Pamela Geller Supports Yet Another Fascist Group

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Here’s popular right wing blogger (and writer for Newsmax, World Net Daily, and Andrew Breitbart’s websites) Pamela “Shrieking Harpy” Geller, expressing her unqualified support for antisemites, Holocaust deniers, and extreme right wing European fascist groups again — because they hate Muslims as much as she does: Hundreds attend Paris sausage, Wine fest Despite the Ban for Fear of Offending Muslims.

Although the numbers are considerably less than what was hoped for, perhaps some of those patriotic French who would have turned up may have put historical animosities aside for the evening in the hope of seeing Algeria trounced by England in the World Cup. Alas, this was not to be, with England managing a dull and lacklustre 0-0 draw.

This apero geant saucisson et pinard event passed off peacefully. Although Sylvie François was the woman who originated the idea and generated a significant following on Facebook, it was also supported by a considerable range of French patriotic and secular groups and bloggers listed below (information taken from Bloc Identitaire website)

They hate Muslims, and that’s really the only thing Geller cares about, but if she had bothered to investigate the “Bloc Identitaire” she would have discovered that it’s composed of members of the neo-Nazi National Front and other extreme right wing French groups.

The Bloc Identitaire is a French far right political group. It was founded in 2003 by some former members of Unité Radicale and several other far right sympathizers, including Fabrice Robert, former Unité Radicale member, former elected representative of the National Front (FN) and also former member of the National Republican Movement (MNR), and Guillaume Luyt, former member of the monarchist Action française, former Unité Radicale member, former director of the youth organization of the FN (FNJ). Luyt claims inspiration by Guillaume Faye’s works in the Nouvelle Droite movement.

Bloc Identitaire is an ethnic nationalist French version of the KKK; they’re opposed to race-mixing, they hate Americans as much as they hate Jews and Muslims, and they’re allied with another one of Geller’s fascist associates, the Belgian Vlaams Belang.

The Bloc Identitaire aims to be a “rally for young French and Europeans who are proud of their roots and of their heritage”. It opposes miscegenation and “imperialism, whether it be American or islamic”.

The Bloc identitaire has been accused of intentionally distributing several popular soups containing pork in order to exclude religious Jews or Muslims; in Strasbourg, Nice, Paris, and in Antwerp with the association Antwerpse Solidariteit close to the Vlaams Belang.

Pamela Geller has never met a fascist hate group she wouldn’t support.

These “pork parties” are a long tradition on the French far right; back in the day they were targeted against Jews by the very same groups and people. And they’re still targeted against Jews as well as Muslims, but some of the fascists have learned that there are useful idiots like Geller out there who will believe their denials and help promote their hatred.

It’s old-style European racial/ethnic nastiness. Deliberate mean-spirited provocation. That’s what Pamela Geller is working hard to bring to America.

(Hat tip: Killgore Trout.)

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1 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:18:19pm

She knows not when to quit.

2 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:20:50pm
The Bloc Identitaire aims to be a “rally for young French and Europeans who are proud of their roots and of their heritage”. It opposes miscegenation and “imperialism, whether it be American or islamic”.

Code words for Caucasian Christian?

3 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:20:52pm

Turds of a feather...

4 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:23:31pm

Nothing she does can surprise me. I can still be surprised at how many people are willing to be associated with her, like Andrew McCarthy and John Bolton. Says more bad about them than it does good about her.

The wingnuts who hate Charles the most are the ones who love Geller the most. They blame him for making her look bad. We may even see another meltdown later in this thread.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:27:52pm

1. Rooting for England against Algeria? Isn't it polite to root for a former colony against a traditional enemy? (OK, I know they had some serious Algeria problems, but hell, it's ENGLAND.)

2. What does it mean to 'distribute popular soups containing pork'? Do they have soup kitchens, or soup festivals, or what?

3. Pam, you know how you like to tell people like me that we're only being nice to Muslims in the hopes that they'll kill us last? These folks won't kill you and me last. We're number two on the list, and only because they're more scared of the Muslims than they are of us.

6 AK-47%  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:28:08pm

They hate imperialism but are proud of their French (imperial) heritage?

And why are there so many Algerian Muslims in France? Might have something to do with it once being a French colony...

I believe they might refer to this as Le disconuité cognitifs

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:29:50pm

re: #2 Gang of One

Code words for Caucasian Christian?

Mais oui.

Significantly, this kind of focus on pork-eating as some sort of cultural loyalty test has deep, deep roots in Europe. The Inquisition used to pick people up on charges of using olive oil in dishes, because that was a Jewish thing.

8 Drogheda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:30:15pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

2. What does it mean to 'distribute popular soups containing pork'? Do they have soup kitchens, or soup festivals, or what?

IIRC it is referring to a soup kitchen sort of thingy. There was some minor kerfluffle about that last year or perhaps the year before?

9 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:31:25pm

I'd be surprised, but, well, you all know.

She's a bug.

10 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:31:31pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

Mais oui.

Significantly, this kind of focus on pork-eating as some sort of cultural loyalty test has deep, deep roots in Europe. The Inquisition used to pick people up on charges of using olive oil in dishes, because that was a Jewish thing.

Absolutely. This is a disgusting tactic that has long been used by European antisemites. They just switched it over to the Muslims, and useful idiots like Geller fall right in line to support it.

11 AK-47%  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:31:46pm

I thought the PC thing was to offer a vegetarian alternative, anyways...

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:31:49pm

re: #6 ralphieboy

They hate imperialism but are proud of their French (imperial) heritage?

And why are there so many Algerian Muslims in France? Might have something to do with it once being a French colony...

I believe they might refer to this as Le disconuité cognitifs

Not uncommon. Certain Brits are still bitched that people keep showing up from India. It's like, 'hey, yes, we took you over when it was fun and profitable, but can't we just sever the relationship now that it's no longer so much to our benefit?'

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:32:26pm

re: #8 Drogheda

IIRC it is referring to a soup kitchen sort of thingy. There was some minor kerfluffle about that last year or perhaps the year before?

Missed it.

14 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:33:16pm

Would someone tell Gellar that Short Shit also hates Jews and denies the Holocaust?

15 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:34:16pm

re: #2 Gang of One

Code words for Caucasian Christian?

Yep. Though they seem to read Americans out of the list of acceptable people. Of course without the British and Americans, those folks would be speaking German.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:34:18pm

re: #11 ralphieboy

I thought the PC thing was to offer a vegetarian alternative, anyways...

If by 'soup kitchen' they mean offering food to the poor, the other half of my historical memory has just dinged. In Ireland, at various periods, and during the Famine especially, some Protestant charities would offer food in exchange for attending Protestant services.

Feh.

17 AK-47%  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:36:15pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

If by 'soup kitchen' they mean offering food to the poor, the other half of my historical memory has just dinged. In Ireland, at various periods, and during the Famine especially, some Protestant charities would offer food in exchange for attending Protestant services.

Feh.

"Soup Protestants" was the term the used for folks who attended.

18 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:36:15pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Yep. Though they seem to read Americans out of the list of acceptable people. Of course without the British and Americans, those folks would be speaking German.

Want ad for a French rifle: Never used. Dropped once.

19 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:36:22pm

re: #9 austin_blue

I'd be surprised, but, well, you all know.

She's a bug.

Please don't dishonor bugs like that. Some bugs (like bees and dragonflies) are useful. Pam Geller is just a vile stew of hate.

20 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:36:40pm

A story from 2006:

French crackdown on 'racist soup'
Identity Soup, as it has been dubbed by its chefs, was banned in Strasbourg this month after officials ruled it could lead to public disorder.

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:36:44pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Yep. Though they seem to read Americans out of the list of acceptable people. Of course without the British and Americans, those folks would be speaking German.

Sorry, with John Cleese on my mind, I can't resist:

"Ooohh, you English are soooo superior aren't you? Well, do you want to know where you'd be without us, the good old U.S. of A. to protect you? The smallest fucking province in the Russian Empire! That's what! So don't call me stupid lady, just thank me!"

"Well thank you, for popping in and protecting us."

"If it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking German! Singing Deutschland, Deutschland, uber alles...YEAH!"

22 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:38:00pm

re: #20 jaunte

A story from 2006:

French crackdown on 'racist soup'
Identity Soup, as it has been dubbed by its chefs, was banned in Strasbourg this month after officials ruled it could lead to public disorder.

I just don't see French Jews rioting and burning cars in response to the soup.

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:38:11pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Want ad for a French rifle: Never used. Dropped once.

I don't normally join in bashing the French recreationally, but I do have to comment that there was a town where they refused, not so long ago, to put up a memorial honoring the Resistance fighters from the area.

Why?

All the names were German Jewish ones.

24 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:39:13pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Want ad for a French rifle: Never used. Dropped once.

The French actually fought bravely for the most part. But once the Germans had cut off their best formations in 1940, they had already lost the campaign. They fell not to cowardice, but to superior German organization, strategy, tactics, and leadership.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:40:05pm

re: #22 MandyManners

I just don't see French Jews rioting and burning cars in response to the soup.

Makes ME want to burn a car.

Well, not really. Burning cars make me nervous. But you know.

26 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:40:58pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, with John Cleese on my mind, I can't resist:

"Ooohh, you English are sooo superior aren't you? Well, do you want to know where you'd be without us, the good old U.S. of A. to protect you? The smallest fucking province in the Russian Empire! That's what! So don't call me stupid lady, just thank me!"

"Well thank you, for popping in and protecting us."

"If it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking German! Singing Deutschland, Deutschland, uber alles...YEAH!"

Is that from the Fawlty Towers episode where Basil/Cleese is giving some German gusts a hard time?

27 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:44:29pm

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't normally join in bashing the French recreationally, but I do have to comment that there was a town where they refused, not so long ago, to put up a memorial honoring the Resistance fighters from the area.

Why?

All the names were German Jewish ones.

Unbelievable. Or, maybe not.

28 Drogheda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:45:10pm

re: #26 Gang of One

Is that from the Fawlty Towers episode where Basil/Cleese is giving some German gusts a hard time?

Google says that quote is from A Fish Called Wanda.

That episode of Fawlty Towers you mention is the one where Basil starts goose-stepping around.

29 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:49:55pm

Denmark scores! Beautiful strike!

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:53:54pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

Fish Called Wanda is just the greatest film. :D

"ASSHOOO0O0O0OLEEE!!!"

31 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:54:11pm

Gonna grab some lunch. BBIAB

32 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:54:55pm

Oh Rush, you so crazy

33 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:55:02pm

I remember the Pork Stew stories from a few years ago. What we didn't understand at the time was the tradition of using it as a was to exclude Jews. This sausage party is the same thing done by the same bigots.

34 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:56:14pm

/Food, booze & politics... thread heaven :)

35 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:56:18pm

Identity soup? Is that like alphabet soup for illiterate racists?
/

36 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:57:05pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

That is fascinating. I didn't know all this food strategy was going on.

What about the OT ban on shellfish? Does that count too?

37 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:57:20pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I remember the Pork Stew stories from a few years ago. What we didn't understand at the time was the tradition of using it as a was to exclude Jews. This sausage party is the same thing done by the same bigots.

It's old-style European racial/ethnic nastiness. Deliberate mean-spirited provocation. That's what Pamela Geller is working hard to bring to America.

38 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:57:37pm

re: #35 Sand Panda

Identity soup? Is that like alphabet soup for illiterate racists?
/

/ no it's more like you can have a bowl but I need to see your papers first.

39 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:59:29pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

By the way, in a 2007 post about another French pork party, I did note that it was probably targeted at Jews as well as Muslims:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

40 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:01:20pm

re: #29 HoosierHoops

Denmark scores! Beautiful strike!

More shots on goal in 70 minutes of this game than in the last 3 games put together!

41 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:01:42pm

And my point from that post still holds, too -- the French don't cancel these events because the events are antisemitic. They cancel them because they don't want riots.

42 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:02:01pm

From Wikipedia:
Marranos or 'secret Jews' were Sephardic Jews, or Jewish people living in the Iberian peninsula, forced to convert to Catholicism-Christianity or be expelled from the Kingdoms of Castile and Aragon (Spain). This designation officially began in 1492 with the Castilian Alhambra Decree, reversing protections in the Treaty of Granada (1491), and used for conversos, or ' confirmed converts', at first. However, soon Marranos was used for people that continued to practice Judaism secretly, crypto-Jews preserving their Jewish identity, 'the secret Jews' or judíos escondidos (in Hebrew Anusim).

Marrano in 15th century Spanish first meant pig, from the ritual prohibition against eating pork, practiced by both Jews and Muslims. During the Spanish Inquisition Marrano acquired the pejorative meanings: "filthy-pig" (sucio); swine (sin escrúpulos); and "filthy-dirty". In contemporary Spanish the word is no longer associated with Jews. In contemporary Portuguese the word refers only to crypto-Jews, with marrão meaning the animal pig or swine.

Apparently, a test of whether someone was a true Christian was to offer them a bite of morcilla, or pork blood sausage (i.e a doubly taboo foodstuff). If they refused, they were arrested. Some Jews, who had feigned their conversion, actually took to creating fake kosher morcillas, which they stained red with paprika and other edible dyes.

43 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:02:23pm

re: #39 Charles

By the way, in a 2007 post about another French pork party, I did note that it was probably targeted at Jews as well as Muslims:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Nice catch. I didn't really wake up until after the Vlaams Belang stuff.

44 Graphictruth  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:04:02pm

First "Teabaggers" proudly name themselves Teabaggers, and now, Sausage-Eaters...

Facepalm.

Sometimes, it just seems too damn easy. Call me old-fashioned, but it seems that in this case, a quote may well be usefully mangled:

"In a land of lackwits, the half-wit is king."

45 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:06:07pm

re: #44 Graphictruth

Are you equating all members of the various Tea Party groups with Nazis?

46 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:06:14pm

re: #40 bratwurst

More shots on goal in 70 minutes of this game than in the last 3 games put together!

I can't believe the new Adidas ball is wobbling. It looks much smoother than those stitched paneled balls I remember from years ago.

47 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:06:37pm

re: #44 Graphictruth

Have any of them held such a protest in America?

48 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:10:42pm

re: #46 Linden Arden

I can't believe the new Adidas ball is wobbling. It looks much smoother than those stitched paneled balls I remember from years ago.

I hate the new ball..It just flies up...I think you need more panels so they cut in the air.. Bend it like Beckham.. The ball is just flying off

49 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:13:16pm

During the Inquisition, suspicion would often fall upon those discovered cooking adafina, a rich stew of chicken and chickpeas, which, due to its damningly long, slow cooking time was traditionally consumed by Sephardic Jews over the Sabbath. So, another test of newly-found, purported Christian belief was the insitence that pork or pork fat was added to the adafina. If a Christian neighbour saw that the adafina contained no pork, the chef could suffer dire consequences.

50 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:14:31pm

re: #44 Graphictruth

But "sausage party" has been in slang usage for a long time.

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:15:32pm

re: #26 Gang of One

Is that from the Fawlty Towers episode where Basil/Cleese is giving some German gusts a hard time?

No, A Fish Called Wanda. Kevin Kline is pretending to be a CIA agent, after having been caught in John Cleese's home by his wife.

52 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:16:24pm

Aw man. 47. I remember the great 60 Minutes story on him.

An associate of former NBA player Manute Bol says Bol has died at a Virginia hospital, where he was being treated for severe kidney trouble and a painful skin condition.

Sudan Sunrise executive director Tom Prichard says in an e-mail that the 7-foot-6 Bol died Saturday morning at the University of Virginia Hospital in Charlottesville.

Manute Bol played 10 seasons in the NBA and later founded Sudan Sunrise, a humanitarian group based in Lenexa, Kan., that promotes reconciliation in Sudan.

[Link: nbcsports.msnbc.com...]

53 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:18:06pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Oh no..He was so young!

54 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:18:46pm

I seem to remember that Manute was quite a humanitarian. I don't recall the particulars.

RIP Manute.

55 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:21:06pm

Charles,

Check your link to Unité Radicale here:

The Bloc Identitaire is a French far right political group. It was founded in 2003 by some former members of Unité Radicale and several other far right sympathizers, including Fabrice Robert, former Unité Radicale member, former elected representative of the

It's not working.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

56 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:25:16pm

Google: "Unité Radicale" site:les-identitaires.com

57 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:26:22pm

re: #55 Gus 802

Fixed now -- also fixed the link to Action Francaise. The European characters in the links were messing them up.

58 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:27:18pm

re: #57 Charles

Fixed now -- also fixed the link to Action Francaise. The European characters in the links were messing them up.

That's what I thought.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:27:28pm

OT but funny: "The Three Terrors"--Ahmadinejad, Erdogan and Assad sing opera.

60 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:33:13pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

OT but funny: "The Three Terrors"--Ahmadinejad, Erdogan and Assad sing opera.

Jihad is sweet, jihad is fun.

Who wrote that song?

61 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:34:33pm

re: #60 MandyManners

Jihad is sweet, jihad is fun.

Who wrote that song?

Tal Gilad.

62 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:35:30pm

re: #60 MandyManners

Jihad is sweet, jihad is fun.

Who wrote that song?

Caroline Glick is the editor in chief.

Bravo, Glick. Bravo.

63 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:40:26pm

re: #57 Charles

The European characters in the links on the rechts were messing them up.

Going for a little bilingual humor, there. Unfortunately, I'm not fluent enough to tell whether it's funny.

64 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:43:00pm

WTF?!

They're serious.

65 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:43:08pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Caroline Glick is the editor in chief.

Bravo, Glick. Bravo.

Oh, Caroline Glick,
You are so slick,
With a verbal flick,
Jihadi hicks
are licked

66 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:45:23pm

re: #64 Charles

WTF?!

They're serious.

At first blush this sounds like an outlandish question with a conspiratorial twist.

At second and third blush too.

67 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:45:46pm

re: #64 Charles

WTF?!

They're serious.

If your first paragraph looks like this, just stop.
Yeesh. Idiots.

At first blush this sounds like an outlandish question with a conspiratorial twist. The corollary question goes like this: Is the Obama administration intentionally scaling back clean-up efforts in the Gulf in an attempt to maximize the damage so Democrats in Congress will have an excuse to take effective control over yet another major sector of our economy and impose crippling and draconian new taxes on the American people?
68 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:46:15pm

re: #64 Charles

WTF?!

They're serious.

Yup, & people have been whispering that for a while...

69 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:46:29pm

What did I miss?

Been out back,killing illegal immigrants!

Sonsabitches were eating my broccoli and Brussels sprouts!

[Link: www.nysipm.cornell.edu...]

70 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:46:43pm

re: #66 bratwurst

At second and third blush too.

I'm not even on my first blush yet; that page keeps on crashing my browser. Anyone else having problems?

71 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:48:16pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Caroline Glick is the editor in chief.

Bravo, Glick. Bravo.

Noam Jacobson is the lead vocal artist and head songwriter. He probably sang all 3 parts of The 3 Terrors.

Tribal Update 55 is out today:

Youtube Video
72 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:49:17pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Caroline Glick is the editor in chief.

Bravo, Glick. Bravo.

Caroline Glick is one of the morons who supports Geller.

73 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:49:31pm

re: #64 Charles

Heh, the first comment...


Stuff It, 9/11 Truthers...
Intentionally? That's the kind of language leftist haters of President Bush (like I used to be) said about how 9/11 was an inside job. Or that there is some sort of North American Union being concocted by Vilderburgs and Soroses and Buffets. Please keep it up, though, because that's the type of stuff that will keep my man Obama in office. So thanks for the campaign stumping.
74 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:50:22pm

Oh crap,I shouldn't have posted that(#69),it's racial profiling,Obama might sue me.

Bwahahahahaha

75 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:51:39pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

Ugh, she does? A pity her name has such a nice rhyming structure.

76 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:52:14pm

re: #73 Varek Raith

Heh, the first comment...

I don't think they are intentionally hindering efforts, but I think it would be naive to think that both sides would not use the situation to their best advantage.

77 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:52:44pm

re: #76 brookly red

I don't think they are intentionally hindering efforts, but I think it would be naive to think that both sides would not use the situation to their best advantage.

No shit.

78 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:54:33pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

Caroline Glick is one of the morons who supports Geller.

Then again, in the grand tradition of glowing review vox pops, you have to wonder how much of the damn thing she actually read before cracking open a thesaurus in search of some of the juicier superlatives.

79 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:55:24pm

What a tangled web we weave...Geller loves the far right that hates Muslims and Jews and many Muslims (e.g., Hamas, Hezbollah, Free Gaza supporters) love the far right that hates Jews. It's enough to boggle the mind. Remember, David Duke is a guest columnist in Arab News.

80 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:56:14pm

re: #79 Truth Dr.

What a tangled web we weave...Geller loves the far right that hates Muslims and Jews and many Muslims (e.g., Hamas, Hezbollah, Free Gaza supporters) love the far right that hates Jews. It's enough to boggle the mind. Remember, David Duke is a guest columnist in Arab News.

the enemy of my enemy...

81 webevintage  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:56:25pm

These “pork parties” are a long tradition on the French far right; back in the day they were targeted against Jews by the very same groups and people.

You learn something new everyday.
A PORK party.
How awesome could that be if only the assholes and racists had not thought of it first as a way to be racists and assholes.
And who knew meat products could be used as a way to prove one is patriotic to their country.
Nuts...all of them are nuts.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:56:28pm

re: #64 Charles

WTF?!

They're serious.

Yes. They are.

83 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:57:29pm

re: #81 webevintage

These “pork parties” are a long tradition on the French far right; back in the day they were targeted against Jews by the very same groups and people.

You learn something new everyday.
A PORK party.
How awesome could that be if only the assholes and racists had not thought of it first as a way to be racists and assholes.
And who knew meat products could be used as a way to prove one is patriotic to their country.
Nuts...all of them are nuts.

/sigh... so much for July 4th BBQs...

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:57:31pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

Caroline Glick is one of the morons who supports Geller.

She's not my favorite political analyst, true. I thought this was entertaining, though.

85 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:57:50pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

1. Rooting for England against Algeria? Isn't it polite to root for a former colony against a traditional enemy? (OK, I know they had some serious Algeria problems, but hell, it's ENGLAND.)

2. What does it mean to 'distribute popular soups containing pork'? Do they have soup kitchens, or soup festivals, or what?

3. Pam, you know how you like to tell people like me that we're only being nice to Muslims in the hopes that they'll kill us last? These folks won't kill you and me last. We're number two on the list, and only because they're more scared of the Muslims than they are of us.


Answer to 2: Yes, there is a tradition of outdoor soup kitchens for the poor and/or homeless in Paris. These people were 'piggybacking' on the idea to make a political statement.

86 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:57:55pm

re: #81 webevintage

These “pork parties” are a long tradition on the French far right; back in the day they were targeted against Jews by the very same groups and people.

You learn something new everyday.
A PORK party.
How awesome could that be if only the assholes and racists had not thought of it first as a way to be racists and assholes.
And who knew meat products could be used as a way to prove one is patriotic to their country.
Nuts...all of them are nuts.

Whereas ordinary people just have a barbecue, with vegetarian quiche on the side for those that want...

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:58:28pm

re: #76 brookly red

I don't think they are intentionally hindering efforts, but I think it would be naive to think that both sides would not use the situation to their best advantage.

Ya mean, like apologizing to the company that allowed this to happen, to make the President look bad?

