An AP news alert just popped up on my iPhone, saying that BP has made a deal with the White House to set up a $20 billion fund for victims of the Gulf oil spill.
UPDATE at 6/16/10 10:06:27 am:
More details from Jake Tapper on Twitter:
BP agrees on preliminary basis to put $20 Bil in escrow account, claims to be administered by Ken Feinberg, sources tell abc news
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:20:08am |
Perhaps an adequate deposit. A good start.
The question moves to who will be that 3rd party?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:21:21am |
re: #3 abolitionist
I heard that some guy wants his life back.
He should not get it back until the Gulf of Mexico gets its wildlife back
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OldnGrumpy Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:22:41am |
Only $20B?
A mere drop in the ocean.
Was that in poor taste….sorry
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:23:27am |
My question is what percentage of BP’s current monetary value is $20 billion?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:23:47am |
re: #5 OldnGrumpy
Only $20B?
A mere drop in the ocean.
Was that in poor taste…sorry
no, 20b is an insult imo….taken to the edge of the extreme damage, the number is laughable
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:24:07am |
re: #6 MrSilverDragon
My question is what percentage of BP’s current monetary value is $20 billion?
That’s what I’m wondering… if that’s not close enough to break them, then it’s too little.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:25:34am |
re: #1 Rightwingconspirator
Perhaps an adequate deposit. A good start.
The question moves to who will be that 3rd party?
Can you say… “Obama creates 60 thousand new jobs, unemployment rate goes down .003 percent”
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:25:37am |
I’m sufferinf mental anguish from the spill. Do I get some money from them?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:26:37am |
re: #1 Rightwingconspirator
Perhaps an adequate deposit. A good start.
The question moves to who will be that 3rd party?
And who will watch that 3rd party watchman. Because I can see how politicians could use the the 3rd party’s “administrative fees” for a donation kickback. I’m not accusing Obama, but its something to watch whenever politics is this close to money changing hands.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:26:37am |
re: #1 Rightwingconspirator
Perhaps an adequate deposit. A good start.
The question moves to who will be that 3rd party?
And how much will they charge?
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Mich-again Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:26:51am |
A good start. The key enabler is that BP will need to stay in business to generate the income to pay off the claims. For some perspective, the tobacco settlement between cigarette makers and the Feds was over $200 billion over 25 years.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:27:54am |
re: #4 ralphieboy
He should not get it back until the Gulf of Mexico gets its wildlife back
And I would say he shouldn’t get it back until the families of the 11 people killed have some semblance of normal again. Which will probably be never.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:28:29am |
re: #8 Walter L. Newton
That’s what I’m wondering… if that’s not close enough to break them, then it’s too little.
You don’t want to break them. If you do and they go bankrupt, nobody get any money.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:28:52am |
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Mich-again Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:28:55am |
re: #12 reine.de.tout
And how much will they charge?
Hopefully the process is better than the biggest boondoggle in environmental law, the so-called Superfund. Most the Superfund went to lawyers, only a fraction actually went into clean ups.
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Mich-again Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:29:52am |
re: #8 Walter L. Newton
That’s what I’m wondering… if that’s not close enough to break them, then it’s too little.
Good luck getting golden eggs from a dead goose.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:30:18am |
re: #15 NJDhockeyfan
You don’t want to break them. If you do and they go bankrupt, nobody get any money.
Nationalize them. Then… bingo… unlimited funds…
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:30:38am |
From May 2nd!
(Reuters) - The total bill related to the oil spill drifting toward Louisiana from a well operated by BP Plc in the Gulf of Mexico, could exceed $14 billion, analysts said.
It must have doubled up by now.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:30:40am |
Let’s not forget Haliburtons responsibility, or the other American companies that helped build the platform.
Love it how the President constantly called BP by their old name “British Petrolium”. Way to diminish responsibility. And how very convenient, considering BP emply twice as many in the US as in the UK, a majority of shareholders are American, and half of the boardmembers are American.
Saying that, BP have acted like a bunch of assholes.
I have a lot of grief to pass around. But at least its a start.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:30:56am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:31:34am |
re: #19 Walter L. Newton
Nationalize them. Then… bingo… unlimited funds…
Like some people may have seen me comment on yesterday, I listened to nothing but liberal talk radio yesterday just to hear what I could before the speech… this was one of the more popular suggestions… nationalize them…
Anyone agree? Evidently there are Americans who do.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:32:30am |
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:33:43am |
The Exxon Valdez compensation was reduced to 500 Million by the Supreme Court remember.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:33:57am |
re: #23 Walter L. Newton
Like some people may have seen me comment on yesterday, I listened to nothing but liberal talk radio yesterday just to hear what I could before the speech… this was one of the more popular suggestions… nationalize them…
Anyone agree? Evidently there are Americans who do.
I am sure there are. But we defacto nationalized our banks and auto industry to save them from going under after the economic collapse.
We will probably just wind up doing the same thing under a different name.
According to the figures, BP is putting up about one-eleventh of its capitalization or one year#s profits to cover the spill so far.
But i expect the total costs to be at anything up to times that much. Will they be able to cover that without going belly-up? I doubt it.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:34:25am |
Nationalise BP?
Well, you would have to buy all their shares first, or its no different from Cuba.
Mind, at the rate their value is falling, maybe they could get them on the cheap.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:34:57am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:35:24am |
re: #25 Stanley Sea
The Exxon Valdez compensation was reduced to 500 Million by the Supreme Court remember.
Which amounts to a de-facto subsidy of the oil industry: by limiting liability, we lower insurance costs, which would otherwise make it provibitively expensive.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:36:03am |
re: #23 Walter L. Newton
Like some people may have seen me comment on yesterday, I listened to nothing but liberal talk radio yesterday just to hear what I could before the speech… this was one of the more popular suggestions… nationalize them…
Anyone agree? Evidently there are Americans who do.
On her satellite radio show on Monday, Rosie O’Donnell accused BP of “willful homicide, willful mass murder” and demanded BP be nationalized immediately: “I say seize their assets. Right now. Seize their assets today. Take over the [company]. I don’t care [how]. Issue an executive order…Call it socialism, call it communism, call it anything you want. Let’s watch Rush Limbaugh explode on TV…Seize the assets. Take over BP.”
From there, she ripped on piggish Americans in general: “We’re all culpable in America. We all fill up our gas-guzzler cars. We all don’t have solar power on our window[s]. We have been sold the drugs by the dealer, which is our own government, of oil, and we’ve been shootin’ up and we’re addicted to it…It’s making all of us sick, just as if we were shootin’ heroin…This time, we’ve screwed with Mother Earth. We broke the freakin’ womb of Mother Earth…We split it open, and she’s hemorrhaging.”
O’Donnell’s executive producer Janette Barber offered a solution: “Let’s pay $20 a gallon rather than kill thousands of innocent people, ‘cause that’s what we’re talking about.”
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HAL2010 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:36:13am |
re: #29 ralphieboy
Which amounts to a de-facto subsidy of the oil industry: by limiting liability, we lower insurance costs, which would otherwise make it provibitively expensive.
We do that to Nuclear Power as well, and with good reason - otherwise there would be no investment.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:37:25am |
re: #31 HAL2010
We do that to Nuclear Power as well, and with good reason - otherwise there would be no investment.
Which means that we subsidize it. So much for the illusion of the Free Market when it comes to energy production.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:38:59am |
re: #28 Rightwingconspirator
re: #12 reine.de.tout
Quite so. We’ll need a new “microscope” for this one. Personally I want it to be Louisianans and Floridians. Maybe not fishermen (heh) but people from the area.
Oh, it’ll be a company with the expertise and infrastructure to review and pay claims, I’m sure. Which is fine, and they may hire locals to do some of the actual work, for as long as it lasts.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:39:00am |
re: #32 ralphieboy
What illusion? Gone since we created Public Utilities.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:39:01am |
re: #27 HAL2010
Nationalise BP?
Well, you would have to buy all their shares first, or its no different from Cuba.
Mind, at the rate their value is falling, maybe they could get them on the cheap.
And that would be a problem?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:39:08am |
re: #28 Rightwingconspirator
re: #12 reine.de.tout
Quite so. We’ll need a new “microscope” for this one. Personally I want it to be Louisianans and Floridians. Maybe not fishermen (heh) but people from the area.
Better Floridians with maybe one person from Louisiana. Louisiana is still getting its corruption problems under control (Jindal has done fairly well on this score), so I’d rather not have that state provide the watchdogs.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:39:27am |
re: #32 ralphieboy
Which means that we subsidize it. So much for the illusion of the Free Market when it comes to energy production.
I have never claimed there is an absolute free market on energy, nor do I know anyone who has. I would argue that taxes are a direct challenge to the free market, so it’s not like the energy sector is an isolated case.
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:39:53am |
$20 billion is a down payment on the damage, and will in no way be sufficient to compensate all those damaged by the oil spill. A 3d party administrator will probably be along the lines of the victim compensation fund set up in the aftermath of 9/11 to handle claims by victims of the attacks and run by Kenneth Feinberg.
He was again called on to administer the sick workers fund (once that gets approved by the members of the class). He also got called on to handle executive compensation following the Wall Street meltdown and ensuing hot air from Congress over executive pay.
Expect that Feinberg will be called on here as well. He’s real good at what he does and is generally seen as reasonable and fair in determining awards.
But to put the $20 billion in perspective, $20 billion is the amount that was thrown around in the days after 9/11 to pay for the rebuilding efforts. That severely underestimated the costs there too.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:40:02am |
$20 billion? It’s a good start, but it’s still a long way from covering all the costs.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:40:56am |
re: #35 Walter L. Newton
I don’t believe governments should run companies as a principle.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:40:58am |
The latest troll technique seems to be to go to older threads and leave stink bombs at the end, hoping to get the last word. If you see me leaving the last comment on a bunch of threads, this is why. I’ve blocked two of these jerks already today.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:42:18am |
re: #38 lawhawk
I agree — the cost is almost certainly going to be well over $100B.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:43:01am |
re: #41 Charles
The latest troll technique seems to be to go to older threads and leave stink bombs at the end, hoping to get the last word. If you see me leaving the last comment on a bunch of threads, this is why. I’ve blocked two of these jerks already today.
Thank you for that. Troll BQ for lunch!
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HAL2010 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:43:09am |
re: #41 Charles
The latest troll technique seems to be to go to older threads and leave stink bombs at the end, hoping to get the last word. If you see me leaving the last comment on a bunch of threads, this is why. I’ve blocked two of these jerks already today.
On a scale of trolling, that is not even on the radar. The trolls seem to be getting less creative.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:43:14am |
re: #40 HAL2010
I don’t believe governments should run companies as a principle.
That much I do agree on, the government is at most to regulate the market to ensure that it functions for everyone’s benefit, not just for those who dominate and control it.
Rosie O’D is spewing the left-wing end of the nutjob spectrum, on the other hand we have Rush” “nature will take care of the spill” Limbaugh.
Both can be discounted beyond their entertainment potential.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:43:21am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:44:57am |
re: #42 Charles
I agree — the cost is almost certainly going to be well over $100B.
So if BP is worth around $220 billion in assets, which half do they get rid of, the B or the P?
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HAL2010 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:45:16am |
re: #45 ralphieboy
That much I do agree on, the government is at most to regulate the market to ensure that it functions for everyone’s benefit, not just for those who dominate and control it.
Rosie O’D is spewing the left-wing end of the nutjob spectrum, on the other hand we have Rush” “nature will take care of the spill” Limbaugh.
Both can be discounted beyond their entertainment potential.
Well, I think anyone of the fucking-nuts-o-meter and their opinions can be disregarded without second thought. That would include both of the by the way.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:45:35am |
re: #44 HAL2010
On a scale of trolling, that is not even on the radar. The trolls seem to be getting less creative.
It’s another tactic designed to curry favor with the Stalkers and other LGF haters. The troll leaves its turd, then goes back where it came from and announces how it “bravely posted the troof in the land of evil known as LFG”.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:46:54am |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
It’s another tactic designed to curry favor with the Stalkers and other LGF haters. The troll leaves its turd, then goes back where it came from and announces how it “bravely posted the troof in the land of evil known as LFG”.
Pah!
