Secretary of Agriculture Stands By Request for Sherrod’s Resignation

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This is the statement from Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack. He’s actually standing by the decision to force Shirley Sherrod’s resignation. Wow. This is crazy.

Yesterday I asked for and accepted Ms. Sherrod’s resignation for two reasons.

First, for the past 18 months we have been working to turn a page on the sordid civil rights record of the USDA, and this controversy could make it more difficult to move forward on correcting injustices.

Second, state and rural development directors make many decisions and are often called to use their discretion. The controversy surrounding her comments would create situations where her decisions, rightly or wrongly, would be called into question, making it difficult for her to bring jobs into Georgia.

Our policy is clear. There is zero tolerance for discrimination at USDA, and we strongly condemn any act of discrimination against any person. We have a duty to ensure that when we provide services to the American people, we do so in an equitable manner. But equally important is our duty to instill confidence in the American people that we are fair service providers.

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1 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:58:57pm

Following the press conference, Tom Vilsack began to eat paste. He was later quoted as saying “sometimes i go poopy in my pants”, in response to criticism.

Fucking morons.

2 Jack Burton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:59:08pm

Sir, the Secretary of Agriculture believes that any answer he gives will be wrong, and the media will beat him even harder if he reverses himself, sir!

3 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:59:13pm

Gahhhh!

Damn it Democrats did we learn nothing from the time we fired the guy who called the police to try and bust up a human smuggling ring?

4 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:59:14pm

Another party to add to the lawsuit.

5 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:59:50pm
But equally important is our duty to instill confidence in the American people that we are fair service providers.

And Vilsack has decided to prove that point by backing an unfair claim and showing how shitty the USDA management is when settling disputes

6 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:00:17pm

Vilsack’s sack is lacking a pair

7 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:00:47pm

Repost from below.

Vilsack’s response is a cultural expression of American politics.

Rather than fix the problem- admitting they were wrong, the administration will defend their own stupidity.

Because they are never, ever, wrong. Not the Dems and not the GOP.

Ever.

8 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:00:48pm

How is it that we are more well informed than our own government apparently is? Or do they just not care?

9 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:01:19pm

re: #8 Fozzie Bear

How is it that we are more well informed than our own government apparently is? Or do they just not care?

The latter.

10 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:01:45pm

I call on Obama to over rule the decision, in the spirit of truth and moving forward on a multi racial basis. Hire her back. Or give her another job of similar authority.

11 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:02:13pm

Have all the wheels of the bus successfully traversed the body yet?

12 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:02:23pm

re: #8 Fozzie Bear

How is it that we are more well informed than our own government apparently is? Or do they just not care?

To be fair, they probably do have more important things they need to be worrying about.

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:02:25pm

He is indicating that the decision was made at a lower level and that he is loath to overturn it for fear of weakening his organization. It is a lose/lose situation either way, he has chosen this path to loserdom.

I suspect that there will be more said about this in coming days, but this was his appointed task, and his chance to step out of the loop.

14 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:02:48pm

I just wrote the following email to Obama:

Mr. Obama,

I cannot believe that your Secretary of Agriculture is refusing to stand up for Shirley Sherrod. Having watched the (edited) video and then done the due diligence of digging into context, a few things are clear:

A) Sherrod did not take that action as a member of the USDA

B) She learned from the experience, learned to overcome any latent racism in her own heart

C) She still helped the couple, to the extent that they are willing to speak up for her now.

D) Andrew Breitbart is now able to lead the US around by the nose.

This is McCarthyism all over again, and if you cannot protect a woman giving a speech on race that talks about lessons learned and how she overcame her own prejudice, I have no use for you and will not be able to support you or any Democrat in the near future.

What is the point, if you’ll just cave to McCarthyist tactics?

15 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:02:52pm

Vilsack then added, “”My cat’s breath smells like cat food.”

16 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:03:43pm

re: #1 Fozzie Bear

Following the press conference, Tom Vilsack began to eat paste. He was later quoted as saying “sometimes i go poopy in my pants”, in response to criticism.

Fucking morons.

Hilarious!
Thanks for making me laugh at teh stoopid.

17 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:03:51pm

Oh dear G-d, this is CYA from him. It is nothing more or nothing less. It is a pre-emptive strike against any blame that might come to him for being a bad manager. Did you notice the “sly” way he invokes a directive to clean up a mess and say - “see boss I did what you wanted, you can’t blame me!” Of course, little things like truth of fairness don’t even come into play.

And Fox wins by turning the house of its foe upon itself. Such cowardice should be grounds for termination in of itself. There are real foes out there in thee form af a virulent, radicalized and evil far right wing. They will tear down everything we hold dear, and the people who should be the good guys are holding their putzs.

18 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:04:32pm

Hmmmm, I wonder if the folks who work for the USDA who refused the help to black farmers are still working there even after the lawsuit Sherrod helped win?

19 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:05:12pm

re: #14 Obdicut

I just wrote the following email to Obama

You’ll soon be getting a nice return missive asking to donate to the 2010 and 2012 election cycles!

20 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:05:35pm

After the shit with MMS CYA is all he knows how to do anymore.

21 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:05:44pm

Why the hell is nobody talking about Andrew Breitbart’s culpability in this? On CNN Rick Sanchez has been covering the story for hours, and he hasn’t mentioned Breitbart once!

This is like a Twilight Zone episode.

22 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:06:06pm

This has got “CYA” all written over it. USDA’s been gettin’ heat for awhile from farmers accusing it of racism and Breitbart’s video, even badly edited as it so obviously is, will be used as “proof” of those accusations. So they Vilsack has to seem like he’s really “doing something” about the accusations by refusing to give the appearance of covering for Sherrod.

23 Soap_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:06:48pm

This reminds me of a West Wing episode. Sam, the president’s speechwriter, convinces a friend to run for office and promises the White House will be behind him. A story is published that the candidate was in an all-white frat in college, implying he is a racist. Sam, who went to the same college, said that since there was a few all-black frats, many other frats tended to be all white. Not by choice, but by circumstance.

The White House decided to not stand behind the guy, because they figured it wasn’t worth the headache and was a distraction to other mid-term races. They basically issued a no comment.

Sam: “Well, he’s a racist now.”

Chief of Staff (Leo): “No, he isn’t.”

Sam: “Sure he is. The White House just said so.”

24 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:06:53pm

re: #21 Charles

Why the hell is nobody talking about Andrew Breitbart’s culpability in this? On CNN Rick Sanchez has been covering the story for hours, and he hasn’t mentioned Breitbart once!

This is like a Twilight Zone episode.

Because nobody knows who he is. He’s a puppetmaster and he likes it that way.

25 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:07:35pm

Ben Jealous’s latest Tweet:

Ben Jealous and NAACP calling Sherod now.

From 1:13 PM (my time zone? which is MT)

I hope he has something better to say to her than Vilsack did. (He did have enough characters to spell her name right…)

26 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:07:58pm

re: #21 Charles

Why the hell is nobody talking about Andrew Breitbart’s culpability in this? On CNN Rick Sanchez has been covering the story for hours, and he hasn’t mentioned Breitbart once!

This is like a Twilight Zone episode.

Remember Rathergate and how, initially, the MSM was loathe to do more than note that the controversy started with CBS, avoiding naming Rather as being the guy who’d pushed the bullshit forward from the word “Go”?

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:08:18pm

re: #24 Conservative Moonbat

Because nobody knows who he is. He’s a puppetmaster and he likes it that way.


And they do not want to admit the extent to which this story was invented and then played out.

28 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:08:36pm

re: #21 Charles

Why the hell is nobody talking about Andrew Breitbart’s culpability in this? On CNN Rick Sanchez has been covering the story for hours, and he hasn’t mentioned Breitbart once!

This is like a Twilight Zone episode.

Why would they? Breitbart doesn’t drive ratings, Obama and controversy does.

After all, deep down, the news media is grateful for something new to cover.

*sigh*

as a random PSA aside, if you live in Georgia, make sure you vote in the primary today!

29 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:08:38pm

re: #21 Charles

Why the hell is nobody talking about Andrew Breitbart’s culpability in this? On CNN Rick Sanchez has been covering the story for hours, and he hasn’t mentioned Breitbart once!

This is like a Twilight Zone episode.

So. Fucked. Up.

The American media would serve us all better were it to completely cease to exist.

Obama, please turn the internet off now. We were better off without it.

30 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:10:09pm

re: #28 bloodstar

as a random PSA aside, if you live in Georgia, make sure you vote in the primary today!

was there at 8:30 a.m

“light turnout” is an understatement, btw

31 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:10:32pm

re: #23 Soap_Man

That is exactly how it works. At The White House, in Congress and every state capitol around the country. Damn shame, but its true.

32 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:10:53pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

So. Fucked. Up.

The American media would serve us all better were it to completely cease to exist.

Obama, please turn the internet off now. We were better off without it.

That’s going a bit far, don’t you think?

I would suffer severe withdrawal…

33 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:11:04pm

I submit every elected/appointed official in DC be subjected to 3 weeks of LGF commenters. I further submit that LGF commenters, regardless of political affiliation, beat the living crap out these representatives and officials and introduce them to the people they work for.

If Vilsack were my employee, he’d already have been shown the door. I don’t give a crap about his bullshit justifications. I do care that he’s not doing the right thing, standing by his own ineptitude and telling the American people- HIS BOSSES- that he knows best and that we don’t really understand the difference between right and wrong.

What a pity we are all have to pay this assholes pension someday.

34 Soap_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:12:06pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

That’s going a bit far, don’t you think?

I would suffer severe withdrawal…

Seriously, where would I find funny cats and their misspelled thoughts?

35 jc717  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:12:19pm

What a joke. Quick, someone raise some controversy over Vilsack so that he has to resign.

36 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:13:04pm

re: #35 jc717

What a joke. Quick, someone raise some controversy over Vilsack so that he has to resign.

All we need is a piece of video tape and some editing ability…

37 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:13:23pm

OMW to go have gay sex with Vilsack. Somebody hold the camera.

I’m not even a little bit gay, but this is for my country!

38 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:13:40pm

re: #34 Soap_Man

Seriously, where would I find funny cats and their misspelled thoughts?

Not to mention, we’d have to resort to porn in a plain brown paper bag!

39 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:14:00pm

re: #30 sattv4u2


as a random PSA aside, if you live in Georgia, make sure you vote in the primary today!

was there at 8:30 a.m

“light turnout” is an understatement, btw

Yeah, I asked our pricinct about the turn out and they said they’d had about 80 votes so far around 12:30.

the light turn out is going to make those governor races really interesting

40 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:14:08pm

re: #33 researchok

And that applies to elected/appointed official in DC of both parties.

41 polkadot  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:14:21pm

Vilsack is covering his ass.
He is afraid of lawsuits because anyone who deals with her now can/will say that she wouldn’t help them because they were white.

42 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:14:46pm

re: #33 researchok

If Vilsack were my employee, he’d already have been shown the door. I don’t give a crap about his bullshit justifications. I do care that he’s not doing the right thing, standing by his own ineptitude and telling the American people- HIS BOSSES- that he knows best and that we don’t really understand the difference between right and wrong.
.

The thing is that people actually like when you are willing to man up and say “wow, I/we made a mistake by not taking a day to see what this story was about I take full responsibility for the fuck up…we will do better next time”.

I thought that was the lesson learned from the Tylenol incident.

43 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:14:58pm

re: #41 polkadot

Vilsack is covering his ass.
He is afraid of lawsuits because anyone who deals with her now can/will say that she wouldn’t help them because they were white.

Except for the people involved in this saying she did help them.

44 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:15:09pm

re: #42 webevintage

The thing is that people actually like when you are willing to man up and say “wow, I/we made a mistake by not taking a day to see what this story was about I take full responsibility for the fuck up…we will do better next time”.

I thought that was the lesson learned from the Tylenol incident.

EXACTLY

45 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:15:10pm

re: #39 bloodstar

Yeah, I asked our pricinct about the turn out and they said they’d had about 80 votes so far around 12:30.

the light turn out is going to make those governor races really interesting

He(she) that has the largest number of adult family members wins!

46 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:15:34pm

re: #41 polkadot

Vilsack is covering his ass.
He is afraid of lawsuits because anyone who deals with her now can/will say that she wouldn’t help them because they were white.

And they would be wrong - just like you.
Moron.

47 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:15:55pm

Well, we can always count on the lib-left lamestream media to rescue Sherrod and set things right. I’ll bet the mighty Olbermann is preparing a screed as we speak. Breitbart, Limbaugh et al will be smashed like bugs on a windshield and sent scurrying back to late-night local radio where they belong.
/

If nothing else, this illustrates the enormous change in the dynamics of national media over the last few years. The far right is in the driver’s seat today as much as Cronkite and friends were 40 years ago. The rightwing media are far, far more openly partisan in their appeals, however, and less scrupulous in advancing their agenda.

48 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:15:57pm

re: #27 ralphieboy

And they do not want to admit the extent to which this story was invented and then played out.

Right, if FOX will never admit their culpability in pushing both this and the bullshit DOJ / New Black Panther story, because their agenda is racist, treasonous, slithering evil.

49 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:17:42pm

I just realized that, here we are, part of the problem.

I have decided to withhold judgment on all involved parties (except Breitbart, the fuckbag) for 24 hours or so. If they don’t take steps to remedy this by then, THEN i’ll get angry.

Until then, I will do my best to just let things unfold.

50 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:17:54pm

Shirley Sherrod’s father was murdered by the Ku Klux Klan. No one was ever tried.

51 Soap_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:18:45pm

re: #50 Charles

Shirley Sherrod’s father was murdered by the Ku Klux Klan. No one was ever tried.

Woah.

52 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:18:45pm

re: #50 Charles

Shirley Sherrod’s father was murdered by the Ku Klux Klan. No one was ever tried.

Holy sh*t.

53 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:19:16pm

re: #50 Charles

Shirley Sherrod’s father was murdered by the Ku Klux Klan. No one was ever tried.

Damn.

54 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:19:16pm

OMG.

Are you serious?

55 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:19:48pm

Unless and until the establishment and the grasstops (like Breitbart, who is just a Movement Conservative with $$$ and a camera) stop cutting deals, in both political parties, it is very unlikely we will see a change.

Attribution and daylight are the only answers. Breitbart is a perfect example of why expenditure reports matter, why credentialed press are critical. He has no verifiable ties to a specific organization therefore, he isn’t being held accountable and the WH Press Office, Vilsack, et al can dump on folks like Sherrod and all of us regular folk.

Accountability is like chemotherapy: NECESSARY.

56 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:19:51pm

CNN has the farmers on…

57 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:19:52pm
New Registration: noppy123

Second “noppy”-something to register today….

58 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:20:02pm

The farmer and his wife in the Sherrod affair will be on CNN in a few minutes

59 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:20:18pm

re: #50 Charles

horrible.

60 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:20:30pm

re: #41 polkadot

Vilsack is covering his ass.
He is afraid of lawsuits because anyone who deals with her now can/will say that she wouldn’t help them because they were white.


I think it’s poorly phrased, but Vils*ck’s point is that her position is now so completely compromised by this mess that she would not be able to do her job effectively. That is the way things work with large bureaucracies, both public and private.

I hope this is not the last word on the subject, and that Vealsack has just spoken his part and is now stepping aside to let others deal with it.

61 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:20:31pm

re: #49 Fozzie Bear

I just realized that, here we are, part of the problem.

I have decided to withhold judgment on all involved parties (except Breitbart, the fuckbag) for 24 hours or so. If they don’t take steps to remedy this by then, THEN i’ll get angry.

Until then, I will do my best to just let things unfold.

The “remedy” of the situation should have been the WH NOT calling for her resignation until after 24 hours so THEY could make a reasoned judgement with FACTS

62 greygandalf  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:20:43pm

re: #58 researchok

The farmer and his wife in the Sherrod affair will be on CNN in a few minutes

Someone said the farmer was dead. I guess that was wrong.

63 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:21:11pm

re: #62 greygandalf

Someone said the farmer was dead. I guess that was wrong.

he got better !

64 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:21:16pm

Just called my senators to express my outrage.

Do this, folks.

