Pat Buchanan: Tea Parties Are a ‘New Tribe Rising’

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White supremacist and apologist for the Confederacy and the Third Reich Pat Buchanan has a real corker of a column out today, suggesting that the force behind the tea party movement may be the rise of ethnic nationalism and race-based tribalism in the United States.

And ol’ Paleo Pat actually thinks that’s a good thing: New Tribe Rising?

“Is white the new black?”

So asks Kelefa Sanneh in the subtitle of “Beyond the Pale,” his New Yorker review of several books on white America, wherein he concludes we may be witnessing “the slow birth of a people.”

Sanneh is onto something. For after a year of battering as “un-American,” “evil-doers” and racists, and praise from talk-show hosts and Sarah Palin as “the real Americans,” Tea Party America seems to be taking on a new and separate identity.

Ethnonationalism — the recognition of an embryonic people that they are different from their neighbors, and the concomitant drive to live apart — is, as Arthur Schlesinger Jr. wrote 20 years ago, a more powerful force than any ideology, be it communism, fascism or democracy.

It’s hard to believe that this very thinly veiled racist trash is being published by the major media. This is Stormfront material.

UPDATE at 4/20/10 10:50:29 am:

I wasn’t kidding about this being Stormfront material. The Nazis know exactly what Pat’s writing about, and they absolutely love his article; one of them gushes, “This is it, this is why I came to Stormfront.” Here’s a Google cache of their post: Ethnonationalism - New Tribe Rising? - Stormfront.

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424 comments
1 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:18:18am

if only we had just kept appeasing hitler, he wasn't a bad guy, honest.

2 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:24:05am

Before anyone tries to contend that Pat is nothing but MSNBC's stooge conservative, he is regularly featured on such "leftist" outlets as Sean Hannity and WorldNetDaily.

3 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:24:07am

It is exactly correct that this is stormfront material.

What we are seeing is a convergence of the worst threads of America in the far right and the tea parties. This is all Turner Diary stuff.

Tim McVeigh would be proud.

He is after all their patron saint.

4 ShaunP  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:24:18am

The entire tone of this article is astoundingly separatist. Almost as if pining for another Civil War...

5 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:24:29am

Hmmmm, the other white meat.

6 ShaunP  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:25:50am

re: #2 bratwurst

Before anyone tries to contend that Pat is nothing but MSNBC's stooge conservative, he is regularly featured on such "leftist" outlets as Sean Hannity and WorldNetDaily.

I saw him on PBS this weekend...

7 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:26:12am

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

But Ludwig, people are angry.

And what about the children?

I'm just asking questions.

Unleash the concern trolls!!!

8 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:26:52am

figures, I just posted two portions of the piece buchanan is commenting on. I'd suggest everyone read that piece, it's a very good, interesting, piece:

Beyond the Pale
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

I'll repost one short brillliant point brilliant (only because it's what I've been saying):


The organizers of the Tea Party rallies have made a point of inviting African-American conservatives to address the crowds. But there’s no denying that the Tea Party protesters tend to be white. Should we pretend to be surprised? Judging from exit polls, black voters made up about 1.1 per cent of the McCain electorate, which is lower than the historical average, but not by much. (In 1984, when President Reagan was reëlected in a landslide, black voters accounted for only about 1.5 per cent of his total.) American politics has been segregated for decades; the election of a black President only made that segregation more obvious.

But what of it? Why is it that, from Christian Lander to Jon Stewart, a diagnosis of whiteness is often delivered, and received, as a kind of accusation? The answer is that the diagnosis is often accompanied by an implicit or explicit charge of racism. It’s become customary to suppose that a measure of discrimination is built into whiteness itself, a racial category that has often functioned as a purely negative designation: to be white in America is to be not nonwhite, which is why it was possible, in 1961, for a white woman from Kansas living in Hawaii to give birth to a black baby.

9 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:26:52am

re: #4 ShaunP

The entire tone of this article is astoundingly separatist. Almost as if pining for another Civil War...

Beck practically soiled himself along the same lines yesterday. I often go to Beck clips for a laugh, but this one TRULY creeped me out.

10 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:30:01am

re: #8 RogueOne

Oops, my link goes to page 4 instead of the first page, sorry:

Beyond the Pale
Is white the new black?

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

11 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:30:23am

I just went to check my email... and eew. That's Yahoo News for you. To be fair though, they do seem to have a mix of far-right AND far-left craziness. The far-right crazy is just more common in the media right now.

12 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:31:26am

re: #8 RogueOne

I'm sorry, how is that a brilliant point, exactly?

13 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:31:27am

re: #4 ShaunP

The entire tone of this article is astoundingly separatist. Almost as if pining for another Civil War...

I think that months of talking about secession and the way that white folks feel put upon by black folks who seem to have taken over shopuld be enough of a clue to anyone.

These are out and out enemies of America.

As I pointed out last night:

From the Wiki:

Shortly after the bombing, while driving on I-35 in Noble County, near Perry, Oklahoma, McVeigh was stopped by Oklahoma State Trooper Charles J. Hanger from Pawnee, Oklahoma.[48] Hanger had passed McVeigh's yellow 1977 Mercury Marquis and noticed that it had no license plate. McVeigh admitted to the police officer (who noticed a bulge under his jacket) that he had a gun and McVeigh was subsequently arrested for having driven without plates and illegal firearm possession; McVeigh's concealed weapon permit was not legal in Oklahoma. McVeigh was wearing a T-shirt at that time with a picture of Abraham Lincoln and the motto: sic semper tyrannis ('Thus, always, to tyrants'), the state motto of Virginia and also the words shouted by John Wilkes Booth after he shot Lincoln.[49] On the back, it had a tree with a picture of three blood droplets and the Thomas Jefferson quote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Sound familiar?

What about this from McVeigh:

It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being.

You mean like Oathtakers?

I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend.

Sound familiar as well?

McVeigh was a giant fan of the Turner Diaries. Buchanan's views and this article are exactly in line with them. They tell of an armed revolt against a racially impure America which was controlled by a corrupt government.

This is out and out neo-nazism.

The people behind this are making it fashionable to be a nazi publicly.

14 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:32:19am

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

It is exactly correct that this is stormfront material.

What we are seeing is a convergence of the worst threads of America in the far right and the tea parties. This is all Turner Diary stuff.

Tim McVeigh would be proud.

He is after all their patron saint.

BTW it is literally Stormfront material, check the google cache for "New Tribe Rising" and it is posted on their site.

15 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:32:52am

re: #1 SpaceJesus

if only we had just kept appeasing hitler, he wasn't a bad guy, honest.

He loved his mother, and his dog and Eva, and possibly Germany but if he did so he was one of those possessive boyfriends who would give a girl a black eye if he thought she was cheating on him...

16 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:32:55am

re: #11 Vambo

I just went to check my email... and eew. That's Yahoo News for you. To be fair though, they do seem to have a mix of far-right AND far-left craziness. The far-right crazy is just more common in the media right now.

First of all, the "well the other guys do it too" defense is a pile of crap. And second, there isn't anything CLOSE to the leftist equivalent of this article being published in the mainstream media. For something to be this far left it would basically have to be a call for outright communism. Something I think the giant corporations that own every news outlet would be pretty loathe to publish.

17 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:33:01am

re: #12 Obdicut

I'm sorry, how is that a brilliant point, exactly?

When only 98.9% of a segment of our population votes for one candidate over the other you shouldn't be surprised when you only see 1% of that segment in opposition. Somehow that seems to be lost on people.

18 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:33:04am

re: #8 RogueOne

Ok, I'll bite, so what of it? WHy is there a racial disparity in voting patterns.

19 Rhino2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:33:38am

(Sorry for the OT so early in the thread)

I might end up with quite the tax bill if NC wins this case.

[Link: www.dailytech.com...]

20 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:34:27am

re: #14 Vambo

BTW it is literally Stormfront material, check the google cache for "New Tribe Rising" and it is posted on their site.

Yeah, this is not satire. The nazi scum understand exactly what was said. Good and decent Americans should too.

21 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:34:55am

re: #18 Jeff In Ohio

Ok, I'll bite, so what of it? WHy is there a racial disparity in voting patterns.

That's a topic for a great discussion but not the point I was making.

22 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:35:01am

re: #18 Jeff In Ohio

Ok, I'll bite, so what of it? WHy is there a racial disparity in voting patterns.

Because one party has consistently stoked white resentment to gain electoral power since the 1970's.

23 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:36:04am

re: #17 RogueOne

When only 98.9% of a segment of our population votes for one candidate over the other you shouldn't be surprised when you only see 1% of that segment in opposition. Somehow that seems to be lost on people.

Oh...that was the point? Your right, that is not particularly earth shattering.

24 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:36:07am

re: #17 RogueOne

When only 98.9% of a segment of our population votes for one candidate over the other you shouldn't be surprised when you only see 1% of that segment in opposition. Somehow that seems to be lost on people.

That makes much more sense.

25 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:36:39am

re: #18 Jeff In Ohio

Ok, I'll bite, so what of it? WHy is there a racial disparity in voting patterns.

Oh I know this one!

Is it because people vote for what they believe will be best for them, and more or less ever since the civil rights act passed that's been the democrats when it comes to African American voters?

26 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:36:45am

re: #23 Jeff In Ohio

You would think so wouldn't ya? yet somehow that seems to get missed in the whole debate.

27 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:36:47am

re: #8 RogueOne

Wow. So this piece really resonated with you, huh?

28 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:37:18am

Pat's consistent exposure in a variety of media outlets (MSNBC, FOX, PBS...) contrasted with the content of his message leads me to one conclusion.

Pat has one hell of a publicist.

29 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:37:26am

re: #1 SpaceJesus

if only we had just kept appeasing hitler, he wasn't a bad guy, honest.

You need a sarc tag for those that don't know you my extraterrestrial tribe mate.

30 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:38:08am

re: #27 Charles

Wow. So this piece really resonated with you, huh?

The New Yorker piece is very well written. I haven't taken the time to read the buchanan take on it because honestly I don't really care what he thinks. When I have a question about racism an old white guy is the last person I would go to for an opinion.

31 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:39:47am

re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote

You need a sarc tag for those that don't know you my extraterrestrial tribe mate.


shh, im trying to bait pat into registering an account here

32 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:40:01am

Pat Robertson makes me vomit.
Fitting, seeing as how he is a puke.

33 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:40:26am

re: #17 RogueOne

When only 98.9% of a segment of our population votes for one candidate over the other you shouldn't be surprised when you only see 1% of that segment in opposition. Somehow that seems to be lost on people.

How is it lost on anyone, though? That's the part I'm not getting. The article itself notes that it shouldn't be surprising-- and it isn't.

I'm not getting the 'brilliance' here.

34 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:40:38am

re: #8 RogueOne

figures, I just posted two portions of the piece buchanan is commenting on. I'd suggest everyone read that piece, it's a very good, interesting, piece:

Beyond the Pale
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

I'll repost one short brillliant point brilliant (only because it's what I've been saying):

"to be white in America is to be not nonwhite, which is why it was possible, in 1961, for a white woman from Kansas living in Hawaii to give birth to a black baby."

I honestly don't get how what the point/meaning of that part of it is suppose to be Rogue could you help explain it to me a bit more clearly?

(Non sarcasm)

35 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:40:45am

re: #21 RogueOne

That's a topic for a great discussion but not the point I was making.

Gotcha, and not to put to fine a point on it, isn't that kind of like saying the reason you don't see that oak tree in the forest of maples is because it's a forest of maples? Or you don't see the sparrow in that flock of crows, because it's a flock of crows? Or you can't see that common harrow at the bottom of the oregano bush because it's and oregano bush.

And you don't see black people at Tea Party rallies because they are rallies for white people?

Is that the point?

Try the pork!

36 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:41:25am

re: #27 Charles

Wow. So this piece really resonated with you, huh?

and it is an interesting question (talking about the New Yorker piece again) what does constitute "white" culture? I don't think I could come up with a definitive answer if I had to.

37 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:41:40am

re: #30 RogueOne

The New Yorker piece is very well written. I haven't taken the time to read the buchanan take on it because honestly I don't really care what he thinks. When I have a question about racism an old white guy is the last person I would go to for an opinion.

Word to that.

38 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:42:07am

Ohhh and for the record, unless you are a Native American, the word Tribe is a Jewish thing.

If you meet someone who you think is a fellow of member of the tribe, you might work in oh are you a tribe member too?

So no, neo-nazis are not the new blacks and they sure as hell aren't the new Jews.

It is damned insulting.

39 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:42:59am

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Or a Cleavland Indians thing.

40 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:43:56am

re: #36 RogueOne

and it is an interesting question (talking about the New Yorker piece again) what does constitute "white" culture? I don't think I could come up with a definitive answer if I had to.

I assume it's because you are white. People who are non-white could probably give you a description of white culture, the same way whites try to asses a black culture. And guess what? None of them are ever 100% correct, especially in a country and time like this.

41 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:44:48am

re: #36 RogueOne

and it is an interesting question (talking about the New Yorker piece again) what does constitute "white" culture? I don't think I could come up with a definitive answer if I had to.

I bet hockey is a part of it, and probably the instant tanning salon....

42 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:44:52am

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh and for the record, unless you are a Native American, the word Tribe is a Jewish thing.

If you meet someone who you think is a fellow of member of the tribe, you might work in oh are you a tribe member too?

So no, neo-nazis are not the new blacks and they sure as hell aren't the new Jews.

It is damned insulting.

unless you're Called Quest

43 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:46:04am

re: #41 jamesfirecat

I bet hockey is a part of it, and probably the instant tanning salon...

sailing
golfing
passive church attendance
Bruce Springsteen

44 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:46:31am

re: #34 jamesfirecat

"to be white in America is to be not nonwhite, which is why it was possible, in 1961, for a white woman from Kansas living in Hawaii to give birth to a black baby."

I honestly don't get how what the point/meaning of that part of it is suppose to be Rogue could you help explain it to me a bit more clearly?

(Non sarcasm)

My take on his point there is that being white doesn't necessitate not being anything else.

45 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:47:35am

re: #43 Vambo

OMG eleventy, I am so not white.

46 garhighway  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:47:46am

re: #43 Vambo

sailing
golfing
passive church attendance
Bruce Springsteen

Coldplay

47 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:48:25am

re: #46 garhighway

Coldplay

Mayonaise
Lutefisk

48 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:48:27am

re: #9 bratwurst

Beck practically soiled himself along the same lines yesterday. I often go to Beck clips for a laugh, but this one TRULY creeped me out.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

I love how he always qualifies everything with, "I think". CYA.

49 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:48:47am

what if you're a member of a tribe called quest

50 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:49:02am

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh and for the record, unless you are a Native American, the word Tribe is a Jewish thing.

If you meet someone who you think is a fellow of member of the tribe, you might work in oh are you a tribe member too?

So no, neo-nazis are not the new blacks and they sure as hell aren't the new Jews.

It is damned insulting.

It is insulting, but I'm not worried about Paleo Pat too much. I think most people see him for wacko racist that he is. In fact, I'm totally ok with this article being printed in yahoo. Better to look the enemy in the face then have them hiding under some rock.

51 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:49:23am

re: #44 RogueOne

My take on his point there is that being white doesn't necessitate not being anything else.

The problem is that for better or worse we do use an Enumerator type of value for race rather than array of strings (computer programming language "joke") I think that yeah being white sort of does necessitate not being "anything else" or at least not being certain other things. Obama had a white mother and a black father, and given the way genetics turned out he's black, or at least he's dark skinned.

Damn, now I really want to see a social/genetics experiment of can we get two siblings who seem to be of completely different races from the same parents....

52 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:49:30am

I'm not sure what white culture is but there is a pretty safe bet the Country Music Hall of Fame and NASCAR are some of its icons.

Velveeta and campbells condensed soups are staples in white ethnic cooking.

The official tribal cloth is khaki.

53 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:49:49am

As to "white culture" that wonderful idea promulgated by Glen "lithium" Beck, there is no such thing. It is a stupid thing to even discuss.

There are many different cultures that were founded by folks who are white. There is no such thing as a monolithic white race or culture, and the second you hear that language you know you are hearing a Nazi dog whistle.

When they say it, they mean that their own particular white group are the ubermenschen. In America this leads to a lot of Scotch Irish white nationalists.

The Slavs were always white too, however, both the traditional nazis and their American cousins are not too found of them. Historically all three groups do not care for Jews who are also predominantly white.

Now this is stuff that is all so obvious that it should not need to be mentioned. The very fact that anyone should have any question about "white culture" at all indicates the most incredible divorce from reality.

54 Radical Rafe  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:50:40am

re: #52 DaddyG

Don't forget soda crackers..

/

55 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:51:24am

Comment from a Nazi:

This is it, this is why I came to Stormfront.

