She’s found her fear-mongering story and she’s sticking to it, no matter how stupid or deceptive: Sarah Palin (SarahPalinUSA) on Twitter:
..merged bill may b unrecognizable from what assumed was a done deal:R death panels back in?what’s punishment 4not purchasing mandated HC?
Ahhh! Ahhh! Death panels! We’re doomed! [run around screaming…]
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:26:44pm |
Every death of a patient denied coverage for pre existing conditions (suddenly discovered as expenses mount) is a victim of a death panel. Every patient that died because a drug was not yet approved by the insurance company (yet approved by the authorities and prescribed by the doctor) is a victim of a death panel. These panels are found at insurers and medical providers.
Yo Sarah- How about those deaths?
Are they less dead then your logic?
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Cineaste Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:27:06pm |
They're coming for my poor, disabled son Trig!
Hey! You! Stop saying that I use my child for political points!
///////////
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:31:50pm |
re: #3 Cineaste
cynical but true thought: Many of the disabled (even severely disabled) can and do vote.
Since in general their caregivers decide what to vote for they tend to vote for public health care and services.
Downs people especially tend to get the ballot, so Palin should be happy, in 18 years Trig will be a free vote for whatever she's running for (unless she dumps him in a home, which is my suspicion!
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:32:49pm |
re: #4 windsagio
need to pull out that exclamation, it makes the post look more assholish than it should, was meant to be a ), and somehow I really screwed up >>
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Basho Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:33:02pm |
So... she missed the story reported everywhere that this was named the biggest lie of the year?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:34:43pm |
re: #6 Basho
So... she missed the story reported everywhere that this was named the biggest lie of the year?
Why waste 144 characters on a small lie?
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badger1970 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:34:54pm |
Twitter, the bane of the English language.
Insurance companies don't exist for their altruistic qualities.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:35:41pm |
re: #6 Basho
So... she missed the story reported everywhere that this was named the biggest lie of the year?
I don't think she missed the story. Even she acknowledged the Death Panels were fake. She can shamelessly lie to her stupid supporters because they don't care.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:35:48pm |
I think I'm the wrong generation. I just can't take a twitter written in text language seriously.
Use proper English, like an adult. I can forgive the occasional typo, misspelling, or grammatical adult.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:37:19pm |
re: #6 Basho
So... she missed the story reported everywhere that this was named the biggest lie of the year?
Just curious, but just how does something get to be the biggest lie of the year? doesn't that take an act of congress or something?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:37:37pm |
One can only hope that her pandering has gone too far. Death Panels? Dated fear mongering from August 2009. Anyone who can (with a straight face) say that she is a legitimate candidate for, uh, anything, is so blinded by hero worship that they given up their ability to reason.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:37:42pm |
re: #12 EmmmieG
I think I'm the wrong generation. I just can't take a twitter written in text language seriously.
Use proper English, like an adult. I can forgive the occasional typo, misspelling, or grammatical
adult.
Error.
See? I leave room for mistakes for a reason.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:38:15pm |
re: #12 EmmmieG
Spend much time on MSN/AIM/ICQ, etc and you get used to that crap. Sometimes it makes me weep, the damage I've done to my own English and typing skills.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:38:37pm |
More racism over at Hot Air: The silence of the lambs baboons
Maybe they found out they won’t be covered under Obamacare.Thank you. Try the veal.
RedNewEnglander on December 22, 2009 at 6:29 PM
....
Shucks, I thought this was a story about Barry.Knucklehead on December 22, 2009 at 6:30 PM
That's just the first two comments, more to follow....
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Basho Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:39:39pm |
re: #13 brookly red
Just curious, but just how does something get to be the biggest lie of the year? doesn't that take an act of congress or something?
Politifact picked it. You can disagree or not take it seriously.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:39:54pm |
re: #18 RobRace
You decided to make your fourth post ever a post whining about what gets posted as articles?
I don't think that was smart.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:40:42pm |
re: #13 brookly red
Just curious, but just how does something get to be the biggest lie of the year? doesn't that take an act of congress or something?
Named by a news political watch out of St. Petersburg FL. Not exactly Haight-Ashbury.
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Mark Winter Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:41:03pm |
what’s punishment 4not purchasing mandated HC?
The firing squad?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:41:31pm |
I wanna post about Christmas cookies! Why doesn't Charles ever post about Christmas cookies? What do you have against Christmas cookies?
Waaaaaahhhhhh!
*kicks, scream, knocks over vase*
(Actually, four boys=no breakable vases out.)
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:41:35pm |
re: #24 Mark Winter
I didn't realize Hillary Clinton was now a mandated purchase. That surprises me.
Or possibly Hot Chocolate.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:42:03pm |
re: #26 obdicut
I didn't realize Hillary Clinton was now a mandated purchase. That surprises me.
Or possibly Hot Chocolate.
Hot Chocolate is mandatory. The marshmallows are optional, though.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:42:11pm |
This woman isn't qualified to mush sled dogs in the Iditarod.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:45:25pm |
re: #30 jaunte
Twittr & Palin both r unsuited 4 elokwnce.
Think of twitter as a beta test for bumper stickers.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:45:47pm |
re: #23 Decatur Deb
Named by a news political watch out of St. Petersburg FL. Not exactly Haight-Ashbury.
Yeah well who gave them that authority to declare the biggest lie?
I can think of a few contenders... I mean don't we get to vote on it or something> Who the F' are they?
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:46:07pm |
re: #10 badger1970
Texting.
I mean texting, period.
That is the bane. Its lazy. All these high speed connections, gigabytes of storage and a keyboard in every device and yet we need to compress our spelling? I'm not buying that theory.
re: #14 Stanley Sea
She may be a big fundraiser, a great way to get ratings on a show, but that is no good candidate at all. With all due respect to political monitors who look out for the health of the system, as our host does-I personally have zero concern about her becoming VP or President. I have big concerns she "legitimizes" some really bad ideas. In my view that is the apogeeof her threat. Time will tell.
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Basho Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:46:28pm |
"mergd bill in byble times = Mry killin jezus" - from Chuck Norris' twitter
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:46:50pm |
re: #24 Mark Winter
The firing squad?
no, incarceration w/free health care... Lenny Bruce would be amused :)
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:46:50pm |
re: #34 brookly red
Yeah well who gave them that authority to declare the biggest lie?
I can think of a few contenders... I mean don't we get to vote on it or something> Who the F' are they?
they got there first...it's their thing now
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:47:37pm |
re: #34 brookly red
The press is free, if you own a press.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:47:37pm |
re: #35 Rightwingconspirator
you cut it down because you're trying to keep response time down in order to more closely simulate the real flow of conversation.
Having been in that kind of conversation with people who are SLOOOOOOW, you pretty quickly give up.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:48:59pm |
re: #41 windsagio
you cut it down because you're trying to keep response time down in order to more closely simulate the real flow of conversation.
Having been in that kind of conversation with people who are SLOOOW, you pretty quickly give up.
so you resort to fakery to mimic reality....got it
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:49:52pm |
re: #38 albusteve
they got there first...it's their thing now
That is like Time mag. declaring person of the year... who the f' are they?
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badger1970 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:49:59pm |
re: #41 windsagio
Yes, I agree to a point but unless one becomes "bi-lingo" it may take a bit to decipher.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:51:12pm |
re: #42 albusteve
so you resort to fakery to mimic reality...got it
Wait, so you always speak in absolute complete sentences, and use laser perfect grammar whenever you talk to someone, right?
You never shorten anything, you never conserve breath, you never use slang, you never blur syllables together in oft-repeated phrases.
Fakery!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:51:24pm |
re: #43 brookly red
That is like Time mag. declaring person of the year... who the f' are they?
At least they didn't steal Idiotarian and Fisk.
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Jaerik Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:52:13pm |
re: #12 EmmmieG
I think I'm the wrong generation. I just can't take a twitter written in text language seriously.
I'm a millennial, and I can't deal with it either. I understand that it's faster, but if you can't take the extra half a second to write "any" instead of "ne," why should I take the extra time figuring out what the hell you just said?
It's a respect thing. You should write with the assumption that your readers' time is more important than yours.
If you want people to spend precious brain cycles actually mulling over what you said, then try to express it in a way that isn't a chore to parse. Otherwise, you're not a precious snowflake -- why should we listen to you?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:52:41pm |
Cool! I've been nominated as "most loathsome douchebag in the blogosphere!"
Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs has to be the most loathsome douchebag in the blogosphere. And a bore to boot
Loathsome, yet boring, yet they just can't seem to stop reading.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:53:41pm |
re: #42 albusteve
"fakery"? Thats kinda crazy.
The fact is that the language is changing (well the written language) to keep up with how we use it. 200 years ago we had no standardized spelling and the 'long s'. English didn't stop growing in 1954!
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Mocking Jay Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:54:10pm |
re: #48 Charles
Cool! I've been nominated as "most loathsome douchebag in the blogosphere!"
Loathsome, yet boring, yet they just can't seem to stop reading.
I think that guy needs to see more of the blogosphere.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:54:23pm |
re: #35 Rightwingconspirator
Texting.
I mean texting, period.
That is the bane. Its lazy. All these high speed connections, gigabytes of storage and a keyboard in every device and yet we need to compress our spelling? I'm not buying that theory.
When you're typing with thumbs on your Sidekick on a bus and trying to quickly get a point across to someone else on a cell phone, laboriously spelling everything out is not really a priority. It's not lazy. You just can't touch type on phones, and with Twitter's short message limit, abbreviations are the name of the game. I personally try to avoid the alphabet-soup gibberish vibe on Twitter, but I'll still abbreviate.
And I'm saying this as a guy who won regional spelling bees in grade school and plays Scrabble and Bookworm all the time.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:54:29pm |
re: #48 Charles
heh 'most loathesome douchebag' for some reason that title makes me grin.
It begs the question: Are there any pleasant douchebags?
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:54:42pm |
Can we start nominations for the Fiskie and the Fallaci?
Fiskie: Glenn Beck
Fallaci: Charles Johnson
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Basho Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:54:48pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:55:23pm |
re: #48 Charles
Cool! I've been nominated as "most loathsome douchebag in the blogosphere!"
Loathsome, yet boring, yet they just can't seem to stop reading.
Oh noez!!1! Itz bin tweeeedded alls over the innernuts!!1!
And I know the sort--deleted the bookmark ages ago, so now they have to type in the URL 40 times a day.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:55:57pm |
re: #49 windsagio
"fakery"? Thats kinda crazy.
The fact is that the language is changing (well the written language) to keep up with how we use it. 200 years ago we had no standardized spelling and the 'long s'. English didn't stop growing in 1954!
don't get so serious....your undies will bunch
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:56:04pm |
re: #48 Charles
Cool! I've been nominated as "most loathsome douchebag in the blogosphere!"
Loathsome, yet boring, yet they just can't seem to stop reading.
Jabba the Hut and Baron Harkkonen must be off their game.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:56:05pm |
re: #47 Jaerik
It's by degrees. I am okay with IIRC, FTW, and BTW, and the occasional U for you. Accepted slang on the internet.
I do get tired of stuff abbreviated to the point where it no longer looks like english. :D
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:56:41pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:56:42pm |
Complete with text speak... how classy.
I really detest this cretin.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:57:18pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:57:34pm |
re: #34 brookly red
Yeah well who gave them that authority to declare the biggest lie?
I can think of a few contenders... I mean don't we get to vote on it or something> Who the F' are they?
Well they did win a Pulitzer for their work. Politifact is a really good site.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:58:12pm |
re: #62 Stanley Sea
Well they did win a Pulitzer for their work. Politifact is a really good site.
Pulitzer? Doesn't that make them Librul Media?//
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:58:40pm |
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Basho Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:58:59pm |
re: #62 Stanley Sea
Well they did win a Pulitzer for their work. Politifact is a really good site.
Yeah but who the f' is Pulitzer?
/
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 3:59:29pm |
re: #63 JasonA
Pulitzer? Doesn't that make them Librul Media?//
I didn't say it, but thought it yes, the ELITE librul East coast media. Actually they are on the West coast of FL, but who cares?
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:00:32pm |
Who are these people & where do they get the authority to make these claims... I mean just cause the gf declares me the grandmaster of dickheads does not make it so!
I want a re-count.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:00:39pm |
re: #64 Rightwingconspirator
ROFL
Oh no I just did it! I'm such a hypocrite. :oWhat is RWCP?
Still haven't deciphered GMTA, and I see it a lot.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:01:01pm |
Sarah Palin makes me want to scream. How the hell are we supposed to know if Death Panels are 'in'? She made them up! She should know!
Also, is that Twitter implying that people are going to be killed if they don't carry health coverage?
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:01:02pm |
re: #54 Basho
no its not!!! In some degree its simplifying in its grammar, but the vocabulary is MUCH larger than it was even 5 years ago!
Heh I can get going about this, I was a linguistics major in college, and altho' I found it totally worthless in the working world, its still one of my favorite subjects to go on about.
re: #56 albusteve
eeh, I think you have the wrong idea. They're not angry exclamation, they're excited exclamation. I love talking about the development of the English language... especially since its a subject most people don't rightly understand.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:01:21pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:01:33pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:01:44pm |
re: #55 wrenchwench
And I know the sort--deleted the bookmark ages ago, so now they have to type in the URL 40 times a day.
That was hilarious-- partially because back when I was young and stupid, I've done exactly the same thing with other sites.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:01:57pm |
re: #62 Stanley Sea
Well they did win a Pulitzer for their work. Politifact is a really good site.
yeah, and Arafat won a peace prize... so the f' what.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:02:37pm |
re: #74 brookly red
yeah, and Arafat won a peace prize... so the f' what.
I think the Pulitzer people are more finicky than the Nobel Peace committee. But I could be mistaken.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:03:12pm |
re: #48 Charles
Cool! I've been nominated as "most loathsome douchebag in the blogosphere!"
Loathsome, yet boring, yet they just can't seem to stop reading.
Next thing you know, they'll be calling you a Turd Sandwich.
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webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:03:32pm |
re: #48 Charles
Cool! I've been nominated as "most loathsome douchebag in the blogosphere!"
Loathsome, yet boring, yet they just can't seem to stop reading.
wow, loathsome and a crossdresser, you've had quite a day....
/
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:03:33pm |
re: #70 windsagio
no its not!!! In some degree its simplifying in its grammar, but the vocabulary is MUCH larger than it was even 5 years ago!
Heh I can get going about this, I was a linguistics major in college, and altho' I found it totally worthless in the working world, its still one of my favorite subjects to go on about.
Okay so we all see when we have a new word. How do we know when one is gone from disuse or worse? (for worse I'm thinking slurs like the n word etc)
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:03:53pm |
re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist
I think the Pulitzer people are more finicky than the Nobel Peace committee. But I could be mistaken.
Still who the f' are they?
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webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:04:35pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:04:49pm |
re: #74 brookly red
yeah, and Arafat won a peace prize... so the f' what.
I don't really want to go there, but what the hell, I'll get a glass of wine. Are you implying that Death Panels was a bad choice?
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:07:28pm |
re: #82 Stanley Sea
I don't really want to go there, but what the hell, I'll get a glass of wine. Are you implying that Death Panels was a bad choice?
HUH? seems like you mean another glass of wine...
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webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:07:42pm |
and just think, Sarah could have been VP....
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:07:46pm |
re: #80 brookly red
It's kind of simple, actually:
They make a 'lie of the year' award and they have credibility because of other things they've done. Not everyone agrees they have credibility. You can disagree. They're not claiming you have to believe them, but rather, if you think they're a good source of opinion and fact-checking, that this statement is what they consider the biggest lie of the year.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:08:56pm |
re: #79 Rightwingconspirator
its an interesting puzzle. In England and France they actually have panels that take care of that kind of thing (or at least they used to. The french one is famous for rejecting words derived from English). In general, the real answer is 'it just doesn't work that way'. A word is no longer part of a language when it no longer has meaning in that language.
An example is 'Cwm', which is an obsolete word for 'combe' (a word which is itself almost gone). Its derived from welsh, was used for a while (In parts of england), and now nobody outside of Wales recognizes it. That word is effectively no longer a part of the English language.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:09:25pm |
re: #83 brookly red
You keep implying that Politifact has no basis or credibility to call Death Panels the #1 lie. I'm asking why since I read 3 or so posts on it. No insults needed either!
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:10:43pm |
re: #84 webevintage.
Is that worse than say Stockdale? Our Democracy does manage to dodge some bullets well.
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theheat Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:11:01pm |
I'm seeing less difference between Courtney Love's tweets and Palin's. Same spelling, same craziness, different eyebrows.
It goes without saying nobody - GOP or Democrat - would have felt Courtney Love belonged in politics. And yet there they are, the lost twins of crazy tweets.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:11:07pm |
re: #86 windsagio
its an interesting puzzle. In England and France they actually have panels that tak (snip)
An example is 'Cwm', which is an obsolete word for 'combe' (a word which is itself almost gone). Its derived from welsh, was used for a while (In parts of england), and now nobody outside of Wales recognizes it. That word is effectively no longer a part of the English language.
Will Twitter save Welsh, or kill it off?
"Tup, but not so tup as not to know they're tup."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:11:50pm |
re: #88 AFBG
Quick, tell me how many posts are on the front page, and how many of those posts are about Sarah Palin.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:12:38pm |
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:13:27pm |
re: #88 AFBG
Did you lurk at allbefore you registered? Our host has a serious dislike for Sarah Palin. He has warned us to get used to it. Take note-It's his house we are visiting here.
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Summer Seale Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:13:57pm |
Wouldn't you know it! I step away for a bit and here is another thread all about me all over again!
Anyway, I bet you all missed me, right? Heck, I betcha did! I miss me when I'm gone too and I'm so popular with my book and all.
Anyway, I was thinking about these death panels and Obama Care and you know what, folks? Why are there so many sick people in America?
You know, the fact is, it's not Obama Care that will help, it's prayer. Now, I know we have a lot of "non believers" in the audience here today, but God loves you too. And you know, praying to the right God can do miracles! Just ask me! It's true! You betcha!
Now, it's very important that you pick the right God because most people don't and end up in Hell, and you don't wanna go there, right? That's not where you wanna end up.
So, I'm going to just put out a little announcement here...lemme find the card...hang on....ok there it is! Now...the announcement is this: you might wanna considering praying to the God I pray to. The Christian God. But not just any Christian God - mine. I'm endorsing the one I pray to because He can do anything, including healing the sick.
Now, I know a lot of other liberal "Christians" will be telling you that their God is the right one, but it's not true. If their God believes in "gay rights" or "changing the climate yourselves", or that you fell off a tree a few thousand years ago and were a monkey before that, well, he's not really God!
So make sure you pick the right one before you start praying!
So, back to Obama Terrorist Care: you know, how about we spend more money building churches in America? Instead of spending more money on hospitals, we could heal the sick with lots and lots of prayer! Then we could lower taxes and really save the world like God intends us to do!
You see, if only you had elected me President, you wouldn't be spending all this money when prayer could do the job! Then you would have those Evil Death Panels and you wouldn't have to pay for them!
So anyway, that's my idea and I hope you approve because it's the right idea, isn't it? Isn't it?
You betcha it is!
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:14:30pm |
re: #87 Stanley Sea
You keep implying that Politifact has no basis or credibility to call Death Panels the #1 lie. I'm asking why since I read 3 or so posts on it. No insults needed either!
no, basis OK maybe... credibility whatever. I nominate "the health care bill will reduce costs." Both lies which is bigger?
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webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:14:44pm |
re: #90 theheat
I'm seeing less difference between Courtney Love's tweets and Palin's. Same spelling, same craziness, different eyebrows.
There used to be someone on Twitter who would take Love's tweets (and folks they are made of some good time batshit crazy) and translate them into english.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:15:02pm |
re: #91 Decatur Deb
Thats kind of fun too, they're in the process of saving it themselves through national pride. In general tho', the internet is the bane of all languages that aren't English.
PS: I used 'cwm' because it has the interesting feature of being one of the few words in the scrabble dictionary (another way to define the language, I guess) that doesn't have any vowels. Random word facts!
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Mocking Jay Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:15:25pm |
Help me out Lizards. Was this a prank call or what?
Tea Partier Calls C-SPAN, Worried His Prayers For Byrd To Die Got Inhofe Instead
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:16:18pm |
re: #92 badger1970
I call for some patience with the new guys from us. That could be honest astonishment, or a troll. I for one am not sure, but hey I'm fairly new around here too.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:17:08pm |
re: #100 JasonA
Sounds fake, but Poe's Law applies, perhaps.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:17:12pm |
re: #96 Summer
Are you a professional writer or satirist? Really well done there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:17:39pm |
re: #98 webevintage
There used to be someone on Twitter who would take Love's tweets (and folks they are made of some good time batshit crazy) and translate them into english.
Personally, I have lots of fun with Roseanne Barr's blog posts. That woman is off the charts. I worry that the weight loss did it to her.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:17:45pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:18:59pm |
re: #97 brookly red
no, basis OK maybe... credibility whatever. I nominate "the health care bill will reduce costs." Both lies which is bigger?
I think a lie that instills fear of death by the Government is worse.
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Summer Seale Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:19:02pm |
re: #103 Rightwingconspirator
Hehe...like I said yesterday, I'm a real blonde.
It's not hard to shut my brain off and sound like an idiot for real. You know, what Sarah Palin does all the time.
Oh wait, her brain doesn't have an "on" switch, does it...
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:19:10pm |
re: #100 JasonA
Help me out Lizards. Was this a prank call or what?
Tea Partier Calls C-SPAN, Worried His Prayers For Byrd To Die Got Inhofe Instead
If you are laying in coordinates for imprecatory prayer you have to be careful with the Magnus and Coriolis effects.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:19:28pm |
re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist
Personally, I have lots of fun with Roseanne Barr's blog posts. That woman is off the charts. I worry that the weight loss did it to her.
she lost weight?
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:19:37pm |
re: #105 brookly red
You're sounding a little obsessed, man. Do you have any particular problem with my explanation I gave above?
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:19:53pm |
re: #105 brookly red
well why does it bother you?
"Death Panels" is a good choice because its a big lie, it has gotten alot of repetition and its done a fair deal of damage.
you can always make your own listing of the 'biggest lie' if you disagree with them ;)
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McSpiff Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:20:22pm |
re: #105 brookly red
not really, there are many, many lies to chose from... for example "our nuclear program is for peaceful purposes" where dose one little website get off declaring which lie is biggest?
Who are you to say they can't?
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Cathypop Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:20:30pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:20:46pm |
re: #105 brookly red
not really, there are many, many lies to chose from... for example "our nuclear program is for peaceful purposes" where dose one little website get off declaring which lie is biggest?
Any website that builds credibility and is willing to risk it can play.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:21:49pm |
re: #100 JasonA
Help me out Lizards. Was this a prank call or what?
Tea Partier Calls C-SPAN, Worried His Prayers For Byrd To Die Got Inhofe Instead
It's like the Pulsa Dinura, if the target of the bad hoodoo has gris-gris, the bad hoodoo come back to yoodoo.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:21:51pm |
re: #92 badger1970
Not a good start for a hatchling.
Ought to get some interesting ones, with this thread!
Yes, it is.
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SixDegrees Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:22:23pm |
re: #48 Charles
Cool! I've been nominated as "most loathsome douchebag in the blogosphere!"
Loathsome, yet boring, yet they just can't seem to stop reading.
What does the trophy for that look like?
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webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:22:29pm |
re: #118 Alouette
It's like the Pulsa Dinura, if the target of the bad hoodoo has gris-gris, the bad hoodoo come back to yoodoo.
Karma, baby....
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:22:42pm |
re: #110 Decatur Deb
If you are laying in coordinates for imprecatory prayer you have to be careful with the Magnus and Coriolis effects.
Oh my God. I'm inclined to say 'that poor bastard', but then again, he did knowingly go ahead and pray for Byrd's death. Maybe a touch of panic will prevent him from trying that again.
I hope it's a hoax. Then again, I had a bunch of pagan girlfriends in college who thought exactly like this, so it's not like I have never met anyone with this much confidence in their prayers/candle spells.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:23:14pm |
I just don't like allowing an unofficial source declaring what is the biggest lie when there are so many to chose from. But then again I distrust the official sources even more. OK I will shut up now.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:23:37pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:23:47pm |
re: #111 Alouette
she lost weight?
Yes, she actually looks great these days. A very healthy weight. And not all Hollywooded up. The brain, however, is hopeless scrambled.
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webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:23:52pm |
re: #123 brookly red
I just don't like allowing an unofficial source declaring what is the biggest lie when there are so many to chose from. But then again I distrust the official sources even more. OK I will shut up now.
