But it gets easier when you play as part of a team as good as Babe Ruth's Yankees were.

It’s hard to beat a person who never gives up.

— Babe Ruth

Crap- I give up then.

It’s hard to beat a person who never gives up.

/switch to an aluminum bat and swing harder

"It is difficult to fight against anger, for a man will buy revenge with his soul." ~ Heraclites

re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth

"It is difficult to fight against anger, for a man will buy revenge with his soul." ~ Heraclites

There are few problems with revenge seekers than can't be solved with high explosives.

/kidding

With things having hit a slow patch, now seems a good time to head to bed. Stay scaly, lizards. And SpaceJesus, good talk and I really mean that.

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

The say that living well is the best revenge. I gotta say, though, that revenge is a terrible motivator for personal success.

For most normal folks, the desire for revenge runs out, and you find yourself without a sane motivation for doing something you likely are sick of doing.

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

With things having hit a slow patch, now seems a good time to head to bed. Stay scaly, lizards. And SpaceJesus, good talk and I really mean that.

Agreed, goodnight all. (Yes, even you SJ :)

So, have we determined yet that there are places on the internet where people say stupid things?

re: #10 brown_paper_kid

Charles,
In all sincerity mate I think that you should take a break from the blog and give yourself a breather. You owe it to yourself.

Bwah! Page hits are way up. Charles has companies finally beating down his door to advertise here.

Give up now? You've got to be kidding. Things are just beginning to get good.

So I can't go through the rest of the earlier threads...what did the idiot say in front of Congress? Positive/negative reactions? Will it have any effect?

BTW, I went "green" on the spin-offs tonight, but there were lots and lots of interesting links flying through the internet today.

The "green" links won't get many hits; the following would get many more but I feel so cheap when I post these sort of things:

Sherlyn: Have breasts, will talk!

[...]

I believe in the Almighty God who is able to do exceedingly and abundantly far and above what I can ever dare to hope, ask or dream. I think of myself as competent enough to compete with the best.” She admits to a past she’d like to put behind her. “Earlier, I lived in the world of mediocrity. But today, I value excellence and choose to associate with people who pursue it.”

And while she’s building her body of work, there has been talk as well about her body. To be specific, her breasts. That Sherlyn is very outspoken about her body, the decision to get them surgically enhanced must have been a tough one. “Earlier, I felt like a boy. Not any more. Thanks to breast implants. I speak about my breasts only upon being asked.

[...]

re: #12 TheMatrix31

...what did the idiot say in front of Congress? ...

Are you talking about Congressman Wilson?

re: #10 brown_paper_kid

Charles,
In all sincerity mate I think that you should take a break from the blog and give yourself a breather. You owe it to yourself.

Regards
bpk

Is that you Brian as in regards, Brian?

This would be another one which would be good for cheap hits:

Preacher says God wanted him to hijack Mexican jet

It was 1 p.m. when the control tower at the Mexico City airport got the first word of a bizarre drama that would play out over the next two hours: The pilot of Aeromexico Flight 576 radioed that a man aboard claimed to have a bomb and wanted to talk with President Felipe Calderon.

Jose Flores, a 44-year-old Bolivian preacher who lives in Mexico, had gotten the word from God that he had to warn Mexicans of an impending disaster — an earthquake "like none there has ever been," he told reporters after being hustled off the plane by police without anyone being injured.

...

re: #14 freetoken

Are you talking about Congressman Wilson?

No. I'm talking about Barack Obama.

Matrix, one notable part was when Obama called Sarah Palin a liar, and then in the next paragraph when he claimed that his plan wouldn't insure illegal immigrants, SC Rep. Joe Wilson audibly called him a liar. He called Rahm Emanuel afterwards and apologized for it, but I don't imagine that Ø is going to be placing a similar call to Todd Palin.

re: #18 Abu Al-Poopypants

Matrix, one notable part was when Obama called Sarah Palin a liar, and then in the next paragraph when he claimed that his plan wouldn't insure illegal immigrants, SC Rep. Joe Wilson audibly called him a liar. He called Rahm Emanuel afterwards and apologized for it, but I don't imagine that Ø is going to be placing a similar call to Todd Palin.

Ooh, interesting. Not too classy but true nonetheless.

The best part was watching Pelosi's reaction.

re: #18 Abu Al-Poopypants

He did not name Palin specifically.

True, but not any less classy than the Donk outburst at the '05 SOTU.

re: #20 Abu Al-Poopypants

The best part was watching Pelosi's reaction.

Pelosi's face reacts to things?

re: #21 Sharmuta

Though if he did, it would have still been true, to the dismay of the Palinophiles.

re: #10 brown_paper_kid

Why in the world would you tell Charles to stop blogging?

re: #14 freetoken

Are you talking about Congressman Wilson?

Not at all surprisingly, Wilson is the lead story on CNN and other news sites this morning. Nothing like handing the media all the ammunition they need to paint the GOP as a pack of obstructionist idiots and avoid addressing the specifics of the health care plans now being ramrodded through Congress.

Wilson has managed to provide near-perfect cover to the Dems by acting like a 10 year old.

re: #24 freetoken

Argh. I really wish she just came out and said rationing to cut costs instead of using the phrase death panels.

A phenomenon previously only witnessed in velvet paintings.

Life imitates art.

From the for what it's worth dept. on the Obama stance on Honduras.

An expat friend who lives on an island off the Honduran Caribbean coast and does good things for the environment and protected areas there sent me this tonight ...

Bob, I have to face the consequences: our funding has been suspended. Our grant comes from the Inter-American Bank that temporarily closed its office. Now I have to stretch money that I have already received to pay people's salaries, until politicians figure it all out. There are real, live people paying the price.

There is another side: Hondurans are angry, too. The immigration is refusing to extend visas, or rather permissions to stay longer than 3 months, to people who are working in the dive shops, hotels and restaurants. Once they are all gone, the whole town economy will come to a screeching halt.

...
From another Honduran:
Plus the lack of funding has curtailed drug interdiction efforts.

We can probably expect a drop in cocaine street prices soon. That ought to stimulate the economy.

Change we can believe in.

/

re: #10 brown_paper_kid

Charles,
In all sincerity mate I think that you should take a break from the blog and give yourself a breather. You owe it to yourself.

Regards
bpk

brown_paper_kid,
In all sincerity mate I think that you should take a break from the blog and give yourself a breather. You owe it to yourself.

Another chiseler crossed off my list forever, along with the detestable fraud known as Xanadoo Wireless Internet. This time it is the cellphone company Net 10. They double-billed me for an order today and admitted that it was their fault since their lame website went down in the middle of the transaction and provided no indication that the order had been accepted. They agreed to refund my debit but it will take the usual 7-10 business days, in contrast to the milliseconds it took them to take my money in the first place.

Btw, Xanadoo is up to their nightly outage trick again (I still have their modem and turn it on once in a while just to see what they are doing). They claim this is for "maintenance" but I think the only thing they are trying to maintain is their solvency by saving a few bucks on electric service. They aren't succeeding even at that. As a city staffer told me today while we discussing the dreadful ISP situation here, "I have never heard anything good about Xanadoo." She certainly hasn't heard it from me.

re: #10 brown_paper_kid

Charles,
In all sincerity mate I think that you should take a break from the blog and give yourself a breather. You owe it to yourself.

Regards
bpk

In all sincerity "mate," I think you should take a break from commenting, and give us all a breather. Perhaps learn some civility and good manners. Maybe you can also learn to actually think before you comment. Grow up.

re: #29 Bobibutu

From the for what it's worth dept. on the Obama stance on Honduras.

