President Obama: The YouTube Interview
I expected a lot of silliness and inconsequential questions, but President Obama’s YouTube interview actually covers some substantive issues in interesting ways.
I expected a lot of silliness and inconsequential questions, but President Obama’s YouTube interview actually covers some substantive issues in interesting ways.
1 | webevintage Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:06:27pm |
So it was not full of “DUDE,when will you legalize the weed” questions?
Off to watch.
I have to say that whenever I see the President in a Q&A session I’m even more impressed with the breadth & depth of his knowledge on an issue.
2 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:06:51pm |
Okay. I’ll watch. But, out of time tonight.
3 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:10:35pm |
Response to the last thread:
So bloggers! Get your applications in soon, so you too can share the convention with creationists, militias, and the good ol’ John Birch Society! Sounds like a party, doesn’t it?
Yes, it does. A good ol’ Merkin third party.
There is a guy on here who constantly promotes the modern Whig party. Thing is, historically the Whigs were a major party, not a bunch of third-place also-rans.
The accurate historical name for the teabaggers would be “Know Nothings”.
An awful lot of our fellow enfranchised citizens are quite overweeningly proud of knowing dick about squat about fuck-all.
They could probably increase their following by a factor of ten if they would just adopt that name.
4 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:11:13pm |
So apparently the President bowed to the Mayor of Tampa last week.
I think I’d like to meet him now, just to see if, well, you know.
6 | simoom Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:12:41pm |
Thanks, I just started watching.
I noticed another 75,000 White House visits where added to the searchable vistor records at whitehouse.gov:
whitehouse.gov
It would be enormously amusing to see what sort of queries folks are running on it. The next outrage over a mistaken name match is long overdue :P.
7 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:13:57pm |
re: #6 simoom
If some guy named Fat Bastard Vegetarian signed in? It wasn’t me. Ain’t been NEAR there…
8 | jamesfirecat Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:14:36pm |
re: #1 webevintage
So it was not full of “DUDE,when will you legalize the weed” questions?
Off to watch.I have to say that whenever I see the President in a Q&A session I’m even more impressed with the breadth & depth of his knowledge on an issue.
Maybe it’s because no one can think he’s using a teleprompter when he does this?
9 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:14:47pm |
re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If some guy named Fat Bastard Vegetarian signed in? It wasn’t me. Ain’t been NEAR there…
Hmmmm, crash a couple of parties, have you???
:)
10 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:15:17pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
So apparently the President bowed to the Mayor of Tampa last week.
I think I’d like to meet him now, just to see if, well, you know.
That seriously made me LOL!
11 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:15:36pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
So apparently the President bowed to the Mayor of Tampa last week.
I think I’d like to meet him now, just to see if, well, you know.
You know, you can argue about the Emperor of Japan. But there is nothing improper about Obama bowing to an American lady whom he meets socially.
I don’t think he’s actually bowing, though.
12 | jamesfirecat Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:16:22pm |
re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist
You know, you can argue about the Emperor of Japan. But there is nothing improper about Obama bowing to an American lady whom he meets socially.
I don’t think he’s actually bowing, though.
He thinks his shoes are untied BA-BAM!
13 | Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:16:55pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
So apparently the President bowed to the Mayor of Tampa last week.
I think I’d like to meet him now, just to see if, well, you know.
I was just thinking, “Hey, we haven’t had a silly Bowgate incident lately, have we?”
14 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:17:04pm |
I will admit… I dislike the President sooo much less than I did before he was elected. Tomorrow? I’ll watch…
G’night knuckleheads…
15 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:17:28pm |
re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist
You know, you can argue about the Emperor of Japan. But there is nothing improper about Obama bowing to an American lady whom he meets socially.
I don’t think he’s actually bowing, though.
Sigh, If I’m ever Pres., with my height, it’d look like I’m bowing to everyone I shake hands with…
The wingnuts would have a field day!
:)
16 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:17:30pm |
re: #12 jamesfirecat
He thinks his shoes are untied BA-BAM!
Unbelievable he would stoop to that level. The US president does NOT tie his own shoelaces.
17 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:18:58pm |
There’s no telling where the next interview will surface, but what seems clear is that the President is convinced of one thing: if he could only explain his way to us more succinctly, if we could only understand…. we would surely quit obstructing. He’s going to have to reframe his message, again…. not change it.
His plans and ideas are not being rejected, as reflected in the polls and recent elections, because that’s just …… not possible. There must be something lacking in the way they are being communicated. So he’ll keep trying, until we get it.
No sarc marks.
18 | jamesfirecat Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:19:48pm |
re: #17 tradewind
There’s no telling where the next interview will surface, but what seems clear is that the President is convinced of one thing: if he could only explain his way to us more succinctly, if we could only understand… we would surely quit obstructing. He’s going to have to reframe his message, again… not change it.
His plans and ideas are not being rejected, as reflected in the polls and recent elections, because that’s just … not possible. There must be something lacking in the way they are being communicated. So he’ll keep trying, until we get it.
No sarc marks.
Given how confused the American people about certain issues maybe that’s not such a bad thing.
19 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:20:21pm |
re: #15 Varek Raith
Sigh, If I’m ever Pres., with my height, it’d look like I’m bowing to everyone I shake hands with…
The wingnuts would have a field day!
:)
And you’re actually shorter than me. I’m 6’4” and I often lower my head, simply to be able to look shorter people in the eyes. I think the “Tampa Bow” is a nontroversy.
20 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:20:26pm |
re: #13 Charles
I was just thinking, “Hey, we haven’t had a silly Bowgate incident lately, have we?”
Sometimes people get a little too serious around here, but you can usually count on me for a little harmless jocularity.
Heh.
21 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:20:37pm |
re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe not improper, and IMO, certainly not worth a news mention.
But a little funky, you gotta admit.//
23 | jamesfirecat Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:22:24pm |
re: #22 tradewind
Cheese n rice.
That’s an expression I’ve never heard before, does it mean “apples and oranges”?
24 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:22:26pm |
re: #20 rwmofo
Sometimes people get a little too serious around here, but you can usually count on me for a little harmless jocularity.
Heh.
Hey rwmofo - come here and pull my finger
25 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:22:55pm |
re: #21 tradewind
Maybe not improper, and IMO, certainly not worth a news mention.
But a little funky, you gotta admit.//
I have fewer issues with the mayor of Tampa than with Hirohito’s son, and that’s all I’m gonna say on the matter.
26 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:25:07pm |
re: #24 cliffster
Hey rwmofo - come here and pull my finger
I am a lonely female in a house of 4 males. I find myself amused at the oddest/grossest things.
27 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:25:46pm |
re: #24 cliffster
Hey rwmofo - come here and pull my finger
Heh. We owe that to our children don’t we?
28 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:26:41pm |
why does BO bow all the time?…it’s weird…maybe I don’t understand the coolness of it
30 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:27:18pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
It’s in serious danger of extinction. That’d be a travesty.
31 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:27:19pm |
re: #23 jamesfirecat
Never mind. It’s just another way of expressing exasperation, and not a very good one. Disregard.
You may write the word ’ confused’, but you appear to really mean ’ flat-assed wrong ‘. No need to sugarcoat.
32 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:28:01pm |
re: #19 Dark_Falcon
And you’re actually shorter than me. I’m 6’4” and I often lower my head, simply to be able to look shorter people in the eyes. I think the “Tampa Bow” is a nontroversy.
Do you have a car?
33 | jamesfirecat Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:28:31pm |
re: #31 tradewind
Never mind. It’s just another way of expressing exasperation, and not a very good one. Disregard.
You may write the word ’ confused’, but you appear to really mean ’ flat-assed wrong ‘. No need to sugarcoat.
I used confused because I’m trying to be charitable to the American people, doubly so when they have misinformation being directed at them from both the left and the right….
34 | webevintage Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:30:49pm |
re: #28 albusteve
why does BO bow all the time?…it’s weird…maybe I don’t understand the coolness of it
It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that….
My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.
35 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:31:49pm |
re: #32 Varek Raith
Do you have a car?
No. Like Mandy’s Kid I have ADHD. It was almost impossible for me to focus well enough to safely drive a car when I was younger, so I stopped taking Driver Ed before I finished. Thus I’ve never had a Driver’s License.
36 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:32:27pm |
re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist
You know, you can argue about the Emperor of Japan. But there is nothing improper about Obama bowing to an American lady whom he meets socially.
I don’t think he’s actually bowing, though.
Nope. Not a bow. Check out the video here.
37 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:32:46pm |
re: #29 MandyManners
Somehow I think they’re feeling a little let down.//
At least, I hope they are.
38 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:12pm |
Lawmakers in 34 states now have filed or proposed amendments to their state constitutions or statutes rejecting health insurance mandates, according to the American Legislative Exchange Council,
no small thing
from the AP
39 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:14pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
Get out. I don’t have one either. I tried to drive twice, crashed both times— bad— and decided to stop before I killed anyone.
40 | Stanley Sea Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:28pm |
re: #34 webevintage
It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.
Fricken mystery is solved. Thank you web!
41 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:33pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
No. Like Mandy’s Kid I have ADHD. It was almost impossible for me to focus well enough to safely drive a car when I was younger, so I stopped taking Driver Ed before I finished. Thus I’ve never had a Driver’s License.
I don’t have a license, either. I always felt way too awkward driving that I thought I was a hazard on the road. Bus and a bicycle do just fine for me.
:)
42 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:51pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
No. Like Mandy’s Kid I have ADHD. It was almost impossible for me to focus well enough to safely drive a car when I was younger, so I stopped taking Driver Ed before I finished. Thus I’ve never had a Driver’s License.
Really? Shit, the things you learn about people. You can pull that off in the windy city though.
43 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:34:06pm |
re: #34 webevintage
It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.
no, it’s bowing…nice try tho with the husband thing
44 | jaunte Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:34:44pm |
re: #34 webevintage
I don’t know; he has a good sense of humor, I think he’s just messing with people.
45 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:11pm |
re: #43 albusteve
no, it’s bowing…nice try tho with the husband thing
Watch the video.
That. Was. Not. A. Bow.
46 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:16pm |
re: #36 Gus 802
Nice one, Gus. Another ballooning nontroversy punctured.
47 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:52pm |
48 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:55pm |
re: #46 Obdicut
Nice one, Gus. Another ballooning nontroversy punctured.
I was trying to put a word to what he was doing. Is that like shucking or something?
49 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:59pm |
re: #43 albusteve
no, it’s bowing…nice try tho with the husband thing
Sure. Obama the narcissist also obsessively bows to people he meets. We’ll go with that.
51 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:36:03pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
No. Like Mandy’s Kid I have ADHD. It was almost impossible for me to focus well enough to safely drive a car when I was younger, so I stopped taking Driver Ed before I finished. Thus I’ve never had a Driver’s License.
That’s very interesting! Both my husband and I have been diagnosed with ADD. We do drive but as little as possible. However, I would not advise two ADD getting married though ;-)
52 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:36:28pm |
re: #42 cliffster
Really? Shit, the things you learn about people. You can pull that off in the windy city though.
True. I actually made sure that my home was near the bus lines. My work is also on a bus line. It does mean I tend to eat at the same places for lunch over and over when I’m at work. Still, it does work and it’s better than doing something I’m not really comfortable with.
53 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:36:34pm |
re: #48 Gus 802
I was trying to put a word to what he was doing. Is that like shucking or something?
It’s sort of a dip. I’m not sure there’s a real word for it.
54 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:37:23pm |
re: #48 Gus 802
Heh. Call it shucklen. Polite shucklen.
55 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:37:44pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s sort of a dip. I’m not sure there’s a real word for it.
Yeah. That would be another word for it. Looks like they caught the photo right at the bottom of the dip which makes him look like he’s bowing.
56 | blueraven Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:37:45pm |
re: #17 tradewind
There’s no telling where the next interview will surface, but what seems clear is that the President is convinced of one thing: if he could only explain his way to us more succinctly, if we could only understand… we would surely quit obstructing. He’s going to have to reframe his message, again… not change it.
His plans and ideas are not being rejected, as reflected in the polls and recent elections, because that’s just … not possible. There must be something lacking in the way they are being communicated. So he’ll keep trying, until we get it.
No sarc marks.
It is not that the President isn’t framing his message correctly, it is that the republican party, the tea bag party, fox news, right wing talk radio and blog sites are distorting it.
57 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:07pm |
Back from California to the cold, cold Michigan. :(
58 | Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:21pm |
re: #45 Gus 802
Watch the video.
[Video]That. Was. Not. A. Bow.
Lol! Doctored footage! He’s the most arrogant weak cowardly oppressive tyrant ever! New World Order! Conspiracy!
/Buy gold!
59 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:30pm |
re: #34 webevintage
Not to nitpick, but you don’t stare at the ground while doing that…. you still look at the person you are greeting.
Still, it hardly rates a mention on the obamination meter. Must have been a slow news day.
60 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:40pm |
re: #55 Gus 802
Yeah. That would be another word for it. Looks like they caught the photo right at the bottom of the dip which makes him look like he’s bowing.
It makes more sense from this angle. In the picture I saw, he seemed to be bowing to the woman one over, but she wasn’t making eye contact with him. Here you can see he’s actually moved on.
61 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:41pm |
re: #34 webevintage
It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.
Agreed. I was really just having a little fun, plus I hadn’t seen the picture until a few minutes ago. I’m above taking cheap shots at the President. If I criticize him it will be on policy differences. Getting personal is chicken-shit. We saw that way too much during the last administration.
62 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:43pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
Lol! Doctored footage! He’s the most arrogant weak cowardly oppressive tyrant ever! New World Order! Conspiracy!
/Buy gold!
Oligarhy!
/
63 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:54pm |
re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure. Obama the narcissist also obsessively bows to people he meets. We’ll go with that.
it’s worse…it’s a subconscious beg for forgiveness
64 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:10pm |
65 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:31pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s sort of a dip. I’m not sure there’s a real word for it.
a half curtsy?
66 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:40pm |
67 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:48pm |
re: #36 Gus 802
Nope. Not a bow. Check out the video here.
[Video]
Perfect, thanks, and I expected something as innocent as that.
68 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:54pm |
69 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:05pm |
re: #63 albusteve
it’s worse…it’s a subconscious beg for forgiveness
And we thought Nixon was messed up…
70 | Silvergirl Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:17pm |
Three non-drivers in the same thread? That’s surprising.
71 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:30pm |
72 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:45pm |
73 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:48pm |
re: #34 webevintage
It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.
Hell yeah.
There was this other president, the one with the beard and that little problem with Jefferson Davis, who did that too.
74 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:55pm |
re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist
It makes more sense from this angle. In the picture I saw, he seemed to be bowing to the woman one over, but she wasn’t making eye contact with him. Here you can see he’s actually moved on.
he gets confused who he’s bowing to…needs some more practice
75 | Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:59pm |
Attn: bowgate idiots
Don’t you ever get tired of falling for the phony outrages?
76 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:41:02pm |
re: #56 blueraven
It is not that the President isn’t framing his message correctly, it is that the republican party, the tea bag party, fox news, right wing talk radio and blog sites are distorting it.
Fox News! Tea Party! Right wing racists! Oh no!
77 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:41:11pm |
re: #70 Silvergirl
Three non-drivers in the same thread? That’s surprising.
Just one more thing I don’t gots to pays nothings fors!
XD
78 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:41:36pm |
re: #38 albusteve
Lawmakers in 34 states now have filed or proposed amendments to their state constitutions or statutes rejecting health insurance mandates, according to the American Legislative Exchange Council,
no small thing
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
from the AP
States ensuring their rights?
The horror, the horror…
Hey wait. I thought we all really wanted a monstrously large new entitlement (paid for by only 55% of wage earners) and we just don’t understand yet how good it will be for us…
Right?