If it helps Glen Beck came in second...
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:25:15pm |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, she actually looks great these days. A very healthy weight. And not all Hollywooded up. The brain, however, is hopeless scrambled.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:25:19pm |
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McSpiff Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:25:21pm |
re: #123 brookly red
I just don't like allowing an unofficial source declaring what is the biggest lie when there are so many to chose from. But then again I distrust the official sources even more. OK I will shut up now.
I don't think they'll mind terribly if you disagree. You could even post your choice on your own website. But for many people who use that site as a reliable resource to fact-check politicians statements, seeing their opinion on the year gone by is fairly interesting.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:26:35pm |
re: #128 Alouette
Clarification: When she doesn't dress up like Hitler, she looks much healthier and better than she did when she was on her TV show.
But as I said, the brain is scrambled, leading to things like dressing up as Hitler.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:27:11pm |
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theheat Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:27:35pm |
re: #100 JasonA
Tea Partier Calls C-SPAN, Worried His Prayers For Byrd To Die Got Inhofe Instead
Don't forget Brittany Murphy. And that cat on the highway I saw on my way back from the store. And all the starving children in India...
Oh, the evils of poorly targeted prayer.
//
It's hard to think of these people out in the general population, moving about and blending in like everyone else. The Godtalkers - the ones with the 1-800 numbers to the big guy himself - are flatass nuts.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:28:43pm |
re: #100 JasonA
Help me out Lizards. Was this a prank call or what?
Tea Partier Calls C-SPAN, Worried His Prayers For Byrd To Die Got Inhofe Instead
It's a prank call.
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Summer Seale Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:28:49pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:29:32pm |
OT: NSFW Red Band Trailer for the movie Kick-Ass.
This film is sure to upset some people.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:29:35pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:29:50pm |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
It's a prank call.
Yeah, I'm coming around to that conclusion. But if you're a US Senator maybe you could say praying for people's death is a bad thing? I dunno.
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badger1970 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:30:08pm |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
It's amazing that something like that can even be seen as credible coming from supposed source.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:30:16pm |
re: #135 Summer
I shop at Sephora. No sharpies. =)
Oh, they got 'em. They're just by Smashbox, or Tarte, and they cost $28.00.
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theheat Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:30:54pm |
re: #135 Summer
Thank goodness, girl. All it takes is one blond with a Sharpie to make the rest of us blonds look crazy not very smart blond. It's a hard enough rap to live with, as it is.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:31:13pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:31:37pm |
re: #133 theheat
Don't forget Brittany Murphy. And that cat on the highway I saw on my way back from the store. And all the starving children in India...
Oh, the evils of poorly targeted prayer.
//It's hard to think of these people out in the general population, moving about and blending in like everyone else. The Godtalkers - the ones with the 1-800 numbers to the big guy himself - are flatass nuts.
How about anyone who believes in God? Flatass nuts?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:31:55pm |
re: #105 brookly red
not really, there are many, many lies to chose from... for example "our nuclear program is for peaceful purposes" where dose one little website get off declaring which lie is biggest?
Personally, I'm more concerned when Spin magazine put OK Computer as their greatest album of all time. I mean, it's good record, but jeez, guys. 9_9
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:32:36pm |
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:32:38pm |
re: #137 Decatur Deb
Do you like gladiator movies? Ever been hunted from a helicopter?
what's the difference how you kill them?....helicopters are almost a necessity
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:33:20pm |
re: #88 AFBG
This chucklehead was banned a few days ago under the name 'SherpaDirka' for doing the same thing.
Bye again! Take care now!
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:34:12pm |
re: #146 albusteve
I think the difference is in the 'sportsmanship'.
I'm not really making this comparison, but alot of my relatives hunt at our lake. The one that would set up a salt lick across the water and shoot deer from the porch swing was always considered an asshole.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:34:24pm |
re: #143 Walter L. Newton
How about anyone who believes in God? Flatass nuts?
I dunno, Walter. Me,
I believe in God's existence.
I believe that prayer is a good thing.
I believe that prayer, in ways we do not fully understand, and should probably not try to test out in double-blind studies, has some sort of effect on the world around us.
I do not believe that the creator of the heavens and the earth is accidentally gonna kill a different US Senator than the one I asked for to die. I also don't believe that the creator is going to go around killing people at my request.
If I am flatass nuts, I can live with that.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:34:30pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:34:43pm |
re: #143 Walter L. Newton
How about anyone who believes in God? Flatass nuts?
Believing in God is great! Believing that you can personally influence God and implore him to end the lives of politicians because they voted the wrong way is screaming bonkers crazy walnuts.
Though it sounds like that call was a prank.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:34:45pm |
re: #146 albusteve
what's the difference how you kill them?...helicopters are almost a necessity
drones are better :) much better...
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:35:13pm |
re: #146 albusteve
what's the difference how you kill them?...helicopters are almost a necessity
We're talking about different kinds of furries. Urban furries are best hunted from taxicabs.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:35:16pm |
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:35:30pm |
re: #148 windsagio
I think the difference is in the 'sportsmanship'.
I'm not really making this comparison, but alot of my relatives hunt at our lake. The one that would set up a salt lick across the water and shoot deer from the porch swing was always considered an asshole.
sportsmanship is relative and subjective....there is nothing inhumane about what she does
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:35:56pm |
re: #145 windsagio
I don't see you coming up with a candidate!
Off the top of my head I'd say The White Album or Sgt. Pepper.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:36:08pm |
re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist
What if you're J-Lo-ass nuts? Can you deal with that?
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:36:25pm |
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recusancy Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:37:13pm |
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:37:20pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:37:40pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:38:08pm |
re: #159 recusancy
Pearl Jam: Ten
I wouldn't call Ten the best album of all time, but I'd probably call it the best album of the 90's.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:38:33pm |
re: #157 obdicut
What if you're J-Lo-ass nuts? Can you deal with that?
I'm in favor of J-Lo's ass, so, sure.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:39:20pm |
re: #155 albusteve
yeah, like I said, I'm not actually saying doing is wrong (altho' I admit I don't like it), I'm trying to show why people feel that way.
I know we all thought Charlie was a TOTAL ass for hunting that way (altho this was back when I was a kid). People feel the same way about Palin. I think it comes down to 'why' people hunt.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:39:58pm |
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:40:49pm |
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:40:57pm |
re: #164 windsagio
yeah, like I said, I'm not actually saying doing is wrong (altho' I admit I don't like it), I'm trying to show why people feel that way.
I know we all thought Charlie was a TOTAL ass for hunting that way (altho this was back when I was a kid). People feel the same way about Palin. I think it comes down to 'why' people hunt.
they kill wolves in Alaska because there are too many of them....the indisputable premise
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morrisab Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:41:01pm |
re: #86 windsagio
An example is 'Cwm', which is an obsolete word for 'combe' (a word which is itself almost gone). Its derived from welsh, was used for a while (In parts of england), and now nobody outside of Wales recognizes it. That word is effectively no longer a part of the English language.
Unless, oddly enough, you're a mountaineering aficionado. One of the oft-mentioned features of Everest is the Western Cwm. I had to go look it up (it's on every other page of every book about the South Face), and I'm still not sure how it's pronounced, so thank you for its derivation. (Or, if I were to make up a word, its "derivity.")
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recusancy Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:41:16pm |
re: #162 WindUpBird
I wouldn't call Ten the best album of all time, but I'd probably call it the best album of the 90's.
It depends on what genre and time period I guess. Everybody always picks a Beatle's album. That's too easy. I would also make a case for Midnight Marauders.
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Summer Seale Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:41:55pm |
re: #141 theheat
Yea, I've lived with blonde jokes my whole life and I tell'em really well too. =)
I also do a great Sarah impression. All you do is grin a bit with your lower jaw pulled in a touch like you're about to bite your lower lip in a coquettish sorta way but with your mouth open still, keep your eyes open like you've just been totally surprised by something you really are still calculating up there to try to comprehend what it is, and move your eyes to the right and left, back and forth...as if trying to figure out what's going on.
Then just start spouting nonsense and don't really completely finish most of your thoughts. Rambling is good.
And remember when you give the surprised look and talk that "Uhuh...I'm still trying to figure this out" is repeating in your brain over and over again.
That's Sarah Palin. =)
And that's what I do when I write her posts here! =)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:43:17pm |
re: #169 recusancy
It depends on what genre and time period I guess. Everybody always picks a Beatle's album. That's too easy. I would also make a case for Midnight Marauders.
It took a supreme act of willpower for me not to say Houdini by The Melvins ;-)
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:45:58pm |
re: #169 recusancy
haha fair enough, how about "Ziggy Stardust" then? That is one fine piece of craftsmanship.
re: #168 morrisab
heh; it proves the point perfectly! I thought it was a word thats out of use, but its clearly not, it just has a very specific use! You'd probably have to go back to middle english to find truly obsolete words now... But middle english is considered a different language.
as to derivity, keep using it! It might catch on! (I think every clique I know has tried something like that, it never seems to work when done intentionally. Still worth trying tho' :))
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:46:50pm |
re: #168 morrisab
Like coom. I listened to Into Thin Air on cd.
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Locker Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:46:56pm |
It's taking a supreme act of willpower for me not to call Sarah Palin a manipulative, dishonest, slimy attention whore. I guess willpower loses... fuck her and the tweet she twittered in on.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:47:24pm |
This past Hanukkah, there has been a "Single Malt" Menorah, a "Jelly Bean" Menorah, but come on now, a "Sushi" Menorah?
That's just wrong.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:47:41pm |
re: #172 windsagio
haha fair enough, how about "Ziggy Stardust" then? That is one fine piece of craftsmanship.
Bowie was on his own special plane in regards to music in the 60's and 70's and 80's. No one could touch him. Granted, he wasn't to everyones taste, but he was one of most talented song writers in the business.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:48:10pm |
re: #174 Locker
It's taking a supreme act of willpower for me not to call Sarah Palin a manipulative, dishonest, slimy attention whore. I guess willpower loses... fuck her and the tweet she twittered in on.
I feel the same way about BO, but I don't let it get to me, I just let it go
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Locker Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:48:16pm |
re: #176 Walter L. Newton
Bowie was on his own special plane in regards to music in the 60's and 70's and 80's. No one could touch him. Granted, he wasn't to everyones taste, but he was one of most talented song writers in the business.
Right on.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:48:35pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:48:47pm |
re: #174 Locker
It's taking a supreme act of willpower for me not to call Sarah Palin a manipulative, dishonest, slimy attention whore. I guess willpower loses... fuck her and the tweet she twittered in on.
Somebody has to take up the slack left by Cato.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:49:16pm |
re: #175 Alouette
This past Hanukkah, there has been a "Single Malt" Menorah, a "Jelly Bean" Menorah, but come on now, a "Sushi" Menorah?
That's just wrong.
Ooooh, does it come w/miso? err I mean yes your right.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:49:56pm |
re: #167 albusteve
Well the premise is disputed (no that doesn't mean I wanna discuss that :p). Taking that as the case, the primary goal should be efficiency... And helicopter hunting would do that... On the other hand, peoples feelings often have nothing to do with facts, and people think of sport hunters and say that helicopter hunting is 'unfair'.
re: #176 Walter L. Newton
Oh absolutely. I think "Ziggy" is the best of his works too, his albums tend to be... uneven. Second is probably "Outside", which is brilliant if underappreciated.
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Ojoe Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:50:23pm |
We all go home Sarah. I hope nobody squanders resources on me when it is my time.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:50:42pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:50:50pm |
re: #181 wrenchwench
Somebody has to take up the slack left by Cato.
Here's your chance. Cato will be taking a vow of silence starting today for the next 15 days, so, if anyone ever wanted to try to up him on Sarah snark, go for it.
I spoke to him last night, he managed to get in a few Sarah remarks. The retreat he is at has taken away his blow-up Sarah Palin sex doll for the duration.
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Locker Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:52:59pm |
re: #181 wrenchwench
Somebody has to take up the slack left by Cato.
I would have to add a strong undercurrent of undesired attraction to my revulsion. Unfortunately blatant stupidity and professional victimhood are both attraction killers for me.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:53:16pm |
re: #186 brookly red
what have you done with cato?
Cato is at a retreat in Joshua Tree Ca. He spent Thursday and Friday night here at the Secret Mountain Lair in Colorado. He'll be sequestered for 15 days.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:54:51pm |
This sweet noodle kugel is really good. I didn't get some the other night, I had the cheesy kugel. No one is home, I hope I don't run out of this before anyone else has a chance at seconds... hehehehehe
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:55:40pm |
re: #189 Walter L. Newton
Cato is at a retreat in Joshua Tree Ca. He spent Thursday and Friday night here at the Secret Mountain Lair in Colorado. He'll be sequestered for 15 days.
A secret mountain lair in CO huh?
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morrisab Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:55:52pm |
re: #172 windsagio
haha fair enough, how about "Ziggy Stardust" then? That is one fine piece of craftsmanship.
re: #168 morrisab
heh; it proves the point perfectly! I thought it was a word thats out of use, but its clearly not, it just has a very specific use! You'd probably have to go back to middle english to find truly obsolete words now... But middle english is considered a different language.
as to derivity, keep using it! It might catch on! (I think every clique I know has tried something like that, it never seems to work when done intentionally. Still worth trying tho' :))
I think it was reading the Twitter and then Summer's excellent post - my brain skipped a beat and I forgot the actual word I wanted, which was "etymology."
At least, that's my explanation and I'm sticking to it.
And, in truth, some of the features of Everest were named by the British in the early part of the 20th Century, so "cwm" was probably more common then, and among them - they had to either climb in Scotland or Wales to get practice in, as I understand it.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:57:07pm |
re: #191 brookly red
A secret mountain lair in CO huh?
Yes, he was driving cross country and spent two days with me and the family and then went on to Ca. Nice guy, looks just like his avatar.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:57:40pm |
re: #187 Walter L. Newton
My favorite Trappist joke:
A monastery had an old custom of allowing one monk to say one thing on St. Benedict's feast day. One year Brother Infirmarian rose at meal and said "I hate to complain, but the quality of the food has been deteriorating". He sat down.
Nest year, based on seniority, it happened to be Brother Cook's turn: "You just don't understand how difficult and expensive it is to get proper spices."
Next year was young Brother Librarian: "I haven't been here that long, but if all this bickering doesn't stop, I'm outta here."
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:57:43pm |
If it gets her any kind of attention, then it's a lie worth repeating. That is the wisdom of "little ole Sarah Palin from Wasilla"
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:57:44pm |
We're watching "I Want a Dog for Christmas, Charlie Brown". Alternatively named - "Schultz is gone, let's make some more dough off him"
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Locker Tue, Dec 22, 2009 4:57:48pm |
re: #191 brookly red
A secret mountain lair in CO huh?
I think that's where they took Matthew Broderick after he hacked Joshua the WOPR in War Games.
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wrenchwench Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:01:39pm |
Well, I had a nice day. Didn't get called a douchebag of any sort. And a mechanic from the garage where we got our Ranger fixed three times this year brought me a plate of Christmas cookies!
See y'all tomorrow.
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surlygurl Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:04:54pm |
Sorry if someone already wrote this, I haven't had a chance to read thru all the previous comments. But on the same day Politifact votes her "death panels" crap the biggest political lie of the year, she re-states it via Twitter? Is she really that delusional? Or is she just doing the Republican game of repeating nonsense often enough that certain types start to believe it. Criminey.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:05:35pm |
re: #199 surlygurl
Up-dinged for use of the word "Criminey".
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:06:39pm |
It looks like the bill is going to pass, and Palin is playing the only card she has -- blind, dumb fear -- to try to whip up the base at the last minute.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:07:38pm |
re: #196 cliffster
We're watching "I Want a Dog for Christmas, Charlie Brown". Alternatively named - "Schultz is gone, let's make some more dough off him"
Enjoy it while you can. Next year, the president will probably preempt it with some speech or other. On purpose. Because he hates dogs, and America.
//
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:09:35pm |
re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist
Enjoy it while you can. Next year, the president will probably preempt it with some speech or other. On purpose. Because he hates dogs, and America.
//
Hey, there is a big difference between hating & not being proud of... sheesh.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:10:08pm |
re: #201 Charles
It looks like the bill is going to pass, and Palin is playing the only card she has -- blind, dumb fear -- to try to whip up the base at the last minute.
She *might* be able to whip up a little fury with the dumbfucks at Fox & Friends, but really, the 'death panel' lie is more a grab for attention - to her - than it is an attempt to change public opinion.
The bill is going to pass...whether Congress has the stones to clean up some of the insane crap that the Senate added with regard to abortion, for example, in conference remains to be seen.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:11:27pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:13:11pm |
Anyone good with removing viruses? For about an hour I keep getting a message about a virus. When I try to remove it, it happens again within a few minutes. I'm running an AVG scan now. Not sure what else to do.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:13:19pm |
re: #204 darthstar
She *might* be able to whip up a little fury with the dumbfucks at Fox & Friends, but really, the 'death panel' lie is more a grab for attention - to her - than it is an attempt to change public opinion.
The bill is going to pass...whether Congress has the stones to clean up some of the insane crap that the Senate added with regard to abortion, for example, in conference remains to be seen.
When you say "insane crap that the Senate added with regard to abortion" you mean the compromise, right? Do you want more restrictions on federal funding of abortions or less?
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:14:07pm |
re: #206 Mad Al-Jaffee
Anyone good with removing viruses? For about an hour I keep getting a message about a virus. When I try to remove it, it happens again within a few minutes. I'm running an AVG scan now. Not sure what else to do.
got malwarebytes?
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:15:19pm |
re: #206 Mad Al-Jaffee
Restart in safe mode and run AVG. Also, google the name of the virus for information.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:15:46pm |
re: #208 brookly red
got malwarebytes?
Yeah. Haven't run it tonight. I usually do run it overnight. I have a feeling the virus warning might be a virus itself. I keep getting prompted to download some anti-virus software but I don't want to risk that.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:16:01pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:16:32pm |
re: #206 Mad Al-Jaffee
Anyone good with removing viruses? For about an hour I keep getting a message about a virus. When I try to remove it, it happens again within a few minutes. I'm running an AVG scan now. Not sure what else to do.
What is the name of the virus? What AV are you running? Sometimes with new signatures you need to run a cleaner specifically for the variant.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:16:56pm |
re: #204 darthstar
She *might* be able to whip up a little fury with the dumbfucks at Fox & Friends, but really, the 'death panel' lie is more a grab for attention - to her - than it is an attempt to change public opinion.
The bill is going to pass...whether Congress has the stones to clean up some of the insane crap that the Senate added with regard to abortion, for example, in conference remains to be seen.
If the congress opens it up at all it will be a feeding frenzy now that the senate has set the vote buying precedent. (go on Basho do your thing)
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:16:56pm |
re: #204 darthstar
She *might* be able to whip up a little fury with the dumbfucks at Fox & Friends, but really, the 'death panel' lie is more a grab for attention - to her - than it is an attempt to change public opinion.
Get ready. The GOP is going gleefully gloat and cheer over every American death from here on out and blame it on Obama's death panels.
/I wish I has kidding
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:17:14pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
When you say "insane crap that the Senate added with regard to abortion" you mean the compromise, right? Do you want more restrictions on federal funding of abortions or less?
I believe abortion should be accessible and affordable (and free for women who earn less than 20,000 dollars a year). It's a woman's choice, not mine. And it's certainly not Ben Nelson's responsibility to decide the fate of half the population with regard to a single medical procedure.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:17:35pm |
re: #210 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yeah. Haven't run it tonight. I usually do run it overnight. I have a feeling the virus warning might be a virus itself. I keep getting prompted to download some anti-virus software but I don't want to risk that.
no. don't do that! It probably is...
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:17:53pm |
re: #214 Killgore Trout
it'll be especially great in the assisted suicide states!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:18:03pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
When you say "insane crap that the Senate added with regard to abortion" you mean the compromise, right? Do you want more restrictions on federal funding of abortions or less?
What they're restricting, as I understand it, is it jeopardizes health insurance coverage of abortions in any way.
"An analysis at the George Washington University Medical Center concluded the Stupak–Pitts Amendment would have the effect of eliminating coverage of medically indicated abortions for all women, not just those receiving subsidies or participating in the exchange. The analysis also says the Amendment's restrictions would hinder the insurance industry's ability to market supplemental coverage for abortions, and impact the current ability of individual states to provide such supplemental coverage to Medicaid recipients."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Unsurprisingly, I am against the Stupak-Pitts amendment. If that's the hoops we have to jump through to get the bill through, fine, but it sucks.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:18:44pm |
re: #217 windsagio
it'll be especially great in the assisted suicide states!
Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. That's going to make the abortion issue look like peanuts.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:18:47pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
When you say "insane crap that the Senate added with regard to abortion" you mean the compromise, right? Do you want more restrictions on federal funding of abortions or less?
Stupak is insane. The Senate compromise will inconvenience me less, but isn't exactly good news.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:19:06pm |
re: #215 darthstar
I believe abortion should be accessible and affordable (and free for women who earn less than 20,000 dollars a year). It's a woman's choice, not mine. And it's certainly not Ben Nelson's responsibility to decide the fate of half the population with regard to a single medical procedure.
Just wondering. There mau alrady be concerns in the house again...
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:19:39pm |
re: #214 Killgore Trout
Get ready. The GOP is going gleefully gloat and cheer over every American death from here on out and blame it on Obama's death panels.
/I wish I has kidding
that is like saying the left cheered on combat deaths in Iraq... & I find it offensive.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:20:02pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:20:10pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:20:24pm |
I think this is the trojan: [Link: www.411-spyware.com...]
I'm running AVG Anti-Virus, Free Edition. I installed the latest version a couple of weeks ago.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:20:24pm |
re: #214 Killgore Trout
Get ready. The GOP is going gleefully gloat and cheer over every American death from here on out and blame it on Obama's death panels.
/I wish I has kidding
Suddenly, we're going to go from Democrat telling pathetic anecdotes of people dying because of health-care screwups to a Republican audience singing "lalala I can't HEEEEEEAAAR you!" to the opposite set-up. Not gonna be useful, either way.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:20:24pm |
re: #214 Killgore Trout
Get ready. The GOP is going gleefully gloat and cheer over every American death from here on out and blame it on Obama's death panels.
/I wish I has kidding
Huh?
I mean, huh?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:20:28pm |
re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist
Durr, I'm behind on this, I thought Stupak-Pitts was still in the bill.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:21:32pm |
re: #218 WindUpBird
What they're restricting, as I understand it, is it jeopardizes health insurance coverage of abortions in any way.
"An analysis at the George Washington University Medical Center concluded the Stupak–Pitts Amendment would have the effect of eliminating coverage of medically indicated abortions for all women, not just those receiving subsidies or participating in the exchange. The analysis also says the Amendment's restrictions would hinder the insurance industry's ability to market supplemental coverage for abortions, and impact the current ability of individual states to provide such supplemental coverage to Medicaid recipients."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Unsurprisingly, I am against the Stupak-Pitts amendment. If that's the hoops we have to jump through to get the bill through, fine, but it sucks.
It is a hell of a price to pay. And it's a BIG win for the religious right, no matter how they cry victim on this bill. Christmas came early.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:21:36pm |
re: #222 brookly red
that is like saying the left cheered on combat deaths in Iraq...
They did.
& I find it offensive.
Me too.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:21:51pm |
re: #213 brookly red
If the congress opens it up at all it will be a feeding frenzy now that the senate has set the vote buying precedent. (go on Basho do your thing)
Yes, that whole Medicaid for Nebraska thing isn't sitting well with many people. The bottom line, however, is that states with small populations like Nebraska, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, etc. benefit greatly from the money collected from states like California and New York. They're not going to 'suffer' if there's a public option...they'll even benefit from it. It's like the farm-bill mentality...that's free money! We're not going to let you take that away! Hell no! - and the people who benefit most from the Farm Bill are often large corporations playing a shell game with the government by getting Farm Bill grants for their 'loss leaders' -- farms they run for no profit.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:22:24pm |
re: #209 Bagua
Restart in safe mode and run AVG. Also, google the name of the virus for information.
Stupid question time. How do I restart in safe mode?
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:22:44pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:23:26pm |
re: #228 WindUpBird
Durr, I'm behind on this, I thought Stupak-Pitts was still in the bill.
The Senate didn't go with it. This thing has a lot of moving parts right now...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:23:46pm |
re: #233 Mad Al-Jaffee
Stupid question time. How do I restart in safe mode?
Should be able to pound on F5 as you boot up, it'll give you the option of safe mode.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:23:50pm |
re: #221 Walter L. Newton
Stupak's a prick and deserves to be kicked to the curb for being a self-righteous single-issue asshole.