An expat friend who lives on an island off the Honduran Caribbean coast and does good things for the environment and protected areas there sent me this tonight ...

Bob, I have to face the consequences: our funding has been suspended. Our grant comes from the Inter-American Bank that temporarily closed its office. Now I have to stretch money that I have already received to pay people's salaries, until politicians figure it all out. There are real, live people paying the price.

There is another side: Hondurans are angry, too. The immigration is refusing to extend visas, or rather permissions to stay longer than 3 months, to people who are working in the dive shops, hotels and restaurants. Once they are all gone, the whole town economy will come to a screeching halt.

...
From another Honduran:
Plus the lack of funding has curtailed drug interdiction efforts.

We can probably expect a drop in cocaine street prices soon. That ought to stimulate the economy.

Change we can believe in.

/

As if this travesty weren't bad enough just on moral grounds.

re: #22 Abu Al-Poopypants

True, but not any less classy than the Donk outburst at the '05 SOTU.

I'm getting very, very tired of the "Mommy, he did it first!" arguments, even when they're true. It's a ridiculous, pointless excuse offered by children, not adults. Bad behavior is bad behavior, and it isn't excusable because someone else did it already. It's still bad.

Wilson is a moron. And as a practical matter, he has made the entire GOP look like exactly the pack of drooling, obstructionist morons the Administration has been trying to paint them as, while drawing media attention from where it ought to be focused: on the specifics of the proposed health care plans. Watch the media spin this into a tsunami of trivialities and snark today while the bills advance effectively unopposed, with a large percentage of the public now thoroughly convinced that the GOP really is The Party of No.

re: #26 SixDegrees

I've seen a lot of court tv shows, from Wapner to present day, and one thing I have observed is that the judge rarely finds the "That's a lie/You're a liar" type interruptions compelling.

If being The Party of No prevents this power grab, I'm all for it.

re: #34 SixDegrees

I really doubt that the media would have covered the fallacies of Obama's bullshit speech to begin with. I'm also fairly certain that the media paints us as such either way. That said, Wilson was stupid. Really stupid.

re: #34 SixDegrees

I ain't one to gossip, so you didn't here this from me...

_{I have it on good authority that Wilson is a democrat plant.}
///

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

I ain't one to gossip, so you didn't here this from me...

_{I have it on good authority that Wilson is a democrat plant.}
///

Um, yeah. Different Joe Wilson.

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

_{I have it on good authority that Wilson is a democrat ACORN plant.}
///

FTFY

re: #33 haakondahl

Sorry I wasn't clear ...

"We can probably expect a drop in cocaine street prices soon. That ought to stimulate the economy.

Change we can believe in.

/"

were my comments about an increase into the US as well.

re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth

I've seen a lot of court tv shows, from Wapner to present day, and one thing I have observed is that the judge rarely finds the "That's a lie/You're a liar" type interruptions compelling.

The whole effing point of institutions like Congress is to provide a framework where everyone gets to speak their mind - when it's their turn. They keep the mob from simply yammering and shouting. It isn't as though there aren't any opportunities for Wilson and all other members of Congress to speak their minds on this and any other issues they care to. Interrupting while someone else is speaking, however, is amazingly churlish.

Normally, the press would have fanned out all over Congress last night and this morning to glean reactions from members. Now, instead, they get to fan out and ask, "How big of an idiot is Joe Wilson?" And I'm afraid what we'll hear as the day wears on is yet more offensive, vulgar remarks from some GOP members that the media will happily amplify to mountainous proportions.

re: #40 freetoken

If he was an ACORN plant, wouldn't he be an Oak?

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

I ain't one to gossip, so you didn't here this from me...

_{I have it on good authority that Wilson is a democrat plant.}
///

Earlier I was going to say something like:

"Claims that Wilson is a lefty-plant in 4, 3, 2..."

But I got involved with somethings at work and had to go. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this claim from kooks... well just about every site or blog on the right is a kook den now so any of them saying this would not surprise me.

A good evening/night everybody or morning as we call it here.

A little eye candy for the ladies to get them in the mood.
The finest Euro depravity that you can find on the web.

Absolutely, positively NSFW or maybe SFW (depends on where you work)

Anyway without much further ado i give you Rammstein, Mann gegen mann

'You don't know shit, and you're not shit. Don't take that the wrong way, that was meant to cheer you up."

re: #37 TheMatrix31

I really doubt that the media would have covered the fallacies of Obama's bullshit speech to begin with. I'm also fairly certain that the media paints us as such either way. That said, Wilson was stupid. Really stupid.

The media's Liberal bias is a given. It's a known feature of the playing field. Handing them red meat is about as dumb as it gets.

/nite

re: #47 SixDegrees

The media's Liberal bias is a given. It's a known feature of the playing field. Handing them red meat is about as dumb as it gets.

The same reason why the "I hope he fails!" statements were dumb.

re: #47 SixDegrees

The media's Liberal bias is a given. It's a known feature of the playing field. Handing them red meat is about as dumb as it gets.

Yeah, but I really don't think the artificial distractions are going to work this time. People really want this crap to come to a resolution already.

re: #49 ArchangelMichael

The same reason why the "I hope he fails!" statements were dumb.

Yup. Although at least those came from a gadfly, not from an elected representative. Gadflys are pretty much expected to go over the top on a regular basis. Congressmen, on the other hand, are expected to be more level-headed.

Anyone know what the deal with JammieWearingFool is? He did the same thing as Iowahawk. It's like there's an epidemic of rudeness and thoughtlessness going on lately among conservative bloggers I used to respect.
I mean, it never occurs to them to send an e-mail and talk privately with Charles about what's bothering them instead of basically flipping him off behind his back?
Charles don't deserve that, and it pisses me off that folks he befriended and supported would pull this kind of crap without so much as a word.

Just saw a Yahoo News article trying to make a mountain out of a molehill with Wilson. It was especially weird to read the comments where the lib commenters were trying to give it significance right up there with the second coming.

On the other hand, Republicans commenters provided evidence that he was right, from the amendments blocked to the prohibition on asking a patient's nationality that is in the bill.

Nobody, of course, was listening to anyone else.

re: #52 SteveRogers

So true, e-mailing Charles to work out one's differences usually has a very positive result.

re: #50 TheMatrix31

Yeah, but I really don't think the artificial distractions are going to work this time. People really want this crap to come to a resolution already.

Maybe. Mostly, what people want is "Survivor!" and Wilson provides more entertainment value than anything else that happened yesterday. One in ten around the water cooler tomorrow may want to focus on the details of the various health care proposals, but the other nine are going to be fixated on someone yelling at the President that he's a liar.

It's also what's getting all the media play at the moment. I expect this to continue for the next 24 hours, or until another GOP member makes a comment of equal or greater foolishness.

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
-Martin Luther King Jr.

re: #53 Mauser

Heckling a speaker is crass, no matter if it's a member Code Pink or a Republican Congressman.

Obama was lying. Illegals will be covered and not billed. It is clear as abortion coverage and panels that will ration health care.

re: #55 SixDegrees

Maybe. Mostly, what people want is "Survivor!" and Wilson provides more entertainment value than anything else that happened yesterday. One in ten around the water cooler tomorrow may want to focus on the details of the various health care proposals, but the other nine are going to be fixated on someone yelling at the President that he's a liar.

It's also what's getting all the media play at the moment. I expect this to continue for the next 24 hours, or until another GOP member makes a comment of equal or greater foolishness.

