World Net Daily’s Back to School Extravaganza

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It’s back to school time, and World Net Daily has a great article full of handy tips on making sure your children remain fully mind-locked, and teaching them how to resist that insidious science stuff liberals are always trying to force on God-fearing patriotic folks.

First and foremost, of course, you’ll need a Bible. Or several. Hey, guess what? World Net Daily just happens to sell Bibles!

It’s back-to-school time, whether your children go to public or private schools or you’re their teacher at home.

Either way, your kids need the essentials of a classical education – one they surely won’t get in a traditional school.

The WND Superstore has many of the essential resources you and your kids need.

It starts with the Bible – and there’s a great selection of low-cost choices.

And of course, along with those Bibles, your fledgling fundamentalist offspring will need lots and lots of Bible study resources to make sure they’re not straying into heresy. And what do you know! World Net Daily just happens to sell those too!

Then there are great Bible study resources.

“But,” I hear you asking, “what about history’s greatest monster, Charles Darwin? We didn’t come from no monkeys!”

Well, have no fear, because Ray “Bananaman” Comfort has a new book that totally lays waste to Darwin’s stupid evolution hoax.

Here’s something your kids won’t get for sure in a traditional school – “Nothing From Everything: The Impossibility of Atheistic Evolution” by Ray Comfort. You don’t want your kids believing they are the products of random chance and millions of years of evolution.

Oh no — we wouldn’t want that, would we?

And would you believe, World Net Daily sells Ray Comfort’s book too? They’re so thoughtful!

Last but not least, don’t forget to make sure little Hezekiah gets a hefty dose of paranoia and a raging persecution complex, from fine books such as:

“Help! Mom! Hollywood’s in My Hamper”

“Help! Mom! There Are Liberals Under My Bed”

“Help! Mom! The 9th Circuit Nabbed the Nativity”

All on sale now at the World Net Daily superstore! Can you afford not to give your children the best indoctrination money can buy?

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331 comments
1 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:13:41pm

I totally thought those books at the end were made up. Damn.

2 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:16:15pm

It makes me sad that perfectly good paper is being wasted on that childish backwards drivel.

3 aurelius  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:20:22pm

"You don't want your kids believing they are the products of random chance and millions of years of evolution."

That's where the fundamentalists are right! Little Malachi didn't come from millions of years of evolution.

'twas a couple billion.

4 Nick Schroeder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:20:41pm

"Ray “Bananaman” Comfort"

That is so awesome.

"Nothing From Everything: The Impossibility of Atheistic Evolution"

One thing I always wonder is if these people have ever left some gunky dishes in the sink for a few days. Or kept bread past its expiration date. And if they have, when they stumble upon the spores in their sink or the blooming penicillin on their bread, do they shriek in horror? Do they recoil, and start yammering in tongues, casting out Ye Vile Darwinist Atheist Bread that clearly demonstrates that Jesus Christ is a fabrication because proteins form organisms?

I imagine their life is one of painful sorrow and insanity.

5 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:22:31pm

Banana Science.

6 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:22:49pm

Look, Ray knows what he's talking about. Its impossible for a species to speciate without both a male and female mutating at the same time in the same way.

The AGW deniers and the evilution deniers have the same problem with anything more complex than picking their noses, they can't logically follow the sequence of events.

7 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:23:07pm

OK I am back.

Small announcement. Looking at the sick stuff the stalkers, Hotair, RSM, PJM, Fox comments etc... routinely post, has honestly colored my view of people too much. I do believe that they are representative of the sickness that is in America. For that they bear watching.

But I am not going to do it anymore. That much concentrated crazy makes you start thinking the world is even more messed up than it is.

It is sufficient to follow the news to see how twisted these creatures are.

I am simply not going to look at them again for quite some time.

8 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:23:12pm

re: #3 aurelius

"You don't want your kids believing they are the products of random chance and millions of years of evolution."

That's where the fundamentalists are right! Little Malachi didn't come from millions of years of evolution.

'twas a couple billion.

HERESY!

The Earth is 5 minutes old. All evidence to the contrary was put there by God to trick us.

9 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:23:55pm

re: #5 BigPapa

Banana Science.

Ever had crocoduck soufflé? Yummy.

