Hoffman Vows to Continue Storming the Castle

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Meet the next hero of the tea party movement: In NY-23, Hoffman Vows to ‘Continue This Fight’.

“I can guarantee you the political world hasn’t seen the last of me,” the Conservative Party candidate told Washington Wire today, after losing the closely watched special House election in upstate New York to Democrat Bill Owens.

“I’m going to make sure that going forward, either I will decide to run again for something or I will help other people to get involved and run to make sure that we continue this fight,” Hoffman said by telephone from his campaign headquarters in Saranac Lake, N.Y.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:35:34am

Meet the next hero of the tea party movement:

"You lie!"
/Jealous Joe Wilson

Sharmuta Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:36:02am

“I’m going to make sure that going forward, either I will decide to run again for something or I will help other people to get involved and run to make sure that we continue this fight,” Hoffman said by telephone from his campaign headquarters in Saranac Lake, N.Y.

Translation: we haven't quite hit bedrock yet, so we'll keep going.

abolitionist Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:36:16am

Quick. Everyone into the moat.

lawhawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:39:01am

We'll keep fighting? Oh really? And in which district will that be Doug? NY-23? Or the one that represents Lake Placid where you live, NY-20?

Sharmuta Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:39:09am

re: #3 abolitionist

Quick. Everyone into the moat.

The moat would be a better choice considering the odious infestation within the walls, and they're trying to close the gate.

Ojoe Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:39:19am

"Continue the fight." Pffiibbiittth.™

Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:39:55am

Lol...

Well, these people have faith... I'll give them that.

Ojoe Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:40:04am

Pffiibbiittth.

BBL

SixDegrees Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:40:14am

So, what? He's going to start carpetbagging around the country, looking for political positions to run for? Or is he just going to join the gadfly circuit, currently filled with those who have never held public office and those who have quit them when the going got tough, and tell others what sort of people should occupy those positions?

webevintage Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:40:24am

Maybe next time he runs he will take a bit of time to learn a bit about the local issues that matter to the voters.
It is amazing how that minus the Palin/Beck support can get one elected.

erraticsphinx Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:40:42am

LOL Rush : "This was not a defeat for conservatism."

Then what was it? A defeat for moderates (funny, considering how they won)?

NJDhockeyfan Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:40:48am

Here's a take from a local (NY) blogger.

Hoffman's national crusade falls short in a local House race

I think my first sense that something was wrong in the Hoffman Wave came around 8pm. I arrived at the Hotel Saranac to find a distinctly underwhelming crowd.

There were plenty of reporters. Fox News had set up an entire studio, so that Sean Hannity could capture the moment of Doug Hoffman's victory.

But where were the crowds of grassroots supporters? Where were the hundreds (the tens?) of passionate activists?

For days, polls had showed Hoffman surging. Siena's independent survey put him up five points. Other polls showed the Conservative up by double-digit margins.

I was convinced that the "passion index" favored Hoffman. And Republicans were behind him now, too, right?

But then I noticed something else: No Republican leaders. Jim Ellis was there from Tupper Lake -- but no sign of state Senator Betty Little. No phalanx of GOP-allies.

I shrugged it off. The people who were on hand were passionate, funny, confident. These were mostly local folks from the Adirondacks.

Conservative, yes. But Glenn Beck crazy? No.

[snip]

Kragar Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:40:58am

He make a book deal yet?

Ojoe Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:41:31am

Notice how I have not said

Whi

Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:43:54am

It's official, we've been evicted...
Cato: The GOP Should Dump the Neocons

The neocons are predictably enthused about the prospect of a prolonged U.S. occupation there. A dozen or so of them recently sent a letter to President Obama urging him to up the ante. Astonishingly, the president who was elected as the antiwar left's protest candidate appears poised to take the neocons' advice and commit tens of thousands more troops to a conflict in which immediate U.S. interests are unclear at best.
...
The "tea parties" and town hall meetings are essentially libertarian. There is no conservative policy agenda -- only a demand that the government stop trying to run our lives.

Republicans should take this opportunity to return to their traditional noninterventionist roots and throw their neoconservative wing under the bus. The Republicans have a chance at this moment to reclaim the mantle of the party of nonintervention -- in your healthcare, in your wallet and in the affairs of other nations.

Normally this isolationist nonsense was left to Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. It's now a mainstream view on the right.

karmic_inquisitor Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:44:43am

Have fun storming the castle!

alexknyc Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:45:55am

Reposted from previous thread:

Interesting to note that both successful GOP candidates were moderates. Exactly the kind of people the right-wing extremists want to purge from the party.

Apparently, they want to be an ideologically pure permanent minority. Maybe the Whigs can give them pointers.

These are the people who would claim Christie and McDonbell are insufficiently pro-life because they don't want to prosecute doctors and women.

These are the people who would claim they are insufficiently anti-gay marriage because they don't believe homosexuality is a mortal sin.

These are the people who will kill the GOP as a viable national party.

You don't win elections by demonizing and purging the very people whose votes you need to win.

Mark Pennington Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:46:00am

Bachmann-Palin Overdrive will not give up!!!

karmic_inquisitor Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:46:05am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

It's official, we've been evicted...
Cato: The GOP Should Dump the Neocons

Normally this isolationist nonsense was left to Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. It's now a mainstream view on the right.

Yipeee.

I am now free.

Free at last, free at last. Thank God almighty, free at last.

(Borrowed from a great Republican who was later rejected by the party.)

bratwurst Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:46:30am

re: #18 beekiller

Bachmann-Palin Overdrive will not give up!!!

Ain't seen nothing yet!

MandyManners Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:46:32am

'Tis but a scratch.

Youtube Video

Honorary Yooper Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:47:11am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

It's official, we've been evicted...
Cato: The GOP Should Dump the Neocons

Normally this isolationist nonsense was left to Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. It's now a mainstream view on the right.

Mainstream to the Paleocons. I say the time has come to part ways with the Paleos and leave them in the Stone Age where they belong.

This is a split that has been a long time in the making, and quite frankly, I'm not sorry to let the Paleos go and make assholes of themselves. To paraphrase another asshole, "screw them".

subsailor68 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:47:21am

I confess that I didn't know much about Mr. Hoffman, and hadn't seen or listened to him speak. But last night I was flipping around the channels, and happened to catch (O'Reilly? - can't remember) a piece where Hoffman was sitting between Fred Thompson and some lady who's involved in politics somehow.