It is the only way to really get something going here. Call your reps and senators.

65 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:21:22pm

re: #62 greygandalf

Someone said the farmer was dead. I guess that was wrong.

His widow already spoke in support of Sherrod.

66 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:21:42pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

Second “noppy”-something to register today…

The Correlator beeped on the first one, and this one too. I suspect it’s a troll, but I think I’ll wait and see.

67 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:21:56pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

His widow already spoke in support of Sherrod.

She is not a widow.

68 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:22:01pm

Blowback time!

Maybe more of a backfire.

69 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:22:17pm

Well, if that was the guy they just showed on CNN, he’s definitely not dead.

70 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:22:28pm

They are on now, CNN

71 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:22:30pm

re: #66 Charles

The Correlator beeped on the first one, and this one too. I suspect it’s a troll, but I think I’ll wait and see.

can we keep em for awhile ,, can we,, please,,,,please please please~!!

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:22:36pm

re: #67 Buck

She is not a widow.


There are people working on it as we speak…

73 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:23:14pm

OT: The senate finally broke the filibuster on unemployment benefit extensions. Benefits will be extended, and retroactively.

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75 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:23:39pm

Sherrod calling in to CNN now.

76 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:23:55pm

When I first saw the story on FoxNews’ website, I immediately thought “Bullshit!”. When I read about it here, it further confirmed my initial thoughts.

I hoped Secretary Vilsack would have admitted they may have been wrong to fire Sherrod without gathering all of the facts, but it looks like I hoped wrong.

I hope Sherrod gets a good lawyer and railroads Breitbart for slander/libel (I can’t remember which would be applicable here as they always confuse me) and I hope the NAACP would stand by her when she files the suit.

The facts have came out and the one that should be burned by the heat the most should be Breitbart, with the Department of Agriculture also catching some flak for the knee-jerk reaction.

This whole thing is just disgusting. The sooner Breitbart disappears from the conservative consciousness, the sooner everyone can start to getting back to the real issues, like fixing the economy and finishing the jobs overseas, among other necessary items. But with the GOP ass-hurt over loosing power, they are doing everything possible to sabotage this administration to try to regain the power by shifting the blame to Obama/Democrats for the country’s continuing problems, hoping Joe Public is stupid enough to buy it. Sadly, it seems like it’s working, as these “scandals” are distracting everyone from the above issues.

77 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:23:58pm

Attention all Lizards.

I am utterly fed up with the world as it is now.

I can not stand the people we have in government or most of the mouth breathing troglodytes who are my fellow citizens in a nation I see spiraling into madness on the one side and weak cowardice on the other.

Honestly there really isn’t a lot of hope.

I have a solution however.

Antarctica is largely unclaimed. It will be nice and temperate in a few short decades. We will be able to grow crops there. This will particularly possible with fission reactors and hydroponics.

I propose the founding of a new state. It will be based on the principles of scientific rule. In fact, the guiding principle will be rule of the intelligent who have proven themselves as caring for society. We will only invite intelligent people, artists, musicians, scientists, engineers, medical doctors, the odd lawyer and enlightened clergy, the guys who make games for bioware and lucas arts, some master brewers from Belgium and Ireland, some people who know how to make good whiskey and the Sweedish Bikini team to be citizens.

We strictly bother no one as a rule.

Government will be strictly democratic in terms of election of a dictator (in the old sense of the word) and an advisory board composed of specialists who are constrained by a constitution to protect the individual rights of the populace. The specialist advisory boards shall have direct authority over their specialties. There will be a medical board, a safety board, a defense directorate and a science and policy board.

Voting for the dictator and the various directorates, will be permitted to those who work for the community. Since the community will rely on the maintenance and continued development of technologies, there will be plenty of work. If one does not do community service, there will be no penalty save the ability to vote.

Those who show signs of being overly Republican once there, will be airlifted to Texas free of charge.

Megawatt lasers in auto turrets around the perimeter will keep out the riff raff. This will become needed when the various current world rulers come t take what we have built for themselves. Short form, I know how to build those things, and I could likely learn to run the reactors. I certainly know plenty of others who could actually make this happen from a know how base.

We then tap into the satellite news, and the rest of the world becomes comedy rather than tragedy.

78 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:23:59pm

re: #50 Charles

Shirley Sherrod’s father was murdered by the Ku Klux Klan. No one was ever tried.

You know, at this point, anyone who thinks that she is unjustified in how she thought 20 some-odd years can go fuck themselves.

She did her job, she did what she was supposed to do, and she learned go grow past having her father murdered by a bunch of racists.

To take what she’s gone through, how she was trying to take her weakness and her pain, and turn it into a moment to teach and show her audience that no one is perfect but we can grow past it. and to have it used to screw her over.

She may not be a saint, but she sure as hell doesn’t deserve this.

79 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:24:13pm

re: #73 Fozzie Bear

OT: The senate finally broke the filibuster on unemployment benefit extensions. Benefits will be extended, and retroactively.

Obama spoke and made his point, the Reps realized that they were screwing up on this account and relented.

See? He can preside.

80 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:24:39pm

re: #69 Charles

Well, if that was the guy they just showed on CNN, he’s definitely not dead.

Well, he could be a democrat.
///

81 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:24:44pm

re: #21 Charles

Why the hell is nobody talking about Andrew Breitbart’s culpability in this? On CNN Rick Sanchez has been covering the story for hours, and he hasn’t mentioned Breitbart once!

This is like a Twilight Zone episode.

Because the story can now be targeted at Obama. It will sell more. The system is so corrupt that lying pays.

82 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:24:59pm

Rick Sanchez is goddamned ridiculous.

83 polkadot  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:25:10pm

re: #46 Ericus58

I didn’t say it was right.
Name calling is the last refuge for losers btw.

84 brennant  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:25:27pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

Rick Sanchez is goddamned ridiculous.

He’s dirty.

85 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:26:23pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Attention all Lizards.

I am utterly fed up with the world as it is now.

I can not stand the people we have in government or most of the mouth breathing troglodytes who are my fellow citizens in a nation I see spiraling into madness on the one side and weak cowardice on the other.

Honestly there really isn’t a lot of hope.

I have a solution however.

Antarctica is largely unclaimed. It will be nice and temperate in a few short decades. We will be able to grow crops there. This will particularly possible with fission reactors and hydroponics.

I propose the founding of a new state. It will be based on the principles of scientific rule. In fact, the guiding principle will be rule of the intelligent who have proven themselves as caring for society. We will only invite intelligent people, artists, musicians, scientists, engineers, medical doctors, the odd lawyer and enlightened clergy, the guys who make games for bioware and lucas arts, some master brewers from Belgium and Ireland, some people who know how to make good whiskey and the Sweedish Bikini team to be citizens.

We strictly bother no one as a rule.

Government will be strictly democratic in terms of election of a dictator (in the old sense of the word) and an advisory board composed of specialists who are constrained by a constitution to protect the individual rights of the populace. The specialist advisory boards shall have direct authority over their specialties. There will be a medical board, a safety board, a defense directorate and a science and policy board.

Voting for the dictator and the various directorates, will be permitted to those who work for the community. Since the community will rely on the maintenance and continued development of technologies, there will be plenty of work. If one does not do community service, there will be no penalty save the ability to vote.

Those who show signs of being overly Republican once there, will be airlifted to Texas free of charge.

Megawatt lasers in auto turrets around the perimeter will keep out the riff raff. This will become needed when the various current world rulers come t take what we have built for themselves. Short form, I know how to build those things, and I could likely learn to run the reactors. I certainly know plenty of others who could actually make this happen from a know how base.

We then tap into the satellite news, and the rest of the world becomes comedy rather than tragedy.

I’m down with that. I have military experience as well as civilian experience in both the physical and information security fields, where do I sign up?

86 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:26:43pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

I’ll pack my mukluks.

Let’s mush forth!!!!!!

87 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:26:46pm

hahahahahaha
She just called FOX and AB and the Tea Party people racist on CNN…
snort
brawhahahahahaha

88 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:26:46pm

Now I am sure the last workds have not been spoken on Ms Sherrod. They are gonna come out swinging on this one, and I hope the message will be a positive one: that racism can be overcome, even by victims of its most extreme expression.

89 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:27:34pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m down with that. I have military experience as well as civilian experience in both the physical and information security fields, where do I sign up?

You just did. We shall call it the Republic of Remulak.

90 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:27:39pm

re: #73 Fozzie Bear

OT: The senate finally broke the filibuster on unemployment benefit extensions. Benefits will be extended, and retroactively.

Finally some fucking good news.

I am getting madder by the moment about Sherrod. Fucking insane, this is. Disgraceful. I can hardly contain myself.

Fuck all these racists that have reared their heads. Fuck Beck, fuck Rush, fuck the GOP’s enabling of so much racism. This is getting worse, day by fucking day.

The Democrats may be spineless on this at the moment, but Brietbart is fucking evil. Fox news and their race-baiting on the black panther bullshit is evil. All of those who enabled O’Keefe’s lies out of expediency and race-baiting politics are evil.

We are a melting pot. This is tearing our nation up. This is a betrayal of what America is.

91 Soap_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:27:58pm

re: #87 webevintage

hahahahahaha
She just called FOX and AB and the Tea Party people racist on CNN…
snort
brawhahahahahaha

Who did? The farmer’s wife or Sherrod? (Not by a TV)

92 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:28:14pm

These old folks are awesome…
Please god let the farmer call this all a bunch of BS on TV….

93 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:28:29pm

Sherrod just said the people who edited the tape and used it destroy her job are racists.

She’s absolutely right. The entire motivation for this was to retaliate for the NAACP resolution — Breitbart was completely open about that. And his post about it was full of ugly race-baiting.

Racism. In your face, people.

Meanwhile, the white farmers are praising her to the hills.

94 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:28:59pm

The farmer and his wife are really coming out for Shirley on CNN.

95 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:29:03pm

re: #91 Soap_Man

Who did? The farmer’s wife or Sherrod? (Not by a TV)

Sherrod….when asked why “they” (FOX/AB) would put out the tape the way they did.

96 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:29:09pm

Charles. Video here you might be interested in. Has the phone call from the wife.

Media Matters Video
97 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:29:21pm

Sherrod is right to single out Fox News.

They should never have aired the segments without having seen the whole tape.

They also owe everyone a mea culpa.

Like the CNN/Eason Jordan/Iraq business, there is no excuse for this kind of journalism. None.

98 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:29:25pm

re: #83 polkadot

I didn’t say it was right.
Name calling is the last refuge for losers btw.

Well, pucker up Butter cup.
If you came to dance, I’m your Huckleberry.

99 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:29:46pm

re: #50 Charles

Shirley Sherrod’s father was murdered by the Ku Klux Klan. No one was ever tried.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why she had such a bad relationship with whites (if I understand the situation correctly). Hell, I would look at whites like that if I was her. The fact that she put her prejudices aside and helped the farmers, that speaks volume to me (in a good way). I imagine that would be hard to her to deal with as she grew up. She should be praised as an example of overcoming one’s own prejudices to better her fellow human, regardless of one’s skin color.

100 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:30:18pm

Roger Spooner is fucking awesome!

101 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:30:22pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

So. Fucked. Up.

The American media would serve us all better were it to completely cease to exist.

Obama, please turn the internet off now. We were better off without it.

What about the Daily Show and the Colbert report?

102 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:30:32pm

re: #64 Obdicut

Just called my senators to express my outrage.

Do this, folks.

It is the only way to really get something going here. Call your reps and senators.

I just called one of my senators. Thanks for the prod.

103 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:30:33pm

re: #92 webevintage

These old folks are awesome…
Please god let the farmer call this all a bunch of BS on TV…

They are just wonderful, too bad they are probably Commies /

104 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:30:41pm

Husband is still alive. 87 years old. Driving a Peterbilt “this morning.”

On CNN, wife of farmer says former USDA official is a “friend” who “helped us save our farm”

105 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:30:44pm

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

You just did. We shall call it the Republic of Remulak.

On that note, I have long considered that the world has not seen the founding of a genuine novelty in political systems for about a century now. Typically a real innovation comes along about once a century that creates or significantly alters a major world nation. We’re about due.

106 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:30:57pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Sounds cool to me. Can I join in on that? I don’t know a whole lot, but dammit, I’m willing to learn to better my fellow human :) .

107 noppy123  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:31:01pm

By ll ccnts s fr, frm wht hv sn nd rd, hr rmrks r rcst n ntr. f th sh ws n th thr ft, y lbs wld b shtng t th hgh hvns tht ths s rcsm. Y lftsts r sch hypcrts.

108 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:31:06pm

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

You just did. We shall call it the Republic of Remulak.

If America is lost, it’ll be lost with me standing fighting for it. I won’t be moved by racist cowards. Lines in the sand.

109 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:31:21pm

re: #107 noppy123

STFU.

110 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:31:30pm

I think I love Sherrod. She’s a tough old lady. And a good person.

111 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:31:35pm

re: #107 noppy123

I knew it.

112 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:32:05pm

re: #104 Gus 802

Husband is still alive. 87 years old. Driving a Peterbilt “this morning.”

On CNN, wife of farmer says former USDA official is a “friend” who “helped us save our farm”

The goodness of those people is why I believe the fight is not yet lost by any measure.

113 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:32:19pm

re: #108 Obdicut

If America is lost, it’ll be lost with me standing fighting for it. I won’t be moved by racist cowards. Lines in the sand.

The racist cowards will only make it more unpleasant as the climate destroys this nation.

114 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:32:21pm

re: #107 noppy123

By ll ccnts s fr, frm wht hv sn nd rd, hr rmrks r rcst n ntr. f th sh ws n th thr ft, y lbs wld b shtng t th hgh hvns tht ths s rcsm. Y lftsts r sch hypcrts.

FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU

*ehem*

115 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:32:44pm

“She helped us, so we want to help her” (farmer and wife)

116 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:33:06pm

re: #111 Charles

I knew it.

There will be a ton of those. How repugnant.

117 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:33:10pm

The WH is chiming in, denying pressure.

Sherrod is challenging that statement.

118 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:33:13pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Attention all Lizards.

I am utterly fed up with the world as it is now.

I can not stand the people we have in government or most of the mouth breathing troglodytes who are my fellow citizens in a nation I see spiraling into madness on the one side and weak cowardice on the other.

Honestly there really isn’t a lot of hope.

I have a solution however.

Antarctica is largely unclaimed. It will be nice and temperate in a few short decades. We will be able to grow crops there. This will particularly possible with fission reactors and hydroponics.

I propose the founding of a new state. It will be based on the principles of scientific rule. In fact, the guiding principle will be rule of the intelligent who have proven themselves as caring for society. We will only invite intelligent people, artists, musicians, scientists, engineers, medical doctors, the odd lawyer and enlightened clergy, the guys who make games for bioware and lucas arts, some master brewers from Belgium and Ireland, some people who know how to make good whiskey and the Sweedish Bikini team to be citizens.

We strictly bother no one as a rule.

Government will be strictly democratic in terms of election of a dictator (in the old sense of the word) and an advisory board composed of specialists who are constrained by a constitution to protect the individual rights of the populace. The specialist advisory boards shall have direct authority over their specialties. There will be a medical board, a safety board, a defense directorate and a science and policy board.

Voting for the dictator and the various directorates, will be permitted to those who work for the community. Since the community will rely on the maintenance and continued development of technologies, there will be plenty of work. If one does not do community service, there will be no penalty save the ability to vote.

Those who show signs of being overly Republican once there, will be airlifted to Texas free of charge.

Megawatt lasers in auto turrets around the perimeter will keep out the riff raff. This will become needed when the various current world rulers come t take what we have built for themselves. Short form, I know how to build those things, and I could likely learn to run the reactors. I certainly know plenty of others who could actually make this happen from a know how base.

We then tap into the satellite news, and the rest of the world becomes comedy rather than tragedy.


The line “Government will be strictly democratic in terms of election of a dictator (in the old sense of the word)” reminds me of how in Discworld there’s only one leader who elected to his position, and that position is called “The Tyrant”

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:33:15pm

re: #107 noppy123

By ll ccnts s fr, frm wht hv sn nd rd, hr rmrks r rcst n ntr. f th sh ws n th thr ft, y lbs wld b shtng t th hgh hvns tht ths s rcsm. Y lftsts r sch hypcrts.


