How would you like to stand like a God before the crest of a monster billow, always rushing to the bottom of a hill and never reaching its base, and to come rushing in for a half mile at express speed, in graceful attitude, until you reach the beach and step easily from the wave?
— Duke Kahanamoku
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 12:47:51am |
Continued from downstairs...
re: #293 Gus 802
That's a favorite of the Rupert Murdoch trash news dynasty. Bill O'Reilly has a "body language" segment every so often.
I know and I love those. By which I mean I hate those because they are such crazy bullshit. This 'expert' has also had some media appearances according to her bio.
Total and complete batshittery. I can't begin to describe it-- go check it out. Here is just a taste of the beginning:
Nothing To Fear, But Obama Himself
After watching the Obama video a hundred times to do an analysis of his body language, I couldn’t sleep last night. Before yesterday, I didn’t have much to say specifically about Obama and his political agenda on healthcare reform. I enjoy looking at the videos and commenting on facial expressions and body language. I still don’t have much to say about healthcare reform, I’ll leave that up to people with much bigger healthcare brains than mine. For the record, I don’t want a government-run healthcare system. I have a difficult time dealing with government-run anything. Also, for the record, not one single person I know wants the government to takeover healthcare. I know a lot of people from all walks of life and beliefs, liberals, conservatives, independents. That is reason enough to raise and eyebrow or two about what is happening in Washington. But what concerns me now is much bigger than forcing a healthcare bill down American’s throats. After a thorough analysis of the video of Obama’s speech yesterday, I am actually fearful of the enormous power trip this President is on.
His body language shows his arrogance, stubbornness, defiance, contempt and belligerence. There was only one moment in the speech where he softened, slightly and that was when he was talking about the woman with breast cancer. Although I still have my doubts on whether that was even a true story. That was the only time his face changed from hard to slightly hard. He has always shown anger in his face, but he used to cover that up. Now, he doesn’t even try to hide his anger. This anger is what scares me. This is why I couldn’t sleep last night. I wondered what would cause him to be so mad that he will let nothing or no one, stand in his way. To answer this question, I had to go back to the basics of face reading
I can't get the cache to work. Warning: extreme wingnuttery ahead.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 12:55:19am |
She's also a nirther or nirther-sympathetic, and when she does her 'facial analysis' she darkens Obama's skin tone (no faux-reason or faux-explanation is provided for that) and labels the darkest one 'normal'. That's all part of why I wanted to find the cache link.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 12:55:27am |
re: #2 iceweasel
Continued from downstairs...
I can't get the cache to work. Warning: extreme wingnuttery ahead.
Yep, wingnut "face reader." I find face reading to be a "science" as much as astrology. Plus this line of her's already indicates a bias: His body language shows his arrogance, stubbornness, defiance, contempt and belligerence. If it was unbiased she would have said that he was showing arrogance, stubbornness, etc., in his speech.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 12:59:26am |
re: #2 iceweasel
The fake humility about "healthcare brains" is nauseating.
And, if her brain isn't big enough to comprehend it, why does she go on to lecture us about it?
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 12:59:37am |
re: #4 Gus 802
Yep, wingnut "face reader." I find face reading to be a "science" as much as astrology. Plus this line of her's already indicates a bias: His body language shows his arrogance, stubbornness, defiance, contempt and belligerence. If it was unbiased she would have said that he was showing arrogance, stubbornness, etc., in his speech.
Yeah. Part of the hilarity is that she even says she knows nothing about the HCR debate, but so what-- Obama's facial analysis proves it's a plot to destroy America. And then we have the great anecdote as data analysis:
for the record, not one single person I know wants the government to takeover healthcare. I know a lot of people from all walks of life and beliefs, liberals, conservatives, independents. That is reason enough to raise and eyebrow or two about what is happening in Washington.
And the ending is great:
When he falls, he will come crashing down. The mark on the left side of his nose says it will happen soon.
Yeah. And the moons in Uranus say it too. /
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:00:02am |
re: #3 iceweasel
She's also a nirther or nirther-sympathetic, and when she does her 'facial analysis' she darkens Obama's skin tone (no faux-reason or faux-explanation is provided for that) and labels the darkest one 'normal'. That's all part of why I wanted to find the cache link.
It's pure garbage. Here's an excerpt:
Obama is a man with a mission. He is passionate and driven when it comes to reaching his own goals on his personal side (left side). Unfortunately, he will not reocgnize other points of view (face shape on right side). He is extremely sensitive (eyes, shape of chin) and will not tolerate opposition. I am concerned about his imbalance. I have never seen a symmetrical face, there are always differences between the right and left sides, but his face differences are drastic and alarming. He is out of balance, and he feels inferior on his right side (the side he ignores).
She's perfect for Fox News.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:01:24am |
Also, if the right wing nuttery is not prone to violence, why is Beck and Palin doing this CYA move?
Beck and Palin: "Violence is Not The Answer"
Glenn Beck invited Sarah Palin on his Thursday broadcast to discuss the prospect of potential violence by right wing extremist groups.
Both commentators, who are two of the most visible conservative personalities on Fox News and within the G.O.P. at large, took pains to condemn any violent acts.The segment opens with Beck, flanked by large pictures of several founding fathers painted in Shepard Fairey's stylized "Obama Hope" motif, citing a recent gathering of the "Second Amendment Constitutional Task Force" rallying for "armed resistance" in Alaska. While saying he appreciated the protester's "passion," Beck describes the effort as "fringe" and intones that "violence is not the answer," twice.
Palin repeated that line, and then discussed the distinction between assault and voting. "Leadership is not hitting somebody over the head. It's not taking up arms at this point. That's not leadership -- that's assault," Palin said. "We need to make sure that the tool that we use in taking up arms, if you will, is our vote."
The whole segment, titled "Using faith, hope and charity to bring about change," is surreal.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:02:07am |
re: #6 iceweasel
Yeah. And the moons in Uranus say it too. /
So she's taking face reading to new heights and now she's a palm face reader.
Coming up next. Extraterrestrials and the people that love them. I'll introduce you to a man who grew up knowing that his parents were from another planet.
/
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:02:33am |
re: #7 Gus 802
She's perfect for Fox News.
I checked her bio because I really thought there was a good chance she'd been on.
ulie is a popular Television and Radio guest, keynote speaker, Body Language Expert, Author, Public Speaker, Lie Detector, and Entertainer.She has provided expert non-verbal language analysis and knowledge in communication in print, radio and various TV media outlets such as ABC Sonoran Living Live, CBS, KTVK 3TV. She contributes to articles on reading faces and body language featured in Cosmopolitan, Arizona Republic, Scottsdale News, AZNet News, and Daycare.com.
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Silvergirl Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:03:09am |
re: #1 freetoken
[Video]
Good match on the quote.
Before it opened, a couple possibilities flashed through my mind. Will it be Wipeout or Surf City?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:04:12am |
As pseudosciences go, Pamz is more into graphology.
And vodka.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:05:09am |
re: #12 Cato the Elder
As pseudosciences go, Pamz is more into graphology.
And vodka.
Vodka is the fuel that runs the Shrieking Harpy 9000™.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:08:21am |
Here's that wingnut's 'analysis' of a picture of Michelle Obama:
The eyes are the window to the soul and in this photo, they reveal her level of stress, fear, doubt and anxiety. Look at her eyes. Even with all of the touch ups, she cannot hide what is really going on inside. You can see that her left eye is ‘floating up’ and it shows the white underneath the pupil. This is a sign of severe stress in her personal life. She also has a trauma line forming from the corner of her mouth on her left side that runs down to her chin. This indicates that she is experiencing loss or she is very afraid of losing something. She is sad about her personal life.
Her right eye is smaller than her left and it looks like it is closing in this picture. This shows that she doesn’t want to ‘see’ what is going on outside of her personal life. She has enough to deal with at home. She doesn’t have the time or energy to focus on other issues.
Michelle’s chin shows she is resilient. Whatever the issues are at home, she will overcome. She does not like to feel out of control and she can’t control what’s going on at the moment. She is extremely worried and this stress is taking its toll on her. She is trying to keep up appearances, but she can’t hide it. Her inner circle knows the truth, she wishes she could talk about it to the outside world, but she can’t. Maybe she isn’t allowed to, or maybe it’s too personal.
Wow, sounds like it must have been a really unflattering pic of Michelle looking unhappy and caught off guard, right?
Actually, it's a Newsweek cover. This.
They're not even in contact with reality at all anymore, these folks.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:09:46am |
re: #10 iceweasel
Some more of the stupidity:
Did you know that nothing reveals as much about an individual and their destiny as what is on their face? Face Reading is an ancient art of identifying character, personality, and fate through understanding the meaning of unique facial features. Face reading will help you get in touch with your true calling, recognize your purpose, and learn how to see it in others.
Right. Face reading someone that is dying of an incurable disease is so difficult. It's easy to see the "fate" in those that are physically ill. Let's see this magician see the fate of a happy smiling person that is about to drive off a bridge to his death in an unforeseen accident.
And getting in touch with your true calling? Let's see. But my face reading book and get a trial sample of Survival Seeds for the introductory price of $249.00.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:11:37am |
re: #14 iceweasel
Here's that wingnut's 'analysis' of a picture of Michelle Obama [...]
Wow, sounds like it must have been a really unflattering pic of Michelle looking unhappy and caught off guard, right?
Actually, it's a Newsweek cover. This.
They're not even in contact with reality at all anymore, these folks.
Would you please submit an anonymous copy of your picture of Pamz to this charlataine and ask her for an analysis?
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:13:31am |
re: #14 iceweasel
Here's that wingnut's 'analysis' of a picture of Michelle Obama:
Wow, sounds like it must have been a really unflattering pic of Michelle looking unhappy and caught off guard, right?
Actually, it's a Newsweek cover. This.
They're not even in contact with reality at all anymore, these folks.
A "resilient" chin? Again more magic. Then the "trauma line" lunacy. What next? A "life line?"
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:13:41am |
And now I need Lizard help.
Which movie to watch?
This one?
A group of Norwegian friends get the scariest history lesson of their lives during a weekend getaway to the snowy town of Øksfjord, where the party is interrupted by throngs of Nazi zombies who once occupied the area.
Or this?
This turn-of-the-century social satire is a delightful, charming play of words and misunderstanding that intertwine with hilarious results.
I'm so torn.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:14:01am |
re: #15 Gus 802
Right. Face reading someone that is dying of an incurable disease is so difficult. It's easy to see the "fate" in those that are physically ill. Let's see this magician see the fate of a happy smiling person that is about to drive off a bridge to his death in an unforeseen accident.
And getting in touch with your true calling? Let's see. But my face reading book and get a trial sample of Survival Seeds for the introductory price of $249.00.
Exactly. She has a post about how Carla Bruni's face reveals her 'fate'. Drudge is one of her sources, and she claims that due to Botox and plastic surgery, Bruni has altered her 'fate'.
According to the Drudge Report, Carla Bruni, the first lady of France and once known as one of the most beautiful women in the world is the latest plastic surgery/botox casualty. Her face shows over use of Botox, cheek implants and lip augmentation. Besides erasing her natural beauty, Bruni has negatively altered the course of her life.
It's some crazy combination of medieval ideas about physiognomy revealing character mixed with astrological type bullshit.
This site is GOLD, jerry! Comedy gold!
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:16:01am |
re: #16 Cato the Elder
Would you please submit an anonymous copy of your picture of Pamz to this charlataine and ask her for an analysis?
Hmm. She has resilient chin. Plus there's a symmetry to her eyes that I've never seen before in humans. The upwards gaze shows that she's looking up towards were her cerebral mass lies thus indicating that her life is led as though an outsider is controlling her mind.
/
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:18:48am |
re: #21 Gus 802
Hmm. She has resilient chin. Plus there's a symmetry to her eyes that I've never seen before in humans. The upwards gaze shows that she's looking up towards were her cerebral mass lies thus indicating that her life is led as though an outsider is controlling her mind.
/
She needs one of these to wear.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:21:33am |
re: #19 iceweasel
It's some crazy combination of medieval ideas about physiognomy revealing character mixed with astrological type bullshit.
This site is GOLD, jerry! Comedy gold!
So you can take one image and make both a character assessment and predict the future of someones life by through Astro-Physiognomy ™. One picture that could be of someone that just left the dentists office for root canal, or is undergoing steroidal treatment, is under stress, etc. This is perfect for the Drudge-Infowars-WND-FoxNews-Enquirer crowd.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:25:25am |
re: #23 Gus 802
So you can take one image and make both a character assessment and predict the future of someones life by through Astro-Physiognomy ™. One picture that could be of someone that just left the dentists office for root canal, or is undergoing steroidal treatment, is under stress, etc. This is perfect for the Drudge-Infowars-WND-FoxNews-Enquirer crowd.
Just whipped this up on the spot, just for you. ;)
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:27:53am |
re: #24 iceweasel
Just whipped this up on the spot, just for you. ;)
[Link: img509.imageshack.us...]
Yeesh!
Was just looking at this face readers following on Twitter. Lots of wingnuts.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:34:16am |
re: #24 iceweasel
Just whipped this up on the spot, just for you. ;)
[Link: img509.imageshack.us...]
Twitter page:
[Link: twitter.com...]
Includes great comedy gold such as:
Palin, spirit courses through America's veins: voice rises, passionate
Palin, talks about constitution, she is very put together (appearance-wise) for this interview, more than in past
LOL, you are right, that was a feast. Obama gives so many not so subliminal signals.
Why did Michelle Obama pose for Newsweek’s cover with a picture of Karl Marx?
Just posted new video-Nancy Pelosi Unmasked, what her face says, see it here.
Obama's left upper eyelid - very puffy - personal issues, stress, worry on personal side, relationship problems???
Her followers include Fox News and Dana Perino.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:40:28am |
re: #26 Gus 802
Her followers include Fox News and Dana Perino.
WOW.
Of course, a lot of media people are set up to automatically 'follow' you on twitter if you follow them. I'd like to hope that's the case with those two as well.
Twitter is pretty interesting that way. Jimmah and I follow the ACLU, and immediately after following them we had a wingnut thinktank 'follow' us-- I forget their name but I know you know them. They've come up here before, you dug up some dirt on them once. They're that organisation that pretends to be very ACLU-like yet all the cases they take involve 'free speech' for Christians wanting prayer in schools and homophobes.
Their site doesn't even look wingnutty IIRC, on first glance, and neither did their tweets, but I ran them through sourcewatch and found the dirt on them and blocked them.
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:43:15am |
re: #8 freetoken
That was an amazin Palin quote:
"Leadership is not hitting somebody over the head. It's not taking up arms at this point."
i.e.,
Wink, wink. I am distancing myself from you at this point
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:47:43am |
re: #27 iceweasel
WOW.
Of course, a lot of media people are set up to automatically 'follow' you on twitter if you follow them. I'd like to hope that's the case with those two as well.
Twitter is pretty interesting that way. Jimmah and I follow the ACLU, and immediately after following them we had a wingnut thinktank 'follow' us-- I forget their name but I know you know them. They've come up here before, you dug up some dirt on them once. They're that organisation that pretends to be very ACLU-like yet all the cases they take involve 'free speech' for Christians wanting prayer in schools and homophobes.Their site doesn't even look wingnutty IIRC, on first glance, and neither did their tweets, but I ran them through sourcewatch and found the dirt on them and blocked them.
I remember that group but don't recall the name. It's all one issue stances and more right-wing than conservative. Theocons would be more accurate.
Well, it turns out that our facereading genius was making innuendos promoting the latest crackpot conspiracy about the "Karl Marx on the apple" in from of Michelle Obama. Snopes reader are on that case and shoot it down fast. Meanwhile, the Freepers turn up for another Pantload™ of wingnut fun.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 1:55:45am |
Oh brother. We missed out on the nutcases this week. Ann Althouse is concerned:
Althouse: Why did Newsweek put the face of Karl Marx on Michelle Obama's apple?
Her conspiracy on the Marx-Newsweek apple:
Now, the Anchoress — first link, above — has become "convinced that it’s simply a matter of the apples’ shading and the lighting." Absurd! It can't be just the lighting and the pattern of the apple peel. A magazine cover is carefully constructed and attention would have to be paid to any accidental imagery. The apple was chosen to be exactly the intended apple and subject to Photoshop tweaking and strategic placement of the lights to attain just the right level of perception and deniability. A good subliminal image must be seen and not seen. It must slide past the average person's conscious defenses and make anyone who insists it is there seem delusional. The Anchoress has retreated.
That's called working backwards. She's constructed a theory to fit the imaginary vision of Karl Marx which also fits their Obama derangement.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:02:11am |
re: #31 Gus 802
That's called working backwards. She's constructed a theory to fit the imaginary vision of Karl Marx which also fits their Obama derangement.
Holy fuck. The Wingularity is here-- look how she ends that post:
IN THE COMMENTS: Irene says the image that might or might not be there was intentionally put there as "Tea Party bait":
I hear Chris Matthews now. "Marx? They see Marx? Wow, see how crazy they are?? They see socialists EVERYWHERE."
The old spin was always, 'maybe this wingnut is actually a seekrit lib, planted to make wingnuts look bad".
Now we're into meta-Moby territory: It's real, but it's a seekrit signal that's designed to look crazy, so that we'll look crazy when we point it out!!1!
Fuck. Take the red pill, people. It won't make you commie.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:07:04am |
re: #32 iceweasel
The old spin was always, 'maybe this wingnut is actually a seekrit lib, planted to make wingnuts look bad".
Now we're into meta-Moby territory: It's real, but it's a seekrit signal that's designed to look crazy, so that we'll look crazy when we point it out!!1!Fuck. Take the red pill, people. It won't make you commie.
I think they need more than a red pill. We're starting to venture into Thorazine territory. Here was another unhinged comment and created another conspiracy:
What is the shock? Someone is either thought this would be good tea-bag provocation/conservative baiting to spur artificial controversy to push magazines or they are just admitting it out in the open now.
3/16/10 4:03 PM
Well, it took them nearly two days to figure out that it was a spoof and that they were all seriously punked. However that didn't stop some of the crazies from coming out of the wood work. Now we're talking seriously whacked out stuff here.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:10:50am |
re: #33 Gus 802
Well, it took them nearly two days to figure out that it was a spoof and that they were all seriously punked. However that didn't stop some of the crazies from coming out of the wood work. Now we're talking seriously whacked out stuff here.
!! That is one of the craziest things I've seen yet.
WTF? Who they?
(BTW, I have just unearthed a treasure trove of nuttery on the 'Obama is date raping America' theme..)
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:13:50am |
First, the Worldnut Daily column with that title "Obama is date-raping america"-- it's from almost 2 weeks ago. Look at this excerpt:
The spectacle of a far leftist president literally forcing socialized medicine down the throat of an unwilling center-right America is reminiscent, perhaps more than any other contemporary metaphor, of date rape.
A man determined to have his way with a woman may start off seducing her with lies, flattery and the usual pretense of caring about her. But at a critical moment, when she says, "Stop, I'm not comfortable with this and don't want to go any further," he has a choice: Either do the right thing and back off, or abandon all prior pretensions and take her by force.
As president, Barack Obama courted us with sweet talk, but America grew increasingly uncomfortable with his advances and firmly said, "Stop" – in fact, screamed bloody murder for months. Yet Obama remains obsessed with forcing himself on America.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:13:57am |
re: #34 iceweasel
!! That is one of the craziest things I've seen yet.
WTF? Who they?
(BTW, I have just unearthed a treasure trove of nuttery on the 'Obama is date raping America' theme..)
That's one of the craziest I've seen so far. Some site by the name of Maser Media and he bills it as Conservative News and Views through the Lens of History (Maser Media) at his Twitter account and on his website, "We focus on history, not hysteria."
Right, what hysteria?
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:16:43am |
re: #36 Gus 802
That's one of the craziest I've seen so far. Some site by the name of Maser Media and he bills it as Conservative News and Views through the Lens of History (Maser Media) at his Twitter account and on his website, "We focus on history, not hysteria."
Right, what hysteria?
What right wing racism? They're just obsessed with the image of the first black POTUS 'ramming X [health care, anything] down America's throat' and saying that Amurka is being dateraped.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:18:10am |
re: #35 iceweasel
First, the Worldnut Daily column with that title "Obama is date-raping america"-- it's from almost 2 weeks ago. Look at this excerpt:
There's the sexual innuendo again. The author being David Kupelian. His next piece of right wing paranoia, "Stealing the Next Election" over at WND.
As Barack Obama's approval ratings continue to plummet, the tea party movement explodes and Democrats lose election after election – even in Massachusetts – one giant question looms large for Team Obama: How to stay in power?
The answer to that question can be found in the groundbreaking March issue of Whistleblower magazine, titled "STEALING THE NEXT ELECTION."
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suchislife Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:20:08am |
re: #35 iceweasel
This reminds me of when we were talking about annoying language mistakes people make a while back. For some reason, I find the misuse of literally hilarious. Doesn't bother me at all.
(obviously, the fact that this whole force feeding but really rape metaphor is now the standard accepted way of talking about health care reform is not quite as funny.)
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:23:33am |
re: #38 Gus 802
Here's another wingnut who picked up on the date-rape column:
How did America end up as a cheap date waking up prematurely from a roofie?
Hilarious and obscene lib commentary on the WND column here:
(NSFW but only because of language)
WND: Obama Is Emmett Till Proven Innocent
And the same site again, tearing apart the other wingnut who wrote "Obama is like a bad date".
Wow, the whole 'ramming it down our throats' image was bad enough and prevalent enough, but the wingnuts are completely going with the rape metaphor. This isn't even bad craziness anymore, it's beyond bad craziness.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:25:23am |
re: #39 suchislife
This reminds me of when we were talking about annoying language mistakes people make a while back. For some reason, I find the misuse of literally hilarious. Doesn't bother me at all.
(obviously, the fact that this whole force feeding but really rape metaphor is now the standard accepted way of talking about health care reform is not quite as funny.)
Oh I agree with you-- misuse of 'literally' just cracks me up. I also laugh at the people who freak over it. I don't know why.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:30:53am |
I must say this is pretty fucking funny-- snarky excerpt and then commentary (in italics) on the WND column:
Imagine you just met someone who was unusually arrogant, greedy and selfish, who considered himself far superior to everyone else, above the need to be truthful, above the law (and willing to break any law he could get away with), who was contemptuous of others and utterly impervious to criticism or self-reflection – and who also harbored an overwhelming urge not only to take your money, but to control you, to exert power over your life! You might understandably conclude that person is mentally deranged or even a criminal.
Or you might just wonder why your hostess seated you next to Glenn Beck.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:34:04am |
re: #40 iceweasel
Here's another wingnut who picked up on the date-rape column:
Hilarious and obscene lib commentary on the WND column here:
(NSFW but only because of language)
WND: Obama Is Emmett Till Proven InnocentAnd the same site again, tearing apart the other wingnut who wrote "Obama is like a bad date".
Wow, the whole 'ramming it down our throats' image was bad enough and prevalent enough, but the wingnuts are completely going with the rape metaphor. This isn't even bad craziness anymore, it's beyond bad craziness.
They're insane. It's false for people to assume that this is isolated rhetoric and limited to the confines of World Net Daily. As noted dozens of times already, Jospeh Farah has a wide and accepting audience outside of WND and was a big part of the Tea Party conference. The author we're speaking of, David Kupelian, also gets a warm welcome from Tea Party groups around the country as shown here and that includes Renew America, Conservapedia, pro-life groups for his previous works, and so on. He was also a guest on the Sean Hannity show.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:36:20am |
Good Morning Lizards!
I see the free love hour between Gus and Ice is in full swing. Any room for some conservative thought here?
//
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:36:27am |
re: #43 Gus 802
This is his write up on Conservapedia:
David Kupelian is the Managing Editor of WorldNetDaily and author of the book The Marketing of Evil.
Kupelian wrote:
Christians have stood on the sidelines during the breathtaking transformation of their once-great Judeo-Christian culture into today's neo-pagan, Sodom-and-Gomorrah-style freak show.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:39:00am |
Peggy Noonan has a good column on the WSJ today.
This is the best couple lines:
I'm speaking of the interview Wednesday on Fox News Channel's "Special Report With Bret Baier." Fox is owned by News Corp., which also owns this newspaper, so one should probably take pains to demonstrate that one is attempting to speak with disinterest and impartiality, in pursuit of which let me note that Glenn Beck has long appeared to be insane.
I LOLd at the last line!
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:41:11am |
re: #37 iceweasel
What right wing racism? They're just obsessed with the image of the first black POTUS 'ramming X [health care, anything] down America's throat' and saying that Amurka is being dateraped.
Well, America makes it easy by acting like trailer park trash and being willing to go home with anone who offers to buy her a drink...
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Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:47:49am |
re: #47 rwdflynavy
*SNIP*
"in pursuit of which let me note that Glenn Beck has long appeared to be insane."
*snicker*
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:48:45am |
re: #44 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards!
I see the free love hour between Gus and Ice is in full swing. Any room for some conservative thought here?
//
Depends on how flexible you are. /
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:52:03am |
re: #48 ralphieboy
Well, America makes it easy by acting like trailer park trash and being willing to go home with anone who offers to buy her a drink...
So, she was asking for it?
//
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:55:32am |
re: #44 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards!
I see the free love hour between Gus and Ice is in full swing. Any room for some conservative thought here?
//
I was about ready to hit the hay. We weren't talking about normal mainstream conservatives and I think the people noted above are extremists, charlatans, and general all around crackpots that can elicit criticism from both sides of the political fence and that is universal.
I still maintain that they are not really conservatives in the classic sense and more of far-right milieu that should be shunned. When I think of conservatives I usually think of the reformed and elderly personas of Buckley or Goldwater.
Hope that didn't sound too serious. I'm trying to behave myself this morning. It's just a recent trend being that I'm all stressed out and this time change kind of messed things up.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:56:42am |
re: #47 rwdflynavy
Peggy Noonan has a good column on the WSJ today.
This is the best couple lines:
I LOLd at the last line!
Those are funny, but the whole column is otherwise revolting Peggy Noonan crap like this:
Thursday's decision followed the most revealing and important broadcast interview of Barack Obama ever. It revealed his primary weakness in speaking of health care, which is a tendency to dodge, obfuscate and mislead. He grows testy when challenged. It revealed what the president doesn't want revealed, which is that he doesn't want to reveal much about his plan. This furtiveness is not helpful in a time of high public anxiety. At any rate, the interview was what such interviews rarely are, a public service
Right. Total bullshit. Obama 'speaks in soundbites' and 'doesn't want to talk about HCR' and gets flustered.
Do I have to relink CJ's post here, with the video where Obama totally pwned the GOP off the cuff for an hour, and the GOP said later that it 'was a mistake' to televise it?
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:58:19am |
| 55 |
Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:00:37am |
Umm. Who needs the Takiban, ect,
Calif police department on alert for deadly traps
We seem to zone in "terrorist" groups outside our own borders that we forget we have our own groups with in.
// oops, my bad. These are criminals, not terrorist
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Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:02:39am |
re: #55 Bubblehead II
Umm. Who needs the Taliban, ect,
Calif police department on alert for deadly traps
We seem to zone in "terrorist" groups outside our own borders that we forget we have our own groups with in.
// oops, my bad. These are criminals, not terrorist
| 57 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:03:53am |
re: #53 iceweasel
Right. Total bullshit. Obama 'speaks in soundbites' and 'doesn't want to talk about HCR' and gets flustered.
Do I have to relink CJ's post here, with the video where Obama totally pwned the GOP off the cuff for an hour, and the GOP said later that it 'was a mistake' to televise it?
Obama did say that the time for talk about health care reform was over.
He just can't seem to stop talking about it since he hasn't convinced his party yet...
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:07:39am |
re: #57 rwdflynavy
Obama did say that the time for talk about health care reform was over.
He just can't seem to stop talking about it since he hasn't convinced his party yet...
Is that what you think? LOL.
Not exactly.
Massive Wingnut Freakout.
House defeats Two GOP challenges in One Day
That's yesterday.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:15:09am |
I know there are 30 plus Attorney Generals from various states that are gonna sue if the HRC bill passes. Does anyone know if this will hold up the bill or will the bill go forward and the suits resolved later? And good morning.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:20:04am |
re: #53 iceweasel
Right. Total bullshit. Obama 'speaks in soundbites' and 'doesn't want to talk about HCR' and gets flustered.
Do I have to relink CJ's post here, with the video where Obama totally pwned the GOP off the cuff for an hour, and the GOP said later that it 'was a mistake' to televise it?
Right, this after Noonan literally endorsed Barack Obama in 2008 which was followed by a great deal of catcalls of RINO and worse. Or we can reflect back to May of 2008 when she said about the GOP:
* “The Republicans? Busy dying. The brightest of them see no immediate light. They’re frozen, not like a deer in the headlights but a deer in the darkness, his ears stiff at the sound. Crunch. Twig. Hunting party.”
* “And they speak that language because they are marketers, not thinkers. Not serious about policy. Not serious about ideas. And not serious about leadership, only followership.
* “They have scandals, bad personalities, don’t stand for anything. That’s why Republicans are losing: because they’re losers.”
* “Late at night they toss and turn in the antique mahogany sleigh bed in the carpeted house in McLean and try to remember what it is they really do think, and what those thoughts imply. to make a difference and wound up with their butts in the butter.”
Then in November of 2008:
The hundred days are happening now. That's the real headline on President-elect Obama's series of news conferences and his announcements of intended administration policy, such as an economic stimulus package. We don't really have to wait till after the inauguration on Jan. 20 for the new administration to begin. What the Obama transition has become is historically unprecedented. He is filling the vacuum created by a collapsed incumbency and an acute economic crisis. He is moving forward with what looks like a high, if ad hoc, awareness of the delicacy of the situation. He can't seem presumptuous or aggressive: "We only have one president at a time." At the same time he can't hide. The White House exhibits chastened generosity, refusing to snipe, mock or attempt to undermine.
I might be getting into post hoc ergo propter hoc territory here but if Obama fails will the GOP follow her previous suggestions she mentioned in May of 2008? Or will they retake the mantle again not because of what they have to offer for America but due in large part because of the alleged failure of President Obama? The GOP would say that this is the Obama we warned you about. However, one can also say that this is the GOP that Peggy Noonan warned you about if they regain power. If we take Noonan's word from both time frames we would say that neither Obama (the Democrats) or the GOP have changed or will change.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:20:36am |
re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did my google-fu and only found 10 states ready to file suit, with only 1 actually passing a state bill saying they will sue. Not sure where I got the 30 number from. Might have mixed subjects.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:21:08am |
re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar
I know there are 30 plus Attorney Generals from various states that are gonna sue if the HRC bill passes..
Links, please?
I do know that the deem and pass strategy has been used before.
In fact, it's the GOP that made it popular.
As expected, the responding tantrum is nearing full force. The WSJ editorial page is outraged; Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) is suggesting laws approved through the self-executing rule aren't laws that Americans have to follow; and assorted GOP voices, on and off the Hill, are characterizing the deem-and-pass approach as unconstitutional.
Of particular interest were complaints from Rep. David Dreier (R-Calif.), the ranking member on the House Rules Committee, who called use of the self-executing rule "very painful and troubling." It's interesting -- Dreier found the rule neither painful nor troubling when he used it in 2006.
