Romania.

My kids did in fact believe the moon landing was faked too. They didn’t know who Marie of Romania was. (They were, however, amazed to learn that the band Franz Ferdinand was named for a real person. I was also the history teacher.)

They also believed that the First World War started in 1863, but that was the fault of one kid who was too damn smart for his own good.

115 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:11:54pm

re: #110 albusteve

if you toss out all the creationists, nirthers, Paulians, wife cheaters and bass playing Mormons, you’ll need a magnifying glass to find the GOP

Bass playing Mormons?

116 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:12:14pm

re: #66 pingjockey

Dow up 114 to 9200+

Strap yourself in. I have a feeling it’s going to be one of those roller-coaster months. Irrational exuberance is returning, and the morning after isn’t going to be pleasant. Note that oil spiked back up over $70 - OPEC’s target is $100.

117 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:12:18pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Not much that can be done I suppose. We’ll have to wait until the end of Obama’s second term and see if the GOP has come to its senses.

I’ve come to appreciate your loaded statements bro…

118 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:12:24pm
119 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:13:08pm

re: #110 albusteve

if you toss out all the creationists, nirthers, Paulians, wife cheaters and bass playing Mormons, you’ll need a magnifying glass to find the GOP

Who plays bass? If you’re thinking Huck, I think he is a he’s a fundementalist Christian.

120 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:13:11pm

re: #112 Creeping Eruption

I don’t because every true Milwaukeean knows that Blatz gives you the “Blatz splats” the next day. We therefore avoid it like the plague.

Don’t ask about Schlitz …/

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:13:21pm

re: #107 pingjockey

Ya gotta admit the scary part but those young minds just careening around had to be fun.

The best part was when this kid was warning me solemnly about the NAU, and he looked at my face closely and said, “You don’t believe this, do you, Mrs. SFZ?”

122 Altermite  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:13:46pm

re: #110 albusteve

if you toss out all the creationists, nirthers, Paulians, wife cheaters and bass playing Mormons, you’ll need a magnifying glass to find the GOP

And all of them like going for hikes.

123 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:13:49pm

re: #103 JustABill

You may have it wrong, It looks like 32% of VA republicans believe Obama is a US Citizen, leaving 68% who believe he is not a US Citizen, your comment leads me to believe you think those who believe Obama is a US Citizen are idiots.

You may want to re-phrase your comments…

Did you assume that the 27% are too stupid to decide and should be tossed into the stupid pile?

124 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:14:10pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
You have my sympathy and my everlasting respect for what you do. I taught young men for 3 years in a formal setting at for 10 years in an informal setting as an NCO.

125 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:14:36pm

re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who plays bass? If you’re thinking Huck, I think he is a he’s a fundementalist Christian.

Now that’s one ironic mix-up. Huckabee as a Mormon.

126 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:14:36pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

The best part was when this kid was warning me solemnly about the NAU, and he looked at my face closely and said, “You don’t believe this, do you, Mrs. SFZ?”

OT: Going to San Francisco in a few weeks. Any restaurant suggestions? Local stuff …

127 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:14:41pm

re: #111 jill e

“Divorce Todd? Have you seen Todd? I may be just a renegade hockey mom, but I’m not blind!” — SARAH PALIN

Too bad we waste any time talking about Palin. It’s just like the birth certificate, a nothing story.

128 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:14:41pm

Birthers and Truthers

Birthers and Truthers: The Political Calculus
By Tom Suhadolnik

… Fourth, the Democrats and Republicans both are retreating deeper and deeper into their own parallel universes.

No one except the more Machiavellian elements of either party should take comfort in the last point. Healthy debate requires all sides to share some common truths and language to facilitate dialog. There is never going to be much common ground between parallel universes.

129 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:14:46pm

re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who plays bass? If you’re thinking Huck, I think he is a he’s a fundementalist Christian.

Yeah. The Mormons sing in the choir.

130 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:15:01pm

re: #115 DaddyG

Bass playing Mormons?

Huck Romberry or whoever he is

131 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:15:10pm

re: #111 jill e

“Divorce Todd? Have you seen Todd? I may be just a renegade hockey mom, but I’m not blind!” — SARAH PALIN

hahahahahaahahahahahahahhahaa

132 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:15:16pm

re: #116 SixDegrees
Didn’t know oil was sneaking back up. That will temper a lot of exuberance all right.

133 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:15:21pm

The market was up over 1% again today, getting back to levels last seen last November.

I think it is reasonable to conclude that the melt down is over.

That being said, I really don;lt see a whole lot of good news out there to base hopes in a continuing bull market at the moment. GDP is still shrinking and you will get unemployment approaching 9.8% at the end of the week. Without decreasing unemployment (not just a slowing of job destruction) and real GDP growth is needed for the market to expand on any meaningful level.

So there was a lot of cash sitting on the sidelines and some of it decided to get back into the market carefully. But they will scram in an instant.

I would not be surprised to see a pull back of 5% at least in the near future.

Oil climbed to $71.28 and 10 year treasuries rose to 3.63%.

134 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:15:23pm

re: #125 Silvergirl

Now that’s one ironic mix-up. Huckabee as a Mormon.


We will take him if he promises to stop smoking squirrels.

135 shmuli  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:15:42pm

Geez — Reading more of my fellow Lizard’s comments makes me wonder what kind of haters are hang out at this site?

Uh, Hello? You guys have not even seen the poll. You do not know what question was asked, how it was phrased, who, exactly, was polled, or what the possible answers were. Nobody at this site has bothered to mention or question the reputation of “Public Policy Polling” - whoever the hell they are, and what relationship/background they have.

This rush to judgment and nasty, negative perspective, without even knowing much about the poll is a very poor reflection on the intelligence, fairness and diligence of the Lizard community. I am disappointed by some of the comments here.

136 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:15:47pm

re: #130 albusteve

Huck Romberry or whoever he is

I think he was the origianl producer of Star Trek? /

137 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:15:54pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
Mwahahaha!

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:15:58pm

re: #110 albusteve

if you toss out all the creationists, nirthers, Paulians, wife cheaters and bass playing Mormons, you’ll need a magnifying glass to find the GOP

First, keep the Mormons. Second, aren’t there, like, a bunch of normal people out there who vote Republican? Just regular folks who volunteer for dalmatian rescue and go out for pancakes after church? I mean, these crazy people can’t add up to half the population.

139 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:16:18pm

re: #111 jill e

“Divorce Todd? Have you seen Todd? I may be just a renegade hockey mom, but I’m not blind!” — SARAH PALIN

Is that truly from Palin? Good one, Sarah!

140 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:16:32pm

re: #92 pingjockey

Can you imagine if even 40% of the population paid as much attention to current events as the 90% of lizards do?

We live in an age of extreme specialization. A fellow I work with - a brilliant software engineer - was ranting about how the oil companies know how to run engines using water, and are sitting on the technology, buying up patents and worse to prevent the knowledge from getting out. Pointing out that any car company offering such a vehicle would instantly make enough money to buy Bill Gates as their pool boy, and that the whole purpose of patents is public disclosure got me exactly nowhere. This is a highly educated guy working in an environment where he’s surrounded by engineers, physicists and other scientists, many with Ph.Ds.

Great programmer. Deep thinker, not so much.

141 JustABill  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:16:40pm

re: #115 DaddyG

Bass playing Mormons?

Mitt Romney, a reasonably sane Republican who will probably never be president, because of his religion…

142 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:16:42pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton
Hey Walter! How’s things?

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:16:50pm

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Micheal Savage states that it was the British secret intelligence that killed her, to prevent her unborn, half-arab love child from gaining the throne.

Yes, he was being serious.
No, I can’t figure his logic on that.

Me neither.

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:17:11pm

re: #125 Silvergirl

Didn’t Huck blast Romney?


re: #129 DaddyG

I love Marie Osmond, still.

145 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:17:20pm

As much as I despise the establishment media and their sordid manipulations, THEY ARE NOT GINNING THIS UP TO MAKE REPUBLICANS LOOK BAD!
Republicans are doing that to themselves. Just check out places like Free Republic and Red State. Go back through LGF and check out the video of craven Republican congressmen dodging a simple question about the birther claims.
These polls may be biased to some degree, but they are not made up out of whole cloth. Numbers a third that high would be alarming. This has been going on for a while, true, but it is not old news and it is not time to “move on” so long as this craziness threatens to turn the Obama administration’s only credible opposition into a lunatic asylum

146 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:17:34pm

Flounce @ #135!

147 Altermite  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:17:36pm

re: #135 shmuli

Geez — Reading more of my fellow Lizard’s comments makes me wonder what kind of haters are hang out at this site?

Uh, Hello? You guys have not even seen the poll. You do not know what question was asked, how it was phrased, who, exactly, was polled, or what the possible answers were. Nobody at this site has bothered to mention or question the reputation of “Public Policy Polling” - whoever the hell they are, and what relationship/background they have.

This rush to judgment and nasty, negative perspective, without even knowing much about the poll is a very poor reflection on the intelligence, fairness and diligence of the Lizard community. I am disappointed by some of the comments here.

Even if they only polled 100 people, they still have 41 crazy idiots and 27 people who are working on it.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:17:59pm

re: #124 pingjockey

You have my sympathy and my everlasting respect for what you do. I taught young men for 3 years in a formal setting at for 10 years in an informal setting as an NCO.

Thank you. The next year I was at a Catholic high school and it was much less weird.

149 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:18:02pm

Dinner time - BBL

150 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:18:14pm

re: #141 JustABill

Mitt Romney, a reasonably sane Republican who will probably never be president, because of his religion…

…but he will carry the all important electoral votes from Utah, Idaho and Wyoming. *sigh*

151 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:18:23pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

First, keep the Mormons. Second, aren’t there, like, a bunch of normal people out there who vote Republican? Just regular folks who volunteer for dalmatian rescue and go out for pancakes after church? I mean, these crazy people can’t add up to half the population.

half the voters, why not?…conservative America sits at home on it’s ass watching American Idol…gets these lazy butt voters to the polls…problem solved

152 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:18:24pm

re: #129 DaddyG

Yeah. The Mormons sing in the choir.

Speaking of which, I had the opportunity last year to witness that them live (The Mormon Tabenacle Chior) Awe inspiring (and no, i’m not a Mormon ,, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express)

153 researchok  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:18:27pm

re: #61 avanti

Eh, it’s 32% that believe he was born here.

I stand corrected.

I was momentarily stunned by the numbers.

154 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:18:44pm

re: #126 Creeping Eruption

OT: Going to San Francisco in a few weeks. Any restaurant suggestions? Local stuff …

If you like hof-brau type fare, Tommy’s Joynt is awesome.

The aroma wafting out the door will make your mouth water. And don’t be turned off by the long lines, they move like lightning behind that counter.

155 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:18:55pm

re: #135 shmuli

thanks…I work at it

156 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:19:12pm

re: #133 3 wood

The market was up over 1% again today, getting back to levels last seen last November.

I think it is reasonable to conclude that the melt down is over.

That being said, I really don;lt see a whole lot of good news out there to base hopes in a continuing bull market at the moment. GDP is still shrinking and you will get unemployment approaching 9.8% at the end of the week. Without decreasing unemployment (not just a slowing of job destruction) and real GDP growth is needed for the market to expand on any meaningful level.

So there was a lot of cash sitting on the sidelines and some of it decided to get back into the market carefully. But they will scram in an instant.

I would not be surprised to see a pull back of 5% at least in the near future.

Oil climbed to $71.28 and 10 year treasuries rose to 3.63%.

I just said much the same thing. It’s going to be a rocky month, I think.

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:19:32pm

re: #126 Creeping Eruption

OT: Going to San Francisco in a few weeks. Any restaurant suggestions? Local stuff …

What kind of food do you like, and where in the city will you be? And what price range? Without knowing either I suggest the Far East Cafe in Chinatown for both the food and the elegant setting (private booths and giant elaborate light fixtures brought over from China many years ago.

158 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:19:32pm

re: #142 pingjockey

Hey Walter! How’s things?

Fine. Sitting around the Secret Mountain Lair with the 3 dogs, listening to talk radio, waiting for a little afternoon thunderstorm.

159 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:19:36pm

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn’t Huck blast Romney?


re: #129 DaddyG

I love Marie Osmond, still.


It was an oblique blast. Quoting some old anti-mormon propaganda aimed at cementing the fundamentalist Christian vote. (Dumb move if you ask me - he was probably going to get it anyway.)

160 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:19:37pm

re: #135 shmuli

Would you care for a beverage whilst you melt down?

161 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:19:45pm

re: #126 Creeping Eruption

Going to San Francisco in a few weeks. Any restaurant suggestions? Local stuff …

Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.

162 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:19:49pm

re: #154 Slumbering Behemoth

Bookmarked. Thanks.

163 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:19:50pm

re: #133 3 wood

I keep waiting for market corrections but haven’t seen much. I’m really surprised we’ve held on to all these gains. Looks like unemployment is going to be a problem for a while…
Geithner Says Unemployment May Peak in Second Half of 2010

164 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:19:51pm

re: #135 shmuli

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165 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:20:09pm

So only 32% of Virginia Republicans think Obama is a citizen? That’s good there folks, you keep your eye on that for us m’kay? Meanwhile, the rest of us - the sane folks - will keep an eye on other stuff. Say,

Biggest revenue drop since 1932

The numbers could hardly be more stark: Tax receipts are on pace to drop 18 percent this year, the biggest single-year decline since the Great Depression, while the federal deficit balloons to a record $1.8 trillion.

Social Security - screwed. Medicare - screwed. Medicaid - screwed. Nation’s infrastructure - screwed. And the administration wants even more: universal health care (actually nationwide health insurance, but who am I to quibble) and Cap and Trade.

And raising taxes, well according to Geithner, that’s on the table.

These fools are going to bankrupt us completely, and 68% of Virginians care more about a nirth certificate? It’s total insanity.

166 ladycatnip  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:20:22pm

I just spoke with a long-time conservative friend yesterday and found out she’s a Troofer AND a Nirther. I’ve known her for over 30 years and always found her to be a reasonable, thinking person. I tried to talk with her but to no avail. She believes the Twin Towers both fell from controlled demolition and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile. She believes Obama is NOT an American, and also spoke of the Illuminati and the Builderberg conspiracy.

I’m confounded and upset.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:20:30pm

re: #134 DaddyG

We will take him if he promises to stop smoking squirrels.

Deep frying!

168 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:20:49pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

What kind of food do you like, and where in the city will you be? And what price range? Without knowing either I suggest the Far East Cafe in Chinatown for both the food and the elegant setting (private booths and giant elaborate light fixtures brought over from China many years ago.

Just give me the names of favorite places for the locals. I eat almost anything and am on vacation so I do not really care about cost. I want to eat where the locals eat.

169 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:21:17pm

re: #155 albusteve

thanks…I work at it

Hey, it’s a group effort here. :-)

170 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:21:20pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

Fine. Sitting around the Secret Mountain Lair with the 3 dogs, listening to talk radio, waiting for a little afternoon thunderstorm.

when the sun goes down, it will be a Three Dog Night…

171 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:21:28pm

re: #152 sattv4u2

Speaking of which, I had the opportunity last year to witness that them live (The Mormon Tabenacle Chior) Awe inspiring (and no, i’m not a Mormon ,, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express)

Yeah they are good. I caught them in Atlanta years ago. All of those performers are volunteers.

172 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:21:37pm

re: #165 subsailor68

So only 32% of Virginia Republicans think Obama is a citizen? That’s good there folks, you keep your eye on that for us m’kay? Meanwhile, the rest of us - the sane folks - will keep an eye on other stuff. Say,

Biggest revenue drop since 1932

The numbers could hardly be more stark: Tax receipts are on pace to drop 18 percent this year, the biggest single-year decline since the Great Depression, while the federal deficit balloons to a record $1.8 trillion.

Social Security - screwed. Medicare - screwed. Medicaid - screwed. Nation’s infrastructure - screwed. And the administration wants even more: universal health care (actually nationwide health insurance, but who am I to quibble) and Cap and Trade.

And raising taxes, well according to Geithner, that’s on the table.

These fools are going to bankrupt us completely, and 68% of Virginians care more about a nirth certificate? It’s total insanity.

More incentive for me to hide every cent I can and no reason for me to try and make more.

173 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:21:43pm

re: #161 3 wood

Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.

Rings on my fingers and bells bells on my shoes?/

174 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:21:52pm
175 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:22:06pm

re: #164 Jimmah

(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 17, 2006 at 5:58 pm
No. of comments posted: 30
No. of links posted: 7

so?

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:22:07pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

I keep waiting for market corrections but haven’t seen much. I’m really surprised we’ve held on to all these gains. Looks like unemployment is going to be a problem for a while…
Geithner Says Unemployment May Peak in Second Half of 2010

Not true. Zero told me unemployment wouldn’t go over 8%. I know, ‘cause he told me.
//

177 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:22:36pm

re: #169 Silvergirl

Hey, it’s a group effort here. :-)

Love the nirther, hate the conspiracy.

//Or something.

/

178 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:22:46pm

Stimulus…
Stimulus money pays fishermen to snare lost nets

Seems like a nice idea.

179 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:22:51pm

re: #134 DaddyG

We will take him if he promises to stop smoking squirrels.