What have you seen and read so far?

The point, again, is that her remarks were taken out of context, that is the whole controversy behind this.

She was speaking in nuances about her own shortcomings and her own personal growth. But nuances like that can cost you your career when they are ripped out of context and turned against you.

Please look deeper into her speech and her message before coming to any conclusions.

120 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:33:19pm

re: #107 noppy123

By ll ccnts s fr, frm wht hv sn nd rd, hr rmrks r rcst n ntr. f th sh ws n th thr ft, y lbs wld b shtng t th hgh hvns tht ths s rcsm. Y lftsts r sch hypcrts.

What accounts are those? The ones being discredited as we speak or the ones in your mind?

121 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:33:47pm

re: #112 Obdicut

The goodness of those people is why I believe the fight is not yet lost by any measure.

Yep, you could not pick a better couple to stand up for her.

122 freetoken  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:33:55pm

re: #111 Charles

These posts are like fly paper.

Speaking of attracting bugs, now that Graham has voted for Kagan and thus she is assured of getting seated, the calls of “RINO” are going to be louder than ever. Graham should probably up his body guard.

123 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:34:13pm

re: #105 Renaissance_Man

On that note, I have long considered that the world has not seen the founding of a genuine novelty in political systems for about a century now. Typically a real innovation comes along about once a century that creates or significantly alters a major world nation. We’re about due.

Yes a government system designed to promote rule of the intelligent and socially motivated. Go figure.

124 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:34:18pm

And now Vilsack is justifying accepting the resignation.

125 freetoken  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:35:01pm

re: #119 ralphieboy

The honesty of people who speak of their own backgrounds in reflection is not honored by the hate-wing in American politics.

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:35:02pm

re: #118 jamesfirecat

The line “Government will be strictly democratic in terms of election of a dictator (in the old sense of the word)” reminds me of how in Discworld there’s only one leader who elected to his position, and that position is called “The Tyrant”

It’s an admittedly Athenian idea tweaked with some Hobbes, Locke and Heinlein.

127 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:35:28pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Sometimes we win the fight and sometimes we lose. I’m not entirely surprised at the USDA’s decision. Any hint, any tiny little smell of controversy and they’ll run the other way. This is no different than any employer, government or private. I’ve worked in big business long enough to know that.

What I find more frightening that any bonehead like Breitbart can twist about someone’s statements and make them lose their job for some perceived act that never happened.

My feeling is that Sherrod will land on her feet. How do I know? I don’t, but often times these things work out as a blessing. In the least, I pray for that for her. That she quickly finds another jobs she loves even more.

128 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:35:43pm

The Obama administration better fix this, my unicorn is kicking out the side of the barn as we speak.

129 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:36:07pm

re: #127 marjoriemoon

Someone light the Oprah Signal.

130 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:36:16pm

Gee, who should we believe?

Tap dancing politicians or Shirley Sherrod?

Well, all we have to do is compare their records.

131 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:36:17pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

It’s an admittedly Athenian idea tweaked with some Hobbes, Locke and Heinlein.

Very in line with Locke philosophy.

132 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:36:27pm

An unnamed White House official just threw Vilsack under the bus, read the last line in this Mediaite piece.

Chickensh!t bastards. Go on the record, or STFU. Glad that the farmer & his wife are supporting Sherrod.

133 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:36:31pm

re: #128 avanti

The Obama administration better fix this, my unicorn is kicking out the side of the barn as we speak.

Indeed. My unicorn hasn’t farted a single rainbow in weeks. I’m extremely disappointed.

134 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:36:45pm

re: #123 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes a government system designed to promote rule of the intelligent and socially motivated. Go figure.

I suggest a right to vote that is earned, a la Heinlein. Failing that, if voting is not earned, then it must be compulsory.

135 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:37:23pm

re: #128 avanti

At least the unemployment insurance just got fixed.

It is good to remember, as Charles keeps pointing this out: This didn’t all happen because of the Obama adminsitration. Or even the USDA.

This happened because Brietbart cynically, coldly, and cooly race-baited.

And it’s happening in an atmosphere where race-baiting is defended and coddled.

136 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:37:44pm

re: #107 noppy123

Me? A leftist? Ha ha ha!

Go kiss Limbaugh’s arse, you illiterate poltroon.

137 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:38:30pm

re: #132 Ebetty

An unnamed White House official just threw Vilsack under the bus, read the last line in this Mediaite piece.

Chickensh!t bastards. Go on the record, or STFU. Glad that the farmer & his wife are supporting Sherrod.

At what point does the fact that the supposed victims in this have relevance? So Breitbart wins, even when he loses. She has lost her job.

138 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:38:45pm

re: #132 Ebetty

An unnamed White House official just threw Vilsack under the bus, read the last line in this Mediaite piece.

Chickensh!t bastards. Go on the record, or STFU. Glad that the farmer & his wife are supporting Sherrod.

Bullshit.

I believe Sherrod. She has a record of integrity.

139 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:39:21pm

Shakespalin - a bard with lipstick.

I love it when people with talent do photoshop.

140 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:39:32pm

re: #107 noppy123

By ll ccnts s fr, frm wht hv sn nd rd, hr rmrks r rcst n ntr. f th sh ws n th thr ft, y lbs wld b shtng t th hgh hvns tht ths s rcsm. Y lftsts r sch hypcrts.

CTHULHU!

141 elizajane  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:39:33pm

Charles, where did the story about Sherrod’s father and the KKK come from? I’d like to be able to quote it. Did she talk about that, or did somebody else?

142 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:40:08pm

re: #133 Fozzie Bear

Indeed. My unicorn hasn’t farted a single rainbow in weeks. I’m extremely disappointed.

Now that the WH is dead in the middle of this, they’d better act, or I’ll be very disappointed. It’s bad enough the loons make up this crap, but to to not call them out is nearly as bad.

143 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:40:36pm

Actually — there’s a distinction here. Sherrod’s superior at the USDA told her that the White House was asking for her resignation. The superior may have been stretching the truth to get Sherrod to comply right away and resign.

144 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:40:37pm

re: #134 Renaissance_Man

I suggest a right to vote that is earned, a la Heinlein. Failing that, if voting is not earned, then it must be compulsory.

That is precisely what I meant by the community service and no right to vote without it. I think that was one of Heinlein’s most intriguing ideas. Voting is exercising coercion on your society. That is a privledge that must be earned through service, not abused as a right by those who only care for themselves.

145 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:40:44pm

re: #138 researchok

Yes, she does. WH staff, Vilsack, and Breitbart all deserve to be in a very small room together forever a la Sartre.

146 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:40:49pm

re: #133 Fozzie Bear

Indeed. My unicorn hasn’t farted a single rainbow in weeks. I’m extremely disappointed.

Hmm. I’m opposed to Unicorn emissions.

147 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:40:52pm

re: #141 elizajane

Charles, where did the story about Sherrod’s father and the KKK come from? I’d like to be able to quote it. Did she talk about that, or did somebody else?

It was reported on CNN.

148 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:41:04pm

re: #41 polkadot

Vilsack is covering his ass.
He is afraid of lawsuits because anyone who deals with her now can/will say that she wouldn’t help them because they were white.

They can say that, but it would be on them to prove it. By not defending her, he opens himself and the USDA to lawsuit for wrongful termination.

149 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:41:12pm

This whole fucking mess is so depressing to me, who I once considered myself a Republican. I admired Republican presidents like Abraham Lincoln (despite some of the things he did during the Civil War like suspending certain rights), Teddy Roosevelt (who is just too fucking epic word human speech, to me at least), and Ronald Regan (despite some of his flaws like the Iran-Contra affair), even Bush 43 (again with his flaws with his administration and policies). Such a damn shame that the GOP has descended into such hate. They might as well throw on white sheets and change their party insignia as a burning cross, because they sure as hell ain’t doing a damn thing to dispel that image.

I want to say “Stop! Get me the fuck off of this world!” but I’m not too sure the other world is better than this.

150 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:41:22pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

It’s an admittedly Athenian idea tweaked with some Hobbes, Locke and Heinlein.

I so no real problem with the citizenship rules outlined by Heinlein in Starship Troopers, (and thats ignoring all the crap the movie tried to make out of it)

151 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:41:24pm

Now it is all Glenn Becks fault….

Pressure from Glenn Beck caused them to fire her.

I look forward to seeing the whole tape.

152 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:41:46pm

re: #141 elizajane

Charles, where did the story about Sherrod’s father and the KKK come from? I’d like to be able to quote it. Did she talk about that, or did somebody else?

Killed by a white farmer that was not indited.

153 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:42:21pm

re: #151 Buck

Now it is all Glenn Becks fault…

Pressure from Glenn Beck caused them to fire her.

I look forward to seeing the whole tape.

The company who shot the video have already said that it backs up Sherrod’s story.

154 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:42:28pm

re: #137 Amory Blaine

Breitbart’s racism cost this woman her job. I don’t know how but he should be forced to pay whatever pension she would have received for her honorable service. Whole thing makes me sick.

155 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:43:04pm

re: #143 Charles

Actually — there’s a distinction here. Sherrod’s superior at the USDA told her that the White House was asking for her resignation. The superior may have been stretching the truth to get Sherrod to comply right away and resign.

I don’t believe the superior would have invoked WH pressure it weren’t true. The Superior had to know Sherrod would approach the media, seek legal remedy, etc.

Remember, this was already news when those calls came.

156 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:43:27pm

re: #152 avanti

Killed by a white farmer that was not indited.

Some people think the “context” of the 50s and 60s is irrelevant. It’s not.

157 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:43:46pm

re: #153 Charles

The company who shot the video have already said that it backs up Sherrod’s story.

Ya, well I would want to confirm it for myself.

158 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:44:08pm

Wow, Miss Shrley is even more of a hero in my eyes now.
Able to move past the fact that a white farmer in the KKK killed her father and never did any time to go one and HELP a white farmer after examining her own issues.
amazing.

159 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:44:21pm

re: #155 researchok

I believe it could happen, definetely.

This is going to shake out over the next days. Now that i’m past my initial rage and have called everyone I can think of, I’m going to wait and see what develops.

160 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:45:19pm

re: #135 Obdicut

At least the unemployment insurance just got fixed.

It is good to remember, as Charles keeps pointing this out: This didn’t all happen because of the Obama adminsitration. Or even the USDA.

This happened because Brietbart cynically, coldly, and cooly race-baited.

And it’s happening in an atmosphere where race-baiting is defended and coddled.

Well, I hope the WH is onto the game now and learns how to fight back effectively because I’m tired of seeing @ssholes win.

Fool me once, same on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

161 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:45:37pm

re: #158 webevintage

Wow, Miss Shrley is even more of a hero in my eyes now.
Able to move past the fact that a white farmer in the KKK killed her father and never did any time to go one and HELP a white farmer after examining her own issues.
amazing.

I hope this is the aspect of the story that gets the most airplay in coming days and not the bickering over who fired her and why.

The other aspect that has to be mentioned is how her words were twisted around and how it cost her her job.

162 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:45:38pm

re: #158 webevintage

Wow, Miss Shrley is even more of a hero in my eyes now.
Able to move past the fact that a white farmer in the KKK killed her father and never did any time to go one and HELP a white farmer after examining her own issues.
amazing.

Yep. They fired a fucking classic American hero. Because of Breitbart. He may as well have gunned down MLK himself, as far as I am concerned.

FUCK YOU BREITBART!!!

163 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:45:52pm

OK, I’m having too much fun. Have to get back to the grind.

Upcoming trip to the slave masters.

164 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:46:22pm

Roland Martin is going to have to eat some crow.

165 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:46:40pm

Of the Jim variety?

166 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:46:50pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I so no real problem with the citizenship rules outlined by Heinlein in Starship Troopers, (and thats ignoring all the crap the movie tried to make out of it)

I would expand those rules beyond military service. If the goal is voting by the responsible ones who cared enough to work for the common good, then that should surely include medical doctors, school teachers, scientists, both defense and prosecuting attorneys etc… who work on public projects. I would even extend it to the people who do x amount of hours helping old people. Many people have many gifts to offer. The point is that they offered and cared.

As a corollary to that, if say an issue comes up with say health care for the elderly, some contingent of the populace will have direct experience with that and actually cast votes with the benefit of knowing the issues, where as the wanks who never helped anyone get to say nothing on the matter. That would force the debate into a much higher plane and yield much closer scrutiny of the government.

167 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:47:27pm

At the very least, the POTUS can ask for a investigation of all the facts of the issue. I get that he knows it may well fan the race issue, but fair is fair.

168 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:47:36pm

Called Senators, Congressman. Left a message on the White House comment line[no phone numbers allowed]. Am dialing up the Radio & TV Correspondents office. Journalists must be pressured to prohibit bad actors like Breitbart from ruining people’s lives.

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:48:34pm

re: #168 Ebetty

Called Senators, Congressman. Left a message on the White House comment line[no phone numbers allowed]. Am dialing up the Radio & TV Correspondents office. Journalists must be pressured to prohibit bad actors like Breitbart from ruining people’s lives.


We cannot pressure them not to be hacks. Only hope is to stop watching their programs.

170 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:48:34pm

re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote

That is precisely what I meant by the community service and no right to vote without it. I think that was one of Heinlein’s most intriguing ideas. Voting is exercising coercion on your society. That is a privledge that must be earned through service, not abused as a right by those who only care for themselves.

The problem most people have with Heinlein’s model and label it a military dictatorship or fascims is they failed to understand 2 key elements. First, nowhere was it stipulated that the service had to be military. In fact, numerous examples were listed of people engaged in research projects, public work crews and other forms of civic duties to fulfill their comittment. Second, the false assumption the military controlled the government. The book made it quite clear that those serving lacked the vote until such a time their service was over and made references to only being allowed to run for political office once they were discharged from their terms of service,

171 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:48:42pm

Roland Martin is digging in his heels.

This woman is totally being railroaded by EVERYBODY. It’s unreal.

172 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:49:33pm

re: #171 Charles

Roland Martin is digging in his heels.

This woman is totally being railroaded by EVERYBODY. It’s unreal.

I think they picked the wrong woman to railroad.

I’m with Sherrod.

I’m making a damn t-shirt.

173 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:49:47pm

re: #167 avanti

At the very least, the POTUS can ask for a investigation of all the facts of the issue. I get that he knows it may well fan the race issue, but fair is fair.

The only move now is to come out and simply state the truth. Just say:

We take charges of racism seriously. We were conned by a dishonest smear job against an innocent woman by those with a racist agenda themselves. We apologize to Ms. Sherrod. WE will be looking into prosecution of those who defamed her.

If Obama does that NOW, he comes out looking like a hero and puts the public eye where it belongs.

If he waivers, he loses.

174 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:49:54pm

Roland Martin likes his cushy job.

175 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:50:11pm

re: #171 Charles

Roland Martin is digging in his heels.

This woman is totally being railroaded by EVERYBODY. It’s unreal.

She sounds like an angry black woman.

/

176 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:50:17pm

Where are you guys watching this? (I don’t have cable)

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:50:20pm

re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


I like Heinlein’s notion that the franchise must somehow be earned. But the whole question of the interface between public/private sector (i.e. military-industrial complex) was glossed over.

178 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:51:45pm

Wow, that whole exchange with Roland was made of awesome…

Fozzie it is on CNN….

179 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:52:00pm

re: #166 LudwigVanQuixote

I would expand those rules beyond military service. If the goal is voting by the responsible ones who cared enough to work for the common good, then that should surely include medical doctors, school teachers, scientists, both defense and prosecuting attorneys etc… who work on public projects. I would even extend it to the people who do x amount of hours helping old people. Many people have many gifts to offer. The point is that they offered and cared.

As a corollary to that, if say an issue comes up with say health care for the elderly, some contingent of the populace will have direct experience with that and actually cast votes with the benefit of knowing the issues, where as the wanks who never helped anyone get to say nothing on the matter. That would force the debate into a much higher plane and yield much closer scrutiny of the government.

