Bay News 9 Profiles an Alternate Reality Version of LGF

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It’s always nice to see Little Green Footballs featured on a local news show; but it would be hard to imagine how a reporter could get things any more wrong than Al Ruechel does in this confused piece for Florida’s BayNews9.

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For example:

Don’t expect to hear both sides of any issue. For example he allows folks to bash the President and Glenn Beck at the same time.

Uh … if I “allow” folks to “bash the President and Glenn Beck at the same time,” doesn’t that mean you should expect to hear both sides of an issue?

This muddled tone is maintained throughout the segment, and Ruechel even says twice that I think my opinions are “the only right ones” — a weird assertion that seems to be based on nothing at all. Of course, like any other human being, if I express an opinion it’s because I think it has merit — I’m not in the habit of expressing opinions that I think aren’t correct. But the “only right ones?” Where did that come from?

Ruechel even seems to think LGF promotes conspiracy theories. If he actually read anything at LGF, I don’t see how he could possibly believe this. One of the core principles of LGF is zero tolerance for conspiracy theories; we debunk them, we don’t promote them.

And another odd statement:

The big issue lately is doctored photos. He uncovered the infamous shot of a dead child supposedly killed by Israeli troops… wrong. It was a staged shot.

He seems to be referring to the Mohammed Al-Dura incident, but LGF had nothing to do with “uncovering” that particular story.

But anyway, thanks for getting my name and the name of my blog correct, Mr Ruechel.

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322 comments
1 pharmmajor  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 9:55:47am

Ah, so wonderful to see the media continuing it’s high reporting standards. *sarcasm drips off page*

Hopefully they will air a correction soon, Charles.

2 Racer X  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 9:56:19am

This is journalism?

3 garhighway  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 9:58:51am

re: #2 Racer X

This is journalism?

It’s local tee-wee.

Which is most decidely NOT journalism.

4 MysticSmoke (from finger tips)  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 9:59:36am

The MSM, LOL.

5 pharmmajor  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:00:06am

re: #3 garhighway

It’s local tee-wee.

Which is most decidely NOT journalism.

“Our top story, a baby manatee was born at the local aquarium. And… something about a massive oil spill in the gulf, but that’s our end segment.”

6 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:01:04am
He seems to be referring to the Mohammed Al-Dura incident, but LGF had nothing to do with “uncovering” that particular story.

I think he’s might be talking about Green Helmet and Adnan Hajj, and he seems to be getting them confused.

7 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:02:02am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

I think he’s might be talking about Green Helmet and Adnan Hajj, and he seems to be getting them confused.

I am convinced he was born confused.

8 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:02:38am

“Little Green Footballs is a political type blog” I don’t have “political type” in my list of fonts. Is Bay9 trying to get picked up as a Fox affiliate?

9 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:03:05am

re: #2 Racer X

This is journalism?

No. I think it’s pretty obvious that this guy doesn’t even really understand blogs in general much less anything about LGF. It’s looks like he scrolled around for about 15 minutes one day as his “research”.

10 researchok  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:03:40am

He has no idea what he is talking about.

And he seems perfectly comfortable with that.

11 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:04:05am

“His political cartoons [shows old work by Cox and Forkum] seem designed to offend, definitely pro-Israel.”

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

12 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:04:51am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

No. I think it’s pretty obvious that this guy doesn’t even really understand blogs in general much less anything about LGF. It’s looks like he scrolled around for about 15 minutes one day as his “research”.

More likely an assistant did the ‘research’. Or so I would like to imagine.

13 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:05:09am

I missed the point of this segment…is there a reason for this story?

14 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:06:11am

Modern journalists are getting lazy; if they can’t find it on Wikipedia in 5 minutes, then it’s not in the report. But this guy doesn’t even seem to have put that much effort into research.

15 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:06:53am

re: #13 albusteve

I missed the point of this segment…is there a reason for this story?

Nope. It’s as pointless as all the others.

/

16 pharmmajor  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:09:08am

re: #11 wrenchwench

“His political cartoons [shows old work by Cox and Forkum] seem designed to offend, definitely pro-Israel.”

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Most likely that he believes any support of Israel is “offensive”.

17 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:09:19am

Back in the middle 90’s, I use to write for a magazine dedicated to collecting pre-columbian artifacts. I had a column called “Caught in the Net” which was sort of a specialized “google” where I was the search filter finding interesting website for readers to visit, websites dealing with this subject.

I was explaining a new technology to a new audience, holding their hands in the scary world of hyperlinks. It was a service, a teaching experience for the reader, a guide to a whole new world.

Al Ruechel sounds like he’s talking to an audience which is “back in the 90’s.” Honestly, he acts like he just found this wonderful thing called the internet.

18 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:09:30am

Article:

…I think my opinions are “the only right ones”

I’ve got a King, a two, and a six. Think I should hit or stay, Charles?

//

19 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:10:01am
Ruechel even seems to think LGF promotes conspiracy theories.

Heh. Dumbass.

Hey, how long does it take for everyone else’s Soros checks to arrive…?

/

20 Mongo only pawn... in game of life.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:10:17am

This is called fill. He did no homework. Maybe he’s confused? Like he’s trying to figure out what you are selling. After all, TeeBee is filled with shills and frills and stone cold idiots who sell something every day wrapped up as truth. Lots a cofusin out dere.

21 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:12:15am

As my Mum used to earnestly say before she became more computer-savvy; “have tried checking the Google?”

22 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:12:28am

re: #20 nines09

This is called fill. He did no homework. Maybe he’s confused? Like he’s trying to figure out what you are selling. After all, TeeBee is filled with shills and frills and stone cold idiots who sell something every day wrapped up as truth. Lots a cofusin out dere.


And that is why I rarely watch tv.

23 Racer X  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:13:14am

re: #11 wrenchwench

“His political cartoons [shows old work by Cox and Forkum] seem designed to offend, definitely pro-Israel.”

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

I think this man is completely confused. The anti right-wing tone caught his eye, but then the pro-Israel side pissed him off. His head exploded due to the atypical commentary here.

24 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:13:40am

Is this guy related to RicRomero?

25 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:14:48am

ACK! PIMF! Sorry!

*Slinks away, head down*

26 Boogberg  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:15:27am

That must be a cable channel. The real channel 9 (WFTV) is in the Orlando area.

27 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:16:07am

has sort of an onion flavor to it

28 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:16:32am

New theory - lgf has been vilified by both the extreme left and the extreme right. He probably read up on lgf on equally crazy, yet ideologically polar opposite blogs in order to produce a suitably “balanced” report. Suffice to say he failed. (Although I suppose that the fact that his head has yet to explode can be counted as some measure of success.)

29 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:16:47am

I also get the impression that he is trying to show how hip he is by doing a hard-hitting report on the newly discovered phenomenon that some people have been calling the “blogosphere”

30 abolitionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:17:40am

I sounds like a large fraction of his research about LGF was lifted from various sites hostile to LGF.

31 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:17:49am

re: #28 Sand Panda

New theory - lgf has been vilified by both the extreme left and the extreme right. He probably read up on lgf on equally crazy, yet ideologically polar opposite blogs in order to produce a suitably “balanced” report. Suffice to say he failed. (Although I suppose that the fact that his head has yet to explode can be counted as some measure of success.)

I dunno. Doesn’t a head ‘splosion require something to actually be in the head/

32 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:19:09am

re: #30 abolitionist

I sounds like a large fraction of his research about LGF was lifted from various sites hostile to LGF.

Probably but I can’t really accuse him of malice. He just doesn’t understand the subject he’s reporting on.

33 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:19:19am

re: #24 SteveC

Is this guy related to RicRomero?

Captain Obvious.

34 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:19:42am

So, in this alternate reality, do all LGF members sport goatees and wear a lot of black leather?

35 Judith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:19:46am

re: #11 wrenchwench

Well anyone who is proIsrael is just offensive period, right?

36 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:20:37am

re: #29 ralphieboy

In order to maintain the attention of the all-important youth demographic, try randomly inserting internet references into news reports.

/In order to (LOL cat!) maintain the attention (Twitter!) of the all-important youth demographic, try (rick rolling!) randomly inserting internet references into (all your base!) news reports.

37 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:20:43am

re: #33 MandyManners

Captain Obvious.

Isn’t his sidekick Major Misunderstanding? :)

(Afternoon, Mandy!)

38 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:21:31am

re: #34 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, in this alternate reality, do all LGF members sport goatees and wear a lot of black leather?

I thought that’s what you all looked like in this reality…

39 Judith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:21:44am

I have to admit I mostly dissolved in derisive laughter watching this. It’s kind of like the expression my Grandson gets when he tries to explain zombies to me.

40 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:21:45am

re: #37 SteveC

Isn’t his sidekick Major Misunderstanding? :)

(Afternoon, Mandy!)

Better than Major PIA.

How’s it going, Steve?

41 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:22:33am

The blog this guy is talking about only exists in his mind.

But thanks for the free advertising.

If we were a car lot, our salesmen would be inundated with questions about our fine selection of four-wheel drive motorcycles.

42 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:22:37am

re: #38 JasonA

I thought that’s what you all looked like in this reality…

I shaved off my goatee.

43 philosophus invidius  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:23:21am

His hair tells you pretty much everything you need to know about his reporting.

44 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:23:35am

re: #38 JasonA

I thought that’s what you all looked like in this reality…

I’ll cop to the goatee, but I draw the line at black leather. Unless it is rich Corinthian leather.

45 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:24:10am

re: #42 MandyManners

I shaved off my goatee.


And the first risque comment is posted!

46 Dekar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:24:17am

No standards for reporters these days

47 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:24:20am

And this just in to Eye-Witless News….