79 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:03pm |
re: #46 Obdicut
Nice one, Gus. Another ballooning nontroversy punctured.
Any bets on the other blogs correcting the story ?
80 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:06pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
Attn: bowgate idiots
Don’t you ever get tired of falling for the phony outrages?
Click-thru advertisements, my friend. Traffic.
81 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:22pm |
re: #56 blueraven
Well there you go.
Poor POTUS. He can’t catch a break.
BTW, he is convinced of exactly what you wrote, which is not going to help move things along.
82 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:22pm |
re: #66 Varek Raith
You an empath?
;)
dunno, but this perpetual 45 degree bend has been hard on my back…I was a bad boy I think
83 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:27pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
You’ll also see Charlie Crist in that picture. What political motivation could he possibly have for making a second appearance with Obama?
After the heat he took for appearing with Obama the first time, he’s been on the florida gop’s shit list. And now he’s facing a strong primary challenge from the right. Just seems to be giving his critics more ammo.
84 | webevintage Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:49pm |
85 | Silvergirl Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:58pm |
re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist
Four.
Wow. Even more impressive. I can’t add to your numbers, but if you ever need a ride somewhere, I have a license. Or we could all go biking.
86 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:43:05pm |
re: #79 avanti
Any bets on the other blogs correcting the story ?
None. They’re going to run with the bow controversy!!1111!11
87 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:43:41pm |
re: #51 generalsparky
WE could have an ADD convention here it sounds like…I’m ADD too, but more the absent minded professor/inattentive type.
89 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:44:08pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
Attn: bowgate idiots
Don’t you ever get tired of falling for the phony outrages?
Nope. They’re addicted to rage. If they had to drop the hate, they’d have to actually try to address some of America’s problems, doing which is much more complicated and less emotionally satisfying than screaming about nontroversies. Doing so would be a mark of maturity, but neither wingnuts nor moonbats are noted for that.
90 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:44:21pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
Attn: bowgate idiots
Don’t you ever get tired of falling for the phony outrages?
not when it’s this serious…I think BO needs bowtherapy…just a guess
91 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:44:43pm |
re: #83 palomino
You’ll also see Charlie Crist in that picture. What political motivation could he possibly have for making a second appearance with Obama?
After the heat he took for appearing with Obama the first time, he’s been on the florida gop’s shit list. And now he’s facing a strong primary challenge from the right. Just seems to be giving his critics more ammo.
I though that looked like Crist. Yeah, the silly season could go a little wackier than usual during that primary.
92 | Stanley Sea Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:44:51pm |
re: #86 Gus 802
None. They’re going to run with the bow controversy!!1111!11
Anything to get the subject off the Q&A on Friday.
93 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:45:24pm |
OT
Apropos of my just-concluded road trip (eight thousand miles in four months, the last 2,800 completed in under five days):
Having lived in rural or, at worst, fully yuppified versions of the American nightmare for the third of a year, with perhaps three out of 117 days spent in any big metropolitan mess, I can see why the Victorians with any sense of how life might be lived outside the City were convinced that miasmas and mephitic exhalations were the sources of urban illness. Come to think of it, at least in a psycho-social sense, in what way were they wrong?
94 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:45:38pm |
re: #33 jamesfirecat
Seriously??
Seriously???
Thank heavens… we Americans are so in need of caring observers to guide us in the path of righteousness.//
95 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:45:46pm |
re: #70 Silvergirl
Three non-drivers in the same thread? That’s surprising.
Not if they all live in New York.
96 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:45:58pm |
re: #83 palomino
You’ll also see Charlie Crist in that picture. What political motivation could he possibly have for making a second appearance with Obama?
After the heat he took for appearing with Obama the first time, he’s been on the florida gop’s shit list. And now he’s facing a strong primary challenge from the right. Just seems to be giving his critics more ammo.
BO is toxic…he campaigns for you, you lose
97 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:46:33pm |
re: #93 Cato the Elder
You ever drive past a hog confinement building on a hot summer day? Talk about your miasmas….
98 | Racer X Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:47:22pm |
99 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:47:56pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
Probably not as long as there are people willing to tirelessly keep digging them up and egging them on.
100 | Silvergirl Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:48:02pm |
re: #93 Cato the Elder
OT
Apropos of my just-concluded road trip (eight thousand miles in four months, the last 2,800 completed in under five days):
Having lived in rural or, at worst, fully yuppified versions of the American nightmare for the third of a year, with perhaps three out of 117 days spent in any big metropolitan mess, I can see why the Victorians with any sense of how life might be lived outside the City were convinced that miasmas and mephitic exhalations were the sources of urban illness. Come to think of it, at least in a psycho-social sense, in what way were they wrong?
Reword that, will you? Simpler terms, please. I don’t consider myself too horribly learning disabled, but I am suffering from a wretched cold and need an assist.
102 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:48:36pm |
re: #97 PT Barnum
You ever drive past a hog confinement building on a hot summer day? Talk about your miasmas…
Those aren’t miasmas, they’re mephitic exhalations.
103 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:48:49pm |
re: #87 PT Barnum
WE could have an ADD convention here it sounds like…I’m ADD too, but more the absent minded professor/inattentive type.
That’s me too. I lack the hyperactivity. I wasn’t diagnosed until I went to college. My dad wasn’t diagnosed until he was an adult too. Strange how it can run in families. I have three young sons. And with ADD on both sides I figure at least one has it. But I would love for that to not be the case.
104 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:48:50pm |
re: #97 PT Barnum
You ever drive past a hog confinement building on a hot summer day? Talk about your miasmas…
Well, my best friend did walk past the Capitol Building in July… ;)
105 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:49:03pm |
re: #93 Cato the Elder
OT
Apropos of my just-concluded road trip (eight thousand miles in four months, the last 2,800 completed in under five days):
Having lived in rural or, at worst, fully yuppified versions of the American nightmare for the third of a year, with perhaps three out of 117 days spent in any big metropolitan mess, I can see why the Victorians with any sense of how life might be lived outside the City were convinced that miasmas and mephitic exhalations were the sources of urban illness. Come to think of it, at least in a psycho-social sense, in what way were they wrong?
I don’t know about that, but I like sweetcorn in August
106 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:49:49pm |
re: #85 Silvergirl
Wow. Even more impressive. I can’t add to your numbers, but if you ever need a ride somewhere, I have a license. Or we could all go biking.
Actually, I can’t ride a bike. We could Rollerblade. I can Rollerblade.
107 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:50:03pm |
re: #102 Cato the Elder
I dunno…just smells like pigshit to me…
108 | simoom Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:50:09pm |
re: #29 MandyManners
Hmmm…speaking of YouTube, these were posted tonight.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Posted tonight where?
Those seem to be links to posts from nearly two years ago containing an Al Jazeera report on 18 Gaza students who for whatever reason feel candidate Obama offered their best hope for Mid-east peace. One says that before each primary he would call some random Americans to urge them to vote for Obama. Based on his heavy accent and the Islamophobia in this country, an effort that I imagine somewhat backfired. Islamaphobia that those two posts trade in as they imply Obama is somehow tainted by these 18 foreign strangers support.
109 | Racer X Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:50:15pm |
111 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:51:10pm |
re: #98 Racer X
16 Lies in 7 Minutes: Obama’s First State Of The Union Video Breakdown
[Video]
nice catch, but nobody cares…he gets 16 passes
113 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:51:57pm |
re: #100 Silvergirl
Oh, come on. Why settle for brevity and clarity when you can wallow in a miasma of flowery bullshiite?//
115 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:52:15pm |
re: #103 generalsparky
I finally got on a set of meds that manages the ADD along with the comorbidities of depression and anxiety…
I still struggle with the ADD stuff (lack of focus or hyperfocus mostly) but now I can at least see that it’s happening and use my tools to deal with it.
I tell people ADD is like having a little guy in your brain with a remote control and he constantly changes channels on you until he finds something he likes and then you can’t get him to change the channel without a lot of work.
116 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:52:20pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
The $4 billion that NASA spends yearly on human space exploration will now be used for what NASA and White House officials called dramatic changes in rocketry, including in-orbit fueling. They said eventually those new technologies would be used to send astronauts to a nearby asteroid, a brief foray back to the moon, or the Martian moons.
SNIP
How will they get them to orbit to refuel when the shuttle is being decommissioned, the private companies aren’t ready, and NASA has no other man-rated systems?
Keep renting space from the Russians? Or Chinese?
117 | blueraven Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:52:53pm |
re: #76 cliffster
Fox News! Tea Party! Right wing racists! Oh no!
Did I say something about racists? That was not in my mind at all!
118 | Racer X Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:52:59pm |
Barack Obama to forecast $1.6 trillion deficit in budget
President Barack Obama will forecast a record $1.6 trillion deficit in the 2010 fiscal year, the biggest since World War Two, when he presents his budget today.
119 | Silvergirl Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:53:07pm |
re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, I can’t ride a bike. We could Rollerblade. I can Rollerblade.
I bow before you! I have never tried roller blading, but I think I could do it since I could ice skate as a girl in the frozen midwest. I’ll put on those old school skates (I even had a pair on strap-ons with a key) and go roller blading with you, and you can put training wheels on a bike and go biking with me.
120 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:53:40pm |
re: #100 Silvergirl
Reword that, will you? Simpler terms, please. I don’t consider myself too horribly learning disabled, but I am suffering from a wretched cold and need an assist.
OK: I lived in the country or on a bedroom-community island for the neurotic rich for the last third of a year, spending perhaps three days in cities. Coming back to Dear Dirty Dublin Baltimore today, my perceptions for how foul everything looks and smells are heightened. So I can see how a Dickens in coal-era, poorhouse London would think that it was “bad air” that caused all the problems. And, in a metaphorical sense, isn’t that in fact the simple truth?
121 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:53:45pm |
Sigh, I wished we’d* take the potential of space travel seriously…
*We, as in the country.
122 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:53:53pm |
re: #118 Racer X
Barack Obama to forecast $1.6 trillion deficit in budget
President Barack Obama will forecast a record $1.6 trillion deficit in the 2010 fiscal year, the biggest since World War Two, when he presents his budget today.
pass #17…ho hum
124 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:54:00pm |
Here’s a story on Government Health Care at Work from across the Big Pond:
125 | Racer X Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:54:26pm |
re: #114 MandyManners
A simple rope reference would have sufficed.
127 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:55:23pm |
re: #119 Silvergirl
I bow before you! I have never tried roller blading, but I think I could do it since I could ice skate as a girl in the frozen midwest. I’ll put on those old school skates (I even had a pair on strap-ons with a key) and go roller blading with you, and you can put training wheels on a bike and go biking with me.
If you can ice skate/roller skate, you can Rollerblade.
When I was in college we had a couple days when we dressed up in our RenFaire gear and went Rollerblading Elizabethan style. Very silly and fun.
129 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:55:41pm |
re: #96 albusteve
BO is toxic…he campaigns for you, you lose
that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.
and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?
130 | windsagio Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:56:18pm |
re: #123 MandyManners
I was gonna stay out of the swamp for a while, but I’m not sure its fair for you to complain about anybody saying “FUCK _” to anyone else >>
131 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:56:35pm |
re: #129 palomino
that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.
and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?
Besieged by the MSM.
//
132 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:56:38pm |
re: #129 palomino
that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.
and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?
Overloaded with gamma radiation???
134 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:56:57pm |
re: #123 MandyManners
Ooops.
This post means that LVQ has the right to say “Fuck you, bitch” to me.
Or, does itl.
You keep bringing that up, but do you recall what you once called me ? Time to move on Mandy.
135 | windsagio Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:57:08pm |
re: #130 windsagio
also; I thought Charles definitively settled the Ludwig thing >>
136 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:57:34pm |
re: #94 tradewind
Seriously??
Seriously???
Thank heavens… we Americans are so in need of caring observers to guide us in the path of righteousness.//
Well you know I did receive a voter’s guide stuck in my door the other day. I had never seen one before. It had instructions to take the piece of paper into the polling booth with me. It even had all the little bubbles filled in for all the folks I needed to vote for.
Seriously, are Americans so stupid they need to be spoonfed who in the hell to vote for or what to think?!?
137 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:07pm |
re: #126 MandyManners
That thing about bodily fluids defying gravity. So to-the-point…. I like it. In fact, have used it now and then since I ran into it here.
:)
138 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:09pm |
re: #136 generalsparky
Well you know I did receive a voter’s guide stuck in my door the other day. I had never seen one before. It had instructions to take the piece of paper into the polling booth with me. It even had all the little bubbles filled in for all the folks I needed to vote for.
Seriously, are Americans so stupid they need to be spoonfed who in the hell to vote for or what to think?!?
Who was the voter’s guide from?
139 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:15pm |
140 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:40pm |
141 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:56pm |
re: #129 palomino
that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.
and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?
is there an example where it was otherwise?…I don’t read all the news, but I don’t think toxic has a specific number to it…do you think he’ll campaign for the senate seat in Illinois?
142 | Silvergirl Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:32pm |
re: #120 Cato the Elder
OK: I lived in the country or on a bedroom-community island for the neurotic rich for the last third of a year, spending perhaps three days in cities. Coming back to Dear Dirty
DublinBaltimore today, my perceptions for how foul everything looks and smells are heightened. So I can see how a Dickens in coal-era, poorhouse London would think that it was “bad air” that caused all the problems. And, in a metaphorical sense, isn’t that in fact the simple truth?
My brother moved to Oregon from LA and he talks incessantly of the clean air. He was in awe for awhile.
Thanks for dumbing it down a bit for me.
143 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:34pm |
re: #136 generalsparky
Down here, only the democrats send those out. And then they follow up, and make sure their voters have them in hand before they walk into the booths.
144 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:36pm |
re: #124 Dark_Falcon
Here’s a story on Government Health Care at Work from across the Big Pond:
As opposed to here, where mothers often name their children after the taxi drivers whose cabs they give birth in while being shunted around from one ER to the other looking for one with an OB attending and a free nurse.
These socialized-medicine horror stories wore thin about 18 years ago. But thanks for playing.
145 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:43pm |
re: #110 Racer X
Wait, what were we talking about?
The President, but then I threw in a curve-ball. Some others mentioned that they don’t drive. Cato took a road-trip…and other sundry stuff.
So I worked all day (didn’t surf youtube) and people in the office mentioned Pink’s performance last night.
I just watched it for the first time (I’m sure a lot of you have already seen it). She’s a helluva singer and this moved her up a couple notches on my scale.
146 | webevintage Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:58pm |
Here’s a budget proposal that requires some brass ones:
voices.washingtonpost.com
147 | Racer X Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:00:06pm |
re: #118 Racer X
Barack Obama to forecast $1.6 trillion deficit in budget
President Barack Obama will forecast a record $1.6 trillion deficit in the 2010 fiscal year, the biggest since World War Two, when he presents his budget today.Mr Obama’s budget proposal for 2011, to be released on Monday morning, will predict a narrowing of the deficits to $700 billion by 2013 before they gradually rise back to $1 trillion by the end of the decade, said sources in Congress.
Announce astronomical spending, then look like a savior when you announce a spending freeze and some modest budget cuts.
Oh this guy is good.
148 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:00:25pm |
OT - Funny SNL sketch about Scott Brown and the Dems:
149 | windsagio Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:00:54pm |
re: #143 tradewind
In the PNW the states put some out, and there are stories every year of conservative groups putting ‘voters guides’ in car windshields during church services.
150 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:07pm |
re: #129 palomino
that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.
and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?