56 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:51:35am

re: #40 Vambo

I assume it's because you are white. People who are non-white could probably give you a description of white culture, the same way whites try to asses a black culture. And guess what? None of them are ever 100% correct, especially in a country and time like this.

To help answer that question I just had the book the author mentions "the history of White People" by Nell Irvin Painter set aside for me at the library. Ironically, the author is a black woman.

57 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:52:15am

re: #45 Jeff In Ohio

OMG eleventy, I am so not white.

same. when I think white culture I think Punk.

58 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:52:40am

Buchanan and others want this to be true so bad they can taste it. They're just looking for any excuse to be openly racist again.

59 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:52:46am

re: #44 RogueOne

My take on his point there is that being white doesn't necessitate not being anything else.

Well, that's hardly startling, is it? I mean, lots of white people are Irish-American, or Manhattinites, or Southerners, or libertarians.

I think you're kind of misreading the New Yorker article if that's what you're getting out of it. I found the later part of the article a lot more compelling:

The old race theorists couldn’t decide whether the spirit of whiteness was best reflected in the noble refinement of royalty or in the rude vitality of laborers and soldiers. Often, white identity has reflected both traditions at once, as with Emerson’s beloved Scandinavian kings, who conducted themselves like drunken brigands. The “white people” in Lander’s book are rich snobs who view themselves as rebels, resisting the culture of corporate greed in vague solidarity with the world’s poor. The “whitopians” in Benjamin’s book consider themselves “folksy” salt-of-the-earth types, no matter how much money they have accumulated. And “The Blind Side” is a perfect distillation of white identity as anti-élitist élitism: Leigh Anne’s husband owns nearly a hundred fast-food franchises; he’s white-collar, in a blue-collar kind of way.

Roediger and Painter are right to remind us that whiteness was built over centuries on a foundation of deceit and confusion and disguised political imperatives. But neither seems fully to grasp the ways in which this artificial category has, over the years, come haltingly to life. Yes, whiteness is a social construct, and not (as race scientists used to think) a biological essence—but then so, too, is every collective identity. It’s getting easier to talk about “white culture,” maybe even white politics, without knee-jerk sarcasm or, for that matter, knee-jerk sympathy. And it’s getting easier to imagine an American whiteness that is less exceptional, less dominant, less imperial, and more conspicuous, an ethnicity more like the others. In the Obama era—the Tea Party era—whiteness is easier to see than ever before, which means it’s less readily taken for granted. If invisibility is power, then whiteness is a little less powerful than it used to be.

60 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:52:52am

re: #55 Charles

Comment from a Nazi:

Glad I'm NOT there.

61 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:53:54am

re: #56 RogueOne

To help answer that question I just had the book the author mentions "the history of White People" by Nell Irvin Painter set aside for me at the library. Ironically, the author is a black woman.

Umm I don't that's really ironic personally, I think that in order to get a truly unbiased look at any group's history, you need to hear it from someone who isn't a member of that group.

62 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:54:19am

Hey, I wonder if Buchananan considers Jews white?

Wait, I know the answer to that.

Now I wonder if the average American considers Jews white? Are we white these days? It's hard to keep track.

63 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:55:07am

re: #55 Charles

Comment from a Nazi:

And his screen name is-"science is good". My head just spun off my body.

64 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:55:39am

someone draw a picture of hitler, pat buchannan, ron paul and stonewall jackson rolling around on the ground having a tickle fight please. i will pay for it.

65 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:55:59am

re: #51 jamesfirecat

The problem is that for better or worse we do use an Enumerator type of value for race rather than array of strings (computer programming language "joke") I think that yeah being white sort of does necessitate not being "anything else" or at least not being certain other things. Obama had a white mother and a black father, and given the way genetics turned out he's black, or at least he's dark skinned.

Damn, now I really want to see a social/genetics experiment of can we get two siblings who seem to be of completely different races from the same parents...

My in-laws. One side of my spouses family is 100% (or at least that's what they say) native american living on a tribal area in SD/IA, and the other is a mixed-bag-northern euro. My wife is so white and delicate you'd swear she was irish while her brother looks like he lives on the reservation with his grandpa.

66 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:56:04am

re: #64 SpaceJesus

someone draw a picture of hitler, pat buchannan, ron paul and stonewall jackson rolling around on the ground having a tickle fight please. i will pay for it.

Umm, why Stonewall Jackson?

67 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:56:33am

It's becoming apparent that public statements such as this, and the endless pushing and prodding that Rush, Beck, and the Conservative blogosphere indulge in every day, are pushing the envelope of dissent into borderline, or not so borderline, sedition and treason. I don't see a meaningful difference between 'we should have a rebellion' and 'there will probably be a rebellion, and it'll be their fault for making us do it'.

The question now becomes, should anything be done about it? It's a tough problem. Several of the most influential media personalities in the nation are now essentially fomenting rebellion on a daily basis. The most popular cable news network does the same. Take some sort of legal stand on it, and feed the Galtian victim fantasies of the cult? Or expect that the cult really does only comprise a tiny, unimportant fraction of the populace, and trust to their innate cowardice and lack of numbers to forestall any violence?

68 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:56:42am
69 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:56:45am

This white nationalism stuff is old hat in England. Serving politicians and news media to promote your cause is exactly what they want. Out of the margins and onto Fox News!

I know you bucket heads are all excited and shit but if you think, for a single second, that the rest of us won't shove you right back into the marginalization locker as quickly as you popped your heads out then you are sorely mistaken.

70 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:57:02am

re: #65 RogueOne

My in-laws. One side of my spouses family is 100% (or at least that's what they say) native american living on a tribal area in SD/IA, and the other is a mixed-bag-northern euro. My wife is so white and delicate you'd swear she was irish while her brother looks like he lives on the reservation with his grandpa.

Very cool. It's fun and interesting to watch genetics unfold.

71 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:57:17am

re: #66 jamesfirecat

Umm, why Stonewall Jackson?


civil war revisionism

72 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:57:25am

re: #66 jamesfirecat

Umm, why Stonewall Jackson?

A man can't just want to see Jackson in a tickle fight?

///

73 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:57:31am

re: #59 Obdicut

Don't forget the way that Southern plantation owners (who were exempted from military service if they owned more than 20 slaves) sent the poor whites to fight for them in the Civil War.

They knew how to play the "white race" card to their advangage.

A similar tactic was used by the English in Northern Ireland: the Ulster Protestants were told that they had to keep the Catholics out of the trades, the professions and out of higher education in order to protect their "priveleged" status. Their privelege being that they enjoyed a standard of living equal to about two-thirs of that of England, while the Catholics' standard of living was only around half.

74 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:57:36am

Wingnut conspiracy of the day....
Dick Morris Reveals Bombshell on Waco and Janet Reno

Janet Reno was blackmailing Clinton. Courtesy of Fox news, of course.

75 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:57:38am

re: #59 Obdicut

james asked a question about a specific quote. My answer was my take on the authors point of that quote.

76 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:57:45am

re: #50 marjoriemoon

It is insulting, but I'm not worried about Paleo Pat too much. I think most people see him for wacko racist that he is. In fact, I'm totally ok with this article being printed in yahoo. Better to look the enemy in the face then have them hiding under some rock.

I am not arguing for censorship per-se. I am arguing that the fact that he isn't immediately run out of town on a rail for being so openly nazi means that he has more support than I am comfortable admitting.

Then again, that is what hit me the other night.

It took me a little to understand why I got so angry. If we have people who shout the same things as Tim McVeigh and who honestly are infected with the same Nazi crap that McVeigh was, go armed openly to protest the government and chant the same threats that he made good on, on the anniversary of his mass murder there is a bigger problem than I feared.

If we have that, and America doesn't immediately come down aghast in the strongest terms and these bastards feel comfortable being so open with treason, then we have a much larger problem than I feared.

These are virulent kooks. They may be percentage wise small in number, but they are a growing virulence.

The same thought applies to all of this. We are living in a political climate where open treason is flirted with by lawmakers and it is all fed on the same fears and racial and religious tensions.

77 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:58:31am

re: #62 Obdicut

Hey, I wonder if Buchananan considers Jews white?

Wait, I know the answer to that.

Now I wonder if the average American considers Jews white? Are we white these days? It's hard to keep track.

You are white, but as an exhibition of my familiarity of your Jewishness, I declare you are a chicken breast, and not a pork loin.

78 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:58:40am

re: #67 Renaissance_Man

It really would be tough to do something about it. They want nothing more than to be the "oppressed" victim at this point.

79 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:58:56am

re: #67 Renaissance_Man

Take some sort of legal stand on it, and feed the Galtian victim fantasies of the cult?

I would say forget that. People around them will see what they really are. That's my zen attitude on the subject... it's rare, don't get used to it.

80 recusancy  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:59:09am

re: #8 RogueOne

figures, I just posted two portions of the piece buchanan is commenting on. I'd suggest everyone read that piece, it's a very good, interesting, piece:

Beyond the Pale
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

I'll repost one short brillliant point brilliant (only because it's what I've been saying):

The reason only 1% AA's vote republican is because of that little thing called the Southern Strategy. You don't find people wanting to vote for a party who use them as a boogie man.

81 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:59:53am

re: #61 jamesfirecat

Umm I don't that's really ironic personally, I think that in order to get a truly unbiased look at any group's history, you need to hear it from someone who isn't a member of that group.

It was only ironic in regards to the Vambo post to which I was responding. We'll have to get a ruling from Cato if it was actually ironic or something else entirely.

82 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:59:58am

re: #77 Jeff In Ohio

So are Arabs white?

83 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:00:08am

Guess what. There is an American culture and it is an amalgom of immigrant and native people.

It includes everything from Detroit R&B to Eastern Cherokee pottery to San Fransisco fortune cookies to South Texas Tejano music to Manhattan Kosher delis to...

Well - no matter how mixed up it is us and no attempt to balkanize us will change the fact that we are still us.

Richard Prior had some great stuff on what it meant to be an African American vs. African- and how his trip to the "motherland" made it clear to him that he was very American.

Perhaps Pat needs to get out a bit more?

84 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:00:33am

re: #74 Killgore Trout


wtf

85 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:00:35am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Actually, it's courtesy of Dick Morris who is pimping a book. He's claiming that Pres. Clinton wanted to dump Reno but didn't because he feared that Reno would come back to haunt him over the AG's decisions on Waco. Even then, Morris started backtracking from the outlandish headline claims.

86 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:00:46am

re: #62 Obdicut

Hey, I wonder if Buchananan considers Jews white?

Wait, I know the answer to that.

Now I wonder if the average American considers Jews white? Are we white these days? It's hard to keep track.

We are only white when it is to our disadvantage. Didn't they explain this to you in Hebrew school?

Though I was entertained once when a black colleague and good friend of mine, called me white bread. I said that's rye bread to you!

87 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:01:48am

re: #82 Obdicut

So are Arabs white?

As a lamb kabob.

88 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:01:51am

Is there really anything such as "white culture" or "black culture"?


I'm not sure if I am going to say this right but I could tell you what "German American white folks who grew up in St. Louis" are like or maybe even how "Irish Catholic Americans in St. Louis" live.
I can recognize the "evangelical white life in Arkansas" or "educated Methodists in Kentucky" but are any of these cultures or just sub-groups of ethnic-national groups that are all part of America?
What I cannot tell anyone is what White or Asian or Black or American-Indian Culture is.

Oh and Patrick B is a racist ass-hole who hates that white guys like him are no longer in charge of everything. I bet if you ask him he would blame it all on women getting the right to vote.

Tribe indeed.
Kiss my ass Pat.

89 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:02:05am

re: #85 lawhawk

It's posted over at Hot Air. Ed Morrisey expressed some skepticism but the readers are all on board with the new conspiracy.

90 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:02:08am

re: #82 Obdicut

So are Arabs white?

They are not white bread! They are Pita!

91 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:03:08am

Is white the absence of any color, or all colors mixed together?

92 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:03:16am

I'm hungry.

93 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:03:23am

re: #82 Obdicut

So are Arabs white?

FT New Yorker A:


In an immigration report from 1911, a government commission declared that an “Arabian” was by definition Caucasian, a judgment that some of today’s politicians might want to appeal.

Read more: [Link: www.newyorker.com...]

94 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:03:29am

so bill clinton told janet reno to tell david koresh to fire on law enforcement officers serving a search warrant so as to do what again

95 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:03:40am

re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote

Heh. I used the same rye-bread joke, though I said I was Rúgbrauð, since I'm 1/2 Icelandic-ish.

And yeah, I have noticed that Jews have a tendency to be counted as white while ignoring the ways that Jews are not, in fact, treated as white.

96 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:03:48am

re: #1 SpaceJesus

if only we had just kept appeasing hitler, he wasn't a bad guy, honest.

All he wanted was a little lebensraum, darn it. You know, stretch the ol' legs and what not.

97 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:04:28am

re: #91 cliffster

Is white the absence of any color, or all colors mixed together?

White is a color, the perception which is evoked by light that stimulates all three types of color sensitive cone cells in the human eye in nearly equal amounts and with high brightness compared to the surroundings. A white visual stimulation will be void of hue and grayness.

AKA: Fucking magic.

98 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:04:40am

re: #93 RogueOne

Yeah, I know according to the census/US Govt. they are. I'm more pointing out that defining 'white' in the first place is a good proof of the article you cited; white culture has been historically more about exclusion of groups than inclusion of them.

99 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:04:57am

Oh and all those sub-groups involve different types of potato salad.

100 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:05:03am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Gee, yet another conspiracy involving Clinton and Reno over Waco. Fancy that. There have been conspiracies about the whole government response re: Waco since the compound was besieged and later burned to the ground with 50+ killed.

101 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:05:40am

re: #50 marjoriemoon

It is insulting, but I'm not worried about Paleo Pat too much. I think most people see him for wacko racist that he is. In fact, I'm totally ok with this article being printed in yahoo. Better to look the enemy in the face then have them hiding under some rock.

Or hiding behind a nearby tree carrying a rock...

102 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:05:50am

re: #94 SpaceJesus

so bill clinton told janet reno to tell david koresh to fire on law enforcement officers serving a search warrant so as to do what again

Establish Martial Law and enact the police state the Clinton years were known for.

/

103 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:06:07am

Sure enough, idiots on Yahoo are trodding out the popularity of rap music as being evidence of a dominant "black culture".

Let me go off on a pseudo-tangent here, rap music is popular because it is relatively new and still innovative - I don't really like it, but at least rap producers actually make an attempt to create something different. As opposed to country music, which has kept the same label since the '60s and yet is now nothing more than American Idol-style pop music with calculated populist appeal.

104 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:06:15am

re: #85 lawhawk

Actually, it's courtesy of Dick Morris who is pimping a book. He's claiming that Pres. Clinton wanted to dump Reno but didn't because he feared that Reno would come back to haunt him over the AG's decisions on Waco. Even then, Morris started backtracking from the outlandish headline claims.

I'm not sure what people think she had to hold over him. We all saw what happened on live tv.

105 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:07:10am

Getting back to work. cya folks

106 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:07:12am

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

White is a color, the perception which is evoked by light that stimulates all three types of color sensitive cone cells in the human eye in nearly equal amounts and with high brightness compared to the surroundings. A white visual stimulation will be void of hue and grayness.

AKA: Fucking magic.

White People: Equal opportunity cone stimulators

107 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:07:41am

re: #103 Vambo

Sure enough, idiots on Yahoo are trodding out the popularity of rap music as being evidence of a dominant "black culture".

Let me go off on a pseudo-tangent here, rap music is popular because it is relatively new and still innovative - I don't really like it, but at least rap producers actually make an attempt to create something different. As opposed to country music, which has kept the same label since the '60s and yet is now nothing more than American Idol-style pop music with calculated populist appeal.


meh, rap has been in its "hair metal" days for over a decade now imo

108 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:07:41am

Humans...
*Shakes head*

109 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:08:04am

re: #103 Vambo

Sure enough, idiots on Yahoo are trodding out the popularity of rap music as being evidence of a dominant "black culture".

How do you explain Eminem? //

110 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:08:11am

re: #106 cliffster

White People: Equal opportunity cone stimulators

Yeah but we are more pink than white really.

111 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:08:43am

re: #76 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not arguing for censorship per-se. I am arguing that the fact that he isn't immediately run out of town on a rail for being so openly nazi means that he has more support than I am comfortable admitting.

Then again, that is what hit me the other night.

It took me a little to understand why I got so angry. If we have people who shout the same things as Tim McVeigh and who honestly are infected with the same Nazi crap that McVeigh was, go armed openly to protest the government and chant the same threats that he made good on, on the anniversary of his mass murder there is a bigger problem than I feared.

If we have that, and America doesn't immediately come down aghast in the strongest terms and these bastards feel comfortable being so open with treason, then we have a much larger problem than I feared.

These are virulent kooks. They may be percentage wise small in number, but they are a growing virulence.