It was truly eerie. Mr. Hoffman just sat there, hardly moving, saying nothing - while Fred Thompson and this woman did all the talking. And he sat there with this odd little grin on his face.

And the strangest part was, in those few instances where Hoffman actually did say something, I couldn't see Fred Thompson's right arm! But I swear I could see Thompson's lips moving.

MandyManners Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:47:26am

I'M INVINCIBLE!

Ojoe Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:48:03am

re: #24 MandyManners

You're a loony !

Honorary Yooper Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:48:43am

re: #16 karmic_inquisitor

Have fun storming the castle!

Think it'll work?

It would take a miracle.

Honorary Yooper Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:49:29am

re: #24 MandyManners

I'M INVINCIBLE!

And it was then that the tank of liquid nitrogen spilled all over Boris.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:49:31am

Hmmm... Palin quits, shes a loser, Hoffman vows not to quit, he's a loser, can't win with some people?

Kragar Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:49:39am

re: #24 MandyManners

I'M INVINCIBLE!

I am immense and immortal!

MandyManners Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:50:22am

re: #16 karmic_inquisitor

Have fun storming the castle!

I fart in your general direction! You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of eldeberries.

Youtube Video

SixDegrees Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:50:47am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I am immense and immortal!

Upding for the MST3K reference.

MandyManners Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:51:19am

re: #25 Ojoe

You're a loony !

You yellow bastard!

Sharmuta Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:51:31am

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Hmmm... Palin quits, shes a loser, Hoffman vows not to quit, he's a loser, can't win with some people?

Both hoffman and palin lost their elections, so yes.

They're both losers.

erraticsphinx Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:51:44am

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

In terms of loserness, I don't Hoffman is up to Palin levels.
But given enough time to learn from the master, he will learn.

erraticsphinx Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:52:01am

re: #34 erraticsphinx

don't think*

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:52:03am

either I will decide to run again for something or I will help other people to get involved

Heck of a battle cry. Somebody warm up his tea a bit. Here, let me try bold:

either I will decide to run again for something or I will help other people to get involved

Eh.

MandyManners Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:52:17am

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Hmmm... Palin quits, shes a loser, Hoffman vows not to quit, he's a loser, can't win with some people?

Maybe if we merge the two they'll nullify each other.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:52:30am

re: #17 alexknyc

Reposted from previous thread:

Interesting to note that both successful GOP candidates were moderates. Exactly the kind of people the right-wing extremists want to purge from the party.

Apparently, they want to be an ideologically pure permanent minority. Maybe the Whigs can give them pointers.

These are the people who would claim Christie and McDonbell are insufficiently pro-life because they don't want to prosecute doctors and women.

These are the people who would claim they are insufficiently anti-gay marriage because they don't believe homosexuality is a mortal sin.

These are the people who will kill the GOP as a viable national party.

You don't win elections by demonizing and purging the very people whose votes you need to win.

And I will say (and I have said it already today) that this can be looked at in just the reverse. Hoffman was highly touted by the right wing nuts, and he lost, and the moderate candidates, who really didn't get a lot of support from the right wing nuts, won.

It goes to show you that there is a moderate base and that it can win.

Looks positive to me.

Sharmuta Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:53:14am

Goldwater conservatives = RINOs!

erraticsphinx Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:54:22am

Your modern day social conservatives.

Gay Judge? NOOOEESSS

MandyManners Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:55:33am

Did he get his instructions from some moistened bint?

Youtube Video

Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:55:47am

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

And I will say (and I have said it already today) that this can be looked at in just the reverse. Hoffman was highly touted by the right wing nuts, and he lost, and the moderate candidates, who really didn't get a lot of support from the right wing nuts, won.

It goes to show you that there is a moderate base and that it can win.

Looks positive to me.

But, of course, the progressives will not look at it in the way I have detailed above. For one thing, it blows their whole meme that the right wing nuts run the party.

But, it's not been ignored by the press. Google "Obama referendum elections" and see how many MAJOR news agencies are giving Obama and the progressives a little taste of their own medicine.

bosforus Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:55:56am

re: #40 erraticsphinx

Your modern day social conservatives.

Gay Judge? NOOOEESSS

Sorry. Didn't make it past the jean ad.

CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:56:07am

re: #40 erraticsphinx

Your modern day social conservatives.

Gay Judge? NOOOEESSS

Openly gay judge? What, does he wear a rainbow robe or something?

Sharmuta Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:56:12am

re: #40 erraticsphinx

Your modern day social conservatives.

Gay Judge? NOOOEESSS

Unbelievable!

avanti Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:57:33am

"Steele Throws Elbow to Palin, Pawlenty on NY-23"

Steele

jvic Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:57:47am

Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman promised he’ll be back.

DNC Chairman Tim Kaine and White House spokesman Robert Gibbs welcomed Hoffman's announcement and complimented the Conservative candidate.

"We look forward to competing with conservatives like Doug Hoffman for years to come," Kaine said.

erraticsphinx Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:58:49am

re: #40 erraticsphinx

The most telling line is the last line in that article:

For many ardent GOP voters, though, the senators have gone too far.

As Lambert put it: "I certainly don't think that is in keeping with what their constituents want."

Heh. These are the people the GOP has been making love (very straight love, that is) to the last few years.

MandyManners Wed, Nov 4, 2009 10:59:44am

How did the Pagan Republican in Queens fare yesterday?

Forget the mayoral, comptroller and public advocate races. The best political show in town is taking place in Bayside, Queens where leaders are wrestling with the question of whether a strong Republican city council nominee should be forced from his race -- just because he's a card-carrying pagan.

The candidate in question is GOP council nominee Dan Halloran who was revealed in a September 17 story in the Queens Tribune to be a member of a religious organization that is, well - heathen. Here's how the Tribune described it:

"Halloran is the 'First Atheling,' or King, of Normandy, a branch of the Theod faith of pre-Christian Heathen religions assembled in the Greater New York area. A group of dedicated fellow pagans swear their allegiance to him through oaths of fidelity, allowing luck from a series of ancient gods - specifically the 'Norse' or 'Germanic' gods Odin, Tyr and Freyr - to pass through the King to his kinsmen."

Hat-tip to Mich-again.