Indeed, while the deem-and-pass approach used to be rare, its use became far more common 15 years ago -- right after Republicans took over Congress. Don Wolfensberger, former chief of staff for the House Rules Committee under Republicans, explained in a column a few years ago, "When Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.)."
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:24:26am |
re: #58 iceweasel
Is that what you think? LOL.
Not exactly.
Massive Wingnut Freakout.
House defeats Two GOP challenges in One Day
That's yesterday.
So WingNut Freakout aside, do the Dems have the votes?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:27:18am |
re: #58 iceweasel
Is that what you think? LOL.
Not exactly.
Massive Wingnut Freakout.
House defeats Two GOP challenges in One Day
That's yesterday.
This guy is your Wingnut?
Earlier today, the House rejected a resolution from Rep. Parker Griffith (R-AL), who switched from the Democrats to the Republicans in December, to require a direct vote on the Senate bill itself instead of the deem-and-pass procedure.
A former Democrat recently turned Republican?
| 67 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:29:09am |
AG google search.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:37:52am |
re: #65 rwdflynavy
So WingNut Freakout aside, do the Dems have the votes?
I know that's your worry. :)
What do you think?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:39:31am |
re: #68 iceweasel
I know that's your worry. :)
What do you think?
Honestly, it depends on who you ask, whether it be a politician or a journalist.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:39:48am |
re: #68 iceweasel
I know that's your worry. :)
What do you think?
Not yet, my guess is they manage to get just enough to get it deemed.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:41:49am |
re: #66 rwdflynavy
Jesus. Two separate motions from the GOP desperate to block it on procedural grounds. Both FAILed.
Now they're crying that a vote on a sunday during lent is an affront to god.
LOL.
Rep. Steve King and Glenn Beck agree: Voting for health reform on Sunday is ‘an affront to God.’
Reminder:
On Palm Sunday in 2005, the Republican-controlled Senate passed a controversial bill to allow a federal court to intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo. The House passed the same bill shortly after midnight on Monday morning.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:43:11am |
re: #18 Cato the Elder
And now I need Lizard help.
Which movie to watch?
This one?
I'm so torn.
I hope you watched Dead Snow, instant classic. I love zombie flicks.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:44:52am |
| 76 |
RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:46:05am |
re: #31 Gus 802
Oh brother. We missed out on the nutcases this week. Ann Althouse is concerned:
Althouse: Why did Newsweek put the face of Karl Marx on Michelle Obama's apple?
Her conspiracy on the Marx-Newsweek apple:
That's called working backwards. She's constructed a theory to fit the imaginary vision of Karl Marx which also fits their Obama derangement.
I think they also call that "sarcasm" but you have to admit, that apple looks like a commie. I say it's intentional otherwise they would have used a granny smith green apple, one of the 3 pillars of Americana.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:46:29am |
re: #72 iceweasel
Jesus. Two separate motions from the GOP desperate to block it on procedural grounds. Both FAILed.
Now they're crying that a vote on a sunday during lent is an affront to god.
LOL.
Rep. Steve King and Glenn Beck agree: Voting for health reform on Sunday is ‘an affront to God.’
Reminder:
On Palm Sunday in 2005, the Republican-controlled Senate passed a controversial bill to allow a federal court to intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo. The House passed the same bill shortly after midnight on Monday morning.
I understand this procedure has been used by both parties. I think the Sunday vote faux outrage is silly.
I just don't like the idea of using this to pass such a massive piece of legislation. This is Social Security and Medicare huge!
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:47:13am |
re: #76 RogueOne
I think they also call that "sarcasm" but you have to admit, that apple looks like a commie. I say it's intentional otherwise they would have used a granny smith green apple, one of the 3 pillars of Americana.
It was faked to being with. Althouse doesn't do sarcasm much. She's out there by default.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:52:27am |
re: #78 Gus 802
It was faked to being with. Althouse doesn't do sarcasm much. She's out there by default.
Althouse pic coming right up!
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:53:42am |
Poor Farfour.
The Treasury said the sanctions prohibit Americans from transactions with the entities, and that they seek to freeze any assets the entities may have that are under U.S. jurisdiction.
SNIP
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:54:53am |
re: #78 Gus 802
I disagree. She likes her drinks and she likes to make jokes. You have to admit that it does look like a face was photoshopped on there, it's almost too perfect. According to some of the comments it doesn't show up on the print edition.
| 82 |
Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:57:05am |
Hillary is going to be pissed..
IAF strikes in Gaza after Kassam attack
Not at the rocket attach, but at the Israeli response.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:58:20am |
Indiana: Perfectly legal to make upskirt videos of women in public:
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
Recording video underneath women's skirts at a mall might seem like an obvious crime.But not in Indiana, according to legal experts who say a recent Marion County case is at risk of collapsing, in part because of a hole in Indiana's voyeurism law.
AdvertisementProsecutors have submitted additional charges against David Delagrange, 40, based on the accounts of three women who came forward after the Fort Wayne man's arrest Feb. 27 at Castleton Square Mall.
That makes 10 females, including four younger than 18, allegedly recorded on Delagrange's boot-rigged video camera as they worked or shopped.
Prosecutors said they stood behind their decision to charge Delagrange with voyeurism. But two law professors and the head of the Indiana Prosecuting Attorneys Council said the 10 low-level felony counts don't conform to Indiana's voyeurism law, and other charges of attempted child exploitation might also fail legal scrutiny.
Because the activity is alleged to have occurred in a public place, "I don't think voyeurism applies to this circumstance," said Steve Johnson, executive director of the state prosecutors group.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:58:21am |
Good Morning to all.
Dad's Kid Delivery Service in progress (so much for my day off)
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:58:22am |
re: #82 Bubblehead II
Hillary is going to be pissed..
IAF strikes in Gaza after Kassam attack
Not at the rocket attach, but at the Israeli response.
Israel warned they were gonna' respond yesterday.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:58:43am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:59:50am |
re: #85 rwdflynavy
Good Morning to all.
Dad's Kid Delivery Service in progress (so much for my day off)
You fly a helicopter. No traffic!! Let 'em repel out of the thing!!!
///
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:00:16am |
re: #84 RogueOne
Indiana: Perfectly legal to make upskirt videos of women in public:
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
In the good old days, some fathers, husbands and brothers would take care of the gap in the law. With great dispatch.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:00:18am |
Poor Ann Althouse.
A Jimmah-Ice Production.
BTW, I also recommend the now defunct blog Altmouse, for longtime 'fans' of Ann.
| 91 |
Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:01:12am |
re: #86 MandyManners
///// But, but, but, the response was disportionate.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:01:19am |
re: #85 rwdflynavy
Good Morning to all.
Dad's Kid Delivery Service in progress (so much for my day off)
I never wanted to be a chauffeur when I was growing up.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:01:34am |
re: #90 iceweasel
Poor Ann Althouse.
[Link: img98.imageshack.us...]
A Jimmah-Ice Production.
BTW, I also recommend the now defunct blog Altmouse, for longtime 'fans' of Ann.
Anyone who drinks wine by the box is good people.
| 94 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:02:03am |
re: #91 Bubblehead II
/// But, but, but, the response was disportionate.
Tell that to that Thai man who was killed in Hamas' attack.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:02:14am |
re: #89 MandyManners
In the good old days, some fathers, husbands and brothers would take care of the gap in the law. With great dispatch.
Yes, but now the perps just get a "good talkin' to." I prefer the ol' redneck justice. Heh.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:02:28am |
re: #90 iceweasel
Poor Ann Althouse.
[Link: img98.imageshack.us...]
A Jimmah-Ice Production.
BTW, I also recommend the now defunct blog Altmouse, for longtime 'fans' of Ann.
Nice one! I used to drink box wine. I got better. ;)
| 97 |
RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:03:07am |
They have to get Biden away from the cameras. "Hey man, the proof of the pudding is in the eating"
| 98 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:03:11am |
| 99 |
Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:03:39am |
| 100 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:03:52am |
re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes, but now the perps just get a "good talkin' to." I prefer the ol' redneck justice. Heh.
Actions speak louder than words.
| 101 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:04:34am |
re: #99 Gus 802
Nope. Boxed Canadian Club.
/
Blasphemy!! I was pissed when they moved from glass bottles to plastic!!
/
| 102 |
Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:05:57am |
re: #94 MandyManners
Sadly, he is beyond caring about such things.
| 103 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:06:43am |
re: #102 Bubblehead II
Sadly, he is beyond caring about such things.
I reckon the Thai government is a bit too busy to lodge a protest with the U.N..
| 105 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:19:25am |
India on Line Two, Mr. Headley.
Union home minister P Chidambaram said India would continue to seek extradition of 49-year-old Headley, a Lashkar-e Taiba
operative, besides charging him in the 26/11 case at an "appropriate time".Chidambaram, however, acknowledged that Headley's extradition was not going to be easy as he had committed crime both in the US and India.
"It is not a setback," he told reporters when asked to comment on the plea bargain between Headley and the US government under which the 26/11 accused would escape death penalty and instead could be imprisoned for his life.
Under the plea bargain, Headley has agreed to "fully testify to any foreign judicial proceedings held in the US, either through video conferencing or through Letters Rogatory" Chidambaram said.
SNIP
| 106 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:19:48am |
Why men are smarter than women.///
[Link: www.wmbfnews.com...]
| 108 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:22:28am |
re: #106 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why men are smarter than women.///
[Link: www.wmbfnews.com...]
What happens when the man jumps up in celebration?
| 109 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:22:46am |
| 110 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:23:11am |
re: #108 MandyManners
What happens when the man jumps up in celebration?
If he's smart, he'll duct tape the frozen peas to the area.
| 111 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:28:49am |
The foreign ministry said the Libyan leader's statement was "irresponsible". Earlier in the week a senator had called Col Gaddafi a "mad man".
Col Gaddafi had suggested the split to prevent any more bloodshed between rival groups in central Nigeria.
Hundreds have died this year in ethnic and religious violence around Jos.
Although the violence in Nigeria generally takes place between Muslim and Christian communities, the underlying causes are a complex mix of political, social and economic grievances.
Nigeria is roughly split between its largely Muslim north, and a Christian-dominated south.
SNIP
Let's ask Israel what it's like to have the Hamas state on its border.
| 112 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:29:12am |
re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar
If he's smart, he'll duct tape the frozen peas to the area.
I'd hate to be around when that tape is pulled off.
| 113 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:30:14am |
| 114 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:31:22am |
| 115 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:32:08am |
The evidence could undercut YouTube’s defence against a $1bn copyright infringement lawsuit filed by Viacom, owner of the Paramount film studio and MTV Networks.
The revelations in the landmark legal battle are among thousands of pages of internal evidence uncovered but kept from public view over a three-year period since Viacom accused Google, which owns YouTube, the world’s largest internet video service, of “massive intentional copyright infringement”.
SNIP
| 116 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:32:25am |
| 117 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:32:48am |
| 118 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:35:17am |
The search engine may announce its exit on March 22, the Shanghai-based newspaper reported, citing an unidentified Google China employee. It may also reveal plans for its China workforce on the same day, according to the report.
The company hasn’t confirmed the April 10 date for its pullout, the newspaper cited the sales agent as saying. Tokyo- based spokeswoman for the company, Jessica Powell, declined to comment on the report.
SNIP
| 119 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:35:37am |
A sting in Florida found 15 or so stores letting people use food stamps for beer, smokes and condoms.
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
| 120 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:37:52am |
This UN guy Kai Eide who is out there condemning the arrest of top Taliban leaders...his name rings a warning bell, but I just can't quite place it.
| 121 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:40:07am |
re: #120 Spare O'Lake
This UN guy Kai Eide who is out there condemning the arrest of top Taliban leaders...his name rings a warning bell, but I just can't quite place it.
Edi Amin?
| 122 |
Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:40:46am |
bbiab. the Mrs and I went grocery shopping yesterday afternoon. Now I get to break down the "family pack" packages of meat into meal size portions. What fun.
| 123 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:41:00am |
"I said, ‘For God’s sake, he desperately has to be kept away from working with children,’ ” the psychiatrist, Dr. Werner Huth, said in a telephone interview from Munich. “I was very unhappy about the entire story.”
Dr. Huth said he was concerned enough that he set three conditions for treating the priest, the Rev. Peter Hullermann: that he stay away from young people and alcohol and be supervised by another priest at all times.
Dr. Huth said he issued the explicit warnings — both written and oral — before the future pope, then Joseph Ratzinger, archbishop of Munich and Freising, left Germany for a position in the Vatican in 1982.
In 1980, after abuse complaints from parents in Essen that the priest did not deny, Archbishop Ratzinger approved a decision to move the priest to Munich for therapy.
Despite the psychiatrist’s warnings, Father Hullermann was allowed to return to parish work almost immediately after his therapy began, interacting with children as well as adults. Less than five years later, he was accused of molesting other boys, and in 1986 he was convicted of sexual abuse in Bavaria.
SNIP
| 124 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:43:46am |
re: #122 Bubblehead II
bbiab. the Mrs and I went grocery shopping yesterday afternoon. Now I get to break down the "family pack" packages of meat into meal size portions. What fun.
Make sure to label and date the food going into the freezer.
| 125 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:43:47am |
re: #120 Spare O'Lake
This UN guy Kai Eide who is out there condemning the arrest of top Taliban leaders...his name rings a warning bell, but I just can't quite place it.
Mr Eide told the BBC the arrests had completely stopped a channel of secret communications with the UN.
Pakistani officials insist the arrests were not an attempt to spoil talks.
Mr Eide confirmed publicly for the first time that his secret contacts with senior Taliban members had begun a year ago.
SNIP
| 126 |
Super-ego Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:43:57am |
re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar
A sting in Florida found 15 or so stores letting people use food stamps for beer, smokes and condoms.
So, the store owners just took advantage of the corrupt system. It's been a slow year.
| 127 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:46:06am |
re: #126 Super-ego
So, the store owners just took advantage of the corrupt system. It's been a slow year.
Been a slow year for me but I never committed fraud.
| 128 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:46:51am |
re: #44 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards!
I see the free love hour between Gus and Ice is in full swing. Any room for some conservative thought here?
//
SHUT UP!
| 129 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:46:55am |
| 130 |
Super-ego Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:49:40am |
re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar
Been a slow year for me but I never committed fraud.
Ditto.
Some folks moral code degrades in certain situations. Temptation and greed get the best of them.
| 131 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:51:41am |
re: #130 Super-ego
Ditto.
Some folks moral code degrades in certain situations. Temptation and greed get the best of them.
That is true but I doubt these incidents are isolated. I am sure a shoplifter doesn't get caught the first time. Same instance here, IMO.
| 134 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:53:05am |
Say a condom is needed after the clinic closes.
| 135 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:53:42am |
re: #132 MandyManners
Using food stamps for condoms? Why not?
So, waving the food stamp card promising the woman you're gonna score some condoms is what kind of foreplay?
| 136 |
Super-ego Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:53:48am |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
That is true but I doubt these incidents are isolated. I am sure a shoplifter doesn't get caught the first time. Same instance here, IMO.
And those using stamps for something they shouldn't are just as much at fault. Abusing the system.
Mandy, stamps for condoms seems like it shouldn't be a problem.
| 138 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:54:18am |
re: #133 MandyManners
Condom stamps.
Such a shame that insurance plans will cover Viagra, but balk at abortion or emergency contraception.
| 139 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:56:19am |
re: #138 iceweasel
Such a shame that insurance plans will cover Viagra, but balk at abortion or emergency contraception.
Hey, it's vitally important to the operation of our country for us males to keep our "pride" up, if you know what I'm sayin'. /
| 140 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:57:06am |
re: #139 thedopefishlives
Hey, it's vitally important to the operation of our country for us males to keep our "pride" up, if you know what I'm sayin'. /
But not for more than 4 hours.
/
| 141 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:57:55am |
re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, waving the food stamp card promising the woman you're gonna score some condoms is what kind of foreplay?
Maybe after he's cooked her dinner and tidied the kitchen.
| 142 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:58:26am |
re: #136 Super-ego
And those using stamps for something they shouldn't are just as much at fault. Abusing the system.
Mandy, stamps for condoms seems like it shouldn't be a problem.
It prevents the spread of disease and unwanted pregnancies.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:58:36am |
re: #141 MandyManners
Maybe after he's cooked her dinner and tidied the kitchen.
Doing both those things IS foreplay.:)
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:58:39am |
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:58:58am |
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:59:18am |
re: #139 thedopefishlives
Hey, it's vitally important to the operation of our country for us males to keep our "pride" up, if you know what I'm sayin'. /
Lift that flag pole by any means necessary!/
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:00:27am |
re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar
Doing both those things IS foreplay.:)
Nothing says lovin' like cleaning out the oven.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:02:11am |
Redneck Foreplay: Get in the truck, bitch.
/
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:02:39am |
re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar
Redneck Foreplay: Get in the truck, bitch.
/
*coughs* I'll have you know we have a double-wide trailer, thank you very much! /
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:04:26am |
re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar
Doing both those things IS foreplay.:)
Haha. For the male or the female?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:05:56am |
re: #150 Spare O'Lake
Haha. For the male or the female?
Mop the floor in front of the wife. Report back later. Heh.
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Super-ego Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:06:13am |
re: #142 MandyManners
It prevents the spread of disease and unwanted pregnancies.
Yes, and by being able to use stamps for condoms rewards the user for wise thinking for the encounter.
I can only imagine in the heat of the moment, a man or woman goes into the store to get condoms, only to be turned down. They just say. oh well, we'll be safe, then he or she ends up with an STD or her pregnant.
Turning down condoms for stamps could promote risky behavior. When just saying no is not an option.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:07:11am |
re: #152 Super-ego
Yes, and by being able to use stamps for condoms rewards the user for wise thinking for the encounter.
I can only imagine in the heat of the moment, a man or woman goes into the store to get condoms, only to be turned down. They just say. oh well, we'll be safe, then he or she ends up with an STD or her pregnant.
Turning down condoms for stamps could promote risky behavior. When just saying no is not an option.
What about edible condoms?
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:09:08am |
re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar
What about edible condoms?
They qualify under the food stamps program, obv. //
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:09:14am |
re: #152 Super-ego
Yes, and by being able to use stamps for condoms rewards the user for wise thinking for the encounter.
I can only imagine in the heat of the moment, a man or woman goes into the store to get condoms, only to be turned down. They just say. oh well, we'll be safe, then he or she ends up with an STD or her pregnant.
Turning down condoms for stamps could promote risky behavior. When just saying no is not an option.
Makes perfect sense to me.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:09:25am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:10:15am |
Good morning lizards! Has the White House expressed outrage on the Gaza rocket attack that killed a person or are they still in meltdown mode about the apartments?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:11:15am |
re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar
Mop the floor in front of the wife. Report back later. Heh.
'Tis better to have mopped and loved than never to have mopped at all.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:11:38am |
re: #152 Super-ego
Aren't there a kajillion places that give away condoms?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:11:51am |
re: #157 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards! Has the White House expressed outrage on the Gaza rocket attack that killed a person or are they still in meltdown mode about the apartments?
I've not heard a word. Maybe they'll mention it in passing when condemning Israel's responding attack.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:12:15am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Aren't there a kajillion places that give away condoms?
They're probably not open after business hours.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:12:37am |
Would an edible condom be considered a Fruit Roll Up?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:13:01am |
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:13:15am |
re: #157 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards! Has the White House expressed outrage on the Gaza rocket attack that killed a person or are they still in meltdown mode about the apartments?
What are you talking about? Everyone knows the Obama admins policy towards Israel is the exact same as the former Bush admin, well "almost" the same:
n 2008, the United States approved an Israeli request for bunker-busters capable of destroying underground facilities, including Iranian nuclear weapons sites. Officials said delivery of the weapons was held up by the administration of President Barack Obama.Since taking office, Obama has refused to approve any major Israeli requests for U.S. weapons platforms or advanced systems. Officials said this included proposed Israeli procurement of AH-64D Apache attack helicopters, refueling systems, advanced munitions and data on a stealth variant of the F-15E.
"All signs indicate that this will continue in 2010," a congressional source familiar with the Israeli military requests said. "This is really an embargo, but nobody talks about it publicly."
[Link: www.worldtribune.com...]
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Super-ego Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:13:40am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:13:58am |
re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar
What about edible condoms?
I never got that.
At what point to you eat them?
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Super-ego Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:14:44am |
re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I never got that.
At what point to you eat them?
Before the stuffing.
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:14:48am |
A+ for Honesty:
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
"Dem Congressman: "If You Don't Tie Our Hands, We Will Keep Stealing"
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:17:25am |
From the pen of John Kass:
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
"...Charlie and Cindy Chumbolone are typical of most Americans you know. Look in the mirror and you'll recognize them immediately.
They work hard, they pay their taxes, they live within their means, they give to their church and volunteer in their community.
And they take care of Uncle Feds.
Uncle Feds sleeps on the couch in the front room. He doesn't work, but he loves to eat and order pay-per-view movies On Demand, the expensive HD kind...."
We Are All Chumbolones Now
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:17:30am |
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]
Afghanistan: Taliban chops off nose, ears of 19-year-old girl for "shaming" her in-laws
"When they cut off my nose and ears, I passed out." Bibi Aisha, 19, of Afghanistan, who was punished by the Taliban for "shaming" her in-laws when she ran away to escape torturous domestic abuse. Her father sold her to her abusive husband when she was 10.Atia Awabi, a CNN International correspondent based in Kabul, says "If you are moved by [this] story you can help by donating to womenforafghanwomen.org." CNN interviewed this young woman in January, and ABC News followed recently.
Women for Afghan Women has posted an update on her story here (some people may find the full image of her brutally disfigured face disturbing).
Her husband "kept her in the stable with the animals until she was 12 (when she got her first menstrual period)."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:18:14am |
re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I never got that.
At what point to you eat them?
Look, I was young, in college, needed the money and it was before the interweb was popular!!
///
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:20:12am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Aren't there a kajillion places that give away condoms?
Nope, only a gazillion.
I wonder if Obama will put a special tax on condoms for people earning more than $250,000. It would be a great way to screw the wealthy.
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:21:41am |
re: #171 RogueOne
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]
Afghanistan: Taliban chops off nose, ears of 19-year-old girl for "shaming" her in-laws
How totally horrible. Talk about depersonalisation.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:22:11am |
re: #173 Spare O'Lake
Nope, only a gazillion.
I wonder if Obama will put a special tax on condoms for people earning more than $250,000. It would be a great way to screw the wealthy.
I already pay a hefty premium for the rhinestone studding.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:23:00am |
re: #175 SixDegrees
I already pay a hefty premium for the rhinestone studding.
Studding. For her pleasure.
/
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:25:57am |
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:25:59am |
Another story via BoingBoing:
Man thrown off train over Killers gig list
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]
Tom Shaw was travelling on a South West Trains when he began writing a list of song titles which his band The Magic Mushrooms would play at a forthcoming gig.But the 25-year-old was approached by two security staff employed by the train company and asked to leave the train at Fareham railway station.
.....
The set list included Take Me Out by Franz Ferdinand, Cigarettes and Alcohol by Oasis and Love Me Like You by The Magic Numbers.Mr Shaw, of Portsmouth, Hampshire, said his band also intended to play All These Things That I've Done by The Killers but he had simply written "killers".
He told the Portsmouth News: "They made me get out at Fareham and when I asked what was wrong they told me to show them the piece of paper I'd been writing on.
"They said I'd been behaving suspiciously. I couldn't understand it. It seemed very strange as it was only a list of songs.
Excessive paranoia, a sign of the times.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:28:21am |
re: #178 RogueOne
I wonder if G-n-R's "I used to love he, but I had to kill her" was on the list.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:28:47am |
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Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:31:04am |
re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes Ma,
Sheesh, Surprised you also didn't remind me to wash my hands between handling the Pork/Beef/Chicken. :-)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:34:48am |
re: #173 Spare O'Lake
Nope, only a gazillion.
I wonder if Obama will put a special tax on condoms for people earning more than $250,000. It would be a great way to screw the wealthy.
Then the wealthy will only use them for screwing poor villagers while plundering their villages.
ANOTHER WIN/WIN FOR THE RICH!
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:35:24am |
re: #181 RogueOne
The new Dr. Who is finally coming back:
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]
Easter!
Excellent. Despite the reviewer's apparent fatigue, I'm interested in seeing how the new Doctor fares. He has incredibly large shoes to fill.
Point of geek snark: it's "Doctor," never "Dr."
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:36:18am |
re: #181 RogueOne
They keep getting younger and younger actors to play the part. Th original 2 guys were old geezers. The next two were more middle aged. Then they went a bit younger, then a bit older, then a bit younger, then a bit younger again, and now they've gone way younger.
Well, it will be interesting to see how they handle the new version.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:42:42am |
If anyone has a touch-screen device, you should see if you can get the swype keyboard add-on. I've been using it for a couple weeks now and I absolutely love it. I can type out a text/email so much faster than using the standard keypad. Modern technology kicks ass;
[Link: www.swypeinc.com...]
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:49:17am |
This could only happen to me.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:52:16am |
Geneva atom smasher sets record for beam energy
Operators of the world's largest atom smasher on Friday ramped up their massive machine to three times the energy ever previously achieved, in the run-up to experiments probing the secrets of the universe.The European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, said beams of protons circulated at 3.5 trillion electron volts in both directions around the 27-kilometer (17-mile) tunnel housing the Large Hadron Collider under the Swiss-French border at Geneva.
The next major development is expected in a few days when CERN starts colliding the beams in a new round of research to examine the tiniest particles and forces within the atom in hopes of finding out more about how matter is made up.
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:00:32am |
re: #157 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards! Has the White House expressed outrage on the Gaza rocket attack that killed a person or are they still in meltdown mode about the apartments?
Charles Krauthammer has an excellent piece in today's WaPo:
How Obama created the Biden incident
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:01:28am |
Today's Wall St Journal has an editorial on the health care debacle that contains many good thoughts.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
The POTUS no longer wants health care to "help the people," he wants to get it done to "save his presidency." That is simply f'd up. He really is that selfish.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:03:23am |
re: #191 _RememberTonyC
Today's Wall St Journal has an editorial on the health care debacle that contains many good thoughts.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
The POTUS no longer wants health care to "help the people," he wants to get it done to "save his presidency." That is simply f'd up. He really is that selfish.
It's all about him.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:03:26am |
Happy Friday everyone. Quiet day here in the office, the kind I can appreciate.
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laZardo Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:03:57am |
re: #160 MandyManners
DeutscheWelle reporting on the Middle East Quartet, Ban Ki-Moon saying "Israel needs to stop its building and the PA needs to rein in its rioters."
/just a statement, mind.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:04:26am |
Obama effigy hung at RI school with fired teachers
CENTRAL FALLS, R.I. – A teacher at a failing school where he and all his colleagues are being fired hung an effigy of President Barack Obama in his classroom, apparently in reaction to Obama's support of extreme measures to ensure accountability in schools.
The teachers union on Thursday condemned the effigy, discovered Monday in the teacher's third-floor classroom at Central Falls High School, saying it was wrong and cannot be condoned under any circumstances.
The effigy was found in the teacher's classroom by Superintendent Frances Gallo, Rhode Island Department of Education spokeswoman Nicole Shaffer told The Associated Press. Shaffer said the department would not have any further comment.
Gallo told the AP on Thursday evening that the foot-tall Obama doll that she saw Monday was hung from its feet from a white board and was holding a sign that said, "Fire Central Falls teachers."
"I was deeply saddened," Gallo said. "It's a horrific — a startling — kind of picture when you walk in and see that."
She said that the teacher had been issued a "strong letter of reprimand" and that she considered it an internal matter.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:07:13am |
re: #192 NJDhockeyfan
It's all about him.
and he has been using that with the undecided congressmen. he has come right out and said it. and these chickenshit politicians are so afraid of doing something to harm this POTUS that he may actually convince them to damage the economy of the nation, as well as the economies of their own states just to stay in his good graces. it's beyond sickening and the voters will make them pay if they allow themselves to be strongarmed like that. My kids should NOT have to spend their adult lives paying for Obama's reelection in 2012!
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:07:39am |
re: #194 laZardo
DeutscheWelle reporting on the Middle East Quartet, Ban Ki-Moon saying "Israel needs to stop its building and the PA needs to rein in its rioters."
/just a statement, mind.
Here' the full Statement by the Quartet:
Joint Statement by the Quartet
[Link: www.state.gov...]
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:07:50am |
re: #191 _RememberTonyC
How is that analysis any more credible than the one of his facial features?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:08:44am |
There's a big ANSWER antiwar rally in DC this weekend. I wonder if there will be any giant Obama puppets. I doubt it.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:09:07am |
re: #198 Obdicut
How is that analysis any more credible than the one of his facial features?
because Obama has come right out and said he needs to get health care done to "save his presidency." that is not a good enough reason to wreck the economy.
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laZardo Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:10:48am |
re: #197 mj
The Quartet calls for a solution that addresses Israel’s legitimate security concerns, including an end to weapons smuggling into Gaza; promotes Palestinian unity based on the PLO commitments and the re-unification of Gaza and the West Bank under the legitimate Palestinian Authority;
Good luck with Hamas.
/
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:11:56am |
obama and his "priorities."
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:13:30am |
re: #200 _RememberTonyC
Jesus christ, the level of hysteria has gotten annoying.
What Obama said was that if this is defeated-- a measure that he campaigned on, that people support-- then there is little hope for the rest of his agenda. If the Republicans can block this, they'll be able to block most anything, and win on pure obstructionism.
He also said that first and foremost the bill should be passed for the uninsured.
Turning that into "pass this just to save my presidency, it's all about me" is idiotic. I'm sorry, I'm not in the best mood this morning, but I can't think of anything else to call it.
Finally, saying the bill will 'wreck the economy'-- what is going to happen to the economy without the bill? What is the cost of not passing the bill?
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:15:07am |
Fuck it, I'm going for a run. Maybe that'll improve my mood.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:15:52am |
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:16:15am |
re: #203 Obdicut
Jesus christ, the level of hysteria has gotten annoying.
What Obama said was that if this is defeated-- a measure that he campaigned on, that people support-- then there is little hope for the rest of his agenda. If the Republicans can block this, they'll be able to block most anything, and win on pure obstructionism.
He also said that first and foremost the bill should be passed for the uninsured.
Turning that into "pass this just to save my presidency, it's all about me" is idiotic. I'm sorry, I'm not in the best mood this morning, but I can't think of anything else to call it.
Finally, saying the bill will 'wreck the economy'-- what is going to happen to the economy without the bill? What is the cost of not passing the bill?
if Obama is doing this for all the right reasons, he should go back and work with the GOP and FIX the bill, not ram it through for personal political reasons. Then it will truly be a bill that can be supported by the VAST MAJORITY of Americans. If you can't understand that, I fear you will never understand the meaning of compromise and bipartisanship.
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:16:27am |
re: #201 laZardo
Good luck with Hamas.