The same thought applies to all of this. We are living in a political climate where open treason is flirted with by lawmakers and it is all fed on the same fears and racial and religious tensions.

I agree with you, but as long as people like you and me and the vast majority of people who post here are able to meet these people face to face and shout them down, then I'm ok.

Obama's election brought/is bringing racism to a head. I suppose it was inevitable, but it can be a positive thing. Let people define themselves on both sides. If it encourages the racists, then it also encourages those who fight against racism. The fact that we elected him in the first place means to me that race makes little difference to the job you're hired to do and the majority of this country knows that.

112 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:09:30am

re: #110 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah but we are more pink than white really.

I'm 98% English and Scot with another 2.9% Norther European mix thrown in. I don't even do pink that well. In fact I'm one melanin percentage away from transparent.

113 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:09:54am

re: #41 jamesfirecat

I bet hockey is a part of it, and probably the instant tanning salon...

Shooting moose from a helicopter.

As opposed to shooting each other in a ghetto.

114 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:10:58am

re: #107 SpaceJesus

meh, rap has been in its "hair metal" days for over a decade now imo

Mainstream music in general has been in its hair metal days since the late '90s, IMO. Something to do with Telecommunications Act, I'm told. The underground is where all the magic happens - hip-hop, country ("alternative country", I think it's called now), neo-folk, pop, and even some rock bands (I think everyone's burnt out on the indie rock explosion of the '90s).

115 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:11:00am

re: #112 DaddyG

100.9%? You are superhuman.

116 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:12:11am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

I agree with you, but as long as people like you and me and the vast majority of people who post here are able to meet these people face to face and shout them down, then I'm ok.

Obama's election brought/is bringing racism to a head. I suppose it was inevitable, but it can be a positive thing. Let people define themselves on both sides. If it encourages the racists, then it also encourages those who fight against racism. The fact that we elected him in the first place means to me that race makes little difference to the job you're hired to do and the majority of this country knows that.

Exactly. The thing to do is let them know that real Americans are not afraid of them and when they talk tough, remind them of what real Americans did to folks like them at Normandy and Gettysburg.

117 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:12:52am

re: #115 tnguitarist

100.9%? You are superhuman.

That's the Scot part. Note: I really like Scottish folks - meant as humor.

118 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:13:24am

re: #114 Vambo

Most good music these days is underground filling venues that only seat a few thousand but not selling out arenas. It'll never go mainstream because it doesn't sound like everything else out there. It used to be you could identify a band by sound, these days they all sound alike. As much as I like a few grunge bands I blame them along with the cookie-cutter boy bands for starting the trend.

119 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:15:10am

Conserviatives should've found at least one reason to be quietly pleased when Obama got elected: now they can remind young ghetto blacks & other minorities that there is no justification for their antisocial behavior in claiming that they cannot make it in "white man's America".

Instead they are circling their wagons.

I grew up a white kid in Gary, Indiana as a member of a minority: the city was 90% black by the time my mom finally managed to migrate to the white suburbs. It gave me an entirely different perspective on race and race relations and left me with little tolerance for people who make sweeping claims about folks they have hardly ever met or dealt with on a daily basis.

120 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:15:29am

It really can't be overstated that when Buchannan say the tea parties are about ethnic nationalism, he is openly verifying what the tea party has been about all along - racism with delusions of violence.

121 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:15:58am

Somewhere there are one Billion Chinese wondering why a culture with less than 500 years on the planet and a minority of its ethnicities are fighting over who is superior?

122 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:16:27am

This is the part I don't get about Buchanan and racists like him:

the recognition of an embryonic people that they are different from their neighbors, and the concomitant drive to live apart

How on earth is there a concomitant drive to live apart? Doesn't the United States dispel that?

I like having different cultures around me. I find most people do.

123 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:16:39am

re: #115 tnguitarist

100.9%? You are superhuman.


I need to drop a few pounds.

124 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:17:08am

re: #121 DaddyG

Somewhere there are one Billion Chinese wondering why a culture with less than 500 years on the planet and a minority of its ethnicities are fighting over who is superior?

One look at the history of the many different peoples that got incorporated into China will tell you that they too, do not have a monolithic culture either.

125 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:17:20am

re: #122 Obdicut

This is the part I don't get about Buchanan and racists like him:

How on earth is there a concomitant drive to live apart? Doesn't the United States dispel that?

I like having different cultures around me. I find most people do.

Classic projection on their part.

126 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:17:33am

re: #118 Dreggas

Most good music these days is underground filling venues that only seat a few thousand but not selling out arenas. It'll never go mainstream because it doesn't sound like everything else out there. It used to be you could identify a band by sound, these days they all sound alike. As much as I like a few grunge bands I blame them along with the cookie-cutter boy bands for starting the trend.

I don't believe it started there. The Nuggets compilation from the '60s has some bands that do absolutely spot-on impersonations (rip offs!) of Bob Dylan, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, etc. It's always been like that -- something gets popular, the industry tries to duplicate the success. It just seems like they're not even trying anymore, or trying in the wrong way - the biggest selling acts of the moment are Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber. Apparently, the RIAA doesn't believe that people over the age of 14 listen to music.

127 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:18:26am

re: #125 Varek Raith

Classic projection on their part.

The most multicultural society on earth -- the US-- has also been the pre-eminent immigration destination for eons. And it has been popular in part because it is multicultural.

Buchanan can't face reality.

128 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:18:31am

re: #122 Obdicut

This is the part I don't get about Buchanan and racists like him:

How on earth is there a concomitant drive to live apart? Doesn't the United States dispel that?

I like having different cultures around me. I find most people do.

In general I agree, but those people who seem to think they are a part of "white culture" as if such a thing existed, and as if that weren't openly racist, I can do without.

129 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:18:39am

re: #115 tnguitarist

100.9%? You are superhuman.

Nobody told me there was going to be math!

130 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:18:42am

re: #122 Obdicut

I like having different cultures around me. I find most people do.

If nothing else our choices for dining out kick butt!

131 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:19:39am

re: #124 LudwigVanQuixote

One look at the history of the many different peoples that got incorporated into China will tell you that they too, do not have a monolithic culture either.

Yup -good point.

Shhhh... lean in and I'll tell you a secret.

People are different.

132 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:19:44am

re: #130 DaddyG

If nothing else our choices for dining out kick butt!

two words

BUFORD HIGHWAY

You can get any ethnic meal you want/ need in about a 4 mile stretch

133 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:20:15am

Lets just see.

Dad's Side: My great grandfather was adopted from French orphanage by an Italian family, married an Italian girl, had my Grandpa, who married a Scottish Girl and lived in Connecticut

Mom's Side: Great Great Grandfather was German who married an Indian girl while working as Scout/ranch hand and settled in Texas. Wait a few generations and my Mom arrives.

So I'm a possibly French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian Southern Yankee who was born and raised in California. Oh yeah, and I married a Japanese Girl, so my 2 kids are French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian, Japanese.

So are we white?

134 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:20:43am

re: #129 sattv4u2

...and a pop quiz. I hope you studied.

135 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:20:52am

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lets just see.

Dad's Side: My great grandfather was adopted from French orphanage by an Italian family, married an Italian girl, had my Grandpa, who married a Scottish Girl and lived in Connecticut

Mom's Side: Great Great Grandfather was German who married an Indian girl while working as Scout/ranch hand and settled in Texas. Wait a few generations and my Mom arrives.

So I'm a possibly French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian Southern Yankee who was born and raised in California. Oh yeah, and I married a Japanese Girl, so my 2 kids are French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian, Japanese.

So are we white?

do you like mayonnaise?

136 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:21:04am

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You and those like you show what claptrap Buchannan is trying to peddle.

137 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:21:07am

re: #134 tnguitarist

...and a pop quiz. I hope you studied.

ummm,, the dog ate my homework

138 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:21:08am

re: #126 Vambo

Apparently, the RIAA doesn't believe that people over the age of 14 listen to music.

Unfortunately I do listen to music - that my 12-16 year olds select. Just poke my ears out with knitting needles if Lady Ga Ga comes on the radio again.

139 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:21:18am

re: #135 Vambo

do you like mayonnaise?

Sometimes.

140 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:21:28am

re: #126 Vambo

Apparently, the RIAA doesn't believe that people over the age of 14 listen to music.

I'll keep linking to this as long as it keeps being true.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0

141 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:21:47am

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sometimes.


Hellman's or Miracle Whip?

142 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:21:48am

re: #124 LudwigVanQuixote

One look at the history of the many different peoples that got incorporated into China will tell you that they too, do not have a monolithic culture either.

Nor is it especially racially tolerant. Believe me - Western countries are the least racist around. No matter how much Pat Buchanan and the Conservative cult might hope otherwise.

143 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:21:50am

dang it.

144 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:22:06am

"White Ethnonationalism"

What a cute little euphemism for Nazi ideology.

Hitler was widely considered a fool and a clown in late Wiemar Germany. I don't imagine Americans to be any wiser or more prescient than the average German was at the time. All this discontent, this stoked fire, this fantasy of victimization and the promise of a "real American" to save us from the "other" is fruit ripe for the picking for the next fool or clown.

What amazes me is that this kind of thing could start bubbling up when we are still so fat and spoiled, by and large. There aren't many Americans starving to death, our currency is still functional, and our markets still full of food. It shows the raw power of mass propaganda, as we have perfected it. No organization or nation has ever in the history of man even come close to the skill of the American propaganda industry. It really is astounding.

145 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:22:06am

re: #121 DaddyG

Somewhere there are one Billion Chinese wondering why a culture with less than 500 years on the planet and a minority of its ethnicities are fighting over deluding themselves about who is superior?

Fixed that for you.

One of the reasons I favor people getting university educations and at least some period of time living in a large city (along with some time living in a rural location as well!) is the simple exposure to multiple cultures and the viewpoints. Cities are often fantastic melting pots and basically don't act as echo chambers for cultural viewpoints unless one goes to pains to keep oneself isolated.

146 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:22:07am

This is classic tribalism. So, let all the white Anglo Saxons write angry newsletters and congregate at O'Dowds. It's a natural part of the sociological process of losing a ruling majority.

147 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:22:26am

re: #141 ralphieboy

Hellman's or Miracle Whip?

Miracle Whip is to Mayonnaise what Cheeze Whiz is to ,, well,,, CHEESE!

148 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:22:37am
149 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:22:38am

re: #141 ralphieboy

Hellman's or Miracle Whip?

Miracle whip is not mayonaise. Its Miracle Whip.

150 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:22:48am

re: #132 sattv4u2

two words

BUFORD HIGHWAY

You can get any ethnic meal you want/ need in about a 4 mile stretch


Oh Yeah! I used to work in Norcross and I loved being able to choose between all you can eat Sushi and Burritos the size of your head.

Which probably explains the 100.9%

151 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:23:00am

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lets just see.

Dad's Side: My great grandfather was adopted from French orphanage by an Italian family, married an Italian girl, had my Grandpa, who married a Scottish Girl and lived in Connecticut

Mom's Side: Great Great Grandfather was German who married an Indian girl while working as Scout/ranch hand and settled in Texas. Wait a few generations and my Mom arrives.

So I'm a possibly French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian Southern Yankee who was born and raised in California. Oh yeah, and I married a Japanese Girl, so my 2 kids are French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian, Japanese.

So are we white?

Wow! As I love to say "everyone has a story!" and you have more than just one!

152 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:24:28am

re: #144 Fozzie Bear

"White Ethnonationalism"

What a cute little euphemism for Nazi ideology.

Hitler was widely considered a fool and a clown in late Wiemar Germany. I don't imagine Americans to be any wiser or more prescient than the average German was at the time. All this discontent, this stoked fire, this fantasy of victimization and the promise of a "real American" to save us from the "other" is fruit ripe for the picking for the next fool or clown.

What amazes me is that this kind of thing could start bubbling up when we are still so fat and spoiled, by and large. There aren't many Americans starving to death, our currency is still functional, and our markets still full of food. It shows the raw power of mass propaganda, as we have perfected it. No organization or nation has ever in the history of man even come close to the skill of the American propaganda industry. It really is astounding.

I like reading you Fozzie. Glad you joined :)

153 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:24:30am

re: #138 DaddyG

Unfortunately I do listen to music - that my 12-16 year olds select. Just poke my ears out with knitting needles if Lady Ga Ga comes on the radio again.

Hay, DaddyG! Lady Gaga just spoke out for celibacy at the MAC's Viva Glam Campain to fight Aids.
My daughter said she was going to tape the newspaper clipping to her wall!

154 ShaunP  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:24:46am

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lets just see.

Dad's Side: My great grandfather was adopted from French orphanage by an Italian family, married an Italian girl, had my Grandpa, who married a Scottish Girl and lived in Connecticut

Mom's Side: Great Great Grandfather was German who married an Indian girl while working as Scout/ranch hand and settled in Texas. Wait a few generations and my Mom arrives.

So I'm a possibly French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian Southern Yankee who was born and raised in California. Oh yeah, and I married a Japanese Girl, so my 2 kids are French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian, Japanese.

So are we white?

Kragar, I think you and I will need to start our own tribe. Let's see:

I'm of Columbian, Irish, Italian, American Indian, Dutch, Jamaican decent, who has a child with a German/Italian woman, living in a predominantly Cuban neighborhood, dating a Jamaican woman.

I also like mayonnaise, but refuse to eat it because of the fat content. :p

155 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:25:02am

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh and for the record, unless you are a Native American, the word Tribe is a Jewish thing.

If you meet someone who you think is a fellow of member of the tribe, you might work in oh are you a tribe member too?

So no, neo-nazis are not the new blacks and they sure as hell aren't the new Jews.

It is damned insulting.

Strongly disagree. Other groups have had tribes at various points, including a number in Europe (eastern AND western). Yes, many of the ones you are likely to have heard of were clans, not tribes, but there were many, many tribes as well. Not all native american cultures were tribal. Other groups have a legitimate claim to the term 'tribe,' even if you aren't familiar with their usage. In fact, there are even groups that use the term 'tribe' that doesn't closely fit the current historical meaning, and people still manage to get not all pissy about it.

There are better reasons to be 'damn insulted' about neonazis than to manufacture outrage because neither of you are very familiar with the term 'tribe'.

156 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:25:17am

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lets just see.

Dad's Side: My great grandfather was adopted from French orphanage by an Italian family, married an Italian girl, had my Grandpa, who married a Scottish Girl and lived in Connecticut

Mom's Side: Great Great Grandfather was German who married an Indian girl while working as Scout/ranch hand and settled in Texas. Wait a few generations and my Mom arrives.

So I'm a possibly French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian Southern Yankee who was born and raised in California. Oh yeah, and I married a Japanese Girl, so my 2 kids are French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian, Japanese.

So are we white?

Dude that is really pretty awesome in its way. That is the sort of thing that can only happen in America.

157 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:25:33am

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lets just see.

Dad's Side: My great grandfather was adopted from French orphanage by an Italian family, married an Italian girl, had my Grandpa, who married a Scottish Girl and lived in Connecticut

Mom's Side: Great Great Grandfather was German who married an Indian girl while working as Scout/ranch hand and settled in Texas. Wait a few generations and my Mom arrives.

So I'm a possibly French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian Southern Yankee who was born and raised in California. Oh yeah, and I married a Japanese Girl, so my 2 kids are French, Italian, Scot, German, American Indian, Japanese.

So are we white?

Damn.
I figure you can damn well be whatever you want to be.

158 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:25:42am

re: #144 Fozzie Bear

"White Ethnonationalism"

What a cute little euphemism for Nazi ideology.

Hitler was widely considered a fool and a clown in late Wiemar Germany. I don't imagine Americans to be any wiser or more prescient than the average German was at the time. All this discontent, this stoked fire, this fantasy of victimization and the promise of a "real American" to save us from the "other" is fruit ripe for the picking for the next fool or clown.

What amazes me is that this kind of thing could start bubbling up when we are still so fat and spoiled, by and large. There aren't many Americans starving to death, our currency is still functional, and our markets still full of food. It shows the raw power of mass propaganda, as we have perfected it. No organization or nation has ever in the history of man even come close to the skill of the American propaganda industry. It really is astounding.

Perfectly said.

159 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:25:45am

re: #138 DaddyG

Unfortunately I do listen to music - that my 12-16 year olds select. Just poke my ears out with knitting needles if Lady Ga Ga comes on the radio again.

Her music stinks, but I enjoy her presence. She's not a blow-up doll, nor a generic Miss America contestant, and she sings about Arthur C. Clarke and Alfred Hitchcock. Her music is trash, but she looks interesting. The fact that she is impressive shows how low the standard is.

160 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:26:10am

re: #154 ShaunP

Kragar, I think you and I will need to start our own tribe. Let's see:

I'm of Columbian, Irish, Italian, American Indian, Dutch, Jamaican decent, who has a child with a German/Italian woman, living in a predominantly Cuban neighborhood, dating a Jamaican woman.