Sharmuta Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:00:31am

re: #46 avanti

"Steele Throws Elbow to Palin, Pawlenty on NY-23"

Steele

Glad to see him showing some spine and speaking the truth:

“I don't see a victory in losing seats,” Steele said. “I'm in the business of multiplication and addition. I want more Republicans. I don't buy that we somehow find victory in defeat.”

He has got to stop the RINO hunting- it's out of hand, and will only weaken the party.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:00:52am

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

Uhh perhaps we are reading different news items, but it looked to me like the right wing nuts split the GOP base such that the GOP candidate withdrew, and then the right got creamed.

If being forced out of the race is a victory for the moderate GOP and or a blow to the pretty clear evidence that the wingnuts have a death grip on the GOP, I fail to see it.

bosforus Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:01:14am

re: #49 MandyManners

How did the Pagan Republican in Queens fare yesterday?

Hat-tip to Mich-again.

The photo caption takes the cake:

Halloran, First Muggle of Hogwarts, or something

subsailor68 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:01:16am

re: #39 Sharmuta

Goldwater conservatives = RINOs!

Hi Sharmuta! Bingo! And quite frankly, I'm getting more than a little tired of it. I'm a conservative with a little tinge of libertarian in me - and I'm really getting a bit put out by people so far out at the end of the political spectrum that they're fifty miles past ultra-violet telling me I'm not "conservative" enough.

Well guess what - my political heroes are Barry Goldwater, William F. Buckley, Jr., and Ronald Reagan. Why? Because all three of them had solid ideas, beautifully put forward, always with good humor and faith in both the country and the American people.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:02:17am

re: #40 erraticsphinx

Your modern day social conservatives.

Gay Judge? NOOOEESSS

"Tim Lambert, president of the Texas Home School Coalition, a former member of the Republican National Committee – and, like nearly all prominent social conservatives in Texas who have picked sides, a Perry supporter – called the recommendation "very unusual and disturbing."

Unusual and disturbing! I want that on a t-shirt SO MUCH.

fizzlogic Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:02:20am

re: #39 Sharmuta

Before I left the GOP I was quoting Goldwater a bit on RW sites. I suspect Goldwater was as much a realist as he was a conservative. He probably would've rejected much of what conservatism is today, even with respect to the dogmatic view of cutting taxes and deregulation.

MandyManners Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:02:23am

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

Uhh perhaps we are reading different news items, but it looked to me like the right wing nuts split the GOP base such that the GOP candidate withdrew, and then the right got creamed.

If being forced out of the race is a victory for the moderate GOP and or a blow to the pretty clear evidence that the wingnuts have a death grip on the GOP, I fail to see it.

NY-23 wasn't the only election yesterday.

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:02:32am

re: #46 avanti

"Steele Throws Elbow to Palin, Pawlenty on NY-23"

Steele

He kinda contradicts himself:

"If you don't live in the district, you don't vote there, your opinion doesn't matter very much," Steele said while assessing the intra-party strife that resulted in a Democratic pick up of a seat held by Republicans since the Civil War.
Steele went on to suggest that the process by which DeDe Scozzafava was selected was a flawed one.

"It serves as an important lesson on how we manage an opportunity to win a seat," Steele said. "And how not to mismanage by putting in a botched process."

I didn't even have to edit it to get that.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:04:01am

re: #56 MandyManners

Fair enough. Who are the sweeping moderate GOP that won?

theheat Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:04:23am

Uber patriot Pat Boone and his ultra hip saggy old skin suit is totally on board for the conservative purge.

Amongst Boone’s list of “political voracious varmints” is Kevin Jennings, founder of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network, who was appointed by Obama as assistant deputy secretary of the Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools within the U.S. Department of Education.
“I believe, figuratively, but in a very real way, we need to tent the White House!” wrote Boone in a commentary for the conservative Christian news site World ~~Net~~ Nut Daily.

Just exactly like Jesus would do. Atta boy, Pat.
//

Sharmuta Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:05:27am

re: #53 subsailor68

Hi Sharmuta! Bingo! And quite frankly, I'm getting more than a little tired of it. I'm a conservative with a little tinge of libertarian in me - and I'm really getting a bit put out by people so far out at the end of the political spectrum that they're fifty miles past ultra-violet telling me I'm not "conservative" enough.

Well guess what - my political heroes are Barry Goldwater, William F. Buckley, Jr., and Ronald Reagan. Why? Because all three of them had solid ideas, beautifully put forward, always with good humor and faith in both the country and the American people.

Reagan gave us the moderate Sandra Day O'Connor, and I'm supposed to think he's a hero to theocrats? It's really sad how we've allowed them to steal our movement- we should steal it back.

fizzlogic Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:05:46am

re: #39 Sharmuta

re: #53 subsailor68

"We're the new liberals of the Republican Party. Can you imagine that?" - Barry Goldwater to Bob Dole, 1996

Bagua Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:05:58am

Once a loser runs for office and, well, loses, he then becomes a perpetual candidate. Can't be a quitter after all.

Doncha just love politics?

Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:06:29am

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

Uhh perhaps we are reading different news items, but it looked to me like the right wing nuts split the GOP base such that the GOP candidate withdrew, and then the right got creamed.

If being forced out of the race is a victory for the moderate GOP and or a blow to the pretty clear evidence that the wingnuts have a death grip on the GOP, I fail to see it.

I agree. I know you fail to see it... that's no mystery. Tell me something exciting and new?

Sharmuta Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:06:32am

re: #61 trendsurfer

re: #53 subsailor68

"We're the new liberals of the Republican Party. Can you imagine that?" - Barry Goldwater to Bob Dole, 1996

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

-Barry Goldwater (November 1994)

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:07:21am

re: #59 theheat

Uber patriot Pat Boone and his ultra hip saggy old skin suit is totally on board for the conservative purge.

Just exactly like Jesus would do. Atta boy, Pat.
//

Pat Boone is a RINO. Only a RINO would record a cover of a Dio song. And he's really one to dis gays wearing that ridiculous shirt.

Bagua Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:07:32am

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

I agree. I know you fail to see it... that's no mystery. Tell me something exciting and new?

LOL, You're in rare form today Walter!

Soundboard Fez Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:07:46am

Doug needs to understand that the next time around, there will be a couple hundred other races for the national loudmouths and grassroots donors to pay attention to. He's yesterday's news now.

Teh Flowah Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:09:51am

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Hmmm... Palin quits, shes a loser, Hoffman vows not to quit, he's a loser, can't win with some people?