16 Topless Dancers Facing Exposure Charges

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Six women have been arrested and authorities said they are searching for 10 others as part of an investigation of indecent exposure at eight strip clubs in Mecklenburg County.

Mecklenburg County Alcohol Beverage Control Commission officials and officers from the Pineville Police Department completed the undercover compliance investigation over a six-month period.

It took them six months to figure this out?!?!

48 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:24:36am

More right wing stink bombs dropped at the ends of dead threads last night, I see.

Defending Joe Barton even after he himself apologized. This isn’t just stupidity, it’s determined, willful stupidity.

49 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:24:36am

re: #43 philosophus invidius

Is it emitting rays of any kind, perchance?
/

50 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:25:16am

re: #47 SteveC

And this just in to Eye-Witless News…

16 Topless Dancers Facing Exposure Charges

It took them six months to figure this out?!?!

Lots of research is necessary…

51 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:25:33am

re: #44 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’ll cop to the goatee, but I draw the line at black leather. Unless it is rich Corinthian leather.

Stubble for me. I can’t get the goatee to connect properly.

52 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:25:47am

re: #40 MandyManners

How’s it going, Steve?

Busy as can be, but doing great! Hope you are well!

53 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:25:54am

re: #48 Charles

More right wing stink bombs dropped at the ends of dead threads last night, I see.

Defending Joe Barton even after he himself apologized. This isn’t just stupidity, it’s determined, willful stupidity.

Kind of surprised you haven’t blocked him yet, actually.

54 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:26:18am

re: #48 Charles

More right wing stink bombs dropped at the ends of dead threads last night, I see.

Defending Joe Barton even after he himself apologized. This isn’t just stupidity, it’s determined, willful stupidity.

The only way Barton’s apology makes sense in their minds is if he was forced into it, that he doesn’t really believe it, and that he was “right” from the beginning. Remember, these are folks who think the GOP is run by “RINOs” and that they’re “taking it back.”

55 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:27:39am

re: #44 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’ll cop to the goatee, but I draw the line at black leather. Unless it is rich Corinthian leather.

De plane, boss, de plane! I’ll get the Cordoba and we’ll drive down to the airfield!

56 Racer X  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:28:08am

re: #47 SteveC

And this just in to Eye-Witless News…

16 Topless Dancers Facing Exposure Charges

It took them six months to figure this out?!?!

Topless dancers exposing themselves? At a strip club?

I’m shocked. Shocked I say!

57 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:30:00am

re: #55 SteveC

De plane, boss, de plane! I’ll get the Cordoba and we’ll drive down to the airfield!

That car is a Muslim car… and Sharia compliant.

58 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:30:10am

re: #56 Racer X

Topless dancers exposing themselves? At a strip club?

I’m shocked. Shocked I say!

I find it hard to believe too. Why don’t we get together later and go see if it is true?

59 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:31:33am

Could this guy have been more incompetent in his reporting or in editorializing?

Like most blogs he’s heavy on interview videos from around the world and conspiracy theories that are submitted to his website.

Video is a big deal these days and debunking/fisking video is a full time job. (this reporter knows what fisking is, doesn’t he? or is he ignorant of that term too?)

Conspiracy theories that are submitted to his site?

Are you confusing lgf with Prison Planet or any of the other sites that actively promote conspiracy theories from 9/11 trooferism to birtherism and all the rest?

LGF debunks the conspiracies - left or right. That’s why I stick around here. Charles cuts through the crap and puts stuff in plain English. Doesn’t mean I always agree with Charles, but hey if everyone always agreed, it would get rather boring.

Oh, and if this “reporter” did any actual research, he’d know that Charles was involved in debunking the Rathergate files and the Reuters fauxtography from the Hizbullah war (the doctored photos and all the rest) - and not the al Dura video.

Sheesh. This “reporter” couldn’t have gotten things more horribly wrong.

But as you say Charles - at least they got the link right.

60 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:31:56am

re: #56 Racer X

Topless dancers exposing themselves? At a strip club?

I’m shocked. Shocked I say!

I wonder if the names of the clubs were their first clue?

Mecklenburg County Alcohol Beverage Control Commission officials and officers from the Pineville Police Department completed the undercover compliance investigation over a six-month period. It included Crazy Horse, the Paper Doll Lounge, Gentlemen’s Club, Gold Club, Uptown Cabaret, Leather & Lace South, Leather & Lace North and Baby Dolls.

Or maybe it was the lack of clothes.

61 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:32:18am

re: #47 SteveC

Well, they just had to make sure. Investigate fully and completely. Eyewitness testimony is *critical* in these cases, don’t you know.

62 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:32:28am

Later Lizards; going to go watch the part one of the Dr Who season finale.

63 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:33:37am

I looked for Henley’s Dirty Laundry but it’s been jerked from YouTube. I found this, though.


64 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:34:38am

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

Leather & Lace South, Leather & Lace North

Lingerie Civil War!

65 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:36:43am

Also — what browser was he using for those screenshots - IE5?

I haven’t seen such a crappy rendering of the LGF page in a long time.

66 rwdflynavy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:38:31am

re: #39 Judith

I have to admit I mostly dissolved in derisive laughter watching this. It’s kind of like the expression my Grandson gets when he tries to explain zombies to me.

Zombies are no laughing matter!!!!
//

67 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:38:57am

re: #65 Charles

Also — what browser was he using for those screenshots - IE5?

You remember that piece of mess that they used to call America Online? I think we found the last one still in the wild!

68 Steevlak  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:39:17am

Did anyone else see that photo of Charles holding all that cash? I can’t believe he asks for donations.

69 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:39:33am

re: #65 Charles

Also — what browser was he using for those screenshots - IE5?

Netscape;)

70 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:41:09am

re: #69 Aceofwhat?

Netscape;)

I was going to come back with CompuServe, but I don’t think he’s bright enough to use that.

71 Skeetghazi  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:41:13am

re: #46 Dekar

Your avatar deserves another upding.

72 Boogberg  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:41:31am

re: #65 Charles

I wanted to leave a comment telling him what a crappy report that is, but I don’t see a provision for it.

73 kahn_mann  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:41:42am

No offense intended, but I’d say that the “the only right ones” could stem from the way you characterize anyone who doesn’t buy into manmade global warming and people that disagree with you on the topic of religion.

74 rwdflynavy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:43:47am

re: #73 kahn_mann

You obviously don’t read or comprehend much here.

75 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:44:37am

re: #73 kahn_mann

Excuse me, but you seem to be in a state of anguish. I’ll call the waahmbulance for you.

76 SixDegrees  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:44:37am
77 kahn_mann  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:45:01am

Posted too quickly…

Many of those charges were false - you do look at both sides of most issues, and you do a wonderful job of debunking most conspiracy theories no matter if they lean right or left.

78 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:45:47am

re: #74 rwdflynavy

You obviously don’t read or comprehend much here.

When someone starts a sentence with “No offense intended…” things probably won’t go well.

79 rwdflynavy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:46:11am

re: #78 SteveC

When someone starts a sentence with “No offense intended…” things probably won’t go well.

With all due respect….

80 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:46:13am

re: #73 kahn_mann

No offense intended, but I’d say that the “the only right ones” could stem from the way you characterize anyone who doesn’t buy into manmade global warming and people that disagree with you on the topic of religion.

You mean Charles has an opinion… whoo… that’s terrible. And of course, no one here has ever questioned his opinion on AGW or other topics…

81 rwdflynavy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:47:20am

for the grammar nazis out there…

82 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:47:47am

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

You mean Charles has an opinion… whoo… that’s terrible. And of course, no one here has ever questioned his opinion on AGW or other topics…

JAMESFIRECAT… stop agreeing with me… it makes me look bad.

83 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:48:17am

re: #79 rwdflynavy

With all due respect…

Et tu, Brute? :)

84 Drogheda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:49:17am

re: #65 Charles

Also — what browser was he using for those screenshots - IE5?

I haven’t seen such a crappy rendering of the LGF page in a long time.

Looks like Internet Explorer 6. IE5 doesn’t have the garishly colored buttons.

85 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:49:52am

re: #7 Cathypop

I am convinced he was born confused.

No, I think he’s taking lessons.

86 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:50:32am

re: #77 kahn_mann

Posted too quickly…

Many of those charges were false - you do look at both sides of most issues, and you do a wonderful job of debunking most conspiracy theories no matter if they lean right or left.

Well that was nice of you coming here judging Charles.. Who do you think you are Simon Cowell and this is American Idol or something?
Start small and work your way up….

87 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:54:42am

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

JAMESFIRECAT… stop agreeing with me… it makes me look bad.

What, I’m not even on this thread!

88 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:54:49am

re: #73 kahn_mann

people that disagree with you on the topic of religion.

uhhh…excuse me…you’ll hardly find a more fair host on the topic of religion.

wtf are you talking about?

89 rwdflynavy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:55:15am

re: #87 jamesfirecat

What, I’m not even on this thread!

WALTER CAN READ MINDS111!!!!!

90 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:55:55am

re: #88 Aceofwhat?

uhhh…excuse me…you’ll hardly find a more fair host on the topic of religion.

wtf are you talking about?

Probably an offended creationist. Global warming denial often goes hand in hand with creationism.

91 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:56:51am

I won’t make a call on which way Ruechel leans and how that might affect how he portrays LGF, but I looked at his bio on the News 9 site which led me to his church’s web site. Their recommended links page had a link to “Al Ruechel’s Commentary on the Glenn Beck Site”. Whatever had been on the Beck site has been scrubbed, so I googled their names together and got some, umm, interesting results. I don’t want to spoil the fun, so I’ll let you guys dig around on your own, if you’re so inclined.

[Link: www.google.com…]

92 rwdflynavy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:58:26am

re: #91 CuriousLurker

Glenn Beck Butthurt!!

