Full Sherrod Video Sent to NAACP

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To excuse his dishonest editing, Andrew Breitbart is claiming he doesn’t have the full video of Shirley Sherrod’s speech to the NAACP. Do you believe him?

Meanwhile, according to TPM, the company that shot the video has sent the full thing to the NAACP, and they say that the full video backs up Sherrod’s claims.

We’ll probably be seeing the complete video before the end of the day, and this is going to blow up in Andrew Breitbart’s face.

UPDATE at 7/20/10 12:07:23 pm:

Andrew Breitbart is apparently now reversing his earlier statement and claiming to have the full video.

Breitbart tells TPM: Sure, I’ll release the entire Shirley Sherrod video — if I can get permission.

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204 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:34:53am

Lets hope it leaves him feeling scorched enough that he doesn't try something like this ever again...

2 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:35:32am
We’ll probably be seeing the complete video before the end of the day, and this is going to blow up in Andrew Breitbart’s face.

Your lips to Hashem's ears.

3 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:36:00am

Hopefully the upcoming full video can ruin his cred essentially forever.

4 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:36:43am

re: #1 jamesfirecat

Lets hope it leaves him feeling scorched enough that he doesn't try something like this ever again...

Let's hope it results in a very potent law suit from someone like SPLC that costs him so much to defend he is out of business even before he has to pay damages. Let's hope it nails Fox too.

5 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:38:14am

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

Hopefully the upcoming full video can ruin his cred essentially forever.

Amongst the wingnuts, it won't hurt his cred one iota. Even if an all white jury found him guilty in a libel trial, it would be painted as the progressive "race traitors" "lynching" an "innocent" white man. And, they would be crass enough to use those words.

6 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:38:59am

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

Hopefully the upcoming full video can ruin his cred essentially forever.

He never had any credibility. That's why Breitbart is the troll that he is.

7 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:40:20am

re: #4 LudwigVanQuixote

Let's hope it results in a very potent law suit from someone like SPLC that costs him so much to defend he is out of business even before he has to pay damages. Let's hope it nails Fox too.

There are alot of excellent lawyers working for the SPLC. And they all work for free. They would LOVE to cost Breitbart millions in legal fees.

8 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:41:24am

My guess, his next "defense" will be that he doesn't have the full tape because he already tried contacting the company and, as TPM found out, couldn't get access to it because the NAACP won't allow anybody to see it. Perhaps even make the back-handed accusation that the real tape is even more damning and that we'll never see it because it would "prove" the NAACP was wrong for stepping back from their initial condemnation.

9 greygandalf  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:43:44am

re: #7 Fozzie Bear

There are alot of excellent lawyers working for the SPLC. And they all work for free. They would LOVE to cost Breitbart millions in legal fees.


Can you be sued for taking sound bytes of a video and putting them together?

10 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:44:04am

My first post on this is going up on Fark.com in less than 2 hours, so be ready for a big traffic surge.

[Link: www.fark.com...]

11 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:44:30am

re: #9 greygandalf

Can you be sued for taking sound bytes of a video and putting them together?

It's possible.

12 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:47:16am

I knew this story would have legs. Especially after seeing that video salad Breitbart created. Completely edited and if the viewer doesn't pay close attention and do a little research they may come away with the wrong impression.

13 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:47:22am

re: #11 Fozzie Bear

It's possible.


What you say.

"Our copmany is skilled in many other truly significant areas which are not reported by the biased media."

What gets on tape

"Our compnay --- killed -- m--- other---- t-- -------- e-- re--- sa....

14 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:48:51am

re: #10 Charles

My first post on this is going up on Fark.com in less than 2 hours, so be ready for a big traffic surge.

[Link: www.fark.com...]

Will there be a bunch of trolls to roast too my captain?

15 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:50:28am

Prepare for another night of Twitter outrage from Breitbart. Regardless of what happens I'm pretty sure he's already having a kanip.

16 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:52:46am

Hey now, Breitboy was just asking questions, pointing out some concerns is all.

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17 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:52:49am

re: #15 Gus 802

Prepare for another night of Twitter outrage from Breitbart. Regardless of what happens I'm pretty sure he's already having a kanip.

He's already getting his excuses in line. Expect 31 flavors of reasons why we must take his side in this or at least be thankful that he brought this "awful" incident to light. Hell, depending what's on the full tape, he might even try to argue that we should be "thankful" that he made it possible for this tape to come into the public spotlight.

18 JeffM70  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:54:01am

Mayhap Andrew will find himself on the wrong end of a lawsuit. Somebody should point out to Ann Althouse that this is an example of defamation.

19 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:54:04am

re: #7 Fozzie Bear

There are alot of excellent lawyers working for the SPLC. And they all work for free. They would LOVE to cost Breitbart millions in legal fees.

Yes indeed. I want Sherrod to sue Breitbart for defamation. I want the NAACP to join suit as well. Let the knuckle-scrapers whine and seethe and accuse them of racism. Who cares. Breitbart needs to be held accountable.

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:56:00am

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He might even try to argue that we should be "thankful" that he made it possible for this tape to come into the public spotlight.

Yunno, I would like the message of Sherrod's speech to be made known to more people: that America still has to address the issue of race on a daily basis, sometimes under rather difficult and trying circumstances, but it does not have to be an issue that drags us down.

21 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:56:54am

re: #19 eclectic infidel

Yes indeed. I want Sherrod to sue Breitbart for defamation. I want the NAACP to join suit as well. Let the knuckle-scrapers whine and seethe and accuse them of racism. Who cares. Breitbart needs to be held accountable.

The beauty of the SPLC is that once the judgments come down, the war is won. The wingnuts simply do not have the funds to operate.

22 JeffM70  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:58:15am

But of course Andrew will try to make himself out as the real victim. I wuz dooped.

23 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:58:46am
this is going to blow up in Andrew Breitbart’s face.

Andy lives well inside the bubble. There will be no comeuppance. You hear me? No comeuppance!!

24 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:59:05am

Breitbart told Kurtz of TPH that he has the entire video.

25 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:59:21am

re: #24 Fozzie Bear

that's *TPM* PIMF

26 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:00:01pm

Breitbart to be on CNN tonight, as reported by Ali Velshi.

27 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:00:25pm

OT:

From the "it could always be worse" storyline. My buddies uncle went into the hospital on friday for a triple heart bypass. While he was in the recovery room after his surgery his wife had a massive heart attack and died. How screwed up is that?

I'm taking off for the afternoon. Be nice to each other......buttholes/

28 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:00:26pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Prepare for another night of Twitter outrage from Breitbart. Regardless of what happens I'm pretty sure he's already having a kanip.

So far all he has done is retweet what others are saying about him the last I looked.
I have a feeling he is moving on to the next outrageous outrage...
journolist
dumdum duuuuuuuummmmm

29 elizajane  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:01:09pm

You think it will blow back on Breitbart? Just like the ACORN story did, right? Because everybody now admits that those tapes were cut and pasted to largely fake the entire story, and of course ACORN has been publicly exonerated and is now doing fine, right? Just a few days ago, Michelle Bachman (R-Mars) claimed that ACORN was one of the organizations out to get her, so she clearly believes that they're still at work out there...

It'll be like "Climategate". Because now everybody in the USA knows that the whole thing was a fabrication and that every investigation has found the scientists completely innocent of any wrongdoing. Right?

Once the thing is out there on the right, it never dies. At best, it gets rewritten into something that's basically just a huge mistake on the part of Obama.