It's time conservatives (Republican and Democratic) stop trying to fuck over women just to protect their religious base voters' hyper-sensitivity on one issue.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:23:51pm |
IIRC the *current* health care bill will not even take effect until 2-3 years from now, even though the taxes begin in 2010.
Or am I wrong (again).
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:24:00pm |
re: #234 windsagio
Whups, Tu Quoque again!
It doesn't matter if they did or not.
And I don't think they ever did that anyway?
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:24:16pm |
re: #233 Mad Al-Jaffee
Stupid question time. How do I restart in safe mode?
Press F8 between the bios and windows boot up..You only get about 2-5 secs.. it may take a few times to catch the timing
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:24:27pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:24:43pm |
re: #237 darthstar
Stupak's a prick and deserves to be kicked to the curb for being a self-righteous single-issue asshole.
It's time conservatives (Republican and Democratic) stop trying to fuck over women just to protect their religious base voters' hyper-sensitivity on one issue.
Don't yell at me, I was just pointing out this current article. Sorry.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:24:45pm |
re: #236 WindUpBird
Should be able to pound on F5 as you boot up, it'll give you the option of safe mode.
F5 or F8...hell, I can never remember myself.
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:25:00pm |
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:25:01pm |
re: #239 Walter L. Newton
sadly enough, some did (even people I knew personally).
Awful awful people.
I just don't like to address the point in that kind of situation because its buying into the trick.
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:25:06pm |
re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist
Stupak is insane. The Senate compromise will inconvenience me less, but isn't exactly good news.
How are you inconvenienced out of curiosity?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:25:24pm |
re: #238 Racer X
IIRC the *current* health care bill will not even take effect until 2-3 years from now, even though the taxes begin in 2010.
Or am I wrong (again).
I thought it was that the whole thing wouldn't kick in for a couple years, but some of it kicks in earlier.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:25:24pm |
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Mark Pennington Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:25:55pm |
As always with Palin, it starts with a lie (the existence of a group of people who decide who gets health coverage within Obama's health care plan). Inherent within this lie is a malicious scare tactic which is used to prey on the ignorant (call those groups bureaucratic "Death Panels" who decide who lives and who dies based on their usefulness to society). Add in the abusive injection of her special needs child to make a cheap political point. And top it all off with a moral absolutist, "holier than thou" judgment that the heath care plan (and Obama by extension) is evil.
Palin does not care WHAT she says (she doesn't understand most of it anyway), she just wants to get in the news. This is the way it's going to be for years, folks.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:26:01pm |
re: #234 windsagio
Whups, Tu Quoque again!
It doesn't matter if they did or not.
I does to me. tu quogue you.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:26:25pm |
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:26:36pm |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
Don't yell at me, I was just pointing out this current article. Sorry.
I wasn't yelling at you. And as I hit post a second ago I thought, Gee...that's not very Christmassy...anyway, I can's stand Stupak, Nelson, or a lot of those hypocrites. It is my sincere hope that they're soon plagued by some scandal and forced out of office--even if it means getting a few Rs where we had Ds. There's no room for assholes like that.
Oh, and Merry Christmas.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:27:44pm |
re: #245 windsagio
[snip]
I just don't like to address the point in that kind of situation because its buying into the trick.
I didn't ask you to, did I? I didn't even think it ever happened. Boy, you assume so much. I was supporting the left in my comment, I had never heard any stuff like that.
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:28:25pm |
re: #252 Mad Al-Jaffee
XP
Press the function key F8 while it is booting up a few times, you will then get an option to start in safemode.
You can then run your virus scan in safemode.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:28:26pm |
In the hot Air thread I linked to earlier they're now debating if it's ok to call black people baboons. At least they're having the debate so I guess that's an improvement.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:28:29pm |
re: #246 borgcube
How are you inconvenienced out of curiosity?
California won't take the option, is how I'm NOT inconvenienced.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:28:51pm |
re: #253 darthstar
I wasn't yelling at you. And as I hit post a second ago I thought, Gee...that's not very Christmassy...anyway, I can's stand Stupak, Nelson, or a lot of those hypocrites. It is my sincere hope that they're soon plagued by some scandal and forced out of office--even if it means getting a few Rs where we had Ds. There's no room for assholes like that.
Oh, and Merry Christmas.
I'm okay with moderate or right-wing dems in districts and states that just would not go for a liberal dem. I'll stay right here in Portland, where we have our hyper-wonk liberal Earl Blumenhauer representing us :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:29:42pm |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
In the hot Air thread I linked to earlier they're now debating if it's ok to call black people baboons. At least they're having the debate so I guess that's an improvement.
Well...er...this is a no-win, that's how.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:29:53pm |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
In the hot Air thread I linked to earlier they're now debating if it's ok to call black people baboons. At least they're having the debate so I guess that's an improvement.
Next up on hot-air: What is the etiquette for wearing Klan robes at a wedding?
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:29:55pm |
re: #251 brookly red
Ok lets focus on this. Why does it matter to you? Specifically, how does it have any bearing on the idea of the right pouncing on deaths to make a political point? Its certainly likely to happen, and certainly bad.
Now just tell me what the left did in the past has to do with that.
re: #254 Walter L. Newton
I didn't say you did :p I was just overcommunicating in general. It was a chance to explain why I feel you can't reply straight in thta kind of situation :)
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:30:17pm |
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:30:49pm |
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:30:55pm |
re: #252 Mad Al-Jaffee
XP
But if you have the virus Trojan-Downloader you posted then you don't need to scan in safemode, just disable it in the start menu and it won't run anymore or bother you. Then delete it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:31:27pm |
re: #250 HoosierHoops
It's F8
haha, you're right. I think it was F5 on my old beater laptop, but it's been a loooong time since I've had to use safe mode. The hardware always fails on me before Windows does.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:31:36pm |
re: #255 Bagua
Press the function key F8 while it is booting up a few times, you will then get an option to start in safemode.
You can then run your virus scan in safemode.
Also download Adaware and/or MalwareBytes. Thre's a good chance it's either malware or spam-bots that are screwing up your machine...Viruses aren't so common these days as most ISPs filter them out before they reach their clients.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:32:16pm |
re: #263 windsagio
hope that helps!
They look like they're about to cast Magic Missile at a jabberwocky.
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:32:25pm |
re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist
California won't take the option, is how I'm NOT inconvenienced.
I'm such a dope, I still don't get it. What's the big deal about this amendment that has you all worked up? Make it simple for me.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:32:52pm |
re: #264 Bagua
I'm running an AVG scan now and I'll try a malwarebytes scan later. So far this is just an annoyance, I think.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:33:27pm |
Go Forth and Steal, Says English Priest
For some 3,500 years, the 10 Commandments have included the easy-to-follow instruction, "Thou shalt not steal." But one British Anglican priest thinks that ancient command is now out-of-touch with our recession-hit world and has suggested it be changed to something more flexible, such as: "Thou shalt not steal, unless you're short of cash."
The Rev. Tim Jones issued his new religious edict on Sunday, while addressing worshippers at the Church of St. Lawrence, in the northern English city of York. He told parishioners that poor people struggling to survive should steal food and other essentials from shops, rather than raise money through prostitution, burglary or mugging.
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:33:29pm |
re: #262 Racer X
It must be fate.
Also...The ad that comes up for a fake AV removal program can be googled to a manual regedit removal..I came across one about a month ago...
4 registry entries needed removal.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:34:00pm |
re: #267 WindUpBird
They look like they're about to cast Magic Missile at a jabberwocky.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:34:17pm |
OT: Hanging out at my wife's cousin's for Xmas...she just came in with a bottle of Maker's...time to leave the computer for a while and make us some manhattans.
Cheers, everyone.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:34:21pm |
re: #263 windsagio
hope that helps!
Why Rhett, how many times have ah told ya t'wash up after th' weekly cross-burnin'?
Greatest. Comedy. Ever.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:34:23pm |
New Nicolis Cage movie: Craptastically Awesome?
Kick-Ass Red Band Hit Girl Trailer
[Link: www.break.com...]
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:34:47pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:34:58pm |
This "Download Free Scanner Now!" popup is really getting old.
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:35:42pm |
re: #277 Mad Al-Jaffee
This "Download Free Scanner Now!" popup is really getting old.
It gets worse..What is the name of the scanner they want you to buy?
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:35:44pm |
re: #274 Alouette
just about any blazing saddles gets an upding from me. What ever happened to poor mel brooks?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:35:44pm |
re: #261 windsagio
Ok lets focus on this. Why does it matter to you? Specifically, how does it have any bearing on the idea of the right pouncing on deaths to make a political point? Its certainly likely to happen, and certainly bad.
it's like, PETA is "the left", Cynthia McKinney is "the left", anarchists from Eugene are "the left", and Andrea Dworkin is 'the left". Using these entities as an argument against all liberals is ludicrous, since they don't have any credibility with the mainstream Democrats.
I don't know if the GOP proper will go full hog about health care deaths. I think Bachmann might, though! She is an elected representative, and more mainstream than the true fringe, but she's in the outer realms of the GOP.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:35:54pm |
re: #269 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm running an AVG scan now and I'll try a malwarebytes scan later. So far this is just an annoyance, I think.
check your cpu usage... if it's going up it might be a worm dressed up like a virus...
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MandyManners Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:36:34pm |
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:36:41pm |
re: #270 Racer X
Go Forth and Steal, Says English Priest
For some 3,500 years, the 10 Commandments have included the easy-to-follow instruction, "Thou shalt not steal." But one British Anglican priest thinks that ancient command is now out-of-touch with our recession-hit world and has suggested it be changed to something more flexible, such as: "Thou shalt not steal, unless you're short of cash."
The Rev. Tim Jones issued his new religious edict on Sunday, while addressing worshippers at the Church of St. Lawrence, in the northern English city of York. He told parishioners that poor people struggling to survive should steal food and other essentials from shops, rather than raise money through prostitution, burglary or mugging.
This can't be real although it doesn't have The Onion feel to it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:36:43pm |
re: #279 windsagio
just about any blazing saddles gets an upding from me. What ever happened to poor mel brooks?
The Young Frankenstein musical is playing at the Kennedy Center now.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:36:49pm |
re: #275 Killgore Trout
I might upgrade that to just plain awesome.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:38:04pm |
re: #280 WindUpBird
true enough. I'm just using these evil generalizations (agianst both sides!) in order to keep my post short (its that IM/texting habit again!) I really want him to try to defend the logical fallacy in general, since it seems to come up alot in these political discussions.
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Mark Pennington Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:38:45pm |
re: #48 Charles
Cool! I've been nominated as "most loathsome douchebag in the blogosphere!"
Loathsome, yet boring, yet they just can't seem to stop reading.
Speaking of awards, I nominated LGF for the 2009 Weblog Awards. I'm not sure if the nominations are over yet...if not, you all should go vote for this site!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:39:12pm |
re: #278 HoosierHoops
It gets worse..What is the name of the scanner they want you to buy?
Malware Defense
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:39:31pm |
re: #285 Killgore Trout
I might upgrade that to just plain awesome.
pre-teens using graphic, vulgar language should be a sensation
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:39:53pm |
re: #269 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm running an AVG scan now and I'll try a malwarebytes scan later. So far this is just an annoyance, I think.
A quick way to get rid of this is to type Start: Run: msconfig (enter)
Choose: Selective start up
Click the startup tab, find your adware item and uncheck it, (do this for any unnecessary programs that start automatically when windows starts.)
Then click Apply, and OK and restart.
Now the adware will not run or bother you, and if you turn off a bunch of unnecessary programs your PC will run better.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:39:59pm |
re: #283 borgcube
This can't be real although it doesn't have The Onion feel to it.
The old Baltimore Catechism (RC) taught a starving man could steal food, in exceptional cases, since the right to life trumped property.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:40:05pm |
re: #275 Killgore Trout
New Nicolis Cage movie: Craptastically Awesome?
Kick-Ass Red Band Hit Girl Trailer
[Link: www.break.com...]
OK, part of me is going 'fuck yeah!'; and another part is 'WTF'?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:40:19pm |
re: #268 borgcube
I'm such a dope, I still don't get it. What's the big deal about this amendment that has you all worked up? Make it simple for me.
If my understanding at this hour is correct Stupak-Pitts, which was accepted by the House, but not the Senate, states that health plan providers who take federal funds, as in the case of those that accept people on Medicare or Medicaid, shall not provide abortions as part of a package that is offered either to those persons on Federal healthcare, or those, like me, who are not. They can offer separate little abortion-providing packages.
It's a bit like the kid who can't stand to have his peas touch his mashed potatoes so much that he has to have them on separate plates.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:41:14pm |
re: #289 albusteve
pre-teens using graphic, vulgar language should be a sensation
Yeah no shit. And the graphic violence. WTF?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:41:41pm |
re: #292 Racer X
Yeah, I'm not sure about it myself. Here's another scene....
Kick Ass - Big Daddy , Hit Girl and the Bullet Proof Vest
Looks like it might be ok, at least it's something a little different.
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:42:02pm |
re: #288 Mad Al-Jaffee
Malware Defense
Here is the removal tool..Scan down about 2/3rd of the page to download
[Link: www.2-spyware.com...]
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:42:17pm |
re: #284 Mad Al-Jaffee
The Young Frankenstein musical is playing at the Kennedy Center now.
I thought "The Producers" musical blew chunks.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:42:26pm |
re: #294 Racer X
Yeah no shit. And the graphic violence. WTF?
we dig this stuff...the more the better....it's the Howard Stern Effect on steroids
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Basho Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:42:35pm |
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:42:43pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:43:07pm |
re: #295 Killgore Trout
Embedding disabled. Let's try that again...
Kick Ass - Big Daddy , Hit Girl and the Bullet Proof Vest
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:43:21pm |
re: #296 HoosierHoops
Here is the removal tool..Scan down about 2/3rd of the page to download
[Link: www.2-spyware.com...]
Or delete these keys:
KEY_CLASSES_ROOT*shellexContextMenuHandlersSimpleShlExt
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOTCLSID{5E2121EE-0300-11D4-8D3B-444553540000}
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOTFoldershellexContextMenuHandlersSimpleShlExt
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMalware Defense
HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVersionRun "Malware Defense"
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:44:27pm |
re: #302 HoosierHoops
might not be wise to advice people who don't really know what they're doing (no offense) to mess with their registries. One or 2 little mistakes, and BLAMMO!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:45:10pm |
re: #298 albusteve
we dig this stuff...the more the better...it's the Howard Stern Effect on steroids
Part of the point is that not every movie, song or video game needs to be safe for the whole family. This isn't a movie for children. Remember when they actually used to make R rated movies for adults. Clockwork Orange?
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:45:39pm |
re: #303 windsagio
might not be wise to advice people who don't really know what they're doing (no offense) to mess with their registries. One or 2 little mistakes, and BLAMMO!
You are correct...Download the cleaner tool Mad...
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:45:44pm |
Thomas Sowell: anti-science climate change denier.
How pathetic. I used to have a lot of respect for Sowell -- it's all gone now.
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Locker Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:45:53pm |
re: #206 Mad Al-Jaffee
Anyone good with removing viruses? For about an hour I keep getting a message about a virus. When I try to remove it, it happens again within a few minutes. I'm running an AVG scan now. Not sure what else to do.
If you are getting a popup saying you have a virus and it's not from AVG it's probably some spyware/malware crap on your machine. AVG is a great anti-virus program but it doesn't handle everything. Get the latest versions of Spybot and Ad-Aware (both free), update em and run em. Those two plus AVG can handle just about anything.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:47:22pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Part of the point is that not every movie, song or video game needs to be safe for the whole family. This isn't a movie for children. Remember when they actually used to make R rated movies for adults. Clockwork Orange?
yesterdays R is todays PG 13
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:47:22pm |
re: #301 Killgore Trout
mainly from the previous trailer link, but I admit I dig the 'UFO' purple wig the girl is rockin'
reference:
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bricko Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:48:24pm |
But there are STILL and they are called( Independent Medical Advisory Board) that decide what Medicare et al WILL PAY FOR.
Harry made sure it is in there AND put in a rule that they can NOT be taken out.
Why did Harry just change the senate rules for that the IMAB "Death Panel" can not be repealed in future rules.
The bill changes some Senate rules to say we can't vote in a future Congress to repeal the IMAB (death panels). A senate rules change would require 67 votes for cloture on the bill, but the parliamentarian decided its a "procedural change" not a "rules change" so they only need 60...
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]
And why is there a new 15 person IMAB - Independent Medical Advisory Board - to approve any new Medicare procedures - which means the ones they will actually pay for.
[Link: www.slate.com...]
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:48:29pm |
re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist
If my understanding at this hour is correct Stupak-Pitts, which was accepted by the House, but not the Senate, states that health plan providers who take federal funds, as in the case of those that accept people on Medicare or Medicaid, shall not provide abortions as part of a package that is offered either to those persons on Federal healthcare, or those, like me, who are not. They can offer separate little abortion-providing packages.
It's a bit like the kid who can't stand to have his peas touch his mashed potatoes so much that he has to have them on separate plates.
Sounds like California Earthquake insurance. No big woop.
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Locker Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:48:30pm |
re: #307 Locker
If you are getting a popup saying you have a virus and it's not from AVG it's probably some spyware/malware crap on your machine. AVG is a great anti-virus program but it doesn't handle everything. Get the latest versions of Spybot and Ad-Aware (both free), update em and run em. Those two plus AVG can handle just about anything.
Additionally get Spyware Blaster and install/update it. That program isn't a scanner, it's a passive blocker but it blocks a LOT of shit.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:49:20pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Part of the point is that not every movie, song or video game needs to be safe for the whole family. This isn't a movie for children. Remember when they actually used to make R rated movies for adults. Clockwork Orange?
I don't deny that...so what's the point with the child's language?...must be for the edgy shock effect people want....ho hum...I hope adults get their money's worth
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Aye Pod Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:49:29pm |
re: #299 Basho
Watch House reruns?
We at Jimmah-Ice productions have other, perhaps more interesting ideas about how to spend your time tomorrow. Check your email! :-)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:49:41pm |
re: #311 borgcube
Sounds like California Earthquake insurance. No big woop.
There are no powerful political and religious voices trying to get earthquake insurance banned.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:49:42pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:49:45pm |
re: #307 Locker
If you are getting a popup saying you have a virus and it's not from AVG it's probably some spyware/malware crap on your machine. AVG is a great anti-virus program but it doesn't handle everything. Get the latest versions of Spybot and Ad-Aware (both free), update em and run em. Those two plus AVG can handle just about anything.
I've been having trouble updating Spybot and Ad Aware. I just restarted and so far, no pop-ups. I'll run Malwarebytes tonight.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:50:25pm |
re: #318 Mad Al-Jaffee
the more evil ones try to block you from downloading tools that fix them. Its awful >
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:50:30pm |
re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist
There are no powerful political and religious voices trying to get earthquake insurance banned.
Nor are there any elected officials forcing me to buy it.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:50:43pm |
re: #310 bricko
Death panels! Aaahhh! We're doomed!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:50:56pm |
re: #309 windsagio
Heh. That reminds me that I was always a little uncomfortable with The Professional because they sexualized the little girl too much. Looks like the avoided that with Hit Girl.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:51:18pm |
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:52:03pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:52:22pm |
re: #310 bricko
But there are STILL and they are called( Independent Medical Advisory Board) that decide what Medicare et al WILL PAY FOR.
There are also boards deciding what every health plan in the country will pay for. Now, if you believe in your heart that all health plans, or even just publicly provided ones, should provide all services to all people, to the natural end of life, good for you, and I suggest you go right on out there and fight for that.
Good luck.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:52:47pm |
re: #297 Alouette
I thought "The Producers" musical blew chunks.
I kind of liked the movie version, but mainly because of Uma Thurman. And I loved the season of Curb Your Enthusiasm when Larry was starring in the play.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:52:58pm |
re: #322 Killgore Trout
heh, now I feel awkward for a poorly chosen UFO scene (albeit with maximized purple wig action)
yer right tho', its interesting in that theres ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO TELL whether that will be a fun movie or just freakin' agonizing.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:53:09pm |
re: #295 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I'm not sure about it myself. Here's another scene...
Kick Ass - Big Daddy , Hit Girl and the Bullet Proof Vest
[Video]Looks like it might be ok, at least it's something a little different.
Well, that looks to make Quentin Tarantino giddy.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:54:04pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:54:17pm |
re: #319 windsagio
the more evil ones try to block you from downloading tools that fix them. Its awful >
I had a really bad problem a couple of years ago with one that wouldn't let me use google, Facebook, Hotmail, pretty much any popular program I had. Fortunately, as a library guy, I knew about other search engines and was able to find and install Malwarebytes. That took care of that problem.
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Locker Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:54:29pm |
re: #312 Locker
Additionally get Spyware Blaster and install/update it. That program isn't a scanner, it's a passive blocker but it blocks a LOT of shit.
Just to make sure you and others get the right links:
Security
Spybot
ad-aware
spyware blaster
avg free
zonealarm free firewall
Utilites
EasyCleaner
keepass - password safe
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:54:43pm |
re: #318 Mad Al-Jaffee
When you've gotten rid of this pest, uninstall AVG, Spybot and Adaware and such and install the Avira free antivirus.
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Locker Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:56:31pm |
re: #319 windsagio
the more evil ones try to block you from downloading tools that fix them. Its awful >
Good point which is why you should always keep a copy of your security programs and the latest defs on a flash drive or rewritable CD. First thing you do when you get an infection is unplug your internet cable. That stops downloader viruses from reinstalling themselves and their buddies.
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:57:04pm |
re: #330 brookly red
Reidco. has the best rates I hear...
I have AAA. It's pretty cheap, the coverage is great, but the deductible is high. I figure if my home is a total loss, a few hundred per year and 50K if the big one hits is a good deal to get it back.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:57:16pm |
re: #333 Bagua
When you've gotten rid of this pest, uninstall AVG, Spybot and Adaware and such and install the Avira free antivirus.
Trying that now.
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jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:58:08pm |
re: #306 Charles
Thomas Sowell: anti-science climate change denier.
How pathetic. I used to have a lot of respect for Sowell -- it's all gone now.
That is disappointing.
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:58:14pm |
And turn on Windows firewall. None of the other programs are necessary.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:58:18pm |
re: #320 borgcube
Nor are there any elected officials forcing me to buy it.
True, but totally irrelevent to the discussion, unless you're so pissed about being required to buy insurance that no other part of the bill seems even vaguely important to you.
Look, that's why I'm pissed. Because the House passed Stupak-Pitts, which is a calculated attempt to remove abortion services from normal health care coverage. If that seems unimportant to you, I can merely disagree.
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McSpiff Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:58:25pm |
re: #335 Locker
Good point which is why you should always keep a copy of your security programs and the latest defs on a flash drive or rewritable CD. First thing you do when you get an infection is unplug your internet cable. That stops downloader viruses from reinstalling themselves and their buddies.
Man, the WC's laptop got a virus on it which I couldn't find or get rid of for the life of me. I've never seen anything like it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:59:50pm |
re: #330 brookly red
Reidco. has the best rates I hear...
I strongly suggest buying earthquake insurance if you live in a suitable area, regardless of what the government says about it. Just in case. I was around for Loma Prieta, and it's AMAZING how fast a million-dollar home can just sort of fall into the ground.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:00:38pm |
re: #336 borgcube
I have AAA. It's pretty cheap, the coverage is great, but the deductible is high. I figure if my home is a total loss, a few hundred per year and 50K if the big one hits is a good deal to get it back.
Sorry, Redico was just a joke... like Pelosie Inc. Sorry, my bad.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:00:43pm |
re: #335 Locker
Good point which is why you should always keep a copy of your security programs and the latest defs on a flash drive or rewritable CD. First thing you do when you get an infection is unplug your internet cable. That stops downloader viruses from reinstalling themselves and their buddies.
Guess I'll need to reboot my router. Back in a bit.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:00:53pm |
MSNBC host yells at congresswoman because she cannot explain why health care providers' stocks are rising with news of the impending government health care takeover. I'm wondering that too.
'Morning Meeting' Host Dylan Ratigan Apologizes for Being Rude
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:00:56pm |
re: #338 jaunte
That is disappointing.
I like his economics, and just discount the rest....you gotta sort the wheat from the chaff these days
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avanti Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:01:41pm |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
More racism over at Hot Air: The silence of the
lambsbaboons
That's just the first two comments, more to follow...
We are all monkeys.
[Link: vids.myspace.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:02:32pm |
re: #338 jaunte
That is disappointing.
Still, it should be the reason for turning on Sowell entirely. He may simply be blinded by denier smog.