You don't see the huge difference between:

1. Quitting mid-term to do.. What does she do again? Speaking events?
2. Losing an election in a district that hasn't gone D in longer than any of us has lived?

CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:10:31am

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

Uhh perhaps we are reading different news items, but it looked to me like the right wing nuts split the GOP base such that the GOP candidate withdrew, and then the right got creamed.

If being forced out of the race is a victory for the moderate GOP and or a blow to the pretty clear evidence that the wingnuts have a death grip on the GOP, I fail to see it.

Look beyond the one House race (D-23) and include the two Governor races that the moderate GOP candidates won with serious independent support. D-23 was a disaster that can be laid solely at the feet of the SoCons, and NJ and VA are an example of the wins that will happen with the "RINOs" that the SoCons are trying to exclude.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:11:59am

re: #66 Bagua

LOL, You're in rare form today Walter!

Thanks. The bottom line is, the GOP won two important races, and they lost one important race, and there is a good reason they lost that one in upstate NY.

The good reason is because the right wing nuts got involved. The other two races, the nuts were not really sticking to much of their noses into it, and the GOP candidates won.

It's plain and simple, you can't change the fact that the nuts and Hoffman lost and you can't change the fact that the moderates and NJ and VA won.

And no amount of spinning, by anyone will change the outcome. And there is no way to deny my statements above.

It's wonderful to see progressives spin and spin and spin... think of all the carbon they are adding to the planet from all that activity?

bosforus Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:13:37am

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

It's wonderful to see progressives spin and spin and spin... think of all the carbon they are adding to the planet from all that activity?

Do you want to be snowed in or not?

Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:14:06am

re: #68 Teh Flowah

You don't see the huge difference between:

1. Quitting mid-term to do.. What does she do again? Speaking events?
2. Losing an election in a district that hasn't gone D in longer than any of us has lived?

I don't see a huge difference between people complaining when someone quits and then complaining when someone stays.

I wasn't making any statement about the election, or the district, or why he lost or why someone else won... did I?

So, what are you talking about?

Ramzy Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:14:09am

re: #16 karmic_inquisitor

But that's not what he said - he distinctly said "to blave" and as we all know, to blave means to bluff, heh? So you were probably playing cards, and he cheated...

/liar!!
//humperdink!!

Sharmuta Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:16:35am

re: #73 Ramzy

Inconceivable!

enoughalready Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:18:36am

But... we have always lived in the castle?

TedStriker Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:18:40am

re: #74 Sharmuta

Inconceivable!

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Locker Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:18:48am

The outcomes, however, also followed recent trends. Since 1989, the party winning the White House has always gone on to lose the gubernatorial races in both states the following year.

cnn.com...

CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:20:05am

Pelosi dismisses impact of New Jersey, Virginia

Most House Democrats tried to put a good face on Tuesday's election results...

They tried to put a good face on it an the best they could come up with was Pelosi?

Good Face Fail.

funky chicken Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:20:14am

Well, he received well over a million dollar in the last couple of weeks, didn't he? I'd guess he has to promise to spend it on political stuff, right?

CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:20:54am

re: #77 Locker

cnn.com...

Since 1989. Nice long term trend there.

Mark Pennington Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:21:08am

This is what I learned from reading the comments on Michelle Malkin:
Winning two governorships yesterday means yesterday was a stunning defeat for the forces of Socialism and a nationwide rejection of Obama, his wife, his children, his friends and Kenyans in general.

cliffster Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:21:48am

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

Agreed. It's really hard to find anything bad about yesterday.

bosforus Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:21:53am

-But what about the ROUS's?
-Republicans of Unusual Stances? I don't think they exist.
[enter Hoffman from stage right]
-ARRGGGHHH!

enoughalready Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:21:59am

re: #77 Locker

Makes sense to me actually. Although I think that had they put up one of these new non-RINO models in either state they would have been defeated faster than you can say disestablishmentarian.

Locker Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:21:59am

re: #80 CyanSnowHawk

Since 1989. Nice long term trend there.

The quote says "recent trend". Perhaps your reading comprehension is down for maintenance.

CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:22:19am

re: #81 beekiller

This is what I learned from reading the comments on Michelle Malkin:
Winning two governorships yesterday means yesterday was a stunning defeat for the forces of Socialism and a nationwide rejection of Obama, his wife, his children, his friends and Kenyans in general.

Hey, I like Kenyans. Their long distance runners are awesome.

Bagua Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:23:23am

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

Indeed! Hoffman's defeat is a GOP win in the larger picture of national politics. If he'd won, the nutters would have gained in strength, now they are pushed back.

This was a blessing for the GOP if it helps avoid similar attacks at the mid-terms, where the real battle will be fought.

avanti Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:24:36am

re: #82 cliffster

Agreed. It's really hard to find anything bad about yesterday.

You might be surprised that I agree, except perhaps the gay marriage vote. I'm still confused about my feeling on that issue.

cliffster Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:25:20am

re: #65 WindUpBird

Pat Boone is a RINO. Only a RINO would record a cover of a Dio song. And he's really one to dis gays wearing that ridiculous shirt.

Wait. Some of my best friends wear ridiculous shirts.

subsailor68 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:25:50am

Hoffman Vows to Continue Storming the Castle

SCENE I. A bakery in Kingston NY.

Alarum. Enter KING DOUGIE, Palin, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Beck and Campaign Workers with scaling-ladders

KING DOUGIE I

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our Right Wing dead.
In politics there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of a campaign blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage;

COURTIER: Geeze fair Dougie, sittest thou down and with a battered silver flagon of mead to calm thy nerves, swallowest thou a chill pill.

CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:26:47am

re: #85 Locker

The quote says "recent trend". Perhaps your reading comprehension is down for maintenance.

Bother me not with trivial words and their meanings, even when I forget to add a sarc tag!

dogg Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:28:14am

For us in New Jersey 'Corzine losing despite spending more than 3to 1, Obama campaigning for him 3 times in the state & providing his teams expertise and every photo and billboard with him standing with Obama.

I can not understand LGF, the little district in NY is nothing compared to the huge change in Democratic NJ.

Please get focused on reality and quit following the talking heads who want train wrecks where there is not so much.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:28:24am

re: #61 trendsurfer

re: #53 subsailor68

"We're the new liberals of the Republican Party. Can you imagine that?" - Barry Goldwater to Bob Dole, 1996

Love that quote because it shows how much a party or organization can change while you do not yourself.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:28:52am

re: #89 cliffster

Wait. Some of my best friends wear ridiculous shirts.

