He was raised right and he’s gonna kick the hell out of Washington and save America from the worst President in history. My friends, can your hearts stand the shocking facts about the return of the son of Dan Quayle?
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:12:21pm |
Yes, because his father's legacy is such a thing of wonder and beauty.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:13:24pm |
I was just reading about he was apparently involved with some porn site and is trying to "clarify" his relationship with it.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:13:38pm |
Today's wingnuts will love the Quayle dynasty. I wonder what Stockdale's kids are up to these days. The Tea Party likes 'em stupid.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:14:32pm |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I was just reading about he was apparently involved with some porn site and is trying to "clarify" his relationship with it.
He only read the articles?
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:14:38pm |
Oh, man. He's got it. A natural, just like his father.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:14:59pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
Today's wingnuts will love the Quayle dynasty. I wonder what Stockdale's kids are up to these days. The Tea Party likes 'em stupid.
Low blow. Stockdale wasn't stupid.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:15:50pm |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I was just reading about he was apparently involved with some porn site and is trying to "clarify" his relationship with it.
Dan Quayle’s Son Liked To Post Sex Comments On Website
Aqua Buddha!
I don;t think today's wingnuts will be bothered by this.
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webevintage Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:15:50pm |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I was just reading about he was apparently involved with some porn site and is trying to "clarify" his relationship with it.
Dan Quayle’s Son Liked To Post Sex Comments On Website
[Link: wonkette.com...]
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darthstar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:15:52pm |
That's Ben "Brock" Quayle to you...co-founder of thedirty.com
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:16:16pm |
I thought he was gonna say "Worst. President. Ever." So much for my hope of a Quayle/Comic Book Guy convergence. :(
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webevintage Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:16:21pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
Dan Quayle’s Son Liked To Post Sex Comments On Website
Aqua Buddha!
I don;t think today's wingnuts will be bothered by this.
Jinx!!!
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:16:35pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:17:27pm |
re: #6 JasonA
Low blow. Stockdale wasn't stupid.
He should have gone by Sockdale-dot-com. It would have tanked in the early 90's but would be a viral video today.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:18:03pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
Just think if Son of Dan Quayle should marry Daughter of Sarah Palin (one that other guy disappears forever). They could have children and create the Tea Party Dynasty.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:18:18pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
He should have gone by Sockdale-dot-com. It would have tanked in the early 90's but would be a viral video today.
If I had money I would totally fund the Basil Marceaux campaign.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:20:48pm |
re: #16 NJDhockeyfan
Ben Quayle/Rand Paul 2012!
/
tehDirty and Aqua Buddha join to form...MECHA-SHIVA!
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pharmmajor Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:20:59pm |
As big a moron as his father.
We all know that Carter was the worst president. (oh snap!)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:21:12pm |
Quayle Fail: He printed a campaign brochure or something with him and 2 kids. Problem is, he and his wife do not have any children.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:21:35pm |
Nice ad, though. Notice how he steps into the darkness at the end, foreboding his journey to Washington/Barad-dûr.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:21:51pm |
re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
God damn! He's like perfect chauvinist douchebag! it's like hollywood called central casting for a cartoonishly douchey Young Republican stereotype, and it's that guy.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:22:06pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
Quayle Fail: He printed a campaign brochure or something with him and 2 kids. Problem is, he and his wife do not have any children.
They were still family, though. Niece and nephew, I think. I can't really get fauxtraged over that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:22:15pm |
re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
tehDirty and Aqua Buddha join to form...MECHA-SHIVA!
OW MY ARM CAME OFF
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED
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webevintage Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:22:27pm |
re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
From the Impossibly Sordid Mind of Dan Quayle’s Son Ben, Republican Candidate for Congress
For the record, Quayle is running on a platform of “Barack Obama is the worst president ever” and not “leadership means sitting in the dark with a bottle of whiskey.”
hahahahahaha
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:22:30pm |
I pushed play on that vid wanting to say that Charles was being over the top and Ben Quayle isn't so bad. Then I watched the vid and saw Charles was right on the money. The man compares DC to Mexican drug cartels (calling DC a "tax cartel"). Insane.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:24:02pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
Dan Quayle’s Son Liked To Post Sex Comments On Website
Aqua Buddha!
I don;t think today's wingnuts will be bothered by this.
That was FOUR YEARS ago!
"This is four years ago," Quayle replied. "This is hilarious this is being brought up. ... This is a smear. This is a smear on me from a smear website being pushed by a smear campaign."
Yeah...you were "just a kid" way back in 2006, right?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:24:46pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
Quayle Fail: He printed a campaign brochure or something with him and 2 kids. Problem is, he and his wife do not have any children.
[Link: wonkette.com...]
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:25:14pm |
re: #6 JasonA
Low blow. Stockdale wasn't stupid.
Oh? He managed to lose a vice presidential debate by an epic margin. I watched that. Stockdale gave a damned good impression of being well past his best-if-used-by date.
Ross Perot blew himself out of the water with his Hamlet antics. Guy can't pull the trigger on a decision to run or not shouldn't be running for President.
As to Quayle Junior, did he grow up with a Mr. Potatoe toy set?
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pharmmajor Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:25:21pm |
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webevintage Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:25:41pm |
Quayle and dirty.com/Brock Landers is another reminders kiddies that the internets is forever.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:26:03pm |
re: #23 JasonA
They were still family, though. Niece and nephew, I think. I can't really get fauxtraged over that.
You're not trying hard enough! ;)
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:26:06pm |
re: #30 lostlakehiker
Oh? He managed to lose a vice presidential debate by an epic margin. I watched that. Stockdale gave a damned good impression of being well past his best-if-used-by date.
Ross Perot blew himself out of the water with his Hamlet antics. Guy can't pull the trigger on a decision to run or not shouldn't be running for President.
As to Quayle Junior, did he grow up with a Mr. Potatoe toy set?
Just being horrible on camera doesn't make the guy stupid, though.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:27:52pm |
re: #23 JasonA
They were still family, though. Niece and nephew, I think. I can't really get fauxtraged over that.
"The girls, he said, are relatives of a staff member and happened to be at a campaign event. Besides, images of kids and family are often used in campaign ads as a sort of short-hand way to illustrate pro-family and pro-life stances, Moley said"
Relatives of a staff member!!! Pandering.
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webevintage Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:27:57pm |
re: #23 JasonA
They were still family, though. Niece and nephew, I think. I can't really get fauxtraged over that.
I thought they were some kids he hired to pretend to be his kids thus ensuring that folks knew of his family values because everyone knows you can't have family values without a family.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:28:04pm |
And what does he mean his generation will "inherit drug cartels in Mexico"? Is his daddy a stockholder or something?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:28:27pm |
Of course, when I see the name Brock Landers, one thing immeadiately comes to mind.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:28:44pm |
re: #27 darthstar
That was FOUR YEARS ago!
Yeah...you were "just a kid" way back in 2006, right?
It's like, someone needs to tell this guy that if he doesn't want Vanity Fair to protray him as an asshole, he probably shouldn't be saying a bunch of assholey stuff on the internet. Weird! And pretty unwise from the son of a vice-president.
I KNOW THE WAY TO BECOME A CONGRESSMAN I'LL INSULT ALL MY FEMALE CONSTITUENTS THAT'LL SHOW THEM
WHERES MY BACKWARDS BASEBALL CAP
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:29:49pm |
re: #28 Stanley Sea
[Link: wonkette.com...]
Rival backs off attack on Quayle family photo
Contrary to what Parker and the news article originally said, however, the girls turned out to be members of Quayle's family after all. They were his nieces.
C'mon. Let's pick our battles more carefully :)
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:30:15pm |
re: #31 pharmmajor
The Dems and the GOP screwed it up.
yes, the the blame for the failures, and the mob to find solutions...
not looking good in that regard
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:30:53pm |
re: #36 Stanley Sea
"The girls, he said, are relatives of a staff member and happened to be at a campaign event. Besides, images of kids and family are often used in campaign ads as a sort of short-hand way to illustrate pro-family and pro-life stances, Moley said"
Relatives of a staff member!!! Pandering.
THEY LOANED HIM SOME CHILDREN :D
hahahah you cannot make this shit up
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webevintage Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:31:13pm |
re: #41 JasonA
Rival backs off attack on Quayle family photo
C'mon. Let's pick our battles more carefully :)
Maybe, but you have to admit it is funny and kind of odd.
I mean who does that?
If you don't have kids you don't have kids...there is nothing wrong with that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:31:21pm |
re: #41 JasonA
Rival backs off attack on Quayle family photo
C'mon. Let's pick our battles more carefully :)
well dammit, it was almost funny :D
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:31:21pm |
re: #40 WindUpBird
It's like, someone needs to tell this guy that if he doesn't want Vanity Fair to protray him as an asshole, he probably shouldn't be saying a bunch of assholey stuff on the internet.
Damn. My senate run is fucked.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:32:02pm |
re: #38 Nimed
And what does he mean his generation will "inherit drug cartels in Mexico"? Is his daddy a stockholder or something?
you'll see, soon enough...there is no reason for the cartels to not use the open borders to their advantage...they are here now, going about at will
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:32:09pm |
oh crap! another Hoosier on the edge..Was it potatoe or potato? I forget
or was it tater? Crap
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:32:13pm |
re: #41 JasonA
Rival backs off attack on Quayle family photo
C'mon. Let's pick our battles more carefully :)
So his sister/brother work for him?
What ev, I think it's false advertising.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:32:14pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:32:21pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:32:55pm |
re: #44 webevintage
Maybe, but you have to admit it is funny and kind of odd.
I mean who does that?
If you don't have kids you don't have kids...there is nothing wrong with that.
Oh yes, it will paint you as an abortive Dem probably.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:33:00pm |
re: #41 JasonA
Rival backs off attack on Quayle family photo
C'mon. Let's pick our battles more carefully :)
agreed, he's a small time punching bag
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:33:03pm |
re: #49 Stanley Sea
So his sister/brother work for him?
What ev, I think it's false advertising.
Among the crappy things our candidates do while campaigning, this one is really low on my list.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:33:13pm |
re: #41 JasonA
Fauxtrage.
Ur doin it rong
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:33:25pm |
re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Of course, when I see the name Brock Landers, one thing immeadiately comes to mind.
[Video]
It's a Boogie Nights reference. It's the name Mark Wahlberg's character gives to the role he plays in the porn movie that proves his greatest success.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:34:12pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
It's a Boogie Nights reference. It's the name Mark Wahlberg's character gives to the role he plays in the porn movie that proves his greatest success.
It works on several levels.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:34:16pm |
re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth
Fauxtrage.
Ur doin it rong
I know, I know. I need to go watch more Pam Geller clips. If I'm not back in 30 minutes, dial 911.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:34:59pm |
re: #51 WindUpBird
Hey, Traficant was elected! :D
Yeah, I can do that thing he did, whats that called again?
Oh yeah, lying. I can do that!!
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:35:01pm |
re: #59 JasonA
I know, I know. I need to go watch more Pam Geller clips. If I'm not back in 30 minutes, dial 911.
No, the danger threshold is four hours. Ain't you seen them commercials? ///
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:36:21pm |
Oops. Now I'll never be able to run for the senate.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:37:28pm |
re: #61 lostlakehiker
"If your Fauxtrage lasts more than four hours, consult Reality immediately".
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:38:11pm |
re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Damn. My senate run is fucked.
depends...like WUB said, if you have great hair, you can overcome a lot of shizniggity...
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:39:35pm |
Is it just me, or does the opening "worst President in history" line make it sound like you're about to read a Hot Air comment?
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:39:42pm |
When the going gets weird, well, this election cycle is bizarre. Loons coming out of the woodwork. Hopefully, Quayle fils got his smarts from his mom.
But this cycle is one for the ages. At some point, one must sit back in awe at the *strangeness* of it all. I've never seen anything like it, and it'll be real interesting to see what the voting polity makes of it.
Used to be that Cons referred to Dems as moonbats. I'm not sure that that phrase might be more appropriate for the Cons this cycle. Teh crazy is deeply embraced by these people.
(As a sidebar, I wonder how many of these people realize that Saint Ayn was born Alisa Zino'yevnah Rosenbaum in St. Petersburg, Russia?)
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:39:49pm |
I need some help with something.
Does anyone know where I can get free web pages that can be modified easily and quickly. I had one a while back but my first server's drive died and I didn't have a back up. Now I need something I can throw up in an evening, but all I can find on the web are pages that require image modification or adding extra pages.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:40:52pm |
re: #49 Stanley Sea
This is false advertising.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:42:25pm |
re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth
This is false advertising.
Because it suggests that people still use MySpace?
/
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:42:46pm |
re: #67 b_sharp
There are free sites like a Yola and Weebly. Good enough?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:42:59pm |
re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth
This is false advertising.
That's not the same girl, the head and the bod.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:43:23pm |
re: #66 austin_blue
When the going gets weird, well, this election cycle is bizarre. Loons coming out of the woodwork. Hopefully, Quayle fils got his smarts from his mom.
But this cycle is one for the ages. At some point, one must sit back in awe at the *strangeness* of it all. I've never seen anything like it, and it'll be real interesting to see what the voting polity makes of it.
Used to be that Cons referred to Dems as moonbats. I'm not sure that that phrase might be more appropriate for the Cons this cycle. Teh crazy is deeply embraced by these people.
(As a sidebar, I wonder how many of these people realize that Saint Ayn was born Alisa Zino'yevnah Rosenbaum in St. Petersburg, Russia?)
Ya gotta understand the terminology. Loonies on the Left are called "Moonbats," ones on the Right "Wingnuts."
And those in the middle are called "Voters."
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:43:44pm |
re: #30 lostlakehiker
Oh? He managed to lose a vice presidential debate by an epic margin. I watched that. Stockdale gave a damned good impression of being well past his best-if-used-by date.
Ross Perot blew himself out of the water with his Hamlet antics. Guy can't pull the trigger on a decision to run or not shouldn't be running for President.
As to Quayle Junior, did he grow up with a Mr. Potatoe toy set?
Stockdale may not have been a good political candidate, but he was a hell of a Navy vet...Perot picked him in order get some conservative bonafides.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:43:51pm |
re: #65 JasonA
Is it just me, or does the opening "worst President in history" line make it sound like you're about to read a Hot Air comment?
Heh, you probably are hearing a Hot Air comment.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:43:56pm |
re: #71 Stanley Sea
That's not the same girl, the head and the bod.
She'd have a fat face too.
Walter's gone to work right?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:43:58pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:45:04pm |
re: #71 Stanley Sea
Here's a larger version. I can't tell, really.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:45:24pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
Quayle Fail: He printed a campaign brochure or something with him and 2 kids. Problem is, he and his wife do not have any children.
Those are his coloring book buddies.
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BongCrodny Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:46:49pm |
He kinda sorta looks a bit like Paul Reiser in Aliens.
"I'm Burke. Carter Burke. I work for the company. But don't let that fool you, I'm really an okay guy."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:46:49pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
No one's making fun of the girl's weight, so I doubt anyone should get butt-hurt over it.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:46:58pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:47:25pm |
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:47:29pm |
Dan Quayle was kind of like an earlier version of the "Sarah Palin" strategy. GHWB picked him for the Veep spot to bolster the ticket because he was young, attractive (?), had conservative credentials, and not much of a record to sift through.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:48:25pm |
re: #83 mich-again
Dan Quayle was kind of like an earlier version of the "Sarah Palin" strategy. GHWB picked him for the Veep spot to bolster the ticket because he was young, attractive (?), had conservative credentials, and not much of a record to sift through.
Exactly! And the pick offended women who were supposed to swoon.
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:49:23pm |
re: #70 freetoken
There are free sites like a Yola and Weebly. Good enough?
I don't know, I've never heard of them. I have my own server and domain name so I guess it depends on the transferability of the site.
I'll go take a look.
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theheat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:50:50pm |
Wow, how exciting. This superstud and Newt can campaign together under the Douchebag umbrella. (D) next to their name doesn't necessarily stand for Democrat.
I wonder if all those infamous repressed GOP women are clutching their pearls, or if they secretly find him sexy.
He makes me gag.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:51:17pm |
re: #83 mich-again
Dan Quayle was kind of like an earlier version of the "Sarah Palin" strategy. GHWB picked him for the Veep spot to bolster the ticket because he was young, attractive (?), had conservative credentials, and not much of a record to sift through.
Compared to the opposite strategy, which Obama used, which is finding a Veep candidate who's got years of "experience," a (relatively) "clean" record, and boasts "bipartisan" ties.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:51:40pm |
re: #84 Stanley Sea
Exactly! And the pick offended women who were supposed to swoon.
Seriously. I he wanted the "swoon effect", he shoulda picked me as a running mate. I'm prettier than Cassius Clay.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:52:01pm |
re: #85 b_sharp
Those sites are for those without their own domains.
Does you ISP provide you with a simple web site making tool? Many do.