93 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:58:49am

re: #56 Racer X

Topless dancers exposing themselves? At a strip club?

I’m shocked. Shocked I say!

Last time our little golf group passed through Charlotte G-strings were required for all dancers.

I can safely say the professional young lady who danced for us did not over-expose herself despite our cash incentives offered.

94 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:59:22am

re: #92 rwdflynavy

Glenn Beck Butthurt!!

Oh crap, we got Glenn Beck on our six!

95 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:59:27am

re: #90 Charles

Probably an offended creationist. Global warming denial often goes hand in hand with creationism.

Which is funny. Because i’m a Christian who is exceedingly intolerant of creationists.

96 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:00:55am

re: #33 MandyManners

Captain Obvious.

There actually is one … right here.

97 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:04:29am

re: #91 CuriousLurker

I won’t make a call on which way Ruechel leans and how that might affect how he portrays LGF, but I looked at his bio on the News 9 site which led me to his church’s web site. Their recommended links page had a link to “Al Ruechel’s Commentary on the Glenn Beck Site”. Whatever had been on the Beck site has been scrubbed, so I googled their names together and got some, umm, interesting results. I don’t want to spoil the fun, so I’ll let you guys dig around on your own, if you’re so inclined.

[Link: www.google.com…]

He seems to be a fan.

98 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:05:19am

re: #76 SixDegrees

Off topic - Jenny McCarthy Leaves a Trail of Dead Babies.

She’s one of the worst things to come out of Chicago. At the rate she’s going she’ll leave a bigger trail of bodies than fellow South Sider Al Capone.

99 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:05:25am

re: #96 Gang of One

There actually is one … right here.

Bless his heart.

100 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:06:16am

re: #95 Aceofwhat?

Which is funny. Because i’m a Christian who is exceedingly intolerant of creationists.

But didn’t Jesus, aka God, create the universe?

101 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:07:01am

re: #77 kahn_mann

Posted too quickly…

Many of those charges were false - you do look at both sides of most issues, and you do a wonderful job of debunking most conspiracy theories no matter if they lean right or left.

That’s a quick retreat, but a very wise one.

102 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:07:22am

re: #100 RayGunIsDead

But didn’t Jesus, aka God, create the universe?

We all create the universe, every second of our existence.

103 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:07:40am

re: #100 RayGunIsDead

But didn’t Jesus, aka God, create the universe?

I believe so but, we were given the brains to figure out the process.

104 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:08:25am

Here’s the thing — as someone who was a debater in high school and college, one of the most annoying arguments anyone can possibly make is “you think you’re the only one who’s right.”

Of course if I express an opinion I think I’m right. Why else would I say it?

Don’t come back with this pitifully weak non-argument. Make your own argument. That’s how you earn respect. Not by whining.

105 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:09:01am

re: #100 RayGunIsDead

… and with a Karma of -9 at two days of age, you aren’t far behind.

106 Drogheda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:09:48am

re: #97 MandyManners

He seems to be a fan.

More than a fan. Looks like Al Ruechel had a recurring column on Glenn Bleck’s site. It appears the columns are no longer in Glenn’s archive.

107 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:11:37am

re: #97 MandyManners

He seems to be a fan.

Kinda looks that way, doesn’t it? It also looks like someone has been trying to put some distance between him & Beck since around 2004. I wonder if he’s a Freeper? Did you see those links?

108 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:12:46am

re: #104 re: #106 Drogheda

More than a fan. Looks like Al Ruechel had a recurring column on Glenn Bleck’s site. It appears the columns are no longer in Glenn’s archive.

Hmm. Maybe they had a parting of the ways or perhaps they were written while Beck was at CNN and had to be scrubbed when he moved to Fox.

109 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:12:58am

re: #100 RayGunIsDead

But didn’t Jesus, aka God, create the universe?

What if I said no?

110 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:13:08am

re: #102 ryannon

We all create the universe, every second of our existence.

Nice.

Pantheist and Unitarian at the same time.

111 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:13:29am

re: #104 Charles

Here’s the thing — as someone who was a debater in high school and college, one of the most annoying arguments anyone can possibly make is “you think you’re the only one who’s right.”

Of course if I express an opinion I think I’m right. Why else would I say it?

Don’t come back with this pitifully weak non-argument. Make your own argument. That’s how you earn respect. Not by whining.

It’s easier to whine.

112 SteveC  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:15:07am

re: #109 Charles

What if I said no?

Charles could have created the universe if his bid had been accepted!

113 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:15:19am

re: #111 MandyManners

It’s easier to whine.

Indeed. Reasoned argument is teh hard.

114 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:16:07am

re: #109 Charles

What if I said no?

I’d say I agree with you.

115 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:18:43am

IMHO watching TV news permanently damages your brain.

116 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:19:39am

Good move from a local SC GOP precinct - they voted to censure crazy man Jake “F-ing [bigoted word]” Knotts.


In response to the censure, Knotts said he “could care less” and would not resign. In a separate interview, he said the censure was “all politics,” and warned that libertarians had “infiltrated” the party. He said he had not called Haley to personally apologize, and that the “press has given Nikki Haley a free ride.” When a reporter asked where the press had failed to hold her accountable, Knotts said, “have you ever asked her if she believes in Jesus Christ as her lord and savior and that he died on the cross for her sins? Have you ever asked her that?”

link to story

117 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:20:05am

re: #111 MandyManners

It’s easier to whine.

And it goes great with cheese.

118 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:20:36am

re: #109 Charles

One can say yes, or no,

It doesn’t matter.

Where’d you get the coconuts ?

119 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:21:12am

re: #109 Charles

What if I said no?

I’d say that’s your opinion.
//

120 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:21:16am

re: #116 Linden Arden

Good move from a local SC GOP precinct - they voted to censure crazy man Jake “F-ing [bigoted word]” Knotts.

link to story

He’s still nuts. Thankfully, he’s getting a much deserved kick to the curb. Of course, if Mandy were doing the kicking his voice would jump several octaves.

121 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:21:48am

re: #77 kahn_mann

Posted too quickly…

Many of those charges were false - you do look at both sides of most issues, and you do a wonderful job of debunking most conspiracy theories no matter if they lean right or left.

I’m taking this backpedal with a grain of salt because I looked at the comments you have posted before.
But a persons’ opinions are his own, and he has the right to them..
Carry on.

122 The Curmudgeon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:22:01am

re: #73 kahn_mann

No offense intended, but I’d say that the “the only right ones” could stem from the way you characterize anyone who doesn’t buy into manmade global warming and people that disagree with you on the topic of religion.

That’s odd. Charles knows I’m not orthodox LGF on global warming, yet somehow I seem to survive around here.

123 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:22:24am

We found them

In Mercia?

/ hey it’s Saturday already

124 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:23:14am

re: #116 Linden Arden

Good move from a local SC GOP precinct - they voted to censure crazy man Jake “F-ing [bigoted word]” Knotts.

link to story

And people wonder why most Jews don’t vote GOP.

125 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:24:30am

re: #100 RayGunIsDead

But didn’t Jesus, aka God, create the universe?

Sure. Big Bang = “let there be light”.

But evolution (and every other natural process that we discover through hard work and proper scientific methods) is a testament to the beauty of the universe rather than an evil plot to undermine someone’s dim view of God.

Follow?

126 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:24:56am

OT:

Elena Kagan’s notes from the Clinton years may cause her trouble:

Kagan notes label KKK and NRA as ‘bad guy’ organizations

A conservative magazine suggests Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan is “hostile” to gun owners, based on notes she wrote in the Clinton White House in 1996.

The notes were released last week by the William J. Clinton Presidential Library. Kagan worked in the White House Counsel’s office in 1995 and 1996. Kagan, 50, was nominated to the high court May 10 by President Obama, and her confirmation hearings begin June 28.

The disclosure coincided with the release Friday afternoon of about 80,000 more documents.

A March 1996 document is likely to stir conservative anger. In it, she labeled the Ku Klux Klan and the National Rifle Association as “bad guy” organizations.

The issue was a pending bill, the Volunteer Protection Act, which gave some volunteer workers from a range of nonprofits a measure of liability protection from lawsuits. Kagan expressed concern that certain groups might be included in a “Cumulative List” of tax-exempt groups that would be covered under the proposed law.

Kagan addressed her handwritten thoughts, based on a conversation with Clinton aide Fran Allegra, who responded that day that neither the KKK nor the NRA was on the list provided by the Internal Revenue Service. Allegra gently advised his colleague, “We probably need to be careful about suggesting ‘bad’ organizations will qualify for the provision bill as it would suggest we are allowing ‘bad’ organizations to qualify for tax-exempt status.” The measure was passed into law in 1997, but ultimately vetoed by Congress. Allegra is now a federal judge.

Please note: This is a CNN story, not from Fox News.

127 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:27:30am

re: #125 Aceofwhat?

Sure. Big Bang = “let there be light”.

But evolution (and every other natural process that we discover through hard work and proper scientific methods) is a testament to the beauty of the universe rather than an evil plot to undermine someone’s dim view of God.

Follow?

Kindof.

I can believe in Einsteins God, and Jeffersons, ie, God created the universe and walked off, but that’s about as far as I can go.

128 jerk  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:27:43am

Baffling. Maybe he has a different definition of “conspiracy theory” - no, no… that’s just stupid.

129 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:28:59am

Good afternoon!
I am wondering if the reporter who is the subject of the thread at some time changed his name from Magoo to Reuchel

130 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:29:02am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

OT:

Elena Kagan’s notes from the Clinton years may cause her trouble:

Kagan notes label KKK and NRA as ‘bad guy’ organizations


Please note: This is a CNN story, not from Fox News.

She equated the two?