Not that it matters, but his polling is up to the highest levels in a few months from the STOU bump. (both Rasmussen and Gallup)
151 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:10pm |
152 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:16pm |
re: #144 Cato the Elder
As opposed to here, where mothers often name their children after the taxi drivers whose cabs they give birth in while being shunted around from one ER to the other looking for one with an OB attending and a free nurse.
These socialized-medicine horror stories wore thin about 18 years ago. But thanks for playing.
My father got emergency delivery training as a police cadet, and I think he was always kind of disappointed that they made it to the hospital smoothly when I was being born. He was sure he could have done everything himself if given the opportunity.
153 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:43pm |
re: #70 Silvergirl
Three non-drivers in the same thread? That’s surprising.
It is. I likely couldn’t out drive Mario Andretti, but I feel like I was born with a steering wheel in my hands and a gas pedal under my foot.
A couple years back, I had to take the written driver’s test to renew my license. Some new state law or something. Anyway, first time taking it in nearly twenty years, didn’t study a bit, and nailed it. 100%
:pops collar:
154 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:55pm |
re: #136 generalsparky
Well you know I did receive a voter’s guide stuck in my door the other day. I had never seen one before. It had instructions to take the piece of paper into the polling booth with me. It even had all the little bubbles filled in for all the folks I needed to vote for.
Seriously, are Americans so stupid they need to be spoonfed who in the hell to vote for or what to think?!?
Did you see the post voting interviews? blog.beliefnet.com>blog.beliefnet.com>
Could easily apply to McCain voters, too I’m sure.
The lack of knowledge that many voters display is stunning.
155 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:02:00pm |
re: #149 windsagio
In the PNW, that’d be what….. twenty or thirty flyers, tops?//
156 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:03:19pm |
re: #150 avanti
Not that it matters, but his polling is up to the highest levels in a few months from the STOU bump. (both Rasmussen and Gallup)
BO is sunk right now…just keep kidding yourself with poll numbers…higher than what?…lower than when?…his agenda is what counts, why do you think he moved those Patriots around?…he’s grasping for some mojo
157 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:03:42pm |
re: #144 Cato the Elder
As opposed to here, where mothers often name their children after the taxi drivers whose cabs they give birth in while being shunted around from one ER to the other looking for one with an OB attending and a free nurse.
These socialized-medicine horror stories wore thin about 18 years ago. But thanks for playing.
One of the differences being that that in the UK those people have already paid for the services they aren’t getting.
158 | webevintage Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:04:29pm |
re: #143 tradewind
Down here, only the democrats send those out. And then they follow up, and make sure their voters have them in hand before they walk into the booths.
Around here the only “voters guides” I have seen are from Family Council which is affiliated with Focus on the Family.
159 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:04:30pm |
re: #150 avanti
Can you say ’ dead cat bounce ‘?
The SOTU ran his numbers up only within his own party….. no change or bounce at all from the independents he underbussed lost.
161 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:04:42pm |
re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist
Who was the voter’s guide from?
From the Democrat Party in my county. Apparently there was a primary here today and the previous owners of our house were registered Democrats. I didn’t know they were until we got a knock on the door yesterday. I had kind of wondered why I was getting all this Democrat stuff in the mail on and on my door and not Republican. But I brushed it off as being IL and a “Blue” state.
162 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:05:10pm |
re: #156 albusteve
BO is sunk right now…just keep kidding yourself with poll numbers…higher than what?…lower than when?…his agenda is what counts, why do you think he moved those Patriots around?…he’s grasping for some mojo
Whatever, if it was 85%, you’d say only 15% of the country was not nuts.
163 | Racer X Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:05:20pm |
re: #145 rwmofo
The President, but then I threw in a curve-ball. Some others mentioned that they don’t drive. Cato took a road-trip…and other sundry stuff.
So I worked all day (didn’t surf youtube) and people in the office mentioned Pink’s performance last night.
I just watched it for the first time (I’m sure a lot of you have already seen it). She’s a helluva singer and this moved her up a couple notches on my scale.
Wow! That was awesome! (Pink)
164 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:05:38pm |
I want to buy a HDTV to watch the Super Bowl, and so my kids can watch sports when they come over.
What’s a good brand and a good place to buy a new TV? My parents have a 60” wide screen. I don’t need something that big, but a nice 42” can be had for cheap now that it’s Super Bowl week.
165 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:06:21pm |
re: #143 tradewind
Down here, only the democrats send those out. And then they follow up, and make sure their voters have them in hand before they walk into the booths.
It was from the Democrat party. Apparently the previous owners of our house were registered Democrats so I was getting all their fliers.
166 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:06:27pm |
re: #161 generalsparky
From the Democrat Party in my county. Apparently there was a primary here today and the previous owners of our house were registered Democrats. I didn’t know they were until we got a knock on the door yesterday. I had kind of wondered why I was getting all this Democrat stuff in the mail on and on my door and not Republican. But I brushed it off as being IL and a “Blue” state.
Ugh, during the ‘08 election, my door was spammed with ‘voter’s guides’.
Got to the point where I told one of ‘em to read the frikking no solicitors sign!
:/
167 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:06:45pm |
re: #157 Van Helsing
One of the differences being that that in the UK those people have already paid for the services they aren’t getting.
Whereas here, you’ll eventually make it to an ER with a neonate/postnate facility, where they’ll rush your cab baby and you to a room and do all kinds of tests, then bill the rest of us.
I am suddenly so convinced of the superiority of our system.
168 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:07:17pm |
re: #161 generalsparky
From the Democrat Party in my county. Apparently there was a primary here today and the previous owners of our house were registered Democrats. I didn’t know they were until we got a knock on the door yesterday. I had kind of wondered why I was getting all this Democrat stuff in the mail on and on my door and not Republican. But I brushed it off as being IL and a “Blue” state.
Oops, the primary is tomorrow, not today.
169 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:07:19pm |
re: #159 tradewind
Can you say ’ dead cat bounce ‘?
The SOTU ran his numbers up only within his own party… no change or bounce at all from the independents heunderbussedlost.
What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.
170 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:07:47pm |
re: #162 avanti
Whatever, if it was 85%, you’d say only 15% of the country was not nuts.
I don’t care about the polls…I care about production and leadership, not some esoteric question and answer guide preloaded for publication the next day…people are not very happy with BO and his cronies right now, you can call it whatever you want
171 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:08:10pm |
I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:
Show Lets Viewers Decide If ‘Reality Stars’ Get Abortions
First it was the Real World, then came the Jersey Shore. Now, a new pseudoreality show is hoping to make an impression – only this time the cameras are following three actresses pretending to have unwanted pregnancies, and whether or not they decide to get an abortion is up to the viewers.
The “Bump” was conceived after President Obama’s commencement address at Note Dame University last year where he said he wanted “to find ways to communicate about a workable solution to the problem of unintended pregnancies,” executive producer Dominic Iocco told The Washington Post.
172 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:08:27pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
We need a new space-frame. Whether the Obama admin can pull this off or not, i don’t know, but we need a new space-frame.
173 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:08:37pm |
re: #159 tradewind
Can you say ’ dead cat bounce ‘?
The SOTU ran his numbers up only within his own party… no change or bounce at all from the independents heunderbussedlost.
No argument on the bounce, but I agree with Obama on one thing. If he’d tried doing a lot less and just filled the chair his polling would be better. As it is, he’s tracking Reagan’s numbers during his first year in a down economy.
175 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:08:59pm |
re: #169 cliffster
What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.
Go, Cliffster! Let your inner feline roar!
176 | windsagio Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:09:36pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
that strikes me like the ‘white basketball league’ as can’t possibly be true.
177 | humpty dumpty was pushed Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:09:41pm |
re: #164 Alouette
We’ve had 2 sharps, a sony and a philips. The Sharps are really clear and have great color in HD, fwiw.
178 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:09:50pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:
If we televised Gladiatorial death matches, it’d be the highest rated show ever.
/humans.
179 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:09:52pm |
re: #164 Alouette
Make sure you get an LCD, not a plasma….. the energy usage is strikingly different.
180 | Irenicum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:10:09pm |
A good interview overall. I dare say this reminds me of why I voted for him. He was given a series of questions not scripted and yet he gave nuanced and generally satisfactory answers to most of them showing a knowledge of every issue. No teleprompters were harmed while filming this interview.
181 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:10:10pm |
re: #141 albusteve
is there an example where it was otherwise?…I don’t read all the news, but I don’t think toxic has a specific number to it…do you think he’ll campaign for the senate seat in Illinois?
Of course he’ll campaign in IL. Just like Bush did for gopers in TX up to the end. Home state voters usually love their presidents beyond all rational bounds.
182 | webevintage Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:10:33pm |
re: #166 Varek Raith
Got to the point where I told one of ‘em to read the frikking no solicitors sign!
:/
This is on my door:
“NO SOLICITORS
Please Go Away If You are selling something….even Jesus.
No salesmen, Baptists, Evangelicals, Jehovah Witnesses.
You folks annoy me and make my dogs bark.
Got a delivery? Friends and family?
You guys are always welcome at our house.
Thanks for coming by!”
183 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:11:08pm |
re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist
My father got emergency delivery training as a police cadet, and I think he was always kind of disappointed that they made it to the hospital smoothly when I was being born. He was sure he could have done everything himself if given the opportunity.
This may sound silly, because you made me think of it about 27 years after I could have used it, but it wouldn’t hurt for more people (Hey Dads) to get this kind of trainnig. My ex was in labor for a total of 90 minutes. Fortunately it was Christmas Eve morning and I was home. We tracked the contractions for about 20 minutes, called the Dr, and drove to the hospital. The kid decided to pop out and he wasn’t negotiating.
184 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:11:23pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
I’m not a wingnut and I’m outraged at the inanity of such a concept.
Unfortunately, we have not even begun to plumb the depths of what the American psyche will accept as legitimate entertainment.
185 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:11:25pm |
re: #169 cliffster
What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.
Changing peoples attitudes about cats is like herding cats.
186 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:11:57pm |
re: #170 albusteve
I don’t care about the polls…I care about production and leadership, not some esoteric question and answer guide preloaded for publication the next day…people are not very happy with BO and his cronies right now, you can call it whatever you want
That’s what polling tells you, how many “people” are unhappy. My point was and is, that you’ll always be in the unhappy group, no matter it’s size.
187 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:15pm |
re: #167 Cato the Elder
Whereas here, you’ll eventually make it to an ER with a neonate/postnate facility, where they’ll rush your cab baby and you to a room and do all kinds of tests, then bill the rest of us.
I am suddenly so convinced of the superiority of our system.
Cato, all I was pointing out was that in the UK they are supposed to be guaranteed those services because they are paying for them.
And in the case of the NHS you’d still be paying for the services they didn’t get.
So that makes it better how? Everyone gets screwed less?
188 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:25pm |
189 | humpty dumpty was pushed Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:27pm |
re: #179 tradewind
Agreed. And lcd are brighter and the picture doesn`t suffrer when viewed from an angle.
190 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:36pm |
re: #181 palomino
Of course he’ll campaign in IL. Just like Bush did for gopers in TX up to the end. Home state voters usually love their presidents beyond all rational bounds.
It won’t help this time. Voters here are pissed with Democratic corruption. I expect Republicans to capture both the Governorship and Obama’s former Senate seat.
191 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:46pm |
re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist
My father got emergency delivery training as a police cadet, and I think he was always kind of disappointed that they made it to the hospital smoothly when I was being born. He was sure he could have done everything himself if given the opportunity.
OK, a joke for an uneven evening:
Malkie and Avrom are a pair of young Orthodox newlyweds living in a Brooklyn apartment, and they’re expecting their first baby. Avrom is terribly excited and nervous, so he pesters his rabbi for all the information he may need when the baby arrives.
“What if the baby comes on Shabbos?” he asks one day.
“Well,” the rabbi tells him, “if it’s nighttime, and your Shabbos candles are still burning, you should ask one of the neighbor children to come and watch until they burn down. Before Shabbos you should put enough money for a cab and a big tip on the kitchen counter. You should call for a cab—in an urgent medical situation like a first labor, that’s fine to use the phone on Shabbos. When the cabbie comes, ask him to come upstairs. He can take his own money, and carry Malkie’s bag downstairs for you. And you should remember to ask the cab company that they not send a Jewish cabbie, so you don’t enable another Jew in committing a sin.”
Avrom carefully commits this to memory. Sure enough, late on Friday night, Malkie’s contractions begin. Avrom calls the cab company, and requests a taxi. Remembering the rabbi’s directions, he clarifies that they should not send a Jewish driver.
Minutes later, a young African American cab driver arrives at their door. Having grown up in the neighborhood, he at once understands the situation, and taking Malkie’s bag and his money from the kitchen counter, he goes downstairs and waits while Avram helps Malkie down the stairs. Reassuring them that it’s a short drive to the hospital, and that he has never had a baby born in his cab before, he begins to drive.
As they approach the hospital, the radio crackles on. “Hey Jamal. It’s Izzy. We got a pickup at the hospital, Gordon, three people, they need help with a wheelchair. Have you dropped off the ****ing anti-Semites yet?”
192 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:50pm |
re: #181 palomino
Of course he’ll campaign in IL. Just like Bush did for gopers in TX up to the end. Home state voters usually love their presidents beyond all rational bounds.
his popularity seems to be crashing in Chicago…I posted about on the overnight thread this morning…don’t take my word for it tho, there is plenty of evidence that his cred is weakening up there
193 | webevintage Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:12pm |
I forgot to mention that the important thing about my sign is that is works.
I’ve seen folks come up the steps, read the sign and go away.
194 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:14pm |
re: #173 avanti
The difference is that Reagan had a clear vision for the country that the people could love, and more importantly, understand.
Obama can’t do that.
195 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:28pm |
196 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:31pm |
re: #169 cliffster
What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.
Sutures, bows for stringed instruments. Cats can be useful.
197 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:35pm |
re: #182 webevintage
This is on my door:
“NO SOLICITORS
Please Go Away If You are selling something….even Jesus.
No salesmen, Baptists, Evangelicals, Jehovah Witnesses.
You folks annoy me and make my dogs bark.Got a delivery? Friends and family?
You guys are always welcome at our house.
Thanks for coming by!”
Love it! I would have to replace “dogs” with “kids” since we are a petfree house though ;-)
200 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:14:29pm |
re: #186 avanti
That’s what polling tells you, how many “people” are unhappy. My point was and is, that you’ll always be in the unhappy group, no matter it’s size.
I don’t like liberal, no experience, extra talky, fumbling, bumbling presidents…it’s true
201 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:28pm |
re: #169 cliffster
Hey, I didn’t coin that term.///
(But I’m really glad it’s not called a dead dog bounce.//)
202 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:33pm |
re: #180 Irenicum
A good interview overall. I dare say this reminds me of why I voted for him. He was given a series of questions not scripted and yet he gave nuanced and generally satisfactory answers to most of them showing a knowledge of every issue. No teleprompters were harmed while filming this interview.
One quibble, he’s a bit too nuanced at times. He needs some simple sound bites, and plain talk to appeal to Joe Sixpack.
203 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:42pm |
re: #151 tradewind
of course, it’s all the msm’s fault. easier to blame them than actually look at what happened over his two terms.
204 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:53pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:
Is it too late to do a remake of the “The Mary Tyler Moore” show instead?
205 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:54pm |
re: #186 avanti
That’s what polling tells you, how many “people” are unhappy. My point was and is, that you’ll always be in the unhappy group, no matter it’s size.
It’s not the size of the unhappy group that matters. It’s their motion to the polls.
206 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:17:28pm |
re: #184 Cato the Elder
I’m not a wingnut and I’m outraged at the inanity of such a concept.
Unfortunately, we have not even begun to plumb the depths of what the American psyche will accept as legitimate entertainment.