If you're on the Mac, iWeb can be used to make pretty pages fairly easily.
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:52:07pm |
re: #84 Stanley Sea
Exactly! And the pick offended women who were supposed to swoon.
Yeah but they still had enough gas in the tank to beat Zorba the Clerk takes a ride in the tank Dukakis. And then, 4 glorious years with microphones recording all the stupid things Dan Quayle said. He was a gold mine for quotes.
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:52:16pm |
re: #72 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ya gotta understand the terminology. Loonies on the Left are called "Moonbats," ones on the Right "Wingnuts."
And those in the middle are called "Voters."
Okay, but what if the Wingnuts turn into Moonbats? I mean, the only sane voices out there seem to be Dems and the quickly disappearing Repub "moderate".
I guess what I'm saying is that the Dems have always had their crazies, but they were few in number. They would twist off the handle and the rest of the Dems in Congress would say, "Perhaps the Congresscritter misspoke {cringe}."
But on the Repub side right now, this seems to be becoming more and more the norm. I don't know, but $26 billion for school teachers and first responders doled out to the States tow weeks before classes start seems pretty reasonable to me. Mitch McConnell wants to make it the next coming of the Anti-Christ. Does he really think this appeals to the middle?
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:54:01pm |
re: #87 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Compared to the opposite strategy, which Obama used, which is finding a Veep candidate who's got years of "experience," a (relatively) "clean" record, and boasts "bipartisan" ties.
Biden is a ball and chain, not presidential or even a robust campaign helper, but neither is BO at this point...guess they have to pull out their secret weapon, MO...the dems are hurtin
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:54:01pm |
Sorry I'm not saying much, but my back is really screaming tonight. I'm in a great deal of pain.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:54:35pm |
There was somebody on here today talking about how GHW Bush was hisherits favorite Republican president.
OK.
Let's review. George Herbert Walker Bush famously (and correctly) pointed out that Saint Fucktard Reagan's "supply side" nonsense was voodoo economics.
That was when GHW was running against Reagan for the goopy nomination.
When he lost, he backed down, retracted, and served out eight years as the veep of the Great Prevaricator.
Then, when his turn came around, he picked a blithering idiot to be his vice-presidential nominee, because he thought de wymyns would like that cute haircut.
Bush: The Dynasty of Stupid Calculating Crawling Panders.
It rivals anything that was ever written about Roman emperors.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:54:35pm |
re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth
Seriously. I he wanted the "swoon effect", he shoulda picked me as a running mate. I'm prettier than Cassius Clay.
and sting like a knat
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:54:39pm |
re: #30 lostlakehiker
Oh? He managed to lose a vice presidential debate by an epic margin. I watched that. Stockdale gave a damned good impression of being well past his best-if-used-by date.
Ross Perot blew himself out of the water with his Hamlet antics. Guy can't pull the trigger on a decision to run or not shouldn't be running for President.
As to Quayle Junior, did he grow up with a Mr. Potatoe toy set?
Just one more thing about Vice Admiral James Stockdale, from Dennis Miller (quoth the Wiki):
Dennis Miller succinctly described Stockdale's predicament in 1993:
Now I know (Stockdale's name has) become a buzzword in this culture for doddering old man, but let's look at the record, folks. The guy was the first guy in and the last guy out of Vietnam, a war that many Americans, including our present President, did not want to dirty their hands with. The reason he had to turn his hearing aid on at that debate is because those fucking animals knocked his eardrums out when he wouldn't spill his guts. He teaches philosophy at Stanford University, he's a brilliant, sensitive, courageous man. And yet he committed the one unpardonable sin in our culture: he was bad on television.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:54:48pm |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
Sorry I'm not saying much, but my back is really screaming tonight. I'm in a great deal of pain.
I find alternating hot and cold packs help when my back acts up.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:55:38pm |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
Quiet down, Chatty Cathy. You on diet pills or something?
/
Hope your back feels better, dude.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:56:11pm |
re: #83 mich-again
Dan Quayle was kind of like an earlier version of the "Sarah Palin" strategy. GHWB picked him for the Veep spot to bolster the ticket because he was young, attractive (?), had conservative credentials, and not much of a record to sift through.
Good point. So either Dan Quayle was weirdly ahead of his time or it doesn't work that well in men (but see Brown, Scott).
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:56:46pm |
re: #91 austin_blue
Okay, but what if the Wingnuts turn into Moonbats? I mean, the only sane voices out there seem to be Dems and the quickly disappearing Repub "moderate".
I guess what I'm saying is that the Dems have always had their crazies, but they were few in number. They would twist off the handle and the rest of the Dems in Congress would say, "Perhaps the Congresscritter misspoke {cringe}."
But on the Repub side right now, this seems to be becoming more and more the norm. I don't know, but $26 billion for school teachers and first responders doled out to the States tow weeks before classes start seems pretty reasonable to me. Mitch McConnell wants to make it the next coming of the Anti-Christ. Does he really think this appeals to the middle?
The problem is that the Feds keep tossing out these stimulus fixes, which just keeps states and cities from having to reform their budgets. I suggest passing this patch, but make it clear that the next patch is going to be a good bit smaller. Budgets will need to be cut accordingly. That strikes me as a reasonable approach.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:56:49pm |
re: #96 albusteve
What can I say? I'm a lover, not a stinger.
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:57:09pm |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
Sorry I'm not saying much, but my back is really screaming tonight. I'm in a great deal of pain.
Naprosin Sodium. Aleve. Take it from a post-op, three time canular-injected lumbar steroid veteran of back pain. Aleve is your friend.
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Ojoe Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:57:14pm |
The Gloaming, with a smog stratum. Towercam, San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
Tonight's towercam.
& I think Ben Q. ought to grow a beard.
I won't trust male politicians unless they have full beards.
Grunt.
Good night.
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:57:46pm |
re: #91 austin_blue
and the quickly disappearing Repub "moderate".
The GOP in Michigan picked a moderate candidate for the Governor's race this Fall, Rick Snyder. The Tea Party crowd is pretty cheesed that a moderate Republican beat their "true conservative".
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:58:47pm |
re: #91 austin_blue
Okay, but what if the Wingnuts turn into Moonbats? I mean, the only sane voices out there seem to be Dems and the quickly disappearing Repub "moderate".
I guess what I'm saying is that the Dems have always had their crazies, but they were few in number. They would twist off the handle and the rest of the Dems in Congress would say, "Perhaps the Congresscritter misspoke {cringe}."
But on the Repub side right now, this seems to be becoming more and more the norm. I don't know, but $26 billion for school teachers and first responders doled out to the States tow weeks before classes start seems pretty reasonable to me. Mitch McConnell wants to make it the next coming of the Anti-Christ. Does he really think this appeals to the middle?
how much doling out before you can't dole out anymore?...it does nothing to help FIX the problem...it's pandering and you know it, but who could argue against teachers eh?
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:59:34pm |
re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I find alternating hot and cold packs help when my back acts up.
dope and relaxation...mostly dope tho
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:00:18pm |
re: #91 austin_blue
Okay, but what if the Wingnuts turn into Moonbats? I mean, the only sane voices out there seem to be Dems and the quickly disappearing Repub "moderate".
I guess what I'm saying is that the Dems have always had their crazies, but they were few in number. They would twist off the handle and the rest of the Dems in Congress would say, "Perhaps the Congresscritter misspoke {cringe}."
But on the Repub side right now, this seems to be becoming more and more the norm. I don't know, but $26 billion for school teachers and first responders doled out to the States tow weeks before classes start seems pretty reasonable to me. Mitch McConnell wants to make it the next coming of the Anti-Christ. Does he really think this appeals to the middle?
Yeah, it might just be differing political opinions, but I can remember more than a few Congresscritters of the Democratic persuasion who dabbled in Left Wing nuttery during the Bush years. Presidential candidates in '04 campaigning on ending the Iraq War when it wasn't even a year old, suggesting the return of the draft (with Charlie Rangel reintroducing his bill every few months), humming a few bars that sounded like trooferism, a few calling for Bush's impeachment, and so forth.
The crazy's always been there, it's just becoming more apparent in the Digital Age. Now we don't have to wait years or decades for "tell-all" books to reveal to us the dirty little secrets and scandals.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:01:05pm |
re: #105 mich-again
The GOP in Michigan picked a moderate candidate for the Governor's race this Fall, Rick Snyder. The Tea Party crowd is pretty cheesed that a moderate Republican beat their "true conservative".
really?...interesting...will Michiganders be able to wean themselves off the dem teet?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:02:17pm |
re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth
Quiet down, Chatty Cathy. You on diet pills or something?
/Hope your back feels better, dude.
No, I threw it bending down to tie my shoes on Saturday. I've been in pain ever since.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:02:55pm |
re: #103 austin_blue
Naprosin Sodium. Aleve. Take it from a post-op, three time canular-injected lumbar steroid veteran of back pain. Aleve is your friend.
Already got it but forgot to take it. Thanks for reminding me.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:03:10pm |
re: #105 mich-again
Heh, he advocates mass transit. Certainly the sign of a communist, no?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:03:12pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
No, I threw it bending down to tie my shoes on Saturday. I've been in pain ever since.
600 Mg. Ibuprofen.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:03:14pm |
re: #105 mich-again
The GOP in Michigan picked a moderate candidate for the Governor's race this Fall, Rick Snyder. The Tea Party crowd is pretty cheesed that a moderate Republican beat their "true conservative".
Tea Party crowd in Louisiana is making recorded phone calls to households to warn of *shudder* those politicians who are RINOS!!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:03:39pm |
re: #65 JasonA
Is it just me, or does the opening "worst President in history" line make it sound like you're about to read a Hot Air comment?
Yeah, It's simplistic wingnut pandering. A very simple formula.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:03:43pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
No, I threw it bending down to tie my shoes on Saturday. I've been in pain ever since.
wear some type of slip on shoe...do not continue to repeat whatever it is that aggravates your spine
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:04:12pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
Sorry to hear it, bro. I've tweeked my back yawning the "wrong way" before. Stretching and strength training get more and more critical the older one gets.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:04:16pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that the Feds keep tossing out these stimulus fixes, which just keeps states and cities from having to reform their budgets. I suggest passing this patch, but make it clear that the next patch is going to be a good bit smaller. Budgets will need to be cut accordingly. That strikes me as a reasonable approach.
Unfortunately, the Recovery Act set the precedent, which is that all the states need to do to get a huge cash infusion is scare voters with "doom-and-gloom" about how they're gonna have to cut everything from the number of cops on the street to the number of beans in school lunches.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:04:31pm |
Just imagine:
Sawah Pawin becomes President in 1012.
Ben Quayle enters his second term as a congresscritter.
Bristol the snotbat makes a marriage of political convenience and sires a son, Truck Quayle III (the "III" being added on to impress the yokels), and in 2032, we elect the youngest pwesident evew (aged 20), the scion of two of the stupidest people on the planet, to deal with China.
Thankfully, I'll be dead by then.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:05:22pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
Already got it but forgot to take it. Thanks for reminding me.
After taking the analgesic, perhaps you can have some fun looking at this table.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:05:41pm |
re: #119 Cato the Elder
Just imagine:
Sawah Pawin becomes President in 1012.
Ben Quayle enters his second term as a congresscritter.
Bristol the snotbat makes a marriage of political convenience and sires a son, Truck Quayle III (the "III" being added on to impress the yokels), and in 2032, we elect the youngest pwesident evew (aged 20), the scion of two of the stupidest people on the planet, to deal with China.
Thankfully, I'll be dead by then.
Honestly, do you think we would last till 2032 with that scenario?
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:06:20pm |
re: #119 Cato the Elder
Just imagine:
Sawah Pawin becomes President in 1012.
Ben Quayle enters his second term as a congresscritter.
Bristol the snotbat makes a marriage of political convenience and sires a son, Truck Quayle III (the "III" being added on to impress the yokels), and in 2032, we elect the youngest pwesident evew (aged 20), the scion of two of the stupidest people on the planet, to deal with China.
Thankfully, I'll be dead by then.
I dunno..Bristol and Ben..would that be called a Tea Cozy?
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:06:32pm |
re: #119 Cato the Elder
Just imagine:
Sawah Pawin becomes President in 1012.
Ben Quayle enters his second term as a congresscritter.
Bristol the snotbat makes a marriage of political convenience and sires a son, Truck Quayle III (the "III" being added on to impress the yokels), and in 2032, we elect the youngest pwesident evew (aged 20), the scion of two of the stupidest people on the planet, to deal with China.
Thankfully, I'll be dead by then.
you are too deep in...a slave to Palins behavior...think about what a wonderful person you might be otherwise...or do you like it?
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:06:36pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that the Feds keep tossing out these stimulus fixes, which just keeps states and cities from having to reform their budgets. I suggest passing this patch, but make it clear that the next patch is going to be a good bit smaller. Budgets will need to be cut accordingly. That strikes me as a reasonable approach.
Dude, please, quit blaming the victims. Investment units all over the world believed the big boys when they floated the derivatives with AAA ratings by the "guard dog" rating services who were in it up to their necks and being lap dogs.
This was a failure of regulatory oversight and nothing else. The Investment Banks created "investment instruments" that were shit that they knew were shit that were hidden from being widely known as shit by ratings organizations that were paid to not describe the instruments being sold as shit.
Why people aren't in jail is beyond me.
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:07:04pm |
re: #106 albusteve
The problem with the schools is not just that the teachers have such lucrative contracts. IMO that isn't the biggest problem with the budget. School districts around here spend about 3 times more per student on building costs and non-teacher salaries and expenses than they spend on the teacher. One problem is that principals who run the schools are not trained to be HR managers or business managers. They're teachers who got promoted to boss, but nothing in their training prepares them to manage a multi-million dollar operation like a school. And the local dupes on the school board who get elected in summer elections no one cares about are even less likely to know how to negotiate contracts with a variety of unions and set budgets. The whole system is a hodge-podge mess.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:07:52pm |
re: #124 austin_blue
Dude, please, quit blaming the victims. Investment units all over the world believed the big boys when they floated the derivatives with AAA ratings by the "guard dog" rating services who were in it up to their necks and being lap dogs.
This was a failure of regulatory oversight and nothing else. The Investment Banks created "investment instruments" that were shit that they knew were shit that were hidden from being widely known as shit by ratings organizations that were paid to not describe the instruments being sold as shit.
Why people aren't in jail is beyond me.
dig that
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:08:01pm |
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:08:18pm |
re: #89 freetoken
Those sites are for those without their own domains.
Does you ISP provide you with a simple web site making tool? Many do.
If you're on the Mac, iWeb can be used to make pretty pages fairly easily.
I have no idea. Time for a look I guess.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:08:27pm |
re: #117 Slumbering Behemoth
Sorry to hear it, bro. I've tweeked my back yawning the "wrong way" before. Stretching and strength training get more and more critical the older one gets.
????
True enough, but:
- you're not even 40
- DF is in his early thirties
Isn't it too soon to worry about that?
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theheat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:08:39pm |
re: #105 mich-again
I hate to ask what a moderate Republican believes in these days. Do they believe the earth is 12,000 years old instead of 6,000 or ??
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:09:19pm |
re: #125 mich-again
The problem with the schools is not just that the teachers have such lucrative contracts. IMO that isn't the biggest problem with the budget. School districts around here spend about 3 times more per student on building costs and non-teacher salaries and expenses than they spend on the teacher. One problem is that principals who run the schools are not trained to be HR managers or business managers. They're teachers who got promoted to boss, but nothing in their training prepares them to manage a multi-million dollar operation like a school. And the local dupes on the school board who get elected in summer elections no one cares about are even less likely to know how to negotiate contracts with a variety of unions and set budgets. The whole system is a hodge-podge mess.
the Peter Principle in practice
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theheat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:10:05pm |
Whoa, Mr. Heat brought home pizza. To me, that's way sexier than this dude.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:10:29pm |
re: #129 Nimed
Uh, I'll be 40 next year. But hey, glad to know you don't think I'm that old.
It's 'cuz I'm dead sexy, innit?
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:10:46pm |
re: #106 albusteve
how much doling out before you can't dole out anymore?...it does nothing to help FIX the problem...it's pandering and you know it, but who could argue against teachers eh?
No, Steve, it keeps the problem from being worse. There is an obvious solution here. Institute Canadian banking rules (they sailed through the crisis without a snag), repeal the limits on payroll and social security taxes to apply to all earned income, and change tax policy and reinstitute 1955 (the good old days!) tax structure.
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:10:56pm |
re: #132 theheat
Whoa, Mr. Heat brought home pizza. To me, that's way sexier than this dude.
Stop typing and start eating.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:11:18pm |
re: #132 theheat
Whoa, Mr. Heat brought home pizza. To me, that's way sexier than this dude.
Pick off the pineapple.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:11:31pm |
re: #130 theheat
I hate to ask what a moderate Republican believes in these days. Do they believe the earth is 12,000 years old instead of 6,000 or ??