Well, all you have to do is diffuse it. Say, 'Yeah, it wasn't a good thing to do, but in theory, he's right. Here's how he's lying" and bing-bam-boom...the conversation turns towards facts.

re: #41 Bobibutu

Sorry I wasn't clear ...

"We can probably expect a drop in cocaine street prices soon. That ought to stimulate the economy.

Change we can believe in.

/"

were my comments about an increase into the US as well.

I was able to discern the two quotes and your own commentary. No sweat.

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

Agreed. Right or not, he should have controlled himself. But using it to try to condemn the whole of the GOP is a bit of a stretch.

re: #41 Bobibutu

Sorry I wasn't clear ...

"We can probably expect a drop in cocaine street prices soon. That ought to stimulate the economy.

Change we can believe in.

/"

were my comments about an increase into the US as well.

In fact, you were quite clear, where my comment might not have been. In slightly more details, the moral grounds I mentioned refer to doing what is right even though there be no direct benefit to the actor, namely, supporting representative, constitutinal government elsewhere, in the interest of freeing our fellow man. The implied second consideration, as raised by your friends' quotes, is that of drugs spilling ever more freely into America.

re: #61 Mauser

Agreed. Right or not, he should have controlled himself. But using it to try to condemn the whole of the GOP is a bit of a stretch.

Okay, but Six Degrees did it first.

[ducks]

re: #54 Mauser

So true, e-mailing Charles to work out one's differences usually has a very positive result.

I also think personal e-mails would do much to mitigate misunderstandings. It seems like a lot of bloggers just go off half cocked and draw premature conclusions without having the decency to get all the facts first.
Or maybe they just want a blog war to drum up traffic.
Either way, I feel bad for Charles because he placed his trust in those guys and they return it with this juvenile BS.

Anyway, I hope they come to their senses, apologize to Charles and explain why they behaved so immaturely. Not likely, I know, but it would be nice to see.

re: #61 Mauser

I am registered Republican (perhaps a RINO to some), but I don't buy into nirtherism, trooferism, creationism, and all the other kooky crap that is coming from prominent conservative speakers and republican politicians.

Still, right or wrong, Wilson's outburst is just another example in a parade of examples that will help reinforce the meme that the GOP is losing it's shit.

re: #59 TheMatrix31

Well, all you have to do is diffuse it. Say, 'Yeah, it wasn't a good thing to do, but in theory, he's right. Here's how he's lying" and bing-bam-boom...the conversation turns towards facts.

We'll see if anyone has the wherewithal to pull that off.

re: #61 Mauser

Agreed. Right or not, he should have controlled himself. But using it to try to condemn the whole of the GOP is a bit of a stretch.

And yet, that's exactly what the media will certainly do, and is already doing.

Gotta run. Work calls.

Correction, the article was LINKED to from a Yahoo news article. It was actually Glenn Thrush on Politico.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Scoring the spin in the article is an exercise for the reader.

re: #52 SteveRogers

Anyone know what the deal with JammieWearingFool is? He did the same thing as Iowahawk. It's like there's an epidemic of rudeness and thoughtlessness going on lately among conservative bloggers I used to respect.
I mean, it never occurs to them to send an e-mail and talk privately with Charles about what's bothering them instead of basically flipping him off behind his back?
Charles don't deserve that, and it pisses me off that folks he befriended and supported would pull this kind of crap without so much as a word.

I don;t care to sound conspiratorial, but with the amazing ease and widespread use of e-mail among bloggers, and the odd lack of any communications to Charles from some of these folks, it seems Charles may have been declared an "unperson" in some quarters.

I don't actually know what is going on, and I disagree with Charles oh, here and there, but if I'm even close to being right, this is some truly rancid conduct.

re: #69 haakondahl

The synchronicity is troubling.

Drudge has been creeping out my computer lately. Anyone else?

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

I am registered Republican (perhaps a RINO to some), but I don't buy into nirtherism, trooferism, creationism, and all the other kooky crap that is coming from prominent conservative speakers and republican politicians.

You and me both. I tend to call myself a "Conservative, small-l libertarian" but frankly, it's hard to dodge the loons in ANY political party these days.

Still, right or wrong, Wilson's outburst is just another example in a parade of examples that will help reinforce the meme that the GOP is losing it's shit.

It's still bad to generalize about a group based on individuals, but they do seem to be a rather disappointing lot lately.

So is JWF gone from LGF too?

/too many abbreviations.

re: #70 freetoken

The synchronicity is troubling.

So it's not just me. Good.

re: #70 freetoken

The synchronicity is troubling.

"I question the timing."

/couldn't resist

re: #75 ArchangelMichael

"I question the timing."

/couldn't resist

Shut up.

re: #52 SteveRogers

Anyone know what the deal with JammieWearingFool is? He did the same thing as Iowahawk. It's like there's an epidemic of rudeness and thoughtlessness going on lately among conservative bloggers I used to respect.
I mean, it never occurs to them to send an e-mail and talk privately with Charles about what's bothering them instead of basically flipping him off behind his back?
Charles don't deserve that, and it pisses me off that folks he befriended and supported would pull this kind of crap without so much as a word.

It bothers me too, Steve, and I'm not real sure what to make of it. I can understand that people will feel the need to part company over things, but I fail to see what Charles has done so wrong to these folks as to warrant a delinking with no sort of correspondence. Perhaps they have lost respect for Charles so they don't feel the need to do so, but I would think that Charles would at least deserve something from these folks as a token of all the support he's given them in the past. That they can't even grant him that speaks more about them than it speaks about Charles, imo.

some republicans were very disrespectful of the president last night

booing is fine

but holding up signs and the dope who yelled "you lie!"

did these people think they were at a town hall or something?

re: #69 haakondahl

I don;t care to sound conspiratorial, but with the amazing ease and widespread use of e-mail among bloggers, and the odd lack of any communications to Charles from some of these folks, it seems Charles may have been declared an "unperson" in some quarters.

I don't actually know what is going on, and I disagree with Charles oh, here and there, but if I'm even close to being right, this is some truly rancid conduct.

I certainly feel there is a campaign against LGF. They're blackballing Charles.

re: #71 pat

Why is that?

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

I am registered Republican (perhaps a RINO to some), but I don't buy into nirtherism, trooferism, creationism, and all the other kooky crap that is coming from prominent conservative speakers and republican politicians.

Still, right or wrong, Wilson's outburst is just another example in a parade of examples that will help reinforce the meme that the GOP is losing it's shit.

You can also throw mediocre leadership in there. The GOP needs leaders that can communicate effectively and take the narrative away from the MSM and the left.
They should get Liz Cheney to train Republicans in the most effective ways to communicate while shredding the traps that many in the MSM set. She's very good at seizing the narrative from hostile interviewers.

re: #72 Mauser

It's still bad to generalize about a group based on individuals, but they do seem to be a rather disappointing lot lately.

I agree. I am not saying this makes any stereotyping legitimate, but we do see a lot of broad brush "democrats this" and "liberals that" right here on LGF, and that usually goes without challenge.

And often we can see folks complaining about "broad brush" comments about republicans/conservatives from those who neither blink at the reverse, nor hesitate to swing a broad brush at democrats/liberals.

And just so it's clear, I am just throwing that out there, I am not accusing you of having such a double standard.

re: #79 Sharmuta

I certainly feel there is a campaign against LGF. They're blackballing Charles.

I wonder what the landscape would look like if LGF (the community) could bring itself to gaze the entire stalker blog issue.
I don't give a damn what those blogs have to say. There are some people I have no problem with, so I don't wish to tar the whole group over there, but you choose your community. I know where mine is, and I think that the focus on spite groups is not good for us.

re: #79 Sharmuta

I certainly feel there is a campaign against LGF. They're blackballing Charles.