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:59:14pm

re: #81 webevintage

These “pork parties” are a long tradition on the French far right; back in the day they were targeted against Jews by the very same groups and people.

You learn something new everyday.
A PORK party.
How awesome could that be if only the assholes and racists had not thought of it first as a way to be racists and assholes.
And who knew meat products could be used as a way to prove one is patriotic to their country.
Nuts...all of them are nuts.

Barbecue. Americans do it better. And with sauce.

89 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:59:46pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

Caroline Glick is one of the morons who supports Geller.

Glick agreed with what Geller wrote in her book on Obama. I don't think that means that she agrees with Geller aligning herself with the far right. I haven't read Geller's book so I can't comment on what it said.

As for the pork parties, I think these days you'd probably get lots of Jews attending -- there's nothing better than juicy pork ribs slathered in BBQ sauce along with an ice cold Michelob to wash it down.

90 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:59:47pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

Ya mean, like apologizing to the company that allowed this to happen, to make the President look bad?

well that was not exactly what I had in mind no.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:59:52pm

re: #85 ryannon

Answer to 2: Yes, there is a tradition of outdoor soup kitchens for the poor and/or homeless in Paris. These people were 'piggybacking' on the idea to make a political statement.

Thanks, I wasn't totally clear.

92 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:00:18pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

Caroline Glick is one of the morons who supports Geller.

Caroline, who is a superlative journalist and lady, wrote a review of a book on a particular subject. That doesn't mean she is an all out supporter of either of the authors. The world is not just a black and white venue.

93 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:00:51pm

OT: I want to do dark and terrible things to the people who make the viruses that masquerade as anti-virus protection. The desktop just picked one up. Renaming the Task Manager to iexplore.exe let me back in so I could actually shut the damn virus off and start up MWB. Grrr.

94 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:01:20pm

re: #85 ryannon

I suppose that they were banking on the old chestnut "beggars can't be choosers". Maybe they were mean-spirited enough to hope that an observant Jewish or Muslim homeless person would feel desperate enough to accept a bowl of hot soup, knowing full well that it contained pork.

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:01:22pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. They are.

Insane conspiracy theories ahoy! Townhall.com is such a hilarious rag, owned by kooky so-cons: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

They own KPDQ here in Portland, which is easily the most insane station on the dial. During the day, normal boring sermon stuff, during the night, apocalyptic left-behind-Obama-is-the-antichrist-Yoga-is-satanic-EVERYBODYPANIC

96 AK-47%  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:01:47pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. They are.

I like their damning quote "why let anything as trivial as the truth get in the way?"

Why let anything as irrelevant as the truth have anything to do with it at all?

And as Rush already informed us, the platform was sabotaged my environmental whacko ecoterrorists!!!

And remember that the Jewish feast of Hannukah was about an endless flow of oil for the lamps, so I already see the hand of a Zionist conspiracy in here too...

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:01:58pm

re: #89 Truth Dr.

re: #72 wrenchwench

Caroline Glick is one of the morons who supports Geller.

Glick agreed with what Geller wrote in her book on Obama. I don't think that means that she agrees with Geller aligning herself with the far right. I haven't read Geller's book so I can't comment on what it said.

As for the pork parties, I think these days you'd probably get lots of Jews attending -- there's nothing better than juicy pork ribs slathered in BBQ sauce along with an ice cold Michelob to wash it down.

Glick should know better, and she's been part of the group that's been portraying Obama as Teh Enemeee since before he got into office.

And yes, there are plenty of Jews who eat pork. That said, if they're going to commit that particular aveirah, I'd rather they do it with a better class of people.

98 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:02:35pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

Caroline Glick is one of the morons who supports Geller.

Glick questions Obama's level of support for Israel. As an Israeli, there is nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with questioning Obama's commitment to Israel as long as the debate is rational and intelligent. The hyperbole of the "birthers" is just as obscene as the hyperbole of the "9/11 truthers".

99 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:02:47pm

re: #93 JasonA

Have you tried HijackThis? It's a useful little freeware utility that allows you to log and kill all working processes and start-up items.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:02:56pm

re: #92 bj

Caroline, who is a superlative journalist and lady, wrote a review of a book on a particular subject. That doesn't mean she is an all out supporter of either of the authors. The world is not just a black and white venue.

I think you have to be fairly out of touch to simply write a review of Geller's book and not know who she is.

I wouldn't accept that from any left-wing writer who claimed to just not KNOW enough about the person who wrote a crazy book.

101 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:03:10pm

re: #95 WindUpBird

Insane conspiracy theories ahoy! Townhall.com is such a hilarious rag, owned by kooky so-cons: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

They own KPDQ here in Portland, which is easily the most insane station on the dial. During the day, normal boring sermon stuff, during the night, apocalyptic left-behind-Obama-is-the-antichrist-Yoga-is-satani c-EVERYBODYPANIC

Owner of Hot Air. You know what's funny? The last month I was reading some far-right blogger wingnut stuff and some of them think that Salem Communications is part of the "homosexual agenda."

They're all weird.

102 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:03:35pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you have to be fairly out of touch to simply write a review of Geller's book and not know who she is.

I wouldn't accept that from any left-wing writer who claimed to just not KNOW enough about the person who wrote a crazy book.

Caroline Glick is well aware of the controversies around Pamela Geller. Trust me on this.

103 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:03:48pm

re: #99 Sand Panda

Have you tried HijackThis? It's a useful little freeware utility that allows you to log and kill all working processes and start-up items.

oh really?

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:04:16pm

re: #94 Sand Panda

I suppose that they were banking on the old chestnut "beggars can't be choosers". Maybe they were mean-spirited enough to hope that an observant Jewish or Muslim homeless person would feel desperate enough to accept a bowl of hot soup, knowing full well that it contained pork.

I'm quite sure they were, and also, as they keep repeating, they wanted to feed their 'compatriots', not outsiders.

To hell with the poor who don't share my ethnicity...I'm sure it says that in the Bible somewhere, I just haven't found it yet.

105 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:04:32pm

re: #89 Truth Dr.

re: #72 wrenchwench

Caroline Glick is one of the morons who supports Geller.

Glick agreed with what Geller wrote in her book on Obama. I don't think that means that she agrees with Geller aligning herself with the far right. I haven't read Geller's book so I can't comment on what it said.

As for the pork parties, I think these days you'd probably get lots of Jews attending -- there's nothing better than juicy pork ribs slathered in BBQ sauce along with an ice cold Michelob to wash it down.

Count me in! I love barbecue (lax Jew here).

/Just not in front of my super-religious cousins. Shhh...

106 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:04:36pm

re: #99 Sand Panda

Have you tried HijackThis? It's a useful little freeware utility that allows you to log and kill all working processes and start-up items.

Nah, I like Malwarebytes. These viruses don't let you start any programs at all, though. You have to trick into letting you start even the Task Manager.

107 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:04:41pm

re: #103 brookly red

oh really?

Yep.

108 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:04:43pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

The French actually fought bravely for the most part. But once the Germans had cut off their best formations in 1940, they had already lost the campaign. They fell not to cowardice, but to superior German organization, strategy, tactics, and leadership.

Which De Gaulle had warned them about in the mid-30s. Warning ignored. In essence, the French High Command was still fighting WWI at the outbreak of WWII. They never had a chance.

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:04:50pm

re: #92 bj

Caroline, who is a superlative journalist and lady, wrote a review of a book on a particular subject. That doesn't mean she is an all out supporter of either of the authors. The world is not just a black and white venue.

She's casting in with racist psychos. If she's superlative, she might want to, you know, not be all YAY AWESOME, TOTALLY INSANE BIGOTED PERSON I LIKE YOU!!

110 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:04:57pm

#97 San Francisco Zionist

I don't think Glick's views on Obama are wrong and she voices her opinion in a respectful manner. I have more concerns right now that the MSM hasn't turned to the fact that Turkey is wholly responsible for the whole Flotilla mess and that it is who should be held accountable.

111 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:05:16pm

re: #106 JasonA

Nah, I like Malwarebytes. These viruses don't let you start any programs at all, though. You have to trick into letting you start even the Task Manager.

Safe mode.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:05:37pm

re: #98 Truth Dr.

re: #72 wrenchwench

Caroline Glick is one of the morons who supports Geller.

Glick questions Obama's level of support for Israel. As an Israeli, there is nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with questioning Obama's commitment to Israel as long as the debate is rational and intelligent. The hyperbole of the "birthers" is just as obscene as the hyperbole of the "9/11 truthers".

I just don't think Pam Geller is capable of 'rational and intelligent' any longer, and she is definitely a birther.

Glancing at the website of the author of the book would have told Glick everything she needed to know.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:07:00pm

re: #110 Truth Dr.

#97 San Francisco Zionist

I don't think Glick's views on Obama are wrong and she voices her opinion in a respectful manner. I have more concerns right now that the MSM hasn't turned to the fact that Turkey is wholly responsible for the whole Flotilla mess and that it is who should be held accountable.

I think that Glick's views on Obama are overwrought, and her writing is getting less insightful and more paranoid.

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:07:07pm

re: #92 bj

These editorial reviews are all psycho. I wodner if a single one of these people believes any of it, or if it's just mindless apocalyptic gibberish aimed at Republicans.

115 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:07:08pm

Geller is hysterical in her opposition to Muslims. However, it seems that there has been a chill on legitimate criticism of Islam. CAIR has been doing its job.

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:08:06pm

re: #115 Truth Dr.

Geller is hysterical in her opposition to Muslims. However, it seems that there has been a chill on legitimate criticism of Islam. CAIR has been doing its job.

Exactly how has there been a 'chill on legitimate criticism of Islam', given that there is a thriving and profitable cottage industry in hysterical opposition to Muslims?

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:08:13pm

re: #110 Truth Dr.

#97 San Francisco Zionist

I don't think Glick's views on Obama are wrong and she voices her opinion in a respectful manner. I have more concerns right now that the MSM hasn't turned to the fact that Turkey is wholly responsible for the whole Flotilla mess and that it is who should be held accountable.

She's respectfully throwing in with panicked lunatics, of course

You know, very respectful

118 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:08:13pm

re: #114 WindUpBird

These editorial reviews are all psycho. I wodner if a single one of these people believes any of it, or if it's just mindless apocalyptic gibberish aimed at Republicans.

Why can't both be true?

119 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:08:19pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you have to be fairly out of touch to simply write a review of Geller's book and not know who she is.

I wouldn't accept that from any left-wing writer who claimed to just not KNOW enough about the person who wrote a crazy book.

A book review isn't totally indicative of a person's political views and writing one doesn't make a person a moron. I don't agree with this admins treatment of Israel, does that make me a moron? BTW, I am neither right nor left and especially not far - either.

120 AK-47%  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:08:29pm

re: #108 ryannon

Which De Gaulle had warned them about in the mid-30s. Warning ignored. In essence, the French High Command was still fighting WWI at the outbreak of WWII. They never had a chance.


They also had a WWI-vintage command system which took up to 48 hours to get a response from headquarters to shift troops to the front line.

By the time local units received a reply, the German Panzer formations had already broken through and moved on another 150 miles down the road...

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:08:31pm

re: #115 Truth Dr.

Geller is hysterical in her opposition to Muslims. However, it seems that there has been a chill on legitimate criticism of Islam. CAIR has been doing its job.

Oh look, a concern troll!

122 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:09:17pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Here it is:

My comments criticizing CPAC for inviting a radical gay rights group, GOPROUD, to serve as a sponsor of this year's conference, and criticizing Salem Communications for turning the Hot Air blog into a forum for advancing the homosexual agenda, has stirred up a bit of dust storm in the blogosphere.

Hot Air responded, in an oxymoronically-entitled piece, "In defense of gay conservatives", defending its decision to allow aggressive advocates of special rights for homosexuals to use its Christian-owned space to push their cause, and taking issue with me along the way.

123 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:09:21pm

re: #103 brookly red

Here's a link:

[Link: test.trendsecure.com...]

Although you have to be fairly confident in what you're doing, as it doesn't discriminate between malware, benign software, or even what is essential to the running of your computer. Caveat emptor, or whatever on earth the Latin would be for "downloader".

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:09:39pm

re: #118 Renaissance_Man

Why can't both be true?

It could be! I just find it hard to believe that anyone capable of tying their own shoes would say something like this:

Barack Obama is the most radical individual ever to occupy the White House.

But maybe they're that out of touch, who knows!

125 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:10:15pm

re: #114 WindUpBird

These editorial reviews are all psycho. I wodner if a single one of these people believes any of it, or if it's just mindless apocalyptic gibberish aimed at Republicans.

Could be the fee paid. That happens.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:10:34pm

re: #119 bj

A book review isn't totally indicative of a person's political views and writing one doesn't make a person a moron. I don't agree with this admins treatment of Israel, does that make me a moron? BTW, I am neither right nor left and especially not far - either.

Geller is not a person a respectable journalist should want to be associated with. Glick is throwing in with the crazy people. This disturbs me, since I remember when she showed much better taste.

127 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:10:42pm

re: #123 Sand Panda

Here's a link:

[Link: test.trendsecure.com...]

Although you have to be fairly confident in what you're doing, as it doesn't discriminate between malware, benign software, or even what is essential to the running of your computer. Caveat emptor, or whatever on earth the Latin would be for "downloader".

will it turn off Java at start up... if so I will take my chances.

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:11:42pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Owner of Hot Air. You know what's funny? The last month I was reading some far-right blogger wingnut stuff and some of them think that Salem Communications is part of the "homosexual agenda."

They're all weird.

It's like they're jumping at every shadow now. is HE a cryptoqueer? How about you?! Answer the question! Are you part of the MUSLIM GAY OBAMA AGENDA?!?

129 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:12:27pm

Nobody submits a favorable review of a book unless they either have a favorable opinion of the author, or they want something from the author.

130 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:12:27pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

Darn - my google fu is lacking. ;)

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:13:31pm

re: #119 bj

A book review isn't totally indicative of a person's political views and writing one doesn't make a person a moron. I don't agree with this admins treatment of Israel, does that make me a moron? BTW, I am neither right nor left and especially not far - either.

She's not a moron, she's just endorsing terrible people. Could be because she believes what the terrible people have said and she actually DOES want to throw in with them, could be that she just has no idea.

132 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:14:05pm

re: #127 brookly red

I think so.

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:14:11pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

Nobody submits a favorable review of a book unless they either have a favorable opinion of the author, or they want something from the author.

The sausage being made!

134 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:14:37pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

Safe mode.

Some of them disable safe mode.

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:14:37pm

re: #125 bj

Could be the fee paid. That happens.

?

136 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:14:52pm

Wind Up Doll

I've been a long-time poster on LGF and am disturbed by the fact that we have an honour killing in Canada and the MSM plays it as male violence against women rather than a young girl's failure to submit to her father's orders to wear a hijab and not socialize with friends (Aqsa Parvez).

As well, people are afraid to question so-called mainstream Islamic groups like the Canadian Islamic Congress' outright support of terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah for fear of offending sensibilities. This group, for example, speaks of Islamic values of peace and fellowship while at the same time promoting Hamas and Hezbollah, two genocidal anti-semitic groups. If Hamas and Hezbollah represent what Islam is about, then how wrong is Spencer? He's wrong because I know Ismaili Muslims and Ahamadi Muslims who are the most peaceful people I know. Interestingly, they are fans of Israel and don't buy into this Radical Islamic/Hard Left/Hard Right convergence against Israel.

137 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:15:01pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

It's like they're jumping at every shadow now. is HE a cryptoqueer? How about you?! Answer the question! Are you part of the MUSLIM GAY OBAMA AGENDA?!?

It's part of the new Teabagger McCarthyism. "Look out for that there Homersexul Agender!!!1"

138 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:15:03pm

re: #124 WindUpBird

But maybe they're that out of touch, who knows!

When your mind is numbed from constant cult dogma, and part of your daily routine is to seek out a diet of outrage and anger, overwhelming hyperbole and stupidity sound like normal chitchat.

139 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:15:36pm

re: #134 JasonA

Some of them disable safe mode.

Damn.
That's a "good" virus...

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:15:42pm

re: #134 JasonA

Some of them disable safe mode.

boot from jump drive!

But yeah, these things are fucked, I had to clear one off my netbook a couple weeks ago. It did some proxy redirect thing, it was a bitch.

141 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:16:24pm

re: #94 Sand Panda

I suppose that they were banking on the old chestnut "beggars can't be choosers". Maybe they were mean-spirited enough to hope that an observant Jewish or Muslim homeless person would feel desperate enough to accept a bowl of hot soup, knowing full well that it contained pork.

I don't think that there was even that amount of fractional benevolence involved. The idea was to make a political statement, period. Message: France for 'the French' - all others, go home.

142 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:16:33pm

re: #136 Truth Dr.

Wind Up Doll

I've been a long-time poster on LGF...

There's an opening to be proud of.

///

143 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:16:58pm

re: #134 JasonA

If you can, try disabling your internet connection. Try and think like a general; cut the enemy's lines of communication.

144 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:17:10pm

FORMAT FIXES EVERYTHING.
:)

145 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:17:40pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Geller is not a person a respectable journalist should want to be associated with. Glick is throwing in with the crazy people. This disturbs me, since I remember when she showed much better taste.

Then I wish Caroline better judgment - Sh'koyach. People do make mistakes sometimes and that is a possibility. For all you and I know, she regrets it or that blurb was taken out of context. 10 to 1 Caroline isn't aware of it being seen as political support of someone like geller. But it would be best to ask the lady herself about her views rather than stoop to calling her names on a blog because of a silly book review. In fact, all this hype over geller is silly. She isn't worth the bandwidth.

146 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:17:49pm

re: #144 Varek Raith

FORMAT FIXES EVERYTHING.
:)

And a nuclear blast will also crack a nut...

147 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:17:54pm

re: #71 bj

Tribal Update 55 is out today:

[Video]

Why is conservative humor often so vindictive and unfunny? Tribal Update is like the Half Hour News Hour minus FOX's good sense in pulling the plug:

Youtube Video
148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:18:00pm

re: #136 Truth Dr.

sorry, still not buying your line that there's a chilling effect on criticizing radical islam

149 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:18:20pm

#142 wrenchwench

It certainly is something to be proud of as true lizards know that issues are not black and white - there's shades of grey. And ad hominem attacks are not the way of the lizard.

150 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:18:25pm

make of this what you will, but the headline on Drudge now reads:
BP CEO goes sailing
Obama goes golfing

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:18:30pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

There's an opening to be proud of.

///

I'll take it! Dude probably hasn't seen my bird costume avatar, hahaha

152 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:18:57pm

re: #150 brookly red

make of this what you will, but the headline on Drudge now reads:
BP CEO goes sailing
Obama goes golfing

I'll make it into toilet paper!

Drudge headlines are strictly for the lulz

153 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:19:02pm

re: #146 Sand Panda

And a nuclear blast will also crack a nut...

Until you try reloading old files.

154 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:19:10pm

re: #146 Sand Panda

And a nuclear blast will also crack a nut...

:P
I got my laptop set up to do a full format with the most recent updates and all my crap in less than 15 minutes.

155 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:19:15pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

?

Fees are paid (sometimes) to the authors of printed reviews.

156 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:20:51pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Why is conservative humor often so vindictive and unfunny? Tribal Update is like the Half Hour News Hour minus FOX's good sense in pulling the plug:


It's because it's politics first, as opposed to funny first. Dull and obvious.

157 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:21:00pm

re: #140 WindUpBird

boot from jump drive!

But yeah, these things are fucked, I had to clear one off my netbook a couple weeks ago. It did some proxy redirect thing, it was a bitch.

All you have to do is go to your windows/system32 directory and find taskmgr.exe. Copy and paste that somewhere and rename it iexplore.exe. Double click that and it'll bring up your Task Manager. Go to processes and find the virus. It's usually named some random gibberish. End it. Then update your AV and run it. Quickest way to get rid of those things that I know of. Well, quickest without switching to a Mac...

158 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:21:19pm

re: #152 WindUpBird

I'll make it into toilet paper!

Drudge headlines are strictly for the lulz

/well I know that you will find this hard to believe but his audience is somewhat larger than yours.

159 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:21:23pm

re: #149 Truth Dr.

I'll look for your definition of "true lizards" right after your definition of "legitimate criticism of Islam".

160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:21:33pm

re: #145 bj

In fact, all this hype over geller is silly. She isn't worth the bandwidth.

Oh look someone else who thinks LGF should stop talking about Geller

161 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:21:42pm

I actually went to a National Front rally years ago. And sure, enough, there was a stand selling pork paté sandwiches and red wine.

Both were quite good, and the people, super-friendly. Also, that was the year that the thugs in the tail-end of the procession leading to the rally pushed a North African guy into the Seine and watched as he drowned.

162 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:21:50pm

re: #157 JasonA

All you have to do is go to your windows/system32 directory and find taskmgr.exe. Copy and paste that somewhere and rename it iexplore.exe. Double click that and it'll bring up your Task Manager. Go to processes and find the virus. It's usually named some random gibberish. End it. Then update your AV and run it. Quickest way to get rid of those things that I know of. Well, quickest without switching to a Mac...

MACS CAN'T PLAY MY GAMES!
AND NO EMULATOR BS!
:P

163 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:22:10pm

#148 Wind Up Bird

How many in the MSM have asked members of CAIR, ISNA or in Canada the Canadian Islamic Congress how they advocate that Muslims seek peace and that it is non-violent while at the same time these organizations advocate for groups like Hamas. One only need to put the Hamas charter in front of them and ask them how this reconciles with a religion of peace. It is well past due for the paid Saudi funded hacks be put on the hot seat. They've been driving the agenda of the North American Muslim community for too long.

164 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:22:47pm

re: #141 ryannon

Maybe. Although I would be interested in one of the legally-minded Lizards weighing in on this. Private businesses and clubs are allowed to discriminate in provision of services (I think), i.e. some golf-clubs still relegate women to the club bar, and some charities direct their services solely towards specific groups, often de facto ethnic ones i.e. Jewish charities. From that standpoint, how legal is all this?

165 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:22:50pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Why is conservative humor often so vindictive and unfunny? Tribal Update is like the Half Hour News Hour minus FOX's good sense in pulling the plug:


[Video]

What is "conservative" about Tribal Updates. LOL

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:23:31pm

re: #158 brookly red

/well I know that you will find this hard to believe but his audience is somewhat larger than yours.

Yeah? And so's Bridezilla's audience. And that's a steaming pile too!

If you measure "correct" and "trustworthy" by "popularity", you have a long way to go man

167 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:23:59pm

re: #143 Sand Panda

If you can, try disabling your internet connection. Try and think like a general; cut the enemy's lines of communication.

Once you've stopped the process you're safe until the system's been rebooted.

168 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:24:18pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

Yeah? And so's Bridezilla's audience. And that's a steaming pile too!

If you measure "correct" and "trustworthy" by "popularity", you have a long way to go man

McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in America. Make of that what you will.

169 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:24:27pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

To hell with the poor who don't share my ethnicity...I'm sure it says that in the Bible somewhere, I just haven't found it yet.