/
Right, which is one reason this whole "peace process" is a fraud. Not only is Gaza run by Hamas, but Abbas himself hasn't even run for re-election. On 9 January 2009, Abbas term as president, at least as he was originally elected, ended.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:16:58am |
Looks like Citibank is playing games again. Purchases that used to show up on my online statement within a day are now taking over a week to appear. I pay my balance off every month, and usually check before sending in the payment to make sure I've caught even recent charges, so now I have to estimate.
I bet the countdown to when interest gets charged is still fixed to the purchase date, and not the posting date.
Assholes.
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andres Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:17:15am |
re: #200 _RememberTonyC
because Obama has come right out and said he needs to get health care done to "save his presidency." that is not a good enough reason to wreck the economy.
As they say in the gaming circles, "Screenshot or didn't happen".
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:17:56am |
re: #208 SixDegrees
Looks like Citibank is playing games again. Purchases that used to show up on my online statement within a day are now taking over a week to appear. I pay my balance off every month, and usually check before sending in the payment to make sure I've caught even recent charges, so now I have to estimate.
I bet the countdown to when interest gets charged is still fixed to the purchase date, and not the posting date.
Assholes.
Call them and complain, ask why they are doing this.
I suspect they think no one has noticed.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:18:00am |
16,500 more IRS agents needed to enforce Obamacare
New tax mandates and penalties included in Obamacare will cause the greatest expansion of the Internal Revenue Service since World War II, according to a release from Rep. Kevin Brady, R-Texas.
A new analysis by the Joint Economic Committee and the House Ways & Means Committee minority staff estimates up to 16,500 new IRS personnel will be needed to collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses in the ‘reconciliation’ bill being taken up by the U.S. House of Representatives this weekend. ...
Scores of new federal mandates and fifteen different tax increases totaling $400 billion are imposed under the Democratic House bill. In addition to more complicated tax returns, families and small businesses will be forced to reveal further tax information to the IRS, provide proof of ‘government approved’ health care and submit detailed sales information to comply with new excise taxes.
Americans for Tax Reform has a good breakdown of the bill by the numbers.
Isn't it reassuring that at a time of recession, government will do what's necessary to ensure its growth?
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andres Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:20:46am |
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:20:55am |
re: #209 andres
As they say in the gaming circles, "Screenshot or didn't happen".
see the link at #202
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:21:36am |
re: #210 reine.de.tout
Call them and complain, ask why they are doing this.
I suspect they think no one has noticed.
My level of credit card activity is low enough that I know, within a couple of bucks, how much to add to make up the difference. But why a system that is totally automated and networked is suddenly showing such delays is hard to understand, except under the assumption that Citi is trying to ream my ass in some new and exciting way - an assumption supported by past experience.
Right now, it isn't worth wading through the touch-tone hell that constitutes their customer service center. But I'll keep it in mind if it continues.
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Van Helsing Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:21:57am |
re: #211 NJDhockeyfan
Always gives ME a warm feeling.
Government doing the one thing they excel at - self perpetuation.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:22:08am |
re: #198 Obdicut
How is that analysis any more credible than the one of his facial features?
It's like the Obama/Bush approach to Israel....Almost exactly the same.//
I'm in a snarky mood today, I'm taking off early and enjoying a weekend of warmth. Summer is here to stay damnit.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:22:32am |
Some photos of the Duke:[Link: www.dukekahanamoku.com...]
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laZardo Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:23:26am |
re: #216 RogueOne
I'll say. We took my dad to the airport and the car broke down THREE TIMES on the way home due to engine overheating. Turns out the auxiliary fan isn't working. ):
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:25:39am |
re: #211 NJDhockeyfan
There is no way to pay for the proposed measures without raising taxes, and The Rich™ simply don't have enough money to pay for it all. So what the expansion will mean in reality is a corps of agents devoted to shaking down the middle class.
Even that won't be enough, of course.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:27:50am |
re: #216 RogueOne
It's like the Obama/Bush approach to Israel...Almost exactly the same.//
I'm in a snarky mood today, I'm taking off early and enjoying a weekend of warmth. Summer is here to stay damnit.
No, no it's not. Not when I woke up to find that the temperature was right at freezing this morning.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:35:36am |
re: #218 laZardo
I'll say. We took my dad to the airport and the car broke down THREE TIMES on the way home due to engine overheating. Turns out the auxiliary fan isn't working. ):
Climate change!
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:35:39am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:36:16am |
Secret German files to reveal post war mystery of the 'Holocaust architect'
London, Mar. 20 (ANI): The story of the man known as "the architect of the Holocaust" is well known, but nobody knows who helped Adolf Eichmann flee Germany in post war era.
After fleeing Germany, Eichmann was captured in Argentina by Israel's Mossad and hanged after a trial in Jerusalem.
There were speculations that the Vatican helped war criminals hide or escape after the Second World War - allegations Church officials have always denied.
But a secret 4,500-page document by the German intelligence service, the BND, could shed light on the post war life of the co-ordinator of the Nazi genocide policy, The Scotsman reports.
While BND claims that the files must remain secret, freelance reporter Gabriele Weber has sued the agency to declassify the documents that may answer: who helped Eichmann escape? How much did Germany know about where he was?
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:36:17am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The answers are always the same when you start getting the diplomats to talk about the Arab-Israeli peace process. They think that Israel should stop construction of the housing projects as though that will somehow get the Palestinians agree to peace with Israel - ignoring that the Palestinians see Israel's dedication of a rebuilt synagogue in the Jewish quarter as an affront and a first step towards retaking the Temple Mount and destroying the Dome of the Rock and al Aqsa mosque - that is the rallying cry coming from Hamas and Fatah; it's not the housing (which can always be transferred and which is a major source of employment for Palestinians).
Meanwhile, Haaretz has a pair of polls: One report says most Israelis see Obama as fair and friendly but 48% want the construction of settlements to continue.
The disconnect is easy to understand when you don't get the full picture of the situation in Israel and the territories, which is the case with US media reports, which generally focus on Israel's response to terrorism more than the initiating act that drove Israel to respond, or the continual incitement to violence emanating from the Palestinian mosques and imams and leadership.
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Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:36:38am |
Good Morning day Shift
Tweaking Ojoe's nose :-)
And with that I must call it a day and say Good Night to the Grave Yard crew.
And just for the hell of it.
Weird, yes, but it is You Tube and I am in violation of the BH II Rule.
Night Lizards
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:36:51am |
re: #220 thedopefishlives
No, no it's not. Not when I woke up to find that the temperature was right at freezing this morning.
Summer? Let's see. I woke up to 3 inches of snow. Big flakes, still coming down, 20-30 mile per hour winds with it, total expected by night... a foot or more.
Summer?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:37:56am |
re: #228 Walter L. Newton
Summer? Let's see. I woke up to 3 inches of snow. Big flakes, still coming down, 20-30 mile per hour winds with it, total expected by night... a foot or more.
Summer?
Yeah, I just read about the snowstorm plowing under the Rockies. Sounds like you guys are in for a wild ride. Here? "Scattered flurries" is the forecast. Seriously.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:37:58am |
re: #211 NJDhockeyfan
Well, those are jobs created and saved... /
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:40:00am |
re: #229 thedopefishlives
Yeah, I just read about the snowstorm plowing under the Rockies. Sounds like you guys are in for a wild ride. Here? "Scattered flurries" is the forecast. Seriously.
Here? Area please?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:40:38am |
re: #231 Walter L. Newton
Here? Area please?
Minneapolis. We always miss all the fun here, for whatever reason. Snow goes either way north up to Canada, or way south through Iowa headed toward Chicagoland.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:41:48am |
re: #232 thedopefishlives
Minneapolis. We always miss all the fun here, for whatever reason. Snow goes either way north up to Canada, or way south through Iowa headed toward Chicagoland.
It's been very pleasant for the last three days here in the Detroit area, sunny with highs in the mid- to upper-sixties.
For the weekend, however, we're back to the mid-forties with rain.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:41:49am |
Stupid blog comment of the day, from one of Schlussel's followers:
"Is there any big media that is not in the stranglehold of islamist interests?"
WTF?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:42:37am |
Field Poll: Campbell leads GOP Senate field; Boxer fades
WASHINGTON – Former Rep. Tom Campbell has a six-point lead over his closest challenger in the three-way Republican primary to face Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer, whose popularity has significantly eroded in the past two months, according to a Field Poll released today.
The survey found Campbell leading former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina 28 percent to 22 percent among likely Republican voters in the June 8 primary, while Assemblyman Chuck DeVore had support from 9 percent. But most prospective GOP voters, roughly 40 percent, were undecided.
While Boxer's races have historically been sleepy affairs, the poll indicates that Californians could be in for a barnburner this year. Boxer is in a statistical tie in trial matchups with both Campbell and Fiorina. In January, she had substantial double-digit percentage-point leads over all three GOP challengers.
"Formerly, I would have said this is in the Democratic column, but I would say now it's got to be moved into the tossup column," said Mark DiCamillo, the director of the poll. "There just seems to be a turning of voter opinions. I think a lot of it has to do with the Congress."
Bye bye Barbara!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:43:16am |
re: #233 SixDegrees
It's been very pleasant for the last three days here in the Detroit area, sunny with highs in the mid- to upper-sixties.
For the weekend, however, we're back to the mid-forties with rain.
Yeah, it's been a beautiful week for moving up until now. Of course, now we're getting to the heavy part, with most of the remaining stuff being what little furniture we have.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:44:01am |
The authorities say the woman, Colleen R. LaRose, is a terrorist sympathizer known by her Internet name, “JihadJane,” and had expressed a desire to become a martyr for an Islamist cause.
According to a federal indictment unsealed this month, Ms. LaRose, 46, was intent on killing a Swedish artist who depicted the Prophet Muhammad with the body of a dog.
Wearing a green jumpsuit and her hair in cornrows, Ms. LaRose, of Pennsburg, Pa., appeared in court to face a four-count indictment, including charges of conspiring with jihadist fighters and pledging to commit murder in the name of a Muslim holy war. If convicted, she would face a possible life sentence in prison and a $1 million fine.
Federal officials said Ms. LaRose, who is white and has blond hair and green eyes, boasted to other jihadists that she could go anywhere undetected. In August, she traveled to Sweden carrying the American passport of her companion, Kurt Gorman, which the authorities say she stole and planned to give to one of her co-conspirators in a plot to kill the artist, Lars Vilks.
HASSAN CHOP
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:45:08am |
re: #228 Walter L. Newton
Summer? Let's see. I woke up to 3 inches of snow. Big flakes, still coming down, 20-30 mile per hour winds with it, total expected by night... a foot or more.
Summer?
Send that back to the Sierras! Me, I'm facing a spring skiing weekend (that means high 40s-low 50s and slushy snow)...that kills the legs.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:45:28am |
Oh, and good morning, everyone. Aloha, even.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:46:11am |
re: #236 thedopefishlives
It's been sunny in Maryland for most of the week. Last night after work I sat outside in shorts, t-shirt and sandals in the backyard for the first time in months.
Of course this means having to mow the lawn again, and lots of fallen tree branches to clear, but it's worth it.
I'm planning to spend Saturday afternoon with some friends who have a nice house with a great deck and backyard. Their daughter is about 14 months old now and starting to walk and talk. Haven't seen her since last summer, so that will make it even better.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:46:24am |
A hopeful song about Love for Spring. Weezer
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:46:51am |
re: #230 lawhawk
Well, those are jobs created and saved... /
I have no problem with the census itself, but, this is only anecdotal, but I swear, the administration is using the census as an excuse to "over hire" people in an effort to up their "jobs saved/create" mantra.
At my house, we received a mailing about the census coming soon. And then a short form came in the mail. And THEN we were visited by a census worker HAND DELIVERING a census short form.
Why the overkill? I live in a rural area. It's not like I'm 30 miles down the end of a dirt road (although my street is dirt), I'm two miles from a state highway. But still, it's not like anyone from the census just has to walk one block and deliver a 100 forms, each house around here is at least 1-2 acres apart.
And there was so many ads, over and over, for census workers, local forums, Craigslist and all sorts of public places.
Like I say, the census is fine, over hiring (if that's what they did) just to report positive public relations about the government creating jobs, a waste of tax payers money.
I wonder if any stats on people hired fro the census over the years is available.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:46:52am |
The housing will provide much-needed extra accommodation as more US troops pour into Afghanistan via the US Transit Centre nestled in Kyrgyzstan's Tien Shan mountains for the surge Washington hopes will quell the Taliban.
With the surge well underway and expectations growing of an upcoming offensive in the former Taliban capital of Kandahar, the Manas Transit Centre continues to grow, its footpaths and tent cities clogged with tired soldiers.
"I'm not going to speak (about the exact number of troops moving through Manas) for security reasons but I am going to tell you that it's most of them," said Colonel Blaine Holt, the senior US military official in Kyrgyzstan.
"Absolutely the lion's share," he said.
SNIP
Kyrgyzstan has a very unique geographic position in that I can have a jet over (Afghanistan) in one hour and ten minutes," he said.
Manas is key to the US strategy of overwhelming the Taliban-led insurgency but such an extensive American military presence in the heart of ex-Soviet Central Asia in no way pleases everyone, not least Russia.
Last year a report on state-owned Russian television claimed its film crew had uncovered high-tech listening devices at Manas used to monitor mobile telecommunication in Russia and China.
SNIP
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:47:41am |
re: #240 Mad Al-Jaffee
If the weekend temperatures are anything resembling decent (which would be above about 45 degrees or so), I may do a barbecue on Saturday or Sunday afternoon. Time to ring in the grilling season at my new place.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:47:44am |
UC Berkeley students ask for Israel divestment
BERKELEY — UC Berkeley student leaders voted early Thursday to drop the student Senate's investments in companies doing business with Israel.The Senate, meeting into the early hours of the morning, voted 16-4 to divest itself from Israel and to ask the University of California system to do the same.
It was not immediately known whether the Senate had any such investments. But the UC system invests millions in funds that include General Electric and United Technologies, which supply Israel with military equipment, said Emiliano Huet-Vaughn, a student senator who cowrote the bill.
The UC system, he said, should not support a country that has committed human-rights abuses in the Gaza Strip. The 10-campus university has divested itself of tobacco- and Sudan-related funds.
The students' action was condemned by the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, which called the vote hypocritical and troubling, citing violence by Palestinians. A UC spokesman said the university had not yet seen the resolution and could not comment.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:48:08am |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
They hire people as enumerators during every census. I worked for the Bureau for a few weeks in 1990. Worst job I ever had.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:48:50am |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
So, they're not going to invest in any companies at all? Because those eeevil Zionists are everywhere, y'know./
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:49:56am |
An appeals court upheld Hossein Marashi's conviction and sentence on Wednesday, one of many court rulings against activists and opposition figures rounded up in the turmoil triggered by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's disputed re-election in June.
The prosecutions have dealt a major blow to a protest movement that was already hard to sustain with security forces delivering a punishing response at each attempt to rally support on the streets.
Earlier this weak, opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, who was Ahmadinejad's main challenger in the election, urged the movement to press on in the next Iranian year, which begins March 21.
Marashi was one of 10 vice presidents under Mohammad Khatami, whose agenda of greater political and social freedoms was largely blocked by hard-liners during his two terms as president, from 1997 to 2005.
SNIP
Marashi, 51, is a relative of former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a vehement critic of Ahmadinejad who leads the influential Assembly of Experts, the only group with the authority to dismiss Iran's supreme leader.
SNIP
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:03am |
re: #244 thedopefishlives
If the weekend temperatures are anything resembling decent (which would be above about 45 degrees or so), I may do a barbecue on Saturday or Sunday afternoon. Time to ring in the grilling season at my new place.
I'm definitely grilling some time this weekend. I'm not sure if my friends have a grill, but they're definitely at least cooking something. I should offer to grill something and bring it over.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:05am |
re: #232 thedopefishlives
Minneapolis. We always miss all the fun here, for whatever reason. Snow goes either way north up to Canada, or way south through Iowa headed toward Chicagoland.
Miss? It may not snow a whole lot, but when it does, it stays for the whole season. It's chilly there. I did some contract work in Minnetonka once, for 2 weeks, I didn't see a drop of snow, and you had snow and a snowpack on the rural roads, which wasn't going away anytime soon... I don't think it ever got out of the single digits for two weeks.
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:31am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
Field Poll: Campbell leads GOP Senate field; Boxer fades
Bye bye Barbara!
Campbell is flat out anti-Israel. I hope Carly Fiorina can take the race away from him.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:38am |
Obama to Meet With Netanyahu Next Week Amid Tension Over Settlements
President Obama will meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday, Fox News has learned, as a sharp disagreement over settlements continues to fester.
President Obama will meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday, Fox News has learned, as a sharp disagreement over settlements continues to fester.
Israeli sources confirmed that Netanyahu, who will be in the United States for a meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, will sit down with Obama now that the U.S. president has postponed his trip to Indonesia and Australia in order to work on health care reform.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:56am |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
I'd consider them more credible if the same resolution called for not having any dealings with any country in the Middle East.
Thanks, Berkeley, for keeping Bay Area moonbattery alive. You hadn't done anything to embarrass San Francisco in awhile.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:58am |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure, but there was a report out that the census bureau screwed up with their computer application process - the handheld systems that were supposed to do intake instead of paper forms. It went seriously overbudget; and the Inspector General even found problems with the paper form controls.
That's not good.
I don't really have a problem with the hiring of temporary workers to ensure that an accurate counting occurs. Heck, in places like the Rust Belt and Northeast, there is an even greater need to get an accurate count because if they don't get every last person, the number of representatives from those states will drop even more (because people are simply moving away from the high tax states to lower tax burden states (and which coincidentally generally have nicer climates).
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:51:36am |
re: #80 MandyManners
Maybe they will name a square after him/
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:51:38am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
Field Poll: Campbell leads GOP Senate field; Boxer fades
Bye bye Barbara!
Don't count her out too quickly...Boxer's very popular in California, and pre-primary numbers are meaningless. When the general rolls around, all Campbell or Fiorina will have are attack ads. Boxer will have Health Care Reform under her belt. Game over.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:51:44am |
re: #228 Walter L. Newton
Summer? Let's see. I woke up to 3 inches of snow. Big flakes, still coming down, 20-30 mile per hour winds with it, total expected by night... a foot or more.
Summer?
I saw on the news earlier this week that you guys were looking at getting more snow. Sucks to be you. As long as it's not freezing, it's summer time! I'm skipping spring and moving straight to summer. As a matter-of-fact, I'm wearing a thong as we speak.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:52:08am |
re: #250 Walter L. Newton
Miss? It may not snow a whole lot, but when it does, it stays for the whole season. It's chilly there. I did some contract work in Minnetonka once, for 2 weeks, I didn't see a drop of snow, and you had snow and a snowpack on the rural roads, which wasn't going away anytime soon... I don't think it ever got out of the single digits for two weeks.
It does get cold. This winter was particularly nasty; relatively light on the snow up until the end, but with temperatures dipping into the -20 area overnight for weeks at a time. By the way, Minnetonka isn't too far from where I'm at - right in the southwest suburbs area. If you're ever back in the neighborhood, give a holler.
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:52:27am |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
"Divesting from Israel is immoral, bigoted and if done by a state university illegal," Dershowitz said in a statement Thursday. "It encourages terrorism and discourages peace. Any university that would actually divest from Israel will be subjected to countermeasures--financial, legal,academic and political. We will fight back against this selective bigotry that hurts the good name of the University of California."
[Link: www.jta.org...]
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:52:47am |
re: #251 mj
Campbell is flat out anti-Israel. I hope Carly Fiorina can take the race away from him.
After what Fiorina did to HP, I can only hope otherwise. I'd like to see Boxer bounced as much as anyone, but Fiorina is a first-class incompetent asshole.
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Jadespring Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:53:22am |
re: #212 andres
Interesting sketch by Jon Stewart last night.
I don't regularly watch the Daily Show but did last night because I was hoping for a good laugh because I needed it. My side hurt by the time it was over from laughing so much. Hubby doesn't know a whole lot about Beck and occasionally I try to explain the guy to him and what he does. Stewarts 'take' provided a primo illustration for him and he was pretty dumbfounded by the time it was over.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:53:34am |
The sentencing phase of his trial continues at 9 a.m. today.
Jessop is a member of the polygamous Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
He maintained a pleasant expression while 51st District Judge Barbara Walther read the jury statement early Wednesday afternoon and pronounced him guilty.
Jurors heard closing arguments Wednesday morning and left at 11:30 a.m. to deliberate. The trial was in its eighth day.
Attorneys were summoned back to the courtroom at 12:30 p.m.
After the verdict, the jury had a lunch break and began hearing arguments for the trial's sentencing phase.
Because the jury found that an enhancement to the laws on sexual assault of a child applies, the penalty was elevated from a second-degree to a first-degree felony. The punishment Jessop faces ranges from five years with the recommendation of probation to 99 years or life in prison with a fine of up to $10,000.
SNIP
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:53:48am |
re: #246 Mad Al-Jaffee
They hire people as enumerators during every census. I worked for the Bureau for a few weeks in 1990. Worst job I ever had.
I know they do, I'm not stupid, but there seems to be an over kill going on. We have a local forum here in these hills, and there has been multiple threads on the over abundance of census workers running around up here.
And like I said above, my comment is only anecdotal, it's just a feeling I have, I don't have any proof if they purposely over hired.
But it's something to consider.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:54:21am |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
One of the benefits of having 2 large dogs, especially since they're a breed with a bad rap, is no one wants to come in and talk. Even the pizza delivery guy rings my bell then steps back off the porch and makes me come out to get it.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:54:43am |
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:55:47am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:55:53am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:55:56am |
re: #264 RogueOne
One of the benefits of having 2 large dogs, especially since they're a breed with a bad rap, is no one wants to come in and talk. Even the pizza delivery guy rings my bell then steps back off the porch and makes me come out to get it.
Practically everyone in my new neighborhood has at least one dog. You can hear and see them everywhere. I'm pretty sure I could've moved in with a former police canine and it wouldn't bother anybody.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:57:07am |
re: #251 mj
Campbell is flat out anti-Israel. I hope Carly Fiorina can take the race away from him.
And Boxer's Jewish.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:57:16am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:57:41am |
re: #263 Walter L. Newton
When I worked for them, it was only for the summer, and as far as I know they only hired as many as they needed. And I had to take aptitude tests to get the job.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:57:49am |
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:58:29am |
re: #268 thedopefishlives
Practically everyone in my new neighborhood has at least one dog. You can hear and see them everywhere. I'm pretty sure I could've moved in with a former police canine and it wouldn't bother anybody.
My neigborhood is full of young families with little kids and almost everyone on my block has met my dogs. My neighbor brings his 4 yr old grandson over to my yard to play, he doesn't want the kid to grow up being afraid of large dogs. There is only one guy on the street that gives me dirty looks whenever I walk past. Sooner or later I'm going to bust him in his suckhole.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:58:57am |
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:59:26am |
re: #270 NJDhockeyfan
You don't like it?
I just don't know why you do it. Do you want somone to read the articles to you? Or are you trying to start a multi-topic conversation? Usually, when someone quotes an article, they ask, "Can you believe this shit?" and then wait for replies so they can discuss it.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:59:43am |
re: #254 lawhawk
I'm not sure, but there was a report out that the census bureau screwed up with their computer application process - the handheld systems that were supposed to do intake instead of paper forms. It went seriously overbudget; and the Inspector General even found problems with the paper form controls.
That's not good.
I don't really have a problem with the hiring of temporary workers to ensure that an accurate counting occurs. Heck, in places like the Rust Belt and Northeast, there is an even greater need to get an accurate count because if they don't get every last person, the number of representatives from those states will drop even more (because people are simply moving away from the high tax states to lower tax burden states (and which coincidentally generally have nicer climates).
I wouldn't be surprised if something screwed up. I called the local temporary field office inquiring on job opportunities and they couldn't even match up my zip code with the areas they needed help in.
Honestly, I spent 45 minutes on the phone with someone and it took them that long to figure out where I lived versus where they needed workers.
He was actually asking me questions like... "is that zip code near so and so..." Hell, I had Mapquest open in another tab and I was GIVING HIM INFORMATION THAT HE COULDN'T FIND.
And they want to run health care?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:59:48am |
Syria’s support for the armed Lebanese Shia movement is at odds with its stated aims of improving relations with the United States and resuming peace negotiations with Hezbollah’s arch-foe Israel, diplomats and political analysts said.
Damascus has also sought to reinforce its alliance with Iran and expand links with Turkey, which hosted indirect peace talks between Syria and Israel until they broke down in 2008.
SNIP
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:59:56am |
re: #272 SixDegrees
It's an open thread. Post anything you like.
Oh, so it's just about posting. I get it.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:03am |
I think this blog will be interesting over the weekend. We are only days away from monumental, progressive legislation. It's feeling like the 60's again.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:13am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:54am |
re: #275 darthstar
I just don't know why you do it. Do you want somone to read the articles to you? Or are you trying to start a multi-topic conversation? Usually, when someone quotes an article, they ask, "Can you believe this shit?" and then wait for replies so they can discuss it.
I've been doing it for years. Why whine about it today?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:55am |
re: #264 RogueOne
One of the benefits of having 2 large dogs, especially since they're a breed with a bad rap, is no one wants to come in and talk. Even the pizza delivery guy rings my bell then steps back off the porch and makes me come out to get it.
I have no problem with the census, or someone coming to my house. I have a problem if the administration over hired just to "create" unneeded jobs.
And like I said twice above, this is just a feeling on my part, I have no proof and could be totally wrong.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:01:02am |
re: #273 RogueOne
My neigborhood is full of young families with little kids and almost everyone on my block has met my dogs. My neighbor brings his 4 yr old grandson over to my yard to play, he doesn't want the kid to grow up being afraid of large dogs. There is only one guy on the street that gives me dirty looks whenever I walk past. Sooner or later I'm going to bust him in his suckhole.
See, part of the reason I was so eager to move out is because of the crazy next-door-neighbor lady. She was a man-hater, first class, and took every opportunity to flip me off and yell rude things at me when I'd drive by, or glare at me through her porch windows if I was out working in the yard. I'm hoping that I can have a bit more peaceful coexistence with my new neighbors. I already know the guy on one side, and they're a younger couple like us, so that shouldn't be a big deal.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:01:06am |
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:01:21am |
re: #280 Mad Al-Jaffee
Hopefully not in bed.
The suckhole part is one of my favorite lines from The Step Brothers. I love that movie.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:01:47am |
re: #275 darthstar
I just don't know why you do it. Do you want somone to read the articles to you? Or are you trying to start a multi-topic conversation? Usually, when someone quotes an article, they ask, "Can you believe this shit?" and then wait for replies so they can discuss it.
To quote a wise man "It's an open thread. Post anything you like."
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:02:00am |
They didn't realize they were creating a basketball monster.
Sacramento High School head coach Derek Swafford and his key assistant Earl Allen took over the boys program in the 2000-01 season. It was wracked by turmoil, "with no schedule, no uniforms, no money and no discipline," Swafford said. It won nine of 26 games. Four players were booted off the team for behavior problems.
Since then, Swafford and Allen have engineered Sac High's metamorphosis into a perennial power. Now excellence is not just expected but demanded by their ever-growing fan base.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:02:34am |
Live cam of Ground Zero construction.
The Freedom Tower (1WTC) is in the upper right corner (NW corner of site). The two square recessed areas in the center of the frame are part of the 9/11 memorial and the reflecting pools/waterfall installation. The blue structure running just beneath that is part of the transit hub and is colocated over the MTA's 1 train line. The bottom left corner (SE corner of site) is part of 4WTC. The empty area at the bottom of the site is supposed to be where 2 and 3 WTC are to be located (if the Port Authority and Silverstein Properties can ever agree on financial terms). Battery Park City and West Street are at the top of the frame (West side of the site).
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:02:52am |
re: #251 mj
Campbell is flat out anti-Israel. I hope Carly Fiorina can take the race away from him.
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:03:17am |
re: #285 RogueOne
The suckhole part is one of my favorite lines from The Step Brothers. I love that movie.
I haven't seen it yet, but it's available for streaming on Netflix.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:03:52am |
re: #281 NJDhockeyfan
I've been doing it for years. Why whine about it today?
Not whining...just asking. But if it's a tradition, don't let me stand in your way...just tell me to fuck off and I'll be happy to do so.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:03:55am |
re: #287 darthstar
They didn't realize they were creating a basketball monster.
Sacramento High School head coach Derek Swafford and his key assistant Earl Allen took over the boys program in the 2000-01 season. It was wracked by turmoil, "with no schedule, no uniforms, no money and no discipline," Swafford said. It won nine of 26 games. Four players were booted off the team for behavior problems.
Since then, Swafford and Allen have engineered Sac High's metamorphosis into a perennial power. Now excellence is not just expected but demanded by their ever-growing fan base.
I just don't know why you do it. Do you want somone to read the articles to you? Or are you trying to start a multi-topic conversation? Usually, when someone quotes an article, they ask, "Can you believe this shit?" and then wait for replies so they can discuss it.
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:04:02am |
re: #260 SixDegrees
After what Fiorina did to HP, I can only hope otherwise. I'd like to see Boxer bounced as much as anyone, but Fiorina is a first-class incompetent asshole.
A few posts on Campbell's Israel problem:
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:05:02am |
re: #275 darthstar
I just don't know why you do it. Do you want somone to read the articles to you? Or are you trying to start a multi-topic conversation? Usually, when someone quotes an article, they ask, "Can you believe this shit?" and then wait for replies so they can discuss it.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:05:31am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:05:35am |
re: #291 darthstar
Not whining...just asking. But if it's a tradition, don't let me stand in your way...just tell me to fuck off and I'll be happy to do so.
Who's off and would they be just as happy to be fucked?
/I couldn't resist
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:05:57am |
re: #291 darthstar
Not whining...just asking. But if it's a tradition, don't let me stand in your way...just tell me to fuck off and I'll be happy to do so.
I don't tell people to fuck off unless they deserve it. Usually trolls get that from me. I was just curious why you were asking about the news links. Lot's of lizards do it.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:06:01am |
re: #283 thedopefishlives
I loved my neighborhood when I moved in almost 8 years ago. There is a little elementary school at the end of the block, a big park, and there are always kids playing out in the street. Over the last few years a half-dozen houses have been turned into rental properties since they couldn't sell, including the house next door. In the last 3 years I've had 2 hillbilly families and one drug dealer. Out of those 3 the dealer was the best neighbor. They were always quiet and never out yelling at their kids at 6 a.m. on the weekends.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:06:13am |
re: #293 mj
A few posts on Campbell's Israel problem:
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...][Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
All very interesting, but as already noted I can't support Fiorina. Not that it matters anyway, since I'm not in her district and not even in her state, but she's a buttplug.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:06:15am |
re: #253 Obdicut
I'd consider them more credible if the same resolution called for not having any dealings with any country in the Middle East.
Thanks, Berkeley, for keeping Bay Area moonbattery alive. You hadn't done anything to embarrass San Francisco in awhile.
The moonbat is strong throughout America.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:06:37am |
re: #292 Walter L. Newton
I just don't know why you do it. Do you want somone to read the articles to you? Or are you trying to start a multi-topic conversation? Usually, when someone quotes an article, they ask, "Can you believe this shit?" and then wait for replies so they can discuss it.