They're probably pissed that Charles isn't screaming, tearing at his hair, and frothing at the mouth over every single scrap of anti-Obama BS that floats through the Blogosphere. And his recent sarcasm has probably REALLY put them off.

But burning their bridges... that's just a really stupid way of shooting themselves in the foot.

re: #78 spiderx

but holding up signs and the dope who yelled "you lie!"

Some of the (R)'s did that? Really? I missed all the coverage on TV.

If they really did do that, where do they think they were - at some Tea Party?

re: #80 freetoken

It fails to leave when I click the close tab control sometimes. And that seems to do the same to other tabs. I think it has to do with the new re-generating page set up.

re: #81 SteveRogers

You can also throw mediocre leadership in there. The GOP needs leaders that can communicate effectively and take the narrative away from the MSM and the left.
They should get Liz Cheney to train Republicans in the most effective ways to communicate while shredding the traps that many in the MSM set. She's very good at seizing the narrative from hostile interviewers.

Well, she certainly has an advantage--she came at Wolf Blitzer with motherly disappointment. Shut him right down, too!

re: #79 Sharmuta

I certainly feel there is a campaign against LGF. They're blackballing Charles.

I'm sure there is, and the actions of nearly all of them are childish and petty.

re: #84 Mauser

They're probably pissed that Charles isn't screaming, tearing at his hair, and frothing at the mouth ...

That's what he has me for.

re: #86 pat

I guess it will depend on your web browser. I use Safari on a Mac, and the times I've visited Drudge have been no problem, other than the code to refresh automatically can't be turned off.

Just visited Drudge... works like always.

re: #90 freetoken

this is new to me, so I am watching it.

re: #90 freetoken

I guess it will depend on your web browser. I use Safari on a Mac, and the times I've visited Drudge have been no problem, other than the code to refresh automatically can't be turned off.

Just visited Drudge... works like always.

Heh. Using Safari on a Mac will actually increase your IQ. Gets you a bigger, uh, wrench as well.

re: #84 Mauser

They're probably pissed that Charles isn't screaming, tearing at his hair, and frothing at the mouth over every single scrap of anti-Obama BS that floats through the Blogosphere. And his recent sarcasm has probably REALLY put them off.

But burning their bridges... that's just a really stupid way of shooting themselves in the foot.

I agree! I think some of these people are going to be very sorry for how they've treated Charles in a year or two.

re: #92 haakondahl

Safari is a memory hog, but it is quite fast.

It used to be the left that misbehaved in public (though elected lib officials were rarely involved). It was just part of their 60s inspired in-your-face absolutism, relevance for the attention-challenged. We on the right reaped the benefits.

Nowadays, except for the occasional media-pandering fossil like Code Pink, it is the right that acts like a mob of ill-bred teenagers. Worse, elected officials like this uncouth Wilson character join right in, probably in an effort to prove their good ole boy cred to the sweating masses at home. It is, of course, the left that reaps the benefits.
"They started it!" is a pathetic and shortsighted excuse. We WANT the opposition to act stupid. After losing the civility contest for decades, the left is starting to win.

I am not amused and I don't like the way this is headed. Fwiw, a real gun is quite a bit scarier than a pink tank any day.

re: #69 haakondahl

I don;t care to sound conspiratorial, but with the amazing ease and widespread use of e-mail among bloggers, and the odd lack of any communications to Charles from some of these folks, it seems Charles may have been declared an "unperson" in some quarters.

I don't actually know what is going on, and I disagree with Charles oh, here and there, but if I'm even close to being right, this is some truly rancid conduct.

Thanks, I hadn't considered that. It's amazing the amount of disinformation being spread at other blogs that I have seen. I don't even bother reading the comments at Hot Air anymore.

re: #93 Sharmuta

I agree! I think some of these people are going to be very sorry for how they've treated Charles in a year or two.

If they had a conscious, maybe.

People can go their entire life treating others like crap, and not care.

re: #84 Mauser

They're probably pissed that Charles isn't screaming, tearing at his hair, and frothing at the mouth over every single scrap of anti-Obama BS that floats through the Blogosphere. And his recent sarcasm has probably REALLY put them off.

But burning their bridges... that's just a really stupid way of shooting themselves in the foot.

The sarcasm is well deserved. Charles has more than made his point that the Conservative movement is in a complete melt-down tailspin into Oceanus Insanus and they are in total denial of it, sinking to Moonbat and Alinsky tactics that they all claim to oppose.

I think it important for everyone to remember the internet and chat places are not your life. I come to relax. I hope others do also.

re: #94 freetoken

I gave up Safari years ago. Firefox works fine for me and the plugins rock!

re: #97 freetoken

If they had a conscious, maybe.

People can go their entire life treating others like crap, and not care.

Oh- I don't think they'll feel sorry for how they treated Charles because it's wrong. They'll likely be sorry because they won't be able to use LGF to get traffic for themselves in the midst of an election season.

re: #77 Sharmuta

It bothers me too, Steve, and I'm not real sure what to make of it. I can understand that people will feel the need to part company over things, but I fail to see what Charles has done so wrong to these folks as to warrant a delinking with no sort of correspondence. Perhaps they have lost respect for Charles so they don't feel the need to do so, but I would think that Charles would at least deserve something from these folks as a token of all the support he's given them in the past. That they can't even grant him that speaks more about them than it speaks about Charles, imo.

Thanks Sharmuta. I agree it says more about them. I never would've thought those bloggers would do such a thing, but people do change, sometimes for the worst, unfortunately.

re: #98 ArchangelMichael

IMO, if someone is using, or approves of using Alinsky/Moonbat tactics, then they are in fact an Alinsky-ite Moonbat, and lose any possible claim to being a conservative what so ever. Period. End of story.

Damn, I gotta go. My wife is giving me the evil eye. Goodnight fellow Lizards!

re: #96 SteveRogers

Thanks, I hadn't considered that. It's amazing the amount of disinformation being spread at other blogs that I have seen. I don't even bother reading the comments at Hot Air anymore.

Ditto. And I don't particularly appreciate having the Hot Air &c comments flung about here, as if I'm supposed to care about what happens in cesspools.

LGF is the only blog where I actually read the COMMENTS as well as the posts. The rest are just there for news items/articles.

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

IMO, if someone is using, or approves of using Alinsky/Moonbat tactics, then they are in fact an Alinsky-ite Moonbat, and lose any possible claim to being a conservative what so ever. Period. End of story.

Zackly. You cannot simultaneously hold conservative views and espouse radical methods. I joke about being a member of agnostic jihad, and it's the same contradiction.

re: #101 Sharmuta

I'm thinking there are a fair amount of people out there who are extremely butthurt over the fact that LGF's threads are no longer dominated by Christian creationists and reactionary right-wingers.

re: #77 Sharmuta

It bothers me too, Steve, and I'm not real sure what to make of it. I can understand that people will feel the need to part company over things, but I fail to see what Charles has done so wrong to these folks as to warrant a delinking with no sort of correspondence. Perhaps they have lost respect for Charles so they don't feel the need to do so, but I would think that Charles would at least deserve something from these folks as a token of all the support he's given them in the past. That they can't even grant him that speaks more about them than it speaks about Charles, imo.

Their answer (most likely): "He turned that place into another KOS! It's full of liberals pushing democrat talking points! It's an Obama lovefest there!"