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:03:37pm |
re: #339 Bagua
And turn on Windows firewall. None of the other programs are necessary.
uh...spyware enters port 80 or port 8080...Not a damn thing a firewall can do...A sophisticated user can drive traffic through port 443 and secure traffic.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:04:02pm |
re: #347 avanti
We are all monkeys.
[Link: vids.myspace.com...]
Speak for yourself, Bonzo!
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:04:13pm |
re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist
True, but totally irrelevent to the discussion, unless you're so pissed about being required to buy insurance that no other part of the bill seems even vaguely important to you.
Look, that's why I'm pissed. Because the House passed Stupak-Pitts, which is a calculated attempt to remove abortion services from normal health care coverage. If that seems unimportant to you, I can merely disagree.
abortion is not a normal health care issue...pregnancy and lack of a plan to prevent it is a separate sort of problem...in most cases, couples should pay for their own abortions imo...abortion is not birth control no matter how it's twisted to fit that paradigm
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:04:18pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:05:06pm |
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:05:37pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Part of the point is that not every movie, song or video game needs to be safe for the whole family. This isn't a movie for children. Remember when they actually used to make R rated movies for adults. Clockwork Orange?
Nowadays "R" rated means "parents" can bring their 5-year-old if they can't get a babysitter. And kids get to learn a bunch of cool new words.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:06:14pm |
re: #345 Racer X
MSNBC host yells at congresswoman because she cannot explain why health care providers' stocks are rising with news of the impending government health care takeover. I'm wondering that too.
'Morning Meeting' Host Dylan Ratigan Apologizes for Being Rude
there are some people who are not stupid and have money to invest...the obvious answer is that providers are gonna be fat cats soon enough...but you knew that
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:06:21pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Part of the point is that not every movie, song or video game needs to be safe for the whole family. This isn't a movie for children. Remember when they actually used to make R rated movies for adults. Clockwork Orange?
They still make R rated movies for adults! They just tend to be indie or foreign films.
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jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:06:25pm |
re: #348 Dark_Falcon
I hope he comes around. That piece he wrote is quite an exaggeration of what actually happened.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:06:37pm |
re: #345 Racer X
MSNBC host yells at congresswoman because she cannot explain why health care providers' stocks are rising with news of the impending government health care takeover. I'm wondering that too.
'Morning Meeting' Host Dylan Ratigan Apologizes for Being Rude
why are you wondering? If the gubermint mandates that you must buy insurance...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:06:49pm |
re: #351 jaunte
'nt?
Yep, it should have read as follows:
Still, it shouldn't be the reason for turning on Sowell entirely. He may simply be blinded by denier smog.
PIMF
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:06:55pm |
re: #349 HoosierHoops
uh...spyware enters port 80 or port 8080...Not a damn thing a firewall can do...A sophisticated user can drive traffic through port 443 and secure traffic.
What do you recommend?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:07:25pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
Yep, it should have read as follows:
Still, it shouldn't be the reason for turning on Sowell entirely. He may simply be blinded by denier smog.
PIMF
n/p ,,, thought thats how it should have read
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:08:08pm |
Hi, back from the big sand box and...finally...back on line. And no more Sniper Hill! I can actually, almost, keep up with the conversation. ;-)
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:08:14pm |
re: #357 WindUpBird
They still make R rated movies for adults! They just tend to be indie or foreign films.
Foreign films, from Canada?
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:08:17pm |
re: #345 Racer X
MSNBC host yells at congresswoman because she cannot explain why health care providers' stocks are rising with news of the impending government health care takeover. I'm wondering that too.
'Morning Meeting' Host Dylan Ratigan Apologizes for Being Rude
It's good to be buddies with those democrat lawmakers that are looking out for us little people. Just ask someone working on Wall Street.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:08:43pm |
re: #355 Alouette
its terrible, but that clip will always make me laugh.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:09:02pm |
re: #359 brookly red
why are you wondering? If the gubermint mandates that you must buy insurance...
Thats the point innit? The only ones making big bucks are the insurance companies. Why the rush to make them richer?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:09:31pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
Yep, it should have read as follows:
Still, it shouldn't be the reason for turning on Sowell entirely. He may simply be blinded by denier smog.
PIMF
It's just another reason why I left the right. Even the people who seemed sane are losing their minds.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:09:34pm |
re: #367 Racer X
Thats the point innit? The only ones making big bucks are the insurance companies. Why the rush to make them richer?
Bing-fuckin-O!
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theheat Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:09:48pm |
re: #170 Summer
I know someone who really is in every way like Sarah Palin. I've know her in all of her craziness for years, way before Sarah Palin hit the national stage. The funny thing was, when I first saw Palin speak, she reminded me of the person I knew, not the other way around. Every time Palin would say something stupid, or go all uberfundie, I'd already heard it before with virtually the same delivery.
I knew what Palin would say, how she'd say it, and what crazy theories rattled around in that pretty little head of hers, because I'd heard them already. I'd heard them for years. Years. When everyone ran around, thinking Palin was the neatest thing since sliced bread, I'd shoot them the skunk eye. Yup. Deep down, I already knew what she was.
Palin is not a rogue, or a maverick, or anything else that interesting or unique. She's just another addled semi-literate fundie trying desperately to remain relevant, and she'll resort to the cheapest parlor tricks to do so. (Obviously, and she has.)
And it brings me joy you've nailed it so well. You 'get' it. And they say blonds are dumb. Ha!
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:10:09pm |
re: #367 Racer X
well the point isn't to help the insurance companies or hurt them, thats just a side-effect.
Mandated care should reduce costs for everyone else and improve service. (especially as relates to emergency care).
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:10:49pm |
re: #367 Racer X
Thats the point innit? The only ones making big bucks are the insurance companies. Why the rush to make them richer?
It's a new marketing strategy - buy my product because it's required by federal law. Who needs superbowl commercials when you have federal mandates?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:11:06pm |
re: #352 albusteve
abortion is not a normal health care issue...pregnancy and lack of a plan to prevent it is a separate sort of problem...in most cases, couples should pay for their own abortions imo...abortion is not birth control no matter how it's twisted to fit that paradigm
Abortion isn't birth control, and the vast vast VAAAST majority of women do not use it as such. It's an invasive procedure, what rational person would want to risk having an invasive and painful procedure every time they had sex? But you cannot deny A) that birth control can fail and that B) sometimes complications arise in pregnancy that require an abortion. In that sense, it IS a normal health care issue. it's not routine, but it is normal in that it actually happens through no fault of the mother.
Middle class people can usually swing the cost of an abortion. Poor people in states that have ad-hoc outlawed abortion are the losers in these situations.
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:11:10pm |
re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist
True, but totally irrelevent to the discussion, unless you're so pissed about being required to buy insurance that no other part of the bill seems even vaguely important to you.
Look, that's why I'm pissed. Because the House passed Stupak-Pitts, which is a calculated attempt to remove abortion services from normal health care coverage. If that seems unimportant to you, I can merely disagree.
I'm pissed because the federal government has no business telling citizens what to buy or not buy, let alone from their approved list. It has no business telling insurance companies what they can or can't cover either. But that's the game the majority of us apparently want to play nowadays. If you want the government involved in the process whatsoever, and want to take taxpayer money in the process, insurance companies and citizens alike, then you get what you deserve.
Abortion being removed from health insurance plans when they cost about $500 for those stupid enough to need one is the least of my concerns. It's about up there with which spoon do I grab out of the drawer for my morning cereal.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:11:49pm |
re: #328 windsagio
Don't feel awkward about it. I think it brings up a good point.
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roberta g Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:11:50pm |
The 'death panel' meme frightened seniors. I am a nurse and over late summer and early fall my elderly patients expressed concern and fear about scary Obama and his 'death panels'. The folks that spread this lie should be ashamed. BTW, as a new poster here, hi to everyone.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:12:57pm |
re: #376 roberta g
AARP is 100% behind the bill. How scared is that?
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:13:01pm |
re: #371 windsagio
well the point isn't to help the insurance companies or hurt them, thats just a side-effect.
Mandated care should reduce costs for everyone else and improve service. (especially as relates to emergency care).
I'm becoming more and more against what our government is proposing for a health care solution. It completely misses the point by rewarding those who got us into this mess (insurance and pharmaceutical companies).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:13:19pm |
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:13:20pm |
re: #372 cliffster
It's a new marketing strategy - buy my product because it's required by federal law. Who needs superbowl commercials when you have federal mandates?
No Shit!
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darthstar Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:13:23pm |
re: #355 Alouette
Nowadays "R" rated means "parents" can bring their 5-year-old if they can't get a babysitter. And kids get to learn a bunch of cool new words.
1973 - Walking Tall. I was 9 years old. My older brothers (12, 13, and 14) all wanted to see the movie, but it was R rated (17 and older unless accompanied by a guardian)...we were with Grandma. We asked her to get us in. She bought herself a ticket, escorted us to our seats, and left the movie to wait outside (she didn't like violence). I'll never forget her for that.
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Locker Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:13:30pm |
re: #339 Bagua
And turn on Windows firewall. None of the other programs are necessary.
We will just have to agree to disagree. There is no single point solution for security threats.
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:13:51pm |
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:13:55pm |
re: #373 WindUpBird
Abortion isn't birth control, and the vast vast VAAAST majority of women do not use it as such. It's an invasive procedure, what rational person would want to risk having an invasive and painful procedure every time they had sex? But you cannot deny A) that birth control can fail and that B) sometimes complications arise in pregnancy that require an abortion. In that sense, it IS a normal health care issue. it's not routine, but it is normal in that it actually happens through no fault of the mother.
Middle class people can usually swing the cost of an abortion. Poor people in states that have ad-hoc outlawed abortion are the losers in these situations.
It's $500 bucks or so. Big deal.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:14:13pm |
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:14:44pm |
re: #373 WindUpBird
My cousin insists that both his kids are the result of 2 different kinds of birth control failing. I don't know if its true of course ,but he claims it!
re: #371 windsagio
err 'mandated insurance' not 'mandated care'.
re: #379 Racer X
Again, we have to solve specific problems. It makes me crazy that the insurance industry has so much power to pervert the necessary reform. On the other hand, a good solution that happens to help them can't be put aside for that reason. We have to do what we can, especially since corruption is so limiting the definition of 'what we can'
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brookly red Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:14:47pm |
re: #383 Locker
We will just have to agree to disagree. There is no single point soluttion for security threats.
/abstanince
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:15:00pm |
re: #378 cliffster
AARP is 100% behind the bill. How scared is that?
AARP = giant organization with vast media resources who can specifically counter the lies being fed to impressionable seniors. Not impressionable like an individual senior can be.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:15:01pm |
re: #382 darthstar
I snuck in to see the Shining when I was too young (maybe about 10). Scared me to death.
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:15:40pm |
re: #387 McSpiff
Big deal if its that or pay rent.
Yeah, I know. Easy for me to say. I'm a responsible person.
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theheat Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:16:18pm |
re: #385 borgcube
I've known a lot of people who can't come up with $500; sometimes, their house payments, car payments, etc. When and if they are faced with something as time-sensitive as abortion, it is a big deal. You're fortunate you aren't in that position, but many are.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:16:23pm |
re: #388 windsagio
Again, we have to solve specific problems. It makes me crazy that the insurance industry has so much power to pervert the necessary reform. On the other hand, a good solution that happens to help them can't be put aside for that reason. We have to do what we can, especially since corruption is so limiting the definition of 'what we can'
I think we can do better. We are rushing into a quagmire!
(heh)
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:16:38pm |
re: #371 windsagio
well the point isn't to help the insurance companies or hurt them, thats just a side-effect...
Yes, it is. That some people don't understand how corrupt our system is amazing to me. You probably think we bailed out wall street because we were on the verge of economic collapse!! too.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:17:46pm |
re: #385 borgcube
It's $500 bucks or so. Big deal.
Uh, it is a big deal when you're below the poverty line. With children. Mister-pays-more-in-property-tax-than-the-average-person-in-San-Diego-earns. If your income is eight hundred bucks a month, you're a single mother with two kids, you're in section 8 housing, your every cent is accounted for every month. Where does the $500 come from?
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avanti Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:18:35pm |
Introducing, "Christmas treegate." link.
It's what you get when you ask a "artist" to do a few ornaments.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:18:36pm |
re: #392 borgcube
wow thats cold.
re: #395 Racer X
re: #396 cliffster
No, just looking at the options I think that a mandate is a pretty good solution for the problems around emergency service. I think its a good idea, or at least the best we can come up with. I won't throw away the best Idea I see in a crisis easily.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:18:49pm |
re: #382 darthstar
When I saw the Kevin Smith movie Dogma in the theater it was on a Sunday afternoon. There was an entire family sitting next to me, including a boy who couldn't have been older than 6 (and talked through the whole movie.) Who would bring kids that young to a Kevin Smith movie? Stupid people, I guess.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:18:51pm |
re: #376 roberta g
Thanks for a real world view of the consequences. It seems on every topic some of us have real world experience, and it sure beats the MSM!
Welcome and (?) Merry Christmas and or Happy Holidays!
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:18:54pm |
re: #361 Bagua
What do you recommend?
Block all ports except 80 or 8080 unless you need FTP ports then unblock port 21 any ephemeral port.
But design of the OS means alot...You know why Microsoft releases patches every Tuesday and MAC computers rarely worry about invasive viruses?
By design.. You can't write into the Kernel of OS/X...You never ever get past ring one security...You just can't get there from here..With windows 7 Microsoft finally is getting a clue about calls into the kernel...
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:18:57pm |
re: #373 WindUpBird
Abortion isn't birth control, and the vast vast VAAAST majority of women do not use it as such. It's an invasive procedure, what rational person would want to risk having an invasive and painful procedure every time they had sex? But you cannot deny A) that birth control can fail and that B) sometimes complications arise in pregnancy that require an abortion. In that sense, it IS a normal health care issue. it's not routine, but it is normal in that it actually happens through no fault of the mother.
Middle class people can usually swing the cost of an abortion. Poor people in states that have ad-hoc outlawed abortion are the losers in these situations.
reminds me of the old welfare analogy
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MandyManners Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:19:08pm |
re: #363 Escaped Hillbilly
Hi, back from the big sand box and...finally...back on line. And no more Sniper Hill! I can actually, almost, keep up with the conversation. ;-)
Welcome back!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:19:25pm |
re: #392 borgcube
Yeah, I know. Easy for me to say. I'm a responsible person.
Well, look at the guy with the cash waggling his finger!
Exhibit A why I'm a democrat. Because I see this a lot, people with means and resources pretending people without means and resources don't exist.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:19:50pm |
re: #391 Killgore Trout
I snuck in to see the Shining when I was too young (maybe about 10). Scared me to death.
I saw the edited for tv version of Halloween when I was probably around 10 or 11. Didn't sleep too well for a few days after that.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:19:56pm |
re: #376 roberta g
The 'death panel' meme frightened seniors. I am a nurse and over late summer and early fall my elderly patients expressed concern and fear about scary Obama and his 'death panels'. The folks that spread this lie should be ashamed. BTW, as a new poster here, hi to everyone.
welcome. You get an upding. Shop at the Zionist Mall.
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:20:05pm |
re: #384 Surabaya Stew
Yikes! Many bones telling the stories of many lives in your flkr pixs!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:20:21pm |
I'm goin' back to Dexter. BBIAB.re: #374 borgcube
I'm pissed because the federal government has no business telling citizens what to buy or not buy, let alone from their approved list. It has no business telling insurance companies what they can or can't cover either. But that's the game the majority of us apparently want to play nowadays. If you want the government involved in the process whatsoever, and want to take taxpayer money in the process, insurance companies and citizens alike, then you get what you deserve.
Abortion being removed from health insurance plans when they cost about $500 for those stupid enough to need one is the least of my concerns. It's about up there with which spoon do I grab out of the drawer for my morning cereal.
Yeah. Gaze. Forget it. Clearly you don't give a shit, and I don't have time to deal with your childish arrogance.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:20:24pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:21:30pm |
re: #410 windsagio
no, no.
they exist.
they're just inherently bad people!
Only people with money are responsible people!
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roberta g Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:21:54pm |
re: #378 cliffster
AARP is 100% behind the bill. How scared is that?
I guess AARP didn't talk to some of my patients.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:21:55pm |
Aunt Clara had for years labored under the delusion that I was not only perpetually 4 years old, but also a girl.
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:21:55pm |
re: #404 MandyManners
Thanks. I read LGF daily (almost) while there but only got to post 2-3 days. Wish I was more informed on this subject.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:22:09pm |
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:22:17pm |
re: #391 Killgore Trout
I snuck in to see the Shining when I was too young (maybe about 10). Scared me to death.
ha!...see!...cool movie tho
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MandyManners Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:22:21pm |
re: #392 borgcube
Yeah, I know. Easy for me to say. I'm a self-righteous jerk
responsible person.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:23:03pm |
re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Aunt Clara had for years labored under the delusion that I was not only perpetually 4 years old, but also a girl.
She was half right!
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:23:10pm |
re: #394 theheat
I've known a lot of people who can't come up with $500; sometimes, their house payments, car payments, etc. When and if they are faced with something as time-sensitive as abortion, it is a big deal. You're fortunate you aren't in that position, but many are.
Maybe they shouldn't have a car payment if they can't even afford an abortion. Oops, late with the rent too. Tough. Maybe that would teach them to buy a condom next time, get a vasectomy, or pay a few bucks each month for birth control pills. Real tough.
Hey, here's a thought. Maybe irresponsible people would stop fucking without precautions if they knew their neighbors weren't going to bail them out over and over again? And that goes for more than just abortion.
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MandyManners Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:24:07pm |
re: #405 WindUpBird
Well, look at the guy with the cash waggling his finger!
Exhibit A why I'm a democrat. Because I see this a lot, people with means and resources pretending people without means and resources don't exist.
Are actually saying that only Democrats know poor people exist?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:24:18pm |
From The Onion:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:24:20pm |
re: #275 Killgore Trout
I beat you to it by over a hundred posts. Neener neener.
Does look pretty awesome, though.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:24:25pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:24:34pm |
re: #420 borgcube
You probably don't care what I think... but those posts were off the charts unkind.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:24:51pm |
re: #374 borgcube
Abortion being removed from health insurance plans when they cost about $500 for those stupid enough to need one is the least of my concerns. It's about up there with which spoon do I grab out of the drawer for my morning cereal.
Weren't you the guy who called computers in schools "fu-fu crap"? I think we can predict how forward thinking your policies would be. Hey, complications from pregnancy that can endanger a mother? Pay the cash or die in childbirth, irresponsible strumpet! How dare you not make mad cash in San Diego! It don' make no difference ta borgcube!
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:25:15pm |
re: #397 WindUpBird
Uh, it is a big deal when you're below the poverty line. With children. Mister-pays-more-in-property-tax-than-the-average-person- in-San-Diego-earns. If your income is eight hundred bucks a month, you're a single mother with two kids, you're in section 8 housing, your every cent is accounted for every month. Where does the $500 come from?
Oh please. I seriously doubt the person you describe here really keeps track of anything in detail, let alone money, let alone where the condom goes.
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MandyManners Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:25:20pm |
re: #414 Escaped Hillbilly
Thanks. I read LGF daily (almost) while there but only got to post 2-3 days. Wish I was more informed on this subject.
There's a lot of information on the Internet.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:25:53pm |
re: #410 windsagio
no, no.
they exist.
they're just inherently bad people!
That's horseshit. You can believe that you should not take money by force of taxation away from Person A, to pay for Person B. You can believe that at the same time you voluntarily give money to help Person B. Your argument oozes shit-slinging.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:25:55pm |
re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You probably don't care what I think... but those posts were off the charts unkind.
why?...it makes perfect sense to me...abortion should be avoided at ALL cost
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:26:07pm |
re: #417 albusteve
My dad dropped me and my brothers (12yrs, 9yrs, 7yrs,) off to see Jaws when it came out. My youngest brother did not put a toe into the residential lake my dad lived on for 2 years.
Welcome, newbies! Happy Holidays!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:26:31pm |
re: #424 Slumbering Behemoth
You scooped me! Looks good. I also like to see Nicolis Cage playing a dork again like he used to early in his career.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:27:03pm |
re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Aunt Clara had for years labored under the delusion that I was not only perpetually 4 years old, but also a girl.
There has to be a picture to go with that caption.
For my birthday, my daughter gave me a book of pictures of old people with amusing captions. To show her how much I love it, I am going to caption every picture of herself she posts on Facebook.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:27:08pm |
re: #415 theheat
Well, after all... Their poorness is always their fault!
re: #431 cliffster
That's horseshit. You can believe that you should not take money by force of taxation away from Person A, to pay for Person B. You can believe that at the same time you voluntarily give money to help Person B. Your argument oozes shit-slinging.
lolwut? Where'd that come from?
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jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:27:12pm |
re: #420 borgcube
Maybe irresponsible people would stop fucking without precautions if they knew their neighbors weren't going to bail them out over and over again?
This would be counter to all historical experience.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:27:18pm |
re: #427 WindUpBird
Weren't you the guy who called computers in schools "fu-fu crap"? I think we can predict how forward thinking your policies would be. Hey, complications from pregnancy that can endanger a mother? Pay the cash or die in childbirth, irresponsible strumpet! How dare you not make mad cash in San Diego! It don' make no difference ta borgcube!
complications, rape and incest are not the issue...didn't you know that?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:28:19pm |
re: #420 borgcube
And now we have our creepy right wing post of the evening.
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:28:24pm |
re: #430 MandyManners
Fuck you.
Wow. Just using abortion as one example. I really don't care about it one way or another. Sorry.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:28:26pm |
re: #434 Killgore Trout
You scooped me! Looks good. I also like to see Nicolis Cage playing a dork again like he used to early in his career.
I've never seen Nicolas Cage play anything but Nicolas Cage.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:28:42pm |
re: #376 roberta g
Welcome, hatchling!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:29:07pm |
re: #428 borgcube
Oh please. I seriously doubt the person you describe here really keeps track of anything in detail, let alone money, let alone where the condom goes.
So the poor are stupid? Is that really what you want to say? Because I'm trying like hell to find another interpretation for that crappy statement.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:29:44pm |
re: #420 borgcube
Maybe they shouldn't have a car payment if they can't even afford an abortion. Oops, late with the rent too. Tough. Maybe that would teach them to buy a condom next time, get a vasectomy, or pay a few bucks each month for birth control pills. Real tough.
Hey, here's a thought. Maybe irresponsible people would stop fucking without precautions if they knew their neighbors weren't going to bail them out over and over again? And that goes for more than just abortion.
You are just making crazy bullshit up now, man.
I know these people. I've worked with these people in my health care jobs. Hell, i've loaned money to some of my coworkers because I had it, and they needed it. Rent is most of their income. They have no car. They take the bus or light rail. They have children, (often from failed marriages) they shop at Value Village for clothes and supplies, they're on food stamps, they squeak by.
They're not irresponsible. They just don't have any money. Especially not in this economy. maybe you could crack an unemployment report and check out how bad it actually is.
Or you can just continue to make up more adversarial bullshit because you got caught opining about something you clearly have absolutely no knowledge of.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:30:00pm |
The problem with socialism is pretty soon you run out of other people's money.
- Margaret Thatcher
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:31:25pm |
re: #420 borgcube
Maybe they shouldn't have a car payment if they can't even afford an abortion. Oops, late with the rent too. Tough. Maybe that would teach them to buy a condom next time, get a vasectomy, or pay a few bucks each month for birth control pills. Real tough.
Hey, here's a thought. Maybe irresponsible people would stop fucking without precautions if they knew their neighbors weren't going to bail them out over and over again? And that goes for more than just abortion.
Holy Shit! talk about over the top.. Personally i prefer to help pay for a 350 dollar medical procedure than a trillion dollar bail out to bankers that make the million dollar bonuses.. Tell me who is really irresponsible? A poor woman or a banker fucking you lighting his cuban cigars living in the Hamptons? As Winston Churchhill said..It's all a matter of proportion
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:31:44pm |
re: #439 Charles
And now we have our creepy right wing post of the evening.
What's so creepy? re: #444 WindUpBird
You are just making crazy bullshit up now, man.
I know these people. I've worked with these people in my health care jobs. Hell, i've loaned money to some of my coworkers because I had it, and they needed it. Rent is most of their income. They have no car. They take the bus or light rail. They have children, (often from failed marriages) they shop at Value Village for clothes and supplies, they're on food stamps, they squeak by.
They're not irresponsible. They just don't have any money. Especially not in this economy. maybe you could crack an unemployment report and check out how bad it actually is.
Or you can just continue to make up more adversarial bullshit because you got caught opining about something you clearly have absolutely no knowledge of.