It totally says that. The hiccup is that whoever is saying it consistently ends up as a target of righteous ire;)

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:24:33pm

re: #159 wrenchwench

I'll look for your definition of "true lizards" right after your definition of "legitimate criticism of Islam".

high five :D

171 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:24:50pm

#159 Wrenchwench

It's likely not criticism of Islam per se but criticism of those who claim to represent Muslims, such as CAIR, and the Canadian Islamic Congress who advocate on behalf of Hamas and Hezbollah. If they advocate on behalf of these terrorist organizations whose ideology is rooted in a hateful, genocidal version of Islam, how can they claim to be promoting a peaceful religion. As I noted, Ismaili and Ahamdi Muslims live a peaceful version of Islam.

172 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:24:53pm

re: #154 Varek Raith

:P
I got my laptop set up to do a full format with the most recent updates and all my crap in less than 15 minutes.

I don't know whether to be impressed that you're so efficient, or worried that your computer apparently needs to be formatted so often. ;-p

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:25:08pm

re: #155 bj

Fees are paid (sometimes) to the authors of printed reviews.

If she were paid to write that review, that makes her even shittier.

174 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:25:26pm

re: #160 WindUpBird

Oh look someone else who thinks LGF should stop talking about Geller

I don't have a right to my own opinion here, nu? geller is a tired, boring topic ..to me. That you want to waste time on her is, well, it's your business, IMO. Carry on and get off my back.

175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:25:30pm

re: #172 Sand Panda

I don't know whether to be impressed that you're so efficient, or worried that your computer apparently needs to be formatted so often. ;-p

Or you work in IT and you have many many computers to maintain 8-)

176 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:25:32pm

re: #161 ryannon

I actually went to a National Front rally years ago. And sure, enough, there was a stand selling pork paté sandwiches and red wine.

Both were quite good, and the people, super-friendly. Also, that was the year that the thugs in the tail-end of the procession leading to the rally pushed a North African guy into the Seine and watched as he drowned.

You are here: SFGate Home→Collections→Paris
RELATED KEYWORDS:

* Paris
* National Front

EUROPE / 5 Arrested in France In Slaying of Immigrant
May 11, 1995|By Chronicle News Services

05-11) 04:00 PST Paris — 1995-05-11 04:00:00 PST Paris -- Police arrested five people yesterday in the drowning of a Moroccan during a May 1 march by the extreme-rightist National Front party.

Police made the arrests after receiving a tip from a security official within the front, sources said.

The arrests were the first connection between the party and the death of 29-year-old Brahim Bouarrem, who was drowned in the Seine by skinheads said to have been taking part in the National Front march across Paris.

Skinheads Seized in Paris

PARIS, May 10— The police arrested five people today in the drowning of a Moroccan during a May 1 march by the extreme-right National Front, which opposes immigration.

The police made the arrests after receiving a tip from an influential security official within the National Front, officials said.

The arrests were the first connection between the party and the death of the Moroccan, Brahim Bouarrem, 29, who was drowned in the Seine by skinheads said to have been taking part in the National Front march across Paris. The incident triggered new animosity toward the party, which has been accused of racism.

177 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:25:35pm

re: #164 Sand Panda

Maybe. Although I would be interested in one of the legally-minded Lizards weighing in on this. Private businesses and clubs are allowed to discriminate in provision of services (I think), i.e. some golf-clubs still relegate women to the club bar, and some charities direct their services solely towards specific groups, often de facto ethnic ones i.e. Jewish charities. From that standpoint, how legal is all this?

The examples you're citing are unfamiliar to me - to the point of my doubting their veracity. Can you cite specific examples. DOS (denial of service) on racial, religious or ethnic grounds is pretty much illegal in France.

178 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:25:55pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

Yeah? And so's Bridezilla's audience. And that's a steaming pile too!

If you measure "correct" and "trustworthy" by "popularity", you have a long way to go man

just pointing to the fact that the Nero meme is quite popular...

179 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:26:05pm

re: #172 Sand Panda

I don't know whether to be impressed that you're so efficient, or worried that your computer apparently needs to be formatted so often. ;-p

Nope, hadn't had a virus in years. I just love tweaking the OS to run its best.
Yeah, I'm an efficiency freak.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:27:09pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

Nobody submits a favorable review of a book unless they either have a favorable opinion of the author, or they want something from the author.

Or, you're Anne McCaffrey, who may never have read a novel by a fellow sci-fi/fantasy author that she didn't just love.

181 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:27:16pm

The point of the matter is that Geller, Naomi Klein, Noam Chomsky, David Duke, Ernst Zundel, Jimmy Carter and Pat Buchanan are all birds of a feather.

182 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:27:24pm

re: #173 WindUpBird

If she were paid to write that review, that makes her even shittier.

I gave a possibility, not an absolute. Do you know the lady in question?

183 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:27:30pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

It totally says that. The hiccup is that whoever is saying it consistently ends up as a target of righteous ire;)

You have to wonder how many combined man-hours assorted hate groups have spent scouring the Bible and other religious texts in order to justify their bile. To think that they could have actually used the time to contribute something to humanity is just depressing.

184 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:27:56pm

re: #174 bj

I don't have a right to my own opinion here, nu? geller is a tired, boring topic ..to me. That you want to waste time on her is, well, it's your business, IMO. Carry on and get off my back.

Oh look! The title of this thread is:

Little Green Footballs - Pamela Geller Supports Yet Another Fascist Group

Here's an idea. If it's "tired and boring" then go away.

185 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:28:10pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Why is conservative humor often so vindictive and unfunny? Tribal Update is like the Half Hour News Hour minus FOX's good sense in pulling the plug:


[Video]

Because 'Conservative' humour targets an audience that takes themselves very, very seriously, and defines themselves by who they hate. Furthermore, this audience considers the targets of their barbs to be not just of comedic value, but actually evil and subhuman, possessed of no redeeming qualities. This leads to a pretty twisted version of humour, schoolyard bullying at best, and more often than not just vindictive and mean-spirited. It targets the mindset that thinks that comparing Michelle Obama to Worf is hilarious, and would never, ever consider laughing at themselves, because that's what the enemy does.

186 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:28:43pm

re: #183 Sand Panda

You have to wonder how many combined man-hours assorted hate groups have spent scouring the Bible and other religious texts in order to justify their bile. To think that they could have actually used the time to contribute something to humanity is just depressing.

/ironic that they are looking in the wrong book.

187 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:28:58pm

re: #184 Gus 802

Oh look! The title of this thread is:

Little Green Footballs - Pamela Geller Supports Yet Another Fascist Group

Here's an idea. If it's "tired and boring" then go away.

YOU ARE PART OF THE REBEL ALLIANCE AND A TRAITOR!
TAKE HER AWAY!
...

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:29:10pm

re: #137 Gus 802

It's part of the new Teabagger McCarthyism. "Look out for that there Homersexul Agender!!!1"

I was going to say that it feels old-fashioned to me, but then I look at the way they were going after Lindsey Graham...

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:29:43pm

re: #174 bj

I don't have a right to my own opinion here, nu? geller is a tired, boring topic ..to me. That you want to waste time on her is, well, it's your business, IMO. Carry on and get off my back.

You can, it's just a very transparent and obvious partisan opinion that many infrequent posters express. We constantly get these mystery posters who want Charles to stop talking about terrible things the right wing is doing that he finds important, and they often do exactly what you do, they just go "Well this is just boring. I'm soo bored. I'm bored with this racist person who everyone in the right wing seems to adore, I'm booored of Robert Spencer, even though he's influential and right wing news outlets report his nonsense as fact. BOOORING BOOOREED."

The truth is you're not bored, you just really want a partisan angle. If you think LGF's posts are a waste of time, sorry jack. I'm here BECAUSE of what is being reported on Geller and Spencer and Vlaams Belang and all these freaks. It's why I registered.

Guess I'm not a TROO LIZARD BOO HOO *cry sniffle*

190 freetoken  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:29:51pm

re: #185 Renaissance_Man

Because 'Conservative' humour targets an audience that takes themselves very, very seriously, and defines themselves by who they hate.

Lot's of truth in that statement.

191 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:29:54pm

There is a convergence of hate and maybe that's where you have to slot Geller. She's in the I hate Muslim group. Jimmy Carter, Ernst Zundel, Ahmadenijad, Erdogan, Chomsky and Klein (being of Jewish birth doesn't matter in this) hate Jews. David Duke and the groups Geller hangs out with hate both.

192 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:30:18pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

Or, you're Anne McCaffrey, who may never have read a novel by a fellow sci-fi/fantasy author that she didn't just love.

Oh it's so true :D

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:31:04pm

re: #141 ryannon

I don't think that there was even that amount of fractional benevolence involved. The idea was to make a political statement, period. Message: France for 'the French' - all others, go home.

Multiple choice time! The values of French society are best expressed by:

A. The words "Liberté, égalité, fraternité"
B. Pork soup

194 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:31:20pm

re: #184 Gus 802

Oh look! The title of this thread is:

Little Green Footballs - Pamela Geller Supports Yet Another Fascist Group

Here's an idea. If it's "tired and boring" then go away.

Fr***en Sie. May 1000 cockroaches invest your armpits daily. (Old ME curse in case you aren't aware.)

195 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:31:43pm

O Noez! We're giving parts of Arizona back to Mexico!!11!!

Fox's Most Blatant Falsehood Ever?

196 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:32:37pm

re: #177 ryannon

Where I live (in the UK), golf clubs' recalcitrance to allow women members full privileges is practically urban lore, although apparently the new Equality Bill is going to change all of that:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

197 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:32:37pm

re: #194 bj

Fr***en Sie. May 1000 cockroaches invest your armpits daily. (Old ME curse in case you aren't aware.)

Invest?

198 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:32:48pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Multiple choice time! The values of French society are best expressed by:

A. The words "Liberté, égalité, fraternité"
B. Pork soup

well it's that fraternite thingy you know...

199 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:33:12pm

re: #195 JasonA

O Noez! We're giving parts of Arizona back to Mexico!!11!!

Fox's Most Blatant Falsehood Ever?

Damn!

200 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:33:17pm

Huffers outraged at Tony Hayward watching yacht race with his family

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

While WaPo defends Obama's multiple golf outings during same crisis

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

BTW BO golfingest(made-up word) president ever

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

201 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:33:41pm

re: #168 bratwurst

McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in America. Make of that what you will.

I gotta say, after the bars close, their fries taste SO GOOD :D

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:33:56pm

re: #161 ryannon

I actually went to a National Front rally years ago. And sure, enough, there was a stand selling pork paté sandwiches and red wine.

Both were quite good, and the people, super-friendly. Also, that was the year that the thugs in the tail-end of the procession leading to the rally pushed a North African guy into the Seine and watched as he drowned.

Delightful! The ambiance, the appreciation of life...so French!

//

203 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:34:02pm

re: #194 bj

Fr***en Sie. May 1000 cockroaches invest your armpits daily. (Old ME curse in case you aren't aware.)

Can I bum some of your Cheetos to stick in my armpits so those cockroaches can find a reason to invest?

204 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:34:04pm

Bottom line from Glick's point of view may be that I generally agree with what's in the book so I'll endorse it. It seems no one who favorably reviews Naomi Klein, Noam Chomsky, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein or other purveyors of hate and lies are called to account. Unfortunately, Glick should know better.

205 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:34:06pm

re: #195 JasonA

O Noez! We're giving parts of Arizona back to Mexico!!11!!

Fox's Most Blatant Falsehood Ever?

/I keep saying we should give Detroit back to Canada, but do people listen? noooo.

206 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:34:23pm

Just a testing question - I did my first LGF page. Is it visible to others? Thanks.

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:35:09pm

re: #195 JasonA

O Noez! We're giving parts of Arizona back to Mexico!!11!!

Fox's Most Blatant Falsehood Ever?

Now imagine the people who wrote this story, and what they're going to "report" on Obama during 2012.

208 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:35:25pm

re: #206 Casual Talker

Just a testing question - I did my first LGF page. Is it visible to others? Thanks.

Yes.
:)

209 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:35:31pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

Nope, hadn't had a virus in years. I just love tweaking the OS to run its best.
Yeah, I'm an efficiency freak.

Hmm, a PC gaming efficiency freak. If I pay for the airfare, will you come over here and fix my computer? ;)

210 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:36:14pm

re: #177 ryannon

The examples you're citing are unfamiliar to me - to the point of my doubting their veracity. Can you cite specific examples. DOS (denial of service) on racial, religious or ethnic grounds is pretty much illegal in France.

AFAIK, private social clubs in the US are permitted to be much more discriminatory than businesses.

For example, someone wants to form a Breast Cancer Awareness Bridge Club sans men, i don't think it's a problem stateside.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:36:42pm

re: #181 Truth Dr.

The point of the matter is that Geller, Naomi Klein, Noam Chomsky, David Duke, Ernst Zundel, Jimmy Carter and Pat Buchanan are all birds of a feather.

OK, and, so?

212 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:36:56pm

re: #189 WindUpBird

You can, it's just a very transparent and obvious partisan opinion that many infrequent posters express. We constantly get these mystery posters who want Charles to stop talking about terrible things the right wing is doing that he finds important, and they often do exactly what you do, they just go "Well this is just boring. I'm soo bored. I'm bored with this racist person who everyone in the right wing seems to adore, I'm booored of Robert Spencer, even though he's influential and right wing news outlets report his nonsense as fact. BOOORING BOOOREED."

The truth is you're not bored, you just really want a partisan angle. If you think LGF's posts are a waste of time, sorry jack. I'm here BECAUSE of what is being reported on Geller and Spencer and Vlaams Belang and all these freaks. It's why I registered.

Guess I'm not a TROO LIZARD BOO HOO *cry sniffle*

Honey, at the risk of yet another of your acid retorts, I've probably been here at LGF longer than you've been shaving. Nothing about me is "infrequent" and I have no immoral motive to get you or Chas & Co or anyone else to quit anything. I suggest you are paranoid because that is how your post comes across. I gave my brief opinion on geller only after reading about The Three Terrors, which is really my focus. I was very surprised to see it here.

213 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:37:01pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

Yes.
:)

Thank you. I'm now a blogger. Where is my pin?

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:37:44pm

re: #186 brookly red

/ironic that they are looking in the wrong book.

Yes, I understand the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is much better for bile.

BTW, I actually saw someone reading that on the bus the other day. Most alarming.

215 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:38:01pm

re: #212 bj

Honey, at the risk of yet another of your acid retorts, I've probably been here at LGF longer than you've been shaving.

You also have a tenth the number of posts he has.

216 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:38:02pm

re: #195 JasonA

O Noez! We're giving parts of Arizona back to Mexico!!11!!

Fox's Most Blatant Falsehood Ever?

Oh brother. I looked that up the other day and saw that this closure has been in effect since 2006. Now Media Matters backs me up:

But according to Bonnie Swarbrick, who is the public information officer for the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge in Arizona, the "massive stretch" of land is about five miles square, it's been closed since 2006, and it obviously hasn't been given back to Mexico.

So dumb. And their viewers won't do any research and just sit on their couch while eating Cheetos buying into everything Fox "News" feeds them.

217 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:38:13pm

"re: #169 Aceofwhat?

It totally says that. The hiccup is that whoever is saying it consistently ends up as a target of righteous ire;)"

Then lets quit saying it and start saying what all of it is. Untrue.

218 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:38:28pm

re: #210 Aceofwhat?

AFAIK, private social clubs in the US are permitted to be much more discriminatory than businesses.

For example, someone wants to form a Breast Cancer Awareness Bridge Club sans men, i don't think it's a problem stateside.

well there was the guy who sued Hooters cause he got turned down for a servers job... he won IIRC. Assume nothing when lawyers are involved.

219 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:38:38pm

re: #197 JasonA

Invest?

Most people would surmise I made a typo, nu? Although 'invest' does carry certain possibilities. LOL Invest and multiply - I like that. Bolsters the curse.

220 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:39:30pm

re: #174 bj

I don't have a right to my own opinion here, nu? geller is a tired, boring topic ..to me. That you want to waste time on her is, well, it's your business, IMO. Carry on and get off my back.

What's boring is people who spend time telling us that a particular meme is boring.

Scroll past, nuunan. Some topics bore me, too. That's what ESPN (or your website of choice) is for.

You have the right to your own opinion; it's your method of displaying it that I find lacking. A catering company this is not.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:39:43pm

re: #195 JasonA

O Noez! We're giving parts of Arizona back to Mexico!!11!!

Fox's Most Blatant Falsehood Ever?

How much will Mexico take? Could we get part of Baja in exchange?

222 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:39:51pm

#211

The point of the matter is that Glick should not associate herself with the level of discourse these writers represent. Unfortunately, the left wing equivalents to Geller, are often referred to as "public intellecutals".

223 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:40:06pm

re: #215 JasonA

You also have a tenth the number of posts he has.

So? I'm an old lady with arthritis who doesn't use the computer much, mostly to read since my fingers are so crippled. What's the problem now? I'm not allowed to read? LOL

224 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:40:21pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, I understand the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is much better for bile.

BTW, I actually saw someone reading that on the bus the other day. Most alarming.

/ as long as there were no tell tale wires sticking out of their lunch box you should be OK...

225 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:40:27pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Delightful! The ambiance, the appreciation of life...so French!

//

Bigots and racists are the same anywhere you go. It's like one big family of creeps.

But I maintain that the people manning the sandwich and wine stand were quite sympathique. After all, why not? I was kind of expecting my accent to be a tip-off as to my foreignness, but it was clear that they didn't much care as long as I was the right color.

226 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:40:53pm

re: #223 bj

So? I'm an old lady with arthritis who doesn't use the computer much, mostly to read since my fingers are so crippled. What's the problem now? I'm not allowed to read? LOL

So I don't see how claiming seniority here on LGF helps you all that much.

227 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:41:02pm

re: #175 WindUpBird

Or you work in IT and you have many many computers to maintain 8-)

Between looking after a small company's worth of sick computers, and a riotous group of five year-olds, hopped up on enough birthday cake and cola to start re-enacting Lord of the Flies at any given moment...

...I'd go with the five year olds any day.

228 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:41:46pm

re: #223 bj

So? I'm an old lady with arthritis who doesn't use the computer much, mostly to read since my fingers are so crippled. What's the problem now? I'm not allowed to read? LOL

I'm impressed that an elderly member of the community is computer-literate. You go girl!

229 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:41:50pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

Or, you're Anne McCaffrey, who may never have read a novel by a fellow sci-fi/fantasy author that she didn't just love.

N.B.

When a chortle sends gin up into the nose area, it hurts.

230 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:42:00pm

re: #226 JasonA

So I don't see how claiming seniority here on LGF helps you all that much.

it's not a union shop IIRC ;)

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:42:17pm

re: #204 Truth Dr.

It seems no one who favorably reviews Naomi Klein, Noam Chomsky, Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein or other purveyors of hate and lies are called to account.

Can you provide some sort of proof of that assertion? Also, is Caroline Glick being 'called to account', or is she being criticized on an open political forum?

Are you under the impression that no one here ever trashes Carter or Chomsky?

232 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:42:40pm

It the End of the World

Youtube Video

*Not the REM tune

233 AK-47%  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:42:55pm

re: #225 ryannon

Bigots and racists are the same anywhere you go. It's like one big family of creeps.

But I maintain that the people manning the sandwich and wine stand were quite sympathique. After all, why not? I was kind of expecting my accent to be a tip-off as to my foreignness, but it was clear that they didn't much care as long as I was the right color.

Barley Scotch of the band Hayseed Dixie phones up the BNP to ask them a couple of policy questions:

Youtube Video
234 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:43:06pm

re: #212 bj

I gave my brief opinion on geller only after reading about The Three Terrors, which is really my focus. I was very surprised to see it here.

Why?

235 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:43:15pm

re: #220 Aceofwhat?

What's boring is people who spend time telling us that a particular meme is boring.

Scroll past, nuunan. Some topics bore me, too. That's what ESPN (or your website of choice) is for.

You have the right to your own opinion; it's your method of displaying it that I find lacking. A catering company this is not.

So dictate to me, Herr ace. Put those directives up where I can see them and, oh, don't forget my yellow star. Feh! Since when is a person's interest counted by # of posts and having to follow the herd in topical appeal?

236 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:43:50pm

re: #217 RayGunIsDead

"re: #169 Aceofwhat?

It totally says that. The hiccup is that whoever is saying it consistently ends up as a target of righteous ire;)"

Then lets quit saying it and start saying what all of it is. Untrue.

Says the guy whose feeling about God is from his "gut".

237 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:44:21pm

re: #218 brookly red

well there was the guy who sued Hooters cause he got turned down for a servers job... he won IIRC. Assume nothing when lawyers are involved.

Hooters = business, which i exempted.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:44:22pm

re: #224 brookly red

/ as long as there were no tell tale wires sticking out of their lunch box you should be OK...

Asshole had his feet up on the seat across from him. Looked twitchy.

239 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:44:41pm

re: #226 JasonA

So I don't see how claiming seniority here on LGF helps you all that much.

I didn't claim seniority. LOL I AM old and crippled so I read mostly is what that quote says.

240 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:44:45pm

re: #235 bj

Please, parachute off that high horse of yours.
:)

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:45:41pm

re: #235 bj

So dictate to me, Herr ace. Put those directives up where I can see them and, oh, don't forget my yellow star. Feh! Since when is a person's interest counted by # of posts and having to follow the herd in topical appeal?

And we GODWIN!!!!!!!!

Wow, that was speedy.

242 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:46:18pm

re: #240 Varek Raith

Please, parachute off that high horse of yours.
:)

She can't; didn't you hear she has arthritis. ;-)

243 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:46:40pm

#231 San Franicisco Zionist

Can you provide some sort of proof of that assertion? Also, is Caroline Glick being 'called to account', or is she being criticized on an open political forum?

Are you under the impression that no one here ever trashes Carter or Chomsky?

I am glad that people on LGF rightfully trash Carter and Chomsky but if your read the Toronto Star or Globe and Mail, you'd think that these cretins were somewhat respectable. I don't have a problem with Glick being criticized - I don't know if I totally agree with the criticism but that is what having an open political forum is all about. It would just be refreshing to see the MSM take as much of a whack at the anti-Israel polemicists, question their views and the basis for their views.

244 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:46:42pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

And we GODWIN!!!

Wow, that was speedy.

The Class of '04 doesn't screw around.

/

245 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:47:08pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

Asshole had his feet up on the seat across from him. Looked twitchy.

/probably just assigned reading from his "university"... if he starts trying to light his pants on fire I would suggest getting off at the next stop.

246 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:47:13pm

When people are bored it is primarily with themselves.

- Eric Hoffer

To no one in particular.

247 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:47:17pm

re: #236 Aceofwhat?

Says the guy whose feeling about God is from his "gut".

And whence do you get your knowledge about a personal God?

248 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:47:37pm

re: #240 Varek Raith

Please, parachute off that high horse of yours.
:)

You and your buddies first.

What is it here, one tiny disagreeing remark and the vipers come out to tear another poster apart over it? Is this the LGF policy now? Buh-bye.

249 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:47:38pm

re: #235 bj

Feh! Since when is a person's interest counted by # of posts and having to follow the herd in topical appeal?

It's not. If it's boring, change the channel. Staying put and yelling "it's sooo boring" is whiny. And since you've been here so long, you know what we do with whiny...

250 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:48:10pm

re: #247 RayGunIsDead

And whence do you get your knowledge about a personal God?

from a book?

251 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:48:18pm

re: #248 bj

You and your buddies first.