Which shows they (fit into 1 or more of these)
A. Didn't "get it" in the first place.
B. Don't pay much attention.
C. Are intellectually dishonest.

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

IMO, if someone is using, or approves of using Alinsky/Moonbat tactics, then they are in fact an Alinsky-ite Moonbat, and lose any possible claim to being a conservative what so ever. Period. End of story.

Excellent! That is really quite profound. The far right has become the left in terms of challenging the established regime both politically and socially. In the strained and conscious unity of their social, cultural, and political concerns, they resemble the 60s counterculture more than they do any previous "conservative" movement.

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel

I had a moment of profundity?!? I'm calling my mom and rubbing that in her face. Ha! That'll show her.
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re: #79 Sharmuta

I think when it was more anti-jihad people were in their comfort zone. Now that it's filled with more nuances, it has become uncomfortable for the terminally obtuse. S/he who yells loudest or is the most over-the-top isn't going to cut it.

Charles has confronted a lot of things head-on that forces people to become a little more introspective, and forces some from their happy place. If there's been any exodus or shunning, I suspect it's from those that are still happy to confront issues with all the grace of bulls in a China shop.

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

IMO, if someone is using, or approves of using Alinsky/Moonbat tactics, then they are in fact an Alinsky-ite Moonbat, and lose any possible claim to being a conservative what so ever. Period. End of story.

I keep saying it's Rules for Radicals- Right Wing Version.

It's quite true. And these are tactics that have been denounced for years by the right, but now they fail to see how they're employing them and/or are not bothered by them. Some are even advocating adopting them quite openly.

I find this embrace of radical tactics to be highly disturbing. Radicalism mixed with the right has a not so pretty history, and those following along with these tactics need to step back and examine what it is they're really following.

I know this is petty and wrong, and I will not link to them, but I feel as if I have arrived!

After all of the discussion about it, I decided to look briefly at the truly crazy blog that stalks this one.

And they hate me!

I now feel like a true lizard.

:)

re: #113 Sharmuta

The common excuse is "It got them [Dems] elected". This excuse is not only childish and stupid, it also completely misses the point.

It would be like me missing one meal, on one day, and resorting to eating human flesh, offering the excuse "Well, the cannibals do it too, and they don't go hungry".

re: #52 SteveRogers

Anyone know what the deal with JammieWearingFool is?

Did he flounce?

re: #81 SteveRogers

You can also throw mediocre leadership in there. The GOP needs leaders that can communicate effectively and take the narrative away from the MSM and the left.
They should get Liz Cheney to train Republicans in the most effective ways to communicate while shredding the traps that many in the MSM set. She's very good at seizing the narrative from hostile interviewers.

the same Liz Cheney that supports torture and wouldn't denounce the truthers?

re: #114 LudwigVanQuixote

I really don't mean to burst your bubble, dude, but hating is the main pastime of haters. It's like an occupation to them.

Getting them to hate you is on par with getting a crack whore to give you a BJ. You could practically do it in your sleep.

Sorry. ;)
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re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #112 theheat

A lot changed when the crypto-fascist mask fell off the counter-jihad movement. That was the first "big" change at LGF in more recent history. The next was intelligent design/evolution and now we have the radicalization of the right. I don't see these as unrelated, and if you consider it for awhile, maybe you'll see it too.

What I do find interesting is that a few of these bloggers who have stabbed Charles in the back were more than willing to take his side in the crypto-fascist debate, yet they're still linking to blogs with close ties to fascists and/or some with looser ties. I would like to think they were sincere here and are not in agreement with the agendas of the fascist enablers, but who can really say now? If they could flip out on Charles over things without so much as an explanation, how can I be so sure of the rest of their character that they weren't just paying lip service concerning VB?

I'm sure even considering this possibility will offend, but then- I'm not the one stabbing someone in the back who supported me for years. Actions have consequences, and if any of these bloggers thinks I'm questioning their character- I am.

re: #114 LudwigVanQuixote

I've gone there like three times in the past year since all the flouncing, to see if I recognized any flounces, but I can't get past the first page. That site is completely off the rails. Just today, they're patting Wilson on the back, for example.

I had to laugh a bit, since below that they're talking about the WH enlisting artists to illustrate various government messages and pet projects. Because, you know, the art community can't wait to resurrect they heyday of good ole commie posters.

Even more disturbing than learning that the White House and NEA are using the arts to address specific issues, is to learn what was discussed on this new conference call. Rosenbaum mentions that there was much talk of “leveraging federal dollars” to get artists and cultural organizations involved in social-service projects.

Right now, Goya would be pissing his pants, laughing.

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

I really don't mean to burst your bubble, dude, but hating is the main pastime of haters. It's like an occupation to them.

Getting them to hate you is on par with getting a crack whore to give you a BJ. You could practically do it in your sleep.

Sorry. ;)
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I know... it is not much of an accomplishment, but the idea is something like if they hate me, then I must be doing something right.

re: #114 LudwigVanQuixote

A word of advice- guard your personal information online like never before.

re: #122 Sharmuta

A word of advice- guard your personal information online like never before.

Taken. Why in G-d's name though would they bother?

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

You can ignore my previous comment. Obviously I'm just jealous of you because they haven't mentioned me.
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Actually, I have no idea if they have or not.

re: #122 Sharmuta

Actually, I'm sending you a mail...

re: #119 Sharmuta

Succinctly, I don't dig on the whole red meat aspect of the right's current political platform. Whereas their diets consist only of red meat, and they're empowered throwing sides of beef to the madding hordes.

re: #123 LudwigVanQuixote

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #127 ArchangelMichael

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Great...

re: #127 ArchangelMichael

Where the hell did you get my gawt-damned biography from? That has never been published and I have the only copy.

I'll be watching you. Closely.
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re: #119 Sharmuta

If you know what and where to look, it's obvious that some people were playing lip service or were capable of flipping 180 on certain subjects overnight.

Flounce Women, c. 1944

Another thing I see a lot of is "I know these things are wrong, BUT..."

usually followed by "We have more important things to worry about right now", "It's not worth making a big deal over", "X is much worse than Y" or "They did it first" or some variation of those. As if that makes any of this crap alright.

re: #132 ArchangelMichael

LOL! Did you ever see my list of fascist excuses?

re: #133 Sharmuta

*Morpheus voice*

"Show me..."

Sharmuta's List of Fascist Excuses

Aligning with fascists is exceptable because:

A) The situation is dire
B) We're not there so we can't understand
C) There is no such thing as political purity
D) The crypto-fascists are not as bad as you think they are
E) Charles Johnson is a hedonistic nihilist utopian neo-con leftist
F) A combination of any or all of the above

Well, duty calls. I have a big glass of milk and a slice of cherry pie, and a truly campy horror movie on for background noise. Doesn't get much better in my book.

Besides, I have to get cracking on those commie art posters.

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re: #135 Sharmuta

Sharmuta's List of Fascist Excuses

Aligning with fascists is exceptable because:

A) The situation is dire
B) We're not there so we can't understand
C) There is no such thing as political purity
D) The crypto-fascists are not as bad as you think they are
E) Charles Johnson is a hedonistic nihilist utopian neo-con leftist
F) A combination of any or all of the above

G) But I look good in black leather...
H) I can't bend my knees, I have to walk like this...
I) The left were fascists first!!!
J) Do these hip boots make my ass look big?

This is so campy, awful, and corny, that it must be linked:

Tim Hawkins - The Government Can

re: #137 LudwigVanQuixote

My list was actually what a lot of people were saying at that time- just stunning. We'd have to make a whole new list for the Rules for Radicals- Right Wing Version excuses:

A) They were radicals first!