10 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:24:04pm
“Help! Mom! Hollywood’s in My Hamper”

“Help! Mom! There Are Liberals Under My Bed”

“Help! Mom! The 9th Circuit Nabbed the Nativity”

Lolwhut

11 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:24:27pm

JESUS!!

12 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:24:50pm

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

OK I am back.

Small announcement. Looking at the sick stuff the stalkers, Hotair, RSM, PJM, Fox comments etc... routinely post, has honestly colored my view of people too much. I do believe that they are representative of the sickness that is in America. For that they bear watching.

But I am not going to do it anymore. That much concentrated crazy makes you start thinking the world is even more messed up than it is.

It is sufficient to follow the news to see how twisted these creatures are.

I am simply not going to look at them again for quite some time.

Smart, healthy decision.

13 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:24:55pm

re: #11 stanley sea

JESUS!!

That's what they want you to say, hun. :)

14 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:25:15pm

re: #11 stanley sea

JESUS!!

Have you tried the mulled wine?

15 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:25:55pm

re: #9 b_sharp

Ever had crocoduck soufflé? Yummy.

Oh hell yes, with BBQ sauce, but the Great White Seagull is divine.

16 theheat  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:26:15pm

More evidence why I will not vote fundie, no matter what. These people are fucking crazy paranoid theocratic haters, breeding more of the same.

This is the future of the GOP. In fact, it's pretty much the GOP right now. It's their mission statement and the reason they get up every morning with a fire in their belly. Fuck 'em.

17 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:27:11pm

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

Truly, I believe if you are looking at negative, you will see negative.
There is too much hate in the world.
Spread the joy.

18 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:27:54pm

If parents want to indoctrinate their kids at home or in the church of their choice with such dogmas, then that is their Constitutional right, i guess.

I just grow concerned when they start taking over public school curricula with such nonsense.

19 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:28:13pm

re: #11 stanley sea

JESUS!!

Sorry, but the kid just stepped out for a minute. Anything I can do for you?

20 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:28:54pm

Do they promote the study of Latin and Greek? Because if they don't, I might be able to make some good book recommendations.

I convinced a moonbat homeschooling mom that her little genius's first foreign language should be Latin. Maybe I can do the same for these guys.

Of course, if I'm designing the curriculum, there will be things slipped in there that the parents might not like. But only in the seventh semester, when the kiddies' reading ability will have surpassed that of the parents.

Let's start with Martial:

Drauci Natta sui vorat pipinnam,
collatus cui gallus est Priapus.

21 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:29:31pm

Wow.
You all should read the descriptions on those books.
XD

22 theheat  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:29:36pm

re: #18 ralphieboy

Then be concerned, because it's already happening. And I'm supposed to worry about Sharia?

23 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:29:38pm
Here's something your kids won't get for sure in a traditional school – "Nothing From Everything: The Impossibility of Atheistic Evolution" by Ray Comfort. You don't want your kids believing they are the products of random chance and millions of years of evolution.

They are also theologically challenged.

Any monotheist will tell you it is an article of faith that God knows the future.

Well... The definition of random, is an event that you could not predict.

But if you already know the future, you know the outcomes of all trials and no event is random - you already predicted it.

Simple question: Is flipping a coin random? As far as you are concerned, getting heads or tails is certainly random. Will a monotheist argue that God didn't know if it was going to be heads or tails? Of course not.

So just as in coin tosses, the measured randomness in evolutionary theory is random to us, but no problem for God, at least as far as any monotheist who knows what the word random actually means is concerned.

To argue otherwise is to limit the knowledge of God, which, is a doctrinal contradiction.

24 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:30:25pm

re: #19 b_sharp

Sorry, but the kid just stepped out for a minute. Anything I can do for you?

Uh, save me from this idiocy? Save me!!!!

25 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:30:46pm

re: #17 Floral Giraffe

Truly, I believe if you are looking at negative, you will see negative.
There is too much hate in the world.
Spread the joy.

Nods: If you are looking at pure negative you will see negatives elsewhere.

26 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:31:02pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

Uh, save me from this idiocy? Save me!!!

You want the other dude.

27 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:33:00pm

Sounds like a guide for black helicopter parents.
There are plenty of anti-superstition resources for teachers, but someone needs to bring them together and produce a specific faculty guide for dealing with these people.

28 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:33:31pm

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

OK I am back.