So do some of mine! Often, you can find them in parades :D This guy I know has a bowling shirt that is a print of samurai fighting. It's totally ludicrous.

Pat Boone looks like Evil Knievil after he drank from the wrong grail.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:30:35am

re: #87 Bagua

Indeed! Hoffman's defeat is a GOP win in the larger picture of national politics. If he'd won, the nutters would have gained in strength, now they are pushed back.

This was a blessing for the GOP if it helps avoid similar attacks at the mid-terms, where the real battle will be fought.

That's what I've been saying all morning. It's a win-lose-win, so to speak, at least for the moderate conservatives.

sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:31:57am

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

the right wing nuts split the GOP base such that the GOP candidate withdrew, and then the right got creamed.

A terrible, unknown, carpet bagger, non-national party affiliated candidate gets into the race less than 60 DAYS before the election, takes shots from both the Dem and Repub candidate and loses to the Dem by less than 3% of the vote isn't Zactly getting "creamed". MAke no mistake about it. I have no empathy or zeal for Mr. Hoffman and his ilk, but you are really whistling past the graveyard if you think the totality of yeasterdays votes (NJ and Virginia) , INCLUDING a right leaning white woman leading the mayoral race in Atlanta Georgia is "the right got creamed"

sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:32:42am

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #96 sattv4u2

the right wing nuts split the GOP base such that the GOP candidate withdrew, and then the right got creamed.

A terrible, unknown, carpet bagger, non-national party affiliated candidate gets into the race less than 60 DAYS before the election, takes shots from both the Dem and Repub candidate and loses to the Dem by less than 3% of the vote isn't Zactly getting "creamed". MAke no mistake about it. I have no empathy or zeal for Mr. Hoffman and his ilk, but you are really whistling past the graveyard if you think the totality of yeasterdays votes (NJ and Virginia) , INCLUDING a right leaning white woman leading the mayoral race in Atlanta Georgia is "the right got creamed"

Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:33:19am

re: #92 dogg

For us in New Jersey 'Corzine losing despite spending more than 3to 1, Obama campaigning for him 3 times in the state & providing his teams expertise and every photo and billboard with him standing with Obama.

I can not understand LGF, the little district in NY is nothing compared to the huge change in Democratic NJ.

Please get focused on reality and quit following the talking heads who want train wrecks where there is not so much.

But Rush back the wrong horse... run around.. the sky is falling... watch out... don't trip over NJ and VA.

The left can repeat over and over that Hoffman lost and it doesn't change what really happened yesterday.

sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:33:23am

re: #96 sattv4u2

Sorry Walter ,, that was supposed to be aimed at Ludwig's #51

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:33:58am

Pat Boone does Dio's Holy Diver:

Youtube Video

LOOK OUT!

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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:34:12am

re: #96 sattv4u2

the right wing nuts split the GOP base such that the GOP candidate withdrew, and then the right got creamed.

A terrible, unknown, carpet bagger, non-national party affiliated candidate gets into the race less than 60 DAYS before the election, takes shots from both the Dem and Repub candidate and loses to the Dem by less than 3% of the vote isn't Zactly getting "creamed". MAke no mistake about it. I have no empathy or zeal for Mr. Hoffman and his ilk, but you are really whistling past the graveyard if you think the totality of yeasterdays votes (NJ and Virginia) , INCLUDING a right leaning white woman leading the mayoral race in Atlanta Georgia is "the right got creamed"

Don't forget that St. Obama was steadily campaigning for both of the Dems as well.

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cliffster Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:34:21am

re: #94 WindUpBird

So do some of mine! Often, you can find them in parades :D This guy I know has a bowling shirt that is a print of samurai fighting. It's totally ludicrous.

Pat Boone looks like Evil Knievil after he drank from the wrong grail.

Can't be worse than John Daly. He's a walking deep eye-socket headache.

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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:35:12am

Lemmme try this again,,, got a fresh coffee

so here goes ,,,

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:35:12am

re: #96 sattv4u2

the right wing nuts split the GOP base such that the GOP candidate withdrew, and then the right got creamed.

A terrible, unknown, carpet bagger, non-national party affiliated candidate gets into the race less than 60 DAYS before the election, takes shots from both the Dem and Repub candidate and loses to the Dem by less than 3% of the vote isn't Zactly getting "creamed". MAke no mistake about it. I have no empathy or zeal for Mr. Hoffman and his ilk, but you are really whistling past the graveyard if you think the totality of yeasterdays votes (NJ and Virginia) , INCLUDING a right leaning white woman leading the mayoral race in Atlanta Georgia is "the right got creamed"

I know, I know... we are just going to have to let the left have their little fun, convince themselves that all is still status quo with the world, and hopefully we will be nicer to them then they have been to use when reality finally hits them.

Hyperbole? You damn straight it is!

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:35:16am

re: #69 CyanSnowHawk

Look beyond the one House race (D-23) and include the two Governor races that the moderate GOP candidates won with serious independent support. D-23 was a disaster that can be laid solely at the feet of the SoCons, and NJ and VA are an example of the wins that will happen with the "RINOs" that the SoCons are trying to exclude.

OK the Guy in VA is against contraception. He is hardly a moderate Republican.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:35:28am

re: #99 sattv4u2

Sorry Walter ,, that was supposed to be aimed at Ludwig's #51

A pox on your house :)

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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:36:03am

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

the right got creamed

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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

A pox on your house :)

Good,, we need a new POX ,, the old one is wearing out !

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:37:15am

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

OK the Guy in VA is against contraception.

Wow, damn. Does he also think airplanes flying overhead are witches?

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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:38:16am

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

btw ,,, NOW 7 outta 10!

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:39:36am

So seriously, just a quick wiki...

This is a moderate?

Energy
McDonnell also supports drilling for oil off of the coast of Virginia while simultaneously developing new technologies for wind, solar, biomass, and other renewable energy resources.[24] Opponents of McDonnell's drilling proposal say that drilling for oil would risk Southern tourism, rare wildlife, and fisheries for what the U.S. Department of the Interior’s Minerals Management Service estimates would be only enough oil for six months, and require seven to ten years to bring online.[25]

Abortion
McDonnell is pro-life. As a state legislator, he introduced legislation that would have banned late-term abortions, as well as other legislation requiring parental consent before a minor has an abortion and informed consent for all women.[26]

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:40:19am

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

So seriously, just a quick wiki...

