‘Ground Zero Mosque’ Imam Promoted America for the Bush Administration

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The State Department responds to the ridiculous complaints by Republican populists that Imam Feisal Rauf shouldn’t be sent overseas to represent and promote America.

The State Department says its choice of Mr. Rauf to represent the US in a forthcoming trip to Bahrain, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates, reflects the religious leader’s established record of moderation and his past experience in taking Islamic life in America to foreign audiences.

“His work on tolerance and religious diversity is well-known and he brings a moderate perspective to foreign audiences on what it’s like to be a practicing Muslim in the United States,” State Department spokesman P. J. Crowley said Tuesday. He added that the department’s public-diplomacy offices “have a long-term relationship with” Rauf – including during the past Bush administration, when the religious leader undertook a similar speaking tour.

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220 comments
1 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:06:26am

Sigh, but when are the moderate muslims going to call out the extremists like the moderate christians did when the shouted “I want gay sex now” at Christian looney Phelps?

Huh?

Huh?

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

2 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:07:07am

re: #1 Jeff In Ohio

Oh. Darthstar’s here
/.
:)’

3 TedStriker  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:07:44am

What Rauf has done in the past to represent America on behalf of the Bush administration no longer matters, now that he’s in league with (the sekrit Mooslim) President Obama to rape and defile Ground Zero!!!11ty

/fucking xenophobic wingnuts…

4 louis  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:08:38am

How did that last tour turn out?

5 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:08:48am

REPUDATE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!!! HE’S A SEKRIT MOSLUM SUPPORTER!!!!
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6 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:08:59am

That clever bastard set up Bush as a cover story, eh?

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7 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:10:08am

“Ground Zero” Mosque’ Imam Promoted America for the Bush Administration

That’s ok, cap and trade was a Reagan policy and a McCain/Palin campaign plank too, before they hated it.

My question has nothing to do with the contempt that Republicans have for honesty or the short term memory of Americans. My question is where are the Dems nailing them to the wall on this?

8 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:10:41am

re: #5 Surabaya Stew

REPUDATE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!!! HE’S A SEKRIT MOSLUM SUPPORTER!!!
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Bush was more in bed with Saudi Arabia than Obama could ever be. That is just a fact.

9 skullkrusher  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:10:55am

re: #5 Surabaya Stew

REPUDATE REFUDIATE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!!! HE’S A SEKRIT MOSLUM SUPPORTER!!!
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FTFY :)

10 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:11:44am

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

“Ground Zero” Mosque’ Imam Promoted America for the Bush Administration

That’s ok, cap and trade was a Reagan policy and a McCain/Palin campaign plank too, before they hated it.

My question has nothing to do with the contempt that Republicans have for honesty or the short term memory of Americans. My question is where are the Dems nailing them to the wall on this?

*crickets*

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:12:21am

re: #10 Floral Giraffe

*crickets*

Hey babe!

12 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:13:01am

re: #4 louis

How did that last tour turn out?

I think we lost some of our freedoms or something.

/

13 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:14:36am

re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey babe!

Back at you!

14 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:14:47am

re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote

Bush was more in bed with Saudi Arabia than Obama could ever be. That is just a fact.

That’s a fact that has just been ignored by the GOP over the past 10 years. The man might have been a screw-up, but to his credit, he never tried to take down or intentially hurt Muslim-Americans. He could score some points now if he made a speach standing up for Cordoba House.

15 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:17:09am

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

“Ground Zero” Mosque’ Imam Promoted America for the Bush Administration

That’s ok, cap and trade was a Reagan policy and a McCain/Palin campaign plank too, before they hated it.

My question has nothing to do with the contempt that Republicans have for honesty or the short term memory of Americans. My question is where are the Dems nailing them to the wall on this?

They’re busy looking at their balls, preserved in little glass jars labeled “compromise”, lamenting the fact that they no longer have any.

16 Max  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:17:35am

The right wing has all but abandoned our former president. You can thank Glenn Beck and Ron Paul for this.

17 blueraven  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:17:55am

re: #4 louis

How did that last tour turn out?

I don’t know, how did it turn out?

18 Gus  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:18:50am

Bahrain - International Religious Freedom Report 2008
State Department

To foster better relations between Muslims and non-Muslims, the United States again sponsored the Ramadan visit of a prominent American imam; in 2007 it was the Chairman of the Cordoba Initiative, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. He met with clerics, government officials, and members of the public. He also delivered lectures and gave interviews to the local media promoting tolerance and moderation.

19 Max  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:19:56am

re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote

Bush was more in bed with Saudi Arabia than Obama could ever be. That is just a fact.

I wish Bush had said “Let’s Roll” on our energy crisis. We won’t be secure until we can cut off the Saudi’s petrodollar spigot.

20 ShaunP  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:20:04am

re: #16 Max D. Reinhardt

The right wing has all but abandoned our former president. You can thank Glenn Beck and Ron Paul for this.

Speaking of Ronnie and the Glennster:

Imam Rauf - I wouldn’t say the United States deserved what happened on 9-11, but the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

Glenn Beck - When people said they hate us, well, did we deserve 9-11? No. But were we minding our business? No. Were we in bed with dictators and abandoned our values and principles? Yes. That causes problems.

Ron Paul - Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years…

21 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:20:17am

re: #9 skullkrusher

FTFY :)

Thanks!

22 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:20:51am

Always said when republicans screamed flip-flopper about Kerry they were projecting.

23 Gus  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:21:19am

Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow Forum

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, Founder, Cordoba Initiative; Daisy Kahn; Syyeda Mirza, and Omar Amanat
Foreign Press Center Roundtable
New York, New York
June 15, 2006
State Department

The New York Foreign Press Center hosted a panel of distinguished guests who will take part in an upcoming conference, Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow, (MLT) in Copenhagen, July 7 -9, 2006. Panelists included: Imam Feisal Roundtable on the Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow ForumAbdul Rauf, Founder, Cordoba Initiative; Daisy Kahn, Executive Director, American Society for Muslim Advancement; Sayyeda Mirza, Project Manager, Reframing Perceptions of Islam and Muslims, East West Center; and Omar Amanat, Entrepreneur, Technologiest, and Philanthropist.

The June 15 roundtable discussed Muslim integration in the West, the importance of young Muslim generation in the West, their sense of identity, leadership goals, intrafaith conversation, gender equality, as well as many other pertinent items which will be highlight in the July MLT forum.

On Foreign Press Centers:

The United States Department of State has Foreign Press Centers in Washington, D.C. and New York. The Foreign Press Centers support U.S. policies by helping foreign media cover the U.S. Their goal is to promote the depth, accuracy, and balance of foreign reporting from the U.S., by providing direct access to authoritative American information sources.

24 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:21:38am

re: #19 Max D. Reinhardt

I wish Bush had said “Let’s Roll” on our energy crisis. We won’t be secure until we can cut off the Saudi’s petrodollar spigot.

I agree with you but I’m curious… how do we do that?

25 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:21:49am

re: #22 Dreggas

Always said when republicans screamed flip-flopper about Kerry they were projecting.

I thought they were just obsessed with footwear.

26 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:22:35am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

I agree with you but I’m curious… how do we do that?

Maybe by increasing funding of alternate energy source research… OOPS!

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27 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:22:40am

re: #25 Fozzie Bear

I thought they were just obsessed with footwear.

Cantor is such a croc…

28 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:23:22am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

I agree with you but I’m curious… how do we do that?

First you convince a majority of the population that some sacrifice will be necessary at least in the short term, and that they will have to accept that some luxuries will become more expensive…

Oh ok never mind the first step is impossible.

29 Max  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:23:26am

re: #20 ShaunP

Speaking of Ronnie and the Glennster:

Imam Rauf - I wouldn’t say the United States deserved what happened on 9-11, but the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

Glenn Beck - When people said they hate us, well, did we deserve 9-11? No. But were we minding our business? No. Were we in bed with dictators and abandoned our values and principles? Yes. That causes problems.

Ron Paul - Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years…

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul are reactionaries. We can’t conduct our foreign policy like our 18th century Founders. That would be like going back to their systems of banking, transportation, and trade laws. It would wreck our global economic system.

Also, if they really are only mad because we’re over there, then why didn’t the Islamists attack us when we had peacekeeping troops on the Saudi-Yemen border in the 60s?

30 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:23:42am

re: #27 JasonA

Cantor is such a croc…

Still trying to pump that arguement?