As the Journolist e-mails are plumbed for racism, is anybody asking--who sold them? For how much? Is this now okay?

I am disgusted by this kind of tabloid political journalism. It's pernicious and wholly destructive.

30 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:01:22pm

re: #27 RogueOne

OT:

From the "it could always be worse" storyline. My buddies uncle went into the hospital on friday for a triple heart bypass. While he was in the recovery room after his surgery his wife had a massive heart attack and died. How screwed up is that?

I'm taking off for the afternoon. Be nice to each other...buttholes/

That is so sad and terrible.

31 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:02:04pm

Charles, you realize that when Sherrod announced that she wouldn't appear on the show, it will be taken by those who think that she indeed said all those bad things while as an employee of the federal government as an explicit admission of guilt, rather than someone thinking better of being a pawn in a much larger pissing match.

Breitbart knew, or had reason to know that he didn't have the full tape of the incident at issue, but went ahead with it anyway. He can't now claim that he didn't know the full tape was available when it was apparently quite easily obtainable from the very company that took the video.

In the meantime, this woman's been dragged through the mud for recounting an incident of bad judgment. And some folks on the right think that the reactions from the crowd at the NAACP is the real story.

This is yet another outrageous outrage in a long long long line of outrageous outrage (which goes all the way back to the yellow journalism days around the turn of the 20th century - and even earlier) and frankly have a hard time keeping track of the outrageous outrages of the day and most folks who aren't in the blogosphere spend even less time - so they just see and read headlines - namely that the NAACP denounced Sherrod and that the USDA canned her. And most people will merrily move along until the next headline.

32 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:02:25pm

Anybody who has the ears of enough people, and wants a revolution, will eventually get one. Is it really in doubt that this is what the right wants?

33 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:03:04pm

re: #22 JeffM70

But of course Andrew will try to make himself out as the real victim. I wuz dooped.

That's right. He's not stupid he's just doopid. Yo.

34 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:03:51pm

Breitbart is such a one trick pony. How much longer can he keep manipulating videos and expecting knee-jerk reactions like this? Shouldn't people start looking at edited videos of black people being racist and go "cut it out Brietbart" and keep on going?

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:05:23pm

re: #31 lawhawk

Do you understand how why it's all shouting and bullet points out there?

Any attempt at nuance, anything that can be twisted out of context and turned against you can and will be taken at face value and can cost you your career.

We are seeing the death of public discourse in this country.

36 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:05:24pm

re: #34 Conservative Moonbat

Breitbart is such a one trick pony. How much longer can he keep manipulating videos and expecting knee-jerk reactions like this? Shouldn't people start looking at edited videos of black people being racist and go "cut it out Brietbart" and keep on going?

It will work forever with an audience as racist as his.

37 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:05:26pm

re: #20 ralphieboy

Yunno, I would like the message of Sherrod's speech to be made known to more people: that America still has to address the issue of race on a daily basis, sometimes under rather difficult and trying circumstances, but it does not have to be an issue that drags us down.

From just I've heard so far, I find it rather inspirational that she was able to overcome her own admittedly racist views to eventually see it as a matter of helping those who need help. I'd like to hear the speech in its entirety and see if perhaps the whole message, rather than simply the hackjob that Breitbart has produced, will be even more inspiring.

38 elizajane  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:05:27pm

re: #34 Conservative Moonbat

Breitbart is such a one trick pony. How much longer can he keep manipulating videos and expecting knee-jerk reactions like this? Shouldn't people start looking at edited videos of black people being racist and go "cut it out Brietbart" and keep on going?

You would think... But instead he's lionized as one of those great heroes (like Glen Beck) who is finding out The Truth and letting us know about it, against the greater forces of government evil.

39 soap_man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:05:36pm

re: #34 Conservative Moonbat

Breitbart is such a one trick pony. How much longer can he keep manipulating videos and expecting knee-jerk reactions like this? Shouldn't people start looking at edited videos of black people being racist and go "cut it out Brietbart" and keep on going?

For as long as Fox News exists to pick it up and run it unquestioned.

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:06:40pm

re: #24 Fozzie Bear

Breitbart told Kurtz of TPH that he has the entire video.

So, he goes from "I don't have it in its entirety" to "I do have it...but I can't release it without permission"?

Can you say "lying sack of shit," children? See, I knew you could.

41 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:07:26pm

re: #39 soap_man

For as long as Fox News exists to pick it up and run it unquestioned.

CNN also ran with the story.

42 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:08:18pm

re: #41 researchok

CNN also ran with the story.

Because it was a "developing story". You can always count on CNN to be cluelessly unprincipled in the extreme.

43 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:08:56pm

re: #31 lawhawk

Charles, you realize that when Sherrod announced that she wouldn't appear on the show, it will be taken by those who think that she indeed said all those bad things while as an employee of the federal government as an explicit admission of guilt, rather than someone thinking better of being a pawn in a much larger pissing match.

Breitbart knew, or had reason to know that he didn't have the full tape of the incident at issue, but went ahead with it anyway. He can't now claim that he didn't know the full tape was available when it was apparently quite easily obtainable from the very company that took the video.

In the meantime, this woman's been dragged through the mud for recounting an incident of bad judgment. And some folks on the right think that the reactions from the crowd at the NAACP is the real story.

This is yet another outrageous outrage in a long long long line of outrageous outrage (which goes all the way back to the yellow journalism days around the turn of the 20th century - and even earlier) and frankly have a hard time keeping track of the outrageous outrages of the day and most folks who aren't in the blogosphere spend even less time - so they just see and read headlines - namely that the NAACP denounced Sherrod and that the USDA canned her. And most people will merrily move along until the next headline.

What are her chances of a defamation suit?

44 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:09:39pm

re: #42 Fozzie Bear

Because it was a "developing story". You can always count on CNN to be cluelessly unprincipled in the extreme.

Fair enough.

45 Soap_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:09:39pm

re: #41 researchok

CNN also ran with the story.

Thanks for the correction. I only saw it on Fox. But either way, shame on both of them. Nobody seemed to make an effort to get to the bottom of the situation before they ran with it.

Oh, the Internet Age, where facts are the "follow-up" to the story, instead of the original story itself.

46 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:09:44pm

re: #41 researchok

CNN also ran with the story.

That's what I'm getting at. More respectable journalistic outlets ran with this too.

47 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:10:07pm

re: #31 lawhawk

Well, since otherwise reasonable bloggers insist on referring to O'Keefe as a videographer and not, more properly as a criminal asshole, saying that he edited the videos for maximum effect, rather than to lie and distory the truth, and since people keep insisting that the videos show something rotten at ACORN, why shouldn't Brietbart continue his smearjobs?

He's found plenty of people who should know better to help spread his racist tripe.

48 Summer Seale  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:10:41pm

Interesting take on the story from CNN:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

49 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:11:14pm

re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote

What are her chances of a defamation suit?

Her best bet is wrongful termination, imho

50 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:11:41pm

I don't get this anymore.

People always have misunderstandings or disagreements and sometimes one side, or both, is just an asshole; but all we need is one anecdote of one allegedly unfair exchange where one person is white and another is not, and the whole thing becomes national news about entrenched racism.

Sad.

51 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:11:43pm

re: #46 Conservative Moonbat

That's what I'm getting at. More respectable journalistic outlets ran with this too.