I made sure I got no one pregnant back in the day. One reason amongst others, is that I didn't want to be responsible for a kid and I didn't want to have to fork over the money for an abortion. Simple as that.
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:32:40pm |
re: #446 HoosierHoops
Holy Shit! talk about over the top.. Personally i prefer to help pay for a 350 dollar medical procedure than a trillion dollar bail out to bankers that make the million dollar bonuses.. Tell me who is really irresponsible? A poor woman or a banker fucking you lighting his cuban cigars living in the Hamptons? As Winston Churchhill said..It's all a matter of proportion
I prefer not pay for either.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:32:49pm |
re: #447 borgcube
If anyone wants to know why I made a very public break with the right wing, I'll just point them to your comment.
Disgusting.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:33:10pm |
re: #447 borgcube
Your posts are angry. Angry at the poor "?" people. I feel like there's a missing word somewhere.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:33:23pm |
the point is, abortions can be reduced substantially if people were more responsible with their sexual activities and that's a good thing....wouldn't that be part of any educational format for fewer abortions?...as I have said before, there is good cause for some abortions and I'll even help pay for them
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:33:24pm |
re: #445 Racer X
The problem with socialism is pretty soon you run out of other people's money.
- Margaret Thatcher
Won't someone weep for our tax rates, which are a tiny fraction of what they were in our nation's past? Won't someone weep for our corporations who game the shit out of our tax system with S corporations?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:33:31pm |
re: #428 borgcube
When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. You're seriously offending people. When that happens, even if you know you're right, drop the subject.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:33:41pm |
SNL can be pretty lame these days, but this sketch from Saturday cracked me up:
[Link: www.hulu.com...]
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:33:41pm |
re: #447 borgcube
I dunno man, you're literally radiating 'entitled rage'.
Probably time to take a break, step back, and think about your last ~10 posts.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:34:20pm |
re: #452 WindUpBird
you sir are braver than me, for me Thatcher is like Reagan: "Just smile and nod"
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:34:21pm |
re: #420 borgcube
Hey, here's a thought. Maybe irresponsible people would stop fucking without precautions
Before that happens, global warming will reverse itself, aliens will land on the White House lawn, and midget clowns will fly out of your ass.
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roberta g Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:34:54pm |
re: #384 Surabaya Stew
Thank you. I am a Democrat, more centrist than not. I like hearing different viewpoints . I have enjoyed reading this blog because there are a wide variety of opinions expressed politely.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:35:04pm |
re: #434 Killgore Trout
I'm sure it will generate some outrageous outrage. Maybe even some protests.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:35:13pm |
re: #449 Charles
If anyone wants to know why I made a very public break with the right wing, I'll just point them to your comment.
Disgusting.
For a minute there, I thought I was back at Free Republic.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:36:16pm |
re: #459 Slumbering Behemoth
I suspect that the producers would LOVE some protests. That'd move some movie tickets! You don't have a little girl saying C*** in your TRAILER unless you're purposely trying to piss people off.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:36:17pm |
re: #447 borgcube
Let me try and help you. The moral issue of using taxpayer money to pay for abortions comes down to this question: Should I be forced to pay for something I take find morally wrong?
You are taking the approach of demonizing girls in the position of needing an abortion they can't afford. That is a bad approach. It's not about saying people in need are bad, stupid people. It's about saying we should not be forced to make their way. Instead, it should be a voluntary effort.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:36:21pm |
re: #447 borgcube
I made sure I got no one pregnant back in the day. One reason amongst others, is that I didn't want to be responsible for a kid and I didn't want to have to fork over the money for an abortion. Simple as that.
Yes yes, we all know the mega-conservative talking points on this issue. Jack, I have heard all this before, spitting from a whole host of callous and vicious pundits. There isn't an original thought in your head. Condoms never break, birth control never fails, husbands never beat their wives, women are never raped, complications never arise.
See you in Never Never land, shitstain.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:36:26pm |
Please do not drink and post if you are an angry drunk.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:36:32pm |
re: #452 WindUpBird
The tax rates hurt economic growth more the higher they go. Call me crazy, but I don't think imposing more job-killing taxes during a recession is a good idea.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:37:41pm |
re: #461 windsagio
It worked for Married: With Children, and they weren't even trying for that kind of response.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:38:46pm |
re: #456 windsagio
you sir are braver than me, for me Thatcher is like Reagan: "Just smile and nod"
I'm tired of that damn Thatcher quote when our corporate taxes are so low.
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jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:39:26pm |
re: #467 WindUpBird
How about this one:
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
-- John Wooden
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:39:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:40:00pm |
re: #464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Please do not drink and post if you are an angry drunk.
Indeed. "If you think you might be too drunk to post, you're too drunk to post." remains good advice, even if the guy who coined it is an ass who earned himself a banning.
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borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:40:02pm |
re: #462 cliffster
Let me try and help you. The moral issue of using taxpayer money to pay for abortions comes down to this question: Should I be forced to pay for something I take find morally wrong?
You are taking the approach of demonizing girls in the position of needing an abortion they can't afford. That is a bad approach. It's not about saying people in need are bad, stupid people. It's about saying we should not be forced to make their way. Instead, it should be a voluntary effort.
I don't find abortions morally wrong. I find me being forced to pay over and over again for those having them morally wrong.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:41:03pm |
We all have to pay taxes, and we all have one or two (or more) things/pet issues that we would rather not see those tax dollars pay for. Tough shit, that's just how it works. Buck up.
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:41:05pm |
re: #447 borgcube
I made sure I got no one pregnant back in the day. One reason amongst others, is that I didn't want to be responsible for a kid and I didn't want to have to fork over the money for an abortion. Simple as that.
Aren't you fucking special?
Maybe look through the hundreds of Medicare bills my mom racked up when she had cancer...We the taxpayers helped keep her alive..( although medicare doesn't pay crap..I'd say 30% of billable time)
Keep your money..We are our brothers keeper...It's not like hospitals are overwhelmed with abortions
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:41:06pm |
re: #454 Mad Al-Jaffee
SNL can be pretty lame these days, but this sketch from Saturday cracked me up:
[Link: www.hulu.com...]
You have a sick sense of humor my friend.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:41:17pm |
re: #468 jaunte
How about this one:
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
-- John Wooden
I like that one!
Such a great man, a terrific influence to so many!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:41:26pm |
re: #465 Dark_Falcon
The tax rates hurt economic growth more the higher they go. Call me crazy, but I don't think imposing more job-killing taxes during a recession is a good idea.
Well, sure, but they're almost shockingly low at this point, exacerbated by tax havens and S-corporation manipulations. I don't think we should be raising the corporate tax rate in a recession, but I also want people to acknowledge that our tax rates are low.
Or how about some massive tax BREAKS during the recession conditional on aggressive hiring! I'd be fine with that. Target it to the entities who are creating jobs.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:41:40pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:41:56pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:41:59pm |
re: #462 cliffster
Let me try and help you. The moral issue of using taxpayer money to pay for abortions comes down to this question: Should I be forced to pay for something I take find morally wrong?
You are taking the approach of demonizing girls in the position of needing an abortion they can't afford. That is a bad approach. It's not about saying people in need are bad, stupid people. It's about saying we should not be forced to make their way. Instead, it should be a voluntary effort.
Actually, this didn't even start over taxpayer money, but about restrictions on what kind of policies can be sold to privately insured patients. Just to make things more interesting.
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jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:41:59pm |
re: #472 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't much like having to pay to subsidize corn syrup.
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theheat Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:42:56pm |
re: #481 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I second that, and I'll share my piece of cake with you.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:43:01pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:43:12pm |
re: #467 WindUpBird
I'm tired of that damn Thatcher quote when our corporate taxes are so low.
So you would prefer corporations pay higher taxes?
Do you think the corporation just pays those higher taxwes out of their profits, or after EBITDA?
Don;t you think they pass tnat extra cost on to the consumer? (read you). Or provide less for people that have that company in their 401K portfolio?
OR ,, cut jobs to save that money!?!?
YEAH ,, TAX THOSE BIG BAD CORPORATIONS,,, they have the money !!!
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:43:13pm |
re: #467 WindUpBird
I'm tired of that damn Thatcher quote when our corporate taxes are so low.
Write your congressman.
I like low taxes. I want them to be lower.
Sue me.
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MandyManners Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:43:13pm |
re: #465 Dark_Falcon
The tax rates hurt economic growth more the higher they go. Call me crazy, but I don't think imposing more job-killing taxes during a recession is a good idea.
Some people think that the government creates jobs and wealth.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:43:18pm |
re: #471 borgcube
I don't find abortions morally wrong. I find me being forced to pay over and over again for those having them morally wrong.
I'm trying to help you, but if you refuse to back off the demonization-of-the-poor approach, there's nothing I can do. And, nothing I can do about the ammunition you give to liberals.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:43:32pm |
re: #480 jaunte
Especially the High Fructose kind. That stuff is garbage.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:43:32pm |
re: #471 borgcube
I don't find abortions morally wrong. I find me being forced to pay over and over again for those having them morally wrong.
Show me your purported epidemic of the same people having massive numbers of abortions.
Show me where it is an epidemic of a scale that you would even feel it in your premiums or your taxes.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:44:28pm |
re: #476 WindUpBird
People pay half of their income to taxes. That's not low, no matter what anyone says.
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roberta g Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:44:40pm |
re: #401 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks for a real world view of the consequences. It seems on every topic some of us have real world experience, and it sure beats the MSM!
Welcome and (?) Merry Christmas and or Happy Holidays!
Thank you and it's Festivus ;) I wish the same to you.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:44:43pm |
I don't like abortion, but I am not repulsed with it...I would like to see fewer abortions if our society can help make that happen...that said it is something we all have to live with and women have the right to choose how they approach the issue and they should...it is a very sensitive subject but I am okay with how I feel about it and have only rarely ever posted about it...I do not hold women criminal or have any extreme views about it...our young girls need to be enlightened to sexuality, pregnancy and the repercussions of their behavior....we can only try our hardest to raise smart responsible kids...to me this is the gist of abortion, not the cost or the judgment of those that go that route later in life....they understand and behave accordingly
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:44:49pm |
re: #468 jaunte
How about this one:
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
-- John Wooden
My personal favorite: "I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization."
--Oliver Wendell Holmes
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:45:47pm |
re: #486 MandyManners
Some people think that the government creates jobs and wealth.
Some people also believe in unicorns as well, but that doesn't mean they exist. Unfortunately, Obama seems to believe in both of those things.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:45:52pm |
re: #491 cliffster
People pay half of their income to taxes. That's not low, no matter what anyone says.
Windup is complaining about 'corporate taxes'. While the current administration is helping to make health insurance companies more filthy rich.
Funny.
/Not.
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abbyadams Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:46:00pm |
re: #165 Charles
Education is wonderful. I always knew there had to be a name for it!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:46:20pm |
re: #471 borgcube
I don't find abortions morally wrong. I find me being forced to pay over and over again for those having them morally wrong.
And yet, your response to the idea of a private customer having to pay for her insurance and then again for an abortion was 'big deal'. So forgive me if I'm not impressed with your moral high ground.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:46:25pm |
re: #4 windsagio
That last bit was vile.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:46:33pm |
re: #475 Floral Giraffe
I like that one!
Such a great man, a terrific influence to so many!
Back to the topic at hand I guess, the Palin lie I heard that offended me so much was when, in her book, she mis-quoted Coach Wooden, instead of correctly John Woodenlegs, Tribal President, Northern Cheyenne.
| 501 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:46:50pm |
re: #484 sattv4u2
So you would prefer corporations pay higher taxes?
Do you think the corporation just pays those higher taxwes out of their profits, or after EBITDA?
Don;t you think they pass tnat extra cost on to the consumer? (read you). Or provide less for people that have that company in their 401K portfolio?
OR ,, cut jobs to save that money!?!?YEAH ,, TAX THOSE BIG BAD CORPORATIONS,,, they have the money !!!
Man, I already said I wanted to target tax breaks to companies that create jobs. In America.
My point was, if you would actually read what I wrote instead of going all ragecapslock on me, that I am tired of the same old saw that our taxes are high, when they are clearly not, compared to other industrialized countries.
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MandyManners Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:47:23pm |
re: #493 albusteve
I don't like abortion, but I am not repulsed with it...I would like to see fewer abortions if our society can help make that happen...that said it is something we all have to live with and women have the right to choose how they approach the issue and they should...it is a very sensitive subject but I am okay with how I feel about it and have only rarely ever posted about it...I do not hold women criminal or have any extreme views about it...our young girls need to be enlightened to sexuality, pregnancy and the repercussions of their behavior...we can only try our hardest to raise smart responsible kids...to me this is the gist of abortion, not the cost or the judgment of those that go that route later in life...they understand and behave accordingly
We also need to educate our boys!!! It takes two.
| 503 |
borgcube Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:47:38pm |
It has been awhile, but I guess I was overdue for a serious downding city around here. Sorry.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:47:44pm |
re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, this didn't even start over taxpayer money, but about restrictions on what kind of policies can be sold to privately insured patients. Just to make things more interesting.
The extent to which lawmakers are willing to make a complicated, spaghetti-legislated clusterfuck out of things just to get their people taken care of is indeed an interesting conversation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:47:46pm |
re: #489 Slumbering Behemoth
Especially the High Fructose kind. That stuff is garbage.
...but the ad said it was just like sugar, and was fine in moderation!
//
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:47:55pm |
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:48:06pm |
re: #502 MandyManners
We also need to educate our boys!!! It takes two.
ah yeah....I forgot that part...thanks
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:48:46pm |
re: #502 MandyManners
We also need to educate our boys!!! It takes two.
Three and you have a real party!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:48:51pm |
re: #501 WindUpBird
Man, I already said I wanted to target tax breaks to companies that create jobs. In America.
My point was, if you would actually read what I wrote instead of going all ragecapslock on me, that I am tired of the same old saw that our taxes are high, when they are clearly not, compared to other industrialized countries.
I'd be willing to entertain such a suggestion, as long as it was properly created in legislation. And that would be where the problems would begin. Such a bill would generate a lobbyist feeding frenzy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:49:02pm |
re: #500 Stanley Sea
Back to the topic at hand I guess, the Palin lie I heard that offended me so much was when, in her book, she mis-quoted Coach Wooden, instead of correctly John Woodenlegs, Tribal President, Northern Cheyenne.
Is President Woodenlegs also a coach of something? And what did he say?
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:50:25pm |
re: #499 The Sanity Inspector
It bears out with my experience however. Raising a disabled child to adulthood (and beyond) is an EXTREMELY difficult process. A huge majority end up in group homes. "Dumped" is just my prejudices speaking (my family was in a position for various reasons that they COULD keep my disabled brother).
I'd put down a huge bet that within the next 25 years Trig Palin is living in a group home.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:50:26pm |
re: #503 borgcube
It has been awhile, but I guess I was overdue for a serious downding city around here. Sorry.
I'll accept your apology but only as far as I'm concerned. You were both hostile and abrasive, so you may have to deal with the fallout from this one for a while.
| 513 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:51:03pm |
re: #486 MandyManners
Some people think that the government creates jobs and wealth.
No, the government just provides the environment for creating jobs and wealth. And civilization. And markets that are at least nominally ethical and law-abiding.
Hello, labor laws! Hello, Securities and Exchange Commission! Hello, FDA! Hello, EPA! Hello anti-trust laws!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:51:31pm |
re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist
They put that crap in everything from hot dogs to friggin' wheat bread. It's damn near impossible to find a loaf of wheat bread under $3 that doesn't have HFC in it.
That the stuff isn't really good for you is one thing. It's another thing entirely when a person is allergic to corn, like my poor grandma. I spend more time reading ingredient labels for her than buying the actual food.
| 515 |
jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:51:38pm |
re: #510 SanFranciscoZionist
Is President Woodenlegs also a coach of something? And what did he say?
"Our land is everything to us. . . . I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember our grandfathers paid for it -- with their lives."
[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:51:43pm |
re: #509 Dark_Falcon
I'd be willing to entertain such a suggestion, as long as it was properly created in legislation. And that would be where the problems would begin. Such a bill would generate a lobbyist feeding frenzy.
I'm sure it would, it's a pipe dream. But it's nice to think about :D
| 517 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:51:56pm |
re: #511 windsagio
It bears out with my experience however. Raising a disabled child to adulthood (and beyond) is an EXTREMELY difficult process. A huge majority end up in group homes. "Dumped" is just my prejudices speaking (my family was in a position for various reasons that they COULD keep my disabled brother).
I'd put down a huge bet that within the next 25 years Trig Palin is living in a group home.
He's actually got better odds than most. He's got a large family and plenty of people willing to help care for him. I'm not a Sarah Palin fan anymore, but I do give her son better odds than most.
| 518 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:51:56pm |
re: #511 windsagio
oh wait, it occurs that the vile part is the bit about the votes. Trust me, its endemic. We tell clients what to vote for all the time (if not in so many words).
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:52:20pm |
re: #420 borgcube
See: Human nature, imperfectability of.
| 520 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:52:31pm |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
could be, being in the field just makes me cynical :p
| 521 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:52:39pm |
re: #496 Racer X
Windup is complaining about 'corporate taxes'. While the current administration is helping to make health insurance companies more filthy rich.
Funny.
/Not.
Hahaha I am on your side about health insurance companies being given the whole enchilada, dude ;-)
| 522 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:54:01pm |
re: #510 SanFranciscoZionist
Is President Woodenlegs also a coach of something? And what did he say?
Had to re-look it up (gag)
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
.......In her new book, "Going Rogue," former vice presidential nominee attributes a quote to UCLA basketball coaching legend John Wooden.
The only problem is that he didn't say it.
"Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember our grandfathers paid for it -- with their lives."
It's a nice quote, but it really doesn't sound like something that Wooden would say. It was actually written by Native American activist John Wooden Legs in his essay "Back on the War Ponies.".....
| 523 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:54:02pm |
Last minute Xmas dinner shopping, gah!
Later Lizards.
| 524 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:54:10pm |
re: #515 jaunte
"Our land is everything to us. . . . I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember our grandfathers paid for it -- with their lives."
[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]
they were well paid in cheap blankets and rotten pork for their magnificent home land!...heh...don't get me started on Indian affairs....nothing pisses me off faster than that subject
| 525 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:54:24pm |
I just heard ESPN's Lee Corso say that someone was the "nephew of Danny White, the great Cowboy's quarterback". Danny White sucked. He was a good punter - he should have stuck with that.
| 526 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:54:44pm |
re: #516 WindUpBird
I'm sure it would, it's a pipe dream. But it's nice to think about :D
Why a pipe-dream? Just asking.
| 527 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:54:55pm |
re: #496 Racer X
I mean, you don't really think I'm just some guy who repeats talking points by the Obama administration, right? I thought I've made that clear, that just because I'm a liberal, doesn't mean I'm just overjoyed with everything the administration does. The HCR bill is filled with all kinds of nose-holding garbage and concessions and giveaways to insurance providers.
Doesn't change the fact that we have low corporate tax rates compared to other industrialized countries. That was always my point.
| 528 |
BlackFedora Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:55:36pm |
I know its Twitter but is anyone a little bothered by her use of teenage text speak in her Twitter updates? The next thing that'll happen is she'll use the term "hater."
Oh wait.
| 529 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:55:52pm |
re: #525 cliffster
I just heard ESPN's Lee Corso say that someone was the "nephew of Danny White, the great Cowboy's quarterback". Danny White sucked. He was a good punter - he should have stuck with that.
Danny White sucked?...hahaha!....check his numbers, you don't know what you are talking about amigo
| 530 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:56:09pm |
re: #526 Dark_Falcon
Why a pipe-dream? Just asking.
For what you said, I think it would become a monstrous lobbyist gong show.
| 531 |
jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:56:19pm |
re: #524 albusteve
That's the first I've heard of that misattributed quote story. It's pretty surprising that anyone could miss that it wasn't a the sort of thing a basketball coach might say.
| 532 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:57:09pm |
re: #527 WindUpBird
Doesn't change the fact that we have low corporate tax rates compared to other industrialized countries. That was always my point.
Why do you say that?
| 533 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:57:44pm |
re: #514 Slumbering Behemoth
They put that crap in everything from hot dogs to friggin' wheat bread. It's damn near impossible to find a loaf of wheat bread under $3 that doesn't have HFC in it.
That the stuff isn't really good for you is one thing. It's another thing entirely when a person is allergic to corn, like my poor grandma. I spend more time reading ingredient labels for her than buying the actual food.
Upding! I have a nephew who is 10 on a scale of 1-10 for peanut allergies. I can't BELIEVE the things that have or "may have been processed on materials that processed" peanuts.
Yes, I can type that weasel phrase from memory.
Scary, isn't it?
| 534 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:58:00pm |
re: #520 windsagio
could be, being in the field just makes me cynical :p
Fair enough. But I will say the same thing about Sarah Palin that I say about Barack Obama:
Regardless of my wishes for their success as politicians, I wish both Palin Obama great success as parents. If they raise their children right, they will have done a greater thing than I even could do.
| 535 |
prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:58:05pm |
re: #528 BlackFedora
The "for ions" comment in regard to climate change happening was pretty funny. PIMF even for vice-presidential candidates!
| 536 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:58:11pm |
re: #529 albusteve
Danny White sucked?...hahaha!...check his numbers, you don't know what you are talking about amigo
I don't need to check his numbers, I lived through his constant let-downs. And don't call me amigo at the same time you defend that underachiever ;)
| 537 |
Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:58:25pm |
So, along the general lines we're discussing, there were several news stories about Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo's policy, written last month and made public recently, about pregnancy in a war zone. I took this one from US News
"...drew criticism from, among others, the National Organization for Women. Pregnancy, the policy said, could result in court-martial for female soldiers as well as the men who get them pregnant, even if the couple were married, ABC reported Tuesday. Pregnant women are redeployed out of combat zones to get medical care and that could leave a unit shorthanded, the general had argued."
Some legal and military experts said the policy was appropriate but NOW called it "ridiculous." "How dare any government say we're going to impose any kind of punishment on women for getting pregnant," NOW President Terry O'Neill said before Cucolo backed off on the court-martial threat. "This is not the 1800s."
Seriously.
| 538 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:58:54pm |
re: #525 cliffster
"The Great Danny White"? Wow. Really?
| 539 |
Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:59:32pm |
re: #525 cliffster
I just heard ESPN's Lee Corso say that someone was the "nephew of Danny White, the great Cowboy's quarterback". Danny White sucked. He was a good punter - he should have stuck with that.
Nothing like hearing from a man that never played in the NFL...Wonder why they never drafted him and he gets to run his mouth at ESPN...Everybody is a critic I guess..He played QB in College..Guess he should have tried to be a punter in the NFL..But nobody wanted him
| 540 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:59:41pm |
re: #511 windsagio
It bears out with my experience however. Raising a disabled child to adulthood (and beyond) is an EXTREMELY difficult process. A huge majority end up in group homes. "Dumped" is just my prejudices speaking (my family was in a position for various reasons that they COULD keep my disabled brother).
I'd put down a huge bet that within the next 25 years Trig Palin is living in a group home.
Is that necessarily a bad thing? (Says the person who doesn't know.) I mean, who wants to live at home forever?
| 541 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:59:59pm |
re: #531 jaunte
That's the first I've heard of that misattributed quote story. It's pretty surprising that anyone could miss that it wasn't a the sort of thing a basketball coach might say.
I'm not hip to that part of it....when I hear anything about Native Americans I'm ready for a fight to the finish if I don't like it....everybody around here knows that....except the noobies....I shouldn't butt in, sorry
| 542 |
Surabaya Stew Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:00:11pm |
re: #458 roberta g
Thank you. I am a Democrat, more centrist than not. I like hearing different viewpoints . I have enjoyed reading this blog because there are a wide variety of opinions expressed politely.
Thats a good way of stating the situation at LGF. Of particular interest IMHO is how this community has evolved politically during the past year. If you haven't done so already, go and take a look at the archives; it makes for enlightening reading if you can get over the flouces....but now I'm getting ahead of myself; welcome aboard!
| 543 |
prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:00:23pm |
re: #537 Escaped Hillbilly
Thank goodness he is backing down. Our families of soldiers have enough stress. I wonder how much implied pressure not to get pregnant there is.
| 544 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:00:24pm |
re: #528 BlackFedora
I know its Twitter but is anyone a little bothered by her use of teenage text speak in her Twitter updates? The next thing that'll happen is she'll use the term "hater."
Oh wait.