I also like mayonnaise, but refuse to eat it because of the fat content. :p

The SFZ rule, get an American started on their genealogy and you will get an earful

161 recusancy  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:26:22am

re: #121 DaddyG

Somewhere there are one Billion Chinese wondering why a culture with less than 500 years on the planet and a minority of its ethnicities are fighting over who is superior?

hu? There are different ethnic groups in China also. This isn't unique to America. They aren't all Han over there.

162 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:27:02am

re: #159 Vambo

Her music stinks, but I enjoy her presence. She's not a blow-up doll, nor a generic Miss America contestant, and she sings about Arthur C. Clarke and Alfred Hitchcock. Her music is trash, but she looks interesting. The fact that she is impressive shows how low the standard is.

She's a talented 24 year old singer/songwriter/preformance artist.

163 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:27:13am

re: #145 oaktree

Fixed that for you.

One of the reasons I favor people getting university educations and at least some period of time living in a large city (along with some time living in a rural location as well!) is the simple exposure to multiple cultures and the viewpoints. Cities are often fantastic melting pots and basically don't act as echo chambers for cultural viewpoints unless one goes to pains to keep oneself isolated.


I can tell you my time working in an urban capital city has opened my eyes- and I wasn't exactly a provincial raving racist to start with.

164 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:27:31am

re: #156 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude that is really pretty awesome in its way. That is the sort of thing that can only happen in America.

Yep.
A friend and I spent a few days in San Antonio recently, and while there, we saw a group of Air Force guys walking around, in their uniforms.

A black face, a white face, an asian face, a brown face.
I told her look at that, the face of America right there in that one small group of people. We loved it.

165 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:27:33am

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Miracle whip is not mayonaise. Its Miracle Whip.


Damn Yankee. /

166 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:27:35am

Just for the record-I'm white and mayonnaise is disgusting. You can have my mustard when you pry it from my cold, yellow fingers.

167 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:27:37am

re: #155 Altermite

There are better reasons to be 'damn insulted' about neonazis than to manufacture outrage because neither of you are very familiar with the term 'tribe'.

Dumb ass, don't tell me how Jews refer to each other commonly in this country - and if you've been reading what I have been writing at all, you will find I am a lot more angry at the whole tear down America thing.

168 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:27:43am

re: #160 prairiefire

The SFZ rule, get an American started on their genealogy and you will get an earful

This German, English, Irish, Swedish, Italian, Cherokee, Blackfoot Indian American agrees!
:)

169 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:28:04am

re: #153 prairiefire

Hay, DaddyG! Lady Gaga just spoke out for celibacy at the MAC's Viva Glam Campain to fight Aids.
My daughter said she was going to tape the newspaper clipping to her wall!


I have nothing against her personally other than her music. ;-D

170 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:28:19am

re: #159 Vambo

Her music stinks, but I enjoy her presence. She's not a blow-up doll, nor a generic Miss America contestant, and she sings about Arthur C. Clarke and Alfred Hitchcock. Her music is trash, but she looks interesting. The fact that she is impressive shows how low the standard is.

Ya think her music is trash really? I like it. It's very Madonna-like, but I enjoy it. Not that I'd buy a CD, but if we're talking teen bubblegum, I certainly like her better than Britney or Kate Perry.

171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:28:46am

re: #161 recusancy

hu? There are different ethnic groups in China also. This isn't unique to America. They aren't all Han over there.

Yes, but they invented paper and the seismograph while Northern Europeans were...well, iron age Celts.

Some cool art, funky-looking runes that make a good plot line for a book, but really, you wouldn't have wanted to live there.

172 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:29:25am

re: #166 tnguitarist

Just for the record-I'm white and mayonnaise is disgusting. You can have my mustard when you pry it from my cold, yellow fingers.

YELLOW mustard?

You must be a kid! Spicey Brown for adults!!
//

173 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:29:34am
174 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:30:06am

re: #145 oaktree

I grew up in a small, white, town in the northeast. My exposure to other cultures was limited to history class in school and what I saw on the nightly news (mainly stories about scary black gangs and murders in black neighborhoods and those that were murders involving whites were reported without the ZOMG factor).

I moved to L.A. when I was 18, hopped a greyhound and rode cross country. Really, I never looked back and one of the best things to happen was the challenging of my past cultural pre-conceptions. In my town the local sheriff/mayor tried to convince everyone that the town was going to be like big scary "Los Angeles" with its gangs and violence and it would be us kids causing trouble. Of course that never happened, the point was the stereotyping of L.A. in everyone's mind.

The same went for racial prejudice and stereo-typing. Hell my grandparents thought black people were black because that was the proverbial mark of Cain! It was just that sad.

So I came here, met people of all ethnicities and backgrounds and races and I am better for it. I still have to point out to family and other back there that not all arabic people are evil anti-semites, or that not all black people carry guns out here and blah-blah-blah.

175 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:30:25am

re: #77 Jeff In Ohio

You are white, but as an exhibition of my familiarity of your Jewishness, I declare you are a chicken breast, and not a pork loin.

Juice: the other other white meat

176 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:30:28am

re: #159 Vambo

Her music stinks, but I enjoy her presence. She's not a blow-up doll, nor a generic Miss America contestant, and she sings about Arthur C. Clarke and Alfred Hitchcock. Her music is trash, but she looks interesting. The fact that she is impressive shows how low the standard is.

She has managed to gain fame beginning by posting her own videos on you-tube - no famous parents or friends or relatives, no American Idol, no starting out as a cutesy kid on a Disney show and morphing into a white-trash singer in adulthood (Britney).

I have a certain admiration for her.

177 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:30:28am

re: #161 recusancy

hu? There are different ethnic groups in China also. This isn't unique to America. They aren't all Han over there.


Take that with a grain of snark. I was referring to the country culture and being a bit sarcastic.

178 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:30:34am

re: #172 sattv4u2

A 37 year old kid. I love all mustards equally.

179 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:30:45am

re: #173 Alouette

Arabs were complaining that the Census forms required them to be white.

I move that we are all allowed to draw a pie chart for the census, and they can use a mega compter to average it all out.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:30:53am

re: #17 RogueOne

When only 98.9% of a segment of our population votes for one candidate over the other you shouldn't be surprised when you only see 1% of that segment in opposition. Somehow that seems to be lost on people.

Fair enough--but they insist so fiercely that this is not all about the partisan.

It is.

181 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:31:48am

re: #163 DaddyG

I can tell you my time working in an urban capital city has opened my eyes- and I wasn't exactly a provincial raving racist to start with.

Ditto. And I've found it additional enlightenment from living in the urban environment instead of simply commuting into it to work.

Next step will be doing so in a non-north eastern city (D.C., Pittsburgh, Philadelphia so far.) [D.C. might be considered "southern", but I don't think it really attempts to take on southern characteristics. Too busy being what it is.]

182 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:31:54am

re: #95 Obdicut

Heh. I used the same rye-bread joke, though I said I was Rúgbrauð, since I'm 1/2 Icelandic-ish.

Would that be Icelandic-ash.

183 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:31:56am

re: #178 tnguitarist

A 37 year old kid. I love all mustards equally.

37 !?!? I have shoes older than you!!

(56 y/o here)
/

184 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:32:02am

THE DAY IS MINE!

Just got my buddy in the office.

"Hey, have you heard that joke you're not supposed to tell homosexuals?"
"No."
"Oh" and I walk away.
"...HEY!"

185 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:32:08am

re: #170 marjoriemoon

Ya think her music is trash really? I like it. It's very Madonna-like, but I enjoy it. Not that I'd buy a CD, but if we're talking teen bubblegum, I certainly like her better than Britney or Kate Perry.

I don't think trash is a necessarily a bad thing - I like campiness. Her songs have some interesting hooks, but that's not enough for me to say "great song!".

186 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:32:31am

re: #183 sattv4u2

37 !?!? I have shoes older than you!!

(56 y/o here)
/

You really like old shoes, eh?
/:P

187 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:32:44am

re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You know how to figure out if you're telling a really dumb joke?

188 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:32:51am

re: #162 prairiefire

She's a talented 24 year old singer/songwriter/preformance artist.

I'm a trained musician (Classical and Jazz instrumental) and I'm really picky (snob) about what I call talented. 99% of the top 40 fails to impress. She is of course good at what she does and I couldn't come close to being at her level of popular music talent in a million years of trying. But its easy to be a critic.

189 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:32:58am

re: #176 reine.de.tout

She has managed to gain fame beginning by posting her own videos on you-tube - no famous parents or friends or relatives, no American Idol, no starting out as a cutesy kid on a Disney show and morphing into a white-trash singer in adulthood (Britney).

I have a certain admiration for her.

I do too. Like I said, I love the fact that she is famous right now.

190 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:33:07am

re: #186 Varek Raith

You really like old shoes, eh?
/:P

They don't make em like they used too

191 recusancy  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:33:12am

re: #159 Vambo

Her music stinks, but I enjoy her presence. She's not a blow-up doll, nor a generic Miss America contestant, and she sings about Arthur C. Clarke and Alfred Hitchcock. Her music is trash, but she looks interesting. The fact that she is impressive shows how low the standard is.

She is an extremely talented singer and piano player. You may not like it but that doesn't show "how low the standard is".

192 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:33:14am

re: #161 recusancy

hu? There are different ethnic groups in China also. This isn't unique to America. They aren't all Han over there.

Family portraits of 56 ethnic groups in China

193 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:33:33am

re: #187 Obdicut

You know how to figure out if you're telling a really dumb joke?

Yes.

194 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:33:53am

OK silly racial debate:

I early posited that Jews were not white bread, but rather rye bread. The GF informs me that no, we are challah bread.

Opinions of other tribe members?

Or should we just be bagels?

195 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:34:06am

re: #159 Vambo


Christopher Walken reading "Pokerface"

196 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:34:07am

re: #181 oaktree

Ditto. And I've found it additional enlightenment from living in the urban environment instead of simply commuting into it to work.

Next step will be doing so in a non-north eastern city (D.C., Pittsburgh, Philadelphia so far.) [D.C. might be considered "southern", but I don't think it really attempts to take on southern characteristics. Too busy being what it is.]


DC is what I would call international. I can't do the Urban living thing with 7 kids- but "some of my best friends live in the city". Heh.

197 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:34:17am

re: #193 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're no fun.

198 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:34:28am

stalkerblog today

Could be. How would you tell? I used to think that Spacejesus was Charles playing at being a completely sterotypical L³iberal just to yank people’s chains. I’m not sure Spacejesus isn’t Charles, but I no longer think he is playing. The stupid runs strong in that one.


they're on to meus

199 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:34:45am

re: #174 Dreggas

I grew up in a small, white, town in the northeast. My exposure to other cultures was limited to history class in school and what I saw on the nightly news (mainly stories about scary black gangs and murders in black neighborhoods and those that were murders involving whites were reported without the ZOMG factor).

I moved to L.A. when I was 18, hopped a greyhound and rode cross country. Really, I never looked back and one of the best things to happen was the challenging of my past cultural pre-conceptions. In my town the local sheriff/mayor tried to convince everyone that the town was going to be like big scary "Los Angeles" with its gangs and violence and it would be us kids causing trouble. Of course that never happened, the point was the stereotyping of L.A. in everyone's mind.

The same went for racial prejudice and stereo-typing. Hell my grandparents thought black people were black because that was the proverbial mark of Cain! It was just that sad.

So I came here, met people of all ethnicities and backgrounds and races and I am better for it. I still have to point out to family and other back there that not all arabic people are evil anti-semites, or that not all black people carry guns out here and blah-blah-blah.


You can also see why some many people cling to Creationism: God created white men, blacks are a degeneration.

200 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:34:51am

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

OK silly racial debate:

I early posited that Jews were not white bread, but rather rye bread. The GF informs me that no, we are challah bread.

Opinions of other tribe members?

Or should we just be bagels?

As a non-Jew, I'm confused. You're bread???
///

201 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:35:14am

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, by that logic I think we're matzo.

202 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:35:44am

re: #182 Alouette

Would that be Icelandic-ash.


Did you just call him an ash?

Or better yet is Eyjafjallajokull Icelandic for Ash Hole?

203 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:36:02am

re: #159 Vambo

Her music stinks, but I enjoy her presence. She's not a blow-up doll, nor a generic Miss America contestant, and she sings about Arthur C. Clarke and Alfred Hitchcock. Her music is trash, but she looks interesting. The fact that she is impressive shows how low the standard is.

"Poker Face" has exactly one note. Actually I thought Cartman's cover showed more range.

204 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:36:25am

re: #185 Vambo

I don't think trash is a necessarily a bad thing - I like campiness. Her songs have some interesting hooks, but that's not enough for me to say "great song!".

It's her whole thing. She's unique. Well, maybe not even unique, but she's definitely different. A little naughty, edgy. I really like her. She's her own person. Three cheers for the non-conformists!

205 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:36:39am

re: #201 Obdicut

Well, by that logic I think we're matzo.

Ohh good point!

206 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:36:42am

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

Dumb ass, don't tell me how Jews refer to each other commonly in this country - and if you've been reading what I have been writing at all, you will find I am a lot more angry at the whole tear down America thing.

Dumb ass? Really? Are you four?

Did you so disagree with my saying that YOUR claim

"unless you are a Native American, the word Tribe is a Jewish thing."

was incorrect? Because it is. the word Tribe is not a Jewish thing. It is a word that jews use, as do many other groups. Becoming upset because other people use it is stupid. Really, really stupid.

Good for you for also being upset about other reasons. Maybe you don't need the bullshit reason after all, then?

207 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:36:49am

re: #191 recusancy

She is an extremely talented singer and piano player. You may not like it but that doesn't show "how low the standard is".

let's agree to disagree, I don't think she is extremely talented as a vocalist or pianist - (her piano playing amounts to chords & rolling chords) - and again, that's not a bad thing. Madonna has made some great music with an average vocal range and no other musical ability.

I'm saying all this because I DO think she's 1000x better than Britney, Katy Perry (EEW), or anyone to come out of American Idol. Which is disappointing.

208 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:37:09am

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Cough cough [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

209 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:37:30am

re: #206 Altermite

Can you name another group that uses the word 'tribe', please, in the modern day?

210 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:37:43am

re: #204 marjoriemoon

Three cheers for the non-conformists!

shit, do I hear that!

211 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:38:01am

Oh and for the record I am french-canadian (yeah even they are different), english, german, dutch and native american. Mom's side was pure dutch all the way back to the netherlands, Dad's family came down out of canada sometime after 1812. One family member married a Native American (mohawk/Iroquois) and passed that down through my dad. Where I grew up I could find members of the extended family in nearly every cemetery, some fought for the british in the revolution, some didn't. Some fought in the civil war for the north. Lots of history but if anything we're american, skin color to me is meaningless.

212 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:38:03am

I belong to the tribe of the individual. Patrick's my enemy.

213 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:38:05am

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

OK silly racial debate:

I early posited that Jews were not white bread, but rather rye bread. The GF informs me that no, we are challah bread.

Opinions of other tribe members?

Or should we just be bagels?

Embrace diversity- be an assortment.

214 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:39:09am

OK, time for a cookbook post for those who've missed the several ones I posted earlier.

A Volume 2 update, plus a poll to decide how to divide the proceeds from Volume 2, is here.

Please vote.

215 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:39:21am

re: #200 Varek Raith

As a non-Jew, I'm confused. You're bread???
///

I earlier remarked that a good friend and colleague of mine who is black once called my white bread as part of a joke. I told him that was rye bread to him. The implication, that Jews don't count as white.

The GF is pointing out that while you can't possibly have a good deli sandwich without rye bread, we should be challalh instead. Ob just pointed out that Matzah is even better.

216 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:39:54am

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

OK silly racial debate:

I early posited that Jews were not white bread, but rather rye bread. The GF informs me that no, we are challah bread.

Opinions of other tribe members?

Or should we just be bagels?

Je suis une baguette.

217 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:40:05am

re: #173 Alouette

So was my future father in law. He's latino from panama with some black ancestry and they had nothing on it that covered him or the family.

218 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:40:31am

re: #148 darthstar

OT: Robert Reich on Mitch McConnell:

When Mitch McConnell has to misquote me to find evidence he’s telling the truth, he is desperate.

Mark Halperin basically said the Republicans are either stupid or liars on Morning Joe today.
Mark Halperin of all people...

219 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:41:43am

re: #208 McSpiff

Cough cough [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Look I am not debating that there are a ton of other groups that were tribal at one point. That was not the point of what I was saying in 38. I am saying that Jewish people in America today, use the phrase Tribe and member of tribe as a common thing we say.

It really is a Jewish thing.

No Irish guy goes and ass another Irish guy if he is a member of the tribe - even if they are descended from the same Celtic tribes.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:41:55am

re: #93 RogueOne

Read more: [Link: www.newyorker.com...]