I just wanted to see how it felt to post random shit...didn't do much for me, Walter, to tell you the truth.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. :)
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:06:59am |
re: #295 Walter L. Newton
LOL... I was thinking of doing that.
I beat ya. Besides, I bet you weren't going to do it with gonads and strife.
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Merkin Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:04am |
re: #279 prairiefire
I think this blog will be interesting over the weekend. We are only days away from monumental, progressive legislation. It's feeling like the 60's again.
My feelings exactly. As lame as HCR is it is the first step forward, away from the status quo, in a very long time.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:53am |
Five rockets in 24 hours?
Israel Air Force air craft struck at least six targets in the Gaza Strip befire daFriday a day after a rocket fired from the Palestinian enclave killed a Thai worker in southern Israel, Hamas security officials and witnesses said.
Two civilians were injured in one of three attacks on smuggling tunnels along the border with Egypt. The other targets included two open areas in Khan Younis and a metal foundry near Gaza City.
SNIP
I'm sure the foundry produced nothing but roller skates and razors.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:57am |
re: #298 RogueOne
Yeah. The landlord of my current place told me that I've been a great tenant and that he's going to miss having me in the house. I'm like, yeah, my neighbor'll probably feel the same way after I move out, but I'll never hear about it.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:05am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:08am |
re: #288 lawhawk
They should rebuild it as Twin Towers, just like it originally was, as a big "Fuck You" to terrorists.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:22am |
re: #301 darthstar
I just wanted to see how it felt to post random shit...didn't do much for me, Walter, to tell you the truth.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. :)
You welcome. I steal from the best.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:09:19am |
re: #303 Merkin
My feelings exactly. As lame as HCR is it is the first step forward, away from the status quo, in a very long time.
I guess that's why the pharmaceutical companies are enthusiastically supporting it.
Anybody can take a step forward. What matters is the direction they're headed.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:09:57am |
re: #307 Mad Al-Jaffee
They should rebuild it as Twin Towers, just like it originally was, as a big "Fuck You" to terrorists.
Meh, having WTC1 back up and standing tall will be a welcome enough sight. I will miss the Twin Towers, of course, but at least there'll be one giant middle finger pointing out over the harbor.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:10:29am |
re: #275 darthstar
I just don't know why you do it. Do you want somone to read the articles to you? Or are you trying to start a multi-topic conversation? Usually, when someone quotes an article, they ask, "Can you believe this shit?" and then wait for replies so they can discuss it.
No one is forcing you to read them.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:10:45am |
I'm off to harass the local merchant class. BBIAB.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:10:57am |
re: #266 darthstar
re: #243 MandyManners
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
re: #248 MandyManners
re: #252 NJDhockeyfan
Are you having a contest to see who can throw the most random headlines out there? You two should hook up.
Headlines in am thread are a longstanding tradition here. Now that there are spinoff links some put them up top, some in the thread like the old days.
What John Stewart left out -- The Bert-Bin Laden connection
[Link: www.snopes.com...]
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:11:39am |
re: #307 Mad Al-Jaffee
They should rebuild it as Twin Towers, just like it originally was, as a big "Fuck You" to terrorists.
That has been my argument for nine years.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:12:29am |
More "Can you believe this shit?"
The two Calvins: Sacramento man sues police, sheriff over mistaken identity
Calvin Ward is nearly 6 feet tall and African American. Calvin Phillips, according to records, is about 4 inches shorter and Caucasian.But Sacramento County seems to think the two Calvins are the same person, and that has become a major problem for Ward.
Twice last year, Ward was wrongly jailed under the name Calvin Phillips, and as a result his modest upholstering business has been decimated, he claims in a civil rights lawsuit.
The suit was filed in Sacramento Superior Court by the law firm led by civil rights attorney Stewart Katz. It names as defendants the county court and Sheriff's Department, the city Police Department, and several city and county law enforcement officers.
[Link: www.sacbee.com...]
You would think that even a police officer would be able to tell the difference between a tall black guy and a short white guy but maybe they're color blind.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:13:23am |
re: #309 SixDegrees
Anybody can take a step forward. What matters is the direction they're headed.
Ooh! I know!
They're headed forward.
/loves the easy ones.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:13:41am |
propose renaming Spinoff Links to Can You Believe This Shit
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:14:46am |
One more reason cell phones are changing the world:
Chicago IL cop recorded telling man he pulls people over because they're black & doesn't care, gets OT for court. Gets busted because of cell phone recording.
[Link: www.wgntv.com...]
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:15:25am |
re: #313 Thanos
Headlines in am thread are a longstanding tradition here. Now that there are spinoff links some put them up top, some in the thread like the old days.
What John Stewart left out -- The Bert-Bin Laden connection
[Link: www.snopes.com...]
Oh, man...you shouldn't make me laugh like that...my wife is still sleeping next to me. The story about Bert & Bin Laden is hilarious, and that it made it onto actual posters is great!
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:15:28am |
re: #315 RogueOne
Wow, incompetence, racism, or corruption? So many reasons to choose from.
What assholes. Crap the cops-- and other LEOs-- pull costs taxpayers huge amounts of money every year.
We need more accountability. San Francisco is slowly creeping towards it, but damn, it's being resisted every step on the way. Every attempt to have oversight on the police is met with cries of being 'weak on crime'.
Damnit, we want to reform the PD so that they can be tougher on crime, not weaker!
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:16:29am |
*shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit*
Can you believe this shit?
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:16:36am |
re: #315 RogueOne
More "Can you believe this shit?"
The two Calvins: Sacramento man sues police, sheriff over mistaken identity
[Link: www.sacbee.com...]
You would think that even a police officer would be able to tell the difference between a tall black guy and a short white guy but maybe they're color blind.
It's Sacramento. Having gone to school there, I can honestly say, they really can be that stupid.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:17:25am |
re: #314 darthstar
That argument lost the moment that they started down the Libeskind path. While the design of the individual towers has changed since that plan was adopted by the Port Authority, they have moved forward.
I happen to agree that the pace has been intolerably slow. The Port Authority says that the 1WTC will be about 65 stories tall by the end of the year and that they're doing about a floor a week, which they claim is typical for construction in the City. It also has to do with the unusual floor plan and way that they're constructing the concrete core. I think it also has to do with opposition from Battery Park City residents that they don't want traffic jams around the site 24/7 to get it done faster. Also limiting the speed is that the former Deutsche Bank building hasn't been taken down yet. When that happens, it will speed construction further since the builders will have a staging location for the rest of the site.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:17:30am |
re: #321 Spare O'Lake
Golf clap. That comment looks interesting in the spy, too.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:17:39am |
re: #321 Spare O'Lake
*shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit* *shit*
Can you believe this shit?
Okay...I appear to have launched a morning topic....shit.
And no, I don't believe it.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:19:06am |
re: #234 Mad Al-Jaffee
Stupid blog comment of the day, from one of Schlussel's followers:
"Is there any big media that is not in the stranglehold of islamist interests?"
WTF?
Her and Shrieky Shriekerson are in a steel cage match to see who can attract the most loons. DS is a bit more trustworthy on basic facts but certainly the hyperbole is there. At least she isn't a nirther...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:19:13am |
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:20:41am |
In defiant video messages posted on the internet Mir Hossein Mousavi and his wife, Zahra Rahnavard, accuse the regime of violating the constitution, wrecking the economy and destroying Iran's international standing.
The coming year should be known as the "year of resistance", Mr Mousavi declared. The so-called Green movement must not abandon its demands for freedom. To do so would be "treason against the nation, Islam and the blood of our martyrs."
"We want deceit and darkness to end," said Ms Rahnavard, a fiery artist and academic who champions women's rights.
Mohammed Khatami, a former president and another de facto opposition leader, also weighed in by demanding free elections and the release of political prisoners.
SNIP
One of Khatami's former VP's is serving a year in prison for his opposition per No. 248.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:20:57am |
re: #327 Mad Al-Jaffee
Aaaahhhhh, taking me back to the good 'ol days
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:21:31am |
re: #326 Thanos
Her and Shrieky Shriekerson are in a steel cage match to see who can attract the most loons. DS is a bit more trustworthy on basic facts but certainly the hyperbole is there. At least she isn't a nirther...
I think she secretly wants to be a man. She has tons of posts about how our society is anti-male and rants against anything feminist.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:21:51am |
Pakistan arrests halt UN contacts with Taliban
KABUL – The arrests of top Taliban figures in Pakistan abruptly halted secret U.N. contacts with the insurgency at a time when the efforts were gathering momentum, the U.N.'s former envoy to Afghanistan said Friday.
Kai Eide, a Norwegian diplomat who just stepped down from the U.N. post here in the Afghan capital, said the discussions that he and others from the U.N. had with senior Taliban members began in the spring of 2009 and included face-to-face conversations in Dubai and elsewhere.
He criticized Pakistan for arresting the Taliban's No. 2 and other members of the insurgency, saying the Pakistanis surely knew the roles these figures had in efforts to find a political resolution to the 8-year-old war. Pakistan denies the arrests were linked to reconciliation talks.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:23:21am |
re: #330 Mad Al-Jaffee
She would so smack you for saying that. Probably true. Control issues, at any rate.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:23:57am |
Okay, folks...time to make some tea and start packing...ski weekend for me.
Play nice.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:24:24am |
I finished watching the first season of Burn Notice last night. I think Gabrielle Anwar might be the sexiest woman on tv.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:24:47am |
re: #334 darthstar
Okay, folks...time to make some tea and start packing...ski weekend for me.
Play nice.
Skiing? Sweet. May the normal force be with you
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:26:11am |
The round-up, dubbed Operation Knock Down, came as Mexican authorities announced that they suspected there was a link between the gang and the murders. U.S. officials, however, said that they still didn't know the motive, although they don't think nationality was a factor. Authorities had interviewed about 100 gang members by Thursday afternoon.
The gang, which operates as the Barrio Azteca on the U.S. side of the border and the Aztecas on the Mexican side, is a "very significant transnational street gang," said Andrea Simmons, a spokeswoman for the FBI.
SNIP
The gang, which recruits from within the U.S. prison system, is thought to be allied with the Juarez drug cartel, a sophisticated trafficking operation that's believed to be run by Carrillo Fuentes family.
SNIP
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:27:02am |
re: #336 cliffster
He volunteers for Ski Patrol on the weekends. I'm looking forward to more stories. I've never been skiing, I get vertigo.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:27:04am |
Everyday terror at 'Intifada' HS
The Muslim principal who cried "bomb!" in a crowded school has left chaos and violence in the classrooms she created. And now, she's moved a step closer to returning.
It is against this tumultuous backdrop that we learn Brooklyn's Khalil Gibran International Academy -- founded in 2007 by firebrand ex-Principal Debbie Almontaser as the city's first public Arabic-themed school -- this year has suspended more than one-third of its student body for infractions ranging from hitting to weapons.
"Every day, they're fighting," said Voneeda Black, who nervously sends her 6-year-old to the elementary school with which Gibran shares a building.
"You don't see parents," she said. "Three or four times a week, there are cops here, if not more."
It may be the worst record in the city. So how did this happen?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:27:06am |
re: #337 MandyManners
Can you believe this shit?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:28:00am |
re: #332 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, let's not arrest terrorist leaders...we need them to talk to.
UN whorish bullshit.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:28:09am |
re: #320 Obdicut
There are a couple different apps you can load on your cellphone that automatically start uploading video/audio to an FTP site. I've seen it used to record police encounters. Once an officer finds out you've been recording they'll try to confiscate your device and delete the file. The deleted file can be retrieved, as long as they don't take your chip, but the software makes it impossible for the officer to keep that recording from getting out. I tried one once on my blackberry but it didn't work well and I haven't taken the time to put it on my new phone yet.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:30:25am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:30:34am |
Ok... so it appears that the HCR bill will pass on SUnday. Fine. Like I have been saying, I don't have a job, no health coverage, no income.
What do I get from the bill? I can't figure that out. I see how certain revenue will start being collected almost right away, but I don't see any particulars on where I can walk into someplace next week and get health coverage.
Anyone?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:30:51am |
Pleading guilty before a Chicago court on Thursday to all 12 charges against him, Headley, 49, admitted he attended LeT training camps five times between February 2002 and December 2003 starting with a three-week course providing indoctrination on the merits of waging jihad, before being instructed by LeT to travel to India to scout targets for the 26/11 Mumbai attack.
Four other three-week courses in August 2002, April 2003, August 2003 and December 2003 provided training in the use of weapons and grenades; close combat tactics, the use of weapons and grenades and survival skills; counter-surveillance skills; and combat and tactical training.
After receiving instructions from three LeT members in late 2005 to travel to India to conduct surveillance, Headley changed his name in February 2006 in Philadelphia from Daood Gilani to facilitate his activities on behalf of Lashkar by portraying himself in India as an American who was neither Muslim nor Pakistani.
In the early summer of 2006, Headley and two LeT members discussed opening an immigration office in Mumbai as a cover for his surveillance activities.
Headley eventually made five extended trips to Mumbai, in September 2006, February and September 2007, and April and July 2008, each time making videotapes of various potential targets, including those attacked in November 2008, the plea agreement said. Before each trip, LeT members and associates allegedly instructed Headley regarding specific locations where he was to conduct surveillance, and Headley travelled to Pakistan after each trip to meet with LeT members and associates, report on the results of his surveillance, and provide the surveillance videos.
SNIP
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:30:54am |
Police officers have been banned from asking for 'Christian' names for fear of offending other religions.
Officers taking down a suspect's particulars must now refer to their 'personal' or 'family name' as the word 'Christian' could offend Muslims, Sikhs and other faiths, according to new diversity guidelines.
They state bobbies on the beat should refrain from using phrases such as 'my dear' or 'love', when addressing women for fear it may cause embarrassment or offence.
Well-meaning gestures like handshakes or putting a comforting arm around a victim or grieving family member are also prohibited as it could be deemed 'unprofessional'.
The handbook produced by Kent Police, which aims to 'promote clearer communication' and 'break down barriers' with diverse communities, advises officers to avoid language like 'Christian' name or surname.
They are also warned not to use terms like afternoon or evening as it could confuse people of 'different cultural backgrounds' about the time of day.
The 62-page 'Faith and Culture Resource' booklet produced by the force's diversity support group sets out customs and practices in a number of religions and beliefs including paganism and rastafarianism.
[snip]
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:31:37am |
re: #335 Mad Al-Jaffee
I finished watching the first season of Burn Notice last night. I think Gabrielle Anwar might be the sexiest woman on tv.
Smokin'. Love her character, too - she's the perfect Dangerously Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:31:51am |
re: #340 Walter L. Newton
Can you believe this shit?
I took my cynicism pill this morning so, yes, I can believe it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:32:34am |
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
Ok... so it appears that the HCR bill will pass on SUnday. Fine. Like I have been saying, I don't have a job, no health coverage, no income.
What do I get from the bill? I can't figure that out. I see how certain revenue will start being collected almost right away, but I don't see any particulars on where I can walk into someplace next week and get health coverage.
Anyone?
I think it will be 3 or 4 years before coverage starts.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:32:47am |
my first grandchild was born last night at 2am...natural birth, 8.6lbs
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:32:51am |
re: #350 MandyManners
I took my cynicism pill this morning so, yes, I can believe it.
And I take meds to cut down on my cynicism. They aren't working.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:33:11am |
re: #343 RogueOne
Hopefully that will be ubiquitous soon, though it still depends on people acting to protect themselves.
Bad cops get away with most of what they do because people want to be good citizens and help out the cops. It's why a corrupt cop is such a terrible thing; he breaks down the bonds of trust that's needed for our society to operate.
For me, it's a broken-windows approach to government-- if we manage to restore people's trust in public servants, I think we can fix a lot of problems in this country. But it can't just be PR-- it's got to be real. We've got to fix the systemic problems in our law enforcement, tax, and justice system.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:33:12am |
re: #352 albusteve
my first grandchild was born last night at 2am...natural birth, 8.6lbs
Now that's some shit worth talking about!
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:33:42am |
re: #337 MandyManners
SNIP
BA are some bad, bad boys. Those guys get used by the Mexican side's cartels as muscle and enforcers, both in the States and down in Mexico. Really, really bad news.
Of course, legalize and regulate the trade, and these thugs with guns go the way of the bootleggers.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:33:47am |
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
According to the CBO's preliminary take on the reconciliation package (and pretty much every version of the HCR package), you'll start seeing benefits from the bill (if any) beginning in 2014 as the HCR ramps up.
Everyone will start seeing the tax changes pretty much within the first fiscal year of the law's implementation. This is to build up a revenue cushion that will be eroded within a few years' operation of the program, so that they can claim a surplus and/or deficit reduction over that time period, but once the program is fully operative, the plan is not revenue neutral and will start costing more.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:33:51am |
re: #352 albusteve
my first grandchild was born last night at 2am...natural birth, 8.6lbs
Yea... good show.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:34:09am |
re: #349 SixDegrees
Smokin'. Love her character, too - she's the perfect Dangerously Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.
Nothing like a hot chick who knows all kinds of weapons, knows how to fight and is always willing to use the most violent way out of any situation. I can't wait to get the season 2 dvds.
Season 2 of Breaking Bad is also out, but they're not available from Netflix yet.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:34:28am |
re: #352 albusteve
Mazel tov - and best wishes to your family!
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:34:44am |
This is number 9 in my series of "Dear Mr President" posts. It is a nonpartisan appeal to common sense and patience.
Dear Mr President ... we are in extremely tough economic times that you admittedly inherited. However, it is time to move past that and try and see the world through a different "filter." In really hard times like this, there is a tendency to want to fix things that might eventually self heal. And in doing so, the solutions we seek might be worse than the current problems. Making long term decisions in times of economic duress, coupled with political considerations is a recipe for a short term fix but a long term disaster. Slow down just a bit. The economy will recover if we don't do things to harm job creation. Draconian health care reform in a time of economic struggle is one of those things. Let's take some time on health care and do better for our future generations and make sure their tax burden does not relegate them to a much poorer standard of living.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:34:55am |
re: #356 Guanxi88
BA are some bad, bad boys. Those guys get used by the Mexican side's cartels as muscle and enforcers, both in the States and down in Mexico. Really, really bad news.
Of course, legalize and regulate the trade, and these thugs with guns go the way of the bootleggers.
Congress? (think Kennedy's)
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:35:12am |
re: #339 NJDhockeyfan
Recently in Minnesota,...
These bizarre developments are described in documents filed in a legal battle royal between TiZA -- a K-8 charter school with campuses in Inver Grove Heights and Blaine -- and the American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota. Last year, the ACLU filed a federal suit claiming that TiZA impermissibly promotes religion.
In January, the ACLU sought a protective order, telling the court that intimidation by TiZA was discouraging potential witnesses from appearing. On Feb. 10, the court barred witness harassment or intimidation by either party.
SNIP
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:35:13am |
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
Ok... so it appears that the HCR bill will pass on SUnday. Fine. Like I have been saying, I don't have a job, no health coverage, no income.
What do I get from the bill? I can't figure that out. I see how certain revenue will start being collected almost right away, but I don't see any particulars on where I can walk into someplace next week and get health coverage.
Anyone?
who will get a fine if you don't buy a policy...the CBO says the IRS will need 17,000 more employees to deal with the deadbeats
[Link: thehill.com...]
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rhino2 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:35:14am |
re: #335 Mad Al-Jaffee
I finished watching the first season of Burn Notice last night. I think Gabrielle Anwar might be the sexiest woman on tv.
QFT
Excellent show by the way, I'm watching season 3 now and it keeps getting better, imho anyway.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:35:23am |
re: #352 albusteve
my first grandchild was born last night at 2am...natural birth, 8.6lbs
Congrats! I'll smoke a cigar for you this weekend!
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:35:39am |
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:35:58am |
re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar
Congress? (think Kennedy's)
That'd work just fine for me. I'd rather these guys put down the weapons and went legit.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:10am |
re: #351 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think it will be 3 or 4 years before coverage starts.
I've heard similar estimates.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:14am |
re: #352 albusteve
my first grandchild was born last night at 2am...natural birth, 8.6lbs
Congrats! Hope momma et al are ok. Bust out the cigars!
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:19am |
re: #365 albusteve
who will get a fine if you don't buy a policy...the CBO says the IRS will need 17,000 more employees to deal with the deadbeats
[Link: thehill.com...]
Health reform and a jobs bill, all in one!
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:20am |
re: #366 rhino2
I like the character of his mom. Flawed and real. Is she still around?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:29am |
re: #344 Spare O'Lake
This has nothing to do with Islam.
And neither does the pipeline from Paraguay to points north.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:38am |
re: #357 lawhawk
According to the CBO's preliminary take on the reconciliation package (and pretty much every version of the HCR package), you'll start seeing benefits from the bill (if any) beginning in 2014 as the HCR ramps up.
Everyone will start seeing the tax changes pretty much within the first fiscal year of the law's implementation. This is to build up a revenue cushion that will be eroded within a few years' operation of the program, so that they can claim a surplus and/or deficit reduction over that time period, but once the program is fully operative, the plan is not revenue neutral and will start costing more.
So, I have no way to get any health care insurance for two years or so.
I have meds I need, 6 pills a day, and the coverage I had and the prescriptions run out next month. I have no doctor now, no prescriptions, nothing.
So, I'm screwed?
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:37:02am |
re: #348 NJDhockeyfan
Oh man, I bet some clueless bobbies have been asking Sikh's "What's your Christian name?"
What maroons. For one thing, they'll probably answer with whatever Anglicized name they use-- Joe or Ted or whatever-- second, if they do understand that the cop means their last name, what a pointless goddamn insult.
Third, all Sikh men have the last name Singh.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:37:26am |
thanks all around....
in two weeks I'll be set up to send out glossies...$9.95ea, so hang in there folks!
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:37:43am |
re: #370 SixDegrees
I've heard similar estimates.
I thought it didn't kick in until 2014. Am I mistaken?
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:38:18am |
Now this is some seriously powerful shit. The LHC has been run up to 3.5 trillion electron volts (3.5 TeV). The previous record for a particle accelerator, Fermilab's Tevatron, ran at about 1 TeV.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:38:27am |
re: #361 _RememberTonyC
I'm sorry, but claiming to be non-partisan and calling this weak sister version of health care reform 'draconian' is a little hard to take.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:38:35am |
re: #375 Walter L. Newton
So, I have no way to get any health care insurance for two years or so.
I have meds I need, 6 pills a day, and the coverage I had and the prescriptions run out next month. I have no doctor now, no prescriptions, nothing.
So, I'm screwed?
Contact the makers of your pills. You might get them for free.
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rhino2 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:38:40am |
re: #373 prairiefire
I like the character of his mom. Flawed and real. Is she still around?
Indeed, she's still quite involved in the plotlines. His brother is too, though not nearly as often.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:39:22am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:39:34am |
re: #357 lawhawk
According to the CBO's preliminary take on the reconciliation package (and pretty much every version of the HCR package), you'll start seeing benefits from the bill (if any) beginning in 2014 as the HCR ramps up.
Everyone will start seeing the tax changes pretty much within the first fiscal year of the law's implementation. This is to build up a revenue cushion that will be eroded within a few years' operation of the program, so that they can claim a surplus and/or deficit reduction over that time period, but once the program is fully operative, the plan is not revenue neutral and will start costing more.
Ok... and I HAVE to get insurance if this passes? I don't have any money to get insurance. As it is I have 6 prescriptions that run out from coverage I use to have, and they give out next month, and I have no doctor, no back up, no way to even get them refilled, they run out.
So, I'm going to be charged to buy something I can't afford, taxed or penalized because I can't afford to buy it, I can't get my drugs and I don't see any benefit anyway for two or more years?
What's up with that?
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:39:40am |
re: #378 RogueOne
I thought it didn't kick in until 2014. Am I mistaken?
I don't think anyone really has any idea. It will probably take at least that long to fully implement everything in the bill, quite possibly much longer.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:39:46am |
re: #376 Obdicut
Third, all Sikh men have the last name Singh.
For awhile I thought all Indian hotel owners were named "Patel".
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:40:12am |
re: #352 albusteve
my first grandchild was born last night at 2am...natural birth, 8.6lbs
Mazal tov!
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:40:48am |
re: #375 Walter L. Newton
So, I have no way to get any health care insurance for two years or so.
I have meds I need, 6 pills a day, and the coverage I had and the prescriptions run out next month. I have no doctor now, no prescriptions, nothing.
So, I'm screwed?
ask for some short term help from your community. if you don't belong to a house of worship, there must be some support groups in your area. you sound like someone who knows a bunch of people. things will get better in 2 years or less. short term help is not permanent.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:41:48am |
re: #384 Walter L. Newton
Ok... and I HAVE to get insurance if this passes? I don't have any money to get insurance. As it is I have 6 prescriptions that run out from coverage I use to have, and they give out next month, and I have no doctor, no back up, no way to even get them refilled, they run out.
So, I'm going to be charged to buy something I can't afford, taxed or penalized because I can't afford to buy it, I can't get my drugs and I don't see any benefit anyway for two or more years?
What's up with that?
There will have to be some exemptions to the "everyone has to buy insurance rule". I haven't seen anywhere what those exemptions are yet.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:42:05am |
re: #384 Walter L. Newton
Ok... and I HAVE to get insurance if this passes? I don't have any money to get insurance. As it is I have 6 prescriptions that run out from coverage I use to have, and they give out next month, and I have no doctor, no back up, no way to even get them refilled, they run out.
So, I'm going to be charged to buy something I can't afford, taxed or penalized because I can't afford to buy it, I can't get my drugs and I don't see any benefit anyway for two or more years?
What's up with that?
Milk from the government tit, despite the promises, is often cold, thin and sparse.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:42:19am |
re: #380 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but claiming to be non-partisan and calling this weak sister version of health care reform 'draconian' is a little hard to take.
you are a preachy partisan. you accept no criticism of your position. and that is getting really boring ...
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:42:26am |
re: #384 Walter L. Newton
No, you're not going to be penalized for having bought it during the first two years.
I have seen absolutely nothing that says the penalty starts before the service.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:42:47am |
re: #388 lawhawk
Government logic and accounting.
Thanks for the insight. But that doesn't help me get my prescriptions.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:42:50am |
re: #390 RogueOne
There will have to be some exemptions to the "everyone has to buy insurance rule". I haven't seen anywhere what those exemptions are yet.
I have seen articles where a single person could be fined $750.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:43:30am |
re: #352 albusteve
my first grandchild was born last night at 2am...natural birth, 8.6lbs
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:43:45am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:43:59am |
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:44:21am |
re: #356 Guanxi88
BA are some bad, bad boys. Those guys get used by the Mexican side's cartels as muscle and enforcers, both in the States and down in Mexico. Really, really bad news.
Of course, legalize and regulate the trade, and these thugs with guns go the way of the bootleggers.
I'm not into legalizing cocaine and heroin.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:44:22am |
Good economic news watch: Boeing is increasing production of 747 and 777 planes from their current production rates earlier than previously anticipated, expecting a recovery in the global economy.
Now, if they can finally get the 787 out the door and start ramping up production of that plane in serious way it would be a trifecta of good news for Boeing.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:44:28am |
re: #384 Walter L. Newton
Ok... and I HAVE to get insurance if this passes? I don't have any money to get insurance. As it is I have 6 prescriptions that run out from coverage I use to have, and they give out next month, and I have no doctor, no back up, no way to even get them refilled, they run out.
So, I'm going to be charged to buy something I can't afford, taxed or penalized because I can't afford to buy it, I can't get my drugs and I don't see any benefit anyway for two or more years?
What's up with that?
the silence from the expert supporters here is deafening eh?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:44:49am |
re: #393 Obdicut
No, you're not going to be penalized for having bought it during the first two years.
I have seen absolutely nothing that says the penalty starts before the service.
Can you tell me if this passes on Sunday, how on Monday it's going to help me get a new doctor I can't afford and 6 prescriptions that I need but can't afford? Or is this plan all smoke and mirrors?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:45:24am |
re: #373 prairiefire
I like the character of his mom. Flawed and real. Is she still around?
Tyne Daly was on recently.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:02am |
re: #226 lawhawk
Meanwhile, Haaretz has a pair of polls: One report says most Israelis see Obama as fair and friendly but 48% want the construction of settlements to continue.
The disconnect is easy to understand when you don't get the full picture of the situation in Israel and the territories, which is the case with US media reports, which generally focus on Israel's response to terrorism more than the initiating act that drove Israel to respond, or the continual incitement to violence emanating from the Palestinian mosques and imams and leadership.
David Hazony quoting Shmuel Rosner talks about how misleading that poll is:
What’s going on? Shmuel Rosner lets the cat out of the bag. It turns out that when asked their opinion of Obama’s attitude towards Israel, Israelis were given three choices: Hostile, Fair, Friendly. Note that “fair” here is not a positive statement but a placeholder for “neutral.” And the numbers are: Hostile: 21%; Fair: 51%; Friendly: 18%. So the poll deceives by using the word “fair” instead of “neutral,” forcing the respondent to say something positive-sounding when he may not have meant to. And then Haaretz deceives by asserting that a “sweeping majority” of Israelis see Obama as “fair and friendly.” This is, of course, ridiculous: it would be just as accurate to point out that an even more sweeping majority see him as “fair and hostile.”
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:13am |
re: #394 Walter L. Newton
Thanks for the insight. But that doesn't help me get my prescriptions.
I agree with CCA - contact the company making the drugs. Many of them have programs to provide 'scrips to those in bad financial straits.
Not exactly a permanent solution, but worth exploring.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:15am |
re: #396 MandyManners
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
thank you...I better start shaping up before the kid realizes his grampa is a heathen pirate...that might be impossible tho
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:16am |
re: #375 Walter L. Newton
So, I have no way to get any health care insurance for two years or so.
I have meds I need, 6 pills a day, and the coverage I had and the prescriptions run out next month. I have no doctor now, no prescriptions, nothing.
So, I'm screwed?
Contact the manufacturers, Walter. Some have programs to help out patients.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:23am |
re: #398 Cannadian Club Akbar
Contact the makers of your pills. You might get them for free.
I don't even have (nor can I afford) a doctor to write new prescriptions. My 6 run out at the end of next month. The drug companies are not going to give me drugs without a doctors order.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:58am |
re: #394 Walter L. Newton
Sorry, but you might want to check with your current doctor to see whether he knows of any programs for people in your position - whether the drugmaker has special programs for people in your situation (many do). You might also want to check with your local WalMart and/or Target, since both have low cost drug plans.
Also, check out Cover Colorado to see if you're eligible.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:15am |
re: #406 albusteve
thank you...I better start shaping up before the kid realizes his grampa is a heathen pirate...that might be impossible tho
Congrats Steve ... kids are great
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:16am |
re: #405 SixDegrees
I agree with CCA - contact the company making the drugs. Many of them have programs to provide 'scrips to those in bad financial straits.
Not exactly a permanent solution, but worth exploring.
I know Lilly gives away quite a bit.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:18am |
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:25am |
re: #392 _RememberTonyC
Oh no, an ellipsis.
Call it draconian if you will; just don't claim to be nonpartisan and call it draconian. It's silly. My support for health care reform comes from a pragmatic base, not an ideological one. I am already paying for the health care costs of the uninsured, and I am sick of doing it in such an ineffective fashion.