131 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:29:06am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Hmm. Maybe they had a parting of the ways or perhaps they were written while Beck was at CNN and had to be scrubbed when he moved to Fox.

What strikes me as odd is that a senior anchor who’s won Emmys for investigative reporting and is in charge of a the station’s weekly web segment would put together a piece that’s not terribly accurate. Did he think he wouldn’t be googled?

132 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:29:24am

It seems the concept of God is so difficult to many…
I believe God created the laws of Nature and for 14 billion years Nature has followed those rules…
When you walk past a Rose Bush and say ’ Isn’t that a beautiful Rose God Created?’ No he didn’t.. God created the laws that allowed nature to develop into a rose bush.. Like all things in the Universe all nature develops such as life..Darwin had it right…
So no God didn’t create that Rose..He made the rules that allowed life to grow..And a rose bloom…
I know God exists in my heart…But religion is mostly wrong headed and corrupt…

133 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:29:59am

re: #127 RayGunIsDead

Aquinas wrote some stuff, too. I haven’t looked into it, but they tell me it’s good.

134 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:30:06am

Afternoon Lizards. See that our Host has once again seen to the needs of his scaly minions dietary requirements.

135 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:30:12am

re: #105 SteveC

… and with a Karma of -9 at two days of age, you aren’t far behind.

One by one
It comes to us all
It’s as soft as your pillow

136 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:30:23am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

OT:

Elena Kagan’s notes from the Clinton years may cause her trouble:

Kagan notes label KKK and NRA as ‘bad guy’ organizations

Please note: This is a CNN story, not from Fox News.

Saw this yesterday on the NRO website.

137 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:31:37am

re: #127 RayGunIsDead

Kindof.

I can believe in Einsteins God, and Jeffersons, ie, God created the universe and walked off, but that’s about as far as I can go.

Go as far as you want. That’s still a fun discussion, but personal. What is not personal is the cold truth that evolution, properly understood, requires no adjustment of faith. Well…at least not for Christians. I don’t want to put words in others’ mouths.

138 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:31:43am

re: #127 RayGunIsDead

Kindof.

I can believe in Einsteins God, and Jeffersons, ie, God created the universe and walked off, but that’s about as far as I can go.

Too bad… what informs you of your belief in a god? When you were young, just learning, were you born with a full knowledge of god or did you develop that knowledge from some source? And if so, what was that source?

139 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:32:57am

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

Too bad… what informs you of your belief in a god? When you were young, just learning, were you born with a full knowledge of god or did you develop that knowledge from some source? And if so, what was that source?

To all the other Lizards… I’m sorry… don’t worry, I have to go to work in an hour. An eight hour shift, the day before Fathers Day… should be a breeze… not!

140 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:33:46am

re: #132 HoosierHoops

Amen to that Hoosier.

141 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:34:42am

re: #136 Gang of One

Saw this yesterday on the NRO website.

True, but I wanted to give the CNN link so it would just get labeled an “Outrageous Outrage”. This seems to me to be partially a bad choice of words, but also someone who is hostile to guns. Forgiveness should be forthcoming; Instead the GOP should pound her as a gun-grabber. It’ll fire the faithful up while putting pressure on moderate Dems to vote against her. She’ll still be confirmed but it’ll hurt the Dems rather than help them.

142 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:35:23am

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

Too bad… what informs you of your belief in a god? When you were young, just learning, were you born with a full knowledge of god or did you develop that knowledge from some source? And if so, what was that source?

Interesting question. Helen Keller reported that she knew of God before she knew a language….she was probably indoctrinated….

143 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:36:33am

Lorenzago di Cadore, Jul 26, 2007 / 09:52 am (CNA).- The debate between creationism and evolution is an “absurdity” since evolution can coexist with faith, said Pope Benedict XVI this week while vacationing in the mountains of northern Italy.

While there is much scientific proof to support evolution, the theory cannot exclude a role by God, he said according to MSNBC News.

“They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the Pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”

However, evolution does not answer all of the great philosophical questions, he said, including: Where does everything come from?
Link

BBL

144 Yukon Digger  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:36:36am

The reason I love this website is because I hear both sides of the story. LGF is the most intelligent USA blog there is.

145 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:37:11am

Oops, too much bold.

Sorry


BBL

146 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:37:40am

re: #132 HoosierHoops

Deism, pretty much. You’re in good company with Jefferson, Paine, and Madison.

Don’t tell Glenn Beck though. He depends on deception for his Founding Fathers routine.

147 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:38:08am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

True, but I wanted to give the CNN link so it would just get labeled an “Outrageous Outrage”. This seems to me to be partially a bad choice of words, but also someone who is hostile to guns. Forgiveness should be forthcoming; Instead the GOP should pound her as a gun-grabber. It’ll fire the faithful up while putting pressure on moderate Dems to vote against her. She’ll still be confirmed but it’ll hurt the Dems rather than help them.

I don’t think it’s necessarily “hostile to gun owners” to believe the NRA is a bad actor. As an organization, they support a host of extreme right wing causes.

You can believe in the 2nd amendment without being an NRA member.

148 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:38:32am

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

Too bad… what informs you of your belief in a god? When you were young, just learning, were you born with a full knowledge of god or did you develop that knowledge from some source? And if so, what was that source?

When I was a little kid..I dunno…I can’t remember why or who..But I knew there was a God in my heart…I don’t know why Walter..I just know…
And I am such a critic of some religions…As an Altar Boy I have posted scathing things here about the Church…
And I stand by what I have posted..It doesn’t mean I don’t love God with my whole heart.. I just hate the church..pretty much

149 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:38:43am

re: #133 swamprat

Aquinas is very good, check out the “Summa”.

BBL really

150 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:38:45am

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

“Too bad… what informs you of your belief in a god?”

Einstein and Jefferson and my gut (very unlike w’s gut) informs me. In my opinion, a personal God, no way.

151 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:40:01am

re: #144 Yukon Digger

The reason I love this website is because I hear both sides of the story. LGF is the most intelligent USA blog there is.

We do OK for group of wingnut conspiracy nuts.
I lost track; are we right-wing, or left-wing?

152 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:40:38am

re: #151 swamprat

We do OK for group of wingnut conspiracy nuts.
I lost track; are we right-wing, or left-wing?

Fixed-wing. We hover a lot …

153 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:41:25am

re: #152 Gang of One

Fixed Rotary-wing. We hover a lot …

FTFY

154 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:41:27am

re: #152 Gang of One

Fixed-wing. We hover a lot …

Wait … that would be rotary-wing, or something …
//I’ll shut up now.

155 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:41:59am

re: #153 Bubblehead II

FTFY

Two seconds apart!

156 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:42:00am

re: #154 Gang of One

Wait … that would be rotary-wing, or something …
//I’ll shut up now.

Too late. :-)

157 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:42:01am

re: #152 Gang of One

Or, we’re gas bags, like blimps, and we just float above it all.

158 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:43:12am

re: #150 RayGunIsDead

Einstein and Jefferson and my gut (very unlike w’s gut) informs me. In my opinion, a personal God, no way.

And you’re quite entitled to your opinion. OTOH, your reading list could stand to be expanded a bit.

159 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:44:03am

re: #157 Ojoe

Or, we’re gas bags, like blimps, and we just float above it all.

That works as well.

//Besides, we know all of us are just full of hotair.

160 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:44:08am

re: #150 RayGunIsDead

“Too bad… what informs you of your belief in a god?”

Einstein and Jefferson and my gut (very unlike w’s gut) informs me. In my opinion, a personal God, no way.

You mean you were born, were never given any religious instruction in any sort of faith, and you knew god existed right from the beginning?

If so, who told you that god created the universe?

161 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:44:57am

re: #150 RayGunIsDead

“Too bad… what informs you of your belief in a god?”

Einstein and Jefferson and my gut (very unlike w’s gut) informs me. In my opinion, a personal God, no way.

Whose gut?

162 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:45:22am

re: #147 Charles

I don’t think it’s necessarily “hostile to gun owners” to believe the NRA is a bad actor. As an organization, they support a host of extreme right wing causes.

You can believe in the 2nd amendment without being an NRA member.

You can indeed believe that, but Kagan has in her writings (from what I have read) shown herself hostile to gun ownership. She certainly has disagreed the reasoning of the majority of the court in the Heller decision. That’s enough to justify the accusation. If she wishes to disprove it and announce a change of thinking, she may do so. Otherwise, I stand by my suggestion that the GOP use the issue as a club with which to beat her (by extension the Obama administration).

163 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:46:17am

re: #158 Aceofwhat?

And you’re quite entitled to your opinion. OTOH, your reading list could stand to be expanded a bit.

Vonnegut also.

And I need to hook up with Kilgore Trout one of these days.

164 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:47:07am

Good afternoon, honcos!

Folks:

RWC and Dragon_Lady have made a most generous offer.

Today, and today ONLY, the first four people who purchase an LGF cookbook can go here or here, and choose any one of those images they like and will get an 8x10 print of that image, FREE, for ordering the cookbook.

This is a most generous offer!

To preserve anonymity, RWC has set it up with the lab that prints these for you to order the print directly from them.

If you order a book today, LULU.com will send you an automatic “thank you” note.

Delete any personal information (your name, address etc), and forward that note to me by e-mail, and I will send you the ordering information. First four!

No takers as of yet, so all four are still up for grabs!

Sounds like a great deal to me!

165 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:47:45am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Helen Keller.

Or Jimmy Swagart.

Jim and Tammy Baker.

St Thomas Aquinas.

It’s all good.

166 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:47:54am

re: #163 RayGunIsDead

You may find this interesting.

167 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:48:08am

re: #161 MandyManners

Whose gut?

w’s == Bush the dumbers, his euphemism for God I assumed.