I remember when trolling left permanent scars and untold misery on their victims. This is just lame.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:47:22am |
re: #1 Rightwingconspirator
Perhaps an adequate deposit. A good start.
The question moves to who will be that 3rd party?
I’ll do it. And I promise not to skim off the top. Just a 0.5% processing and handling fee, which we can bill to BP…okay, because it’s an emergency, I’ll lower my fee to just 0.1%, but I’ll have to fire my extra secretary. Oh, and I need that money up front, as I have to pay for some unexpected car repairs.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:47:37am |
re: #38 lawhawk
$20 billion is a down payment on the damage, and will in no way be sufficient to compensate all those damaged by the oil spill. A 3d party administrator will probably be along the lines of the victim compensation fund set up in the aftermath of 9/11 to handle claims by victims of the attacks and run by Kenneth Feinberg.
He was again called on to administer the sick workers fund (once that gets approved by the members of the class). He also got called on to handle executive compensation following the Wall Street meltdown and ensuing hot air from Congress over executive pay.
Expect that Feinberg will be called on here as well. He’s real good at what he does and is generally seen as reasonable and fair in determining awards.
But to put the $20 billion in perspective, $20 billion is the amount that was thrown around in the days after 9/11 to pay for the rebuilding efforts. That severely underestimated the costs there too.
I’ve posted this before, but here it is again: impact on Louisiana alone.
The moratorium is a direct result of the incident.
The ban could cost Louisianans more than 10,000 jobs within a few months;
The state risks losing more than 20,000 existing and potential new jobs during a 12 to 18 month period, if the federal panel takes longer than six months to do their reviews and write their reports;
…
The Louisiana Department of Natural Resources estimates that an average of two supply boats per rig work every day with rates of $15,000 to $30,000 a boat, which means that suspension of drilling activity will result in a nearly $1 million loss per day in supply boat rental income. Each drilling rig job supports four other jobs in local communities.
Oil and gas production directly and indirectly supported $12.7 billion in household earnings in the state, representing 15.4 percent of total Louisiana household earnings in 2005;
The industry supported, directly and indirectly, more than 320,000 jobs and $70.2 billion in business sale in Louisiana in 2005
For the 2006 fiscal year, the oil and gas industry paid more than 14 percent of total state taxes, licenses and fees collected by the state of Louisiana;
This revenue amounts to more than $1.4 billion - a substantial portion of Louisiana’s budget;
Not all of this can be claimed, of course, so the state will have to eat losses that cannot be claimed.
Even so, $20 billion will come nowhere close to “making up” the losses here, much less losses in other states.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:48:06am |
re: #41 Charles
The latest troll technique seems to be to go to older threads and leave stink bombs at the end, hoping to get the last word. If you see me leaving the last comment on a bunch of threads, this is why. I’ve blocked two of these jerks already today.
I am surprised that it is new to LGF. A certain group of trolls/stalkers (who shall remain nameless) used that technique for years at other blogs. That technique earned them the nickname bottom feeders.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:48:11am |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
It’s another tactic designed to curry favor with the Stalkers and other LGF haters. The troll leaves its turd, then goes back where it came from and announces how it “bravely posted the troof in the land of evil known as LFG”.
“ITS ONE OF THOSE FLAMING BAGS AGAIN!”
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:53:10am |
re: #51 HAL2010
Pah!
I remember when trolling left permanent scars and untold misery on their victims. This is just lame.
I call it “Blogosphere ‘Monkey’ Warfare”. The haters don’t have the ability to hurt Charles, so they sit like a chorus of Howler Monkeys, screaming about the latest post from Charles and flinging poo. It’s annoying and requires some cleanup, but its not actually dangerous.
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tnguitarist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:53:18am |
re: #41 Charles
The latest troll technique seems to be to go to older threads and leave stink bombs at the end, hoping to get the last word. If you see me leaving the last comment on a bunch of threads, this is why. I’ve blocked two of these jerks already today.
Could you close the thread after a certain amount of time?
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HAL2010 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:55:54am |
re: #56 Dark_Falcon
I call it “Blogosphere ‘Monkey’ Warfare”. The haters don’t have the ability to hurt Charles, so they sit like a chorus of Howler Monkeys, screaming about the latest post from Charles and flinging poo. It’s annoying and requires some cleanup, but its not actually dangerous.
You’d think that they have better things to do with their time, like walking out into the ocean and never looking back.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:56:02am |
re: #57 tnguitarist
Could you close the thread after a certain amount of time?
Why should one have to, save to keep it free from troll droppings?
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:56:30am |
re: #57 tnguitarist
Could you close the thread after a certain amount of time?
That would allow the trolls to claim some sort of victory, the best way to deal with trolls is to vote them down, flag them and let Stinky nail them with the ban hammer. And rule #1, never ever quote a troll!
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Randall Gross Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:56:41am |
Found an actual article on this here
WASHINGTON — BP will set aside $20 billion to pay the victims of the massive oil spill in the Gulf, senior administration officials said Wednesday, a move made under pressure by the White House as the company copes with causing the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history.
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:57:01am |
re: #38 lawhawk
Turns out that I was right to mention Feinberg - his name comes up in the fund operation here.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:57:54am |
re: #1 Rightwingconspirator
Perhaps an adequate deposit. A good start.
The question moves to who will be that 3rd party?
I guess Robert Reich is out:
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Randall Gross Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:59:05am |
You might also consider closing comments on old posts sooner… either it has to be the current “most recent 5” or posted today, or something.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:59:20am |
re: #60 Reginald Perrin
That would allow the trolls to claim some sort of victory, the best way to deal with trolls is to vote them down, flag them and let Stinky nail them with the ban hammer. And rule #1, never ever quote a troll!
They’ll claim victory regardless. Snork will talk about how the “washed-up Jazz Guitarist can’t even keep control of his own blog”. Then the trolls will join together for the midday hate-spew. Pathetic.
/waves to the Stalkers
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:59:47am |
re: #63 Decatur Deb
I guess Robert Reich is out:
[Link: crooksandliars.com…]
I know… How about Arthur Anderson?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:00:17am |
I hate it when stalker talk rogers the thread…why give them the attention?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:00:44am |
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:01:31am |
re: #63 Decatur Deb
See above - it’s probably going to be Kenneth Feinberg.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:01:45am |
re: #59 ralphieboy
Why should one have to, save to keep it free from troll droppings?
Dropping a trollish comment on an old (and mostly dead) thread doesn’t seem like that big a deal to me. I don’t go back more than a few threads, and usually only to see if someone might have responded to me and I missed it.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:02:53am |
re: #70 darthstar
Dropping a trollish comment on an old (and mostly dead) thread doesn’t seem like that big a deal to me. I don’t go back more than a few threads, and usually only to see if someone might have responded to me and I missed it.
Well, it’s kind of a big deal when the comment calls for machine gunning people crossing the border illegally.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:03:14am |
re: #65 Dark_Falcon
They’ll claim victory regardless. Snork will talk about how the “washed-up Jazz Guitarist can’t even keep control of his own blog”. Then the trolls will join together for the midday hate-spew. Pathetic.
/waves to the Stalkers
So long as they’re engaged, they’re winning. Ignore them is my philosophy. Don’t feed the trolls and they’ll get bored eventually and leave.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:04:45am |
re: #71 Charles
Well, it’s kind of a big deal when the comment calls for machine gunning people crossing the border illegally.
probably a candidate for the House
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:04:52am |
re: #71 Charles
Well, it’s kind of a big deal when the comment calls for machine gunning people crossing the border illegally.
Good point. Delete those fuckers. And I think a three day expiration on posting comments in threads could reduce the amount of checking you have to do.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:05:01am |
re: #71 Charles
Well, it’s kind of a big deal when the comment calls for machine gunning people crossing the border illegally.
There was a questionable one at True/Slant, but I thought you were moderating-before-posting the comments over there, so I didn’t report it. Same article.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:05:26am |
re: #73 albusteve
probably a candidate for the House
In New Mexico…isn’t that where Land Mine guy is from?
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:05:54am |
re: #65 Dark_Falcon
They’ll claim victory regardless.
It’s not as if anyone reads their hate site, who cares if they claim victory. Speaking of Snork, Larry Reisinger, why are you afraid to debate me on climate change? I know you are reading this, are you afraid that Ludwig may lend me a hand , thus giving me an unfair advantage?
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Randall Gross Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:06:32am |
It’s a bummer but I’m going to be on the road tonight during Matthew’s “Rise of the New Right” documentary on tea parties, I think Mark Potok from SPLC is going to be one of the people interviewed in it.
Since Potok’s in it I expect it to be more about the Euro-tribalist “Nieuw Recht” types, Birchers, Birthers, neoconfederates, and their Ilk than any GOP Renaissance….
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:07:03am |
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fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:10:51am |
BP changed their name from British Petroleum 10 years ago. I think it’s very bad taste to purposely use the old name.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:10:51am |
re: #75 wrenchwench
There was a questionable one at True/Slant, but I thought you were moderating-before-posting the comments over there, so I didn’t report it. Same article.
I’m not moderating TrueSlant comments, so feel free to report anything that I should see over there.
My anti-Israel buddy Justin St. Giles Payne is carrying his grudge into the EyeTV review thread — and that complete raving asshole Mark Adomanis is going to other TrueSlant blogs and posting outrageous smears against me.
SSDD.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:12:25am |
re: #80 fiveonefive
BP changed their name from British Petroleum 10 years ago. I think it’s very bad taste to purposely use the old name.
Why?
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:12:31am |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:12:34am |
re: #81 Charles
The flack is heaviest, when you’re right over the target.
Silly haters.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:12:41am |
re: #80 fiveonefive
BP changed their name from British Petroleum 10 years ago. I think it’s very bad taste to purposely use the old name.
I did not know that. Since you informed me so courteously, I’ve edited the post to use the approved name.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:14:35am |
Gov Haley Barbour (R) Is Concerned That Escrow Account Will Cut Into BP’s Profits: ‘It Bothers Me’
BARBOUR: If BP is the responsible party under the law, they’re to pay for everything. I do worry that this idea of making them make a huge escrow fund is going to make it less likely that they’ll pay for everything. They need their capital to drill wells. They need their capital to produce income. … But this escrow bothers me that it’s going to make them less able to pay us what they owe us. And that concerns me. … [I]t bothers me to talk about causing an escrow to be made, which will — which makes it less likely that they’ll make the income that they need to pay us.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:14:35am |
re: #84 Floral Giraffe
The flack is heaviest, when you’re right over the target.
Silly haters.
Over Macho Grande?
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:16:09am |
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:16:10am |
Twenty billion’s a good start, and shouldn’t be a problem for them, since their profit last year was roughly ten times that.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:17:02am |
re: #80 fiveonefive
BP changed their name from British Petroleum 10 years ago. I think it’s very bad taste to purposely use the old name.
They should have gone for “Kitties and Bunnies Energy”.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:17:05am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:17:57am |
re: #80 fiveonefive
BP changed their name from British Petroleum 10 years ago. I think it’s very bad taste to purposely use the old name.
They changed their name to a pair of letters. I think it’s fair to say that those letters still stand for the same thing they did 10 years ago.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:18:04am |
I’m still not sure why using “British Petroleum” is in bad taste. What is wrong with either word?
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:18:09am |
re: #86 Reginald Perrin
I’m not worried about their escrow cutting into profits. But I do agree with T. Boone Pickens, who said that Obama and the WH should quit the verbal berating and let them work on the spill first. We don’t need the punishment and inquisition before the restitution…. there’ll be plenty of time for Congressional inquiries and charges. Let them work on it without worrying about their stupid image.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:18:38am |
re: #93 EmmmieG
I’m still not sure why using “British Petroleum” is in bad taste. What is wrong with either word?
I’m hereby changing my name here to FB.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:18:51am |
re: #77 Reginald Perrin
It’s not as if anyone reads their hate site, who cares if they claim victory. Speaking of Snork, Larry Reisinger, why are you afraid to debate me on climate change? I know you are reading this, are you afraid that Ludwig may lend me a hand , thus giving me an unfair advantage?
Check your email.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:19:20am |
re: #80 fiveonefive
Why? Is it akin to using the president’s entire name?/
Or is it a cultural thing, as in ’ say Asian, not Oriental ’ ?