If you object to the bill, that's fine, but make your objections on grounds, not on adjectives. Many of these elements have been proposed by Republicans in the past. The bill is already compromised-- there are conservative Democrats who have necessitated it.
And again: What is the cost of not passing this bill? What is the projected cost of continuing in the status quo?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:30am |
re: #408 Walter L. Newton
I don't even have (nor can I afford) a doctor to write new prescriptions. My 6 run out at the end of next month. The drug companies are not going to give me drugs without a doctors order.
Ask your former doctor to call them in. Should be free.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:33am |
re: #338 prairiefire
He volunteers for Ski Patrol on the weekends. I'm looking forward to more stories. I've never been skiing, I get vertigo.
I've never been skiing, I'm clumsy.
An accident looking for a place to happen, I am.
I do enjoy the stories.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:37am |
re: #406 albusteve
thank you...I better start shaping up before the kid realizes his grampa is a heathen pirate...that might be impossible tho
Grandkids are very forgiving.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:03am |
Homeowner Kills Attempted Robber In Driveway Shootout
OCOEE -- An Orange County man is recovering after a shootout in front of his home.
It happened around 12:30 a.m. Tuesday in the 1800 block of Pomegranate Court.
Police said the homeowner, Dave Henry, had just returned home from work and was pulling into his garage when he saw a suspicious car near his home.
That's when they said two suspects got out of the car and tried to rob the homeowner.
However, Henry pulled out his own gun and a shootout started.
One of the suspects, identified as David Lee Butler, 37, was shot and killed by Henry. The other suspect got away.
Police said Henry had a concealed weapons permit and is not facing any charges.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:06am |
re: #304 MandyManners
Five rockets in 24 hours?
SNIP
I'm sure the foundry produced nothing but roller skates and razors.
You know, as bad as that is, I'm kind of relieved that we can be asking that question.
Before Cast Lead a "notable" amount of rockets in a 24hour period would have been over 50.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:16am |
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:23am |
re: #404 Joo-LiZ
Thanks. I hadn't tracked down the poll's internals or how they phrased the individual poll questions to see that breakdown. Seriously misleading headline...
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:58am |
re: #418 Joo-LiZ
You know, as bad as that is, I'm kind of relieved that we can be asking that question.
Before Cast Lead a "notable" amount of rockets in a 24hour period would have been over 50.
I can't find out how many have been fired since the end of Cast Lead.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:49:01am |
re: #409 lawhawk
Sorry, but you might want to check with your current doctor to see whether he knows of any programs for people in your position - whether the drugmaker has special programs for people in your situation (many do). You might also want to check with your local WalMart and/or Target, since both have low cost drug plans.
Also, check out Cover Colorado to see if you're eligible.
Thanks for that.
I thought the HCR bill was going to take care of the health care needs of those of us who don't have anything.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:49:06am |
re: #402 Walter L. Newton
It's not supposed to help you on Monday, Walter, it will take until 2014 to ramp up. There's got to be a transition time. I'm sorry that there hasn't been any movement or reform on health insurance up until this point. The problem has been clearly visible for at least a decade, and little if nothing has been done about it.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:49:59am |
re: #421 MandyManners
I can't find out how many have been fired since the end of Cast Lead.
The number I've heard tossed around has been "over 100" I'll see if I can find info.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:50:20am |
re: #422 Walter L. Newton
Thanks for that.
I thought the HCR bill was going to take care of the health care needs of those of us who don't have anything.
Also, if you are taking generic drugs, Wal Mart or Publix can get you some for $4 for a 30 day supply.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:50:35am |
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:09am |
re: #418 Joo-LiZ
One rocket is too many in any 24 hour period. Yet, Israel is supposed to tolerate a couple within a 24 hour period? Or in a week? Sorry, but there should be a zero-tolerance policy for kassams.
You fire 'em. Israel whacks right back. And they don't stop with just the terrorists firing 'em. You go after the terror masters. And you don't let up when they call for a hudna. You say you wont accept anything other than an unconditional defeat.
Problem is that the political realities of the diplomatic world will never let Israel pursue that strategy to completion since the Palestinians would complain bitterly about collective punishment, etc.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:21am |
re: #406 albusteve
Having grandkids made my dad stop drinking.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:40am |
I'm not one to quote Haaretz, normally, but I did find this interesting...oh, and I'm supposed to be packing right now.
Haaretz poll: Most Israelis see Obama favorably
U.S. President Barack Obama's popularity may be declining in American public opinion, but a sweeping majority of Israelis think his treatment of this country is friendly and fair, according to a Haaretz-Dialog poll conducted this week.
The poll also found that most Israelis don't believe politicians who call Obama anti-Semitic or hostile to Israel, or who say he is "striving to topple Netanyahu."
Put that in your fear mongering pipe and smoke it. The Israeli people aren't stupid...their government sometimes is, but they're not. That's why I think peace is possible...it's the people.
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swamprat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:41am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:50am |
re: #423 Obdicut
It's not supposed to help you on Monday, Walter, it will take until 2014 to ramp up. There's got to be a transition time. I'm sorry that there hasn't been any movement or reform on health insurance up until this point. The problem has been clearly visible for at least a decade, and little if nothing has been done about it.
Not an answer.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:52:42am |
Wow, interesting.
I went to google, and after typing "Rockets Fired" the predictive text options in Google had the following options:
"Rockets Fired From Gaza"
and
"Rockets Fired Into Israel"
heh.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:53:34am |
re: #429 darthstar
I'm not one to quote Haaretz, normally, but I did find this interesting...oh, and I'm supposed to be packing right now.
Haaretz poll: Most Israelis see Obama favorably
Put that in your fear mongering pipe and smoke it. The Israeli people aren't stupid...their government sometimes is, but they're not. That's why I think peace is possible...it's the people.
See my #404
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:53:46am |
re: #399 MandyManners
I'm not into legalizing cocaine and heroin.
Not suggesting unregulated trade, but the only way to get rid of these guys is to take the money outta the equation.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:54:13am |
re: #423 Obdicut
That's simply not true. Individual states have pursued a widely varied policy on their own over the past 2 decades. Some have programs like Colorado, Vermont and Mass., but they've run into major cost problems themselves - mini HCR packages that highlight the problems that the national HCR program will have.
Other states have vastly expanded their Medicaid coverage or CHIP programs.
To say that there's been no HCR in the past decade ignores the work done at the local level and the problems that those programs have encountered.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:55:00am |
re: #426 SixDegrees
Don't write it off until you've explored the options.
I won't. But I didn't think my ex-doctor would even talk to me without an appointment or something like that. I'm not sure if he can. My coverage was with the City of Denver. But I'm not married to a city employee now, and I can't just walk into the employee clinic.
I'll call them and find out if they can transfer the scripts or something. I just need them renewed for two months.
And no, these are not 4 dollar drugs. Over the counter price is 415 dollars for a two month supply.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:55:18am |
re: #429 darthstar
I saw that and posted that above, but then Joo-Liz found that the poll internals and that Haaretz skewed the poll results - fair is actually neutral, such that the poll doesn't purport to show what the headline claims (shocking, I know).
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:56:13am |
re: #413 Obdicut
Oh no, an ellipsis.
Call it draconian if you will; just don't claim to be nonpartisan and call it draconian. It's silly. My support for health care reform comes from a pragmatic base, not an ideological one. I am already paying for the health care costs of the uninsured, and I am sick of doing it in such an ineffective fashion.
If you object to the bill, that's fine, but make your objections on grounds, not on adjectives. Many of these elements have been proposed by Republicans in the past. The bill is already compromised-- there are conservative Democrats who have necessitated it.
And again: What is the cost of not passing this bill? What is the projected cost of continuing in the status quo?
Sorry for yelling, but you seem incapable of absorbing simple logic.
FIX THE ECONOMY FIRST, AND DO NOT FUCK UP THE FUTURE ECONOMY OF THE COUNTRY. PRIORITIZE BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, NOT THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS.
Accept that some things done in times of duress are not good long term solutions. Do you have kids? I do and I see their future being jeopardized for the wrong reasons. The economy will improve when small employers start hiring again. Scaring the shit out of them with major changes like health care will not boost their confidence to hire. Slow down on health care and let the economy start humming again. And I believe it will. Then move on health care. But I don't suppose this logic will get through to you ...
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:57:22am |
re: #436 lawhawk
It's not real unless it's at the federal level; that's politics 101, my friend. What the states do is but a poor imitation of the beneficence and largesse and humanitarianism that can only be found in a federal mandate.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:57:28am |
I do not think that the HCR law will have a negative effect on the US economy in the short term.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:57:38am |
re: #429 darthstar
I'm not one to quote Haaretz, normally, but I did find this interesting...oh, and I'm supposed to be packing right now.
It appears the public was relatively unfazed by the Israeli and American media frenzy over the diplomatic drama. Perhaps Israelis are too busy cleaning and shopping for Passover or looking for cheap vacations.
If foxnews had said that the ADL would be calling for a boycott.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:57:50am |
re: #421 MandyManners
I can't find out how many have been fired since the end of Cast Lead.
Israel MFA Quoting an Israeli NGO (Intelligence & Terrorism Information Center):
Palestinian ceasefire violations since the end of Operation Cast Lead
17 Mar 2010
Since the end of Operation Cast Lead, 147 rockets and 71 mortar shells have been fired into Israel.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:58:34am |
re: #441 prairiefire
I do not think that the HCR law will have a negative effect on the US economy in the short term.
Question is, will the gubment hold onto the taxes taken in for HCR right away? My guess is no.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:58:50am |
re: #417 NJDhockeyfan
One win for the good guys!
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:59:04am |
re: #442 RogueOne
If foxnews had said that the ADL would be calling for a boycott.
The Israeli lefty-media is far to the left in terms of government criticism of anything we see in the US.
See my #404 re: this poll in particular.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:59:10am |
re: #442 RogueOne
Bad tagging, the second block of quoted text was from the article in Darthstar's link.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:59:59am |
Krauthammer weighs in.
Why did President Obama choose to turn a gaffe into a crisis in U.S.-Israeli relations?
SNIP
Israel? Israelis have been looking for peace -- literally dying for peace -- since 1947, when they accepted the U.N. partition of Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state. (The Arabs refused and declared war. They lost.)
Israel made peace offers in 1967, 1978 and in the 1993 Oslo peace accords that Yasser Arafat tore up seven years later to launch a terror war that killed a thousand Israelis. Why, Clinton's own husband testifies to the remarkably courageous and visionary peace offer made in his presence by Ehud Barak (now Netanyahu's defense minister) at the 2000 Camp David talks. Arafat rejected it. In 2008, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered equally generous terms to Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas. Refused again.
In these long and bloody 63 years, the Palestinians have not once accepted an Israeli offer of permanent peace, or ever countered with anything short of terms that would destroy Israel. They insist instead on a "peace process" -- now in its 17th post-Oslo year and still offering no credible Palestinian pledge of ultimate coexistence with a Jewish state -- the point of which is to extract preemptive Israeli concessions, such as a ban on Jewish construction in parts of Jerusalem conquered by Jordan in 1948, before negotiations for a real peace have even begun.
SNIP
So why this astonishing one-sidedness? Because Obama likes appeasing enemies while beating up on allies -- therefore Israel shouldn't take it personally (according to Robert Kagan)? Because Obama wants to bring down the current Israeli coalition government (according to Jeffrey Goldberg)?
Or is it because Obama fancies himself the historic redeemer whose irresistible charisma will heal the breach between Christianity and Islam or, if you will, between the post-imperial West and the Muslim world -- and has little patience for this pesky Jewish state that brazenly insists on its right to exist, and even more brazenly on permitting Jews to live in its ancient, historical and now present capital?
SNIP
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:00:33am |
re: #427 lawhawk
One rocket is too many in any 24 hour period. Yet, Israel is supposed to tolerate a couple within a 24 hour period? Or in a week? Sorry, but there should be a zero-tolerance policy for kassams.
You fire 'em. Israel whacks right back. And they don't stop with just the terrorists firing 'em. You go after the terror masters. And you don't let up when they call for a hudna. You say you wont accept anything other than an unconditional defeat.
Problem is that the political realities of the diplomatic world will never let Israel pursue that strategy to completion since the Palestinians would complain bitterly about collective punishment, etc.
Five, LawHawk. Five rockets.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:00:41am |
re: #446 Joo-LiZ
The Israeli lefty-media is far to the left in terms of government criticism of anything we see in the US.
See my #404 re: this poll in particular.
I was just harassing them over the "maybe their too busy looking for cheap vacations" line. Struck me kinda funny.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:01:20am |
Man, my fingers suck today. Bad tagging, horrible spelling, multiple uses of the same damn word....
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:02:05am |
re: #448 MandyManners
Krauthammer weighs in.
Why did President Obama choose to turn a gaffe into a crisis in U.S.-Israeli relations?
SNIP
Krauthammer usually gets it right ....
SNIP
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:02:24am |
re: #443 Joo-LiZ
Since the end of Operation Cast Lead, 147 rockets and 71 mortar shells have been fired into Israel.
Yet it's a bunch housing units that are frustrating that oh-so-elusive peace process.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:02:32am |
Congresscritter on my radio said he is voting for HCR. He threw down the "If I can help save one life it is all worth it" crap.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:03:06am |
re: #452 _RememberTonyC
I've never seen him mince words.
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Slap Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:03:38am |
Mornin', Lizardia.
Just posted these in the spinoffs, but thought some of y'all might enjoy Mark Morford's latest couple of columns. Warning: wise and wise-assed wordplayfulgood ahead. Hope you enjoy....
Me, I have always found his tumble of words to be entertaining.
And a happy last day of winter to all!
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:03:52am |
re: #417 NJDhockeyfan
that's how that works....too bad one got away
home invasion here last week...some guy smashed his way inside in broad daylight..woman shot him in the head and killed him
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:04:17am |
re: #74 RogueOne
I hope you watched Dead Snow, instant classic. I love zombie flicks.
I'm going to end up watching both. The other choice was "The Importance of Being Earnest", from 1952. People sometimes tell me I could learn a lesson or two from Wilde.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:04:34am |
re: #451 RogueOne
Man, my fingers suck today. Bad tagging, horrible spelling, multiple uses of the same damn word...
OOOH! Haha, I didn't even see that one =S
Yeah. Anyone with their anti-semite-detectors on and vamped to "super-sensitive" would get angry at that one.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:05:29am |
So, which gets the above the fold treatment from MSNBC? The murder of a Thai worker in Israel from a kassam attack or Israel's airstrikes.
Really, this isn't a hard one. Of course, MSNBC pushes the Israel reprisal as the story, not the kassam attack that precipitated Israel's response.
Same as it always is.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:06:22am |
re: #441 prairiefire
I do not think that the HCR law will have a negative effect on the US economy in the short term.
Sure. As long as we have room on the federal credit card, you can create the appearance that everything is fine.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:08:01am |
re: #454 Cannadian Club Akbar
Congresscritter on my radio said he is voting for HCR. He threw down the "If I can help save one life it is all worth it" crap.
They give themselves wayyyyyy too much credit.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:08:34am |
re: #459 Cato the Elder
Any movie with Zombies and Nazis has to be good. If they could have found a way to get an alien involved in the story it would have won an Oscar.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:08:40am |
re: #462 cliffster
Sure. As long as we have room on the federal credit card, you can create the appearance that everything is fine.
I wouldn't worry too awfully much about it; National Debt is only 87.97% of Gross Domestic Product.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:08:45am |
Questions About the Health Care Bill
1) If you start raising taxes immediately for benefits that do not start until 2014, what’s to keep Congress from spending the money in the meantime?
2) If one of the rationales for a government take over of health coverage is that “123 people die every day without insurance”, what rationale is there to delay implementation until 2014, since an additional 180,000 people will die?
3) If a tax on “Cadillac” health plans is needed to fund the program, and Congress delays raising taxes on Union “Cadillac” health plans to 40 percent until 2018 because of Union objections, what guarantee is there that a future Congress will not roll over then as well?
4) If the hurry was to pass this lemon on Sunday so that Obama could sign it before he left the country, since his trip has been delayed until June, why can’t the House take that extra time to debate and vote up or down on the Senate bill?
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:09:22am |
Doesn't this strike anyone as particularly stupid?
A foreign peace activist raises her hands to show she is unarmed after placing a Palestinian flag near the Israeli border with the southern Gaza Strip as she takes part in a protest against an Israeli decision to tighten the border area in Khan Yunis, south of the blockaded strip, on March 18, 2010. An Al-Qaeda-inspired militant group fired a rocket from the Gaza Strip into a kibbutz in southern Israel, killing a foreign worker. It was the first fatal rocket strike since the end of the devastating 22-day offensive against Gaza which launched in December 2008 in response to rocket fire, and Israel vowed a "strong" response.
11:10 a.m. ET, 3/18/10
That is a photo caption, from the photos attached to the MSNBC Article Lawhawk linked to.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:01am |
re: #464 RogueOne
Any movie with Zombies and Nazis has to be good. If they could have found a way to get an alien involved in the story it would have won an Oscar.
You might like The Haunted World of El Superbeasto.
I just added Dead Snow to my watch instantly queue. Zombieland is on my regular queue and I'll probably get it next week.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:25am |
re: #467 Joo-LiZ
Doesn't this strike anyone as particularly stupid?
That is a photo caption, from the photos attached to the MSNBC Article Lawhawk linked to.
If you poke a sleeping tiger with a sharp stick enough times, eventually, it will bite your head off.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:35am |
Caterpillar is geeked about HCR!!
[Link: www.chicagobreakingbusiness.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:38am |
re: #466 NJDhockeyfan
Questions About the Health Care Bill
1) If you start raising taxes immediately for benefits that do not start until 2014, what’s to keep Congress from spending the money in the meantime?
2) If one of the rationales for a government take over of health coverage is that “123 people die every day without insurance”, what rationale is there to delay implementation until 2014, since an additional 180,000 people will die?
3) If a tax on “Cadillac” health plans is needed to fund the program, and Congress delays raising taxes on Union “Cadillac” health plans to 40 percent until 2018 because of Union objections, what guarantee is there that a future Congress will not roll over then as well?
4) If the hurry was to pass this lemon on Sunday so that Obama could sign it before he left the country, since his trip has been delayed until June, why can’t the House take that extra time to debate and vote up or down on the Senate bill?
Just because...
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:11:09am |
re: #35 iceweasel
First, the Worldnut Daily column with that title "Obama is date-raping america"-- it's from almost 2 weeks ago. Look at this excerpt:
The spectacle of a far leftist president literally forcing socialized medicine down the throat of an unwilling center-right America is reminiscent, perhaps more than any other contemporary metaphor, of date rape.
Great. Literally forcing something down the literal throat of an illiberal, illiterate public...bingo!
Have I mentioned that any Lizards literally misusing the word "literal" are literally going to find me hunting them down and literally tearing them a sucking chest wound...with a dictionary?
Literally!
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:11:54am |
re: #466 NJDhockeyfan
He didn't go on the trip because they don't have the votes. They needed him to stick around to help with the arm twisting.
Before someone objects, I'm not saying that is a bad thing. It's part of his job. We've heard quite a bit of whining about the president not showing the leadership needed to get this passed from the dems over the last few months.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:13:02am |
David Plouffe just sent me an email saying that my Rep. needed 796 more phone calls to urge support to pass the HCR bill.
I think that it was CapeCoddah that stated there was no organization of voters on the Left.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:15:02am |
re: #468 Mad Al-Jaffee
You might like The Haunted World of El Superbeasto.
I just added Dead Snow to my watch instantly queue. Zombieland is on my regular queue and I'll probably get it next week.
I really enjoyed Zombieland. I'll have to check out El Superbeasto. The title alone is reason enough to find it.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:15:27am |
re: #466 NJDhockeyfan
The answer is simple.
1) Nothing stops Congress from raiding the tax cushion for other purposes.
2) Implementing the coverage immediately eliminates the tax cushion and throws the fiscal projections out of whack - revealing the far higher cost for HCR than anyone would care to admit.
3) A political deal to curry union favor, minimizing the anger by the unions, and which will mean that a revenue source for the HCR will never be fully realized - again affecting the bottom line. It also shows that the HCR will hit the middle class as a big tax hike, despite protestations to the contrary; which is why the unions fought to get that pushed off into the future - well past the time that Obama would be in office and it would be someone else's problem.
4) This goes back to what I was saying about Obama delaying the trip to Asia. It was nonsense and looks silly when he delayed it for a couple of days when no deal was in sight. It still looks like there isn't a full deal to be signed into law on Sunday - there are still more procedural votes to occur after that date from what I understand, so getting it right (or at least addressing the cost concerns) isn't nearly as important as getting it done.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:15:53am |
OY! Lesson, NOT learned!
Clinton: Escalation "paying off"
In an interview with the BBC's Kim Ghattas today, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the toughness of the U.S. reaction to the Israeli government's East Jerusalem housing announcement last week is "paying off" as the U.S. now expects negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians to resume.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:15:54am |
re: #472 Cato the Elder
I literally DIED when I read that post!
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:16:19am |
Marty Peretz has a god piece in The New Republic:
Housing Bust
Why is Obama so upset with Israel?
[Link: www.tnr.com...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:16:54am |
re: #475 RogueOne
I really enjoyed Zombieland. I'll have to check out El Superbeasto. The title alone is reason enough to find it.
It's a VERY adult-oriented horror/comedy cartoon written by Rob Zombie.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:16:59am |
re: #480 Mad Al-Jaffee
I literally DIED when I read that post!
Sorry, the lizardoid collective doesn't have enough money to pay for your literally exorbitant funeral costs. We'll have to literally throw you into a Dumpster.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:17:16am |
re: #472 Cato the Elder
Great. Literally forcing something down the literal throat of an illiberal, illiterate public...bingo!
Have I mentioned that any Lizards literally misusing the word "literal" are literally going to find me hunting them down and literally tearing them a sucking chest wound...with a dictionary?
Literally!
Littering is bad.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:17:37am |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:18:08am |
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:18:25am |
re: #484 thedopefishlives
Sorry, the lizardoid collective doesn't have enough money to pay for your literally exorbitant funeral costs. We'll have to literally throw you into a Dumpster.
Well, it's not an actual Dumpster, so much as it is a sink-hole out by County Road 666; still, it's about the same size as a Dumpster, and it's the thought that counts.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:18:56am |
re: #483 Mad Al-Jaffee
It's a VERY adult-oriented horror/comedy cartoon written by Rob Zombie.
Who is easily one of the most under-appreciated geniuses of at least the past 15 years.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:19:26am |
re: #477 lawhawk
The answer is simple.
1) Nothing stops Congress from raiding the tax cushion for other purposes.
2) Implementing the coverage immediately eliminates the tax cushion and throws the fiscal projections out of whack - revealing the far higher cost for HCR than anyone would care to admit.
3) A political deal to curry union favor, minimizing the anger by the unions, and which will mean that a revenue source for the HCR will never be fully realized - again affecting the bottom line. It also shows that the HCR will hit the middle class as a big tax hike, despite protestations to the contrary; which is why the unions fought to get that pushed off into the future - well past the time that Obama would be in office and it would be someone else's problem.
4) This goes back to what I was saying about Obama delaying the trip to Asia. It was nonsense and looks silly when he delayed it for a couple of days when no deal was in sight. It still looks like there isn't a full deal to be signed into law on Sunday - there are still more procedural votes to occur after that date from what I understand, so getting it right (or at least addressing the cost concerns) isn't nearly as important as getting it done.
Ok... keeping on my theme from above, assuming that on Sunday the bill passes, what happens on Monday, in general... What kind of coverage, or laws, or taxes happen? Or does nothing happen for two years or so?
Input?
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:19:32am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:20:20am |
re: #489 Guanxi88
Who is easily one of the most under-appreciated geniuses of at least the past 15 years.
I haven't heard any of his music, but I loved The Devil's Rejects.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:20:28am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:20:50am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:22:20am |
Ok... now we have at least 4 inches of snow, still coming down about an inch an hour, big dry flakes (thank goodness it's dry, wet spring snows bring down power lines and trees).
Heading for a foot or more before it stops.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:23:36am |
re: #490 Walter L. Newton
Ok... keeping on my theme from above, assuming that on Sunday the bill passes, what happens on Monday, in general... What kind of coverage, or laws, or taxes happen? Or does nothing happen for two years or so?
Input?
Taxes go up, no change in health care till 2014. It's like paying for a car for 4 years before you are allowed to drive it.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:24:10am |
re: #495 Walter L. Newton
Ok... now we have at least 4 inches of snow, still coming down about an inch an hour, big dry flakes (thank goodness it's dry, wet spring snows bring down power lines and trees).
Heading for a foot or more before it stops.
Time to saddle up the chains to the ol' Waltermobile, methinks.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:24:24am |
re: #479 Joo-LiZ
OY! Lesson, NOT learned!
Clinton is a complete airhead...she has no business dealing with Israel...she a no more than a drooler for the BO admin, the whole lot of them would fuck up a wet dream...watching the govt operate from where I sit is like watching the Keystone Cops...anybody that takes these events seriously, including this HCR fraud needs their head examined...they have been sucked into the scheme....BO/Pelosi/Reid are dysfunctional elitists...I will never support anything they say, do or think...or nearly so...having ant confidence in these people is an utterly laughable notion...good lord, people are stupid
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:25:41am |
I just stumbled across this slide show:
You know you're having a bad day when:
[Link: www.fox2now.com...]
#3 struck me funny. It looks like the poor penguin was pushed.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:26:04am |
re: #492 Mad Al-Jaffee
I haven't heard any of his music, but I loved The Devil's Rejects.
I'm not normally a fan of the genre, but his stuff is quite good. A sort of metal with an industrial element to it, informed by sci-fi and B horror mythology.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:26:08am |
re: #496 NJDhockeyfan
Which is the problem with a huge structural deficit going back some years.
could have remortgaged the country aanother couple of times to get it done next year - but, that makes the deficit even worse (and yes, it can alwaysd be worse).
And it's the down payment on the car that can't be driven for 4 years - not the final payment and a wait.
| 502 |
NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:27:26am |
Scientists hide gold with 3D "invisibility cloak"
German scientists have created a three-dimensional "invisibility cloak" that can hide objects by bending light waves.
The findings, published in the journal Science on Thursday, could in the future make it possible large objects invisible, but for now the researchers said they were not keen to speculate on possible applications.
"For now these...cloaking devices are just a beautiful and exciting benchmark to show what transformation optics can do," said Tolga Ergin of the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology.
Transformation optics use a class of materials called metamaterials that guide and control light.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:27:31am |
re: #500 Guanxi88
I'm not normally a fan of the genre, but his stuff is quite good. A sort of metal with an industrial element to it, informed by sci-fi and B horror mythology.
His movies show that he's a pretty bright, creative guy. I need to see his remake of Halloween 2.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:28:22am |
No way... I don't have anything to do but sit here and watch the "fun" outside. Applying for some jobs. Have a space heater under my desk. I'm comfy.
I'm sending one of the step-critters and friend (he has a Pathfinder) out to get some wood pellets, milk, priority mail boxes for me and snacks.
He lives 6 miles back in a canyon on a dirt road, he's use to slogging through this kind of mess.
It's Colorado, I wouldn't expect less.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:28:31am |
re: #502 NJDhockeyfan
Oh, great. Let's just hope the ninjas never get ahold of these things.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:28:54am |
re: #490 Walter L. Newton
I've been following the posts on Commentary Magazine the last week because they have had very good coverage of the Israel issue. The other big issue they have dealt with throughout the week has been HCR.
Jennifer Rubin thinks that there will be a lot of opposition to the bill even after it passes (especially if it is "deemed" and not voted on), and thinks that the effect will be felt in the midterm elections -- after which the new congress will repeal it.
I really haven't been following the back and forth enough to have an informed opinion... but from what I have seen from the Commentary perspective, the Dems are planning on using a bunch of legal/process loop-holes to pass something that would not otherwise get the votes needed.
If that is the case, I would bet on a big uproar.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:29:25am |
re: #505 thedopefishlives
Oh, great. Let's just hope the ninjas never get ahold of these things.
Or the jooos!
/
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:29:30am |
re: #503 Mad Al-Jaffee
His movies show that he's a pretty bright, creative guy. I need to see his remake of Halloween 2.
One of the first intros to his work I ever had was his "More Human than Human". It intrigued me that anyone would make Bladreunner the source-text for metal, but I saw that there was quite a lot to work with there, and was impressed with what he did.
I have a hard time understanding his lyrics when sung, but find the "libretto" of the liner notes a great help in interpretation and appreciation. And the voice he has.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:30:37am |
re: #509 Guanxi88
I'll try to check out some of his stuff on YouTube this weekend.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:31:58am |
re: #510 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'll try to check out some of his stuff on YouTube this weekend.
(yeah, my wife's a metal-head. A half-cajun Baptist metal-head.)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:32:11am |
re: #507 Mad Al-Jaffee
Or the jooos!
/
That's a silly statement. Everybody that's in on the NWO plot to take over the world knows that all jooos are ninjas./
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:32:19am |
re: #502 NJDhockeyfan
Reading the article -- modest development, but very cool nonetheless!
They don't hide a whole bar of gold, but they do manage to make a "bump" on a piece of gold dissappear.
They say it is still very small scale, but is definite Proof of Principle
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:33:52am |
Why America is Number One:
"Debra J. says she likes shopping at the Dollar Palace because it's convenient and casual. 'I don't have to get all dressed up like I'm going to Wal-Mart or something', she said."
It's not the dressing up for Wal-Mart that bothers me. It's when my friend gets all dressed up after putting her boobies on backwards.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:34:33am |
re: #512 thedopefishlives
That's a silly statement. Everybody that's in on the NWO plot to take over the world knows that all jooos are ninjas./
Heblew ninjas?
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Soap_Man Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:35:03am |
Uh-oh.
Is Sean Hannity's Charity a Scam?
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, indeed? For years, Sean Hannity has hosted “Freedom Concerts” across America. He has claimed that the proceeds are donated to help the children of fallen soldiers pay for college and to pay for the medical care of wounded veterans. But according to conservative blogger Debbie Schlussel, “it’s all a huge scam.” She went through the tax returns of Freedom Alliance, the charity that helps Hannity throw the concerts, and found that less than 20 percent of the money raised goes to these causes—in 2006, for example, Freedom Alliance raised almost $11 million, but only $397,900 was donated to children of fallen soldiers or to injured veterans. $979,485 was spent, meanwhile on consultants, and more than $3 million was spent on postage and shipping and printing. One person tells Schlussel that Hannity demands a private jet and a fleet of Cadillac or Lincoln SUVs to transport him to the concerts.
Before I come to any conclusions, does anyone know if this Debbie Schlussel blogger is legit?
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:35:05am |
re: #508 lawhawk
#12 was the subject of a Mythbusters segment.
I vaguely remember that episode but I'll be damned if I remember the premise. The slideshow has a few armored vehicle screw ups and I've seen those in person. Back in the late 80's (maybe 1990) there were some soviet dignitaries visiting Ft. Bragg and the brass wanted to put on a little show. They set up a tactical air drop of some troops and artillery pieces. The practice run went perfect, during the actual show the artillery piece landed tube first, flipped over and bounced, and took out the bleachers on the opposite side of the field. Funny, funny.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:35:16am |
John Stewart does his Glenn Beck impersonation again....