That’s the difference, though. When you get outraged, your outrage is rationally founded. When loonies get outraged its because something violates their little strictures of mind and is therefore eeevvvviilll. They react with thinking things through, unlike you.
207 | keloyd Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:17:56pm |
re: #169 cliffster
What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.
and in the dark, all cats are gray >:)
208 | albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:18:04pm |
re: #202 avanti
One quibble, he’s a bit too nuanced at times. He needs some simple sound bites, and plain talk to appeal to Joe Sixpack.
hahaha!…you think that can save him?…a TV touch up?….man, you people are flat out crazy….who gives a shit how smooth he is?, that angle has already gone bust…I don’t believe you….do you care at all about leadership?, or just votes and hairdo’s
209 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:18:57pm |
re: #199 Cato the Elder
According to Bentham, yes.
I don’t in general agree with his philosophy of rights. Other than that, not too acquainted with his writings.
210 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:19:04pm |
re: #167 Cato the Elder
Whereas here, you’ll eventually make it to an ER with a neonate/postnate facility, where they’ll rush your cab baby and you to a room and do all kinds of tests, then bill the rest of us.
I am suddenly so convinced of the superiority of our system.
If either side has come up with a good plan, I haven’t seen it.
The Democrats’ biggest mistake, IMO, was to try to shove it down our throats by yesterday - or 2009. If they had a good plan they could have marketed it effectively and won more people over. Change is desirable by both sides, but when it involves 1/6th of the economy, maybe some bipartisanship is in order.
211 | srb1976 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:19:04pm |
re: #183 rwmofo
This may sound silly, because you made me think of it about 27 years after I could have used it, but it wouldn’t hurt for more people (Hey Dads) to get this kind of trainnig. My ex was in labor for a total of 90 minutes. Fortunately it was Christmas Eve morning and I was home. We tracked the contractions for about 20 minutes, called the Dr, and drove to the hospital. The kid decided to pop out and he wasn’t negotiating.
Funny thing….our first was born in about 90 minutes too, we made it to the hospital, but the doctor nearly didn’t (1:48 am), he walked in just before better half would have had to catch….the nurse was too freaked out =)
212 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:19:19pm |
re: #208 albusteve
hahaha!…you think that can save him?…a TV touch up?…man, you people are flat out crazy…who gives a shit how smooth he is?, that angle has already gone bust…I don’t believe you…do you care at all about leadership?, or just votes and hairdo’s
people just aren’t smart enough to understand him. never gets old
213 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:19:34pm |
re: #194 tradewind
The difference is that Reagan had a clear vision for the country that the people could love, and more importantly, understand.
Obama can’t do that.
Bull. Reagan had a clearly understandable set of lies, damned lies and statistics that he could reel off like a sideshow barker. And the voting rubes bought it like beer at a baseball game in August.
Then he proceeded to do what his corporate owners told him to do, regardless of consequences.
Reagan: The Great Prevaricator.
Or was G.H.W. Bush just plain wrong when he talked of “voodoo economics”?
214 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:20:11pm |
re: #208 albusteve
hahaha!…you think that can save him?…a TV touch up?…man, you people are flat out crazy…who gives a shit how smooth he is?, that angle has already gone bust…I don’t believe you…do you care at all about leadership?, or just votes and hairdo’s
He needs to get his “Palin” on a bit, you betcha.
215 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:20:33pm |
re: #213 Cato the Elder
Washington couldn’t tell a lie
Nixon never told the truth
Reagan couldn’t tell the difference.
216 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:20:47pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:
Note Dame? Must be a new school or something.
What does Obama have to do with this anyway? It’s not even a TV reality show. Just some dumb online reality video program called Bump the Show.
It is distasteful.
217 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:21:01pm |
re: #203 palomino
Not really big on irony detection, I suppose. Sorry you took the post word for word as the gospel.//
218 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:21:20pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:
Wish I had something witty or profound to offer here. I got nothin’.
219 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:22:07pm |
re: #218 rwmofo
Wish I had something witty or profound to offer here. I got nothin’.
That would be because the idea is stupid. Really stupid.
220 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:22:24pm |
re: #218 rwmofo
Good god, can’t we make it retroactive? I’d be happier if I’d never heard of Jon and Kate.
221 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:23:42pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:
I think we should just skip right ahead (behind) to gladiatorial combat in the Arena.
Do you like gladiator movies?
222 | Irenicum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:23:44pm |
re: #202 avanti
I agree that his nuance is both his strength and his weakness. Since I lean towards the nuanced end of the scale, his explanations resonate with me. But I can see how a more clear cut explanation is more effective in motivating people towards action. Reagan knew how to do that extremely well. Obama would do well to learn from his style. But of course, if he did, he’d be accused of being some dastardly mastermind of rhetoric who could “sway the masses” by his Manichean verbiage. I guess its damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Either way in the end I guess I’ll take a nuanced approach. It’s generally more realistic and less utopian.
223 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:24:42pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Damn the writers’ strike for the beyond-pathetic reality shows they spawned and foisted off on us.
Well, on some of us. Not me.
224 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:24:45pm |
Next up: a reality show that lets viewers decided whether cancer patients go for rads and chemo or acupuncture and healing aromas.
This is so guaranteed to be a hit that I’m appending this:
Copyright 2010 Cato the Elder LLC
225 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:25:05pm |
re: #222 Irenicum
except real murikans don’t talk lahk that.
226 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:25:18pm |
re: #212 cliffster
people just aren’t smart enough to understand him. never gets old
They may be smart enough, they just don’t relate to over complicated speeches. We remember “It’s the economy stupid” or “drill baby drill”, but not a complicated explanation of economics, or energy policies.
227 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:25:52pm |
re: #136 generalsparky
Well you know I did receive a voter’s guide stuck in my door the other day. I had never seen one before.
re: #143 tradewind
Down here, only the democrats send those out. And then they follow up, and make sure their voters have them in hand before they walk into the booths.
I like this only Democrats send out voter’s guides meme you two are developing. It’s fresh and interesting.
Your newsletters, I would like to subscribe to them.
228 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:26:18pm |
re: #222 Irenicum
It’s hard to nuance your way around a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit.
229 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:26:23pm |
re: #224 Cato the Elder
Wasn’t there a SCTV sketch about that called Danny’s Inferno? The premise was to find out what horrible act someone would be willing to commit for $1,000,000
230 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:26:26pm |
re: #194 tradewind
The difference is that Reagan had a clear vision for the country that the people could love, and more importantly, understand.
Obama can’t do that.
Come on. You can’t compare Obama to Reagan in style or any other president that followed. Whether people liked Reagan or not he was still known as “the great communicator.” He had vast experience in radio, television, leading the actors union, and a slew of speeches under his belt. By the time he took office he already had 50 years of speaking experience.
231 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:26:44pm |
re: #222 Irenicum
But of course, if he did, he’d be accused of being some dastardly mastermind of rhetoric who could “sway the masses” by his Manichean verbiage.
Oh, too late… he’s already been accused of that. But not so much accused, as adored for it, by news anchors and pundits everywhere who have no clue.
232 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:27:01pm |
re: #221 Van Helsing
I think we should just skip right ahead (behind) to gladiatorial combat in the Arena.
Do you like gladiator movies?
Well, you’d get some interest from Cato, to be sure. ;)
233 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:27:48pm |
re: #224 Cato the Elder
You’d deny them door number three, which would be a combo?//
234 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:28:08pm |
re: #202 avanti
One quibble, he’s a bit too nuanced at times. He needs some simple sound bites, and plain talk to appeal to Joe Sixpack.
I thought “spread the wealth around”, “can’t drive what you want, eat what you want, set the thermostat to 72”, and “I’d like to see the Constitution more as positive rights - what the government should do for you, not what the can’t do to you” were plain as day.
235 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:28:33pm |
re: #215 PT Barnum
Washington couldn’t tell a lie
Nixon never told the truth
Reagan couldn’t tell the difference.
Hadn’t heard that one. Can’t wait to tell it.
236 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:28:55pm |
re: #221 Van Helsing
I think we should just skip right ahead (behind) to gladiatorial combat in the Arena.
Do you like gladiator movies?
I hate gladiator movies.
237 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:03pm |
re: #223 tradewind
Damn the writers’ strike for the beyond-pathetic reality shows they spawned and foisted off on us.
Well, on some of us. Not me.
TV pretty much sucks. I watch 24, The Tudors and Big Love. My husband and I watch together The Apprentice (UK and American) and Dragon’s Den (UK and Canadian). I also watch some UK property shows when I can find them online.
238 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:15pm |
re: #230 Gus 802
Well…. by the time Obama took office he had….
Never mind. I forgot. He had practically nothing in the way of experience, speaking or otherwise.
239 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:19pm |
re: #223 tradewind
Damn the writers’ strike for the beyond-pathetic reality shows they spawned and foisted off on us.
Well, on some of us. Not me.
But the writer’s strike gave us Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog!
241 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:41pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
Well, you’d get some interest from Cato, to be sure. ;)
Right now I’m trying to set up a cage match between two well-known female commenters here. Tickets are going to go fast, so you might want to send me your $1,700-dollar non-refundable pre-registration fees right now.
242 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:53pm |
243 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:13pm |
re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist
Is it too late to do a remake of the “The Mary Tyler Moore” show instead?
I saw Joan Jett perform here a couple years ago. She did “The Mary Tyler Moore” theme song - cranked up and blasting away. My GF thought it was the “Laverne & Shirley” song at first, but I convinced her otherwise.
Didn’t see that coming.
244 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:24pm |
re: #241 Cato the Elder
Right now I’m trying to set up a cage match between two well-known female commenters here. Tickets are going to go fast, so you might want to send me your $1,700-dollar non-refundable pre-registration fees right now.
Jello, hot oil, or chocolate pudding?
245 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:26pm |
re: #227 goddamnedfrank
Well, I didn’t state the party until asked.
246 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:36pm |
re: #241 Cato the Elder
Right now I’m trying to set up a cage match between two well-known female commenters here. Tickets are going to go fast, so you might want to send me your $1,700-dollar non-refundable pre-registration fees right now.
…Are you a Prince, perchance???
247 | PT Barnum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:58pm |
re: #243 rwmofo
A little song a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants…
248 | Stanley Sea Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:31:17pm |
re: #223 tradewind
Damn the writers’ strike for the beyond-pathetic reality shows they spawned and foisted off on us.
Well, on some of us. Not me.
I’m a sucker for Project Runway.
249 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:31:18pm |
re: #228 cliffster
It’s hard to nuance your way around a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit.
Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.
250 | Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:31:27pm |
251 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:32:14pm |
re: #211 srb1976
Funny thing…our first was born in about 90 minutes too, we made it to the hospital, but the doctor nearly didn’t (1:48 am), he walked in just before better half would have had to catch…the nurse was too freaked out =)
Whew! This is the kind of thing I like to leave to the professionals.
252 | Irenicum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:32:31pm |
It’s kinda fun to see my comments having a Rorschach effect.
253 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:32:53pm |
re: #237 generalsparky
TV pretty much sucks. I watch 24, The Tudors and Big Love. My husband and I watch together The Apprentice (UK and American) and Dragon’s Den (UK and Canadian). I also watch some UK property shows when I can find them online.
I saw a few episodes of Big Love at a friend’s house, and would like to see it from the beginning. But my husband is already moaning that the first season of Ugly Betty is taking too long to process through the Netflix.
254 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:09pm |
re: #237 generalsparky
24 looks like it might be good again this season. Try The Mentalist and Castle, you might like them. And Lost returns tomorrow, thank goodness.
There’s a new show set in Portland called Life Unexpected that’s promising as well.
255 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:14pm |
re: #241 Cato the Elder
Right now I’m trying to set up a cage match between two well-known female commenters here. Tickets are going to go fast, so you might want to send me your $1,700-dollar non-refundable pre-registration fees right now.
Can we get a spherical cage and two motocross bikes?
256 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:29pm |
re: #249 avanti
Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.
ah, yes. It’s Bush’s fault. Now that’s nuance
257 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:31pm |
re: #249 avanti
Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.
The 1.3TB (tera bucks) is this year’s alone.
258 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:43pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, there’s that. NPH can’t do wrong.
259 | Racer X Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:34:04pm |
re: #249 avanti
Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.
But did Obama have to double down? In a horrible economy?
260 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:34:39pm |
re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist
I saw a few episodes of Big Love at a friend’s house, and would like to see it from the beginning. But my husband is already moaning that the first season of Ugly Betty is taking too long to process through the Netflix.
Big Love is great! I love The Tudors because I am an Anglophile, but there is just something about Big Love that is addictive. Is Ugly Betty any good?
261 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:35:20pm |
I need a new Trek series that doesn’t suck…
:(
263 | Irenicum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:35:38pm |
re: #255 Gus 802
Oooh, I’m sure they’d run circles around the competition!
264 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:36:23pm |
re: #254 tradewind
24 looks like it might be good again this season. Try The Mentalist and Castle, you might like them. And Lost returns tomorrow, thank goodness.
There’s a new show set in Portland called Life Unexpected that’s promising as well.
I hope to finally get to watch the episodes of Life Unexpected in got on Tivo this week. I’ve been working on Monday nights and haven’t had a chance to watch it yet.
265 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:36:31pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
Not even Victor Mature or Kirk Douglas? /
I’m not a big sword-and-sandal gal. Except for Spartacus.
I do love the story about the conversation between the director and Stephen Boyd about adding a homoerotic undertone in Ben Hur. Apparently the director was going to discuss it with Charlton Heston. Boyd said “No way. I know Charlton. He won’t be able to handle it. Let me take care of it. I’ll work it in, and he’ll never notice.”
266 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:37:15pm |
re: #213 Cato the Elder
Bull. Reagan had a clearly understandable set of lies, damned lies and statistics that he could reel off like a sideshow barker. And the voting rubes bought it like beer at a baseball game in August.
Then he proceeded to do what his corporate owners told him to do, regardless of consequences.
Reagan: The Great Prevaricator.
Or was G.H.W. Bush just plain wrong when he talked of “voodoo economics”?
When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.
When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.
I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.
267 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:37:23pm |
268 | Irenicum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:37:40pm |
re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist
What does that say about the director….and about Charlton?
269 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:37:45pm |
re: #256 cliffster
ah, yes. It’s Bush’s fault. Now that’s nuance
No, it is Obama’s responsibility. He also deserves credit for ending the Recession/Depression he was saddled with by his predecessor. Yeah, now he’s got a big deficit, two wars and double digit unemployment. Big challenges.
270 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:00pm |
re: #260 generalsparky
Big Love is great! I love The Tudors because I am an Anglophile, but there is just something about Big Love that is addictive. Is Ugly Betty any good?
I enjoy it. The family is very engaging, and America Ferrera is a wonderful actress. Plus, Salma Hayek is in it.
271 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:25pm |
re: #266 rwmofo
When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.
When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.
I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.
Oh, SNAP!
272 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:26pm |
re: #259 Racer X
But did Obama have to double down? In a horrible economy?
Current total debt -debt ceiling
273 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:35pm |
Blaming previous admins. is pointless, regardless if they’re to blame or not.
274 | generalsparky Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:57pm |
re: #254 tradewind
24 looks like it might be good again this season. Try The Mentalist and Castle, you might like them. And Lost returns tomorrow, thank goodness.
There’s a new show set in Portland called Life Unexpected that’s promising as well.
My husband and I watched the first couple of seasons of Lost. Then he got pissed because they did some advertisement on the last episode of season 2 about how all your questions being answered or something. Of course they weren’t and it left you with even more questions. So we stopped watching it but I probably should order them on Netflix. Is this the last season?
And thanks for the other suggestions. We don’t have cable and I find commercials annoying, so my regular tv watching is rather limited.