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:19:25am |
I’m glad to hear that the fund will be administered by Feinberg. It crossed my mind yesterday that he would be a good choice.
BTW, I was thinking this was an open ended fund at that the 20 billion is just the beginning.
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Fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:19:52am |
re: #82 EmmmieG
Why?
Because it’s not the name of the company. And calling it by the ten year old incorrect name “British Petroleum” is kind of nationalistic and general bad taste IMO.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:20:08am |
Do you know what a child’s middle name is for? It’s so they know when they are really in trouble.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:20:17am |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:20:29am |
re: #93 EmmmieG
I’m still not sure why using “British Petroleum” is in bad taste. What is wrong with either word?
nothing at all…a bunch of phony insult
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:20:30am |
re: #94 tradewind
I’m not worried about their escrow cutting into profits. But I do agree with T. Boone Pickens, who said that Obama and the WH should quit the verbal berating and let them work on the spill first. We don’t need the punishment and inquisition before the restitution… there’ll be plenty of time for Congressional inquiries and charges. Let them work on it without worrying about their stupid image.
Agreed.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:20:43am |
re: #99 Fiveonefive
Because it’s not the name of the company. And calling it by the ten year old incorrect name “British Petroleum” is kind of nationalistic and general bad taste IMO.
Bullshit. I just told you I was not aware the name had been changed. But go ahead and continue being dreadfully offended if you like.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:20:56am |
re: #99 Fiveonefive
Because it’s not the name of the company. And calling it by the ten year old incorrect name “British Petroleum” is kind of nationalistic and general bad taste IMO.
Calling it BP because the company wants to greenwash out any reference to oil in their name is kind of stupid, imo. They are a petroleum company.
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:21:26am |
re: #99 Fiveonefive
Because it’s not the name of the company. And calling it by the ten year old incorrect name “British Petroleum” is kind of nationalistic and general bad taste IMO.
*shrug* I think changing a name to improve your image is something of a cop-out in the first place. I’m looking at you, KFC…
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:21:30am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:21:39am |
re: #104 Charles
Bullshit. I just told you I was not aware the name had been changed. But go ahead and continue being dreadfully offended if you like.
As we all know, KFC does not stand for “Kentucky Fried Chicken”
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:21:53am |
re: #105 Fozzie Bear
Calling it BP because the company wants to greenwash out any reference to oil in their name is kind of stupid, imo. They are a petroleum company.
And judging from their shills’ accents, they’re sort of British.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:21:54am |
re: #99 Fiveonefive
Because it’s not the name of the company. And calling it by the ten year old incorrect name “British Petroleum” is kind of nationalistic and general bad taste IMO.
I am sure that a lot of folks are unaware of the name change (I was not), had the company wanted to dissociate itself from “British Petroleum” entirely they would have taken on a new name entirely, like “Pommoil”
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:22:19am |
re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They had two hundred billion in profit?
How do I get me some of that?
Move to Louisiana, open a business, then close it again real fast.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:22:19am |
re: #94 tradewind
I’m not worried about their escrow cutting into profits. But I do agree with T. Boone Pickens, who said that Obama and the WH should quit the verbal berating and let them work on the spill first. We don’t need the punishment and inquisition before the restitution… there’ll be plenty of time for Congressional inquiries and charges. Let them work on it without worrying about their stupid image.
Oh, but we do.
Have you not heard the cries for the President to get tough and angry to show he feel others pain to be our great father figure who makes all the bad stuff go away?
I think our National Emo Heart Attack needs to stop.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:22:32am |
re: #106 JasonA
*shrug* I think changing a name to improve your image is something of a cop-out in the first place. I’m looking at you, KFC…
What? You don’t like Kitchen Fresh Chicken?
/
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:22:43am |
re: #92 Fozzie Bear
It’s a branding thing - particularly after the merger/takeover of Amoco in 1998. They phased out the Amoco brands in favor of the BP brand name. They wanted to show themselves as being cleaner - so they touted BP as “Beyond Petroleum”. It was formally renamed in 2001 as BP following additional mergers and acquisitions.
Well, the petroleum is now beyond their oil wells, rigs, and containment. It’s all over the place. Not quite the beyond petroleum they were hoping for.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:23:05am |
There’s nothing wrong with Britain, well, I mean, not in a general sense. And they are in the business of petroleum, not raising petunias or making pillows or selling patchwork.
It’s like KFC. Nothing wrong with Kentucky, or chicken, and frankly they pressure cook the chicken anyway, but Kentucky Pressured Cooked Chicken didn’t quite work.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:23:30am |
re: #90 Decatur Deb
Here’s how they come out of this smelling like a rose.//
Let the word slip that Jacques Cousteau’s institute has discovered that the spill will actually act like growth hormone for the coral reefs.
The pony!!
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:23:40am |
re: #91 albusteve
why are you interested?
Well, you have to vote for somebody, and I honestly don’t see you casting a Democratic ballot, based on what you say here. Or maybe you don’t vote at all, which is also your right.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:24:02am |
re: #112 webevintage
Oh, but we do.
Have you not heard the cries for the President to get tough and angry to show he feel others pain to be our great father figure who makes all the bad stuff go away?I think our National Emo Heart Attack needs to stop.
Agreed!
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:24:17am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:24:19am |
Honestly, using the term “British Petroleum” isn’t nationalistic, or an other -istic. It is what the company was called before it reduced it’s name to a vapid acronym.
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Fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:24:23am |
re: #104 Charles
Bullshit. I just told you I was not aware the name had been changed. But go ahead and continue being dreadfully offended if you like.
I wasn’t talking to you in that post. I’m willing to believe you didn’t know the name was changed. I’m less willing to give a pass on Obama and others who have tried to make this a USA vs. Britain issue.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:24:47am |
personally I’ll call Brit Petro anything I please…screw you if you don’t like it
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:25:04am |
They could use a symbol. I think that guy that sometime sings Purple Rain and lives in Minnesota has a used one he could sell them.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:25:06am |
re: #122 Fiveonefive
I wasn’t talking to you in that post. I’m willing to believe you didn’t know the name was changed. I’m less willing to give a pass on Obama and others who have tried to make this a USA vs. Britain issue.
Quote here, with a source, where Obama has tried to make this a nationalistic issue.
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McSpiff Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:25:25am |
re: #123 albusteve
personally I’ll call Brit Petro anything I please…screw you if you don’t like it
Yes Grandpa, we know you’re still bitter about them burning down the Whitehouse.
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:25:43am |
re: #89 tradewind
Gross profit was over $200 billion, but net income was $20 billion for tax year 2009.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:25:57am |
re: #80 fiveonefive
Was that a name change a more of a reflection of non British management/ownership?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:25:58am |
re: #124 EmmmieG
They could use a symbol. I think that guy that sometime sings Purple Rain and lives in Minnesota has a used one he could sell them.
How about “The Petroleum Company Formerly Known as British”?
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:26:20am |
re: #114 lawhawk
I remember when I was a little kid, seeing those Esso signs. I still think that sounds better than Exxon. But when you think of it, it’s a good thing BP’s no longer Gulf Oil.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:26:33am |
re: #99 Fiveonefive
I’ve heard people complaining that the President was using the old name “British Petroleum” to impugn the Isles.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:27:04am |
re: #120 ralphieboy
Whoops, my bad…. I read 200 bill in profits somewhere.
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:27:14am |
re: #125 Fozzie Bear
Quote here, with a source, where Obama has tried to make this a nationalistic issue.
You know, if we were talking about Shell and he went out of his way to call it Royal Dutch Shell, I could see the point. But we’re not, so I don’t. I’ve known it as British Petroleum all my life.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:27:23am |
Really? So using the full name that the acronym still ostensibly stands for is an anti-British thing? Thats a huge stretch.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:27:24am |
re: #126 McSpiff
Yes Grandpa, we know you’re still bitter about them burning down the Whitehouse.
Don’t get me started on the Corn Laws.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:27:32am |
re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Obama ringing the jingo bells?//
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Kragar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:27:40am |
re: #112 webevintage
Oh, but we do.
Have you not heard the cries for the President to get tough and angry to show he feel others pain to be our great father figure who makes all the bad stuff go away?I think our National Emo Heart Attack needs to stop.
I think it all started back when Goths started to mean this, instead of the more traditional form of Goth
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:27:57am |
re: #130 tradewind
Gulf oil is still around. Amoco isn’t. Standard Oil isn’t (that’s what Amoco was before that name change).
The names change, but the problem remains - all too much reliance on the black goo to make the world go around.
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Summer Seale Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:28:01am |
OT:
CNN: Trending: Tea Party Express targets incumbent GOP senator
I know very little about Alass-ka, other than I channel Sarah on a regular basis, but I figured this was worth knowing about.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:28:21am |
re: #127 lawhawk
Thanks, LH.
Of course, there were probably some pretty creative accountants in the mix.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:28:41am |
re: #89 tradewind
Twenty billion’s a good start, and shouldn’t be a problem for them, since their profit last year was roughly ten times that.
re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They had two hundred billion in profit?
How do I get me some of that?
I’d like to see a source for claiming they had $200 billion in profits. I’d believe that as an operating income number, but not as net profit for 2009.
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Fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:28:49am |
re: #125 Fozzie Bear
Quote here, with a source, where Obama has tried to make this a nationalistic issue.
Really? Do I have to dig that up?
I thought it was kind of out in the open. Read some of the British press.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:28:52am |
re: #124 EmmmieG
They could use a symbol. I think that guy that sometime sings Purple Rain and lives in Minnesota has a used one he could sell them.
A funny Rosie O’Donnell bit was she called him “TAFKAP”. Pronounced phonetically. He asked her to stop.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:29:13am |
re: #134 Fozzie Bear
Really? So using the full name that the acronym still ostensibly stands for is an anti-British thing? Thats a huge stretch.
It’s the Age of the Easily Offended.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:29:21am |
re: #132 tradewind
Alright. Get off HuffPo.
/
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:29:39am |
re: #119 reine.de.tout
Agreed!
I’m so glad.
I was worried I sounded like I don’t give a shit about the gulf coast.
But I do. This whole thing is making me ill, but the crazy has just gone over the edge.
I think liberal’s response to the speech last night was the last straw to me.
Matthews, Keith and Fineman last night were just discraseful.
My God what a bunch of pearl clutchers….
And then on the other side you have Palin and morons like Haley “foghorn leghorn” Barbour.
Ugh.
It is all just so shrill….
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Kragar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:29:44am |
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tnguitarist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:30:12am |
re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What? You don’t like Kitchen Fresh Chicken?
/
Killer F****** Coronary
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:30:36am |
re: #127 lawhawk
Gross profit was over $200 billion, but net income was $20 billion for tax year 2009.
Thank you Lawhawk.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:30:38am |
re: #142 Fiveonefive
If it makes you feel any better, most of the people around here blame it on stupid managerial decisions based on stupid corporate culture that is universal, not specific to any one country.
Kind of like the way they say that in any police investigation, the more top brass show up, the less likely it is that the case will ever be solved.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:30:48am |
re: #139 Summer
OT:
CNN: Trending: Tea Party Express targets incumbent GOP senator
I know very little about Alass-ka, other than I channel Sarah on a regular basis, but I figured this was worth knowing about.
Sounds like it could spring from a Wassila Middle School cheerleading competition.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:31:14am |
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:31:32am |
re: #99 Fiveonefive
Touching concern for their sensitivities, noted./
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:32:05am |
re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Alright. Get off HuffPo.
/
Ahem, that’s HUFFINGTON POST,, don’t make me get Huffy!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:32:24am |
re: #144 Charles
It’s the Age of the Easily Offended.
Damn. I was just relaxing from the Age of Anxiety.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:32:29am |
re: #142 Fiveonefive
Really? Do I have to dig that up?
I thought it was kind of out in the open. Read some of the British press.
Who knew the British were a bunch of emo babies too?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:32:33am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:32:37am |
re: #142 Fiveonefive
Really? Do I have to dig that up?
I thought it was kind of out in the open. Read some of the British press.
So, Obama using the former full name of a company whose current name is an acronym for it’s former full name is anti-British? Really?
You are seeing your preconceptions more than you are seeing what is in front of you.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:32:56am |
re: #142 Fiveonefive
Really? Do I have to dig that up?