168 Skeetghazi  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:49:02am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

The Kagan memo’s were just released. I knew I read something on them that was positive about the NRA! Found it. Interesting.

In June 1998, Elena Kagan helped rework some talking points written by White House staffers for President Clinton about the National Rifle Association in order to soften his tone and praise the NRA’s members.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

169 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:50:00am

re: #168 Stanley Sea

The Kagan memo’s were just released. I knew I read something on them that was positive about the NRA! Found it. Interesting.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

Right wing extremist ! //

170 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:50:07am

re: #164 reine.de.tout

*gasp!* The ultra-rare Charles upding!

171 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:50:34am

re: #163 RayGunIsDead

Vonnegut also.

And I need to hook up with Kilgore Trout one of these days.

Slaughterhouse-Five should be tops on high-school reading lists.

Best anti-war science-fiction book of philosophy ever.

(may be the only one too).

172 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:50:43am

re: #170 JasonA

*gasp!* The ultra-rare Charles upding!

Oh- nice!

173 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:50:59am

re: #165 swamprat

Helen Keller.

Or Jimmy Swagart.

Jim and Tammy Baker.

St Thomas Aquinas.

It’s all good.

No it’s not… but it doesn’t matter… RayGunIsDead doesn’t seem capable of giving me a straight answer… yawn.

174 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:51:28am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

You mean you were born, were never given any religious instruction in any sort of faith, and you knew god existed right from the beginning?

If so, who told you that god created the universe?

I don’t believe in God, the best I can do is allow that God created the universe and walked off. I don’t really even believe that but …

175 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:52:00am

re: #172 reine.de.tout

Oh- nice!

Nice!
How is the Kindle version going?

176 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:52:47am

re: #149 Ojoe

Aquinas is very good, check out the “Summa”.

BBL really

Theologica or Contra Gentiles?

177 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:52:52am

re: #167 RayGunIsDead

w’s == Bush the dumbers, his euphemism for God I assumed.

What does that mean?

178 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:53:11am

re: #174 RayGunIsDead

I don’t believe in God, the best I can do is allow that God created the universe and walked off. I don’t really even believe that but …

Oh… I thought you did, since you copped to at least a Deist interpretation… never mind my question… I reserve that questions for believer only. Sorry.

179 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:53:24am

re: #164 reine.de.tout

Nice pics, but I already ordered and received my cookbook.

BTW, It took me 45 min to shred the 8X11 pdf you sent me. You owe the State of Idaho a Forest. :-)

180 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:53:55am

re: #175 HoosierHoops

Nice!
How is the Kindle version going?

I haven’t heard from anybody on it.
I thought you and Walter were going to do something with it, and I asked Jaunte to send both of you the pdf, because it’s too big a file for me to send thru my email service, and I don’t know how to “zip” it.

181 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:54:45am

re: #179 Bubblehead II

Nice pics, but I already ordered and received my cookbook.

BTW, It took me 45 min to shred the 8X11 pdf you sent me. You owe the State of Idaho a Forest. :-)

eeek.
LOL
recycle that shredded paper!

Some places buy shredded paper to use as packing for boxes.

182 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:55:06am

re: #171 Linden Arden

Slaughterhouse-Five should be tops on high-school reading lists.

Best anti-war science-fiction book of philosophy ever.

(may be the only one too).

Vonnegut, about as big as atheist an there was. I think he preferred humanist.

I have at least 15 of his books on my shelf.

183 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:55:21am

re: #180 reine.de.tout

I haven’t heard from anybody on it.
I thought you and Walter were going to do something with it, and I asked Jaunte to send both of you the pdf, because it’s too big a file for me to send thru my email service, and I don’t know how to “zip” it.

Right… I just assumed that I was still waiting for the PDF or someone else decided to do it. I hadn’t asked about it because I assumed that someone, somehow, somewhere… it was being taken care of.

It’s my nature to be quiet and unassuming.

184 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:55:46am

re: #180 reine.de.tout

I haven’t heard from anybody on it.
I thought you and Walter were going to do something with it, and I asked Jaunte to send both of you the pdf, because it’s too big a file for me to send thru my email service, and I don’t know how to “zip” it.

I never got any file…

185 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:55:46am

bbl

186 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:57:52am

re: #184 HoosierHoops

I never got any file…

It was attached to the TPS memo.

187 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:58:13am

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

Right… I just assumed that I was still waiting for the PDF or someone else decided to do it. I hadn’t asked about it because I assumed that someone, somehow, somewhere… it was being taken care of.

It’s my nature to be quiet and unassuming.


Dude I love you…LOL
707
(upside down LOL)
We should be able to convert PDF to HTML….

188 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:58:22am

re: #182 RayGunIsDead

Vonnegut, about as big as atheist an there was. I think he preferred humanist.

I have at least 15 of his books on my shelf.

At Isaac Asimov’s memorial service, Vonnegut opened his remarks with “Isaac is with God, now.”

Brought down the house.

189 Zendette  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:59:04am

Charles, you wrote, “He seems to be referring to the Mohammed Al-Dura incident”

I think he’s talking about Green helmet guy. My memory isn’t great, but wasn’t he filmed carrying a dead child from rubble, except that the timeline appeared to show that he re-staged the “rescue” for several different news agencies? Something about green helmet guy, anyway.

190 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:59:19am

re: #181 reine.de.tout

eeek.
LOL
recycle that shredded paper!

Some places buy shredded paper to use as packing for boxes.

But I still want my forest…….

191 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:00:42pm

re: #174 RayGunIsDead

I don’t believe in God, the best I can do is allow that God created the universe and walked off. I don’t really even believe that but …

There is a good reason not to believe that—there is absolutely no evidence for it. While there may not be evidence against it, there is no reason to believe in things without positive evidence.

192 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:00:47pm

re: #177 MandyManners

What does that mean?

w and Bush the dumber are references to the last president that nearly destroyed the US. You’re screwing with me.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:01:26pm

re: #73 kahn_mann

No offense intended, but I’d say that the “the only right ones” could stem from the way you characterize anyone who doesn’t buy into manmade global warming and people that disagree with you on the topic of religion.

I myself am sometimes troubled by the somewhat simplistic way Islam is seen by some of our posters…

…wait, that isn’t what you meant, is it?

Can you explain WHAT you meant?

194 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:02:20pm

It’s almost 5:00 in St. John’s. Think I’ll have me a drink.

195 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:02:31pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

I myself am sometimes troubled by the somewhat simplistic way Islam is seen by some of our posters…

…wait, that isn’t what you meant, is it?

Can you explain WHAT you meant?

He ran away a while ago.

196 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:02:46pm

re: #188 austin_blue

At Isaac Asimov’s memorial service, Vonnegut opened his remarks with “Isaac is with God, now.”

Brought down the house.

I think I read that in “A Man Without a Country”. Brought the house down for 5 solid minutes.

197 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:02:52pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

The Kagan memo’s were just released. I knew I read something on them that was positive about the NRA! Found it. Interesting.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

Good find. However, i must say that what she did was typical Clinton triangulation: Praising the organization’s members while attacking the organization’s leadership, while simultaneously seizing “the vital center” for himself. I didn’t buy that then, and I don’t buy it now. Kagan could write such things while still pushing for gun bans.

198 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:05:22pm

re: #194 Gang of One

It’s almost 5:00 in St. John’s. Think I’ll have me a drink.

Ah, I knew it’d be 5:00 somewhere!

199 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:06:36pm

Al Ruechel’s review of Little Green Footballs is somewhat akin to creationist science — something that is not based on reality.

Many of us at LGF have learned how the news media of today is prone to errors and outright distortions such as we’ve seen with Dan Rather and Reuters. This is another case of a distorted “report”. Now, keep in mind that Al Ruechel is their “senior anchor” and a winner of three Emmy Awards.

Al Ruechel is a worship leader at Grace Christian Fellowship church. This link here shows a link to Al Ruechel’s Commentary on the Glenn Beck Site. Their link goes directly to Glenn Beck’s site however I am linking to a general Google search at that site. Since I’m still somnambulating I haven’t located anything of note.

Al Ruechel perhaps should have used a chalk board for his review of LGF. It might have been more in line with his style. He certainly has his own conspiracy theory about LGF which is either a fabrication of his own or one put together by his even less capable staff.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:06:36pm

re: #147 Charles

I don’t think it’s necessarily “hostile to gun owners” to believe the NRA is a bad actor. As an organization, they support a host of extreme right wing causes.

You can believe in the 2nd amendment without being an NRA member.

My father let his NRA membership go at the same time George Bush Sr. did.

He kept his guns.

201 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:07:00pm

re: #191 BryanS

There is a good reason not to believe that—there is absolutely no evidence for it. While there may not be evidence against it, there is no reason to believe in things without positive evidence.

We’re doing religion now. Global warming is not on the table.

202 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:07:22pm

re: #192 RayGunIsDead

w and Bush the dumber are references to the last president that nearly destroyed the US. You’re screwing with me.

Oh, go piss up a rope, you fucking moron.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:07:33pm

re: #158 Aceofwhat?

And you’re quite entitled to your opinion. OTOH, your reading list could stand to be expanded a bit.

You know, if you’re going to pick two people to read, Einstein and Jefferson aren’t a bad pick…

204 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:07:47pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Al Ruechel’s review of Little Green Footballs is somewhat akin to creationist science — something that is not based on reality.

Many of us at LGF have learned how the news media of today is prone to errors and outright distortions such as we’ve seen with Dan Rather and Reuters. This is another case of a distorted “report”. Now, keep in mind that Al Ruechel is their “senior anchor” and a winner of three Emmy Awards.