It doesn't bother me. I'm glad that older people are getting more into texting. I've made a fair bit of money over the years for people buying text messaging packages, so it's a trend I like a lot.
| 545 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:01:20pm |
| 546 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:01:26pm |
re: #518 windsagio
oh wait, it occurs that the vile part is the bit about the votes. Trust me, its endemic. We tell clients what to vote for all the time (if not in so many words).
No, you were right the first time. I don't remember if you're the lizardoid who works with at-risk youth. If so, I'll gladly acknowledge your credentials and experience. But I meet my fair share of downies in my daily affairs, too. Most of them are in loving families, some in caring, well-run group homes. To leave a hanging insinuation that the Palins would institutionally ashcan their child once the spotlight's off is, as I said, vile. You're letting a political difference leach way outside the lines. But, it's not unfamiliar: Libs, who howl when their patriotism is questioned, are often as quick or quicker to question the basic humanity of conservatives.
| 547 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:01:27pm |
re: #531 jaunte
That's the first I've heard of that misattributed quote story. It's pretty surprising that anyone could miss that it wasn't a the sort of thing a basketball coach might say.
What if he were an Indian basketball coach?
/
| 548 |
jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:01:37pm |
re: #541 albusteve
No problem; it was this:
[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]
Dumb mistake, on the author's part, and the editor's.
| 549 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:02:26pm |
re: #536 cliffster
I don't need to check his numbers, I lived through his constant let-downs. And don't call me amigo at the same time you defend that underachiever ;)
I lived through it too....he was a very solid QB....Cowboy fans are less than happy with anything less than a SB...I've been there for 44 years
| 550 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:03:31pm |
re: #549 albusteve
I lived through it too...he was a very solid QB...Cowboy fans are less than happy with anything less than a SB...I've been there for 44 years
Damn right we are.
| 551 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:04:05pm |
re: #529 albusteve
I really liked Danny when he was the Cowboys quarterback. However, I'd not refer to him as the great Danny White.
| 552 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:04:11pm |
re: #527 WindUpBird
I mean, you don't really think I'm just some guy who repeats talking points by the Obama administration, right? I thought I've made that clear, that just because I'm a liberal, doesn't mean I'm just overjoyed with everything the administration does. The HCR bill is filled with all kinds of nose-holding garbage and concessions and giveaways to insurance providers.
Doesn't change the fact that we have low corporate tax rates compared to other industrialized countries. That was always my point.
Cool.
| 553 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:04:41pm |
re: #534 Dark_Falcon
nothing wrong with that.
Anyways, my tone aside, theres nothing inherently wrong with putting someone in a home. Some MRDD people you just can't deal with! So yeah, all else aside I hope Trig Palin ends up in the best place for him.
re: #540 SanFranciscoZionist
well, I kinda addressed it above.
In my experience, people who live at home get better, more personalized care, and also tend to be taught better. There are exceptions of course, but in general the needs of a disabled person are substantially different than those of someone who isn't. Abusive, ugly households aside (and of course they exists) its better to be cared for by people that love you than by people who are paid minimum wage to do it, and end up treating your home like their own personal space.
re: #546 The Sanity Inspector
heh I admit it was a bit of a cheap shot. It IS likely thats what'll happen tho'.
| 554 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:06:41pm |
re: #551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I really liked Danny when he was the Cowboys quarterback. However, I'd not refer to him as the great Danny White.
Given the HOFer he had to follow, he done good. Not great, but good.
| 555 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:07:38pm |
re: #550 cliffster
Damn right we are.
remember him going right back downfield after the 'Catch'?...I do and he would have scored and beat SF imo...he was sacked ,fumbled and knocked out....not his fault....that kid had guts, and the rest of the team was marginal....he didn't win the SB but to diss him like that is just unfair....22 guys play that game....what about Romo this last month?...did you see the SD game?....did he lose that game too....you guys are out of touch
| 556 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:08:05pm |
re: #554 The Sanity Inspector
Given the HOFer he had to follow, he done good. Not great, but good.
yes, exactly
| 557 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:08:07pm |
Burd must get back to work, stuff is coming at me fat, fast and furious. Not that I don't want to stay and play amongst the tax policy proposals 8-)
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:08:24pm |
re: #543 prairiefire
No, no,no. Are you kidding? Please say you missed a sarc tag. Remember I just came back from there. Of course there is pressure not to get pregnant. I hope to God so. I don't want or need a pregnant woman at my side or back in a combat situation. Nor do I want to lose a member of my team months early because I cannot put her on top of an aircraft, in a hangar full of chemicals, or Heaven forbid, in an uparmoried vehicle pulling gate guard. Why is it difficult to keep it zipped up for one lousy year? Most of us do it. PS, most people are serving away from their spouses. Ever wonder why divorce goes up immediately after a deployment?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:08:47pm |
re: #546 The Sanity Inspector
Libs, who howl when their patriotism is questioned, are often as quick or quicker to question the basic humanity of conservatives.
True, but absolutely true versa-vice.
A bad habit I see people here working to get out of.
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theheat Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:09:27pm |
re: #553 windsagio
In 25 years the Palins will be at the age where maybe they can't care for a special needs child. To me, that's the frightening part - wondering about the child's health and happiness if I could no longer care for them. Could you bank on one of the other siblings caring for them as you would?
It happened in Mr. Heat's family. The relative was basically abandoned and institutionalized. All kinds of bad after that. You have to ask yourself, what if?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:09:51pm |
re: #553 windsagio
In my experience, people who live at home get better, more personalized care, and also tend to be taught better. There are exceptions of course, but in general the needs of a disabled person are substantially different than those of someone who isn't. Abusive, ugly households aside (and of course they exists) its better to be cared for by people that love you than by people who are paid minimum wage to do it, and end up treating your home like their own personal space.
That is true for my experience with Elder Care as well. Better with exceptions, noted) to be cared for by someone who loves you.
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Sharmuta Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:10:34pm |
re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist
True, but absolutely true versa-vice.
A bad habit I see people here working to get out of.
Some.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:10:40pm |
re: #557 WindUpBird
Burd must get back to work, stuff is coming at me fat, fast and furious. Not that I don't want to stay and play amongst the tax policy proposals 8-)
In your free time, you might want to find something to back up the claims you made about the US's extremely low corporate tax rates. It'll be hard, since ours are almost the highest in the world.
[Link: www.taxfoundation.org...]
[Link: www.oecd.org...]
[Link: www.oecd.org...]
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:11:04pm |
re: #561 theheat
Yes, there are special plans that need to be put in place.
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:11:32pm |
re: #558 Escaped Hillbilly
I am sure you are correct. I don't think like a woman in the military. I'm certain that they are soldiers and concerned with completing the mission at hand.
| 567 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:11:58pm |
The problem with America's current capitalistic health care is that a few people cannot afford the insurance premiums for coverage, right?
Who is getting filthy rich? Hospitals? Nope - they are closing down. Nurses? No.
The insurance companies! and Drug companies!
Why does the current administration want to reward these evil greedy capitalist bastards with essentially government contracts?
I don't get it.
| 568 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:12:31pm |
re: #558 Escaped Hillbilly
No, no,no. Are you kidding? Please say you missed a sarc tag. Remember I just came back from there. Of course there is pressure not to get pregnant. I hope to God so. I don't want or need a pregnant woman at my side or back in a combat situation. Nor do I want to lose a member of my team months early because I cannot put her on top of an aircraft, in a hangar full of chemicals, or Heaven forbid, in an uparmoried vehicle pulling gate guard. Why is it difficult to keep it zipped up for one lousy year? Most of us do it. PS, most people are serving away from their spouses. Ever wonder why divorce goes up immediately after a deployment?
That many people cheat? Oh, my.
| 569 |
Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:12:55pm |
re: #555 albusteve
remember him going right back downfield after the 'Catch'?...I do and he would have scored and beat SF imo...he was sacked ,fumbled and knocked out...not his fault...that kid had guts, and the rest of the team was marginal...he didn't win the SB but to diss him like that is just unfair...22 guys play that game...what about Romo this last month?...did you see the SD game?...did he lose that game too...you guys are out of touch
I'll never forget that game..We were TDY in Alameda doing some reactor work on the USS Enterprise...Great game! My daughter was born not long after wards at Merritt Hospital in Oakland.. Magical year for the Hoopster family.
| 571 |
Surabaya Stew Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:15:17pm |
re: #511 windsagio
It bears out with my experience however. Raising a disabled child to adulthood (and beyond) is an EXTREMELY difficult process. A huge majority end up in group homes. "Dumped" is just my prejudices speaking (my family was in a position for various reasons that they COULD keep my disabled brother).
I'd put down a huge bet that within the next 25 years Trig Palin is living in a group home.
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
He's actually got better odds than most. He's got a large family and plenty of people willing to help care for him. I'm not a Sarah Palin fan anymore, but I do give her son better odds than most.
Thanks for brings up this important subject. One of my first Architect jobs was at a firm that designed group homes for the mentally and/or physically disabled. The efforts of thousands of people in New York alone was required to push for funding from the State/private donors, find sites, build, design in a sensitive and cost-effective manner, operate and maintain the residence. Although the job didn't pay well (due to the non-profit nature of the business), in the end it was well worth it because they were the best clients I've ever had.
Still, every years finds New York State with a waiting list of 1,000's of parents and guardians desperate to find a slot for a loved one that they can no longer take care of. A shocking number of them end up homeless, taken advantage of by unscrupulous relatives for their SSI checks, or neglected as their guardians fade away. And this is in a state with a better than average record of caring for these vulnerable folks. God knows what goes on in less-caring states or countries....
| 572 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:15:42pm |
re: #567 Racer X
The problem with America's current capitalistic health care is that a few people cannot afford the insurance premiums for coverage, right?
Who is getting filthy rich? Hospitals? Nope - they are closing down. Nurses? No.
The insurance companies! and Drug companies!
Why does the current administration want to reward these evil greedy capitalist bastards with essentially government contracts?
I don't get it.
Nothing to worry about. Obama says it's good for the people. Congress said it's good for the people. Democrats are looking out for the people. Nothing to worry about.
| 573 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:15:57pm |
re: #567 Racer X
The problem with America's current capitalistic health care is that a few people cannot afford the insurance premiums for coverage, right?
Who is getting filthy rich? Hospitals? Nope - they are closing down. Nurses? No.
The insurance companies! and Drug companies!
Why does the current administration want to reward these evil greedy capitalist bastards with essentially government contracts?
I don't get it.
Hype and Chance.
| 574 |
Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:15:57pm |
re: #570 prairiefire
We can agree on that comment! ;-)
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:16:22pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:16:26pm |
re: #555 albusteve
From Wikipedia...
White had 1,761 completions on 2,950 attempts for 21,959 yards, 155 touchdowns, and 132 interceptions in his career. He also gained 482 yards and scored 8 touchdowns rushing. Unusual for a quarterback, he has two pass receptions for touchdowns, both from a halfback option pass. On special teams, he punted 610 times for 24,509 yards, an average of 40.4 yards per punt, with 144 punts in the 20 and 77 touchbacks. His record as the Cowboys' starting quarterback was 62-32 (.659 winning percentage) during the regular season, and 5-5 in the playoffs.
| 578 |
avanti Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:17:10pm |
re: #567 Racer X
The problem with America's current capitalistic health care is that a few people cannot afford the insurance premiums for coverage, right?
Who is getting filthy rich? Hospitals? Nope - they are closing down. Nurses? No.
The insurance companies! and Drug companies!
Why does the current administration want to reward these evil greedy capitalist bastards with essentially government contracts?
Actually, the administration wanted a public option to compete with insurance companies to drive costs down, but you know how that turned out. The public option was renamed "socialized, government run health care" by the right.
I don't get it.
| 579 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:17:19pm |
re: #571 Surabaya Stew
Thanks for brings up this important subject. One of my first Architect jobs was at a firm that designed group homes for the mentally and/or physically disabled. The efforts of thousands of people in New York alone was required to push for funding from the State/private donors, find sites, build, design in a sensitive and cost-effective manner, operate and maintain the residence. Although the job didn't pay well (due to the non-profit nature of the business), in the end it was well worth it because they were the best clients I've ever had.
Still, every years finds New York State with a waiting list of 1,000's of parents and guardians desperate to find a slot for a loved one that they can no longer take care of. A shocking number of them end up homeless, taken advantage of by unscrupulous relatives for their SSI checks, or neglected as their guardians fade away. And this is in a state with a better than average record of caring for these vulnerable folks. God knows what goes on in less-caring states or countries...
Thanks for sharing that. Thank you for your good works. May the Lord bless you for your decency and caring.
| 580 |
webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:17:19pm |
re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Aunt Clara had for years labored under the delusion that I was not only perpetually 4 years old, but also a girl.
He looks like a deranged rabbit.
| 581 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:17:43pm |
re: #561 theheat
In 25 years the Palins will be at the age where maybe they can't care for a special needs child. To me, that's the frightening part - wondering about the child's health and happiness if I could no longer care for them. Could you bank on one of the other siblings caring for them as you would?
It happened in Mr. Heat's family. The relative was basically abandoned and institutionalized. All kinds of bad after that. You have to ask yourself, what if?
It's a hard situation. The Palins are obviously better off than the average American family, in that they have more money, and a few more kids. In 25 years, one of the older children may well have a household Trig could join. And in the next 25 years, I hope options for adults with Downs' will expand.
Really none of my damn business, except that, you know, the nation sort of pretend-bonded with him at the RNC.
| 582 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:17:56pm |
re: #567 Racer X
I don't get it.
You should read up on it. There's been plenty written about it. You might find it interesting.
| 583 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:18:21pm |
re: #561 theheat
Thats the brutal part. Parents can't care for them forever... You just have to do your best to pick a good agency, and hope that even if the siblings can't care for the person they CAN at least be good advocates. Stories like that always break my heart.
re: #571 Surabaya Stew
its effin' brutal. If ever you wanna get yourself wall-punching mad, ask someone in the field for some horror stories. The good places are good, especially when they start out. It just takes alot of thought and effort to get your relatives properly cared for.
| 585 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:18:48pm |
re: #569 HoosierHoops
I'll never forget that game..We were TDY in Alameda doing some reactor work on the USS Enterprise...Great game! My daughter was born not long after wards at Merritt Hospital in Oakland.. Magical year for the Hoopster family.
itsa wonder what people remember...but beating the Montana 49's was an epic thing back then....not too many teams did....he was the all around best I've ever seen
| 586 |
prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:19:16pm |
re: #575 albusteve
You mean the Dallas cowboy Cheerleader women. Lots of rib cages!!
| 587 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:19:16pm |
re: #567 Racer X
The problem with America's current capitalistic health care is that a few people cannot afford the insurance premiums for coverage, right?
Who is getting filthy rich? Hospitals? Nope - they are closing down. Nurses? No.
The insurance companies! and Drug companies!
Why does the current administration want to reward these evil greedy capitalist bastards with essentially government contracts?
I don't get it.
Soon as the nurses and hospitals form PACs that can out-donate the latter, Congress will be right there at their service.
| 588 |
Surabaya Stew Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:19:19pm |
re: #579 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for sharing that. Thank you for your good works. May the Lord bless you for your decency and caring.
Thanks DF, your well wishes are much appreciated. And with that, comes a call in the background to go out and buy/set-up the Christmas tree....BBL!
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:19:28pm |
re: #555 albusteve
remember him going right back downfield after the 'Catch'?...I do and he would have scored and beat SF imo...he was sacked ,fumbled and knocked out...not his fault...that kid had guts, and the rest of the team was marginal...he didn't win the SB but to diss him like that is just unfair...22 guys play that game...what about Romo this last month?...did you see the SD game?...did he lose that game too...you guys are out of touch
Sorry, man. You're right, he didn't have a lot to work with. I hope Mr White accepts my humblest apologies ;)
| 590 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:19:41pm |
re: #576 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
From Wikipedia...
White had 1,761 completions on 2,950 attempts for 21,959 yards, 155 touchdowns, and 132 interceptions in his career. He also gained 482 yards and scored 8 touchdowns rushing. Unusual for a quarterback, he has two pass receptions for touchdowns, both from a halfback option pass. On special teams, he punted 610 times for 24,509 yards, an average of 40.4 yards per punt, with 144 punts in the 20 and 77 touchbacks. His record as the Cowboys' starting quarterback was 62-32 (.659 winning percentage) during the regular season, and 5-5 in the playoffs.
and I think his accuracy numbers are better than Aikmans
| 591 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:19:53pm |
re: #577 Walter L. Newton
Snowing...
It just stopped here. We got multiple inches again. Chicago is nowhere near as bad as Colorado, but its still quite snowy.
| 592 |
Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:20:04pm |
re: #568 Dark_Falcon
Yes. But that is still no where near most. Most behave themselves. It has an impact though. Rumours can have almost the same effect. I am put in mind of my room mate in Afghanistan. Her husband dumped her and moved back to Texas because it was rumored she was "dating" a male Soldier from our Section. She wasn't. HIS wife left him too...and started the rumor for revenge. But didn't admit it was false until it was too late.
| 593 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:20:06pm |
re: #578 avanti
Actually, the administration wanted a public option to compete with insurance companies to drive costs down, but you know how that turned out. The public option was renamed "socialized, government run health care" by the right.
Nope, sorry Avanti, the left owns this bill lock, stock and both barrels. It's your's. The right had NOTHING to do with it, they even tried to obstruct it, shut it down, not a single person on the right voted for it, so what ever is in that bill, it was totally, 100 percent belongs to the left.
How can you even suggest that the right had ANYTHING to do with the final Senate bill?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:20:43pm |
Science tyrants are pressing misery on are brows!
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Digital Display Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:21:30pm |
re: #570 prairiefire
Men and their football.
Yes..I like basketball for obvious reasons..I played point in College..
All of our kids where born at the Queen of the Valley in Napa Valley except Nikki.. She was born in downtown Oakland and she rubs it in..She claims to be the studdess of the family....*wink* She is the most beautiful girl in the world..in my not my most humble opinion
| 596 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:22:10pm |
re: #591 Dark_Falcon
It just stopped here. We got multiple inches again. Chicago is nowhere near as bad as Colorado, but its still quite snowy.
Just started, and it's suppose to piddle on for a couple of days. They say maybe 5-10 inches, we'll see. Actually, the heaviest will be east of here, a blizzard on the plains and Kansas, moderate in Denver and up here, hard to tell, because we will be getting the far western edge of it.
| 597 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:23:06pm |
re: #583 windsagio
My severely mentally handicapped cousin died last year. He was in his 50's. His parents were in their late 70's.
He died before they did. An answer to their prayers... a prayer no parent should ever have to make.
And that is all I have to say about that, makes me sad just thinking about it.
| 598 |
prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:23:09pm |
re: #595 HoosierHoops
Definitely street cred with downtown Oakland on her BC.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:23:09pm |
re: #578 avanti
I'm with you.
If we're going to get the government involved we must go all in.
The government must take over the insurance aspect of it, and let the doctors nurses and hospitals continue to do their thing. We can negotiate prices.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:23:10pm |
re: #591 Dark_Falcon
It just stopped here. We got multiple inches again. Chicago is nowhere near as bad as Colorado, but its still quite snowy.
People here are still digging out. I had to take a personal day Monday because the government was closed. Since I'm a contractor, I don't get snow days. I might be able to make up for the lost time by doing some work from home this weekend and next weekend.
| 601 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:23:13pm |
re: #592 Escaped Hillbilly
Yes. But that is still no where near most. Most behave themselves. It has an impact though. Rumours can have almost the same effect. I am put in mind of my room mate in Afghanistan. Her husband dumped her and moved back to Texas because it was rumored she was "dating" a male Soldier from our Section. She wasn't. HIS wife left him too...and started the rumor for revenge. But didn't admit it was false until it was too late.
What a rotten thing to do. I hate gossip, it ruins lives and its almost impossible to stop once it gets started. Both of the large stores I've worked at had to have the manager address the whole store on at least one occasion simply to shut down rumor mills that were damaging the team.
| 602 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:23:56pm |
re: #582 Killgore Trout
You should read up on it. There's been plenty written about it. You might find it interesting.
You're killing me man!
The more I read the more pissed off I get.
| 603 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:24:18pm |
re: #593 Walter L. Newton
Nope, sorry Avanti, the left owns this bill lock, stock and both barrels. It's your's. The right had NOTHING to do with it, they even tried to obstruct it, shut it down, not a single person on the right voted for it, so what ever is in that bill, it was totally, 100 percent belongs to the left.
How can you even suggest that the right had ANYTHING to do with the final Senate bill?
witness...a myth in the making
| 604 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:24:19pm |
re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm sorry, I can drop the subject. One forgets how you can get hardened to the suffering in this stuff...
| 605 |
Sharmuta Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:24:32pm |
Feels like the old days. Charles is Eva Braun, and Lizards are discussing the weather.
| 606 |
prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:24:57pm |
re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
{FBV}
We were very fortunate with our kids. I got extra special attention because I was a pregnant mom of "advanced age." It all worked out ok.
| 607 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:25:17pm |
re: #605 Sharmuta
Feels like the old days. Charles is Eva Braun, and Lizards are discussing the weather.
Why did you have to remind me of the weather guy?
| 608 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:26:02pm |
re: #599 Racer X
I'm with you.
If we're going to get the government involved we must go all in.
The government must take over the insurance aspect of it, and let the doctors nurses and hospitals continue to do their thing. We can negotiate prices.
You are (rightfully) going off on corrupt feds, and almost in the same breath say they should take over everything. Sheesh
| 609 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:26:05pm |
| 610 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:26:06pm |
It's pretty cold here on the west coast. I blame Al Gore and his Science Tyrants.
| 612 |
Sharmuta Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:26:33pm |
re: #607 Alouette
Why did you have to remind me of the weather guy?
Because I got drunk in Denver once.
| 613 |
jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:26:33pm |
re: #605 Sharmuta
Science tyrants are predicting a high of 75 in Houston tomorrow.
| 614 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:27:13pm |
re: #605 Sharmuta
Feels like the old days. Charles is Eva Braun, and Lizards are discussing the weather.
and football is more important than any of that stuff....really it is
| 615 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:27:19pm |
re: #610 Charles
I think the science tyrants have taken over your brain, better do something fast!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:27:30pm |
A great mystery has been solved. I have an obsessive cat. She's much better now as she become older and more mellow but she developed a new obsession a few weeks ago. At 2 or 3 in the morning she'd freak out, run around, crash into things and wouldn't calm down for an hour or so. I could here she was playing with something but couldn't figure out what it was. She did this every night for a few nights and I discovered she was playing a pistachio nut. I picked up the nut and threw it away. The next night she freaks out again playing with a pistachio nut. The next morning I threw it away and looked around the kitchen and pantry to see where they were coming from. I haven't had pistachios in six months. Next night another pistachio freak out. Today I emptied out my roomba and there were 12 nuts in there. I went all over the house and couldn't figure out where they were coming from. I finally discovered a small hole in a Christmas package my mom sent. Sure enough the cat had chewed a small hole in the box and was sticking her paw in to get pistachios to play with. If that cat finds another one tonight I'm going to give up.
| 617 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:28:20pm |
| 618 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:28:30pm |
re: #602 Racer X
You're killing me man!
The more I read the more pissed off I get.
I know, that why I didn't bother explaining it to you. The information is out there if you want it.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:28:50pm |
re: #608 cliffster
You are (rightfully) going off on corrupt feds, and almost in the same breath say they should take over everything. Sheesh
Not quite. I'm going off on the insurance industry - they are the ones getting filthy rich - not corrupt feds.
I'm saying IF we need to get the government involved (and I think we do), then it makes no sense at all to reward the people who are the problem - insurance and drug companies.
This current legislation totally misses the mark. It should be abandoned.
All in - or not at all.
| 620 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:29:00pm |
re: #590 albusteve
and I think his accuracy numbers are better than Aikmans
WIKIPEDIA AGAIN
AIKMAN
TD-INT 165-141
Passing yards 32,942
QB Rating 81.6
WHITE
TD-INT 155-132
Yards 21,959
QB Rating 81.7
(just for fun)
STAUBACH
TDs-INT 153-109
Yards 22,700
QB Rating 83.4
| 621 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:29:33pm |
re: #610 Charles
It's pretty cold here on the west coast. I blame Al Gore and his Science Tyrants.
I'm getting ready to call FEMA - its forty-fucking-seven degrees outside.
I can't live like this.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:29:53pm |
re: #599 Racer X
I'm with you.
If we're going to get the government involved we must go all in.
The government must take over the insurance aspect of it, and let the doctors nurses and hospitals continue to do their thing. We can negotiate prices.