What is they’re de-caffeinated squirrels? Oh wait, you said smoking squirrels. I’m so confused.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:23:04pm

re: #154 Slumbering Behemoth

If you like hof-brau type fare, Tommy’s Joynt is awesome.

The aroma wafting out the door will make your mouth water. And don’t be turned off by the long lines, they move like lightning behind that counter.

Tommy’s Joynt is excellent. Oh, and for Chinese, Ton Kiang out on Geary is awesome. Regular food, also great dim sum on weekend mornings. Get there early. Izzy’s Steak House is good.

181 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:23:26pm

re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

good strategy…it works for me

182 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:23:53pm

re: #161 3 wood

Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.

Summertime will be a love-in there.

183 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:24:01pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

I keep waiting for market corrections but haven’t seen much. I’m really surprised we’ve held on to all these gains. Looks like unemployment is going to be a problem for a while…
Geithner Says Unemployment May Peak in Second Half of 2010

So, who do we believe? Yesterday he said a tax cut on middle class Americans was not off the table, today Gibbs says no way, back and forth, we are told this and that.

So, Ford show good figures today, right after the Cash for Clunker program peaks, media says it’s due to the Cash for Clunkers, but I haven’t seen any actual figures.

Want to know what? I think we are being fed a bunch of bullshit on a daily basis, to the point we can’t make out what is real and what isn’t… (example, from my script)…

Pre-show speech 1

Telescreen(s) Voice and face:
Here is the latest news from the Ministry of Plenty. As of today, the Ministry of Plenty is happy to announce that overall production has increased by 35 percent. As compared to last year on this date, there is more food, more clothes, more houses, more furniture, more cooking pots, more fuel, more ships, more helicopters, more books and even more babies. We thank Big Brother for the new, happy life which his wise leadership has bestowed upon us. Long Live Big Brother.

(The Telescreen goes out)

Pre-show speech 2

Telescreen(s) Voice and face:
Here is the latest news from the Ministry of Plenty. As of today, the Ministry of Plenty is sad to announce that overall production has decreased by 35 percent. As compared to last year on this date, there is less food, less clothes, less houses, less furniture, less cooking pots, less fuel, less ships, less helicopters, less books and even less babies. We hold the traitor Emmanuel Goldstein responsible for this new depressing life which his vile insurgency has bestowed upon us. Death to Emmanuel Goldstein.

(The Telescreen goes out)

Pre-show speech 3

Telescreen(s) Voice and face:
Here is the latest news from the Ministry of Plenty. As of today, the Ministry of Plenty is cautious to announce that overall production may increase to 35 percent. As compared to last year on this date, there is a upsurge in food, in clothes, in houses, in furniture, in cooking pots, in fuel, in ships, in helicopters, in books and even in babies. We thank Big Brother for the future, happy life which his wise leadership has promised us. Long Live Big Brother.

(The Telescreen goes out)

Read those three paragraphs… sound familiar?

184 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:24:04pm

re: #168 Creeping Eruption

Oh, you’ll like Tommy’s then. The prices are reasonable, the helpings are generous, and everything tastes great.

Now I’m hungry. Later Lizards, time for grub.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:24:06pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

Tommy’s Joynt is excellent. Oh, and for Chinese, Ton Kiang out on Geary is awesome. Regular food, also great dim sum on weekend mornings. Get there early. Izzy’s Steak House is good.

Mescolanza, out on Clement, good Italian. Giorgio’s, farther up Clement, good pizza, neighborhood joint, beautiful waitresses.

186 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:24:26pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

Tommy’s Joynt is excellent. Oh, and for Chinese, Ton Kiang out on Geary is awesome. Regular food, also great dim sum on weekend mornings. Get there early. Izzy’s Steak House is good.

List e-mailed to my better half. Thanks.

187 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:25:05pm

re: #156 SixDegrees

I just said much the same thing. It’s going to be a rocky month, I think.


I don;t see any hard economic data to support a sustained rise in the market. Slowing the destruction of jobs and wealth does not equate with growing the economy.

188 vxbush  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:25:11pm

I can’t say anything else about this that hasn’t already been said. I appreciate Charles showing how the craziness has spread, but that doesn’t give me anything wise to say.

189 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:25:25pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

Read those three paragraphs… sound familiar?

Sounds like avanti’s posts here.

190 mfarmer1  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:25:49pm

re: #166 ladycatnip

Sorry to hear that. I’m starting to think maybe we were all a bit more sane when we had to use payphones and Thomas Guides and didn’t get our “news” from [Link: www.obamaistheantichrist.com…] and such.

191 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:25:53pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

I keep waiting for market corrections but haven’t seen much. I’m really surprised we’ve held on to all these gains. Looks like unemployment is going to be a problem for a while…
Geithner Says Unemployment May Peak in Second Half of 2010

At least they’re keeping Geithner away from microphones during the business week. Letting him speak while the markets are open has probably drained more wealth than any other single cause.

In the same interview, he said the Administration will be taxing the middle class, well down into the 5-digit range. The WH bitch slapped him for it this morning, but it’s out there now.

192 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:26:06pm

re: #188 vxbush

I can’t say anything else about this that hasn’t already been said. I appreciate Charles showing how the craziness has spread, but that doesn’t give me anything wise to say.

I think you just did !

193 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:26:15pm

re: #166 ladycatnip

I just spoke with a long-time conservative friend yesterday and found out she’s a Troofer AND a Nirther. I’ve known her for over 30 years and always found her to be a reasonable, thinking person. I tried to talk with her but to no avail. She believes the Twin Towers both fell from controlled demolition and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile. She believes Obama is NOT an American, and also spoke of the Illuminati and the Builderberg conspiracy.

I’m confounded and upset.


We seem to need a new party that requires a simple test that proves basic common sense.

194 medaura18586  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:26:30pm

OT: One of the funniest and most bizarre things I’ve read in a while: The Flat Earth Society.

[Link: www.lhup.edu…]

195 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:26:32pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

Nice. No t-storms here until at least Thursday and then it’ll cool off but then the chance for forest fires goes waaay up!

196 jill e  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:26:36pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

Too bad we waste any time talking about Palin. It’s just like the birth certificate, a nothing story.

Exactly my point. It’s significant numbers of crazies from both sides! Google “Trig’s Birth Certificate” and it’s truly unbelievable.

197 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:27:12pm

re: #166 ladycatnip

I just spoke with a long-time conservative friend yesterday and found out she’s a Troofer AND a Nirther. I’ve known her for over 30 years and always found her to be a reasonable, thinking person. I tried to talk with her but to no avail. She believes the Twin Towers both fell from controlled demolition and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile. She believes Obama is NOT an American, and also spoke of the Illuminati and the Builderberg conspiracy.

I’m confounded and upset.

I just posted a poll on facebook, the “Birther/Truther Correlation Poll”. It’s a two-variable, four-answer poll, along these lines:
Citizen/Al-Qaeda;
Citizen/Inside Job;
Non-Citizen/Al-Qaeda;
Non-Citizen/Inside Job.

Let’s see what pops up.

198 vxbush  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:27:39pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

So, who do we believe? Yesterday he said a tax cut on middle class Americans was not off the table, today Gibbs says no way, back and forth, we are told this and that.

So, Ford show good figures today, right after the Cash for Clunker program peaks, media says it’s due to the Cash for Clunkers, but I haven’t seen any actual figures.

Want to know what? I think we are being fed a bunch of bullshit on a daily basis, to the point we can’t make out what is real and what isn’t… (example, from my script)…

Pre-show speech 1

Telescreen(s) Voice and face:
Here is the latest news from the Ministry of Plenty. As of today, the Ministry of Plenty is happy to announce that overall production has increased by 35 percent. As compared to last year on this date, there is more food, more clothes, more houses, more furniture, more cooking pots, more fuel, more ships, more helicopters, more books and even more babies. We thank Big Brother for the new, happy life which his wise leadership has bestowed upon us. Long Live Big Brother.

(The Telescreen goes out)

Pre-show speech 2

Telescreen(s) Voice and face:
Here is the latest news from the Ministry of Plenty. As of today, the Ministry of Plenty is sad to announce that overall production has decreased by 35 percent. As compared to last year on this date, there is less food, less clothes, less houses, less furniture, less cooking pots, less fuel, less ships, less helicopters, less books and even less babies. We hold the traitor Emmanuel Goldstein responsible for this new depressing life which his vile insurgency has bestowed upon us. Death to Emmanuel Goldstein.

(The Telescreen goes out)

Pre-show speech 3

Telescreen(s) Voice and face:
Here is the latest news from the Ministry of Plenty. As of today, the Ministry of Plenty is cautious to announce that overall production may increase to 35 percent. As compared to last year on this date, there is a upsurge in food, in clothes, in houses, in furniture, in cooking pots, in fuel, in ships, in helicopters, in books and even in babies. We thank Big Brother for the future, happy life which his wise leadership has promised us. Long Live Big Brother.

(The Telescreen goes out)

Read those three paragraphs… sound familiar?

All too familiar. There is no coordinated message from the Obama administration. They are either completely bumbling or this is intentional.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:27:47pm

re: #161 3 wood

Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.

Also, bring a jacket. Layers are essential.

And check out the Eagle Cafe down at Pier 39. The pier is schlock, the Cafe is old-school greasy spoon. And at Fisherman’s Wharf, Scoma’s. They have their own boat, and it’s just good fresh seafood. You can also get a steak if you really want one.

200 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:28:15pm

re: #173 Creeping Eruption

Rings on my fingers and bells bells on my shoes?/

If your Going To San Francisco

One of the first tunes I learned to play when I took up guitar in college.

201 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:28:17pm

re: #190 mfarmer1

Sorry to hear that. I’m starting to think maybe we were all a bit more sane when we had to use payphones and Thomas Guides and didn’t get our “news” from [Link: www.obamaistheantichrist.com…] and such.

Why on earth would you post that link here?

202 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:28:19pm

who would believe anything from this admin?…why?…how did they earn your confidence?…the raging success of CfCs?…snort

203 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:28:52pm

re: #133 3 wood

The market was up over 1% again today, getting back to levels last seen last November.

I think it is reasonable to conclude that the melt down is over.

That being said, I really don;lt see a whole lot of good news out there to base hopes in a continuing bull market at the moment. GDP is still shrinking and you will get unemployment approaching 9.8% at the end of the week. Without decreasing unemployment (not just a slowing of job destruction) and real GDP growth is needed for the market to expand on any meaningful level.

So there was a lot of cash sitting on the sidelines and some of it decided to get back into the market carefully. But they will scram in an instant.

I would not be surprised to see a pull back of 5% at least in the near future.

Oil climbed to $71.28 and 10 year treasuries rose to 3.63%.

Fair enough, I know you were skeptical of the quick move to DOW 9000, how do you feel about 10,000. BTW I took a chance on Ford near it’s lows at $3.00, do I cash out, or hang in there for the longer term. (2000 shares), and it is money I can risk.

204 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:29:20pm

re: #153 researchok

I stand corrected.

I was momentarily stunned by the numbers.

Join the club. :)

205 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:29:35pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you still wander fishermans wharf and just fill up on food stalls? I remember that as a kid (1970’s). There was an old man in Chinatown that taught me to eat with chop sticks. He looked like the old grey haired martial arts masters out of old karate movies.

206 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:30:14pm

re: #201 haakondahl

Why on earth would you post that link here?

And why on earth would I quote it? (D’OH!)

207 ladycatnip  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:30:14pm

#197 haakondahl

Let’s see what pops up.

Let us know the results - should be interesting.

208 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:30:20pm

So how many more polls will make the news over the next few months? More importantly, how many leaders will step forward to continuously denounce the morons exasperating emotions over a non-issue?

209 mfarmer1  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:30:21pm

re: #201 haakondahl

I just typed in some stupid nonsensical URL to make my point. I didn’t even think it was a “legit” website. Sorry about that.

210 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:30:25pm

re: #205 DaddyG

Can you still wander fishermans wharf and just fill up on food stalls? I remember that as a kid (1970’s). There was an old man in Chinatown that taught me to eat with chop sticks. He looked like the old grey haired martial arts masters out of old karate movies.

Was a large Panda serving noodle dishes?

211 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:31:26pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

Real numbers: Ford’s year-over-year sales for July were up 1.6%. Last July was down 15% over the previous July. So things are still dismal, even at Ford.

Things are still horrid at GM and Chrysler, whose July figures are negative - but not as negative as last year’s numbers, which the Administration is pitching as “good.” Which means “bad,” I guess, considering that Chrysler had to double it’s incentives to $9000 - over half the price knocked off it’s qualifying vehicles - just to manage a loss that wasn’t as bad as expected. Apparently, they can only sell cars if they basically give them away, and then pay the new owner some more.

Interesting, too, that the only real success story - Ford - is also the only US car company that rejected government assistance and decided that maybe good management was a better solution.

212 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:31:29pm

re: #70 albusteve

meanwhile BO is tanking…there is an historic relationship

Actually he’s up again by a few points, he seems to follow the market.

213 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:31:43pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

I keep waiting for market corrections but haven’t seen much. I’m really surprised we’ve held on to all these gains. Looks like unemployment is going to be a problem for a while…


You have had so much cash sitting on the sidelines that some got impatient, and has gone back into the market based on very little good news.

I’m looking for a pull back of 5% in the near term. I see not enough good news out there to support these prices.

214 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:31:47pm

re: #209 mfarmer1

I just typed in some stupid nonsensical URL to make my point. I didn’t even think it was a “legit” website. Sorry about that.

Hahahahahahahahahaha… snark bites back.

There is no website so assinine that someone hasn’t posted it.

(Sorry to laugh at your expense but that was darn funny.)

215 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:31:57pm

re: #203 avanti

Fair enough, I know you were skeptical of the quick move to DOW 9000, how do you feel about 10,000. BTW I took a chance on Ford near it’s lows at $3.00, do I cash out, or hang in there for the longer term. (2000 shares), and it is money I can risk.

Don’t brag about how rich you are, your taxes are about to go up.

216 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:32:03pm

re: #205 DaddyG

Can you still wander fishermans wharf and just fill up on food stalls? I remember that as a kid (1970’s). There was an old man in Chinatown that taught me to eat with chop sticks. He looked like the old grey haired martial arts masters out of old karate movies.

I got my first first chop sticks out of a box of Cheeri Ho’s…but I think it was a Trix because you actually had to spear each nouget

217 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:32:04pm

So far there are six of us in my Facebook group “Are there a million GOPers who think the “birth certificate” story is crap?” And I’m not even a registered Republican.

218 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:32:06pm

re: #212 avanti

Actually he’s up again by a few points, he seems to follow the market.

linky?

219 vxbush  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:32:13pm

re: #210 Creeping Eruption

Was a large Panda serving noodle dishes?

Watch out for the Wushe finger hold.

220 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:32:29pm

re: #210 Creeping Eruption

Was a large Panda serving noodle dishes?

Nope - but my moms mascara ran in the rain.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:32:37pm

re: #205 DaddyG

Can you still wander fishermans wharf and just fill up on food stalls? I remember that as a kid (1970’s). There was an old man in Chinatown that taught me to eat with chop sticks. He looked like the old grey haired martial arts masters out of old karate movies.

You can certainly get shrimp and such, down by Alioto’s. Oh, and CE, check out the Italian places in North Beach—if you and your better half REALLY like garlic, try the Stinking Rose, but I warn you, you’ll have garlic coming out of your pores for twenty-four hours. I’ll leave recommendations to folks who know that side of town better than I do. And if you’re at all interested in church history, or Renaissance art, check out the Shrine of St. Francis while you’re there.

222 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:32:44pm

re: #212 avanti

Actually he’s up again by a few points, he seems to follow the market.

wrong

223 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:33:12pm

re: #166 ladycatnip

I just spoke with a long-time conservative friend yesterday and found out she’s a Troofer AND a Nirther. I’ve known her for over 30 years and always found her to be a reasonable, thinking person. I tried to talk with her but to no avail. She believes the Twin Towers both fell from controlled demolition and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile. She believes Obama is NOT an American, and also spoke of the Illuminati and the Builderberg conspiracy.

I’m confounded and upset.

Its obvious that the Pentaverate’s master plan is still working fine even with the loss of Col Sanders.

224 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:33:36pm

re: #203 avanti

Fair enough, I know you were skeptical of the quick move to DOW 9000, how do you feel about 10,000. BTW I took a chance on Ford near it’s lows at $3.00, do I cash out, or hang in there for the longer term. (2000 shares), and it is money I can risk.


I’m looking for apull back.

I’d also take half my money off the table with Ford. How much higher do you really think it can go?

The art of investing in the market is you have to know when to take your profits and head for the the door.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:33:37pm

re: #217 Cato the Elder

So far there are six of us in my Facebook group “Are there a million GOPers who think the “birth certificate” story is crap?” And I’m not even a registered Republican.

I’m a registered Democrat, so I can’t really help, but good luck!

226 mfarmer1  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:33:59pm

re: #214 DaddyG

I laugh at my expense all the time. No problemo. Now I just might go see what’s there after I first make sure my anti-virus protection is updated.

227 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:34:12pm

re: #217 Cato the Elder

So far there are six of us in my Facebook group “Are there a million GOPers who think the “birth certificate” story is crap?” And I’m not even a registered Republican.

Well, I’d join except I don’t do social networking sites.

228 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:34:30pm

re: #224 3 wood

I’m looking for apull back.

I’d also take half my money off the table with Ford. How much higher do you really think it can go?