I thought it was kind of out in the open. Read some of the British press.
sorry, nothing there to support you point, not one BO quote
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:33:11am |
re: #139 Summer
OT:
CNN: Trending: Tea Party Express targets incumbent GOP senator
I know very little about Alass-ka, other than I channel Sarah on a regular basis, but I figured this was worth knowing about.
Very foolish. This can only hurt the GOP.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:33:49am |
re: #158 Fozzie Bear
So, Obama using the former full name of a company whose current name is an acronym for it’s former full name is anti-British? Really?
You are seeing your preconceptions more than you are seeing what is in front of you.
No, it is just another thing to criticize about Obama. For chrissakes, there are plenty of valid points of criticism here, what is the point of frothing at the mouth over something so entirely irrelevant?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:33:53am |
Okay, silly admittance time. I used the word “impugn” a few posts back. Had to look it up to spell it correctly. Thought to myself, “Why in the hell is there a G in impugn. That’s a stupid spelling.”
Then? I remembered my first name is Hugh.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:34:30am |
re: #160 Fiveonefive
Offended by what? You still haven’t provided a single quote where anti-British sentiment is expressed by any administration official.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:34:51am |
re: #146 webevintage
I’m so glad.
I was worried I sounded like I don’t give a shit about the gulf coast.But I do. This whole thing is making me ill, but the crazy has just gone over the edge.
I think liberal’s response to the speech last night was the last straw to me.
Matthews, Keith and Fineman last night were just discraseful.
Wow.
That word should be “disgraceful”….
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:34:56am |
re: #132 tradewind
Whoops, my bad… I read 200 bill in profits somewhere.
The Washington Post noted, in the early days of the spill, BP paid $17.5 million per day while the company made on average $93 million per day in the first quarter ( 6 billion dollars). The company made $163 billion in profits from 2001 through 2009
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:35:19am |
re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, silly admittance time. I used the word “impugn” a few posts back. Had to look it up to spell it correctly. Thought to myself, “Why in the hell is there a G in impugn. That’s a stupid spelling.”
Then? I remembered my first name is Hugh.
From the latin puglius - to hit, as in a pugilist, a boxer.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:35:44am |
re: #146 webevintage
I’m so glad.
I was worried I sounded like I don’t give a shit about the gulf coast.But I do. This whole thing is making me ill, but the crazy has just gone over the edge.
I think liberal’s response to the speech last night was the last straw to me.
Matthews, Keith and Fineman last night were just discraseful.
My God what a bunch of pearl clutchers…
And then on the other side you have Palin and morons like Haley “foghorn leghorn” Barbour.
Ugh.
It is all just so shrill…
No, you don’t sound that way at all.
Emo posturing won’t solve anything, nor help anybody.
Part of the problem is that people do not understand drilling/production operations, and there is so much misinformation. Folks need to calm down and apprise themselves of as much factual information as they can. Then they can go all emo … (just kidding, sorta).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:35:45am |
re: #167 ralphieboy
Uh… Cato is “Mr. Language Person”.
/
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ryannon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:35:46am |
re: #41 Charles
The latest troll technique seems to be to go to older threads and leave stink bombs at the end, hoping to get the last word. If you see me leaving the last comment on a bunch of threads, this is why. I’ve blocked two of these jerks already today.
I swear I didn’t know it was a Dead Thread!
(Looks around nervously)
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:35:59am |
What I love most about this is that 40% of their stock is owned in the UK compared to 39% here in America.
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Fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:36:53am |
re: #162 ralphieboy
No, it is just another thing to criticize about Obama. For chrissakes, there are plenty of valid points of criticism here, what is the point of frothing at the mouth over something so entirely irrelevant?
Well there are a whole lot of people over on the other side of the Atlantic who are genuinely offended by the nationalist rhetoric…not just from Obama and all. But in general.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:37:19am |
re: #112 webevintage
Just read an article comparing Obama’s reactions to those of John Lindsay, former mayor of New York, who was faced with a crippling transit strike that turned into his Carter moment.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:37:38am |
re: #172 Fiveonefive
Well there are a whole lot of people over on the other side of the Atlantic who are genuinely offended by the nationalist rhetoric…not just from Obama and all. But in general.
WHAT nationalistic rhetoric? Quotes please. You are still making completely unsubstantiated claims. Substantiate them please.
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:37:45am |
re: #171 JasonA
And what sucks is that a whole bunch of BP stock is held by pension funds and mutual funds all over the place - and with the BP share getting hammered, those pension funds are getting hammered too. Because before this disaster, BP was seen as a good energy stock to invest in.
Now? It’s pretty much toxic.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:38:33am |
re: #172 Fiveonefive
Well there are a whole lot of people over on the other side of the Atlantic who are genuinely offended by the nationalist rhetoric...not just from Obama and all. But in general.
where is this rhetoric from BO?….that’s the second time
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:38:55am |
re: #175 lawhawk
Yeah, but I don’t see how Obama’s use of “British Petroleum” is at fault for that.
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McSpiff Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:39:39am |
Alright guys. I’m giving LGF a once in a lifetime opportunity. I’m going to give you the opportunity to send a message to the evil mastermind behind this whole thing. Yes, you can reach out and speak for America! You can finally send a message to that cruel, evil genius… The Queen of England/Canada!
Yes, you heard me right. Her Majesty and the Duke of Edinburgh will be visiting my fair city from June 26th-30th. And where will she be staying? In her underlings lair of course! Government House, home of the cruel Lieutenant Governor.
Which is conveniently located across the street from my place of employment. So, what will it be? A banner reading “Don’t let your black heart wash up on America’s shores”? Or something wittier. You decide!
//Yes she is really visiting. No I’m not really making an ass out of myself in front of my Queen.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:39:47am |
re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Reign, feign, etc.
What a paign it must be for foreigners to learn our language.
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Summer Seale Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:39:59am |
re: #174 Fozzie Bear
WHAT nationalistic rhetoric? Quotes please. You are still making completely unsubstantiated claims. Substantiate them please.
*raises her hand*
Sarah Palin here!
I’m a Nationalist! I love all kinds of lists and read all of them, especially nashon ones. It sounds biblical and, you know, I betcha it probably is!
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:40:36am |
re: #178 McSpiff
The Duchess already took care of that for ya’./
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Fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:41:02am |
re: #174 Fozzie Bear
WHAT nationalistic rhetoric? Quotes please. You are still making completely unsubstantiated claims. Substantiate them please.
It don’t know each individual quote. But the British people perceive it. Maybe you believe they are just making shit up and are offended for no reason…
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:41:03am |
re: #178 McSpiff
How about a banner urging her to skip to Prince William?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:41:15am |
re: #172 Fiveonefive
Well there are a whole lot of people over on the other side of the Atlantic who are genuinely offended by the nationalist rhetoric…not just from Obama and all. But in general.
There are a whole lot of oversensitive jerks who are looking for something to get offended about.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:41:19am |
And here is more moronic convergence from FOX.
thinkprogress.org
KILMEADE: Alright, Mr. Speaker, what do you think of that?
GINGRICH: Well, I hope he means it. […] I’m sad that it took a crisis of this scale, but I’m delighted that the president has recognized that we in fact all are subordinate to a larger God and that we need to seek guidance from that God.
CARLSON: But Mr. Speaker, did you find it at all disingenuous, because some people are analyzing that this morning as saying it was disingenuous from a president who does not go to Church on a regular basis?
GINGRICH: […] If he’s prepared to publicly recognize God, maybe we should encourage him to do it more often.
I want to think that Carlson is just putting on an act to keep her job but man shit like that makes me think that maybe she really is that ridiculous. I had no idea that only folks who attend church on a regular basis have a right to suggest people pray. And really nothing burns me up more then a guy with 3 marriages under his belt having the nerve to infer that the President in someway has never mentioned God before.
Ugh.
Now I’m getting offended.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:41:47am |
re: #175 lawhawk
Bonds have gone from A+ to B+++, I think……
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:41:49am |
re: #178 McSpiff
Alright guys. I’m giving LGF a once in a lifetime opportunity. I’m going to give you the opportunity to send a message to the evil mastermind behind this whole thing. Yes, you can reach out and speak for America! You can finally send a message to that cruel, evil genius… The Queen of England/Canada!
Yes, you heard me right. Her Majesty and the Duke of Edinburgh will be visiting my fair city from June 26th-30th. And where will she be staying? In her underlings lair of course! Government House, home of the cruel Lieutenant Governor.
Which is conveniently located across the street from my place of employment. So, what will it be? A banner reading “Don’t let your black heart wash up on America’s shores”? Or something wittier. You decide!
//Yes she is really visiting. No I’m not really making an ass out of myself in front of my Queen.
Hang a poster that reads, “Bring back Atomic Kitten”
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McSpiff Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:42:01am |
re: #183 EmmmieG
How about a banner urging her to skip to Prince William?
This I can support. Gah Charles better not end up as my King…
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:42:25am |
re: #180 Summer
*raises her hand*
Sarah Palin here!
I’m a Nationalist! I love all kinds of lists and read all of them, especially nashon ones. It sounds biblical and, you know, I betcha it probably is!
Last night on O’Reilly she said that Obama should accept the help of the Dutch because they’re, like, experienced at plugging holes and dealing with spills and… oh fuck it, I wish I were making this up but I’m not…
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:42:37am |
re: #178 McSpiff
Alright guys. I’m giving LGF a once in a lifetime opportunity. I’m going to give you the opportunity to send a message to the evil mastermind behind this whole thing. Yes, you can reach out and speak for America! You can finally send a message to that cruel, evil genius… The Queen of England/Canada!
Yes, you heard me right. Her Majesty and the Duke of Edinburgh will be visiting my fair city from June 26th-30th. And where will she be staying? In her underlings lair of course! Government House, home of the cruel Lieutenant Governor.
Which is conveniently located across the street from my place of employment. So, what will it be? A banner reading “Don’t let your black heart wash up on America’s shores”? Or something wittier. You decide!
//Yes she is really visiting. No I’m not really making an ass out of myself in front of my Queen.
Just semaphore “Up the long ladder and down the short rope…” She knows the rest.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:42:49am |
re: #172 Fiveonefive
Well there are a whole lot of people over on the other side of the Atlantic who are genuinely offended by the nationalist rhetoric…not just from Obama and all. But in general.
Then they are imagining something that is just NOT there.
There has been no “nationalist rhetoric” from the President.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:43:25am |
re: #170 ryannon
I know… sometimes I just haven’t been around for a while , or hit the wrong thread.
But I know what Charles means… it’s the old ’ sneak in, sneak out before you’re seen and your post will live longer ’ trick.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:43:37am |
re: #157 reine.de.tout
Every time I hear the name I first hear a new prefix. Might as well make it part of the name.
Fine, not British Petroleum.
I’ll stick with “fu*&ing BP”. Less offensive than British Petroleum I’m sure.
//
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:43:41am |
re: #179 tradewind
Reign, feign, etc.
What a paign it must be for foreigners to learn our language.
Quit feigning sympathy.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:43:59am |
re: #179 tradewind
Reign, feign, etc.
What a paign it must be for foreigners to learn our language.
They deign to try.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:44:14am |
re: #188 McSpiff
I hear he’s enthusiastic about the islamic method, so maybe he’ll settle for ayatollah.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:45:09am |
re: #177 JasonA
Yeah, but I don’t see how Obama’s use of “British Petroleum” is at fault for that.
I guess it must be the way he says “British” with that sneering American Mooslim Commie accent of his….
/
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Fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:45:17am |
Stop the Anti-British Rhetoric, Obama
So are we to believe that the British people are just jumpy or these comments have no weight at all?
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McSpiff Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:45:31am |
That mug on our money and stamps… no good at all.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:45:49am |
re: #182 Fiveonefive
It don’t know each individual quote. But the British people perceive it. Maybe you believe they are just making shit up and are offended for no reason…
sorry again….”boot on the neck” was said by Salazar, not BO
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:46:09am |
re: #179 tradewind
Reign, feign, etc.
What a paign it must be for foreigners to learn our language.
If you insist on cobbling together a language from four or five other languages, this is what you are going to get.
It’s why we have so many synonyms for things.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:47:06am |
re: #189 JasonA
Last night on O’Reilly she said that Obama should accept the help of the Dutch because they’re, like, experienced at plugging holes and dealing with spills and… oh fuck it, I wish I were making this up but I’m not…
hahahahahaha
That Sarah, she is such a card.