See my 170, the book made it clear military service was not the only option. Their is a passage where Rico asks a nurse what happens if someone fails the physical and gets laughed at. The nurse’s reply was that if a blind paraplegic showed up, he would still pass and the goverment was required to find him a place to contribute even if that meant counting caterpillars by touch, since they could not discrimate against anyone wishing to serve.

180 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:52:06pm

Roland Martin just came off like one gigantic asshole.

181 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:52:26pm

re: #164 Charles

Roland Martin is going to have to eat some crow.

Oh GAWD do I hate him. I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with any position he’s taken.

182 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:52:57pm

re: #178 webevintage

:( Oh well, can’t watch then.

183 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:53:08pm

re: #180 Charles

Roland Martin just came off like one gigantic asshole.

I LOVE when normal Americans call pundits on their bullshit….

184 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:53:35pm

re: #182 Fozzie Bear

:( Oh well, can’t watch then.

My blood pressure went down after I got rid of cable.

185 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:53:41pm

Time for a mtg with my old boss. She just called, told her about this Sherrod thing. She’s a hardcore, establishment GOPer that used to work in WH Protocol. Lost her F#cking mind, says Breitbart “should be tarred, feathered, drawn, quartered and put in the Scavenger’s Daughter on display in the Tower of London just to remind everyone in Western Civilization that yes, as a matter of f#cking fact, torture does have a place.”

Her best friends are all Bush/Cheney people. Unfortunately, she is in the minority among that crowd. But damn, I like her thoughts what to do with Breitbart.

186 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:53:51pm

Rick Sanchez looks constipated.

187 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:53:51pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

See my 170, the book made it clear military service was not the only option. Their is a passage where Rico asks a nurse what happens if someone fails the physical and gets laughed at. The nurse’s reply was that if a blind paraplegic showed up, he would still pass and the goverment was required to find him a place to contribute even if that meant counting caterpillars by touch, since they could not discrimate against anyone wishing to serve.

Yes indeed. That just always seemed to be in a uniform to me when I read the book. I could be wrong about that. I think we both agree on the main premise though being sound.

188 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:54:05pm

re: #177 ralphieboy

I like Heinlein’s notion that the franchise must somehow be earned. But the whole question of the interface between public/private sector (i.e. military-industrial complex) was glossed over.

True, though their was some implication that certain corporate benefits were also granted due to citizenship, probably in the forms of licensing and taxation.

189 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:54:22pm

Whoa, Breitbart FINALLY got a namecheck!

190 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:54:27pm

Brietbart just got mentioned by Roland Martin, and Sanchez is running with it.

191 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:54:54pm

BBL. The old boss is here!!!

192 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:54:58pm

Finally.

193 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:55:11pm

Woo hoo, finally, Breitbart get’s mentioned. WTF?

194 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:55:13pm

This administration needs to use this moment to say the bullshit stops now.

This tit for tat that is going on to prove who is racist is stupid and is harming our national fabric.

They need to investigate and make sure everything is true from Sherrod’s point of view, put her back in her damn job, fire the “sack” and state that things will be handled differently from this point on.

They need to rise above this, fight for this woman who actually tells a story that America needs to learn and copy into our every day lives and tell the race baiters (all of them on every side party be damned) that their show is OVER.

I HOPE they do this.

195 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:55:19pm

I feel like I’m watching a sporting event, but am only able to see the faces of other fans, not the field.

196 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:55:23pm

You what? If the whole tape doesn’t materialize I wonder if that will be thought of as suspicious?

I know the fact that it is taking so long to materialize and vindicate this woman is very suspicious to me.

People here know it doesn’t take very long to post a video. To upload it to Youtube…. and everyone could see it…

Shirley is saying that there are lots of tapes of her speeches…. (Albany?).

If true, then it will not take long for them to surface.

197 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:55:26pm

Gotta admit, this is pretty riveting TV.

198 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:55:26pm

This is the top Tweet on the hash tag #tcot:
tillerylakelady
POLICE STATE 2010: Obama Has A List Of Americans Targeted For Assassination

Youtube Video
@glennbeck #teaparty #tcot #palin


You can NOT make this shit up….

199 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:56:00pm

well that was odd….

200 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:56:22pm

re: #192 Charles

Finally.

Yep, CNN is kicking ass on this story, now going to discuss why the tape is edited and posted and by who.

201 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:56:22pm

re: #183 webevintage

I LOVE when normal Americans call pundits on their bullshit…

The could make better use of Roland Martin by using his forehead as a projection screen.

202 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:56:25pm

Rick Sanchez: “was Breitbart trying to instigate this?” READ HIS FRICKING POST, you moron.

203 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:56:48pm

re: #187 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes indeed. That just always seemed to be in a uniform to me when I read the book. I could be wrong about that. I think we both agree on the main premise though being sound.

Well, the book did focus mainly on the military aspect, the rest being mentioned in passing as minor points.

How they turned the MI into a bunch of kids in BMX armor, Dizzy Flores into a chick and Dougie Houser from a guy who gets wasted in the first bug attack into a Psychic nazi for the movie, I’m still trying to figure out.

204 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:57:23pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Starship Troopers is one of his most misunderstood novels, mainly because it’s actually really good and well-worked-out philosophically, unlike his creepy semi-biological defenses of incest.

The shitty movie that turned it into satire didn’t help, neither.

205 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:58:43pm

Even if Roland Martin was just bringing up Breitbart to get himself off the burner, it’s still long past time to get that out in the open.

206 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:58:46pm

re: #196 Buck

You what? If the whole tape doesn’t materialize I wonder if that will be thought of as suspicious?

I know the fact that it is taking so long to materialize and vindicate this woman is very suspicious to me.

People here know it doesn’t take very long to post a video. To upload it to Youtube… and everyone could see it…

Shirley is saying that there are lots of tapes of her speeches… (Albany?).

If true, then it will not take long for them to surface.

You know Buck considering what happened the last time you took a major stance on race relations (suggesting that we couldn’t take the word of a member of congress who fought for civil rights on if he had been called a certain insulting name or not at face value) you might want to sit this thread out…

207 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:58:51pm

re: #196 Buck

Why do you want to cover yourself in shame like this?

208 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:00:19pm

re: #204 Obdicut

Starship Troopers is one of his most misunderstood novels, mainly because it’s actually really good and well-worked-out philosophically, unlike his creepy semi-biological defenses of incest.

The shitty movie that turned it into satire didn’t help, neither.

As one buddy once put it, early Heinlein, hard scifi, post stroke Heinlein, TITTIES!

209 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:00:34pm

re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The problem most people have with Heinlein’s model and label it a military dictatorship or fascims is they failed to understand 2 key elements. First, nowhere was it stipulated that the service had to be military. In fact, numerous examples were listed of people engaged in research projects, public work crews and other forms of civic duties to fulfill their comittment. Second, the false assumption the military controlled the government. The book made it quite clear that those serving lacked the vote until such a time their service was over and made references to only being allowed to run for political office once they were discharged from their terms of service,

Wait, I thought they were allowed to vote even after they had served their terms in the military or whatever….

210 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:00:47pm

Brietbart will be on John King’s show on CNN later tonight - Rick Sanchez

211 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:01:13pm

re: #197 Charles

Do you think you can post the video of the interview for those of us that can’t watch it?

212 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:01:20pm

re: #209 jamesfirecat

What about a narcissistic commune?

213 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:01:32pm

Breitbart will be on John King this evening. More CNN coverage this hour.

214 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:01:33pm

This is the crap being posted by conservatives on Twitter:

RT @SalHansen: Shirley Sherrod should understand now how the TeaParty feels being called racist. I have NO pity for her.

These people are utterly deranged.

215 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:01:36pm

Ok, off to go home and roast things on the grill and generally not be angry at racist dbags.

Back later.

216 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:01:40pm

I would like to thank Cankles McCellulite for the upding on #100, and for having a fantastic nic.

217 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:02:34pm

re: #209 jamesfirecat

Wait, I thought they were allowed to vote even after they had served their terms in the military or whatever…

I thought thats what I said. Serving their contract, no voting rights. End of contract, they get to vote.

218 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:03:05pm

re: #97 researchok

Sherrod is right to single out Fox News.

They should never have aired the segments without having seen the whole tape.

They also owe everyone a mea culpa.

Like the CNN/Eason Jordan/Iraq business, there is no excuse for this kind of journalism. None.

Sherrod will never get an apology, not from Fox News, not from Breitbart, not from Vilsack…I hope she sues the fuck out of all of them.

219 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:03:06pm

re: #212 brownbagj

What about a narcissistic commune?

Thats the TP

220 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:03:13pm

A few people on this thread will have to be leaving us now so they can get their talking points from Beck. We’ll be seeing you with those later!

221 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:03:14pm

Shirley Sherrod = Joseph N. Welch ?

God I hope so.

222 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:03:24pm

re: #214 Charles

Isn’t there an uninhabited island to send these “people” off to? That’s just disgusting.

223 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:03:48pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought thats what I said. Serving their contract, no voting rights. End of contract, they get to vote.

Sorry your right I read “lacked” as “cast” for some reason, so I read

“The book made it quite clear that those serving lacked the vote until such a time their service was over and made references “

As “that those serving cast the vote until such a time their service was over”

My bad….

224 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:04:54pm

Statement translated.

We, the management of USDA, have no balls or ethics. We are not going to admit we made a mistake, ever.

225 elizajane  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:05:00pm

re: #214 Charles

This is the crap being posted by conservatives on Twitter:

These people are utterly deranged.

The connection is: Shirley Sherrod’s father was murdered by whites who were never brought to trial.
Glenn Beck tells the Tea Partiers that a black president is planning to assassinate them.
Obviously the Tea Partiers know exactly how Sherrod feels!

Oh, wait, they say they have no pity for her. Oops.

226 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:05:05pm

re: #220 bratwurst

A few people on this thread will have to be leaving us now so they can get their talking points from Beck. We’ll be seeing you with those later!

There’s always HOPE that will CHANGE

,,oh , wait,,, thats what they don’t like in the 1st place,, umm,,, PLAN B!!!

227 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:05:27pm

How many more times is Andrew Brietbart going to get to blow that dogwhistle of his before people start to marginalize his racist ass?

228 elizajane  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:06:48pm

re: #97 researchok

Sherrod is right to single out Fox News.

They should never have aired the segments without having seen the whole tape.

They also owe everyone a mea culpa.

Like the CNN/Eason Jordan/Iraq business, there is no excuse for this kind of journalism. None.

Even the comments on Fox’s website are running pretty heavily in the direction of “Fox, you let us down on this one! CNN has shown you up!”

229 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:06:50pm

re: #214 Charles

This is the crap being posted by conservatives on Twitter:

These people are utterly deranged.

And there you see the grand play martyr cookie evolve. They paint a black woman as the target of a racially motivated false attack of racism (which they started, but shhh) and lean back and collect martyr cookies while covering up thier own wretched racism and getting digs in Obama and the NAACP at the same time. It is in its way a magnificent master stroke or evil propaganda where Fox could not loose.

And the WH and the NAACP walked right into it.

Horrible.

The WH needs to get up and seriously make the buck stop. It needs to reinstate her immediately and apologize to her publicly - then without missing a beat go on to crucify Breitbart and the very real racists who started this. They need to explain it in exactly the terms outlined above. It is after all, only the truth. Just say simply that they are concerned about fairness and they were conned by a false accusation made by a man out to detract attention from the very real racists. They need to say that loud and clear and make Breitbart and Fox persona non-grata.

230 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:07:43pm

re: #214 Charles

This is the crap being posted by conservatives on Twitter:

These people are utterly deranged.

This is just stupid. If the TP is not racist, and another non racist is falsely accused…shouldn’t they have the utmost sympathy for that person and come out for her? Shouldn’t they say, “It is completely wrong to accuse someone falsely of such inhuman actions as racism. We stand by this innocent person as also being falsely accused. Racism has many actions, including twisting words to fit an agenda that ruin a person’s career and reputation.”

Right?!?

231 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:07:47pm

re: #206 jamesfirecat

You know Buck considering what happened the last time you took a major stance on race relations (suggesting that we couldn’t take the word of a member of congress who fought for civil rights on if he had been called a certain insulting name or not at face value) you might want to sit this thread out…

And interesting how that never really got proved.

In this case all I am saying is that it is hard to understand why the NAACP wouldn’t respond by releasing the entire speech?

232 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:08:16pm

This poor woman is catching more heat than Mark Williams and the rest of the Teabagger scum. Utterly amazing. Not only is she being destroyed by the right wing hate machine but she’s been abandoned by the Democratic party and the administration. In the end, they’re all making her look as the problem.

This is nuts.

233 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:08:37pm

It is not really Glenn’s fault, he only saw what he saw and HEY! the NAACP went after her too and DOJ!!!Black Panthers!!!!
No really that is what he is talking about….

and yeah, black panthers….

234 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:08:38pm

OK now I am just simply sick. I am going to look into megawatt lasers, fission power cycles and hydroponics - and a good come on line to the Sweedish Bikini team.

235 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:09:30pm

re: #231 Buck

What the fuck dude. Why are you accusing the NAACP of not having released the speech? Because they didn’t do it in the past four hours?

Why not accuse Brietbart of not having released it?

Why focus on attacking the NAACP?

Why do you always do this?

236 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:09:54pm

re: #196 Buck

You what? If the whole tape doesn’t materialize I wonder if that will be thought of as suspicious?

I know the fact that it is taking so long to materialize and vindicate this woman is very suspicious to me.

People here know it doesn’t take very long to post a video. To upload it to Youtube… and everyone could see it…

Shirley is saying that there are lots of tapes of her speeches… (Albany?).

If true, then it will not take long for them to surface.

Are you shitting me? Because, if you’re not, I cordially invite you to fuck off…

/another LGF Class of 2004 member feeling their oats, apparently

237 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:10:11pm

re: #232 Gus 802

This poor woman is catching more heat than Mark Williams and the rest of the Teabagger scum. Utterly amazing. Not only is she being destroyed by the right wing hate machine but she’s been abandoned by the Democratic party and the administration. In the end, they’re all making her look as the problem.

This is nuts.

Yet apparently we are supposed to believe the media is liberal.

238 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:10:18pm

re: #231 Buck

And interesting how that never really got proved.

In this case all I am saying is that it is hard to understand why the NAACP wouldn’t respond by releasing the entire speech?

Wow really?

So you take the word of joe smchmo the Tea Party person over a respected member of congress?

Because if it never got proven as you point out then it comes down to a case of “he said” “she said”

I find it interesting that you put your faith in.

239 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:10:22pm

re: #232 Gus 802

This poor woman is catching more heat than Mark Williams and the rest of the Teabagger scum. Utterly amazing. Not only is she being destroyed by the right wing hate machine but she’s been abandoned by the Democratic party and the administration. In the end, they’re all making her look as the problem.

This is nuts.

This is strong proof that there is still a terrible double standard for black people in this nation even with a black president…

Like I said, hydroponics in Antarctica. I want off.

240 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:11:19pm

And WHY have they not released the tape?
I’m just asking…

and REV WRIGHT!!!!!

(beck spewing..on FOX…consider this my sacrifice for ya’ll)

241 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:11:39pm

re: #231 Buck

And interesting how that never really got proved.

In this case all I am saying is that it is hard to understand why the NAACP wouldn’t respond by releasing the entire speech?

Ahhh our residual wingnut sacrificial offering. Please come up with some more teabag talking points. You will entertain us.

242 Kefirah  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:11:57pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

can i be the odd lawyer?

also, we ought to extend the invitation to some israelis. they can make the desert bloom, and grow oranges the size of my head, so they’d probably figure out something to do in antarctica, with what is likely less.than.fertile soil.

by the by, don’t populate texas with any more republicans. spread ‘em out to unpopulated areas, like wyoming.

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:12:01pm

re: #231 Buck

And interesting how that never really got proved.

In this case all I am saying is that it is hard to understand why the NAACP wouldn’t respond by releasing the entire speech?

Obvious troll is obvious

244 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:12:23pm

re: #236 talon_262

Are you shitting me? Because, if you’re not, I cordially invite you to fuck off…

/another LGF Class of 2004 member feeling their oats, apparently

Rock on.