31 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:24:05am

re: #15 Fozzie Bear

They’re busy looking at their balls, preserved in little glass jars labeled “compromise”, lamenting the fact that they no longer have any.

Ain’t that the sad truth.

32 Ming  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:24:06am

I’m sure I would disagree with Mr. Rauf about many things, but he seems like a person who can play a positive role. Isn’t the goal in Iraq and Afghanistan to create countries of “moderate Muslims”? I happen to think the idea of nation-building is very hazardous, but it seems that the basic premise of nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan is that there are “good Muslims”. If someone disagrees that there can be “good Muslims”, then they should be against our nation-building efforts overseas, and simply call for total war against the world’s Muslims.

33 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:24:45am

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

You have mail.

34 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:25:04am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Still trying to pump that arguement?

Shoo, fly.

35 Macha  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:25:43am

re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote

Bush was more in bed with Saudi Arabia than Obama could ever be. That is just a fact.

Just about every administration has been in bed with Saudi Arabia ever since they needed our expertise to get at their oil. But IMO Bush, being an ‘oil man’ had years of being up close and personal with the Saudi’s before he ever became president.

36 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:26:07am

re: #32 Ming

If someone disagrees that there can be “good Muslims”, then they should be against our nation-building efforts overseas, and simply call for total war against the world’s Muslims.

That’s happening.

37 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:26:09am

re: #19 Max D. Reinhardt

I wish Bush had said “Let’s Roll” on our energy crisis. We won’t be secure until we can cut off the Saudi’s petrodollar spigot.

That is an obvious truth that has been clear since the Nixon administration. Even without AGW, it is something we should have done decades ago.

38 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:26:23am

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

Back at you!

Hi Floral..Hope today finds you well

39 insanity police  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:27:54am

I’m honestly amazed at how much opposition this project has garnered.

40 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:29:30am

re: #39 insanity police

I’m honestly amazed at how much opposition this project has garnered.

They’re just playing on deeper fears. It’s not all about the mosque.

41 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:29:52am

re: #37 LudwigVanQuixote

That is an obvious truth that has been clear since the Nixon administration. Even without AGW, it is something we should have done decades ago.

If they had done something the first time someone said, “BUT IT WILL TAKE 10 YEARS!”, we already be 30 years further ahead than we are now.

42 Max  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:30:04am

re: #37 LudwigVanQuixote

That is an obvious truth that has been clear since the Nixon administration. Even without AGW, it is something we should have done decades ago.

Yet, the paranoid wingnuts and absolutists won’t let us.

IMHO, no candidate can claim the mantle as a “national security candidate” if they aren’t committed to energy independence.

43 jaunte  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:30:26am

re: #39 insanity police

Demagogues tend to pick up whatever mob-rallying tool is handy.

44 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:30:32am

re: #34 JasonA

Shoo, fly.

Don’t make me give you the boot!

45 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:31:34am

re: #39 insanity police

I’m honestly amazed at how much opposition this project has garnered.

Never underestimate the amount of hate that the GOP has at it’s disposal. They have rage on tap. They call it their “base”. You just have to keep feeding it fear, and it will give back an unlimited supply of anger.

46 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:32:11am

re: #38 HoosierHoops

Hi Floral..Hope today finds you well

Marvelous! How’re you?

47 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:32:17am

re: #28 Fozzie Bear

First you convince a majority of the population that some sacrifice will be necessary at least in the short term, and that they will have to accept that some luxuries will become more expensive…

Oh ok never mind the first step is impossible.

I agree. This little story may sound like it has nothing to do with cutting back on oil consumption, but bear with me, your comment above triggered something.

Last night I worked a overnight shift in general merchandise, to fill in for a vacationing full timer. One of the many aisle I stock was the aisle with deodorant products.

I never noticed before, but do you realize how many different “flavors” of deodorants there are? I counted at least 35 to 40 different versions… all basically the same shit in the bottle with a different smell.

It’s maybe a simple stupid observation, but really, the conspicuous consumption on display in that aisle was obscene. And on the flip side, we’ve let the marketing world actually convince us that we need all these brands.

“… convince a majority of the population that some sacrifice will be necessary…” I don’t think so.

48 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:33:36am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

We can’t even get by without 30 different brands of water to choose from. WATER!

49 deranged cat  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:33:54am

hey guys, a Tea Partier just said that she wants to hang Senator Patty Murray! To the people who were getting all up-in-arms about the NH Dem’s comments about Palin.. ARE YOU GUYS OUTRAGED?? YEA??

50 Gus  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:33:54am

Paper on:

USAWC STRATEGY RESEARCH PROJECT
DEFEATING THE LOGIC OF ISLAMIST TERRORISM
by
Colonel Wing Kai Chan
Singapore Armed Forces
Dr. Gabriel Marcella

U.S. Army War College
CARLISLE BARRACKS, PENNSYLVANIA 17013

At the end, the religious debate will predominantly be an internal contest within the Muslim community where non-Muslims rightfully have no standing to participate. However, given the global nature of the Jihad waged by the Islamist terrorist movement and the growing Muslim population in many non-Islamic countries, non-Muslims do have the duty to lend support to the moderate Muslims. At the minimum, what non-Muslims can do is to be sensitive to Muslim religious and cultural sentiments and avoid creating unnecessary controversies that can cause resentment. Proactively, efforts should be invested to promote inter-faith dialogues that engage in two dimensions: “the vertical, which is about fathoming the different ways people understand and worship God, and the horizontal, which involves developing coalitions of the righteous across the religious spectrum to work together toward the betterment of society.” (17) Combating extremism requires both Muslims and non-Muslims to work hand-in-hand, and unity can only be achieved when there is mutual understanding and appreciation.

(17) Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, What’s right with Islam: A New Vision for Muslims and the West (San Francisco: HarperCollins, 2004), p. 276.

51 blueraven  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:33:58am

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don’t make me give you the boot!

Careful with the hidden stiletto tucked inside.

52 Nimed  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:34:35am

re: #25 Fozzie Bear

I thought they were just obsessed with footwear.

That would explain sneakergate…

53 McSpiff  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:34:37am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

Telling Americans to accept a drop in the standard of living in nearly any form is political suicide. That goes from McMansions and the financial crises, to cutting government budgets, to energy independence and AGW.

54 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:34:44am

re: #42 Max D. Reinhardt

Yet, the paranoid wingnuts and absolutists won’t let us.

IMHO, no candidate can claim the mantle as a “national security candidate” if they aren’t committed to energy independence.

Of course not. We have allowed ourselves to become so choked by the wealthy fossil fuel interests that national security, the existence of better and more economical technologies, and the treat of impending doom don’t impact.

55 cliffster  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:34:49am

Market is continuing to take a beating. On the bright side, our money is becoming more leverageable..

56 Areozol  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:35:06am

It’s apparently getting more and more crazy.

But those anti-mosque morons will simply ignore this fact, and go forward.

57 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:36:00am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

I agree. This little story may sound like it has nothing to do with cutting back on oil consumption, but bear with me, your comment above triggered something.

Last night I worked a overnight shift in general merchandise, to fill in for a vacationing full timer. One of the many aisle I stock was the aisle with deodorant products.

I never noticed before, but do you realize how many different “flavors” of deodorants there are? I counted at least 35 to 40 different versions… all basically the same shit in the bottle with a different smell.

It’s maybe a simple stupid observation, but really, the conspicuous consumption on display in that aisle was obscene. And on the flip side, we’ve let the marketing world actually convince us that we need all these brands.

“… convince a majority of the population that some sacrifice will be necessary…” I don’t think so.

My wife can’t seem to understand why I always buy the generic toothpaste, shampoo, razors, etc when we go to the store. “Look, its new and improved and it smells like lavender.”

“Its hair soap, how much new and improved can it be?”

She freaks when I use shampoo as soap too.

58 ShaunP  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:36:35am

re: #29 Max D. Reinhardt

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul are reactionaries. We can’t conduct our foreign policy like our 18th century Founders. That would be like going back to their systems of banking, transportation, and trade laws. It would wreck our global economic system.

Also, if they really are only mad because we’re over there, then why didn’t the Islamists attack us when we had peacekeeping troops on the Saudi-Yemen border in the 60s?

You’re right. I was more making a comparison that the folks screaming loudest about the Imam’s comments, have no issue when Beck or Paul say essentially the same thing…

59 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:37:32am

re: #46 Floral Giraffe

Marvelous! How’re you?