This is a moderate?

Energy
McDonnell also supports drilling for oil off of the coast of Virginia while simultaneously developing new technologies for wind, solar, biomass, and other renewable energy resources.[24] Opponents of McDonnell's drilling proposal say that drilling for oil would risk Southern tourism, rare wildlife, and fisheries for what the U.S. Department of the Interior’s Minerals Management Service estimates would be only enough oil for six months, and require seven to ten years to bring online.[25]

Abortion
McDonnell is pro-life. As a state legislator, he introduced legislation that would have banned late-term abortions, as well as other legislation requiring parental consent before a minor has an abortion and informed consent for all women.[26]

And he won...

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:40:59am

re: #110 sattv4u2

btw ,,, NOW 7 outta 10!

Yep.

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SixDegrees Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:41:45am

re: #92 dogg

For us in New Jersey 'Corzine losing despite spending more than 3to 1, Obama campaigning for him 3 times in the state & providing his teams expertise and every photo and billboard with him standing with Obama.

I can not understand LGF, the little district in NY is nothing compared to the huge change in Democratic NJ.

Please get focused on reality and quit following the talking heads who want train wrecks where there is not so much.

I'm not following whatever point it is you're trying to make. The NJ election isn't at all surprising. Every report I've heard for the last several weeks, and even longer, has had Corzine crashing and burning badly. His loss certainly isn't news. His heavy expenditures and 0bama's repeated visits were an accurate metric of just how much trouble he was in and how much help he needed just to narrow the margin of his loss. It would have been absolutely stunning news had he won, but yesterday's results aren't at all remarkable. They simply matched expectations.

Had GOP leadership shown similar support and backing for their candidate, they might have actually wound up with a Republican in the race in the 23rd, instead of sitting it out altogether. The Democrats appear to put a higher value on keeping political seats filled with other Democrats at all levels of government than on ideological litmus tests and conserving political capitol.

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cliffster Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:42:54am

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

Sounds pretty moderate to me. I reckon if you are three standard deviations to the left, then anything right of mean seems radical.

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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:43:00am

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

i called him out on his thesis in a thread the other night... he's all but a Theocrat. If the GOP is at the stage where the "moderates" disavow contraception as the work of the various devils... may i quote a song

"there may be trouble ahead..."

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:43:43am

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

Yes he did win. I am not saying that the wingnut vote will not hold sway in certain regional elections. However 1, that this is not a moderate, - well perhaps he is by Malkin standards - and 2, that the SoCons would do well nationally.

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Bagua Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:44:00am

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

So seriously, just a quick wiki...

This is a moderate?

Energy
McDonnell also supports drilling for oil off of the coast of Virginia while simultaneously developing new technologies for wind, solar, biomass, and other renewable energy resources.[24] Opponents of McDonnell's drilling proposal say that drilling for oil would risk Southern tourism, rare wildlife, and fisheries for what the U.S. Department of the Interior’s Minerals Management Service estimates would be only enough oil for six months, and require seven to ten years to bring online.[25]

Abortion
McDonnell is pro-life. As a state legislator, he introduced legislation that would have banned late-term abortions, as well as other legislation requiring parental consent before a minor has an abortion and informed consent for all women.[26]

Agreed, sounds pretty moderate.

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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:44:26am

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

OK the Guy in VA is against contraception. He is hardly a moderate Republican.

Yeah McDonnell's no moderate. A Moderate Virginia Republican is something like Tom Davis or John Warner. Both guys I would have voted for if I ever had the chance but I never lived in TD's district and Warner retired right after I first became eligible to vote. McDonnell won here and won well here because one he ran a good campaign and conversely Deeds ran a shitty one, two he while he is a conservative de-emphasized a lot of his socially conservative stances and talked about roads and the economy instead, third as a former exec and current state AG he had the experience Virginians like in their governors, and finally he did talk about bipartisanship a lot i.e. The Shelia Johnson ad and mentioning that he worked with the state legislature.

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Bagua Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:44:27am

re: #115 cliffster

Stop reading my mind and stealing my posts!

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SixDegrees Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:46:14am

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

OK the Guy in VA is against contraception. He is hardly a moderate Republican.

Ah - the Single Checkmark theory of ideology. In other words, if a candidate doesn't hew precisely and unerringly to the Liberal line, he's an extreme far-right nutjob.

Or, to put it in a slightly different light: let's do precisely what we criticize the religious right for doing.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:46:38am

re: #114 SixDegrees

It's totally a huge loss for Obama that he can't cast spells, cure leprosy and magically conjure up a win for a horrible Democrat.

I want bad Democrats out of my party. So the fact that Corzine lost...hey! Cool! He deserved to lose. Every election is not created equal.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:46:39am

re: #116 wozzablog

i called him out on his thesis in a thread the other night... he's all but a Theocrat. If the GOP is at the stage where the "moderates" disavow contraception as the work of the various devils... may i quote a song

"there may be trouble ahead..."

Thank you. I am glad some folks here are still in touch with reality.
re: #115 cliffster

Sounds pretty moderate to me. I reckon if you are three standard deviations to the left, then anything right of mean seems radical.

That would be projection. He is certainly not centrist. He only looks centrist compared to people like Malkin. Centrists don't quote the drill baby drill meme, and they certainly don''t when you are talking about an oil field that would cost more to exploit than what you would get out of it. Centrists don't think abortion and gay marriage are defining issues in national politics and centrists are not into school vouchers.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:48:05am

re: #121 SixDegrees

Ah - the Single Checkmark theory of ideology. In other words, if a candidate doesn't hew precisely and unerringly to the Liberal line, he's an extreme far-right nutjob.

Or, to put it in a slightly different light: let's do precisely what we criticize the religious right for doing.

NO, if you are opposed to contraception you are a theocon. That is pretty simple.

Please...

The guy is no moderate. Look into him.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:48:32am

re: #118 Bagua

Agreed, sounds pretty moderate.

Ohhh gaze...

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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:50:00am

re: #122 WindUpBird

It's totally a huge loss for Obama that he can't cast spells, cure leprosy and magically conjure up a win for a horrible Democrat.