245 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:12:58pm

re: #235 Obdicut

What the fuck dude. Why are you accusing the NAACP of not having released the speech? Because they didn’t do it in the past four hours?

Why not accuse Brietbart of not having released it?

Why focus on attacking the NAACP?

Why do you always do this?

For the same reason that some consider this whole episode to be Obama’s fault.

246 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:13:38pm

re: #229 LudwigVanQuixote


The WH needs to get up and seriously make the buck stop. It needs to reinstate her immediately and apologize to her publicly - then without missing a beat go on to crucify Breitbart and the very real racists who started this.

Well, maybe not immediately. I mean the “fire then aim” method does not make sense, even if you are shooting the other way.

Maybe watch the whole video, and see what else was said? The one she made at the NAACP.

Again, the fact that it is taking so long is suspicious. It is in the hands of the NAACP. Their move is next.

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:13:45pm

re: #236 talon_262

Are you shitting me? Because, if you’re not, I cordially invite you to fuck off…

/another LGF Class of 2004 member feeling their oats, apparently

This guy shows up regularly as a GOP talking point stenographer, sort of like a yapping dog, he regularly makes a lot of inconsequential noise

248 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:14:28pm

re: #246 Buck

I will never stop working to protect my country from jerks like you.

249 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:14:39pm

re: #227 RadicalModerate

How many more times is Andrew Brietbart going to get to blow that dogwhistle of his before people start to marginalize his racist ass?

Ohh dear, you missed the fact that it is too late for that. Fox and the wing nut pundit sphere and the Teabags have made his antics acceptable in common parlance.

250 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:14:40pm

re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote

I am afraid that wherever you go, if there are people there then there will be issues just like this.

We humans are just to good at hating each other.

251 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:15:04pm

re: #231 Buck

And interesting how that never really got proved.

In this case all I am saying is that it is hard to understand why the NAACP wouldn’t respond by releasing the entire speech?

Yeah, and Mark Williams was just taken out of context with his “Letter to Lincoln”.

Give me a fucking break.

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:15:06pm

re: #246 Buck


and Buck once again stands up bravely against the railroaded black woman


you must be very proud

253 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:15:38pm

re: #248 Obdicut

I will never stop working to protect my country from jerks like you.

Isn’t he Canadian? I thought I remembered Buck saying he was Canadian

254 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:15:56pm

re: #248 Obdicut

I will never stop working to protect my country from jerks like you.

Really? And what threat do you feel I am to your country?

Please be specific, and try not to make stuff up about me. Make sure you actually know me.

255 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:15:58pm

Beck says Shirley should have been promoted, not fired. Says she’s been “politically assassinated”

256 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:16:20pm

BTW, she fits with all MAOISTS in the gov’t because she realized that this was all about “poor vs the rich” so she should be a czar of something….

so say Glenn

and when did we loose the right to face our accusers…
Just asking…

Oh he has the chalkboard of righteousness….

257 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:16:22pm

re: #242 Kefirah

can i be the odd lawyer?

also, we ought to extend the invitation to some israelis. they can make the desert bloom, and grow oranges the size of my head, so they’d probably figure out something to do in antarctica, with what is likely less.than.fertile soil.

by the by, don’t populate texas with any more republicans. spread ‘em out to unpopulated areas, like wyoming.

I don’t recall making any statements excluding anyone who would want to help.

258 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:16:25pm

re: #246 Buck

Well, maybe not immediately. I mean the “fire then aim” method does not make sense, even if you are shooting the other way.

Maybe watch the whole video, and see what else was said? The one she made at the NAACP.

Again, the fact that it is taking so long is suspicious. It is in the hands of the NAACP. Their move is next.

Please don’t address me Buck. The whole tape has her speaking about how this farmer pissed on her for being black and how she helped him anyway. As a result, the farmer and his wife love her.

Do facts like that ever enter your little wingnut talking point addled mind?

259 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:16:43pm

re: #246 Buck

Again, the fact that it is taking so long is suspicious.

How fast do they have to be to avoid your suspicion? Never mind, if you won’t believe what Rep. John Lewis says, you won’t believe anyone from the NAACP either.

260 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:16:49pm

re: #250 brownbagj

I am afraid that wherever you go, if there are people there then there will be issues just like this.

We humans are just to good at hating each other.

Antarctica. Not many folks there and soon to be green :)

261 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:16:49pm

re: #246 Buck

The folks who shot the video also state that it supports her version. Are they in on it too?

Maybe, just maybe the NAACP is taking their TIME THIS TIME to get this right and not be surprised again and make another mistake.

Maybe? Could you give them that benefit before we start going conspiracy first?

262 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:17:09pm

re: #255 avanti

Beck says Shirley should have been promoted, not fired. Says she’s been “politically assassinated”

Ah, Beck sees a chance to attack Obama and its ramming speed time.

263 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:17:27pm

Wow. 870 retweets on that first Sherrod post.

264 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:17:34pm

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, the book did focus mainly on the military aspect, the rest being mentioned in passing as minor points.

How they turned the MI into a bunch of kids in BMX armor, Dizzy Flores into a chick and Dougie Houser from a guy who gets wasted in the first bug attack into a Psychic nazi for the movie, I’m still trying to figure out.

They obviously never read, or didn’t understand the book.

265 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:17:46pm

re: #254 Buck

That you are condemning the NAACP for not releasing the tape, hours after they were sent the tape.

That you showed up to defend Beck, after Beck went completely crazy and alleged the government was going to kill a lot of people.

That you never fail to defend racists.

266 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:17:47pm

re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote

This is strong proof that there is still a terrible double standard for black people in this nation even with a black president…

Like I said, hydroponics in Antarctica. I want off.

That’s just it. I think the hyper negative response is being guided by two things here. Maybe three, a) she’s black; b) she’s a woman; and c) she a government employee. So we might be looking at three prejudices against her.

267 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:18:05pm

re: #248 Obdicut

I will never stop working to protect my country from jerks like you.

The beauty of this country is that people are free to BE jerks. You’re goal should be to work to change perceptions, attitudes, thoughts and deeds.

268 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:18:14pm

re: #246 Buck

Again, the fact that it is taking so long is suspicious. It is in the hands of the NAACP. Their move is next.

It is in the hands of Breitbart, Why haven’t you said a frakking peep about him? Right now the NAACP is so busy trying to figure out what the hell just happened that I would expect it to take a day to get sorted out. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your tin foil cap world.

269 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:18:17pm

re: #260 LudwigVanQuixote

Antarctica. Not many folks there and soon to be green :)

Arcologies and subterranean expansion should be key elements to look into.

270 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:18:33pm

re: #255 avanti

Beck says Shirley should have been promoted, not fired. Says she’s been “politically assassinated”

You know, I was just about to comment that Beck would probably take Sherrod’s side, because the most important thing to him by far is attacking Barack Obama.

271 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:18:44pm

By the way, folks, call the NAACP too, and let them know you support Sherrod.

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:18:50pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

The beauty of this country is that people are free to BE jerks. You’re goal should be to work to change perceptions, attitudes, thoughts and deeds.

that’s what he said

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:19:19pm

re: #254 Buck

Really? And what threat do you feel I am to your country?

Please be specific, and try not to make stuff up about me. Make sure you actually know me.

Obvious troll, still obvious

274 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:19:50pm

I sense some serious refudiating in someone’s future.

275 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:19:53pm

re: #260 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, now you do face a decision (just kidding here)…

Support a new country that is created via AGW or stop AGW and no new country that can sustain life…

// and just in case //////

276 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:20:08pm

How do people watch a whole hour of Glenn Beck?

and FUCK YOU GLEN do NOT quote Dr, Suess

(Of course if she had not been forced to resign he’d be on a witch hunt to get her fired)

277 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:20:35pm

re: #272 WindUpBird

that’s what he said

Nope ,,

protect my country from jerks

not FOR ,,, FROM

278 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:21:08pm

re: #270 Charles

You know, I was just about to comment that Beck would probably take Sherrod’s side, because the most important thing to him by far is attacking Barack Obama.

The supposed white victims in this case are all over national news loudly insisting that they were treated well. It’s difficult to continue to push the meme that they were victims of racism, even to a captive audience that considers all the other media sources to be liberal liars.

But, as we are shown on this site and all over the media/blogosphere every day, someone can always find an angle to attack Obama.

279 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:21:09pm

Had to run to the store to get a few things for supper. What’d I miss?

280 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:21:24pm

re: #264 b_sharp

They obviously never read, or didn’t understand the book.

As someone on commenting on the movie pointed out

” instead of an elite fighting force equipped with Powered Suits, they are a conventional army armed with conventional weapons - but apparently without armored vehicles, artillery, most heavy weapons, and other vital equipment. “

281 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:21:36pm

re: #279 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Had to run to the store to get a few things for supper. What’d I miss?

What I wanted at the store

Go back and get it!

282 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:21:44pm

I have to go…
Bless you, Shirley. May good people come to your defense and push back against the hate.

283 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:23:00pm

re: #235 Obdicut

What the fuck dude. Why are you accusing the NAACP of not having released the speech? Because they didn’t do it in the past four hours?

Why not accuse Brietbart of not having released it?

Why focus on attacking the NAACP?

Why do you always do this?

Does bigoted asshole ring a bell?

284 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:23:19pm

re: #254 Buck

Really? And what threat do you feel I am to your country?

Please be specific, and try not to make stuff up about me. Make sure you actually know me.

You aren’t a threat to this country. And I’ll fight for your right to make an ass out of yourself with whatever comments you feel like making in public.

And I’ll fight for my right to call you an ass for those comments.

285 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:23:42pm

re: #278 Renaissance_Man

The supposed white victims in this case are all over national news loudly insisting that they were treated well. It’s difficult to continue to push the meme that they were victims of racism, even to a captive audience that considers all the other media sources to be liberal liars.

But, as we are shown on this site and all over the media/blogosphere every day, someone can always find an angle to attack Obama.

Actually it was apparent from the second that Fox wanted her on. This really was a master stroke on the part of the bad guys. Or better put, an obvious trap that the government and the NAACP just walked right into.

286 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:23:46pm

re: #274 darthstar

I sense some serious refudiating in someone’s future.

If you mean Sarah she has already moved on to the Journolist scandal….

287 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:24:47pm

re: #286 webevintage

If you mean Sarah she has already moved on to the Journolist scandal…

I love cafepress…wish I still worked there sometimes.

288 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:24:59pm

re: #281 sattv4u2

What I wanted at the store

Go back and get it!

Hey, it wasn’t on the list and I’m tired. You want it, go get it yourself.

/

289 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:24:59pm

re: #277 sattv4u2

Nope ,,

protect my country from jerks

not FOR ,,, FROM

Oh, you mean change their minds? Are you nuts? We’re not going to magically make big racist chunks of America less racist.

Ob is right, you defend the country against these people getting into power. You don’t magically change their minds about their suspicions about black people. They’re not going to change their minds. But they can be prevented from getting into office if the will is there.

290 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:26:01pm

re: #265 Obdicut

That you are condemning the NAACP for not releasing the tape, hours after they were sent the tape.

That you showed up to defend Beck, after Beck went completely crazy and alleged the government was going to kill a lot of people.

That you never fail to defend racists.

I have never defended racists, I did not show up to defend Beck “after Beck went completely crazy and alleged the government was going to kill a lot of people”, and I didn’t condemn the NAACP.

So, as I suspected, you did make stuff up.

291 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:26:14pm

re: #250 brownbagj

I am afraid that wherever you go, if there are people there then there will be issues just like this.

We humans are just to good at hating each other.

Any doubt that we are nothing more than intelligent chimps?

292 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:27:11pm

re: #286 webevintage

If you mean Sarah she has already moved on to the Journolist scandal…

Okay…I just went to her fb page…her paranoia is a good thing. I hope she runs with this for weeks.

293 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:27:14pm

re: #291 b_sharp

Any doubt that we are nothing more than intelligent chimps?

I know a couple of chimps that would be insulted (and rightly so) by that comment!

294 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:27:41pm

re: #254 Buck

Really? And what threat do you feel I am to your country?

Please be specific, and try not to make stuff up about me. Make sure you actually know me.

If you are Canuck then you are a threat to my country. You must be from Alberta.

295 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:28:15pm

re: #291 b_sharp

Any doubt that we are nothing more than intelligent chimps?

You’d never find a chimp trying to get through customs with 18 monkeys around its waist.

296 Slap  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:28:47pm

May I suggest we just start calling him Nilsack instead?

297 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:28:52pm

Man, I got to go back and read the old Heinlein stuff some more

If This Goes On—

“If This Goes On—” is a science fiction short novel by Robert A. Heinlein, first serialized in 1940 in Astounding Science-Fiction and revised and expanded for inclusion in the 1953 collection Revolt in 2100. The novel shows what might happen to Christianity in the United States given mass communications, applied psychology, and a hysterical populace. The novel is part of Heinlein’s Future History series.

298 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:28:59pm

re: #289 WindUpBird

Oh, you mean change their minds?

No,, I mean what I said

Bloodstar stated basically the same here (he just brought it to it’s logical conclusion)

littlegreenfootballs.com

299 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:29:38pm

I made a facebook group to support Sherrod.

facebook.com

Does that link work for others?

300 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:29:39pm

re: #290 Buck

I have never defended racists, I did not show up to defend Beck “after Beck went completely crazy and alleged the government was going to kill a lot of people”, and I didn’t condemn the NAACP.

So, as I suspected, you did make stuff up.

By automatically throwing the weight of your beliefs against a member of congress who is black and was a part of the civil rights movement, you side with those who would obviously be racist if you/they were on the wrong side of what is still a “he said, she said” debate.

A “he said, she said” debate that you went to great lengths to frame as a “he said, she said” debate as if the lack of any proof is all the proof we need to suspect a man who has suffered far too much at the hands of racism to be expected to blithely try to frame his foes as racists for simple polticial gain (in my opinion).

People draw conclusions from these actions.

301 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:29:40pm

re: #291 b_sharp

Any doubt that we are nothing more than intelligent chimps?

I resemble that remark!

302 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:30:37pm

Donna Brazile is now on - she heard the entire speech and says it was utterly distorted and taken out of context.

The NAACP is going to put the entire speech on their website with a new statement.

303 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:30:44pm

re: #295 darthstar

You’d never find a chimp trying to get through customs with 18 monkeys humans around its waist.


ftfy

304 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:30:45pm

re: #298 sattv4u2

Yup its all about censorship!

305 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:30:54pm

Good afternoon Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today….Question: Why should I grow up? This is more fun.
/

306 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:31:00pm

Remember that the real goal was never to get someone fired, or to make Sherrod look bad. The real point of this exercise was to attack the NAACP, who had the temerity to point out the racism rife in the Tea Parties. It was nothing more than an immediate tu quoque backlash. Anything that discredits the NAACP, Obama, and the ‘libs’ in general is fine. It doesn’t have to be racism - as long as they’re associated with something vaguely bad, their true statements can be forgotten and discredited.

Some posters here are just keeping those real targets in mind.

307 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:31:06pm

re: #290 Buck

Why are you calling on the NAACP to release the video and saying that not doing so is ‘suspicious’?

Why did you say “So now it’s all Beck’s fault”?

308 elizajane  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:31:10pm

re: #255 avanti

Beck says Shirley should have been promoted, not fired. Says she’s been “politically assassinated”

Is this a follow-up to yesterday’s rant about how the Obama administration is planning to assassinate Tea Partiers? So now Sherrod is the equivalent of a TP’er?
Can anybody get the logic here? Her father is murdered by whites. A black president has assassinated her. It’s too much for my poor head to take, and I refuse to listen to an hour of GB to hear his full explanation.

309 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:31:43pm

How exactly do you go to these guys and change their perceptions and deeds?re: #298 sattv4u2


Oh, you mean change their minds?

No,, I mean what I said

Bloodstar stated basically the same here (he just brought it to it’s logical conclusion)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I’m talking about politics and the sort of thoughts Buck is saying aloud that are mirroring the GOP platform.