Early Syrian and Lebanese immigrants fought hard to be considered white. These days, some folks see it very differently.

221 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:42:01am

re: #216 Alouette

Je suis une baguette.

shiksa/////

222 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:42:05am

re: #209 Obdicut

Can you name another group that uses the word 'tribe', please, in the modern day?

See my #208, right before yours. Unless Canadian high schools and universities have become racist when I wasn't looking, the Celtic tribes are taught, as pre-clan groups mostly (if i remember correctly, regardless tribe is used within some context for the celts).

223 jvic  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:42:40am

Why can't we all just get along?

If we acted as though every week is National Siblinghood Week, what a wonderful place this world would be.

224 Tardis  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:42:46am

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

OK silly racial debate:

I early posited that Jews were not white bread, but rather rye bread. The GF informs me that no, we are challah bread.

Opinions of other tribe members?

Or should we just be bagels?

Raisin Challah with mayo?

225 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:43:00am

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF

Look I am not debating that there are a ton of other groups that were tribal at one point. That was not the point of what I was saying in 38. I am saying that Jewish people in America today, use the phrase Tribe and member of tribe as a common thing we say.

It really is a Jewish thing.

No Irish guy goes and asks another Irish guy if he is a member of the tribe - even if they are descended from the same Celtic tribes.

226 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:43:04am

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

O shit, I think I misunderstood your context. You mean jews use tribe as in "LVQ belongs to a tribe."?

227 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:43:15am

re: #224 Tardis

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

Raisin Challah with mayo?

INFIDEL!

228 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:43:31am

Alicia Keyes is an awesome song writer:

229 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:44:01am

re: #210 Vambo

shit, do I hear that!

lol I knew I could convince you.

This is probably really stupid of me, but the Target commercials really piss me off to no end. The ones where E V E R Y O N E conforms. Everyone is wearing red or wearing yellow or blue, whatever. Everything is the same, the furniture, the walls, the rugs. OMG when the hell did this happen to our country. Maybe it's the pendulum swinging back again, but it freakin scares the hellouta me.

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:44:12am

re: #110 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah but we are more pink than white really.

Beige-y.

231 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:44:37am

re: #229 marjoriemoon

lol I knew I could convince you.

This is probably really stupid of me, but the Target commercials really piss me off to no end. The ones where E V E R Y O N E conforms. Everyone is wearing red or wearing yellow or blue, whatever. Everything is the same, the furniture, the walls, the rugs. OMG when the hell did this happen to our country. Maybe it's the pendulum swinging back again, but it freakin scares the hellouta me.

It's a commercial. We aren't all universally attractive and peppy, either.

232 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:45:08am

re: #222 McSpiff

In the modern day.

233 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:45:26am

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

OK silly racial debate:

I early posited that Jews were not white bread, but rather rye bread. The GF informs me that no, we are challah bread.

Opinions of other tribe members?

Or should we just be bagels?

My Israeli cousins are 1/2 Iraqi (back from Babylonia actually) so they're probably more like pumpernickel!

234 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:45:37am

re: #232 Obdicut

In the modern day.

Just clued into that, Mea cupla. Learn something new everyday here.

235 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:45:45am

Arizona going birther ?:

"PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for re-election.

The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote."

Birther.

236 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:45:59am

re: #209 Obdicut

Can you name another group that uses the word 'tribe', please, in the modern day?

Well, I did. check the link. Though that one is slightly tongue-in-cheek.

If you want a group that isn't a college team name, Mcspiff provided the term applied to the celtic tribes. There are also east and west germanic tribes, magyar tribes, and assorted other tribes before you even leave europe.

If you want contemporary tribes, they certainly exist in both Iraq and Afghanistan, which still count some of their ethnic groups as belonging to various tribes. There are also a number of distinct tribal groups existing in Africa, diverse parts of asia, and, depending on which anthropologist you ask, australia and many of the pacific islands.

Oh, and the mormons have something going on, but that ties into both indoamerican and jewish tradition, so we'll forgo that.

237 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:46:01am

re: #209 Obdicut

Can you name another group that uses the word 'tribe', please, in the modern day?

I refer to my immediate (large) family as a tribe in a light hearted way. After doing a lot of geneological research I realized we are much like the ancient family groups. I think a lot of people who are into history and family lines are familiar with tribe, family and nation being somewhat similar. The funny thing is I see tribe as national and sometimes faith based but not so much ethnic in that context. One of the reasons tribes started out as ethnic islands is geographic isolation. We don't have that excuse in the modern world.

238 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:46:06am

re: #231 EmmmieG

It's a commercial. We aren't all universally attractive and peppy, either.

Yea, but it's a reflection of culture and it's disturbing to me.

239 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:46:07am

re: #196 DaddyG

DC is what I would call international. I can't do the Urban living thing with 7 kids- but "some of my best friends live in the city". Heh.

Oh you could... but it would drive you nuts. ;)

There's something to be said for having space, quiet, and more than twenty stars in the sky at night that aren't airliners in the pattern at the local airport.

Thus my opinion that people should get the wide exposure to different living styles, vocations, locations, and the broadened viewpoints that this (hopefully) triggers.

And the same goes for the tongue-in-cheek East vs West (intra-US) debate about which area is better. They all have their assets and liabilities and hopefully can be enjoyed by as many people as possible in a friendly manner.

240 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:46:15am

re: #229 marjoriemoon

This is probably really stupid of me, but the Target commercials really piss me off to no end. The ones where E V E R Y O N E conforms. Everyone is wearing red or wearing yellow or blue, whatever. Everything is the same, the furniture, the walls, the rugs. OMG when the hell did this happen to our country. Maybe it's the pendulum swinging back again, but it freakin scares the hellouta me.

when IKEA became popular...

241 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:47:07am

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

Look I am not debating that there are a ton of other groups that were tribal at one point. That was not the point of what I was saying in 38. I am saying that Jewish people in America today, use the phrase Tribe and member of tribe as a common thing we say.

It really is a Jewish thing.

No Irish guy goes and ass another Irish guy if he is a member of the tribe - even if they are descended from the same Celtic tribes.

Yea, but Ludwig, I'm not sure if anyone but other Jews recognize that. In fact, I said it to my boss the other day and he looked at me and said, "Tribe?" I had to explain.

242 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:47:33am

re: #236 Altermite

The people in Iraq and Afghanistan don't use English to refer to themselves, dude. The word 'Tribe' is English.

You're totally misunderstanding Ludwig's point.

243 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:47:52am

Partial to Fionna Apple myself

244 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:48:08am

re: #241 marjoriemoon

I think that's why Ludwig is explaining it.

245 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:48:11am

re: #226 McSpiff

O shit, I think I misunderstood your context. You mean jews use tribe as in "LVQ belongs to a tribe."?

Yes as in we are all the same tribe.

In fact, it is even literal as the word Jew derives from the tribe of Judah.

It became humorous to ask someone that you were not sure if they were Jewish if they were a tribe member. That way there was less chance of causing offense if the intent of the question was mistaken or if the person wasn't.

And if a person doesn't get, "are you a member of the Tribe?" then you can be pretty sure that they aren't.

246 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:48:25am

re: #237 DaddyG

I refer to my immediate (large) family as a tribe in a light hearted way. After doing a lot of geneological research I realized we are much like the ancient family groups. I think a lot of people who are into history and family lines are familiar with tribe, family and nation being somewhat similar. The funny thing is I see tribe as national and sometimes faith based but not so much ethnic in that context. One of the reasons tribes started out as ethnic islands is geographic isolation. We don't have that excuse in the modern world.

Upding for another common usage of the term tribe. Tribes are generally considered pre- or extra-national units, though.

247 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:50:37am

re: #244 Obdicut

I think that's why Ludwig is explaining it.

It's really not that well known though as a phrase and I think most people, if you use the word "tribe" think Native American not Jew.

I live in a huge, giant city with lots and lots of Jews and it's not common here.

248 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:51:26am

re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes as in we are all the same tribe.

In fact, it is even literal as the word Jew derives from the tribe of Judah.

It became humorous to ask someone that you were not sure if they were Jewish if they were a tribe member. That way there was less chance of causing offense if the intent of the question was mistaken or if the person wasn't.

And if a person doesn't get, "are you a member of the Tribe?" then you can be pretty sure that they aren't.

I like that. Like I said to Obi, learn something new everyday here. All tribe members and fellow travelers here ;-)

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:51:33am

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

OK silly racial debate:

I early posited that Jews were not white bread, but rather rye bread. The GF informs me that no, we are challah bread.

Opinions of other tribe members?

Or should we just be bagels?

Some of us are bourekas.

250 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:51:34am

re: #216 Alouette

Je suis une baguette.

No, you're too sweet (tout de suite?)

Vous etes un beignet.

251 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:53:25am

re: #247 marjoriemoon

It's really not that well known though as a phrase and I think most people, if you use the word "tribe" think Native American not Jew.

I live in a huge, giant city with lots and lots of Jews and it's not common here.

I agree that most people would think Native American first, but amongst your community, if you said member of the tribe, you think they wouldn't get it?

Wow.

Now I have learned something. Perhaps it's a regional thing, because everyone here would get it. I assumed that a fellow like Buchanan would know it too since he likes to prong us so much and I assumed he was pointedly using it as an insult.

252 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:53:34am

re: #236 Altermite

Oh, and the mormons have something going on, but that ties into both indoamerican and jewish tradition, so we'll forgo that.


FYI- the Mormon tribal references...
We associate with the ancient tribes by adoption as symbolic of accepting covenants from God (aka Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph...) It isn't necessarily a belief in literal descendency - most people today are mutts anyway. In taking on those names we are really saying we accept the responsibility and blessings just as Israel did in ancient times. This is out of respect for the covenants Israel made not in any way meant to supplant or replace them. Just as we refer to our priesthood using ancient names of priesthood holders (Melchizedek and Arron). There is a connection there wth believing in the restoration of Godly authority- but that would be a very long discussion so I'll leave it at that.

253 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:53:58am

re: #250 reine.de.tout

Je suis une popsicle viande.

/sorry.

254 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:54:10am

And my all time favorite song by Fionna Apple

255 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:54:23am

re: #242 Obdicut

The people in Iraq and Afghanistan don't use English to refer to themselves, dude. The word 'Tribe' is English.

You're totally misunderstanding Ludwig's point.

I'm pretty sure Ludwig said nothing about English being necessary.

Even if it was, I disagree that non-jewish, non indoamerican people using the word 'tribe' (in english) to refer to themselves is somehow an illegitimate use of the word.

256 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:54:30am

Every time I come to LGF, I learn something new about Jews.

257 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:54:32am

re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm really barely Jewish, culturally, and I knew it. I can't really say where I knew it from though-- probably stand-up.

258 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:55:28am

re: #255 Altermite

The word tribe is English, dude, he doesn't have to specify that.

What is your deal here? Ludwig's point is that calling each other members of the 'tribe' is a Jewish cultural thing. that is a true statement. His point is that very few other cultural groups use the word 'tribe' to refer to their group. That is also true.

So what's your problem?

259 jvic  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:55:38am

re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote

It became humorous to ask someone that you were not sure if they were Jewish if they were a tribe member. That way there was less chance of causing offense if the intent of the question was mistaken or if the person wasn't.

And if a person doesn't get, "are you a member of the Tribe?" then you can be pretty sure that they aren't.

I've always interpreted that expression as a diplomatic euphemism.

Then I heard somebody announce on the radio that he had broken those people's Sekrit Zionist Code.

Jeebus.

260 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:55:53am

re: #256 cliffster

We do have horns, but not on our heads.

/

261 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:56:02am

re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote

I agree that most people would think Native American first, but amongst your community, if you said member of the tribe, you think they wouldn't get it?

Wow.

Now I have learned something. Perhaps it's a regional thing, because everyone here would get it. I assumed that a fellow like Buchanan would know it too since he likes to prong us so much and I assumed he was pointedly using it as an insult.

Most Jews get it, but non-Jews don't. My parent's generation wouldn't get it. I'd have to explain.

262 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:56:29am

re: #229 marjoriemoon

lol I knew I could convince you.

This is probably really stupid of me, but the Target commercials really piss me off to no end. The ones where E V E R Y O N E conforms. Everyone is wearing red or wearing yellow or blue, whatever. Everything is the same, the furniture, the walls, the rugs. OMG when the hell did this happen to our country. Maybe it's the pendulum swinging back again, but it freakin scares the hellouta me.

I shop at Target because the alternative is shopping at Wal-mart.

263 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:56:31am

re: #261 marjoriemoon

Most Jews get it, but non-Jews don't. My parent's generation wouldn't get it. I'd have to explain.

Fair enough.

264 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:56:32am

re: #256 cliffster

Every time I come to LGF, I learn something new about Jews.


...not to mention making a proper corned beef sandwich. /

265 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:57:07am

re: #253 Obdicut

Je suis une popsicle viande.

/sorry.

Je suis le Président de Burundi!

/

266 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:57:12am

re: #264 DaddyG

Reuben's FTW!

267 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:57:16am

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And my all time favorite song by Fionna Apple


[Video]

well if we are having a female teen prodigy showdown, then I'm upping the ante:

268 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:57:17am

re: #259 jvic

I've always interpreted that expression as a diplomatic euphemism.

Then I heard somebody announce on the radio that he had broken those people's Sekrit Zionist Code.

Jeebus.

Yes exactly. That is why I am pretty sure old Pat gets it too and is making a prong.

269 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:57:58am

Would you believe that just this morning my family read (brace yourself) Judges 20. (We skipped 19 and just told the kids that something really, really bad had happened.)

I explained to the kids that the problem going on in this chapter was that this group of people decided to have allegiance to their tribe over right and wrong. Some of the men in their tribe had done something heinous, and the rest of the tribe chose to defend them rather than make them face justice. Being loyal to your tribe is fine, so long as it doesn't trump allegiance to (God, right and wrong, justice, pick the one that works for you.)

Buchanan's calling for an allegiance to a skin color that would trump allegiance to justice, to fairness, probably to the law. Not only do I not feel like pledging allegiance to a melanin level, I would rather pledge allegiance to ideals than people who share a minimum amount of DNA with me. (Which is not to say I don't love my cousins and siblings and so on. I do.)

*steps off of soapbox, offers it to the next lizard in line*

270 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:58:16am

re: #262 Alouette

I shop at Target because the alternative is shopping at Wal-mart.

I shop there. I just detest those commercials. Actually, Marshall's here is better quality. The closest WalMart is in a bad neighborhood.

271 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:58:19am

re: #235 avanti

Arizona going birther ?:

"PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for re-election.

The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote."

Birther.


Their governor has five days to decide if she wants to look like a fucking idiot and sign the bill, or bring sanity back to AZ by vetoing it. If she's not running for reelection this year, I would think vetoing would be the smart decision...but I do believe she is a Republican.

272 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:58:29am

re: #259 jvic

I've always interpreted that expression as a diplomatic euphemism.

Then I heard somebody announce on the radio that he had broken those people's Sekrit Zionist Code.

Jeebus.

Yes! Those sneeky Rothschilds used to write to each other in German, but they used Hebrew characters to disguise their writing!

Sneeky Juice.

273 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:59:17am

re: #263 LudwigVanQuixote

Fair enough.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to poop on the tribal party. It must be regional. Do your parents use it?

274 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:59:27am

re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Eddie!

Here's his bit on Thanksgiving, just 'cuz it's barely relevant.

275 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:59:45am

The fact that the white race soon won't be the majority race in America is something that drives the Pat Buchanans of the world absolutely crazy.

276 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:59:50am

re: #262 Alouette

I shop at Target because the alternative is shopping at Wal-mart.

I just noticed that you have your grand-daughter up as your pic. She is lovely.

277 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:59:54am
278 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:00:35pm

re: #268 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes exactly. That is why I am pretty sure old Pat gets it too and is making a prong.

Well, that's the whole nature of the 'dog whistle' racism thing isn't it? If its poorly done, everyone picks up on it. When it's done well, only those who already agree with you get it, and it flies under normal people's radar.

Not saying Bunchanan dribble here was well done, but the usage of 'tribe' could have easily passed over my head before this discussion.

279 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:00:38pm

re: #273 marjoriemoon

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to poop on the tribal party. It must be regional. Do your parents use it?

Yes. Though I did have to explain it once to my grand parents. It might be a new phenomena.

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:01:02pm

re: #275 beekiller

The fact that the white race soon won't be the majority race in America is something that drives the Pat Buchanans of the world absolutely crazy.

Pat should remember that they didn't use to count Micks like himself and myself as 'white', and be grateful that the world changed.

Moron.

281 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:01:14pm

re: #199 ralphieboy

You can also see why some many people cling to Creationism: God created white men, blacks are a degeneration.