It's called "the 24/7 news cycle." Nowadays in the media, if you're not on the bandwagon when it comes around, you're left choking on the dust. So if Fox has a lead story of "racism" in the USDA, then the rest of the MSM will be hot on their heals to run their own version. Sometimes they'll even run the exact same story, just with a different headline.

52 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:11:52pm

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth discovers that the lie stole it's pants, and decides that perhaps it should just give up and go back to bed."

(A retelling of the old adage for the modern era)

53 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:12:23pm

re: #42 Fozzie Bear

Because it was a "developing story". You can always count on CNN to be cluelessly unprincipled in the extreme.

They hope they can be first with a developing story and reap the benefits if it if justified but if the story is unjustified they just wash the egg off their faces and know, because of our 5 minute attention span and selective memories, that it will disappear. To them the benefits outweigh the costs of jumping before looking. It's a form of bean counting.

54 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:12:43pm

re: #48 Summer

Interesting take on the story from CNN:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

By "CNN Wire Staff".

In other words, nobody wants to own this one.

55 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:13:49pm

re: #48 Summer

Interesting take on the story from CNN:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That pisses me off more than almost anything else I've heard about this. Obama folding to racism.

56 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:14:04pm

re: #52 Fozzie Bear

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth discovers that the lie stole it's pants, and decides that perhaps it should just give up and go back to bed."

(A retelling of the old adage for the modern era)

Did you give Mandy a ding for that phrase posted earlier?

57 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:15:04pm

Umm I dunno. I think so?

58 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:15:40pm

re: #53 b_sharp

They hope they can be first with a developing story and reap the benefits if it if justified but if the story is unjustified they just wash the egg off their faces and know, because of our 5 minute attention span and selective memories, that it will disappear. To them the benefits outweigh the costs of jumping before looking. It's a form of bean counting.

It's kinda like how, when there's local coverage of a major news story, you'll always find one local news station that says some variation of "We're here, first on the scene..." Why? Because they want folks to know that they had the story first and thus you need to tune to them for footage and facts that the other stations either don't have or won't have.

59 Summer Seale  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:16:17pm

re: #56 Ericus58

Fozzie also posted it earlier at the top of the page in the older thread. =) (Or a paraphrase thereof)

60 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:16:47pm

re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote

It's going to depend on the jurisdiction involved (where Sherrod brings suit). She's got the damages part - namely the loss of her job unless USDA reverses, which is often the more difficult part to prove. Some states do have a criminal defamation statute on the books, but it isn't often utilized.

Libel/slander cases are quite tough to prove in general in the US, so I don't give her great chances for success.

61 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:17:48pm

re: #54 Fozzie Bear

Without so much as a beer summit?
//

So far, she's been treated like dogshit all the way around, plus she's out of a job. And if there ever was a teachable moment story, I believe this was one.

62 JeffM70  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:18:02pm

This is what the media has become in this country. The other news organizations, out of fear of being biased, will never learn that chasing a story hyped by the right-wing noise machine almost always amounts to a fart in a hurricane. And again nobody will be held accountable.

63 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:18:49pm

re: #52 Fozzie Bear

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth discovers that the lie stole it's pants, and decides that perhaps it should just give up and go back to bed."

(A retelling of the old adage for the modern era)

Footage is released of the Truth putting its pants on, but it is shown backwards along with claims that Truth is exposing itself to Girl Scouts selling cookies at its door.

Meanwhile Beauty officially disowns truth, saying that "Keats was wrong, I never had anything to do with this jerk!"

Full footage is finally released, played foward, showing that Truth answered the door fully clothed and ordered several boxes of ginger-nut snaps, which are Beauty's favorite.

Beauty issues a retraction and apologizes to Keats.

64 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:19:00pm

Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack is planning to make a statement about the issue soon...

65 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:19:40pm

Vilsack of what?

66 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:19:53pm

Breitbart has won this. Obama now bears the blame, the victim blames the administration, and there is little to no scrutiny of Breitbart in the MSM coverage of this.

This is disgusting.

67 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:20:00pm

re: #48 Summer

Interesting take on the story from CNN:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That gives the wingnut media their consolation prize: "Hasty Obama tosses victim under the bus."
They'd be right too, not withstanding that they're the ones who victimized Sherrod in the first place and brought the pressure on Obama.

68 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:20:38pm

re: #64 Charles

Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack is planning to make a statement about the issue soon...

Vilsack Attack!

(that's stuck in my mind from Colbert from when he was running for Pres.)

69 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:21:24pm

I don't blame Shirley Sherrod one bit for being angry at the White House and the NAACP.

But the real culprit is Andrew Breitbart.

70 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:22:10pm

re: #66 Fozzie Bear

Breitbart has won this. Obama now bears the blame, the victim blames the administration, and there is little to no scrutiny of Breitbart in the MSM coverage of this.

This is disgusting.

Breitbart has become some kind of grotesque puppetmaster. His influence is huge, but even on Daily Kos nobody knows who the fuck he is.

71 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:22:28pm

How the heck does Breitbart manage to repeatedly keep hoodwinking various knowledgeable and sophisticated organizations with this kind of dishonest crap?
It's just crazy what folks will swallow.

72 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:22:41pm

re: #69 Charles

I don't blame Shirley Sherrod one bit for being angry at the White House and the NAACP.

But the real culprit is Andrew Breitbart.

I'd be pissed too.

But in reading the CNN coverage, it's almost like Breitbart is invisible. He's just the "reporter that broke the story".

73 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:22:56pm

Kagan was approved by committee with Lindsy Graham voting for her so she moves onto the Senate for voting.
I admire Graham's complete and total disregarded for the Tea Party/uber!conservatives opinion of him as a RINO.

74 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:23:51pm

re: #71 Spare O'Lake

Simple: the people swallowing it desperately want it to be true, and at face value, it confirms their preconceived notions. They're red meat consumers. Red meat's mighty popular.

75 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:24:37pm

re: #71 Spare O'Lake

How the heck does Breitbart manage to repeatedly keep hoodwinking various knowledgeable and sophisticated organizations with this kind of dishonest crap?
It's just crazy what folks will swallow.

It's like when there's a slow news cycle Fox pushes the Breitbart button and Andy crawls out of hole with a fresh serving of slime.

76 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:24:49pm

re: #71 Spare O'Lake

How the heck does Breitbart manage to repeatedly keep hoodwinking various knowledgeable and sophisticated organizations with this kind of dishonest crap?
It's just crazy what folks will swallow.

He has learned that a sensation allegation is news. If it's false, it's news that the allegation was made, if it's true, it's sensational that it happened.

Media companies care about one thing: eyeballs. Eyes = advertising dollars. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS TO THEM. Nothing.

77 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:25:15pm

So one other note about how messed up this is. Rush Limbaugh routinely says things that are blatantly racist and horrible. The right wing blogosphere is full of naked ugliness. Yet a woman who ultimately did right - above and beyond the call of duty - to a man who had started out racist towards her, decades ago - gets smeared.

Where are the cries of it was satire?

OF course, she did what was right even after someone had wronged her with attitude. She is to blame. The Administration and the NAACP knee jerk into the defense when they should have played offence against these hypocritical, wretched cretins.

The cretins at Fox will turn *that* into the story.

And honestly *that* is part of the story in as much as the good guys do not realize just how much of a street fight they are in and they have no clue how to win it. All they have accomplished is to look weak and to stab one of their own, a good and innocent woman, reflexively. Now the damage is worse, because the average person will not look at the facts.