The art of investing in the market is you have to know when to take your profits and head for the the door.

somebody should write a song…

229 jill e  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:34:31pm

According to a 2007 Rasmussen poll:

Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.

230 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:34:37pm

re: #211 SixDegrees

Real numbers: Ford’s year-over-year sales for July were up 1.6%. Last July was down 15% over the previous July. So things are still dismal, even at Ford.

Things are still horrid at GM and Chrysler, whose July figures are negative - but not as negative as last year’s numbers, which the Administration is pitching as “good.” Which means “bad,” I guess, considering that Chrysler had to double it’s incentives to $9000 - over half the price knocked off it’s qualifying vehicles - just to manage a loss that wasn’t as bad as expected. Apparently, they can only sell cars if they basically give them away, and then pay the new owner some more.

Interesting, too, that the only real success story - Ford - is also the only US car company that rejected government assistance and decided that maybe good management was a better solution.

That’s what I suspected, I couldn’t find numbers, good, you did. And, even if Ford did benefits some from Clash for Clunkers, I would still have to see how well Ford was doing during a normal month when the economy was good.

When the economy is tanking, a good month could always be a month that a CFO would consider tragic at any other time.

So, saying Ford had the best month in a year, or whatever, is not saying anything. Better than what?

231 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:35:44pm

re: #212 avanti

interesting how he didn’t follow the market when the Dow-Jones was somewhere around 6,000…

232 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:35:54pm

re: #220 DaddyG

Nope - but my moms mascara ran in the rain.

Someone left the cake out in the rain.

233 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:36:32pm

re: #232 midwestgak

Someone left the cake out in the rain.

I don’t think that I can take it

234 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:36:58pm

re: #217 Cato the Elder

That makes two.

235 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:37:20pm

re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not true. Zero told me unemployment wouldn’t go over 8%. I know, ‘cause he told me.
//

Now see how easy it is to knock Obama with the absolute truth. I won’t even try to spin out of that one.

236 JustABill  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:37:28pm

re: #203 avanti

Fair enough, I know you were skeptical of the quick move to DOW 9000, how do you feel about 10,000. BTW I took a chance on Ford near it’s lows at $3.00, do I cash out, or hang in there for the longer term. (2000 shares), and it is money I can risk.

You should sell now and donate both the profits and the original investment to the government. You have $6k to invest, you must be rich and are not paying your fair share./

237 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:37:29pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

You can certainly get shrimp and such, down by Alioto’s. Oh, and CE, check out the Italian places in North Beach—if you and your better half REALLY like garlic, try the Stinking Rose, but I warn you, you’ll have garlic coming out of your pores for twenty-four hours. I’ll leave recommendations to folks who know that side of town better than I do. And if you’re at all interested in church history, or Renaissance art, check out the Shrine of St. Francis while you’re there.

Ate at the Stinking Rose last time I was there. Loved it. Thanks for the suggestions. I will be on my own during the days, so I will definitely check out the shrine. Thanks. If you think of anything else “must see” or “must eat” please do not hesitate to share.

238 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:39:12pm

re: #215 Alouette

Don’t brag about how rich you are, your taxes are about to go up.

If I get rich, I may have to switch sides. :) I’m still a couple of hundred thousand from the top tax bracket.

239 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:39:24pm

re: #209 mfarmer1

I just typed in some stupid nonsensical URL to make my point. I didn’t even think it was a “legit” website. Sorry about that.

And I didn’t even click it! Are we sitting in the same Starbucks, pretending to be 1,000’s of miles apart?

240 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:39:31pm

re: #233 albusteve

I don’t think that I can take it

I know I didn’t make it.

241 JustABill  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:39:55pm

re: #236 JustABill

You should sell now and donate both the profits and the original investment to the government. You have $6k to invest, you must be rich and are not paying your fair share./

Scratch that, you should give the shares directly to the government and help them take over the one car company that has resisted their diabolical scheme, I mean turned down their fair and generous offer.

242 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:40:38pm

re: #238 avanti

If I get rich, I may have to switch sides. :) I’m still a couple of hundred thousand from the top tax bracket.

that’s funny…you have no princiiple and admit it…or are you looking for some stroke?…what a fungi!

243 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:40:47pm
244 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:41:04pm

re: #229 jill e

According to a 2007 Rasmussen poll:

Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.

Jeez Louise.

245 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:41:34pm

re: #240 midwestgak

I know I didn’t make it.

it would take too long to bake it

246 ladycatnip  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:41:35pm

#212 avanti

Actually he’s up again by a few points, he seems to follow the market.

Pew poll says otherwise.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:41:55pm

re: #237 Creeping Eruption

Ate at the Stinking Rose last time I was there. Loved it. Thanks for the suggestions. I will be on my own during the days, so I will definitely check out the shrine. Thanks. If you think of anything else “must see” or “must eat” please do not hesitate to share.

Will do. Sorry for the scattershot approach.

248 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:42:09pm

re: #246 ladycatnip

#212 avanti

Pew poll says otherwise.

Pew stinks/

249 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:42:14pm

re: #232 midwestgak

re: #233 albusteve


re: #240 midwestgak

Youtube Video
250 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:42:38pm

re: #217 Cato the Elder

So far there are six of us in my Facebook group “Are there a million GOPers who think the “birth certificate” story is crap?” And I’m not even a registered Republican.

No link to join!

251 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:42:47pm

re: #156 SixDegrees

I just said much the same thing. It’s going to be a rocky month, I think.

I see the dollar is doing pretty poorly at the moment.

Dollar Drops to Lowest Level Since Weeks After Lehman Collapsed

Have any predictions on what to expect in the next few months vis a vis the $?

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:42:57pm

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

I think that what people have to take from the Nirth & Troof (sounds like a specialty store, doesn’t it?)

Sounds like a business on Diagon Alley.

253 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:43:04pm

re: #212 avanti

Actually he’s up again by a few points, he seems to follow the market.

Did you find a link to that poll yet?

254 HoosierHoops  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:43:06pm

Hiya Lizards! Just when you think you’ve seen it all in sports you get surprised. Denny Hamlin won the NASCAR race today…I just his grandma passed last night…
Upon getting out of the car they ask him how he felt or something..
He mumbled something about his mother and broke down in tears…One of the most moving victory circles I have ever seen… It was dead silent…Just tears and hugs..Amazing scene…

255 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:43:06pm

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

I think that what people have to take from the Nirth & Troof (sounds like a specialty store, doesn’t it?) phenomenon is that the very concept of objective, verifiable truth has taken a serious beating over the past decade or two, in all segments of society.

Mere physical evidence—mere objective, verifiable fact—is counted as less than “feelings”; the desire for what one wishes to be true overrides the mundane reality of what actually is true.

This phenomenon was always present, but it has burgeoned out of control. Once might argue that it has been helped along by the endless hall of mirrors that is the Internet; but it has also been fertilized by decades of education that relies upon feelings and self-esteem rather than facts and rules.

I regret I have just one upding to give.

256 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:43:41pm

re: #245 albusteve

it would take too long to bake it

I’ll never have that recipe again. Oh no, oh no, no, no, oh no.

257 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:43:44pm

so I ask again…what does all the nirthism, kookitis mean?…does the GOP want their votes or not?…will they make a difference at the polls next year?…I think so

258 vxbush  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:43:57pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds like a business on Diagon Alley.

Or a dinner entree.

259 shmuli  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:44:05pm

Hey, Jimmah, thanks for the stats. Appreciated.

No, I am not always posting, but am nearly always here.

sattv4u2 - Yeah, could use a nice bourbon about now.

Seems pretty obvious that if, as Ziggy says, PPP are Dems, that there is much to know before calling people idiots. No need to be born in the U.S. to be a citizen. We only know that PPP found nearly 70% of those they polled (whoever the hell they were) who thought he was born in another country, at sea or in a place which was not part of the U.S. at the time of his birth. Pollsters read comments before asking questions. We do not know what was said before whatever question was asked.

I am the first to doubt the value of universal suffrage, but I am also the first to understand that most people have jobs, kids, hobbies and interests which do NOT include the details of the birthplace of “THE ONE”. I have some education in statistics, so I apologize for reserving judgment before knowing the facts.

260 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:44:17pm

One other thing to consider about the market.

As interest rates climb (and they are), that means you will be able to get a very good rate of return in fixed income instruments as opposed to taking a risk in the stock market. That will start becoming more and more attractive to aging baby boomers in or nearing retirement. That will tend to serve as a drain of capital out of the stock market as rates climb.

261 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:44:17pm

re: #249 Cannadian Club Akbar

no…not gonna do it

262 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:44:17pm

re: #251 Pianobuff

I see the dollar is doing pretty poorly at the moment.

Dollar Drops to Lowest Level Since Weeks After Lehman Collapsed

Have any predictions on what to expect in the next few months vis a vis the $?

It seems like the Obama Magic Numbers don’t work outside of the United States.

263 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:44:24pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

Jeez Louise.

Flashback to 1997…

Poll: U.S. hiding knowledge of aliens

June 15, 1997
Web posted at: 12:00 p.m. EDT

(CNN) — Nearly 50 years since an alleged UFO was sighted at Roswell, New Mexico, a new CNN/Time poll released Sunday shows that 80 percent of Americans think the government is hiding knowledge of the existence of extraterrestrial life forms.

Coming up next. The ghost poll.

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:45:30pm

re: #261 albusteve

no…not gonna do it

C’mon, ya know ya wanna…

265 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:45:37pm

re: #260 3 wood


When can we expect to see that? Interest rates are crap right now, to put it charitably…

266 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:45:49pm

re: #254 HoosierHoops

Hiya Lizards! Just when you think you’ve seen it all in sports you get surprised. Denny Hamlin won the NASCAR race today…I just his grandma passed last night…
Upon getting out of the car they ask him how he felt or something..
He mumbled something about his mother and broke down in tears…One of the most moving victory circles I have ever seen… It was dead silent…Just tears and hugs..Amazing scene…

I wish I could have seen it. Sounds like the night Bre[n]t Favres Dad died and he threw for 400 yards and 4 TD’s.

267 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:45:53pm

re: #238 avanti

If I get rich, I may have to switch sides. :) I’m still a couple of hundred thousand from the top tax bracket.

It takes a good man to admit that he is a selfish opportunist.

268 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:45:57pm

re: #260 3 wood

One other thing to consider about the market.

As interest rates climb (and they are), that means you will be able to get a very good rate of return in fixed income instruments as opposed to taking a risk in the stock market. That will start becoming more and more attractive to aging baby boomers in or nearing retirement. That will tend to serve as a drain of capital out of the stock market as rates climb.

Can you take a look at #251?

I’d appreciate your take on the situation.

269 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:46:14pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist Sigh. SF was one of my favorite placed to visit as a kid. I once fell asleep in my Dad’s arms waiting for a table at Aliotos. I was 8 and we had just flown in from Chicago. Good memories. The Bouillabaisse was worth waking up for.

270 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:46:16pm

re: #251 Pianobuff

Have any predictions on what to expect in the next few months vis a vis the $?

The dollar will continue to depreciate as we continue to deficit spend. That will also make oil more expensive.

271 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:46:29pm

re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar

C’mon, ya know ya wanna…

MOM!…

272 jill e  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:46:35pm

CBS News (2002):

Despite the rumors of Elvis sightings over the past 25 years, just 7% of the public believes Elvis is still alive - while 9% of his fans believe in a living Elvis. Throughout the 1990s similar numbers of Americans have thought it possible Elvis Presley was still alive. In 1997, 5% thought it was possible, and in 1992, 8% did.

Interestingly, those under age 30, the group least likely to be Elvis fans, are more likely than any other age group to believe that Elvis Presley may not really be dead. 11% of these young Americans say it is possible that “The King” lives on.

273 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:47:00pm

re: #237 Creeping Eruption

Try Scoma’s on the wharf CE. A little pricey but the fish is to die for.

274 KansasMom  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:47:10pm

re: #166 ladycatnip

I just spoke with a long-time conservative friend yesterday and found out she’s a Troofer AND a Nirther. I’ve known her for over 30 years and always found her to be a reasonable, thinking person. I tried to talk with her but to no avail. She believes the Twin Towers both fell from controlled demolition and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile. She believes Obama is NOT an American, and also spoke of the Illuminati and the Builderberg conspiracy.

I’m confounded and upset.

My husband went to a tea party a while back and was given a DVD about the Builderberg conspiracy. It was hysterical…unintentionally of course, and we laughed our way through it. Kinda like watching Borat, only afterwards you realize it isn’t a parody and the joke is ruined.

275 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:47:26pm

re: #231 Fenway_Nation

interesting how he didn’t follow the market when the Dow-Jones was somewhere around 6,000…

I did, and posted here that I was getting back in. Many, (not Wood) suggested it was headed to 3500, but I’ve had a nice ride. I got it, just on hope and change, silly I know, but I got lucky.

276 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:47:42pm

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

I think that what people have to take from the Nirth & Troof (sounds like a specialty store, doesn’t it?) …

I think their catalog came in today’s mail.

277 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:48:12pm

Gallup 2005 poll…

21% believe in witches.

24% believe astrology (the position of stars and planets) can affect peoples lives.

[Link: www.gallup.com…]

278 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:48:14pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

It takes a good man to admit that he is a selfish opportunist.

spit…not even funny imo…it’s all about him

279 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:48:41pm

re: #253 Walter L. Newton

Did you find a link to that poll yet?

Sorry Walter, beer break.

Gallup..

280 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:48:47pm

re: #260 3 wood

One other thing to consider about the market.

As interest rates climb (and they are), that means you will be able to get a very good rate of return in fixed income instruments as opposed to taking a risk in the stock market. That will start becoming more and more attractive to aging baby boomers in or nearing retirement. That will tend to serve as a drain of capital out of the stock market as rates climb.

Hi 3w, I’m curious — what do you think about gold as an investment during a period of inflation?

281 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:49:05pm

re: #278 albusteve

spit…not even funny imo…it’s all about him

Did do you think I was trying to be funny?

282 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:49:11pm

re: #259 shmuli

We only know that PPP found nearly 70% of those they polled (whoever the hell they were) who thought he was born in another country It’s disengenuous to say that the poll shows “70% say ,,,” 27% of that 70% responded DID NOT KNOW

That means they come down on NIETHER side, but you (for your own purposes) attribute those 27% to the NO, HE WASN”T BORN HERE side. I could then just as easily count them on the YES, HE WAS BORN HERE SIDE making THAT number 60% instead of 32%


LIES
DAMN LIES
STATISTICS
POLLS

283 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:49:18pm

re: #250 haakondahl

Worked for me because I had a Facebook page.

284 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:50:06pm

re: #265 Fenway_Nation

When can we expect to see that? Interest rates are crap right now, to put it charitably…

As soon as unemployment stops dropping and folks have more discretionary income and start spending money again.

285 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:50:24pm

The latest telephone poll taken by the California Governor’s office asked whether people think illegal immigration is a serious problem:

29% of respondents answered: ‘Yes, it is a serious problem.’

71% of respondents answered: ‘No es una problema seriosa.’

286 ladycatnip  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:50:27pm

#243 buzzsawmonkey

I think that what people have to take from the Nirth & Troof (sounds like a specialty store, doesn’t it?) phenomenon is that the very concept of objective, verifiable truth has taken a serious beating over the past decade or two, in all segments of society.

Mere physical evidence—mere objective, verifiable fact—is counted as less than “feelings”; the desire for what one wishes to be true overrides the mundane reality of what actually is true.

This phenomenon was always present, but it has burgeoned out of control. Once might argue that it has been helped along by the endless hall of mirrors that is the Internet; but it has also been fertilized by decades of education that relies upon feelings and self-esteem rather than facts and rules.

Absolutely agree. I think most feelings-based people wouldn’t know a rational thought if it smacked them in the face.

287 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:50:29pm

re: #281 Walter L. Newton

Did do you think I was trying to be funny?

no, he was

288 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:50:51pm

re: #279 avanti

Sorry Walter, beer break.

Gallup..

Funny, last time Gallup had a poll showing Obama tanking, you had all sorts of reasons that Gallup is not an accurate poll. Change your mind now? (don’t answer, it rhetoric, I know the answer).

289 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:51:29pm

re: #273 turn

Try Scoma’s on the wharf CE. A little pricey but the fish is to die for.

The kids and I pulled some trout and bluegill out of some local GA creeks this weekend. A little butter and flour in a pan and we had a bit of heaven on a plate. We supplemented what we caught with a little frozen white fish from the store. There was no comparison. It made me wonder how long the storebought stuff sits out before they freeze it.

290 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:52:03pm

re: #251 Pianobuff

I see the dollar is doing pretty poorly at the moment.

Dollar Drops to Lowest Level Since Weeks After Lehman Collapsed

Have any predictions on what to expect in the next few months vis a vis the $?

Nor really; I don’t follow it much. But interest rates are extremely low, making treasuries a less than stellar investment except for their quality. And frankly, a weak dollar is a good thing in a recession - it makes domestic goods more attractive relative to imported products, and makes our exports more attractive overseas. But given that interest rates can’t go any lower, I’d expect it to drift around it’s present level until a recovery is well underway and rates need to be raised.

But frankly, this isn’t an area that I pay much attention to. 3 Wood probably has a more coherent answer.