Another for ID excuses:

A) It's only a theory!

You get the idea.

I'm making a fun new mail... for LGF only...

My nic is blue...

re: #141 ludwigvanquixote

That is correct.

is it now?

re: #143 LudwigVanQuixote

is it now?

You run Bartertown! You FIX IT!

re: #141 ludwigvanquixote

It's working- I tested it and it's a different email from the one we've been using, though I'm sticking to the email we've been using.

For a lurking Archie:

re: #144 ArchangelMichael

Who run Martyrtown?

/Master-Beckster

re: #146 Sharmuta

OH from back when I really liked U2.

I'm procrastinating going to sleep. Watching Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

This weeks Horoscope, for the Virgos:

Virgo Aug 23 - Sep 22

Virgos are known for their submissive nature, weak and cowardly attitude, and tendency to just sit there and nod along while the stars openly shit all over them.

re: #146 Sharmuta

Hi, Sharmuta. How old is Bono there; 15? What is an Archie?

re: #150 BatGuano

I think she meant me but I don't know for sure.

re: #151 ArchangelMichael

I don't know either.I exist in a perpetual state of cluelessness. It's kind of nice, really. :)

re: #148 ArchangelMichael

Watching Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

I hate you./

Incidentally, I can't find a copy of the original Mad Max for rent in any store near me.

I've got a VHS copy with an American english over dub, but it just ain't the same without the Aussie accents. :(

re: #150 BatGuano

Bono sure is young and cute back then- at least imo.

"Archie" is MrPaulRevere. He used to post under the nic MrArchieBunker, but decided to trade that in for another nic. When he did so, he mentioned it on a thread, to which I said "Oh, Archie!" but it was hard to detect my Edith Bunker impression. I've been calling him Archie ever since though. Also- seems he logged out before he saw the U2. Better luck another night.

re: #132 ArchangelMichael

Another thing I see a lot of is "I know these things are wrong, BUT..."

usually followed by "We have more important things to worry about right now", "It's not worth making a big deal over", "X is much worse than Y" or "They did it first" or some variation of those. As if that makes any of this crap alright.

You are absolutely correct. But as with all things, a little moderation is in order. If we must all oppose all distasteful things in equal measure, then we must admit to failure before any effort is made. Some things we clearly cannot abide in a friend. Others, we may simply voice reservations about. It is the setting of this line between unacceptable and acceptable if none too comforting, not the identification of all distasteful things, which is important.

re: #135 Sharmuta

Sharmuta's List of Fascist Excuses

Aligning with fascists is exceptable because:

A) The situation is dire
B) We're not there so we can't understand
C) There is no such thing as political purity
D) The crypto-fascists are not as bad as you think they are
E) Charles Johnson is a hedonistic nihilist utopian neo-con leftist
F) A combination of any or all of the above

acceptable?

re: #156 haakondahl

Yeah- too late to hit preview on that bad boy nao. ;)

Going out for sushi!

Haight when that happens.

re: #153 Slumbering Behemoth

Now listen up! I ain't Captain Walker. I'm the guy that keeps Mr Dead in his pocket. I say we're gonna stay here and we're gonna live a long time and we're gonna be thankful, right?

re: #154 Sharmuta

That's funny. I can hear, "Archie!" in Jean Stapletons shrill character voice now.

Just posted in spin-offs:
Wilson calls W.H., apologizes to Rahm

Wilson's boorish behavior could be dismissed if it were an isolated incident. But it isn't an isolated incident. With the right-wing media lords inciting their followers to act like 68 Chicago Convention rioters, it becomes much more significant and looks more and more like part of a concerted strategy. Whether it really is makes more difference, it is part of the pattern.

re: #160 ArchangelMichael

Heh!

re: #162 Shiplord Kirel

Just posted in spin-offs:
Wilson calls W.H., apologizes to Rahm

Wilson's boorish behavior could be dismissed if it were an isolated incident. But it isn't an isolated incident. With the right-wing media lords inciting their followers to act like 68 Chicago Convention rioters, it becomes much more significant and looks more and more like part of a concerted strategy. Whether it really is makes more difference, it is part of the pattern.

"makes NO difference..."

PIMF

Slipping a "you're a liar" is the same as acting like 1968 Chicago Convention nuts? I'm obviously not defending the guy because it's not classy, but isn't that a stretch?

re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth

I just realized something. When they left the oasis to go find Savannah and the kids that went looking for "Tomorrowmorrow Land", they left most of the kids behind. After they escape Bartertown with Pigkiller, Master, and meet up with the pilot... they go to the ruins of Sydney.

Do they ever go back and get the kids they left behind? They couldn't all fit in that Transavia PL-12 at the same time.

re: #165 TheMatrix31

That's not what Shiplord said.

re: #165 TheMatrix31

Slipping a "you're a liar" is the same as acting like 1968 Chicago Convention nuts? I'm obviously not defending the guy because it's not classy, but isn't that a stretch?

I didn't say Wilson was acting like the rioters, I said the media are encouraging their followers to act like them. That is not a stretch, only the scale is different since tea parties and townhalls are not quite as large as a national political convention. An incident in which someone throws a punch and gets his finger bitten off is not materially worse than the events in Chicago.
I was an eyewitness to the Chicago riots, btw. My mom was a delegate and my dad and I trailed along. I'll never forget the tear gas wafting into our hotel or being afraid to go out in public for fear of being mistaken for a rioter.

Good morning LGF

Ah, it's late. My bad.

re: #169 Spare O'Lake

Good morning, Spare O'Lake!

re: #166 ArchangelMichael

Those kids were obviously commie RINOs, that's why they got left behind.
/

G'nite Lizards. Stay scaly.

re: #172 Slumbering Behemoth

Those kids were obviously commie RINOs, that's why they got left behind.
/

G'nite Lizards. Stay scaly.

No commie RINO left behind!

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel

"With the right-wing media lords inciting their followers to act like 68 Chicago Convention rioters..."

By right-wing media lords, do you mean Fox News, Rush, Hannity, etc?

re: #170 TheMatrix31

Ah, it's late. My bad.

No biggie. Helps keep me more or less on the rails at this indecent hour.

To my parent's scandalized horror, I was a Nixon supporter in '68, though too young to vote (I was 19, voting age was still 21).

I remember watching from the window as some Chicago cops ran down a hippie who was waving a Vietcong flag and beat the snot out of him. I thought, yeah, Nixon must be loving this. I learned some years later that that had been exactly his reaction.

re: #169 Spare O'Lake

Good morning LGF

Morning? Are we up too early or are we up too late?

/too late- good night, LGF!

re: #176 Sharmuta

Good night, Sharmuta.

{BatGuano}

re: #174 BatGuano

"With the right-wing media lords inciting their followers to act like 68 Chicago Convention rioters..."

By right-wing media lords, do you mean Fox News, Rush, Hannity, etc?

Pretty much, yes. I have used the term "leftwing media lords" for years, and probably will again, so it seemed a good counterpart.

re: #175 Shiplord Kirel

You are one up on me. I was 13 and watched on tv from Oregon.I was also a Nixon supporter at the time.

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel

Fair enough.

re: #165 TheMatrix31

Slipping a "you're a liar" is the same as acting like 1968 Chicago Convention nuts? I'm obviously not defending the guy because it's not classy, but isn't that a stretch?

Back then the "man" was much more dangerous than the whacko protesters.

re: #172 Slumbering Behemoth

Those kids were obviously commie RINOs, that's why they got left behind.
/

G'nite Lizards. Stay scaly.

Well lets see.