(raise your hands if you think Palin is still annoyed that the President has not picked up the phone and asked her to come help her use her vast knowledge of oil drilling to fix this problem for her?)
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Kragar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:47:06am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:47:12am |
Silver (black) lining?
BP was the unlucky careless fucker in this mess. Could’ve been any Oil Company. I think we should be glad that if it happened, at least it happened to a healthy company, not “Bob’s Oil” or something.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:47:25am |
re: #193 Rightwingconspirator
You know, I’e tried driving past my local BP station instead of filling up my schizo SUV ( hybrid), but I started thinking about the owner who holds the franchise, and how he will be/is being hurt, more so than BP. I can’t boycott ‘em, just for that reason. If BP owned the station, I’d drive by with a middle finger salute.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:47:45am |
re: #201 EmmmieG
If you insist on cobbling together a language from four or five other languages, this is what you are going to get.
It’s why we have so many synonyms for things.
“Why’s abbreviation such a long word?”
-Steven Wright
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ryannon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:47:49am |
re: #108 Alouette
As we all know, KFC does not stand for “Kentucky Fried Chicken”
Killer Freakin’ Cholesterol?
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SixDegrees Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:48:07am |
re: #8 Walter L. Newton
That’s what I’m wondering… if that’s not close enough to break them, then it’s too little.
Well, I don’t see how “breaking them” helps anyone or anything. Forcing the company into bankruptcy guarantees that creditors - and claimants - will see, at best, pennies on the dollar. BP has, I believe, lost over half its market capitalization over the last couple of months, and deliberate attempts by the government to drive it to ruin will yank the rug out from under whatever support remains.
And the company itself isn’t at fault. If anyone is, that would be the people running the company. If any of the many investigations proposed or already underway turn up deliberate wrongdoing, that’s where punishment should be directed. Dismantling the company itself out of spite and malice serves no purpose, and adds the company’s hundred thousand or so employees to the list of those harmed.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:48:10am |
re: #182 Fiveonefive
It don’t know each individual quote. But the British people perceive it. Maybe you believe they are just making shit up and are offended for no reason…
I’m not asking for each individual quote. I’m asking for a single quote. Not a link to an article that contains not a single quote which could be construed as anti-British. A quote. Just one.
To refresh your memory, you made the following statements. Relevant portions are bolded.
I wasn’t talking to you in that post. I’m willing to believe you didn’t know the name was changed. I’m less willing to give a pass on Obama and others who have tried to make this a USA vs. Britain issue.
Well there are a whole lot of people over on the other side of the Atlantic who are genuinely offended by the nationalist rhetoric…not just from Obama and all. But in general.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:48:34am |
re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
“Why’s abbreviation such a long word?”
-Steven Wright
Is it just me or does the word innuendo just sound dirty?
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:48:40am |
re: #198 Fiveonefive
Stop the Anti-British Rhetoric, Obama
So are we to believe that the British people are just jumpy or these comments have no weight at all?
How about this quote from your link? Clearly shows BP is critically linked to… Britain.
Even normally sober voices are getting in on the act. The former British ambassador to Washington, Sir Christopher Meyer, told the BBC it was time for Cameron to take on the White House: “The survival and ultimate prosperity of BP is a vital British interest, and I think the time has come to point it out, at a senior level, to the U.S. administration.”
You want your cake and to eat it too.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:48:46am |
re: #198 Fiveonefive
Stop the Anti-British Rhetoric, Obama
So are we to believe that the British people are just jumpy or these comments have no weight at all?
twice you claimed BO was spewing anti Brit rhetoric, and have yet to show it
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:49:15am |
re: #205 tradewind
You know, I’e tried driving past my local BP station instead of filling up my schizo SUV ( hybrid), but I started thinking about the owner who holds the franchise, and how he will be/is being hurt, more so than BP. I can’t boycott ‘em, just for that reason. If BP owned the station, I’d drive by with a middle finger salute.
Okay, but remember…
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:49:23am |
re: #205 tradewind
Good for you, I agree. Why echo the sins against LA?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:50:00am |
re: #210 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Is it just me or does the word innuendo just sound dirty?
If the word was “inurendo” it’d sound dirtier.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:50:32am |
re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Silver (black) lining?
BP was the unlucky careless fucker in this mess. Could’ve been any Oil Company. I think we should be glad that if it happened, at least it happened to a healthy company, not “Bob’s Oil” or something.
the odds were stacked against BP, they are an exception….look at their fines record
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:51:03am |
re: #198 Fiveonefive
Stop the Anti-British Rhetoric, Obama
So are we to believe that the British people are just jumpy or these comments have no weight at all?
I’d say that the Brits have become a bunch of whiny pantywaists who should know better.
This is all our fault….the internets have ruined the great UK with our nutso collective freak out.
These people handled getting bombed in WW2 and now that have been reduced to getting in a snit over the use of British when discussing BP.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:51:10am |
re: #205 tradewind
You know, I’e tried driving past my local BP station instead of filling up my schizo SUV ( hybrid), but I started thinking about the owner who holds the franchise, and how he will be/is being hurt, more so than BP. I can’t boycott ‘em, just for that reason. If BP owned the station, I’d drive by with a middle finger salute.
Stop in and buy snacks from him. That’s where he makes all his money. The gas sales are almost meaningless to his bottom line.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:51:25am |
re: #189 JasonA
There’s a dike joke in there somewhere.
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Fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:51:37am |
re: #212 albusteve
twice you claimed BO was spewing anti Brit rhetoric, and have yet to show it
Repeaditly calling a company by its incorrect 10 years old name with nationalistic connotations can be perceived by someone as being anti Brit rhetoric.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:52:01am |
re: #191 webevintage
Can’t believe it, but we agree on that one. If anything, the only reason that POTUS even mentions the ’ not American company ’ aspect is to further gin up the anti-Big Oil, anti-corporate emotion.
I don’t think that Obama would have wished for the spill, but I do think he’s rubbing his hands over Cap n’ Tax possibilities, in a ’ whoo-hoo, now we got’cha ’ kind of way.
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Randall Gross Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:52:34am |
re: #144 Charles
It’s the Age of the Easily Offended.
Until they invest in nuclear, solar, and wind I’m going to be calling them British Petroleum.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:52:52am |
re: #220 Fiveonefive
Repeaditly calling a company by its incorrect 10 years old name with nationalistic connotations can be perceived by someone as being anti Brit rhetoric.
too bad…they are wrong, maybe you should start telling them so
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:52:56am |
re: #220 Fiveonefive
Well it is a British company tied to British interests. It’s accurate as a description, if not the DBA.
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McSpiff Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:53:09am |
re: #223 Thanos
Until they invest in nuclear, solar, and wind I’m going to be calling them British Petroleum.
Willful ignorance is so hard to watch…
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:53:11am |
re: #208 SixDegrees
Well, I don’t see how “breaking them” helps anyone or anything. Forcing the company into bankruptcy guarantees that creditors - and claimants - will see, at best, pennies on the dollar. BP has, I believe, lost over half its market capitalization over the last couple of months, and deliberate attempts by the government to drive it to ruin will yank the rug out from under whatever support remains.
And the company itself isn’t at fault. If anyone is, that would be the people running the company. If any of the many investigations proposed or already underway turn up deliberate wrongdoing, that’s where punishment should be directed. Dismantling the company itself out of spite and malice serves no purpose, and adds the company’s hundred thousand or so employees to the list of those harmed.
Upding for rationality, but I stand in awe of the wonder that is the corporate “person-hood” in law. If I sloppily killed 11 people and devastated a region, I don’t think I’d get a bonus.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:53:15am |
re: #182 Fiveonefive
It don’t know each individual quote. But the British people perceive it. Maybe you believe they are just making shit up and are offended for no reason…
Honestly, on this I don’t care if the UK is offended. Obama should bash BP, because BP fucked up. I don’t think Obama should care what the UK thinks on this one.
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:53:58am |
re: #221 tradewind
Can’t believe it, but we agree on that one. If anything, the only reason that POTUS even mentions the ’ not American company ’ aspect is to further gin up the anti-Big Oil, anti-corporate emotion.
I don’t think that Obama would have wished for the spill, but I do think he’s rubbing his hands over Cap n’ Tax possibilities, in a ’ whoo-hoo, now we got’cha ’ kind of way.
Sarah?
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:54:07am |
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:54:13am |
I am just astounded at some of this. Until somebody can show me its not really British or not really dealing petroleum, the description is perfectly fine. nobody blames the Queen on this.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:54:24am |
re: #221 tradewind
Can’t believe it, but we agree on that one.
Wow, I just saw a pig fly by my window…
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:54:24am |
re: #220 Fiveonefive
Repeaditly calling a company by its incorrect 10 years old name with nationalistic connotations can be perceived by someone as being anti Brit rhetoric.
Yes, but you didn’t claim that we are talking about received perceptions. You directly claimed that Obama “tried to make this a USA vs. Britain issue”. That’s a direct quote.
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Fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:54:27am |
re: #228 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, on this I don’t care if the UK is offended. Obama should bash BP, because BP fucked up. I don’t think Obama should care what the UK thinks on this one.
Well is it too much of a compromise for the President of the United States to use the company’s correct name?
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Kragar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:54:36am |
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:54:45am |
re: #220 Fiveonefive
Repeaditly calling a company by its incorrect 10 years old name with nationalistic connotations can be perceived by someone as being anti Brit rhetoric.
Get the fuck over it already. You want him to say “Beyond Petroleum” like that’s going to make a difference? Usually he says, “BP” which, when I hear it, means BRITISH fucking Petroleum.
And KFC still means “Kentucky Fried Chicken” when I hear it, even though they officially changed their name to KFC and no longer use the words “Kentucky”, “Fried”, or “Chicken” Does that mean I hate Kentucky?
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:55:17am |
re: #231 Rightwingconspirator
I am just astounded at some of this. Until somebody can show me its not really British or not really dealing petroleum, the description is perfectly fine. nobody blames the Queen on this.
Oh, I do.
I do.…
Her and all her little yappy dogs.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:55:24am |
re: #220 Fiveonefive
Repeaditly calling a company by its incorrect 10 years old name with nationalistic connotations can be perceived by someone as being anti Brit rhetoric.
Visit the Four Green Fields pub in Tampa—they’ll show you rhetoric.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:55:31am |
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:55:33am |
re: #201 EmmmieG
I still think we improved on the original. A diaper is not a nappy, and a cookie is not a biscuit. Someone should let ‘em know./
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:55:48am |
re: #237 webevintage
Oh, I do.
I do.…
Her and all her little yappy dogs.
Toto was a little yappy dog, and he was nothing to sneer at.
Just sayin’
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:56:04am |
re: #234 Fiveonefive
Well is it too much of a compromise for the President of the United States to use the company’s correct name?
he can call the damned company whatever he wants as far as I’m concerned
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Fiveonefive Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:56:09am |
re: #233 Fozzie Bear
Yes, but you didn’t claim that we are talking about received perceptions. You directly claimed that Obama “tried to make this a USA vs. Britain issue”. That’s a direct quote.
I and a whole lot of British people believe that he did try to make it a USA vs. Britain issue when he called the company “British” Petroleum multiple times.
But maybe he was like Charles and didn’t know the name changed ten years ago.
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McSpiff Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:56:19am |
re: #236 darthstar
Get the fuck over it already. You want him to say “Beyond Petroleum” like that’s going to make a difference? Usually he says, “BP” which, when I hear it, means BRITISH fucking Petroleum.
And KFC still means “Kentucky Fried Chicken” when I hear it, even though they officially changed their name to KFC and no longer use the words “Kentucky”, “Fried”, or “Chicken” Does that mean I hate Kentucky?
Why not refer to it as Amoco? Makes about as much sense.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:56:31am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:56:56am |
Was stuck in a long line of traffic this morning… and started daydreaming about the amount of gasoline that was being used by the minute in the one traffic jam that I was in. Then wondered how many other traffic jams were going on in Philly?, then kept expanding the idea…
We’re gonna need a lot of oil for a long, long time.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:57:18am |
re: #227 Decatur Deb
They’re going to pay, rest assured. But it does us and the victims of the spill no good to needlessly p—s them off while they are in the driver’s seat, so to speak. Let them do their thing, whatever that is, so we can get this fixed, and then sock it to ‘em when it’s cleaned up.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:57:22am |
re: #240 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are outraged!