291 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:52:13pm

re: #288 Walter L. Newton

Funny, last time Gallup had a poll showing Obama tanking, you had all sorts of reasons that Gallup is not an accurate poll. Change your mind now? (don’t answer, it rhetoric, I know the answer).

The paint starting to peel on that fence any minute.

292 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:52:29pm

re: #224 3 wood

I’m looking for apull back.

I’d also take half my money off the table with Ford. How much higher do you really think it can go?

The art of investing in the market is you have to know when to take your profits and head for the the door.

Tell you what, I’ll hang in for a bit, pull half off a $10.00, although I get your advice. If I get a run at the Blackjack table, I’ll get up and leave.

293 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:52:44pm

June 16, 2005
Three in Four Americans Believe in Paranormal
Little change from similar results in 2001

PRINCETON, NJ — About three in four Americans profess at least one paranormal belief, according to a recent Gallup survey. The most popular is extrasensory perception (ESP), mentioned by 41%, followed closely by belief in haunted houses (37%). The full list of items includes:

Extrasensory perception, or ESP - 41%

That houses can be haunted - 37%

Ghosts/that spirits of dead people can come back in certain places/situations - 32%

Telepathy/communication between minds without using traditional senses - 31%

Clairvoyance/the power of the mind to know the past and predict the future - 26%

Astrology, or that the position of the stars and planets can affect people’s lives - 25%

That people can communicate mentally with someone who has died - 21%
Witches - 21%

Reincarnation, that is, the rebirth of the soul in a new body after death - 20%

Channeling/allowing a ‘spirit-being’ to temporarily assume control of body - 9%

294 JustABill  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:52:48pm

I have only been to SF once, and that was some time ago, but I seem to remember getting a pretty good pizza at a place called Pizzatte 211.

295 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:53:03pm

Nap time

296 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:53:21pm

Lemme know if this takes you to the poll:

A first attempt at posting the Facebook Birther/Truther Correlation Poll.

I am pretty sure that you have to be a Facebook member for that link to work, and I would think that you have to be logged in as well. Really, I have no idea. I remember with fondness a 25MHz 386 running DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11, XTPro and Wordstar 3.3.

That thing booted in fifteen seconds and backspaced so fast that you had to know what you were doing or risk the whole page.

So this newfangled technology gets right up my crack.

297 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:53:33pm

re: #277 Gus 802

Gallup 2005 poll…

24% believe astrology (the position of stars and planets) can affect peoples lives.

[Link: www.gallup.com…]

It certainly has affected Cthulhu, so there must be something to it

298 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:53:45pm

re: #289 DaddyG

Good for you DG, nothing like fresh caught trout. Last time we caught trout camping I floured them in Bisquick and fried them in bacon grease. yum!

299 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:54:02pm

re: #242 albusteve

that’s funny…you have no princiiple and admit it…or are you looking for some stroke?…what a fungi!

It was a joke, but you knew that. I switched for Reagan, give me another.

300 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:54:10pm

re: #297 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It certainly has affected Cthulhu, so there must be something to it

Did he fly in on a DC-9?

//

301 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:54:39pm

re: #280 turn

Hi 3w, I’m curious — what do you think about gold as an investment during a period of inflation?

I’d hold some but only as part of a diversified portfolio. Gold has a lot of costs associated with it that the commercials don;t talk about. Gold prices tend to be very volatile, don;t watch it on a day to day basis or you will go nuts.

Everytime gold gets cheap I pick up a few gold coins and put them away.

302 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:54:50pm

re: #296 haakondahl

Lemme know if this takes you to the poll:

A first attempt at posting the Facebook Birther/Truther Correlation Poll.

I am pretty sure that you have to be a Facebook member for that link to work, and I would think that you have to be logged in as well. Really, I have no idea. I remember with fondness a 25MHz 386 running DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11, XTPro and Wordstar 3.3.

That thing booted in fifteen seconds and backspaced so fast that you had to know what you were doing or risk the whole page.

So this newfangled technology gets right up my crack.

It worked for me and I voted.

303 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:54:51pm

re: #295 pingjockey

Nap time

ahhh, I just woke up

304 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:55:16pm

re: #300 Gus 802

Did he fly in on a DC-9?

//

Nope. A Lovercraft./

305 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:55:30pm

re: #303 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ahhh, I just woke up

Welcome, Rumplestilskin!

306 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:55:45pm

re: #283 Idle Drifter

Worked for me because I had a Facebook page.

Somehow I got it working. Like fuel injection—I don’t know what’s going on in there, and I don’t care. Just let me think of it as eight tiny carburetors, and we’ll all be fine.

307 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:56:35pm

re: #298 turn

Good for you DG, nothing like fresh caught trout. Last time we caught trout camping I floured them in Bisquick and fried them in bacon grease. yum!

always carried Bisquick laced with salt and pepper, lots of bacon, pre diced taters, onions and peppers…yep

308 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:56:47pm
309 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:56:58pm

re: #301 3 wood

I’d hold some but only as part of a diversified portfolio. Gold has a lot of costs associated with it that the commercials don;t talk about. Gold prices tend to be very volatile, don;t watch it on a day to day basis or you will go nuts.

Everytime gold gets cheap I pick up a few gold coins and put them away.

Thanks for the (good) free advice 3w. As long as turn is getting free advice what fixed income investments would you recommend?

310 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:56:59pm

re: #293 Gus 802

June 16, 2005
Three in Four Americans Believe in Paranormal
Little change from similar results in 2001

I am proud to say that I score ZERO on that list.

311 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:57:16pm

re: #299 avanti

It was a joke, but you knew that. I switched for Reagan, give me another.

a $3 bill

312 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:57:17pm

Well, Lizard Clan, for the seventh time in twelve years I need to pack up our household in anticipation of the next adventure in our nomadic travels. Many thanks for your kind thoughts and prayers regarding my husband’s work. It looks like he’s going to have his pick of some very interesting projects.

Until the dust settles, take good care of yourselves and each other. I’ll leave you with:

A Thing of Beauty

{LGF}

313 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:57:27pm

re: #301 3 wood

What would be a realistic definition of ‘cheap’ these days? I know it got as far down as the high $600s last year because of all the various finacnial institutions de-leverageing from precious metals to raise cash.

314 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:57:27pm

re: #302 Idle Drifter

It worked for me and I voted.

Sweet!

315 Render  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:57:44pm

Virginia does seem to have more then its fair share of lunatics who claim to be on the right.

For example, GoV is there, so are Jared Taylor and Marcus Epstein among others.

Just one wrong phone call and the poll is skewed beyond any hope of redemption…

ACME
POLLS,
R

316 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:57:46pm

re: #308 buzzsawmonkey

Cthulhu has acolytes
Who sacrifice to him
They want to bring him back to life
To make Earth life more grim

Hello, great Cthulhu
In R’lyeh where you sleep
Some day you will rejoin us from
Your slumber in the deep

/sung to the theme song from “The Monkeys”

317 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:57:50pm

re: #290 SixDegrees

I don’t follow it much. But interest rates are extremely low, making treasuries a less than stellar investment except for their quality.


The treasury is pulling the short term part of the yield curve artificially low right now. They can’t keep that up forever. Once they let the curve go, watch it jump. You don’t want to be holding treasuries when that happens.

318 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:57:56pm

re: #307 albusteve

always carried Bisquick laced with salt and pepper, lots of bacon, pre diced taters, onions and peppers…yep

I see you know how to camp, dang food always tastes better camping.

319 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:57:57pm

re: #310 haakondahl

I am proud to say that I score ZERO on that list.

Same here.

320 JustABill  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:58:26pm

re: #312 scottishbuzzsaw

Well, Lizard Clan, for the seventh time in twelve years I need to pack up our household in anticipation of the next adventure in our nomadic travels. Many thanks for your kind thoughts and prayers regarding my husband’s work. It looks like he’s going to have his pick of some very interesting projects.

Until the dust settles, take good care of yourselves and each other. I’ll leave you with:

A Thing of Beauty

{LGF}

double rainbows are great.

321 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:58:46pm

re: #309 turn

Thanks for the (good) free advice 3w. As long as turn is getting free advice what fixed income investments would you recommend?

Baseball update. Cubs up 1 to 0 over the Marlins. Bottom of the 5th, Marlins at bat. Two outs.

322 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:58:59pm
323 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:59:07pm

re: #321 midwestgak

Baseball update. Cubs up 1 to 0 over the Marlins. Bottom of the 5th, Marlins at bat. Two outs.

Who’s on first?

324 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:59:15pm

re: #293 Gus 802

How many answered “If there is a steady paycheck involved, I’ll believe anything you want?”

325 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:59:16pm

re: #29 Fenway_Nation

Hmm…wonder who benefits the most from nirtherism.

Wonder who would benefit from a nice, big, fat, juicy distraction from things suddenly not going their way on socialized healthcare…or stepping in it vis-a-vis a suburban Boston police department…or rising unemployment numbers…or belligerent regimes pursuing WMDs…

So it’s all the Dem’s doing? And the liberal media that feeds them?
Sorry, not this time.

326 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 1:59:28pm

re: #318 turn

I see you know how to camp, dang food always tastes better camping.

my great grampa was Danial Boone

327 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:00:01pm

re: #292 avanti

Tell you what, I’ll hang in for a bit, pull half off a $10.00, although I get your advice. If I get a run at the Blackjack table, I’ll get up and leave.

Well, you got a 183% profit on the table at the moment.

Good luck.

328 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:00:18pm

re: #246 ladycatnip

#212 avanti

Pew poll says otherwise.

Pew has him at 54%, Gallup is 56%, close enough with margin of error. I was not commenting on loss of white voters.

Pew.

329 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:01:04pm

re: #323 Creeping Eruption

Who’s on first?

Who is on first base.

330 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:01:09pm

re: #313 Fenway_Nation

What would be a realistic definition of ‘cheap’ these days? I know it got as far down as the high $600s last year because of all the various finacnial institutions de-leverageing from precious metals to raise cash.

If it gets into the $800’s again I’ll be buying.

331 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:01:18pm

re: #325 doubter4444

Right…because this is a fresh and new happening that hasn’t been going on since 0bama announced his canidacy…

You’ll forgive me if I question the timing…

332 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:01:40pm

Bacon grease - the cooking fat of the gods.

333 Render  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:01:53pm

ot…

Charles, did you change the “new comments” and “show links” buttons? They look slightly different, font-wise.

Did anybody else notice? Or did I miss a tech thread?

PEERS
INTO
PIPE,
R

334 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:02:19pm

re: #333 Render

Saw it too.

335 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:02:24pm

re: #332 DaddyG

Bacon grease - the cooking fat of the gods.

pig…God’s gift to men

336 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:03:05pm

re: #321 midwestgak

Baseball update. Cubs up 1 to 0 over the Marlins. Bottom of the 5th, Marlins at bat. Two outs.

I have no idea what hit er, I was talking finance and she hits me with a baseball post. wft? How did she slide that one in?

337 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:03:06pm

re: #330 3 wood

OK…that was my (realistic) threshold. Would be nice if it could get back to the $700s, tho’…

338 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:03:09pm

re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How many answered “If there is a steady paycheck involved, I’ll believe anything you want?”

I don’t know but I can image a few. I still can’t believe that they’re still using “psychics” for missing persons from time to time and pay them huge sums. And they-don’t-work. It’s like dowsing only at a higher pay scale.

339 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:03:09pm

re: #310 haakondahl

I am proud to say that I score ZERO on that list.

re: #319 Gus 802

Same here.


I knew youz guyz were gonna say that.
/

340 quiet man  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:03:41pm

After reading this I think we are so lucky that we are not global warming nuts..

341 Render  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:03:50pm

re: #334 Creeping Eruption

Whew…

KNOCK
THAT
DOTTLE,
R

342 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:04:24pm

re: #335 albusteve

pig…God’s gift to men

Ballistics and BLTs - who says there isn’t a loving diety.

343 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:04:25pm

re: #339 Cannadian Club Akbar

I knew youz guyz were gonna say that.
/

Aha! Cannadian Club Akbar the Clairvoyant! It’s true, it’s real!

//

344 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:04:42pm

re: #326 albusteve

my great grampa was Danial Boone

I loved that series as a kid. Daniel boon was man, a big man …

345 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:04:49pm

re: #336 turn

I have no idea what hit er, I was talking finance and she hits me with a baseball post. wft? How did she slide that one in?

I didn’t strike out.

346 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:04:54pm

re: #288 Walter L. Newton

Funny, last time Gallup had a poll showing Obama tanking, you had all sorts of reasons that Gallup is not an accurate poll. Change your mind now? (don’t answer, it rhetoric, I know the answer).

Walter, your memory is faulty, it was Rasmussen I was commenting on. I’ve only said Gallup may trend a point or two higher. If you’d like, find a post where I said Gallup was polling under the others. I’ve said many times the raw numbers can be off a bit, watch the trends.

347 Flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:05:43pm

re: #309 turn

The sweet spot is in mid-grade corporate bonds. The prices on these were beaten to a pulp over the last year and a half out of fear. the High grade stuff has a lot of buyers right now, that leaves room for a contrarian seeking value in the middle market.

348 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:05:59pm

Beck is on, and going to talk about the Feds taking over your computers. Knocking bloggers as we speak.

349 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:06:00pm

re: #290 SixDegrees

And frankly, a weak dollar is a good thing in a recession - it makes domestic goods more attractive relative to imported products, and makes our exports more attractive overseas.

A problem with that latter point; sure, a weak dollar helps our producers export more in volume… but they’re getting “paid less” for what they export, so to speak. In effect, the rest of the world gets to take the fruits of our labor, and pay for it with Monopoly money (I exaggerate a little for effect, of course). And to the extent domestic producers need to buy imported raw materials or components with weak dollars, they suffer in comparison to foreign competitors.

350 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:06:01pm

More actual numbers, year-over-year July auto sales:

Ford: +2%
Toyota: -11%
Chrysler: -9%
GM: -19%

Ford - the only US company to stay the hell away from government “help” - is the only domestic winner here. Chrysler managed to do better than GM - at the cost of forking over $4500 per car of it’s own money in addition to the government’s $4500, slashing prices of it’s vehicles by more than half yet still managing to lose 9%.

GM…well, GM sucked, big time, especially considering that these figures are comparing with last year’s July period, which was utterly dismal.

WOO HOO! The Recovery is working!

Er…not.

351 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:06:25pm

re: #346 avanti

. I’ve said many times the raw numbers can be off a bit, watch the trends.

LOL. Can’t trust the numbers until they have been “cooked.” Aint that the truth.

352 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:06:37pm

re: #345 midwestgak

I didn’t strike out.

No you’re keeping them coming pretty fast, you must be having a ball.

353 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:07:42pm

re: #352 turn

No you’re keeping them coming pretty fast, you must be having a ball.

Walk me through that.

354 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:08:03pm

re: #346 avanti

Walter, your memory is faulty, it was Rasmussen I was commenting on. I’ve only said Gallup may trend a point or two higher. If you’d like, find a post where I said Gallup was polling under the others. I’ve said many times the raw numbers can be off a bit, watch the trends.

You stepped right into that. Rasmussen has Obama at 51% today. And, according to your own words above, Gallup trends a point or two above, making them right in line with Rasmussen.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

355 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:08:15pm

re: #347 Flyovercountry

The sweet spot is in mid-grade corporate bonds. The prices on these were beaten to a pulp over the last year and a half out of fear. the High grade stuff has a lot of buyers right now, that leaves room for a contrarian seeking value in the middle market.

Ok thanks. The MIL is a broker and I’ll ask her to give me a recommendation on mid-grade corporate bonds and report back.

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:08:31pm

re: #311 albusteve

a $3 bill

Reagan was gay? Reagan wasn’t legal tender? Huh?

357 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:08:48pm

re: #350 SixDegrees

Chrysler managed to do better than GM - at the cost of forking over $4500 per car of it’s own money in addition to the government’s $4500

I was hearing just that touted as a sign of “recovery” on NPR this morning. Hooray! Chrysler managed to sell more cars, by… um… eliminating their margin!

358 3 wood  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:09:01pm

With that, I offer a few comments for your consideration and then I will bid you good night, as I have places to go and things to do this evening.

A year ago today I took early retirement from my previous career , with no immediate prospects nor real clear idea of what I was going to do next.

I was fortunately blessed with several good job opportunities even as the economy was melting down, and now have a whole new career that I am very happy with, plus am starting my own business on the side as well.

The point is this, regardless of who is in the White House and how crazy the Speaker of the House might be, this is still the United States, the land of opportunity and the home of the brave. For those of you who are unemployed or underemployed, keep going and pitching. There is something out there for you. No one can take away your talent, your drive, and your creativity. Keep your chin up and keep moving forward, you can do it.

359 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:09:02pm

re: #355 turn

Ok thanks. The MIL is a broker and I’ll ask her to give me a recommendation on mid-grade corporate bonds and report back.

You’ll know that you are not in her good graces if she recommends Enron bonds.

360 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #348 avanti

Beck is on, and going to talk about the Feds taking over your computers. Knocking bloggers as we speak.

Somebody ought to knock that dick head.

361 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:09:10pm

OK, I have a “vision.” My life will get very bad if I don’t get back to work.

Hasta later.