Well 3 weeks in a Hotel in Oklahoma can drive a person a little crazy…I’m going back to Indiana This weekend to pack and prepare to move here.
Moving is such a hassle but I shant not complain

60 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:37:56am

re: #2 Jeff In Ohio

Oh. Darthstar’s here
/.
:)’

???

61 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:38:08am

re: #51 blueraven

Careful with the hidden stiletto tucked inside.

Comments like that can clog up a thread.

62 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:38:12am

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My wife can’t seem to understand why I always buy the generic toothpaste, shampoo, razors, etc when we go to the store. “Look, its new and improved and it smells like lavender.”

“Its hair soap, how much new and improved can it be?”

She freaks when I use shampoo as soap too.

I’m still working on my wife in this regard. I have convinced her to buy generic baking soda, dish soap, sugar, flour, etc. She still demands that her shampoo be brand name. One step at a time.

63 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:40:10am

re: #62 Fozzie Bear

I’m still working on my wife in this regard. I have convinced her to buy generic baking soda, dish soap, sugar, flour, etc. She still demands that her shampoo be brand name. One step at a time.

I still can’t get her to see the truth about bottled water.

“Is that…sink water?”

You would think I just dunked the glass in the toilet.

64 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:40:37am

re: #60 darthstar

???

Call back a few months back when you chastised me for neglecting a sarc tag on sarcasm.

65 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:40:42am

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I still can’t get her to see the truth about bottled water.

“Is that…sink water?”

You would think I just dunked the glass in the toilet.

Behold the power of propaganda.

66 blueraven  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:41:13am

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Comments like that can clog up a thread.

It is essential to my platform.

67 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:41:55am

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My wife can’t seem to understand why I always buy the generic toothpaste, shampoo, razors, etc when we go to the store. “Look, its new and improved and it smells like lavender.”

“Its hair soap, how much new and improved can it be?”

She freaks when I use shampoo as soap too.

New and improved is a Madison Ave. idea. After all the New Testament is 2000 years old

68 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:42:30am

re: #64 Jeff In Ohio

Call back a few months back when you chastised me for neglecting a sarc tag on sarcasm.

Ah, that’s right…I forgot all about that. I just missed the connection in the call out.

Ha!

69 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:42:39am

re: #66 blueraven

It is essential to my platform.

Yet it falls flat.

70 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:43:02am

re: #66 blueraven

It is essential to my platform.

Must we lace this thread with puns?

71 insanity police  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:43:09am

I thought this was just a p.r. ploy by Atlas at the beginning which would go nowhere.


appears to have been successful.

72 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:43:10am

re: #49 deranged cat

hey guys, a Tea Partier just said that she wants to hang Senator Patty Murray! To the people who were getting all up-in-arms about the NH Dem’s comments about Palin.. ARE YOU GUYS OUTRAGED?? YEA??

I had not realized she was elected to public office. Let me get right on that.

73 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:43:24am

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yet it falls flat.

Sandal-ous!

74 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:43:29am

re: #67 HoosierHoops

New and improved is a Madison Ave. idea. After all the New Testament is 2000 years old

OK, some ideas can use some revision.

75 insanity police  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:44:07am

re: #71 insanity police

I thought this was just a p.r. ploy by Atlas at the beginning which would go nowhere.


appears to have been successful.

Successful in terms of getting her into the “mainstream” of the right wing.

76 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:44:17am

re: #62 Fozzie Bear

I’m still working on my wife in this regard. I have convinced her to buy generic baking soda, dish soap, sugar, flour, etc. She still demands that her shampoo be brand name. One step at a time.

A respectful word to the wise. When it comes to certain expenses, it is much better for peace of the house to let the woman feel pretty (even if the brand name makes no actual difference).

Miss. S and I had a conversation about wedding dresses. Now, in the back of my mind, I thought, why not rent one rather than spend a thousand dollars on one. I am certainly going to rent the tux or tails or whatever she decides to let me choose without vetoing it.

She will only wear it once etc… etc…

However, I had he sense to not even imagine uttering those words.

77 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:44:21am

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My wife can’t seem to understand why I always buy the generic toothpaste, shampoo, razors, etc when we go to the store. “Look, its new and improved and it smells like lavender.”

“Its hair soap, how much new and improved can it be?”

She freaks when I use shampoo as soap too.

tell her to read the ingredients some time… almost all soap products are made of the same 5 or 6 basic ingredients… except for specialize medicated soaps and shampoos, the only difference is what ever “special” ingredient that certain product contains, like aloe or some shit like that… and that special ingredient really doesn’t do squat, just makes you feel like it’s an improvement, or special.

78 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:44:43am

re: #73 Floral Giraffe

Sandal-ous!

Pun threads always bring out the heels.

79 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:44:53am

Now that would be a movement that could have real results: Americans refusing to buy branded groceries, en masse, only generics. I guess people don’t think about it, but it is akin to paying a self-imposed tax for absolutely NO benefit. It’s just financing the jobs of people who produce nothing, add nothing to society, and contribute nothing useful. Marketing firms are economic leeches.

80 ShaunP  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:45:32am

re: #79 Fozzie Bear

…Marketing firms are economic leeches.

Easy there, killer…

81 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:45:34am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pun threads always bring out the heels.

Are yours looking a little worn-down?

82 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:46:32am

re: #76 LudwigVanQuixote

A respectful word to the wise. When it comes to certain expenses, it is much better for peace of the house to let the woman feel pretty (even if the brand name makes no actual difference).

Miss. S and I had a conversation about wedding dresses. Now, in the back of my mind, I thought, why not rent one rather than spend a thousand dollars on one. I am certainly going to rent the tux or tails or whatever she decides to let me choose without vetoing it.

She will only wear it once etc… etc…

However, I had he sense to not even imagine uttering those words.

Smart man…Years from now she will still be showing off her wedding dress..And who knows..Your daughter may wear it some day

83 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:46:32am

re: #49 deranged cat

hey guys, a Tea Partier just said that she wants to hang Senator Patty Murray! To the people who were getting all up-in-arms about the NH Dem’s comments about Palin.. ARE YOU GUYS OUTRAGED?? YEA??

I am “outraged.” This person is a jerk, and so is the NH Democrat. Your point?

84 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:47:18am

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

tell her to read the ingredients some time… almost all soap products are made of the same 5 or 6 basic ingredients… except for specialize medicated soaps and shampoos, the only difference is what ever “special” ingredient that certain product contains, like aloe or some shit like that… and that special ingredient really doesn’t do squat, just makes you feel like it’s an improvement, or special.

But you see, one smells like lemons, while the other smells like an ocean breeze. Can’t you see the dilema we face?
/

85 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:47:26am

re: #76 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL!
Smart man!

86 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:47:28am

re: #80 ShaunP

Easy there, killer…

Read “Toxic Sludge is Good for You” some day. It’ll piss you off and scare the shit out of you.

87 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:47:29am

OK, love all you guys, but I have to get back to work. I might be on later this evening.

Floral, I sent you mail back.

Be well all and have a super day!

88 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:48:14am

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

Replied, I’m out to.

Later, Lizards!

89 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:48:29am

re: #49 deranged cat

hey guys, a Tea Partier just said that she wants to hang Senator Patty Murray! To the people who were getting all up-in-arms about the NH Dem’s comments about Palin.. ARE YOU GUYS OUTRAGED?? YEA??

That’s from February. This week, their rhetoric has been much more tame.

Rossi has met privately with tea-party groups around the state, and has signed the tea party’s Contract From America. But Dann Selle, a tea-party leader in Spokane, says Rossi retains the “stink of establishment. Didier doesn’t. Didier comes across as down to earth.”

The partisan anger that Didier has tapped was heard at a business round-table lunch in Spokane.

One woman, the owner of two gyms and a temporary-employment agency, was venting about a pro-union bill supported by Murray when she blurted out: “She ought to be shot. Murray and (Sen. Maria) Cantwell ought to be shot.”

90 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:48:49am

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But you see, one smells like lemons, while the other smells like an ocean breeze. Can’t you see the dilema we face?
/

Yes I do… the dilemma I face is I have to stock 30 or 40 different flavors of the same shit.

91 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:49:11am

re: #79 Fozzie Bear

Now that would be a movement that could have real results: Americans refusing to buy branded groceries, en masse, only generics. I guess people don’t think about it, but it is akin to paying a self-imposed tax for absolutely NO benefit. It’s just financing the jobs of people who produce nothing, add nothing to society, and contribute nothing useful. Marketing firms are economic leeches.