They were looking for a utopia not realizing they were in the best place they could be at the time.

They don't realize the world is a dangerous place filled with a lot of bad people.

Their view of history is all screwed up.

They dont bathe.

Yep sounds like commies to me.

re: #176 Sharmuta

Morning? Are we up too early or are we up too late?

/too late- good night, LGF!

Good night ya bluish smurfish.

re: #182 Spare O'Lake

After the convention, Mayor Daly said, " The police were not there to create disorder, they were there to preserve disorder". I'm looking for at least the audio. I had it on my hard drive a few years ago, but that hard drive crashed.

re: #183 ArchangelMichael

Well lets see.

They were looking for a utopia not realizing they were in the best place they could be at the time.

They don't realize the world is a dangerous place filled with a lot of bad people.

Their view of history is all screwed up.

They dont bathe.

Yep sounds like commies to me.

The radical ones like Hoffman and Rubin were more like a combo of anarchism and isolationism than communism, really. Yippies.
And the "flower children" were none of the above - they were just...stoned.

re: #180 BatGuano

You are one up on me. I was 13 and watched on tv from Oregon.I was also a Nixon supporter at the time.

We had a fifth floor room a mile or so from the convention so I had a real ringside seat for a lot of it. The pattern was for a mob of protesters to march down the street toward the convention center, then throw rocks bottles, and bags of shit, scream obscentities, expose themselves, jump on cars, wave Chicom and VC flags, break windows, etc. until the cops charged. The rioters would run the opposite direction and the cops would beat the ones they caught to a bloody pulp. It says a lot for Chicago police technique that nobody was killed outright. Several times, the cops approached from two or more directions and managed to trap a mob of hippies, who then received a mass beating.

If you're a member of Congress and cannot help screaming at the president during his speech in your building, you just might wanna' stay home.

re: #186 Spare O'Lake

drugged up nor laup supporters on crack

3:10 to Yuma (2007 version) is a DAMN good movie.

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel

How are the stitches?

re: #191 MandyManners

How are the stitches?

Actually a little more sore than yesterday, as expected. The wound is starting to heal though. Thankfully no sign of infection.
Thanks for asking.

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel

We had a fifth floor room a mile or so from the convention so I had a real ringside seat for a lot of it. The pattern was for a mob of protesters to march down the street toward the convention center, then throw rocks bottles, and bags of shit, scream obscenities, expose themselves, jump on cars, wave Chicom and VC flags, break windows, etc. until the cops charged. The rioters would run the opposite direction and the cops would beat the ones they caught to a bloody pulp. It says a lot for Chicago police technique that nobody was killed outright. Several times, the cops approached from two or more directions and managed to trap a mob of hippies, who then received a mass beating.

PRIDE
INTEGRITY
GUTS

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel

Actually a little more sore than yesterday, as expected. The wound is starting to heal though. Thankfully no sign of infection.
Thanks for asking.

When will the itching start?

Oh, good gracious. What's wrong with me? Ignore that.

re: #194 MandyManners

When will the itching start?

Already has but I've been warned that it will get worse.

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel

I checked youtube and there is plenty on that. Police techniques have changed since then to contain crowds with a minimum of violence. In 1996, I met an ex Chicago cop who was a rookie at the time.He was scared shitless and responded like a scared young kid with a baton.

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel

We had a fifth floor room a mile or so from the convention so I had a real ringside seat for a lot of it. The pattern was for a mob of protesters to march down the street toward the convention center, then throw rocks bottles, and bags of shit, scream obscentities, expose themselves, jump on cars, wave Chicom and VC flags, break windows, etc. until the cops charged. The rioters would run the opposite direction and the cops would beat the ones they caught to a bloody pulp. It says a lot for Chicago police technique that nobody was killed outright. Several times, the cops approached from two or more directions and managed to trap a mob of hippies, who then received a mass beating.

It took them 40 years but, I think they succeeded in taking over America.

I went to one of the dem conv. demo's just to see what was happening saw it got my ass out of there.

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel

We had a fifth floor room a mile or so from the convention so I had a real ringside seat for a lot of it. The pattern was for a mob of protesters to march down the street toward the convention center, then throw rocks bottles, and bags of shit, scream obscentities, expose themselves, jump on cars, wave Chicom and VC flags, break windows, etc. until the cops charged. The rioters would run the opposite direction and the cops would beat the ones they caught to a bloody pulp. It says a lot for Chicago police technique that nobody was killed outright. Several times, the cops approached from two or more directions and managed to trap a mob of hippies, who then received a mass beating.

It was the spectacle of those kinds of severe beatings which signalled the beginning of the end of mainstream public support for the war.
The four murders at Kent State really turned the tide.

re: #196 Shiplord Kirel

Already has but I've been warned that it will get worse.

I remember when I had dermabrasion done after a moped wreck--it itched beyond belief but, I couldn't scratch it due to scarring. The doctors kept me drugged to the gills.

re: #200 Spare O'Lake

It was the spectacle of those kinds of severe beatings which signalled the beginning of the end of mainstream public support for the war.
The four murders at Kent State really turned the tide.

Did the planners of the demonstrations count on this and use the demonstrators shamelessly?

re: #197 BatGuano

I checked youtube and there is plenty on that. Police techniques have changed since then to contain crowds with a minimum of violence. In 1996, I met an ex Chicago cop who was a rookie at the time.He was scared shitless and responded like a scared young kid with a baton.

The rioters really were scary though their bark was a lot worse than their bite by most accounts. The cops really were subjected to an unbelievable amount of provocation. It had been going on all day, too, while the media coverage really only started after 5.
The context is important too: there had been 3 summers of lethal race riots in big cities, where rioters were often armed and willing to kill. The convention took place only a couple of months after the massive, nationwide rioting that followed the MLK assassination. The cops were prepared for that and little else, an orchestrated media event, propaganda by provocation, was a new idea and quite alien to big city police departments.

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel

The rioters really were scary though their bark was a lot worse than their bite by most accounts. The cops really were subjected to an unbelievable amount of provocation. It had been going on all day, too, while the media coverage really only started after 5.
The context is important too: there had been 3 summers of lethal race riots in big cities, where rioters were often armed and willing to kill. The convention took place only a couple of months after the massive, nationwide rioting that followed the MLK assassination. The cops were prepared for that and little else, an orchestrated media event, propaganda by provocation, was a new idea and quite alien to big city police departments.

What's Alinksy's rule about using the enemy's values against it, in this case the right to assemble and speak?

re: #204 MandyManners

What's Alinksy's rule about using the enemy's values against it, in this case the right to assemble and speak?

It was a trap and the cops walked right into it. A lot of small fry got broken bones and crushed noses but the protest leaders could not have hoped for a better result.

re: #202 MandyManners

Did the planners of the demonstrations count on this and use the demonstrators shamelessly?

Not sure, but provocation was definitely part of the plan. The Yippies were pretty ruthless, but I think Kent State was a different kettle of fish - it got way out of hand.

re: #202 MandyManners

YES!

Gotta go aggravate some folks offline for awhile.
Laters, gators.

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

Later, Spare.

re: #205 Shiplord Kirel

It was a trap and the cops walked right into it. A lot of small fry got broken bones and crushed noses but the protest leaders could not have hoped for a better result.

Were Alinksy's Rules known back then?

re: #202 MandyManners

Did the planners of the demonstrations count on this and use the demonstrators shamelessly?

And that excuses the beatings in any way, shape, or form?

re: #206 Spare O'Lake

Not sure, but provocation was definitely part of the plan. The Yippies were pretty ruthless, but I think Kent State was a different kettle of fish - it got way out of hand.