362 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #349 Occasional Reader

A problem with that latter point; sure, a weak dollar helps our producers export more in volume… but they’re getting “paid less” for what they export, so to speak. In effect, the rest of the world gets to take the fruits of our labor, and pay for it with Monopoly money (I exaggerate a little for effect, of course). And to the extent domestic producers need to buy imported raw materials or components with weak dollars, they suffer in comparison to foreign competitors.

All true, but volume is important. Also, if managed correctly, it can help build long-term market share.

But you’re correct, it isn’t a perfect solution.

363 shmuli  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:09:57pm

RE # 282

Typo. My editing was interrupted so I put the numbers wrong.

Of course you are right. Meant to say that some 70% think he was either not born in U.S. (wherever that is supposed to be) or are not sure where he was born.

Sometimes the phone rings and I forget to re-edit.

Excuse.

364 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:10:05pm

re: #348 avanti

Beck is on, and going to talk about the Feds taking over your computers. Knocking bloggers as we speak.

re: #354 Walter L. Newton

You stepped right into that. Rasmussen has Obama at 51% today. And, according to your own words above, Gallup trends a point or two above, making them right in line with Rasmussen.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]


Still, the trend is up, my original point.

365 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:10:15pm
366 John Neverbend  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:10:40pm

re: #285 Pianobuff


71% of respondents answered: ‘No es una problema seriosa.’

{Pedant mode on} It’s “No es un problema serio.” {Pedant mode off}

367 quiet man  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:10:46pm

re: #365 buzzsawmonkey
Are they still fighting about who will be on the *up* side??

368 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:11:00pm
369 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:11:19pm

re: #353 midwestgak

Walk me through that.

I’m balking at that because I don’t think I threw you that big of a curve.

370 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:11:29pm

Gotta go. Be well.

371 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:11:33pm

re: #364 avanti

Still, the trend is up, my original point.

My point. Rasmussen is correct, according to your logic.

372 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:11:44pm

re: #30 pink freud

I consider the possible agenda. As we all know, polls can be made to look at the pollster wishes. This particular author of this blog, Taegan Goddard, has as contributions in 2008, three: “ACTBLUE’, “KOPPLIN (D), FOR CONGRESS” and JOHN EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT”.

I can’t be the only one seeing this emerging push to paint conservatives as loonies. Of course there are those who are, but I am not seeing in my own life a reality that in any way corresponds to this hysterical-sounding meme being pushed by liberals.

See Above comment, and break out the tinfoil.

You know one of the things that really bug me is not taking responsibility for actions. This is not a liberal double twist conspiracy, it’s not Soros’s evil unseen hand working behind the scenes, it’s kooks.
Conservative kooks that don’t want Obama as president and are too chicken shit to say out right that they want a change at the top.
A coup.
They consider him a usurper, and they (for which I’ll give them that, as it’s borderline sedition) can’t (yet) bring themselves to say it.
It’s getting there however, and look at Free Republic that wondered (a “thought experiment” at FR is a delicious irony) how many it would take to storm the White House and Congress.
Charles pointed it out on this blog last week.
So, are the Democrats exploiting the situation?
Hell yes. As the Republicans would and will given a chance as, for better or worse, that’s politics.
But it’s not a liberal invention.

373 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:11:50pm

re: #357 Occasional Reader

I was hearing just that touted as a sign of “recovery” on NPR this morning. Hooray! Chrysler managed to sell more cars, by… um… eliminating their margin!

Worse than that - they eliminated their margin, and then tossed more money into a burning trash barrel, to boot. They are losing huge amounts of money on every car they sell right now, in a desperate attempt to hang on to even a tiny amount of market share. And even after throwing all that money in the face of consumers, their sales are still down 9%, compared to the shitty July of 2008.

374 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:12:16pm

re: #357 Occasional Reader

I was hearing just that touted as a sign of “recovery” on NPR this morning. Hooray! Chrysler managed to sell more cars, by… um… eliminating their margin!

Shades of what we did in the homebuilding biz. Sure, the market was tanking but we were still selling…at a loss, with tons of $$ giveaways.

I’d also like to know if all these rush to Cash for Clunkers folks are really “qualified,” or are the sales being rammed through to make a false market scene (again woefully reminiscent of the mortgage fiasco).

375 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:12:41pm

I can understand the vast majority of Americans, but I cannot understand why thinking people would buy a GM or Chrysler product these days, rather than a Ford. Maybe that’s easy for me to say, as I have always been a Ford man, but I loved my 1967 LeMans, and my Step-Dad’s 1967 Fury III and pumpkin orange Dodge pickup—I’ve never been a “hater” for domestic cars.

But we now have one company which has conducted itself as grown-ups, and two which are behaving like children; one of them for the second time!

I’m going to hit the wife up with a plan to buy a new car, and it WILL be a Ford.

376 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:12:44pm

Beck is crowing that the government is revising the page to not infer that the government is taking your computer (or couch I guess), and continuing his BS, that’s he’s saving the country by his rant.

377 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:12:55pm

re: #359 Creeping Eruption

You’ll know that you are not in her good graces if she recommends Enron bonds.

hahaha

378 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:13:08pm

re: #333 Render

Charles, did you change the “new comments” and “show links” buttons? They look slightly different, font-wise.

Yes, the buttons have a new style - not really important enough for a front page post, but I like ‘em!

IE users don’t see the nice smooth rounded corners, though…

379 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:13:21pm

re: #359 Creeping Eruption

Hey have you ever eaten at Scoma’s?

380 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:13:23pm

re: #353 midwestgak

Walk me through that.

No Comment.

381 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:13:34pm

re: #367 quiet man

Are they still fighting about who will be on the *up* side??

Could we just not even discuss whether Nancy Pelosi will be on top? Please?

382 caution  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:14:10pm

I rarely comment here, but I’m just amazed at what’s been happening.

Not too long ago, folks were talking about XX% of democrats who thought 9-11 was an inside job of some sort. Now weren’t talking about XX% of republicans think the POTUS wasn’t eligible for the office.

This is proof that the constant splintering and division carried out in the name of political gain has made a real mess of things.

Consensus isn’t sexy, but sometime we need it. With numbers spreading to the fringe on so many issues (and non issues), it seems we’re on a road to nowhere.

383 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:14:30pm

re: #379 turn

Hey have you ever eaten at Scoma’s?

Nope. Another “must eat?”

384 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:14:44pm

re: #358 3 wood

The point is this, regardless of who is in the White House and how crazy the Speaker of the House might be, this is still the United States

“For now.”

-Darth Obama

//sarc

//I think

385 spudly  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:14:53pm

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo

ODS

Maybe they figure that since BDS worked (sorta), they’d go bat shit crazy, too?

:)

386 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:15:06pm

re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist

Reagan was gay? Reagan wasn’t legal tender? Huh?


re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist

Reagan was gay? Reagan wasn’t legal tender? Huh?

no comment

387 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:15:32pm

re: #372 doubter4444

Free Republic wondered how many it would take to storm the White House and Congress.

Those idiots would be better off wondering how much 5.56 is n the area.

388 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:15:54pm

re: #376 avanti

Beck is crowing that the government is revising the page to not infer imply that the government is taking your computer (or couch I guess), and continuing his BS, that’s he’s saving the country by his rant.

389 quiet man  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:16:04pm

re: #381 SixDegrees
Okay…but I need to point out another fear in this her on top thing..a Botox fleshslide from repeated handling

390 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:16:14pm

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

My point. Rasmussen is correct, according to your logic.

The trend is up on both, but the numbers vary a bit, much ado about a few points.

391 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:16:31pm

re: #378 Charles

Yes, the buttons have a new style - not really important enough for a front page post, but I like ‘em!

IE users don’t see the nice smooth rounded corners, though…

Does Stinky have any fix at hand for this problem of the buttons jumping around when we try to click on ‘em? (May be an IE thing. It’s really annoying.)

392 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:16:33pm

re: #364 avanti

Still, the trend is up, my original point.

The 3 day trend is up - the 6 month trend is in the toilet.

393 TedStriker  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:16:52pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

Beck is crowing that the government is revising the page to not infer imply that the government is taking your computer (or couch I guess), and continuing his BS, that’s he’s saving the country by his rant.

Beck can just go FOAD…

394 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:16:57pm

re: #374 Russkilitlover

Shades of what we did in the homebuilding biz. Sure, the market was tanking but we were still selling…at a loss, with tons of $$ giveaways.

I’d also like to know if all these rush to Cash for Clunkers folks are really “qualified,” or are the sales being rammed through to make a false market scene (again woefully reminiscent of the mortgage fiasco).

This occurred to me, as well. CFC is perpetuating exactly the same rabid, borrow-and-spend mentality that led to the real estate bubble and the collapse of the credit markets in the first place. It’s unsustainable, and lies near the root of our current problems.

395 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:17:19pm

re: #389 quiet man

Okay…but I need to point out another fear in this her on top thing..a Botox fleshslide from repeated handling

I visual I could have done without

396 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:17:45pm

re: #387 haakondahl

Those idiots would be better off wondering how much 5.56 is n the area.

No. Let them find out the hard way.

397 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:17:54pm

re: #378 Charles

Oh IE doesn’t show them. That explains why I kept staring at them to see if they were different, which they didn’t appear to be.

398 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:18:00pm

re: #373 SixDegrees

They are losing huge amounts of money on every car they sell right now

… but they make up for it in volume!

/an oldie, but a goodie

399 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:18:18pm
400 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:18:42pm

re: #383 Creeping Eruption

Nope. Another “must eat?”

IMO yes, you must try it. Order fish (doh)

401 quiet man  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:18:53pm

re: #395 Creeping Eruption
whatever doesnt kill you can still scar you for life.

402 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:19:22pm

re: #392 DaddyG

The 3 day trend is up - the 6 month trend is in the toilet.

BO is poison…people are losing confidence, which they never should have had in the first place…this obsession with his popularity completely misses the point…avanti is a perfect example of the disconnect into the abstract world of liberalism

403 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:19:48pm

re: #393 talon_262

Beck can just go FOAD…

He certainly can; but that’s still no excuse for confusing “infer” and “imply”.

404 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:20:00pm

I was having an incredible amount of trouble with jumping screen elements, deaf buttons and ridiculous load times in IE. So glad I’m back on Safari on my Crackintosh.

405 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:20:15pm

re: #398 Occasional Reader

… but they make up for it in volume!

/an oldie, but a goodie

It’s a lot like the Underpants Gnomes from South Park, who were stealing underpants and had a plan on how to use them:

Phase 1: Collect Underpants
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit!

406 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:21:23pm

re: #396 Creeping Eruption

No. Let them find out the hard way.

Well, there’s that.

407 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:21:41pm

re: #405 SixDegrees

The Gnomes were also contracted to come up with Obama’s energy plan. But you knew that.

408 Wide Right  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:21:54pm

re: #126 Creeping Eruption

Amici’s Pizza
2200 Lombard St
San Francisco
Best Pizza I’ve ever had. Nice place, too.

409 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:22:02pm
410 quiet man  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:22:20pm

re: #403 Occasional Reader
His popularity has everything to do with it..People did not vote for Obama’s position, strategies, or plans..they voted for him because they liked him..he is the rock star president, emphasis rock star.


popularity is all he has with the truly disconnected.

411 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:22:28pm

re: #400 turn

IMO yes, you must try it. Order fish (doh)

Any good bars?

(Please do not refer me to the Blue Oyster Bar either)

412 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:22:42pm

You know, I haven’t visited Slashdot in well over a year. The BDS was suffocating. I wonder how the ODS is doing over there? I just don’t wonder enough to go look.

413 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:22:44pm

re: #407 Occasional Reader

The Gnomes were also contracted to come up with Obama’s energy plan. But you knew that.

Image: Obama-Pics_02.jpg

414 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:23:01pm

re: #408 Wide Right

Amici’s Pizza
2200 Lombard St
San Francisco
Best Pizza I’ve ever had. Nice place, too.

OMG, look at that cute little dude. What’s his name?

415 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:23:07pm

re: #360 turn

Somebody ought to knock that dick head.

He’s now slamming the MSM for not covering his wonderful conspiracy, and spinning a new conspirancy. Now saying the dealers work from home and Uncle Sam will spy on your family ! More: Now Obama is testing the waters with the CFC program before rolling out a bigger spy program. Thank God we have Beck to protect us from evil bloggers that attack him. ///

416 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:23:27pm

re: #411 Creeping Eruption

Any good bars?

(Please do not refer me to the Blue Oyster Bar either)

Hey, that’s my Cult!

Good thing that Imaginos wasn’t on the Paranormal list upthread.

417 LionofDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:23:32pm

Well, according to all those smart people on the left, isn’t dissent the highest form of Patriotism? Remember all those idiots who said that? If one dissent’s from Obama’s claim that he was born here, isn’t that, according to lefties, the highest form of patriotism?

When people claim dissent is the highest form of patriotism, ask them how many Congressional Medals of Honor or Purple Hearts were awarded for dissent…

418 quiet man  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:23:46pm

re: #415 avanti

Hiding behind Beck wont save ya..

/grin

419 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:24:01pm

re: #392 DaddyG

The 3 day trend is up - the 6 month trend is in the toilet.

Yep, he’s down from those 60’s and will likely not see them again.

420 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:24:23pm

re: #418 quiet man

Hiding behind Beck wont save ya..

/grin

haha!…that says alot right there

421 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:24:24pm

re: #391 Occasional Reader

Does Stinky have any fix at hand for this problem of the buttons jumping around when we try to click on ‘em? (May be an IE thing. It’s really annoying.)

Which version of IE?

422 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:24:51pm

re: #411 Creeping Eruption

Any good bars?

(Please do not refer me to the Blue Oyster Bar either)


Sorry, I don’t hit the bar scene much in SF. I could tell you the story about how my BIL cracked his car up and ended up in a gay bar calling the police though. ha

423 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:25:08pm

re: #387 haakondahl

Those idiots would be better off wondering how much 5.56 is n the area.

Also, 5.7 (USSS likes the FN P90), and 45 acp (USSS also likes the H&K UMP… yep, I notice these things!)

424 Render  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:25:18pm

re: #397 turn

IE shows them (I’m using IE8), but the corners are razor sharp. Non-IE users get some soft cuddly corners, and lacrosse helmets…Like them confounded Macpeeps.

TASKS
ME,
R

425 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:25:19pm

Huh…one of the railways has an open position for…a barge operator.

426 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:25:27pm

re: #364 avanti

Still, the trend is up, my original point.

Come on, were you really referring to a three-day “trend” as a “the trend”?

There’s a line between arguing and shilling.

427 quiet man  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:25:39pm

re: #417 LionofDixon
Dissent against Republicans only..and just you wait..I suspect a community worker bade of honor coming soon..in the shape of an acorn with a globule for each GOP senetor they have trashed for sexual or other means

428 Irish Rose  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:25:42pm

The GOP is doomed.

429 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:26:04pm

re: #421 Charles

Which version of IE?

I was on IE8, which was worse than 7, which also had problems.

430 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:26:08pm

re: #421 Charles

Which version of IE?

The shitty one.

Yeah, that really narrows it down, I know.

(7, actually)

431 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:26:18pm
432 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:26:20pm

re: #422 turn

Sorry, I don’t hit the bar scene much in SF. I could tell you the story about how my BIL cracked his car up and ended up in a gay bar calling the police though. ha

Hence my request not to refer me to the Blue Oyster Bar. Thanks anyway though. I’ll probably do what I did last time - found a nice “Packer bar” (as in Green Bay)

433 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:26:35pm

re: #418 quiet man

Hiding behind Beck wont save ya..

/grin

I dunno he’s a pretty big target. /

434 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:26:42pm

re: #425 Fenway_Nation

Huh…one of the railways has an open position for…a barge operator.

What about barge-toter? Or bale-lifter?

435 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:26:48pm

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

[Link: www.gardengnomeworld.com…]

Somehow, putting a miniature concrete black man on my lawn doesn’t seem like a good idea…

436 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:27:01pm

re: #422 turn

Sorry, I don’t hit the bar scene much in SF. I could tell you the story about how my BIL cracked his car up and ended up in a gay bar calling the police though. ha

Well, I’m sure somebody offered to give him a jump. Friendly folks out there.

437 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:27:08pm

clowns to the left of me jokers to the right

NO BAMA!

438 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:27:11pm

re: #415 avanti

I just can’t see why this guy is so popular. He is a nutcase, it hurts me to watch him. Sriously I would rather watch Chrissy, I’m not kidding.

439 theheat  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:27:34pm

So, it’s Monday, and I decided to take a break from working my ass off, check on the news, and I see this is not exactly the kind of news I was hoping to find.

With all the other outright bullshit Obama is trying to pass, and the spineless path he’s apparently chosen to deal with the big bad hostile world out there, I see the Virginian Republicans are still clinging to their fucked up perception of Obama’s citizenship.

Virginia Republicans: 68% still putting all their eggs in the Stupid Basket.

I’d be willing to bet the majority of that 68% are also creationists, because it’s obvious they refuse to evolve or employ the brains they believe God gave them.

Solutions, people. It’s about solutions. Ranting Obama is not a citizen is not a solution. Besides, it’s a fact he is a citizen, so get the fuck over it, already. Put all the stupid away, put on your thinking caps, and beat Obama’s plans with better plans. Stop with the idiocy. Stop spinning your wheels. Stop wasting time with bullshit that doesn’t matter.