If the government is in complete control of insurance, then where is a) any motivation to do a good job, and b) any motivation to hold down costs? If you spend your money for your benefit, you try to get the most value for the least money. If you spend someone else's money for your benefit, you still want the most value, but you don't care about price so much. If you spend your money for someone else's benefit, then you spend as little as possible with little thought to value.
But in the scenario of government control, you're spending someone else's money for someone else's benefit--so who cares what the hell happens. Market efficiencies are out the window.
| 623 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:30:08pm |
re: #611 prairiefire
Retail is a serpent's nest.
Actually, the folks I work with at Sprint are a really good group of people. The problem is that whenever you have a large team you get rumors started by half-known things people overheard. Its human nature, and something that management dealt with properly.
| 624 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:30:19pm |
re: #619 Racer X
so you'd do rather do nothing at all, than do something good that has a side-effect of rewarding some bad people?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:30:30pm |
re: #616 Killgore Trout
It's a test as part of your cat overlord annual appraisal!
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:30:56pm |
re: #618 Killgore Trout
I know, that why I didn't bother explaining it to you. The information is out there if you want it.
Help me out bro.
| 627 |
kingkenrod Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:31:01pm |
re: #567 Racer X
The problem with America's current capitalistic health care is that a few people cannot afford the insurance premiums for coverage, right?
Who is getting filthy rich? Hospitals? Nope - they are closing down. Nurses? No.
The insurance companies! and Drug companies!
Why does the current administration want to reward these evil greedy capitalist bastards with essentially government contracts?
I don't get it.
They're not being rewarded, they're being bribed into coming under the govt umbrella.
Those companies will become more and more reliant on govt largesse to succeed - they will have to lobby harder and harder to get what they want.
The govt will always try to get its hooks into everything it possibly can.
| 628 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:31:11pm |
re: #620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You're missing a stat - Superbowls won.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:31:40pm |
re: #620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
WIKIPEDIA AGAIN
AIKMAN
TD-INT 165-141
Passing yards 32,942
QB Rating 81.6WHITE
TD-INT 155-132
Yards 21,959
QB Rating 81.7(just for fun)
STAUBACH
TDs-INT 153-109
Yards 22,700
QB Rating 83.4
there you have it....I want a cookie
(Romo is gonna blow all that stuff away, fyi)
| 630 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:33:03pm |
re: #624 windsagio
so you'd do rather do nothing at all, than do something good that has a side-effect of rewarding some bad people?
I'm not seeing an upside with the current legislation. Perhaps I'm missing it.
| 631 |
kingkenrod Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:33:17pm |
re: #619 Racer X
Not quite. I'm going off on the insurance industry - they are the ones getting filthy rich - not corrupt feds.
I'm saying IF we need to get the government involved (and I think we do), then it makes no sense at all to reward the people who are the problem - insurance and drug companies.
This current legislation totally misses the mark. It should be abandoned.
All in - or not at all.
Are they getting filthy rich? I've read their margins are like 8%.
| 632 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:33:33pm |
re: #629 albusteve
there you have it...I want a cookie
(Romo is gonna blow all that stuff away, fyi)
Hope so. He needs to get out of his own head. When he does, it's on.
| 633 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:33:35pm |
re: #629 albusteve
From your mouth to God's ears, Bish.
I'd love nothing more for Romo to be the "guy". He looked HOF good the other night.
| 634 |
avanti Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:33:50pm |
re: #629 albusteve
there you have it...I want a cookie
(Romo is gonna blow all that stuff away, fyi)
No cookie, how about a free hug ?
| 635 |
prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:34:01pm |
re: #584 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, what's the reference?
| 636 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:34:30pm |
re: #631 kingkenrod
Are they getting filthy rich? I've read their margins are like 8%.
OK. Who is getting filthy rich then?
Because premiums are going way up.
| 637 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:34:52pm |
re: #558 Escaped Hillbilly
Another military poster who was objecting to women in combat squads made a great point. He said he would be away from wife and kids for 2 years. So he wanted zero temptation available. I can understand that.
I know women who can fight like hells own.
I have had a bunch of civilian defense training. Nearly 20 years. I never ever served in our military. I twice had the honor to help as a trainer brought in for specific seminars on very CQB. Once to men only, once to a mixed group.
I did learn how distilled and exclusive a circumstance military combat is. Everything else such as relationships, sex, learning to adapt to the opposite sex in your squad is a distraction. Civilians have mixed lives. The military has that at the base as a luxury. Combat fighters deserve to have the lowest possible number and kind of distractions.
| 638 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:35:48pm |
Cat story. I was house sitting/cat watching. Old cat. Owners claimed 22 years. I came in one eve to feed & had on a beanie and coat. Cat started freaking out and hissing in the kitchen. I got a little scared by the dang thing. Took off beanie & coat, tried to talk to cat....hissing and freaking out non stop.
I finally realized the cat was reacting to its reflection in the front of the black dishwasher. I got some towels & covered it and the oven, problem solved.
| 639 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:36:03pm |
| 640 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:36:14pm |
re: #624 windsagio
so you'd do rather do nothing at all, than do something good that has a side-effect of rewarding some bad people?
I thought that rewarding the bad people was one of the things that was going to disappear with hope and change? That was this administrations promise. This bill belongs 100 percent to the administration. You're happy with it?
| 641 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:37:31pm |
re: #628 cliffster
You're missing a stat - Superbowls won.
Fran Tarkenton never won a SB
Jim Kelly never won a SB
Warren Moon never won a SB
Dan Marino never won a SB
Hall of Famers, all
| 642 |
webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:37:51pm |
re: #567 Racer X
Why does the current administration want to reward these evil greedy capitalist bastards with essentially government contracts?I don't get it.
Maybe because this is the system that is already in place and the only way to begin health care reform?
Last I heard Republicans were howling about how the public option would be too much competition for the insurance companies...now they are whining that this is good for insurance companies.
| 643 |
Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:38:09pm |
re: #623 Dark_Falcon
Yep. I tried to squelch rumorswithin the section as much as possible. I remember a relatively senior NCO coming in to tell my Joes we were leaving Iraq early because Pres. O. said so on the news! Luckily, my Platoon SGT and I had already warned them that these rumors were expected and nothing had been officially decided for us yet. Still caused several to come running for more info. Hated to let them down. You're right, most rumors are not started out of spite.
| 645 |
kingkenrod Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:38:19pm |
re: #636 Racer X
OK. Who is getting filthy rich then?
Because premiums are going way up.
Well, here's an observation - look at the underlying costs. Is the cost of delivering health care going up, per capita? This includes everything - doctors, drugs, facilities, insurance, administration.
| 647 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:38:54pm |
re: #642 webevintage
Maybe because this is the system that is already in place and the only way to begin health care reform?
Last I heard Republicans were howling about how the public option would be too much competition for the insurance companies...now they are whining that this is good for insurance companies.
Last I heard was that the administration wasn't going to give a handout to big pharma and big insurance.
| 648 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:39:04pm |
re: #629 albusteve
Wikipedia also mentions that Staubach had over 2,200 yards rushing and another 21 TDs on 410 carries. That 5+ yards per run on average. And his QB rating when he retired in 1980 was the highest ever at that time.
The game was different back then.
White basically had massive shoes to fill.
| 649 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:39:30pm |
| 650 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:39:38pm |
re: #633 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
From your mouth to God's ears, Bish.
I'd love nothing more for Romo to be the "guy". He looked HOF good the other night.
and against SD he was awesome, but lost....his time will come...Romo has put up some eye popping numbers since 2006....top three or four league wide
| 651 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:39:57pm |
re: #642 webevintage
Maybe because this is the system that is already in place and the only way to begin health care reform?
Last I heard Republicans were howling about how the public option would be too much competition for the insurance companies...now they are whining that this is good for insurance companies.
Not me. I see insurance companies as part of the problem. I'm ok with a government takeover of the insurance aspect of health care. Leave the doctors and nurses alone.
| 652 |
kingkenrod Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:40:13pm |
re: #647 Walter L. Newton
Last I heard was that the administration wasn't going to give a handout to big pharma and big insurance.
They just forced 50,000,000 people to buy insurance. Many of these people are young and/or poor, so the govt will be picking up part of that tab. Trillions of dollars.
| 653 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:40:13pm |
re: #638 Stanley Sea
Heh. I had a kitten once who was in love with her own reflection. She'd just sit in front of a mirror and stare lovingly into her own eyes.
| 654 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:40:20pm |
re: #629 albusteve
there you have it...I want a cookie
(Romo is gonna blow all that stuff away, fyi)
I'm going to see him on Sunday.
:)
| 655 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:41:37pm |
Obama, during 2008 campaign - "We're going to do away with business as usual "
Howard Dean, re: Senate health care bill bribes - "This is just the way legislation is done"
| 656 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:41:44pm |
re: #649 Rightwingconspirator
Maybe the cat was trying to jam the Roomba. My cats hate small mechanical devices that move.
| 657 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:41:44pm |
re: #630 Racer X
Well, lets take the specific (and very controversial) point we were discussing earlier: A national health insurance mandate.
This more than anything else (especially under the current bawlderized (sp) version) will put a TON of money into the insurance companies' pockets.
So why is this being put in? The thing I"m gonna focus on emergency care. As of now, if an uninsured person has a health problem, they ignore it as long as they can, then go into the ER. Now compared to a normal clinic, or urgent care, or whatever, ER care is MASSIVELY expensive.
The reliance of the uninsured on ERs has 2 immediate effects I'd go into.
1) it murders the hospitals bottom lines, and makes all hospital care more expensive.
2) it slows down ER care terribly, and can hurt people who actually need emergency help.
Now people actually HAVING Insurance would help both of these, by keeping people out of ERs. Isn't that a good thing to include, even though it helps the insurance companies?
(Yes I know that issue is more complex than that, but I'm hitting the main positives for ease)
| 658 |
webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:41:57pm |
re: #630 Racer X
I'm not seeing an upside with the current legislation. Perhaps I'm missing it.
Community Health Centers and tuition reimbursment for folks willing to become GPs and Nurse Practitioners.
[Link: sanders.senate.gov...]
go read ezra klien
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
| 659 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:42:08pm |
| 660 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:42:25pm |
re: #650 albusteve
ROMO
TD-INT 104-53
Passing yards 14,448
QB Rating 95.6
Stat that will haunt him until he blows it away with stuff like last week?...
One fumbled extra point hold.
Totally unfair, but tainted as hell, huh.
| 661 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:43:38pm |
| 662 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:43:45pm |
re: #657 windsagio
[snip]
This more than anything else (especially under the current bawlderized (sp) version) will put a TON of money into the insurance companies' pockets.
[snip]
And that is exactly the opposite that Obama promised us, he said he would not compromise with the drug and insurance companies. This is ok with you now?
| 663 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:43:51pm |
My brow is furrowed from the pressing of the science tyrants. I think I need a public option.
| 664 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:44:32pm |
re: #654 NJDhockeyfan
I'm going to see him on Sunday.
Have I told you that you look extra handsome today? I mean, you are handsome to begin with, but today... just wow! You look great! And, smart! Gosh! You are smart too!
Anything I can do for you? Wash your car? Clean your windows?
| 665 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:44:51pm |
re: #648 oaktree
Wikipedia also mentions that Staubach had over 2,200 yards rushing and another 21 TDs on 410 carries. That 5+ yards per run on average. And his QB rating when he retired in 1980 was the highest ever at that time.
The game was different back then.
White basically had massive shoes to fill.
it was different back then...White did what Landry told him to do whereas Staubach made shit up, infuriating Landry...Roger was a piece of work alright....people that never saw him play really missed out, in fact he was the one that set the tone for the meme that that Dallas is an exciting, fun, never out of it team....and they still are basically....they utterly thrashed NO the other night
| 666 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:45:14pm |
re: #641 albusteve
Fran Tarkenton never won a SB
Jim Kelly never won a SB
Warren Moon never won a SB
Dan Marino never won a SB
Hall of Famers, all
Romo: who knows?
My wife asked me before the Saint's game, "You mean the Cowboys could still win the Superbowl?" Hell yeah they could. C'mon, Woman!
| 667 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:45:23pm |
re: #661 windsagio
err?
You say the strangest things.
Really, no Obama said he was not going to deal with the drug companies and the insurance companies, he said he was going to get single payer, he said everyone would be covered, and now we have a bill where everyone one of those promises have been broken.
| 668 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:45:34pm |
re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Have I told you that you look extra handsome today? I mean, you are handsome to begin with, but today... just wow! You look great! And, smart! Gosh! You are smart too!
Anything I can do for you? Wash your car? Clean your windows?
You sports-minded men are all pigs!
/
| 669 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:46:01pm |
re: #659 Racer X
And in other news, Sarah Palin called for the development of small drilling derricks to suck the antifreeze out of said beetles.
/You betcha
| 670 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:46:36pm |
re: #656 oaktree
Maybe the cat was trying to jam the Roomba. My cats hate small mechanical devices that move.
Surprisingly cats don't hate the roomba unlike the regular vacuum cleaner.
| 671 |
Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:46:48pm |
re: #637 Rightwingconspirator
Sorry to the men, but those "distractions" have to be there. We are needed to keep force strength up. I really have not had much combat training in my almost 20 years in the Army. Soldiers do a lot more than street patrols. Not that most of us are very alluring in our combat uniforms and a day or two of stink on us. LOL. Most of the men I work with are more than capable of focusing on the task at hand.
| 672 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:46:51pm |
re: #662 Walter L. Newton
I suspect that this is one place where the administration got bitch-slapped by reality.
Probably underestimated the sheer bullheadedness of the (R)s in the senate, and the power of the insurance industry to murder real reform.
re: #667 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure how this became about Obama, but I'll just throw in that he's not the absolute dictator, and the house and senate have both acted corruptly and discracefully.
| 674 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:47:09pm |
re: #663 Charles
Global warming panels!
| 675 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:47:13pm |
re: #654 NJDhockeyfan
I'm going to see him on Sunday.
:)
it's another huge game for them....I can't tell you how many heart attacks I've had over the decades...and I still suffer, just like a kid...have fun bro and remember....the Skins are NEVER EVER a gimme
| 676 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:47:38pm |
re: #667 Walter L. Newton
Really, no Obama said he was not going to deal with the drug companies and the insurance companies, he said he was going to get single payer, he said everyone would be covered, and now we have a bill where everyone one of those promises have been broken.
You left out the fact that it is all the GOPs fault.
| 677 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:48:29pm |
re: #653 Killgore Trout
Heh. I had a kitten once who was in love with her own reflection. She'd just sit in front of a mirror and stare lovingly into her own eyes.
I had a kitten once who was on the bed and saw her reflection in a mirror. Arched her back and hissed at it - then ran and leaped off the bed, smack into the mirror.
The cat has never been the same since. We call her 'Psycho Cat".
| 678 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:48:51pm |
| 679 |
jaunte Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:49:03pm |
re: #676 Racer X
And the transparency part, not that there was ever much hope for that.
| 680 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:49:06pm |
re: #675 albusteve
I am a Cowboys fan because my big brother was (and is) a HUGE Redskins fan. Thought that would piss him off (a positive) then started paying attention, Cowboys QB was Roger (another positive)... they were flashy too.
Never looked back.
| 681 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:49:23pm |
re: #665 albusteve
it was different back then...White did what Landry told him to do whereas Staubach made shit up, infuriating Landry...Roger was a piece of work alright...people that never saw him play really missed out, in fact he was the one that set the tone for the meme that that Dallas is an exciting, fun, never out of it team...and they still are basically...they utterly thrashed NO the other night
All the guys who played with Staubach said no matter how bad they were losing with 2:00 minutes left, when they were in the huddle they knew they had a chance to win the game. I hope Romo gets his offense players believing the same thing. When that happens they will be unbeatable.
| 682 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:49:31pm |
re: #676 Racer X
In case you're really interested in what Obama campaigned on versus what he's doing.....
Promises about Health Care on the Obameter
| 683 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:50:21pm |
re: #667 Walter L. Newton
Really, no Obama said he was not going to deal with the drug companies and the insurance companies, he said he was going to get single payer, he said everyone would be covered, and now we have a bill where everyone one of those promises have been broken.
That's about the way of it with BHO. Change You Can Believe In!
| 684 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:50:25pm |
re: #676 Racer X
aw, c'mon, I gave you a damn mini-essay (and boy do my fingers hurt!) you could at least respond to it >>
| 685 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:50:25pm |
Good night to all lizards. Time for bed and letting the cats prowl the apartment looking for catnip toys.
| 686 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:50:40pm |
re: #672 windsagio
I suspect that this is one place where the administration got bitch-slapped by reality.
Probably underestimated the sheer bullheadedness of the (R)s in the senate, and the power of the insurance industry to murder real reform.
re: #667 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure how this became about Obama, but I'll just throw in that he's not the absolute dictator, and the house and senate have both acted corruptly and discracefully.
The Republicans had no input, remember? Reid constantly complained that the GOP would not have anything to do with it. It's yours... take ownership... be proud... stop trying to blame the GOP... it's below you to whine now.
| 687 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:51:02pm |
re: #666 cliffster
Romo: who knows?
My wife asked me before the Saint's game, "You mean the Cowboys could still win the Superbowl?" Hell yeah they could. C'mon, Woman!
my ex used to have the end games all figured out...if so and so wins but so and so loses....all that stuff...she was/is a junkie, just like me
| 688 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:51:20pm |
re: #682 Killgore Trout
In case you're really interested in what Obama campaigned on versus what he's doing...
Promises about Health Care on the Obameter
Thanks.
| 689 |
webevintage Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:51:22pm |
re: #662 Walter L. Newton
And that is exactly the opposite that Obama promised us, he said he would not compromise with the drug and insurance companies. This is ok with you now?
I don't think anyone thinks this is perfect legislation, it would have been nice if Republicans had decided to go with governing instead of obstructionism, but thats where we are. It would have been nice if Blue Dogs had been willing to vote for real reform, but that is not the reality of Congress at the moment.
| 690 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:52:11pm |
| 691 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:52:50pm |
re: #680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am a Cowboys fan because my big brother was (and is) a HUGE Redskins fan. Thought that would piss him off (a positive) then started paying attention, Cowboys QB was Roger (another positive)... they were flashy too.
Never looked back.
With the beatdown the Redskins just got, next week should be a no-brainer. Should be, that is.
| 692 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:52:53pm |
re: #689 webevintage
I don't think anyone thinks this is perfect legislation, it would have been nice if Republicans had decided to go with governing instead of obstructionism, but thats where we are. It would have been nice if Blue Dogs had been willing to vote for real reform, but that is not the reality of Congress at the moment.
It's all yours... the GOP had nothing to do with it... LOL.
| 693 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:52:56pm |
re: #688 Racer X
It's surprisingly well documented. Probably fairly accurate.
| 694 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:53:01pm |
re: #675 albusteve
it's another huge game for them...I can't tell you how many heart attacks I've had over the decades...and I still suffer, just like a kid...have fun bro and remember...the Skins are NEVER EVER a gimme
Cowboys/Redskin games are usually close and classic. I can't make up my mind if I want to see a close game or a blow out.
| 695 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:53:57pm |
re: #671 Escaped Hillbilly
First-Thanks for serving. You have my respect for that. If I'm out of line feel free to bust me.
| 696 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:54:34pm |
re: #657 windsagio
Well, lets take the specific (and very controversial) point we were discussing earlier: A national health insurance mandate.
This more than anything else (especially under the current bawlderized (sp) version) will put a TON of money into the insurance companies' pockets.
So why is this being put in? The thing I"m gonna focus on emergency care. As of now, if an uninsured person has a health problem, they ignore it as long as they can, then go into the ER. Now compared to a normal clinic, or urgent care, or whatever, ER care is MASSIVELY expensive.
The reliance of the uninsured on ERs has 2 immediate effects I'd go into.
1) it murders the hospitals bottom lines, and makes all hospital care more expensive.
2) it slows down ER care terribly, and can hurt people who actually need emergency help.Now people actually HAVING Insurance would help both of these, by keeping people out of ERs. Isn't that a good thing to include, even though it helps the insurance companies?
(Yes I know that issue is more complex than that, but I'm hitting the main positives for ease)
Thanks - you make some good points.
This issue is complex. I'm thinking more thought (and DEBATE) is warranted. Pushing through a healthcare bill that is incomplete is wrong. If people need health care now then I'm OK with government aid until we get it right.
| 697 |
Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:54:42pm |
So I guess the point I was trying to make was, NOW, and at least a couple of Congresspersons, were so reactionary they could not comprehend the necessity of enforcing this policy. I thought they were really out of touch. But I guess it was me who was out of touch. In the military, you live such an insular existence, it's easy to get out of synch with how the rest of the world sees things and thinks of things. I still think the Gen was right. But now I realize the people who responded so angrily to it were not so far from the mainstream.
| 698 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:56:11pm |
re: #686 Walter L. Newton
Oh, some of the dems are awful too.
Thats the irony of the situation. The Republicans being lockstep opposed certainly has its effect (it forces Democratic unamity in the Senate for instance) but the real curbs to reform have been rotten and corrupt Dems.
On the other hand, I don't have to 'take ownership' for anything. The people *I* voted for are doing exactly what I want them to do.
The point is, its not really Obamas fault, that congress is so corrupt.
re: #690 Walter L. Newton
Nice cropping there friend.
| 699 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:56:40pm |
re: #681 NJDhockeyfan
All the guys who played with Staubach said no matter how bad they were losing with 2:00 minutes left, when they were in the huddle they knew they had a chance to win the game. I hope Romo gets his offense players believing the same thing. When that happens they will be unbeatable.
Romo loves the 2min drill...he loves a frantic, wild drive...like any QB he needs time to see the D and if he is accurate that night he is basically unstoppable...their vaunted O line is a bit over rated at this point tho....he's getting too much pressure off the outside, but then again he is very elusive...we'll just have to wait and see
| 701 |
Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:56:51pm |
re: #684 windsagio
aw, c'mon, I gave you a damn mini-essay (and boy do my fingers hurt!) you could at least respond to it >>
Thanks for your input. My desire is to learn more.
I am open to whatever will work long term, that will be run efficiently with little waste, and will be effective at delivering quality health care to those truly in need.
| 702 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:57:46pm |
re: #697 Escaped Hillbilly
Are you a fan of mixed gender units in "point of the spear" units like entry teams, tank crews etc?
| 703 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:57:58pm |
G'night Jason, G'night Grandma!
| 704 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:58:11pm |
re: #691 cliffster
With the beatdown the Redskins just got, next week should be a no-brainer. Should be, that is.
Those two teams always play each other well. Remember the awful 1-15 record the Cowboys had in 1989? Their only win was against the Skins in Washington. They have done the same thing to the Cowboys.
| 705 |
albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:58:17pm |
re: #689 webevintage
I don't think anyone thinks this is perfect legislation, it would have been nice if Republicans had decided to go with governing instead of obstructionism, but thats where we are. It would have been nice if Blue Dogs had been willing to vote for real reform, but that is not the reality of Congress at the moment.
bullshit...what choice did Pelosi give the GOP?...that's just ridiculous
| 706 |
windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:58:24pm |
re: #696 Racer X
I'm of the opinion that we get a bad bill in and then improve it (the positive slippery slope). As the house and senate are now, debate won't help anything.
I do see your point tho'. For another position see the 538 article (linked and discussed on here) about how the liberals are stupid for opposing this bill...
re: #701 Racer X
and sorry, didn't know your response was in teh works ;)
| 707 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:58:35pm |
re: #698 windsagio
Oh, some of the dems are awful too.
Thats the irony of the situation. The Republicans being lockstep opposed certainly has its effect (it forces Democratic unamity in the Senate for instance) but the real curbs to reform have been rotten and corrupt Dems.
On the other hand, I don't have to 'take ownership' for anything. The people *I* voted for are doing exactly what I want them to do.
The point is, its not really Obamas fault, that congress is so corrupt.
Bullshit... the stink is all over Obama.
| 708 |
Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:58:57pm |
Rightwingconspirator, that's as close to a mea culpa as I am capable of. Personality defect. Thanks for the conversation. Gotta go make cookies for the kiddo.
| 709 |
prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 7:59:01pm |
re: #697 Escaped Hillbilly
Thanks for your service! Please be sure to read my #566.
From which hills did you escape? My state has the Ozarks.
| 710 |
cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:00:04pm |
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:00:24pm |
re: #707 Walter L. Newton
I guess we know how you feel about Obama then!
Interesting article about how the Republicans current position is effecting the debate (and on the concept that they just have no effect, as per Walter above). Brin is an avowed leftist, and a bit rambly, but he makes some good points in the article, so its worth reading.
| 712 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:00:52pm |
re: #708 Escaped Hillbilly
Have a good time with that. Enjoy!