Bachmann: Obama Exceeding Constitutional Authority in Ordering BP to Surrender Funds—‘It’s All About Extortion’
I don’t think BO has any legal authority either…if there is someone might post it
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:57:22am |
re: #240 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are outraged!
Bachmann: Obama Exceeding Constitutional Authority in Ordering BP to Surrender Funds—‘It’s All About Extortion’
Of course they are.
What would President Bachmann who so loves the little man and small businessess and her gov’t hand out for her family farm suggest the President do?
Just trust the limey bastards?
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:57:37am |
re: #240 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are outraged!
Bachmann: Obama Exceeding Constitutional Authority in Ordering BP to Surrender Funds—‘It’s All About Extortion’
—-
“The president just called for creating a fund that would be administered by outsiders which would be more of a redistribution-of-wealth fund, and now it appears we’re going to be looking at yet one more gateway for more government control, more money to government,” she said.
*facepalm*
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:57:51am |
re: #245 McSpiff
Why not refer to it as Amoco? Makes about as much sense.
Amoco sells breaded and fried chicken?
///
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:57:56am |
re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Was stuck in a long line of traffic this morning… and started daydreaming about the amount of gasoline that was being used by the minute in the one traffic jam that I was in. Then wondered how many other traffic jams were going on in Philly?, then kept expanding the idea…
We’re gonna need a lot of oil for a long, long time.
That’s part of BP’s curse on the city for spoiling his view from the top of City Hall… ;)
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:58:01am |
re: #249 albusteve
I don’t think BO has any legal authority either…if there is someone might post it
It’s all part of the seekrit plot! Socialism!
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:58:22am |
re: #244 Fiveonefive
I and a whole lot of British people believe that he did try to make it a USA vs. Britain issue when he called the company “British” Petroleum multiple times.
But maybe he was like Charles and didn’t know the name changed ten years ago.
So…
How much BP stock do you own, out of curiosity?
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SixDegrees Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:58:34am |
re: #227 Decatur Deb
Upding for rationality, but I stand in awe of the wonder that is the corporate “person-hood” in law. If I sloppily killed 11 people and devastated a region, I don’t think I’d get a bonus.
The treatment of corporations as persons is precisely why BP - and many other companies - can have the concept of personal liability for events such as this spill extended to them. If they were treated as some other sort of legal entity, it’s difficult to say how they would be treated in such cases, but it’s a pretty safe bet, given their enormous ability to sway political (and, by extension, legal) events through financial incentive, that their treatment would wind up being much more lenient than it currently is under the concept that they’re no different from an individual.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:58:55am |
re: #218 darthstar
Stop in and buy snacks from him. That’s where he makes all his money. The gas sales are almost meaningless to his bottom line.
The way gas is distributed by pipeline makes it impossible to know who refined the gasoline you are buying.
After shipment through the pipeline, gasoline is typically held in bulk storage terminals that often service many companies. At these terminals the gasoline is loaded into tanker trucks destined for various retail gas stations. The tanks in these trucks, which can typically hold up to 10,000 gallons, usually have several compartments, enabling them to transport different grades of gasoline or petroleum products. The truck tank is where the special additive packages of gasoline retailers get blended into the gasoline to differentiate one brand from another
source: Energy Publisher
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:58:58am |
re: #249 albusteve
I don’t think BO has any legal authority either…if there is someone might post it
Actually I don’t care if he does or not as long as he gets them to do it and if he had to use blackmail and threats to get them to pony up then good.
Bachman can suck it.
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ryannon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:59:03am |
re: #176 albusteve
where is this rhetoric from BO?…that’s the second time
What is this rhetoric you are speaking of?
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abolitionist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:59:05am |
re: #240 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are outraged!
Bachmann: Obama Exceeding Constitutional Authority in Ordering BP to Surrender Funds—‘It’s All About Extortion’
…I want to take those profits, and… —Hillary Clinton
A more direct approach, no?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:59:39am |
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:59:41am |
re: #249 albusteve
That hasn’t stopped him before….. see HCA./
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kingkenrod Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:59:44am |
re: #240 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are outraged!
Bachmann: Obama Exceeding Constitutional Authority in Ordering BP to Surrender Funds—‘It’s All About Extortion’
BP isn’t being ordered to do anything - they’re getting a helluva deal here!
But I do question where Obama gets the legal authority to accept this money from a foreign corporation and distribute it solely within the executive branch. Congress should authorize it - maybe that is pending.
And I’d like to know if BP got anything in return via handshake or otherwise.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:00:22am |
Well, well From Politico
BP has agreed to finance a $20 billion escrow fund to pay claims to people who lost income in the Gulf Coast oil spill, an administration source tells POLITICO.
Lawyer Kenneth Feinberg, who was in charge of payments to families of victims of the 9/11 attacks, will oversee the fund.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:00:46am |
re: #260 abolitionist
HRC knows all about taking profits, going all the way back to her days in Little Rock.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:00:48am |
re: #255 JasonA
So…
How much BP stock do you own, out of curiosity?
probably thinking too much by now
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:00:51am |
re: #248 tradewind
They’re going to pay, rest assured. But it does us and the victims of the spill no good to needlessly p—s them off while they are in the driver’s seat, so to speak. Let them do their thing, whatever that is, so we can get this fixed, and then sock it to ‘em when it’s cleaned up.
There’s no joy in starving a bunch of retired chimney-sweeps. I want the Directors on the beach in tyvek until they’ve cleaned the last frickin’ sandpiper.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:01:51am |
re: #264 Rightwingconspirator
Emphasize the analogy.
Get that 9-11 image in the peoples’ minds.
Then again, he may just be the most qualified.
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ryannon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:01:58am |
re: #192 tradewind
I know… sometimes I just haven’t been around for a while , or hit the wrong thread.
But I know what Charles means… it’s the old ’ sneak in, sneak out before you’re seen and your post will live longer ’ trick.
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:02:18am |
re: #243 albusteve
he can call the damned company whatever he wants as far as I’m concerned
Shit, when you’re actually defending Obama, we know FOF has a thin argument.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:02:36am |
Ugh. Installed the latest Flash player from Adobe that’s supposed to fix some security problems, and it’s giving me nothing but problems.
Now I’m going to have to reinstall the older version. Thanks again, Adobe.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:02:57am |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:03:22am |
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:03:23am |
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ryannon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:04:05am |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:04:50am |
re: #262 tradewind
That hasn’t stopped him before… see HCA./
some people will relate the question to the auto company issue, but that was voluntary just like the $20b from BP
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:05:05am |
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:05:31am |
re: #251 JasonA
““The president just called for creating a fund that would be administered by outsiders which would be more of a redistribution-of-wealth fund, and now it appears we’re going to be looking at yet one more gateway for more government control, more money to government,” she said.
*facepalm*
It is stuff like this that makes me hopeful about the mid term elections.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:05:34am |
By the way, Switzerland beat Spain 1-0 today…that’s going to leave a mark. Spain is one of the favorites in this tournament.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:06:02am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:06:13am |
Back to work. Later knuckleheads.
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Randall Gross Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:06:37am |
re: #271 Charles
Ugh. Installed the latest Flash player from Adobe that’s supposed to fix some security problems, and it’s giving me nothing but problems.
Now I’m going to have to reinstall the older version. Thanks again, Adobe.
It almost never fails with Adobe installs - they always screw something up or make your ubersystem into a dog. I always wait a few days before I download anything new from them.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:07:35am |
re: #278 webevintage
It is stuff like this that makes me hopeful about the mid term elections.
I think Michelle Bachmann should be on TV every week. Between her “redistribution of wealth” comments and Michael Steele’s “the president is using the gulf spill for political gain” (itself a political move), the mid-terms are looking better every day.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:07:46am |
re: #271 Charles
Ugh. Installed the latest Flash player from Adobe that’s supposed to fix some security problems, and it’s giving me nothing but problems.
Now I’m going to have to reinstall the older version. Thanks again, Adobe.
The CS5 release seems to have sucked up all the talent over there. Heavy call volumes etc. Sucks.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:08:40am |
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abolitionist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:08:47am |
re: #271 Charles
Ugh. Installed the latest Flash player from Adobe that’s supposed to fix some security problems, and it’s giving me nothing but problems.
Now I’m going to have to reinstall the older version. Thanks again, Adobe.
I read some unfavorable reviews of v 10.1, and rolled back via System Restore. Was having troubles with some of HULU’s ads stalling.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:09:12am |
re: #271 Charles
Did you have any issues after the Safari 5 update?
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jordash1212 Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:09:20am |
This was the figure the senate democrats were calling for.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:09:44am |
I went out looking at guns today. The Mossberg with changeable barrels seems nice. Affordable too. maybe the 500 JIC™ is more my style.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:09:51am |
re: #271 Charles
Ugh. Installed the latest Flash player from Adobe that’s supposed to fix some security problems, and it’s giving me nothing but problems.
Now I’m going to have to reinstall the older version. Thanks again, Adobe.
Adobe is a freaking disaster from a programming perspective.
My wife was the victim of identity fraud a few months ago. As it turns out, her computer was hacked using a flaw in a version of acrobat reader.
I will not run any adobe product except in a sandbox, or in a virtual machine.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:10:15am |
re: #285 tradewind
I know what you mean, but really, not all of the birds should be cleaned. I hate it, but a lot of those graphic ’ scrubbing the oil off the birds ’ photos are more for the effect on a public than the affect it will have on the wildlife.
[Link: www.npr.org…]
Most birds will die, cleaned or not. The oil they ingested trying to preen themselves is already killing them. I heard the NPR story yesterday about this…it seems Penguins tend to do okay after a spill & rescue, but most birds die within a year.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:10:49am |
re: #283 darthstar
The public seems to be falling for both of those statements. Obama’s numbers going lower every day.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:11:07am |
re: #283 darthstar
I think Michelle Bachmann should be on TV every week. Between her “redistribution of wealth” comments and Michael Steele’s “the president is using the gulf spill for political gain” (itself a political move), the mid-terms are looking better every day.
what do you call the cash for clunkers deal, or the car bailouts?…they redistributed wealth via tax dollars….dispute that
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:11:11am |
re: #283 darthstar
I think Michelle Bachmann should be on TV every week. Between her “redistribution of wealth” comments and Michael Steele’s “the president is using the gulf spill for political gain” (itself a political move), the mid-terms are looking better every day.
And then there are the ~wink wink~ nudge nudge~ references to violence if the crazy conservative tea party folks do not win like this one from Sharon Angle:
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:11:14am |
re: #285 tradewind
I know what you mean, but really, not all of the birds should be cleaned. I hate it, but a lot of those graphic ’ scrubbing the oil off the birds ’ photos are more for the effect on a public than the affect it will have on the wildlife.
[Link: www.npr.org…]
Yeah, survival/effort sucks. I’m on a volunteer list:
How Do You Clean an Oiled Bird?
slate.com
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Sand Panda Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:12:44am |
Preface: I’m British and I’m not in the slightest bit personally offended by people referring to BP as British Petroleum. However considering that after the 1998 merger with Amoco it has effectively been an Anglo-American company for over a decade, and known simply by as “BP”, to me the emphasis on “British” seems like a cynical, blame-shifting ploy.
BP employs 80,300 people worldwide, of who over a third are US citizens. 39% of its shares are held in the US (40% in the UK). Equally, the rig itself was owned and operated by the US firm Transocean. BP had a 65% share in the well, while a US companies like Anadarko (25% share) split the rest. A failed blow-out preventer was made by US firm, Cameron, while cement work that was supposed to seal the well was carried out by US firm, Halliburton.
My point is not that it’s offensive, but that people are cynically playing politics with the situation.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:12:57am |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:13:05am |
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:13:58am |
re: #293 albusteve
what do you call the cash for clunkers deal, or the car bailouts?…they redistributed wealth via tax dollars…dispute that
Aside from you and tradewind, name someone who still gets upset over that deal (which, by the way, did manage to help save some US Auto companies and the jobs they provide)?