Al Ruechel is a worship leader at Grace Christian Fellowship church. This link here shows a link to Al Ruechel’s Commentary on the Glenn Beck Site. Their link goes directly to Glenn Beck’s site however I am linking to a general Google search at that site. Since I’m still somnambulating I haven’t located anything of note.

Al Ruechel perhaps should have used a chalk board for his review of LGF. It might have been more in line with his style. He certainly has his own conspiracy theory about LGF which is either a fabrication of his own or one put together by his even less capable staff.

Fixed link to “Al Ruechel” site:glennbeck.com.

205 Skeetghazi  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:07:54pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

Good find. However, i must say that what she did was typical Clinton triangulation: Praising the organization’s members while attacking the organization’s leadership, while simultaneously seizing “the vital center” for himself. I didn’t buy that then, and I don’t buy it now. Kagan could write such things while still pushing for gun bans.

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]

Very detailed analysis of the memo’s. Apparently they were handwritten notes in the margins.

It’s perhaps unfortunate for the White House that she happened to list the two names side by side. But there’s no evidence of any comparison, aside from the fact that they appeared next to each other on two pieces of paper amid a lengthy and wide-ranging analysis.

206 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:09:09pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Since I’m still somnambulating

Deviated prevert.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:09:35pm

re: #196 RayGunIsDead

I think I read that in “A Man Without a Country”. Brought the house down for 5 solid minutes.

A good joke at a funeral will get a solid response. People need the relief.

208 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:09:53pm

re: #206 MandyManners

Deviated prevert.

You will have to answer to the Coca Cola Bottling Company!

209 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:10:55pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

I haven’t heard from anybody on it.
I thought you and Walter were going to do something with it, and I asked Jaunte to send both of you the pdf, because it’s too big a file for me to send thru my email service, and I don’t know how to “zip” it.

I’ll get on that; been swamped at work lately. Maybe it would be better to break it up into separate pdfs bychapter?

210 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:11:17pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, if you’re going to pick two people to read, Einstein and Jefferson aren’t a bad pick…

The World As I See It

211 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:11:56pm

re: #206 MandyManners

Deviated prevert.

In bed?

212 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:13:24pm

re: #208 Gus 802

You will have to answer to the Coca Cola Bottling Company!

Some sunny day?

213 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:13:31pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

A good joke at a funeral will get a solid response. People need the relief.

You mean like John Cleese’s speech at Graham Chapman’s funeral?

214 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:13:46pm

re: #211 Gang of One

In bed?

Where else does it count?

215 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:13:50pm

re: #192 RayGunIsDead

w and Bush the dumber are references to the last president that nearly destroyed the US. You’re screwing with me.

Patience. Obama has a chance to join the list.
Nixon.
Carter.
Bush (you say “Bush”, who am I to argue?)

Give the man a chance.

216 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:14:03pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

I have no doubt that DF is right…the GOP will make this an issue to bash Kagan and stoke the fires of fear after the first 17 months of the Obama administration has not yielded any evidence whatsoever of a gun control agenda. Even so, I also have to believe that everyone realizes that a replacement nominee is likely to be less palatable to the right, not more.

217 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:14:27pm

re: #192 RayGunIsDead

w and Bush the dumber are references to the last president that nearly destroyed the US. You’re screwing with me.

And I wouldn’t screw with you if you had the last penis on the planet.

218 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:14:49pm

re: #214 MandyManners

Where else does it count?

On the beach, in the shower, in a First-Class aircraft cabin …

219 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:14:51pm

re: #212 MandyManners

Some sunny day?

[Video]

My head feels like a bomb went off in there. A small bomb though.

220 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:14:59pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

Very detailed analysis of the memo’s. Apparently they were handwritten notes in the margins.

It’s perhaps unfortunate for the White House that she happened to list the two names side by side. But there’s no evidence of any comparison, aside from the fact that they appeared next to each other on two pieces of paper amid a lengthy and wide-ranging analysis.

That’s why I don’t think the GOP should focus on that poor word choice of hers. Elena Kagan dislikes the NRA, it seems clear to me, but I do not for a second think she finds it equivalent to the KKK. That’s why I’ve been saying what I’ve been saying: Republicans need to focus on her stance on the issue and not try to spin a single quote into an “Outrageous Outrage!1”.

221 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:15:04pm

re: #210 Gang of One

The World As I See It

Einstein, His Life and Universe, Walter Isaacson is pretty good also.

222 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:15:25pm

re: #204 Gus 802

I guess Ruechel didn’t agree with Beck’s Fiskie win.

223 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:16:17pm

re: #217 MandyManners

And I wouldn’t screw with you if you had the last penis on the planet.

Oh, SNAP!

224 Skeetghazi  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:16:52pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Gotcha DF!

225 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:16:57pm

re: #217 MandyManners

And I wouldn’t screw with you if you had the last penis on the planet.

Yes you would, admit it.

226 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:16:58pm

re: #218 Gang of One

On the beach, in the shower, in a First-Class aircraft cabin …

In the road?

227 Drogheda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:16:59pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Al’s columns don’t exist at Glenn Beck’s site anymore. There are still a few columns to be found where people re-posted them.

228 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:17:11pm

re: #222 jaunte

I guess Ruechel didn’t agree with Beck’s Fiskie win.

Right. I think there’s probably more to this distorted review by Al Ruechel but unlike Ruechel I won’t delve into a conspiracy theory.

229 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:17:23pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

Good find. However, i must say that what she did was typical Clinton triangulation: Praising the organization’s members while attacking the organization’s leadership, while simultaneously seizing “the vital center” for himself. I didn’t buy that then, and I don’t buy it now. Kagan could write such things while still pushing for gun bans.

Agreed. All this shows is that she is political and politically savvy. I don’t think

230 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:17:24pm

re: #219 Gus 802

My head feels like a bomb went off in there. A small bomb though.

Don’t click on the link in No. 226.

231 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:18:21pm

re: #201 swamprat

We’re doing religion now. Global warming is not on the table.

Huh? That’s what I was talking about. You saying there is no evidence for global warming?

232 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:18:30pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Oh, SNAP!

Pissed me off to no end. Little punk needs to join Kos.

233 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:18:37pm

re: #227 Drogheda

Al’s columns don’t exist at Glenn Beck’s site anymore. There are still a few columns to be found where people re-posted them.

Thanks. So he see intelligent design as a threat.

My head hurts.

234 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:18:56pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Oh, SNAP!

And, he’s made my GAZE list.

235 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:19:35pm

re: #215 swamprat

Patience. Obama has a chance to join the list.
Nixon.
Carter.
Bush (you say “Bush”, who am I to argue?)

Give the man a chance.

I agree, Obama is no savior, but he had a pretty deep hole to climb out off. W will rule as the worst. Unless Palin makes it in, then it will be the end of history as we know it. So W still rules.

236 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:19:45pm

re: #216 bratwurst

I have no doubt that DF is right…the GOP will make this an issue to bash Kagan and stoke the fires of fear after the first 17 months of the Obama administration has not yielded any evidence whatsoever of a gun control agenda.

There is no gun control legislation coming from Obama. The issue is dead from their perspective. Its a political loser.

Hell, they expanded gun-carry to national parks.

My paranoid b-in-law in Georgia doesn’t believed a word of that though. He is convinced Obama wants his guns.

237 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:19:51pm

re: #229 BryanS

Agreed. All this shows is that she is political and politically savvy. I don’t think

…don’t think we really know what her judicial philosophy will be based on her previous positions as a white house counsel or head of a college.

238 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:19:58pm

re: #216 bratwurst

I have no doubt that DF is right…the GOP will make this an issue to bash Kagan and stoke the fires of fear after the first 17 months of the Obama administration has not yielded any evidence whatsoever of a gun control agenda. Even so, I also have to believe that everyone realizes that a replacement nominee is likely to be less palatable to the right, not more.

I don’t think Obama himself is fond of gun-grabs, but like some non-socon conservatives on abortion he votes the way the party base prefers. Right now, his lack of interest coupled to the need for Blue Dogs to keep their seats prevents anti-gun legislation. However, that does mean Kagan is not wrong on this issue. I firmly believe she is, and I always think it is fair to use someone’s erroneous views to attack them.

239 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:20:13pm

re: #233 Gus 802

Thanks. So he see intelligent design as a threat.

My head hurts.

Heavy night of partying?

240 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:21:01pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think Obama himself is fond of gun-grabs, but like some non-socon conservatives on abortion he votes the way the party base prefers. Right now, his lack of interest coupled to the need for Blue Dogs to keep their seats prevents anti-gun legislation. However, that does mean Kagan is not wrong on this issue. I firmly believe she is, and I always think it is fair to use someone’s erroneous views to attack them.

Didn’t he couch his opposition to guns in terms that Congress didn’t have the votes to overturn Keller?

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:21:19pm

re: #213 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You mean like John Cleese’s speech at Graham Chapman’s funeral?

[Video]

That’s divine. Never saw that before.

242 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:21:39pm

re: #229 BryanS

Agreed. All this shows is that she is political and politically savvy. I don’t think

Your post didn’t come through all the way.

243 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:22:21pm

re: #231 BryanS

Huh? That’s what I was talking about. You saying there is no evidence for global warming?

Here’s your leg back.
The evidence is there.

244 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:22:23pm

re: #233 Gus 802

Thanks. So he see intelligent design as a threat.

My head hurts.

He seems to be a supporter, in the ‘just asking questions’ column:

You can label those scientists who support Intelligent Design religious zealots if you wish. But at least they are being intellectual honest by admitting evolution’s flaws and offering other explanations for consideration. Would that be a crime or unconstitutional? And does two paragraphs in a 700-page textbook equal government support of religion? Please????