I may be a rube, but nothing but Charmin for me thanks.

92 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:49:28am

I don’t drink tap water…Who knows what crap is in tap..
In fact I give my dog Fiji water..
/Don’t be hating! LOL

93 cronus  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:49:35am

re: #79 Fozzie Bear

Now that would be a movement that could have real results: Americans refusing to buy branded groceries, en masse, only generics. I guess people don’t think about it, but it is akin to paying a self-imposed tax for absolutely NO benefit. It’s just financing the jobs of people who produce nothing, add nothing to society, and contribute nothing useful. Marketing firms are economic leeches.

So Wal-mart would only sell wal-mart label groceries?

94 jaunte  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:49:53am

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

The marketing problem is to convince your customers they’re better off with the one you choose for them.

95 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:50:00am

Showcase Afghan Army Mission Turns to Debacle

KABUL, Afghanistan — An ambitious military operation that Afghan officials had expected to be a sign of their growing military capacity instead turned into an embarrassment, with Taliban forces battering an Afghan battalion in a remote northeast area for the last week.

The fighting has been so intense that the Red Cross has been unable to reach the battlefield to remove dead and wounded.

The operation, east of Kabul, was not initially coordinated with NATO forces, but the Afghans called for help after 10 of their soldiers were killed and perhaps twice as many captured at the opening of their operation nine days ago, and American and French NATO forces poured in to the area.

“There are a lot of lessons to be learned here,” said a senior American military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity about the debacle. “How they started that and why they started that.” He said there had been no public statements on the battle because of the need for confidentiality during a rescue mission.

96 Winny Spencer  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:50:04am

OT, but on the topic of bigotry:

I think I need to get some air. I just read that the detestable, despicable “Shrieking Harpy” openly defends the totalitarian socialist Milosevic-regime and denies the genocide of Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica.

An interesting position to take for someone who supposedly deplores socialism and “loves Muslims”. A ruthless and exuberant Stalinist (truly and not of the far right’s imagined Obama-variety) dictatorship slaughtered innocent Muslims in what was, and still is, a modern and secular society where true separation between mosque and state existed. And she sides with the murderers. She is not “anti-jihad” or even anti-Islam, she just hates muslims, no matter how secular, no matter how moderate.

It’s on her site in a post from yesterday. A long diatribe about the evils of the UN, the NATO-intervention and, of course, Bosnian Muslims.

97 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:50:58am

re: #82 HoosierHoops

Smart man…Years from now she will still be showing off her wedding dress..And who knows..Your daughter may wear it some day

Actually, even though every woman I have ever met talks about a daughter wearing the dress, I have, in the twenty or so weddings, I have been invited to or a groomsman of or a best man etc… never seen a woman wear her mother’s or her grand mother’s dress.

The principle I follow here is that baby wants, baby gets. It’s also really sweet that she would want it to have as something sentimental. Perhaps she takes it out of the closet every so many years and looks at it. That is certainly sweet to think she would do so and still be happy being stuck with me some years from now.

98 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:51:43am

re: #76 LudwigVanQuixote

A respectful word to the wise. When it comes to certain expenses, it is much better for peace of the house to let the woman feel pretty (even if the brand name makes no actual difference).

Miss. S and I had a conversation about wedding dresses. Now, in the back of my mind, I thought, why not rent one rather than spend a thousand dollars on one. I am certainly going to rent the tux or tails or whatever she decides to let me choose without vetoing it.

She will only wear it once etc… etc…

However, I had he sense to not even imagine uttering those words.

Of course you rent the wedding gown! New York is full of Hachnosas Kallah gemach’s (Bridal loan societies) that are full of gorgeous wedding gowns, and also gown for the sisters, mothers, etc.

Although I bought the gown for my son’s wedding at a little Armenian bridal shop down the road for $350. They even did the alterations for free.

99 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:51:56am

re: #94 jaunte

The marketing problem is to convince your customers they’re better off with the one you choose for them.

It’s all a bunch of bullshit. When I was in Warsaw in 2004, I saw only one brand of deodorant in a supermarket. ANd when someone purchased it, they had to bring it back the next day so another customer could purchase it.

100 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:52:41am

re: #86 Fozzie Bear

Read “Toxic Sludge is Good for You” some day. It’ll piss you off and scare the shit out of you.

Is it along the same lines as that movie “Thank you for Smoking?”

101 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:52:43am

I stood in front of the toothpaste displayed at Wal Mart once and wondered just how much more efficient things would be if everyone would just agree to one kind of toothpaste. Why, it would be sooo efficient, we could be—-China.

Read Virginia Postrel on how we benefit from a wide variety of choices. And how it makes things more efficient.

102 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:52:50am

re: #98 Alouette

Of course you rent the wedding gown! New York is full of Hachnosas Kallah gemach’s (Bridal loan societies) that are full of gorgeous wedding gowns, and also gown for the sisters, mothers, etc.

Although I bought the gown for my son’s wedding at a little Armenian bridal shop down the road for $350. They even did the alterations for free.

I am with you on that. I hear you. She, who must be obeyed, feels differently.

103 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:52:51am

re: #98 Alouette

Of course you rent the wedding gown! New York is full of Hachnosas Kallah gemach’s (Bridal loan societies) that are full of gorgeous wedding gowns, and also gown for the sisters, mothers, etc.

Although I bought the gown for my son’s wedding at a little Armenian bridal shop down the road for $350. They even did the alterations for free.

I’ll bet your son looked lovely. // :)

104 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:53:45am

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, even though every woman I have ever met talks about a daughter wearing the dress, I have, in the twenty or so weddings, I have been invited to or a groomsman of or a best man etc… never seen a woman wear her mother’s or her grand mother’s dress.

Because styles change. DUH!

I actually still have my wedding gown that I wore 39 years ago (no it does NOT fit me any more) but when I suggested that my daughters wear it they were all like EWWW.

105 jaunte  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:53:51am

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

Some toothpaste makers are confusing their customers with all the variety, so they’re bringing out versions that do everything again.

106 jaunte  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:54:50am

re: #105 jaunte

Should have said “claim to do everything.”

107 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:55:04am

re: #103 darthstar

I’ll bet your son looked lovely. // :)

He looked fabulous!

Here’s a picture. :)

108 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:55:47am

re: #105 jaunte

Some toothpaste makers are confusing their customers with all the variety, so they’re bringing out versions that do everything again.

Don’t start me on the toothpaste.

109 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:56:13am

Prop 8 news is supposed to be announced before noon, so any minute now.

110 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:56:24am

re: #100 publicityStunted

Is it along the same lines as that movie “Thank you for Smoking?”

Sort of, but alot scarier.

111 ShaunP  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:56:34am

re: #86 Fozzie Bear

Read “Toxic Sludge is Good for You” some day. It’ll piss you off and scare the shit out of you.

I’m not saying that there aren’t shitty marketers out there, or that most marketing isn’t just fluff. What I am saying, as someone that works in marketing and raises millions of dollars for charities around the country, is that not all marketing is about selling toxic sludge…

112 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:56:38am

re: #104 Alouette

Because styles change. DUH!

I actually still have my wedding gown that I wore 39 years ago (no it does NOT fit me any more) but when I suggested that my daughters wear it they were all like EWWW.

:) I do adore you so much Alouette.

113 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:56:43am

re: #107 Alouette

He looked fabulous!

Here’s a picture. :)

What a handsome couple..You must be very proud…

114 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:56:51am

re: #101 wrenchwench

Read Virginia Postrel on how we benefit from a wide variety of choices. And how it makes things more efficient.

The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less

Who woulda thunk it? Here we are, in the early years of the twenty-first century, being driven bonkers by the staggering array of consumer goods from which we must choose. Choosing something as (seemingly) simple as shampoo can force us to wade through dozens, even hundreds, of brands. We are, the author suggests, overwhelmed by choice, and that’s not such a good thing. Schwartz tells us that constantly being asked to make choices, even about the simplest things, forces us to “invest time, energy, and no small amount of self-doubt, and dread.” There comes a point, he contends, at which choice becomes debilitating rather than liberating. Did I make the right choice? Can I ever make the right choice? It would be easy to write off this book as merely an extended riff on that well-worn phrase “too much of a good thing,” but that would be a mistake. Despite a tendency toward highfalutin language (“the counterfactuals we construct can be tilted upward”), Schwartz has plenty of insightful things to say here about the perils of everyday life.