Now, I’m going back to my shitty job… Maybe, when I return, I’ll see this was all a hoax, and the majority of Virginia Republicans aren’t as stupid as they insist on demonstrating.

440 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:27:48pm

re: #422 turn

Sorry, I don’t hit the bar scene much in SF. I could tell you the story about how my BIL cracked his car up and ended up in a gay bar calling the police though. ha

So he was on the phone explaining how “I just got rear-ended for the very first time!”, and suddenly noticed that the music had stopped and everyone in the bar was looking at him…

441 quiet man  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:28:00pm

re: #435 SixDegrees

They like to be called little concrete black men now…

dont even ask about the Gnome movement and their Gnay agenda

442 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:28:04pm

re: #426 haakondahl

Come on, were you really referring to a three-day “trend” as a “the trend”?

There’s a line between arguing and shilling.

Watch the market, when it rallies, wait a day or two and he trends up, it tanks and it trends down. The trend has been down for the six months, but I never expected his numbers to stay high after the honeymoon.

443 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:28:08pm
444 kansas  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:28:17pm

OT
From a few places:
Senate Dems Vow to Pass Health Bill
Frustrated with bipartisan talks, Dems promise to push health care bill through Senate — with or without GOP

But wait, I thought they needed Republicans. Obviously everyone figured out the large Dem majorities in the House and Senate, and apparently the Dems have given up trying to hoist the Repubs on this petard.

445 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:28:37pm

re: #421 Charles

Which version of IE?

I have the same problem both here at work (multiple desktops) as well as at home. How do I know which version of IE I have/

(work puters run off of Windows XP,,, home is VISTA

446 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:28:46pm

re: #440 Occasional Reader

So he was on the phone explaining how “I just got rear-ended for the very first time!”, and suddenly noticed that the music had stopped and everyone in the bar was looking at him…

“YOU GO GIRL!”

447 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:29:00pm

re: #435 SixDegrees

Somehow, putting a miniature concrete black man on my lawn doesn’t seem like a good idea…

But you are ok with putting a short white man in a pointy hat in your garden? Racist! /

448 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:29:13pm

re: #434 Occasional Reader

What about barge-toter? Or bale-lifter?

How’s about a gets-a-little-drunk-er?

449 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:29:22pm

BBL, need to tint the front windows of the CFC bonus car.

450 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:29:36pm

re: #74 Jimmah

It jives completely with the explosion of nirthery we’ve all seen on the web and in the media, right across the right wing blogging world, radio pundits and on cable TV. It strikes me as somewhat surreal in this context that anyone could at this point try to paint it’s mainstreaming among the right as a fiction of the left.

Good for you.
I really see that argument as the next step in the nirther train wreck, and it alone is perhaps the MOST damaging of all, as it paints all Republicans and Conservatives as bullies that when confronted reality, cry that it was all a set up.
So then Democrats and moderates will just look and roll their eyes. and who can blame them.
It’s about taking Responsibility.
It’s about owning up to reality and what the real underlying issues are that drive this conspiracy.
It make me crazy to see post after post (not necessarily here that much) decrying that it’s the libs doing this, or the MSM not letting the narrative out, or Soros or bla bla bla… everything but a good hard look at what our Representatives are doing and what we let them get away with for decades, (R) or (D).

451 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:29:51pm

re: #435 SixDegrees

Somehow, putting a miniature concrete black man on my lawn doesn’t seem like a good idea…

This little fella will look great on your mantle!

452 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:30:14pm

re: #424 Render

Yes, I see them but they didn’t look any different to me because I”m using IE. I kept looking for a difference without reading the entire post.

453 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:30:18pm
454 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:30:21pm

re: #444 kansas

OT
From a few places:
Senate Dems Vow to Pass Health Bill
Frustrated with bipartisan talks, Dems promise to push health care bill through Senate — with or without GOP

But wait, I thought they needed Republicans. Obviously everyone figured out the large Dem majorities in the House and Senate, and apparently the Dems have given up trying to hoist the Repubs on this petard.

Quick on the uptake, them dems are!

455 Render  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:30:26pm

re: #445 sattv4u2

Tool bar (top left of your screen) - Help - About Internet Exploder

ROAD
MAP,
R

456 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:30:58pm

re: #443 buzzsawmonkey

I still think that Osama Bin Laden garden gnomes would be fun. Hell, the man looks like a garden gnome.


Comes in standard molded plastique.

457 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:30:58pm

re: #455 Render

Tool bar (top left of your screen) - Help - About Internet Exploder

ROAD
MAP,
R

tanks

458 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:31:07pm

WITH 8 1/2 years of B.D.S. do you really expect elephants to view donks in a completely rational manor?

remember democrats said it was alright if you don’t like a president to not view him as everybody’s president.

459 quiet man  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:31:15pm

re: #454 Taqyia2Me
They need the GOP so a few of them can vote against it in the attempt to fool the voters of their state

460 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:31:16pm

re: #432 Creeping Eruption

Hence my request not to refer me to the Blue Oyster Bar. Thanks anyway though. I’ll probably do what I did last time - found a nice “Packer bar” (as in Green Bay)

btw, the Packers are my favorite team CE. Can’t stand Oakland.

461 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:31:22pm

re: #452 turn

Yes, I see them but they didn’t look any different to me because I”m using IE. I kept looking for a difference without reading the entire post.

Charles took off the pointy edges so people would stop poking themselves, and snagging their clothing. Very nice if you ask me.

462 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:31:38pm

re: #449 avanti

BBL, need to tint the front windows of the CFC bonus car.

You should check if there’s some sort of taxpayer-subsidized “pimp my ride” program.

463 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:32:17pm

I’m actually now starting to wonder which planet Biden was on, too…

464 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:32:27pm

OT breaking news.


Melbourne Australia, police launch counter-terrorism raids.

[this is getting too close to home]

465 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:32:45pm

re: #458 yochanan

WITH 8 1/2 years of B.D.S. do you really expect elephants to view donks in a completely rational manor?

remember democrats said it was alright if you don’t like a president to not view him as everybody’s president.

Yes, but that was crap when they said it, and it’s crap now.

I may not agree with the man, but believe me, Obama is my President.

466 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:32:49pm

re: #421 Charles

re: #445 sattv4u2

I have the same problem both here at work (multiple desktops) as well as at home. How do I know which version of IE I have/

(work puters run off of Windows XP,,, home is VISTA

CHARLES ,, thansk to render, I have discovered I have IE 8

467 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:32:50pm

re: #436 haakondahl

Well, I’m sure somebody offered to give him a jump. Friendly folks out there.

It depends on what you mean by jump .. oh they offered to start something that’s for sure. It wasn’t the car. ha.

468 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:34:01pm

re: #466 sattv4u2

re: #445 sattv4u2

CHARLES ,, thansk to render, I have discovered I have IE 8

Not for long.

469 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:34:25pm

re: #464 A Kiwi Infidel

Yikes.

I hope they got ‘em all.

470 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:34:45pm

re: #468 haakondahl

Not for long.

I’m getting a promotion!?!?!?

UNICORNS !

471 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:34:59pm

Wow. I don’t know if I’m still jet-lagged, or if the DC pollen is catching up to me with a vengeance, but damn, I’m tired.

472 turn  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:35:03pm

re: #440 Occasional Reader

So he was on the phone explaining how “I just got rear-ended for the very first time!”, and suddenly noticed that the music had stopped and everyone in the bar was looking at him…

LOL! Something like that, let’s just say his car wasn’t the only thing being hit on that night. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American.

473 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:35:04pm

re: #465 haakondahl

i am in a wait and see position if he screws Israel as bad as I think he will then i will have decided.

474 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:35:04pm

The GOP should identify and run real fiscal conservatives who keep the social issues to themselves - then their constituents wouldn’t be latching on to any crazy theory they can find in order to discredit the president who is mortgaging their future.

475 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:35:37pm

re: #331 Fenway_Nation

Right…because this is a fresh and new happening that hasn’t been going on since 0bama announced his canidacy…

You’ll forgive me if I question the timing…

Timing is everything!
I’m notsaying that it’s not being used by the Democrats as much as possible, but it’s not coming from there is my point.

476 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:35:54pm

re: #471 Occasional Reader

Wow. I don’t know if I’m still jet-lagged, or if the DC pollen is catching up to me with a vengeance, but damn, I’m tired.

I’m tired too
In my case I discovered it’s the advancing calendrer that got me!

477 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:36:23pm

re: #474 DaddyG

The GOP should identify and run real fiscal conservatives who keep the social issues to themselves - then their constituents wouldn’t be latching on to any crazy theory they can find in order to discredit the president who is mortgaging their future.

those very people don’t vote

478 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:36:52pm
479 gander  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:37:06pm

It seems like (some of) the R’s got a hate-on for O like the D’s had for W. Lotta’ good it does anybody.

480 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:37:07pm

Here is the real smoking gun:

Didn’t Obama claim in 2008, on foreign soil no less, that he was a “citizen of the world?” Doesn’t that act as a renunciation of this U.S. citizenship? He can’t have dual citizenship. He must have known that by claiming to be a COTW he could not simultaneously hold U.S. citizenship. Thus, he renounced his U.S. citizenship before all the world while on foreign soil. Case closed…

481 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:37:31pm

re: #460 turn

btw, the Packers are my favorite team CE. Can’t stand Oakland.

I’m indifferent to all of ‘em!

Woo-hoo! Go Indifference! We’re Number None!

482 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:37:32pm

re: #464 A Kiwi Infidel

OT breaking news.


Melbourne Australia, police launch counter-terrorism raids.

[this is getting too close to home]

It also said the cell had been inspired by the Somalia-based terrorist movement al-Shabaab, which had connections with al-Qaeda

Same group that’s been recruiting Somalis out of the Minneapolis-St. Paul area…

483 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:37:39pm

re: #469 Occasional Reader

Yikes.

I hope they got ‘em all.

So do I, Melbourne is a cheap weekend holiday for Kiwis, with return airfares for $200 - $300 on special discounts. It would really rip ya ration book if the restaurant you were having a quiet meal in suddenly vapourised.

484 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:38:38pm

re: #387 haakondahl

Those idiots would be better off wondering how much 5.56 is n the area.

lol!
(and I’m not even sure what that means)

485 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:38:51pm

re: #480 LionOfDixon

Missing sarc tag?

486 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:38:59pm

re: #480 LionOfDixon

Here is the real smoking gun:

Didn’t Obama claim in 2008, on foreign soil no less, that he was a “citizen of the world?” Doesn’t that act as a renunciation of this U.S. citizenship? He can’t have dual citizenship. He must have known that by claiming to be a COTW he could not simultaneously hold U.S. citizenship. Thus, he renounced his U.S. citizenship before all the world while on foreign soil. Case closed…

whatever…Keith Richards for president ‘12!

487 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:39:32pm

re: #482 Fenway_Nation

Same group that’s been recruiting Somalis out of the Minneapolis-St. Paul area…


It all starts in those “places of Peace and love” the mosques.

488 theheat  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:39:59pm

re: #453 taxfreekiller

Yes, I have an old car, and I drive the SOB. That’s my car. That’s my daily driver. It’s paid for, been paid for, for years. I think my average mpg is 22 or something not super exciting. Then again, I don’t drive much.

No car payments, the air conditioning just quit working, but that’s my damned car. Be damned if I’m going to get sucked into a (yet another) program where they just pledged another 2 billion dollars so I can enjoy a few years of car payments, particularly in such a shitty economy.

Mr. Heat, on the other hand, is frothing at the mouth, convincing himself he needs a new car. Without this gd program, he’d still be happy to drive what he already has (and already paid off).

Don’t get me started!

489 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:40:38pm

re: #486 albusteve

whatever…Keith Richards for president ‘12!


Keith Richards is a pom

490 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:40:59pm

re: #489 A Kiwi Infidel

Keith Richards is a pom

what’s a pom?

491 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:41:23pm
492 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:41:40pm

re: #485 Creeping Eruption

correct..

493 John Neverbend  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:41:51pm

re: #490 albusteve

what’s a pom?

Aussie for a Brit.

494 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:41:58pm

re: #489 A Kiwi Infidel

Keith Richards is a pom

You need to stop worrying and learn to love the pom.

495 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:42:42pm
496 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:43:04pm

re: #493 John Neverbend

Aussie for a Brit.

ooohh!…pretty clever!

497 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:43:09pm

re: #490 albusteve

what’s a pom?


It is an antipodean colloquial reference to people from the “mother country”

498 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:43:24pm

oz unlike canukistan isn’t all that fond of mother england.

499 John Neverbend  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:43:28pm

re: #496 albusteve

ooohh!…pretty clever!

Who? The Aussies or the Brits?

500 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:43:54pm

re: #473 yochanan

i am in a wait and see position if he screws Israel as bad as I think he will then i will have decided.

Write your Congressional delegation. Or e-mail: Congressional E-Mail Directory Call the switchboard: (202)224-3121.

Wait and See is Plan to Fail.

501 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:44:23pm

re: #497 A Kiwi Infidel

how do people of the flightless bird and fuzzy green fruit view the mother country?

502 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:44:24pm

re: #498 yochanan

oz unlike canukistan isn’t all that fond of mother england.

Are they still cheesed over that Gallipoli unpleasantness?

503 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:44:43pm

re: #497 A Kiwi Infidel

It is an antipodean colloquial reference to people from the “mother country”

Suprising. I thought git would be used more.

504 Bobblehead  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:45:04pm

re: #489 A Kiwi Infidel

Keith Richards is a pom

Where does that term come from?

505 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:45:15pm

re: #480 LionOfDixon

Here is the real smoking gun:

Didn’t Obama claim in 2008, on foreign soil no less, that he was a “citizen of the world?” Doesn’t that act as a renunciation of this U.S. citizenship? He can’t have dual citizenship. He must have known that by claiming to be a COTW he could not simultaneously hold U.S. citizenship. Thus, he renounced his U.S. citizenship before all the world while on foreign soil. Case closed…

Don’t confuse every puff of gas from an orifice with a “smoking gun”.

506 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:45:20pm

re: #500 haakondahl

my congresscritter is a leftist donk about as close to being a socialist and still be in the donk party

507 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:45:23pm

re: #465 haakondahl

Yes, but that was crap when they said it, and it’s crap now.

I may not agree with the man, but believe me, Obama is my President.

Glad you said that, it’s my feeling exactly.

508 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:45:24pm

re: #486 albusteve

I think it would be very bad to have an arrogant, known hard-drug user as President. Richards on the other hand, might be preferable to Obama.

509 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:45:32pm

re: #493 John Neverbend

Aussie for a Brit.


Put more succinctly than moi

510 Bobblehead  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:46:04pm

Never mind… saw explanation above

511 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:46:06pm

re: #485 Creeping Eruption

Missing sarc tag?

Let’s find out.

512 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:46:33pm

re: #511 haakondahl

Let’s find out.

See #492.

513 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:46:34pm

re: #499 John Neverbend

Who? The Aussies or the Brits?

sure…who cares?…is a pom derogatory?…that would make Richards an oppressed minority!…genius!

514 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:46:58pm

re: #502 Occasional Reader

Are they still cheesed over that Gallipoli unpleasantness?

Blackadder moment:

General and aide come in to look at a desk covered in dirt and grass:

Aide “And here is the land we captured today.”
General: “Very good, and what is the scale of this map?
Aide: “Map sir?”

515 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:47:25pm

re: #504 Bobblehead

Where does that term come from?

pom tree, he falls out of them

516 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:47:42pm

OT:

Thanks to the unknown Lizard who recommended The Singing Revolution (about Estonia’s grassroots independence fight) which I just watched last night. Excellent!

If I have misremembered, and it wasn’t recommended here, then oops.

517 John Neverbend  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:47:43pm

re: #503 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Suprising. I thought git would be used more.

It’s more likely to be used by Brits.

518 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:48:04pm

re: #501 yochanan

how do people of the flightless bird and fuzzy green fruit view the mother country?

Generally, not bad, except when they start whingeing

519 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:48:41pm

So Michael Yon is imbedded with a Pom Squad?

520 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:49:27pm

re: #472 turn

LOL! Something like that, let’s just say his car wasn’t the only thing being hit on that night. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American.

You live up there?
It’s one of my favorite places in the world.
I’m jealous, thought I’m trying to convince my Jersey bred wife to consider a move. (not likely, as getting to LA from NYC was already a stretch).
You by Cool?

521 restitutor orbis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:49:34pm

re: #20 avanti

Hopefully, a bunch of those polled don’t think Hawaii is part of the USA. Ask any Hawaiian how many tourists say “When I get back in the states” Let’s see how the Dems poll on the same question, but I don’t think it’ll approach those numbers. The fringe right has been successful in bull shitting the base.


Hell, I know Hawaii is a state, and I live there. But I still use the term back to the States. Why? Because it, in many ways, resembles a Third World country. And among the locals, it seems being a part of America is something to accept as an unpleasant reality. Oh, the “sins of Amerikkka” crowd really likes it here.
And as for polling, I wonder what numbers would be higher. Righties who believe Obama is a Kenyan, or lefties who believe a) Bush stole the election, or b) He brought down the WTC

522 Occasional Reader  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:49:42pm

Hasta luego.

523 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:50:17pm

right now my jury is still out on this issue, for me it clearly depends on what he does and I am worry about his screwing israel.