"Do we have to take everything the Bible says literally and if the answer is no, what parts are we free to interpret and how?"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:11:45pm |
re: #132 theheat
Whoa, Mr. Heat brought home pizza. To me, that's way sexier than this dude.
There best not be pineapple on that pie.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:11:48pm |
re: #130 theheat
I hate to ask what a moderate Republican believes in these days. Do they believe the earth is 12,000 years old instead of 6,000 or ??
Do you want an honest answer?
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:12:30pm |
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:12:48pm |
Ben Quayle. Little rich boy corporate candidate. Even the logo looks like a design for an oil company. He's not a very good actor either.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:13:02pm |
re: #130 theheat
His website has several white papers. He may be the last of the non-troglodyte Republicans.
He's not getting any love from the Tea Partying Trogs:
There are some concerns that the GOP nominee for governor has some work to do on his right flank.The majority endorse Rick Snyder, but some are holding out for now. Over half of the republicans who voted for governor did not support Mr. Snyder. He has 86% of the republican vote in the latest survey, which is very good, but what about the other 14%? Is he in trouble with those conservatives? To test that question, 6 News did a survey of the 22 republican state senators. When asked if they supported Snyder, the bulk immediately said yes.Sen. Mike Nofs, (R) Battle Creek: "I think Rick Snyder is a good guy."
And then there were several senators who paused before they answered the question, do you support Mr. Snyder?
Sen. Jud Gilbert, (R) Macomb County: "I guess I'd like to hear a little bit more about him. I think at the end of the day, I'll certainly be a supporter of his."
One senator also paused when asked.
Sen. Bill Haridman, (R) Grand Rapids: "Certainly I think he's the republican nominee."
The senator wants to talk with Mr. Snyder and expects to endorse him. Unless Snyder can convince some voters that really is pro-life, some might not vote for him. The Snyder team says it is working to avoid that.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:13:13pm |
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:13:36pm |
re: #134 austin_blue
No, Steve, it keeps the problem from being worse. There is an obvious solution here. Institute Canadian banking rules (they sailed through the crisis without a snag), repeal the limits on payroll and social security taxes to apply to all earned income, and change tax policy and reinstitute 1955 (the good old days!) tax structure.
I realize that it almost has to happen, but states have to find solutions to these union benefit problems...it is unfair to ask tax payers from one state to bail out another, more than once...people are gonna get real pissy about this issue
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:14:14pm |
A downdinging fetish boy, Matrix,
always makes his appearances late. Tricks
and trumps for the dorks.
They eat shit with sporks.
And shit out the remnants as great tricks.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:14:20pm |
re: #124 austin_blue
Dude, please, quit blaming the victims. Investment units all over the world believed the big boys when they floated the derivatives with AAA ratings by the "guard dog" rating services who were in it up to their necks and being lap dogs.
This was a failure of regulatory oversight and nothing else. The Investment Banks created "investment instruments" that were shit that they knew were shit that were hidden from being widely known as shit by ratings organizations that were paid to not describe the instruments being sold as shit.
Why people aren't in jail is beyond me.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the emergency aid Obama has used to help states and municipalities avoid having to make budget cuts. What I'm saying is that some (not all) of those cuts really need to be made and any future such support needs to be smaller to induce those local governments to live within their means.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:14:29pm |
A Jewish looking Dan Quayle? He has a funny sing~song quality to his speaking voice.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:14:58pm |
re: #146 Cato the Elder
LOL, he appeared at that post!
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:15:32pm |
re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Do we have to take everything the Bible says literally and if the answer is no, what parts are we free to interpret and how?"
I reject all of it...simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:15:46pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:16:15pm |
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avanti Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:16:32pm |
I went to Atlantic City two weeks ago when they had a water main break that killed the air conditioning, making for a miserable trip ending with me being stuck on a over heated elevator at 4 AM for about 15 minutes.
I wrote a friendly letter pointing out that the maintenance guy knew the one working elevator had issues but still put me on the damn thing. I got a phone call from a big wig at the casino apologizing and asking what he could do to make me happy. I explained I wasn't going to sue or anything, I just wanted to point out the risk involved had a person in ill health or claustrophobic been stuck.
Today, in the mail I got a embarrassing number of free slot coupons and a thank you for the letter. Nice to see a company make the gesture to keep a regular customer happy.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:16:45pm |
re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth
Uh, I'll be 40 next year. But hey, glad to know you don't think I'm that old.
It's 'cuz I'm dead sexy, innit?
Eh. We've talked about it before (something about comic books convention). Also humor, cultural and video game references, your avatar.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:17:22pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the emergency aid Obama has used to help states and municipalities avoid having to make budget cuts. What I'm saying is that some (not all) of those cuts really need to be made and any future such support needs to be smaller to induce those local governments to live within their means.
they will line up 50 deep, you watch...I've been ragging on this for two years now
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:17:45pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the emergency aid Obama has used to help states and municipalities avoid having to make budget cuts. What I'm saying is that some (not all) of those cuts really need to be made and any future such support needs to be smaller to induce those local governments to live within their means.
I would agree, but the problem isn't the government, it's the governed.
We can't keep kidding ourselves that we can get the services (or tax cuts we want) and keep expecting someone else to pay for it, either by raising taxes on the rich or cutting services to the poor.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:18:18pm |
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:18:32pm |
re: #143 freetoken
Some of the tea party crowd is whining that Michigan's open primaries allowed Democrats to flock to the polls and cross lines to pick Rick Snyder for the GOP ballot because he would be the weakest GOP candidate to face in the General. Thems some convoluted sour grapes.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:18:44pm |
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:18:50pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:18:55pm |
re: #154 avanti
Speaking of which, weren't you going to call me someday and take me on a learning trip to a casino?
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:18:56pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:18:57pm |
re: #155 TheMatrix31
Lots of things make me laugh.
orly? I thought you were one of our resident grumps! Or maybe that's just when we talk about THE FUCKING WORLD CHAMPION LAKERS!
An oldie, but sooo good.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:19:21pm |
re: #159 PT Barnum
I would agree, but the problem isn't the government, it's the governed.
We can't keep kidding ourselves that we can get the services (or tax cuts we want) and keep expecting someone else to pay for it, either by raising taxes on the rich or cutting services to the poor.
One could argue that its government which has allowed the governed to expect such things over the decades.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:19:30pm |
re: #156 Nimed
Aww, man. So you're saying it's not 'cuz I'm dead sexy, but because I am "immature". Meh, I can live with that.
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:19:31pm |
re: #160 albusteve
I strive to be classless
By accident? I admit. This morning I opened up a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli and ate it straight out of the can.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:20:13pm |
Night Lizards. Time to crawl back under that rock I mentioned in the last tread. Sleep well.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:20:45pm |
re: #159 PT Barnum
I would agree, but the problem isn't the government, it's the governed.
We can't keep kidding ourselves that we can get the services (or tax cuts we want) and keep expecting someone else to pay for it, either by raising taxes on the rich or cutting services to the poor.
it's not about services, it's about bloated, unpayable union benefits...the unions demand and the legislatures give in at the expense of taxpayers...a sweet deal...everybody knows it
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:21:08pm |
re: #160 albusteve
I strive to be classless
That answer was pretty classy. Almost an instant classic.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:21:19pm |
I just ordered a ham and pineapple pizza.
Image: 1062.jpg
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:21:20pm |
re: #145 albusteve
I realize that it almost has to happen, but states have to find solutions to these union benefit problems...it is unfair to ask tax payers from one state to bail out another, more than once...people are gonna get real pissy about this issue
It's a *huge* problem! A promise made to State workers (or Feds or the Military) and not kept is immoral. State, Federal, and Military personnel accept lower wages than those in the private sector, (see Blackwater, Consultants, &c) to be civil servants (to work as the advocates for citizens of a state or nation) in large part because they know they will get benefits in their dottage that are as good or better than those received by equivalent workers in the private sector. If those promises are not kept, all hell will break loose. And should.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:21:25pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
By accident? I admit. This morning I opened up a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli and ate it straight out of the can.
You have the class of a dirty toenail.
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:21:59pm |
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:22:37pm |
re: #167 TheMatrix31
One could argue that its government which has allowed the governed to expect such things over the decades.
I'm not sure most people want something for nothing all the time, but they do appreciate it being there when they absolutely need it. I've had to use public services (WIC for my first child because we were poor as churchmice) and I appreciate the hell out it. I don't see a problem with helping each other out, but I do have a problem with transferring ever increasing amounts of wealth from the have nots to the haves through tax breaks that don't do anything but line the pockets of people who have no incentive to reinvest it in any way that improves the lot of those who the wealth was transferred from.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:22:57pm |
re: #168 Slumbering Behemoth
Aww, man. So you're saying it's not 'cuz I'm dead sexy, but because I am "immature". Meh, I can live with that.
I liked your "living alone" page. People drive me crazy but I can't live alone.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:23:08pm |
re: #166 Stanley Sea
orly? I thought you were one of our resident grumps! Or maybe that's just when we talk about THE FUCKING WORLD CHAMPION LAKERS!
An oldie, but sooo good.
[Video]
This post reminds me that I need to stop sitting around watching baseball and go to Target to buy toilet paper.
See y'all later.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:23:13pm |
re: #159 PT Barnum
I would agree, but the problem isn't the government, it's the governed.
We can't keep kidding ourselves that we can get the services (or tax cuts we want) and keep expecting someone else to pay for it, either by raising taxes on the rich or cutting services to the poor.
It won't be raising taxes on the rich, its raising taxes on everyone. I don't like that idea at all. I might accept a small tax hike, but only in exchange for major anti-waste efforts by government. I want to be certain that the money isn't simply going down the rathole. Absent reform, I will oppose any tax increase.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:23:15pm |
re: #167 TheMatrix31
One could argue that its government which has allowed the governed to expect such things over the decades.
yup, now the bill is due and there is no money, so the feds step in...a very bad scenario come true...Joe Blow in Idaho is paying off some fat cat teacher in Jersey...a fucking nightmare
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:23:22pm |
re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar
You have the class of a dirty toenail.
//
May the curse of plantar warts be upon you soul!
/
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:23:23pm |
More flooding in Iowa:
Iowa flooding: Teen dies as hundreds flee
A 16-year-old girl died when raging floodwaters swept three cars off a road near Des Moines, and hundreds had to evacuate their homes as widespread flooding struck Iowa after three nights of rain.
In Ames, flooding contributed to a water main break that forced the city to shut off water to its roughly 55,000 residents and left Iowa State University's basketball arena under 4 to 5 feet of water.
Rivers and creeks rose after storms dumped 2 to 4 inches of rain on central and eastern Iowa over night Wednesday, with 6 inches in some spots, the National Weather Service said. A snowy winter and wet spring and summer "set the stage" for the flooding, but the recent storms were the big problem, weather service meteorologist Jim Lee said.
"The bulk of this has been caused by those recent extreme rainfalls, especially back-to-back-to-back," he said.
One of those evacuated was an elderly relative of mine.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:23:32pm |
re: #173 tnguitarist
I just ordered a ham and pineapple pizza.
Image: 1062.jpg
That is the best photo of JC, I love seeing it.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:23:36pm |
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:23:47pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the emergency aid Obama has used to help states and municipalities avoid having to make budget cuts. What I'm saying is that some (not all) of those cuts really need to be made and any future such support needs to be smaller to induce those local governments to live within their means.
And why do you think there is this crisis? Do you think it came out of nowhere?
No, it was a structural disaster that destroyed huge swaths of "wealth" on every level. But it starts and ends with derivatives.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:23:49pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
By accident? I admit. This morning I opened up a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli and ate it straight out of the can.
I would never do that!
Because I'm all about the Dinty Moore :D My ultimate comfort food in a can
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:24:03pm |
re: #168 Slumbering Behemoth
Aww, man. So you're saying it's not 'cuz I'm dead sexy, but because I am "immature". Meh, I can live with that.
No, no, no. All that stuff is sexy enough, dude.
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:24:06pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
By accident? I admit. This morning I opened up a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli and ate it straight out of the can.
I used to drink coffee now I just eat it out of the canister.
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:24:46pm |
re: #191 PT Barnum
I used to drink coffee now I just eat it out of the canister.
Yep. I just chew on the beans and wash it down with a glass of warm water.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:25:03pm |
re: #191 PT Barnum
I used to drink coffee now I just eat it out of the canister.
I like my women the way I like my coffee. Ground up and in the freezer.
/
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:25:06pm |
re: #185 freetoken
More flooding in Iowa:
Iowa flooding: Teen dies as hundreds flee
One of those evacuated was an elderly relative of mine.
I drove through Ames on the way home today. Had to detour quite a ways to avoid all the water.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:25:11pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:25:17pm |
re: #180 TheMatrix31
This post reminds me that I need to stop sitting around watching baseball and go to Target to buy toilet paper.
See y'all later.
Gotcha! Buy the extra soft, ok?
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:25:29pm |
re: #194 Cannadian Club Akbar
I like my women the way I like my coffee. Ground up and in the freezer.
/
I like my women the way I like my coffee..in a plastic cup!
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avanti Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:25:51pm |
re: #164 Cato the Elder
Speaking of which, weren't you going to call me someday and take me on a learning trip to a casino?
Yea, if and when my freind Robyn decides not to go with me one week.
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:26:00pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
By accident? I admit. This morning I opened up a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli and ate it straight out of the can.
Are you hiding out in the cellar with your freedom seeds?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:26:37pm |
re: #201 mich-again
Are you hiding out in the cellar with your freedom seeds?
Non hybrid ravioli seeds!!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:26:37pm |
re: #132 theheat
Whoa, Mr. Heat brought home pizza. To me, that's way sexier than this dude.
The way to my man's heart is through a pint glass, so I often surprise him with MAD AWESOME ALE
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:27:08pm |
re: #189 windupbird
I would never do that!
Because I'm all about the Dinty Moore :D My ultimate comfort food in a can
Even better: Hormel Chili, Cream cheese, microwave for 4 minutes, Grab the tortilla chips..go to town.
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:27:10pm |
re: #201 mich-again
Are you hiding out in the cellar with your freedom seeds?
Yeah, I was cutting out some type fonts from magazine pages for future crimes and misdemeanors.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:27:10pm |
re: #194 Cannadian Club Akbar
I like my women the way I like my coffee. Ground up and in the freezer.
/
post of the day right there
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:27:28pm |
re: #188 austin_blue
And why do you think there is this crisis? Do you think it came out of nowhere?
No, it was a structural disaster that destroyed huge swaths of "wealth" on every level. But it starts and ends with derivatives.
I understand that. But I was dealing with a specific symptom, not the root causes. That's all.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:27:38pm |
re: #119 Cato the Elder
Pardon my PIMF: "sires" should read "spawns".
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:27:46pm |
re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar
Non hybrid ravioli seeds!!
Their right next to the donut seeds, otherwise known as a box of stale cheerios.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:27:50pm |
re: #174 austin_blue
It's a *huge* problem! A promise made to State workers (or Feds or the Military) and not kept is immoral. State, Federal, and Military personnel accept lower wages than those in the private sector, (see Blackwater, Consultants, &c) to be civil servants (to work as the advocates for citizens of a state or nation) in large part because they know they will get benefits in their dottage that are as good or better than those received by equivalent workers in the private sector. If those promises are not kept, all hell will break loose. And should.
in other words, we are hosed...
that's my problem with this admin and their bailouts...
unions come first, for their votes...ala GM
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:28:04pm |
re: #204 PT Barnum
Even better: Hormel Chili, Cream cheese, microwave for 4 minutes, Grab the tortilla chips..go to town.
I'm not really into chili but I can see how that would work :D
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:28:39pm |
I just saw an interview on CNN TV's AC360 wherein a bible-waving (literally) Christian extremist Rev. Benham came right out and said that Islam is a lie from Hell and that no American Muslims are good Americans because they have sworn allegiance to Allah. Arguing that Islam is a political ideology which is contrary to basic American values, the same fellow opposed construction of any mosques anywhere in America.
The latter position indicates that to some the mosque controversy is a wedge issue sought to be exploited by the Muslim-haters to enlist many otherwise moderate Americans in a struggle against Islam. It is also a wedge issue for those who hate the GOP.
I am therefore suggesting that the mosque issue should no longer be used by anyone (left, right and centre alike) for partisan political purposes. Doing so will play right into the extremists' hands.
I am also strongly urging people of good will on all sides of the NYC mosque controversy to step back and consider the big picture and what is at risk unless the matter can be voluntarily settled by the parties before it is too late.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:28:42pm |
re: #119 Cato the Elder
Bristol the snotbat makes a marriage of political convenience and sires a son, Truck Quayle III
I'm shocked that the language expert make such a howler. Only a man can sire a son. You meant to say that Bristol whelps a son.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:28:54pm |
re: #194 Cannadian Club Akbar
I like my women the way I like my coffee. Ground up and in the freezer.