115 deranged cat  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:56:56am

re: #89 darthstar

oof, sorry for the error, and thanks for the correction! Indeed, saying she should be shot is much tamer. but regardless, OUTRAGE! RABBLE!

116 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:57:25am

re: #107 Alouette

He looked fabulous!

Here’s a picture. :)

The bride’s gown looks timeless and reusable. :)

117 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:57:57am

re: #104 Alouette

Because styles change. DUH!

I actually still have my wedding gown that I wore 39 years ago (no it does NOT fit me any more) but when I suggested that my daughters wear it they were all like EWWW.

This is my wife’s gown from last year…she had it made by this gal in Seattle

Oh, and our first anniversary is only a little over a week away!

118 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:58:26am

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Prop 8 news is supposed to be announced before noon, so any minute now.

I hope the judge lifts the stay.

119 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:58:29am

re: #107 Alouette

He looked fabulous!

Here’s a picture. :)

He looks like a very kind and good man. His bride is lovely. You look good too! Mazel Tov!

120 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:59:15am

re: #117 darthstar

This is my wife’s gown from last year…she had it made by this gal in Seattle

Oh, and our first anniversary is only a little over a week away!

She is lovely! Mazel Tov to you too!

121 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:59:55am

The Jewish faith has produced some of the world’s greatest beards.

122 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 11:59:56am

re: #118 darthstar

I hope the judge lifts the stay.

Same here. His decision was very clear and straightforward intially. I dont see any benefit to keeping the stay in place.

123 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:00:13pm

OK now I mean it. I really have to get out of here. Peace out!

124 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:00:22pm

re: #98 Alouette

re: #102 LudwigVanQuixote

The best advice I have ever heard for the groom and his family is for all of them, at all times during the planning of the wedding and reception, to simply keep nodding and saying “Yes, fine, that’s great”.

125 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:00:29pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

The bride’s gown looks timeless and reusable. :)

She rented it from a Bridal Loan Society.

BTW the outfit that I am wearing in this picture, I bought at Macy’s for $150. The gown I had made the year before, was not in season for a summer wedding.

126 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:01:26pm

Quick drive-by: This fairly sloppy poll, featured on Wonkette, has one telling number. The number of Americans locked into terminal ODS is the ever-popular 21%. That’s the number that want Basil Marceaux over Obama for president in 2010. (Note—PDF file.)

[Link: www.publicpolicypolling.com…]

127 sagehen  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:01:46pm

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, even though every woman I have ever met talks about a daughter wearing the dress, I have, in the twenty or so weddings, I have been invited to or a groomsman of or a best man etc… never seen a woman wear her mother’s or her grand mother’s dress.

The principle I follow here is that baby wants, baby gets. It’s also really sweet that she would want it to have as something sentimental. Perhaps she takes it out of the closet every so many years and looks at it. That is certainly sweet to think she would do so and still be happy being stuck with me some years from now.

As a bonus, if you can persuade her to wear it for your anniversary every year, she’ll remain the same size forever…

128 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:02:00pm

re: #111 ShaunP

I’m not saying that there aren’t shitty marketers out there, or that most marketing isn’t just fluff. What I am saying, as someone that works in marketing and raises millions of dollars for charities around the country, is that not all marketing is about selling toxic sludge…

Of course. Convincing somebody that brand A of soap is better than brand B isn’t the same thing as using PR (propaganda) techniques to squash a scandal. But what’s frightening is that the techniques are the same.

People in a capitalist democratic republic need to know as much as possible about how these things work, imo.

129 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:02:24pm

re: #119 LudwigVanQuixote

He looks like a very kind and good man. His bride is lovely. You look good too! Mazel Tov!

And here he is in his IDF uniform.

130 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:02:29pm

re: #121 Fozzie Bear

The Jewish faith has produced some of the world’s greatest beards.

I don’t know if that is faith or genetics. I do know that from clean shaven to fully grown in beard (not long, but fully grown in) takes me a little less than month.

131 sagehen  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:03:23pm

re: #98 Alouette

Of course you rent the wedding gown! New York is full of Hachnosas Kallah gemach’s (Bridal loan societies) that are full of gorgeous wedding gowns, and also gown for the sisters, mothers, etc.

Although I bought the gown for my son’s wedding at a little Armenian bridal shop down the road for $350. They even did the alterations for free.

Or you could just go to David’s Bridal on their annual $99 Day

132 deranged cat  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:04:10pm

ahhhh holy crap! this trailer was ridiculous! Bioshock Infinite

133 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:04:15pm

re: #114 publicityStunted

The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less

Darn you! Now I have to find the Postrel quote to counter that one.

134 Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:04:37pm

Then there are folks purchasing SEA SALT rather than normal salt. When I lived in San Francisco practically all the Morton, Leslie, Safeway etc salt was from evaporation ponds filled with sea (SF Bay) water.

135 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:04:48pm

re: #124 Spare O’Lake

re: #102 LudwigVanQuixote

The best advice I have ever heard for the groom and his family is for all of them, at all times during the planning of the wedding and reception, to simply keep nodding and saying “Yes, fine, that’s great”.

That is about right.

The three times I have been a best man, I have given the following advice to the groom:

Your job consists of three things and three things only. Attempting to do more will cause injury and doing less will cause death.

They are:

1. Show up on time.
2. Be presentable.
3. Say “yes.”

136 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:04:48pm

Just popping in to leave an update:

Israeli ‘serial killer’ described as ‘bulky, frightening character’

Ramla’s Christian community members describe Abuelazam as ‘character you don’t want to mess with,’ say he sometimes used drugs, returned to US after getting into violent brawl with friend

[…]

Sounds lie a an all-around creepy character.

More on his background at [Link: www.haaretz.com…]

137 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:05:22pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

I don’t know if that is faith or genetics. I do know that from clean shaven to fully grown in beard (not long, but fully grown in) takes me a little less than month.

After 8 years in the Marines, I can’t go more than 2 or 3 days without shaving. Any longer and I just feel like a dirty hippy.

138 cronus  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:05:27pm

re: #114 publicityStunted

I bet there are numerous societies who would happily contend with too much selection for consumer goods even if it does constitute a “peril of everyday life.”

139 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:05:30pm

re: #134 Bear

Then there are folks purchasing SEA SALT rather than normal salt. When I lived in San Francisco practically all the Morton, Leslie, Safeway etc salt was from evaporation ponds filled with sea (SF Bay) water.

yup..Right out of Vallejo

140 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:06:10pm

re: #79 Fozzie Bear

Now that would be a movement that could have real results: Americans refusing to buy branded groceries, en masse, only generics. I guess people don’t think about it, but it is akin to paying a self-imposed tax for absolutely NO benefit. It’s just financing the jobs of people who produce nothing, add nothing to society, and contribute nothing useful. Marketing firms are economic leeches.

You think Wal-Mart brand flour is the same as King Arthur? Or Red Mill? What kind of farming practices went into creating Sure-Is-White White Flour? Dawn is the same shit as Kroger grocery house brand? Pampers is Huggies is K-Mart brand? Don’t think so.

Look, I’m not going to defend consumer product giants, I’ve seen enough consumer product research to know what goes on in most labs. And even though my wife works at one in marketing R&D, I won’t bother telling you about the product her company, a colossal consumer giant behemoth monstrosity, developed that can clarify and purify water and how she’s working in Kenya and Nigeria with NGO’s to find ways to bring clean water to 3rd world mothers and babies in bush villages, I also won’t tell you abouth the recent technology she helped develop that may one day reduce the incredible, non compostable land fill mass of disposable diapers.

We could talk about the amount of time and money that is spent in developing sustainable practices in manufacturing and ingredient sourcing. Because, you know, the shit that goes into what ever band of shampoo you buy has to come from somewhere.

141 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:06:17pm

OK now I really mean it! Peace out!

142 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:07:07pm

re: #135 LudwigVanQuixote

That is about right.

The three times I have been a best man, I have given the following advice to the groom:

Your job consists of three things and three things only. Attempting to do more will cause injury and doing less will cause death.

They are:

1. Show up on time.
2. Be presentable.
3. Say “yes.”

I was told marriage isn’t a 50/50 thing.. Give a 100% or don’t bother

143 jaunte  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:07:18pm

re: #114 publicityStunted

The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less

It is relaxing to have fewer things to keep up with. I think most people take a lifetime to discover that.