(oh, and GM paid the money back…I’ll even quote Fox on this as they’re fair and balanced)
foxnews.com
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:13:59am |
re: #272 Dark_Falcon
Heh. I’m gonna be forced to listen to
his show sooner or later, just to see WTF ( why the fuss) . Not a convenient time.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:14:32am |
re: #296 Sand Panda
I stand corrected. Not as British as I thought.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:14:55am |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:15:14am |
re: #299 darthstar
Aside from you and tradewind, name someone who still gets upset over that deal (which, by the way, did manage to help save some US Auto companies and the jobs they provide)?
(oh, and GM paid the money back…I’ll even quote Fox on this as they’re fair and balanced)
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
nice windy dodge
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:15:42am |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
It’s a great choice. All the reviews I’ve read say it’s terrific.
the JIC looks like something I might be able to handle but it’s a little expensive for me. The other one I was looking at was the Maveric which has interchangeable barrels and is really pretty cheap.
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brookly red Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:15:51am |
re: #292 tradewind
The public seems to be falling for both of those statements. Obama’s numbers going lower every day.
To be fair he is not running in 2010… here is a pretty good breakdown on the folks that are.
not good for incumbents on either side, the Rs do slightly better than the Ds.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:16:23am |
re: #293 albusteve
what do you call the cash for clunkers deal, or the car bailouts?…they redistributed wealth via tax dollars…dispute that
I call it the right thing to do.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:16:25am |
re: #302 webevintage
and it comes with a “survival kit in a can”…I wonder if that includes gold & survival seeds.
lol
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:16:33am |
re: #303 albusteve
nice windy dodge
Not a dodge at all. Call it redistribution if you think that makes it sound evil. It helped save American jobs. What’s wrong with that?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:16:33am |
re: #302 webevintage
and it comes with a “survival kit in a can”…I wonder if that includes gold & survival seeds.
a longer barrel won’t do much good if you can’t aim it…that gun is for TV style point blank shootouts
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ryannon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:16:37am |
re: #298 albusteve
SWEET!…I prefer a stock tho…check out the Remingtons too
[Link: www.remington.com…]
The pheasants are bigger than the camo’d hunter in that picture. Is that Jurassic Park, or what?
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:17:03am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:17:15am |
re: #296 Sand Panda
I think my point is that, to the vast majority of Americans, the fact that ‘British’ is in the name has nothing to do with our outrage. I haven’t heard a single person try to lay blame on the UK, or even get upset at Britain.
I think most of the outrage is on the British side of the Atlantic, regarding usage of the term ‘British’. Not too many people here care about that aspect of this.
Honestly, nobody of importance is blaming Britain. The vast majority of Americans don’t blame Britian. They blame BP.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:17:44am |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
the JIC looks like something I might be able to handle but it’s a little expensive for me. The other one I was looking at was the Maveric which has interchangeable barrels and is really pretty cheap.
stick with the short barrel..imo…unless you are going hunting (animals)
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:18:02am |
re: #305 brookly red
The POTUS is always the ghost candidate for the midterm elections, on the ballot or not.
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brookly red Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:18:12am |
re: #310 ryannon
The pheasants are bigger than the camo’d hunter in that picture. Is that Jurassic Park, or what?
/Texas
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:18:17am |
I just realized there’s a company named American Standard that makes … toilets. I find that incredibly offensive.
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Sand Panda Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:18:53am |
re: #301 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks; although I’m afraid that the lawyers will be the only ones who will win (yet again) when blame is being equitably apportioned. That being said, I think that BP made a huge PR mistake in just letting Transocean just quietly slink away into the night.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:18:58am |
re: #302 webevintage
and it comes with a “survival kit in a can”…I wonder if that includes gold & survival seeds.
Doesn’t look like it’s good for much more than robbing a crack-house or liquor store. No self-respecting backpacker is going to carry a tube with a shot-gun for protection. Hell, I simply carried a .38 in a hip-holster for bears when I did long back-packing trips. Never had to fire on one, fortunately, as I found giving them a little space and not trying to get close was enough.
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brookly red Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:19:16am |
re: #314 tradewind
The POTUS is always the ghost candidate for the midterm elections, on the ballot or not.
I am aware of that, I just didn’t want to harsh some mellows…
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:19:50am |
re: #313 albusteve
stick with the short barrel..imo…unless you are going hunting (animals)
My logic is that it’s a dual purpose weapon. I’ll almost certainly never need it but if civilization ends I can protect my stash of sardines and peanut butter and bag an occasional squirrel.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:19:53am |
re: #305 brookly red
There’s a lot of time left between now and November, especially with our 24-hr, insta-cam news cycle. I still think the Republicans will take back the House, and I’m not so sure that Obama would really hate that, way down deep. He might actually get a lot more done.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:19:54am |
re: #316 Charles
I just realized there’s a company named American Standard that makes … toilets. I find that incredibly offensive.
They’re changing their name to “Beyond Poop” Please use that going forward.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:20:04am |
re: #308 darthstar
Not a dodge at all. Call it redistribution if you think that makes it sound evil. It helped save American jobs. What’s wrong with that?
a lot…it left the unions in the drivers seat, there very people that wrecked them in the first place…but you will deny that too…they should have gone under, scrapped contracts and started over
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:20:07am |
re: #316 Charles
I just realized there’s a company named American Standard that makes … toilets. I find that incredibly offensive.
Just Poop!
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ryannon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:20:16am |
re: #316 Charles
I just realized that there’s a company named American Standard that makes … toilet seats. I find that incredibly offensive.
Not as much as the Air Force paying $500.00 each for them.
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Sand Panda Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:20:57am |
re: #316 Charles
That’s nothing: the UK is the proud home of Thomas Crapper & Co Ltd.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:21:04am |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
Reliable, accurate beyond what anyone needs too. Common at a championship event we go to. With the shoulder stock in that case, but really the same gun.
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brookly red Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:21:26am |
re: #321 tradewind
There’s a lot of time left between now and November, especially with our 24-hr, insta-cam news cycle. I still think the Republicans will take back the House, and I’m not so sure that Obama would really hate that, way down deep. He might actually get a lot more done.
yes, some say it would work to his advantage…
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:21:40am |
re: #318 darthstar
Doesn’t look like it’s good for much more than robbing a crack-house or liquor store. No self-respecting backpacker is going to carry a tube with a shot-gun for protection. Hell, I simply carried a .38 in a hip-holster for bears when I did long back-packing trips. Never had to fire on one, fortunately, as I found giving them a little space and not trying to get close was enough.
a .38 pistol for a bear?….hahaha!
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:21:51am |
re: #324 albusteve
a lot…it left the unions in the drivers seat, there very people that wrecked them in the first place…but you will deny that too…they should have gone under, scrapped contracts and started over
So the executives and their crappy decisions had nothing to do with it?
All the fault of the unions and those damn workers who want to be part of the middle class.
How dare they.
Bastards.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:22:05am |
re: #671 Bagua (back in the Obama BP speech thread)
[solar is] big because of the subsidies involved. Prove to me that it is economical and I will advocate ramping up deployment. Right now only research and special cases make sense.
Without battery back-up it also destabilises the grid beyond a fractional contribution. Those are
SolarSubsidy Panels.
The larger the solar footprint, the less chance that cloudy weather in one state will disrupt the overall supply. Wind power too is subject to interruption, but the risks are complementary. Nice, quiet sunny days alternate with blustery, cloudy, rainy days. Either way, one or the other alternate energy source is working.
Consumption of electric power can to a considerable extent be aligned with supply. It’s exactly when the sun is high and bright that we have the greatest demand for air conditioning. Many electricity uses are not time critical. It doesn’t much matter which hour of the night your electric car is recharged in, for instance, and heating, refrigeration, and air conditioning are not that sensitive to interruptions of a half hour here and there.
The price of coal-fired electricity is higher than the price at the meter, because the utilities and customers now get to treat the side effects of the extra atmospheric CO2 as externalities. Factor that in and solar electricity becomes more nearly competitive.
R&D is still needed, because solar isn’t quite there yet. So agreed, we should not move to full-scale deployment just yet.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:22:08am |
re: #324 albusteve
a lot…it left the unions in the drivers seat, there very people that wrecked them in the first place…but you will deny that too…they should have gone under, scrapped contracts and started over
Okay, so you’re anti-union. I don’t care for unions much myself as both unions I belonged to (hotel employees union in college and teacher’s union when I taught) screwed me when I needed them. But a lot of people like them.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:22:33am |
re: #320 Killgore Trout
My logic is that it’s a dual purpose weapon. I’ll almost certainly never need it but if civilization ends I can protect my stash of sardines and peanut butter and bag an occasional squirrel.
you need an arsenal, maybe 20 weapons…email me and we’ll get you strated
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:22:52am |
re: #296 Sand Panda
Righto.
It’s silly to think ’ Bad British! ’ just because of the name of the company. Actually, it never crossed my mind, until I heard the controversy. I hope the British people know that most Americans don’t associate them at all with this.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:23:17am |
re: #330 albusteve
a .38 pistol for a bear?…hahaha!
A .38 will work just fine for a bear that doesn’t attack. Stay with plan A and give the bear space.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:23:19am |
re: #326 ryannon
Not as much as the Air Force paying $500.00 each for them.
that’s only the lid….installed with $800.00 pliers
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brookly red Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:23:21am |
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:24:30am |
re: #316 Charles
Now you know the shame of the USC fan.//
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:24:40am |
re: #330 albusteve
a .38 pistol for a bear?…hahaha!
It’s the noise more than anything. You don’t want to shoot an attacking bear, because you’ll only piss it off as most shots will bounce off their skulls. The .38 is plenty powerful…and it’s not like every bear is a 12ft Grizzly. Northern California black bears are smaller - most you’ll see are under 300lbs.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:24:46am |
re: #336 lostlakehiker
A .38 will work just fine for a bear that doesn’t attack. Stay with plan A and give the bear space.
A can opener will work fine for a bear that doesn’t attack. It’s the one that does that’s the problem.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:24:51am |
re: #333 darthstar
Okay, so you’re anti-union. I don’t care for unions much myself as both unions I belonged to (hotel employees union in college and teacher’s union when I taught) screwed me when I needed them. But a lot of people like them.
they are not entirely unnecessary….only when you let them gouge your business or state budget….the need a partner in money sex
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:25:27am |
re: #336 lostlakehiker
A .38 will work just fine for a bear that doesn’t attack. Stay with plan A and give the bear space.
I carry paper wads for bears that don’t attack
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:27:04am |
re: #343 albusteve
I carry paper wads for bears that don’t attack
Bears are largely passive creatures who will leave you alone if you don’t fuck with them (or their cubs). Bang a couple of rocks together, or shout, and they’ll usually run away.
It’s the people who think bears are killing machines that are the biggest hazard in the wild.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:27:19am |
re: #329 brookly red
It worked well for #42. OTOH, he was blessed with a much thicker skin.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:28:02am |
re: #328 Rightwingconspirator
Reliable, accurate beyond what anyone needs too. Common at a championship event we go to. With the shoulder stock in that case, but really the same gun.
I’ll give it some thought. I’m still window shopping at this point.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:28:34am |
re: #340 darthstar
It’s the noise more than anything. You don’t want to shoot an attacking bear, because you’ll only piss it off as most shots will bounce off their skulls. The .38 is plenty powerful…and it’s not like every bear is a 12ft Grizzly. Northern California black bears are smaller - most you’ll see are under 300lbs.
a shot with a .38 that kills a bear would be the single Most Lucky Shot Ever….I assumed you meant for defense, not noise….if that’s the case play them some Nirvana and they’ll be gone in a heartbeat, save your ammo for pissed off husbands
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Sand Panda Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:28:56am |
re: #335 tradewind
On the contrary - most ordinary people don’t feel in the least offended, or if you’ll pardon the phrase, tarred by association; it is only those whose job it is to be professionally offended on everyone else’s behalf (whether they want them to or not). I’m only interested in honesty and accuracy.
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The Curmudgeon Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:29:04am |
Why can’t all those oily birds be squeezed to obtain fuel to run our gas-guzzling SUVs?
/yeah, sarc
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lostlakehiker Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:29:14am |
re: #179 tradewind
Reign, feign, etc.
What a paign it must be for foreigners to learn our language.