Jon Stewart's Spends Half His Show Skewering Glenn Beck
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:36:07am |
re: #506 Joo-LiZ
Which is nothing the GOP hasn't done consequence free in the past. Their hypocrisy on the issue of process is staggering.
It will all be whipped up and the bither/nirther/teabagger/10th amendmenters/rick perrys, et.al will become extremely hurt in the rear end quite publically, and hypocritically.
If the dem congress is going to go down in flames it should be on an issue of import like this - trying to cover 40+ million americans with no insurance and minimal access to a healthcare system that purports to be the best in the world for those on the inside pissing out.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:36:22am |
re: #516 Soap_Man
Uh-oh.
Before I come to any conclusions, does anyone know if this Debbie Schlussel blogger is legit?
She a well known dishonest lunatic. I wouldn't take the story too seriously.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:36:25am |
re: #519 wozzablog
none of that being aimed at you Liz.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:37:19am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:37:34am |
Democrats About Six Votes Short on Health Care, Officials Say
Democrats need about six more votes from House members to pass a U.S. health-care overhaul, Obama administration officials said today.
White House and Democratic leaders aim to collect those votes from a pool of about 14 to 15 undecided lawmakers to get to the 216 votes needed to pass the measure, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Obama has met or called about three dozen lawmakers in the last five days and has cleared his schedule today for more last- minute appeals, including a campaign-style rally in nearby Fairfax, Virginia.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:38:15am |
Wow --
General Sheehan - Gay Dutch Soldiers led to Srebrenica massacre....
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:38:56am |
re: #199 Mad Al-Jaffee
There's a big ANSWER antiwar rally in DC this weekend. I wonder if there will be any giant Obama puppets. I doubt it.
Dunno about puppets, but believe me, Obama is no longer on ANSWER's barbecue list.
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Soap_Man Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:39:19am |
re: #520 Killgore Trout
She a well known dishonest lunatic. I wouldn't take the story too seriously.
Thanks for the knowledge.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:40:18am |
re: #519 wozzablog
Which is nothing the GOP hasn't done consequence free in the past. Their hypocrisy on the issue of process is staggering.
It will all be whipped up and the bither/nirther/teabagger/10th amendmenters/rick perrys, et.al will become extremely hurt in the rear end quite publically, and hypocritically.
If the dem congress is going to go down in flames it should be on an issue of import like this - trying to cover 40+ million americans with no insurance and minimal access to a healthcare system that purports to be the best in the world for those on the inside pissing out.
give it to the feds!...they can fix anything!...good lord...it's really hard to take this stuff seriously...the hypocrisy of GOVT is staggering...we are gonna partisanship our asses right down the toilet
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:40:38am |
re: #514 Cato the Elder
Why America is Number One:
It's not the dressing up for Wal-Mart that bothers me. It's when my friend gets all dressed up after putting her boobies on backwards.
Somehow, I don't much care for the modern American peasant; not the hardy, ruddy-cheeked yeoman of yore, with faces lined by honest toil and hearts informed with the simplest of hopes.
Mencken was right - our European brethren can't throw up a hog-pen without making it beautiful; we can't make a church that doesn't look like a hog-pen.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:40:41am |
re: #520 Killgore Trout
She a well known dishonest lunatic. I wouldn't take the story too seriously.
Frum's running with it btw, there is some smoke here and sometimes where there is smoke...
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:40:41am |
re: #520 Killgore Trout
She a well known dishonest lunatic. I wouldn't take the story too seriously.
It's been picked up all over the lefty blogosphere. They either need to dig deeper & fact check, or egg will be on their faces for legitimizing her.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:41:48am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:41:52am |
re: #526 Soap_Man
I just found this on huffpo:
Hannity Freedom Concerts A 'Scam,' Blogger Says
Media Matters For America points out the accuracy of Schlussel's numbers analysis, but withholds judgment on the validity of her claims, as Freedom Alliance does not openly state on its Web site the percentage of raised funds that will go to their specific programs.
It seems the lefties are willing to repeat the accusation without really backing it up. It might be true but take it with a grain of salt.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:43:06am |
House Dems Distrust Senate Dems: Want Senate Letter Before Vote
NBC's David Gregory reports that House Democrats want 'a letter of intent' from Senate Dems -- signed by 51 Senate Dems -- assuring House that they will vote for reconciliation vote, before the House will vote.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:43:13am |
re: #506 Joo-LiZ
The democrats are pulling monumental shenanigans. The hypocrisy is appalling. What's worse are the people who just look the other way because they want the current HCR reform passed. Make fun of Republicans for "crying" and "butthurt". Sure, people, act like a child about very important governing issues. And then wonder why our country's economy is in the dire straits that it's in.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:43:29am |
re: #530 Stanley Sea
It's been picked up all over the lefty blogosphere. They either need to dig deeper & fact check, or egg will be on their faces for legitimizing her.
Or... she may be spot on. But we wouldn't want the truth to get in the way of our partisanship.
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Soap_Man Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:43:56am |
re: #532 Killgore Trout
I just found this on huffpo:
Hannity Freedom Concerts A 'Scam,' Blogger SaysIt seems the lefties are willing to repeat the accusation without really backing it up. It might be true but take it with a grain of salt.
Well, if just the numbers are accurate, then it is a big deal. Having these big concerts with only 20 percent going to the troops and the kids it just, well, shitty. On the other hand, I guess 20 percent is better than nothing.
I'll just sit back and wait to see what happens.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:43:58am |
re: #527 albusteve
They can't fix eevrything, but i posted this to Reine the other night -
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:44:27am |
Jimmy Carter thinks Obama is too pro-Israel:
Carter: US peace efforts feeble
Ex-president calls for balance, says Administration has been too attuned to Israel's sensitivities
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:45:07am |
re: #529 Thanos
Frum's running with it btw, there is some smoke here and sometimes where there is smoke...
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
Hmmmm. I'm still suspicious though. It might be a crappy charity but would Hannity engage in a monetary scam which could be uncovered by a google search? If they were busted cooking the books behind the scenes I could understand. This just seems to easy.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:46:42am |
re: #538 mj
Jimmy Carter thinks Obama is too pro-Israel:
Carter: US peace efforts feeble
Ex-president calls for balance, says Administration has been too attuned to Israel's sensitivities[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Carter probably thinks Hamas and Hezbollah are too pro-Israel.
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:47:20am |
re: #540 Mad Al-Jaffee
Carter probably thinks Hamas and Hezbollah are too pro-Israel.
/
I don't think you needed the sarc tag.
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Silvergirl Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:47:36am |
re: #459 Cato the Elder
I'm going to end up watching both. The other choice was "The Importance of Being Earnest", from 1952. People sometimes tell me I could learn a lesson or two from Wilde.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:47:39am |
re: #536 Soap_Man
Another odd thing: She uses this website as a source but they still rate Hannity's group as a four star charity. I don't know what to make of that.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:48:55am |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:49:08am |
re: #538 mj
Jimmy Carter thinks Obama is too pro-Israel:
Carter: US peace efforts feeble
Ex-president calls for balance, says Administration has been too attuned to Israel's sensitivities[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Jimmy Carter can blow it out his peanuthole.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:49:40am |
re: #532 Killgore Trout
According to Charity Navigator, Freedom Alliance devotes 81% to program expenses, with the remainder for fundraising and administrative. That's not bad - and gives 'em 3 of 4 stars. That's through FY 2007. No word on the last two years.
I would have to look closer at their tax returns for the past two years, but the most damaging accusations are that they claimed 100% of the concert revenues would go to the charities, and that a far lesser amount did. That would be incredibly dishonest if that was true. It would also damage the reputation of that charity and Hannity specifically, who has cultivated quite a following among the military and their families precisely because he does quite a bit for the charity.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:52:06am |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
Hmmm. I'm still suspicious though. It might be a crappy charity but would Hannity engage in a monetary scam which could be uncovered by a google search? If they were busted cooking the books behind the scenes I could understand. This just seems to easy.
Yes, I still smell something wrong - I suspect the reporting on this could be ... let's say "overwrought".... however the initial numbers and look just doesn't look good at all .
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:52:17am |
re: #546 Cato the Elder
Jimmy Carter can blow it out his peanuthole.
love it...that old fuck has gotten away with murder, and nobody has the guts to call him out...nobody has guts any more, just go with the flow
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:52:31am |
re: #536 Soap_Man
Well, if just the numbers are accurate, then it is a big deal. Having these big concerts with only 20 percent going to the troops and the kids it just, well, shitty. On the other hand, I guess 20 percent is better than nothing.
I'll just sit back and wait to see what happens.
Depends on the other 80 percent. You hear stories of big charities spending upwards of 70% of their income on administrative costs, but I think those are overexaggerations.. in fact I think it's just made up. If you read around, it seems like around 10%-15% is about average. In that case, if the charity raises $2 million, then you can get people's dander up by throwing around "they spent $215,000 on their overpaid executives", but in reality it would be pretty normal. That, and the stuff about private jets, etc, are just there to elicit emotions.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:52:37am |
SPIEGEL: Your fiancee is considered the icon of the Iranian opposition movement. How deeply was Neda really involved in the "Green Movement"?
Caspian Makan: Neda wasn't actually politically active. She first got started after the protests began. One of the last things she said was: "Everyone must do something."SPIEGEL: What motivated her?
Makan: She suffered under the regime. As a student, she was patronized and told what to do: How she should wear her headscarf, what make-up and what kind of lipstick was allowed. Freedom was a very big issue for her.
SPIEGEL: Were you and Neda aware of the danger?
Makan: We had a feeling that something would happen. I wanted to keep her from protesting, but Neda said: Even if I get hit by a bullet, the freedom of my people is more important.
SNIP
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:52:51am |
re: #547 lawhawk
Quote from American Spectator, specifically related to the concerts in question:
As Schlussel points out, reputable charities are expected to run with overhead of no more than 25%; these concerts are running with overhead of as much as 96%. I suppose it’s possible that Hannity himself wasn’t aware of what the balance sheet looks like, but a source tells Schlussel that Freedom Alliance founder Oliver North confronted Hannity at one point about how much of the charity’s money was being spent on private jets, luxury SUVs, and hotel suite. If that’s true, Hannity has a lot of explaining to do.
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:54:55am |
re: #549 albusteve
love it...that old fuck has gotten away with murder, and nobody has the guts to call him out...nobody has guts any more, just go with the flow
Someone did call him out:
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:55:22am |
re: #553 Stanley Sea
if it was a true charity event fees would be being waived, non-commercial rates negotiated and generally things would be quite a lot less high tone.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:55:34am |
re: #550 Cato the Elder
Cato, are you, or have you ever been, a Communist?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:55:36am |
PA Supreme Shari'a Judge Calls For Anti-Israel Demonstrations, Rage Marches
The Palestinian Authority's supreme shari'a judge Taysir Al-Tamimi has called on the Islamic ummah to consider Friday, Marcy 19, 2010 a special day for rescuing Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa mosque, and to hold demonstrations and marches of rage against Israel.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:55:37am |
re: #436 lawhawk
I also forgot about Medicare part D. Your right-- there have been local attempts at fixing HCR. You seem to feel they've all been unmitigated failures, which is kind of baffling.
Again:
What is the cost of not passing this plan? What is the cost of doing nothing and moving forwards with the status quo?
Why have I never, ever gotten an answer to that question?
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:57:02am |
re: #543 Killgore Trout
Moreover, the Form 990s, which are the basis for Charity Navigator, only go back to FY 2007.
Freedom Alliance has FY 2008 Form 990 available here.
And what it shows doesn't quite jibe with her claims. They had lower revenues compared to 2007, but for the 2008 year - $8.7 million in revenues. Their expenses were $6.7 million, which was lower than the prior year. Revenue less expense was roughly $2 million. Net assets were essentially unchanged from the prior year.
The big differences were lower investment income and contributions and grants on the revenue side and more grants and similar amounts paid (about $400k, and $200k more in salary, while a drop of $180k in professional fundraising fees).
To me, I don't see a problem based on the Form 990 filing.
2009 data isn't available for 'em just yet.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:57:28am |
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:57:49am |
re: #558 Obdicut
Part D was a boondoggle from the start because no one was cut free to negotatie drug prices properly.
It was a Republican give away to the pharmaceutical firms.
Go figure.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:58:12am |
re: #529 Thanos
Frum's running with it btw, there is some smoke here and sometimes where there is smoke...
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
He's quoting her.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:59:08am |
re: #538 mj
Jimmy Carter thinks Obama is too pro-Israel:
Carter: US peace efforts feeble
Ex-president calls for balance, says Administration has been too attuned to Israel's sensitivities[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Fuck Carter.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:59:30am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:59:45am |
re: #558 Obdicut
I also forgot about Medicare part D. Your right-- there have been local attempts at fixing HCR. You seem to feel they've all been unmitigated failures, which is kind of baffling.
Again:
What is the cost of not passing this plan? What is the cost of doing nothing and moving forwards with the status quo?
Why have I never, ever gotten an answer to that question?
You couldn't even answer me what happens on Monday if this passes... Never mind, I found the answers myself.
Not much happens, by the way.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:00:24am |
Hamas: PA must unleash the resistance
The resistance is ready to "painfully strike at the heart of the occupation if any harm comes to Al-Aqsa," a Hamas official told protesters out in support of Jerusalem on Friday.
Massive rallies were held in south and central Gaza, organized by Hamas and Islamic Jihad in support of the Al-Aqsa Mosque and in protest of the rededication of a Jerusalem synagogue in the Old City.
Hamas leader, Mushir Al-Masri told protesters in the central Strip that "neither siege nor borders will stop us from moving to Al-Aqsa when it is harmed," referring to what many believed was a series of provocative actions culminating in the rededication of a synagogue 300 meters from the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Monday.
....He called on the Palestinian Authority to "release of hundreds of political prisoners" and "unleash the resistance to fight the occupation."
The Hamas official said negotiations with Israel must end and called on the PA to declare them a failure. "Gaza is strong," he said, "any Israeli attempt to strike Gaza will not force us to surrender."
In Rafah, Islamic Jihad organizers called on the Palestinian resistance to escalate and respond to "the Israeli crimes in Jerusalem, Hebron and in support of Al-Aqsa."
If Israel will just stop building apartments all the rage & anger will magically disappear.
///
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:00:46am |
Frum tweeted this a bit ago:
Getting to 18 hours since Schlussel post - and not a word of defense/explanation of Hannity? Anybody? Anybody?
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:00:53am |
re: #566 Walter L. Newton
This was never about day one after the bills passage. It's about turning around a massive oiltanker threatening to swallow up 30% of GDP.
That takes time.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:03am |
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:06am |
Is there ANY story about the charity that doesn't start with Schussel?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:09am |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:13am |
re: #558 Obdicut
I also forgot about Medicare part D. Your right-- there have been local attempts at fixing HCR. You seem to feel they've all been unmitigated failures, which is kind of baffling.
Again:
What is the cost of not passing this plan? What is the cost of doing nothing and moving forwards with the status quo?
Why have I never, ever gotten an answer to that question?
because it's rhetorical?....can you name anybody on this blog who wants to 'move forward with the status quo'?....trust in govt fix it plans is sheer folly
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:32am |
re: #558 Obdicut
They're failures because each implementation runs into the exact same problem - they keep costing more than the proponents claimed, and the only way to get the books balanced is to hike premiums, cut services, or a combination of the above.
The cost of doing nothing? We aren't doing nothing even if HCR at the federal level stalls. States are more than free to figure out their own way to figure how to reduce the costs locally and how to provide for their individual insurance standards themselves. Each state is more than free to pursue their own individual plan that can somehow figure out how to deal with the rising costs and expenses without blowing the bank (which is already tapped out).
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:38am |
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mj Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:02:39am |
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:02:42am |
re: #574 albusteve
and the private secotor has done such a bang up job thus far throwing those who can least afford it uner the bus.
just sayin'
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:03:44am |
re: #567 NJDhockeyfan
Hamas: PA must unleash the resistance
If Israel will just stop building apartments all the rage & anger will magically disappear.
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Or if Hamas would start building them.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:04:04am |
re: #572 MandyManners
Is there ANY story about the charity that doesn't start with Schussel?
Doesn't look like it.
That's the problem. What if a shitty blogger breaks a real story? They have no credibility. It's up to others now to either fact check it one way or another.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:05:10am |
re: #575 lawhawk
States aren't free to do anything - they are bankrupt.
Part of the reason stuimulus went to keeping graduating police recruits/teachers/firefighters on payroll, rather than increasing numbers further, was because they had run out of immediate term funds for existing projects due to significant tax flow problems because fo the sinking ship economy.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:05:30am |
re: #579 wozzablog
and the private secotor has done such a bang up job thus far throwing those who can least afford it uner the bus.
just sayin'
And I am still looking for anything about this bill that tells me how I can get coverage in case I don't have a job, no income and no way to pay any premiums. Searches about the benefits of this bill leads me to a lot of articles, framed from both political sides of the issue, but I still haven't found the answer. Does anyone have an answer.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:06:02am |
re: #575 lawhawk
Wow. That's seriously your argument? That the federal government has no place or responsibility to fix health insurance? Even though the federal government obviously already regulates health insurance, so any reform of it will have to involve them.
That's stunning.
Even if you think the current plan is wrong, to deny that the federal government has a role is amazing. And that you are relying on the states figuring out a solution right after you deride all of the previously-engaged state solutions as fialures; double amazing.
Again: What will the failure to pass this bill cost, all other things being equal? Leaving aside your solution where states 'somehow figure out' a solution, what will the cost be?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:06:27am |
re: #583 Walter L. Newton
And I am still looking for anything about this bill that tells me how I can get coverage in case I don't have a job, no income and no way to pay any premiums. Searches about the benefits of this bill leads me to a lot of articles, framed from both political sides of the issue, but I still haven't found the answer. Does anyone have an answer.
As soon as it's passed, a team of flying unicorns will be dispatched to your home to solve all of your problems.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:06:48am |
An interesting series of posts at Commentary explores the administrations rhetoric when dealing with the Palestinians.
First Jennifer questions the following statement by Obama:
In his interview with Bret Baier on Fox News yesterday, Obama said: “And what we’ve said is we need both sides to take steps to make sure that we can rebuild trust, and yesterday when there were riots by the Palestinians against a synagogue that had reopened, we condemned them in the same way because what we need right now is both sides to recognize that is in their interests to move this peace process forward”.
Then, Jennifer decided to e-mail the White House and get a clarification.
He replied this afternoon, citing the very same language I recited in my earlier post. He added: “So are we using our leverage? We are using our leverage. But we also recognize that these are difficult issues for both sides. So we are using our leverage, but we have to be realistic at the same time.” I’m not sure what that means — that it’s not “realistic” to condemn Palestinian violence?
But, wait — none of those statements, which both Vietor and I are looking at, use the word “condemn.” I have asked Vietor again: “So what was the President referring to when he said to Baier ‘we condemned them in the same way’?” Let’s see what the White House has to say
Today, Jennifer points out Clinton again condemned Israel in Russia, and discusses the use of the language against Israel.
She pronounces, in case anyone had missed it, that “we all condemned the announcement, and we all are expecting both parties to move toward the proximity talks and to help create an atmosphere in which those talks can be constructive.” ... No provocation of violence, no murder by Israel’s foes warrants such a retort. (Funny how the White House never got back to me on my follow-up inquiry.) Israel is in a class by itself.And the Quartet gets into the “condemn” act.
Now, Rick Richman points out that Biden is also saying that the US "condemned" the Palestinians -- but did we?
Did the secretary of state personally call Abbas and Fayyed and tell them the issue wasn’t the timing but the substance? Did she tell them that it would destroy the confidence of Israelis in their “peace partner”? Did she demand they take “specific actions” to demonstrate their commitment to the peace process and “American interests”? Did she require they establish a process to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again? Did she demand a public apology? Did she call the establishment of a public square to honor a terrorist who murdered an American an “insult” and an “affront” to the United States? Did she direct her press spokesman to call a press conference to announce her call and relay to the world what she had said? Did she send anyone out to the Sunday talk shows to repeat the condemnation? Did she demand a prompt call-back to inform her of what they had decided to do in response to her condemnation?
My question is: the administration SAYS they have condemned these actions by Palestinians. If there hasn't been an explicit speech or press conference where they stated it originally, if they refer to themselves as having 'condemned' it in a past tense -- should that be good enough?
Rick points out how lop-sided the criticism has been regardless.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:07:13am |
re: #583 Walter L. Newton
Iceweasel has posted a good chart in the past that explains it.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:07:44am |
re: #585 Mad Al-Jaffee
As soon as it's passed, a team of flying unicorns will be dispatched to your home to solve all of your problems.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but I am asking a serious question...
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:10:17am |
How about Manuel de los Santos?
He was a promising young baseball player from the Dominican Republic with hopes of making his fortune as a professional. But such thoughts were brought to a shuddering end the day Manuel de los Santos was struck by a car while riding his motorcycle and awoke from a coma four days later to discover that his life had been turned upside down.
At 18, his left leg has been cut off above the knee and, as far as he was concerned, his future looked bleak.
This week, at the Alfred Dunhill Links Championship in Scotland — the one tournament on the European Tour in which amateurs are paired with professionals — De los Santos will fulfil a dream by playing at St Andrews, the home of golf. He will not be there to make up the numbers, but to compete for all he is worth.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:10:35am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:10:43am |
re: #588 Walter L. Newton
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but I am asking a serious question...
Really? You think I believe in flying unicorns?
No, I was answering it in the voice of a die-hard Obama supporter, the way they would have circa January 2009.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:10:48am |
re: #547 lawhawk
....the most damaging accusations are that they claimed 100% of the concert revenues would go to the charities, and that a far lesser amount did. That would be incredibly dishonest if that was true.
Yeah, that could be bad.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:10:53am |
re: #583 Walter L. Newton
If the public option had been included as intended - rather than being sold down river to a very large extent - there would be.
Subsidys and extra tax breaks would have covered you into the public plan - originally before that aspect got gutted.
Medicare rolls will be expanded though (last i heard) as a result of the public option being substantially gutted and the fitful panic to try and cover as many people as possible under existing schemes.
PArt of the reason the bill is so big is that with the Public Option and mass medicare exspansions currently being under the bus millions of little things are being done around some very specific edges to increase coverage.
It's a dogs dinner, but hopefully the start of something better.
In a few more years the extra mods will hopefully be united into a proper public plan - but onlyu if the dems can hang on in there.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:11:37am |
re: #584 Obdicut
Wow. That's seriously your argument? That the federal government has no place or responsibility to fix health insurance? Even though the federal government obviously already regulates health insurance, so any reform of it will have to involve them.
That's stunning.
Even if you think the current plan is wrong, to deny that the federal government has a role is amazing. And that you are relying on the states figuring out a solution right after you deride all of the previously-engaged state solutions as fialures; double amazing.
Again: What will the failure to pass this bill cost, all other things being equal? Leaving aside your solution where states 'somehow figure out' a solution, what will the cost be?
In my (again: relatively uninformed) view... the Federal government has a role in regulation. It should not be running healthcare. Any change by the government should strictly be limited to how things are regulated, but should not be mandating a particular option or creating an option run by the government.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:12:19am |
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:12:54am |
re: #584 Obdicut
Why do you suppose it is that costs are going up so quickly?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:13:24am |
re: #586 Joo-LiZ
Did you see Krauthammer nail the bias in No. 448?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:13:31am |
re: #547 lawhawk
According to Charity Navigator, Freedom Alliance devotes 81% to program expenses, with the remainder for fundraising and administrative. That's not bad - and gives 'em 3 of 4 stars. That's through FY 2007. No word on the last two years.
I would have to look closer at their tax returns for the past two years, but the most damaging accusations are that they claimed 100% of the concert revenues would go to the charities, and that a far lesser amount did. That would be incredibly dishonest if that was true. It would also damage the reputation of that charity and Hannity specifically, who has cultivated quite a following among the military and their families precisely because he does quite a bit for the charity.
That seems to be to be a very high percentage going to fundraising and administrative expenses.
Now, some of that may be to pay the artists who give concerts at these things, and if so, then that would be understandable.
But if the artists are donating their time, then 81% going to fundraising and administrative seems high to me.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:14:08am |
re: #593 wozzablog
If the public option had been included as intended - rather than being sold down river to a very large extent - there would be.
Subsidys and extra tax breaks would have covered you into the public plan - originally before that aspect got gutted.
Medicare rolls will be expanded though (last i heard) as a result of the public option being substantially gutted and the fitful panic to try and cover as many people as possible under existing schemes.
PArt of the reason the bill is so big is that with the Public Option and mass medicare exspansions currently being under the bus millions of little things are being done around some very specific edges to increase coverage.
It's a dogs dinner, but hopefully the start of something better.
In a few more years the extra mods will hopefully be united into a proper public plan - but onlyu if the dems can hang on in there.
So... there will be no benefit to someone who may be in my situation. No job, no income, to way to pay for 415 dollars every two months for prescriptions... no benefit at all.
Right?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:15:09am |
re: #594 Joo-LiZ
In my (again: relatively uninformed) view... the Federal government has a role in regulation. It should not be running healthcare. Any change by the government should strictly be limited to how things are regulated, but should not be mandating a particular option or creating an option run by the government.
Agreed.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:15:45am |
re: #596 cliffster
It's multifacted. Have you read this article by Atul Gawande, comparing the different costs in health care between two areas in Texas operating under the same regulatory conditions?
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]
He points out a long of very good things about health care costs, including the cultural element to them and the current way that costs are both occluded from customers and set up in a way as to make certain physician specialties more rewarding than primary care-- one reason we have a critical shortage of good primary care doctors.
It's an excellent read, especially since he is one of those specialists that benefits hugely from the current physician compensation system.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:15:48am |
re: #585 Mad Al-Jaffee
As soon as it's passed, a team of flying unicorns will be dispatched to your home to solve all of your problems.
I'll hook it up to a plow to get the garden ready.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:15:50am |
re: #594 Joo-LiZ
In my (again: relatively uninformed) view... the Federal government has a role in regulation. It should not be running healthcare. Any change by the government should strictly be limited to how things are regulated, but should not be mandating a particular option or creating an option run by the government.
How about a public option regulated by the government? Like, you know,
Medicare?
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:16:00am |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:16:55am |
re: #579 wozzablog
and the private secotor has done such a bang up job thus far throwing those who can least afford it uner the bus.
just sayin'
I'm not saying govt has no role whatsoever with reform...I'm extremely disgusted with the feds and always have been, but I'm not a screaming zealot or anarchist....this 'crisis' bullshit has to stop...clearly the HCR has been politicized for decades...I have no more confidence in this HCR than I do for the Stimulus...I don't give a shit who's behind it or in power....we can do better if people were more concerned with results rather than politics...the marriage of congress to Wall Street, unions, lobbyists, and now religion has come home to roost again...govt is contaminated
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:16:57am |
re: #602 MandyManners
I'll hook it up to a plow to get the garden ready.
Who needs a plow? I'll just tell it to till with its horn.
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MJ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:17:02am |
re: #586 Joo-LiZ
An interesting series of posts at Commentary explores the administrations rhetoric when dealing with the Palestinians.
First Jennifer questions the following statement by Obama:
My question is: the administration SAYS they have condemned these actions by Palestinians. If there hasn't been an explicit speech or press conference where they stated it originally, if they refer to themselves as having 'condemned' it in a past tense -- should that be good enough?
Rick points out how lop-sided the criticism has been regardless.
I read every the State Department briefing. There has not been one single instance where the Obama Adminstration "condemned" any action by the Palestinians including the one Obama said his administration condemned during that interview with Brett Baier.
Yesterday, I noticed this double standard coming out of the State Department:
Iran Dispute Becomes Focus of Clinton’s Russia Trip
Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin said the much delayed plant, near the Iranian city of Bushehr, would go into operation this summer, though he did not give a date. His comments, made at a meeting of nuclear officials, came on the day that Mrs. Clinton arrived here for talks with Russian leaders about an arms control agreement, Iran, the Middle East, and other issues...
...A senior American official played down the clash over Iran in Russia, saying he did not believe Mr. Putin intended to embarrass Mrs. Clinton. The United States, he said, did not oppose Russia’s involvement in the Bushehr plant, only the timing of Tuesday’s announcement.
[Link: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]...]
So lets see if we understand this right. An ally of the US- Israel- makes an ill-timed announcement and this administration goes nuclear on them.
Russia, a country which can hardly be called an ally of the US, makes an ill-timed announcement about a nuclear plant being built in another country which is a declared enemy of the West and this administration seeks to play it down.
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blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:17:43am |
re: #583 Walter L. Newton
And I am still looking for anything about this bill that tells me how I can get coverage in case I don't have a job, no income and no way to pay any premiums. Searches about the benefits of this bill leads me to a lot of articles, framed from both political sides of the issue, but I still haven't found the answer. Does anyone have an answer.
Well it will increase eligibility for Medicaid for one. Also there will be subsidies to make premiums affordable.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:17:56am |
re: #597 MandyManners
Did you see Krauthammer nail the bias in No. 448?
Yup. But the point of my #586 isn't so much about the bias. It is that the administration is claiming publicly, on the record, to have done something (condemn the Palestinian incitement) that it is not at all clear they have.
I find that kind of strange.
But again, the question is, even though they are saying it in past tense, is it the same as actually making the initial condemnation?
I'm curious what other lizards think... not just the usual crowd interested in Israel issues. (No offense to those who are)
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:18:21am |
re: #594 Joo-LiZ
To me, since health insurance is a naturally broken market (it's inelastic, and the best customer for a health insurance company is someone who never gets sick, whereas the worst one is someone who's chronically ill) and since health insurance companies are rent-seeking entities, the amount of regulation necessary to get insurance companies to actually cover everyone in an affordable manner is so onerous that there is no reason to prefer it.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:18:51am |
re: #599 Walter L. Newton
I can't speak for your position - i honestly don't know under the bill as it stands.
When the whole thing gets written up and the terms of each programme expansion defined - hopefully broadly - i want there to be something in there for you. I honestly can't say either way.
The original Bill Obama wanted to sign would have helped you - a self destruction of all sense on the Hill has screwed a lot of deserving people over.
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Soap_Man Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:18:57am |
re: #608 blueraven
Well it will increase eligibility for Medicaid for one. Also there will be subsidies to make premiums affordable.
That doesn't help if someone has little to no income, as Walter said. Unless said person is eligible for Medicare, which many wont...
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:19:13am |
re: #589 cliffster
I'm watching day 2 of the pro-am on the European Tour, and De los Santos is playing. This guy is unbelievable. He has one leg. Hits the ball a ton, and straight.. great short game. And he has some very obvious swing flaws that, if he corrected them, would make him much straighter.
Watch this if you start feeling sorry for yourself about something.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:20:24am |
re: #608 blueraven
Well it will increase eligibility for Medicaid for one. Also there will be subsidies to make premiums affordable.
I'm trying to find concrete examples, link me to something that explains that. What do you mean by "increase eligibility for Medicaid."
And currently, I have no income... so, currently to make "make premiums affordable" for me would be FREE HEALTH CARE.