/
Are you French Canadian by any chance?
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:29:03pm |
re: #194 Cannadian Club Akbar
I like my women the way I like my coffee. Ground up and in the freezer.
/
I like mine hot and waiting for me in the kitchen.
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:29:04pm |
re: #210 albusteve
in other words, we are hosed...
that's my problem with this admin and their bailouts...
unions come first, for their votes...ala GM
Except that if we had let GM go to hell, what would have been the impact on the economy and would it have made the situation even worse than it was?
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:29:06pm |
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:29:47pm |
re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Are you French Canadian by any chance?
The Tuxedo cat is mine!
//
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:29:50pm |
I am waiting for someone to honor the fact that I can come up with two negotiable rhymes upon the word "matrix" in under five minutes.
But given that poetry is about as respected these days as pedophilia, I won't be waiting long.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:29:56pm |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
It won't be raising taxes on the rich, its raising taxes on everyone. I don't like that idea at all. I might accept a small tax hike, but only in exchange for major anti-waste efforts by government. I want to be certain that the money isn't simply going down the rathole. Absent reform, I will oppose any tax increase.
gotta feed Fedzilla...it's unsatiable at this point
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:30:32pm |
re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Are you French Canadian by any chance?
That guy got beat to death by a girl? Is he dating Mandy?
/
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:30:51pm |
re: #204 PT Barnum
Even better: Hormel Chili, Cream cheese, microwave for 4 minutes, Grab the tortilla chips..go to town.
Oh yeah. Good stuff. It goes. Great to bring to the potluck when you want to spend about 1 minute preparing something.
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:30:58pm |
re: #215 mich-again
I like mine hot and waiting for me in the kitchen.
Why does office coffee turn gray when you put in the creamer?
You'd be gray too if you were old and weak.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:31:02pm |
re: #179 prairiefire
Oh, the poem? I don't really dig poetry, but I thought that one was neat. Also, I value my solitude more than gold. I know we humans are pack animals, and I have a desire to socialize just like everyone else, but I can't stand having people in my face 24/7. I guess I just require more alone time than most folk.
Da poem...
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:31:02pm |
re: #219 Cato the Elder
I am waiting for someone to honor the fact that I can come up with two negotiable rhymes upon the word "matrix" in under five minutes.
But given that poetry is about as respected these days as pedophilia, I won't be waiting long.
Rhyme something with "purple".
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:31:13pm |
re: #195 PT Barnum
I drove through Ames on the way home today. Had to detour quite a ways to avoid all the water.
It's been a very wet year for Iowa. Indeed, in recent years Iowa has had quite a bit of flooding.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:31:16pm |
re: #216 PT Barnum
Except that if we had let GM go to hell, what would have been the impact on the economy and would it have made the situation even worse than it was?
Funny how the trickle down theory applies when giving tax cuts to the rich, but the trickle down theory of closing an entire industry in America doesn't compute.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:31:41pm |
re: #212 Spare O'Lake
I just saw an interview on CNN TV's AC360 wherein a bible-waving (literally) Christian extremist Rev. Benham came right out and said that Islam is a lie from Hell and that no American Muslims are good Americans because they have sworn allegiance to Allah. Arguing that Islam is a political ideology which is contrary to basic American values, the same fellow opposed construction of any mosques anywhere in America.
The latter position indicates that to some the mosque controversy is a wedge issue sought to be exploited by the Muslim-haters to enlist many otherwise moderate Americans in a struggle against Islam. It is also a wedge issue for those who hate the GOP.
I am therefore suggesting that the mosque issue should no longer be used by anyone (left, right and centre alike) for partisan political purposes. Doing so will play right into the extremists' hands.
I am also strongly urging people of good will on all sides of the NYC mosque controversy to step back and consider the big picture and what is at risk unless the matter can be voluntarily settled by the parties before it is too late.
Quote for truth. Very well said.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:31:44pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the emergency aid Obama has used to help states and municipalities avoid having to make budget cuts. What I'm saying is that some (not all) of those cuts really need to be made and any future such support needs to be smaller to induce those local governments to live within their means.
The problem is the means rapidly change in an unpredictable fashion due to lack of stability in the economy, which has come about because of lack of financial and housing/mortgage/lending regulation.
Ruin the market with fraud and moral hazard, then in the shambles of the economy, start starving and attacking government, which then allows more people to ruin the market further. Whee!
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webevintage Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:31:46pm |
re: #177 PT Barnum
I don't see a problem with helping each other out, but I do have a problem with transferring ever increasing amounts of wealth from the have nots to the haves through tax breaks that don't do anything but line the pockets of people who have no incentive to reinvest it in any way that improves the lot of those who the wealth was transferred from.
CLASS WARFARE!!!!111!!!!!!
/
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:31:54pm |
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:32:17pm |
re: #219 Cato the Elder
I am waiting for someone to honor the fact that I can come up with two negotiable rhymes upon the word "matrix" in under five minutes.
But given that poetry is about as respected these days as pedophilia, I won't be waiting long.
matrix •admix, affix, commix, fix, Hicks, intermix, MI6, mix, nix, Nyx, pix, Pnyx, prix fixe, pyx, Ricks, six, Styx, transfix, Wicks•Aquarobics • radix • appendix•crucifix • suffix • Alex • calyx•Felix, helix•kylix • Horlicks • prolix • spondulicks•hydromechanics • phoenix•Ebonics, onyx•mechatronics • sardonyx•Paralympics • semi-tropics•subtropics • Hendrix•dominatrix•administratrix • oryx • tortrix•executrix • Beatrix • cicatrix•Essex
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:32:32pm |
re: #174 austin_blue
It's a *huge* problem! A promise made to State workers (or Feds or the Military) and not kept is immoral. State, Federal, and Military personnel accept lower wages than those in the private sector, (see Blackwater, Consultants, &c) to be civil servants (to work as the advocates for citizens of a state or nation) in large part because they know they will get benefits in their dottage that are as good or better than those received by equivalent workers in the private sector. If those promises are not kept, all hell will break loose. And should.
We have to keep reinforcing the strength of our overall society. Conservatives and Republicans claim they are not for Anarchy. What they don't want is to extend the reach of the government. They also don't seem to be willing to pay for our existing infrastructure and bills**medicare-D, wars, tax cuts for the wealthy**.
The Republicans also want to tell my daughter and niece what they can legally do with their own reproductive systems, strip the 14th amendment, allow creationism to be taught if public schools, hmmm. There's more. I don't want to go on too much. So~~~ there is a choice between the two parties.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:32:33pm |
re: #216 PT Barnum
Except that if we had let GM go to hell, what would have been the impact on the economy and would it have made the situation even worse than it was?
who knows...somebody has to suffer in the short term...
GM is still married to the very entity that drove them down...
the UAW sucks
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:33:25pm |
re: #234 albusteve
who knows...somebody has to suffer in the short term...
as long as it's not you, who cares, right?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:34:05pm |
re: #177 PT Barnum
I'm not sure most people want something for nothing all the time, but they do appreciate it being there when they absolutely need it. I've had to use public services (WIC for my first child because we were poor as churchmice) and I appreciate the hell out it. I don't see a problem with helping each other out, but I do have a problem with transferring ever increasing amounts of wealth from the have nots to the haves through tax breaks that don't do anything but line the pockets of people who have no incentive to reinvest it in any way that improves the lot of those who the wealth was transferred from.
That of course makes you an OBAMA SOCILAISTttt~!~~!!!1dn(@(@(@(@zomg
You know what makes America strong? RICH HOARDERS. YEAH!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:34:10pm |
re: #198 PT Barnum
I like my women the way I like my coffee..in a plastic cup!
I like my women the way I like my pizza... round, greasy, and covered in cheese.
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:34:21pm |
re: #233 prairiefire
We have to keep reinforcing the strength of our overall society. Conservatives and Republicans claim they are not for Anarchy. What they don't want is to extend the reach of the government. They also don't seem to be willing to pay for our existing infrastructure and bills**medicare-D, wars, tax cuts for the wealthy**.
The Republicans also want to tell my daughter and niece what they can legally do with their own reproductive systems, strip the 14th amendment, allow creationism to be taught if public schools, hmmm. There's more. I don't want to go on too much. So~~~ there is a choice between the two parties.
GOP: Control people's bodies and minds, but leave business alone.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:34:30pm |
re: #227 Stanley Sea
Funny how the trickle down theory applies when giving tax cuts to the rich, but the trickle down theory of closing an entire industry in America doesn't compute.
the entire industry is at the mercy of the unions....GM is still in very bad shape and will be for the forseeable future
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:34:48pm |
re: #237 Slumbering Behemoth
I like my women the way I like my pizza... round, greasy, and covered in cheese.
As long as there is no pineapple.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:35:14pm |
re: #225 Mr Pancakes
Rhyme something with "purple".
Hirple
Curlpe
Can't win against Teh Internet
[Link: everything2.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:35:50pm |
re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar
As long as there is no pineapple.
Although, I have "dated" a Hawaiian girl.
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:35:57pm |
re: #237 Slumbering Behemoth
I like my women the way I like my pizza... round, greasy, and covered in cheese.
I like my women like I like my furniture: plush
The greatest joy that I have found
is women who are soft and round
Not slender, lithe, or very lean
their beauty's very rarely seen
.
Because they are not model types
(Like you might see with Wesley Snipes)
Their beauty lies below the skin
The best of them lies deep within
.
Down deep, where only brave souls go
that's the part I've come to know
And when they love, they love so well
More than that I shall not tell
.
For if I did, then all would see
without as many left for me
I admit that tis not fair
but I'm just not inclined to share
.
I want them all, or one or two
Okay, just one would really do
And so, without a lot of mush
I say I like my women plush.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:36:11pm |
re: #237 Slumbering Behemoth
I like my women the way I like my pizza... round, greasy, and covered in cheese.
"I like my women the way I like my matzah--unleavened." --The Hebrew Hammer
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:36:11pm |
re: #239 albusteve
the entire industry is at the mercy of the unions...GM is still in very bad shape and will be for the forseeable future
Damn those unions for giving the working man a way to collectively voice his opinions!
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:36:20pm |
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:36:28pm |
re: #237 Slumbering Behemoth
I like my women the way I like my pizza... round, greasy, and covered in cheese.
PIZZAPHILE!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:36:42pm |
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:36:43pm |
re: #241 Nimed
Hirple
CurlpeCan't win against Teh Internet
[Link: everything2.com...]
No one uses dem words...... doesn't count!
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:36:46pm |
re: #244 Alouette
"I like my women the way I like my matzah--unleavened." --The Hebrew Hammer
I like my women like I like my eggs: unfertilized.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:36:47pm |
re: #216 PT Barnum
Except that if we had let GM go to hell, what would have been the impact on the economy and would it have made the situation even worse than it was?
economy aside, how about the impact on national security!
We need a manufacturing sector, we need that expertise. If we start allowing big great giant hunks of our manufacturing sector to just dry up and blow away, that's actually a national security issue. I don't want an America with a manufacturing sector weaker than it already is, and letting GM collapse would essentially be like a father letting his kid die in the road after being struck by a milk truck because "well, you should learn your lesson and not run into the street."
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:37:09pm |
re: #189 windupbird
I would never do that!
Because I'm all about the Dinty Moore :D My ultimate comfort food in a can
I don't have very high standards but I don't eat Dinty Moore.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:37:17pm |
re: #237 Slumbering Behemoth
I like my women the way I like my pizza... round, greasy, and covered in cheese.
I like my comedians like I like my coffee: bitter and acidic :D
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:37:18pm |
Seethe seed:
Statement by the President on the Occasion of Ramadan
How many petabytes of seethe will this trigger?
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:37:20pm |
re: #237 Slumbering Behemoth
I like my women the way I like my pizza... round, greasy, and covered in cheese.
Though pineapple actually goes well with women.
/
| 256 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:37:25pm |
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palomino Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:38:12pm |
Worst. Quayle. Ever. Poor kid didn't even get his dad's vacuous good looks; too bad for him he seems to resemble his shrewish mom Marilyn.
And his first complaint about Obama is that Mexicans have drug cartels? Ludicrous--They've been around for decades. Who wrote the script for this ad, Tom Tancredo?
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:38:19pm |
re: #235 PT Barnum
as long as it's not you, who cares, right?
wrong...why do you stab me like that?
what's left of industry and state and local workers absolutely must shed the weight of unions...it's not the unions per say, it's the deals cut with them by legislatures...they are in it together for the money and the votes...it's simply unsustainable...CA is broke because of it...and so are several other states
| 259 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:38:20pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:38:22pm |
re: #254 freetoken
Seethe seed:
Statement by the President on the Occasion of Ramadan
How many petabytes of seethe will this trigger?
Yes. In a way, this is the statement on the Mosque and Muslims.
Yes.
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:38:31pm |
re: #255 Nimed
Though pineapple actually goes well with women.
/
Hey anything goes well with women as long as you have enough whipped cream...>:)
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:38:43pm |
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:38:51pm |
re: #254 freetoken
Seethe seed:
Statement by the President on the Occasion of Ramadan
How many petabytes of seethe will this trigger?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:39:11pm |
re: #261 PT Barnum
Hey anything goes well with women as long as you have enough whipped cream...>:)
And ether.
/
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:39:50pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:40:21pm |
re: #225 Mr Pancakes
Rhyme something with "purple".
Easy.
A man eats to many pancakes,
tt makes for big groans, and his gut shakes.
But before he goes green, or turns purple,
some guy does the Heimlich. He'll burple.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:40:31pm |
re: #236 WindUpBird
That of course makes you an OBAMA SOCILAISTttt~!~~!!!1dn(@(@(@(@zomg
You know what makes America strong? RICH HOARDERS. YEAH!
show me an anti capitalist model that puts people to work and pays the tax bills...there are none...govt and the economy are now one in the same...just what liberals want
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:41:19pm |
re: #210 albusteve
in other words, we are hosed...
that's my problem with this admin and their bailouts...
unions come first, for their votes...ala GM
We'll probably get most of those bucks back from GM with their IPO. And keep in mind that Union contracts are negotiated to protect workers, which don't apply to non-union workers, They are chattle slaves. It takes two to tango, and contracts between management and unions are binding. No one forced management to agree to the contracts.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:41:27pm |
re: #245 jamesfirecat
Damn those unions for giving the working man a way to collectively voice his opinions!
that's a long lost stretch
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:41:50pm |
re: #268 albusteve
show me an anti capitalist model that puts people to work and pays the tax bills...there are none...govt and the economy are now one in the same...just what liberals want
Ayn Rand wanted it also.... just with business controlling the government instead of government regulating business.
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:41:59pm |
re: #268 albusteve
show me an anti capitalist model that puts people to work and pays the tax bills...there are none...govt and the economy are now one in the same...just what liberals want
Not wanting to let capitalists do whatever the hell they please isn't the answer either, nor is concentrating ever more resources to the top.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:42:03pm |
re: #243 PT Barnum
I'm rather lucky. When it comes to women, I don't really have a "type". Short or tall, big or small, thick or thin, any color combination under the sun, I dig 'em.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:42:37pm |
re: #267 Cato the Elder
Easy.
A man eats to many pancakes,
tt makes for big groans, and his gut shakes.
But before he goes green, or turns purple,
some guy does the Heimlich. He'll burple.
Touche!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:42:40pm |
re: #270 albusteve
that's a long lost stretch
Its okay I've been practicing for the "Annoying Olympics", do you want to see what kind of distance I can get when I leap to conclusions?
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:42:40pm |
re: #251 WindUpBird
economy aside, how about the impact on national security!
We need a manufacturing sector, we need that expertise. If we start allowing big great giant hunks of our manufacturing sector to just dry up and blow away, that's actually a national security issue. I don't want an America with a manufacturing sector weaker than it already is, and letting GM collapse would essentially be like a father letting his kid die in the road after being struck by a milk truck because "well, you should learn your lesson and not run into the street."
then dump the unions...it's the only way
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:42:52pm |
re: #270 albusteve
that's a long lost stretch
But how long do you think it would take to go back to that if we put all the power in the hands of the corporations?
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:43:25pm |
re: #273 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm rather lucky. When it comes to women, I don't really have a "type". Short or tall, big or small, thick or thin, any color combination under the sun, I dig 'em.
Me too, but I've always preferred the well padded over the bony.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:43:37pm |
re: #258 albusteve
wrong...why do you stab me like that?
what's left of industry and state and local workers absolutely must shed the weight of unions...it's not the unions per say, it's the deals cut with them by legislatures...they are in it together for the money and the votes...it's simply unsustainable...CA is broke because of it...and so are several other states
It has nothing to do with unions.