This will get legs as the story turns to focus on Obama. Fox wins either way. If the story is promoting the original lie, they get to pump the blacks are coming for your white bottom meme. If it is about how the administration unfairly pressured her and the NAACP jumped the gun to condemn her - then they have put two black eyes on their real targets by making both look foolish.

Had Obama and the NAACP shown some restraint and some spine, they could have come out with the unedited tapes and just crucified Breitbart and Fox from the start and shown who the real racist manipulators are. As it is now, they have utterly fumbled.

This is exactly the way that Israel loses the PR war.

78 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:26:24pm

re: #56 Ericus58

Did you give Mandy a ding for that phrase posted earlier?

Actually Walter posted it first, on the previous thread

79 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:26:56pm

re: #60 lawhawk

It's going to depend on the jurisdiction involved (where Sherrod brings suit). She's got the damages part - namely the loss of her job unless USDA reverses, which is often the more difficult part to prove. Some states do have a criminal defamation statute on the books, but it isn't often utilized.

Libel/slander cases are quite tough to prove in general in the US, so I don't give her great chances for success.

But, there was clear malicious intent on the part of Breitbart through his selective editing and untrue article. He can't claim that his slanders were true and he can't claim ignorance. He certainly can't claim to be unbiased.

Given all that, do you think that she really has no reasonable case?

80 Summer Seale  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:27:04pm

re: #78 Reginald Perrin

My bad. I thought it was Fozzie.

The things I miss when posting from work...*sighs*. =(

81 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:27:17pm

re: #74 theheat

Simple: the people swallowing it desperately want it to be true, and at face value, it confirms their preconceived notions. They're red meat consumers. Red meat's mighty popular.

I love red meat, but even I know enough to make sure to buy it from a reputable butcher so I can at least be sure what animal it comes from.

82 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:27:23pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Now the damage is worse, because the average person will not look at the facts.

Well if it helps any, the average person is not even paying any attention to this.
Lindsey Lohan went to jail today....that's what they care about.

83 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:27:27pm

I think I just lost the last scrap of faith I had in my species.

I'm going to eat something, drink some coffee, and try not to remember that I was ever proud of this steaming pile of crap we call humanity.

BBL, and more cheerful.

84 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:27:55pm

re: #75 Conservative Moonbat

It's like when there's a slow news cycle Fox pushes the Breitbart button and Andy crawls out of hole with a fresh serving of slime.

I doubt Mike Rowe the Dirty Jobs guy would lower himself far enough to do Breitbart's job.

85 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:28:18pm

Law And Order, indeed!!

Rapper Ice-T arrested in New York City for driving with a suspended license

Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

86 JeffM70  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:28:19pm

re: #69 Charles

I don't blame Shirley Sherrod one bit for being angry at the White House and the NAACP.

But the real culprit is Andrew Breitbart.

Rahm is a snake and Obama hasn't show much by the way of courage either. Imagine being hung out to dry because of Andrew Breitbart.

87 oklahoma  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:28:48pm

"So, I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of the training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them that his own kind would take care of him."

I'm not sure the whole video is going help all that much unless they edit out little gems like that one.

88 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:28:49pm

re: #86 JeffM70

Rahm is a snake and Obama hasn't show much by the way of courage either. Imagine being hung out to dry because of Andrew Breitbart.

sigh....

89 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:29:15pm

re: #74 theheat

Simple: the people swallowing it desperately want it to be true, and at face value, it confirms their preconceived notions. They're red meat consumers. Red meat's mighty popular.

Modern journalism is about advancing an agenda and presenting those stories (substantiated or not) that advance the agenda. The trick is to give it enough substance to force the other side deny it or otherwise react only adds to the savor.

As long as there is a market for this sort of journalism, they will continue dishing it out by the bucketful. Some folks cannot get enough of it.

90 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:29:24pm

re: #87 oklahoma

"So, I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of the training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them that his own kind would take care of him."

I'm not sure the whole video is going help all that much unless they edit out little gems like that one.

OH LOOK ANOTHER ONE

91 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:29:24pm

re: #87 oklahoma

"So, I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of the training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them that his own kind would take care of him."

I'm not sure the whole video is going help all that much unless they edit out little gems like that one.

have you paid any attention at all?
any?

92 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:29:29pm

re: #82 webevintage

Well if it helps any, the average person is not even paying any attention to this.
Lindsey Lohan went to jail today...that's what they care about.

Shakes head and cries...

93 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:30:09pm

re: #86 JeffM70

Rahm is a snake and Obama hasn't show much by the way of courage either. Imagine being hung out to dry because of Andrew Breitbart.

Oh, I imagine somebody will. When the full video comes out and people start asking "Who pushed for her resignation," somebody's gonna be "volunteered" from the White House to fall on their sword and claim they were the ones responsible. Something will have to be done to save face.

94 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:30:29pm

re: #69 Charles

I don't blame Shirley Sherrod one bit for being angry at the White House and the NAACP.

But the real culprit is Andrew Breitbart.

Spot On, Charles.
I feel for Shirley. Sounds like she is a fine person and has had her life turned upside-down.
It makes me angry.

95 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:30:33pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Upding, even though I disagree with your irrelevant last sentence about Israel.

96 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:30:47pm

re: #44 researchok

Replied to you here. Also worth noting is that with attribution, rather than generic "statements from the big white building" is that villains like Breitbart would have zero credibility if the response came from a named source. As in: White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs condemns the wrongful firing of X, but more importantly has reached out to the Ombudsman at the major broadcast and cable networks to ensure material supplied by self-styled journalists, like Andrew Breitbart's recent video of X official, will not be aired without authentication."

On the record attribution, from the USDA and WH Press Office, immediately has to be a way of life. Not something they do occasionally. The only way to beat people like Breitbart is with daylight, daylight, daylight. He's a cretin and must be expelled from the "journalist" class immediately.

97 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:30:59pm

re: #92 LudwigVanQuixote

Shakes head and cries...

whats that rattle I hear?
//

98 oklahoma  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:31:18pm

re: #91 webevintage

I've paid attention.

99 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:31:25pm

Alright, whose turn is it to fire up the Troll Grill?

100 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:31:30pm

re: #44 researchok

Whoops, HERE

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:31:49pm

re: #87 oklahoma

"So, I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of the training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them that his own kind would take care of him."

I'm not sure the whole video is going help all that much unless they edit out little gems like that one.

The point is to see the thing in its entire context. That is asking a lot of most news viewers these days. She was speaking in nuances, talking about her personal development, her inner monologue.

But modern media is all about shouting and bullet points. This woman had her career ruined by something ripped out of context and flung out to discredit the NAACP

102 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:32:03pm

re: #87 oklahoma

"So, I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of the training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them that his own kind would take care of him."

I'm not sure the whole video is going help all that much unless they edit out little gems like that one.

She's talking about 24 years ago in Alabama. It might not sound that great but that is the reality of southern race relations in even that recent the past.

103 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:32:23pm

re: #96 Ebetty

Replied to you here. Also worth noting is that with attribution, rather than generic "statements from the big white building" is that villains like Breitbart would have zero credibility if the response came from a named source. As in: White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs condemns the wrongful firing of X, but more importantly has reached out to the Ombudsman at the major broadcast and cable networks to ensure material supplied by self-styled journalists, like Andrew Breitbart's recent video of X official, will not be aired without authentication."

On the record attribution, from the USDA and WH Press Office, immediately has to be a way of life. Not something they do occasionally. The only way to beat people like Breitbart is with daylight, daylight, daylight. He's a cretin and must be expelled from the "journalist" class immediately.