I’m not talking about individual free speech, I’m talking about memes that make it into the news that then influence voters

310 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:31:45pm

re: #306 Renaissance_Man

Remember that the real goal was never to get someone fired, or to make Sherrod look bad. The real point of this exercise was to attack the NAACP, who had the temerity to point out the racism rife in the Tea Parties. It was nothing more than an immediate tu quoque backlash. Anything that discredits the NAACP, Obama, and the ‘libs’ in general is fine. It doesn’t have to be racism - as long as they’re associated with something vaguely bad, their true statements can be forgotten and discredited.

Some posters here are just keeping those real targets in mind.

Exactly.

311 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:32:20pm

re: #304 windsagio

Yup its all about censorship!

I’m sure that made sense to somebody somewhere about something

To what Bloodstar and I were alluding too, not so much !

312 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:32:29pm

re: #305 HoosierHoops

Good afternoon Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today…Question: Why should I grow up? This is more fun.
/

Hops read up thread about the Republic of Remulak. We need people who can run reactors and pas on their knowledge.

313 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:32:55pm

re: #309 WindUpBird

But bringing up free speech is a good way to defend awful things.

People aren’t objecting to the awfulness, they’re trying to censor the person who said them!

314 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:33:00pm

re: #309 WindUpBird

How exactly do you go to these guys and change their perceptions and deeds?

I’m talking about politics and the sort of thoughts Buck is saying aloud that are mirroring the GOP platform.

I’m not talking about individual free speech, I’m talking about memes that make it into the news that then influence voters


which is (wait for it) free speech!

315 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:33:23pm

The bottom line regarding the Sherrod situation is this: The right-wing fringe is still controlling the narrative.

316 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:33:34pm

It’s beginning to look like I was right. This is going to seriously blow up in Breitbart’s face.

317 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:33:41pm

re: #311 sattv4u2

Spunky! Maybe my 313 will explain it (no you don’t have to admit I’m right :D)

318 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:33:54pm

re: #304 windsagio

Yup its all about censorship!

I will defend to the death your right to missappropriate this quote to Voltaire


Also, let’s change the perceptions of people who think that Obama is a secret muslim dictator, because they really respond well to ‘facts’ and ‘evidence’ hahahaha

319 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:33:57pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

which is (wait for it) free speech!

And if anyone were saying the government should censor that, you’d have a fucking point.

But nobody is, so you have no fucking point.

320 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:34:02pm

re: #313 windsagio

But bringing up free speech is a good way to defend awful things.

People aren’t objecting to the awfulness, they’re trying to censor the person who said them!

I didn’t defend “free speech” nor did I bring it up

I stated that Busk (or anyone else) IS free to be a jerk, speech or not

321 elizajane  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:34:08pm

re: #316 Charles

It’s beginning to look like I was right. This is going to seriously blow up in Breitbart’s face.

I am so, so hoping that you are right and that my pessimism will be proven wrong!

322 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:34:21pm

re: #315 darthstar

And the gov’t needs to strap on their balls about this kind of thing and actually support their employees against this kind of smear.

323 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:34:28pm

re: #312 LudwigVanQuixote

Hops read up thread about the Republic of Remulak. We need people who can run reactors and pas on their knowledge.

I’m still trying to figure out where I would fit in.

324 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:34:52pm

re: #311 sattv4u2

I’m sure that made sense to somebody somewhere about something

To what Bloodstar and I were alluding too, not so much !

Keep trying, it’s fun to watch

325 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:34:53pm

re: #319 Obdicut

And if anyone were saying the government should censor that, you’d have a fucking point.

But nobody is, so you have no fucking point.

You really have to learn how to read what someone is responding TOO,, not just the response itself

326 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:34:57pm

re: #316 Charles

It’s beginning to look like I was right. This is going to seriously blow up in Breitbart’s face.

Breitbart is a shit-dwelling troll. As far as he’s concerned, this is good publicity, and it’s getting him on national TV. He probably thinks he’s just one or two outrages away from getting a paying gig on CNN or Fox like Erick Erection did.

327 Slap  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:35:24pm

re: #316 Charles

Is schadenfreude really inappropriate, in this instance?

I’m thinking, if this turns out to be true, that we might need to make an exception.

328 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:35:32pm

re: #316 Charles

It’s beginning to look like I was right. This is going to seriously blow up in Breitbart’s face.

G-d, I hope so…

329 Max  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:35:41pm

Doesn’t anyone in the Obama administration realize that they’re legitimizing these wingnut fantasies when they cave in like this? The same thing happened last summer with Van Jones.

330 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:35:42pm

re: #204 Obdicut

Starship Troopers is one of his most misunderstood novels, mainly because it’s actually really good and well-worked-out philosophically, unlike his creepy semi-biological defenses of incest.

The shitty movie that turned it into satire didn’t help, neither.

Starship Troopers is a fantastic movie. It’s also a terrible adaptation of the book. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

331 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:35:50pm

re: #324 WindUpBird

I actually love arguing with satt, its satisfying in a weird way.

I think its because he always seems to be enjoying himself.

332 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:35:50pm

re: #316 Charles

It’s beginning to look like I was right. This is going to seriously blow up in Breitbart’s face.

Looks like it another box of wine for Andrew tonight.

333 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:35:56pm

re: #324 WindUpBird

Keep trying, it’s fun to watch

And keep trying to alter what was stated and the meaning thereof

HURRY , THE GOAL POSTS ,,, THEY HAVEN’T BEEN MOVED IN AWHILE!

334 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:36:01pm

re: #323 b_sharp

I’m still trying to figure out where I would fit in.

Here is a shovel.

335 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:36:08pm

re: #302 Charles

Donna Brazile is now on - she heard the entire speech and says it was utterly distorted and taken out of context.

The NAACP is going to put the entire speech on their website with a new statement.

No doubt Breitbart’s already concocting some kinda excuse that he, like ol’ Dan “What’s the Frequency” Rather, was duped into releasing an edited video and that he only got his hands on the real video after he’d released the edited version, but couldn’t release the full video because the NAACP wouldn’t let him.

Or some other garbage to mask the fact that he knowingly released an edited video, looking to instigate an overreaction from the NAACP and the Obama Administration, as a means of “getting back” at them for coming down hard on the Tea Party’s rampant problems with racism.

336 blueraven  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:36:39pm

What really pisses me off, after the fact that AB has vilified this woman, is that he set this whole thing up and NAACP and Vilsack fell for his ploy.

Now they are the ones that come off looking like an ass.

337 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:36:41pm

re: #322 windsagio

And the gov’t needs to strap on their balls about this kind of thing and actually support their employees against this kind of smear.

Should we mail Vilsack a pair of Truck-nutz?

338 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:36:59pm

re: #320 sattv4u2

I didn’t defend “free speech” nor did I bring it up

I stated that Busk (or anyone else) IS free to be a jerk, speech or not

Stormfront is free to be Stormfront, too. Political Cesspool is free to be Political Cesspool. Alex Jones is free to be Alex Jones, and David Duke is free to be David Duke

Now that we’ve got that transparent obviousness out of the way, let’s move on.

I plan to continue defending my country against these peoples’ words and ideals. By voting, by challenging anyone who believes their nonsense, by giving money to the candidates who oppose them

I’m not sure why this is so difficult to understand

339 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:37:03pm

re: #316 Charles

It’s beginning to look like I was right. This is going to seriously blow up in Breitbart’s face.

Your lips, Hashem’s ears.

340 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:37:13pm

re: #320 sattv4u2

I didn’t defend “free speech” nor did I bring it up

I stated that Busk (or anyone else) IS free to be a jerk, speech or not

He has a right to be a jerk, but there is no right to be listened to when he does act like a jerk.

341 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:37:16pm

re: #337 darthstar

Should we mail Vilsack a pair of Truck-nutz?

thats

just

wrong!

342 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:37:32pm

re: #327 Slap

Anyways, it would be less schadenfreude, more “Thank God for the nation” ;)

343 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:37:36pm

re: #331 windsagio

I actually love arguing with satt, its satisfying in a weird way.

I think its because he always seems to be enjoying himself.

it’s like a slot car race, round and round and round, no critical thinking, just silliness

344 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:37:37pm

re: #309 WindUpBird

How exactly do you go to these guys and change their perceptions and deeds?

I’m talking about politics and the sort of thoughts Buck is saying aloud that are mirroring the GOP platform.

I’m not talking about individual free speech, I’m talking about memes that make it into the news that then influence voters

The main thing is, making sure people don’t put out deliberate falsehoods and character assassinate innocent people just to score a political point.

That’s why i’m so furious about this whole mess. The efforts to deflect and push the blame elsewhere is annoying, but that’s small fry compared to the big issue.

We can damage control the efforts to push the blame elsewhere, but it’s up to the NAACP, the White House, and the USDA to get things moving on their end as well. I suspect the NAACP is going to push back HARD, because they know they screwed up, the White House, another day, and the USDA, we’ll they’re just going to look bad by the time this is done.

Though hopefully no where near the blowback the Brietbart is going to suffer for this.

What he did is borderline libel. and that’s why it’s (potentically) not covered by free speech.

Being an ass, that’s fine, making shit up, that’s not fine.

345 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:37:38pm

re: #316 Charles

It’s beginning to look like I was right. This is going to seriously blow up in Breitbart’s face.

Five bucks says he’s going to weasel his way out of this one in exactly the same way as he did with the O’Keefe videos. Unfortunately, stuff doesn’t stick to slime that easily.

346 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:37:56pm

re: #300 jamesfirecat

By automatically throwing the weight of your beliefs against a member of congress who is black and was a part of the civil rights movement, you side with those who would obviously be racist if you/they were on the wrong side of what is still a “he said, she said” debate.

All I said was that IF people were saying the N word half as much as the accusation… it would have been picked up.

I just didn’t like the characterization that the protest was a KKK rally.

Even the “member of congress who is black and was a part of the civil rights movement” never cleared it up completely.

Anyway… I need real proof before I accuse someone of being a racist.

347 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:38:01pm

re: #340 b_sharp

He has a right to be a jerk, but there is no right to be listened to when he does act like a jerk.

I agree.

348 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:38:22pm

re: #341 sattv4u2

Se them all the time here in Georgia. If some dude shows up with that on his truck to pick up my daughter, I am afraid a different set shall be removed from his possession.

349 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:38:31pm

re: #330 AntonSirius

Starship Troopers is a fantastic movie. It’s also a terrible adaptation of the book. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

It was a terrible movie.

350 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:38:35pm

re: #323 b_sharp

I’m still trying to figure out where I would fit in.

Can you cook? Farm? Learn either? Run the computers? Simply be the guy who feeds the ammo into the auto turrets?

351 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:38:51pm

re: #332 Gus 802

Looks like it another box case of wine for Andrew tonight.

FTFY ;-P

352 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:38:56pm

re: #343 WindUpBird

Resolution would require him arguing in good faith ;)

353 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:39:08pm

re: #330 AntonSirius

Meh. I think it’s a crappy movie, sorry. It’s one-note satire.

354 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:39:22pm

re: #338 WindUpBird

I’m not sure why this is so difficult to understand

It’s probably the same difficulty it is to understand he has the right to be a jerk!

355 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:39:26pm

re: #334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here is a shovel.

Wrong colour. It doesn’t go with my eyes.

356 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:39:27pm

re: #336 blueraven

What really pisses me off, after the fact that AB has vilified this woman, is that he set this whole thing up and NAACP and Vilsack fell for his ploy.

Now they are the ones that come off looking like an ass.

Breitbart knew which buttons to push and he did so without hesitation or guilt. He wanted to “make a point” and he did so, with Sherrod being “collateral damage.” The man truly comes off a sociopath, destroying people’s lives and habitually lying simply to get himself and the beliefs he holds ahead.

357 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:39:31pm

re: #313 windsagio

But bringing up free speech is a good way to defend awful things.

People aren’t objecting to the awfulness, they’re trying to censor the person who said them!

Well, the hard thing is to admit that your political party is part of the machinery that feeds guys like Buck his sewage

358 blueraven  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:39:37pm

re: #345 RadicalModerate

Five bucks says he’s going to weasel his way out of this one in exactly the same way as he did with the O’Keefe videos. Unfortunately, stuff doesn’t stick to slime that easily.

Yes, he will say he was trying to prove a point…context
He will defend TP racist elements as being taken out of context. Bet.

359 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:39:54pm

re: #346 Buck

All I said was that IF people were saying the N word half as much as the accusation… it would have been picked up.

I just didn’t like the characterization that the protest was a KKK rally.

Even the “member of congress who is black and was a part of the civil rights movement” never cleared it up completely.

Anyway… I need real proof before I accuse someone of being a racist.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Like I said look at this as a “he said, she said” argument.

Assume that there was too much yelling going on of various things to have a clear recording.

Assume that maybe the congressman didn’t have a cell phone on him or some other handi-recording device.

Why is this congressman’s word not good enough for you?

Do you think a man of his caliber wanted to stir up some pathetic little racism tiff just because he could?

360 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:40:04pm

re: #348 brownbagj

Se them all the time here in Georgia. If some dude shows up with that on his truck to pick up my daughter, I am afraid a different set shall be removed from his possession.

Didn’t know you were in Georgia

same here

361 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:40:16pm

re: #341 sattv4u2

thats

just

wrong!

I so want to put a pair on the back of our Smart Car, but my wife keep saying “No.” I’m thinking about buying them, taking a picture, then sneaking them onto the back of my parents’ golf cart at their house the next time I visit.

362 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:40:19pm

re: #354 sattv4u2


I’m not sure why this is so difficult to understand

It’s probably the same difficulty it is to understand he has the right to be a jerk!

and the slot car rounds the chicane

363 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:40:37pm

re: #350 LudwigVanQuixote

Can you cook? Farm? Learn either? Run the computers? Simply be the guy who feeds the ammo into the auto turrets?

b sharp, you and I can keep the hamsters fed that run the computers. It is an important role.

364 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:40:39pm

re: #330 AntonSirius

Starship Troopers is a fantastic movie. It’s also a terrible adaptation of the book. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Ah yes, “Star Wars 90210”. Love it!

365 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:41:27pm

re: #362 WindUpBird

and the slot car rounds the chicane

silver looks good on you

I’ll have the gold and the checkered flag!

366 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:41:32pm

“Sherrod” is now trending on Twitter.

367 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:41:39pm

re: #359 jamesfirecat

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Youtube Video

!!!

368 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:41:50pm

re: #361 darthstar

I so want to put a pair on the back of our Smart Car, but my wife keep saying “No.” I’m thinking about buying them, taking a picture, then sneaking them onto the back of my parents’ golf cart at their house the next time I visit.

No no, what you need for your smart is a set of these

369 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:41:51pm

re: #349 b_sharp

It was a terrible movie.

In the distant future, the military has evolved from mechanized infantry operating with combined arms using manuever warfare to company sized foot patrols wearing ineffective body armor and minimal supplies who form circular firing squads with no form of effective fire control or discipline.

370 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:43:06pm

re: #360 sattv4u2

Right in the good old south. Even with all of our problems, I love it here.

371 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:43:46pm

re: #330 AntonSirius

Starship Troopers is a fantastic movie. It’s also a terrible adaptation of the book. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Ohh I have to strongly disagree. It took one of the very best and most deep books of sci fi ever written and turned it into a mockery.

It was also stupid as a movie IMHO. I mean, in the book the bugs had space ships and fired laser rifles. There were well thought out tactics with small units in very super-powered battle armor.

In teh movie though, let’s see what the tactics turned into.

You control the high orbitals of a planet covered with nasty bugs who don’t have much in the way of ranged capacity, but do swarm really well.

you:

a) Nuke them from orbit.

b) send in your armored military into a cleared landing area (that you nuked from orbit) with lots of air cover and heavy support.

c) send in lightly armed infantry without cover to get swarmed.

Really f’n dumb that movie was.

372 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:43:56pm

re: #368 WindUpBird

Does it come with a gun rack?

373 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:44:04pm

re: #370 brownbagj

Right in the good old south. Even with all of our problems, I love it here.