California is broke because California's political system is now deadlocked by its very nature due to Proposition 13 passing in the 70's rolling back property taxes and requiring a 2/3rds majority to pass tax legislature : [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Proposition 13 (officially titled the People's Initiative to Limit Property Taxation) was an amendment of the Constitution of California enacted in 1978, by means of the initiative process. It was approved by California voters on June 6, 1978. It was upheld as constitutional by the United States Supreme Court in the case of Nordlinger v. Hahn, 505 U.S. 1 (1992). Proposition 13 is embodied in Article 13A of the Constitution of the State of California.[1]
The most significant portion of the act is the first paragraph, which capped the tax rate for real estate:
Section 1. (a) The maximum amount of any ad valorem tax on real property shall not exceed one percent (1%) of the full cash value of such property. The one percent (1%) tax to be collected by the counties and apportioned according to law to the districts within the counties.
The proposition lowered property taxes by rolling back property values to their 1975 value and restricted annual increases in assessed value of real property to an inflation factor, not to exceed 2% per year. It also prohibited reassessment of a new base year value except upon (a) change in ownership or (b) completion of new construction.
In addition to lowering property taxes, the initiative also contained language requiring a two-thirds majority in both legislative houses for future increases in all state tax rates or amounts of revenue collected, including income tax rates. It also requires a two-thirds vote majority in local elections for local governments wishing to raise special taxes. Proposition 13 received an enormous amount of publicity, not only in California, but throughout the United States.[2]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:44:18pm |
re: #278 PT Barnum
Me too, but I've always preferred the well padded over the bony.
True, but bony with great racks kinda works.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:44:22pm |
re: #257 palomino
Worst. Quayle. Ever. Poor kid didn't even get his dad's vacuous good looks; too bad for him he seems to resemble his shrewish mom Marilyn.
And his first complaint about Obama is that Mexicans have drug cartels? Ludicrous--They've been around for decades. Who wrote the script for this ad, Tom Tancredo?
I said he would inherit the drug cartels in Mexico. My guess is that he is relying on that Psalms talk about the meek inheriting the Earth (which would include all of Mexico among other valuable real estate).
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:44:39pm |
re: #265 freetoken
re: #263 Gus 802
I wonder if Charles put out a "Happy Ramadan" message how many hate mails he would receive...
Holy shit, would hit the fan I betcha!
I am glad for our two, yeah two, Muslim contributors.
I'm looking for peace, kumbaya you may say, but if enough people talk about it continuously I have hope.
From President Obama's message:
Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality. And here in the United States, Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been part of America and that American Muslims have made extraordinary contributions to our country. And today, I want to extend my best wishes to the 1.5 billion Muslims around the world – and your families and friends – as you welcome the beginning of Ramadan.
I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month.
May God’s peace be upon you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:44:47pm |
re: #268 albusteve
show me an anti capitalist model that puts people to work and pays the tax bills...there are none...govt and the economy are now one in the same...just what liberals want
I'm a capitalist, but I'm a capitalist who believes in a progressive tax structure and incentives imposed on rich people to invest rather than hoard.
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palomino Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:45:04pm |
re: #261 PT Barnum
Hey anything goes well with women as long as you have enough whipped cream...>:)
Man, that takes me back to college days. Wish I was 20 again.
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:45:14pm |
re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar
True, but bony with great racks kinda works.
Thanks for the mammaries!
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:45:44pm |
re: #269 austin_blue
We'll probably get most of those bucks back from GM with their IPO. And keep in mind that Union contracts are negotiated to protect workers, which don't apply to non-union workers, They are chattle slaves. It takes two to tango, and contracts between management and unions are binding. No one forced management to agree to the contracts.
yes, my point exactly...management should go down just like workers and shareholders
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:45:55pm |
re: #239 albusteve
the entire industry is at the mercy of the unions...GM is still in very bad shape and will be for the forseeable future
Being in and around that industry for the last 26 years, you might be surprised to know how things really are in factories these days. The image of the unions from the 70's and 80's is wrong for today's plants. Long gone are the druggies and alcoholics and people who skip work or skip operations like the legends of old. I could tell horror stories from back in the day. But its serious business these days. The union sells the loser fuck-ups down the river, they want them gone as much as management does.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:46:33pm |
re: #261 PT Barnum
Hey anything goes well with women as long as you have enough whipped cream...>:)
Which is yet another important difference from pizza.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:46:36pm |
re: #278 PT Barnum
Me too, but I've always preferred the well padded over the bony.
Thick girls need love too, but so do the thin ones. I like that I find a wide spectrum attractive. Lots of options.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:47:05pm |
re: #275 jamesfirecat
Its okay I've been practicing for the "Annoying Olympics", do you want to see what kind of distance I can get when I leap to conclusions?
Olympian!
heh...you will have a ton of competition
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:47:07pm |
re: #284 palomino
Man, that takes me back to college days. Wish I was 20 again.
Yeah..the girls are a hell of a lot hotter than they were when I was 20 back in 1982.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:47:13pm |
re: #276 albusteve
then dump the unions...it's the only way
Definitely. Pay minimum wage and make sure to work 'em between 30-37.5 hours a week to make sure the company doesn't have to waste money on health benefits.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:47:54pm |
re: #287 mich-again
Being in and around that industry for the last 26 years, you might be surprised to know how things really are in factories these days. The image of the unions from the 70's and 80's is wrong for today's plants. Long gone are the druggies and alcoholics and people who skip work or skip operations like the legends of old. I could tell horror stories from back in the day. But its serious business these days. The union sells the loser fuck-ups down the river, they want them gone as much as management does.
I think many of the corporations have a good equilibrium. I do not want to see unions become complacent.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:47:55pm |
re: #279 WindUpBird
It has nothing to do with unions.
California is broke because California's political system is now deadlocked by its very nature due to Proposition 13 passing in the 70's rolling back property taxes and requiring a 2/3rds majority to pass tax legislature : [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
sure...nothing to do with unions
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:48:38pm |
re: #292 eclectic infidel
Definitely. Pay minimum wage and make sure to work 'em between 30-37.5 hours a week to make sure the company doesn't have to waste money on health benefits.
No Dental Care for you!!
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:48:54pm |
re: #232 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I don't use internet helps.
My rhymes and rheums are my own, God help me.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:49:17pm |
re: #229 WindUpBird
The problem is the means rapidly change in an unpredictable fashion due to lack of stability in the economy, which has come about because of lack of financial and housing/mortgage/lending regulation.
Ruin the market with fraud and moral hazard, then in the shambles of the economy, start starving and attacking government, which then allows more people to ruin the market further. Whee!
It's not only or even mostly lack of regulation. It's also lack will to reign in Fannie and Freddy, paired with a local willingness to let the unions run wild. Here's a good article on how California has gotten into the mess its in:
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:49:22pm |
re: #289 Slumbering Behemoth
Thick girls need love too, but so do the thin ones. I like that I find a wide spectrum attractive. Lots of options.
True, but I've found the curvy ones are generally a little less neurotic.
Thank God I'm out of the dating pool. Of course many women say about me as well.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:49:40pm |
re: #213 Alouette
I'm shocked that the language expert make such a howler. Only a man can sire a son. You meant to say that Bristol whelps a son.
Corrected later.
I am a bad editor of myself.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:49:53pm |
re: #292 eclectic infidel
Definitely. Pay minimum wage and make sure to work 'em between 30-37.5 hours a week to make sure the company doesn't have to waste money on health benefits.
a bit extreme?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:49:59pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
Hey, DF.
Would you shoot me an e-mail, please?
E-mail is in my profile info, just click my avatar.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:50:21pm |
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theheat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:51:26pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:51:46pm |
re: #301 albusteve
a bit extreme?
Ask anyone working now as a "consultant"
Yes, we have work, but the employer doesn't have to pay benefits. Perfect situation.
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cliffster Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:51:56pm |
re: #225 Mr Pancakes
Rhyme something with "purple".
roses are red
violets are purple
sugar's sweet
and so's maple surple
Roger Miller - Dang Me
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:52:04pm |
re: #295 prairiefire
No Dental Care for you!!
American workers don't need healthy teeth and gums anyway. Besides, that's money wasted that could be going towards the bottom line.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:52:16pm |
if you want to pay an average of $50 an hour to the UAW, with bennies, you will go broke...that's what's happened to GM, and we are all paying for it, until they pay their debt...bwahahaha!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:52:23pm |
re: #301 albusteve
a bit extreme?
You say extreme, I say effective and cost cutting!
Also I know of a factory in New York that is wasting way too much money on fire safety training and equipment!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:52:48pm |
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:53:53pm |
re: #310 jamesfirecat
You say extreme, I say effective and cost cutting!
Also I know of a factory in New York that is wasting way too much money on fire safety training and equipment!
more federal regulation?
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:54:03pm |
re: #188 austin_blue
And why do you think there is this crisis? Do you think it came out of nowhere?
No, it was a structural disaster that destroyed huge swaths of "wealth" on every level. But it starts and ends with derivatives.
On a global, capitalistic scale. Global. Our stock market is currently like silly putty, we are very vulnerable to global fluxes. The dollar is getting stronger, however. That could lead to deflation, IIRC.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:54:25pm |
re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar
A nice white pizza with sun dried tomatoes and spinach and banana peppers rule!!!
Sounds great especially when it's sprinkled with some granola and wheat germ.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:54:30pm |
re: #310 jamesfirecat
You say extreme, I say effective and cost cutting!
Also I know of a factory in New York that is wasting way too much money on fire safety training and equipment!
Which factory is that, New Triangle Shirtwaist?
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theheat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:54:30pm |
re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar
And it was a thin crispy crust, done to perfection.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:54:33pm |
re: #308 eclectic infidel
American workers don't need healthy teeth and gums anyway. Besides,
that's money wasted that could be going towards the bottom linethere're plenty of illegal aliens who don't care about teeth and will take whatever we pay them.
Tacit GOP platform.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:55:11pm |
re: #302 reine.de.tout
Hey, DF.
Would you shoot me an e-mail, please?
E-mail is in my profile info, just click my avatar.
Email sent.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:55:12pm |
the American people want too much money to build washing machines...so we don't build washing machines anymore...pretty simple
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:55:29pm |
re: #298 PT Barnum
Heh, my last curvy girlfriend went way past neurotic and well into sociopathic. A truly hate filled bitch she was. Had more "issues" than National Geographic, I tells ya.
But I don't hold that nasty relationship against women in general, nor curvy women specifically. Just a bad apple, not a true representative.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:55:44pm |
re: #310 jamesfirecat
You say extreme, I say effective and cost cutting!
Also I know of a factory in New York that is wasting way too much money on fire safety training and equipment!
Totally. And it's not like a fire would really damage the company in the long run. Insurance would rebuild the structure and replace the equipment. In an economy like this, there's an ample supply of workers ready and willing to ignore the minor hazards for a min wage paycheck. It's all good. The invisible hand of Adam Smith will ensure harmony.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:56:49pm |
re: #304 Gus 802
Hey. Check out the banner on this page:
Heck, ya! Why can't George W. pull in the right wing, unreasonable people?
He had 8 years. What is his legacy?
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:57:09pm |
President George W. Bush marks Eid al-Fitr, the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, with an address at the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., Thursday, Dec. 5. White House photo by Eric Draper.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:58:06pm |
re: #315 Alouette
Which factory is that, New Triangle Shirtwaist?
Public Television had a good documentary on that subject. Speaking of unions.
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:58:10pm |
re: #322 prairiefire
Heck, ya! Why can't George W. pull in the right wing, unreasonable people?
He had 8 years. What is his legacy?
Got me. He's going to be quiet until after the election is my guess.
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Velvet Elvis Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:58:27pm |
re: #319 albusteve
the American people want too much money to build washing machines...so we don't build washing machines anymore...pretty simple
More like it's cheaper to make them in China where they don't have the workplace safety and environmental regulations and stuff like that.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:58:58pm |
re: #304 Gus 802
Hey. Check out the banner on this page:
OK Gus, you're the man. Find out who was at GWB's Ramadan dinner.
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:59:39pm |
re: #327 Stanley Sea
OK Gus, you're the man. Find out who was at GWB's Ramadan dinner.
I was thinking about that.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:59:51pm |
re: #325 Gus 802
He should have been noisy in 2005 when things where going to hell under his watch.
I don't think he has many strong leadership qualities.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:00:25pm |
re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar
A nice white pizza with sun dried tomatoes and spinach and banana peppers rule!!!
???
You know the kind of contempt our Brookly Red has for pineapple on pizza? Multiply that by a thousand and you may begin to come close to the contempt I have for white sauce on pizza.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:00:33pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
Email sent.
didn't come through. Did you spell it right? LOL. Some folks have gotten it messed up.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:00:35pm |
re: #322 prairiefire
Heck, ya! Why can't George W. pull in the right wing, unreasonable people?
He had 8 years. What is his legacy?
He's not well liked by them. Many of them see him as a RINO when it comes to domestic issues because of the way he let government spending soar.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:00:43pm |
re: #326 Conservative Moonbat
More like it's cheaper to make them in China where they don't have the workplace safety and environmental regulations and stuff like that.
yup...add 12-20 million illegal immigrants into the equation and we are fucked...hosed, bent over the backboard...get in line for your handout
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:02:08pm |
re: #331 Slumbering Behemoth
???
You know the kind of contempt our Brookly Red has for pineapple on pizza? Multiply that by a thousand and you may begin to come close to the contempt I have for white sauce on pizza.
It's not white sauce. It's olive oil, ricotta and toppings. And pineapple on pizza is pure evil.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:02:26pm |
re: #329 prairiefire
He should have been noisy in 2005 when things where going to hell under his watch.
I don't think he has many strong leadership qualities.
no president can get us out of this mess...we have lived too high on the hog for too long, and there are way too many of us
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:03:04pm |
re: #330 theheat
Pics or it didn't happen.
/
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:03:22pm |
re: #333 Dark_Falcon
He's not well liked by them. Many of them see him as a RINO when it comes to domestic issues because of the way he let government spending soar.
and his amnesty gig with McCain...fools
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:03:45pm |
re: #326 Conservative Moonbat
More like it's cheaper to make them in China where they don't have the workplace safety and environmental regulations and stuff like that.
Really. Let's be honest. What incentives do American manufacturers have to operate in the U.S? Outside the U.S., a company need not concern it self with squabbling union members, pensions, benefits, sick leave, collective bargaining, health and safety codes. Plus the money saved on wages. I mean, fuck morality, morality isn't profitable. So our manufacturing base dissolves into oblivion and only defense contractors hold sway. Is that not capitalism at its finest? Quality products manufactured for the least cost?
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:04:11pm |
re: #336 albusteve
no president can get us out of this mess...we have lived too high on the hog for too long, and there are way too many of us
I absolutely believe if we can get our capitalistic engine grinding again, we can climb out of this mess.
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theheat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:04:23pm |
re: #337 Slumbering Behemoth
Ben Quayle got to them first. Last I know, he was critiquing them.
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palomino Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:04:42pm |
re: #281 Nimed
I said he would inherit the drug cartels in Mexico. My guess is that he is relying on that Psalms talk about the meek inheriting the Earth (which would include all of Mexico among other valuable real estate).
One of the "funny" things about all this is that Hispanics will be the majority, or at least plurality, in AZ in 20-30 years. But GOP seems intent on burning bridges with minorities for the shortest term political gains. SB1070, like many of the anti-gay laws across US, won't even exist that much longer. It's all a function of demographics and generational change.
But shortsightedness shouldn't be a surprise. Just look at how nearly all pols have ignored looming crises of all sorts, like AGW, debt crisis, etc.
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cliffster Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:04:48pm |
re: #329 prairiefire
He should have been noisy in 2005 when things where going to hell under his watch.
I don't think he has many strong leadership qualities.
Just out of curiosity, can you define, "going to hell"? And, more importantly, what would you suggest he should have done?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:05:26pm |
re: #335 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ah, I apologize for the misunderstanding. You are completely absolved of any pie related sins. Go now in pizza, my son.
/
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:06:01pm |
re: #332 reine.de.tout
didn't come through. Did you spell it right? LOL. Some folks have gotten it messed up.
I checked the email and sent it again.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:06:06pm |
re: #343 palomino
One of the "funny" things about all this is that Hispanics will be the majority, or at least plurality, in AZ in 20-30 years. But GOP seems intent on burning bridges with minorities for the shortest term political gains. SB1070, like many of the anti-gay laws across US, won't even exist that much longer. It's all a function of demographics and generational change.
But shortsightedness shouldn't be a surprise. Just look at how nearly all pols have ignored looming crises of all sorts, like AGW, debt crisis, etc.
I guess no one told them that a lot of these illegals have family who are actual citizens.
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CarleeCork Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:06:15pm |
re: #339 eclectic infidel
Really. Let's be honest. What incentives do American manufacturers have to operate in the U.S? Outside the U.S., a company need not concern it self with squabbling union members, pensions, benefits, sick leave, collective bargaining, health and safety codes. Plus the money saved on wages. I mean, fuck morality, morality isn't profitable. So our manufacturing base dissolves into oblivion and only defense contractors hold sway. Is that not capitalism at its finest? Quality products manufactured for the least cost?