What is it here, one tiny disagreeing remark and the vipers come out to tear another poster apart over it? Is this the LGF policy now? Buh-bye.

I fell off my horse ages ago.
Bugger never came back.
:(

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:48:44pm

re: #233 ralphieboy

Barley Scotch of the band Hayseed Dixie phones up the BNP to ask them a couple of policy questions:


[Video]

Fookin' awesome. I have a whole new kind of respect for that feller.

Youtube Video
253 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:48:57pm

re: #250 albusteve

from a book?

Which book, there are many?

254 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:49:03pm

re: #247 RayGunIsDead

And whence do you get your knowledge about a personal God?

25 years of scrutiny, research, and meditation - both intellectual and spiritual.

255 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:49:03pm

re: #242 Sand Panda

She can't; didn't you hear she has arthritis. ;-)

Fall off is more like it or be pushed by the likes of some posters here.

256 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:49:07pm

re: #251 Varek Raith

I fell off my horse ages ago.
Bugger never came back.
:(

I fell of my high horse when I was knee high to a polecat.

//

257 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:49:09pm

re: #247 RayGunIsDead

And whence do you get your knowledge about a personal God?

I get a daily newsletter via e-mail...

258 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:49:15pm

re: #251 Varek Raith

I fell off my horse ages ago.
Bugger never came back.
:(

Don't worry; I hear that banthas are the new black (stallions).

259 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:49:26pm

re: #253 RayGunIsDead

Which book, there are many?

any book...pick one, they are all the same

260 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:50:25pm

re: #248 bj

You and your buddies first.

What is it here, one tiny disagreeing remark and the vipers come out to tear another poster apart over it? Is this the LGF policy now? Buh-bye.

this isn't tearing apart, girlfriend. this is banter.

(but...you knew that...longtime poster;)

261 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:50:31pm

re: #259 albusteve

byw, did you ever get the grand pa pie?

262 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:50:43pm

re: #259 albusteve

any book...pick one, they are all the same

Deities & Demigods is a good source.

263 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:50:48pm

re: #259 albusteve

any book...pick one, they are all the same

Exactly, and they are all wrong.

264 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:51:51pm

re: #259 albusteve

any book...pick one, they are all the same

Note to self: Never play cards with Steve.

265 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:51:59pm

re: #263 RayGunIsDead

Exactly, and they are all wrong.

Heh. The only thing more amusing than a proselytizing believer is a proselytizing atheist.

But don't stop on my account. This has the potential to be enjoying...

266 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:52:03pm

re: #261 brookly red

byw, did you ever get the grand pa pie?

not yet....took some friends there last Sun, we all had pasta...what a gem of a place just a couple of minutes from me...but I have not forgotten bro

267 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:52:36pm

re: #249 Aceofwhat?

It's not. If it's boring, change the channel. Staying put and yelling "it's sooo boring" is whiny. And since you've been here so long, you know what we do with whiny...

ace, please find where I "yelled" boring. I mentioned geller is boring to me - one time in passing as an aside. My interest was seeing The Three Terrors posted in this thread. Please don't be another one here who gets all bent out of shape over differing opinions however big or, in my case, minute. Sorry, but we can't all think alike all the time about the same things.

268 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:52:37pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

Deities & Demigods is a good source.

Ah, fond memories...

269 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:52:39pm

re: #265 Aceofwhat?

Heh. The only thing more amusing than a proselytizing believer is a proselytizing atheist.

But don't stop on my account. This has the potential to be enjoying...

Hehehe, yep.
It's so pointless.
:)

270 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:52:53pm

Hey everyone...just got back from the beach with the dogs...so, who's wrong on the internet today?

:)

271 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:53:46pm

re: #270 darthstar

Hey everyone...just got back from the beach with the dogs...so, who's wrong on the internet today?

:)

SOMEONE IS WRONG!
I DON'T KNOW WHO!
I DON'T KNOW WHERE!
BUT SOMEONE IS WRONG!

272 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:53:54pm

re: #270 darthstar

Hey everyone...just got back from the beach with the dogs...so, who's wrong on the internet today?

:)

Everyone who doesn't agree with me.

273 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:54:03pm

re: #265 Aceofwhat?

Heh. The only thing more amusing than a proselytizing believer is a proselytizing atheist.

But don't stop on my account. This has the potential to be enjoying...

Jesus's parables. They are all true and all wrong, all at the same time. ie that makes no sense.

274 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:54:08pm

re: #270 darthstar

We held sort of a raffle, and today it's you.

275 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:54:20pm

re: #267 bj

ace, please find where I "yelled" boring. I mentioned geller is boring to me - one time in passing as an aside. My interest was seeing The Three Terrors posted in this thread. Please don't be another one here who gets all bent out of shape over differing opinions however big or, in my case, minute. Sorry, but we can't all think alike all the time about the same things.

Ok. you didn't yell. you said it out loud.

and i'm not bent out of shape. no worries there. nobody wants an echo chamber.

on the other hand, expecting that 0% of the topics will be boring to any of us seems unrealistic. you follow?

276 bj  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:54:21pm

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

this isn't tearing apart, girlfriend. this is banter.

(but...you knew that...longtime poster;)

Banter isn't searing and hurtful.

277 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:55:13pm

re: #273 RayGunIsDead

Jesus's parables. They are all true and all wrong, all at the same time. ie that makes no sense.

i'm happy to kick around an example with you, if you have the marbles for it...

278 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:55:14pm

o.t., but i wanted to share this gem from a wingnut blogger that sums up the GOP approach to government so perfectly:

Contrary to their ideology [that of "progressives"], a government run by well-intentioned and bright people can't really set us on the road to a better, more perfectable world

i look forward to republicans running on "we can't do anything - give up now!"

279 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:55:48pm

re: #273 RayGunIsDead

Jesus's parables. They are all true and all wrong, all at the same time. ie that makes no sense.

Is true the opposite of wrong?

280 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:56:13pm

re: #276 bj

Yee-ikes. You do recall that this place is called a "tough room"? You should, it has been called such long before I joined here.

Searing and hurtful?

281 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:56:21pm

re: #271 Varek Raith

SOMEONE IS WRONG!
I DON'T KNOW WHO!
I DON'T KNOW WHERE!
BUT SOMEONE IS WRONG!

Someone is wrong on the internet! Quick, I'll grab my cape, you call Cory Doctorow.

282 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:56:44pm

re: #264 ryannon

Note to self: Never play cards with Steve.


I did bust a magician doing card tricks in a Vegas casino lobby one time...in front of a dozen people....my wife was so embarrassed she slinked away....the kid never batted an eye, said a couple funny things and kept on goin....I think I gave him $10

283 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:56:50pm

re: #280 Slumbering Behemoth

Yee-ikes. You do recall that this place is called a "tough room"? You should, it has been called such long before I joined here.

Searing and hurtful?

I'm seared and hurt.

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:56:50pm

re: #273 RayGunIsDead

Jesus's parables. They are all true and all wrong, all at the same time. ie that makes no sense.

Let's try to break this down. Let's take, for example, the parable of the talents. How is it both 'true' and 'wrong', and why does that not make sense?

285 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:57:23pm

re: #263 RayGunIsDead

Exactly, and they are all wrong.

Who knows? They might all be right.

Can't *know* either way, can you?

Atheism takes lots of faith, too.

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:57:29pm

re: #275 Aceofwhat?

Ok. you didn't yell. you said it out loud.

and i'm not bent out of shape. no worries there. nobody wants an echo chamber.

on the other hand, expecting that 0% of the topics will be boring to any of us seems unrealistic. you follow?

I really shouldn't have posted that clip. I though the opera part was funny.

Sorry guys.

287 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:57:40pm

re: #278 engineer dog

o.t., but i wanted to share this gem from a wingnut blogger that sums up the GOP approach to government so perfectly:

Contrary to their ideology [that of "progressives"], a government run by well-intentioned and bright people can't really set us on the road to a better, more perfectable world

i look forward to republicans running on "we can't do anything - give up now!"

no they will be running on we can do more with less an quite frankly it is an appealing concept...

288 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:58:02pm

re: #285 austin_blue


Atheism takes lots of faith, too.

I like you, Austin, but please don't buy into this.

289 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:58:14pm

re: #280 Slumbering Behemoth

One person's playful teasing is another's bullying. Lets all play nice now Lizards.

290 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:58:15pm

re: #277 Aceofwhat?

i'm happy to kick around an example with you, if you have the marbles for it...

Jesus really didn't say much, but at the same time he said a lot. So ok, I think I am not ready. Go.

291 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:58:21pm

re: #285 austin_blue

Who knows? They might all be right.

Can't *know* either way, can you?

Atheism takes lots of faith, too.

It takes no faith on my part.
I know.

292 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:58:28pm

re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist

Let's try to break this down. Let's take, for example, the parable of the talents. How is it both 'true' and 'wrong', and why does that not make sense?

it's only Sat, for God's sake

293 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:58:35pm

re: #276 bj

Banter isn't searing and hurtful.

now, now. it'll be ok.

294 jaunte  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:58:49pm

re: #283 Varek Raith

I'm seared

It keeps the juices in, so you'll be tender later.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:58:50pm

re: #278 engineer dog

So, how does this blogger feel about Sarah Palin?

Honestly, I would have accepted what he's describing as a reasonable conservative viewpoint before the age of the cult of personality set in over American popular conservativism.

296 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:59:06pm

re: #283 Varek Raith

That's only because you opened your friggin' window, dummy. Get back in your coffin, sundown ain't for another few hours.

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:59:16pm

re: #281 Sand Panda

Someone is wrong on the internet! Quick, I'll grab my cape, you call Cory Doctorow.

Call the Amish! To the Buggymobile!

298 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:59:37pm

re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth

That's only because you opened your friggin' window, dummy. Get back in your coffin, sundown ain't for another few hours.

LOL

299 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:59:41pm

re: #289 Sand Panda

One person's playful teasing is another's bullying. Lets all play nice now Lizards.

/so I shouldn't post a picture of my fave gun?

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:00:19pm

re: #292 albusteve

it's only Sat, for God's sake

?

301 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:00:27pm
Faith is believing something you know ain't true.

Mark Twain

302 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:00:35pm

re: #299 brookly red

/so I shouldn't post a picture of my fave gun?

Not if you don't want Stinky showing you a picture of his favourite hammer...

303 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:00:55pm

re: #301 Linden Arden

Mark Twain

Amen.

304 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:01:05pm

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

?

I'll just scroll past the pious crapola

305 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:01:21pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Not uncommon. Certain Brits are still bitched that people keep showing up from India. It's like, 'hey, yes, we took you over when it was fun and profitable, but can't we just sever the relationship now that it's no longer so much to our benefit?'

Those relations turn out to be enduring. At one point or another, American troops occupied or liberated Mexico, the Philippines, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq. There are now fairly large communities of people in America who trace their roots to all those places.

306 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:01:40pm

re: #299 brookly red

/so I shouldn't post a picture of my fave gun?

If it's some blade/gun anime crap, I will give you such a pinch.

307 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:01:58pm

re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth

We held sort of a raffle, and today it's you.

Oh joy! I never win anything! I'd like to thank all of the little people, there are so many I can't remember their names, but darn they're cute.

308 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:01:58pm

re: #299 brookly red

/so I shouldn't post a picture of my fave gun?

don't bother, we don't have the microscope feature at this site

309 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:02:04pm

re: #302 Sand Panda

Not if you don't want Stinky showing you a picture of his favourite hammer...

Image: ban_monday_01.gif

310 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:02:11pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

Call the Amish! To the Buggymobile!

Quick, we need to refuel the buggy-mobile. We need 5kg of rolled oats, stat!

311 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:02:37pm

re: #308 albusteve

don't bother, we don't have the microscope feature at this site

I heard that ZING all the way on the East Coast!
:)

312 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:02:42pm

re: #302 Sand Panda

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

hey others do it all the time... I feel discriminated against.

313 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:03:28pm

re: #308 albusteve

don't bother, we don't have the microscope feature at this site

says the guy who lives in a bunk house :)

314 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:03:30pm

re: #288 JasonA

I like you, Austin, but please don't buy into this.

Hey, Jason, no worries!

I'm a very contented Deist who doesn't give a flip what anyone believes as long as they don't get up my nose with it. Or attack people over it.

315 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:03:45pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

If it's some blade/gun anime crap, I will give you such a pinch.

:P
Image: gunblade.jpg

316 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:03:53pm

re: #307 darthstar

Oh joy! I never win anything! I'd like to thank all of the little people, there are so many I can't remember their names, but darn they're cute.

No, they're not. You're wrong.

317 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:04:09pm

re: #310 Sand Panda

Quick, we need to refuel the buggy-mobile. We need 5kg of rolled oats, stat!

We'll need 12 acres of cow manure and 100 Shoofly pies while we're at it.

318 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:04:11pm

re: #309 Varek Raith

Oh my. So which pulp fiction novel is that the front cover of?

319 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:04:40pm

re: #290 RayGunIsDead

Jesus really didn't say much, but at the same time he said a lot. So ok, I think I am not ready. Go.

Sorry. Other way around. Which parable do you find both truthful and not true?

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:05:23pm

re: #276 bj

Banter isn't searing and hurtful.

I don't want to make too much of this, but you do realize that you're the one who implied he was a Nazi?

321 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:05:43pm

re: #315 Varek Raith

I think that might be the only unintentionally self-destroying weapon.

322 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:05:55pm

re: #315 Varek Raith

VAAARRREEEK!

323 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:06:17pm

re: #322 Slumbering Behemoth

VAAARRREEEK!

MUHAHAHAHAHA!

324 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:06:21pm

re: #314 austin_blue

Hey, Jason, no worries!

I'm a very contented Deist who doesn't give a flip what anyone believes as long as they don't get up my nose with it. Or attack people over it.

Yeah, but to claim that atheism requires faith makes me think you believe that most atheists will claim that God. It takes faith to do that, but even Richard Dawkins won't go that far.

325 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:06:29pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

So, how does this blogger feel about Sarah Palin?

Honestly, I would have accepted what he's describing as a reasonable conservative viewpoint before the age of the cult of personality set in over American popular conservativism.

it's Betsy, of Betsy's Page

i don't believe she's ever said a thing about palin. since Betsy is an AP teacher, palin probably embarrasses her. Betsy is also a rare representative of the jewish republican contingent

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:07:28pm

re: #325 engineer dog

it's Betsy, of Betsy's Page

i don't believe she's ever said a thing about palin. since Betsy is an AP teacher, palin probably embarrasses her. Betsy is also a rare representative of the jewish republican contingent

Well, in that case, she may simply be an old-fashioned Republican. In which case, what she's saying does come out of somewhere.

327 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:09:11pm
This American Government of ours should never be on its knees before corporate power, no matter how strong. It should never be in the thrall of corporate wealth, no matter how vast.

This American Government of ours should never give the American citizen reason to question whose interests are being served. Never.

I like Senator Whitehouse.

Sheldon Whitehouse: Clean Out Corporations From Government

328 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:09:15pm

Image: sword-and-hook-finger-puppets.jpg

For obliterating Warhammer miniature armies with.

329 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:09:41pm

re: #324 JasonA

Yeah, but to claim that atheism requires faith makes me think you believe that most atheists will claim that God does not exist. It takes faith to do that, but even Richard Dawkins won't go that far.


PIMFPIMFPIMF

330 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:10:18pm

re: #319 Aceofwhat?

Sorry. Other way around. Which parable do you find both truthful and not true?

Great question. Bible scholar Bart Ehrman says Jesus never said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" yet it is one the enduring truths of the Gospels.

WaPost on Ehrman

331 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:10:44pm

re: #327 JasonA

I like Senator Whitehouse.

Sheldon Whitehouse: Clean Out Corporations From Government

govt and big corporations/unions are one in the same...they are forever joined at the hip and you could not live enough lives to see that ever change

332 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:11:54pm

re: #327 JasonA

I like Senator Whitehouse.

Sheldon Whitehouse: Clean Out Corporations From Government

OK I can go with that if we clean out unions too...

333 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:11:59pm

re: #330 Linden Arden

Great question. Bible scholar Bart Ehrman says Jesus never said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" yet it is one the enduring truths of the Gospels.

WaPost on Ehrman

how the hell would he or anybody else know?....they don't, they can't

334 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:12:10pm

re: #319 Aceofwhat?

Sorry. Other way around. Which parable do you find both truthful and not true?

All of them. They make no sense. Jefferson said as much.

Isn't it exactly like a Christian that has great disdain for creationism? It makes no sense.

335 researchok  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:12:58pm

re: #327 JasonA

I like Senator Whitehouse.

Sheldon Whitehouse: Clean Out Corporations From Government

I agree in principle, but let's not guy corporations.

Lots of widows and orphans, unions and pension plans are solvent because of corporations.

336 researchok  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:13:31pm

re: #335 researchok

I agree in principle, but let's not guy corporations.

Lots of widows and orphans, unions and pension plans are solvent because of corporations.

Meant to say 'let's not gut corporations'

337 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:13:58pm

re: #333 albusteve

how the hell would he or anybody else know?...they don't, they can't

Because it wasn't in the original Gospels - added hundreds of years later by monks.

338 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:14:20pm

re: #273 RayGunIsDead

Jesus's parables. They are all true and all wrong, all at the same time. ie that makes no sense.

Illustrate and explain.

339 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:14:32pm

re: #324 JasonA

Yeah, but to claim that atheism requires faith makes me think you believe that most atheists will claim that God. It takes faith to do that, but even Richard Dawkins won't go that far.

The claim that atheism is faith based--I guess it could be for someone--is mostly just a deflection to atheist claims that religion is harmful and not benign. It is an attempt to equate faith without evidence that is the basis of religion with the atheistis view that only propositions with evidence should have credibility.

340 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:15:22pm

re: #336 researchok

Meant to say 'let's not gut corporations'

well if BP goes under & is bought up by China what could possibly go wrong?

341 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:15:50pm

re: #337 Linden Arden

Because it wasn't in the original Gospels - added hundreds of years later by monks.

yes, fiction

342 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:16:16pm

re: #334 RayGunIsDead

All of them. They make no sense. Jefferson said as much.

Isn't it exactly like a Christian that has great disdain for creationism? It makes no sense.

Dude. I asked you for one, so that we could debate it. This is you dodging.

(and no, it's not exactly like that at all. i already explained that on the last thread.)

343 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:16:23pm

I don't care what they say

Jesus is just alright

Youtube Video
344 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:16:30pm

re: #340 brookly red

well if BP goes under & is bought up by China what could possibly go wrong?

BP must be allowed to survive, or it will be the tax payers and not BP who will end up paying for the cleanup.

345 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:16:36pm

re: #327 JasonA

I like Senator Whitehouse.

Sheldon Whitehouse: Clean Out Corporations From Government

Right. ;)

Sheldon Whitehouse:

Top 5 Contributors, 2006 - 2010

Technology Crossover Ventures $54,700 $54,700 $0
Thornton & Naumes $41,675 $41,675 $0
Bickel & Brewer $39,800 $39,800 $0
Bain Capital $37,000 $37,000 $0
Goldberg, Lindsay & Co $33,200 $33,200 $0

346 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:19:30pm

re: #273 RayGunIsDead

Jesus's parables. They are all true and all wrong, all at the same time. ie that makes no sense.

There is no right or wrong with parables. They're simply stories. Whether or not you believe in Jesus (I sure as hell don't), you can't dismiss the parables themselves out of hand. They're no less valid than the stories and myths of other cultures, whether they be Native American parables about Coyote and the Spider Woman, or Inuit stories about salmon and bears, or Greek myths about the sometimes questionable behavior of their gods.

347 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:19:47pm

re: #342 Aceofwhat?

Dude. I asked you for one, so that we could debate it. This is you dodging.

(and no, it's not exactly like that at all. i already explained that on the last thread.)

Sorry. Other way around. Which parable do you find both truthful and not true?

I just reversed it back, just like you did, just like HE did.

It makes no sense.

348 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:20:15pm

re: #345 Gus 802

Heh. Fair enough point. But that's a drop in the bucket compared to someone like, say, Chuck Schumer:

Goldman Sachs $486,840 $453,840 $33,000
Citigroup Inc $428,616 $394,300 $34,316
Morgan Stanley $307,446 $273,500 $33,946
JPMorgan Chase & Co $306,550 $242,550 $64,000
Paul, Weiss et al $279,350 $279,350 $0

349 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:20:24pm

Oy, religious discussions make mah haid hertz.
:)

350 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:20:42pm

re: #342 Aceofwhat?

Hi, Ace. So, I've been meaning to ask, Rush's new bride is a direct descendant of John Adams. Does that make her a cousin?

351 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:21:05pm

Oh man, I missed so much today. The last post and thread rocked, this post and thread rocked so far.

Oh well. Ross Douthat is far from my favorite columnist, but he recently explained quite nicely why some atheists, myself included, can't stand Hitchens when it comes to religion.

[Link: douthat.blogs.nytimes.com...]

352 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:21:09pm

Jesus had clever words, puzzles, called parables. The real God could of done better.

353 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:21:12pm

re: #309 Varek Raith

Image: ban_monday_01.gif

Stinky's been working out.

354 researchok  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:21:30pm

re: #333 albusteve

how the hell would he or anybody else know?...they don't, they can't

Ehrman is right down the road from me, in Chapel Hill. He is at best controversial here- at best.

Like most bible critics, he derives what wants from religious scripture and makes his case based on criticism. Fair enough, but certainly not gospel.

His work is akin to criticizing Mother Teresa because she was at times referred to as Mother Theresa or simply 'sister' Teresa or 'sister' Theresa...

The value of religious doctrine is what you get out of it, how you live your life.

Torquemada or Schweitzer. Pick one.

355 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:22:46pm

re: #350 prairiefire

Hi, Ace. So, I've been meaning to ask, Rush's new bride is a direct descendant of John Adams. Does that make her a cousin?

When I was living in NYC, I went out with the great-great-etc. grand-daughter of John Adams. She was a wonderful girl and an authentic class act.

356 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:23:25pm
Don’t expect to hear both sides of any issue. For example he allows folks to bash the President and Glenn Beck at the same time.

This sentence is sooo good. It's wrong in a way that you can't find a plausible explanation for what the man was thinking!

357 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:23:32pm

re: #352 RayGunIsDead

Jesus had clever words, puzzles, called parables. The real God could of have done better.

FTFY
//And I hate to say this mate, but you know nothing about Jesus or the lessons in His parables.

358 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:23:33pm

When I lay me down to die,going up to the spirit in the sky

Youtube Video
359 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:23:58pm

re: #344 BryanS

BP must be allowed to survive, or it will be the tax payers and not BP who will end up paying for the cleanup.

well yes and no. if any business encounters an expense it simply raises the price of it's product to cover it... the sad truth is that BP will pay for the damages by passing the cost on to the consumers. so really it is all a shell game, we pay in the end.

360 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:24:03pm

re: #354 researchok

Ehrman is right down the road from me, in Chapel Hill. He is at best controversial here- at best.

Like most bible critics, he derives what wants from religious scripture and makes his case based on criticism. Fair enough, but certainly not gospel.

His work is akin to criticizing Mother Teresa because she was at times referred to as Mother Theresa or simply 'sister' Teresa or 'sister' Theresa...

The value of religious doctrine is what you get out of it, how you live your life.