Small announcement. Looking at the sick stuff the stalkers, Hotair, RSM, PJM, Fox comments etc... routinely post, has honestly colored my view of people too much. I do believe that they are representative of the sickness that is in America. For that they bear watching.

But I am not going to do it anymore. That much concentrated crazy makes you start thinking the world is even more messed up than it is.

It is sufficient to follow the news to see how twisted these creatures are.

I am simply not going to look at them again for quite some time.

I haven't looked at them for months.

True, I know they hate on me every single day, but of what account is that to me?

A good decision. I hope you stick to it.

29 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:34:11pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

Uh, save me from this idiocy? Save me!!!

I'd love to but we outsourced the Eternal Savings Department to FSM some time ago. India I believe. I could make your favourite ball team win a game if you want.

30 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:35:51pm

re: #29 b_sharp

I'd love to but we outsourced the Eternal Savings Department to FSM some time ago. India I believe. I could make your favourite ball team win a game if you want.

Florida Gators. Thank you.

31 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:37:09pm

re: #28 Cato the Elder

I haven't looked at them for months.

True, I know they hate on me every single day, but of what account is that to me?

A good decision. I hope you stick to it.

Yeah I intend to.

Now as far as a more interesting question, is concerned, how do you communicate the very simple argument about randomness not being an issue for God to someone who doesn't know what random is? How can that simple argument be made more bite sized?

32 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:38:03pm

re: #30 Stanley Sea

Florida Gators. Thank you.

Done. It may take a while though, there is quite a line up of people praying for their team to win. But I will do it, promise.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:38:42pm

re: #22 theheat

Then be concerned, because it's already happening. And I'm supposed to worry about Sharia?


Who need Thomas jefferson except his quote about watering the Tree of Freedom with the Second Amendment?

34 Nick Schroeder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:40:38pm

re: #20 Cato the Elder

Do they promote the study of Latin and Greek? Because if they don't, I might be able to make some good book recommendations.

I convinced a moonbat homeschooling mom that her little genius's first foreign language should be Latin. Maybe I can do the same for these guys.

Of course, if I'm designing the curriculum, there will be things slipped in there that the parents might not like. But only in the seventh semester, when the kiddies' reading ability will have surpassed that of the parents.

Let's start with Martial:

Drauci Natta sui vorat pipinnam,
collatus cui gallus est Priapus.

Moonbat comment aside, I pretty much agree. When I was in sixth grade, in ZOMFG EVIL FULL OF EVIL CORRUPT SOCIALIST BROWN PEOPLE BALTIMORE, my language class for the year was Latin. I learned more about the English language in that class than any other English class I took in middle school. When I got to (private, Catholic) high school, I elected to take Latin, and took it all four years. I didn't really learn much about Latin, and I cheated through all five cumulative years of it, but I always paid attention when my (very awesome) teachers would start going off on some tangent about some specific influence on the English language, and eventually I started to pick up on them without the help of the teacher.

/end rambling
//all kids should take at least one year of Latin

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:43:28pm

re: #34 Nick Schroeder


all kids should take at least one year of Latin

But latin is what they use in the Roman Catholic Church, and all Good Americabs know that those Papists are the next plague we will have to contain after we wipe out the threat of Islam.

/

36 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:44:43pm

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

They're dirty, and if you roll in it, you get dirty too.
Ask any decent, family loving man, who is a cop.
Tainted by association.

37 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:46:08pm

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah I intend to.

Now as far as a more interesting question, is concerned, how do you communicate the very simple argument about randomness not being an issue for God to someone who doesn't know what random is? How can that simple argument be made more bite sized?

That, of course, is high theology, something I can appreciate, but not necessarily argue about in ways that a theological hypocretin will understand.

But perhaps something could be done with the concept of a random-numbers generator?

The numbers (or dice throws, or deals of a card deck, or blackjack hands) are truly random to the gamers. But to the generator, they are inevitable as soon as you activate the "generate" function.

Something along those lines?

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:46:45pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

Wow.
You all should read the descriptions on those books.
XD

I feel so loved.

And those kids are going to be such effing whiners when they grow up.

Note to WND: I have sufficient Bibles for my classroom, thank you. They are the Catholic Youth Bible, which does not include any weird whining about Senators Clunkton and Snore taking away the little Baby Jesus.