How about we don't let them sell their shit in our Country? You want cheap labor, sell your shit to people that work for cheap.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:06:20pm |
re: #340 prairiefire
I absolutely believe if we can get our capitalistic engine grinding again, we can climb out of this mess.
how?...I'm all ears...the feds don't deem to want to get it going
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Velvet Elvis Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:06:55pm |
re: #339 eclectic infidel
Really. Let's be honest. What incentives do American manufacturers have to operate in the U.S? Outside the U.S., a company need not concern it self with squabbling union members, pensions, benefits, sick leave, collective bargaining, health and safety codes. Plus the money saved on wages. I mean, fuck morality, morality isn't profitable. So our manufacturing base dissolves into oblivion and only defense contractors hold sway. Is that not capitalism at its finest? Quality products manufactured for the least cost?
We could at least not give them tax incentives to move jobs out of the US.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:07:15pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:07:50pm |
re: #319 albusteve
the American people want too much money to build washing machines...so we don't build washing machines anymore...pretty simple
It occurs to me that "national security" and "cheap and good for business" are not really the same thing
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:08:20pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:08:44pm |
re: #346 Dark_Falcon
I checked the email and sent it again.
OK. well, for some reason, then, it's taking awhile to come through.
I'll be in touch when it comes thru.
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theheat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:08:54pm |
re: #348 CarleeCork
Expect mass suicides by Wal-Mart employees. And pretty much, anyone else selling any flavor of widgets.
I know it makes me an anti-American shitty person, but I like being able to buy $12 toasters and $30 microwaves.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:09:10pm |
re: #344 cliffster
Just out of curiosity, can you define, "going to hell"? And, more importantly, what would you suggest he should have done?
"Going to hell" in Iraq. Rumsfeld resigning Nov. 6th, after Bush said he would support him on Nov. 1st, 2006. After the "thumpin' ".
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:09:13pm |
re: #347 JasonA
I guess no one told them that a lot of these illegals have family who are actual citizens.
For how long? Oh I guess repeal of the 14th won't be retroactive...
Gah, can't believe it's coming to this.
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palomino Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:09:28pm |
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Velvet Elvis Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:10:10pm |
re: #357 theheat
Expect mass suicides by Wal-Mart employees. And pretty much, anyone else selling any flavor of widgets.
I know it makes me an anti-American shitty person, but I like being able to buy $12 toasters and $30 microwaves.
That will break in less than 5 years
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:10:10pm |
Ok guys. Time to make a Red Barron Deep Dish pizza I forgot I had. Nighty. See ya'll in the AM. Reine, stay dry!!
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:10:15pm |
re: #357 theheat
Expect mass suicides by Wal-Mart employees. And pretty much, anyone else selling any flavor of widgets.
I know it makes me an anti-American shitty person, but I like being able to buy $12 toasters and $30 microwaves.
So do I.
I don't have answers right now. I just had that stuff bottled up.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:10:17pm |
re: #339 eclectic infidel
Really. Let's be honest. What incentives do American manufacturers have to operate in the U.S? Outside the U.S., a company need not concern it self with squabbling union members, pensions, benefits, sick leave, collective bargaining, health and safety codes. Plus the money saved on wages. I mean, fuck morality, morality isn't profitable. So our manufacturing base dissolves into oblivion and only defense contractors hold sway. Is that not capitalism at its finest? Quality products manufactured for the least cost?
Morality is not only not profitable, it's expensive!
Are we a country that looks out for its people? or are we just a plot of land that simply serves to be a vessel for multinationals to make money? Past all the politics, there's real basic questions about what a country should be, what this entity of 300+ million people should and should not provide for itself, what it expects in terms of freedom but also quality of life, how best to deliver that quality of life.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:11:12pm |
re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ok guys. Time to make a Red Barron Deep Dish pizza I forgot I had. Nighty. See ya'll in the AM. Reine, stay dry!!
Storm appears to have gone pffffffffft.
Enjoy your pizza.
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mich-again Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:11:12pm |
re: #309 albusteve
if you want to pay an average of $50 an hour to the UAW, with bennies, you will go broke...that's what's happened to GM, and we are all paying for it, until they pay their debt...bwahahaha!
A typical car takes about 25 hours of labor to build in a factory.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:11:20pm |
re: #361 palomino
yes, Uma Thurman anyone?
Actually, you should see this girl I work with. 22 and dumb as a rock. Yummy!!
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Velvet Elvis Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:12:56pm |
I'm going to give sleep a chance and see if it works
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:12:59pm |
re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, you should see this girl I work with. 22 and dumb as a rock. Yummy!!
Something my late, great friend Jon once said,
"Ah, 20 something women, they may be cute, but they've got chocolate pudding for brains."
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:13:54pm |
re: #357 theheat
Expect mass suicides by Wal-Mart employees. And pretty much, anyone else selling any flavor of widgets.
I know it makes me an anti-American shitty person, but I like being able to buy $12 toasters and $30 microwaves.
I do too.
HOWEVER, the problem with that is that we are a society that simply disposes of anything that quits working and we buy new. We produce a heckuva a lot of trash, and that really bothers me for some reason.
We had a mower that needed to be repaired, and we could find only ONE mower repair shop in our area. ONE! You'd think this would be a great business. People just toss their old mowers, I guess, and get a new one.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:14:18pm |
re: #365 WindUpBird
You know, I am still thinking about your comment about how we are hurting ourselves in national defense.
Not really sure militarily if we have gotten away from this, but referring back to WWII, we needed our manufacturing facilities. Are we at a disadvantage now because we let the majority of manufacturing go to the East?
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CarleeCork Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:14:27pm |
re: #357 theheat
Expect mass suicides by Wal-Mart employees. And pretty much, anyone else selling any flavor of widgets.
I know it makes me an anti-American shitty person, but I like being able to buy $12 toasters and $30 microwaves.
That's short term dear. Pretty soon none of us will be able to afford cheap shit. My hubby is an engineer, he's taken two pay cuts over the past three years totaling six percent. The entire company did. We no longer contribute to the 401K. How many other companies did the same? BTW, I've never bought a $30 microwave.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:14:29pm |
re: #356 reine.de.tout
OK. well, for some reason, then, it's taking awhile to come through.
I'll be in touch when it comes thru.
You can also send one to me now. Nic is blue for the next couple posts.
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theheat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:14:30pm |
re: #362 Conservative Moonbat
Point taken. But, I do have a couple true stories. Two companies I work with that build really good products - industry leaders - both subbed out their manufacturing to China a few years ago. Cheap labor, cheaper material costs, less complaining, no unions, and the quality of the product was not reduced whatsoever. Not even a tiny bit. They said the people they worked with were outstandingly professional, bent over backwards to accommodate them, and they had a very good relationship.
I dealt with their overseas marketing people and their media was outstanding. Everything perfect. Extremely detail oriented. Also, quite personable.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:14:54pm |
re: #362 Conservative Moonbat
That will break in less than 5 years
It will happen, but probably not in our lifetime unfortunately. China will follow Japan in their desire to have a higher standard of living...... here comes North Vietnam.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:14:56pm |
re: #83 mich-again
Dan Quayle was kind of like an earlier version of the "Sarah Palin" strategy. GHWB picked him for the Veep spot to bolster the ticket because he was young, attractive (?), had conservative credentials, and not much of a record to sift through.
He had a record of accomplishment and service that makes Palin's look sick, though. We didn't know when we were well off.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:15:18pm |
re: #371 reine.de.tout
I do too.
HOWEVER, the problem with that is that we are a society that simply disposes of anything that quits working and we buy new. We produce a heckuva a lot of trash, and that really bothers me for some reason.We had a mower that needed to be repaired, and we could find only ONE mower repair shop in our area. ONE! You'd think this would be a great business. People just toss their old mowers, I guess, and get a new one.
Or they hire illegals... :)
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:15:48pm |
re: #327 Stanley Sea
OK Gus, you're the man. Find out who was at GWB's Ramadan dinner.
Can't find anything. Other than some menus all it says is Muslim leaders and ambassadors from Muslim countries.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:15:54pm |
re: #377 SanFranciscoZionist
Welcome, SFZ. By the time you read this, I may be gone. :)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:15:58pm |
re: #357 theheat
Expect mass suicides by Wal-Mart employees. And pretty much, anyone else selling any flavor of widgets.
I know it makes me an anti-American shitty person, but I like being able to buy $12 toasters and $30 microwaves.
I like a cheap good too, but if I could wave my magic wand and make consumer goods much more expensive and the stability of America's economy much more so, I would do that in an instant.
What we have at the moment is an consumer opiate for people being fucked over, we have cheap big screen televisions ready to go for people whose jobs are not providing them any health services. We have glitzy cheap products to distract us from oh, perhaps the knife's edge of having an unhealthy child and being trapped without health insurance, or beign an independent contractor who has to choose between rent and their anxiety medication (these are my friends, here, real people) I'd trade my fancy LCD TV and my fast car and my big Wacom in tomorrow for a system in America that actually cares about the health of its people, that provides mental health and takes it seriously.
Nice stuff is nice! I have some nice stuff, I enjoy it. But my life won't change much for the worse if I still drove an old 90's car and my TV was my old tube TV.
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palomino Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:16:17pm |
re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, you should see this girl I work with. 22 and dumb as a rock. Yummy!!
That describes uma 20 years ago. Good luck with that fine stuff at work.:)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:16:36pm |
re: #371 reine.de.tout
I do too.
HOWEVER, the problem with that is that we are a society that simply disposes of anything that quits working and we buy new. We produce a heckuva a lot of trash, and that really bothers me for some reason.We had a mower that needed to be repaired, and we could find only ONE mower repair shop in our area. ONE! You'd think this would be a great business. People just toss their old mowers, I guess, and get a new one.
Well, consider this
We are being sold things that cannot be repaired.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:17:59pm |
re: #374 Dark_Falcon
You can also send one to me now. Nic is blue for the next couple posts.
OK done!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:19:41pm |
re: #383 WindUpBird
Well, consider this
We are being sold things that cannot be repaired.
Many can be.
But the repair costs are quite often higher than the new product.
OR, as you say, they can't be repaired.
There are some businesses opening up here (and I'm sure all over) that repair cell phones, with repair cost LOWER than the cost of a new phone. Now you know - if you had a phone that broke and took it to your service provider, no way would they repair it, they would sell you a new phone.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:20:12pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:20:22pm |
This is your brain on "libertarianism"....
Judge Napolitano's History of Liberty, Part 4
/Ron Paul!
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theheat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:20:23pm |
re: #385 palomino
Me too. I have Wednesday night ScyFy to catch up on while my pizza turns to fat. 'Night.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:20:43pm |
re: #372 Stanley Sea
You know, I am still thinking about your comment about how we are hurting ourselves in national defense.
Not really sure militarily if we have gotten away from this, but referring back to WWII, we needed our manufacturing facilities. Are we at a disadvantage now because we let the majority of manufacturing go to the East?
This point is why it was so crucial to save the car industries. It is closely related to our defense.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:20:58pm |
re: #343 palomino
I partly agree with your assessment. Democrats will surely capitalize on the strong resentment minorities will have against the GOP for a while. But I also believe that people tend not to have long memories in politics. Enough electoral pain and the GOP will eventually adapt to the new times.
Just you sit and watch this process take place within the next 5 five years with gay marriage. Half a decade from now we will hear Republican leaders say that all the objections they had against gay marriage resulted from differences of opinion regarding how to overcome legal hurdles and implement it.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:20:59pm |
re: #390 theheat
Me too. I have Wednesday night ScyFy to catch up on while my pizza turns to fat. 'Night.
Sharktopus?
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:21:22pm |
re: #376 Mr Pancakes
It will happen, but probably not in our lifetime unfortunately. China will follow Japan in their desire to have a higher standard of living... here comes North Vietnam.
I wonder, sometimes, given the sci fi scenario of the movie Serenity, if the US one day will be somewhat absorbed by a larger, more prosperous nation.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:21:30pm |
Ohh...I'm scared of Ben Quayle, he just seems so tough...unless he was my cellmate, then I'd tell his wimpy self to get busy and give me a B-J.
/// J/k, or am I? ;)
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:22:05pm |
re: #391 prairiefire
This point is why it was so crucial to save the car industries. It is closely related to our defense.
War has become a lot more about quality than quantity.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:22:54pm |
re: #379 Gus 802
Can't find anything. Other than some menus all it says is Muslim leaders and ambassadors from Muslim countries.
I would pretty much bank that the Cordoba Project guy was there. $$ on it.\
Thanks for looking!
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:23:01pm |
re: #396 JasonA
War has become a lot more about quality than quantity.
Quantity has a quality all its own.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:23:25pm |
re: #371 reine.de.tout
I do too.
HOWEVER, the problem with that is that we are a society that simply disposes of anything that quits working and we buy new. We produce a heckuva a lot of trash, and that really bothers me for some reason.We had a mower that needed to be repaired, and we could find only ONE mower repair shop in our area. ONE! You'd think this would be a great business. People just toss their old mowers, I guess, and get a new one.
I think your implication is backwards. it's not my fault that consumer goods that are the only thing available to me are not repairable. I actually HAVE repaired laptops, many times. I've had so many dirtbag computers heald together with prayer, it's amazing. I've cracked cases and replaced failed LCd panels and power supplies, and sealed laptop graphics cards that pop out because of case flex back to the motherboard with crazyglue and bondo.
but here's the thing: about half the time, the machine wasn't repairable. I bouy a $800 laptop, I spend $200 on parts when it starts to fail, but the machine is engineered in such a way as to make repair almost impossible, I break some prong or there's some corroded contact on the motherboard and I'm fucked.
Though I'll note that Portland has at least two small engine repair places within a few minutes of me that I am aware of that fix mowers. Portland is a town that scavenges, we have a lot of people who rebuild stuff. We have a lot of beater old cars on the street. We have guys who do nothing but resurrect Volvos or air-cooled VWs, and we have a culture not of shiny hot-rods, but of the guy that just loves nothing but Datsun B210s or VW squarebacks and knows how to fix them. I don't think the problem is with "society" because my town doesn't reflcet your assement.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:23:27pm |
re: #371 reine.de.tout
They usually have manuals on small engine repair at the auto shops. Don't know if that would help.
Tangentially, Red Wing shoe stores will repair and resole their brand at a reasonable price. Not at the store itself, but you can bring a pair in and they'll ship 'em to their repair shop.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:23:51pm |
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:23:57pm |
re: #395 ausador
Ohh...I'm scared of Ben Quayle, he just seems so tough...unless he was my cellmate, then I'd tell his wimpy self to get busy and give me a B-J.
/// J/k, or am I? ;)
You have some weird fantasies, my friend.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:24:55pm |
River (to Simon, her brother): I took you away from there.
Simon: No.
River: I know I did. You don't think I do - but - I get confused. I remember everything. I remember too much. And some of it's made up, and some of it can't be quatified, and...there's secrets...
Simon: It's okay.
River: But I understand. You gave up everything you had to find me. You found me broken. It's hard for you. You gave up everything you had!
Simon (looking into his sister's eyes): Mei mei - everything I have is right here.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:25:11pm |
re: #392 Nimed
I partly agree with your assessment. Democrats will surely capitalize on the strong resentment minorities will have against the GOP for a while. But I also believe that people tend not to have long memories in politics. Enough electoral pain and the GOP will eventually adapt to the new times.
Just you sit and watch this process take place within the next 5 five years with gay marriage. Half a decade from now we will hear Republican leaders say that all the objections they had against gay marriage resulted from differences of opinion regarding how to overcome legal hurdles and implement it.
It'll be something to watch! I don't think it'll be in 5 years.
Five years from now will be like muslim-hate now. It'll be AFTER gay marriage passes that the true anti-gay rage of social conservatives will be manifest. It's going to flare up and get worse before it gets better.
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boredtechindenver Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:25:16pm |
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:25:54pm |
re: #396 JasonA
War has become a lot more about quality than quantity.
War became quality over quantity with the US after WWII, because we figured out after looking at the Soviets fight that we didn't have the manpower to fight a war of attrition, and that's what any war with them was going to turn into. So we turned to developing weapons with kill ratios that made their manpower advantage less of a problem.
Problem is that the Cold War is over and now we have a military composed of its left-overs that cost too much to build/maintain, are not adapted for modern urban combat, and are badly out of date.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:25:58pm |
re: #404 Cato the Elder
Strange, I'm watching that right now.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:26:01pm |
It's at 2:09 in that video. Yes, Napolitano thinks FDR is responsible for Pearl Harbor.
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:26:21pm |
re: #397 Stanley Sea
I would pretty much bank that the Cordoba Project guy was there. $$ on it.
Thanks for looking!