We drove that folk belief (non doctrinal unless you really twist the scriptures) out of our church over 30 years ago and it still haunts our race relations in the US. We are slowly becoming more diverse and reflecting the ethnicity of our host communities.

I wish that belief would be dispelled in the western world in general. It draws people away from each other and IMO away from God.

282 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:01:24pm

re: #269 EmmmieG

re: #269 EmmmieG


There was a time when you were not an considered or treated as an individual: you were a member of your Tribe. There was no survival outside your tribe. So it was natural that you were expected to be judged and even punished by the actions of your tribe.

But we are no longer goatherders in the Sinai, we are Americans in the 21st century.

Pass that news along to Pat and the rest of his followers

283 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:01:45pm

re: #258 Obdicut

The word tribe is English, dude, he doesn't have to specify that.

What is your deal here? Ludwig's point is that calling each other members of the 'tribe' is a Jewish cultural thing. that is a true statement. His point is that very few other cultural groups use the word 'tribe' to refer to their group. That is also true.

So what's your problem?


I suspect my problem was that I got called a dumbass for saying that the usage of the word tribe is not limited to the groups that Ludwig said it was.


Ohhh and for the record, unless you are a Native American, the word Tribe is a Jewish thing.

I disagreed with this statement, and provided supporting evidence, got called a dumbass, called him 4 years old, its all gravy.

What is your angle?

284 allegro  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:01:49pm

re: #229 marjoriemoon

Since you brought up the topic of creepy commercials...

I keep seeing one of girls on a beach with a small video camera. It shows how cool the camera is when one girl is taking video of her friends and catches this rotund guy behind them with headphones dancing around. She exclaims "this is SO going on the web!"

I don't think this is an OK thing. It's permission - even an advertising point - that you can take footage of anyone at anytime and publish it on the web without someone's knowledge or consent. One might argue that the guy didn't have any "expectation of privacy" being on a public beach, but that is far from being published worldwide without consent.

It creeps me out.

285 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:02:06pm

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

Pat should remember that they didn't use to count Micks like himself and myself as 'white', and be grateful that the world changed.

Moron.


You're not a Mick, unless you're toting an extra Y chromosome you haven't told us about. You're a Colleen.

286 Jaerik  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:02:33pm

re: #271 darthstar

Their governor has five days to decide if she wants to look like a fucking idiot and sign the bill, or bring sanity back to AZ by vetoing it. If she's not running for reelection this year, I would think vetoing would be the smart decision...but I do believe she is a Republican.

What is the law going to do?

Obama is from Hawaii. Hawaii does not furnish birth certificates. My HI friends can't get theirs either. They can get a Certificate of Live Birth, but Obama already provided that and it's evidently not good enough for them.

287 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:03:13pm

re: #284 allegro
The law says yes you can in most states as long as it is not posted for profit. It bugs me too.

288 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:03:30pm

Meeting time BBL!

289 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:04:02pm

re: #283 Altermite


Why not include the bit where you accused Ludwig of 'manfacturing outrage' in your first post?

That part really did make your post dumbass.

If you were confused by his usage of it, maybe you should have said so, instead of launching into accusations?

290 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:04:13pm

re: #286 Jaerik

What is the law going to do?

Obama is from Hawaii. Hawaii does not furnish birth certificates. My HI friends can't get theirs either. They can get a Certificate of Live Birth, but Obama already provided that and it's evidently not good enough for them.

Following this to its logical conclusion, it seems like a great way to get someone they don't like banned from the ballet.

291 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:04:43pm

re: #286 Jaerik

What is the law going to do?

Obama is from Hawaii. Hawaii does not furnish birth certificates. My HI friends can't get theirs either. They can get a Certificate of Live Birth, but Obama already provided that and it's evidently not good enough for them.

I don't have my original birth certificate.
I have a certified Certificate of Live Birth.
The passport folks accept it as total proof of citizenship.

I posted and posted and posted this during earlier times here at LGF, and a lot of folks never seemed to get it.

292 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:05:14pm

re: #274 Obdicut

Eddie!

Here's his bit on Thanksgiving, just 'cuz it's barely relevant.

[Video]

On Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot

"You kill your own people and we're fine with that. Hitler started killing his neighbors, oh you silly man. We'll only put up with that for a few years."

293 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:05:33pm

Buchanan wants to be Dirty Harry...

Gonzales: There is one question, Inspector Callahan: Why do they call you "Dirty Harry"?
De Georgio: Ah that's one thing about our Harry, doesn't play any favorites! Harry hates everybody: Limeys, Micks, Hebes, Fat Dagos, n*****s, Honkies, Chinks, you name it.
Gonzales: How does he feel about Mexicans?
De Georgio: Ask him.
Harry Callahan: Especially Spics.

Though I don't think regressing the world US back to 1971 is far enough for him.

294 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:06:05pm

re: #292 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's my favorite transvestite, and as a San Franciscan, that's saying something.

295 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:07:04pm

re: #284 allegro

Since you brought up the topic of creepy commercials...

I keep seeing one of girls on a beach with a small video camera. It shows how cool the camera is when one girl is taking video of her friends and catches this rotund guy behind them with headphones dancing around. She exclaims "this is SO going on the web!"

I don't think this is an OK thing. It's permission - even an advertising point - that you can take footage of anyone at anytime and publish it on the web without someone's knowledge or consent. One might argue that the guy didn't have any "expectation of privacy" being on a public beach, but that is far from being published worldwide without consent.

It creeps me out.

Indeed. Another disturbing comment on current culture.

One reason I don't go to the nude beach any longer, although if my husband knew he was being filmed, he'd probably stand up and swing it around. Maybe it's a guy thing :p

296 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:07:58pm

re: #277 Dreggas

I'll up the crazy...Georgia holds hearings on banning microchip implantation...hilarity ensues

Oh, that's too funny:

The Journal-Constitution reports that things started getting weird when a woman who described herself as a resident of DeKalb County told the committee: "I'm also one of the people in Georgia who has a microchip." Apparently no lawmaker took this as a warning sign, and she was allowed to continue her testimony.

"Microchips are like little beepers," the woman told the committee. "Just imagine, if you will, having a beeper in your rectum or genital area, the most sensitive area of your body. And your beeper numbers displayed on billboards throughout the city. All done without your permission."

"Ma'am, did you say you have a microchip?" state Rep. Tom Weldon (R) asked the woman.

"Yes, I do. This microchip was put in my vaginal-rectum area," she replied.

No one laughed. State Rep. Wendell Willard (R), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, asked her who had implanted the chip.

"The Department of Defense," she said.

Willard thanked the woman for her input, and the committee later approved the bill.

Rectum? It damn-near killed him!

297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:08:18pm

Buchanan is bad. Well at least it's not new news.

298 allegro  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:08:33pm

re: #295 marjoriemoon

One reason I don't go to the nude beach any longer, although if my husband knew he was being filmed, he'd probably stand up and swing it around. Maybe it's a guy thing :p

You shoulda included a spew alert. *she sez, wiping tea off the monitor*

299 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:09:37pm

I have a rather intolerant feeling about the whole birther thing.

I have been in a few discussions/arguments about it, and when it gets to this:
Me: "He produced his birth certificate, it's over, he's American"
Birther: "No, he didn't produce a birth certificate, he produced a certificate of live birth"

...

This is the point where I begin having violent fantasies about sticking my thumbs in the eye sockets of the person to whom I am talking. I can't get past it. If that statement, which I have seen over and over in various venues, makes me want to stab people. It isn't just illogical, it's retarded.

Ok, I shouldn't have said retarded, as it is an insult to actual retarded people to compare them to these morons. (With all due apologies to actual morons out there.)

300 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:09:53pm

re: #298 allegro

You shoulda included a spew alert. *she sez, wiping tea off the monitor*

My wife never understood why I enjoyed standing naked at the window of our fifth-floor apartment facing downtown and proclaiming, "Eat this, Frankfurt!"

301 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:10:19pm

re: #286 Jaerik

What is the law going to do?

Obama is from Hawaii. Hawaii does not furnish birth certificates. My HI friends can't get theirs either. They can get a Certificate of Live Birth, but Obama already provided that and it's evidently not good enough for them.

What it could do is keep President Obama off the ballot. That could actually be a good thing, as he wouldn't have to campaign in Arizona. And Arizonans would probably be pretty pissed off that they didn't get to have a voice in choosing the president, and any Republican on the state ticket would probably get his ass handed to him by an absence of votes.

302 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:10:41pm

re: #291 reine.de.tout

I don't have my original birth certificate.
I have a certified Certificate of Live Birth.
The passport folks accept it as total proof of citizenship.

I posted and posted and posted this during earlier times here at LGF, and a lot of folks never seemed to get it.

I don't see how a state can legally keep a federally approved POTUS candidate off the ballot by a simple bill.

303 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:11:00pm

re: #256 cliffster

Every time I come to LGF, I learn something new about Jews.

Oh shit, he's onto us!!! We need to silence him soon!
/

304 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:11:25pm

re: #295 marjoriemoon

Indeed. Another disturbing comment on current culture.

One reason I don't go to the nude beach any longer, although if my husband knew he was being filmed, he'd probably stand up and swing it around. Maybe it's a guy thing :p

It is absolutely true that if a man should mistakenly enter a woman's locker room he risks death.

However, should a woman enter a man's locker room, we will likely greet you with a smile.

305 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:11:27pm

re: #302 avanti

Because SHUT UP! that's why!

306 allegro  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:11:45pm

re: #300 ralphieboy

My wife never understood why I enjoyed standing naked at the window of our fifth-floor apartment facing downtown and proclaiming, "Eat this, Frankfurt!"

Oh, you Penis-Americans and your tribalism!

307 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:11:46pm

re: #294 Obdicut

He's my favorite transvestite, and as a San Franciscan, that's saying something.

"CAKE OR DEATH?"
"Um, cake please."
"We're out of cake, we only had 3 bits, we didn't expect the rush."
"So my choice is OR DEATH? Very well...I'll have the chicken."

308 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:11:48pm

re: #284 allegro

I was discussing this exact problem with my wife the other night. I could see this as an issue that eventually makes its way to a high court.

309 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:12:00pm

re: #303 Mad Al-Jaffee

Oh shit, he's onto us!!! We need to silence him soon!
/

Well, a bagel (or other breaded product) with peanut butter will keep him quiet for some time, especially if you withold water or milk.

310 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:12:02pm

re: #302 avanti

They will need a new sign at the borders: "Welcome to Arizona. If you don't have your birth certificate with you, turn around now."

311 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:12:07pm

re: #290 McSpiff

Following this to its logical conclusion, it seems like a great way to get someone they don't like banned from the ballet.

I got banned from the ballet once. I guess my pirouettes weren't pretty enough.
/

312 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:12:26pm

re: #302 avanti

I don't see how a state can legally keep a federally approved POTUS candidate off the ballot by a simple bill.

I say we let them, then just don't allow them to send delegates to the electoral college. "Sorry Nevadans, your governor and legislature decided your votes don't count."

313 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:12:47pm

re: #310 ralphieboy

They just passed a law that the cops can arrest you if they even suspect you are an illegal immigrant and if you can't provide ID.

314 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:13:02pm

re: #306 allegro

Oh, you Penis-Americans and your tribalism!


So it's not a guy thing, it's a tribal thing...Hey, Pat! We got a new one to add to the list!!!

315 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:13:42pm

re: #313 Dreggas

They just passed a law that the cops can arrest you if they even suspect you are an illegal immigrant and if you can't provide ID.

The fourth amendment was one of the first casualties of the war on drugs. This is the logical result.

316 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:14:11pm

re: #313 Dreggas

They just passed a law that the cops can arrest you if they even suspect you are an illegal immigrant and if you can't provide ID.


Read about that one, we will all just have to have our birth certificates (Certificate of live birth not accepted) laminated and hung around our necks.

Or implanted as a microchip...

317 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:14:13pm

re: #313 Dreggas

They just passed a law that the cops can arrest you if they even suspect you are an illegal immigrant and if you can't provide ID.

Same bill being discussed re: Presidential Candidates providing birth certs...AZ Gov has five days to decide if she wants to throw that state into the laughing stock of history.

318 Jaerik  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:14:24pm

re: #299 Fozzie Bear

Birther: "No, he didn't produce a birth certificate, he produced a certificate of live birth"

My dad is a birther. My dad was born in Hawaii.

My dad claimed "anyone can get a copy of their birth certificate," and that a "Certificate of Live Birth" isn't enough. I asked if he had a copy of his. He said of course he did. I asked him to go get it. He pulled out a Certificate of Live Birth.

Somehow, with a birther, that was still not an argument-ender.

319 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:14:30pm

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

Pat should remember that they didn't use to count Micks like himself and myself as 'white', and be grateful that the world changed.

Moron.

Moron, indeed. an Irish-American and a fervent conservative Catholic...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:15:02pm

re: #318 Jaerik

My dad is a birther. My dad was born in Hawaii.

My dad claimed "anyone can get a copy of their birth certificate," and that a "Certificate of Live Birth" isn't enough. I asked if he had a copy of his. He said of course he did. I asked him to go get it. He pulled out a Certificate of Live Birth.

Somehow, with a birther, that was still not an argument-ender.

Good Lord.

321 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:15:56pm

re: #307 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"CAKE OR DEATH?"
"Um, cake please."
"We're out of cake, we only had 3 bits, we didn't expect the rush."
"So my choice is OR DEATH? Very well...I'll have the chicken."

Coordinator: Crucifixion?
Mr. Cheeky: Er, no, freedom actually.
Coordinator: What?
Mr. Cheeky: Yeah, they said I hadn't done anything and I could go and live on an island somewhere.
Coordinator: Oh I say, that's very nice. Well, off you go then.
Mr. Cheeky: No, I'm just pulling your leg, it's crucifixion really.
Coordinator: [laughing] Oh yes, very good. Well...
Mr. Cheeky: Yes I know, out of the door, one cross each, line on the left.

322 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:16:12pm

re: #311 darthstar

I got banned from the ballet once. I guess my pirouettes weren't pretty enough.
/

That and you were naked at the time.

323 jvic  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:16:24pm

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

Pat should remember that they didn't use to count Micks like himself and myself as 'white', and be grateful that the world changed.

Moron.

Indeed. Negroes, Catholics and Jews aren't 100% Americans. (Just ask a 100% American.)

Heh. My Central European refugee parents' first apartment was near the ghetto. The black kids threw rocks at me and the white ethnic kids wouldn't play with me because I was from another country.

Sometime during the early 70s, I figured I'd be 'adopted' to be white as the country's demographics changed, and so it turned out.

Go figure: Twenty years ago a couple of coworkers expected me to be a Democrat because of my ethnicity. Today people expect me to be a Democrat because of my education.

324 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:16:29pm

re: #296 darthstar

Rectum? It damn-near killed him!

BY the way and this is important. McVeigh thought there was a microchip in his buttocks also.

Now I confess, if I would have been on that committee I would have had the urge to pull out my cell-phone and tell her that "actually, as a member of the government, I could look her number up and call her rectum." I would want to make a show of dialing the number and asking if she were getting anything.

325 shiplord kirel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:16:53pm

No more need for dog whistles. This is a trumpet call to the nascent power of the Aryan masses.
These are not some kind of cherry-picked nuts who just happened to show up at a mass rally. Like Tancredo, Buchanan is a major figure on the right, desperate attempts to portray him as some kind of MSM/communard ringer notwithstanding.

326 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:17:37pm

re: #319 beekiller

Moron, indeed. an Irish-American and a fervent conservative Catholic...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

As an Irish-American, I always found this to be one of the funniest scenes in Blazing Saddles

327 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:17:51pm

ZOMG! I just checked all my family's vital records and none of us have a "Birth Certificate." We all have "Certificate of Live Birth" except for my two oldest kids, who have a "Report of Birth Abroad" issued by the State Department, who confiscated their original Teudat Leda in order to suppress the fact that they were born in Jerusalem ISRAEL.

328 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:18:02pm

Gotta go. 10 year-old just selected every single icon on the computer and:

a. made multiple copies
b. started them all

We have a family of seven, with the corresponding number of programs on that computer.

See you all later.

329 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:18:10pm

re: #289 Obdicut

Why not include the bit where you accused Ludwig of 'manfacturing outrage' in your first post?

That part really did make your post dumbass.

If you were confused by his usage of it, maybe you should have said so, instead of launching into accusations?

You know, I honestly don't think I was confused about it, or said I was confused. In fact, it was you who said I was confused. This is not the case. I still disagree that having the discussion in english means that it refers to only the usage of the word tribe by english-speakers, nor has ludwig. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth.

I disagreed with his outrage, and thought it was manufactured directly from his own misunderstanding of the word he was using. I said as much, as you pointed out. Then you said it was a dumbass post, which I obviously disagree with. Yes, I said things that he certainly didn't seem to like, but...