39 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:48:10pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

Happy start of the school year, to you.
Grateful to hear you've gotten a job.
I hope it's great.

40 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:48:41pm

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah I intend to.

Now as far as a more interesting question, is concerned, how do you communicate the very simple argument about randomness not being an issue for God to someone who doesn't know what random is? How can that simple argument be made more bite sized?

You're not really teaching them anything if you let them continue to believe that the process is random.

41 Nick Schroeder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:50:04pm

re: #35 ralphieboy

But latin is what they use in the Roman Catholic Church, and all Good Americabs know that those Papists are the next plague we will have to contain after we wipe out the threat of Islam.

/

Dominus Nabisco

42 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:54:40pm

re: #34 Nick Schroeder

Why do you object to the "moonbat" appellation?

There are wingnut homeschoolers, and there are moonbat homeschoolers. And there are homeschoolers who are neither wingbats nor moonnuts.

The person in question is indubitably a moonbat. First, she believes that "the universe" is a benevolent force in her life. Second, she is certain that eating locally-grown organic food makes her "better" than people who don't. Third, she has banned all plastic from her house, even toys that her five-year-old son might enjoy, because "plastic is eeevul". Exceptions: her own plastic shit, like her iPhone and her Prius. Fourth, her image as a "greener" is more important to her than the reality. When she and her husband bought the Prius, it was because he drives 500+ miles a week for his job, whist she maybe drives fifty. After a week of that, she decided it was bad for her PR to be driving the big family gas-guzzler, so now she drives the Prius 50 miles a week whilst her husband guzzles gas for 500 and more. Fifth, she thinks all of her good luck, her fancy home, her organic wines, her Prius, and her woolen and silk and cotton clothing, are owing to her special virtue as a "good" person, when in fact her husband earns all the money as a - mortgage banker.

Moonbat.

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:01:29pm

re: #41 Nick Schroeder

Dominus Nabisco


God's chocolate cookies!

44 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:02:00pm

re: #40 JasonA

You're not really teaching them anything if you let them continue to believe that the process is random.

I don't understand your point. If you mean that evolution is not completely random and that selective pressures are active, of course.

However, whether or not a given mutation occurs is still a random event.

45 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:08:07pm

re: #44 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't understand your point. If you mean that evolution is not completely random and that selective pressures are active, of course.

However, whether or not a given mutation occurs is still a random event.

Yeah, but whether or not that mutation survives is not. Which I think is kinda the whole point.

Way past sleepy time over here. Good night, all.

46 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:15:51pm

OT: Before I go... this shit isn't funny anymore.

Republicans See Gains in Governors’ Races as Funding Hits Peak

News Corp., the media company controlled by Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Rupert Murdoch, gave the RGA $1 million in June.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:26:56pm

re: #46 JasonA

OT: Before I go... this shit isn't funny anymore.

Republicans See Gains in Governors’ Races as Funding Hits Peak

Well, it may be Saudi money, but at least it's not 'cultural'.

//Yes, I hold grudges. You got a problem with that? I'll remember that you had a problem with that.

48 Nick Schroeder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:30:46pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

Why do you object to the "moonbat" appellation?

There are wingnut homeschoolers, and there are moonbat homeschoolers. And there are homeschoolers who are neither wingbats nor moonnuts.

The person in question is indubitably a moonbat. First, she believes that "the universe" is a benevolent force in her life. Second, she is certain that eating locally-grown organic food makes her "better" than people who don't. Third, she has banned all plastic from her house, even toys that her five-year-old son might enjoy, because "plastic is eeevul". Exceptions: her own plastic shit, like her iPhone and her Prius. Fourth, her image as a "greener" is more important to her than the reality. When she and her husband bought the Prius, it was because he drives 500+ miles a week for his job, whist she maybe drives fifty. After a week of that, she decided it was bad for her PR to be driving the big family gas-guzzler, so now she drives the Prius 50 miles a week whilst her husband guzzles gas for 500 and more. Fifth, she thinks all of her good luck, her fancy home, her organic wines, her Prius, and her woolen and silk and cotton clothing, are owing to her special virtue as a "good" person, when in fact her husband earns all the money as a - mortgage banker.

Moonbat.