I think I love you.

Faith in humanity increasing by .00002%.

104 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:32:33pm

re: #93 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, I imagine somebody will. When the full video comes out and people start asking "Who pushed for her resignation," somebody's gonna be "volunteered" from the White House to fall on their sword and claim they were the ones responsible. Something will have to be done to save face.

How do these things work in the WH?
I mean does the President get told ever outrageous outrage of the day or is shit like this left to much lower level folks?
I mean I know by now he is probably aware and probably pissed, but really, does anyone think he President made the decision to have this gal resign?

105 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:32:37pm

re: #78 Reginald Perrin

Actually Walter posted it first, on the previous thread

You are correct, Sir. I had to go back farther myself after Summer pointed out the earlier post as well.

Fozzie, I sorry....
want me to scratch your ears? ;)

106 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:32:44pm

re: #99 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Alright, whose turn is it to fire up the Troll Grill?

We'll have to put it on ice until dark Falcon gets off work.

107 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:32:47pm

re: #95 Spare O'Lake

Upding, even though I disagree with your irrelevant last sentence about Israel.

If you think that Israel isn't losing the PR war for many of the same reasons, you are not paying attention. However, that was made as a point of comparison, not a point of departure.

108 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:32:59pm

re: #48 Summer

Interesting take on the story from CNN:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

And the comment from the NAACP:

The statement that the NAACP issued late Monday backed Vilsack's decision.
"Racism is about the abuse of power. Sherrod had it in her position at USDA. According to her remarks, she mistreated a white farmer in need of assistance because of his race," said Benjamin Todd Jealous, president and CEO of the civil rights group.

However from what I read she didn't do "all" because of the man's race but because she was treated condescendingly by him, and even that doesn't make the man the racist; many men have trouble asking women for help.

109 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:33:13pm

re: #98 oklahoma

I've paid attention.

well not very well....

110 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:33:49pm

re: #102 Conservative Moonbat

She's talking about 24 years ago in Alabama. It might not sound that great but that is the reality of southern race relations in even that recent the past.

ftfy,, as a resident of the south for the past 11 years and of the Boston Mass area for most of the 45 years before that, i can assure you it's not a 'southern thing"!

111 oklahoma  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:35:04pm

re: #109 webevintage

well not very well...

Well enough to know what she meant by taking the farmer to one of his own kind.

112 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:35:23pm

re: #104 webevintage

How do these things work in the WH?
I mean does the President get told ever outrageous outrage of the day or is shit like this left to much lower level folks?
I mean I know by now he is probably aware and probably pissed, but really, does anyone think he President made the decision to have this gal resign?

This one has Rahm's weaselly fingerprints all over it.

113 Soap_Man  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:35:30pm

re: #87 oklahoma

"So, I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of the training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them that his own kind would take care of him."

I'm not sure the whole video is going help all that much unless they edit out little gems like that one.

oklahoma, meet context. Context, this is oklamoma. I hope you two get along.

114 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:36:20pm

re: #104 webevintage

How do these things work in the WH?
I mean does the President get told ever outrageous outrage of the day or is shit like this left to much lower level folks?
I mean I know by now he is probably aware and probably pissed, but really, does anyone think he President made the decision to have this gal resign?

I really couldn't say. As far as I know, Sherrod has attributed the pressure for her to resign as coming from "the White House," without anyone in particular being named. So the media will move to bombard Gibbs and any member of the White House staff they can get their hands on as to who was the one who ordered the Code Red...er, who was the one applying the pressure. The undercurrent, of course, will be that Obama knew from the start and, if he didn't give the order, he at least "agreed" with the order being given.

115 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:36:24pm

re: #111 oklahoma

Well enough to know what she meant by taking the farmer to one of his own kind.

Did you read the WHOLE story? All of it. Have you read the transcripts of the ENTIRE speech? If not, please do. Including the part where she explains why, how, and for how long.

116 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:36:51pm

re: #98 oklahoma

I've paid attention.

If that is the case then you understand that hers is a story of an admitted mistake that was corrected and that she experienced an epiphany of conscience, making your comment all the worse.

117 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:36:52pm

Once again.
The incident happened more then 20 fucking years ago at a time when she was NOT working for the USDA or the FED gov't.
She related in a speech at an NAACP dinner how she changed her views and ultimately helped this farmer (who she ended up being friends with) keep his farm even after he was a bit of a jerk.
She used it to show how ALL OF USE need to get past seeing race and see only that you have a person in need in front of you.

118 JeffM70  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:36:58pm

re: #93 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's very likely, meaning Breitbart will have claimed two victims in addition to having made fools of the national media and further securing the adoration of the right. People remember Breitbart's hitpiece from yesterday and Lindsay Lohan going to jail today.

119 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:37:30pm

BP caught photoshopping command center pictures

John Aravosis of AMERICAblog made an interesting find Monday night: A high-resolution image on BP's website of the troubled company's Houston-based Deepwater Horizon response command center had been altered.

The altered image was later removed by BP and replaced with what they say is the original (the altered image is above and the original is below). You'll notice that three underwater images were inserted onto screens to the right on a wall of video feeds in the altered image, where blank images exist on the screens in the original.

120 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:37:31pm

re: #103 Fozzie Bear

:) Thanks. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion which is exactly what Breitbart wants. He should be shamed by the whole of the journalist community.

I'd like to see the statement from the National Press Club. The House & Senate Galleries. Radio and TV Correspondents. White House Correspondents.

My guess is Breitbart sees himself as a right-wing Michael Moore. I'm not a Moore fan but Breitbart ain't in his league.

121 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:37:45pm

re: #111 oklahoma

Well enough to know what she meant by taking the farmer to one of his own kind.

But not well enough to grasp the context and the point of her speech, which was about how she strove to overcome her own prejudices and preconceived notions to do the right thing.

She make the mistake of saying something that could be taken out of context and used against her. In the modern world, that is to be expected.

Which is why it's all shouting and bullet points out there: red vs. blue America vs. Terror, Christianity vs Islam. Any attempt at subtlety will blow up in your face.

Please have a good look into what her speech was about and don't fall for the treick that Breitbart was trying to pull off.

122 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:37:57pm

re: #117 webevintage

Once again.
The incident happened more then 20 fucking years ago at a time when she was NOT working for the USDA or the FED gov't.
She related in a speech at an NAACP dinner how she changed her views and ultimately helped this farmer (who she ended up being friends with) keep his farm even after he was a bit of a jerk.
She used it to show how ALL OF USE need to get past seeing race and see only that you have a person in need in front of you.

Could you just repost that every half hour for the remainder of the day? That would be awesome. That way we won't have to read out loud to people who claim to be able to read, but don't bother.

123 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:38:02pm

re: #111 oklahoma

Well enough to know what she meant by taking the farmer to one of his own kind.

If that is all you get from the story then there is no hope for this country.

124 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:38:07pm

Once again, if you watch the #tcot feed on Twitter you can see the talking points being settled on.

They all know Breitbart and Fox News lied, but they're worked up into a fury at (who else?) Obama.

125 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:38:19pm

One of my first posts when coming back to LGF was that America is a headline driven populace. You won't find people often digging very far into the facts, if at all. And it happens even less a day after the headline drive by.

This is the curse of bumper sticker discourse. And this, I believe is only going to convince more people with relevant stories to tell to just shut up and not speak. Someone said that public discourse is dying. I agree.