275 | Irenicum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:39:11pm |
re: #261 Varek Raith
The last one I watched that I actually liked was DS9. Nothing since then.
276 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:39:30pm |
re: #256 cliffster
ah, yes. It’s Bush’s fault. Now that’s nuance
OK, some facts:
“Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,” Vice President Cheney said in 2002 when pushing for a fresh round of tax cuts. With this attitude in hand, Bush passed on a budgetary nightmare to his successor. Bush came into office with an advantage few presidents have enjoyed — a $230 billion surplus. But due to a $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001, a $1.5 trillion tax cut in 2003, and a massive defense buildup through the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Bush quickly blew through that surplus. The next president will “inherit a fiscal meltdown,” Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-ND) warned in February 2008, as the Bush administration projected a budget deficit of $400 billion. After the financial crisis emerged last fall and the ensuing bailouts, Bush’s budget deficit ballooned to over $1 trillion. As Center for American Progress Vice President for Economic Policy Michael Ettlinger explained, budget deficits swelled under Bush because his supply-side tax policies slashed revenues while failing to deliver strong economic performance.”
No question Obama is still spending like mad, but at least he’s trying to roll back the Busk tax cuts for those making over 250 K. BTW, both Bush and Obama did the right thing with TARP, but it did add to the dept.
277 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:39:38pm |
re: #268 Irenicum
What does that say about the director…and about Charlton?
Not entirely sure, but the fact that Boyd wanted to save his costar from a panic attack strikes me as funny.
278 | Racer X Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:40:00pm |
re: #273 Varek Raith
Blaming previous admins. is pointless, regardless if they’re to blame or not.
Can you please forward that info to the current administration? Thanks.
279 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:40:33pm |
re: #275 Irenicum
The last one I watched that I actually liked was DS9. Nothing since then.
I liked DS9. Voyager was, meh, but somewhat watchable. Enterprise was a kit bashed Akira class. :/
Nerd Rage!
280 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:40:56pm |
re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m not a big sword-and-sandal gal. Except for Spartacus.
I do love the story about the conversation between the director and Stephen Boyd about adding a homoerotic undertone in Ben Hur. Apparently the director was going to discuss it with Charlton Heston. Boyd said “No way. I know Charlton. He won’t be able to handle it. Let me take care of it. I’ll work it in, and he’ll never notice.”
That’s pretty funny. Charlton Heston and his accidental homoerotic scenes. I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew what was going on. Heston was kind of a hip guy. He stood up for civil rights in the 60s. None of this was new to him or any of the other actors from that era. It was around. Ronald Reagan saw it as well as Jimmy Stewart but that never stopped them.
281 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:41:35pm |
re: #266 rwmofo
When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.
When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.
I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.
Yes, but all that crap was Carter’s fault. I remember all the speeches Reagan gave - it was always “Carter’s mess here and Carter’s mess there”.
/in case
282 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:41:48pm |
re: #279 Varek Raith
I liked DS9. Voyager was, meh, but somewhat watchable. Enterprise was a kit bashed Akira class. :/
Nerd Rage!
Have you figured out how to turn that Nerd Rage into a new Dark Side power?
283 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:42:10pm |
re: #274 generalsparky
Yes, it’s the last season. It’s a show that needs watching via the dvds to catch up and concentrate on, or it was for me.
I don’t watch commercials, either, or television programs when they air… just dvr ‘em and knock them off in a chunk…. it just seems like better entertainment that way and you can schedule it. An hour program turns into forty something minutes.
285 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:01pm |
re: #266 rwmofo
When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.
When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.
I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.
Uh, the Berlin wall didn’t come down under Reagan. It was under Bush.
Looking at the historical mortgage rates:
1979 under Carter: 11.20
1983 under Reagan: 13.24
1987 under Reagan: 10.21
1991 under Bush: 9.25
1995 under Clinton: 7.81
286 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:12pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Have you figured out how to turn that Nerd Rage into a new Dark Side power?
Not yet, but when I do, I suspect it’ll shatter the fabric of reality!
Muhahaha!
:)
287 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:19pm |
re: #271 Dark_Falcon
Oh, SNAP!
Don’t forget, Reagan came in with a bad economy too, once it turned around, his polling went way up. Much of the dissatisfaction with Obama is that it’s not happened as fast as the public likes. If in a year or two, things are much better, he’ll be reelected, if it does not, he’s history.
288 | Racer X Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:22pm |
Saturday Night Blue Collar Brew Review – Founders Breakfast StoutLet us pour.
The beer poured looking almost like spent motor oil. Really, really dark brown, The head came up to about a half-inch of dark chocolatey goodness and slowly dissipated. Looking into the glass contents revealed nothing, even when held up next to the desk lamp lightbulb. It was dense. It was dark. It was a black hole in a Duvel glass. The aroma was very slight with almost imperceptible beer smells.
As I took the first sip, I felt how viscous the beer was in my mouth. It seemed thicker. At the swallow the flavors exploded. The coffee was first and foremost, followed by just a hint of chocolate. Then I felt the warm line trace its way down my gullet. This was one helluva beer.
This was a double-barreled shotgun blast full of coffee flavor. It was as if I grabbed a tablespoonful of Folgers and chewed on it for awhile. To call the middle flavors robust would not be doing this beer ample justice. This tasted like a big beer and at 8.3% ABV it could be classified as just that.
Very dark, burnt and roasted malts filled in around the coffee flavor. As each sip went down, a tinge a chocolatey sweet was dabbed on the sides of my tongue. There was an overall silkiness or creaminess to the beer as well. I’ll credit the oatmeal for that characteristic. Surprisingly, with 60 IBUs as noted on the neck label, the bitterness blends in well with all of the other massive flavors.
I really like beer. This guy does a wonderful job in his beer reviews. Makes me want to go buy a nice stout right now.
289 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:28pm |
291 | Stanley Sea Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:44pm |
Steve - you still here? Just read that Jay Novacek’s wife committed suicide. Ugh.
292 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:48pm |
re: #285 Olsonist
Uh, the Berlin wall didn’t come down under Reagan. It was under Bush.
Looking at the historical mortgage rates:
1979 under Carter: 11.20
1983 under Reagan: 13.24
1987 under Reagan: 10.21
1991 under Bush: 9.25
1995 under Clinton: 7.81
I miss the 90s.
293 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:44:13pm |
re: #249 avanti
Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.
Yeah, that’s the honest thing to do. Coming close to a balanced budget now is impossible due to the things you cite plus declining tax revenue in a down economy.
But when partisans have points to score in a 24/7 cycle, then the deficit becomes “all Obama’s fault as he pushes us toward socialism.”
294 | Irenicum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:45:14pm |
re: #279 Varek Raith
The opening 2 part episode of DS9 was amazing. Very emotional for me, since I related to the main character’s loss so closely. Very well done. And the show had some good character development during its run.
297 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:03pm |
re: #290 tradewind
Neil Patrick Harris.
Oh. Yes. (Sorry, confused threads.) He’s amazing. My husband loves him as Barney in How I Met Your Mother.
298 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:18pm |
299 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:33pm |
300 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:46pm |
re: #287 avanti
Don’t forget, Reagan came in with a bad economy too, once it turned around, his polling went way up. Much of the dissatisfaction with Obama is that it’s not happened as fast as the public likes. If in a year or two, things are much better, he’ll be reelected, if it does not, he’s history.
Obama campaigned against the deficits that Bush created. He hated those deficits so much that he tripled them.
301 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:50pm |
re: #293 palomino
Yeah, that’s the honest thing to do. Coming close to a balanced budget now is impossible due to the things you cite plus declining tax revenue in a down economy.
But when partisans have points to score in a 24/7 cycle, then the deficit becomes “all Obama’s fault as he pushes us toward socialism.”
If Obama wanted to pass the health care bill, he could just not fund it, and cut taxes on the rich and it’ll all be good./
303 | Silvergirl Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:47:12pm |
re: #226 avanti
They may be smart enough, they just don’t relate to over complicated speeches. We remember “It’s the economy stupid” or “drill baby drill”, but not a complicated explanation of economics, or energy policies.
You forgot “Yes we can” And Hope n change.
304 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:47:37pm |
re: #293 palomino
Yeah, that’s the honest thing to do. Coming close to a balanced budget now is impossible due to the things you cite plus declining tax revenue in a down economy.
But when partisans have points to score in a 24/7 cycle, then the deficit becomes “all Obama’s fault as he pushes us toward socialism.”
2006 - Democrats take over Congress. GOP has no power other than veto power.
How was the economy doing right up til 2006?
306 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:47:51pm |
re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist
Good times.
Bill Clinton was a very good president. In retrospect I think Hillary Clinton would have made a fine president.
307 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:13pm |
re: #256 cliffster
ah, yes. It’s Bush’s fault. Now that’s nuance
Well, Bush did support those policies and they’ve contributed to the deficit ever since.
Would you have people ignore recent history and just pretend Bush made no mistakes?
308 | Irenicum Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:26pm |
re: #281 Van Helsing
Blame shifting isn’t just the American way, it’s the human way. It’s beyond bipartisan.
309 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:33pm |
I don’t miss the 90s! Course, I was still in grade school…
:P
310 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:35pm |
re: #306 Gus 802
Bill Clinton was a very good president. In retrospect I think Hillary Clinton would have made a fine president.
Muttermuttermutter…HILLARY!!!!!!
311 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:44pm |
re: #281 Van Helsing
Yes, but all that crap was Carter’s fault. I remember all the speeches Reagan gave - it was always “Carter’s mess here and Carter’s mess there”.
/in case
Excellent. It’s a wunnerful thang, ain’t it? Heh.
312 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:49:09pm |
re: #309 Varek Raith
I don’t miss the 90s! Course, I was still in grade school…
:P
Show off! Why you kids…
//
313 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:49:33pm |
re: #300 Van Helsing
Obama campaigned against the deficits that Bush created. He hated those deficits so much that he tripled them.
I think both he and Bush did what they had to do to save the banks and stimulate the economy. If they had not acted, I think we would have had a much bigger problem.
314 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:49:38pm |
re: #301 avanti
If Obama wanted to pass the health care bill, he could just not fund it, and cut taxes on the rich and it’ll all be good./
Maybe he could just concentrate on ferreting out all the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid.
If he can do that, the voters might have a better chance of believing in the wonders of his health care proposals.
315 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:50:07pm |
re: #300 Van Helsing
And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.
318 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:51:04pm |
re: #285 Olsonist
Uh, the Berlin wall didn’t come down under Reagan. It was under Bush.
Looking at the historical mortgage rates:
1979 under Carter: 11.20
1983 under Reagan: 13.24
1987 under Reagan: 10.21
1991 under Bush: 9.25
1995 under Clinton: 7.81
OK, but I was telling the truth about my two mortgages referenced above. But the only reason they were so low under Clinton is because Newt was the Speaker of the House and he insisted on fiscal responsibility. I miss Newt.
319 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:51:12pm |
SOP, all current problems are blamed on the previous admin. Happens. Every. Time.
Wheee!
320 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:51:55pm |
re: #319 Varek Raith
But the statute of limitations applies, and this one has run. Someone should let the administration know.
321 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:51:59pm |
re: #269 Olsonist
No, it is Obama’s responsibility. He also deserves credit for ending the Recession/Depression he was saddled with by his predecessor. Yeah, now he’s got a big deficit, two wars and double digit unemployment. Big challenges.
Exactly, it’s one thing—entirely legitimate—for republicans to criticize Obama for not taking care of his responsibilities as president.
It’s quite another thing for the gop to rewrite history and claim this is all Obama’s fault, that none of his problems are carryovers from former presidents.
322 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:52:20pm |
re: #315 tradewind
And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.
On the other hand, Bush never admitted to there being any problems, so he really never needed to whine.
323 | Silvergirl Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:52:29pm |
I’m going to go watch my last episode of Pushing Daisies so I can get into tomorrow’s mail.
Good-night!
324 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:52:35pm |
re: #318 rwmofo
OK, but I was telling the truth about my two mortgages referenced above. But the only reason they were so low under Clinton is because Newt was the Speaker of the House and he insisted on fiscal responsibility. I miss Newt.
Good point. Government actually runs rather well with two counter parties in power. One party in congress while another in the White House.
325 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:52:40pm |
re: #301 avanti
If Obama wanted to pass the health care bill, he could just not fund it, and cut taxes on the rich and it’ll all be good./
I’m totally cool with an unfunded health bill:
end preexisting conditions exclusion (doesn’t cost anything)
tort reform (doesn’t cost anything)
tax cadillac plans (opposite of costs something)
Done.
326 | The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:53:09pm |
Bush inherited the Clinton recession, but we probably should not speak of that. The recover was, well, just not fair you know…
327 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:53:13pm |
re: #318 rwmofo
The only reason Clinton had a halfway successful presidency is that Newt Gingrich forced it on him.//
328 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:53:30pm |
re: #307 palomino
Well, Bush did support those policies and they’ve contributed to the deficit ever since.
Would you have people ignore recent history and just pretend Bush made no mistakes?
The discussion was about how Obama is too “nuanced”. It’s Bush’s Fault is not very nuanced. It’s all about following the thread.
329 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:53:44pm |
re: #315 tradewind
And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.
If he was a real fiscal conservative, he would not have signed off on unfunded programs and cut taxes in a down economy and while fighting two wars. If he had just passed on the tax cut for the rich, he might have not used up the surplus, or at least left a smaller debt.
330 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:54:01pm |
re: #315 tradewind
And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.
We’re still recovering from 911.
Damn those bastards.
331 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:54:09pm |
re: #315 tradewind
Indeed.
I do believe that the bank bailouts were necessary. I don’t think I can be convinced that the stimulus spending has done any good.
I think that what got us through the 80s and early 2000 recessions was having more confidence in the path the government was taking.
333 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:54:56pm |
re: #261 Varek Raith
I need a new Trek series that doesn’t suck…
:(
Why should they start doing that now? They have a winning formula of suck that has worked for decades.
/hater
334 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:08pm |
re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist
On the other hand, Bush never admitted to there being any problems, so he really never needed to whine.
That’s just silly. But then again, you know that.
336 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:22pm |
Cynic mode ON!
Dems = Raise taxes and SPEND!
Reps = Cut taxes and SPEND!
;)
/Cynic mode
337 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:23pm |
re: #319 Varek Raith
SOP, all current problems are blamed on the previous admin. Happens. Every. Time.
Wheee!
Bush never blamed Clinton for the surplus, but otherwise, you are correct.
338 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:31pm |
re: #329 avanti
No one can convince me that Bush was a fiscal conservative, unfortunately. But it’s a known fact that cutting tax rates raises revenues, something the Democrats have never grasped…. that is, post JFK. He got it.
339 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:44pm |
340 | Dad O' Blondes Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:48pm |
re: #281 Van Helsing
Yes, but all that crap was Carter’s fault. I remember all the speeches Reagan gave - it was always “Carter’s mess here and Carter’s mess there”.
/in case
Bingo — it sure was Carter’s fault. And every time he opens his mouth, he proves just what a ninny he is.
.
341 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:52pm |
342 | The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:56:06pm |
re: #329 avanti
If he was a real fiscal conservative, he would not have signed off on unfunded programs and cut taxes in a down economy and while fighting two wars. If he had just passed on the tax cut for the rich, he might have not used up the surplus, or at least left a smaller debt.
Bush was not a fiscal conservative and never claimed same. Much to the chagrin of many on the right.
343 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:56:23pm |
re: #337 avanti
Bush never blamed Clinton for the surplus, but otherwise, you are correct.
We were in a recession going into the Bush administration. This much is true.
344 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:56:41pm |
re: #336 Varek Raith
Cynic mode ON!
Dems = Raise taxes and SPEND!