I did find some wingnut history here:
Take Talal Eid. In 2006, Mr. Eid gave the blessing at the White House Ramadan dinner, and this year Mr. Bush appointed him to the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. As Robert Spencer has reported, Mr. Eid is a Wahhabi-trained imam certified by the anti-American Muslim World League who has actually called for the establishment of Shariah courts in the United States to regulate the family affairs of American Muslims.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:27:09pm |
re: #403 JasonA
You have some weird fantasies, my friend.
If you think my fantasies are weird you are obviously not drinking enough, after about eight more beers they will seem entirely sensible, I assure you. :p
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:27:24pm |
re: #398 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Quantity has a quality all its own.
The unmanned Drones are a wonder.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:27:25pm |
re: #409 freetoken
It's at 2:09 in that video. Yes, Napolitano thinks FDR is responsible for Pearl Harbor.
What can really be said to that
next he's going to smear Lincoln
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:28:02pm |
re: #402 freetoken
FDR is a favorite target of them. Watch this:
[Video]
Did... did he just say "I believe that FDR maneuvered the Japanese into attacking and killing innocent American sailors and soldiers on December 7th, 1941?" Did I hear that? This guy gets a show on Fox Business?!?
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jaunte Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:28:17pm |
re: #409 freetoken
This is what happens when one has no forehead.
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ReamWorks SKG Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:28:28pm |
Hey! I'm back after a couple of weeks on the road. What did I miss?
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:28:53pm |
re: #414 JasonA
Yes, this is the very same guy on Fox Business, and that is what he said.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:29:06pm |
re: #407 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
War became quality over quantity with the US after WWII, because we figured out after looking at the Soviets fight that we didn't have the manpower to fight a war of attrition, and that's what any war with them was going to turn into. So we turned to developing weapons with kill ratios that made their manpower advantage less of a problem.
Problem is that the Cold War is over and now we have a military composed of its left-overs that cost too much to build/maintain, are not adapted for modern urban combat, and are badly out of date.
Well... I didn't say we doing just great in the quality department.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:29:37pm |
re: #416 reuven
Hey! I'm back after a couple of weeks on the road. What did I miss?
Not a lot. Hope you had happy travels.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:29:59pm |
re: #387 reine.de.tout
Many can be.
But the repair costs are quite often higher than the new product.
OR, as you say, they can't be repaired.There are some businesses opening up here (and I'm sure all over) that repair cell phones, with repair cost LOWER than the cost of a new phone. Now you know - if you had a phone that broke and took it to your service provider, no way would they repair it, they would sell you a new phone.
Local story: There is a business space at the end of the long road I live off of - since I've been here there's been like 3 businesses there: deli, floral shop, tea house. All failed, closed down after at most 1 year. Now? It's a successful "small machine" repair shop - basically lawnmowers for the local landscaping businesses. They are busy as hell, full parking lot etc. So there is hope.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:30:04pm |
re: #414 JasonA
Did... did he just say "I believe that FDR maneuvered the Japanese into attacking and killing innocent American sailors and soldiers on December 7th, 1941?" Did I hear that? This guy gets a show on Fox Business?!?
And people were mad because they thought Van Jones might have been a Troofer?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:30:30pm |
re: #417 freetoken
Yes, this is the very same guy on Fox Business, and that is what he said.
When does you get that special moment where this stuff stops surprising you? I'm still waiting.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:30:33pm |
re: #412 prairiefire
The unmanned Drones are a wonder.
When you have complete control of the air, sure. Now throw a few dozen enemy fighters into the mix.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:31:13pm |
re: #421 SanFranciscoZionist
And people were mad because they thought Van Jones might have been a Troofer?
The very same people who watch Fox.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:31:28pm |
re: #404 Cato the Elder
Hoban 'Wash' Washburn: This landing is gonna get pretty interesting.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: Define "interesting".
Hoban 'Wash' Washburn: Oh God, oh God, we're all going to die?
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:32:11pm |
re: #423 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
When you have complete control of the air, sure. Now throw a few dozen enemy fighters into the mix.
Enemy Afghan fighters? Enemy Iranian fighters, North Korean? The chess pieces are suspended for the moment.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:32:15pm |
re: #387 reine.de.tout
Many can be.
But the repair costs are quite often higher than the new product.
OR, as you say, they can't be repaired.There are some businesses opening up here (and I'm sure all over) that repair cell phones, with repair cost LOWER than the cost of a new phone. Now you know - if you had a phone that broke and took it to your service provider, no way would they repair it, they would sell you a new phone.
Well, that;s true, but I also get the hard sell when I take my VW in for service. They're all like HAY WE GOT AN R32 ON THE LOT
What I'm saying is the problem isn't with "society", it's with the path corporations take when it comes to making things. Corporations have figured out that they make more money when they sell you a new thing rather than let you repair and use the old thing. Peoples' willingness to reapir things hasn't diminished, it's that it's impossible or expensive to repair the thing. If say, we made it far more difficult to buy cheap shit from overseas, we'd probably see a big sea change towrads more reapirable durable goods, because the incentive would shift away from "screw it, buy a new one" and towards "I bet I can get this working again"
People would happily buy easily repairable goods, but there are none available. Sometimes this is a good thing (you don't want a backyard mechanic screwing with airbags on a modern vehicle) and sometimes it's just a scam.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:32:30pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:32:43pm |
re: #414 JasonA
Did... did he just say "I believe that FDR maneuvered the Japanese into attacking and killing innocent American sailors and soldiers on December 7th, 1941?" Did I hear that? This guy gets a show on Fox Business?!?
Insanity. There is nothing else to be said about that.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:34:21pm |
re: #392 Nimed
I partly agree with your assessment. Democrats will surely capitalize on the strong resentment minorities will have against the GOP for a while. But I also believe that people tend not to have long memories in politics. Enough electoral pain and the GOP will eventually adapt to the new times.
Just you sit and watch this process take place within the next 5 five years with gay marriage. Half a decade from now we will hear Republican leaders say that all the objections they had against gay marriage resulted from differences of opinion regarding how to overcome legal hurdles and implement it.
Yep, just like the 9/11 first responder's health bill. They had an excuse why not to vote for it.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:34:23pm |
re: #422 JasonA
When does you get that special moment where this stuff stops surprising you? I'm still waiting.
That would be right after the anti-Islamic lunatics nuke the shit out of most of the Middle East and Indonesia, after that nothing should ever really surprise you again...
| 432 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:34:28pm |
re: #414 JasonA
Did... did he just say "I believe that FDR maneuvered the Japanese into attacking and killing innocent American sailors and soldiers on December 7th, 1941?" Did I hear that? This guy gets a show on Fox Business?!?
The fact that Fox News has found a guy willing to call FDR a mass murderer in front of cameras on their news network?
That's not an accident.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:34:45pm |
re: #402 freetoken
FDR is a favorite target of them. Watch this:
[Video]
Did you see the name of the poster of that video? "TerroristPatriot." Oh brother.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:34:54pm |
I love the menacing piano on that "history" lesson by Napolitano... makes it all sound very scary.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:36:04pm |
re: #433 JasonA
Did you see the name of the poster of that video? "TerroristPatriot." Oh brother.
That someone could think that's not massive cognitive dissonance is what's really scary.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:36:56pm |
re: #435 Dark_Falcon
That someone could think that's not massive cognitive dissonance is what's really scary.
Isn't that kinda how the real bad guys see themselves?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:38:15pm |
re: #425 eclectic infidel
Hoban 'Wash' Washburn: This landing is gonna get pretty interesting.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: Define "interesting".
Hoban 'Wash' Washburn: Oh God, oh God, we're all going to die?
You should have let me seen her captain. We should have done this as men, not with fire.
Vessel in range, lock on. Bastard's not even changing course.
Target the Reavers. TARGET THE REAVERS! TARGET EVERYONE! SOMEBODY FIRE!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:38:50pm |
re: #434 freetoken
I love the menacing piano on that "history" lesson by Napolitano... makes it all sound very scary.
It occurs to me that Fox News is the first truly "Dark Future" mass media. Like something from 1984, or Brave New World, or They Live, or Total Recall, or Children of Men, or Demolition Man, or the Running Man. The cartoonishly cinematic evil TV network from some 80's movie about the future, with the guy in the boardroom cackling like Richard Dawson and they've got the heroine in a cage and they're torturing her to give up where Arnold Schwartzenegger's character is hiding.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:39:07pm |
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:39:59pm |
Remember, Napolitano is the guy who has on Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell... from yesterday:
Then come on at about 10:11 when he is finished with Bill O.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:40:06pm |
re: #435 Dark_Falcon
That someone could think that's not massive cognitive dissonance is what's really scary.
You have people in this country, who fantasize about killing people who are their political enemies, and have equated murder with patriotism and America.
This isn't an accident! There's GOP politicians leaning in this direction with every word they say.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:40:49pm |
re: #436 JasonA
Isn't that kinda how the real bad guys see themselves?
Yes, and it scares the Hell out of me. That guy who Charles posted about last night who talked about killing off the "ruling class" calls himself a conservative while sounding like a Maoist. And Maoists are very scary.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:41:13pm |
re: #414 JasonA
Did... did he just say "I believe that FDR maneuvered the Japanese into attacking and killing innocent American sailors and soldiers on December 7th, 1941?" Did I hear that? This guy gets a show on Fox Business?!?
Thats been a long held belief in some circles, that FDR forced Japan into attacking so he could get the US people to buy into the war effort.
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Gus Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:41:18pm |
re: #439 Stanley Sea
Spencer = disqualification of any reason.
Such haters.
Thanks for the searching!
Yeah. Truth be told the haters went nuts when Bush did all of this. Of course they largely kept it private.
| 445 |
freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:42:23pm |
Yes, Lew Rockwell said on Fox that the US is a dictatorship.
Really.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:43:08pm |
re: #445 freetoken
Yes, Lew Rockwell said on Fox that the US is a dictatorship.
Really.
And a piss-poor one, at that.
/
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:43:48pm |
re: #441 WindUpBird
You have people in this country, who fantasize about killing people who are their political enemies, and have equated murder with patriotism and America.
This isn't an accident! There's GOP politicians leaning in this direction with every word they say.
the GOP political figures don't want murder, but they don't keep the kooks at arms length. Most of the kooks aren't actually dangerous, but some of them are deadly.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:43:52pm |
re: #445 freetoken
Yes, Lew Rockwell said on Fox that the US is a dictatorship.
Really.
I whole-heartedly support President-for-life Obama!
| 449 |
tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:44:03pm |
re: #443 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thats been a long held belief in some circles, that FDR forced Japan into attacking so he could get the US people to buy into the war effort.
Why won't someone ask Napolitano, "So, do you think we shouldn't have joined WWII?"
| 450 |
freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:44:44pm |
Yes, Fox has on Lew Rockwell saying that the US invasion of Afghanistan is control the oil of the region.
Really.
On Fox.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:45:07pm |
re: #442 Dark_Falcon
By the way, since I'm thinking about it, you haven't burned any bridges with me, DF, you simply make me want to hurl my pint glass at my computer monitor sometimes and bury my face in my hands in frustration and go WHAT THE BALLS MAN, HOW DOES A DUDE EVEN COME TO THAT CONCLUSION
Which you know, I got acquaintances who are in that realm and I still manage to go on the dance floor with them and enjoy myself
I'd still buy you a drink if you were in Portland, though it might be at a gay bar because that would be great ;-)
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:45:12pm |
re: #437 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
This is perhaps my favorite quote from Firefly:
Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:45:17pm |
re: #450 freetoken
Yes, Fox has on Lew Rockwell saying that the US invasion of Afghanistan is control the oil of the region.
Really.
On Fox.
WHEN did he say this? That's the crucial part. Did he perhaps discover this...more recently?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:46:07pm |
re: #421 SanFranciscoZionist
One partisan's troof is another partisan's... well... "truth", I guess.
I wasn't buying the moonbat garbage over the last eight years, and I ain't putting a single penny down for the wingnut garbage on the market today.
Slightly OTT, but Alex Jones must be some kind of special conspiracy monger. No matter which party is tops in DC, that fucker manages to sell his nut-burgers profitably to the disloyal opposition.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:46:41pm |
re: #450 freetoken
Yes, Fox has on Lew Rockwell saying that the US invasion of Afghanistan is control the oil of the region.
Really.
On Fox.
Which is hilarious, because I remember the Loony Left makin' that accusation back in the day. Said we went after Afghanistan because Bush's oil company buddies wanted to build an oil pipeline that the Taliban had put the kibosh on during the Clinton years.
| 456 |
Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:47:04pm |
re: #405 WindUpBird
It'll be something to watch! I don't think it'll be in 5 years.
Five years from now will be like muslim-hate now. It'll be AFTER gay marriage passes that the true anti-gay rage of social conservatives will be manifest. It's going to flare up and get worse before it gets better.
I guess we'll see. Here's why I'm more optimistic than you: a) public opinion has been changing really quickly on this, and b) this poll show 2 very important pieces of information if you're a politician:
- independents are now favoring gay marriage 57% to 43%
- under 50 year olds are favoring gay marriage 58% to 42%
Young people and independents are the stuff the wet dreams of politicians are made of, regardless of political color. So this issue, unlike anti-Muslim or anti-immigration sentiment, is rapidly becoming toxic for the GOP on a national level.
Now, I'm fairly sure that there will be bastions of anti-gay sentiment that will take forever to disappear. But I'm willing to bet a lot money that the Mich McConnels and John Boehners of this world will be dancing to a very different tune in five years.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:47:53pm |
re: #450 freetoken
Yes, Fox has on Lew Rockwell saying that the US invasion of Afghanistan is control the oil of the region.
Really.
On Fox.
I'm still waiting for them to go totally anti-war and start protesting in the streets with peace signs. Oh, the irony....
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:48:28pm |
re: #451 WindUpBird
By the way, since I'm thinking about it, you haven't burned any bridges with me, DF, you simply make me want to hurl my pint glass at my computer monitor sometimes and bury my face in my hands in frustration and go WHAT THE BALLS MAN, HOW DOES A DUDE EVEN COME TO THAT CONCLUSION
Which you know, I got acquaintances who are in that realm and I still manage to go on the dance floor with them and enjoy myself
I'd still buy you a drink if you were in Portland, though it might be at a gay bar because that would be great ;-)
Well, someday I might take you up on that offer. Don't worry about the gay bar thing; As long as I people treat me decently, I don't care what their sexual orientation is.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:48:33pm |
re: #455 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Which is hilarious, because I remember the Loony Left makin' that accusation back in the day. Said we went after Afghanistan because Bush's oil company buddies wanted to build an oil pipeline that the Taliban had put the kibosh on during the Clinton years.
I never heard that, but I did hear it about Iraq.
| 460 |
Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:49:12pm |
Yes, I know. I should be under my rock. But I can not let this slide.
Even thought they were were on the "other side" they were still my brothers.
10 years after the Kursk sinking, its crew is remembered
RIP. We Know who we are and what we are. The rest of them can only wonder.
No Sarc..... There are only two types of ships........
Targets
and
Submarines.
| 461 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:49:46pm |
re: #459 tnguitarist
I never heard that, but I did hear it about Iraq.
Oh, oil accusations flew on both wars. That whole region...eh.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:49:53pm |
re: #456 Nimed
I guess we'll see. Here's why I'm more optimistic than you: a) public opinion has been changing really quickly on this, and b) this poll show 2 very important pieces of information if you're a politician:
- independents are now favoring gay marriage 57% to 43%
- under 50 year olds are favoring gay marriage 58% to 42%Young people and independents are the stuff the wet dreams of politicians are made of, regardless of political color. So this issue, unlike anti-Muslim or anti-immigration sentiment, is rapidly becoming toxic for the GOP on a national level.
Now, I'm fairly sure that there will be bastions of anti-gay sentiment that will take forever to disappear. But I'm willing to bet a lot money that the Mich McConnels and John Boehners of this world will be dancing to a very different tune in five years.
That's why they've taken up the "states rights" line in recent years. They can't fight gay marriage forever, especially with the public warming to the idea in larger numbers with every passing year. So they've decided to argue that they just don't want it being imposed on states, that they want states to adopt it on their own terms and in their own time. Kinda like how, a generation ago, the segregation gang argued that it was the right of states to decide when and how they'd give up Jim Crow laws.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:49:58pm |
re: #456 Nimed
And the youths! Many of the anti-gay marriage supporters will be dead in 15 years.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:50:41pm |
re: #448 JasonA
I whole-heartedly support President-for-life Obama!
But then, you must be prepared to sing a little song on his birthday!
(Courtesy of Kejda, who has retired from posting here.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:50:48pm |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
the GOP political figures don't want murder, but they don't keep the kooks at arms length. Most of the kooks aren't actually dangerous, but some of them are deadly.