Drive by headlining rules the day, and will continue to do so.

126 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:38:47pm

Folks, "oklahoma" is following the same schtick that "polkadot" did downstairs, namely claiming to be "know" the whole story but choosing to continue to harp on the one line, taken out of context. Anybody who's taken the time to follow the links and watch the CNN interview understands that the video was edited and the point of her speech was not racist in the least.

M-O-O-N, that spells "troll."

127 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:38:51pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Too true. Propaganda is not about persuasion, it is about affirming what people desperately want to believe, manipulating media placement to give your case major attention before the opposition can respond.
I don't compare activist journalists to Goebbels just to be an asshole or thumb my nose at Godwin (that's a fringe benefit). I do it because this is how Goebbels actually worked. He didn't invent these techniques, but he did adapt them to broadcast media, refine them to perfection, and make them a major factor in world affairs.

128 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:39:02pm

From Perez Hilton (I diversify):

Fox News' Glenn Beck revealed that he was diagnosed with macular dystrophy and could go blind within the next year.

"So, I went to the best doctor I could find – while I could still go the best doctor I could find." [Sarah helpin' you write your monologues?]

...Macular dystrophy is a rare genetic condition which can cause vision loss, causing patients to have difficulty driving, reading and identifying faces.

This may explain why Beck sees Hitler everywhere he turns. A bonafied medical condition. Layman's term: Hitler-itis.
//

129 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:39:12pm

re: #124 Charles

Once again, if you watch the #tcot feed on Twitter you can see the talking points being settled on.

They all know Breitbart and Fox News lied, but they're worked up into a fury at (who else?) Obama.

If Obama hadn't lied about his birth certificate and stolen the election this wouldn't be an issue right now, DAMN HIM!!!

///

130 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:39:14pm

re: #111 oklahoma

Well enough to know what she meant by taking the farmer to one of his own kind.

In other words, you just didn't understand the context.

131 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:39:40pm

re: #87 oklahoma

She said that because she worked for a non profit that used black farmers to help other black farmers and did not think she would get a lot of help from them decades ago. She later explained she leaned it's not about just black and white, it's about being poor or not.

132 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:39:57pm

re: #113 Soap_Man

oklahoma, meet context. Context, this is oklamoma. I hope you two get along.

Forget it, they're already not speaking to each other.

133 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:41:00pm

re: #132 b_sharp

Forget it, they're already not speaking to each other.

They speak different languages.

134 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:41:59pm

The thing is, why should anyone be surprised with the knee-jerk reactions? This how we govern as well.

135 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:42:08pm

re: #112 Conservative Moonbat

This one has Rahm's weaselly fingerprints all over it.

Please.
Those are "sexy middle age Jewish guy" fingers...not weaselly..not at all....

136 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:42:49pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Too true. Propaganda is not about persuasion, it is about affirming what people desperately want to believe, manipulating media placement to give your case major attention before the opposition can respond.
I don't compare activist journalists to Goebbels just to be an asshole or thumb my nose at Godwin (that's a fringe benefit). I do it because this is how Goebbels actually worked. He didn't invent these techniques, but he did adapt them to broadcast media, refine them to perfection, and make them a major factor in world affairs.

We invented them. Right here in the U.S. The (CPI) Creel commission report was the primary source material that Goebbels studied. Nobody in the history of the world has been so skilled at propaganda and mass persuasion as the American PR industry. Nobody.

We invented it, and mastered it. Goebbels studied from the best.

137 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:43:06pm

I am reminded of the story of King Canute, the arrogant monarch who tried to stop the tide from coming in by commanding it to turn.

The story was more nuanced by that: Canute was quite a humble man, and tired of the sycophants of his court praising him to the skies.

To demonstrate that even he had limits to his powers, he sat at the sea and dommanded the tide to turn to demonstrate that fact and shut up the sycophants.

That little bit was lost on the world, the legend is that of the arrogant king defeated by the tide...

138 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:43:18pm

re: #118 JeffM70

That's very likely, meaning Breitbart will have claimed two victims in addition to having made fools of the national media and further securing the adoration of the right. People remember Breitbart's hitpiece from yesterday and Lindsay Lohan going to jail today.

Unfortunately, it's also why I don't think you'll see Obama move on this until later, if at all. Right now, all the media has is pressure from "the White House," but no specific target to go after. If he steps in, apologizes, and offers to reinstate her to her former position, then in their minds, he's taken "responsibility" for it happening and thus opens himself up to questions as to why it happened in the first place.

For better or worse, Truman was right: The buck stops on the president's desk.

139 Slap  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:43:30pm

re: #113 Soap_Man

oklahoma, meet context. Context, this is oklamoma. I hope you two get along.

Now, who said anything about messages from an incarcerated person?/

140 Nimed  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:43:38pm

Eloize Spooner (the farmer's wife), on the phone in CNN Newsroom, clarifies the whole thing.

Media Matters Video

It's a pretty emotional video. Eloize Spooner rocks! Anyway, there's absolutely no more room for doubt in this story.

141 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:44:11pm
BP caught photoshopping command center pictures

If you follow the links to americablog - it's much worse than that. they didn't just photoshop images on the screens, they photoshopped additional people into the photo, AND it appears the original photo may have been taken in 2001.

Follow another link and voila, there is a second photoshopped photo.

142 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:44:15pm

re: #136 Fozzie Bear

We invented them. Right here in the U.S. The (CPI) Creel commission report was the primary source material that Goebbels studied. Nobody in the history of the world has been so skilled at propaganda and mass persuasion as the American PR industry. Nobody.

We invented it, and mastered it. Goebbels studied from the best.

I have to agree. PR is one of the things our society is excellent at doing. We are marketing geniuses.

143 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:44:20pm

The NAACP's Ben Jealous just tweeted this:

Ben Jealous and NAACP calling Sherod now.

144 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:44:27pm

re: #140 Nimed

Eloize Spooner (the farmer's wife), on the phone in CNN Newsroom, clarifies the whole thing.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

It's a pretty emotional video. Eloize Spooner rocks! Anyway, there's absolutely no more room for doubt in this story.

Of course there is...she was "gotten to"...

145 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:44:34pm

re: #128 theheat

From Perez Hilton (I diversify):

This may explain why Beck sees Hitler everywhere he turns. A bonafied medical condition. Layman's term: Hitler-itis.
//

A friend of mine has macular dystrophy. She had blind spots a few years back, took time off work, medications, etc. and recovered. She still has it, but managed to save her vision. She found reduced working hours helped considerably, but finally decided this year to retire (she's 43). Fortunately, she had been with her company for enough years and had a decent option plan as well as a good savings practice, so she's actually able to do so. She's also engaged to another engineer so there's another income.

I think it would be good for Beck to cut back his hours (maybe give up his radio and/or TV shows) and possibly retire altogether. He could come back on as an occasional correspondent (like Sarah Palin). Really, it's for his own good.

Of course, the added bonus would be that we wouldn't have to listen to him anymore.

146 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:44:40pm

"Vilsack stands by his request & acceptance of Sherrod's resignations"- CNN

147 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:44:48pm

re: #137 ralphieboy

I am reminded of the story of King Canute, the arrogant monarch who tried to stop the tide from coming in by commanding it to turn.

The story was more nuanced by that: Canute was quite a humble man, and tired of the sycophants of his court praising him to the skies.

To demonstrate that even he had limits to his powers, he sat at the sea and dommanded the tide to turn to demonstrate that fact and shut up the sycophants.