Reps = Cut taxes and SPEND!
;)
/Cynic mode
Sadly, that’s it, in a nutshell.
345 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:57:23pm |
re: #318 rwmofo
OK, but I was telling the truth about my two mortgages referenced above. But the only reason they were so low under Clinton is because Newt was the Speaker of the House and he insisted on fiscal responsibility. I miss Newt.
I didn’t say you weren’t. Mortgages vary. But those were the national averages for Freddie Mac.
Nope, Newt was not the Secretary of the Treasury nor was he on the Federal Reserve Board. Newt was exceptional in creating a winning strategy for breaking the long running Democratic hold on the House. But once in power, he really didn’t accomplish much. The government shutdown was a self serving failure. The people did *not* rally to his side. He was reprimanded by his own House. Basically he was a failure at governance.
346 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:57:44pm |
Sigh, I feel a Trekkie rant coming over me….
:)
347 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:57:49pm |
348 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:58:25pm |
re: #304 cliffster
2006 - Democrats take over Congress. GOP has no power other than veto power.
How was the economy doing right up til 2006?
You’ve got a good grasp on your revisionist history and talking points.
Please explain what the Dems did in 2007-early 2008 that destroyed an economy being previously saved by the GOP? And where was Bush in all this?
349 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:58:52pm |
re: #337 avanti
Nor did he whine about the recession Clinton left him coming in.//
350 | Van Helsing Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:58:57pm |
re: #340 Dad O’ Blondes
Bingo — it sure was Carter’s fault. And every time he opens his mouth, he proves just what a ninny he is.
.
He recently admitted that the “Peace, not Apartheid” title of his book was somewhat of a mistake.
I’m sure it had nothing to do with a nephews(?) bid for office.
If only Jimmy had just STFU and kept hammering nails with Habitat…
351 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:59:23pm |
re: #285 Olsonist
Uh, the Berlin wall didn’t come down under Reagan. It was under Bush.
Looking at the historical mortgage rates:
1979 under Carter: 11.20
1983 under Reagan: 13.24
1987 under Reagan: 10.21
1991 under Bush: 9.25
1995 under Clinton: 7.81
One more thing. That’s a strange statistical sample you’re using. Every four years can’t really show the peaks and valleys - well except for the downward trends that Reagan created. Ya figure Reagan came in in 1981 and any results from legislation he signed wouldn’t take effect until 1982, so Carter’s boat-anchor is buried between ‘79 and ‘81. By 1983 Reagan had reversed Carter’s mess.
352 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:00:29pm |
re: #351 rwmofo
It was every four years at the end of a Presidential term. So 1979 was definitely Carter, 1983 was Reagan, …
353 | The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:01:32pm |
re: #344 avanti
Sadly, that’s it, in a nutshell.
Both points well taken. So now we have the Dems furtively casting about for stealth taxes, and the Pubs hiding from reality.
Not a one anywhere willing to put the kaibosh on the check book.
354 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:01:33pm |
re: #343 cliffster
We were in a recession going into the Bush administration. This much is true.
Ah, the famous, Clinton recession of lore.
355 | Dad O' Blondes Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:02:17pm |
Well kids,
A long time ago, way back in November, 2008 - I did post here that there would come a day when we, all of us, would miss President George Herbert Walker Bush.
And after watching Obama on You Tube, I miss “W” more than ever.
Oh, by the way, just where is KSM being tried now? Is it West Point? Or is it White Plains?
Pfft.
.
356 | tradewind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:02:22pm |
Goodnight…out like the Dem majority in ‘10….
357 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:03:47pm |
re: #328 cliffster
The discussion was about how Obama is too “nuanced”. It’s Bush’s Fault is not very nuanced. It’s all about following the thread.
Wrong, this thread like most others is about a lot of things at once and constantly shifting.
Don’t presume to the definer (or “decider” if you prefer) of the meaning of a thread.
358 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:03:47pm |
re: #324 Gus 802
Good point. Government actually runs rather well with two counter parties in power. One party in congress while another in the White House.
I’ve thought about that. If I could have two out of three, I’d want a Republican President and House and a Democrat Senate.
359 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:04:50pm |
360 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:04:59pm |
re: #355 Dad O’ Blondes
Well kids,
A long time ago, way back in November, 2008 - I did post here that there would come a day when we, all of us, would miss President George Herbert Walker Bush.
And after watching Obama on You Tube, I miss “W” more than ever.
Oh, by the way, just where is KSM being tried now? Is it West Point? Or is it White Plains?
Pfft.
.
The only reason why KSM isn’t being tried in New Jack City where he should be is because of weak kneed conservatives.
361 | The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:05:31pm |
re: #355 Dad O’ Blondes
Well kids,
A long time ago, way back in November, 2008 - I did post here that there would come a day when we, all of us, would miss President George Herbert Walker Bush.
And after watching Obama on You Tube, I miss “W” more than ever.
Oh, by the way, just where is KSM being tried now? Is it West Point? Or is it White Plains?
Pfft.
.
If the President really wants a show trial, as evidently he does, he will turn KSM and his buds over the Judge Judy. Let’s see them pull some shit there, ey?
362 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:05:45pm |
re: #360 Olsonist
The only reason why KSM isn’t being tried in New Jack City where he should be is because of weak kneed conservatives.
Hell, try the bastard in Arlington.
363 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:05:57pm |
Wow. Didn’t expect this.
France Concorde crash trial set to begin
Looks like they’re trying to pin the blame on a Continental DC-10. Connie mechanic, Concorde engineer, et al. Manslaughter charges.
364 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:05:59pm |
re: #337 avanti
Bush never blamed Clinton for the surplus, but otherwise, you are correct.
Heh. Good one. Never heard it put that way.
I’ll remember you.
/
365 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:06:04pm |
re: #338 tradewind
No one can convince me that Bush was a fiscal conservative, unfortunately. But it’s a known fact that cutting tax rates raises revenues, something the Democrats have never grasped… that is, post JFK. He got it.
Only up to a certain point and only in certain economic conditions.
Try cutting the top marginal rate down to 10%, and see if you raise revenues.//
366 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:06:36pm |
re: #357 palomino
Wrong, this thread like most others is about a lot of things at once and constantly shifting.
Don’t presume to the definer (or “decider” if you prefer) of the meaning of a thread.
Your interpretation of thread and mine are different in this case. Call it a subthread. I was responding to someone’s comment. Then you jumped in with something unrelated. So thread = “what we were talking about”. Don’t presume to define what it is that I am talking about
367 | The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:06:43pm |
re: #360 Olsonist
The only reason why KSM isn’t being tried in New Jack City where he should be is because of weak kneed conservatives.
What an odd declaration.
368 | Eclectic Infidel Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:07:06pm |
re: #34 webevintage
It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.
Which is much appreciated by people like me who stand at 5’6”.
369 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:07:25pm |
re: #358 rwmofo
I’ve thought about that. If I could have two out of three, I’d want a Republican President and House and a Democrat Senate.
That works. I’d take Harry Reid over Nancy Pelosi any day.
370 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:08:22pm |
re: #360 Olsonist
The only reason why KSM isn’t being tried in New Jack City where he should be is because of weak kneed conservatives.
Wrong. He’s not being tried there because it would be very disruptive to get the needed level of security. You can’t have the area around the Federal Courthouse under ultra-tight security for months on end, the disruption of commerce and traffic are simply too severe. Much better to hold the trial in a more secure location.
371 | rwmofo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:08:47pm |
re: #345 Olsonist
I didn’t say you weren’t. Mortgages vary. But those were the national averages for Freddie Mac.
Nope, Newt was not the Secretary of the Treasury nor was he on the Federal Reserve Board. Newt was exceptional in creating a winning strategy for breaking the long running Democratic hold on the House. But once in power, he really didn’t accomplish much. The government shutdown was a self serving failure. The people did *not* rally to his side. He was reprimanded by his own House. Basically he was a failure at governance.
Ummm, I think balancing the budget was a considerable accomplishment.
I look forward to sparring with you another day. It just hit midnight CST here.
372 | avanti Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:09:21pm |
re: #369 Gus 802
That works. I’d take Harry Reid over Nancy Pelosi any day.
I’d take most anyone over Nancy myself, I’m not a fan.
373 | srb1976 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:09:53pm |
re: #368 eclectic infidel
Which is much appreciated by people like me who stand at 5’6”.
Hell, from where I’m standing 5’6” is tall….I have a co-worker who is nearly 7’ tall….he has to bend nearly double to hear what I’m saying (high background noise level)
374 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:10:09pm |
re: #369 Gus 802
That works. I’d take Harry Reid over Nancy Pelosi any day.
Who wouldn’t? Reid can be negotiated with, Pelosi is a liberal ideologue.
375 | The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:10:26pm |
re: #362 Varek Raith
Hell, try the bastard in Arlington.
I’d try him in Marshall, Texas. No press allowed. Y’all get an invite to the execution though. Should cost about a hundred bucks, a few hours, and that includes parking and lunch for the jury.
/what in the hell is wrong with us.
376 | Dad O' Blondes Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:10:27pm |
re: #362 Varek Raith
Damn right.
KSM should be tried on the CVN Ronald Reagan. 50 miles off Manhattan. And 45 miles south of Ambrose Light.
It’d be over in two days.
And we’d even hear the news that he was hung from a yardarm.
And that, is as it should be.
.
377 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:10:53pm |
re: #374 Dark_Falcon
Who wouldn’t? Reid can be negotiated with, Pelosi is a liberal ideologue.
Exactly. That’s what I noticed about Reid.
378 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:12:15pm |
re: #366 cliffster
Your interpretation of thread and mine are different in this case. Call it a subthread. I was responding to someone’s comment. Then you jumped in with something unrelated. So thread = “what we were talking about”. Don’t presume to define what it is that I am talking about
Really, in the relatively chaotic environment of a comment board, you want to play hall monitor?
379 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:12:42pm |
re: #370 Dark_Falcon
Wrong. He’s not being tried there because it would be very disruptive to get the needed level of security. You can’t have the area around the Federal Courthouse under ultra-tight security for months on end, the disruption of commerce and traffic are simply too severe. Much better to hold the trial in a more secure location.
We’ve tried several other AQ types in NYC. This guy is no different. Weak kneed conservatives.
380 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:12:50pm |
re: #378 palomino
Really, in the relatively chaotic environment of a comment board, you want to play hall monitor?
Yes, you shall submit to my authority.
381 | palomino Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:13:57pm |
382 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:14:06pm |
383 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:14:16pm |
re: #374 Dark_Falcon
Who wouldn’t? Reid can be negotiated with, Pelosi is a liberal ideologue.
Wrong. Pelosi is Speaker of the House which is winner take all. The majority pretty much does what it wants. Reid is Majority Leader of the Senate where the minority has significant power and any single Senator can derail legislation and appointments. Mrs. Apple meet Mr. Orange.
384 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:14:41pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
But the writer’s strike gave us Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog!
Bad Horse
He rides across the nation
The thoroughbred of sin
385 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:14:55pm |
386 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:17:16pm |
re: #376 Dad O’ Blondes
Damn right.
KSM should be tried on the CVN Ronald Reagan. 50 miles off Manhattan. And 45 miles south of Ambrose Light.
It’d be over in two days.
And we’d even hear the news that he was hung from a yardarm.
And that, is as it should be.
.
That probably wouldn’t work. The USS Ronald Reagan is 5th and 7th Fleet. You would need the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower which would be part of the 2nd Fleet out of Norfolk.
/
387 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:17:56pm |
388 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:19:56pm |
Man, monthly manga releases are torturous!
:/
389 | laZardo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:20:49pm |
re: #388 Varek Raith
Man, monthly manga releases are torturous!
:/
That’s why I stopped buying back in ‘06. Although I would like to get the last two volumes of Chobits.
/so, so ronery…
390 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:20:53pm |
re: #383 Olsonist
More relevant, IMO, is the fact that Pelosi represents a very liberal district in San Fransisco, while Reid represents the much more conservative state of Nevada.
391 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:21:30pm |
392 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:21:32pm |
re: #387 Dark_Falcon
Corrected to remove liberal spin.
Sorry, but when you’re agreeing with Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, you don’t get to use the adjective sane.
393 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:22:11pm |
Wow. How come no one told me they were making a movie mocking far right reactionaries?
/
394 | srb1976 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:23:15pm |
re: #393 Slumbering Behemoth
Now, to be fair, there is plenty of crazy to go around….on both sides….
395 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:23:19pm |
re: #390 Dark_Falcon
More relevant, IMO, is the fact that Pelosi represents a very liberal district in San Fransisco, while Reid represents the much more conservative state of Nevada.
I don’t think you know San Francisco very well. It hasn’t had a gay mayor. Houston has.
396 | laZardo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:23:28pm |
re: #393 Slumbering Behemoth
Wow. How come no one told me they were remaking a movie mocking far right reactionaries?
/wth is it with the George Romero fixation these days?
397 | blueraven Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:25:20pm |
re: #315 tradewind
And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.
And then he took a completely rational turn and attacked a country that had nothing to do with that event (9-11). That didn’t blow the budget much. /
398 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:25:32pm |
re: #395 Olsonist
I don’t think you know San Francisco very well. It hasn’t had a gay mayor. Houston has.
You forgot Harvey Milk.
399 | laZardo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:25:54pm |
re: #395 Olsonist
I don’t think you know San Francisco very well. It hasn’t had a gay mayor. Houston has.
It had (sorta), then he got shot.
/and then Sean Penn made a movie about it.
401 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:26:18pm |
re: #392 Olsonist
Sorry, but when you’re agreeing with Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, you don’t get to use the adjective sane.
So because I’m arguing against a trial in downtown Manhattan, I’m somehow weak-kneed or crazy? Nice. Stay classy, Olsonist, keep showing how reasonable liberals are.
402 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:27:16pm |
re: #398 Gus 802
You forgot Harvey Milk.
Did I? Was he mayor? Actually that was Moscone then Feinstein then Jordan then Brown then Newsome.
403 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:27:26pm |
re: #392 Olsonist
Book tentatively titled “Of Stopped Clocks & Blind Squirrels”.
Honestly though, I don’t give a shit where they try that motherfucker, I just wish they’d just do it and get it the fuck over with. I am getting sick and tired of hearing all the gawt-damned whining from both sides of the aisle on this issue.
404 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:27:33pm |
Anywho, the point stands. Harry Reid is easier to deal with than Nancy Pelosi.
405 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:27:40pm |
re: #392 Olsonist
Sorry, but when you’re agreeing with Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, you don’t get to use the adjective sane.
I don’t like this style of arguing. Beck thinks the sky’s blue! So do I. Therefore I’m…crazy???
406 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:29:48pm |
re: #405 Varek Raith
I don’t like this style of arguing. Beck thinks the sky’s blue! So do I. Therefore I’m…crazy???
You oppose Keynesian economics! Therefore you must be for the Austrian school if not Lew Rockwell!
407 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:29:59pm |
re: #404 Gus 802
Anywho, the point stands. Harry Reid is easier to deal with than Nancy Pelosi.
Actually, I totally agree. But Pelosi by the nature of her office doesn’t really have to deal. Neither did Newt or whomever.
408 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:30:38pm |
re: #406 Gus 802
You oppose Keynesian economics! Therefore you must be for the Austrian school if not Lew Rockwell!
ZOMG!!111 I…wait, don’t scare me like that!111!
:)
409 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:31:02pm |
re: #405 Varek Raith
I don’t like this style of arguing. Beck thinks the sky’s blue! So do I. Therefore I’m…crazy???
I’m pretty sure the sky is blue but if you say that Beck says it’s blue, I’m gonna check again.