I want bad Democrats out of my party. So the fact that Corzine lost...hey! Cool! He deserved to lose. Every election is not created equal.

Ditto, no tears shed here that Corzine lost. Kinda was hopping Deeds would pull it out here since he's a rare pro 2nd amendment Democrat and more socially liberal than McDonnell. Another thing I should add as a Virginian that hurt Deeds is that he unlike Mark Warner and Tim Kaine didn't have the same touch with Northern Virginian voters that they did. Deeds was mocked for better or for worse as never ridden the Metro. Now, I personally kinda liked the guy. He's my cousin's ex's cousin so I was intrigued by that.

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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:52:53am

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

So seriously, just a quick wiki...

This is a moderate?

Energy
McDonnell also supports drilling for oil off of the coast of Virginia while simultaneously developing new technologies for wind, solar, biomass, and other renewable energy resources.[24] Opponents of McDonnell's drilling proposal say that drilling for oil would risk Southern tourism, rare wildlife, and fisheries for what the U.S. Department of the Interior’s Minerals Management Service estimates would be only enough oil for six months, and require seven to ten years to bring online.[25]

Abortion
McDonnell is pro-life. As a state legislator, he introduced legislation that would have banned late-term abortions, as well as other legislation requiring parental consent before a minor has an abortion and informed consent for all women.[26]

Wiki? As an authoritative source? I'm disappointed in you. But let's take it at face value for the sake of argument.

Drilling for oil while supporting alternative energy R&D is the moderate position. It provides today's energy needs and develops the sources for tomorrow's.

Banning late-term abortions and putting up parental consent roadblocks, while obvious in their "take an inch now so we can take a mile later" approach, is more moderate than calling for an outright ban on abortion, don't you think?

What about their total platforms however. You highlighted one position for each and didn't make any mention of how high they prioritize that position.

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SixDegrees Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:53:22am

re: #122 WindUpBird

It's totally a huge loss for Obama that he can't cast spells, cure leprosy and magically conjure up a win for a horrible Democrat.

I want bad Democrats out of my party. So the fact that Corzine lost...hey! Cool! He deserved to lose. Every election is not created equal.

The only one of the contests that might be considered some sort of referendum on the current Administration was VA, where the economy played a large role in both the campaign and according to exit polling. I'm certain this is the one race that the Dems are paying close attention to, as it's much more likely a bellweather of what the future may hold than the other contests. Corzine was dead weeks ago, and everyone knew it; in the 23rd, the Republicans didn't even field a candidate in the end.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:54:28am

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I always thought (well, since I moved to Oregon) that any Democrat that runs in a district that is not Berkley should be full on 2nd amendment. It's settled, we like guns in this country, let's move on. I'm liberal and I own three guns. One of them is semi-auto! I don't see what the big deal is.

I do draw the line at allowing guns in BARS. That just seems like a recipe for Jerry-Bruckheimer-esque disaster.

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SixDegrees Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:55:36am

re: #124 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, if you are opposed to contraception you are a theocon. That is pretty simple.

Please...

The guy is no moderate. Look into him.

Apparently, you aren't aware of what constitutes a moderate. It doesn't mean that a candidate is a drop-in liberal replacement for a Democrat, which seems to be the definition you're applying.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:58:02am

re: #130 SixDegrees

Apparently, you aren't aware of what constitutes a moderate. It doesn't mean that a candidate is a drop-in liberal replacement for a Democrat, which seems to be the definition you're applying.

By being pro fiscal responsibility - i.e. not using govt money to drill a field that will not yeald overall profits?

By being opposed to gutting public school systems with vouchers that benefit religious schools?

By being all for a persons right to choose when they have kids?

By not being all caught up in the gay marriage thing?

That makes one liberal?

You seriously need to recalibrate.

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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:58:50am

re: #129 WindUpBird

I always thought (well, since I moved to Oregon) that any Democrat that runs in a district that is not Berkley should be full on 2nd amendment. It's settled, we like guns in this country, let's move on. I'm liberal and I own three guns. One of them is semi-auto! I don't see what the big deal is.

I do draw the line at allowing guns in BARS. That just seems like a recipe for Jerry-Bruckheimer-esque disaster.

Yep. No real arguments from me. I used to be pro gun control but honest to god Virginia Tech changed my mind. Had a lot of old friends who were in Blacksburg when it happened. But yeah having guns in bars could get ugly since people when they drink well act stupid. It's a common sense thing there. Deeds really didn't appeal to the younger voters either. I have to say while I wanted nothing to do with his primary campaign. Terry McAullife had his supporters all over the campus last spring and I saw none of that from Deeds' campaign.

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funky chicken Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:15:28pm

re: #96 sattv4u2

the right wing nuts split the GOP base such that the GOP candidate withdrew, and then the right got creamed.

A terrible, unknown, carpet bagger, non-national party affiliated candidate gets into the race less than 60 DAYS before the election, takes shots from both the Dem and Repub candidate and loses to the Dem by less than 3% of the vote isn't Zactly getting "creamed". MAke no mistake about it. I have no empathy or zeal for Mr. Hoffman and his ilk, but you are really whistling past the graveyard if you think the totality of yeasterdays votes (NJ and Virginia) , INCLUDING a right leaning white woman leading the mayoral race in Atlanta Georgia is "the right got creamed"

Um, the lady mayoral candidate in Atlanta is a democrat. I wouldn't call her a right wing nut like Hoffman. I also question why you are so interested in mentioning her race?

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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:26:42pm

re: #133 funky chicken

Um, the lady mayoral candidate in Atlanta is a democrat. I wouldn't call her a right wing nut like Hoffman. I also question why you are so interested in mentioning her race?

#1,,, where did I mention that she is a "right wing nut". I stated right LEANING (especially when compared to the 5 others in the race)

#2, her race it's significant in that for the past 30 years there has not been a white mayor elected in this city. She is a councilwoman who knows the cities issues and needs and inner workings. That she would be elected by a largely African American constituency IS as significant as Barack Obama being elected by a largely white constituency (historical considerations)

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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:29:27pm

re: #116 wozzablog

i called him out on his thesis in a thread the other night... he's all but a Theocrat. If the GOP is at the stage where the "moderates" disavow contraception as the work of the various devils... may i quote a song

"there may be trouble ahead..."