It's like a pyramid, basically, you got 10000 invested far-right-wing guys on message boards (less public than blogs. they can say what they really feel) joking about assassination of the president and, which normalizes the sentiment for the 200 guys who would carry a sign that incites violence at a tea party thing, which then further provides support and the normalizing of the sentiment for the 15 guys who are creepy militia guys with actual weapons stockpiles, selling meth to finace their activities, and little training theater things in the woods and that provides support for the ONE guy crazy enough to kill a man, because he's surrounded himself with the concentrated, distilled, essence of it and he now has the peer support to work h9imself up to it.
These guys don't come out of the womb ready to kill, they're encouraged every step of the way.
| 466 |
freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:51:04pm |
I think it is fair to say that Napolitano and friends haven't liked any President since Jefferson Davis.
| 467 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:51:37pm |
re: #466 freetoken
I think it is fair to say that Napolitano and friends haven't liked any President since Jefferson Davis.
Last I heard, Calvin Coolidge is still OK with them.
| 468 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:51:49pm |
re: #456 Nimed
I guess we'll see. Here's why I'm more optimistic than you: a) public opinion has been changing really quickly on this, and b) this poll show 2 very important pieces of information if you're a politician:
- independents are now favoring gay marriage 57% to 43%
- under 50 year olds are favoring gay marriage 58% to 42%Young people and independents are the stuff the wet dreams of politicians are made of, regardless of political color. So this issue, unlike anti-Muslim or anti-immigration sentiment, is rapidly becoming toxic for the GOP on a national level.
Now, I'm fairly sure that there will be bastions of anti-gay sentiment that will take forever to disappear. But I'm willing to bet a lot money that the Mich McConnels and John Boehners of this world will be dancing to a very different tune in five years.
I'm not worried about the majority! I'm worried about the 1% going crazy, and the GOP not wanting to lose their socon base.
| 469 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:52:19pm |
re: #463 prairiefire
And the youths! Many of the anti-gay marriage supporters will be dead in 15 years.
15 years, yeah! Five years I think will still be nastiness and rough going.
| 470 |
prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:53:01pm |
re: #468 WindUpBird
I'm not worried about the majority! I'm worried about the 1% going crazy, and the GOP not wanting to lose their socon base.
Lord, ain't we all, WUB?
| 471 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:53:18pm |
re: #458 Dark_Falcon
Well, someday I might take you up on that offer. Don't worry about the gay bar thing; As long as I people treat me decently, I don't care what their sexual orientation is.
The funny thing is I don't go to gay bars, that's why it'd be great ;-)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:55:02pm |
re: #457 tnguitarist
I'm still waiting for them to go totally anti-war and start protesting in the streets with peace signs. Oh, the irony...
Traitors! You're either with us our against us.
Oh the memories.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:55:42pm |
re: #469 WindUpBird
15 years, yeah! Five years I think will still be nastiness and rough going.
I think it's really rough now, and for the next three years. I think we might have got past the Resistance to progressivism after that.
Fingers crossed. I remember the 60's, grasshopper.
| 474 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:56:17pm |
re: #465 WindUpBird
It's like a pyramid, basically, you got 10000 invested far-right-wing guys on message boards (less public than blogs. they can say what they really feel) joking about assassination of the president and, which normalizes the sentiment for the 200 guys who would carry a sign that incites violence at a tea party thing, which then further provides support and the normalizing of the sentiment for the 15 guys who are creepy militia guys with actual weapons stockpiles, selling meth to finace their activities, and little training theater things in the woods and that provides support for the ONE guy crazy enough to kill a man, because he's surrounded himself with the concentrated, distilled, essence of it and he now has the peer support to work h9imself up to it.
These guys don't come out of the womb ready to kill, they're encouraged every step of the way.
True that.
| 475 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:57:09pm |
re: #473 prairiefire
I think it's really rough now, and for the next three years. I think we might have got past the Resistance to progressivism after that.
Fingers crossed. I remember the 60's, grasshopper.
Sad thing is, in a generation, the young, progressive voters pushing through all this now will be the old folks clutching at their pearls and gettin' the vapors at what the "young folk" are pushing as "progress."
The more things change...
| 476 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:58:30pm |
re: #473 prairiefire
I think it's really rough now, and for the next three years. I think we might have got past the Resistance to progressivism after that.
Fingers crossed. I remember the 60's, grasshopper.
Woot woot :D It's funny, you think I would be like MAN I WISH I COULDA BEEN THERE IN THE 60s
But really what I want is to be around in the mid to late 70's so I can see all the awesome concerts that took place when I was still drawing with crayolas :D
| 477 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:00:58pm |
re: #475 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Sad thing is, in a generation, the young, progressive voters pushing through all this now will be the old folks clutching at their pearls and gettin' the vapors at what the "young folk" are pushing as "progress."
The more things change...
I'm doing that NOW with the internet, I have yet to get a Facebook account. DAMN KIDS SCREW YOUR FACESPACE :D
But my dad is 70 and he's basically got my politics (slightly to the right of me on stuff like school vouchers) and thinks the young voters rock. I don't really subscribe to the notion that older people become conservative by their nature.
| 478 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:01:07pm |
re: #473 prairiefire
I think it's really rough now, and for the next three years. I think we might have got past the Resistance to progressivism after that.
Fingers crossed. I remember the 60's, grasshopper.
I'll never be accepting of progressivism (though I accept that liberalism is needed at times), but I hope in 3 years the right will be started on getting the crazy out of its system.
Goodnight all. Sorry to leave without defining terms but I need to get some sleep.
| 479 |
prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:02:13pm |
re: #476 WindUpBird
I was just a wide eyed girl in the 60's. But things happened very quickly. The 70's were a time of great liberation, buy also the stealth advance of Hep C and AIDS. The 90's seem to be the most sensible decade, so far as I know it.
| 480 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:02:26pm |
re: #478 Dark_Falcon
I'll never be accepting of progressivism (though I accept that liberalism is needed at times), but I hope in 3 years the right will be started on getting the crazy out of its system.
Goodnight all. Sorry to leave without defining terms but I need to get some sleep.
Progressivism by whose standards? I'm considered right wing by Europe's standards. :D
| 481 |
webevintage Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:02:29pm |
The Daily Show was hi-larious tonight.
Took on the Republican hypocrisy with tax cuts expiring and their deficit freak out AND Charlie Rangle's bullshit speech in the house yesterday defending himself.
| 482 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:03:42pm |
re: #479 prairiefire
I was just a wide eyed girl in the 60's. But things happened very quickly. The 70's were a time of great liberation, buy also the stealth advance of Hep C and AIDS. The 90's seem to be the most sensible decade, so far as I know it.
Seems to be, sort of boring and a general lack of upheaval. I don't subscribe to the general vibe of 90's rock though, I'm much more a fan of the stuff that happened in the 70's, 80's and now. :D
| 483 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:04:21pm |
re: #481 webevintage
The Daily Show was hi-larious tonight.
Took on the Republican hypocrisy with tax cuts expiring and their deficit freak out AND Charlie Rangle's bullshit speech in the house yesterday defending himself.
Guh Charlie Rangle :-(
That guy really needs to go if half the shit that's being said about him is true
| 484 |
Nimed Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:04:59pm |
re: #468 WindUpBird
I'm not worried about the majority! I'm worried about the 1% going crazy, and the GOP not wanting to lose their socon base.
Ok, but don't you believe that parties are fundamentally self-interested? Don't forget that the craziness we're seeing on a daily basis is largely currently supported by a substantial share of the public. This is the case for the AZ law, the NYC mosque, the various Tea Party antics, etc.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:06:07pm |
re: #482 WindUpBird
Seems to be, sort of boring and a general lack of upheaval. I don't subscribe to the general vibe of 90's rock though, I'm much more a fan of the stuff that happened in the 70's, 80's and now. :D
No fucking Pearl Jam? damn
| 487 |
tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:06:48pm |
| 488 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:08:24pm |
re: #481 webevintage
The Daily Show was hi-larious tonight.
Took on the Republican hypocrisy with tax cuts expiring and their deficit freak out AND Charlie Rangle's bullshit speech in the house yesterday defending himself.
I missed his little speech. What did Charlie have to say in his defense?
| 489 |
Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:10:36pm |
Alrighty. time to finish off The Shield, Season 7. The end is near.
Ciao.
| 490 |
Racer X Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:12:19pm |
re: #488 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I missed his little speech. What did Charlie have to say in his defense?
"I've been here 40 years. I'm entitled to a little perk here and there.'"
| 491 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:12:37pm |
re: #489 eclectic infidel
Alrighty. time to finish off The Shield, Season 7. The end is near.
Ciao.
I miss Vic.
| 492 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:14:08pm |
re: #490 Racer X
"I've been here 40 years. I'm entitled to a little perk here and there.'"
Man's a posterchild for Congressional term limits.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:15:36pm |
re: #486 Stanley Sea
No fucking Pearl Jam? damn
The thing is, AIDS was an absolute scourge to the gay community of the 70's and 80's. Out of all the chorus boys in Mel Brooks, Al Fosse works, etc. all are gone except maybe 2 people.
The East Village in NYC was wiped out. Gone. Awful
| 494 |
freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:17:35pm |
And while we're talking about the hate-right, I see that on Vdare there is gnashing of teeth over the WSJ banning the term "anchor baby."
The whining is all over this opinion piece at the WSJ:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
The comments - and remember that WSJ does do some moderation - are full of angst and ugliness.
Murdoch loves this (which is why Murdoch has Brimelow on the payroll.)
| 495 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:18:09pm |
Ah, Babylon 5;
Londo's 2nd Wife: Petulant, isn't she? Well, breeding will tell.
Londo's 1st Wife: A bitch like you would know about breeding.
Londo: Ladies, ladies, please...continue
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:19:06pm |
re: #493 prairiefire
The thing is, AIDS was an absolute scourge to the gay community of the 70's and 80's. Out of all the chorus boys in Mel Brooks, Al Fosse works, etc. all are gone except maybe 2 people.
The East Village in NYC was wiped out. Gone. Awful
What a time that was. Seriously. The theater and fashion community lost so many, and it's been over 20 years, so the memory has faded. I remember being so afraid...
| 497 |
prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:21:17pm |
re: #496 Stanley Sea
What a time that was. Seriously. The theater and fashion community lost so many, and it's been over 20 years, so the memory has faded. I remember being so afraid...
Reading Vanity Fair, W, Village Voice, Warhol's Interview, The New Yorker. So many tributes and memorials. It was very sad.
| 498 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:22:36pm |
re: #493 prairiefire
The thing is, AIDS was an absolute scourge to the gay community of the 70's and 80's. Out of all the chorus boys in Mel Brooks, Al Fosse works, etc. all are gone except maybe 2 people.
The East Village in NYC was wiped out. Gone. Awful
I was in elementary school in San Francisco when the AIDS epidemic hit for real.
I had this daycare center teacher I adored. He was just a 'grown up'--you know, older than dirt. Only way later did I realize that he was fresh out of college, and his friends and lovers were dropping like flies around him, as he taught a bunch of little kids at the Jewish Community Center how to make chanukiahs out of modeling clay.
I do remember my father telling me--I must have been seven or eight--that he and some friends had had to lay out a friend for burial because the chevra kadisha was afraid to handle the body.
Around the same time, my best friend's parents bought a house (up in Seacliff, her dad was a surgeon), and they found out the former owners had died of AIDS-related illness. The whole family had to be tested--because they'd been in the house that had been lived in by the guys with AIDS. Remember, this kids' father was an MD.
I remember saying "Are you OK?" after hearing about this, and she shrugged and said "Yeah, we don't have it." At the time, that was just good news, now I think of the ignorance, and my head goes sproing.
Bad, bad times.
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webevintage Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:23:49pm |
re: #488 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I missed his little speech. What did Charlie have to say in his defense?
It was odd.
Rangel began with "If this is an emergency and I think it is to help out our local and state governments out...what about me?" Yeah and it went downhill from there.
I need to find a video of it.
Stewart's last comment was "I never thought, in my life, that I would see the man who served 40 years as the representative of Harlem morph into an old Jewish man right before my eyes..."I, I don't care what you do, I'm gonna die soon...the real question is....how will you live with yourselves?"."
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:24:19pm |
re: #494 freetoken
And while we're talking about the hate-right, I see that on Vdare there is gnashing of teeth over the WSJ banning the term "anchor baby."
The whining is all over this opinion piece at the WSJ:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
The comments - and remember that WSJ does do some moderation - are full of angst and ugliness.
Murdoch loves this (which is why Murdoch has Brimelow on the payroll.)
Of course, they are attacking the writer, her name is Chavez.
Ugly Americans.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:25:10pm |
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:25:34pm |
Does anyone else read the bottom comments first thing when you sign in? It's like reading the arrest report in the paper.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:26:52pm |
re: #502 tnguitarist
Does anyone else read the bottom comments first thing when you sign in? It's like reading the arrest report in the paper.
Top first, then of course, bottom.
I love when I'm the one responded to. Happens every once in awhile. Yay me!
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:27:42pm |
re: #502 tnguitarist
Does anyone else read the bottom comments first thing when you sign in? It's like reading the arrest report in the paper.
Nah, when I open up bottom comments, I breath a sigh of relief that I haven't said anything stupid and dickish enough (yet) to warrant being on the dishonor roll.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:27:52pm |
re: #503 Stanley Sea
Top first, then of course, bottom.
I love when I'm the one responded to. Happens every once in awhile. Yay me!
Bottom first. I'm a good-news-last kinda guy.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:29:09pm |
re: #502 tnguitarist
Does anyone else read the bottom comments first thing when you sign in? It's like reading the arrest report in the paper.
I typically do and then I typically add in my own downdings, its like a TV show in a way "Trolls say the stupidest things!"
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:29:33pm |
re: #498 SanFranciscoZionist
It was awful. My two gay bosses at "Flowerrama" got sick about 3 months after I stopped working there and went back to college. Another fellow that I had waitered with at a restaurant the summer before was part of their circle. I saw one of my bosses and him talking about getting the diagnosis at the mall's Montgomery Ward's cafeteria. They were all dead within 1 and 1/2 years.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:31:09pm |
The sad thing, for me, is how wrong I was raised.
My parents were libtards, and taught me to think that people are still people even if they earn less than Sawah Pawin.
Wrong!
They taught me to think that a man's whisky drink is not to be despised even if it's got less than eighteen years in the barrel.
Wrong!
They taught me to believe that book larnin' was worth something besides getting a gooood jooooob and screwing some other guy out of his pension.
Wrong!
How I do lament my parentage, and all the impotent bleeding-heart shite I was taught. I could be rich and Rethuglican right now, had it not bee for all that twaddle.
Wrrrong!
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:31:16pm |
re: #506 jamesfirecat
I typically do and then I typically add in my own downdings, its like a TV show in a way "Trolls say the stupidest things!"
Same here. Especially if it's some heinous crap. I don't pile on just for the sake of it.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:32:05pm |
re: #507 prairiefire
It was awful. My two gay bosses at "Flowerrama" got sick about 3 months after I stopped working there and went back to college. Another fellow that I had waitered with at a restaurant the summer before was part of their circle. I saw one of my bosses and him talking about getting the diagnosis at the mall's Montgomery Ward's cafeteria. They were all dead within 1 and 1/2 years.
Cousin.
AIDS walk every year. It's still going, but not as strong as before, let's say..
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:33:02pm |
re: #508 Cato the Elder
They taught me to think that a man's whisky drink is not to be despised even if it's got less than eighteen years in the barrel.
Wrong!
Seven will suffice.
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:37:39pm |
Good night all! Good discussions tonight. The give and take of positions was thoughtful and by and large sane. This is what a discussion board should be. This place is so much more sane than when it was when I finally had the chance to get on board. I got absolutely hammered when I started posting as a rational liberal voice.
I'm no Moonbat, I'm more of a Skip Jackson Dem. (For the Newbies, check out the Wiki page). I don't post on any other political boards. I like it here. Sanity reigns. And thank you, Charles, for making it thus.
And I'm not ass-kissing. Two years ago there were long-time Lizards who were actively advocating the blatant racism we are seeing about the Cordoba Mosque. They have shuffled off.
If you disagree, let's have a discussion tomorrow. That's why this Board is important.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:53:07pm |
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:04:20pm |
re: #513 Cato the Elder
For good moonshine, I only ask one.
I speak of my hometown spirit. Tennessee Sour Mash. JD.
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:03:45am |
re: #148 prairiefire
A Jewish looking Dan Quayle? He has a funny sing~song quality to his speaking voice.
Care to explain what Jewish-looking means? Browse through this photostream to challenge your worldview.
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Thu, Aug 12, 2010 2:31:25am |
I think putting his dad on the '88 ticket was a strategic move (assuming Bush was grooming W all along for the job).
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prairiefire Thu, Aug 12, 2010 8:31:38am |
re: #515 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey
Care to explain what Jewish-looking means? Browse through this photostream to challenge your worldview.
I am sorry to offend. I don't think he looks like his father.
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