Torquemada or Schweitzer. Pick one.

his 'work' is a waste of time...but he probably makes a great living doing it...I'd rather watch the Food Channel

361 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:24:13pm

re: #356 Nimed

This sentence is sooo good. It's wrong in a way that you can't find a plausible explanation for what the man was thinking!

There's one explanation. The guy has his head stuck firmly inside his sphincter.

362 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:24:25pm

Evenin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?

363 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:24:50pm

re: #355 ryannon

Those Adams know how to proliferate!

364 researchok  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:25:11pm

re: #355 ryannon

When I was living in NYC, I went out with the great-great-etc. grand-daughter of John Adams. She was a wonderful girl and an authentic class act.

When I lived in NYC, I once went out with a vegan, earth mother type.

ONCE.

365 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:25:32pm

re: #346 darthstar

There is no right or wrong with parables. They're simply stories. Whether or not you believe in Jesus (I sure as hell don't), you can't dismiss the parables themselves out of hand. They're no less valid than the stories and myths of other cultures, whether they be Native American parables about Coyote and the Spider Woman, or Inuit stories about salmon and bears, or Greek myths about the sometimes questionable behavior of their gods.

You've just committed a "use mention error" by mixing belief in the veracity of the stories of faith with belief in "the stories". For example, an atheist can believe in the "concept" of a god, but not believe in a god.

Sure, I believe in the parables too, but I don't think they are true.

As long as parables are simply stories and not monikers of the tenets of faith, then why don't we all pray to Beowulf for saving us from Grendel?

366 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:25:49pm

re: #362 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Evenin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Gospel, actually.

367 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:26:17pm

re: #362 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Evenin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Sorry, I can't help it.

368 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:27:07pm

re: #359 brookly red

well yes and no. if any business encounters an expense it simply raises the price of it's product to cover it... the sad truth is that BP will pay for the damages by passing the cost on to the consumers. so really it is all a shell game, we pay in the end.

Yes and no--BP still has to compete in a market place. If their product is more expensive than others, they will not be able to sell as much.

369 researchok  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:27:35pm

re: #360 albusteve

his 'work' is a waste of time...but he probably makes a great living doing it...I'd rather watch the Food Channel

You're right...he's found his niche and makes a living at it. God bless America.

370 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:28:52pm

re: #248 bj

Flounce!

371 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:29:22pm

re: #368 BryanS

Yes and no--BP still has to compete in a market place. If their product is more expensive than others, they will not be able to sell as much.

so they fail and are bought up by competing interests who then raise their prices to cover the incurred debt... in the end the consumer pays.

372 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:30:02pm

re: #357 Gang of One

FTFY
//And I hate to say this mate, but you know nothing about Jesus or the lessons in His parables.

G01, sorry mate, you are not going to heaven or hell when you die. But is that so bad?

373 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:30:50pm

re: #364 researchok

When I lived in NYC, I once went out with a vegan, earth mother type.

ONCE.

It's a big city. A million people. A million stories.

374 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:31:16pm

re: #372 RayGunIsDead

GoO thinks differently than you do, and I happen to agree with him.

375 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:31:40pm

re: #348 JasonA

Heh. Fair enough point. But that's a drop in the bucket compared to someone like, say, Chuck Schumer:

Goldman Sachs $486,840 $453,840 $33,000
Citigroup Inc $428,616 $394,300 $34,316
Morgan Stanley $307,446 $273,500 $33,946
JPMorgan Chase & Co $306,550 $242,550 $64,000
Paul, Weiss et al $279,350 $279,350 $0

Yeah, Schumer is an old timer of course. We couldn't remove corporations from government because they too represent the American experience. There has to be a balance and if wanted to look into this I'm sure the answer would lie somewhere in the middle.

As watchdog for instance, the MMS would have to be staffed with people with industry experience. Otherwise, they would be hiring people with no knowledge of the industry which would be counter productive in the long run since they wouldn't know what to look for.

If anything we need to get rid of the nepotism and favoritism but that's wishful thinking since that would go against human behavior. Cleaning out some of the overwhelming corporate interests sounds like a good idea but on a legislative level those same corporate interests are represented within their own legislative constituencies. No legislator is going to turn a blind eye to Lockheed-Martin, for example, if they're located in their district.

We're also looking at a rather entrenched civil service culture in the regulatory agencies. These work well outside political and/or democratic influence.

376 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:31:54pm

re: #371 brookly red

so they fail and are bought up by competing interests who then raise their prices to cover the incurred debt... in the end the consumer pays.

Which we cannot allow. We should make any deal with BP some kind of financing of the total payment with their assets as security. That way, the US government would have to sign off on the transfer/sale of their assets.

377 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:33:43pm

re: #372 RayGunIsDead

G01, sorry mate, you are not going to heaven or hell when you die. But is that so bad?

Please. You go where you go, I go where I am going. Just as you are sure there is nowhere to go, I am sure there is more. You want scientific proof of something beyond science. It is called faith and experiential knowledge.

378 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:34:06pm

re: #365 BryanS


As long as parables are simply stories and not monikers of the tenets of faith, then why don't we all pray to Beowulf for saving us from Grendel?

I blame Gilgamesh...dude was epic, and liked fornicating in nature. Besides, Grendel's mother was the real terror in Beowulf's day.

379 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:34:19pm

re: #367 ryannon

Sorry, I can't help it.

My child, that's gonna cost ya a hundred Hail Marys.

380 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:34:47pm

re: #376 BryanS

Which we cannot allow. We should make any deal with BP some kind of financing of the total payment with their assets as security. That way, the US government would have to sign off on the transfer/sale of their assets.

you don't get it... either government through taxes, or private sector through fees the cost is still to the little guy... there is no magic bullet. we will pay one way or the other.

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:35:57pm

re: #334 RayGunIsDead

All of them. They make no sense. Jefferson said as much.

Isn't it exactly like a Christian that has great disdain for creationism? It makes no sense.

OK, I would understand the parables as stories told as teaching tools. I don't know why Jefferson would have dismissed them, since they are not miraculous, which was one of his major gripes with Biblical text, and reflect much of the core of Jesus' teaching, which he appreciated.

Why should a Christian not have disdain for creationism? Creationism, taken to the kind of anti-scientific extremes that it has been of late, is not good for Christianity.

382 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:36:12pm

re: #377 Gang of One

"It is called faith and experiential knowledge."

Thats fine and wonderful, but please don't dictate to me how to behave, ie morals.

383 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:36:29pm

re: #372 RayGunIsDead

G01, sorry mate, you are not going to heaven or hell when you die. But is that so bad?

Reagan, did you at least look at the site I linked you to in the thread downstairs? You sound like an intelligent malchick, open your eyes and open your mind ... your heart will soon follow.

384 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:36:55pm

re: #347 RayGunIsDead

Sorry. Other way around. Which parable do you find both truthful and not true?

I just reversed it back, just like you did, just like HE did.

It makes no sense.

So, basically, we can't have this discussion?

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:37:38pm

re: #352 RayGunIsDead

Jesus had clever words, puzzles, called parables. The real God could of done better.

Done better at what?

386 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:37:49pm

re: #377 Gang of One

Please. You go where you go, I go where I am going. Just as you are sure there is nowhere to go, I am sure there is more. You want scientific proof of something beyond science. It is called faith and experiential knowledge.

The same experiential knowledge that convinced us the world was flat, the sun revolved around the earth, and a god created all living things in one week a few thousand years ago?

387 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:37:57pm

re: #382 RayGunIsDead

"It is called faith and experiential knowledge."

Thats fine and wonderful, but please don't dictate to me how to behave, ie morals.

Where have I dictated anything to you, my friend? You are projecting, and it is unbecoming of you as a member of this fine social scene.

388 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:38:37pm

re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I would understand the parables as stories told as teaching tools. I don't know why Jefferson would have dismissed them, since they are not miraculous, which was one of his major gripes with Biblical text, and reflect much of the core of Jesus' teaching, which he appreciated.

Why should a Christian not have disdain for creationism? Creationism, taken to the kind of anti-scientific extremes that it has been of late, is not good for Christianity.

Excellent. I regret that I have but one up-ding to give you.

389 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:39:23pm

re: #380 brookly red

you don't get it... either government through taxes, or private sector through fees the cost is still to the little guy... there is no magic bullet. we will pay one way or the other.

We probably will because too many pols are in the pockets of large companies.

390 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:39:42pm

re: #386 BryanS

The same experiential knowledge that convinced us the world was flat, the sun revolved around the earth, and a god created all living things in one week a few thousand years ago?

That was anything but experiential knowledge, and you know this. That was ignorance. Period.

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:40:00pm

re: #365 BryanS

You've just committed a "use mention error" by mixing belief in the veracity of the stories of faith with belief in "the stories". For example, an atheist can believe in the "concept" of a god, but not believe in a god.

Sure, I believe in the parables too, but I don't think they are true.

As long as parables are simply stories and not monikers of the tenets of faith, then why don't we all pray to Beowulf for saving us from Grendel?

The parables were never meant to be other than stories. Jesus doesn't say 'this really happened just the other day', although some of them might have, he says "this is what the Kingdom of God is like".

392 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:40:13pm

re: #352 RayGunIsDead

Jesus had clever words, puzzles, called parables. The real God could of done better.

Mmm... I believe a Cthulhu worshiper has infiltrated LGF.

393 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:40:21pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

Done better at what?

Truth.

He should of been honest. We die, we go to where we were before being born.

394 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:40:34pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

Done better at what?

I get the feeling RayGun is a younger poster and is still learning the ropes with regard to argument. He just needs to remember what his comp teachers said about writing 'more about less' rather than 'less about more'...

395 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:41:13pm

re: #392 Nimed

Mmm... I believe a Cthulhu worshiper has infiltrated LGF.

*shifty look* Yes, just one, apparently.

/

396 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:41:14pm

Here's an interesting, if not disturbing book I read a while ago. Kind of relevant to the post.

397 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:41:16pm

re: #392 Nimed

Mmm... I believe a Cthulhu worshiper has infiltrated LGF.

You guys are parnoid.

398 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:41:22pm

re: #393 RayGunIsDead

Truth.

He should of been honest. We die, we go to where we were before being born.

I don't think I can fit in my mother's uterus anymore...

399 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:41:25pm

re: #386 BryanS

The same experiential knowledge that convinced us the world was flat, the sun revolved around the earth, and a god created all living things in one week a few thousand years ago?

Sure. We learn stuff. Some of what we know now is probably not correct.

400 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:41:28pm

re: #389 BryanS

We probably will because too many pols are in the pockets of large companies.

you don't get it at all.

401 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:41:40pm

re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I would understand the parables as stories told as teaching tools. I don't know why Jefferson would have dismissed them, since they are not miraculous, which was one of his major gripes with Biblical text, and reflect much of the core of Jesus' teaching, which he appreciated.

Why should a Christian not have disdain for creationism? Creationism, taken to the kind of anti-scientific extremes that it has been of late, is not good for Christianity.

Creationism puts the might and power of God into a little box that a small human mind can feel certain to understand. It limits God. I don't agree with it, but there are many Christian sects and theologies I do not agree with.
Hi, SFZ, hope you are well.

402 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:43:03pm

re: #394 darthstar

I get the feeling RayGun is a younger poster and is still learning the ropes with regard to argument. He just needs to remember what his comp teachers said about writing 'more about less' rather than 'less about more'...

Hemingway, Greene, McCarthy, they all experimented. The all had editors. They all had great ideas.

403 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:43:31pm

re: #393 RayGunIsDead

Truth.

He should of been honest. We die, we go to where we were before being born.

Dude. Should have, not should of.
//Grammar Nazi mode off
///I just Godwined myself didn't I?

404 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:43:36pm

re: #390 Gang of One

That was anything but experiential knowledge, and you know this. That was ignorance. Period.

Right. This experiential knowledge you speak of--what experience exactly are you referring to? You call it ignorance, I call it a feeble attempt to explain things beyond comprehension of the people of the day. I see no difference between that ignorance of long ago with today's "experiential knowledge".

Thank goodness we've had scientists to help enlighten and edify our understanding of nature.

405 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:43:41pm

re: #362 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Evenin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Embiggen.

406 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:43:47pm

re: #394 darthstar

I get the feeling RayGun is a younger poster and is still learning the ropes with regard to argument. He just needs to remember what his comp teachers said about writing 'more about less' rather than 'less about more'...

winwatever it is...is that you?....hahaha!

407 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:43:57pm

re: #393 RayGunIsDead

Truth.

He should of been honest. We die, we go to where we were before being born.

And that is where? Discuss.

408 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:45:06pm

re: #365 BryanS

You've just committed a "use mention error" by mixing belief in the veracity of the stories of faith with belief in "the stories". For example, an atheist can believe in the "concept" of a god, but not believe in a god.

Sure, I believe in the parables too, but I don't think they are true.

As long as parables are simply stories and not monikers of the tenets of faith, then why don't we all pray to Beowulf for saving us from Grendel?

Well, parables are not the be all and end all. In order to reasonably call yourself a Christian, you have to at least believe in Christian Dogma. Otherwise, you're just Christianish.

409 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:45:19pm

re: #393 RayGunIsDead

Truth.

He should of been honest. We die, we go to where we were before being born.

Sheol?

410 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:45:34pm

re: #384 SanFranciscoZionist

So, basically, we can't have this discussion?

He's just being a dick. He irritated Mandy earlier today. I think he's going for the Cognito approach: Be contrary and annoying to other lizards until Charles gets sick of the act and boots you.

411 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:46:00pm

proof that people will argue about anything, no matter how irrelevant

412 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:46:21pm

re: #400 brookly red

you don't get it at all.

I get what you are saying--that the money has to come from somewhere. If however BP has to continue selling their products in the market, and if the US government has a security claim on their assets so they cannot be sold against the interest of their paying our debt, they are going to be forced to pay uis back out of their profits.

413 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:46:29pm

re: #398 darthstar

I don't think I can fit in my mother's uterus anymore...

Revolving Title of the Month :-)

414 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:46:53pm

re: #402 RayGunIsDead

Hemingway, Greene, McCarthy, they all experimented. The all had editors. They all had great ideas.

You're no Ernest Hemingway, Graham Greene, and certainly not a Cormac McCarthy. And I don't see how dropping those three names does anything to further the points you fail to make upthread.

People here love to debate. But if you make a statement with nothing to back it up, you're going to get grilled by a lot of people here, myself included. It's not personal, it's just the way we are.

415 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:46:55pm

re: #404 BryanS

Right. This experiential knowledge you speak of--what experience exactly are you referring to? You call it ignorance, I call it a feeble attempt to explain things beyond comprehension of the people of the day. I see no difference between that ignorance of long ago with today's "experiential knowledge".

Thank goodness we've had scientists to help enlighten and edify our understanding of nature.

Scientists is 'us', though, and our knowledge of the world is magnified by that work.

416 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:46:57pm

re: #396 Amory Blaine

Here's an interesting, if not disturbing book I read a while ago. Kind of relevant to the post.

That is a good book, and a favorite of one of my university professors.

417 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:47:07pm

re: #412 BryanS

I get what you are saying--that the money has to come from somewhere. If however BP has to continue selling their products in the market, and if the US government has a security claim on their assets so they cannot be sold against the interest of their paying our debt, they are going to be forced to pay uis back out of their profits.

yup

418 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:47:25pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

The parables were never meant to be other than stories. Jesus doesn't say 'this really happened just the other day', although some of them might have, he says "this is what the Kingdom of God is like".

But we are supposed to take his stories as illustrative of what heaven is like. There is no "truth" in such claims.

419 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:47:33pm

re: #397 RayGunIsDead

You guys are parnoid.

Did you just call me parnoid?

420 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:48:12pm

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

It's important to be mindful of "trends".

421 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:48:26pm

re: #408 Nimed

Well, parables are not the be all and end all. In order to reasonably call yourself a Christian, you have to at least believe in Christian Dogma. Otherwise, you're just Christianish.

"Was the Bible written by a white man? It doesn't say on the cover, 'The Bible, by so and so'."

"I don't know. I always thought it was written by a bunch of people who lived in the desert and caught fish for a living."

"Well, if they lived in the desert and caught fish, both, maybe you'd better listen to them."

422 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:49:12pm

re: #418 BryanS

But we are supposed to take his stories as illustrative of what heaven is like. There is no "truth" in such claims.

well we will have to wait and see no?

423 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:49:12pm

re: #418 BryanS

But we are supposed to take his stories as illustrative of what heaven is like. There is no "truth" in such claims.

I've never been, so I wouldn't know.

424 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:50:05pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

He's just being a dick. He irritated Mandy earlier today. I think he's going for the Cognito approach: Be contrary and annoying to other lizards until Charles gets sick of the act and boots you.

I think he's a bit like james when he first joined up. He managed to learn rather quickly that rational debate is much better than unsupported smart ass remarks. There's plenty of time for those, too, but you do have to establish yourself as someone who can hold an actual discussion before you can dive into dismissive sarcasm.

425 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:50:18pm

"before being born."

Born, inception, before we you were conceived, not before exiting the birth canal. JH.

Ok I will dumb it down;

Upon dieing, you will go to where you were before you were conceived.

Nitpickers.

426 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:50:52pm

re: #419 Nimed

Did you just call me parnoid?

I knew a parnoid once. Interesting critters.
/

427 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:50:55pm

re: #414 darthstar

Lit 101.

428 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:50:56pm

re: #404 BryanS

Right. This experiential knowledge you speak of--what experience exactly are you referring to? You call it ignorance, I call it a feeble attempt to explain things beyond comprehension of the people of the day. I see no difference between that ignorance of long ago with today's "experiential knowledge".

Thank goodness we've had scientists to help enlighten and edify our understanding of nature.

I don't disagree with you on your point about science, enlightenment and the understanding of natural phenomena. Bryan, I say 'experiential knowledge' as that mechanism that allows me to know that my faith and assurance of a living, personal God is a reality. The limited information of past eras did dictate those mistaken notions of things like flat Earth, etc. I have experienced personal events that have led me to believe.

429 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:50:58pm

re: #399 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. We learn stuff. Some of what we know now is probably not correct.

No--what you describe is the scientific view of the world, not the religious one. Nothing that was divinely known was ever learned. It was dogmatically taught. The first theorist positing the idea of the big bang was a catholic priest. When presented to the church, his superiors inquired if we should be teaching this as catholic dogma.

430 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:51:14pm

re: #414 darthstar

It's not personal, it's just the way we are.

Don't go changing
to try and please me...

431 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:51:38pm

re: #425 RayGunIsDead

"before being born."

Born, inception, before we you were conceived, not before exiting the birth canal. JH.

Ok I will dumb it down;

Upon dieing, you will go to where you were before you were conceived.

Nitpickers.

says who?....how do you know this?

432 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:51:46pm

re: #425 RayGunIsDead

"before being born."

Born, inception, before we you were conceived, not before exiting the birth canal. JH.

Ok I will dumb it down;

Upon dieing, you will go to where you were before you were conceived.

Nitpickers.

I don't think I can fit inside my dad's testicles, either...though he does have some big balls.

433 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:52:29pm

re: #427 prairiefire

Lit 101.

Yes, but it's English 1A he needs to revisit.

434 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:53:12pm

re: #405 Slumbering Behemoth

Embiggen.

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

/Hey it's a perfectly cromulent word.

435 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:53:24pm

re: #419 Nimed

Did you just call me parnoid?

Just because you are paranoid, does not mean someone is not after you.

436 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:53:29pm

re: #411 albusteve

proof that people will argue about anything, no matter how irrelevant

Not it's not. Take that back. TAKE IT BACK!!1!1

437 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:53:36pm

re: #430 Nimed

Don't go changing
to try and please me...

You never let me down before...mmm-hm-mmm...

438 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:53:38pm

re: #423 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never been, so I wouldn't know.

/I ain't never been to heaven, but I've be to Arizona...

439 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:54:24pm

re: #435 RayGunIsDead

Just because you are paranoid, does not mean someone is not after you.

Dude...you have to earn the right to speak in bumperstickers.

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:54:46pm

re: #429 BryanS

No--what you describe is the scientific view of the world, not the religious one.

My religion doesn't make much of a distinction. Judaism has changed religious law based on scientific discovery.

441 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:55:04pm

re: #438 brookly red

/I ain't never been to heaven, but I've be to Arizona...

And just like heaven, you were kicked out for not having proper identification?

442 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:55:21pm

re: #430 Nimed

Don't go changing
to try and please me...

re: #430 Nimed

Don't go changing
to try and please me...

Youtube Video
443 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:55:28pm

re: #408 Nimed

Well, parables are not the be all and end all. In order to reasonably call yourself a Christian, you have to at least believe in Christian Dogma. Otherwise, you're just Christianish.

I would classify the entire books of the bible as parables themselves. There may be a little history mixed in--as there is arguably in the story of Beowulf--but they are mostly just stories. To be a Christian, however, you have to believe in some form of truth contained in those books--metaphorical, symbolic, or worst of all literal.

444 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:55:31pm

re: #441 darthstar

And just like heaven, you were kicked out for not having proper identification?

Ha!

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:55:46pm

re: #429 BryanS

When presented to the church, his superiors inquired if we should be teaching this as catholic dogma.

I don't know what their answer ultimately was, but my father was taught in Catholic school in the 50s that evolution appeared to be the mechanism by which God chose to create living beings.

446 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:55:54pm

wow that's new...double quote

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:56:10pm

re: #432 darthstar

I don't think I can fit inside my dad's testicles, either...though he does have some big balls.

Isn't it wonderful to think that you yourself were once a sperm?

448 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:56:11pm

re: #439 darthstar

Dude...you have to earn the right to speak in bumperstickers.

Is that a right aquired in giftshops?
/

449 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:57:05pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

Isn't it wonderful to think that you yourself were once a sperm?

Half of him was a sperm. The other half was an egg.

450 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:57:07pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

Isn't it wonderful to think that you yourself were once a sperm?

And the fastest among millions of others!

451 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:57:08pm

re: #425 RayGunIsDead

Ok I will dumb it down

Too late.

452 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:57:26pm

re: #422 brookly red

well we will have to wait and see no?

Waiting with baited breath :)

453 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:57:27pm

re: #450 ryannon

And the fastest among millions of others!


I haven't won a race since.

454 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:57:44pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

Isn't it wonderful to think that you yourself were once a sperm?

NO. I APPEARED AS A MALEVOLENT MIASMA ON TOP OF AN UNHOLY MOUNTAIN.

455 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:57:46pm

re: #441 darthstar

And just like heaven, you were kicked out for not having proper identification?

/no, some folks tell me I was born there...


a-hole.

456 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:58:02pm

re: #440 SanFranciscoZionist

My religion doesn't make much of a distinction. Judaism has changed religious law based on scientific discovery.

even at its most fundamentalist, judaism is based on what can be known, and what is moral

457 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:58:16pm

re: #442 OldnGrumpy

[Video]

Thank you, kind Sir. I lacked the balls to go that far.

458 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:59:06pm

re: #455 brookly red

/no, some folks tell me I was born there...

a-hole.

Updinged for...aw, hell...you know.

459 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:59:19pm

re: #438 brookly red

/I ain't never been to heaven, but I've be to Arizona...

They're actually very similar. Big skies and all that ...

460 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:59:25pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

Isn't it wonderful to think that you yourself were once a sperm?

I have always loved to swim in heated pools... thanks for clearing that up for me!