An atheist theocrat. That's something I've not heard of before. And what thesis would that have been? I was not aware that I was putting something up in front of a degree review board.

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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:42:48pm

re: #135 CyanSnowHawk

um...

this thesis
takem apart on by the Christian Science Monitor... that bastion of leftist propaganda

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Bagua Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:46:16pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh gaze...

That's a definite improvement.

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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:46:43pm

re: #136 wozzablog

um...

this thesis
takem apart on by the Christian Science Monitor... that bastion of leftist propaganda

Do people even read what they link too? From yours

Feminism and working women are “detrimental” to the traditional family

Please define for me what the phrase "traditional family" means, and further please expllain how feminism or a mother out of the house 8-10 hours a day has strengthened it?

I'm not saying I agree with his thesis, only pointing out that your objection to it may be off, depending on what you definition of "traditional family" is

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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:50:12pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

the "traditional family" as generally defined by those wanting it to be 1950 again... is a stay at home housewife popping out babies while saphire Ginned up and on valium.

What do you believe someone studying at Pat Robertsons University would mean by "traditional family"?

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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:53:13pm

re: #140 wozzablog

the "traditional family" as generally defined by those wanting it to be 1950 again... is a stay at home housewife popping out babies while saphire Ginned up and on valium.

What do you believe someone studying at Pat Robertsons University would mean by "traditional family"?

A man and a woman married
THEN children with preferably the nurturer (read female, as in 99.9% of species) being at home, not dropping the child off at day care at 7 a.m returning 12 hours later
So again, I ask YOU, what is YOUR definition (not as generally defined by those wanting it to be 1950 again.)

YOU ,,, YOUR words ,,,

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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:57:10pm

re: #136 wozzablog

um...

this thesis
takem apart on by the Christian Science Monitor... that bastion of leftist propaganda

Whoops. Missed connection.

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Martinsmithy Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:57:34pm

He's a loser in a rock-solid Republican district.

The perfect symbol for the tea-party movement.

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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:58:10pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

I believe he was answering my question with that link satt.

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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:59:10pm

re: #139 dogg

No need to get all flouncy about it.

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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:59:19pm

re: #144 CyanSnowHawk

I believe he was answering my question with that link satt.

I know ,,, and I was expanding upon it once he provided the link

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Bagua Wed, Nov 4, 2009 1:18:03pm

re: #139 dogg

[...]
So why is LFG not getting real. This sight today is the same as Daily Kos today...go figure

Perhaps your glasses are smudged?

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SixDegrees Wed, Nov 4, 2009 1:29:33pm

re: #139 dogg

My point is that LGF is focusing on a meaningless race in almost Canada where the Conservative party candidate was a loser out of the gate.

Like the National D party the National R party is also out of touch with the voters.

Please do not make me list examples... oh well ...Obama Care not! Make Abortion a crime not! theses are all goals of the "party" not me and you.

So why is LFG not getting real. This sight today is the same as Daily Kos today...go figure

No one on the extreme right was saying anything at all about those other races - until today. They shone the spotlight on the race in the 23rd and declared it to be the major ideological battle of the day, focusing all their time, attention and energies on it and nothing else.

Go talk to Malkin, Beck and Limbaugh and ask them why they pumped up this race to the nth degree. While you're chatting, ask them why they suddenly want to talk about something else now that the side they pushed so heavily lost.

It's a topic of discussion because the race was highlighted so heavily by the extreme right, because the candidate they backed so heavily lost, and because it's the first time since the Civil War that a Democrat has held the seat. The other races were not surprising at all - the results were expected weeks ahead of time. The VA race was the most interesting, but still doesn't rise to the level of getting very excited about.

And finally - no one's forcing you to come here. If you want to look at a blog that prints the things that are of interest to you, feel free to start your own. It's easy.

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hicsuget Wed, Nov 4, 2009 1:35:46pm

Maybe he should run for whatever the office is that Joe the Plumber holds.

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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:16:19pm

re: #141 sattv4u2

my question about what someone attending Pat Robertsons university would believe was rhetorical...

but i believe it takes a village... ;-)

(ducks...runs...laughing maniacally)

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teh flowah Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:55:29pm

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

I don't see a huge difference between people complaining when someone quits and then complaining when someone stays.

I wasn't making any statement about the election, or the district, or why he lost or why someone else won... did I?

So, what are you talking about?

I'm saying the reasons for their observations (they aren't complaints really) are different enough where if you can't see the difference, you should go to an optometrist.

Just because the result, making an observation, is the same, doesn't mean that the whole process was the same. Killing someone out of self defense and killing someone out of revenge might both result in the bad guy being dead, but the law and reasonable people can differentiate between the two (maybe you can't). Similarly, it's very sad that you cannot see the difference between people calling Palin a weirdo for quitting office mid-term and people saying Hoffman should give up because he lost and because he's no good for the country.

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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:43:37pm

re: #22 Honorary Yooper

Mainstream to the Paleocons. I say the time has come to part ways with the Paleos and leave them in the Stone Age where they belong.

(snip)

I must take exception to your broad-brush and somewhat chronicist
attack on our Paleo forbears. Were these not the people (YES PEOPLE)
who brought us Acheulian handaxes, the wonders of the entire Mousterian
tradition, not to mention the entire osteo-donto-keratic toolkit?

Oh.
Nevermind.

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acacia Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:35:26pm

re: #11 erraticsphinx

Don't agree with your logic. If Hoffman doesn't jump in the race then either Democrat Owens, a liberal, wins or another very liberal candidate - maybe even more liberal than Owens - wins. The point is that without any formal party support, a guy on his own, a conservative got in the race and overtook an extremely liberal Republican. That is clearly a victory for "conservatism." Obviously it wasn't a victory for the named Republican, or the Republican establishment, but that is not what Rush is saying. The fact the conservative candidate ultimately didn't win the whole thing is due to a) the named Republican dropping out and throwing her meager, but statistically meaningful support, to the other liberal guy and, most importantly of all, b) the Republican leadership in the area truly botched a great opportunity at the outset by not paying attention to what the Republican voters wanted. Rush is saying and I totally agree, the powers that be in the Republican leadership must listen to the people. The Republican grass roots is overwhelmingly conservative, and the country as a whole is generally conservative - so it's a no brainer to be sure the conservative people are on the Republican ballot. It's as simple as that and the lesson of the race is that it is much more likely to happen in the future.

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