That little bit was lost on the world, the legend is that of the arrogant king defeated by the tide...

Reminds me of the old joke, redone with each new presidency, about the man in the Big Chair walked across the surface of the White House pool. The headline the next day: "President Can't Swim!"

148 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:45:12pm

re: #128 theheat

From Perez Hilton (I diversify):

This may explain why Beck sees Hitler everywhere he turns. A bonafied medical condition. Layman's term: Hitler-itis.
//

Is it really an 'itis' or is it a 'philia'?

149 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:45:13pm

Vilsack's statement -- he's standing by the request for Sherrod's resignation!

Unbelievable.

150 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:45:42pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Too true. Propaganda is not about persuasion, it is about affirming what people desperately want to believe, manipulating media placement to give your case major attention before the opposition can respond.
I don't compare activist journalists to Goebbels just to be an asshole or thumb my nose at Godwin (that's a fringe benefit). I do it because this is how Goebbels actually worked. He didn't invent these techniques, but he did adapt them to broadcast media, refine them to perfection, and make them a major factor in world affairs.

SK, I have been saying that for months. I have always liked your comments.

151 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:45:50pm

re: #149 Charles

Vilsack's statement -- he's standing by the request for Sherrod's resignation!

Unbelievable.

wow.
well then he needs to move on...

152 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:45:56pm

Vilsack is a sack, alright.

He's defending the behavior of the USDA in the Sherrod affair.

153 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:46:32pm

re: #133 brownbagj

They speak different languages.

I suspect one of them is listening in tongues, and I know it ain't Context.

154 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:46:41pm

re: #149 Charles

I don't understand this at all. I truly don't. Is it pride? Stupidity?

155 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:46:41pm

re: #149 Charles

Severely disappointed here.

156 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:46:55pm

re: #152 researchok

I replied to you upthread.

157 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:47:08pm

re: #154 brownbagj

I don't understand this at all. I truly don't. Is it pride? Stupidity?

Stupidity.

158 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:47:17pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #141 reine.de.tout

Sorry, but I see nothing nefarious or sinister about this

I work at a place that has a video wall similar to that. When/if we take a photo of it for marketing purposes we always make sure there is something on every screen. Hell, go into a retail store and look at their video walls. They do the same thing

159 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:47:42pm

re: #148 b_sharp

I was thinking itis, like conjunctivitis. When I think eyeballs, I think itis. I'm simple like that.

160 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:47:58pm

OT:
Tea Party candidate Carl Paladino got the petitions needed for a runoff with preferred GOP candidate Rick Lazio in NY to run against Democratic candidate Andrew Cuomo for governor. No one submitted documents contesting those petitions, so the primary election will go ahead in September. Paladino ran 3d (8% of the vote) at the GOP convention to choose their nominee for governor.

Paladino is a piece of work (he got tossed from the Tea Party for sending around racist and derogatory emails - an announcement made by Mark Williams - which itself is now most ironic), and Lazio isn't much better (having waded into the Cordoba House proposal and coming out against it). Cuomo's chances of winning just improved significantly.

161 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:48:08pm

I see oklahoma has disappeared.....

162 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:48:16pm

re: #149 Charles

Vilsack's statement -- he's standing by the request for Sherrod's resignation!

Unbelievable.

Wow, what a gift for the GOP.

163 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:48:20pm

re: #156 Ebetty

???

164 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:48:27pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #142 brownbagj

re: #158 sattv4u2

re: #141 reine.de.tout

Sorry, but I see nothing nefarious or sinister about this

I work at a place that has a video wall similar to that. When/if we take a photo of it for marketing purposes we always make sure there is something on every screen. Hell, go into a retail store and look at their video walls. They do the same thing

FURTHER,,,, notice the insertions are just replications of images already on other screens

165 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:48:33pm

Ok, well then.

I guess the Administration is trying the ever-ingenious "let's see how bad we can make this" approach.

Brilliant!

166 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:48:45pm

re: #154 brownbagj

Both.

167 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:48:47pm

re: #161 webevintage

seceded?
//

Couldn't help myself.

168 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:48:52pm

re: #158 sattv4u2

What is BP marketing, here?

169 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:49:00pm

re: #141 reine.de.tout

If you follow the links to americablog - it's much worse than that. they didn't just photoshop images on the screens, they photoshopped additional people into the photo, AND it appears the original photo may have been taken in 2001.

Follow another link and voila, there is a second photoshopped photo.

This should be a thread of its own. This is important. I recommended it to Charles. Please everyone else hit the recommend key for this post.

170 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:49:33pm

re: #168 Obdicut

What is BP marketing, here?

That they have people monitoring the situation

171 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:49:42pm

re: #149 Charles

Vilsack's statement -- he's standing by the request for Sherrod's resignation!

Unbelievable.

Political expediency trumps principles yet again.

172 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:49:47pm

re: #162 Spare O'Lake

Wow, what a gift for the GOP.

Or the President if he steps in and smacks down Vilsack.
But he is a Democrat (who i support and like) and you know how that goes....

173 Nimed  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:50:11pm

re: #154 brownbagj

I don't understand this at all. I truly don't. Is it pride? Stupidity?

Pride in his stupidity.

174 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:50:43pm

re: #149 Charles

Disappointing, but not surprising. It was a purely political decision and they decided for expedience - even though this may end up lingering far longer than they would like.

175 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:50:43pm

re: #171 Gus 802

Political expediency trumps principles yet again.

Actually, it's 'stupid' that did the trumping.

176 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:50:51pm

This constant caving to right wing propaganda is getting real old. Real quick.

177 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:50:53pm

re: #163 researchok

About the White House being a building. Didn't want to avoid answering your ? in last thread, since it's still relevant now.

Left to go get a TRO filed on my ex. Thankfully, Lizzy was happy to testify. Now I'm safe and can focus on filling her shoes.

178 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:50:55pm

SO basically absolutely everybody involved in this is retarded. Great.

179 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:51:07pm

re: #173 Nimed

Pride in his stupidity.

Line of the day.

180 brownbagj  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:51:32pm

re: #173 Nimed

Pride in his stupidity.

Lethal combination.

181 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:51:47pm

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

Breitbart won't be affected, but I am kind of hoping Vilsack is forced to resign himself. Right after giving Sherrod her job back.

182 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:52:14pm

re: #178 Fozzie Bear

Yep. This way they all point fingers, no one takes responsibility, Sherrod takes the fall, and everyone in DC gets to go back to business as usual.

183 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:52:20pm

re: #136 Fozzie Bear

We invented them. Right here in the U.S. The (CPI) Creel commission report was the primary source material that Goebbels studied. Nobody in the history of the world has been so skilled at propaganda and mass persuasion as the American PR industry. Nobody.

We invented it, and mastered it. Goebbels studied from the best.

Goebbels's real innovation was in adapting the Creel methodology to the new non-print media, radio and sound movies, that Creel did not have to any useful degree:

Both a Films Division and a News Division were established to help get out the war message. What was missing, Creel saw, was a way to reach those Americans who might not read newspapers, attend meetings or watch movies. For this task, Creel created the Division of Pictorial Publicity. Charles Dana Gibson was America's most popular illustrator - and an ardent supporter of the war. When Creel asked him to assemble a group of artists to help design posters for the government, Gibson was more than eager to help. Famous illustrators such as James Montgomery Flagg, Joseph Pennell, Louis D. Fancher, and N. C. Wyeth were brought together to produce some of World War I's most lasting images.