410 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:32:19pm |
re: #407 Olsonist
Actually, I totally agree. But Pelosi by the nature of her office doesn’t really have to deal. Neither did Newt or whomever.
OK Technically she has less power. But she’s taken the leadership role upon herself and gets a great deal of air time. Frankly, I think she’s a huge liability for the Democratic party and if they were smart they’d replace her pronto.
411 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:32:59pm |
re: #409 Olsonist
I’m pretty sure the sky is blue but if you say that Beck says it’s blue, I’m gonna check again.
Yeah, see, that gets downright silly. Beck say we need oxygen. He probably thinks we need food. Bathrooms?
See, silly!
:)
412 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:33:36pm |
re: #394 srb1976
Now, to be fair, there is plenty of crazy to go around…on both sides…
I wouldn’t disagree with you in the slightest. Yet it seems the far right wing reactionaries (always have been crazy, always will) have cranked up their crazy factor way past eleven.
413 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:34:17pm |
re: #412 Slumbering Behemoth
I wouldn’t disagree with you in the slightest. Yet it seems the far right wing reactionaries (always have been crazy, always will) have cranked up their crazy factor way past eleven.
Currently standing at; Eleventy-one!11!11
415 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:35:47pm |
re: #411 Varek Raith
Yeah, see, that gets downright silly. Beck say we need oxygen. He probably thinks we need food. Bathrooms?
See, silly!
:)
Is that like those awkward moments when one finds themselves acknowledging the existence of an oligarchy?
416 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:36:24pm |
re: #401 Dark_Falcon
So because I’m arguing against a trial in downtown Manhattan, I’m somehow weak-kneed or crazy? Nice. Stay classy, Olsonist, keep showing how reasonable liberals are.
This is a nontroversy stirred up by the Reps. They (you) could just try the guy and get it over with. But for political reasons you don’t want to do that. So y’all stir it up with the typical fear mongering.
New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.
417 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:36:43pm |
re: #415 Gus 802
Is that like those awkward moments when one finds themselves acknowledging the existence of an oligarchy?
Oligarhy!… Yes, something like that.
:)
418 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:36:44pm |
re: #405 Varek Raith
I don’t like this style of arguing. Beck thinks the sky’s blue! So do I. Therefore I’m…crazy???
No, you’re crazy ‘cuz you think Star Trek is cool. But you knew that already.
:)
419 | srb1976 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:37:00pm |
re: #412 Slumbering Behemoth
I wouldn’t disagree with you in the slightest. Yet it seems the far right wing reactionaries (always have been crazy, always will) have cranked up their crazy factor way past eleven.
That’s true enough…..
421 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:38:16pm |
re: #417 Varek Raith
Oligarhy!… Yes, something like that.
:)
You know it will be a couple of decades before we elect a president that graduated from Stockton State College.
/
422 | TheMatrix31 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:39:21pm |
re: #416 Olsonist
Is EVERYTHING we’re against just a “nontroversy” now?
423 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:40:34pm |
re: #419 srb1976
That’s true enough…
Yay! I win! In yo face!
/wait, we weren’t arguing???
Yay! We win! In… someone else’s face!
424 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:41:11pm |
re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth
Yay! I win! In yo face!
/wait, we weren’t arguing???Yay! We win! In… someone else’s face!
Hey, Hey! Put your clothes back on!11!!1
:)
425 | laZardo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:41:22pm |
re: #421 Gus 802
You know it will be a couple of decades before we elect a president that graduated from Stockton State College.
/
Or a foreign college.
/ >:3
426 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:41:55pm |
re: #416 Olsonist
This is a nontroversy stirred up by the Reps. They (you) could just try the guy and get it over with. But for political reasons you don’t want to do that. So y’all stir it up with the typical fear mongering.
New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.
It’s not just political reasons, as I’ve said repeatedly. There are major security issues with this trial (which is of a bigger fish than any we’ve tried here-to-fore), and holding it in New York would be disruptive to traffic and commerce. Moreover, I think giving KSM and Co a civilian trial at all is a mistake. I favor a military tribunal at Gitmo.
427 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:42:32pm |
re: #422 TheMatrix31
Is EVERYTHING we’re against just a “nontroversy” now?
No, but where the most powerful country in world history tries a two bit terrorist that we have in captivity is a nontroversy. If the AG says NYC is a good location then it’s a good location.
New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.
428 | srb1976 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:42:34pm |
re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth
Yay! I win! In yo face!
/wait, we weren’t arguing???Yay! We win! In… someone else’s face!
I don’t argue much…try to be reasonable…or quiet, mostly (unless you ask better half)
429 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:42:53pm |
re: #395 Olsonist
I don’t think you know San Francisco very well. It hasn’t had a gay mayor. Houston has.
Portland came first!
430 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:42:58pm |
re: #426 Dark_Falcon
New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.
431 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:43:07pm |
re: #425 laZardo
Or a foreign college.
/ >:3
Who knows. That might do us some good.
Maybe not. It would be fraught with controversy. If not the empirical row.
/
433 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:45:13pm |
re: #422 TheMatrix31
Is EVERYTHING we’re against just a “nontroversy” now?
I wouldn’t call the KSM thing a nontroversy, I would however call it hypocrisy to hit the roof about KSM when there was no attention paid to other terrorists tried in civilian courts under Republican administrations.
As for me, I don’t really care either way, it’s going to be a political football whether they try him in Manhattan, in Topeka, or on Mars, whether it’s federal judges, military tribunals, or the Skull and Bones society.
434 | TheMatrix31 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:45:23pm |
re: #427 Olsonist
A) Attorney Generals are not infallible.
B) KSM is a piece of shit who shouldn’t see the light of day in a civilian court. The rights he’s being afforded were the very right that he and his backwards cohorts were trying to bring down on September 11th, 2001.
C) It’s a major security concern, and it’s going to cost a TON.
D) You want to give this son of a bitch open forum to say whatever he wants? Wow, well…ok.
E) Discovery.
I can go on and on and on, but for fear of someone suggesting I should just move to North Korea…I’ll stop.
435 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:45:45pm |
re: #430 Olsonist
New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.
Wasn’t Guiliani bragging about NYC trying those guys?
436 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:46:14pm |
re: #433 WindUpBird
I wouldn’t call the KSM thing a nontroversy, I would however call it hypocrisy to hit the roof about KSM when there was no attention paid to other terrorists tried in civilian courts under Republican administrations.
As for me, I don’t really care either way, it’s going to be a political football whether they try him in Manhattan, in Topeka, or on Mars, whether it’s federal judges, military tribunals, or the
Skull and Bones societyTRILATERAL COMMISSION11!11!1.
;)
438 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:47:04pm |
re: #428 srb1976
I don’t argue much…try to be reasonable…or quiet, mostly (unless you ask better half)
I’m sure if I asked your better half, she’d say “Your damn right he’s quiet, and he better stay that way if he knows what’s good for ‘im”.
/just teasing, of course
439 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:48:40pm |
re: #434 TheMatrix31
A) Attorney Generals are not infallible.
B) KSM is a piece of shit who shouldn’t see the light of day in a civilian court. The rights he’s being afforded were the very right that he and his backwards cohorts were trying to bring down on September 11th, 2001.
C) It’s a major security concern, and it’s going to cost a TON.
D) You want to give this son of a bitch open forum to say whatever he wants? Wow, well…ok.
E) Discovery.
I can go on and on and on, but for fear of someone suggesting I should just move to North Korea…I’ll stop.
A) no human or human institution on earth is infallible
B) this is a nation of laws, not revenge, you don’t get to suspend the laws of America because someone is working against the laws of America. That would mean that many criminals by virtue of the fact that they committed crimes, no longer get a fair trial (not that I think he’s getting that fair a trial either way, don’t even worry about it, the dude will be found guilty, I’d bet my GTI on it)
C) valid concern, Bloomberg has areason to balk on it
D) I seriously doubt that he’s going to be allowed to grandstand
E) confidential and classified, no way sensitive information is just going to be fired all over CNN
440 | srb1976 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:48:50pm |
re: #438 Slumbering Behemoth
I’m sure if I asked your better half, she’d say “Your damn right he’s quiet, and he better stay that way if he knows what’s good for ‘im”.
/just teasing, of course
Got it backwards…better half is the him…..I’m the little wife = )
441 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:49:19pm |
re: #437 laZardo
Gonna get me a drink.
At 2 in the afternoon. :D
BBL.
I have a tasty Unibroue winter ale! Best belgian style brewer in North America. Of course, it’s 11pm here.. :D
442 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:49:24pm |
re: #440 srb1976
Got it backwards…better half is the him…I’m the little wife = )
Run, SB, RUN!11!!
;)
443 | TheMatrix31 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:50:09pm |
re: #439 WindUpBird
B)….KSM wasn’t captured on US soil. He was captured as an enemy combatant. Therefore, he has no right to a civilian trial.
444 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:50:16pm |
A) Attorney Generals are not infallible.
But they have a better track record than conservative talk show hosts.
B) KSM is a piece of shit who shouldn’t see the light of day in a civilian court. The rights he’s being afforded were the very right that he and his backwards cohorts were trying to bring down on September 11th, 2001.
Absolutely. American justice works.
C) It’s a major security concern, and it’s going to cost a TON.
No more than it did for Yousef and Rahman.
D) You want to give this son of a bitch open forum to say whatever he wants? Wow, well…ok.
I could give a shit was this piece of trash has to say.
E) Discovery.
Consistent with standard security protocols, absolutely. American justice works.
446 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:51:38pm |
re: #430 Olsonist
New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.
That was then, this is now. The Islamist threat is far more severe now. Given the risk of terrorist attack, I’d rather locate the trial in a more isolated secure area.
447 | Gus Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:51:53pm |
Change of venue. The security requirements for the KSM trial in the Southern District of New York were too constraining requiring checkpoints and sharp shooters. Even Mayor Bloomberg stated his objections to it and in a rare moment I found myself in agreement with King Bloomberg.
Trial will probably go to Virginia. He’ll either get the death penalty or spend the rest of his life in ADX Florence.
448 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:52:04pm |
449 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:52:42pm |
re: #436 Varek Raith
;)
Tap the Center For Disease Control to supply Relief to one Devastated Nation card per turn. If the CDC makes a direct attack to destroy a Place card, it can use biological warfare and get a +15 to its attack. If the ttack fails, the CDC is discarded. :D
450 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:53:11pm |
re: #444 Olsonist
Consistent with standard security protocols, absolutely. American justice works.
I don’t agree with your argument, but that was well structured and respectful. Upding.
451 | AlexRogan Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:53:25pm |
re: #123 MandyManners
Ooops.
This post means that LVQ has the right to say “Fuck you, bitch” to me.
Or, does itl.
WTH did that come from, Mandy? After the flame war on steroids the other night, I gotta downding you for this…
452 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:53:39pm |
re: #444 Olsonist
Consistent with standard security protocols, absolutely. American justice works.
This is really the nut. Either you believe in our system of justice or you don’t. I believe in our system of justice. it’s fallible, but it still works pretty well.
453 | srb1976 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:54:01pm |
re: #448 Slumbering Behemoth
Nope, that just means I take more clothes off. Hmmm.. painted myself in a corner here… do eyeglasses count as clothes? That’s all I’ve got left.
I’m not sure….
My 5 year old has been running around most of the day in nothing but a blanket (worn as a cape) and a pair of swimming goggles…….would he be dressed or undressed?
454 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:56:27pm |
re: #446 Dark_Falcon
That was then, this is now. The Islamist threat is far more severe now. Given the risk of terrorist attack, I’d rather locate the trial in a more isolated secure area.
I don’t know where you live but I live in the United States of America, the most power country in the motherfucking history of the world. I don’t fear the terrorists and I don’t watch fucking 24. I have a lot more faith in the Federal professional prosecutors than you do.
This is not a big thing. This is a big political thing.
455 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:56:56pm |
re: #443 TheMatrix31
B)…KSM wasn’t captured on US soil. He was captured as an enemy combatant. Therefore, he has no right to a civilian trial.
Absolutely right, and if I may add, he’s an unlawful combatant. Still, the genie is now out of the bottle, and it can’t be put back in. I just wish they’d get this the fuck over with, so people on both sides would stop their insipid whining.
To those worried about it turning into a show trial, a circus. Too late. Because of all this damn whining, it already is. Let’s get it over with already.
456 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:58:34pm |
re: #443 TheMatrix31
B)…KSM wasn’t captured on US soil. He was captured as an enemy combatant. Therefore, he has no right to a civilian trial.
Like I said, I PERSONALLY have no dog in this argument, the idea of him being tried by military tribunal doesn’t bother me that much. I do think trying him in a civilian court would stick it to Al Qaida and terrorists everywhere way more than some secret tribunal thing. Winning the war of ideas and all that, perception being reality in politics.
But it seems like it’s sort of a partisan distinction for political reasons, talking points and fuel for angry bearded gentlemen who spit into microphones for a living, and not as much a legitimate distinction. He’ll be found guilty as hell either way.
If the problem is NEW YORK, the screw it, try him in that vault in Utah where they keep all the Mormon records.
457 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:58:55pm |
re: #449 WindUpBird
Tap the Center For Disease Control to supply Relief to one Devastated Nation card per turn. If the CDC makes a direct attack to destroy a Place card, it can use biological warfare and get a +15 to its attack. If the ttack fails, the CDC is discarded. :D
“FEMA Camps!!1” Card: If the Party in power moves to set up disaster relief sites in an emergency, the party out of power can play the “FEMA Camps!!1” card to send its base into a Frenzy for the following turn, after which it loses a credibility point (if it has any) for screaming about a conspriracy theory.
458 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:59:30pm |
re: #453 srb1976
I’m not sure…
My 5 year old has been running around most of the day in nothing but a blanket (worn as a cape) and a pair of swimming goggles…would he be dressed or undressed?
Answer number three: He’s more dressed than me. ;)
459 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:59:48pm |
re: #455 Slumbering Behemoth
Absolutely right, and if I may add, he’s an unlawful combatant. Still, the genie is now out of the bottle, and it can’t be put back in. I just wish they’d get this the fuck over with, so people on both sides would stop their insipid whining.
To those worried about it turning into a show trial, a circus. Too late. Because of all this damn whining, it already is. Let’s get it over with already.
Nothing says, “we pay lip service to justice” to the world like, well, whatever trial we’re about to have. Let’s put our worst foot forward, shall we?
460 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:00:12pm |
re: #446 Dark_Falcon
That was then, this is now. The Islamist threat is far more severe now. Given the risk of terrorist attack, I’d rather locate the trial in a more isolated secure area.
The Islamist threat ism more severe NOW than it was at 9.11 or the height of the Iraq war? Where’s this coming from?
No snark, I just want to know where your conclusion comes from, because it’s sort of the opposite of this blog’s conventional wisdom, which is that the threat is less severe.
462 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:00:35pm |
re: #454 Olsonist
I’d have more faith in the prosecutors in Eric Holder weren’t AG.
463 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:00:47pm |
re: #457 Dark_Falcon
“FEMA Camps!!1” Card: If the Party in power moves to set up disaster relief sites in an emergency, the party out of power can play the “FEMA Camps!!1” card to send its base into a Frenzy for the following turn, after which it loses a credibility point (if it has any) for screaming about a conspriracy theory.
I’m referencing a real game card, dammit ;-)
464 | cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:01:02pm |
465 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:01:13pm |
re: #462 Dark_Falcon
I’d have more faith in the prosecutors in Eric Holder weren’t AG.
Who would you rather have as AG, and why is Holder not qualified?
466 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:01:43pm |
re: #462 Dark_Falcon
I’d have more faith in the prosecutors in Eric Holder weren’t AG.
Big Gonzales fan are you?