You know what? Calling my post stupid because you disagree with the accusation is ridiculous. I'd ask that you show me why my disagreement doesn't stand, but there isn't much point to that, for the obvious reason that you aren't ludwig, who is the only person who's words I should really be relying on to see what ludwig means.

Again, what is your angle? You certainly seem to be speculating on mine.

330 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:18:11pm

re: #326 darthstar

As an Irish-American, I always found this to be one of the funniest scenes in Blazing Saddles


[Video]

I heart that movie.

331 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:18:16pm

re: #322 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That and you were naked at the time.

Yes...that does get me in trouble from time to time.

332 Bob Levin  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:18:42pm

I remember 'thinly veiled'. This wasn't veiled, thinly or otherwise. Okay, he didn't out and out say "Aryan". But "Aryan" is so passe. All he needs is a new word for 'white' that doesn't sound so white bread, and then he hits the accelerator.

333 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:19:21pm

re: #329 Altermite

What the fuck. The word 'tribe' is English. You can't discuss it's use by non-English speakers, because they don't use English.

This is not a difficult concept.

334 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:19:21pm

re: #324 LudwigVanQuixote

BY the way and this is important. McVeigh thought there was a microchip in his buttocks also.

Now I confess, if I would have been on that committee I would have had the urge to pull out my cell-phone and tell her that "actually, as a member of the government, I could look her number up and call her rectum." I would want to make a show of dialing the number and asking if she were getting anything.

Tim McVeigh had a whole tube of Pringles up his rectum.

335 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:19:49pm

re: #333 Obdicut

it's = its.

PIMF.

336 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:20:11pm

re: #311 darthstar

I got banned from the ballet once. I guess my pirouettes weren't pretty enough.
/

Me too, but it was because I kept on trying to hand the ballerinas dollar bills.

337 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:20:21pm

re: #335 Obdicut

it's = its.

PIMF.

So you're saying it's its and it's not it's.

338 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:20:48pm

re: #318 Jaerik

My dad is a birther. My dad was born in Hawaii.

My dad claimed "anyone can get a copy of their birth certificate," and that a "Certificate of Live Birth" isn't enough. I asked if he had a copy of his. He said of course he did. I asked him to go get it. He pulled out a Certificate of Live Birth.

Somehow, with a birther, that was still not an argument-ender.

Suggest that you are not sure if you are a legal citizen now, and you both risk deportation without a birth certificate. BTW, when I applied for SS, no one could find even a certificate of live birth for me, and it was not a problem. I guess being retired military was proof enough, but both my parents were immigrants.

339 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:20:52pm

Actually, I really want to make a point of this.

McVeigh thought there was a microchip in his buttocks also. It is no coincidence that these folks are all reading the same crap and believing it. It is no coincidence that we are seeing this bill thrown as red meat to these loons.

I could comment on the crass irresponsibility of lawmakers who would do this in rder to stimulate that base, but I am certain that wih a little investigation we could find certain core conspiracy works that all of these people read and track down the ass-chip meme.

And for the record it is now the Georgia Ass Chip bill.

340 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:23:31pm

re: #325 shiplord kirel

Yep. We sit at the precipice, and when this kind of sentiment finds itself well-represented in the mainstream, we have really fallen down the rabbit hole. Everything up to now has been foreplay, and it is still possible to back away from full-on "culture war". (i.e., nuveau-Nazism)

The dog whistles are starting to become unnecessary on the fringe, and it's filtering it's way through the echo chamber to the mainstream. If the GOP doesn't come down on it, and hard, the GOP may as well consider itself a revolutionary splinter group. It's not quite too late for a "at long last, have you left no sense of decency" moment, but we are getting too close to the jump-off point for comfort.

The right needs a new W. Buckley, badly. It's time to toss the birthers, birchers, oath keepers, teabaggers, etc. out of the tent before it becomes thoroughly their tent. I won't hold my breath, because I don't see anyone with both the clout and the spine to pull it off.

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:23:36pm

re: #303 Mad Al-Jaffee

There are Jews here?

Silence them now!

-Pat Buchanan

342 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:23:44pm

re: #300 ralphieboy

re: #304 LudwigVanQuixote

lol Oh forget about color. Fat is universal.

We know that women are body conscious in ways that men simply are not. I've posted this before, but totally to my point... These are our friends so be gentle.

and I have to dash :)

343 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:24:22pm

re: #342 marjoriemoon

Oh god why.

344 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:25:53pm

re: #343 Obdicut

Oh god why.

I just wish there was a way to collapse the youtube embeds after opening them without reloading the page.

345 elizajane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:25:58pm

Arizona is entering the competition to become the Capital of Crazy. Haven't you noticed?

re: #235 avanti

Arizona going birther ?:

"PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for re-election.

The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote."

Birther.

346 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:27:01pm

re: #336 Mad Al-Jaffee

Me too, but it was because I kept on trying to hand the ballerinas dollar bills.

No. It was shoving them in their tutus that got you banned.

347 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:27:40pm

re: #345 elizajane

Arizona is entering the competition to become the Capital of Crazy. Haven't you noticed?

I can't wait to hear McCain defend this going into the primaries, and then blast it in the general.

348 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:28:06pm

Arizona is flirting with something I am sure they don't really understand. They are talking about naked, open revolution against the government.

Do these yokels know what the fuck they are messing with? An image of a "touched" child, sitting in a puddle of gasoline, playing with matches comes to mind.

349 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:28:26pm

re: #346 MandyManners

shoving them in their tutus

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

350 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:28:49pm

re: #330 beekiller

Your new avatar is much prettier than your old one.

I liked the old one too, of course.

351 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:28:57pm

re: #346 MandyManners

No. It was shoving them in their tutus that got you banned.

It's not as easy as it looks...they move pretty fast on one foot, those dancers.

352 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:29:03pm

re: #348 Fozzie Bear

Arizona is flirting with something I am sure they don't really understand. They are talking about naked, open revolution against the government.

Do these yokels know what the fuck they are messing with? An image of a "touched" child, sitting in a puddle of gasoline, playing with matches comes to mind.


Has Orly Taitz moved to AZ yet? She must feel a great sense of pride and vindication at this point...

353 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:29:31pm

re: #339 LudwigVanQuixote

I could comment on the crass irresponsibility of lawmakers who would do this in order to stimulate that base, but I am certain that wih a little investigation we could find certain core conspiracy works that all of these people read and track down the ass-chip meme.

...he says with a straight face...


//

354 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:29:38pm

re: #342 marjoriemoon

Well they get points for unabashed exuberance. If someone is overweight and cool with it and happy, they are cool in my book.

355 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:29:45pm

re: #333 Obdicut

What the fuck. The word 'tribe' is English. You can't discuss it's use by non-English speakers, because they don't use English.

This is not a difficult concept.

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that members of tribes in non-english speaking areas still describe themselves as members of a "tribe" when speaking english. I've heard an african immigrant say he was from some tribe or another, and I've heard the same word used by an Iraqi individual who spoke at a meeting I attended in high school.

Just because the word itself is english doesn't mean it is limited to people-in-america-only, or a concept that only english-speakers possess.

Even if what you were saying were true- and I don't accept that it is, people here have already posted other common usages of the word tribe in the english language. Other people. As in not me.

356 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:30:18pm

re: #347 darthstar

I can't wait to hear McCain defend this going into the primaries, and then blast it in the general.

He already has supported it in the primary.

357 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:31:04pm

re: #349 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

zing

358 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:31:06pm

re: #340 Fozzie Bear

Yep. We sit at the precipice, and when this kind of sentiment finds itself well-represented in the mainstream, we have really fallen down the rabbit hole. Everything up to now has been foreplay, and it is still possible to back away from full-on "culture war". (i.e., nuveau-Nazism)

The dog whistles are starting to become unnecessary on the fringe, and it's filtering it's way through the echo chamber to the mainstream. If the GOP doesn't come down on it, and hard, the GOP may as well consider itself a revolutionary splinter group. It's not quite too late for a "at long last, have you left no sense of decency" moment, but we are getting too close to the jump-off point for comfort.

The right needs a new W. Buckley, badly. It's time to toss the birthers, birchers, oath keepers, teabaggers, etc. out of the tent before it becomes thoroughly their tent. I won't hold my breath, because I don't see anyone with both the clout and the spine to pull it off.

The GOP can't toss these guys out. They don't run the show any more. The intellectual and political leaders of the Conservative cult are no longer GOP politicians - they are the ones pushing this sedition. The Becks, Limbaughs, Buchanans, and the collective gestalt crazy of the blogosphere. All a GOP politican today can do is distance himself and repudiate this treasonous garbage, at which point nobody except his immediate family will vote for him. Repudiating it essentially amounts to retiring from politics.

The real worry I have is that the success of the Conservative media effectively may mainstream a slightly watered-down version of this. As in, 'well, open armed rebellion might be crazy, but those Democrats are arguing the other side, so the truth must be somewhere in between. I guess the President is probably a socialist foreigner, even if he's not actually a lizard alien who's implanting chips in our buttocks.' In other words, a shift of the Overton Window large enough that the public as a whole believes in a fantasy somewhere between fact and totally crazy fantasy.

359 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:31:33pm

re: #353 Aceofwhat?

...he says with a straight face...

//

Ahh so you heard my dog whistle... I have found in dealing with wing nuts that they tend to be very sexually repressed and very homophobic. I rather enjoy pronging them in that way.

There was a great bit on some of the wingnut threads where one of them found out what tea bagging meant and they were all rather marvelously mortified. I laughed my ass off.

360 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:31:33pm

re: #351 darthstar

It's not as easy as it looks...they move pretty fast on one foot, those dancers.

*spin*

361 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:31:43pm

re: #350 wrenchwench

Your new avatar is much prettier than your old one.

I liked the old one too, of course.

Very pretty indeed! Tell her we all say so.

362 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:32:36pm

re: #350 wrenchwench

Your new avatar is much prettier than your old one.

I liked the old one too, of course.

aw, thank you. She would kill me for using it but then she can't see since she isn't a Lizard.

363 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:32:46pm

re: #348 Fozzie Bear

Arizona is flirting with something I am sure they don't really understand. They are talking about naked, open revolution against the government.

Do these yokels know what the fuck they are messing with? An image of a "touched" child, sitting in a puddle of gasoline, playing with matches comes to mind.

They could have written the bill to better frame the perceived issue. Only require the proof if the candidate is not very white, and/or has a Muslim sounding name.

364 shiplord kirel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:32:58pm

re: #340 Fozzie Bear

Yep. We sit at the precipice, and when this kind of sentiment finds itself well-represented in the mainstream, we have really fallen down the rabbit hole. Everything up to now has been foreplay, and it is still possible to back away from full-on "culture war". (i.e., nuveau-Nazism)

The dog whistles are starting to become unnecessary on the fringe, and it's filtering it's way through the echo chamber to the mainstream. If the GOP doesn't come down on it, and hard, the GOP may as well consider itself a revolutionary splinter group. It's not quite too late for a "at long last, have you left no sense of decency" moment, but we are getting too close to the jump-off point for comfort.

The right needs a new W. Buckley, badly. It's time to toss the birthers, birchers, oath keepers, teabaggers, etc. out of the tent before it becomes thoroughly their tent. I won't hold my breath, because I don't see anyone with both the clout and the spine to pull it off.

Courageous and well-stated, Fozz, but I really think it is too late. Modern conservatism as envisioned by William Buckley and Barry Goldwater is as dead as Voltaire. If I go to a tea-party rally and mention Goldwater, many participants will probably never have heard of him. Those who have are just as likely to say, "Wasn't he that gay rights, pro-abortion rino back in the day?" as anything else.
The current conservative paradigm recalls a pre-Enlightenment mentality, with a mystical devotion to God, blood, and soil taking precedence over any kind of modern view.

365 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:34:39pm

re: #355 Altermite

Just because the word itself is english doesn't mean it is limited to people-in-america-only, or a concept that only english-speakers possess.

Good thing we weren't talking about concepts, then, but the actual word. Obviously, the word tribe means roughly the same thing as clan, kin, et al.

Did you honestly think that Ludwig was claiming that only Jews and Native Americans possess those concepts? That would increase the dumb-assedness of your post by a whole lot, but it does appear to be what you're saying.


Even if what you were saying were true- and I don't accept that it is, people here have already posted other common usages of the word tribe in the english language. Other people. As in not me.

No, they haven't. Not modern usages.

366 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:34:39pm

re: #355 Altermite

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that members of tribes in non-english speaking areas still describe themselves as members of a "tribe" when speaking english. I've heard an african immigrant say he was from some tribe or another, and I've heard the same word used by an Iraqi individual who spoke at a meeting I attended in high school.

Just because the word itself is english doesn't mean it is limited to people-in-america-only, or a concept that only english-speakers possess.

Even if what you were saying were true- and I don't accept that it is, people here have already posted other common usages of the word tribe in the english language. Other people. As in not me.

Please let's not make this into a pointless debate. I am sorry I called you a dumbass. I honestly thought that you were being more than a little insensitive to Jewish folks with your comment, but I realized that you just didn't get the context at all. I get that you still don't get it, but there is no need to make this a pedantic debate. It is true, absolutely true, that in many parts of the world where there are still tribal cultures, people use the word tribe to describe themselves.

In America though, I only know of Jews and Native Americans who do so frequently.

367 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:36:05pm

re: #359 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh so you heard my dog whistle... I have found in dealing with wing nuts that they tend to be very sexually repressed and very homophobic. I rather enjoy pronging them in that way.

There was a great bit on some of the wingnut threads where one of them found out what tea bagging meant and they were all rather marvelously mortified. I laughed my ass off.

likewise-

368 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:36:56pm

I think my new neighbors are Scientologists. I helped them move in some things this morning and noticed the Hubbard books. They also have a gigantic picture of Tom Cruise from "Top Gun." in a poster frame.

I bet they hide their spacesuits in that chest we carried into their bedroom!

369 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:37:40pm

re: #356 prairiefire

He already has supported it in the primary.

Link:[Link: www.politico.com...]

370 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:40:46pm

re: #366 LudwigVanQuixote

Please let's not make this into a pointless debate. I am sorry I called you a dumbass. I honestly thought that you were being more than a little insensitive to Jewish folks with your comment, but I realized that you just didn't get the context at all. I get that you still don't get it, but there is no need to make this a pedantic debate. It is true, absolutely true, that in many parts of the world where there are still tribal cultures, people use the word tribe to describe themselves.

In America though, I only know of Jews and Native Americans who do so frequently.

No, its okay. I actually do get that jewish people do use the word tribe to describe themselves, since I attended a jewish day school (primary) for a number of years.

I just happen to have encountered other groups in america that do use it, so I couldn't understand why you were upset. I do now.

371 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:42:00pm

Oh. My. God. Pat Buchanan said something racist?

Holy shitballs! I'm going to have to reassess my feeling towards the man.

372 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:42:41pm

Okay, done.

He's still a douche bomb. Has been his whole life.

373 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:43:08pm

It's not what he said, it's not even who said it that is the problem, really.

It's the deafening silence on the national stage that follows such a comment that makes it so frightening.

374 jvic  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:43:32pm

re: #296 darthstar

re: #277 Dreggas

I'll up the crazy...

Georgia holds hearings on banning microchip implantation...hilarity ensues

Oh, that's too funny:

The Journal-Constitution reports that things started getting weird when a woman who described herself as a resident of DeKalb County told the committee: "I'm also one of the people in Georgia who has a microchip." Apparently no lawmaker took this as a warning sign, and she was allowed to continue her testimony.

"Microchips are like little beepers," the woman told the committee. "Just imagine, if you will, having a beeper in your rectum or genital area, the most sensitive area of your body. And your beeper numbers displayed on billboards throughout the city. All done without your permission."

"Ma'am, did you say you have a microchip?" state Rep. Tom Weldon (R) asked the woman.

"Yes, I do. This microchip was put in my vaginal-rectum area," she replied.

No one laughed. State Rep. Wendell Willard (R), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, asked her who had implanted the chip.

"The Department of Defense," she said.

Willard thanked the woman for her input, and the committee later approved the bill.

The Georgia legislature is being too hasty here. Technology can be used for evil--and for good.

We could restrict coitus to couples whom their microchips certify as married. (Are you reading this, Mike Huckabee? Sarah? Michele? Dr. Dobson?)

Because of their impeccable moral standards, obviously such implants would be unnecessary for members of the gummint and clergy...

375 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:46:41pm

re: #374 jvic

The Georgia legislature is being too hasty here. Technology can be used for evil--and for good.

We could restrict coitus to couples whom their microchips certify as married. (Are you reading this, Mike Huckabee? Sarah? Michele? Dr. Dobson?)

Because of their impeccable moral standards, obviously such implants would be unnecessary for members of the gummint and clergy...

note that the bill was sponsored by Reps Chip Pearson and Majority Leader Chip Rogers.

it's stunning in all its crazy glory, really...