Intelligent Design supporters don’t want or need to have it etched in stone wiping out Darwin’s evolutionary matrix. They just want it footnoted in an honest fashion so if today’s young scientist happen to turn the stone over and it says, “made in heaven” they won’t be too shocked!
[Link: www.usmessageboard.com…]

245 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:22:29pm

re: #239 MandyManners

Heavy night of partying?

No, I wish. My neck has been giving me problems for the past few months and right now my head’s feeling a bit stuffy - almost like a sinus problem.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:22:34pm

re: #236 Linden Arden

There is no gun control legislation coming from Obama. The issue is dead from their perspective. Its a political loser.

Hell, they expanded gun-carry to national parks.

My paranoid b-in-law in Georgia doesn’t believed a word of that though. He is convinced Obama wants his guns.

Are they really nice?

247 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:22:37pm

re: #242 Dark_Falcon

Your post didn’t come through all the way.

see post 237. telephone call interruption, followed by premature posting :)

248 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:23:48pm

re: #225 RayGunIsDead

Yes you would, admit it.

Honestly, you don’t want to piss off Mandy. It’s not healthy, dude.

249 Skeetghazi  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:23:51pm

OT, but funny.

CLEVELAND COUNTY, N.C. On Tuesday, NewsChannel 36 spoke with Tim Peeler, who says he saw a Sasquatch near his home in Casar.

Now, we have copies of the 911 calls that Peeler made to authorities

“He was about 9, 10-foot tall with real long arms. …It looked like a giant ape with a man’s face,” Peeler said in a 911 call. “I was afraid to kill it. It made a whimpering sound. I just wanted y’all to know I have not shot one or killed one.”

Peeler told the 911 operator that the creature had killed one of his dogs.

“Would I get in any trouble if I shot and killed this beast, this animal or whatever it is?” Peeler asked.

Read more: [Link: www.charlotteobserver.com…]

250 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:23:57pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s divine. Never saw that before.

After watching it, I’ve been inspired to leave similar instructions for my own funeral. As well as requiring “Highway to Hell” and “Another One Bites The Dust” both be played at least once.

251 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:24:03pm

re: #240 MandyManners

Didn’t he couch his opposition to guns in terms that Congress didn’t have the votes to overturn Keller?

No one can overturn ‘Keller’ unless the states sponsor an Amendment.

3/4 of the states do that?

Zero chance.

252 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:24:09pm

re: #244 jaunte

Aha! Excellent find. So Ruechel was almost concern trolling the issue.

253 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:24:26pm

re: #235 RayGunIsDead

Disagree. Carter has the lead, in my book.

254 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:25:04pm

re: #245 Gus 802

No, I wish. My neck has been giving me problems for the past few months and right now my head’s feeling a bit stuffy - almost like a sinus problem.

Know an otolaryngologist?

255 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:25:33pm

re: #248 Gang of One

Honestly, you don’t want to piss off Mandy. It’s not healthy, dude.

Fucking moron’s made my GAZE list.

256 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:25:42pm

re: #253 swamprat

Disagree. Carter has the lead, in my book.

Wholeheartedly agree.

257 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:25:44pm

re: #252 Gus 802

That ‘what could it hurt?’ argument he’s using was very familiar from the old evo-creationist threads.

258 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:25:52pm

re: #254 MandyManners

Know an otolaryngologist?

No. If I do anything I have to plop myself into the Denver General clinic.

259 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:26:23pm

re: #235 RayGunIsDead

I agree, Obama is no savior, but he had a pretty deep hole to climb out off. W will rule as the worst. Unless Palin makes it in, then it will be the end of history as we know it. So W still rules.

You grasp of politics and national affairs, or at least your ability to discuss them, is juvenile… er… childish… no… no… what’s the word I’m looking for… oh… dumber.

260 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:26:28pm

re: #240 MandyManners

Didn’t he couch his opposition to guns in terms that Congress didn’t have the votes to overturn Keller?

I don’t remember. Congress could not overturn the Heller decision absent a Constitutional Amendment (which would never get the support of 3/4ths of the state legislatures anyway).

261 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:26:34pm

re: #251 Linden Arden

No one can overturn ‘Keller’ unless the states sponsor an Amendment.

3/4 of the states do that?

Zero chance.

I don’t recall that his speech was about Keller.

262 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:27:10pm

re: #258 Gus 802

No. If I do anything I have to plop myself into the Denver General clinic.

I’d go since this is a long-term issue.

263 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:27:30pm

re: #255 MandyManners

Fucking moron’s made my GAZE list.

Yes, I saw.

264 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:27:36pm

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

I don’t remember. Congress could not overturn the Heller decision absent a Constitutional Amendment (which would never get the support of 3/4ths of the state legislatures anyway).

See No. 251, please.

265 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:27:45pm

re: #257 jaunte

That ‘what could it hurt?’ argument he’s using was very familiar from the old evo-creationist threads.

For sure. I see nothing “intellectually honest” in how creationist “scientists” point out flaw in evolutionary science. Creationist science is an oxymoron.

266 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:27:59pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

My in-laws? No, they’re crazy.

267 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:29:12pm

re: #265 Gus 802

For sure. I see nothing “intellectually honest” in how creationist “scientists” point out flaw in evolutionary science. Creationist science is an oxymoron.

Agreed… but I’ll take that one step further… for me, I see nothing “intellectually honest” in how a scientist can even believe in a god period.

268 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:30:14pm

re: #247 BryanS

see post 237. telephone call interruption, followed by premature posting :)

Thanks, I see know. Still, since she’s never been a judge, those writings are fair game. If she wishes to disavow them, she may. Without such a renunciation, I would not vote for her were I a senator.

269 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:30:29pm

re: #265 Gus 802

For sure. I see nothing “intellectually honest” in how creationist “scientists” point out flaw in evolutionary science. Creationist science is an oxymoron.


Another howler:

Dr. Michael Behe’s book, Darwin’s Black Box, continues to send shock waves through academia with its thoughtful dissection of the biochemical challenges to evolution.
[Link: www.usmessageboard.com…]


Shock waves!

270 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:30:59pm

Gellar’s up to more shenanigans.

271 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:31:20pm

re: #264 MandyManners

See No. 251, please.

My computer froze up, so my post was late. Sorry.

272 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:31:45pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

Agreed… but I’ll take that one step further… for me, I see nothing “intellectually honest” in how a scientist can even believe in a god period.

Ultimately incompatible concepts. Yet there are famous scientists who came down with the religion bug awful fearsomely. Newton being one of them.

273 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:32:05pm

re: #253 swamprat

Disagree. Carter has the lead, in my book.

What legislation did Carter sign that harmed the country?

How was his fumbling of the Iran hostage crisis any worse than Reagan running from militants when 241 US Marines were bombed in Lebanon?

274 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:33:03pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, I see know. Still, since she’s never been a judge, those writings are fair game. If she wishes to disavow them, she may. Without such a renunciation, I would not vote for her were I a senator.

She’s a stealth nominee in the way Harriet Meiers was supposed to be for Bush. We’ll see if Obama pulls it off unlike Bush.

275 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:33:56pm

re: #253 swamprat

Disagree. Carter has the lead, in my book.

IMHO, Buchanan leads the pack. A compromise presidency that pleased nobody, a middling presidency, and ultimately sat on his hands because he saw secession from the Union and war to maintain the Union as illegal.

276 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:34:11pm

re: #273 Linden Arden

What legislation did Carter sign that harmed the country?

How was his fumbling of the Iran hostage crisis any worse than Reagan running from militants when 241 US Marines were bombed in Lebanon?

I’d say Carter’s Iran problem started long before any hostages were taken.

277 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:34:48pm

re: #276 BryanS

I’d say Carter’s Iran problem started long before any hostages were taken.

I agree.

1953 with the CIA and BP.

278 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:35:29pm

re: #269 jaunte

Shock waves!

We have a winner!

Michael J. Behe at the Discovery Institute.

He’s also in “Talk Origins.”

Ruechel is either a namby pamby apologist for intelligent design or cares little of either science and mythology and thinks both should be taught in science class. However, I think it’s clear that Ruechel does not see creationism as mythology.

279 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:36:31pm

W’s problem is what he failed to do, which is regulate.

280 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:37:45pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

Agreed… but I’ll take that one step further… for me, I see nothing “intellectually honest” in how a scientist can even believe in a god period.

I am sure that there are blogs or sites where believing scientists congregate.

281 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:37:46pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

re: #184 HoosierHoops

oooookay, then.
Let me get it sorted out.

282 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:38:36pm

re: #209 jaunte

I’ll get on that; been swamped at work lately. Maybe it would be better to break it up into separate pdfs bychapter?

I don’t know.
Walter is going to do something first with the whole thing; then Hoops will do something with the whole thing.

283 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:39:05pm

re: #282 reine.de.tout

My fault; I have to do something with the whole thing first…

284 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:40:50pm

re: #277 Linden Arden

I agree.

1953 with the CIA and BP.

True—still, it’s no defense to Carter.

285 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:41:00pm

re: #281 reine.de.tout

re: #282 reine.de.tout

re: #283 jaunte

I think I was suppose to get the PDF, run it through my PDF convertor to WORD, write out as HTML and HH was going to clean it up from their.

To work… someone email me about what’s up… as soon as someone knows what’s up.

BB Later (or tomorrow, I work till 11 pm)

286 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:42:21pm

re: #279 RayGunIsDead

Come back another day and we’ll talk about that. You’ve acted like an ass on this thread and I for one don’t really want to talk to you. But go to the next thread and apologize to Mandy before you leave.

287 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:43:53pm

I’ll be Bach.

288 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:55:05pm

re: #273 Linden Arden

What legislation did Carter sign that harmed the country?

How was his fumbling of the Iran hostage crisis any worse than Reagan running from militants when 241 US Marines were bombed in Lebanon?