Television took care of that, but not in time to benefit Goebbels, for which we should forever be thankful.

184 Jack Burton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:52:28pm

re: #149 Charles

Vilsack's statement -- he's standing by the request for Sherrod's resignation!

Unbelievable.

You gotta be shitting me. Is he uninformed or doing the "no we weren't fooled and embarrassed by Breitbart, nothing to see here" thing?

185 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:53:14pm

re: #141 reine.de.tout

Here's another photo - this one is NOT photoshopped (as I don't have photoshop) showing how Sara Palin actually stopped the leak from the BOP. Apparently, it just required a blow-out with more downward pressure than the blowout of the well.

186 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:54:08pm

re: #185 darthstar

Wait, you're telling me that she refudiated the oil leak? //////////

187 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:54:25pm

re: #168 Obdicut

What is BP marketing, here?

Apparently not their credibility.

188 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:54:33pm

re: #168 Obdicut

re: #170 sattv4u2

That they have people monitoring the situation


Actually,,, I should have stated (to your question) that they have a hi-tech command center monitoring the sea floor, not just some guy out in a row boat and in a safety suit on a beach looking for oil globs

189 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:54:33pm

re: #172 webevintage

Or the President if he steps in and smacks down Vilsack.
But he is a Democrat (who i support and like) and you know how that goes...

Surely you're not suggesting that Obama will now demand Vilsack's resignation - wouldn't that be kind of like double jeopardy?

190 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:54:41pm

re: #186 lawhawk

Wait, you're telling me that she refudiated the oil leak? ///

She's a born-again refudiator.

191 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:54:46pm

re: #184 ArchangelMichael

You gotta be shitting me. Is he uninformed or doing the "no we weren't fooled and embarrassed by Breitbart, nothing to see here" thing?

I think that pretty much hits the nail on the head, but no matter what they do here they give Britebart a win.

192 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:55:33pm

re: #149 Charles

Vilsack's statement -- he's standing by the request for Sherrod's resignation!

Unbelievable.

It's the classic political sign of "resolution," namely standing by stupid decisions because they seemed "right" when made, rather than seeming unsure and prone to second-guessing. No doubt he'll cite the lack of compelling evidence that the first impression is not the correct one and state that, even if vindicated, what's done is done and Sherrod's resignation will remain a done deal.

193 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:55:44pm

re: #170 sattv4u2

That they have people monitoring the situation

Exactly.

194 Jack Burton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:56:09pm

re: #190 darthstar

She's a born-again refudiator.

Only the Real Americans™ can refudiate an oil leak like that.

195 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:58:03pm

Whoa. 145 comments since last I posted at 12:03:04pm. Been cookin'. Chicken in the crock pot and a vegetable/leftover fish soup.

196 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:58:48pm

Vilsack's response is a cultural expression of American politics.

Rather than fix the problem- admitting they were wrong, the administration will defend their own stupidity.

Because they are never, ever, wrong. Not the Dems and not the GOP.

Ever.

197 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:58:52pm

re: #194 ArchangelMichael

From the Heartland. Because that's where all the hearts are, in the heartland. Sometimes, Real Americans™ feel too much, and then their hearts feel too stabby. Communists and community center developers like poking Heartland people in the hearts, and then their hearts hurt.

198 oklahoma  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:05:29pm

re: #126 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Folks, "oklahoma" is following the same schtick that "polkadot" did downstairs, namely claiming to be "know" the whole story but choosing to continue to harp on the one line, taken out of context. Anybody who's taken the time to follow the links and watch the CNN interview understands that the video was edited and the point of her speech was not racist in the least.

M-O-O-N, that spells "troll."

I had to be away for a bit. I don't see where I ever claimed to know the whole story so I am not sure why you would claim that I did other than to discredit me. Seems like my accurately quoting what Ms. Sherrod said in part of her speech certainly hit a nerve. But if she meant something different by referring to the farmer as white and sending him to one of his own kind, then maybe the context could help. I have not yet seen the entire speech transcript or video. If you could provide a link that would be helpful. And by the way my preview doesn't work.

199 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:09:50pm

re: #198 oklahoma

Read the thread. Or the last thread.

200 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:10:49pm

It's ok, oklahoma will begin to support Sherrod now that it has come to light that the administration threw her ass under the bus.

Wingnuts are extremely predictable.

201 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:20:16pm

re: #198 oklahoma

I had to be away for a bit. I don't see where I ever claimed to know the whole story so I am not sure why you would claim that I did other than to discredit me. Seems like my accurately quoting what Ms. Sherrod said in part of her speech certainly hit a nerve. But if she meant something different by referring to the farmer as white and sending him to one of his own kind, then maybe the context could help. I have not yet seen the entire speech transcript or video. If you could provide a link that would be helpful. And by the way my preview doesn't work.

Stop playing stupid.
There's been plenty of links and quote's provided here.

202 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:27:48pm

re: #201 Ericus58

Stop playing stupid.
There's been plenty of links and quote's provided here.

I'm pretty sure its not playing

203 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:46:35pm

Let me see if I get this straight.

Breitbart published a deceivingly edited video, which he claims not to have edited. At the same time, he claims to have the original video, and that he'll publish it "if he is given permission".

From this we could infer several things if this comments were truth:

1) Breitbart was given both the full video and an edited version by one or more mysterious sources.

2) Having both videos available, he chose the one that falsely condemned Sherrod. If he did it wittingly, he was as dishonest as if he had edited it himself. If he did it without realizing the way the video was edited, he is an incapable and/or untrustworthy blogger/journalist.

3) If he needs "permission" to publish the whole video as he claims, either he got permission to publish the edited version (and went through with it, throwing the last shreds of his decency overboard), or he never got permission for any of the videos (in which case, he has a very selective memory with regards to copyright laws, which would be reasonable considering that he offered money to get his hands on private property before).

And yet, all of these option seem rather forced. The most likely answer is that Breitbart himself or one of his lackeys edited the video, just like his protégé James O'Keefe used to do.

204 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:19:58pm

re: #158 sattv4u2

re: #141 reine.de.tout

Sorry, but I see nothing nefarious or sinister about this

I work at a place that has a video wall similar to that. When/if we take a photo of it for marketing purposes we always make sure there is something on every screen. Hell, go into a retail store and look at their video walls. They do the same thing

Hey, Satt.
I don't see anything wrong with creating a photo scene for marketing purposes, either.

However, what BP is trying to represent here is that they've got a handle on the situation.
And I don't think they actually do. It is misleading to take a photo from 2001 (as one of those appears to be) and photoshop people into it. The images photoshopped onto the screens were the least objectionable item, IMO.

What this fake picture tells me is that THERE IS NO SUCH ROOM.

I have no doubt that BP is monitoring the situation with all they can. But they aren't doing here, or in this way.

They've been holding back all along on this thing, trying to spin it their way. Their employee made the decision, against the objections of many others who were out there at the time, AND with full knowledge that another company actually chartered a helicopter to get its people off the rig, rather than wait for BP to send the people home the next day.

Ah, I've gone on a bit of a rant. BP has not been completely honest in any part of this. The "integrity test" they sold as being critically necessary was, in fact, not necessary AT ALL, and it was a ruse to get that cap on there in HOPES that it would hold; they've gone back on their commitment to the government to start collecting that oil as soon as the integrity test was over, they now want to leave the cap in place until the relief well is finished.

I've put several pages up chronicling this stuff. I hope BP is never allowed back here to drill.


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