Concrete examples please. (and yes, I'm trying to locate the info myself, but I can't seem to find it... can you?)
| 617 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:21:10am |
re: #582 wozzablog
States aren't free to do anything - they are bankrupt.
Part of the reason stuimulus went to keeping graduating police recruits/teachers/firefighters on payroll, rather than increasing numbers further, was because they had run out of immediate term funds for existing projects due to significant tax flow problems because fo the sinking ship economy.
the tax flow was NEVER enough to pay for it....it's been going on forever, and now the future has smacked them in the face....spending money you don't have has caught up with them...and the states have no one to blame but their own legislators and the voters that have allowed it
| 618 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:21:37am |
re: #606 MandyManners
Who needs a plow? I'll just tell it to till with its horn.
It'll get a neck cramp. PETA will be all over you.
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webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:21:42am |
re: #583 Walter L. Newton
And I am still looking for anything about this bill that tells me how I can get coverage in case I don't have a job, no income and no way to pay any premiums. Searches about the benefits of this bill leads me to a lot of articles, framed from both political sides of the issue, but I still haven't found the answer. Does anyone have an answer.
Walter, maybe one of these pages will help:
[Link: www.rules.house.gov...]
[Link: edlabor.house.gov...]
| 620 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:22:45am |
re: #616 Walter L. Newton
I'm trying to find concrete examples, link me to something that explains that. What do you mean by "increase eligibility for Medicaid."
And currently, I have no income... so, currently to make "make premiums affordable" for me would be FREE HEALTH CARE.
Concrete examples please. (and yes, I'm trying to locate the info myself, but I can't seem to find it... can you?)
Walter, call your Colorado Medicaid office.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:23:05am |
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:23:34am |
re: #607 MJ
There are just too many examples to use in the double-standard watch.
Yours is a very good one. My personal favorite though is Syria inviting Ahmedinejad (and Nasrallah) to Damascus the day after the US decides to send an envoy, and Clinton asks for Assad to reduce ties with Iran.
During that conference, Assad removed visa requirements for Iranians, and mockingly commenting to the media. "Oh yes, I have invited Ahmedinejad to reduce our ties".
Zero response to an OBVIOUS, and ACTUAL insult.
| 623 |
BaseballMom57 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:23:46am |
re: #352 albusteve
Congratulations to all, especially to new Mommy, who may be in some pain this morning after an 8 pound push. I hope everyone is resting comfortably!
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:23:49am |
re: #613 Soap_Man
Single payer/public option/no decline sliding scale plans.
All off the table from the start due to the "conciences" of Senators to whom corporations pay a lot of money to maintain the status quo.
If any of thsoe three things were available there would be help.
They were shouted off the table (ainglepayer way back when) in the name of Liberty.
| 625 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:23:51am |
The NeoConfederates are back...
Rep. Paul Broun: The ramifications of health reform will be like ‘the Great War of Yankee Aggression.’
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:24:16am |
re: #584 Obdicut
Wow. That's seriously your argument? That the federal government has no place or responsibility to fix health insurance? Even though the federal government obviously already regulates health insurance, so any reform of it will have to involve them.That's stunning.
Even if you think the current plan is wrong, to deny that the federal government has a role is amazing. And that you are relying on the states figuring out a solution right after you deride all of the previously-engaged state solutions as fialures; double amazing.
Again: What will the failure to pass this bill cost, all other things being equal? Leaving aside your solution where states 'somehow figure out' a solution, what will the cost be?
what's stunning is you base an entire post on something he never said...it's a habit you have
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:24:28am |
re: #620 Stanley Sea
Yeah, Walter, if your income is really running on zero, you already qualify for Medicaid, so you should seek that out.
[Link: www.colorado.gov...]
That's the page with resources currently available to you.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:25:51am |
re: #625 Killgore Trout
The NeoConfederates are back...
Rep. Paul Broun: The ramifications of health reform will be like ‘the Great War of Yankee Aggression.’
Now there's a wretch who makes me retch.
But he said it with a grin, so no dogwhistle, eh?
| 629 |
subsailor68 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:26:01am |
Morning all! Medicare is often cited as a "public option", or as how government can - and does - provide health insurance. Unfortunately, there appears to be two looming issues with this program.
First, physicians are becoming more and more reluctant to take on new Medicare patients. And this reluctance is increased with the news that the HCR legislation includes cuts to Medicare.
Second, the program has incurred an unfunded liability (as of the last trustee report issued last May) of about $38 trillion dollars. And they define unfunded liabilities as the cost of services promised, but not covered by taxes over the next 75 years.
I would hope that legislators take these issues into consideration as they ponder the future of health insurances in this country.
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:26:37am |
the problem with Washington, D.C. is that it is being run by people who have never worked for a living.
I think that a prerequisite to getting elected is that the elected official can provide proof that he/she has chopped a 16-inch diameter tree down by hand, alone.
only using an ax and buck saw (ie. hand tools).
with pay for this effort at the prevailing wage.
Welcome to understanding the value of a dollar.
imo.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:26:43am |
re: #619 webevintage
Walter, maybe one of these pages will help:
[Link: www.rules.house.gov...]
[Link: edlabor.house.gov...]
No... I am not a lawyer, a politician, I'm not going to try to scrape through 2000 pages of a bill that many politicians can't even explain to me.
Interesting that a simple question, if I have no income, no job, no way to copay a premium, will this bill help me...
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:27:08am |
re: #617 albusteve
States have been cutting as fast as the unfunded federal mandates have been flowing for the last 20 years. Costs for everything keep going up too and the scope states have for bargaining is sometimes hamstrung because *it's an unfair advantage*./
They cut - but the money they cut has to go elsewhere on dicat in place of money the feds should have stumped up for one programme or another.
Many states are providing barebones services and still being hammered.
| 633 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:27:23am |
BTW, those of you who do support the HC legislation should take sometime today and call your House Rep.
If they are voting yes they could probably use a nice "thank you" since they are being inundated with calls from tea party Rush listening folks.
If they are one of the folks listed here:
[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
then they need to hear from their constituants that there is support out there in their district.
The voices against are so loud and so shrill that those of us who support this are getting lost.
And Balloon Juice has a handy guide for folks who have never called before.
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
| 634 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:27:48am |
The shit we're going through now almost makes me with the Clintons' HC plan had passed back in the 90s. At least our economy was stronger then.
| 635 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:28:19am |
re: #628 Cato the Elder
Minorities are fleeing the Republican party at a record pace because of this crap. Makes me furious.
| 637 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:28:43am |
re: #634 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yup, that surplus would sure come in handy right about now.
| 638 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:28:44am |
re: #631 Walter L. Newton
Interesting that a simple question, if I have no income, no job, no way to copay a premium, will this bill help me...
Yes it will.
But you should already qualify for Medicare or Medicaid.
| 639 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:29:09am |
re: #627 Obdicut
Yeah, Walter, if your income is really running on zero, you already qualify for Medicaid, so you should seek that out.
[Link: www.colorado.gov...]
That's the page with resources currently available to you.
Yes, that was very helpful. Nothing there that covers me.
| 640 |
subsailor68 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:29:17am |
re: #631 Walter L. Newton
No... I am not a lawyer, a politician, I'm not going to try to scrape through 2000 pages of a bill that many politicians can't even explain to me.
Interesting that a simple question, if I have no income, no job, no way to copay a premium, will this bill help me...
Hi Walter! Here's a quick-reference guide (from Huffington Post, but appears to be pretty good) that breaks down some of the issues in the legislation. I'm not all that comfortable with some of these:
| 641 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:30:04am |
re: #633 webevintage
I did! The slightly exasperated Republican staffer said he would pass along my concerns to the Representative.
| 642 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:30:08am |
re: #635 Killgore Trout
Minorities are fleeing the Republican party at a record pace because of this crap. Makes me furious.
Republicans are fleeing the Republican party at a record pace because of this crap. It's not the Republican party anymore, it's the Dixiecrat theoconstabulary.
| 643 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:30:17am |
re: #601 Obdicut
I submit that the factors causing cost to increase are completely separate from the stuff about increasing availability. "providing coverage for 30 million people" as it were. That's one thing that pisses me off about all this. The controlling cost thing is apples and oranges to providing coverage to the poor.
| 644 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:30:23am |
| 645 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:30:34am |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
First of all, that's untrue-- at the very least, there's free preventative care for some issues, plus the subsidies-- second of all, again, if your income is hovering around zero, you qualify for Medicaid. I linked the Colorado Medicaid information above; you should apply. You don't need to wait.
| 646 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:30:39am |
re: #623 BaseballMom57
Congratulations to all, especially to new Mommy, who may be in some pain this morning after an 8 pound push. I hope everyone is resting comfortably!
thanks...all's well, and I am very proud of them...the whole thing has been a fun, happy experience because they made it that way
| 647 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:30:55am |
re: #638 webevintage
Yes it will.
But you should already qualify for Medicare or Medicaid.
I just looked that up. I didn't know that. I though that it was only for people who were at a certain age. I see this page... maybe there is some answers here...
[Link: www.cms.hhs.gov...]
| 648 |
wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:31:17am |
re: #630 WindHorse
the problem with Washington, D.C. is that it is being run by people who have never worked for a living.
I think that a prerequisite to getting elected is that the elected official can provide proof that he/she has chopped a 16-inch diameter tree down by hand, alone.
only using an ax and buck saw (ie. hand tools).
with pay for this effort at the prevailing wage.
Welcome to understanding the value of a dollar.
imo.
As someone with too much work piled up to enjoy hanging out at LGF this morning, I agree. I'm just glad that I don't have to chop down trees!
BBL.
| 649 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:31:25am |
re: #643 cliffster
I submit that the factors causing cost to increase are completely separate from the stuff about increasing availability. "providing coverage for 30 million people" as it were. That's one thing that pisses me off about all this. The controlling cost thing is apples and oranges to providing coverage to the poor.
Well, it definitely is apples and oranges, because the uninsured and uncovered get medical treatment all the time, at the ER.
I'm not quite sure what you meant, though-- did you read the article I linked? It's really very interesting.
| 650 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:31:29am |
| 651 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:33:43am |
re: #650 Thanos
Kenna. If you've never heard him, give a listen.
I think he might be right up your alley.
| 652 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:34:45am |
If everyone hasn't figured this out it's straight ahead pop music neo bubble gum friday am.....
| 654 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:35:34am |
re: #645 Obdicut
First of all, that's untrue-- at the very least, there's free preventative care for some issues, plus the subsidies-- second of all, again, if your income is hovering around zero, you qualify for Medicaid. I linked the Colorado Medicaid information above; you should apply. You don't need to wait.
I just looked that up. I didn't know that. I though that Medicaid was only for people who were at a certain age. I see this page... maybe there is some answers here...
Thanks...
| 655 |
MJ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:35:57am |
re: #622 Joo-LiZ
There are just too many examples to use in the double-standard watch.
Yours is a very good one. My personal favorite though is Syria inviting Ahmedinejad (and Nasrallah) to Damascus the day after the US decides to send an envoy, and Clinton asks for Assad to reduce ties with Iran.
During that conference, Assad removed visa requirements for Iranians, and mockingly commenting to the media. "Oh yes, I have invited Ahmedinejad to reduce our ties".
Zero response to an OBVIOUS, and ACTUAL insult.
Another double double standard came out of the EU yesterday.
European Foreign Policy chief Baroness Catherine Ashton went into Gaza just before the missile attack which killed a Thai farmer. Ashton could not even bring herself to unequivocally condemn that terrorist attack. She said:
"I condemn any kind of violence. We have got to find a peaceful solution to the issues and problems..."
...What we have been saying to the Israelis for a long time is that we need to allow aid into this region, to be able to support the economy to grow for people to have the things they are clearly lacking."
In other words, "condemn" all generic attacks- which, of course, includes Israels response as when it went into Gaza- but not this specific terrorist attack by Hamas. And, then to link that attack to the so-called lack aid being allowed to reach Gaza.
| 656 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:36:48am |
I do have another general question. The Medicaid site says "Medicaid is health insurance that helps many people who can't afford medical care pay for some or all of their medical bills."
Then why do we need this 985 billion dollar bill. Isn't this the governmental vehicle to take care of people who need help with medical care?
| 657 |
BaseballMom57 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:37:28am |
re: #437 Walter L. Newton
Walter,
I don't have any suggestions different than the others have posted, but my husband used to take a dozen pills a day. The cost was killing us, even with full insurance. I spoke to the pharmacist about the cost, and he suggested several alternatives to the higher-priced ones. He said the alternatives were older drugs, but worked just as well as the new, higher priced ones. He explained the whole drug-rep's weekly visit to the doctors' offices, and said doctors are urged to prescribe the newest (and usually more expensive) drugs instead of the older, tried and true ones.
I would definitely check with your pharmacist (if he is a PharmD, that's even better) and see if he can make the same recommendations for acceptable substitutes for what you are taking now.
| 659 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:37:36am |
re: #632 wozzablog
States have been cutting as fast as the unfunded federal mandates have been flowing for the last 20 years. Costs for everything keep going up too and the scope states have for bargaining is sometimes hamstrung because *it's an unfair advantage*./
They cut - but the money they cut has to go elsewhere on dicat in place of money the feds should have stumped up for one programme or another.
Many states are providing barebones services and still being hammered.
it's a mess not likely to get cleaned up anytime soon...meanwhile, Californians and New Yorkers (for some reason) keep pouring into NM and we cannot support them with jobs (and water) out here either since we are living off the feds now...it's a national problem and there is no doubt in my mind, states will be forced to go to the feds for help...we are fucked unless the economy gets up and running, but then consider the very likely threat of an energy shortage....I'm hunkered down, preparing for the worst
| 660 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:37:42am |
repost from some time ago:
except from
Badge of Infamy by Lester Del rey --written 1973
There had been a medical lobby long before, but it had been a
conservative group, mostly concerned with protecting medical autonomy
and ethics. It also tried to prevent government control of treatment and
payment, feeling that it couldn't trust the people to know where to
stop. But its history was a long series of retreats.It fought what it called socialized medicine. But the people wanted
their troubles handled free--which meant by government spending, since
that could be added to the national debt, and thus didn't seem to cost
anything. It lost, and eventually the government paid most medical
costs, with doctors working on a fixed fee. Then quantity of treatment
paid, rather than quality. Competence no longer mattered so much. The
Lobby lost, but didn't know it--because the lowered standards of
competence in the profession lowered the caliber of men running the
political aspects of that profession as exemplified by the Lobby.
| 662 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:38:43am |
re: #656 Walter L. Newton
It would have become the "single payer" boogeyman.
You would be suprised how few Dems in eithet house support Single payer in one form or another.
| 663 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:39:51am |
re: #642 Thanos
Republicans are fleeing the Republican party at a record pace because of this crap. It's not the Republican party anymore, it's the Dixiecrat theoconstabulary.
heh...fits like an old shoe
| 664 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:40:21am |
re: #662 wozzablog
Also - not forgetting - that single payer is socialist, communist, baby killing, WW3 starting, 10th amendment robbing, vile, hideous, and all those other wonderful things that get put on GOP flyers in november to scare constituents.
| 665 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:40:43am |
| 666 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:41:11am |
re: #649 Obdicut
Well, it definitely is apples and oranges, because the uninsured and uncovered get medical treatment all the time, at the ER.
I'm not quite sure what you meant, though-- did you read the article I linked? It's really very interesting.
I've read the article. It is interesting, but it's not my favorite. I think it leaves out important factors, and I think that the problems can be abstracted usefully for understandability.
As for what I meant in my previous comment, suffice it to say that I think that the objectives of the bill are not in line with the monologue coming from it's supporters.
| 667 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:42:34am |
re: #666 cliffster
What do you think the article leaves out?
As for what I meant in my previous comment, suffice it to say that I think that the objectives of the bill are not in line with the monologue coming from it's supporters.
Okay. That also is perfectly cryptic to me.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:43:03am |
Good afternoon, folks.
It's Friday, and I get to leave work in 15 minutes. Huzzah.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:43:35am |
AARP released a statement today officially endorsing the legislation:
"After a thorough analysis of the reform package, we believe this legislation brings us so much closer to helping millions of older Americans get quality, affordable health care."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:44:31am |
re: #656 Walter L. Newton
I do have another general question. The Medicaid site says "Medicaid is health insurance that helps many people who can't afford medical care pay for some or all of their medical bills."
Then why do we need this 985 billion dollar bill. Isn't this the governmental vehicle to take care of people who need help with medical care?
IMHO, which isn't as informed as it should be, I admit - - is to a) push the economy away from capitalism, b) keep a significant proportion of the population lulled so they can enjoy American Idol and not involve themselves in monitoring government.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:45:33am |
re: #669 Stanley Sea
AARP released a statement today officially endorsing the legislation:
Hi Stanley! AARP is, for all intents and purposes, an insurance company, so this isn't all that surprising.
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Soap_Man Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:45:52am |
re: #670 ggt
IMHO, which isn't as informed as it should be, I admit - - is to a) push the economy away from capitalism, b) keep a significant proportion of the population lulled so they can enjoy American Idol and not involve themselves in monitoring government.
That's pretty cynical.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:46:43am |
re: #664 wozzablog
Also - not forgetting - that single payer is socialist, communist, baby killing, WW3 starting, 10th amendment robbing, vile, hideous, and all those other wonderful things that get put on GOP flyers in november to scare constituents.
wozzablog, the single payer IS socialist, and violates the 10th amendment. I do think that's vile. The sarcastic hyperbole doesn't do anything to change this, it's just a childish commentary of a serious issue.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:47:10am |
re: #672 Soap_Man
I'm afraid it's only going to get more, er, exciting as the weekend progresses.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:48:55am |
re: #670 ggt
IMHO, which isn't as informed as it should be, I admit - - is to a) push the economy away from capitalism, b) keep a significant proportion of the population lulled so they can enjoy American Idol and not involve themselves in monitoring government.
You mean... there's life outside of American Idol and the Bachelor? Wow, I need to get out more.
/
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:49:30am |
re: #584 Obdicut
Seriously? Wow. Can you quote where I actually said any of what you wrote? You can't because I didn't.
I stated what would happen if the current HCR proposal stalls, and it was that states would continue attempting to find a solution to HCR on their own, and that it would likely end up in the same place as all the other efforts - a failure IMO because the costs spiral out of control, and the states are forced to scale back the programs or raise premiums.
The current federal HCR plans are wrong - stunningly wrong and will cost far more than the Democrats will ever concede letting on and playing the phase in game lets them get away with that nonsense. This isn't going to cut costs or cost less than doing nothing - and the costs of doing nothing are already inclusive in the current state of Medicare and Medicaid plus the state and local costs that can be aggregated.
I stand by my previous proposals for a backstopping catastrophic care provision that provides coverage, increased portability, and does not penalize those individuals who opt not to buy insurance themselves but choose to assume the risk of their own health care (and yes, I know you'll again claim that the government ultimately assumes the risk if the individual can't pay - but the difference is that you automatically put the government in that role; I want them as the ultimate backstop, not the first and only choice).
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:50:59am |
re: #667 Obdicut
What do you think the article leaves out?
The fact is, that we have new technologies that save and improve lives. These technologies are very expensive, but no one wants to say what everyone should know is true. Some people are not going to be able to afford those treatments. Saying, "no one should be denied treatment simply because they are too poor to afford it" sounds good in soundbites, but math is math. So, we have a system set up that attempts to say that everyone who is in the system will get all the treatments.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:51:30am |
re: #672 Soap_Man
That's pretty cynical.
Why did the Roman Senate vote to give free bread to the headcount? To keep them from revolting.
We are at the point in which one part population the thinks entitlements are rights and another part of the population is tired of paying for it.
Yes, I am cynical.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:51:33am |
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MJ Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:53:02am |
re: #586 Joo-LiZ
An interesting series of posts at Commentary explores the administrations rhetoric when dealing with the Palestinians.
First Jennifer questions the following statement by Obama:
My question is: the administration SAYS they have condemned these actions by Palestinians. If there hasn't been an explicit speech or press conference where they stated it originally, if they refer to themselves as having 'condemned' it in a past tense -- should that be good enough?
Rick points out how lop-sided the criticism has been regardless.
Here's the relevant section from the State Department briefing in which supposedly the Obama Administration condemned the provocations by the Palestinians. You'll note the word "condemn" does not appear here:
[Link: blogs.jta.org...]
Obama clearly was incorrect when he said his Administration "condemned" incitement by the Palestinians.
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Soap_Man Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:54:15am |
re: #675 MrSilverDragon
You mean... there's life outside of American Idol and the Bachelor? Wow, I need to get out more.
/
A few years ago, I was at a bar and got roped into a conversation with my friend's weirdo girlfriend. She went on this rant about fat-free cookies in the 80's. When this stuff first came out, people would be like "hey, fat free! I can eat as much as I want!" So they would gorge on these cookies, not knowing that its the calories that make you overweight, not the fat.
All of what she said at that point was true and well documented. Then she went off the ledge by saying it was a conspiracy from the Reagan administration to get people too fat and lazy to protest the government.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:55:04am |
From Ezra Klein, who I recommend you read to keep up on what's happening:
The secondary lesson of this was that we really judge the extremism of legislation based on the positioning of Republicans and Democrats. If I'd told you that the Obama administration was going to release a health-care bill that would attract every Senate Democrat -- from Bernie Sanders and Barbara Boxer to Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman -- and either endorsements or neutrality from the American Medical Association, the hospital industry, the pharmaceutical industry, AARP, labor, and much of the insurance industry, you'd have thought that was a pretty moderate, consensus-oriented bill. Which it is!
But most Americans don't think that because the Republicans decided to treat it as the second coming of fascism.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:55:28am |
re: #234 Mad Al-Jaffee
Stupid blog comment of the day, from one of Schlussel's followers:
"Is there any big media that is not in the stranglehold of islamist interests?"
WTF?
Developing meme--Saudis control U.S. media.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:56:26am |
re: #676 lawhawk
I stated what would happen if the current HCR proposal stalls, and it was that states would continue attempting to find a solution to HCR on their own, and that it would likely end up in the same place as all the other efforts - a failure IMO because the costs spiral out of control, and the states are forced to scale back the programs or raise premiums.
So the solution is in the state programs, which you expect to fail?
isn't going to cut costs or cost less than doing nothing - and the costs of doing nothing are already inclusive in the current state of Medicare and Medicaid plus the state and local costs that can be aggregated.
You said it won't cost less than doing nothing. So that implies you do know the cost of doing nothing:
Could you explain what the cost of doing nothing is?
I stand by my previous proposals for a backstopping catastrophic care provision that provides coverage, increased portability, and does not penalize those individuals who opt not to buy insurance themselves but choose to assume the risk of their own health care (and yes, I know you'll again claim that the government ultimately assumes the risk if the individual can't pay - but the difference is that you automatically put the government in that role; I want them as the ultimate backstop, not the first and only choice).
The difference is that I can admit that those people are not really assuming the risk of their own health care. The government does, indeed, assume the risk if the individual can't pay-- as do all people who pay for insurance, in higher premiums. that's simply true. Every day, people without insurance are treated, and their costs paid for by the taxpayers and by insurance holders. That is the status quo.
I have no problem with a plan that provides catastrophic care prevention. I approve of that highly. I approve of increased portability-- something strongly supported in the current plans. However, those things alone do not begin to approach a solution to the problem.
Can you point me to the plan of anyone that you prefer to the plans currently on the table?
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KingKenrod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:56:53am |
re: #656 Walter L. Newton
I do have another general question. The Medicaid site says "Medicaid is health insurance that helps many people who can't afford medical care pay for some or all of their medical bills."
Then why do we need this 985 billion dollar bill. Isn't this the governmental vehicle to take care of people who need help with medical care?
The purpose of the bill is to continue the movement towards economic equality for all. It's not really about making health care better, just making it cheaper and more accessible to the poor and less accessible and more expensive for the rich.
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Jadespring Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:56:53am |
re: #684 SanFranciscoZionist
Developing meme--Saudis control U.S. media.
Been seeing versions of this pop up a lot lately.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:57:28am |
re: #684 SanFranciscoZionist
Developing meme--Saudis control U.S. media.
Are you now, or have you ever been, a Saudi? (my second mccarthyism reference of the thread)
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:57:47am |
re: #678 cliffster
The Gawande article covered the usage of technology and its role in costs quite well, I thought.
What do you feel he left out?
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:58:29am |
re: #682 Soap_Man
A few years ago, I was at a bar and got roped into a conversation with my friend's weirdo girlfriend. She went on this rant about fat-free cookies in the 80's. When this stuff first came out, people would be like "hey, fat free! I can eat as much as I want!" So they would gorge on these cookies, not knowing that its the calories that make you overweight, not the fat.
All of what she said at that point was true and well documented. Then she went off the ledge by saying it was a conspiracy from the Reagan administration to get people too fat and lazy to protest the government.
I remember those fat-free cookies. They tasted horrible. If there's anything to protest there, it's those cookies.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:58:58am |
re: #679 ggt
Why did the Roman Senate vote to give free bread to the headcount? To keep them from revolting.
We are at the point in which one part population the thinks entitlements are rights and another part of the population is tired of paying for it.
Yes, I am cynical.
Wm. Raspberry once wrote a column entitled "There's still no free lunch", late 80's or early 90's I think. See if you can find it on the Web. (I haven't looked. I have a photocopy.) You'll love it!
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:59:48am |
re: #690 MrSilverDragon
The phenomenon of people overeating because "it's health food" is always funny/sad. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.
In Defense of Food is a great book that touches on that subject.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:00:49am |
re: #284 Radicchio ad Absurdum
I weep for all of the martyred Furries/
I think I've posted this before, but when I first read about Farfour's death, I misunderstood the headline and the first paragraph, and thought that Fatah had sent someone to kill the guy in the mouse suit.
It wasn't until about halfway through the story that I realized that they'd killed off the character, and then I had to reread the whole thing to get it straight.
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:00:58am |
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:01:29am |
re: #689 Obdicut
Well, he covered the OVERuse of technology. That's different. I'm saying that for some technologies, especially emerging ones, not everyone can afford it, but we emotionally think that everyone should.
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Soap_Man Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:01:47am |
re: #692 Obdicut
The phenomenon of people overeating because "it's health food" is always funny/sad. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.
In Defense of Food is a great book that touches on that subject.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
My personal favorite is when people buy those salads that are covered in ranch dressing and a pound of friend chicken. But it's okay because, you know, it's a salad with tomatoes and cucumbers and shit.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:02:40am |
re: #679 ggt
What about those of us who are paying for those 'entitlements' and are not tired of it? We don't count, to you, for some reason?
I'll happily pay for, say, the 'entitlement' of food stamps. I don't want children in America starving to death. That's reason number one. Food stamps are used on purchases that go directly back into the economy, with a very high percentage of the goods being domestic. That's reason number two. Food stamps can help prevent homelessness and all of its associated costs. That's reason number three.
There are certainly cases of 'entitlements' that are improper. But many cases of 'entitlements' are simply choosing to not be penny-wise and pound foolish.
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Jadespring Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:03:31am |
re: #682 Soap_Man
A few years ago, I was at a bar and got roped into a conversation with my friend's weirdo girlfriend. She went on this rant about fat-free cookies in the 80's. When this stuff first came out, people would be like "hey, fat free! I can eat as much as I want!" So they would gorge on these cookies, not knowing that its the calories that make you overweight, not the fat.
All of what she said at that point was true and well documented. Then she went off the ledge by saying it was a conspiracy from the Reagan administration to get people too fat and lazy to protest the government.
My Aunt is a total 'hey this is diet so I can eat way more' sort of person. She buys fat free, sugar free, light etc etc and will eat 5 cookies instead of one regular cookie. She's be better off with the one. The only 'conspiracy' is a marketing one not that I think it's a real conspiracy or anything. It creates a false sense of what you're eating.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:03:39am |
re: #696 Soap_Man
My personal favorite is when people buy those salads that are covered in ranch dressing and a pound of friend chicken. But it's okay because, you know, it's a salad with tomatoes and cucumbers and shit.
Real Men of Genius - Mr Giant Taco Salad Inventor
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:04:01am |
re: #318 RogueOne
One more reason cell phones are changing the world:
Chicago IL cop recorded telling man he pulls people over because they're black & doesn't care, gets OT for court. Gets busted because of cell phone recording.
[Link: www.wgntv.com...]
I seem to recall that the last time this came up, people here were quite dubious that DWB pull-overs actually happened.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:04:24am |
re: #695 cliffster
Okay-- and you feel this relates to the comparison of health care costs how?
Can you give an example of one of these technologies?
In theory, I'm right there with you-- if we developed a machine that cost ten million dollars to cure the common cold, obviously we wouldn't want to make widespread use of it.
But what's the reality of it?
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:05:44am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:06:24am |
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:06:30am |
re: #685 Obdicut
Why should we lump all eggs in one basket of epic fail, when we can let 50 states come up with a solution that might actually work. Some states do end up doing a better job at controlling costs, or providing coverage - finding the balance is a trial and error thing, but they can't control costs and provide wide coverage at the same time because those have divergent results. It costs more to insure more people at the same level, or else you have to reduce coverages while expanding coverage. With the feds running this mess, we're going to get nothing but bad outcomes, and when the budget deficits explode instead of shrink because tax revenues and all the assumptions by the CBO don't come to fruition, the I told you so wont be sufficient.
I've yet to hear a solid alternative for health care reform that I would buy into from anyone in the political realm (or elsewhere for that matter) - not that it matters since we've got only those options before us - the three versions essentially prepared by the House and Senate. We've got a HCR package (all versions) that front loads taxes and penalties to build up a reserve that will be gone within a few years of the operation of the HCR once it kicks in.
I've yet to hear any Democrats defend what will happen to the costs of this HCR once the reserves are gone, which means deficits as far as the eye can see unless you start reducing coverages.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:07:51am |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:08:02am |
Back from the president's speech. Good speech. Sign spotted on my way back to my apartment: "Stop Oba-mao's "Great Leap Forward."
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Soap_Man Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:08:26am |
re: #696 Soap_Man
My personal favorite is when people buy those salads that are covered in ranch dressing and a pound of
friendfried chicken. But it's okay because, you know, it's a salad with tomatoes and cucumbers and shit.
Dammit.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:09:41am |
re: #706 HappyWarrior
Back from the president's speech. Good speech. Sign spotted on my way back to my apartment: "Stop Oba-mao's "Great Leap Forward."
Glenn Beck/Birch Society lunatic: Great Leap Forward
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:10:15am |
re: #701 Obdicut
Okay-- and you feel this relates to the comparison of health care costs how?
Can you give an example of one of these technologies?
In theory, I'm right there with you-- if we developed a machine that cost ten million dollars to cure the common cold, obviously we wouldn't want to make widespread use of it.
But what's the reality of it?
Hmm. How about heart surgery? Cancer treatment?
Or pharmaceuticals. They are very expensive, and it's made even trickier because the marginal cost of production are generally quite low once they're on the market, but of course the extremely high cost of R&D to create the drug has to be factored into the final cost to consumers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:10:34am |
re: #375 Walter L. Newton
So, I have no way to get any health care insurance for two years or so.
I have meds I need, 6 pills a day, and the coverage I had and the prescriptions run out next month. I have no doctor now, no prescriptions, nothing.