I wasn't trying to argue the fact that there are or aren't 'moonbats'. Although I hate that term a lot because I feel it should apply to ardent sycophants of the Washington Times, I do acknowledge that there are left wing nuts.

However, given the discussion, I'd rather have ten of your no-plastic, energy-conscious, Prius driving 'moonbats' for every one Fundamentalist Christian pumping out End Times crotchfruit like their vagina was a clown car.

No offense or anything. Both extremes are retarded. But let's be honest here, this is a 'Christian nation' and at the moment anyone with any sense has more to fear from the Christians than the ecofags.

49 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:31:44pm

re: #41 Nick Schroeder

Dominus Nabisco

Domino's Nabisco? What is it, a chocolate chip pizza?

Heresy!

50 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:35:54pm

This whole thing really reads like a satire. I know it's not but I guess that shows you how crazy WND is. And I had no idea that the product of a "classical education" were books whining about liberals and Hollywood. My parents are and were proud liberals but they never shoved their beliefs down me and my brother's throats especially when it came to our educations.

51 Nimed  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:38:26pm

re: #45 JasonA

Yeah, but whether or not that mutation survives is not. Which I think is kinda the whole point.

Sometimes it is -- it's called genetic drift. Not everything is selection. We don't know yet if most of it is selection or not.

52 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:39:15pm

re: #48 Nick Schroeder

I wasn't trying to argue the fact that there are or aren't 'moonbats'. Although I hate that term a lot because I feel it should apply to ardent sycophants of the Washington Times, I do acknowledge that there are left wing nuts.

However, given the discussion, I'd rather have ten of your no-plastic, energy-conscious, Prius driving 'moonbats' for every one Fundamentalist Christian pumping out End Times crotchfruit like their vagina was a clown car.

No offense or anything. Both extremes are retarded. But let's be honest here, this is a 'Christian nation' and at the moment anyone with any sense has more to fear from the Christians than the ecofags.

Wait until the ecofags turn into ecofascists.

Coming soon to a leftie enclave near you.

53 freetoken  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:40:19pm

re: #52 Cato the Elder

Wait until the ecofags turn into ecofascists.

Coming soon to a leftie enclave near you.


Did you just do a Jonah Goldberg?

54 Nick Schroeder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:46:14pm

re: #52 Cato the Elder

Wait until the ecofags turn into ecofascists.

Coming soon to a leftie enclave near you.

Meh, I'm a chainsmoking alcoholic atheist conservative. The 'leftie enclave' doesn't scare me as much as the American Taliban. The lefties will charge me a fee for my fun and opinions. It's a fee that I can afford.

The current 'conservative' crop of Republican leaders will ban me from expressing my opinions, make me a pariah in my community, and deny me constitutional rights when it suits them.

55 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:48:31pm

re: #54 Nick Schroeder

Meh, I'm a chainsmoking alcoholic atheist conservative. The 'leftie enclave' doesn't scare me as much as the American Taliban. The lefties will charge me a fee for my fun and opinions. It's a fee that I can afford.

The current 'conservative' crop of Republican leaders will ban me from expressing my opinions, make me a pariah in my community, and deny me constitutional rights when it suits them.

If you're ever in San Francisco, and want to drink and smoke INDOORS, check out the Occidental Cigar Club on Pine St at Kearny St in the downtown district. Since it is owner operated (no employees), they're able to enforce their own rules concerning smoking. Just thought I'd mention that - I've no idea where you reside.

56 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:49:53pm

G'night lizards.

57 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:53:35pm

Honestly, it's reading stuff like this that makes me wary of the homeschooling movement led by my "neighbor", Michael Farris. It's within people's rights to homeschool their kids if they feel their kids should be getting a more religious based education but boy a kid who is brought up like this will be in for a shock in the real world when he finds that Nancy Pelosi doesn't lurk at street corners at night trying to snatch the souls of Christian children or that Ray Comfort is certifiable crazy.

58 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:53:38pm

re: #54 Nick Schroeder

Meh, I'm a chainsmoking alcoholic atheist conservative. The 'leftie enclave' doesn't scare me as much as the American Taliban. The lefties will charge me a fee for my fun and opinions. It's a fee that I can afford.

The current 'conservative' crop of Republican leaders will ban me from expressing my opinions, make me a pariah in my community, and deny me constitutional rights when it suits them.