144 sagehen  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:07:50pm

re: #129 Alouette

And here he is in his IDF uniform.

How very pinchable he is.

145 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:07:59pm

re: #114 publicityStunted

The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less

Here’s the opposite view:

… Take grocery shopping. The typical supermarket today stocks 40,000 different items, twice as many as 10 or 15 years ago. You no longer have to shop at specialty stores, live in a big city, or travel the world to eat things like mangos, arugula, or edamame.

There’s been a variety revolution. And now we have a new definition of quality—finding the perfect fit.

I recently went shopping for a bathroom faucet set. There were hundreds. Ten years ago, I would have been impressed with 20. The more I looked, the pickier I got. This faucet was beautiful, but the handles were too bulbous. Those handles were nice and sleek, but the faucet looked like a glorified pipe.

Then, just as I was about to settle for second best, I found the perfect combination—a gracefully curved faucet with simple cylindrical handles. Somewhere out there was a designer whose imagination matched my own. I was thrilled.

And here’s where the variety revolution collides with conventional economic statistics.

To buy that perfect set, I would have happily paid about 25 percent more than the price tag. But I didn’t have to.

That 25 percent savings is what economists call “consumer surplus.” It’s the value that consumers get for free—the difference between the actual price of a good and what they would have been willing to pay.

By giving us exactly what we want without charging extra, the variety revolution generates a lot of this hidden value. Thanks to greater choice, we can live better on the same income.

But variety’s benefits are hard to measure, because they exist only in our heads, not in accounting records. In official statistics, the standard of living looks more stagnant than it really is.

Economists have recently estimated just a few examples of the value consumers are getting from greater variety. The numbers are enormous: A whopping $280 billion a year just from imported goods. A billion dollars a year just from the obscure books on Amazon.com. These huge gains include only a tiny sliver of the whole economy.

By catering to our individuality, the variety revolution has made us richer. For now, however, you won’t find those improvements in the official statistics. To them, coffee is coffee, and when you’ve seen one faucet, you’ve seen them all.

146 deranged cat  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:08:19pm

re: #134 Bear

then there are people who buy gourmet salts

147 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:08:48pm

BTW, congrats on the anniversary, Alouette. ;o)

*ducks back out*

148 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:09:11pm

re: #132 deranged cat

ahhh holy crap! this trailer was ridiculous! Bioshock Infinite

I looks cool but I never even finished the first bioshock and didn’t bother to buy the second. Nice games but I just can’t be bothered with running down hallways. I’ve been doing that since Doom. If it’s not an open world I can’t be bothered.

149 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:10:18pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

I looks cool but I never even finished the first bioshock and didn’t bother to buy the second. Nice games but I just can’t be bothered with running down hallways. I’ve been doing that since Doom. If it’s not an open world I can’t be bothered.

I just started playing Dragon Age a few weeks ago. Thats been fun.

150 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:10:46pm

re: #142 HoosierHoops

I was told marriage isn’t a 50/50 thing.. Give a 100% or don’t bother

In modern Jewish weddings the cost is 50/50 but the bride gets 100% of what her mother wants.

151 allegro  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:12:13pm

I guess I’m either really cheap or really picky… or both. I discovered a number of years ago that I can purchase a gallon of excellent quality bath gel/shampoo for about $15 and fragrance it with whatever I’m in the mood for with pure essential oils. Spend a fraction of even the cheapest crap on the shelves and get a superior, totally personalized product. I make my own lotions as well.

152 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:13:02pm

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I just started playing Dragon Age a few weeks ago. Thats been fun.

I stopped buying games a while ago. Money is tight and most of them just aren’t interesting enough for me to finish. I’ll buy Portal 2 and Red Dead redemption when it comes out for pc but I’m pretty picky when it comes to games these days.

153 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:13:19pm

re: #151 allegro

I guess I’m either really cheap or really picky… or both. I discovered a number of years ago that I can purchase a gallon of excellent quality bath gel/shampoo for about $15 and fragrance it with whatever I’m in the mood for with pure essential oils. Spend a fraction of even the cheapest crap on the shelves and get a superior, totally personalized product. I make my own lotions as well.

Well good for you. I bake my own bread, but most people prefer to buy theirs at the supermarket or at a bakery.

154 sagehen  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:13:28pm

re: #150 Spare O’Lake

In modern Jewish weddings the cost is 50/50 but the bride gets 100% of what her mother wants.

Not in my family; both our brides (one a convert, the other a shiksa) had mothers who wanted them to marry Christians.

155 jaunte  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:14:09pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

By giving us exactly what we want without charging extra, the variety revolution generates a lot of this hidden value. Thanks to greater choice, we can live better on the same income.

But variety’s benefits are hard to measure, because they exist only in our heads, not in accounting records.


Interesting. Thanks for posting. I guess the variety concept is easier to get if you look at an entertainment product like films or games, rather than faucets or toothpaste.

156 Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:14:36pm

re: #146 deranged cat

Haven’t seen that one yet.
I would not be shocked now days to watch the containers coming off the filling line having different labels though filled with the same bulk product as I saw many years ago.

157 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:15:10pm

re: #150 Spare O’Lake

In modern Jewish weddings the cost is 50/50 but the bride gets 100% of what her mother wants.

I’ve married off 2 daughters and 5 sons. The groom’s family pays FLOP (Flowers, Liquor, Orchestra, Photography)

158 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:15:13pm

This is great news for John McCain…

Less than a year ago, top Republican Party officials boasted of an all-star lineup of experienced candidates poised to breeze through their Senate primary elections and put the hurt on vulnerable Democrats in November. The roster included Charlie Crist in Florida, Jane Norton in Colorado, Trey Grayson in Kentucky, Rob Simmons in Connecticut and Sue Lowden in Nevada.

After Tuesday’s primary votes, not one member of the dream team will be the Republican nominee in November.

When the moonie times is seeing the writing on the wall, then you know this won’t be a stellar year for the GOP.

159 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:17:08pm

re: #156 Bear

Haven’t seen that one yet.
I would not be shocked now days to watch the containers coming off the filling line having different labels though filled with the same bulk product as I saw many years ago.

Mr. w used to work in a cannery. It’s true that they change the labels as the line is running, but it’s also true that the generic and house brand labels are the ones that get put on the last runs of the day when they’re using the tomatoes from the bottom of the truck that are all warm and squishy.

160 jaunte  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:17:14pm

Granddad was happy under the porch with just one flavor of whiskey.

161 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:17:45pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I stopped buying games a while ago. Money is tight and most of them just aren’t interesting enough for me to finish. I’ll buy Portal 2 and Red Dead redemption when it comes out for pc but I’m pretty picky when it comes to games these days.

I’ve got a set “entertainment” budget per month. Sometimes, I set it asided for 3-4 months to get a new game or something big.

162 ShaunP  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:19:20pm

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’ve got a set “entertainment” budget per month. Sometimes, I set it asided for 3-4 months to get a new game or something big.

Gamefly ftw…

163 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:19:34pm

re: #154 sagehen

Not in my family; both our brides (one a convert, the other a shiksa) had mothers who wanted them to marry Christians.

Heh, yes, there is the intermarriage exception. Although once the engagement is on they still usually manage to work their magic in the background.
(I love all in-laws)

164 tradewind  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:20:30pm

News reports can be so selective:
For example, the ’ Israeli serial killer suspect ’ arrested at the ATL airport is all over the news, but you really, really have to look hard to realize that while technically an Israeli citizen, he’s actually a Palestinian arab, who’s here illegally on an expired visa.
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
His ties to Flint, MI might have been one clue./

165 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:21:25pm

re: #159 wrenchwench

Mr. w used to work in a cannery. It’s true that they change the labels as the line is running, but it’s also true that the generic and house brand labels are the ones that get put on the last runs of the day when they’re using the tomatoes from the bottom of the truck that are all warm and squishy.

Worked my way through college on a refrigerator assembly line. The main difference between our mid-grade GE and our mid-grade Hotpoint was a 10-20% increase in the speed of the conveyors.

166 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:22:08pm

re: #164 tradewind

while technically an Israeli citizen, he’s actually a Palestinian arab

They allow Arabs to be citizens in Israel. I don’t think they refer to it as a “technicality”.