Came here from Boston 11 years ago

Live about 90 minutes straight east of Atlanta

374 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:44:05pm

re: #365 sattv4u2

The problem is nobody ever wins >>

375 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:44:39pm

re: #350 LudwigVanQuixote

Can you cook? Farm? Learn either? Run the computers? Simply be the guy who feeds the ammo into the auto turrets?

I have a B.A in Psych, and a B.Sc. in CS, and run a company that services computers, so when the computers get depressed, I can offer them counselling.

376 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:44:54pm

re: #374 windsagio

The problem is nobody ever wins >>

what part of CHECKERED FLAG ,,, GOLD ,, SILVER,, didn’t you get?

377 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:44:57pm

re: #371 LudwigVanQuixote

I never found Starship Troopers (as a book) that deep. More like Heinlein being kinda nuts (again!)

378 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:45:09pm

re: #375 b_sharp

I have a B.A in Psych, and a B.Sc. in CS, and run a company that services computers, so when the computers get depressed, I can offer them counselling.

Then you have a gig!

379 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:45:14pm

re: #376 sattv4u2

The ‘false analogy’ part :D

380 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:45:14pm

re: #353 Obdicut

Meh. I think it’s a crappy movie, sorry. It’s one-note satire.

Which is a shame, because Paul Verhoeven had and has shown he’s a damn good director that knows how satirize (see Robocop, among others).

381 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:45:30pm

re: #375 b_sharp

I have a B.A in Psych, and a B.Sc. in CS, and run a company that services computers, so when the computers get depressed, I can offer them counselling.

yeah ,, but how good do you look in mukluks!?!?

382 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:45:34pm

re: #377 windsagio

I never found Starship Troopers (as a book) that deep. More like Heinlein being kinda nuts (again!)

Then I respectfully disagree and ask that you re-read it.

383 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:45:42pm

re: #363 brownbagj

b sharp, you and I can keep the hamsters fed that run the computers. It is an important role.

Can I eat them too?

384 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:46:22pm

re: #382 LudwigVanQuixote

Next time I get to Powells. It has been a while.

Its simply no Caves of Steel or Rama tho’

385 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:46:26pm

re: #379 windsagio

The ‘false analogy’ part :D

I see ,, in other words, the part thats “I can’t argue with that, so i’ll call it ‘false analogy’”

Got it

386 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:47:08pm

re: #380 talon_262

Which is a shame, because Paul Verhoeven had and has shown he’s a damn good director that knows how satirize (see Robocop, among others).

I’m sorry, but the man who directed Showgirls has lost any right to be let anywhere near a peice of classic sci-fi literature

387 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:47:21pm

re: #383 b_sharp

Sure. Randomly. This keeps the rest on their toes.

388 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:47:25pm

re: #385 sattv4u2

Oh man I said I enjoyed this, but I’m getting a headache. I think I’d rather argue about old Scifi.

Lets take a raincheck, ‘kay?

389 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:48:00pm

re: #377 windsagio

Ever read the sequel?

390 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:48:41pm

re: #373 sattv4u2

Came here from Boston 11 years ago

Live about 90 minutes straight east of Atlanta

I live south of Atlanta about an hour.

391 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:49:15pm

re: #330 AntonSirius

Starship Troopers is a fantastic movie. It’s also a terrible adaptation of the book. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

re: #349 b_sharp

It was a terrible movie.

Starship Troopers was a craptastic movie. So bad that it wraps around to become awesome, like Showgirls and Point Break.

Point Break Live stars a new Keanu for every show, chosen from the audience to read from cue cards.

392 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:49:19pm

re: #389 Rightwingconspirator

To which? >>

If you mean Starship Troopers, didn’t know it had one.

393 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:49:56pm

re: #381 sattv4u2

yeah ,, but how good do you look in mukluks!?!?

I live in Canada. We all look special in mukluks and toques.

394 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:50:44pm

re: #389 Rightwingconspirator

Ever read the sequel?

There was no direct sequel

395 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:52:10pm

re: #390 brownbagj

I live south of Atlanta about an hour.

Cool. Ever make it up to the Emory area (near where I work) lunch is on me

396 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:54:12pm

re: #395 sattv4u2

Sweet. We will do it.

397 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:57:34pm

re: #359 jamesfirecat

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Like I said look at this as a “he said, she said” argument.

Assume that there was too much yelling going on of various things to have a clear recording.

Assume that maybe the congressman didn’t have a cell phone on him or some other handi-recording device.

Why is this congressman’s word not good enough for you?

Do you think a man of his caliber wanted to stir up some pathetic little racism tiff just because he could?

I have said what I think…. But I will expand it you insist.

IF the N word was used so much at Tea Party protests, then there would be a lot of tape with it.

I know that there have been some racist signs, and some racists attending, but I believe they are the exceptions. I also think they are marginalized. UNLIKE the racism at the anti Bush rallies. I think that the sudden “OMG that person is comparing the President to Hitler” realization is hypocritical, at best.

AND to bring it back to topic, I think the throwing around of the racist label without really good proof is wrong. I don’t like it when the right does it, and I don’t like it when the left does it.

However here we have example after example of people saying the most horrible things.

I am against that.

398 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:59:32pm

re: #394 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #392 windsagio

Sorry guys my bad. I confused Starship Troopers with Forever War by Haldeman. Then Forever Free & Forever Peace. Long time since I read them.

399 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:00:20pm

re: #397 Buck

Wow.

You think there is less racism against Obama the Tea Party stuff than there was against Bush at anti-Bush rallies.

You are fucking insane.

400 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:00:22pm

re: #398 Rightwingconspirator

That is very different indeed!

We all do it tho’, no prob :)

401 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:01:16pm

re: #399 Obdicut

Wow.

You think there is less racism against Obama the Tea Party stuff than there was against Bush at anti-Bush rallies.

You are fucking insane.

What racism was there at the anti-Bush rallies?

402 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:01:38pm

re: #397 Buck

I have said what I think… But I will expand it you insist.

IF the N word was used so much at Tea Party protests, then there would be a lot of tape with it.

I know that there have been some racist signs, and some racists attending, but I believe they are the exceptions. I also think they are marginalized. UNLIKE the racism at the anti Bush rallies. I think that the sudden “OMG that person is comparing the President to Hitler” realization is hypocritical, at best.

AND to bring it back to topic, I think the throwing around of the racist label without really good proof is wrong. I don’t like it when the right does it, and I don’t like it when the left does it.

However here we have example after example of people saying the most horrible things.

I am against that.

I never argue that the N word is said several times at many different tea party protests.

The entire argument was that a black member of Congress was walking to pass the helathcare bill. He claims to have been called the N word.

There is sadly no video proof either way but he doesn’t care about pressing charges.

This is court of public opinion.

Why do you refuse to believe his words that on at particular event, in that particular situation a tea partier choose to commit a racist action?

403 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:01:51pm

re: #401 b_sharp

The made up kind of racism that lets racists deny their own racism.

(that was fun to type!)

404 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:02:04pm

re: #353 Obdicut

Meh. I think it’s a crappy movie, sorry. It’s one-note satire.

More three-chord than one-note, IMO. Certainly no less subtle than Robocop.

One of my personal dream projects would be for Verhoeven to do to Atlas Shrugged what he did to Starship Troopers. Of course, filming it straight would still produce an amazing comedy, which is what happened with the Fountainhead.

405 Nimed  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:02:56pm

re: #392 windsagio

To which? >>

If you mean Starship Troopers, didn’t know it had one.

We have similar tastes in sci-fi. :)

Caves of Steel and the Rama series are great. Have you read The Naked Sun?

406 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:04:06pm

re: #405 Nimed

We have similar tastes in sci-fi. :)

Caves of Steel and the Rama series are great. Have you read The Naked Sun?

Yes, of course.

(I know I’m not Obdi, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn once)

407 simoom  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:04:08pm

This whole episode goes to show why the whole FOX narrative where the Obama admin constantly and zealously peruses racial issues on all fronts is so silly. The truth, and it was the case back during the presidential campaign too, is that the Obama team is absolutely terrified of getting caught up in black/white racial politics and they typically do everything their power to tamp down, bury or run away from those sorts of stories. Whether or not the WH was directly involved in Sherrod’s resignation, I’d imagine that culture at the top had some effect on the USDA acting with such reckless haste.

408 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:04:20pm

re: #405 Nimed

Yes!

Its actually better than Caves, in my opinion, but I didn’t wanna take the time to look the name up.

That whole series is way better than Foundation (PS: Did you see theyh’re doing a terrible 3D cgi version of Foundation? I’m already cringing !)

409 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:05:22pm

re: #399 Obdicut

Wow.

You think there is less racism against Obama the Tea Party stuff than there was against Bush at anti-Bush rallies.

You are fucking insane.

I count antisemetism as racist…. do you?

410 Nimed  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:05:23pm

re: #398 Rightwingconspirator

re: #392 windsagio

Sorry guys my bad. I confused Starship Troopers with Forever War by Haldeman. Then Forever Free & Forever Peace. Long time since I read them.

It’s funny, because those Starship Troopers and the Forever War are often contrasted by their take on military conflict (never read The Forever War myself).

411 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:05:58pm

re: #409 Buck

lol.

412 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:06:36pm

re: #408 windsagio

Yes!

Its actually better than Caves, in my opinion, but I didn’t wanna take the time to look the name up.

That whole series is way better than Foundation (PS: Did you see theyh’re doing a terrible 3D cgi version of Foundation? I’m already cringing !)

Meanwhile, we can’t get a Gaunt’s Ghosts movie off the ground.

413 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:07:33pm

re: #412 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Meanwhile, we can’t get a Gaunt’s Ghosts movie off the ground.

We need a Caphias Cain movie while Bruce Camble still looks the part!

414 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:07:39pm

re: #412 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Be careful what you wish for >>

Altho’ (if I rmemeber right, haven’t actually read those) that series would at least do well by a modern hollywood treatment ;)

415 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:08:52pm

To jump back, I think the original Bill the Galactic Hero (not the bad ’80s sequels) handily and completely destroyed Starship Troopers, even though it wasn’t even aimed in that direction.

416 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:11:02pm

re: #402 jamesfirecat

Why do you refuse to believe his words that on at particular event, in that particular situation a tea partier choose to commit a racist action?

James, you keep putting words in my mouth.

However when I do see video of that exact same congressman walking at that exact same protest… I notice many of his staff carrying video recording devices.

Now maybe a racist did use the N word. Not necessarily a “tea partier”.

BUT like I have said many times, compared to the antisemitism at the anti war rallies it must have been fleeting and marginalized.

417 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:11:29pm

re: #413 jamesfirecat

We need a Caphias Cain movie while Bruce Camble still looks the part!

I would except Ryan Reynolds or Bradley Cooper as reasonable stand ins for Ciaphis Cain.

For Commisar Gaunt, Guy Pierce or Raplh Fiennes.

Rawne needs to be played by Robert Carlyle.

418 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:12:45pm

re: #416 Buck

James, you keep putting words in my mouth.

However when I do see video of that exact same congressman walking at that exact same protest… I notice many of his staff carrying video recording devices.

Now maybe a racist did use the N word. Not necessarily a “tea partier”.

BUT like I have said many times, compared to the antisemitism at the anti war rallies it must have been fleeting and marginalized.

Okay, I’ll play your game though my retinas may regret it, lets see some proof of this antisemitism in picture form…

419 Nimed  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:13:02pm

re: #408 windsagio

Yes!

Its actually better than Caves, in my opinion, but I didn’t wanna take the time to look the name up.

Yeah, it’s better in terms of the literary quality of the stories. The Foundation will always have a place in my heart though — it caught me at the right age, and the concept psychohistory blew my mind.

That whole series is way better than Foundation (PS: Did you see theyh’re doing a terrible 3D cgi version of Foundation? I’m already cringing !)

Gaah. Isn’t it enough to have mauled I, Robot? WHEN WILL IT STOP?

420 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:13:24pm

re: #418 jamesfirecat

You know what he’s going to use right? I sure do.

421 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:14:10pm

re: #419 Nimed

When they’re out of ideas to ‘license’.


Feel bad for my generation tho’, we’re starting to seriously have kids, so its time for them to rape all the icons of our childhood.

422 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:14:32pm

re: #419 Nimed

Gaah. Isn’t it enough to have mauled I, Robot? WHEN WILL IT STOP?

When they’ve milked the last possible dollar from its dead broken corpse.

423 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:14:45pm

re: #420 windsagio

You know what he’s going to use right? I sure do.

No but mainly because I am a poor nieve former college student who still lives in his parents basement.

Though in point of fact, the basement really is the nicest room in our house….

424 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:17:17pm

re: #423 jamesfirecat

I live in a basement too! Altho’ I”m paying for mine ;)

Its really nice when the temp outside is over 90, like 20 degrees cooler in here.

I’ll give you a tip tho’… He’s going to try to show that the anti-war rallies against Bush were ‘anti-semitic’ in some way (because you know, hating invading Iraq means you also hate Israel).

It probably makes perfect sense to him tho’ >

425 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:17:39pm

re: #384 windsagio

Next time I get to Powells. It has been a while.

Its simply no Caves of Steel or Rama tho’

Rama’s one I’ve never understood the reverence for. It’s neat, but I didn’t think it was anything beyond that.

426 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:17:50pm

re: #405 Nimed

We have similar tastes in sci-fi. :)

Caves of Steel and the Rama series are great. Have you read The Naked Sun?

You know who own the movie rights to Rendezvous With Rama? Morgan Freeman, and he is walking it around Hollywood.
Fake but cool trailer…
coronacomingattractions.com

427 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:19:46pm

re: #425 AntonSirius

Its just really excellent. No overt message or anything, but just amazingly, convincingly written and plotted.

My favorite Clarke story is Against the fall of the night, but its a different beast from what we normally describe as ‘great science fiction’.

428 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:19:54pm
429 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:21:21pm

re: #428 Buck

Lol, zombie.

430 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:22:13pm

re: #409 Buck

I count antisemetism as racist… do you?

Yes. And there was not a lot of anti-Semitic material at anti-bush rallies. At all.

The Tea Parties, however, and the Mr. Beck you love to defend, are both closely linked to the Birchers, who are viciously anti-semitic.

431 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:23:57pm

re: #427 windsagio

Its just really excellent. No overt message or anything, but just amazingly, convincingly written and plotted.

My favorite Clarke story is Against the fall of the night, but its a different beast from what we normally describe as ‘great science fiction’.

Yeah, love that one, love 2001, love Childhood’s End… but Rama never did it for me.

Mind you, the thing I really want to see in terms of harder spec fic is an HBO series adaptation of Gerrold’s War Against the Chtorr series, assuming he actually finishes it and doesn’t pull a Robert Jordan on us.

432 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:24:29pm

re: #429 windsagio

Lol, zombie.

You can lol “zombie” all you want

I’m NOT laughing at the images (and sentiments) though
“Smash the Jewish State”
Uncle Sam saying “I want you to die for Israel” with a swastika as the “S” in Israel

yech !

433 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:26:20pm

re: #428 Buck

Really? I thought everyone knew about this.

[Link: zombietime.com…]

I’ll give you the following.

Image: Zionist_Pigs_Jew_devil.jpg

Is Racist

And ohh boy is this racist….

Image: IMG_7966.JPG

And so is this…

Image: I_Want_You_to_Die_4_Israel.jpg

This as well is

Image: 126-2634_IMG.JPG

This is doubtlessly anti-isreal.
Image: 125-2546_IMG.JPG


Yep
Image: 125-2524_IMG.JPG

Another one…

Image: IMG_7953.JPG

Same…

Image: IMG_7952.JPG

Again…

Image: 120-2049_IMG.JPG

That’s 9 pics of anti-semistim.

If I find nine racist signs would you be willing to agree that the Tea-party is just as racist as the anti-war movement?

If I find 10 would you agree the tea party is worse?

434 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:26:33pm

re: #432 sattv4u2

Its anecdotal evidence from one of the crazier cities in the country against the well-documented and OUTRIGHT hate spread by tea party organizers and leaders.

No meaningful anti-war organizations would do anything but condemn the people in those photos.

Of course you know all that.

435 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:27:06pm

re: #432 sattv4u2

And seroiusly, zombie is scum.