My constitutional right to drive a Lincoln, chainsmoke, and drink as much as I want would be denied me by ecofascists. And they would turn me into a pariah for agreeing with Penn and Teller that recycling is feel-good bullshit.

I'll take none from Column A and none from Column B, thank you very much.

59 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:57:25pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Honestly, it's reading stuff like this that makes me wary of the homeschooling movement led by my "neighbor", Michael Farris. It's within people's rights to homeschool their kids if they feel their kids should be getting a more religious based education but boy a kid who is brought up like this will be in for a shock in the real world when he finds that Nancy Pelosi doesn't lurk at street corners at night trying to snatch the souls of Christian children or that Ray Comfort is certifiable crazy.

Wait till you see the shock on my moonbat homeschooler's son's face when he goes out into the world and realizes that everyone but him uses plastic products without thinking twice about it, and drinks non-organic wine, and eats meat, and that not everyone can afford to live on a little island community of moonbats with spectacular views of Mount Rainier.

Reminds me of a Roald Dahl story, actually. Can anyone guess which one?

60 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:59:29pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder

Wait till you see the shock on my moonbat homeschooler's son's face when he goes out into the world and realizes that everyone but him uses plastic products without thinking twice about it, and drinks non-organic wine, and eats meat, and that not everyone can afford to live on a little island community of moonbats with spectacular views of Mount Rainier.

Reminds me of a Roald Dahl story, actually. Can anyone guess which one?

Believe me those people are just as crazy to me. I haven't known too many people who were home schooled by left wing moonbats. I don't like either extreme.

61 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:04:25am

Semi-off-topic:
Reverse-Engineering of Human Brain Likely by 2030, Expert Predicts

Updated at 18:30 EST to correct timeline of prediction to 2030 from 2020

Reverse-engineering the human brain so we can simulate it using computers may be just two decades away, says Ray Kurzweil, artificial intelligence expert and author of the best-selling book The Singularity is Near.

It would be the first step toward creating machines that are more powerful than the human brain. These supercomputers could be networked into a cloud computing architecture to amplify their processing capabilities. Meanwhile, algorithms that power them could get more intelligent. Together these could create the ultimate machine that can help us handle the challenges of the future, says Kurzweil.

This point where machines surpass human intelligence has been called the “singularity.” It’s a term that Kurzweil helped popularize through his book.

H.G.Wells said Life is a race between education and disaster. In another decade or two, a new sort of educator may be needed.

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:39:39am

re: #42 Cato the Elder

Why do you object to the "moonbat" appellation?

There are wingnut homeschoolers, and there are moonbat homeschoolers. And there are homeschoolers who are neither wingbats nor moonnuts.

The person in question is indubitably a moonbat. First, she believes that "the universe" is a benevolent force in her life.

Moonbat.

How is this any weirder than any major religion? I mean, I get the standard branch-piting Prius latte Mother Jones stereotypes, but there's nothing offensive about this.

63 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:41:09am

re: #58 Cato the Elder

My constitutional right to drive a Lincoln, chainsmoke, and drink as much as I want would be denied me by ecofascists. And they would turn me into a pariah for agreeing with Penn and Teller that recycling is feel-good bullshit.

I'll take none from Column A and none from Column B, thank you very much.

What are you doing buying a Lincoln when there's such cooler iron out there for so much less :D [Link: www.topspeed.com...]

64 alexknyc  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:49:06am

re: #61 abolitionist

Semi-off-topic:
Reverse-Engineering of Human Brain Likely by 2030, Expert Predicts

H.G.Wells said Life is a race between education and disaster. In another decade or two, a new sort of educator may be needed.

At the moment, disaster seems to be winning.

65 freetoken  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:25:44am
Youtube Video
66 freetoken  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:22:19am
Youtube Video
67 freetoken  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:28:06am
Youtube Video
68 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:41:02am

re: #63 WindUpBird

What are you doing buying a Lincoln when there's such cooler iron out there for so much less :D [Link: www.topspeed.com...]

Who said I'm buying?

I'm driving. When I can afford the gas.

69 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:08:45am

Well, I got about an hours sleep last night.

70 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:10:54am

This one's for Cato.

Youtube Video

Good Morning Lizards!

Another proud graduate of high school Latin. Still have the books on my shelf. Great way to learn the roots of the English language.