467 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:02:05pm |
re: #460 WindUpBird
The Islamist threat ism more severe NOW than it was at 9.11 or the height of the Iraq war? Where’s this coming from?
No snark, I just want to know where your conclusion comes from, because it’s sort of the opposite of this blog’s conventional wisdom, which is that the threat is less severe.
The trials of those two took place in the 90’s. The treat is greater now than it was then, but less than it was earlier in this decade.
468 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:03:05pm |
re: #466 Olsonist
Big Gonzales fan are you?
No, he was a buffoon. But I liked and respected Ashcroft and Murkasy.
469 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:04:25pm |
re: #465 WindUpBird
Who would you rather have as AG,
Rudy Giuliani. There, I said it. No sarc.
and why is Holder not qualified?
A.C.O.R.N., duh!
/sarc
470 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:05:08pm |
re: #467 Dark_Falcon
The trials of those two took place in the 90’s. The treat is greater now than it was then, but less than it was earlier in this decade.
It seems like it’s still within the realm of “we can try him in New York”. But like I said, i don’t feel very strongly either way.
I mean if we were currently suffering through IRA levels of domestic terrorism all the time, I’d say, fuck yeah, try him in a bomb shelter a mile deep. But we’re not. I think if we get hit again, it’s not going to be because of the KSM trial, it’ll be something that was in the works for years and years. Or it’ll be some lone loon like the underpants gnome.
471 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:06:28pm |
re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth
A.C.O.R.N., duh!
/sarc
Okay, I have no problem with Guiliani as an AG. As presidential candidate, he was cringe-inducing, as top lawyer, I’d say game on. I would have waa-a-a-a-ay rather have had him than Gonzales.
I have zero problem with Holder, I think a lot of the attacks on him are just partisan.
472 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:07:48pm |
re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth
Giuliani like Spitzer completely flamed out in the political arena.
473 | simoom Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:09:21pm |
re: #387 Dark_Falcon
Sane minded conservatives.
Corrected to remove liberal spin.
Though oddly that “sanity” only manifested after President Obama assumed office. Before then the exact same people who are currently terrifying Americans (with dark fantasies of terrorists kidnapping children near trials; defendants being released into the US or somehow escaping; and massive retaliatory strikes) were singing the praises of near identical trials and incarcerations.
It could almost make you believe they’re demagoguing the issue purely for political gain…
An obvious example is now frequent critic of the federal trials, Rudy Giuliani. Here he is on the Zacarias Moussaoui trial, in 2006:
“… I was in awe of our system,” the former mayor continued. “It does demonstrate that we can give people a fair trial, that we are exactly what we say we are. We are a nation of law… . I think he’s going to be a symbol of American justice.”
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But the former mayor added: “If you believe in this system, you have to be willing to agree with conclusions that you would not share.“The greater value I think would have been if he was executed. But the greater value is demonstrating what America is like.
“America won tonight,” he said, arguing that the United States had upheld the worth of its legal system in the eyes of the world.
474 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:11:20pm |
re: #472 Olsonist
Giuliani like Spitzer completely flamed out in the political arena.
He didn’t flame out like Spitzer the video-game hating, prostitute patronizing hypocrite. He ran a weak campaign, and failed to impress. He’d still make a great AG, IMO.
475 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:12:00pm |
re: #468 Dark_Falcon
No, he was a buffoon. But I liked and respected Ashcroft and Murkasy.
My problem with Ashcroft is until 9/11 he was far more interested in plying his social conservative agenda and going bonkers against prostitution. Also he lost to a dead man in an election. Also, not so impressed with his stance against desegregation. I will give him props for standing his ground in the hospital about the spy program. Good for him. At least he was up to the job.
Gonzales is a fucking fool, and anyone who accepted that man as being qualified for the job is a blind partisan or just not paying attention. Like whatsherface being nominated for SCOTUS. One of the dumbest things Bush ever did.
476 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:12:41pm |
478 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:14:01pm |
re: #473 simoom
Rudy Guiliani has not been impressing me lately with his FLAT OUT BALD FACED LIES about Obama’s state of the union speech.
Earth to Rudy, there are these things called cameras, they’re enchanted talismans that can record a man’s words…
479 | Stonemason Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:14:21pm |
re: #473 simoom
On August 16, 2001, Moussaoui was arrested by Harry Samit of the FBI and INS agents in Minnesota and charged with an immigration violation
And:
On September 11, 2002, members of Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) claimed to have killed or captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed during a raid in Karachi that resulted in Binalshibh’s capture. Some people have reported that Mohammed escaped, but that his family was captured.[47]
On March 1, 2003, the ISI reported that they had captured him in a raid in Rawalpindi, Pakistan in a joint raid with the CIA’s Special Activities Division paramilitary operatives
Now admittedly both quotes are from Wiki, which I hate, but for this purpose can we assume the arrest records are right? If so, there is a huge difference between the KSM trial and the Moussaoui trial. Applse and oranges.
480 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:15:29pm |
re: #474 Slumbering Behemoth
He didn’t flame out like Spitzer the video-game hating, prostitute patronizing hypocrite. He ran a weak campaign, and failed to impress. He’d still make a great AG, IMO.
Spitzer and Lieberman should, I dunno, go find a room at the Embassy Suites and whisper sweet anti-free-speech nothings as they feed each other grapes in the whirlpool bath. And Tipper Gore can film them.
481 | ryannon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:16:17pm |
re: #120 Cato the Elder
OK: I lived in the country or on a bedroom-community island for the neurotic rich for the last third of a year, spending perhaps three days in cities. Coming back to Dear Dirty
DublinBaltimore today, my perceptions for how foul everything looks and smells are heightened. So I can see how a Dickens in coal-era, poorhouse London would think that it was “bad air” that caused all the problems. And, in a metaphorical sense, isn’t that in fact the simple truth?
I’ve been waiting for the occasion to post this. They say that some people think in images; to the extent that I can be said to think at all, it would be both in images and words - or rather, lyrics. And thus this lovely old saw by Randy Newman.
Welcome home, Cato….
483 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:16:34pm |
re: #475 WindUpBird
My problem with Ashcroft is until 9/11 he was far more interested in plying his social conservative agenda and going bonkers against prostitution. Also he lost to a dead man in an election. Also, not so impressed with his stance against desegregation. I will give him props for standing his ground in the hospital about the spy program. Good for him. At least he was up to the job.
Gonzales is a fucking fool, and anyone who accepted that man as being qualified for the job is a blind partisan or just not paying attention. Like whatsherface being nominated for SCOTUS. One of the dumbest things Bush ever did.
Ashcroft’s defeat in running for the Senate says less about him than it does about voters sentiments. He would have done better had Mel Carnahan lived, because voters casted their votes for Carnahan as a sympathy and memorial vote.
I do not defend Miguel Gonzales. He was indeed a failure as Attorney General, and Bush took far to long replacing him with Murkasy.
484 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:17:30pm |
re: #474 Slumbering Behemoth
He didn’t flame out like Spitzer the video-game hating, prostitute patronizing hypocrite. He ran a weak campaign, and failed to impress. He’d still make a great AG, IMO.
Right. He flamed out on the cheating on his wife, pampering his mistress with taxpayer money and police escorts, the Kerik scandals, Harding, ….
Also, I really don’t think he looks good in women’s clothing.
485 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:17:52pm |
re: #472 Olsonist
Giuliani like Spitzer completely flamed out in the political arena.
To be fair, Guiliani flamed out when he went too high, Icarus-style. He probably would have done okay as an AG, but he thought he could be president and he was a punchline. Even America’s Mayor can’t just go from Mayor to President. That’s like starting your car in 6th gear.
486 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:18:14pm |
487 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:19:01pm |
re: #484 Olsonist
I’m not sure how using a socon knee jerk makes your point. And, I think I missed your point.
488 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:20:28pm |
re: #483 Dark_Falcon
Ashcroft’s defeat in running for the Senate says less about him than it does about voters sentiments. He would have done better had Mel Carnahan lived, because voters casted their votes for Carnahan as a sympathy and memorial vote.
I do not defend Miguel Gonzales. He was indeed a failure as Attorney General, and Bush took far to long replacing him with Murkasy.
I know, I know. :D It was a cheap shot, and like I said, I consider him a mixed bag overall. he was a decent AG.
My biggest problem with Bush is stuff like Gonzales and Miers. I didn’t like his policies, but it was the nepotism that scared me.
489 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:20:49pm |
re: #485 WindUpBird
To be fair, Guiliani flamed out when he went too high, Icarus-style. He probably would have done okay as an AG, but he thought he could be president and he was a punchline. Even America’s Mayor can’t just go from Mayor to President. That’s like starting your car in 6th gear.
I do kind of agree with that.
490 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:22:17pm |
re: #487 Slumbering Behemoth
I’m not sure how using a socon knee jerk makes your point. And, I think I missed your point.
My point was that both Giuliani and Spitzer for pretty much the same reason and in the same way flamed out when the crossed over from the Federal prosecutor ranks to the political stage.
491 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:23:18pm |
re: #484 Olsonist
Right. He flamed out on the cheating on his wife, pampering his mistress with taxpayer money and police escorts, the Kerik scandals, Harding, …
Also, I really don’t think he looks good in women’s clothing.
Come on, him being an NYC goof in drag isn’t relevant. :( That’s NYC culture, we just got done with a huge flamewar about San Francisco culture being filth. I consider his sense of humor to be one of his positives. How many high profile Republicans would dare such a thing? I can count zero.
492 | Olsonist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:25:03pm |
re: #491 WindUpBird
I don’t think Huckabee would, but that guy is flat out funny. I’ll have to track down and see if he’s been on the Daily Show but he’s a scream on SNL.
493 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:33:23pm |
re: #492 Olsonist
I don’t think Huckabee would, but that guy is flat out funny. I’ll have to track down and see if he’s been on the Daily Show but he’s a scream on SNL.
I quite liked Huckabee in the primaries. A very funny dude, smart, self-aware, had some great ideas about social justice and anyone who’s serious about their garage band can’t be all bad. I was very disappointed when he started to edge towards the full socon.
494 | simoom Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:39:15pm |
re: #492 Olsonist
I don’t think Huckabee would, but that guy is flat out funny. I’ll have to track down and see if he’s been on the Daily Show but he’s a scream on SNL.
The Huckabee / Colbert political air hockey match is a classic:
495 | ryannon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:47:01pm |
Ashcroft….Ashcroft…the name rings a bell….
496 | thefarmer Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:00:07am |
I’ve already voted, busy day tomorrow. We really need to elect a Rep. Senator in IL, this state used to be evenly divided, I’m so old I remember Everett Dirksen and Paul Douglas, both heads above the latest crappy senators like Durbin, Obama and Burris.
Walker was my choice, Kirk and voting for Cap and Trade just turned me off. Kirk may get it, and if so I’m glad he can help stop Obama’s reckless spending spree.
T
497 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:03:04am |
re: #496 thefarmer
I’ve already voted, busy day tomorrow. We really need to elect a Rep. Senator in IL, this state used to be evenly divided, I’m so old I remember Everett Dirksen and Paul Douglas, both heads above the latest crappy senators like Durbin, Obama and Burris.
Walker was my choice, Kirk and voting for Cap and Trade just turned me off. Kirk may get it, and if so I’m glad he can help stop Obama’s reckless spending spree.
T
Thank you for supporting the right side. This is our year in Illinois.
498 | a_little_interested Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:49:17am |
re: #157 Van Helsing
I’m British and despite the sun making a fuss out of this - it really does not sound bad. This is no tale of being ignored for hours - it was a swift birth. Nothing went wrong - and from the sound of it the midwife was there quickly and ensured nothing was wrong. Not ideal I’ll grant you but far from terrible.
Interestingly your assuming that there paying for that service via taxes. Which is not necessarily true. They could be unemployed, or low wage earners. I don’t know there status -which is the point of the NHS.
Who ever they were they got covered. You see somebody abandoned. I see somebody in a hospital - with those resources available if needed.
499 | Jerusalemyte Tue, Feb 2, 2010 1:34:19am |
The questioners don’t seem to be interested in my nieghborhood.
The M topic, however, does appear:
Majority of Muslims reject violence??? Don’t find any evidence of this. Don’t see Muslims condemning terrorism without having to hide in fear of condemnation or physical attack by their co-religionists. A good example is Sudan which he mentions later. Genocide? No just mass murder of Muslims by a violence drunk cadre of Muslims.
500 | iceweasel Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:23:23am |
re: #123 MandyManners
It’s really amusing to watch you continually carping and whining about that comment, and continuing to try to stir up shit against Ludwig when he isn’t here. Especially when we all know he wasn’t to blame for the ugliness that recently ensued.
You’ve already been warned once before about that. Remember? A lot of your comments bitching about him in that thread were deleted.
Like all bullies, you’re a coward who is consumed with self-pity the instant you’re called out. And if there were some way to measure who here has said “Fuck you” more than anyone, and whose posts proportionately contain more comments like “Fuck you” than anyone, the ‘winner’ would be…you.
501 | blueherron Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:45:35am |
re: #120 Cato the Elder
OK: I lived in the country or on a bedroom-community island for the neurotic rich for the last third of a year, spending perhaps three days in cities. Coming back to Dear Dirty
DublinBaltimore today, my perceptions for how foul everything looks and smells are heightened. So I can see how a Dickens in coal-era, poorhouse London would think that it was “bad air” that caused all the problems. And, in a metaphorical sense, isn’t that in fact the simple truth?
I love the Dickensian qualities of Baltimore. And the only time it smells bad is when one of the summer-time fish kills in the harbor fills the air. Welcome back!
502 | mikey706 Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:58:05am |
The President bows? But I thought he was ‘arrogant’.
503 | CarryOn Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:08:38am |
This president talks so much and says so little, more than any president I’ve ever listened to.
504 | simoom Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:55:01am |
^ I have the opposite impression.
First, I’m used to most politicians being wary of these sorts of forums where questions often deviate from the small set of political and policy issues the beltway media has determined are currently important. Then, if and when a the politician gets a question their political strategists and advisers haven’t prepared them for, I expect them to quickly deflect and segue to answering a question that wasn’t asked, but that their strategists have prepared a sound-byte answer for (or at the very least, offer up unintelligible word-salad mixed with enough jingoism to satisfy many viewers).
The current President mostly doesn’t follow that archetype. He’s unusual in that he’s willing to actually give unprepared answers to rarely asked policy questions (and to often talk in detail about his Administration’s goals and strategy with respect to that subject). He also mostly avoids simple, sound-byte answers, that while politically satisfying, offer little illumination.
505 | jordash1212 Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:59:36am |
re: #1 webevintage
This election motivated a lot of us younger people, who had been otherwise in apathy, to take an interest in politics and their quality of life. Say what you want about the man’s politics, but he sure as hell can motivate people.
506 | Political Atheist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:12am |
re: #491 WindUpBird
Aww come on. Giuliani does drag better than Karl Rove does rap!
507 | CarryOn Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:23:48am |
re: #503 CarryOn
He tries to make everyone happy, so he ends up contradicting himself on just about every single issue he talks about. It’s exhausting. And his words are rarely backed up by his actions.
508 | blueraven Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:53am |
re: #507 CarryOn
He tries to make everyone happy, so he ends up contradicting himself on just about every single issue he talks about. It’s exhausting. And his words are rarely backed up by his actions.
Seriously, did you listen to the interview at all?
509 | Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:59:53am |
re: #266 rwmofo
When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.
When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.
I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.
If you believe the president sets mortgage rates, you probably think he controls the weather, too.
Saint Ronald can kiss my tuches.
510 | American-African Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:06:00am |
Huffington Post has an interesting article up.
Large Portion Of GOP Thinks Obama Is Racist, Socialist, Non-U.S. Citizen