167 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:22:10pm

re: #157 Alouette

I’ve married off 2 daughters and 5 sons. The groom’s family pays FLOP (Flowers, Liquor, Orchestra, Photography)

That’s pretty much passe in Toronto, from what I’ve seen. Maybe Orthodox is still more along those lines.

168 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:22:22pm

re: #164 tradewind

News reports can be so selective:
For example, the ’ Israeli serial killer suspect ’ arrested at the ATL airport is all over the news, but you really, really have to look hard to realize that while technically an Israeli citizen, he’s actually a Palestinian arab, who’s here illegally on an expired visa.
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
His ties to Flint, MI might have been one clue./

But you don’t have to look very hard at all to find people who are trying to make this individual nutbag emblematic of some “larger trend”.

169 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:22:24pm

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yahtzee likes Shadow of the Colossus.

170 cronus  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:22:25pm

Ok,, I will give the branding/marketing critics on the thread this one. The 100 different flavors of Whirlpool appliances is kind of BS.

Whirlpool: Other Brands

171 tradewind  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:23:33pm

re: #168 Fozzie Bear
You mean the headline editors, who were hoping for a ’ Zionists Gone Wild ’ theme?/

172 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:24:45pm

re: #170 cronus

Ok,, I will give the branding/marketing critics on the thread this one. The 100 different flavors of Whirlpool appliances is kind of BS.

Whirlpool: Other Brands

Aren’t most Flat Screens made by one Company? I think LG

173 Kragar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:24:59pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Yahtzee likes Shadow of the Colossus.

I’m waiting for Dark Millenium and Fallout: New Vegas.

174 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:25:03pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Worked my way through college on a refrigerator assembly line. The main difference between our mid-grade GE and our mid-grade Hotpoint was a 10-20% increase in the speed of the conveyors.

One of the benefits of making stuff in our own country is being able to keep an eye on ‘em. :)

175 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:25:08pm

re: #157 Alouette

I’ve married off 2 daughters and 5 sons. The groom’s family pays FLOP (Flowers, Liquor, Orchestra, Photography)

I’m hiring you as the wedding consultant for my son’s wedding, OK? Oh wait…I don’t get to choose the planner either…never mind.

176 tradewind  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:26:10pm

re: #134 Bear
Sea salt from the ocean is actually much healthier…. has a lower sodium content and lots of good trace minerals.
But you have to look to see where it originated.

177 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:27:42pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

One of the benefits of making stuff in our own country is being able to keep an eye on ‘em. :)

Our plant in the ’60s had about 20 thousand workers. When I last heard, it had 6,000. Much of that was technology, the rest offshoring.

178 sagehen  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:28:10pm

re: #157 Alouette

I’ve married off 2 daughters and 5 sons. The groom’s family pays FLOP (Flowers, Liquor, Orchestra, Photography)

Since my brothers were both over 30, practicing physicians, already living with the fiancees, and already had joint checking accounts, the couples paid for everything. The brides’ parents paid for nothing, I think my dad might have tipped the rabbi. I was pleased that the impending sisters-in-law allowed me to choose the bridesmaid dresses.

179 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:28:47pm

re: #164 tradewind

News reports can be so selective:
For example, the ’ Israeli serial killer suspect ’ arrested at the ATL airport is all over the news, but you really, really have to look hard to realize that while technically an Israeli citizen, he’s actually a Palestinian arab, who’s here illegally on an expired visa.
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
His ties to Flint, MI might have been one clue./

He’s also Catholic, apparently…don’t leave that part out.

180 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:29:02pm

re: #179 darthstar

He’s also Catholic, apparently…don’t leave that part out.

Not that it fucking matters, mind you…

181 tradewind  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:29:22pm

re: #166 wrenchwench
Thanks for clearing up that technical detail.
Doesn’t change the intent of the headline, IMO.

182 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:29:39pm

re: #176 tradewind

Sea salt from the ocean is actually much healthier… has a lower sodium content and lots of good trace minerals.
But you have to look to see where it originated.

I don’t eat Salt either..Hate it…To say I’m a picky eater is an understatement.
It’s my curse in life.. I went to the most bad ass salad bar at lunch today..I think perhaps the best I have ever been to…

183 RadicalModerate  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:29:41pm

re: #164 tradewind

News reports can be so selective:
For example, the ’ Israeli serial killer suspect ’ arrested at the ATL airport is all over the news, but you really, really have to look hard to realize that while technically an Israeli citizen, he’s actually a Palestinian arab, who’s here illegally on an expired visa.
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
His ties to Flint, MI might have been one clue./

Where do you get “Palestinian Arab” from? The JPost article you cited doesn’t indicate that. All they about his ethnicity is this:


Abuelazam was reported to be a Christian man from Ramle, where he lived with his divorced mother and several uncles.

Actually, I think I see where you are getting it from - Debbie Schlussel, and is being repeated ad nauseum at the fever swamp.

184 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:29:48pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

I can see both points of view. I don’t think the “Paradox of Choice” author is arguing for no choice at all, just that there’s an optimum range (he gave an example in his book of a jam-tasting counter, and how the one that offered 6 choices was more likely to result in a purchase than one that offered 20, because the higher number was overwhelming and people just couldn’t make up their minds).

To use the same faucet example from your excerpt, what if the woman *hadn’t* found one exactly like what she wanted? Or, it was there but she didn’t have time to keep looking until she found it? That’s where the dissatisfaction/distress comes in, where you’re constantly wondering if the “one magic whatever” is out there and you’ve missed it.

Speaking for myself, I really appreciate any kind of aid that lets you narrow down a selection and get a manageable list of options…

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:30:03pm

re: #4 louis

How did that last tour turn out?

Are you really going to fault the man for not being able to personally fix one of the major conflicts of the 21st century with a microphone?

186 tradewind  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:30:08pm

re: #179 darthstar
Apparently?
Or actually?

187 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:30:23pm

re: #181 tradewind

Thanks for clearing up that technical detail.
Doesn’t change the intent of the headline, IMO.

Is he not Israeli?

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:31:15pm

re: #22 Dreggas

Always said when republicans screamed flip-flopper about Kerry they were projecting.

I think they just got into the sound of the words.

189 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:31:25pm

re: #187 Fozzie Bear

I’m not getting how it matters what religion he is, where he is from, and I’m not seeing how anybody is making a big deal out of it, really.

190 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:31:46pm

re: #181 tradewind

Thanks for clearing up that technical detail.
Doesn’t change the intent of the headline, IMO.

What was the intent of the headline? You put the scare quotes in the wrong place.

191 Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:32:33pm

re: #176 tradewind

Granted that salt “made” from ocean, bay water will differ in trace elements from salt produced from mines as that from the salt domes or from other salt deposits. I have not read the labels to see if the location from which the salt was produced is indicated. If the label does that would be interesting to read.

192 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:33:18pm

re: #184 publicityStunted

Speaking for myself, I really appreciate any kind of aid that lets you narrow down a selection and get a manageable list of options…

That’s called a salesperson.

/salesperson signing off, getting back to work….

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:34:55pm

re: #49 deranged cat

hey guys, a Tea Partier just said that she wants to hang Senator Patty Murray! To the people who were getting all up-in-arms about the NH Dem’s comments about Palin.. ARE YOU GUYS OUTRAGED?? YEA??

That was back in February, which is not to say that it’s not still upsetting.

I believe at the time many lizards were outraged, and others felt it was just rhetoric.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:40:03pm

re: #96 Winny Spencer

OT, but on the topic of bigotry:

I think I need to get some air. I just read that the detestable, despicable “Shrieking Harpy” openly defends the totalitarian socialist Milosevic-regime and denies the genocide of Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica.

An interesting position to take for someone who supposedly deplores socialism and “loves Muslims”. A ruthless and exuberant Stalinist (truly and not of the far right’s imagined Obama-variety) dictatorship slaughtered innocent Muslims in what was, and still is, a modern and secular society where true separation between mosque and state existed. And she sides with the murderers. She is not “anti-jihad” or even anti-Islam, she just hates muslims, no matter how secular, no matter how moderate.

It’s on her site in a post from yesterday. A long diatribe about the evils of the UN, the NATO-intervention and, of course, Bosnian Muslims.

Yeah. The Crazytown Wing of the anti-Jihad movement has entirely adopted the attempted genocide of the Bosnians as a great idea.

The evil is pretty intense.