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:15:51am

Dbags.
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]

72 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:28:37am

re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, I got about an hours sleep last night.

And you have to work today on an hour of sleep? I have an odd 6am-10am shift this morning, helping out in general merchandise (whine)... and then off until 4:00am Thursday morning, then another odd shift helping out in general merchandise till 12:30pm... the whole damn store is understaffed and they have been sharing people all over the place... not understaffed because we can't find people willing to work, understaffed because corporate won't hire anyone.

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:35:24am

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dbags.
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]

Craigslist is sort of like the glass in the ant farm, you can see the ants doing their thing

The amount of surreal and terrifying requests and offers on Craigslist, it beggars belief

75 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:38:54am

re: #73 WindUpBird

College sports, don't get it

Sports... I don't get it period.

76 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:17:06am

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dbags.
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]

That's sick.

77 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:17:49am

re: #74 WindUpBird

Craigslist is sort of like the glass in the ant farm, you can see the ants doing their thing

The amount of surreal and terrifying requests and offers on Craigslist, it beggars belief

I'm on CL a lot looking for tools and stuff. One time I ventured into some of the stranger areas to see what the buzz was about. I won't do it again.

78 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:23:23am

re: #73 WindUpBird

College sports, don't get it

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

Sports... I don't get it period.

Are you kidding?
WE are winners!
YOU are loooooooosers!

Remind anybody of anything?

79 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:50:46am
"The Impossibility of Atheistic Evolution"

— Grant them that one, it takes God to get it all going.

80 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:53:00am

re: #58 Cato the Elder

Watch out, the fizz in beer is a greenhause gas, auchtung.

81 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:53:50am

re: #76 reine.de.tout

That's sick.

82 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:56:52am

re: #76 reine.de.tout

That's sick.

Well, I just lost my whole damn comment.

Oh well.

I just wanted to note how many comments on that article are actually supportive of these dickbags, from the people making the bogus evolutionary argument that it's normal for primates (so is killing the young of other primates-- we're humans, we're different.) and the people making the 'entrapment' claim-- these guys responded to an ad, they willing showed up at the house. As creepy as it is, I support the right of people to engage in fantasies, but when they actually show up at a house with candy and condoms, ready to have sex with a fourteen year old girl and her mother-- that's not really something you can be 'entrapped' into doing.

83 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:05:02am

Huh. The Kid goes to a conservative, fundamentalist Christian church. Darwin is not a nasty word there, nor is evolution.

Where are these schools that shun science?

84 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:07:14am

re: #82 Obdicut

Well, I just lost my whole damn comment.

Oh well.

I just wanted to note how many comments on that article are actually supportive of these dickbags, from the people making the bogus evolutionary argument that it's normal for primates (so is killing the young of other primates-- we're humans, we're different.) and the people making the 'entrapment' claim-- these guys responded to an ad, they willing showed up at the house. As creepy as it is, I support the right of people to engage in fantasies, but when they actually show up at a house with candy and condoms, ready to have sex with a fourteen year old girl and her mother-- that's not really something you can be 'entrapped' into doing.

Entrapment is a topic a lot of people trot out whenever the police pull off a major sting. It doesn't work quite the way most people think. The police can put the bait out there, as long as the actual illicit suggestion isn't theirs to begin with. In other words, they can pose as a 14-year-old girl in a chat room, as long as they're not suggesting meeting up to have sex. Notice that the advertisement that the police posted in this case mentioned absolutely nothing illegal whatsoever - all of the disgusting suggestions were proposed by the perverts themselves. That's a master sting operation.

85 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:08:15am

re: #83 MandyManners

I don't think the article is about schools that shun science, but parents that do, and attempt to prevent their kid from learning science at school.

The fact that we in the US have lower rates of acceptance of evolution and other scientific facts which challenge biblical literalism than any other Western nation is not a coincidence.

86 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:10:09am

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

OK I am back.

Small announcement. Looking at the sick stuff the stalkers, Hotair, RSM, PJM, Fox comments etc... routinely post, has honestly colored my view of people too much. I do believe that they are representative of the sickness that is in America. For that they bear watching.

But I am not going to do it anymore. That much concentrated crazy makes you start thinking the world is even more messed up than it is.

It is sufficient to follow the news to see how twisted these creatures are.

I am simply not going to look at them again for quite some time.