So, I'm screwed?
No, according to many people here, you can go to any hospital, and they must treat you, so you're OK.
//I am sorry. I am, in fact, being an asshole, but it is not aimed at your situation, Walter, just at an irritating talking point. I'm sorry about your coverage. You might call Catholic Charities in your area and see if they have any ideas for you.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:11:47am |
re: #704 lawhawk
Why should we try to solve any problem at the national level, given that rationale?
Can you explain what the costs of not passing this bill will be if we use the same assumptions that the CBO used to score this bill?
What is the cost of not passing this bill?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:11:48am |
re: #709 Killgore Trout
Glenn Beck/Birch Society lunatic: Great Leap Forward
Yep, I figured as much. Saw what looked to be a reporter interviewing the lady with the sign. People were there of all ages. In fact I even ran in to my cousin's wife while I was waiting in line.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:12:04am |
re: #686 KingKenrod
The purpose of the bill is to continue the movement towards economic equality for all. It's not really about making health care better, just making it cheaper and more accessible to the poor and less accessible and more expensive for the rich.
Quanity vs. quality--it is difficult to have both.
People think things are so bad in this country-"-X% of the population doesn't have health insurance --egads!" They mean, I think, that "X% doesn't have private insurance", as Medicare and Medicaid are in place for those that don't.
Insurance, is risk management. By definitition , not everyone is going to qualify.
Illness, like food , clothing, shelter, dangerous animals and bad weather have plagued man from the beginning of time. We cannot legislate away reality.
Rights are not entitlement and vice versa.
If life in America is so bad, people are oppressed because they don't have health insurance -then, IMHO, there is a problem greater than health insurance at play.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:12:39am |
re: #701 Obdicut
Okay-- and you feel this relates to the comparison of health care costs how?
Can you give an example of one of these technologies?
In theory, I'm right there with you-- if we developed a machine that cost ten million dollars to cure the common cold, obviously we wouldn't want to make widespread use of it.
But what's the reality of it?
Okay, we have a machine that costs millions for diagnostics without having to do surgery. MRIs. The more machines in use, the lower the cost per machine because the manufacturers of the MRIs see a cost savings, but it means more people will seek diagnostic tests from those machines as doctors see it as a testing option.
Widespread use? Limit the use? Where do you draw the line.
Oh, and if we were to develop a machine that costs $10 million to cure the common cold, it might make sense to make widespread use - because colds cost the US economy billions every year. Billions in doctor and drug costs, and $20 billion in economic losses from missing/reduced work.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:12:40am |
Once again guys, I think we need to remember that this proposed legislation isn't really about controlling health care costs. It is an insurance bill. The only - and I stress only - attempts to "control" cost is through two mechanisms: deciding what will or will not be covered, and how much of the cost for those things covered will be reimbursed.
And the structure of the bill has states concerned for a number of reasons, not the least of which is this:
Expands the federal-state Medicaid insurance program for the poor to cover people with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level, $29,327 a year for a family of four. Childless adults would be covered for the first time, starting in 2014. The federal government would pay 100 percent of the tab for covering newly eligible individuals through 2016.
Were I the governor of a state, I'd be very concerned that the bill expands Medicaid, but the feds only cover newly eligible individuals through 2016. After that, I'm stuck with Medicaid recipients mandated by the federal government, but no longer covered by federal funds - in other words, it becomes an unfunded mandate after only TWO years (2014 through 2016).
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:14:50am |
re: #711 SanFranciscoZionist
No, according to many people here, you can go to any hospital, and they must treat you, so you're OK.
//I am sorry. I am, in fact, being an asshole, but it is not aimed at your situation, Walter, just at an irritating talking point. I'm sorry about your coverage. You might call Catholic Charities in your area and see if they have any ideas for you.
Hehe, I thought about trying to make a point like that, but didn't want to do so at the expense of being insensitive to Walter's situation. I think you handled it quite gracefully. (Walter will probably be grouchy about it anyways ;) )
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:15:14am |
I'm back. Good lunch today, but it's so nice out I almost wish I hadn't brought anything so I could have gone out instead.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:16:36am |
re: #532 Killgore Trout
I just found this on huffpo:
Hannity Freedom Concerts A 'Scam,' Blogger Says
It seems the lefties are willing to repeat the accusation without really backing it up. It might be true but take it with a grain of salt.
Repeating this without serious backup from real sources is a BAD idea.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:16:42am |
re: #710 cliffster
How about heart surgery or cancer treatment? What are you talking about?
Doctors do triage every day. Transplant centers do it, too. Every day, medical professionals decide who should get care and who shouldn't, and already their ability to pay is factored into it.
I'm really not understanding your argument. Are you saying the average cost per patient is rising due to increased technology adoption? I agree it may be the case, but I haven't seen any actual data on it.
There is a lot of savings to be achieved for hospitals by improving their practices-- that's a lot of what Gawande spends his time on in other books. Or you could take the example of the Cook County hospital admissions for heart attacks, which have cut their costs enormously by doing a more efficient triage on those presenting with chest pains, reduced hospital stay times, and therefore saved huge amounts of money. There's lots of ways we can improve the performance of hospitals.
Really, I think we're entering an age where we realize that complexity is not necessarily a benefit, and that every process needs to be constantly tuned and re-examined. It's fascinating stuff.
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Jadespring Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:17:17am |
re: #696 Soap_Man
My personal favorite is when people buy those salads that are covered in ranch dressing and a pound of friend chicken. But it's okay because, you know, it's a salad with tomatoes and cucumbers and shit.
One of the newscast did a piece on this a few weeks ago. They went into a fast food place, I think McDonalds, and interviewed people that were eating the salads. When asked why the majority said because they watched what they ate and were on some sort of diet. They then showed them the nutritional breakdowns and some of the salads have higher calories then an actual big Mac, especially when some people actually got extra dressing to put on them. Most people were shocked because hey 'green' is SUPPOSED to be diet.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:17:55am |
re: #716 lawhawk
And your point is? I wasn't debating that there was costly technology that we use, at all.
Have you read the Gawande article?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:19:20am |
re: #722 Jadespring
I've seen similar studies and articles about breakfast foods. Some supposedly healthy muffins have more calories and fat than a breakfast sandwich.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:20:23am |
re: #715 ggt
Quanity vs. quality--it is difficult to have both.
People think things are so bad in this country-"-X% of the population doesn't have health insurance --egads!" They mean, I think, that "X% doesn't have private insurance", as Medicare and Medicaid are in place for those that don't.
Insurance, is risk management. By definitition , not everyone is going to qualify.
Illness, like food , clothing, shelter, dangerous animals and bad weather have plagued man from the beginning of time. We cannot legislate away reality.
Rights are not entitlement and vice versa.
If life in America is so bad, people are oppressed because they don't have health insurance -then, IMHO, there is a problem greater than health insurance at play.
the demise of public education combined with subsidizing the poor
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:20:33am |
re: #725 Mad Al-Jaffee
I've seen similar studies and articles about breakfast foods. Some supposedly healthy muffins have more calories and fat than a breakfast sandwich.
Yeah, love those triple size muffins out there @ the coffee shops! Hell, get the one with chocolate chips!
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:20:57am |
re: #725 Mad Al-Jaffee
Heh. I have a Kenyan friend (no, really) who calls muffins "cake" and can't believe we have them for breakfast.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:20:59am |
re: #697 Obdicut
What about those of us who are paying for those 'entitlements' and are not tired of it? We don't count, to you, for some reason?
I'll happily pay for, say, the 'entitlement' of food stamps. I don't want children in America starving to death. That's reason number one. Food stamps are used on purchases that go directly back into the economy, with a very high percentage of the goods being domestic. That's reason number two. Food stamps can help prevent homelessness and all of its associated costs. That's reason number three.
There are certainly cases of 'entitlements' that are improper. But many cases of 'entitlements' are simply choosing to not be penny-wise and pound foolish.
I have no problem paying to help people thru a bind, for those who cannot truly earn their own way. I LOVE paying for education. It is wise economics.
I am VERY TIRED of paying for peoples bad behavior, I am VERY TIRED of paying for people's children who never thought once about how they were going to raise those children without my help. And now our elected officials want to take MORE of MY money and have no way of showing me it is wise economics to do so.
My husband and I have worked our asses off to maintain our responsibilities. Our biggest obstacle is TAXES. I cannot afford any more without becoming an entitlement recipient myself.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:21:22am |
re: #711 SanFranciscoZionist
No, according to many people here, you can go to any hospital, and they must treat you, so you're OK.
//I am sorry. I am, in fact, being an asshole, but it is not aimed at your situation, Walter, just at an irritating talking point. I'm sorry about your coverage. You might call Catholic Charities in your area and see if they have any ideas for you.
Interesting... all down this thread people have referred me to already existing Medicaid, charities programs, recommend I call the pharmaceutical companies who sometimes offers discount priced drugs, Colorado state agencies, churches and other organizations that may be able to help.
What's interesting about that? Well, I have a simple situation. I loss access to my medical coverage about 3 weeks ago. And I'm out of work too and I have no sort of income. I suggest that my situation is rather common, and rather simple.
What's interesting about that? The administration is about to pass a 985 billion dollar health care bill, and no one has been able to show me where or how, in this massive bill, how my simple little, commonplace problem could be solved by this bill.
So... if there is all these existing sources that have been recommended to help solve my problem, what is this bill really for?
Makes you wonder.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:22:09am |
| 732 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:22:23am |
re: #728 Obdicut
Heh. I have a Kenyan friend (no, really) who calls muffins "cake" and can't believe we have them for breakfast.
Don't we ALL have a "Kenyan friend"?
/
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:23:04am |
re: #723 Obdicut
And your point is? I wasn't debating that there was costly technology that we use, at all.
Have you read the Gawande article?
In your opinion, what percentage of what's described in that article is actually attributable to defensive medicine? Just wondering your opinion.
| 734 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:24:00am |
| 735 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:24:16am |
re: #729 ggt
I have no problem paying to help people thru a bind, for those who cannot truly earn their own way. I LOVE paying for education. It is wise economics.
I am VERY TIRED of paying for peoples bad behavior, I am VERY TIRED of paying for people's children who never thought once about how they were going to raise those children without my help. And now our elected officials want to take MORE of MY money and have no way of showing me it is wise economics to do so.
My husband and I have worked our asses off to maintain our responsibilities. Our biggest obstacle is TAXES. I cannot afford any more without becoming an entitlement recipient myself.
the left has perverted govt into some kind of cult...BO is their new prophet and they worship taxation and equality
| 737 |
Jadespring Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:24:54am |
re: #725 Mad Al-Jaffee
I've seen similar studies and articles about breakfast foods. Some supposedly healthy muffins have more calories and fat than a breakfast sandwich.
Yeah muffins can be pretty bad that way. It's just their nature and what makes them muffins. There is only so much fiddling you can do with a muffin before it's just not a muffin or tastes like puffed up cardboard. I know at least on fast food joint that markets 'reduced fat' or 'light muffins'. In reality they have reduced the fat and calories relative to regular muffin recipe so they aren't lying. What they don't market is that in reality they are still fatty and higher calorie choices compared to other things.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:25:01am |
re: #730 Walter L. Newton
Well Walter, I know you read the comments here, so you have seen the provisions that will stop denial of insurance coverage due to pre-existing conditions, or stop the practice by the insurance companies of rescission (canceling you once you get sick).
| 739 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:25:39am |
re: #735 albusteve
Happy first day as a G-Pa!
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:25:46am |
re: #731 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Saw your announcement about your first grandchild.
:D ... congratulations!
woohoo!...thanks!...a boy named after me...how cool is that?
| 741 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:25:53am |
re: #729 ggt
That classic Raspberry column isn't even in the WaPo's archives.
I've blued my nic. Contact me.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:25:56am |
re: #729 ggt
I understand you're tired of paying for those children.
So what do you want to do about it? They're not going to vanish.
My husband and I have worked our asses off to maintain our responsibilities. Our biggest obstacle is TAXES. I cannot afford any more without becoming an entitlement recipient myself.
And my biggest obstacle is health insurance, since I'm going to be moving across the country. I would love to start my own business to continue doing what I do for my current company and other companies-- could even hire a couple people to do it. However, unless I can get insurance through my soon-to-be-wife, the cost of individual insurance will prevent me from doing so and I'll have to take a 'normal' job to get the insurance.
I'm fine with you feeling taken advantage of, of being sick of taxes. I don't love them either. All I'm asking is that the lines not be drawn in "those paying for 'entitlements' vs. those who approve of 'entitlements'", because many, many, many people who pay for them approve of them. Because they make economic sense. Because they're the right thing to do.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:26:07am |
re: #730 Walter L. Newton
I'm sorry - but seemingly you just don't get it - but Conservative congressmen on both sides have been fighting tirelessly for your right to remain uninsured. They - the insured - cherish that right you are currently enjoying very much.
The people who wrecked this bill - they did it all for you.
| 744 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:26:40am |
re: #721 Obdicut
I can't point you to a study with charts and graphs, but I think we both agree that the point is sound in principal.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:26:56am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:27:12am |
re: #735 albusteve
the left has perverted govt into some kind of cult...BO is their new prophet and they worship taxation and equality
I don't think it is just a "left" phenom. The perversion is bi-partisan.
| 747 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:28:04am |
re: #738 Stanley Sea
Well Walter, I know you read the comments here, so you have seen the provisions that will stop denial of insurance coverage due to pre-existing conditions, or stop the practice by the insurance companies of rescission (canceling you once you get sick).
I only asked about my simple problem, which, as I say, is probably a most commonplace problem... no job, no coverage, no income... need medications. I was not talking about anyone else, any other situations, I was referring to what I would imagine is a condition that fit's many Americans.
Yet this bill doesn't seem to address this simple problem, at least no on can show me where.
Seems to me status quo is alive and well.
| 748 |
Jadespring Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:28:05am |
re: #735 albusteve
the left has perverted govt into some kind of cult...BO is their new prophet and they worship taxation and equality
Yeah I agree. The principle of equality among people sucks ass. I hope it falls into the dustbin of history where it belongs.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:28:52am |
re: #740 albusteve
woohoo!...thanks!...a boy named after me...how cool is that?
"Albusteve"?
He's gonna have problems.
/ ... :D :D :D
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:29:21am |
re: #748 Jadespring
Yeah I agree. The principle of equality among people sucks ass. I hope it falls into the dustbin of history where it belongs.
Agreed.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:29:27am |
re: #730 Walter L. Newton
Why does the fact that you could already be covered make you wonder what the bill is supposed to do?
How are the two things connected? You can already get health insurance. Not everyone can. For example, if I were to start my own business, the costs of health insurance for myself would be prohibitive. Aloutte has talked about the costs of her insurance being likewise prohibitive.
Likewise, there are lots of people working part-time jobs or contracting jobs or other circumstances where they do not have health insurance. Additionally, all of us* have seen our insurance premiums rise year after year, and all of us are aware that our insurance companies have a financial incentive to deny us coverage whenever they can.
The point of the bill is not to cover people already covered. That's true, but I fail to see what point that is supposed to prove.
| 752 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:30:11am |
re: #743 wozzablog
I'm sorry - but seemingly you just don't get it - but Conservative congressmen on both sides have been fighting tirelessly for your right to remain uninsured. They - the insured - cherish that right you are currently enjoying very much.
The people who wrecked this bill - they did it all for you.
You don't seem to get it. The Democrats had all the power and control of having this pass anytime in the pass... and they didn't. Anything this bill does or doesn't do, cover, handle or accomplish will not be the fault of anyone but the Democrats.
There is no GOP language in this bill.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:31:15am |
re: #744 cliffster
Points that are sound in principal do nothing for me. Many technological innovations are capital costs that can save money on a daily basis. Hospital bed stays are one of the largest costs for hospitals-- many medical advances have helped to shorten the time necessary to stay in the hospital dramatically.
If it is true that technology is raising the costs per patient year after year, then we need to adopt more effective use of the technology and start working on more technology that can provide care at lower costs. Though I do believe that we really do have the tech already, and that application is the problem.
| 754 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:31:36am |
re: #748 Jadespring
Yeah I agree. The principle of equality among people sucks ass. I hope it falls into the dustbin of history where it belongs.
you are correct, it's a principle, not a right...people have choices and millions of them make the worst ones they can...get a grip...who's bright idea was it to subsidize minority mothers for having more and more babies?...if you answer Barry Goldwater, you might be wrong
| 755 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:32:18am |
re: #751 Obdicut
Why does the fact that you could already be covered make you wonder what the bill is supposed to do?
How are the two things connected? You can already get health insurance. Not everyone can. For example, if I were to start my own business, the costs of health insurance for myself would be prohibitive. Aloutte has talked about the costs of her insurance being likewise prohibitive.
Likewise, there are lots of people working part-time jobs or contracting jobs or other circumstances where they do not have health insurance. Additionally, all of us* have seen our insurance premiums rise year after year, and all of us are aware that our insurance companies have a financial incentive to deny us coverage whenever they can.
The point of the bill is not to cover people already covered. That's true, but I fail to see what point that is supposed to prove.
I'm not covered by anything right now. How come this bill can't help me? Seems like it's status quo again.
| 756 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:32:38am |
re: #749 pre-Boomer Marine brat
"Albusteve"?
He's gonna have problems./ ... :D :D :D
they didn't think it through I guess!
| 757 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:33:12am |
I gotta go.
Have a great afternoon all!
| 758 |
jaunte Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:34:54am |
re: #752 Walter L. Newton
You don't seem to get it. The Democrats had all the power and control of having this pass anytime in the pass... and they didn't.
They could have, but they were afraid they might not be re-elected.
| 759 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:37:44am |
re: #758 jaunte
They could have, but they were afraid they might not be re-elected.
I have not forgotten Ben Nelson...this is our govt cult in operation, out and out bribery...and only the tip of the iceberg
| 760 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:37:50am |
re: #752 Walter L. Newton
The GOP and the Democrats agreed on a lot. Transportabillity, ending insurance roll clearences - and other non partisan fixes. The republicans then voted it all down. Every last one of them.
The Democrats tried to get it done out of the gate - Obama should not have left it to congresss to draft the Bills, thats something he has to live with. The Whitehouse saw democratic majoritys and thought the job would get done.
Obama won the election with the promise of a Public Option, and with Mccain proposing the same undercard of healthcare fixes the whitehouse (and the Causus) thought that the common ground would be there.
Instead the GOP have used every tabling measure in the book - including the refusal of votes on their own amendments - which gives you a hint as to why there is no GOP language in the Bill - they wouldn't even bvote on their own amendments, even ones that would have had bipartisan support.
The leaders of both houses do not have unified caucuses behind them and with the process being needess;y dragged out by protest about "tehther" rights and the GOP requiring CBO to renumber every draft - even ones consigned to the trash heap - it gave opportunity for wavering Dems to peel off amid the confusion.
Obfuscation and delay.
Theres more than enough blame on the Democratic side - but mostly on individual senators and congressmen who would not poney up what their president needed - votes for his agenda.
| 761 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:39:20am |
| 762 |
Jadespring Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:39:25am |
re: #754 albusteve
you are correct, it's a principle, not a right...people have choices and millions of them make the worst ones they can...get a grip...who's bright idea was it to subsidize minority mothers for having more and more babies?...if you answer Barry Goldwater, you might be wrong
Whatever. I don't frolic in piles of straw. Well with the exception of when I'm cleaning out the chicken coop.
| 763 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:41:44am |
re: #760 wozzablog
The GOP and the Democrats agreed on a lot. Transportabillity, ending insurance roll clearences - and other non partisan fixes. The republicans then voted it all down. Every last one of them.
The Democrats tried to get it done out of the gate - Obama should not have left it to congresss to draft the Bills, thats something he has to live with. The Whitehouse saw democratic majoritys and thought the job would get done.
Obama won the election with the promise of a Public Option, and with Mccain proposing the same undercard of healthcare fixes the whitehouse (and the Causus) thought that the common ground would be there.
Instead the GOP have used every tabling measure in the book - including the refusal of votes on their own amendments - which gives you a hint as to why there is no GOP language in the Bill - they wouldn't even bvote on their own amendments, even ones that would have had bipartisan support.
The leaders of both houses do not have unified caucuses behind them and with the process being needess;y dragged out by protest about "tehther" rights and the GOP requiring CBO to renumber every draft - even ones consigned to the trash heap - it gave opportunity for wavering Dems to peel off amid the confusion.
Obfuscation and delay.
Theres more than enough blame on the Democratic side - but mostly on individual senators and congressmen who would not poney up what their president needed - votes for his agenda.
Pelosi said there was GOP stuff in this bill... you say there isn't.. who's lying?
| 764 |
SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:43:46am |
re: #763 Walter L. Newton
Pelosi said there was GOP stuff in this bill... you say there isn't.. who's lying?
And in the House, the Dems hold a clear majority.
Oh, wait - they hold a clear majority in the Senate, too.
Apparently, the Dark Side of the Force is powerful enough to allow the wielding of power even when you don't have any.
| 765 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:44:00am |
re: #755 Walter L. Newton
You are almost certainly covered by Medicaid if you apply for it. Why would the bill try to provide for someone who should already be covered under an existing system?
| 766 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:44:24am |
re: #730 Walter L. Newton
Interesting... all down this thread people have referred me to already existing Medicaid, charities programs, recommend I call the pharmaceutical companies who sometimes offers discount priced drugs, Colorado state agencies, churches and other organizations that may be able to help.
What's interesting about that? Well, I have a simple situation. I loss access to my medical coverage about 3 weeks ago. And I'm out of work too and I have no sort of income. I suggest that my situation is rather common, and rather simple.
What's interesting about that? The administration is about to pass a 985 billion dollar health care bill, and no one has been able to show me where or how, in this massive bill, how my simple little, commonplace problem could be solved by this bill.
So... if there is all these existing sources that have been recommended to help solve my problem, what is this bill really for?
Makes you wonder.
You're right, Walter. We cannot rescue you with this healthcare bill in the next two weeks even if this bill passes. Therefore there is no point to the bill. I can't believe I've been so blind. You win.
| 767 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:44:40am |
re: #759 albusteve
I have not forgotten Ben Nelson...this is our govt cult in operation, out and out bribery...and only the tip of the iceberg
Yeah, that sort of thing would land you in prison if you were using your own money. It's ok though when you're using the taxpayers' money
| 768 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:44:40am |
re: #764 SixDegrees
Yeah. They don't have any power to put holds, force cloture votes, hold up confirmations, or any of that stuff. We've all just been hallucinating it.
| 769 |
subsailor68 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:44:46am |
re: #763 Walter L. Newton
Pelosi said there was GOP stuff in this bill... you say there isn't.. who's lying?
Hi Walter! According to the Huffpo synopsis I linked above, there's only this:
GOP HEALTH CARE SUMMIT IDEAS: Following the bipartisan health care summit, Obama announced he was open to incorporating Republican ideas in his legislation. But two of the principal ones – hiring investigators to pose as patients and search for fraud at hospitals and increasing spending for medical malpractice reform initiatives – didn't make it into the bill released Thursday. Only one did, an increase in payments to primary care physicians under Medicaid, proposed by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.
| 770 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:44:52am |
re: #764 SixDegrees
And in the House, the Dems hold a clear majority.
Oh, wait - they hold a clear majority in the Senate, too.
Apparently, the Dark Side of the Force is powerful enough to allow the wielding of power even when you don't have any.
Yea... Gibbs even referenced the GOP proposals...
"Press Secretary Robert Gibbs indicated Friday that the White House would work on GOP ideas for health reform over the weekend. Barnes identified two: tort reform and allowing insurers to sell policies across state lines."
| 771 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:45:53am |
re: #769 subsailor68
Hi Walter! According to the Huffpo synopsis I linked above, there's only this:
GOP HEALTH CARE SUMMIT IDEAS: Following the bipartisan health care summit, Obama announced he was open to incorporating Republican ideas in his legislation. But two of the principal ones – hiring investigators to pose as patients and search for fraud at hospitals and increasing spending for medical malpractice reform initiatives – didn't make it into the bill released Thursday. Only one did, an increase in payments to primary care physicians under Medicaid, proposed by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.
"Press Secretary Robert Gibbs indicated Friday that the White House would work on GOP ideas for health reform over the weekend. Barnes identified two: tort reform and allowing insurers to sell policies across state lines."
| 772 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:47:05am |
re: #747 Walter L. Newton
I only asked about my simple problem, which, as I say, is probably a most commonplace problem... no job, no coverage, no income... need medications. I was not talking about anyone else, any other situations, I was referring to what I would imagine is a condition that fit's many Americans.
Yet this bill doesn't seem to address this simple problem, at least no on can show me where.
Seems to me status quo is alive and well.
In many ways, yes. Some of us wanted a public option, and others still dream of single-payer, but this was the best we could do, because those other things are Commie plots.
| 773 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:47:09am |
re: #763 Walter L. Newton
GOP "stuff" or GOP "language"? - democrats couild have voted in GOP ideas on their own terms and branded it as GOP.
I used the term language on purpose.
If there are significant GOP amendments in the Bill that don't dilute the cause of it - then thats a great thing.
It's just not the impression i've been getting from skimming the blogs/news sites. Was, ironically, less on top of things during my time in America than i have been back here.
| 774 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:47:53am |
re: #768 Obdicut
Yeah. They don't have any power to put holds, force cloture votes, hold up confirmations, or any of that stuff. We've all just been hallucinating it.
maybe it's just a bad bill...certainly there are multitudes of experts that think so....your repeated excuses don't really explain much
| 775 |
subsailor68 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:49:14am |
re: #771 Walter L. Newton
"Press Secretary Robert Gibbs indicated Friday that the White House would work on GOP ideas for health reform over the weekend. Barnes identified two: tort reform and allowing insurers to sell policies across state lines."
Ah, but your original point was that Pelosi said there was GOP stuff in the bill. Gibbs is talking about "working on GOP ideas" over the weekend, which implies that they're not currently in the bill. Grassley's Medicaid payment stuff appears to be the only GOP input currently in the bill.
| 776 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:50:08am |
Love you all. Gotta go to class.
Walter, call the Medicaid people.
| 778 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:53:31am |
| 779 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:55:12am |
| 780 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:56:00am |
re: #778 Walter L. Newton
She's talking about the house bill or the bill emerging from the joint house final stage comiittee?
| 781 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:56:18am |
The headlines sure are confusing.
Politico-"Top Dems predict passage"
Drudge-"Dems 6 votes short"
Fox-"It aint over till"
| 782 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:56:46am |
re: #778 Walter L. Newton
Yes, both sides of the Democratic party came together ;-)
| 783 |
subsailor68 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:57:19am |
re: #778 Walter L. Newton
re: #775 subsailor68
Pelosi said this was a bipartisan bill... I remember her saying that.
LOL!
Pelosi: "This is clearly a bipartisan bill. Let's look at the numbers here! On one side we have 216 Democrat representatives and 51 Senators. On the other side we have......
.....uh.....wait a sec....let me see........
Oh yeah! Chuck Grassley!
See?!"
;-)
| 784 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:57:51am |
re: #780 wozzablog
She's talking about the house bill or the bill emerging from the joint house final stage comiittee?
"A year later we're closer to what Republicans were suggesting at that time -- an exchange, and not a public option," Pelosi said. "This legislation has accommodated many of their views. Even though we may not get their votes, but make -- accommodates many of their views."
| 785 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:58:44am |
re: #778 Walter L. Newton
Also - if she says this is wholly a democratic enterprise it gives the GOP another redmeat quote for november.
| 786 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 11:00:12am |
re: #784 Walter L. Newton
Translation - we diluted our core belief to make nice with people who were never going to vote for it in the first place, which we only recognise now after the trail of blood coming from the knife between our shoulder blades.
| 787 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 11:01:39am |
re: #786 wozzablog
Translation - we diluted our core belief to make nice with people who were never going to vote for it in the first place, which we only recognise now after the trail of blood coming from the knife between our shoulder blades.
Well of course, let's deflect and turn it all around now...
| 788 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 11:04:15am |
re: #787 Walter L. Newton
Well of course, let's deflect and turn it all around now...
Seriously. Good grief
| 789 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 11:09:21am |
It's in there.
Won't argue with that - if it's in the final bill it's in the final bill.
I like the transportabillity, some of the tort reform that was being suggested (albeit highly over rated as a cost cutting measure as i've linked to before), the no drop stuff, the national competition...... thats all good stuff. If it came from republicans - rather than the Democrats who've been wanting it longer - then thats all well and good. As long as it's in there.
I was referring to the nulling of the Public Option and the endorsement of a market oriented exchange advancing without it - or at the very least a national co-op with strong drug bargainiing powers.
Bipartisanship when you are in the majority goes something like this - we agree on lots of it, we disagree on some of it, swing enough votes to cover the ones we lose by going too far one way or another and the whole things gets through with everyone being happy.
I've said it before - the Democrats could have rolled every single Republican idea up into one bill - called it the Tort Reform, Apple Pie for Veterans and A Flag Pin for every Child, deport the immigrants Bill 2010 - and still not got a single republican vote.
That was just the way it was always going to happen.
The GOP caucus from fairly early on decided it wanted to take Obama out at the knees - they nearly did it. It's pretty simple on that score.
| 790 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 11:12:14am |
re: #789 wozzablog
It's in there.
Won't argue with that - if it's in the final bill it's in the final bill.
I like the transportabillity, some of the tort reform that was being suggested (albeit highly over rated as a cost cutting measure as i've linked to before), the no drop stuff, the national competition... thats all good stuff. If it came from republicans - rather than the Democrats who've been wanting it longer - then thats all well and good. As long as it's in there.
I was referring to the nulling of the Public Option and the endorsement of a market oriented exchange advancing without it - or at the very least a national co-op with strong drug bargainiing powers.
Bipartisanship when you are in the majority goes something like this - we agree on lots of it, we disagree on some of it, swing enough votes to cover the ones we lose by going too far one way or another and the whole things gets through with everyone being happy.
I've said it before - the Democrats could have rolled every single Republican idea up into one bill - called it the Tort Reform, Apple Pie for Veterans and A Flag Pin for every Child, deport the immigrants Bill 2010 - and still not got a single republican vote.
That was just the way it was always going to happen.
The GOP caucus from fairly early on decided it wanted to take Obama out at the knees - they nearly did it. It's pretty simple on that score.
good..the BO/Pelosi/Reid mob triangle is bad for America...they need to be voted out of office first chance
| 791 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 11:13:11am |
re: #787 Walter L. Newton
There is by far enough blame to go around.
| 792 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 11:15:27am |
re: #790 albusteve
good..the BO/Pelosi/Reid mob triangle is bad for America...they need to be voted out of office first chance
My friend, the people saying that about Obama now were saying it before he got elected. Occasionally more colourfully - saying it after he was elected by a decent margin, on what- by the end - was a fairly decent margin - on policies you disagree with suggests sore loser.
Except - i know you don't have a dog in the hunt, so it would be chrulish of me to suggest that of you.
Gateway Pundit, Sued by Election Workers, Declares BankruptcyA onetime favorite, now just pathetic figure around these parts, Jim Hoft aka SMOTI ("Stupidest Man On The Internet"), has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in response to the defamation lawsuits filed against him to the same election workers that ...
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ... Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