461 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:00:30pm

re: #454 Varek Raith

NO. I APPEARED AS A MALEVOLENT MIASMA ON TOP OF AN UNHOLY MOUNTAIN.

I thought that Sith were the products of mutated midiclorians.

462 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:01:52pm

re: #428 Gang of One

I don't disagree with you on your point about science, enlightenment and the understanding of natural phenomena. Bryan, I say 'experiential knowledge' as that mechanism that allows me to know that my faith and assurance of a living, personal God is a reality. The limited information of past eras did dictate those mistaken notions of things like flat Earth, etc. I have experienced personal events that have led me to believe.

I like the story told by Hitchens of the lead scientist--and religious man--who spearheaded the governments efforts at cataloging the human genome. The scientist wrote that he saw a waterfall with three streams frozen into ice in space. The scientist then wrote in his book that he claimed that was the moment he found god.

Hitchens retort was somthing to the effect of, " Well if it had been two and not a trinity, then what. You would have had some other faith?"

Coincidences happen in one's life. Coincidences do not prove there is a god.

463 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:01:59pm

97deg, 8% humidity in ABQ...
day after day after day

464 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:03:00pm

re: #449 prairiefire

Half of him was a sperm. The other half was an egg.

Thank you. And the egg provides most of the early nourishment.

SanFranZ can be unbelievably sexist sometimes.

465 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:03:01pm

re: #440 SanFranciscoZionist

My religion doesn't make much of a distinction. Judaism has changed religious law based on scientific discovery.

Good for Judaism--now if the rest would follow suit :)

466 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:03:09pm

re: #454 Varek Raith

NO. I APPEARED AS A MALEVOLENT MIASMA ON TOP OF AN UNHOLY MOUNTAIN.

Really? I thought you were hatched. ;)

467 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:03:55pm

re: #462 BryanS

I like the story told by Hitchens of the lead scientist--and religious man--who spearheaded the governments efforts at cataloging the human genome. The scientist wrote that he saw a waterfall with three streams frozen into ice in space. The scientist then wrote in his book that he claimed that was the moment he found god.

Hitchens retort was somthing to the effect of, " Well if it had been two and not a trinity, then what. You would have had some other faith?"

Coincidences happen in one's life. Coincidences do not prove there is a god.

Bryan it is not about proving. That is a human, egoistic undertaking, It's about knowing there is a God. That is the most human and least egoistic affirmation.

468 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:04:25pm

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know what their answer ultimately was, but my father was taught in Catholic school in the 50s that evolution appeared to be the mechanism by which God chose to create living beings.

That's the "god as the first cause" canard. Why does that first cause have to be god?

469 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:04:43pm

and I ain't never been to Spain...

470 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:05:08pm

re: #468 BryanS

That's the "god as the first cause" canard. Why does that first cause have to be god?

What else could it be? Discuss.
/First truth and last fact.

471 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:05:23pm

re: #454 Varek Raith

NO. I APPEARED AS A MALEVOLENT MIASMA ON TOP OF AN UNHOLY MOUNTAIN.

LOL!

472 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:06:58pm

heaven is in your mind....really

Youtube Video
473 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:07:18pm

re: #461 Dark_Falcon

I thought that Sith were the products of mutated midiclorians.

Please, he's no different from the rest of you organisms. Shooting DNA at each other to make babies.... I find it offensive!
/

474 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:07:20pm

re: #454 Varek Raith

UNHOLY MOUNTAIN.

One of the greatest activities known to man.

475 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:07:33pm

re: #468 BryanS

That's the "god as the first cause" canard. Why does that first cause have to be god?

Because based on my experience of the world, I am convinced that God exists. That leads me to conclude that HE set up the mechanisms by which life evolved.

476 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:08:03pm

re: #474 darthstar

One of the greatest activities known to man.

Nope - that's Space Mountain.

477 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:08:29pm

re: #454 Varek Raith

NO. I APPEARED AS A MALEVOLENT MIASMA ON TOP OF AN UNHOLY MOUNTAIN.

I've never been to an unholy mountain. Bummer.

478 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:08:31pm

re: #468 BryanS

That's the "god as the first cause" canard. Why does that first cause have to be god?

Or a duck for that matter.

479 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:09:14pm

Before your mama's little baby
You're daddies little squirt

:p

480 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:09:16pm

re: #467 Gang of One

Bryan it is not about proving. That is a human, egoistic undertaking, It's about knowing there is a God. That is the most human and least egoistic affirmation.

How does one know the truth of the matter without evidence? Believing that some god made the entire world just for us on this tiny little speck of a rock hurling through space is egoistic, wouldn't you agree?

481 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:09:19pm

re: #475 Dark_Falcon

Because based on my experience of the world, I am convinced that God exists. That leads me to conclude that HE set up the mechanisms by which life evolved.

I say I see a creation, so I assume a creator...

482 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:10:56pm

re: #473 Sand Panda

Please, he's no different from the rest of you organisms. Shooting DNA at each other to make babies... I find it offensive!
/

what's all this i hear about a 'sperm filter' for my email?

483 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:11:07pm

re: #481 brookly red

I say I see a creation, so I assume a creator...

egads...you can create life in a lab....if there is a god, her name is Mother Nature

484 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:11:44pm

*Pokes his head in* What the frak's goin' on in here?

485 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:12:22pm

re: #484 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Pokes his head in* What the frak's goin' on in here?

Nuffin'...

486 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:12:31pm

re: #480 BryanS

How does one know the truth of the matter without evidence? Believing that some god made the entire world just for us on this tiny little speck of a rock hurling through space is egoistic, wouldn't you agree?

No, I don't agree, because it was not made just for us. We are not alone. There is a ginormous cosmos out there. You are still struggling with evidence vs. faith. I understand your questions, I understand your doubt, I understand your hesitation. But that is the glory of faith ... you go on something unseen. If this is not for you, so be it.

487 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:13:01pm

re: #477 Nimed

I've never been to an unholy mountain. Bummer.

Meh, they're not all they're cracked up to be. The foul atmosphere and evil smelling gases really put you off your picnic. And that's before you even get to the occasional rains of boiling sulphur; they'll burn right through your hiking boots.

488 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:13:46pm

re: #470 Gang of One

What else could it be? Discuss.
/First truth and last fact.

Your question assumes first that there must be a first cause. If there was a first cause and that was a god, then who caused the god? If you assert nothing is needed to be a first cause for god, then you've just asserted there is no need for a first cause.

More importantly, there is at least a theory that the big bang really was something out of nothing--that there were equal amounts of energy and dark energy, that quantum effects allow the creation of matter out of nothing due to there being no zero point in energy. The theories are beyond the reasonable debate on a forum such as this, but the theories exist, are testable, and no, not in any way yet considered solid theories.

The god created everything theory however has been around as long as humans have been around. Still n proof supporting that theory.

489 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:13:56pm

re: #482 engineer dog

what's all this i hear about a 'sperm filter' for my email?

if the sender's name is jizz4u, don't open it....

490 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:14:11pm

re: #483 albusteve

Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children.

491 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:14:11pm

re: #485 JasonA

Nuffin'...

Don't you lie to me, you frakin' toaster, I'll blow you out the nearest airlock. Now I want to know what in the name of the Gods is going on here?!

/

492 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:14:22pm

re: #486 Gang of One

But that is the glory of faith ... you go on something unseen. If this is not for you, so be it.

I have faith that I am God. Same thing.

493 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:15:16pm

re: #492 RayGunIsDead

I have faith that I am God. Same thing.

So...you created you?

494 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:15:24pm

re: #477 Nimed

I've never been to an unholy mountain. Bummer.

You're not missing much.

Image: demon.jpg

495 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:16:06pm

re: #490 Slumbering Behemoth

Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children.

good enough imo...all this bloviation about god just goes nowhere, as it should...it's a dead end

496 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:16:12pm

re: #484 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Pokes his head in* What the frak's goin' on in here?

Muuum! Go away, you're not allowed in here; the sign says "keep out". Just leave those apple slices and milk by the door.

497 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:16:15pm

re: #493 prairiefire

So...you created you?

I have faith that I always existed.

498 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:16:36pm

re: #492 RayGunIsDead

I have faith that I am God. Same thing.

If you're saying that you think god is a metaphor for the self, then I agree with you. To say that you are God is something else altogether.

499 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:17:00pm

re: #475 Dark_Falcon

Because based on my experience of the world, I am convinced that God exists. That leads me to conclude that HE set up the mechanisms by which life evolved.

I've not seen any such evidence. I see a lot of evidence that man made god--not the other way around. Simply consider how many faiths exist today and ever in history. Nearly all are mutually exclusive ideas for which is the true faith. The cannot all be right, yet these belief systems are so common that something other than their truth must explain that belief in gods is so common. To me, the most logical explanation is that religion is a man made phenomenon.

500 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:17:06pm

re: #477 Nimed

I've never been to an unholy mountain. Bummer.

I've had occasion to Sleep on a Holy Mountain, but it's probably not the same thing.

501 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:17:22pm

re: #493 prairiefire

So...you created you?

why not?...it's as logical as any other preposterous theory

502 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:17:44pm

re: #490 Slumbering Behemoth

Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children.

See also...

If our father is our basis for God, and our fathers abandoned us, then what does that tell you about God? Listen to me! You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, ...he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen.

503 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:17:52pm

re: #497 RayGunIsDead

I have faith that I always existed.

and that is probably true... so what have you learned in all this time?

504 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:18:02pm

re: #481 brookly red

I say I see a creation, so I assume a creator...

That's what creationists say about evolution.

505 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:18:15pm

re: #498 darthstar

If you're saying that you think god is a metaphor for the self, then I agree with you. To say that you are God is something else altogether.

I am saying God is a word and nothing more and nothing less.

506 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:18:18pm

re: #497 RayGunIsDead

I have faith that I always existed.

Why did you downding this, DF?

507 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:18:25pm

re: #497 RayGunIsDead

I have faith that I always existed.

You know that not to be true. The fact that you even said it is simply an exercise in mockery. Thus I join Mandy in dismissing you as unworthy of engagement.

GAZE

508 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:18:58pm

re: #506 JasonA

Why did you downding this, DF?

he's a serious dinger

509 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:18:59pm

re: #488 BryanS

Your question assumes first that there must be a first cause. If there was a first cause and that was a god, then who caused the god? If you assert nothing is needed to be a first cause for god, then you've just asserted there is no need for a first cause.

If there is no first cause, no first principle, (i know, redundant) than all of philosophy is a waste of time. The ancients had to assume a principle, and they asserted it was divine, bigger and above mortal man.
God being the Creator is not a theory, it is an assumption. And no matter how far back you go, in terms of cause-effect, one MUST start somewhere.

510 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:19:01pm

re: #506 JasonA

Why did you downding this, DF?

re: #507 Dark_Falcon

You know that not to be true. The fact that you even said it is simply an exercise in mockery. Thus I join Mandy in dismissing you as unworthy of engagement.

GAZE

511 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:19:15pm

re: #503 brookly red

and that is probably true... so what have you learned in all this time?

That all is meaningless.

512 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:19:32pm

re: #504 BryanS

That's what creationists say about evolution.

yes and?

513 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:19:35pm

re: #492 RayGunIsDead

Nietzsche, izzat you? Wow man, I thought you were dead.

514 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:19:36pm

re: #508 albusteve

he's a serious dinger

I actually upding the vast majority of the time.

515 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:19:38pm

re: #506 JasonA

OT, but is it possible to tell who downdinged or updinged a particular comment?

516 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:19:44pm

re: #507 Dark_Falcon

You know that not to be true. The fact that you even said it is simply an exercise in mockery. Thus I join Mandy in dismissing you as unworthy of engagement.

GAZE

ahaha!...you got sucked in too

517 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:19:50pm

re: #492 RayGunIsDead

I have faith that I am God. Same thing.

No, it is not. You have God in you. Very, very big difference.

518 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:20:13pm

re: #486 Gang of One

No, I don't agree, because it was not made just for us. We are not alone. There is a ginormous cosmos out there. You are still struggling with evidence vs. faith. I understand your questions, I understand your doubt, I understand your hesitation. But that is the glory of faith ... you go on something unseen. If this is not for you, so be it.

I agree that the universe was not made for us--most religions would disagree with that assertion. I just don't see glory in believing something that has no likelihood of being true. The truth matters to me.

519 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:20:29pm

[pagan]

your cat worships you as its god - that is why it brings you a mouse as a sacrifice offering

[/pagan]

520 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:20:46pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

Well... what he said was not necessarily false. If we are nothing more than energy and matter then it would be entirely true for me to claim that I've always existed. Or more specifically that everything that makes up "me" has always existed, though not in this particular combination...

521 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:20:52pm

re: #500 Slumbering Behemoth

I've had occasion to Sleep on a Holy Mountain, but it's probably not the same thing.

I'm the man on the silver mountain.

Youtube Video

True story...at music festivals, I'd scream "I'm the man on a shitty mountain!" when I was in the porto-potties. It was always good for a laugh for the people behind me in line.

522 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:21:22pm

re: #505 RayGunIsDead

I am saying God is a word and nothing more and nothing less.

Then you haven't given it much thought.

523 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:21:28pm

re: #495 albusteve

That's a movie quote, brother. The link is hidden in my post. I wasn't trying to be serious or anything. But you probably knew that already.

524 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:21:29pm

re: #494 JasonA

You're not missing much.

Image: demon.jpg

Juvenile thought of the day -- that demon looks like he's taking a dump.

/sorry about that

525 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:21:31pm

re: #515 Sand Panda

OT, but is it possible to tell who downdinged or updinged a particular comment?

Yeah, just click on the number to the left of the +- buttons.

526 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:21:49pm

re: #506 JasonA

Why did you downding this, DF?

Because he knows he didn't always exist and is just sniping.

527 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:21:50pm

re: #519 engineer dog

[pagan]

your cat worships you as its god - that is why it brings you a mouse as a sacrifice offering

[/pagan]

wrong... the cat is ordering you to prepare it in a suitable manner for it.

528 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:21:51pm

re: #493 prairiefire

So...you created you?

I think it was that previous poster--when he emerged from that miasma on top of a mountain :) //

529 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:21:53pm

re: #520 JasonA

Well... what he said was not necessarily false. If we are nothing more than energy and matter then it would be entirely true for me to claim that I've always existed. Or more specifically that everything that makes up "me" has always existed, though not in this particular combination...

you cannot destroy matter...so the statement is clearly true

530 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:23:13pm

re: #493 prairiefire

So...you created you?

Youtube Video

Sorry, I couldn't help myself :p

531 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:23:36pm

re: #529 albusteve

you cannot destroy matter...so the statement is clearly true

No, but I can blast it into sub-sub-sub-sub-sub atomic particles!
BOOOMMMM

532 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:23:39pm

I forget, am I God or am I dead?

533 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:23:56pm

re: #515 Sand Panda

OT, but is it possible to tell who downdinged or updinged a particular comment?

Click on the little number there.

534 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:24:23pm

re: #529 albusteve

you cannot destroy matter...so the statement is clearly true

sure you can... my auntie taught me that :)

535 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:24:27pm

re: #532 RayGunIsDead

I forget, am I God or am I dead?

Man made god and god made Revlon.
--the Buzzcocks

536 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:24:34pm

re: #502 JasonA

That movie has totally replaced the whole Godfather trilogy as a primary source for quotes.

537 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:24:46pm

re: #520 JasonA

Well... what he said was not necessarily false. If we are nothing more than energy and matter then it would be entirely true for me to claim that I've always existed. Or more specifically that everything that makes up "me" has always existed, though not in this particular combination...

That's not the way his post struck me, though. Coupled with the totality of his posts today, he seemed to be being a impudent pest again.

538 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:24:48pm

re: #518 BryanS

I agree that the universe was not made for us--most religions would disagree with that assertion. I just don't see glory in believing something that has no likelihood of being true. The truth matters to me.

Why does it have no likelihood of being true? Your comments intrigue me, Bryan.

539 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:25:04pm

re: #524 Nimed

Juvenile thought of the day -- that demon looks like he's taking a dump.

/sorry about that

When I was a kid, that scene always used to scare the uh, shitty mountain out of me.

540 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:25:35pm

re: #509 Gang of One

If there is no first cause, no first principle, (i know, redundant) than all of philosophy is a waste of time. The ancients had to assume a principle, and they asserted it was divine, bigger and above mortal man.
God being the Creator is not a theory, it is an assumption. And no matter how far back you go, in terms of cause-effect, one MUST start somewhere.

The big bang is he current scientific theory for that starting point. I agree, by definition faith is an assumption that ideas are true without any proof for those ideas. Why must that start be your god? Why not the Dawkinsian spaghetti monster?

541 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:25:45pm

re: #530 marjoriemoon

Oops

Youtube Video
542 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:25:49pm

re: #525 JasonA

re: #533 Gang of One

Thank you! lgf just got a whole lot more interesting...

543 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:26:02pm

re: #532 RayGunIsDead

I forget, am I God or am I dead?

no more a limbo assholeian state... you exist on a blog.

544 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:26:33pm

re: #540 BryanS

The big bang is he current scientific theory for that starting point. I agree, by definition faith is an assumption that ideas are true without any proof for those ideas. Why must that start be your god? Why not the Dawkinsian spaghetti monster?

I love the spaghetti monster. Makes sense to me.

545 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:26:34pm

re: #532 RayGunIsDead

I forget, am I God or am I dead?

I think therefore I pee.
Or something.

546 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:26:45pm

re: #536 Nimed

That movie has totally replaced the whole Godfather trilogy as a primary source for quotes.

What movie? That's what my old man used to tell me...

/

547 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:27:31pm

re: #542 Sand Panda

re: #533 Gang of One

Thank you! lgf just got a whole lot more interesting...

Are you aware of the existence of the LGF Spy?

548 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:27:35pm

re: #539 Sand Panda

Click on the number by the + & - boxes and Charles' groovy blog will tell you who dings up and down.

549 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:27:56pm

As an atheist, I apologize for the preacher atheist among us.
:P
:)

550 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:28:25pm

re: #547 Nimed

Nope; I haven't visited the site in a while. Please educate me! :)

551 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:28:25pm

re: #537 Dark_Falcon

That's not the way his post struck me, though. Coupled with the totality of his posts today, he seemed to be being a impudent pest again.

the trouble with the ding system is that bone heads use it to judge other posters, not taking into consideration all the phony butthurt and the constant ding addiction that has people dinging all over the place with little or no thought for the post itself...if you have bad karma, you must be a bad person...hey lets even posts the stats!...strut your stuff

552 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:28:30pm

re: #547 Nimed

Are you aware of the existence of the LGF Spy?

/well you gotta truly believe...

553 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:29:16pm

re: #548 prairiefire

Click on the number by the + & - boxes and Charles' groovy blog will tell you who dings up and down.

after a while you can just assume...

554 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:29:41pm

re: #540 BryanS

The big bang is he current scientific theory for that starting point. I agree, by definition faith is an assumption that ideas are true without any proof for those ideas. Why must that start be your god? Why not the Dawkinsian spaghetti monster?

Big Bang as a starting point for the physical universe ... sounds good. I mean it is plausible and so far as a theory it makes sense. I am talking about a first cause of truth and knowledge, what the ancients sought to understand.

555 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:29:52pm

re: #551 albusteve

Does it count as "irony" that I just up-dinged that comment?

556 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:30:02pm

re: #547 Nimed

Are you aware of the existence of the LGF Spy?

Just because you are paranoid, does not mean someone is not after you.

557 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:30:11pm

re: #538 Gang of One

Why does it have no likelihood of being true? Your comments intrigue me, Bryan.

I should more precisely say it has an extremely low probability of being true--there is no evidence to support the claim that god created the universe. Just as there is no evidence that there are ghosts or fairies. Could such things exist? I suppose, but I don't seriously consider that.

558 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:30:36pm

re: #544 RayGunIsDead

I love the spaghetti monster. Makes sense to me.

in fact I am baking his ass with some eggplant as we speak... oh yeah!

559 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:31:16pm

Ace of Spades is heading the same way as ACEofWHAT. A total conversion. In my opinion.

560 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:31:32pm

re: #557 BryanS

I should more precisely say it has an extremely low probability of being true--there is no evidence to support the claim that god created the universe. Just as there is no evidence that there are ghosts or fairies. Could such things exist? I suppose, but I don't seriously consider that.

Fair enough, Sir.

561 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:31:52pm

re: #549 Varek Raith

I was thinking it is purposeful, with the intent to make your kind look ignorant and cruel. Just a 'theory'.

562 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:32:39pm

re: #555 Slumbering Behemoth

Does it count as "irony" that I just up-dinged that comment?

no, but I pay no attention to that stuff

563 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:32:51pm

i hesitate to weigh in on this dangerous subject, but here is a 'third way' vis-a-vis the existence of g-d:

as an engineer, at work i need to decide what i can know and what is not knowable. for me, the existence of g-d falls into the category of unknowable

furthermore, i think it is not necessary to know whether or not g-d exists

for those who care, you can take pascal's wager. for me, i intend to follow the righteous moral commandments of the bible whether, in the end, g-d exists or does not exist, so i feel no need to speculate

564 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:33:39pm

re: #559 RayGunIsDead

Youtube Video
565 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:33:46pm

re: #550 Sand Panda

Nope; I haven't visited the site in a while. Please educate me! :)

Well, if you click on the LGF Master Spy link (below the log in) you can see EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN ALL LGF THREADS AND LINKS.

Personally, I mostly use it to hunt down users who post the latest Steyn jeremiad.

566 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:33:54pm

re: #559 RayGunIsDead

Ace of Spades is heading the same way as ACEofWHAT. A total conversion. In my opinion.

Allow me to suggest that you get to know Aceofwhat? before making any more comments like the above.

567 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:34:03pm

re: #497 RayGunIsDead

I have faith that I always existed.

re: #503 brookly red

and that is probably true... so what have you learned in all this time?

To keep my mouth shut about it.

568 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:34:33pm

re: #567 ryannon

To keep my mouth shut about it.

DING DING DING!!!

569 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:34:36pm

re: #562 albusteve

Which is precisely why I ding you. I am easily amused.

570 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:34:37pm

re: #567 ryannon

To keep my mouth shut about it.

You're no fun.
///

571 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:34:49pm

re: #563 engineer dog

i hesitate to weigh in on this dangerous subject, but here is a 'third way' vis-a-vis the existence of g-d:

as an engineer, at work i need to decide what i can know and what is not knowable. for me, the existence of g-d falls into the category of unknowable

furthermore, i think it is not necessary to know whether or not g-d exists

for those who care, you can take pascal's wager. for me, i intend to follow the righteous moral commandments of the bible whether, in the end, g-d exists or does not exist, so i feel no need to speculate

'for those who care, you can take pascal's wager'

As CS Lewis stated, get off the fence. Wavering in between is the most pathetic of states. Sorry.

572 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:34:58pm

re: #556 RayGunIsDead

Just because you are paranoid, does not mean someone is not after you.

You had said that already, didn't you?

You did, didn't you?

573 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:35:30pm

re: #554 Gang of One

Big Bang as a starting point for the physical universe ... sounds good. I mean it is plausible and so far as a theory it makes sense. I am talking about a first cause of truth and knowledge, what the ancients sought to understand.

First cause of truth? As a proposition that doesn't make sense. Why would truth have a cause?