We ourselves get much of it wrong routinely. Do you need to reign in expenses? Their too high for your income? Are your finances in dire straights? You just need the bank to loan you some money.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:29:16am |
re: #344 darthstar
Bears are largely passive creatures who will leave you alone if you don’t fuck with them (or their cubs). Bang a couple of rocks together, or shout, and they’ll usually run away.
It’s the people who think bears are killing machines that are the biggest hazard in the wild.
Yep. The rule of thumb is to make a fair amount of noise when walking through bear country. They have excellent hearing, and will stay clear of you.
You just do NOT want to surprise them.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:29:24am |
re: #344 darthstar
Bears are largely passive creatures who will leave you alone if you don’t fuck with them (or their cubs). Bang a couple of rocks together, or shout, and they’ll usually run away.
It’s the people who think bears are killing machines that are the biggest hazard in the wild.
I know about bears
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What, me worry? Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:29:50am |
re: #335 tradewind
Righto.
It’s silly to think ’ Bad British! ’ just because of the name of the company. Actually, it never crossed my mind, until I heard the controversy. I hope the British people know that most Americans don’t associate them at all with this.
I love the Brits. I’ve had many British friends over the years and it’s one of my favorite cultures. Very happy, positive people and a hellofa lot of fun to be around.
Only a fool would look at the name “British Petroleum” and say the Brits are bad.
Is it the fault of BP or is it the fault of the regulation that allowed them to have some 700+ violations which were never addressed? Maybe equal shares of both.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:29:56am |
re: #352 Fozzie Bear
Yep. The rule of thumb is to make a fair amount of noise when walking through bear country. They have excellent hearing, and will stay clear of you.
You just do NOT want to surprise them.
BOO!
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:30:32am |
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:30:36am |
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:31:13am |
re: #344 darthstar
I’m sure if you only explain that to the next griz you encounter, he’ll back off and leave you alone . Better yet, repeat in a soothing voice, ’ I am a member of PETA, … my wife has been thinking of joining’.
(paraphrased)
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:31:14am |
re: #249 albusteve
I don’t think BO has any legal authority either…if there is someone might post it
He may not.
But BP has turned over some money.
PR wise, they had no choice.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:31:17am |
I can’t believe I didn’t see the opportunity to make a bear joke given my screen name. I am slipping.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:31:31am |
re: #341 Fozzie Bear
A can opener will work fine for a bear that doesn’t attack. It’s the one that does that’s the problem.
That’s exactly my point. A .38, or a can opener, you might scare it off but you can’t count on winning a kill or be killed fight.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:33:57am |
re: #357 darthstar
Of course you do.
myself and most other outdoorsman or hunters carry no less than .357 as protection…something like a nice Blackhawk
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:34:59am |
re: #360 Fozzie Bear
I can’t believe I didn’t see the opportunity to make a bear joke given my screen name. I am slipping.
bear with us, an opportunity will come up
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:35:33am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:35:39am |
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blueraven Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:35:43am |
re: #359 reine.de.tout
He may not.
But BP has turned over some money.
PR wise, they had no choice.
Also 100 million for oil workers. That should help some, I hope.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:35:48am |
re: #21 HAL2010
Let’s not forget Haliburtons responsibility, or the other American companies that helped build the platform.
Love it how the President constantly called BP by their old name “British Petrolium”. Way to diminish responsibility. And how very convenient, considering BP emply twice as many in the US as in the UK, a majority of shareholders are American, and half of the boardmembers are American.
Saying that, BP have acted like a bunch of assholes.
I have a lot of grief to pass around. But at least its a start.
Oh please. If A builds BP a good platform, and B drills them a good well, and then BP blows off all instructions and warnings and orders full steam ahead damn the risks operations, and those risks bite them, A and B are without blame. We don’t sue the makers of kitchen knives when a domestic dispute brews up into a fatal knifing. The knife cuts. Where it cuts is the responsibility of the owner.
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brookly red Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:36:13am |
re: #360 Fozzie Bear
I can’t believe I didn’t see the opportunity to make a bear joke given my screen name. I am slipping.
/so 3 bears go into a bar…
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:36:22am |
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:36:38am |
re: #360 Fozzie Bear
Or you could look at it this way…. you’re far too sophisticated to reach for the low-hanging fruit./
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What, me worry? Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:36:48am |
re: #356 Fozzie Bear
CHOMP RAWR MANGLE GNAW SNAP CRACKLE
I thought Fozzie Bear just talks in a funny, squeaky voice?
Big, mean, scary bear is not you. Sorry.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:37:05am |
re: #370 tradewind
Or you could look at it this way… you’re far too sophisticated to reach for the low-hanging fruit./
Haha I wish I was.
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brookly red Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:37:42am |
re: #371 marjoriemoon
I thought Fozzie Bear just talks in a funny, squeaky voice?
Big, mean, scary bear is not you. Sorry.
awww Phoo :)
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:39:48am |
Update on the McDill Airbase incident
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:43:50am |
re: #373 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
She’s the nominee. He supported Tarkanian in the primary, who lost. What, he’s going to endorse Reid?
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:46:49am |
re: #378 tradewind
She’s the nominee. He supported Tarkanian in the primary, who lost. What, he’s going to endorse Reid?
There is (or should be) a line somewhere. Angle is waaaay over that line, and supporting her is tacit approval of stepping over that line. The woman is a complete loony. Now, DeMint is too.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:47:16am |
re: #362 albusteve
myself and most other outdoorsman or hunters carry no less than .357 as protection…something like a nice Blackhawk
I like the .357 but my intent isn’t to impress a bear…and the lighter .38. If you’re using a .357 snub then you’re not getting much more power than you would with a .38 (maybe an extra 400fps). Now a .357 magnum load will have considerably more power, but really, who actually needs to carry all that?
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avanti Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:48:02am |
re: #366 blueraven
Also 100 million for oil workers. That should help some, I hope.
I fairly impressed with the deal 20 billion now with no cap. 100 million to help with the drilling suspension, no BP stock dividends for a year, and BP stock is now going up. If the stock regains some of it’s value, BP can cover the spill losses and stay healthy.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:48:22am |
re: #380 darthstar
I like the .357 but my intent isn’t to impress a bear…and the lighter .38. If you’re using a .357 snub then you’re not getting much more power than you would with a .38 (maybe an extra 400fps). Now a .357 magnum load will have considerably more power, but really, who actually needs to carry all that?
You’re more likely to be struck by lightning. This is why I never hike without a lightning rod attached to my head.
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webevintage Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:48:56am |
re: #378 tradewind
She’s the nominee. He supported Tarkanian in the primary, who lost. What, he’s going to endorse Reid?
Maybe just refuse.
I agree with Fozzie that there should be a line of crazy that one just will not cross in the name of your political party.
For heaven’s sake she has used the “second amendment remedy” in interviews.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:49:20am |
re: #380 darthstar
I like the .357 but my intent isn’t to impress a bear…and the lighter .38. If you’re using a .357 snub then you’re not getting much more power than you would with a .38 (maybe an extra 400fps). Now a .357 magnum load will have considerably more power, but really, who actually needs to carry all that?
anybody with any sense, that’s who
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:49:42am |
re: #382 Fozzie Bear
You’re more likely to be struck by lightning. This is why I never hike without a lightning rod attached to my head.
good one
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:51:46am |
re: #384 albusteve
anybody with any sense, that’s who
How many boxes of ammo do you carry with that? You can never be too safe.
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:53:34am |
re: #351 lostlakehiker
Don’t get me started.
Per the song, it’s hard out here for an English minor….
I’d settle for no more your/you’re
their/there/it’s/its mixups.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:55:20am |
re: #386 darthstar
How many boxes of ammo do you carry with that? You can never be too safe.
one speed load+plus 6
3 well placed rounds will knock the shit out of the biggest grizzly
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tradewind Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:58:20am |
re: #383 webevintage
In what context?
I’d love to cherry-pick the goodies from every interview given by every candidate running and see what fun we’d have.
The people of NV ( in the Republican primary) picked her, so unless you believe that collectively they’re dangerously unbalanced, I wouldn’t lose sleep.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:59:55am |
re: #389 tradewind
In what context?
I’d love to cherry-pick the goodies from every interview given by every candidate running and see what fun we’d have.
The people of NV ( in the Republican primary) picked her, so unless you believe that collectively they’re dangerously unbalanced, I wouldn’t lose sleep.
Harry Reid only needs to get about half of Tark’s and Lowden’s votes to cross over and he’s home free. It’ll be interesting to see how many of those voters will go for the teabagger Angle.
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Sionainn Wed, Jun 16, 2010 12:32:02pm |
re: #389 tradewind
The people of NV ( in the Republican primary) picked her, so unless you believe that collectively they’re dangerously unbalanced, I wouldn’t lose sleep.
I’m a native Nevadan. I think we have a lot of “dangerously unbalanced” Republicans here. I’m hoping that it is limited to the usual 25% or so fringe (which is just about the number of Republicans who voted for the governor in the primary). I’m hoping that the rest of them realize what they voted for when they selected Angle. The ads that ran prior to election simply touted Angle as the tea party favorite, a “proven conservative” who would be the only one who had a chance to win against Reid. Not too much of the crazy stuff was out and about, so there is hope that Republicans and Democrats who have had enough of Reid will realize she’s too far out there for them.
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Bagua Wed, Jun 16, 2010 12:55:09pm |
re: #18 Mich-again
Good luck getting golden eggs from a dead goose.
Not that BP has set aside the $75 million statutory limit and offered $20 Billion, in addition to their other costs, does the demonisation of BP stop?
What other company would step up to the plate like this?
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Bagua Wed, Jun 16, 2010 12:56:19pm |
re: #53 reine.de.tout
Not all of this can be claimed, of course, so the state will have to eat losses that cannot be claimed.
Even so, $20 billion will come nowhere close to “making up” the losses here, much less losses in other states.
Those are losses due to the moratorium. That decision is Obama’s, not BP.
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Bagua Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:02:20pm |
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Bagua Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:08:51pm |
re: #211 Rightwingconspirator
How about this quote from your link? Clearly shows BP is critically linked to… Britain.
Even normally sober voices are getting in on the act. The former British ambassador to Washington, Sir Christopher Meyer, told the BBC it was time for Cameron to take on the White House: “The survival and ultimate prosperity of BP is a vital British interest, and I think the time has come to point it out, at a senior level, to the U.S. administration.”
You want your cake and to eat it too.
You seem unaware of the US ownership. US investers are down over $90 Billion, UK investers about $70 Billion. It was the US division, under US regulations and supervision which caused the accident. Also, if you read my posts above you will find that UK pensioners are expecially hard hit.
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Bagua Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:11:02pm |
re: #255 JasonA
So…
How much BP stock do you own, out of curiosity?
How much do you own? Do you have an IRA or Mutual Fund? Chances are you own BP.
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Bagua Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:17:01pm |
re: #332 lostlakehiker
The larger the solar footprint, the less chance that cloudy weather in one state will disrupt the overall supply. Wind power too is subject to interruption, but the risks are complementary. Nice, quiet sunny days alternate with blustery, cloudy, rainy days. Either way, one or the other alternate energy source is working.
Consumption of electric power can to a considerable extent be aligned with supply. It’s exactly when the sun is high and bright that we have the greatest demand for air conditioning. Many electricity uses are not time critical. It doesn’t much matter which hour of the night your electric car is recharged in, for instance, and heating, refrigeration, and air conditioning are not that sensitive to interruptions of a half hour here and there.
The price of coal-fired electricity is higher than the price at the meter, because the utilities and customers now get to treat the side effects of the extra atmospheric CO2 as externalities. Factor that in and solar electricity becomes more nearly competitive.
R&D is still needed, because solar isn’t quite there yet. So agreed, we should not move to full-scale deployment just yet.
Exactly. Though in some locations and at a small enough percentage to avoid destabilising the grid, it does have applications. The money should be going to research at this point, to close the gap and result in solar technology that makes sense economically independent of subsidy.
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simoom Wed, Jun 16, 2010 2:02:45pm |
re: #286 abolitionist
I read some unfavorable reviews of v 10.1, and rolled back via System Restore. Was having troubles with some of HULU’s ads stalling.
I experienced that with the 10.1 release candidates. Sounds like they never fixed whatever the bug was (I haven’t installed 10.1 final yet).
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