I know provocation was the plan but, did the leaders figure it would get as wild as it did?

re: #207 yochanan

YES!

I lived in a suburb then but, I was a wee one. I do remember my dad took a few days to stay at home.

re: #211 Coracle

And that excuses the beatings in any way, shape, or form?

Don't put words into my mouth.

Has anyone ever heckled a president speaking before Congress?

Mike "The Spankster" Duvall has resigned.

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Speaking of kinks...

Playboy boss Hugh Hefner has filed legal papers to put an end to his marriage to Kimberly Conrad - 11 years after the couple split.

The ageing lothario has romanced a bevy of beauties since he and former Playboy Playmate Conrad parted ways in 1998, but he has only recently taken action to legally dissolve the union.

Hefner filed documents in Los Angeles County Superior Court last Friday, requesting a judge set spousal support at $20,000 per month, according to TMZ.com.

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FCBBHO has accepted Wilson's apology.

Good Morning fun seekers. I have successfully navigated the complexities of airport security with the assistance of a crack TSA team.
I am very excited.

ACORN caught on tape telling people how to avoid paying taxes and how to write off hookers' charges.

re: #218 MandyManners

FCBBHO has accepted Wilson's apology.

His yell was correct, but tasteless.

re: #219 opnion

Good Morning fun seekers. I have successfully navigated the complexities of airport security with the assistance of a crack TSA team.
I am very excited.

Dignity intact?

re: #220 MandyManners

ACORN caught on tape telling people how to avoid paying taxes and how to write off hookers' charges.

Wait a minute, are you saying that hooker charges are not a write off?
Here comes the audit.

re: #221 opnion

His yell was correct, but tasteless.

Has any other president been heckled when speechifying before Congress?

re: #220 MandyManners

ACORN caught on tape telling people how to avoid paying taxes and how to write off hookers' charges.

I think some ACORN people in Florida have arrest warrants out for them. Can't find the linky right now.

re: #223 opnion

Wait a minute, are you saying that hooker charges are not a write off?
Here comes the audit.

And, you just thought the TSA folks were intrusive.

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think some ACORN people in Florida have arrest warrants out for them. Can't find the linky right now.

I read that yesterday at foxnews.com.

re: #222 MandyManners

Dignity intact?

Well after getting wanded, I regained my dignity & continued through the terminal. I am on a hot streak getting through security, it is very exciting.

re: #226 MandyManners

And, you just thought the TSA folks were intrusive.

Hmmm, this could be bad.

Arrest warrants have been issued in Miami for 11 people suspected of falsifying information on hundreds of voter registration cards -- including registering the name of the late actor Paul Newman -- the Florida state attorney told FOXNews.com.

The FBI and state authorities took seven people into custody Wednesday as it issued 11 arrest warrants for voter registration fraud in Homestead, Fla., in June 2008.

Florida state attorney Katherine Fernandez-Rundle said 11 workers hired to register voters by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- or ACORN -- submitted 888 fraudulent names. She said the names included people who were already registered voters, fictitious names, and the name of the late actor Paul Newman, who died in Sept. 2008.

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re: #228 opnion

Well after getting wanded, I regained my dignity & continued through the terminal. I am on a hot streak getting through security, it is very exciting.

Similar to having three shots of espresso?

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Good Morning fun seekers. I have successfully navigated the complexities of airport security with the assistance of a crack TSA team.

"Full body cavity search. Roto Rooter" Beavis and Butthead do America

re: #229 opnion

Hmmm, this could be bad.

Just come clean.

re: #232 BatGuano

Good night/Morning all. Obviously I need sleep.

Did ya notice that Obama lost 16,000 uninsured last night.
The number went from 46,000 to 30,000.
Let me guess, he carved out illegals. He can then fast track them to legal
& presto the number becomes 46,000 again.
BHO is a freaking genius!

Thank God American Idol named a new judge. The weeping can finally stop.
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re: #231 MandyManners

Similar to having three shots of espresso?

The same kind of euphoric feeling & I get to do it again tomorrow.

re: #237 opnion

The same kind of euphoric feeling & I get to do it again tomorrow.

You want a rush? Start a meth lab in a trailer in central Florida.

re: #232 BatGuano

Good Morning fun seekers. I have successfully navigated the complexities of airport security with the assistance of a crack TSA team.

"Full body cavity search. Roto Rooter" Beavis and Butthead do America

It wasn't that bad. Thaes TSA guys were not creative.

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The same kind of euphoric feeling & I get to do it again tomorrow.

I don't miss flying.

re: #238 Cannadian Club Akbar

You want a rush? Start a meth lab in a trailer in central Florida.

Been there, done that.

re: #238 Cannadian Club Akbar

You want a rush? Start a meth lab in a trailer in central Florida.

Ain't nothing like the rush of a SWAT team kicking in a door!

re: #240 MandyManners

I don't miss flying.

It is just a hassle. I drive whenever I can.

re: #241 opnion

Been there, done that.

Didja' get a bright orange T-shirt, too?

re: #233 MandyManners

Just come clean.

Nah, I need another strategy, any ideaS?

re: #244 MandyManners

Didja' get a bright orange T-shirt, too?

Yeah & made some real interesting new friends.

Airports are the only places in America where you can start drinking at 7 AM and nobody cares.

re: #243 opnion

It is just a hassle. I drive whenever I can.

The last time I flew was into Stapleton. Just as the nose touched down, we took off almost vertically. After we got aloft and somewhat level, the pilot came on the intercom and told us that we would land shortly. It turned out that there was another plane on the tarmac, crossing in front of us. I was in 1A so I would've one of the first to die in a blaze. Once I got into the terminal, I got down on my kness and kissed the floor and swore that I would never again fly.

re: #245 opnion

Nah, I need another strategy, any ideaS?

Turks and Caicos.

re: #248 MandyManners

The last time I flew was into Stapleton. Just as the nose touched down, we took off almost vertically. After we got aloft and somewhat level, the pilot came on the intercom and told us that we would land shortly. It turned out that there was another plane on the tarmac, crossing in front of us. I was in 1A so I would've one of the first to die in a blaze. Once I got into the terminal, I got down on my kness and kissed the floor and swore that I would never again fly.

First class elitist.
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Yeah & made some real interesting new friends.

Good thing you don't have a purdy mouth.

re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar

First class elitist.
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Guilty. I've never flown coach in my life. I figured that if I'm gonna' get my knickers in a twist, I might as well do it in style.

re: #248 MandyManners

The last time I flew was into Stapleton. Just as the nose touched down, we took off almost vertically. After we got aloft and somewhat level, the pilot came on the intercom and told us that we would land shortly. It turned out that there was another plane on the tarmac, crossing in front of us. I was in 1A so I would've one of the first to die in a blaze. Once I got into the terminal, I got down on my kness and kissed the floor and swore that I would never again fly.

Seriously, you swore it off after that?
My issues are getting to the airport & the long scurity lines. I feel safe flying, although flying home from Denve rone time the wing took a lightening hit & I saw it. Now that was more fun than I wanted.

Do CNN or MSNBC have the story about ACORN voter-registration fraud?

re: #251 MandyManners

Good thing you don't have a purdy mouth.

yup, & i Didn't squeal like a pig, Wee Wee!

Oh, my stars! This ACORN tape is disgusting.

re: #249 MandyManners

Turks and Caicos.

Shhh, how did you know?

re: #256 MandyManners

Oh, my stars! This ACORN tape is disgusting.

What tape?
Where did you find it?