436 Nimed  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:27:25pm

re: #426 Rightwingconspirator

You know who own the movie rights to Rendezvous With Rama? Morgan Freeman, and he is walking it around Hollywood.
Fake but cool trailer…
[Link: coronacomingattractions.com…]

That rocked!

437 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:28:29pm

re: #435 windsagio

And seroiusly, zombie is scum.

And I’m sure you always told him/her that while she/he was here!

438 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:29:07pm

re: #434 windsagio

Its anecdotal evidence

Not defending Buck, but he was asked to ‘show evidence’

439 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:29:13pm

re: #437 sattv4u2

Luckily I was never directly exposed to that poison.

On the other hand, look at my record, you think I wouldn’t have? :D

440 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:30:09pm

re: #438 sattv4u2

I can totally grant you that. That being said, its still stupid for the reasons stated.

Buck is just looking for some way to support his “The other side is racist and evil, not me!” disease.

441 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:31:23pm

re: #439 windsagio

Luckily I was never directly exposed to that poison.

On the other hand, look at my record, you think I wouldn’t have? :D

In that climate,, during that time (when she/he was here) and was a regular contributor ??
No ,, no I don’t ,,,

442 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:32:09pm

re: #441 sattv4u2

Not saying I wouldn’t have been banned ;)

443 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:32:56pm

re: #440 windsagio

I can totally grant you that. That being said, its still stupid for the reasons stated.

Buck is just looking for some way to support his “The other side is racist and evil, not me!” disease.

I think he’s more saying “YOU’RE (not you, personally) side is racist and evil also, but you (again, not YOU) don’t admit and/or mention it”

444 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:33:30pm

re: #443 sattv4u2

Yeah, but I’m positing that he’s doing it so he doesn’t have to look at himself.

445 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:33:50pm

re: #442 windsagio

Not saying I wouldn’t have been banned ;)

Nahh,, you would have disagreed without being disagreeable,, and imho, thats great. Thats what “this” should be all about

446 Nimed  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:34:08pm

re: #441 sattv4u2

In that climate,, during that time (when she/he was here) and was a regular contributor ??
No ,, no I don’t ,,,

Well, that climate is not exactly something to have fond memories of.

447 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:34:45pm

re: #446 Nimed

Well, that climate is not exactly something to have fond memories of.

Like every other timeframe,, there was the good,, there was the bad

448 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:36:11pm

re: #445 sattv4u2

The real answer is that there’s a reason I didn’t actually register to LGF until when I did (well I wanted to several months earlier, kept missing windows).

Not saying it was bad necessarily, but it sure as hell would have been bad for me! I had enough troubles at the time without constantly being outraged ;)

449 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:37:16pm

re: #433 jamesfirecat

If I find 10 would you agree the tea party is worse?

No, because that was a summary of the worst in 6 years.

If you really need to see the whole picture you would need to do more than five minutes research.

I guess you need to look at all the zombietime protest pictures….The site documents years of anti american racism.

NOW THE POINT is that this went on, and was barely reported. No outrage (like you see today). NBC, CBS, CNN…. no outrage. The NAACP? No outrage. The Hollyweird left? No outrage.

I have said before…. you get a pass cause you were just a teenager.

450 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:37:24pm

re: #447 sattv4u2

I’m guessing that to Nimed and I it would have been alot more bad.

The culture has changed alot since late 2009, let alone since the great purge.

451 Nimed  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:37:30pm

re: #447 sattv4u2

Like every other timeframe,, there was the good,, there was the bad

I didn’t want to do this to you sat, but that answer leaves me no choice. I hope you understand.

Youtube Video
452 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:40:03pm

re: #440 windsagio

I can totally grant you that. That being said, its still stupid for the reasons stated.

Buck is just looking for some way to support his “The other side is racist and evil, not me!” disease.

I was doing nothing of the sort.

You can pretend that this didn’t happen… but it did, and it continues today on KOS and Huff.

453 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:40:06pm

re: #451 Nimed

I declare the thread won!

So on to better things :D

Like lunch.

454 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:42:32pm

re: #449 Buck

No, because that was a summary of the worst in 6 years.

If you really need to see the whole picture you would need to do more than five minutes research.

I guess you need to look at all the zombietime protest pictures…The site documents years of anti american racism.

NOW THE POINT is that this went on, and was barely reported. No outrage (like you see today). NBC, CBS, CNN… no outrage. The NAACP? No outrage. The Hollyweird left? No outrage.

I have said before… you get a pass cause you were just a teenager.

So there is nothing that I could possibly do to make you believe that racism is more prevalent in the tea party than it was in the anti-war movement?

Nothing?

Not even a look into issues like figuring out the number of racist signs per member of group?

Seriously? Nothing?

455 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:42:48pm

re: #451 Nimed

I didn’t want to do this to you sat, but that answer leaves me no choice. I hope you understand.


[Video]

hold on

I have that on an 8 track somewhere in my VW Bus!

456 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:43:44pm

re: #434 windsagio

Its anecdotal evidence

In what way? Do you really think Zombie made those signs and took pictures of them?

You doubt that they were really there? You think there is any doubt about the antisemitism on the left?

“The protocols of daily kos” mean anything to you?

457 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:46:55pm

re: #456 Buck

What about the antisemitism of Beck, the Birchers, Ron Paul, Buchanan, and the Tea Party, Buck?

458 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:48:45pm

re: #454 jamesfirecat

So there is nothing that I could possibly do to make you believe that racism is more prevalent in the tea party than it was in the anti-war movement?

Nothing?

Not even a look into issues like figuring out the number of racist signs per member of group?

Seriously? Nothing?

You can’t convince me, because you don’t know. You didn’t even know about the racism at protests on the left before an hour ago.

Do a search ON THIS SITE… LGF…. for ZOMBIE and Protocols of dailykos

Do the research….

459 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:49:35pm

re: #456 Buck

I caught this in the spy, thought it was worth fisking.

In what way? Do you really think Zombie made those signs and took pictures of them?


Do you know what ‘anecdotal evidence’ even means? Hint: It doesn’t mean ‘manufactured’.

You doubt that they were really there? You think there is any doubt about the antisemitism on the left?

Never said that, what I did say is that it was never mainstreamed or supported by prominent left leaders (like say the Teaparty Racism is).

“The protocols of daily kos” mean anything to you?

No but it sounds entertainingly crazy, care to share it with me?

460 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:50:25pm

re: #458 Buck

You can’t convince me, because you don’t know. You didn’t even know about the racism at protests on the left before an hour ago.

Do a search ON THIS SITE… LGF… for ZOMBIE and Protocols of dailykos

Do the research…

If there’s NOTHING I can do then we’re done here.

I’m not going to do research on an issue if no amount of research can shake your stance on the issue. It’d be a waste of time.

Let me know when you’re ready to debate rather than monologue.

461 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:50:32pm

re: #457 Obdicut

What about the antisemitism of Beck, the Birchers, Ron Paul, Buchanan, and the Tea Party, Buck?

I am against it. I have not seen any from Beck, but I am vary anti Birchers, Ron Paul, and Buchanan. I will add truthers to that list.

The tea party? Well, I am unconvinced as a group they are antisemitic.

462 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:52:04pm

re: #459 windsagio

It means from a unreliable source. I do know what it means, but you fail to explain how it could not be true.

463 windsagio  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:54:36pm

re: #462 Buck

lol.

Here let me help you:

Evidence, which may itself be true and verifiable, used to deduce a conclusion which does not follow from it, usually by generalizing from an insufficient amount of evidence. For example “my grandfather smoked like a chimney and died healthy in a car crash at the age of 99” does not disprove the proposition that “smoking markedly increases the probability of cancer and heart disease at a relatively early age”. In this case, the evidence may itself be true, but does not warrant the conclusion.
464 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:54:59pm

re: #460 jamesfirecat

If there’s NOTHING I can do then we’re done here.

I’m not going to do research on an issue if no amount of research can shake your stance on the issue. It’d be a waste of time.

Let me know when you’re ready to debate rather than monologue.

I am willing to debate, but you admit you don’t know what was going on back then.

You need to do the research, find out what I am talking about. There is a ton of evidence… I gave you two great links.

465 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:56:05pm

re: #464 Buck

I am willing to debate, but you admit you don’t know what was going on back then.

You need to do the research, find out what I am talking about. There is a ton of evidence… I gave you two great links.

Once again, I’m not going to play if I don’t know the rules or where the end zones are.

What would I have to do to convince you that the Tea Party is more racist?

466 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:56:45pm

re: #463 windsagio

lol.

Here let me help you:

Which conclusion do you take from the pictures?

And the antisemetic posts on KOS?

467 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:57:38pm

re: #465 jamesfirecat

Once again, I’m not going to play if I don’t know the rules or where the end zones are.

What would I have to do to convince you that the Tea Party is more racist?

I think whats he’s saying is that you can’t determine if they are “more racist” unless you know how racist (anti-semetic, in this case) the other side was

468 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:58:18pm

re: #462 Buck

It means from a unreliable source. I do know what it means, but you fail to explain how it could not be true.

It doesn’t mean from an unreliable source, no.

469 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:01:07pm

re: #462 Buck

It means from a unreliable source. I do know what it means, but you fail to explain how it could not be true.

uh ,, no

It means taking a small piece of evidence and concluding because of that you now have the whole picture

470 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:01:53pm

re: #467 sattv4u2

I think whats he’s saying is that you can’t determine if they are “more racist” unless you know how racist (anti-semetic, in this case) the other side was

That’s a fair point, but I’d appreciate it if he just came out and say, do I have to find once more racist tea party sign than he can find racist anti-war sign? Do we crunch the numbers to figure out the ratio of racist signs per member of group?

There are a lot of ways of measuring all of this and I’d like to know which one he wants to use.

471 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:03:01pm

re: #465 jamesfirecat

Once again, I’m not going to play if I don’t know the rules or where the end zones are.

What would I have to do to convince you that the Tea Party is more racist?

Fine, gather daily racist forum discussions from sites that say they are a gathering of tea party members.
Then, find ten or more pictures of UNIQUE signs from more than ten tea party protests.

Then find me a book or two from the tea party that are racist, and are celebrated by the tea party.

I will do the other side, and we can present the evidence at dawn.

472 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:04:27pm

re: #471 Buck

Fine, gather daily racist forum discussions from sites that say they are a gathering of tea party members.
Then, find ten or more pictures of UNIQUE signs from more than ten tea party protests.

Then find me a book or two from the tea party that are racist, and are celebrated by the tea party.

I will do the other side, and we can present the evidence at dawn.

Probably going to need more time than just “dawn” to do all that, but thanks you for setting out the terms.

473 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:05:19pm

re: #470 jamesfirecat

That’s a fair point, but I’d appreciate it if he just came out and say, do I have to find once more racist tea party sign than he can find racist anti-war sign? Do we crunch the numbers to figure out the ratio of racist signs per member of group?

There are a lot of ways of measuring all of this and I’d like to know which one he wants to use.

I doubt theres any way to really quantify, actually

I despise both, and leave it at that

474 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:06:46pm

re: #473 sattv4u2

There is a way to quantify.

The anti-Semitic signs, etc., are being held by random people at random events.

Meanwhile, some of the tea party speakers are actual anti-Semites, white supremacists just got to write a low in Arizona, and Limbaugh race-baits constantly while being praised by the GOP.

The difference is the importance of those doing the racist shit.

475 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:07:20pm

re: #470 jamesfirecat

re: #473 sattv4u2

I doubt theres any way to really quantify, actually

I despise both, and leave it at that

FURTHER

and whilst doing that, I don’t condemn ALL who attended either rally. I condemn the anti-semetic moonbats that attended those that are chronicled in the photos posted and I condemn the knuckle draggers that showed up at Tea Party rallies

476 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:11:00pm

re: #474 Obdicut

You don’t think there were anti-semites that spoke/ organized any of those other rallies? I’m seriously asking because except for making fun of Scrotum Man et al, I really didn’t pay much attention to them. I really don’t know

I suspect there were though

477 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:11:08pm

re: #472 jamesfirecat

Probably going to need more time than just “dawn” to do all that, but thanks you for setting out the terms.

You are being purposely dense. My point was that it went on before. And it was really bad. You are stuck on better and worse. I would like you to learn that it was pretty bad. And the Democratic leaders who are pretending to be all horrified over protests that compare the president with hitler are not being truthful. When it suits them, they don’t have any problem with it.

478 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:13:46pm

re: #476 sattv4u2

You don’t think there were anti-semites that spoke/ organized any of those other rallies? I’m seriously asking because except for making fun of Scrotum Man et al, I really didn’t pay much attention to them. I really don’t know

I suspect there were though

Cindy Sheehan?

479 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:18:21pm

re: #478 Buck

Cindy Sheehan?

Speaker, yes
organizer, I don’t believe so
Anti-semite, I pray not, but don’t know

480 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:20:04pm

re: #474 Obdicut

There is a way to quantify.

The anti-Semitic signs, etc., are being held by random people at random events.

Seriously? OK, fine….you keep thinking that.

Jimmy Carter? A random person. Writing a book with a random title, that just happens to match exactly with a bunch of signs….

481 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:21:11pm

re: #480 Buck

I’m sorry, I thought you were talking about shit that happened under Bush. Now you’re talking about Jimmy Carter.

I believe you’re honest. That’s why I think you’re crazy.

482 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:25:15pm

re: #479 sattv4u2

Speaker, yes
organizer, I don’t believe so
Anti-semite, I pray not, but don’t know

Oh well this isn’t fair.

AP Whitewashes Antisemite “War Critic”

483 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:28:20pm

re: #481 Obdicut

I’m sorry, I thought you were talking about shit that happened under Bush. Now you’re talking about Jimmy Carter.

I believe you’re honest. That’s why I think you’re crazy.

What Jimmy Carter did during the Bush administration?

You say random people, not leaders….

Maybe you didn’t know he was an antisemite? And may you didn’t know he wrote an antisemitic book about Israel titled Apartheid? And maybe you didn’t know that many of those random signs accused Israel of apartheid?

I don’t know what you know, if you don’t know that.

484 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:35:51pm

re: #483 Buck

What position did Jimmy Carter hold under the Bush administration?

In what manner is he a contemporary leader?

485 Buck  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:41:42pm

re: #484 Obdicut

What position did Jimmy Carter hold under the Bush administration?

In what manner is he a contemporary leader?

Your first question is pure snark. None of the tea party people are holding positions in the Obama administration…

I don’t know how to answer your send question. There are many who believe the tide turned for Obama against Hillary when Carter threw his support behind him. You talk about “the importance of those doing the racist shit”. I think former president JC might be important.

486 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 4:44:59pm

re: #485 Buck

Your first question is pure snark. None of the tea party people are holding positions in the Obama administration…

It wasn’t snark. What position did Carter hold while Bush was president? Not in the administration.

Your sole example of any high-level liberal or Democrat who’s exhibiting antisemitism is Jimmy Carter.

Meanwhile, we have Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh, Beck, the Birchers pushing anti-semitism.

But you’re convinced that the left showed more antisemitism.

You know what? Through their stupid fucking use of holocaust and Nazi imagery, the Tea Party fucks are more antisemitic than the left ever was. They use it just as much— plus they include really virulent antisemitism, like that espoused by Ron Paul.

Fuck it. I’m done with you. As I said, I think you’re honest. And crazy.

487 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 6:17:24pm

re: #204 Obdicut

Starship Troopers is one of his most misunderstood novels, mainly because it’s actually really good and well-worked-out philosophically, unlike his creepy semi-biological defenses of incest.

The shitty movie that turned it into satire didn’t help, neither.

I thought it was a bad choice to use insects from outer space as the enemy. Talk about a enemy you don’t have to bother to have moral feelings toward.

488 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 6:18:08pm

re: #208 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As one buddy once put it, early Heinlein, hard scifi, post stroke Heinlein, TITTIES!

Women come off rather boring and cheeseburgerish in both sections.

489 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 6:39:58pm

re: #487 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought it was a bad choice to use insects from outer space as the enemy. Talk about a enemy you don’t have to bother to have moral feelings toward.

But the soldiers did still wrestle with moral decisions, actually.


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