Maybe we can chat another day. 20 years in. Wow.
| 713 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:00:55pm |
re: #699 albusteve
Romo loves the 2min drill...he loves a frantic, wild drive...like any QB he needs time to see the D and if he is accurate that night he is basically unstoppable...their vaunted O line is a bit over rated at this point tho...he's getting too much pressure off the outside, but then again he is very elusive...we'll just have to wait and see
Sort of like Staubach was. He's a great scrambler. I see a lot of similarities.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:01:20pm |
re: #694 NJDhockeyfan
Cowboys/Redskin games are usually close and classic. I can't make up my mind if I want to see a close game or a blow out.
winning isn't everything, it's the only thing
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:01:26pm |
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:01:31pm |
re: #708 Escaped Hillbilly
Have fun!(she hollers after her) My turn to curl up with book. Peter Ackroyd's biography of Shakespeare.
Night, Lizards.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:02:31pm |
re: #707 Walter L. Newton
Bullshit... the stink is all over Obama.
Not quite. Health care legislation has clearly been in the works for a long time. The original one was Harry and Nancy's wet dream come true. They had to have been working on it for years.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:02:45pm |
re: #711 windsagio
I guess we know how you feel about Obama then!
Interesting article about how the Republicans current position is effecting the debate (and on the concept that they just have no effect, as per Walter above). Brin is an avowed leftist, and a bit rambly, but he makes some good points in the article, so its worth reading.
Yes, I don't like him. I don't want him to fail, but so far he's done nothing I can be proud of. And I am not going to support him on issues that I don't agree with. I guess that makes me what?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:03:43pm |
re: #719 Walter L. Newton
Yes, I don't like him. I don't want him to fail, but so far he's done nothing I can be proud of. And I am not going to support him on issues that I don't agree with. I guess that makes me what?
A racist!
//
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:03:48pm |
re: #718 Racer X
Not quite. Health care legislation has clearly been in the works for a long time. The original one was Harry and Nancy's wet dream come true. They had to have been working on it for years.
And Obama has been their standard bearer.
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:03:57pm |
re: #702 Rightwingconspirator
Oops spoke too soon. Ok, last comment for real this time. No. Never met a female who could hack it for one. For another, not enough control out there on the very edges. Sometimes we end up out there by happenstance. (I'm thinking downed aircraft recovery etc.) But those are limited and can't be helped. Planning to put someone in that position would be poor planning IMHO. Maybe if there were a lot more of us...Hmmmm...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:04:11pm |
re: #719 Walter L. Newton
Yes, I don't like him. I don't want him to fail, but so far he's done nothing I can be proud of. And I am not going to support him on issues that I don't agree with. I guess that makes me what?
An honest and principled man.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:04:53pm |
re: #719 Walter L. Newton
Yes, I don't like him. I don't want him to fail, but so far he's done nothing I can be proud of. And I am not going to support him on issues that I don't agree with. I guess that makes me what?
Head screwed on right, as my dad would say.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:05:51pm |
re: #717 cliffster
Has a bill been passed to sign or veto?
And again, its the same difference as Racer X vs. Me. Do you pass a suboptimal bill thats a substantial improvement, or be absolutist and say 'I'd rather have no improvement than some improvement with problems'?
re: #719 Walter L. Newton
Except of course for your need to dump everything on Obama's lap. You're simply not taking a smart position, or one that shows understanding of how our political system actually works. Instead, you're scapegoating.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:06:34pm |
re: #718 Racer X
Not quite. Health care legislation has clearly been in the works for a long time. The original one was Harry and Nancy's wet dream come true. They had to have been working on it for years.
Decades. This has been in the works since at least the Clinton years and probably before.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:06:35pm |
re: #725 windsagio
I should add, dude's not perfect by any means. He's also not DIRECTLY AND TOTALLY AT FAULT FOR THE FAILURES OF THE HEALTHCARE BILL. People give him too much credit, by far.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:06:53pm |
re: #705 albusteve
bullshit...what choice did Pelosi give the GOP?...that's just ridiculous
Concur. Pelosi has not even given the GOP the option to contribute. She's so partisan and nasty that the prospect of voting for her as speaker helped drive a Dem from Alabama to switch to the GOP. The sooner she's out of the Speaker's chair the better.
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:08:31pm |
re: #726 Killgore Trout
Decades. This has been in the works since at least the Clinton years and probably before.
True. Much of this was started by Hillary - when she was the 'health czar' was it?
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:09:14pm |
re: #719 Walter L. Newton
Yes, I don't like him. I don't want him to fail, but so far he's done nothing I can be proud of. And I am not going to support him on issues that I don't agree with. I guess that makes me what?
my political ally
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:09:44pm |
re: #727 windsagio
I should add, dude's not perfect by any means. He's also not DIRECTLY AND TOTALLY AT FAULT FOR THE FAILURES OF THE HEALTHCARE BILL. People give him too much credit, by far.
He's the head of the Democratic party. When the Dems foul up, I'm going to blame him.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:09:58pm |
re: #725 windsagio
Has a bill been passed to sign or veto?
And again, its the same difference as Racer X vs. Me. Do you pass a suboptimal bill thats a substantial improvement, or be absolutist and say 'I'd rather have no improvement than some improvement with problems'?
The bill is riddled with crap just to get it through. It's a caricature of everything that is wrong with Congress. So do you think that Obama, having run on "doing away with business as usual", should approve the bill?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:10:01pm |
re: #725 windsagio
re: #719 Walter L. Newton
Except of course for your need to dump everything on Obama's lap. You're simply not taking a smart position, or one that shows understanding of how our political system actually works. Instead, you're scapegoating.
No... he carried the banner... he was out their on the front lines... he made the promises... the buck stops where?
Obama's health care town hall in Grand Junction, Col. Transcript.
It's amazing how the left is trying to now distance themselves from their own bill, supported by the President, a bill totally devised by the left without ANY INPUT from the right.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:12:44pm |
re: #728 Dark_Falcon
She's so partisan and nasty that the prospect of voting for her as speaker helped drive a Dem from Alabama to switch to the GOP.
And here's what the GOP used to say about their shiny new convert:
Parker Griffith is already being rejected by the all-new tea party GOP. They hate his guts at Redstate and Hot Air.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:13:09pm |
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
No... he carried the banner... he was out their on the front lines... he made the promises... the buck stops where?
Obama's health care town hall in Grand Junction, Col. Transcript.
It's amazing how the left is trying to now distance themselves from their own bill, supported by the President, a bill totally devised by the left without ANY INPUT from the right.
this is BOs signature bill...he wants it all for himself and that's what he's getting....passing this piece of shit is more important than it's quality, or if it will even work...they will fudge the fact later with regard to it's cost or success
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:13:13pm |
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
No... he carried the banner... he was out their on the front lines... he made the promises... the buck stops where?
Obama's health care town hall in Grand Junction, Col. Transcript.
It's amazing how the left is trying to now distance themselves from their own bill, supported by the President, a bill totally devised by the left without ANY INPUT from the right.
The Democrats, with their marjorities in both sides of Congress, have pointedly excluded Republicans from any participation. I don't see how any sane person could say any of it has anything to do with the GOP.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:13:40pm |
re: #725 windsagio
Except of course for your need to dump everything on Obama's lap. You're simply not taking a smart position, or one that shows understanding of how our political system actually works. Instead, you're scapegoating.
And actually, an easy way to put this all to bed is to ask you a simple question... is Obama going to sign this bill?
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:15:03pm |
re: #725 windsagio
Has a bill been passed to sign or veto?
And again, its the same difference as Racer X vs. Me. Do you pass a suboptimal bill thats a substantial improvement, or be absolutist and say 'I'd rather have no improvement than some improvement with problems'?
re: #719 Walter L. Newton
Except of course for your need to dump everything on Obama's lap. You're simply not taking a smart position, or one that shows understanding of how our political system actually works. Instead, you're scapegoating.
then enlighten us as to how things work
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:15:15pm |
re: #731 Dark_Falcon
Yeah! I mean, why give blame where blame is due?
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
ok this 'no input' thing is starting to annoy me. Its retarded (and I know about retards!) If you can get through it, read the link to brin I have above. Voting lockstep no at everything is certainly having an effect... Especially with the crazy rules in the senate.
I'll go to what I said before:
Obama seems to have had his ass kicked by reality
The 'party discipline' of the republicans means that the especially corrupt democrats have even more leverage to squeeze any crap they want into the bill.
And even then, it still comes back to the same point, which none of you guys seem able to address.
Its better to pass a bill that has serious problems but begins to solve the problem than to pass nothing at all.
Especially since, if you're excoriating him now before the thing is even given to him, I can't imagine what the result would be if they failed to pass anything.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:16:19pm |
re: #725 windsagio
Has a bill been passed to sign or veto?
I don't think anyone has seen the bill yet. Harry Reid is going to pull it out right before they vote on it. Complete despicable behavior by our government leaders.
Do you pass a suboptimal bill thats a substantial improvement, or be absolutist and say 'I'd rather have no improvement than some improvement with problems'?
Do the 'improvements' in the bill outweigh the bad parts? We won't know until the bill is released and read. Voting for the bill just because we have to do something is foolish.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:16:28pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:17:07pm |
re: #734 Charles
WOW! That's some kinda "not feeling the love"!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:17:26pm |
re: #734 Charles
Parker Griffith is already being rejected by the all-new tea party GOP. They hate his guts at Redstate and Hot Air.
Those two blogs are being as foolish as ever. They ought to embrace Griffith, no matter what they actually think. Treating defectors badly means that you will have no more defectors coming your way. Hopefully, the party organization acts more wisely than the asshattery that the right-wing blogs have begun.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:18:28pm |
re: #739 windsagio
Yeah! I mean, why give blame where blame is due?
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
ok this 'no input' thing is starting to annoy me. Its retarded (and I know about retards!) If you can get through it, read the link to brin I have above. Voting lockstep no at everything is certainly having an effect... Especially with the crazy rules in the senate.
I'll go to what I said before:
The 'party discipline' of the republicans means that the especially corrupt democrats have even more leverage to squeeze any crap they want into the bill.
And even then, it still comes back to the same point, which none of you guys seem able to address.
Its better to pass a bill that has serious problems but begins to solve the problem than to pass nothing at all.
Especially since, if you're excoriating him now before the thing is even given to him, I can't imagine what the result would be if they failed to pass anything.
sorry, this whole line of tripe is just laughable...why pass a seriously flawed bill?...what's the rush?, maybe because the donks just can't swallow the fact the entire thing should be scrapped?...talk about legislating yourself into a corner, these astute donks of yours
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:19:00pm |
re: #739 windsagio
Yeah! I mean, why give blame where blame is due?
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
ok this 'no input' thing is starting to annoy me. Its retarded (and I know about retards!) If you can get through it, read the link to brin I have above. Voting lockstep no at everything is certainly having an effect... Especially with the crazy rules in the senate.
I'll go to what I said before:
The 'party discipline' of the republicans means that the especially corrupt democrats have even more leverage to squeeze any crap they want into the bill.
And even then, it still comes back to the same point, which none of you guys seem able to address.
Its better to pass a bill that has serious problems but begins to solve the problem than to pass nothing at all.
Especially since, if you're excoriating him now before the thing is even given to him, I can't imagine what the result would be if they failed to pass anything.
Yep, nice language "retarded."
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:19:10pm |
Jesus image appears on banana peel
Alert Kirk Cameron.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:20:07pm |
re: #740 NJDhockeyfan
(sidenote: Its hard work and timeconsuming, when you're on the opposite side of 8 people at once, forgive my spammy replies, I have to break them up somewhat for readability)
From what I understand of the bill right now, at this point they do. A discussion on that. Specifically I want to point out the chart on the right. To me the chart he has there is right on.
If folks think the current bill is worse thats up to them. I think its better, and given that I hope it gets passed.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:21:30pm |
re: #747 windsagio
(sidenote: Its hard work and timeconsuming, when you're on the opposite side of 8 people at once, forgive my spammy replies, I have to break them up somewhat for readability)
From what I understand of the bill right now, at this point they do. A discussion on that. Specifically I want to point out the chart on the right. To me the chart he has there is right on.
If folks think the current bill is worse thats up to them. I think its better, and given that I hope it gets passed.
Don't worry, your side won! Have fun!
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:22:03pm |
re: #744 albusteve
because our system continues to decay the longer we do nothing. Also, no first bill is going to be very good. You're terribly mistaken if you think a delay will help much... unless we delay until the point the system collapses. And surely thats not a viable option?
re: #745 Walter L. Newton
I can't effectively argue against his point, better call him out on civility!
fixt.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:23:20pm |
re: #749 windsagio
because our system continues to decay the longer we do nothing. Also, no first bill is going to be very good. You're terribly mistaken if you think a delay will help much... unless we delay until the point the system collapses. And surely thats not a viable option?
re: #745 Walter L. Newton
fixt.
you're hysterical...the system won't collapse if this bill fails
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:23:53pm |
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:24:05pm |
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:24:48pm |
re: #749 windsagio
Not cool to change an entire post and attribute it to another.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:24:53pm |
re: #739 windsagio
Its better to pass a bill that has serious problems but begins to solve the problem than to pass nothing at all.
Complete bullshit. This is not a small insignificant bill, this is 1/6 of our economy. Once the 'serious problems' in the bill are passed and set in motion by the government, you can't stop it. They shouldn't push this through just to give Obama a victory before his SOTU speech. They should make sure it's right before they pass it.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:25:44pm |
Weezer time...good lawd I've heard enough about the miracle of this shitty bill...
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:26:32pm |
re: #748 Walter L. Newton
well, not yet. Its silly to think of this in 'win/loss' terms. Its not football.
We've taken a few steps in the right direction, that is true... and inspires hope!
re: #751 cliffster
I'm enjoying myself. I also am done packing and have an hour until I go to work, so I have time to kill :) Don't worry tho', I'm going straight from work tonight to see my family in Seattle, so you won't have me in your hair 'till after Christmas :)
re: #754 Racer X
Heh, 'attributing' is a bit strong. I got the gist of it tho'!
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Racer X Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:27:04pm |
re: #755 NJDhockeyfan
Its better to pass a bill that has serious problems but begins to solve the problem than to pass nothing at all.
Complete bullshit. This is not a small insignificant bill, this is 1/6 of our economy. Once the 'serious problems' in the bill are passed and set in motion by the government, you can't stop it. They shouldn't push this through just to give Obama a victory before his SOTU speech. They should make sure it's right before they pass it.
Good point.
People forget the fricking COST of this bill.
Trillions and Trillions of dollars.
Lets get it right.
Or is just about politics again? And making one man look like he is actually accomplishing something? Anything?
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:28:21pm |
re: #756 albusteve
BTW Abusteve, I clocked on late why you found my mp3 the other night rude, my apologies as nothing personal intended, it was just an mp3 match to the word “beat” from my library as I do.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:30:09pm |
re: #739 windsagio
[snip]
Its better to pass a bill that has serious problems but begins to solve the problem than to pass nothing at all.
[snip]
As you said above... You're simply not taking a smart position, or one that shows understanding of how our political system actually works.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:31:37pm |
re: #759 Bagua
BTW Abusteve, I clocked on late why you found my mp3 the other night rude, my apologies as nothing personal intended, it was just an mp3 match to the word “beat” from my library as I do.
don't take me too serious....I always talk like that
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:32:06pm |
re: #758 Racer X
Good point.
People forget the fricking COST of this bill.
Trillions and Trillions of dollars.
Lets get it right.
Or is just about politics again? And making one man look like he is actually accomplishing something? Anything?
This isn't Obama's. Your statement doesn't make any sense.
//
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:32:36pm |
re: #760 Walter L. Newton
As you said above... You're simply not taking a smart position, or one that shows understanding of how our political system actually works.
No, it is a very smart position, I'm reposting it here.
Exploit the crisis even if you have to to create it first.
This is the US version of the “Monnet method” relying on engrenage and latterly the “beneficial crisis” to drive the agenda forward.
In their case, the agenda was the EU project of destroying nationalism by weakening national government . In the US the objectives are different, but both involve more central government.
In English Engrenage is gearing. Here is an example how it works:
First of all, it prevents member states implementing their own controls in a vital policy area (such as immigration), and then starts to regulate in these areas itself. The regulation is invariably incomplete and functions poorly, requiring more legislation. It is then not long before there are demands for additional laws, whence the EU commission happily obliges with proposals – grandly declaring that the member states are calling for "more Europe".
In the US case, the member states are the individual states, and the EU is the federal government. Thus the horrible failure of Masscare becomes Obamacare, extending the flawed program nation wide, forcing it on all states who will no longer be control their own public health care programs.
As this inevitably leads to problems, we will all be willing to see the programs ramped up in increments, as after all it needs to be "fixed". As the local states no longer control these programs by law, there is only the federal government to look to for the solution which will always involve more tax, more bureaucracy, more regulation.
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:33:27pm |
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:35:16pm |
re: #752 Bagua
Your spin on the method is interesting I admit. Thanks for the useful word tho'!
re: #758 Racer X
or maybe about making someone (or a party) seem like they're doing nothing. It works both ways!
And seriously, I can't believe that you're saying we have to wait for a perfect bill in order to pass it. Has governance ever worked that way? I'm starting to suspect (ok thats a lie; I've long suspected) that some of the 'wait wait' drumbeat is a hope that 'wait' becomes 'nothing happens at all'.
re: #760 Walter L. Newton
so.... the absolutist is saying the person who thinks that politics is a series of compromises and small steps 'doesn't understand'. Thats pretty great ;)
PS Bagua, like I said above. If this were wikipedia, that wouldn't be exactly described as an 'NPOV' description of the process/method. There'd be a freakin' million things that would get people on your case about that in a place where neutrality was valued ;)
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:37:04pm |
re: #765 windsagio
Your spin on the method is interesting I admit. Thanks for the useful word tho'!
re: #758 Racer X
or maybe about making someone (or a party) seem like they're doing nothing. It works both ways!
And seriously, I can't believe that you're saying we have to wait for a perfect bill in order to pass it. Has governance ever worked that way? I'm starting to suspect (ok thats a lie; I've long suspected) that some of the 'wait wait' drumbeat is a hope that 'wait' becomes 'nothing happens at all'.
re: #760 Walter L. Newton
so... the absolutist is saying the person who thinks that politics is a series of compromises and small steps 'doesn't understand'. Thats pretty great ;)
PS Bagua, like I said above. If this were wikipedia, that wouldn't be exactly described as an 'NPOV' description of the process/method. There'd be a freakin' million things that would get people on your case about that in a place where neutrality was valued ;)
you get points for tenacity...but that's all
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:37:54pm |
re: #763 Bagua
In the US case, the member states are the individual states, and the EU is the federal government. Thus the horrible failure of Masscare becomes Obamacare, extending the flawed program nation wide, forcing it on all states who will no longer be control their own public health care programs.
As this inevitably leads to problems, we will all be willing to see the programs ramped up in increments, as after all it needs to be "fixed". As the local states no longer control these programs by law, there is only the federal government to look to for the solution which will always involve more tax, more bureaucracy, more regulation.
Call it "Cloward-Piven Lite". Its still about manufacturing and using crises, but without violence.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:39:11pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:41:14pm |
re: #765 windsagio
Now I get it... I'm sorry, you've been trying to explain it to me for 20-30 comments and I just never imagined that you were actually saying what I just heard.
But now I get it. The left passed a half-assed bill designed to get their foot into the door of total control over the health care of all americans. This is only the start, to fool americans into thinking that this is simply for everyone's own good, but later, they are really deceiving us, and before you know it, we'll have all sorts of things.
(Smack palm on head)
This is just a deception, now I get it.
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:41:16pm |
re: #765 windsagio
Windsagio, I acknowledge that I am describing the process with the bias of someone who opposes success of this method, those who favour the result of more and bigger government would describe the same process in positive terms.
Also, I don't aim for wikipedia neutrality, I express my opinions and viewpoints here, thus we can discuss.
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:41:22pm |
and... I should probably go. I should thank you guys. As much as I find your position to be misguided groupthink, You certainly did make the evening interesting for me, and I really appreciate that :)
Debate can certainly be fun, and even if I couldn't get through, thats not exactly unusual for internet discussion, and I had a ball doing it.
But, I've gotta go to work.
You all have a merry Christmas!
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windsagio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:42:23pm |
re: #770 Bagua
(last one, since it was simultaneous with my 'laters')
I'd love to discuss this, but no time now. I think the method is valid when facing a real crisis and unreasonable opposition :)
peace!
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albusteve Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:42:46pm |
re: #771 windsagio
and... I should probably go. I should thank you guys. As much as I find your position to be misguided groupthink, You certainly did make the evening interesting for me, and I really appreciate that :)
Debate can certainly be fun, and even if I couldn't get through, thats not exactly unusual for internet discussion, and I had a ball doing it.
But, I've gotta go to work.
You all have a merry Christmas!
misguided group think?....considering the source that's a good joke
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:43:20pm |
re: #771 windsagio
and... I should probably go. I should thank you guys. As much as I find your position to be misguided groupthink, You certainly did make the evening interesting for me, and I really appreciate that :)
Debate can certainly be fun, and even if I couldn't get through, thats not exactly unusual for internet discussion, and I had a ball doing it.
But, I've gotta go to work.
You all have a merry Christmas!
Groupthink... ha... and you have been expounding on some sort of special insight that only you have... come on!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:43:54pm |
re: #768 windsagio
well I suppose I should thank you for something, its more than I expected from you guys really.
re: #767 Dark_Falcon
do you believe then, that the health care situation isn't a crisis?
Oh, there is indeed a crisis, but this bill is not meant to address it. It's purpose is to get the snout of the Big Government Camel under the tent.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:46:35pm |
re: #775 Dark_Falcon
Oh, there is indeed a crisis, but this bill is not meant to address it. It's purpose is to get the snout of the Big Government Camel under the tent.
Snout, hell....the whole damn camel is going under the tent then it's going to shit on everything in the tent.
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:46:50pm |
re: #769 Walter L. Newton
You are clocking on to the Monet method by which the EU is progressing and supplanting former nation states. It is a gradual process of creating flawed programs, and then proposing more and more regulations to fix those programs.
Those like windsagio who see central government control as a win, welcome this incremental process. They know they will eventually get all that they want in small or big steps.
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Vambo Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:49:07pm |
re: #775 Dark_Falcon
it's purpose is to ensure the survival of the for-profit health industry, which is sucking the country dry.
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cliffster Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:49:57pm |
re: #777 Bagua
Legislation is the problem to begin with, but is being sold as the solution to the very problems it caused. See "Financial Crisis" for more instances of this.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:50:45pm |
re: #777 Bagua
You are clocking on to the Monet method by which the EU is progressing and supplanting former nation states. It is a gradual process of creating flawed programs, and then proposing more and more regulations to fix those programs.
Those like windsagio who see central government control as a win, welcome this incremental process. They know they will eventually get all that they want in small or big steps.
Does this work for science crisis too?
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Bagua Tue, Dec 22, 2009 8:58:34pm |
re: #780 Walter L. Newton
Does this work for science crisis too?
Any crisis real or imagined.
Any crisis can be co-opted with this strategy. As long as it can include increasing bureaucratic oversight and funding, and serves to strengthen the government.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:05:33pm |
re: #771 windsagio
and... I should probably go. I should thank you guys. As much as I find your position to be misguided groupthink, You certainly did make the evening interesting for me, and I really appreciate that :)
Debate can certainly be fun, and even if I couldn't get through, thats not exactly unusual for internet discussion, and I had a ball doing it.
But, I've gotta go to work.
You all have a merry Christmas!
Nice.
"misguided groupthink".
How very special.
///!///!
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Spricio Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:10:44pm |
is it just me or is she completly annoying that she doesn't spell out words and instead uses 4 or R.....makes her look like a complete moron
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:26:32pm |
re: #783 Spricio
is it just me or is she completly annoying that she doesn't spell out words and instead uses 4 or R...makes her look like a complete moron
Well, it's just you since the character limit for a twitter message is 144 characters... everyone uses a sort of shorthand.
Try again?
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jordash1212 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:17:26am |
Any political opinions that can be "tweeted" are probably not worth sharing.
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Western Mind Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:38:24am |
"As for health plans offered by employers, "no health-insurance policies could be issued (other than grandfathered plans) that don't meet the actuarial standards set for these plans" sold in the exchanges. The government will "define the essential health benefits" that all plans must eventually offer, not only those sold in the exchanges but also plans offered by employers."
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
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Blue Collar Todd Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:14:08pm |
Seems that a panel that decides how resources are distributed will decide whose life is worthy of life. What about Senator DeMint's concern that such a provision cannot be removed?
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