524 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:51:04pm

re: #519 eschew_obfuscation

So Michael Yon is imbedded with a Pom Squad?

yes, Pomeranians know more about pombs than anyone

525 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:51:10pm

re: #492 LionOfDixon

correct..

Happy. Very happy.

526 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:51:11pm

re: #519 eschew_obfuscation

So Michael Yon is imbedded with a Pom Squad?

Think of it as a Variety headline: “Yon ‘n Pom Bomb Khan.”

527 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:51:16pm

Jewel’s Lazy Turkey Curry (also works with chicken)
Makes 4 servings
¼ cup chopped onion
1 can cream of mushroom soup
¼ cup milk.
1 cup sour cream
½ teaspoon curry powder
1 tbspn butter
1 cup cubed turkey
Step 1: cook the onion in the butter.
Step 2: add the cream of mushroom soup and milk. Stir until smooth
Step 3: add the sour cream and curry powder.
Step 4: add turkey and heat. Serve over rice
note: keep stirring the mix as this can burn to the bottom of your pots rather easily

528 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:52:04pm

re: #526 calcajun

Think of it as a Variety headline: “Yon ‘n Pom Bomb Khan.”

groovy headline

529 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:52:42pm

re: #250 haakondahl

No link to join!

Hmm. If you’re a Facebook member, you should see a “Join Group” link in the right column toward the top. It’s an unrestricted group.

530 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:52:42pm

re: #519 eschew_obfuscation

So Michael Yon is imbedded with a Pom Squad?

Indeed. Pom is not really a derogatory term. As I said earlier, a quaint sort of reference to their insistence back in the old day of insisting on pompous ceremony in stifling heat, including full regalia, leading red faced discomfort, compared to a bright red pommegranate, shortened to “pom”

531 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:52:49pm

re: #521 restitutor orbis

Righties who believe Obama is a Kenyan, or lefties who believe a) Bush stole the election, or b) He brought down the WTC

Opposite sides of the same useless coin!

532 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:52:49pm

re: #480 LionOfDixon

Here is the real smoking gun:

Didn’t Obama claim in 2008, on foreign soil no less, that he was a “citizen of the world?” Doesn’t that act as a renunciation of this U.S. citizenship? He can’t have dual citizenship. He must have known that by claiming to be a COTW he could not simultaneously hold U.S. citizenship. Thus, he renounced his U.S. citizenship before all the world while on foreign soil. Case closed…

you forgot the / tag, I hope.

533 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:53:20pm

re: #527 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Jewel’s Lazy Turkey Curry (also works with chicken)
Makes 4 servings
¼ cup chopped onion
1 can cream of mushroom soup
¼ cup milk.
1 cup sour cream
½ teaspoon curry powder
1 tbspn butter
1 cup cubed turkey
Step 1: cook the onion in the butter.
Step 2: add the cream of mushroom soup and milk. Stir until smooth
Step 3: add the sour cream and curry powder.
Step 4: add turkey and heat. Serve over rice
note: keep stirring the mix as this can burn to the bottom of your pots rather easily

didja get that to Reine? She might want it for the cook book.

534 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:54:01pm

re: #194 medaura18586

OT: One of the funniest and most bizarre things I’ve read in a while: The Flat Earth Society.

[Link: www.lhup.edu…]

I clicked on your link. Charles Johnson, eh?

Oh, Charles K. Johnson.

535 John Neverbend  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:54:05pm

re: #514 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another Blackadder moment:

Blackadder: My instincts lead me to deduce that we are at last about to go over the top.

George: Great Scott sir, you mean the moment’s finally arrived for us to give Harry Hun a darned good British style thrashing, six of the best, trousers down?

Blackadder: If you mean, “Are we all going to get killed?” yes. Clearly, Field Marshal Haig is about to make yet another gargantuan effort to move his drinks cabinet six inches closer to Berlin.

536 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:54:13pm

Arab states warned off Israel deal

Palestinian leaders warned Arab states on Monday that any effort to normalise ties with Israel at the urging of President Barack Obama would deal a damaging blow to the quest for statehood.

The dispute over Israel’s role in the Middle East emerged as Fatah, the dominant faction in Palestinian politics, prepared to stage its first congress since a meeting in exile in 1989.

Exiles assembling for the meeting in the West Bank town of Bethlehem have demanded a robust stance against Israel, while activists within the Palestinian territories have sought to use the meeting as a launch pad for a more moderate approach to peace talks. Recovery of land and possessions lost in the 1948 war – known as the Nakba or catastrophe – ranks as an obsession for the exiles but is given a lower priority by their local counterparts.

“Normalisation of Israel’s ties with Arab countries before the occupation ends in the Palestinian areas is the last thing that the Palestinians should have to experience,” said Abu El-Izz Dajani, a former PLO ambassador who is running for a post in the Fatah leadership. “It is as dangerous as the Nakba, as dangerous as the 1967 seizure of the West Bank and Jerusalem.”

537 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:54:16pm

re: #529 Cato the Elder

I thought you were supposed to be quiet? When do you go on the strategic redeployment?

538 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:54:33pm

re: #530 A Kiwi Infidel

Indeed. Pom is not really a derogatory term. As I said earlier, a quaint sort of reference to their insistence back in the old day of insisting on pompous ceremony in stifling heat, including full regalia, leading red faced discomfort, compared to a bright red pommegranate, shortened to “pom”

Heh… I know a lot of military-style bagpipe bands that still do that!

Thanks for the explanation.

539 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:55:00pm

Six responses so far.

Obama a Citizen? 9/11 an inside job? Please choose the answer *closest* to your own POV.

President Obama is a CITIZEN, and the 9/11 attacks were carried out by AL-QAEDA ALONE.
5 (83.3%)

President Obama is a CITIZEN, and the 9/11 attacks were an INSIDE JOB.
1 (16.7%)

President Obama is NOT a citizen, and the 9/11 attacks were carried out by AL-QAEDA ALONE.
0 (0.0%)

President Obama is NOT a citizen, and the 9/11 attacks were an INSIDE JOB.
0 (0.0%)

540 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:55:41pm

re: #529 Cato the Elder

Hmm. If you’re a Facebook member, you should see a “Join Group” link in the right column toward the top. It’s an unrestricted group.

I got in. Forget how. That link wasn’t in the usual place, but a little sniffing around got it.

541 John Neverbend  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:55:53pm

re: #536 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Arab states warned off Israel deal

Well, that’s a great step forward towards normalization.
/

542 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:56:26pm

re: #535 John Neverbend

“Baldrick, your brain is like the four headed, man-eating haddock fish beast of Aberdeen”
“In what way? ”
“It doesn’t exist “

- Edmund & Baldrick

543 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:57:02pm
544 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:57:04pm

“Have you ever been to Wales, Baldrick?”
“No, but I’ve often thought I’d like to.”
“Well don’t, it’s a ghastly place. Huge gangs of tough sinewy men roam the valleys terrifying people with their close harmony singing. You need half a pint of phlegm in your throat just to pronounce the
placenames. Never ask for directions in Wales Baldrick, you’ll be washing spit out of your hair for a fortnight.”

- Edmund & Baldrick

545 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:57:04pm

re: #541 John Neverbend

Well, that’s a great step forward towards normalization.
/

Still reaping the cornucopia of good will from the Cairo speech obviously

546 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:57:10pm

re: #533 eschew_obfuscation

yeah…it’s on the update I sent to her

547 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:58:13pm

“It’s not dead yet” Hot Salsa
Serving Size : 1 Preparation Time :0:00
5 whole Habaneros — seeded
10 whole tomatillos — husked and rinsed
2 whole Vidalia onions — skinned
6 whole sweet red peppers — seeded
2 whole smoked Habaneros
3 whole chipolte peppers
1 Tablespoon cumin
2 ounces balsamic vinegar

Process ingredients in a blender individually in order listed until you reach the dried peppers and place in a non-reactive container. Place smoked habs and chipotles in blender and drain juice from mixture in bowl into the blender and process. Add to the mixture in the bowl. Add cumin and stir well.
Drizzle Balsamic vinegar over the top. Let marinate overnight. Best served warm

548 LionofDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:58:33pm

Sre: #532 doubter4444

See 492. Sarcasm and irony just don’t seem to have the same impact if you immediately have to explain it. Plus, some here seem to react automatically and accuse…

549 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:00:36pm

One can imagine Dinnerjacket giving this speech:

Right, good morning team. My name is Edmund Blackadder and I’m the new minister in charge of religious genocide. Now, if you play straight with me you’ll find me a considerate employer, but cross me and you’ll find that under this playful boyish exterior beats the heart of a ruthless sadistic maniac.


- Blackadder’s induction speech as Lord High Executioner

550 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:01:42pm

re: #547 Jewels (AKA Julian)

“It’s not dead yet” Hot Salsa
Serving Size : 1 Preparation Time :0:00
5 whole Habaneros — seeded
10 whole tomatillos — husked and rinsed
2 whole Vidalia onions — skinned
6 whole sweet red peppers — seeded
2 whole smoked Habaneros
3 whole chipolte peppers
1 Tablespoon cumin
2 ounces balsamic vinegar

Process ingredients in a blender individually in order listed until you reach the dried peppers and place in a non-reactive container. Place smoked habs and chipotles in blender and drain juice from mixture in bowl into the blender and process. Add to the mixture in the bowl. Add cumin and stir well.
Drizzle Balsamic vinegar over the top. Let marinate overnight. Best served warm

OK. This part:

Serving Size : 1 Preparation Time :0:00

That’s one serving?!? Then what about this part:

place in a non-reactive container.

Are you saying one’s stomach qualifies?

551 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:01:47pm

re: #544 calcajun


Love it!

“Do you have a first name Baldrick”
“Sodoff”
“What? Are you sure?”
“Well when I was kid I would run up to the other kids playing in the gutter and they would say ‘sodoff Baldrick’ so I guess that my first name”

552 John Neverbend  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:01:49pm

re: #542 calcajun

Blackadder contained some of the best comedy lines I’ve ever heard. If any Lizards haven’t seen it, you can find a few clips on Youtube. There were four series of which the best, in my opinion, were series 2 and 4 (the Elizabethan series and the first world war series), although series 1 and 3 were not without funny moments. There were also a few one-off episodes such as Blackadder’s Christmas Carol and The Cavalier Years.

553 shortshrift  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:02:03pm

re: #493 John Neverbend

Used to be pome (pommie), now pom.
Prisoner Of Mother England.

554 John Neverbend  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:02:56pm

re: #549 calcajun

One can imagine Dinnerjacket giving this speech:


- Blackadder’s induction speech as Lord High Executioner

Ah yes, that’s where he meets Mistress Ploppy and Ploppy the jailor who aren’t related!

555 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:03:49pm
556 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:05:02pm

re: #529 Cato the Elder

Hmm. If you’re a Facebook member, you should see a “Join Group” link in the right column toward the top. It’s an unrestricted group.

alright alright alright already.
I joined, and made a “wall” post on my FB page.
Me being me, I do wish your language was just a tad less inflammatory (idiots, hysteria - accurate, but just sort of demeaning) but - well, that’s just me.

557 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:05:21pm

re: #555 buzzsawmonkey

Practically every supposed acronym used to account for a slang term is wrong. Acronyms were not really common until the mid-20th century, and terms like “posh,” “cop,” and, yes, “pom” or “pommy” long predate their use.

THANK YOU. These brain-dead backsplanations always grate.

558 John Neverbend  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:05:35pm

re: #551 A Kiwi Infidel

Love it!

One more:

Elizabethan Blackadder to prostitute: Look, if I’d wanted a lecture on the rights of man, I’d have to gone to bed with Martin Luther.

559 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:05:53pm

re: #550 wrenchwench

some containers melt when you put highly spicy (read Acidic) peppers and Salsa’s in them. as to the preperation time…that was a goof on my part

560 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:06:05pm

re: #548 LionofDixon

S

See 492. Sarcasm and irony just don’t seem to have the same impact if you immediately have to explain it. Plus, some here seem to react automatically and accuse…

Damn, I hate working, it gets in the way of reading posts!
I figured you were, and thanks for the nice reply, instead of “Look at #492, jerk-weed” or similar.

561 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:06:33pm

re: #549 calcajun

Hey calcajun - ever since a few weeks ago when it occurred to me what your name probably means, I find myself opening up iTunes and playing Bruce Daigrepont’s “Disco et Fais Do Do” whenever I see you posting.

Just wanted to thank you for helping me rediscover a song I like a lot. Here are the full lyrics, in case you don’t know the tune.

562 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:07:15pm

This one is for BHO:

“In short, a German spy is giving away every one of our battle plans.”
“You look surprised, Blackadder.”
“I certainly am, sir. I didn’t realize we “had” any battle plans.”


- Cpt. Darling, Melchett and Edmund

563 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:07:37pm

re: #556 reine.de.tout

alright alright alright already.
I joined, and made a “wall” post on my FB page.
Me being me, I do wish your language was just a tad less inflammatory (idiots, hysteria - accurate, but just sort of demeaning) but - well, that’s just me.

I tried to phrase my FB Birther/Truther Poll in fairly neutral terms, as I am gathering information, not pushing it (in the quiz, that is).

564 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:08:15pm

President Obama is a CITIZEN, and the 9/11 attacks were carried out by AL-QAEDA ALONE.

even though that is true the only thing I see that I can agree with him on is his choice of small ball professional sports team.

565 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:08:44pm

re: #563 haakondahl

I tried to phrase my FB Birther/Truther Poll in fairly neutral terms, as I am gathering information, not pushing it (in the quiz, that is).

going to check it out.

566 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:08:46pm

re: #560 doubter4444

Thanks, jerk-weed!

// (I joke, I joke..)

I know what you mean about working…I’m thinking about putting in for LGF disability…

567 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:09:05pm

re: #558 John Neverbend

“If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do ?”
“Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area.”

- George & Edmund

568 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:09:17pm

Free Republic has posted to a downloadable Hawaii birth certificate form, together with an invitation for Freepers to show the “left” how easy it is to cobble up your own.

A day late and an idea short.

Besides, their link is to the current form, which is quite different from the genuine 1961 vintage article posted here last night.

569 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:09:39pm

re: #562 calcajun

This one is for BHO:


- Cpt. Darling, Melchett and Edmund

What ever happened to Steven Fry?

570 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:09:50pm

W*rk.

571 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:10:01pm

re: #561 Last Mohican

Thanks. Kinda fits— don’t feel really at home in either world.

572 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:10:05pm

re: #548 LionofDixon

S

See 492. Sarcasm and irony just don’t seem to have the same impact if you immediately have to explain it. Plus, some here seem to react automatically and accuse…

Well-written sarcasm needs neither tag nor explanation. Poorly-written sarcasm requires one or both.
Additionally, after our argument last night, I have a bit of a “atch” for bizarre opinions from you. I’m all about pouncing first and clearing it up later, because decent folks will get it all worked out, and the indecent can screw themselves.

573 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:10:12pm

re: #563 haakondahl

I tried to phrase my FB Birther/Truther Poll in fairly neutral terms, as I am gathering information, not pushing it (in the quiz, that is).

I’m kinda thinking that calling it the “birther/truther correlation poll” is gonna bias people to vote in favor of the sane options.

Not that it’s such a bad thing if you change a few minds that way.

574 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:10:24pm

PIMF “watch”

575 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:10:32pm

re: #333 Render

ot…

Charles, did you change the “new comments” and “show links” buttons? They look slightly different, font-wise.

Did anybody else notice? Or did I miss a tech thread?

PEERS
INTO
PIPE,
R

I noticed.

576 tveitskog  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:10:41pm

Obama makes it extremely hard to get any personal information from his past and the media really failed on this point. His words and actions are seldom the same. Does anyone have faith in Obama words that taxes will not be raised for any family making 250k and under? Here’s a copy (maybe from this blog) of some items thrown around before the election that were never answered. Of course they are all totally irrelevant now, however makes you think what the Obama voters thought they were voting for.

1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicagoscholarly articles — None
13. Your Record of baptism— Not released or “not available”
14. Your Illinois State Senaterecords—“not available”

577 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:10:53pm

re: #569 doubter4444

He’s still around. Writing a lot. Came out of the closet. But still witty as hell.

578 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:11:46pm

Coffee break

BBIAW

579 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:11:55pm

re: #573 Last Mohican

I’m kinda thinking that calling it the “birther/truther correlation poll” is gonna bias people to vote in favor of the sane options.

Not that it’s such a bad thing if you change a few minds that way.

I had thought of that, but I’d like to have neutral phrasing to fall back on. If some people are enticed down a more reasonable line of thought just by seeing a poll question about the correlation between the two, then good for them. I’d like for them to know that they arrived at that conclusion independently.

580 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:11:57pm

Blackadder: The path of my life is strewn with cowpats from the devil’s own satanic herd.

581 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:14:15pm

There is a whole other strand of Nirtherism that says the Birth Certificate issue is just a smokescreen to divert attention from questions regarding whether or not he was ever an Indonesian dual citizen and if so did he ever renounce that.

So even when the Birth Certificate issue gets beat down into pulp and the Nirthers are totally discredited, they’ll just change their message a bit and start over.

583 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:14:41pm

re: #578 A Kiwi Infidel

damn that is nice.

584 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:15:08pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Good Lord. How do we disown that?

585 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:15:08pm

re: #572 haakondahl

Well-written sarcasm also requires some intelligence on the part of the hearer…a quality some here don’t have.