Your rhetorical questions pale compared to the reality of the state that the country was in from Carter’s reign. I am not speaking from any partisan platform, or ideological stance, or even talking about the loss of face from the hostage crisis. And I don’t think Carter was a bad guy, he meant well and tried to do his best for the world and America;

But he sucked! He couldn’t drive an economy, if it had a steering wheel!
He couldn’t lead a nation, in song!

The nation languished under Carter economically, in morale, and in International Standing.
He sucked. Sucked, I tell you.

Mind you, he’d make a fine neighbor!
But I wouldn’t let him run a penny-candy store.

289 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:57:59pm

I like how he says “from the web center” at the end of the story, as if a newsroom in the 1950s had a special “telephone center” just for communications.

The Oatmeal would be proud.

290 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:06:40pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Come back another day and we’ll talk about that. You’ve acted like an ass on this thread and I for one don’t really want to talk to you. But go to the next thread and apologize to Mandy before you leave.

GD, the Ace of Spades treats me better than this as a troll.

291 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:17:55pm

I just watched the piece on bay news 9.

I don’t think it’s a “hit piece”, just poorly researched. I wish the guy had spent a little longer reading here; I think he might have had a different impression if he had done so.

292 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:25:21pm

Lizards, time to call it a day/night.

Charles…. Thank You for providing the forum to debate/spout off in.

293 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:28:09pm

re: #176 austin_blue

Theologica.

Ignore the other one…

294 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:29:41pm

re: #192 RayGunIsDead

president that who; grammar check.

295 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:30:41pm

This site has me a little worried as it is not as I thought. I believed that the main writer had a political conversion, from the right to the left, as I did, long ago. Hence my moniker, Reagen is Dead (RayGun is Dead). Communism was/is bad, no question, but communism is dead. Lets move on.

Seems to me that this site has to cater the the right, by sugar coating what the right believes which frequently just isn’t so.

296 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:33:27pm

re: #235 RayGunIsDead

Buchanan was easily the worst. Read some more history. Buchanan let the Southern faction get away with treason in the run up to the Civil War.

297 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:36:36pm

re: #132 HoosierHoops

It seems the concept of God is so difficult to many…
I believe God created the laws of Nature and for 14 billion years Nature has followed those rules…
When you walk past a Rose Bush and say ’ Isn’t that a beautiful Rose God Created?’ No he didn’t.. God created the laws that allowed nature to develop into a rose bush.. Like all things in the Universe all nature develops such as life..Darwin had it right…
So no God didn’t create that Rose..He made the rules that allowed life to grow..And a rose bloom…
I know God exists in my heart…But religion is mostly wrong headed and corrupt…

Why separate the rose bush and ‘God’? And if the rose bush is ‘God’, and not simply an expression of the ‘rules’ He/She created, along with everything else? It’s a question of cutting out the middleman - in the long run, it saves ya’ money, Hoops.

298 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:38:01pm

re: #295 RayGunIsDead

This site is Centrist-Common Sense if it is anything.

BBL

299 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:38:09pm

re: #296 Ojoe

Buchanan was easily the worst. Read some more history. Buchanan let the Southern faction get away with treason in the run up to the Civil War.

I have heard.

But w nearly destroyed the worlds economy on the false belief that deregulation is the panacea for all that ails any economy. That belief is coming home to roost.

300 freetoken  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:38:54pm

re: #295 RayGunIsDead

I believed that the main writer had a political conversion, from the right to the left, as I did, long ago.

Not sure we do conversions here, but some of us have been known to Mambo:

301 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:38:54pm

re: #135 RayGunIsDead

One by one
It comes to us all
It’s as soft as your pillow

I think someone wrote a song about that.

302 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:40:21pm

world’s

BBL

303 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:40:28pm

re: #297 ryannon

Why separate the rose bush and ‘God’? And if the rose bush is ‘God’, and not simply an expression of the ‘rules’ He/She created, along with everything else? It’s a question of cutting out the middleman - in the long run, it saves ya’ money, Hoops.

Amen to your words that even a con should grasp. ie money (Mammon).

304 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:40:45pm

re: #144 Yukon Digger

The reason I love this website is because I hear both sides of the story. LGF is the most intelligent USA blog there is.

Down-dinged for excess of superlatives.

/

305 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:48:44pm

re: #301 ryannon

I think someone wrote a song about that.

Radio Head is who I was quoting. I hereby profess.

306 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:50:45pm

re: #305 RayGunIsDead

Radio Head is who I was quoting. I hereby profess.

Linky?

Share the music.

307 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:58:02pm

re: #306 ryannon

Linky?

Share the music.

Sorry, I no have (someone will ding me for that) speakers on this computer.

[Link: www.sing365.com…]

Pretty sure they won album of the year with that song as the lead on the album. RadioHead is unreal. Words. Great words. Most of RH.

308 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:08:18pm

Oh, just as importantly, RadioHead is great guitar, as well as great words.

Guitar always takes second seat to words but that band is up there with the greats.

309 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:28:13pm

re: #295 RayGunIsDead


“This site has me a little worried as it is not as I thought.”


Rotating title nominee.

310 tnguitarist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:33:56pm

re: #147 Charles

I don’t think it’s necessarily “hostile to gun owners” to believe the NRA is a bad actor. As an organization, they support a host of extreme right wing causes.

You can believe in the 2nd amendment without being an NRA member.

This is my position. I have a carry permit but I would never join the NRA.

311 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:36:25pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

“His political cartoons [shows old work by Cox and Forkum] seem designed to offend, definitely pro-Israel.”

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

What it means is that inasmuch as the cartoons tend to support Israel, they are inherently offensive.

Of course, he won’t put it in so many words. These guys have to have just enough separation between what they say explicitly, and what it means, that they can spin their way out of the charge when what they’re really getting at is pointed out.

312 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:52:05pm

re: #311 lostlakehiker

A political cartoon that isn’t offensive to someone really isn’t doing its job.

313 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:52:41pm

re: #73 kahn_mann

No offense intended, but I’d say that the “the only right ones” could stem from the way you characterize anyone who doesn’t buy into manmade global warming and people that disagree with you on the topic of religion.

Well, at some point the science becomes settled. The view that evolution is our best scientific explanation of the origin of species is indeed the “only right view”. The view that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that the rising levels of CO2 we observe in the atmosphere are the result of human use of fossil fuels, and secondarily, of human-caused deforestation, is indeed the “only right view”.

Looking at a position on the chess board, there are positions in which anyone who knows anything about the game can say that one move is the only right move. It may, for instance, be the only legal move. But if the position is more difficult to understand, it may still be the case that there is only one right move. Good players will see the logic and will tell you what the right move is, and why. But if the explanation is long, and you fancy yourself a good player, you may not be inclined to hear them out.

Even if the position is so difficult to analyze that it’s beyond the power of mortal reason, there may nevertheless be only one right move, and good players may be unanimous in declaring what that move is. Their experience, judgment, and partial calculations are sufficient. And when we fire up Deep Blue and check, sure enough, they turn out to have got it right, in almost all cases.

This is where we are with the science of global warming. Your average duffer may not see just why it’s basically correct. They don’t understand that there really is a science to science and that it takes long study and uncommon talent at abstract reasoning to become a grandmaster at the discipline. So they take ignorant pride in their ignorance and imagine that just because they’re as good as any man at figuring out how to get a car unstuck from the mud, [and maybe they really are], they’re also just as good at figuring out things that are beyond the reach of naive reasoning.

The science of global warming is not settled all the way from alpha to omega. We don’t know exactly how much things will warm if things go on as they are. We don’t know just how soon the Greenland ice cap will melt, or in which year the Northwest Passage will become open to regular shipping from mid-August to mid-September.

We certainly don’t know, and we never will know, which years will see heat waves, or where the first hurricane of the following year will strike land. We know enough to know that carrying on as though there were no problem and no danger is unwise.

314 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:55:18pm

Chalk another one up to the mainstream media. They just don’t have a clue.

315 Bagua  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:21:38pm

re: #290 RayGunIsDead

GD, the Ace of Spades treats me better than this as a troll.

So go back to Ace of Spades asshole. You deserve each other.

316 Bagua  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:25:33pm

Mr Ruechel must have gotten his notes mixed up as he was clearly speaking about a different blog.

317 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:34:54pm

As Mr. Euechel may find this thread and read to the bottom, I inform him that the best newscasters are that pair on Futurama; the blonde airhead chick, and “kittens give me gas” Morbo.

318 kahn_mann  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:24:58pm

Lizards,
I never said that Charles forces people of differing opinions off of the site; I just meant to say that there are a couple of topics where I have noticed *a little* less respect for people he disagrees with than the bulk of the other topics discussed on the site.
For what it’s worth (about $.02 probably) I’m about 60% sold on global warming, and about 50/50 on whether man has a significant impact on it.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. There have just been a few posts where I felt that people get belittled (that’s probably too strong a word) for their disagreement.

319 Mickey Blumental  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:33:34pm

Al Ruechel has his own views on LGF, but as usual he doesn’t bother to show anyone else’s view, just one side: his opinion which he thinks it’s the only one tha matters. Typical!

:D

320 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 8:07:33pm

re: #319 Udon

See, the point is that a lot of what Ruechel said is flat wrong. You’re entitled to your own opinions, but you don’t get your own facts.

321 schnapp  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:44:37pm

re: #320 Charles

I hate how he showed the headlines without saying what the post was ACTUALLY about! It was completely misleading.

322 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:44:51am

I’ve been reading LGF for years (I think I started with the Rachel Corrie Pancake Breakfast!) and have been a “member” for about two weeks.

The viewpoints here are *anything* but “all over the place.” It’s one of the most morally consistent places on the Interweb.


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