Knowledge, as is accumulated by mankind, is caused by mankind. Science is the method of accumulating knowledge so we can get ever closer to what is the truth. We never actually get to the whole truth--even the law of gravity had to be modified by Einstein's general relativity. And still, there are suggestions that the theory of gravity has more to it than we understand.

574 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:36:00pm

re: #567 ryannon

To keep my mouth shut about it.

you have the right (as given by your creator) to remain silent... if you give up this right muwahhahahaha!

575 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:36:26pm

re: #559 RayGunIsDead

Ace of Spades is heading the same way as ACEofWHAT. A total conversion. In my opinion.

What the hell do you know?

576 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:36:57pm

re: #559 RayGunIsDead

For that you earn this vid:

Youtube Video
577 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:37:17pm

re: #574 brookly red

you have the right (as given by your creator) to remain silent... if you give up this right muwahhahahaha!

From personal experience I can tell you that one must finish their speech before the eeevil laugh, otherwise, you tip your hand.

578 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:37:21pm

re: #563 engineer dog

i hesitate to weigh in on this dangerous subject, but here is a 'third way' vis-a-vis the existence of g-d:

as an engineer, at work i need to decide what i can know and what is not knowable. for me, the existence of g-d falls into the category of unknowable

furthermore, i think it is not necessary to know whether or not g-d exists

for those who care, you can take pascal's wager. for me, i intend to follow the righteous moral commandments of the bible whether, in the end, g-d exists or does not exist, so i feel no need to speculate

I like that argument. It is far better than the "If their were no god then we would have no reason to behave. BLEEEARGLE!!! MUDER, DEATH KILL!" argument.

579 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:37:32pm

re: #571 RayGunIsDead

'for those who care, you can take pascal's wager'

As CS Lewis stated, get off the fence. Wavering in between is the most pathetic of states. Sorry.

That's not a waver. That's truth. God either exists or She doesn't. Today we don't know, yes? Maybe we will tomorrow.

But what does it matter if you do the right thing or at least try to live a moral life?

580 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:37:54pm

re: #574 brookly red

you have the right (as given by your creator) to remain silent... if you give up this right muwahhahahaha!

Is AceOfWhat going to kill me? I am not scared of dieing as I will be born again.

581 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:37:55pm

re: #562 albusteve

no, but I pay no attention to that stuff

I think it adds to the conversation, since we are all just pixels on a screen.

582 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:38:10pm

re: #566 darthstar

Allow me to suggest that you get to know Aceofwhat? before making any more comments like the above.

that's rich coming from you....you have a short blogging memory

583 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:38:51pm

re: #577 Varek Raith

From personal experience I can tell you that one must finish their speech before the eeevil laugh, otherwise, you tip your hand.

do not presume to tell me how to be evil. ;)

584 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:38:58pm

re: #575 prairiefire

What the hell do you know?

Oh no, he didn't just diss my ACE, DID HE???

585 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:39:10pm

re: #571 RayGunIsDead

'for those who care, you can take pascal's wager'

As CS Lewis stated, get off the fence. Wavering in between is the most pathetic of states. Sorry.

that's ok, i upding you for putting the point and making me pony up

as a rationalist i tend to not believe in g-d, but it would be unscientific to positively assert that this is true since it cannot be subjected to proof or disproof via experiment

586 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:39:11pm

re: #565 Nimed

Well, if you click on the LGF Master Spy link (below the log in) you can see EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN ALL LGF THREADS AND LINKS.

Personally, I mostly use it to hunt down users who post the latest Steyn jeremiad.

Thanks! I feel like Sauron now...

/The Eye of Mordor sees all

587 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:39:23pm

re: #549 Varek Raith

As an atheist, I apologize for the preacher atheist among us.
:P
:)

I'm trying to think of something atheisty to say.

//

588 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:39:24pm

re: #577 Varek Raith

From personal experience I can tell you that one must finish their speech before the eeevil laugh, otherwise, you tip your hand.

You usually just jump right into Force Choking the victim, so the laugh doesn't even come into play.

589 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:39:27pm

re: #582 albusteve

that's rich coming from you...you have a short blogging memory

I have a lot of respect for Ace...we've had some good conversations here on matters of faith as well as other topics.

590 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:39:44pm

re: #579 marjoriemoon

That's not a waver. That's truth. God either exists or She doesn't. Today we don't know, yes? Maybe we will tomorrow.

But what does it matter if you do the right thing or at least try to live a moral life?

Try being a Humanist. Please go read Vonnegut.

Where is Kilgore?

591 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:40:04pm

re: #563 engineer dog

i hesitate to weigh in on this dangerous subject, but here is a 'third way' vis-a-vis the existence of g-d:

as an engineer, at work i need to decide what i can know and what is not knowable. for me, the existence of g-d falls into the category of unknowable

furthermore, i think it is not necessary to know whether or not g-d exists

for those who care, you can take pascal's wager. for me, i intend to follow the righteous moral commandments of the bible whether, in the end, g-d exists or does not exist, so i feel no need to speculate

Of course god is not knowable--it is an untestable hypothesis by design. God and religion are not scientific, so they can never be disproven, but so could we never disprove that ghosts and fairies do not exist.

Pascal's wager is fatuous tripe. Do you believe in Zeus? Buddha ? Zoroaster? Thor? Allah? Yahweh ? Jesus ? Vishnu ? If Pascal's wager is good for one of them, it's good for all of them.

592 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:40:13pm

re: #588 Dark_Falcon

You usually just jump right into Force Choking the victim, so the laugh doesn't even come into play.

True...
I end up laughing at a dead guy.
Makes me look kinda crazy.

593 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:40:32pm

re: #580 RayGunIsDead

Is AceOfWhat going to kill me? I am not scared of dieing as I will be born again.

No...but virtual suicide by stinky is always an option. Talking shit about regulars is a good way to flounce, if that is your goal.

594 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:40:34pm

re: #589 darthstar

I have a lot of respect for Ace...we've had some good conversations here on matters of faith as well as other topics.

I certainly hope you are maturing...I don't dislike you myself

595 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:40:39pm

re: #580 RayGunIsDead

Is AceOfWhat going to kill me? I am not scared of dieing as I will be born again.

Not with your karma you won't. I hope you enjoy being a dung beetle.
/

596 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:40:46pm

re: #579 marjoriemoon

That's not a waver. That's truth. God either exists or She doesn't. Today we don't know, yes? Maybe we will tomorrow.

But what does it matter if you do the right thing or at least try to live a moral life?

But what if the gnostics are right?

Nobody ever expects the demiurge.

597 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:41:00pm

re: #590 RayGunIsDead

Try being a Humanist. Please go read Vonnegut.

Where is Kilgore?

So if I believe in God, I'm not a humanist? I'm lost.

598 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:41:03pm

re: #585 engineer dog

that's ok, i upding you for putting the point and making me pony up

as a rationalist i tend to not believe in g-d, but it would be unscientific to positively assert that this is true since it cannot be subjected to proof or disproof via experiment

Go talk to CS Lewis, not me.

599 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:41:11pm

re: #590 RayGunIsDead

Try being a Humanist. Please go read Vonnegut.

Where is Kilgore?

here I am....nice pants, so what's up?

600 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:41:22pm

re: #589 darthstar

I have a lot of respect for Ace...we've had some good conversations here on matters of faith as well as other topics.

Ace is cool.

601 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:41:26pm

re: #580 RayGunIsDead

Is AceOfWhat going to kill me? I am not scared of dieing as I will be born again.

Oh sorry I did not think that you were listening to me... cause I was not listening to you. My bad big time. :(

602 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:41:54pm

re: #594 albusteve

I certainly hope you are maturing...I don't dislike you myself

I've been on a bit of a negative roll lately, I'll admit. And I know I've been less than tolerant of you in recent weeks. Nothing personal, I assure you.

603 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:43:41pm

re: #583 brookly red

do not presume to tell me how to be evil. ;)

He's not telling you what to do. Consider this more of a "Workshop" - How To Be Better at Being Bad.

We toss around concepts and ideas in order to improve our game, so to speak. For instance, I can inform you that hiding your lair in the Arctic is no longer a valid strategy, but I can't tell you not to build one there.

604 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:43:45pm

Tiger's had five birdies so far this round...(three bogeys too), but he's starting to play good golf.

605 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:44:13pm

re: #594 albusteve

re: #602 darthstar

Would you 2 like to have a moment alone in this thread?

I promise I won't watch in the Master Spy.

606 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:44:18pm

re: #600 Varek Raith

Ace is cool.

Ace of Spades? Do you have a clue?

607 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:44:24pm

re: #603 Slumbering Behemoth

He's not telling you what to do. Consider this more of a "Workshop" - How To Be Better at Being Bad.

We toss around concepts and ideas in order to improve our game, so to speak. For instance, I can inform you that hiding your lair in the Arctic is no longer a valid strategy, but I can't tell you not to build one there.

Lol

608 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:44:58pm

re: #606 RayGunIsDead

Ace of Spades? Do you have a clue?

AceofWhat.
You fail at baiting.

609 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:44:59pm

re: #603 Slumbering Behemoth

He's not telling you what to do. Consider this more of a "Workshop" - How To Be Better at Being Bad.

We toss around concepts and ideas in order to improve our game, so to speak. For instance, I can inform you that hiding your lair in the Arctic is no longer a valid strategy, but I can't tell you not to build one there.

dude I am in Brooklyn...

610 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:45:01pm

re: #602 darthstar

I've been on a bit of a negative roll lately, I'll admit. And I know I've been less than tolerant of you in recent weeks. Nothing personal, I assure you.

non taken
and that's how it has to be to get along and move ahead through the sphere

611 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:45:36pm

re: #605 Nimed

re: #602 darthstar

Would you 2 like to have a moment alone in this thread?

I promise I won't watch in the Master Spy.

Now, now, now...no need for that level of sarcasm...

612 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:45:41pm

re: #596 Nimed

But what if the gnostics are right?

Nobody ever expects the demiurge.

hehe What do the gnostics believe? Kinda 1 from Column A and 2 from Column B?

613 ryannon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:45:58pm

re: #554 Gang of One

Big Bang as a starting point for the physical universe ... sounds good. I mean it is plausible and so far as a theory it makes sense. I am talking about a first cause of truth and knowledge, what the ancients sought to understand.

Just a starting point for our physical universe. For some physicists today, the Big Bang is the narrow end of a Black Hole: matter being sucked in and blown out to form new stars and galaxies. The Ultimate in recycling.

614 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:46:14pm

re: #605 Nimed

re: #602 darthstar

Would you 2 like to have a moment alone in this thread?

I promise I won't watch in the Master Spy.

new, young blood runs hot...I like that even when I'm their target

615 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:46:44pm

re: #613 ryannon

Just a starting point for our physical universe. For some physicists today, the Big Bang is the narrow end of a Black Hole: matter being sucked in and blown out to form new stars and galaxies. The Ultimate in recycling.

We're the crap of another Universe!
Neat!

616 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:47:02pm

re: #612 marjoriemoon

hehe What do the gnostics believe? Kinda 1 from Column A and 2 from Column B?

cool! comes with soup & spring rolls I am down wit dat!

617 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:47:04pm

re: #605 Nimed

re: #602 darthstar

Would you 2 like to have a moment alone in this thread?

I promise I won't watch in the Master Spy.

Oh won't somebody please think of the (potential) children!

618 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:47:23pm

re: #613 ryannon

Just a starting point for our physical universe. For some physicists today, the Big Bang is the narrow end of a Black Hole: matter being sucked in and blown out to form new stars and galaxies. The Ultimate in recycling.

with my karma, I'll come back as a pop bottle and have to do it all over again

619 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:47:36pm

re: #615 Varek Raith

We're the crap of another Universe!
Neat!

lol So that's what all those POOP signs mean!

620 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:48:05pm

re: #606 RayGunIsDead

Ace of Spades? Do you have a clue?

You need an attitude adjustment. Otherwise, I see your time here as being rather limited or torn with strife.

621 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:48:06pm

re: #615 Varek Raith

We're the crap of another Universe!
Neat!

Ashes to ashes, crap to crap.

622 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:48:38pm

re: #618 albusteve

with my karma, I'll come back as a pop bottle and have to do it all over again

shit with your karma you will come back as you.

623 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:48:40pm

re: #609 brookly red

dude I am in Brooklyn...

Excellent! Our "Long Forgotten Sewer Tunnels - Pre-Built Lairs Just There For The Taking" seminar is next week. You should definitely attend.

624 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:49:10pm

Wow, this site is a little weird, and I think only about 20 percent have a clue what is really going on...

625 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:49:31pm

re: #624 RayGunIsDead

Wow, this site is a little weird, and I think only about 20 percent have a clue what is really going on...

See, there you go again.

626 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:49:42pm

re: #624 RayGunIsDead

Wow, this site is a little weird, and I think only about 20 percent have a clue what is really going on...

"really going on"? as in?

627 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:49:48pm

re: #622 brookly red

shit with your karma you will come back as you.

praise the lord and pass the bong!

628 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:49:58pm

re: #620 Gus 802

You need an attitude adjustment. Otherwise, I see your time here as being rather limited or torn with strife.

Translation for RayGun just in case Gus's words didn't make sense to him.

629 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:50:28pm

re: #615 Varek Raith

We're the crap of another Universe!
Neat!

In that case, dung beetles ought to re-brand themselves as "cosmic Beatles".

630 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:50:33pm

re: #623 Slumbering Behemoth

Excellent! Our "Long Forgotten Sewer Tunnels - Pre-Built Lairs Just There For The Taking" seminar is next week. You should definitely attend.

well I got a rent stabilized lease... I think I will pass but thanks anyway.

631 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:50:41pm

Kiss me off now. I beg you.

632 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:51:21pm

re: #627 albusteve

praise the lord and pass the bong!

I prefer a simple burbler.

633 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:51:31pm

re: #626 BryanS

Sock puppet trolling/mobying, would be my guess.

634 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:51:36pm

re: #624 RayGunIsDead

Wow, this site is a little weird, and I think only about 20 percent have a clue what is really going on...

we have our own groovy reality...if you are some sort of bot you will have trouble with our swamp here

635 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:51:58pm

Weird.

636 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:52:22pm

re: #612 marjoriemoon

hehe What do the gnostics believe? Kinda 1 from Column A and 2 from Column B?

To put it in very simplistic terms -- Some gnostics believe that our creator (the demiurge) is inherently flawed, others that he is downright evil. Either way, the material world we live in is imperfect in essence, and cannot possibly be improved by the efforts of humanity.

Gnostics are quite a pessimistic bunch.

637 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:52:26pm

re: #631 RayGunIsDead

Kiss me off now. I beg you.

look that usually costs you 250 bucks... beg all you want but show us some money.

638 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:52:34pm

re: #634 albusteve

we have our own groovy reality...if you are some sort of bot you will have trouble with our swamp here

I AAAAMMMM BATMAN!

639 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:52:35pm

re: #631 RayGunIsDead

Kiss me off now. I beg you.

Careful what you wish for. Sometimes taking a break from the internet is a good thing. Noone's asking you to leave, but you're not making the smartest of decisions right now.

640 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:53:15pm

re: #632 darthstar

I prefer a simple burbler.

whoa...that's no toilet paper roll
I use a mini corn cob

641 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:54:24pm

re: #630 brookly red

well I got a rent stabilized lease... I think I will pass but thanks anyway.

You can't run a proper clandestine, experimental lab out of one of those. Come to the seminar anyway, we've got free donuts and coffee. Stay away from the jelly filled ones, though. They come from Varek's lab, and I don't trust that shit.

642 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:54:27pm

re: #631 RayGunIsDead

Kiss me off now. I beg you.

You sound like you'd be a devil with the ladies.
/

643 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:54:28pm

re: #638 Varek Raith

I AAAMMM BATMAN!

look, waking up with a teen named Robin does not make you Batman...

just saying.

644 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:54:41pm

re: #624 RayGunIsDead

Wow, this site is a little weird, and I think only about 20 percent have a clue what is really going on...

Definitely a servant of Cthulhu. Remember, I called it first.

645 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:55:21pm

re: #640 albusteve

whoa...that's no toilet paper roll
I use a mini corn cob

I threw away all my glassware when I met my wife and decided to take a break from smoking. Still have one small unit in my golf bag (for when I golf). But there are some very beautiful pieces of glass out there, and they give you just as cool a hit as a bong does.

646 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:55:56pm

re: #636 Nimed

To put it in very simplistic terms -- Some gnostics believe that our creator (the demiurge) is inherently flawed, others that he is downright evil. Either way, the material world we live in is imperfect in essence, and cannot possibly be improved by the efforts of humanity.

Gnostics are quite a pessimistic bunch.

Oh dear... not my cup of tea then.

647 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:56:01pm

re: #643 brookly red

Oh snap. You're on fire today Red.

648 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:56:23pm

re: #631 RayGunIsDead

I'll go get the charcoal.

649 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:56:56pm

re: #644 Nimed

Definitely a servant of Cthulhu. Remember, I called it first.

What's with the Cthulhu meme in recent days? I think I missed the genesis of that getting tossed around these blog pages.

650 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:56:58pm

re: #644 Nimed

Now you know why I eat their souls.

651 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:57:09pm

re: #641 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey Vre: #641 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, Varek uses only the freshest Ewok blood in his doughnut fillings, freighted in "forest-fresh" every morning from Endor.

652 Gus  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:57:38pm

re: #648 Dark_Falcon

I'll go get the charcoal.

We'll need the petroleum based charcoal starter.

And some matches.

/

653 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:57:56pm

Tiger just missed a 35 foot birdie by a half inch. We could see some fireworks before this tournament is over.

654 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:58:13pm

re: #651 Sand Panda

Hey Vre: #641 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, Varek uses only the freshest Ewok blood in his doughnut fillings, freighted in "forest-fresh" every morning from Endor.

And the ovens are fed from wood from clear-cut Endor forests. >:D

655 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:58:44pm

re: #604 darthstar

Tiger's had five birdies so far this round...

What were their names?

656 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:59:03pm

re: #654 Dark_Falcon

And the ovens are fed from wood from clear-cut Endor forests. >:D

I know it's organic, but is it sustainable?

657 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:59:04pm

re: #654 Dark_Falcon

And the ovens are fed from wood from clear-cut Endor forests. >:D

I'll render some Ewok fat...it makes for a good flame.

658 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 4:59:52pm

re: #655 JasonA

What were their names?

I don't know, but he used a woodie to hit them.

[rimshot]

659 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:00:17pm

re: #655 JasonA

What were their names?

Heh...as I predicted, his sexcapades are no longer a topic for discussion on the PGA...he took a couple of tournaments off, and they looked at their lost revenue and said to the sportscasters, "Ix-nay on the ucking-fay."

660 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:00:22pm

re: #649 BryanS

What's with the Cthulhu meme in recent days? I think I missed the genesis of that getting tossed around these blog pages.

You'll find out soon enough. BWAHAHAHA!

BTW, I think doing that as often as you do is a bit unhealthy. Just sayin'.

661 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:00:27pm

re: #641 Slumbering Behemoth

You can't run a proper clandestine, experimental lab out of one of those. Come to the seminar anyway, we've got free donuts and coffee. Stay away from the jelly filled ones, though. They come from Varek's lab, and I don't trust that shit.

well I can use to take the deduction off (there is after all a larger evil), but I need not experiment... I have all the data I need.

I am a registered Democrat.

662 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:01:01pm

re: #656 Sand Panda

I know it's organic, but is it sustainable?

Oh sure--ewoks grow like tribbles.

663 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:01:30pm

re: #645 darthstar

I threw away all my glassware when I met my wife and decided to take a break from smoking. Still have one small unit in my golf bag (for when I golf). But there are some very beautiful pieces of glass out there, and they give you just as cool a hit as a bong does.

I remember the first glass tubes with a bowl poking up...4-5 inches long...they worked like a dream but became too brittle, they always broke....seems like ancient times now....I passed all the head shops today up by UNM...I should go shopping...I hadn't used any pot for 5 or 6 years until a month ago...the truth is I have chronic leg pain and I tried it again to see if it would help...it didn't, but it did remind me a good buzz, my blues vibe went up

664 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:02:10pm

re: #648 Dark_Falcon

I'll go get the charcoal.

let him post...relax with that stuff

665 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:02:21pm

re: #632 darthstar

I prefer a simple burbler.

Beautiful. It looks like an octopus.

666 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:02:30pm

re: #656 Sand Panda

I know it's organic, but is it sustainable?

No, but that's the point. Varek is punishing Endor slowly and with great brutality. And by killing off the Ewoks slowly, his stormtroopers gain anti-ambush skills. Once a legion is rotated through Endor, they are far more effective in clearing out Rebels.

667 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:02:41pm

re: #573 BryanS

First cause of truth? As a proposition that doesn't make sense. Why would truth have a cause?

Knowledge, as is accumulated by mankind, is caused by mankind. Science is the method of accumulating knowledge so we can get ever closer to what is the truth. We never actually get to the whole truth--even the law of gravity had to be modified by Einstein's general relativity. And still, there are suggestions that the theory of gravity has more to it than we understand.

You have to have something to measure truth against. How do you know something is true? Because 'science' says so? What gives 'science' the monopoly on truth? Is it the empiricism?

668 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:02:48pm

re: #661 brookly red

well I can use to take the deduction off (there is after all a larger evil), but I need not experiment... I have all the data I need.

I am a registered Democrat.

How much insight into the Democratic Party do you get just by checking off that little box?

669 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:03:05pm

re: #660 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm reluctant to click on a link to a file with both Cthulhu and masturbation in the title.

/Oh God, so many tentacles...I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so...

670 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:03:15pm

re: #665 prairiefire

Beautiful. It looks like an octopus.

it's a squid I think

671 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:03:27pm

re: #651 Sand Panda

Look, I don't trust megalomaniac vampires. I wouldn't put it past him to put his own damnable vampire blood in that stuff and turn us all into slave-ghouls.

672 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:04:08pm

re: #664 albusteve

let him post...relax with that stuff

I'm just positioning it. Charles will handle the situation as he sees fit.

673 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:04:45pm

re: #667 Gang of One

You have to have something to measure truth against. How do you know something is true? Because 'science' says so? What gives 'science' the monopoly on truth? Is it the empiricism?

because of the laws of reason, math, and physics....we understand the fundamental laws of our universe

674 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:05:26pm

re: #664 albusteve

let him post...relax with that stuff

I think I've given him some simple advice for surviving his first few days here. I came damn close to flouncing in my first week myself, so I speak from experience.

675 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:05:29pm

re: #671 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, but the sort of evil overlord who gives his minions fresh doughnuts can't be all bad. Plus, he's supporting local businesses.

676 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:05:37pm

re: #669 Sand Panda

It's "safe for work". I have a very strict policy on placing the "NSFW" tag on links that may be salacious or otherwise offend.

677 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:07:19pm

re: #643 brookly red

look, waking up with a teen named Robin does not make you Batman...

just saying.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

678 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:07:50pm

re: #668 JasonA

How much insight into the Democratic Party do you get just by checking off that little box?

well I cross referenced with my tax return & I considered the 30 years of local town hall meetings and I have come to the conclusion that this shirt ain't working. So I have a great insight into the party... and WE are seriously fucked up.

679 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:07:53pm

re: #624 RayGunIsDead

Wow, this site is a little weird, and I think only about 20 percent have a clue what is really going on...