586 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:15:25pm

re: #578 A Kiwi Infidel

that clearly isn’t wife safe

587 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:16:17pm

re: #576 tveitskog

Obama makes it extremely hard to get any personal information from his past and the media really failed on this point.

Failed? The media didn’t fail, I think they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams in suppressing the details of Obama’s past and reinventing him as some sort of demigod.

I don’t agree with you that all of those documents are totally irrelevant now. But I do think that one of them is: the certified, embossed, signed, suitable-for-framing birth certificate.

To be honest, I don’t care about his certificate of baptism, either.

588 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:16:21pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Video: Orly Taitz, MSNBC anchors scream at each other over Birtherism

Its like the Thunderdome of stupid

589 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:16:38pm

re: #584 calcajun

Too late.

590 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:16:41pm

re: #568 shiplord kirel

Free Republic has posted to a downloadable Hawaii birth certificate form, together with an invitation for Freepers to show the “left” how easy it is to cobble up your own.

A day late and an idea short.

Besides, their link is to the current form, which is quite different from the genuine 1961 vintage article posted here last night.

FReepers are Freaking out over multiple spoof “Nirth Certificats” floating around, so it’s hard to find the “real” one.

591 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:17:38pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

This one fits the nirthers:


“Baldric, that is the worst plan since Abe Lincoln said to his wife, I’m sick of sitting around the house, let’s catch a show”
592 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:18:02pm

re: #576 tveitskog

Obama makes it extremely hard to get any personal information from his past and the media really failed on this point. His words and actions are seldom the same. Does anyone have faith in Obama words that taxes will not be raised for any family making 250k and under? Here’s a copy (maybe from this blog) of some items thrown around before the election that were never answered. Of course they are all totally irrelevant now, however makes you think what the Obama voters thought they were voting for.

1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicagoscholarly articles — None
13. Your Record of baptism— Not released or “not available”
14. Your Illinois State Senaterecords—“not available”

Please: Add the Khalidi tape to that

593 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:18:07pm

re: #588 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its like the Thunderdome of stupid

Two men enter.
Neither can find the door.

594 BlueRoses  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:18:25pm

re: #19 pingjockey

The way this is going, I have no idea. It is madness of the first order. We have gov’t health care, cap and trade, trillions in red ink and these numbnuts worry about a state certified birth. GODDAMN IDIOTS.

You got that right. HOWEVER if there is any possibility they are right then what?

595 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:18:33pm

re: #569 doubter4444

What ever happened to Steven Fry?

Stephen Fry? I know him mostly as Jeeves the butler in Jeeves and Wooster.

596 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:18:36pm

re: #588 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She’s like a Ukranian Big Bird on Quaaludes.

597 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:18:39pm
Here’s an advance look at a new Public Policy Polling survey in Virginia completed over the weekend: An astonishing 41% of the state’s Republicans think President Obama was not born in the United States while just 32% think he was and 27% are still not sure.

The bad news is the other 32% are ron paul supporters. ///

598 Jack Burton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:18:56pm

re: #588 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its like the Thunderdome of stupid

Does ORLY have a little person on her back, or is she the little person calling for the embargo?

599 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:20:04pm

re: #585 LionOfDixon

Well-written sarcasm also requires some intelligence on the part of the hearer…a quality some here don’t have.

Well said.

600 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:20:08pm

BHO and Afghanistan:

Bob: “I wanted to see a war run so badly.”
EB: “Well you’ve come to the right place, then. There hasn’t been a war run this badly since Olaf the Hairy, King of all the Vikings, ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.

“

601 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:20:10pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Video: Orly Taitz, MSNBC anchors scream at each other over Birtherism

She really needs mor eye make up

On second thought, a paper bag would be better!

///

BAD SATT ,, BAD BAD BAD !

602 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:20:59pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Video: Orly Taitz, MSNBC anchors scream at each other over Birtherism


I might be able to watch the whole thing if I still smoked weed. But I don’t. So I can’t.

603 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:21:16pm

For Cato’s Retreat:

“You’ve taken a vow of silence, how fascinating. Tell me about it.

“

604 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:21:25pm

re: #593 calcajun

Two men enter.
Neither can find the door.

Who run Birther Town?

605 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:21:27pm

The way this is going, I have no idea. It is madness of the first order. We have gov’t health care, cap and trade, trillions in red ink and these numbnuts worry about a state certified birth. GODDAMN IDIOTS.

add his potental screwing of Israel and you know how i feel.

606 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:21:35pm

re: #599 haakondahl

I know its well said. I said it.

//

(grin)

607 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:21:50pm

re: #602 Cannadian Club Akbar

I might be able to watch the whole thing if I still smoked weed. But I don’t. So I can’t.

made me start again

608 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:22:07pm

re: #601 sattv4u2

On second thought, a paper bag would be better!

In this instance, I prefer she used plastic.

609 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:22:33pm

re: #602 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #607 sattv4u2

made me start again

not to mention shooting heroin right into my irises

610 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:22:42pm

re: #585 LionOfDixon

Well-written sarcasm also requires some intelligence on the part of the hearer…a quality some here don’t have.

Hey look, this is a blog, with all kinds of people and levels of understanding. You just put down a whole bunch of Lizards by your comment above.

If you have something to say about someone, then make a comment about and to that person, but stop making all inclusive remarks about the intellect of the users of this blog.

Got it?

611 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:22:49pm

re: #577 calcajun


He is. I love PG Wodehouse, and have since I was a kid. The writing is brilliant.
and thought he and Hugh Laurie were great as Bertie and Jeeves.
Blackadder was so dark and hilarious… and the end of the WWI series was really moving, I think.

612 BlueRoses  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:23:09pm

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re: #576 tveitskog

Obama makes it extremely hard to get any personal information from his past and the media really failed on this point. His words and actions are seldom the same. Does anyone have faith in Obama words that taxes will not be raised for any family making 250k and under? Here’s a copy (maybe from this blog) of some items thrown around before the election that were never answered. Of course they are all totally irrelevant now, however makes you think what the Obama voters thought they were voting for.

1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicagoscholarly articles — None
13. Your Record of baptism— Not released or “not available”
14. Your Illinois State Senaterecords—“not available”

Please: Add the Khalidi tape to that


That’s easy enough. Obama is and was the blank slate people could paste their personal hopes on and vote for him.
However we all are now finding out who he really is and I still don’t like him.

613 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:23:15pm

re: #602 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can still hear her voice.

614 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:23:42pm

re: #595 Silvergirl

Stephen Fry? I know him mostly as Jeeves the butler in Jeeves and Wooster.

And, may I say, Ma’am, that he was quite impressive in the role.

615 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:24:06pm

Norris is a nirther…
Shocka.
[Link: www.wnd.com…]

616 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #614 calcajun

And, may I say, Ma’am, that he was quite impressive in the role.

You may, and you may receive one upding for that astute observation.

Silvergirl, who loves P.G. Wodehouse

617 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:25:23pm

re: #611 doubter4444

It was. I did not see it coming. Nice bit of pathos with the dissolve to the field of poppies. The wounds from that war are still tender for the British.

618 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:25:44pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Video: Orly Taitz, MSNBC anchors scream at each other over Birtherism

I clicked it. God help me. I’m about 2:30 into it now. I’m concerned that Orly Taitz’ head might explode.

619 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:26:34pm

Blackadder: Am I jumping the gun, Baldrick, or are the words ‘I have a cunning plan’ marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?

620 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:26:45pm

re: #595 Silvergirl

He was always the foil in Blackadder too, as Col. Darling, in the WWI one and i forget who in the Elizabethan one (though someone will chime in on that)

621 FullRoller  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:27:19pm

Meanwhile, 100% of people who are capable of engaging in independent, intelligent thought believe Obama is a lying scumbag. Film at 11…

622 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:28:11pm
623 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:28:15pm

RANDOM THOUGHT

Does Ann Coulter get any Lizard Rehab Points for NOT being a Birther!?!?!?!

dicuss!

624 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:28:53pm

re: #623 sattv4u2

RANDOM THOUGHT

Does Ann Coulter get any Lizard Rehab Points for NOT being a Birther!?!?!?!

dicuss!

No.

625 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:29:05pm

58% think Obama is or is maybe ineligible. How did stupid get this out of hand?

626 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:29:09pm

re: #624 Last Mohican

No.

a man of few words!

627 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Video: Orly Taitz, MSNBC anchors scream at each other over Birtherism

Odd, everytime I play the video, it sets off chain barking and we don’t even have any dogs around here.

628 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:29:47pm

re: #625 Sharmuta

58% think Obama is or is maybe ineligible. How did stupid get this out of hand?

public education at it’s finest!

and no ,,, no ///

629 capitalist piglet  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:30:01pm

re: #623 sattv4u2

RANDOM THOUGHT

Does Ann Coulter get any Lizard Rehab Points for NOT being a Birther!?!?!?!

dicuss!

Some questions just answer themselves.

630 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:30:50pm

re: #598 ArchangelMichael
Well poor thing, she no doubt carries a deep resentment towards the parents who gave her the same name as an airport in Fwance.

631 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:31:02pm

re: #629 capitalist piglet

Some questions just answer themselves.

and some answers open other questions!!
wow ,, I feel like I’m back in Philosophy 101. It was cool. My prof was high most of the time!

632 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:31:11pm

re: #588 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its like the Thunderdome of stupid


Her picture must be in the dictionary as ‘raving loon’.

633 yochanan  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:31:22pm

re: #623 sattv4u2

RANDOM THOUGHT

Does Ann Coulter get any Lizard Rehab Points for NOT being a Birther!?!?!?!

dicuss!

i still think he is a trannie

634 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:31:27pm

this fits with the Taitz interview:

“They do say, Mrs Miggins, that verbal insults hurt more than physical pain. They are, of course, wrong as you shall find out when I stick this toasting fork in you.”


- EB to Mrs Miggins after being called a mere butler,

635 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:32:19pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Video: Orly Taitz, MSNBC anchors scream at each other over Birtherism

Okay, who’s got video editing skills? What I want is a repeating loop of Orly Taitz saying “Let me, let me answer! Let me, let me, let me answer!” at 4:36 in this video. I want to listen to it until I can figure out which muppet she sounds exactly like. It’s bugging me that I can’t figure it out.

636 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:33:26pm

re: #635 Last Mohican

Okay, who’s got video editing skills? What I want is a repeating loop of Orly Taitz saying “Let me, let me answer! Let me, let me, let me answer!” at 4:36 in this video. I want to listen to it until I can figure out which muppet she sounds exactly like. It’s bugging me that I can’t figure it out.

wa there ever a muppet called DINGBAT!?

637 Born Again Republican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:34:16pm

re: #564 yochanan

President Obama is a CITIZEN, and the 9/11 attacks were carried out by AL-QAEDA ALONE.

And Bush didn’t lie about WMDs. Don’t care how many times people were told by leaders all over the world they also believed he had them. I’d love to see a poll how many still spout this. Bet it’s big.

638 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:34:33pm

re: #110 albusteve

if you toss out all the creationists, nirthers, Paulians, wife cheaters and bass playing Mormons, you’ll need a magnifying glass to find the GOP

That’s pretty unfair.
There’s no denying that these people exist, but you are tarring a lot of innocent conservatives with that statement.

639 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:34:46pm

re: #627 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Odd, everytime I play the video, it sets off chain barking and we don’t even have any dogs around here.

LOL!

640 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:35:36pm
“Sir, you are one of the most foul, disgusting, immoral, perverted men that I have ever known. Have you considered a career in the church?”


- The baby eating Bishop of Barton Wells to Blackadder.

641 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:36:44pm

re: #633 yochanan

She does NOT have an Adam’s apple—unlike Joy Behar.

642 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:37:07pm

re: #640 calcajun

- The baby eating Bishop of Barton Wells to Blackadder.

Blackadder: I’ve no desire to hang around with a bunch of upper-class delinquents, do twenty minutes’ work and then spend the rest of the day loafing about in Paris drinking gallons of champagne and having dozens of moist, pink, highly experienced French peasant girls galloping up and down my - hang on…

643 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:37:09pm

re: #635 Last Mohican

Okay, who’s got video editing skills? What I want is a repeating loop of Orly Taitz saying “Let me, let me answer! Let me, let me, let me answer!” at 4:36 in this video. I want to listen to it until I can figure out which muppet she sounds exactly like. It’s bugging me that I can’t figure it out.

It might be Pepe, the King Prawn.

644 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:37:57pm

re: #619 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Blackadder: Am I jumping the gun, Baldrick, or are the words ‘I have a cunning plan’ marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?

A plan so cunning that you stick a tail on it and call it a weasel

645 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:38:43pm

re: #583 yochanan

damn that is nice.


And so was the coffee

646 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:39:49pm

I had better go and do some work.

back later lizards

647 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:40:40pm

re: #610 Walter L. Newton

Does not the word “some” indicate to you that I was not implying “all?”

648 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:46:00pm

re: #644 A Kiwi Infidel

A plan so cunning that you stick a tail on it and call it a weasel

“To you, Baldric, the Renaissance was something that just happened to other people, wasn’t it?”

649 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:48:31pm

re: #610 Walter L. Newton

Hey look, this is a blog, with all kinds of people and levels of understanding. You just put down a whole bunch of Lizards by your comment above.

If you have something to say about someone, then make a comment about and to that person, but stop making all inclusive remarks about the intellect of the users of this blog.

Got it?

Oh, lighten up. He was talking about me.

650 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:52:35pm

re: #110 albusteve

if you toss out all the creationists, nirthers, Paulians, wife cheaters and bass playing Mormons, you’ll need a magnifying glass to find the GOP

Excuse me?

651 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:54:18pm

re: #650 haakondahl

Mitt Romney plays the Bull Fiddle? Truly a Rennaissance Man

652 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:02:28pm

It is surpassingly sad for me to note that the names of the contestant factions currently fighting it out for leadership of the GOP are the Idiotic, the Ignorant, and the Insane.

Whichever of them wins, the party - and the nation - loses.

653 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:08:54pm

re: #175 albusteve

so?

Oh - just another who’s been here for years with hardly any posts to their name melting down while lecturing us on how to behave.

654 gregb  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:09:23pm

re: #40 DaddyG

Hey wait! I saw the movie: Idiocracy!

655 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:22:52pm

re: #635 Last Mohican

Just wait, and there’s bound to be a remix posted on YouTube sooner or later.

656 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:26:36pm

re: #131 debutaunt

She may have a lot to learn, but lines like that delivered by someone as attractive as Palin will go a long way in an election… because women will walk away thinking ’ wow, that’s honest … and just what I was thinking’.

657 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:31:18pm

re: #5 debutaunt

Oh, crap…
President Biden.
….nevermind…

658 Baelzar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:42:51pm

I’m receiving a transmission from the future…wait…here…wait…

“Obama sails to victory in 2012…Democrats gain more seats”

659 drool  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:21:40pm

Is that dueling banjos that I hear in the background?

660 Macker  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 8:20:53pm

re: #13 debutaunt

How far down is the bottom?

China.

661 mrkwong  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 11:23:03pm

re: #612 BlueRoses
That’s easy enough. Obama is and was the blank slate people could paste their personal hopes on and vote for him.
However we all are now finding out who he really is and I still don’t like him.

And that’s the point. There’s a lot of folks who simply do not trust how this man got into the White House. They have no personal knowledge of the situation, but they know there’s volumes of unanswered questions about his past, and they assume (quite reasonably) that on any matter having to do with Obama, whatever the press is saying is 180 degrees opposed from fact.

So the nirther story, nonsensical as it may be, is a convenient hook on which to hang their disbelief that the voters of this country would elect a man whose background often seems to have been spun from whole cloth.

662 mrkwong  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 11:28:02pm

re: #657 tradewind

Oh, crap…
President Biden.
….nevermind…

I’d take President Joe over the one we’ve got now.

Hell, then he could appoint Lieberman VP and we’d have more Joe than we know what to do with.

663 johnnygriswold  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:40:39am

What’s wrong with people just wanting to be 100% sure?

664 S'latch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:56:50am

I don’t believe this poll for one minute. 32% of Virginia Republicans do not seriously doubt Barack Obama is a citizen.

I have no doubt Obama is a citizen, but if asked by some polling outfit, I might even tell them that I doubt Obama is a citizen just to express my general disapproval of his administration. I have no doubt a great number of the respondents of this poll are responding similarly.

Doubting Obama’s citizenship, or nodding at people who seriously do doubt it, is just a figurative way of saying “hell no” to Obama. This is just a flawed, but human, way of expressing disapproval and rejection of something that you oppose.

665 S'latch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:19:26am

re: #664 Lawrence Schmerel

32% 41% of Virginia Republicans do not seriously doubt Barack Obama is a citizen.

666 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:15:39am

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

[Link: www.brendan-nyhan.com…]

Does anyone else recall the Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened polls? Link above…

You know I just think many who answered these polls (then and now) just took a shot at a guy they hate. It’s the “lie I like” phenomenon. I grabbed the links more or less at random, its the polls not the accompanying editorial I’m pointing out.

Funny-about half of southern Republicans and half of all Democrats gave the hostile/paranoid answer.

Comments?

Daniel Ballard

667 Salamantis  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:36:59pm

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

I think that what people have to take from the Nirth & Troof (sounds like a specialty store, doesn’t it?) phenomenon …

Sounded like a meal to me (Surf & Turf)…;~)


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