376 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:47:45pm

re: #366 LudwigVanQuixote

Please let's not make this into a pointless debate. I am sorry I called you a dumbass. I honestly thought that you were being more than a little insensitive to Jewish folks with your comment, but I realized that you just didn't get the context at all. I get that you still don't get it, but there is no need to make this a pedantic debate. It is true, absolutely true, that in many parts of the world where there are still tribal cultures, people use the word tribe to describe themselves.

In America though, I only know of Jews and Native Americans who do so frequently.

Hindu, Dari, Pashtun, Cajun, Creole, Basque, Irish, Celtic, Jamaican, Mayan, Aztec, Dravidian, Iberian, Scot, Breton, Angle, Cornish, Okinawan, Japanese, Ainu, etc. etc. etc. -- I can point you to US websites where people take pride in their membership in said tribes, and participate in groups for same, in most metro areas you will find bars that cater to those specific peoples. Just because some tribes roughly align with "nationality" it doesn't make them less of a tribe. Jews don't own special claim to the word tribe in the US, the notion is somewhat hubristic L. indeed - it smacks of you establishing your personal identity by your tribe, which is a minor version of what Pat is doing.

377 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:47:56pm

re: #375 Aceofwhat?

note that the bill was sponsored by Reps Chip Pearson and Majority Leader Chip Rogers.

it's stunning in all its crazy glory, really...

378 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:48:05pm

re: #373 Fozzie Bear

It's not what he said, it's not even who said it that is the problem, really.

It's the deafening silence on the national stage that follows such a comment that makes it so frightening.

I think that may be because Pat's sort of turned into that old, drunken, senile Uncle that embarrasses everyone at family gatherings when he's sitting in his chair, muttering to himself, trying to play grab-ass with his nieces.

No one pays attention to him anymore. And I think, with this, he's just assured himself NO airtime from here on out. Wasn't they last outrageous thing he did, just a few weeks ago, when he said that, "Both sides were right" in the Civil War?

He's really just too far gone at this point.

379 Altermite  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:49:45pm

re: #365 Obdicut

No, they haven't. Not modern usages.

read my original response to ludwig. Specifically, click on the link.
Read the account of one individual who uses the term to describe their extended family. DaddyG had a nice post on the usage of the term by mormons. Clan is more common among people of scottish and irish descent, but tribe is used as well, especially when referring to groupings of clans. Its usage is a little odd in this case, though, since the tribes have intermixed a great deal in some clans, and really represented waves of invaders, so you get clans of multiple tribes in a few instances. It might be a new-england/newyork thing, but some people take their irish/scottish heritage fairly seriously, and will trace back their lineage.

One allegedly excellent resource on this is The Notion of Tribe, which is mentioned in wikipedia. I've only ever read a handful of excerpts from it and related works, though, so I couldn't tell you personally. I do know that it starts off by describing a number of usages of the word tribe.

380 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:50:29pm

re: #377 Fozzie Bear

they're both named chip. can't beat it with a stick.

381 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:52:28pm

re: #380 Aceofwhat?

Well, if I had either one of them implanted in my ass, I'd be mad too.

382 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:52:43pm

I'm still confused by the whole birther thing.
Don't people have to be certified in some way to run for office in the first place?

383 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:54:03pm

What the hell is Creators Syndicate?

They're the ones who "publishes" Pat's stuff for him these days. Anyone know anything about it?

[Link: www.creators.com...]

384 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:54:21pm

re: #382 webevintage

I'm still confused by the whole birther thing.
Don't people have to be certified in some way to run for office in the first place?

yep. it's every bit as ridiculous as it sounds.

sigh.

385 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:57:31pm

re: #376 Thanos

Hindu, Dari, Pashtun, Cajun, Creole, Basque, Irish, Celtic, Jamaican, Mayan, Aztec, Dravidian, Iberian, Scot, Breton, Angle, Cornish, Okinawan, Japanese, Ainu, etc. etc. etc. -- I can point you to US websites where people take pride in their membership in said tribes, and participate in groups for same, in most metro areas you will find bars that cater to those specific peoples. Just because some tribes roughly align with "nationality" it doesn't make them less of a tribe. Jews don't own special claim to the word tribe in the US, the notion is somewhat hubristic L. indeed - it smacks of you establishing your personal identity by your tribe, which is a minor version of what Pat is doing.

You are missing my point. That's OK, a lot do. Those groups you mentioned do not greet each other as tribe members. It's almost like the way that some black folks use the N word with each other.

386 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:57:39pm

re: #384 Aceofwhat?

yep. it's every bit as ridiculous as it sounds.

sigh.

Maybe my tin!foil hat is not screwed into the right frequency?

387 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:57:49pm

re: #383 Sigma_x

What the hell is Creators Syndicate?

They're the ones who "publishes" Pat's stuff for him these days. Anyone know anything about it?

[Link: www.creators.com...]

Same people who retread Michelle Malkin's stuff over at Vdare.

Here's the founder :

ichard S. Newcombe accomplished what most industry analysts considered impossible: He founded the first successful independent newspaper syndication company in two decades—only the second major independent syndicate started since the 1930s.

Newcombe established Creators Syndicate in 1987. Today, the company represents numerous comic strips, in addition to Bill O'Reilly, Robert Novak, Mark Shields, the Newsday Crossword Puzzle, Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams, Mona Charen, Susan Estrich and John Stossel, among others.

Creators Syndicate is a multimillion-dollar corporation that has been operating in the black since 1989. Dozens of new syndicates are started every year, but other than Creators Syndicate, the only successful independent syndicates founded in the past 50 years have been Universal Press Syndicate in 1970 and the Hall Syndicate more than half a century ago.

388 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:58:06pm

re: #386 webevintage

Maybe my tin!foil hat is not screwed into the right frequency?

i really recommend you move to gold foil...it protects AND it's an investment!

389 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:58:18pm

re: #373 Fozzie Bear

It's not what he said, it's not even who said it that is the problem, really.

It's the deafening silence on the national stage that follows such a comment that makes it so frightening.

Exactly!

390 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:59:23pm

re: #385 LudwigVanQuixote

Ok so how do Daris' who speak Dari not greet each other as "tribe members?" Have you perchance read about the Hmong in the US, or the Hazara, as encountered in Kite runner?

Are there like special handshakes for Jews?

391 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:00:04pm

re: #348 Fozzie Bear

Arizona is flirting with something I am sure they don't really understand. They are talking about naked, open revolution against the government.

Do these yokels know what the fuck they are messing with? An image of a "touched" child, sitting in a puddle of gasoline, playing with matches comes to mind.

Dude you are rapidly becoming one of my fav lizards.

392 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:00:43pm

re: #390 Thanos


Are there like special handshakes for Jews?

Yes as a matter of fact, we use the word TRIBE!

393 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:01:17pm

re: #392 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes as a matter of fact, we use the word TRIBE!

Get over it, so do many others. It doesn't belong to you. Nuff said.

394 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:05:04pm

re: #393 Thanos

Get over it, so do many others. It doesn't belong to you. Nuff said.

Oh for crying out loud! Why is it a difficult concept to get that Jews usually use this word and that Pat a known non-fan of ours, likely knows this and was trying to be insulting!

This is not about ownership of the word. I sometimes just don't get the need to be so pedantic here.

395 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:06:16pm

re: #393 Thanos

Get over it, so do many others. It doesn't belong to you. Nuff said.

I'd really love to see this agony drag on for another hundred posts or so, but let me intervene anyway:

I think Ludwig's point is that Jews and Native Americans use the word 'tribe' in English, customarily to refer to members of theirs. He is not saying that other people don't have tribal memberships, or don't live in tribal structures.

I think that Ludwig's point is further that Buchanan is trying to 'edge in' on Jews by using the word 'tribe'. This I disagree with. I doubt Buchanan knows what an MOT is. I think he's trying to edge in on Native Americans, and the traditional romantic image of them, and also to refer to some kind of primal European social structure.

OK. Carry on.

396 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:07:17pm

re: #91 cliffster

Is white the absence of any color, or all colors mixed together?

depends on if it's additive or subtractive!
Additive color, as in mixing light: mixing all colors together produces white
Subtractive color, as in mixing paint: mixing all colors together produces black (or something close)

397 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:08:06pm

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd really love to see this agony drag on for another hundred posts or so, but let me intervene anyway:

I think Ludwig's point is that Jews and Native Americans use the word 'tribe' in English, customarily to refer to members of theirs. He is not saying that other people don't have tribal memberships, or don't live in tribal structures.

I think that Ludwig's point is further that Buchanan is trying to 'edge in' on Jews by using the word 'tribe'. This I disagree with. I doubt Buchanan knows what an MOT is. I think he's trying to edge in on Native Americans, and the traditional romantic image of them, and also to refer to some kind of primal European social structure.

OK. Carry on.

I don't think he is trying to edge in, I think he is trying to thumb his nose at us. However, you may well be very correct in your interpretation.

398 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:09:30pm

re: #67 Renaissance_Man

It's becoming apparent that public statements such as this, and the endless pushing and prodding that Rush, Beck, and the Conservative blogosphere indulge in every day, are pushing the envelope of dissent into borderline, or not so borderline, sedition and treason.

And they're doing it for the most pathetically partisan reason of all -- they lost an election.

These same assholes spent the previous eight years saying that any criticism of the President or of the American government was the moral equivalent of siding with Al Qaeda, and that anyone who had a dissenting viewpoint hated America and wanted the terrorists to win. Now that they're out of power, they're talking about revolution. Fuck them and their blatantly cynical, hypocritical bullshit.

399 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:27:41pm

From a scientific point of view, what we are witnessing in America is the birth of a new people alright---we are the melting pot of the world. Not only do we have people from all over the world here as citizens, we look beyond clan boundaries when deciding who to make babies with.

Racial boundaries in America are melting faster than the glaciers of Montana. And why not? Since we are free to marry whom we will, and tribal and race consciousness is less acute than it is most anywhere else [going by the statistics of cross-boundary marriages and children], it's inevitable that as like calls to like, it's the stuff that matters that defines who's right for whom. Not mere race.

Buchanan is on the wrong side not just of history, but biology. Life finds a way.

400 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:29:37pm

I'd like to know how Buchanan distinguishes between "racial" and "tribal". Better yet, I'd like to see him retire.

At precisely the time when we as a people (Americans) should be debating the role of government, issues of dependency, taxation, etc, the Buchanans of the nation muddy the waters with identity politics.

401 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:42:01pm

re: #107 SpaceJesus

meh, rap has been in its "hair metal" days for over a decade now imo

There's some really great rap music being made (Saul Williams, Dalek) but it ain't ever going to make the radio. A little too political 8-)

402 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:44:56pm

Sorry, nobody owns the word tribe, other peoples besides Jews refer to themselves as such, and even greet each other as such. I gave several examples above. I'll agree to disagree, I just find it funny that some take delight in identifying as a tribe, it's just odd to me but on the other hand I've always been the odd one...

403 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:48:29pm

re: #402 Thanos

It's nothing to do with owning the word, just the frequency of its usage. Ludwig's point was that a seasoned racist like Buchanan isn't using that word lightly, and I think he's right.

404 celticdragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:51:25pm

re: #27 Charles

Wow. So this piece really resonated with you, huh?

Heh!

I think it would interesting to see what a good field anthropologist would make of Crazy ole Uncle Pat and his new tribe...

405 celticdragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:53:06pm

re: #348 Fozzie Bear

Arizona is flirting with something I am sure they don't really understand. They are talking about naked, open revolution against the government.

Do these yokels know what the fuck they are messing with? An image of a "touched" child, sitting in a puddle of gasoline, playing with matches comes to mind.

Chock full of internet win!

406 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:59:32pm

re: #403 Obdicut

It's nothing to do with owning the word, just the frequency of its usage. Ludwig's point was that a seasoned racist like Buchanan isn't using that word lightly, and I think he's right.

No, it's the new racist lingo. NOTE: In no way am I excusing pat here, I am going to outline his rationalizations. He's evil scum, but this is how that evil mind works.

Pat describes himself as "Racialist" as many of the other new racists do. The logic goes like this: They think of themselves as not hating other races but instead that they recognize the "racial differences," and the need for cultural purity and separation. He doesn't hate blacks in other words by his calculations, he just wants them to have their own separate tribal homeland -- and for whites to have their own separate homeland, where purity won't be interupted, and where multiculturalism is the single biggest enemy. This is the rationalization btw that several Kahanists use to justify allying with them - their goal is the same: Separate tribal Purist sovereign homelands.

It's the philosophy of pure apartheid, as created originally in South Africa, that's why you see such a love connection between Pat and Eurofascists. The new rationalization isn't that they hate, it's that they need to be separate and you know... pure...

407 BlackFedora  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:04:13pm

Well....

I think Pat has lost his mind at this point.

408 BlackFedora  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:05:06pm

It figures he publishes this thing on Hitler's birthday.....

409 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:06:01pm

"An embryonic people"?

Abortion now!

410 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:06:38pm

re: #407 BlackFedora

Well...

I think Pat has lost his mind at this point.

That happened a long, long time ago. He's just more blatant about it now.

411 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:07:59pm

re: #406 Thanos

I get what you're saying. It's a good point.

412 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:47:00pm

And some people wonder (and get pissed at me) for wondering why I worry that America might go the way of Yugoslavia.

413 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:57:18pm

re: #8 RogueOne

figures, I just posted two portions of the piece buchanan is commenting on. I'd suggest everyone read that piece, it's a very good, interesting, piece:

Beyond the Pale
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

I just noticed how many downdings this post received (enough to reach #2 on the bottom 10 comments) and I'm a bit surprised. Since no one took the time, other than obdicut who didn't downding me, to explain the problem they had with the article I'm left wondering if people took the time to read it or if they just looked at the title and assumed it was written by a white supremacist or racist sympathizer.

Why so much hate for the new yorker?

414 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:59:38pm

re: #413 RogueOne

You didn't present it very well, Rogue. You might have done a much better job of explaining that you though that Buchanan was completely distorting the underlying article.

415 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:47:21pm

re: #408 BlackFedora

It figures he publishes this thing on Hitler's birthday...

It figures he figures no one will notice. I'm sorry, you use the word 'ethnonationalism' as anything but an alalytical term or a cuss word, and you're off the fucking American barbecue list.

416 Querent  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:22:12pm

there's only one thing to be said about such a development, and that's "revolting".

(In more ways than one.)

417 Querent  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:28:20pm

re: #57 RogueOne

same. when I think white culture I think Punk.

cue the Tubes, "White Punks on Dope"?

418 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:00:05am

re: #126 Vambo

I don't believe it started there. The Nuggets compilation from the '60s has some bands that do absolutely spot-on impersonations (rip offs!) of Bob Dylan, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, etc. It's always been like that -- something gets popular, the industry tries to duplicate the success. It just seems like they're not even trying anymore, or trying in the wrong way - the biggest selling acts of the moment are Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber. Apparently, the RIAA doesn't believe that people over the age of 14 listen to music.

We listen, but we don't buy the garbage the recording industry is trying to sell us. The teenage market has always been the one most likely to buy.

Personally, I listen to music a lot. It's music I've owned for a long time because the new stuff is crap IMO, just as the music I love was considered crap by those of my parents' generation.

419 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:19:06am

re: #247 marjoriemoon

It's really not that well known though as a phrase and I think most people, if you use the word "tribe" think Native American not Jew.

I live in a huge, giant city with lots and lots of Jews and it's not common here.

Among Jews, "tribe" means Jews. "Member of The Tribe" means a fellow Jew, as does "MOT". Some Jews use the phrase for shock value, as non-Jews use "tribe" differently.

I learned the phrase from my parents, one born and raised in NYC and the other raised there from age 4. The term isn't nearly as popular here in the Midwest.

420 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:32:06am

re: #382 webevintage

I'm still confused by the whole birther thing.
Don't people have to be certified in some way to run for office in the first place?

Certifiable.

421 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:57:19pm

At the start of the last century there was a wave of hatred against newcomers. A lot of hereditary societies were formed back then. You would join to prove your American blood and the glory of your ancestor(s). You were then "better" that the slobs who came across the pond in the preceding few decades. Hereditary societies carry a certain snob appeal through the concept of genealogy.

The Catholic Church was fanatically right wing and conservative. I can remember growing up in Charleston SC and the Catholics just hated blacks and would write these Letters to the Editor defying integration and so on.

I think at turns of the century people get really right wing.

422 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:02:22pm

Buchanan is within the noble tradition of the hate-filled Catholic who thinks he is superior and looks down on his fellow man. I grew up with people like him. Hard to believe but there is now a wide stream of them, belonging to the GOP and they truly hate the Dems for their abortion stance.

423 right_wing2  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:39:26pm

I'm disgusted that any conservative organization hasn't thrown Buchanan under the proverbial bus.

424 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:42:30pm

re: #398 Lidane

they are trying to sow chaos to show that Dems cannot govern


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