You are judging us?

680 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:07:56pm

One of the things, maybe THE thing I like about this place, is you never know quite what to expect. You think it's Right, and then it's Left or vice versa. And people who you're SURE feel a certain way come way out of Left (or Right) field with something completely different.

Like Brookly is a registered Dem. Who knew??

I love LGF. It's a blog like no other.

681 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:08:17pm

re: #667 Gang of One

You have to have something to measure truth against. How do you know something is true? Because 'science' says so? What gives 'science' the monopoly on truth? Is it the empiricism?

It is the iterative method of testing and improving hypotheses that makes science the most credible method for determining truth. Science makes no claim to having absolute truth--only the best possible explanation, and then only with appropriate caveats regarding the weight of evidence .

Any scientist claiming to have the absolute truth isn't doing it right.

682 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:08:38pm

re: #662 BryanS

Oh sure--ewoks grow like tribbles.

That's not what the leaflet that "Save the Ewoks" posted through my letterbox says.

683 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:08:56pm

re: #676 Slumbering Behemoth

Cool - thanks.

684 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:09:57pm

re: #679 Gang of One

You are judging us?

*Wipes Ewok blood from face*
Yeah, are you judging us.

685 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:10:12pm

re: #674 darthstar

I think I've given him some simple advice for surviving his first few days here. I came damn close to flouncing in my first week myself, so I speak from experience.

you did...and I was here long before the flounce was invented, so they all just sort of pass me by..I just think it's fair to let people post whatever they want...until the end, and that's Charles call...posters here ave gone into the "jump!....jump! mode here...no sense in 100 one liners to ridicule them

686 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:11:11pm

re: #682 Sand Panda

That's not what the leaflet that "Save the Ewoks" posted through my letterbox says.

The ewoks are crafty little critters. Don't trust them :)

687 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:12:16pm

re: #673 albusteve

because of the laws of reason, math, and physics...we understand the fundamental laws of our universe

True dat.

688 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:12:48pm

re: #685 albusteve

Ridicule is a lovely thing though it can be a double-edged sword...there was a movie called "Ridicule" a while back if I recall. Good flick if memory serves...French film...yes...here's the link:
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

689 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:13:22pm

re: #685 albusteve

you did...and I was here long before the flounce was invented

Dude, you were here before dirt was invented. Gramps.

690 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:13:35pm

re: #681 BryanS

It is the iterative method of testing and improving hypotheses that makes science the most credible method for determining truth. Science makes no claim to having absolute truth--only the best possible explanation, and then only with appropriate caveats regarding the weight of evidence .

Any scientist claiming to have the absolute truth isn't doing it right.

Yes. Good call, my friend.

691 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:13:40pm

re: #686 BryanS

The ewoks are crafty little critters. Don't trust them :)

The only good ewok is a braised ewok.

692 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:13:47pm

re: #689 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude, you were here before dirt was invented. Gramps.

DON'T FUCK WITH THE DUKE!

693 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:15:17pm

re: #674 darthstar

I think I've given him some simple advice for surviving his first few days here. I came damn close to flouncing in my first week myself, so I speak from experience.

I feel your pain. I was briefly accused of being Young Libertarian 92 (which I didn't know at the time it was a bad thing).

694 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:15:49pm

re: #680 marjoriemoon

One of the things, maybe THE thing I like about this place, is you never know quite what to expect. You think it's Right, and then it's Left or vice versa. And people who you're SURE feel a certain way come way out of Left (or Right) field with something completely different.

Like Brookly is a registered Dem. Who knew??

I love LGF. It's a blog like no other.

like ,anyone who read my posts since day one...

695 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:16:41pm

re: #689 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude, you were here before dirt was invented. Gramps.

was not

696 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:16:41pm

re: #694 brookly red

like ,anyone who read my posts since day one...

No way, you talk like a rightie.

697 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:17:15pm

re: #693 Nimed

I feel your pain. I was briefly accused of being Young Libertarian 92 (which I didn't know at the time it was a bad thing).

Sorry that happened to you.

698 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:17:41pm

re: #680 marjoriemoon

One of the things, maybe THE thing I like about this place, is you never know quite what to expect. You think it's Right, and then it's Left or vice versa. And people who you're SURE feel a certain way come way out of Left (or Right) field with something completely different.

Like Brookly is a registered Dem. Who knew??

I love LGF. It's a blog like no other.

and now I am call on all that have eyes let them see...

699 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:17:54pm

re: #686 BryanS

I knew something was up with that cutesy, "we're just innocent little woodland critters innocently frolicking in the woodland" act, from the beginning!

700 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:18:07pm

re: #692 Varek Raith

DON'T FUCK WITH THE DUKE!

Youtube Video

just do it
701 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:18:21pm

re: #686 BryanS

Heh. Ewoks.

702 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:18:30pm

re: #695 albusteve

was not

Yeah, but who else was around to verify that?
/

703 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:18:56pm

re: #624 RayGunIsDead

Wow, this site is a little weird, and I think only about 20 percent have a clue what is really going on...

Which 20%? :D

704 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:20:22pm

re: #696 marjoriemoon

No way, you talk like a rightie.

yeah no shit... kinda like a dog thats been beat too much. I am moving further to the right every day & thank you for showing me the way. :)

705 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:20:31pm

DAMN LUCAS TO THE BLOODY BOWELS OF THE MAW FOR THE EWOKS AND GUNGANS!

706 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:20:32pm

re: #703 WindUpBird

Which 20%? :D

I'm one of them!
;)

707 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:20:47pm

re: #678 brookly red

well I cross referenced with my tax return & I considered the 30 years of local town hall meetings and I have come to the conclusion that this shirt ain't working. So I have a great insight into the party... and WE are seriously fucked up.

You're have as much authority to appriase the Democratic party as I have authority to appraise the Philadelphia Flyers

708 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:21:39pm

re: #698 brookly red

and now I am call on all that have eyes let them see...

Seems to me that we have had some new users over the last few months (or even what that fellow on Bay6 said) that are surprised by what they find here. They have a preconceived notion that's very often challenged when they start to interact. Blogs are usually pegged Right or Left and we don't really that guideline.

Is what I meant.

709 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:21:54pm

re: #705 Varek Raith

DAMN LUCAS TO THE BLOODY BOWELS OF THE MAW FOR THE EWOKS AND GUNGANS!

I liked Jedi, but I'm no Star Wars fanboy, I'm not invested :D

710 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:22:00pm

Sorry about that.
Dark Rage is, well, hard to control. You know, being RAAAGGGEEE and all.
:)

711 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:22:07pm

re: #704 brookly red

yeah no shit... kinda like a dog thats been beat too much. I am moving further to the right every day & thank you for showing me the way. :)

Oh I can feel the love ♥

712 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:22:43pm

re: #695 albusteve

was not

Was too!

re: #411 albusteve

proof that people will argue about anything, no matter how irrelevant

Aw, damn it! Ya got me. Here's a cold one.

713 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:22:55pm

re: #691 darthstar

The only good ewok is a braised ewok.

Nah, they're all gristle; to really do it right you gotta slather them in barbecue sauce and slow-smoke them over Kashyyyk wroshyr chips.

714 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:23:27pm

re: #709 WindUpBird

I liked Jedi, but I'm no Star Wars fanboy, I'm not invested :D

Damn. Yet another goody good Jedi.
ZZZAAAPPPP!!!

715 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:23:55pm

re: #681 BryanS

It is the iterative method of testing and improving hypotheses that makes science the most credible method for determining truth. Science makes no claim to having absolute truth--only the best possible explanation, and then only with appropriate caveats regarding the weight of evidence .

Any scientist claiming to have the absolute truth isn't doing it right.

Bryan, I think you will find this guy's stuff very interesting. It is definitely good reading and great food for thought. I really think you'll enjoy it as much as I have.

716 Nimed  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:24:19pm

re: #697 Dark_Falcon

Sorry that happened to you.

Thanks, but there's really no need for that. Cluelessness was my friend. :D

717 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:24:32pm

re: #711 marjoriemoon

Hey marjorie - how do you make that little heart appear?

718 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:25:00pm

re: #661 brookly red

well I can use to take the deduction off (there is after all a larger evil), but I need not experiment... I have all the data I need.

I am a registered Democrat.

hahaha no matter how many times you say this, it doesn't matter, you're not a Democrat, nobody believes you're a Democrat, and saying it just makes you look sillier and easier to mock

I can check a box too! HURR HURR THAT MEANS I'M A REPERBLUCAN DUHH

719 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:25:03pm

re: #701 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Ewoks.

That's worse than ewok karaoke.

Vimeo
720 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:26:00pm

With all this talk of religion, I wish to interject a small commentary about an Irish lass, we only know now as; "Bridgid".
Her actions on this earth were extrodinary enough to bring her dieification as a pagan goddess, a Catholic Saint, and a voodoo idol . It is from her that we have the word "bridge". She was a poet, healer, philosopher, warrior and blacksmith.
She must have been an amazing woman.

721 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:26:11pm

re: #707 WindUpBird

You're have as much authority to appriase the Democratic party as I have authority to appraise the Philadelphia Flyers

no I got a vote in the party, you just got "favors" with the Flyers ;) so really what you say as usual is just bullshit. I am a registered Dem. since 76, and I have full right to appraise MY party so fuck off bird. And yes I did just say that.

722 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:26:17pm

re: #717 Sand Panda

Hey marjorie - how do you make that little heart appear?

☃

Unicode.

723 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:27:04pm

re: #719 darthstar

GAH! UNHOLY ABOMINATION! KILL IT WITH HELLFIRE!!!

Dude, nothing is worse than that.

724 albusteve  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:27:14pm

re: #712 Slumbering Behemoth

Aw, damn it! Ya got me. Here's a cold one.

miller time!

725 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:27:25pm

re: #714 Varek Raith

Damn. Yet another goody good Jedi.
ZZZAAAPPP!!!

NOOOO!! MASTER! I WILL AVENG-,

oh, wait,

carry on then.

726 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:28:01pm

re: #723 Slumbering Behemoth

GAH! UNHOLY ABOMINATION! KILL IT WITH HELLFIRE!!!

Dude, nothing is worse than that.

I'm on it.
Image: Kill_it_with_fire_scorpio.gif

727 BryanS  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:28:10pm

re: #715 Gang of One

Bryan, I think you will find this guy's stuff very interesting. It is definitely good reading and great food for thought. I really think you'll enjoy it as much as I have.

I'll have to spend some time there. Thanx for the link.

728 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:30:06pm

re: #718 WindUpBird

hahaha no matter how many times you say this, it doesn't matter, you're not a Democrat, nobody believes you're a Democrat, and saying it just makes you look sillier and easier to mock

I can check a box too! HURR HURR THAT MEANS I'M A REPERBLUCAN DUHH

don't worry bird I will never vote D again in a national election ... as for my locals maybe but enjoy this moment it is our last ... by by birdie :)

729 Gang of One  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:30:14pm

re: #727 BryanS

I'll have to spend some time there. Thanx for the link.

My pleasure, Bryan.

730 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:30:27pm

re: #724 albusteve

It's gettin' close. Almost time for me to go on a beer run walk. Think I'll head to the garage and swing a wrench or two as well.

Later Lizards.

731 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:31:05pm

re: #722 Varek Raith

☃

Unicode.

Thanks - I've just returned from a rather informative trip to Wikipedia. Stay frosty ;-)

732 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:31:17pm

re: #728 brookly red

don't worry bird I will never vote D again in a national election ... as for my locals maybe but enjoy this moment it is our last ... by by birdie :)

Sure you will...if forced to choose between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama.

733 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:31:44pm

BBL.
It's hotter than hell and my laptop is on the verge of overheating.

734 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:31:55pm

Charles -

Seems all'y'all are more "Peed" at Pam than she is at me - AND - that is going some!
Still, the Right of a Native Frenchman/woman, IN La Belle Hexagonne, to enjoy a Sausage Sandwich and a Glass of Vin Ordinaire, ANYWHERE in La Belle Hexagonne should be protected above the "Sensitive Feelings" of France's
Muslim Minority.
The Muslims CHOSE to come, welcomed by the French Government, if not all of France's Citizens. CHOOSING to live in another nation generally assumes that you will accommodate, if not totally assimilate to that nation's language and customs. In Mexico, Charles, that need to accommodate is THE LAW. If the Muslims want a Sha'aria Government - GO HOME TO ALGERIA, etc. If they want Arbitration under Islamic Law for Commercial Disputes among themselves, subject to the law of France, the UK, US, Canada, etc. - we can talk. AND, as for the US - with all of our Constitutional (Meaning Limitation on GOVERNMENT Power) Rights, on Federal and State Levels, the "Right Not to Have My Feelings Hurt" Does Not and Should Not Exist. Discussion? -S-

735 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:31:56pm

re: #716 Nimed

Thanks, but there's really no need for that. Cluelessness was my friend. :D

Well, AND the fact that you are NOT YL92

736 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:32:05pm

re: #726 Varek Raith

I'm on it.
Image: Kill_it_with_fire_scorpio.gif

That's your answer to everything, Revan!

737 brookly red  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:33:48pm

re: #732 darthstar

Sure you will...if forced to choose between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama.

dude, I hate to be the one to give you the bad news, but it's about anyone but obama... OK don't blame the messenger check the polls yes even the CNN ones.

738 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:34:41pm

re: #734 Dr. Shalit

Sure, go ahead and take the side of Holocaust deniers and fascists. It's your choice.

739 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:34:45pm

re: #707 WindUpBird

You're have as much authority to appriase the Democratic party as I have authority to appraise the Philadelphia Flyers

Appraising the Flyers is easy: They're an excellent team, but not as good as the Chicago Blackhawks.

740 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:35:15pm

re: #733 Varek Raith

BBL.
It's hotter than hell and my laptop is on the verge of overheating.

Looking at nekkid ewoks again?
/

741 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:37:12pm

re: #740 darthstar

Looking at nekkid ewoks again?
/

But Your Honour, they're not really naked if they're covered in fur.

742 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:37:44pm

re: #717 Sand Panda

Hey marjorie - how do you make that little heart appear?

Alt 3 (on the keypad)

743 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:38:18pm

re: #734 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Seems all'y'all are more "Peed" at Pam than she is at me - AND - that is going some!
Still, the Right of a Native Frenchman/woman, IN La Belle Hexagonne, to enjoy a Sausage Sandwich and a Glass of Vin Ordinaire, ANYWHERE in La Belle Hexagonne should be protected above the "Sensitive Feelings" of France's
Muslim Minority.
The Muslims CHOSE to come, welcomed by the French Government, if not all of France's Citizens. CHOOSING to live in another nation generally assumes that you will accommodate, if not totally assimilate to that nation's language and customs. In Mexico, Charles, that need to accommodate is THE LAW. If the Muslims want a Sha'aria Government - GO HOME TO ALGERIA, etc. If they want Arbitration under Islamic Law for Commercial Disputes among themselves, subject to the law of France, the UK, US, Canada, etc. - we can talk. AND, as for the US - with all of our Constitutional (Meaning Limitation on GOVERNMENT Power) Rights, on Federal and State Levels, the "Right Not to Have My Feelings Hurt" Does Not and Should Not Exist. Discussion? -S-

The problem is that the pattern of this group is to engage in these sorts of actions as a provocation to the Muslims. An action intended to start a riot is wrong. It's like shouting fire in a crowded exhibit hall.

744 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:38:22pm

Holy fuck...Tiger drains another birdie...back to even going to 18...aimed that putt 7 feet right of the hole for a 10 footer. Damn ball looked like it was laser guided.

745 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:38:51pm

re: #722 Varek Raith

☃

Unicode.

cool beans

746 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:39:13pm

re: #734 Dr. Shalit

Oh dear, and just as we'd got the thread OT enough to start discussing Ewok pr0n...

747 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:40:26pm

re: #742 marjoriemoon

Thanks! :-)

748 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:41:04pm

re: #728 brookly red

don't worry bird I will never vote D again in a national election

And as long as you don't leave NY your vote will never count. :)

749 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:41:40pm

See, this is why I don't talk religion. When it doesn't frustrate the hell outta me, it veers off into weird, nauseating topics that man should never be forced to contemplate...like Ewok pr0n.

750 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:41:51pm

Eat it, Safari-lovers. :P

Safari 5 tested: Chrome, Opera still have JavaScript edge

751 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:42:57pm

re: #746 Sand Panda

Oh dear, and just as we'd got the thread OT enough to start discussing Ewok pr0n...

What's amazing is how quickly Charles came back to the thread. He must be psychic.

752 darthstar  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:46:01pm

re: #750 JasonA

Eat it, Safari-lovers. :P

Safari 5 tested: Chrome, Opera still have JavaScript edge

Heh...Internet Exploder sucks...on Windows.

753 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:47:03pm

re: #718 WindUpBird
Many of us are Democrats. They were quite nutty before they got a President. The sane ones, who are embarrassed by the excesses of their over zealous predicessors, can be identified by their sing-song warble;

Tu-Quoque!
Tu-Quogue!

Although a Democrat, I looked to the Republicans, in the past, out of disgust with the minority party.
It is now obvious that political insanity is not caused by party affiliation; it is a product of not having enough people in power to ensure the ability to maintain control.
All political parties are without honor.

I say this, not because I wish to engage in equivocation, but because it is the truth.

754 Sand Panda  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:48:02pm

re: #749 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hey mister, I'll have you know that some of the more "out there" religions consider Ewok pr0n to be sacred, so show some respect! Besides, without the Ewok pr0n industry Burt Reynolds wouldn't have been been gainfully employed for over thirty years.
///

755 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:48:28pm

re: #752 darthstar

Heh...Internet Exploder sucks...on Windows.

If I were MS I'd pay people to not review IE.

756 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:53:08pm

re: #732 darthstar

Sure you will...if forced to choose between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama.

Oh he'll vote for Sarah.

757 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:53:23pm

re: #753 swamprat

Many of us are Democrats. They were quite nutty before they got a President. The sane ones, who are embarrassed by the excesses of their over zealous predicessors, can be identified by their sing-song warble;

Tu-Quoque!
Tu-Quogue!

Although a Democrat, I looked to the Republicans, in the past, out of disgust with the minority party.
It is now obvious that political insanity is not caused by party affiliation; it is a product of not having enough people in power to ensure the ability to maintain control.
All political parties are without honor.

I say this, not because I wish to engage in equivocation, but because it is the truth.

I would disagree. I'm proud to be a Democrat. That doesn't mean there aren't idiots in my party. But there are also fine men and women whom I admire, like Bill Clinton, Bill Nelson, Bob Graham, Kendrick and Carrie Meek, Lawton Chiles, Debbie Wasserman-Shultz (off the top of my head).

758 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:55:00pm

re: #757 marjoriemoon

I would disagree. I'm proud to be a Democrat. That doesn't mean there aren't idiots in my party. But there are also fine men and women whom I admire, like Bill Clinton, Bill Nelson, Bob Graham, Kendrick and Carrie Meek, Lawton Chiles, Debbie Wasserman-Shultz (off the top of my head).

And then there's Dennis Kucinich...

759 swamprat  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 6:00:41pm

re: #757 marjoriemoon

Lawton Chiles. I hadn't thought about the old "he-coon"...well, in a coon's age.

"the he-coon walks just before dawn" /Lawton Chiles

Translation: "Don't call this check-mate buddy. I ain't moved yet."(He won that election, by the way)

760 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 6:02:42pm

I'm a proud Democrat!

761 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 6:03:18pm

re: #758 JasonA

And then there's Dennis Kucinich...

His hate for Israel is pretty deep and I can't figure that one out. He rails against Israel for using "force" while never mentioning word one about the other side.

762 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 6:04:31pm

re: #738 Charles

Charles -

Please read again.

1. Pam is So Pissed at me you have No Idea.

2. France, Germany and the EU generally have some stiff laws regarding Holocaust denial. Perhaps they need them. Here in the US we had Alan Cranston , back in the day, distributing Mein Kampf as sunshine and disinfectant for the ideas contained therein.

3. My Bottom line is really simple, insulting the "Sensitive Feelings" of an Imported Minority by eating & drinking a "Ham Sandwich and a Beer" in my own country is utterly ridiculous. (For the Record, I am "Kosher" - Muslims are "Halal" - Lobster is a "cheat" for me - Not for them.)

4. Are there "Bad Eggs" in the European Right - Hell Yes! - In the European Left - Don't Get Me Going! See: Gaza Fauxtography for a start.

5. That is where I stand. I am a US Citizen, conceived, near as I can count, in Havana, Cuba and born in Perth Amboy, NJ. Further, I have run for office in racially mixed areas and have gone into "Black Bars" where proprietors have asked whether I would be "comfortable" being there. Answer - I am here to get votes - looks like I'll have to be comfortable if I want them.

763 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 6:05:01pm

re: #759 swamprat

Lawton Chiles. I hadn't thought about the old "he-coon"...well, in a coon's age.

"the he-coon walks just before dawn" /Lawton Chiles

Translation: "Don't call this check-mate buddy. I ain't moved yet."(He won that election, by the way)

Chiles was governor when I moved to Florida. A career politician, some 40 years in service? He was big on healthcare and education and the little people. Like real little people... kid care :)

764 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 6:10:51pm

re: #743 Dark_Falcon

Dark_Falcon -

With all due respect, I think that we both can agree that whatever his shortcomings, and longcomings as well - George Washington - is the
"Father of Our Country."

Posit, a population in disagreement with that. Posit, that that population threatens violence for our veneration of Washington rather than their "Moe.'

Which of us, PRAY TELL, is shouting "Fire in a crowded theatre?"

-S-

765 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 6:11:53pm

re: #10 Charles

Absolutely. This is a disgusting tactic that has long been used by European antisemites. They just switched it over to the Muslims, and useful idiots like Geller fall right in line to support it.

Someone needs to have a quiet sit down with Ms Geller and explain this to her. In detail. My rational mind finds it difficult to grasp that she would consciously support this organization if she knew of its origins & tactics.

I find myself feeling sorry for Ms Geller. Perhaps I shouldn't, as she is an adult, but still...it's just pathetic of her.

766 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 6:31:51pm

re: #765 eclectic infidel

eclectic infidel -

By and large, "EUROPA" is Judenrein and has been since the end of WWII. (Same with Iraq, Egypt, Syria, etc. - a Subject for another day)
An Oven Ready 6 Million plus Post War emigration made sure of that.

Europeans have discovered to their HORROR, that Muslims are MORE DIFFERENT as residents than the Jews they killed were. Worse yet, with the advent of the "Welfare State" those Muslims take more and Give Less Back to Europe than the Jews did.

When Native European Populations get tired of this they will go back to form, and it Will NOT be Pretty. That is all.

-S-

767 Pierless  Sun, Jun 20, 2010 1:22:40am

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768 Pierless  Sun, Jun 20, 2010 1:23:09am

r: #4 wrnchwnch

whn d y wnt pml gllr t qt? whn rws f mslms pry n yr strt?

769 Pierless  Sun, Jun 20, 2010 1:23:48am

r: #6 rlphby

whn d y wnt pml gllr t qt? whn rws f mslms pry n yr strt?

770 Pierless  Sun, Jun 20, 2010 1:26:34am

r: #6 rlphby

My 1,000 mslms pry n yr drstp!

771 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:35:55am

Flushed out another Muslim hater.


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