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:41:29pm

re: #98 Alouette

Of course you rent the wedding gown! New York is full of Hachnosas Kallah gemach’s (Bridal loan societies) that are full of gorgeous wedding gowns, and also gown for the sisters, mothers, etc.

Although I bought the gown for my son’s wedding at a little Armenian bridal shop down the road for $350. They even did the alterations for free.

I bought one, for less than $300, mostly because we don’t have a gemach in the area. But it’s all down to what the bride wants.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:42:16pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Prop 8 news is supposed to be announced before noon, so any minute now.

I have a bridesmaid’s gown riding on this one…

197 blueraven  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:42:17pm

re: #183 RadicalModerate

Where do you get “Palestinian Arab” from? The JPost article you cited doesn’t indicate that. All they about his ethnicity is this:

Actually, I think I see where you are getting it from - Debbie Schlussel, and is being repeated ad nauseum at the fever swamp.

Strange to make that statement and then link to an article that says no such thing.
TW being disingenuous…say it aint so.//

198 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:42:41pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

That was back in February, which is not to say that it’s not still upsetting.

I believe at the time many lizards were outraged, and others felt it was just rhetoric.

I pointed that out earlier. There was a teabagger who said she should be “shot” this week, but the hanging comment is eight months old.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:44:36pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

I don’t know if that is faith or genetics. I do know that from clean shaven to fully grown in beard (not long, but fully grown in) takes me a little less than month.

Mediterranean types.

My husband, OTOH, is very blond and has lots of Cherokee genes. The combination means that he can shave once a week if he feels like it. We’ve agreed that it’s probably best that he not become frum. Or Amish.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:47:15pm

re: #164 tradewind

News reports can be so selective:
For example, the ’ Israeli serial killer suspect ’ arrested at the ATL airport is all over the news, but you really, really have to look hard to realize that while technically an Israeli citizen, he’s actually a Palestinian arab, who’s here illegally on an expired visa.
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
His ties to Flint, MI might have been one clue./

What does ‘technically an Israeli citizen’ mean? He’s an Israeli citizen.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:47:51pm

re: #168 Fozzie Bear

But you don’t have to look very hard at all to find people who are trying to make this individual nutbag emblematic of some “larger trend”.

God willing, he’s not part of a larger trend. The last thing we need is a LOT of serial stabbers.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:49:05pm

re: #186 tradewind

Apparently?
Or actually?

All the sources I’ve seen appear to agree that he’s Catholic. Got a source that says otherwise?

203 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:49:48pm

re: #186 tradewind

Apparently?
Or actually?

According to is ex mother-in-law, he’s Catholic:

Hirth said her daughter and Abuelazam met in Texas while he was visiting cousins who lived there. She said Abuelazam was Catholic.

204 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:49:51pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

God willing, he’s not part of a larger trend. The last thing we need is a LOT of serial stabbers.

That “serial stabber” thing always seemed un-American. Don’t they have a 2nd Amendment in Ramle?

205 tradewind  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:50:32pm

re: #187 Fozzie Bear
He was supposedly traveling on an expired Israeli passport, according to the JPost comments.
My point is that the people commenting on the JPost article, who I assume would be largely people in Israel ( not all), were upset that the media is using the Israeli designation without the qualifier that he is not Jewish.
They read the headline and see in their minds ’ Jewish Serial Killer’.
Yes, we realize that not everyone who is an Israeli citizen is Jewish, but most of the world probably does not, and the Israeli Jews appear sensitive to that.

206 tradewind  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:50:59pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist
Wonder how long it’s been since his last confession?/

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:51:43pm

re: #205 tradewind

He was supposedly traveling on an expired Israeli passport, according to the JPost comments.
My point is that the people commenting on the JPost article, who I assume would be largely people in Israel ( not all), were upset that the media is using the Israeli designation without the qualifier that he is not Jewish.
They read the headline and see in their minds ’ Jewish Serial Killer’.
Yes, we realize that not everyone who is an Israeli citizen is Jewish, but most of the world probably does not, and the Israeli Jews appear sensitive to that.

I’m more sensitive to not labeling Israeli Arabs as ‘technical’ Israelis, but that could just be me.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:52:15pm

re: #206 tradewind

Wonder how long it’s been since his last confession?/

Well, if he decides to get jailhouse religion, I hope the priest has a comfortable chair, and maybe a sandwich.

209 blueraven  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:52:57pm

re: #205 tradewind

He was supposedly traveling on an expired Israeli passport, according to the JPost comments.
My point is that the people commenting on the JPost article, who I assume would be largely people in Israel ( not all), were upset that the media is using the Israeli designation without the qualifier that he is not Jewish.
They read the headline and see in their minds ’ Jewish Serial Killer’.
Yes, we realize that not everyone who is an Israeli citizen is Jewish, but most of the world probably does not, and the Israeli Jews appear sensitive to that.

hahahaha! You are basing your assumptions on the commentors, not the news article. lol!

210 RadicalModerate  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:54:08pm

re: #205 tradewind

He was supposedly traveling on an expired Israeli passport, according to the JPost comments.
My point is that the people commenting on the JPost article, who I assume would be largely people in Israel ( not all), were upset that the media is using the Israeli designation without the qualifier that he is not Jewish.
They read the headline and see in their minds ’ Jewish Serial Killer’.
Yes, we realize that not everyone who is an Israeli citizen is Jewish, but most of the world probably does not, and the Israeli Jews appear sensitive to that.

How about that claim statement you (and Debbie Schlussel) made claiming he’s a Palestinian Arab? Still standing by that one?

211 Amory Blaine  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:54:27pm

re: #151 allegro

I guess I’m either really cheap or really picky… or both. I discovered a number of years ago that I can purchase a gallon of excellent quality bath gel/shampoo for about $15 and fragrance it with whatever I’m in the mood for with pure essential oils. Spend a fraction of even the cheapest crap on the shelves and get a superior, totally personalized product. I make my own lotions as well.

Somewhere there is a gaping barren hole where the trees that make my toilet paper used to live. I’m thinking of getting one of those cheapo bidet seats for the bathroom. They’re like 50 bucks, which we probably spend in 6 months on TP.

212 tradewind  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:55:08pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist
Fine. Strike the ’ technical’.

213 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:56:53pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m more sensitive to not labeling Israeli Arabs as ‘technical’ Israelis, but that could just be me.

According to someone over at Schleussel’s Swamp he’s not even technically a Christian:

Well, nominally, Ag. Elias is NOT a Muslim name. We knew a lovely born again man by that name years ago. Obviously, this guy is not a real christian probably one of the Eastern Churches. Possibly even Catholic.

mk750 on August 12, 2010 at 2:59 pm

214 tradewind  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:57:45pm

re: #210 RadicalModerate
I don’t have to ‘stand by ’ anything. I was reading Israeli’s comments re the suspect, and they were pretty upset. I don’t recognize Debbie slushie, or whoever, certainly don’t read her.
When you find out that he’s not a Palestinian arab, you’re welcome to rub it in all you want.

215 blueraven  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 1:00:36pm

re: #214 tradewind

I don’t have to ‘stand by ’ anything. I was reading Israeli’s comments re the suspect, and they were pretty upset. I don’t recognize Debbie slushie, or whoever, certainly don’t read her.
When you find out that he’s not a Palestinian arab, you’re welcome to rub it in all you want.

Meanwhile, feel free to roam about the Internets spreading rumors.

216 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 1:02:52pm

re: #117 darthstar

217 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 1:11:56pm

I think it’s best not to read comments at news sites. Even the tamest article about the most innocuous of subjects rapidly devolves into a flame war, invoking Godwin’s law by page 4.

218 Amory Blaine  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 1:16:31pm

re: #217 Fozzie Bear

I think it’s best not to read comments at news sites. Even the tamest article about the most innocuous of subjects rapidly devolves into a flame war, invoking Godwin’s law by page 4.

You mean comment 4 ;P

219 darthstar  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 1:18:47pm

re: #205 tradewind


They read the headline and see in their minds ’ Jewish Serial Killer’.

So far, the only people I’ve read who have made the connection between his being Israeli and the possible label of “Jewish Serial Killer” have been people worried that others would make that connection. Maybe you’d be better served not to put ideas into their heads.

220 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 9:38:12pm

re: #121 Fozzie Bear

The Jewish faith has produced some of the world’s greatest beards.

To be fair, also some of the cheesiest. As with the less religious or non-religious, there’s a lot of men out there who try to grow beards but really can’t.


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