I try to stay away from the comments section everywhere but here. You can't read the comments section in your daily paper about something stupid without running into wild eyed crazies. When I want a good laugh at people I'll read the comments section of a controversial story on politico.

87 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:11:49am

re: #85 Obdicut

I don't think the article is about schools that shun science, but parents that do, and attempt to prevent their kid from learning science at school.

The fact that we in the US have lower rates of acceptance of evolution and other scientific facts which challenge biblical literalism than any other Western nation is not a coincidence.

Biblical literalism and Koranic literalism have a lot more in common than we dare think.

88 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:12:02am

re: #85 Obdicut

I don't think the article is about schools that shun science, but parents that do, and attempt to prevent their kid from learning science at school.

The fact that we in the US have lower rates of acceptance of evolution and other scientific facts which challenge biblical literalism than any other Western nation is not a coincidence.

Damn First Amendment.

89 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:15:07am

re: #87 ralphieboy

Biblical literalism and Koranic literalism have a lot more in common than we dare think.

Are you for real?

Show me a passage from the Koran that tells us to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Show me a passage from the New Testament that says trees and rocks will betray the Jews hiding behind them.

90 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:17:00am

re: #88 MandyManners

Damn First Amendment.

No, the first amendment is great. Damn biblical literalists and other anti-science types, who are eroding, year by year, both our ability to deal with the challenges that face us and our economic abilities.

The first amendment is wonderful. Not every purpose that speech is put to is wonderful, however.

91 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:17:34am

re: #82 Obdicut

Well, I just lost my whole damn comment.

Oh well.

I just wanted to note how many comments on that article are actually supportive of these dickbags, from the people making the bogus evolutionary argument that it's normal for primates (so is killing the young of other primates-- we're humans, we're different.) and the people making the 'entrapment' claim-- these guys responded to an ad, they willing showed up at the house. As creepy as it is, I support the right of people to engage in fantasies, but when they actually show up at a house with candy and condoms, ready to have sex with a fourteen year old girl and her mother-- that's not really something you can be 'entrapped' into doing.

No kidding.
I have zero sympathy for anyone who would prey on (abuse or killing) those who are most dependent on us and vulnerable - children, and animals. In my mind, there's not much worse than that.

92 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:18:16am

Maybe the president should have asked Gov. Christie for the correct answer regarding the mosque:

[Link: www.politico.com...]


"Given my last position, that I was the first U.S attorney post 9/11 in New Jersey, I understand acutely the pain and sorrow and upset of the family members who lost loved ones that day at the hands of radical Muslim extremists," Christie said. "And their sensitivities and concerns have to be taken into account. Just because it's nearly nine years later, those sensitivities cannot and should not be ignored.

"On the other hand, we cannot paint all of Islam with that brush. ...We have to bring people together. And what offends me the most about all this, is that it's being used as a political football by both parties.

93 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:21:39am

re: #89 MandyManners

Mandy, this 'my religion is better than your religion' is pretty silly, especially since I don't think you actually know what the Koran says.

Five second on google produced this:

[Blessed are] those who show their affection to such as came to them for refuge and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves"

—Qur’an (Surah 59, "Exile," vv. 9)

94 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:24:41am

re: #92 RogueOne

Why? Christie's amazingly hypocritical comment is kind of funny-- accusing 'both parties' of playing political football with the mosque and all-- but what is it that you like about that statement?

The GOP-- along with Harry Reid, woo!-- are using this as a political flashpoint. The Democrats are not. Obama has stood up for the mosque in a way that's probably politically dangerous, and will probably harm Democrats in the November elections.

So how are the Democrats using this as a political football?

95 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:27:47am

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

OK I am back.

Small announcement. Looking at the sick stuff the stalkers, Hotair, RSM, PJM, Fox comments etc... routinely post, has honestly colored my view of people too much. I do believe that they are representative of the sickness that is in America. For that they bear watching.

But I am not going to do it anymore. That much concentrated crazy makes you start thinking the world is even more messed up than it is.

It is sufficient to follow the news to see how twisted these creatures are.

I am simply not going to look at them again for quite some time.

LVQ - good idea, I think.

People who read and make comments at blogs are those few people who have an overwhelmingly strong, passionate point of view. Like attracts like. At some places, the people are twisted, and they attract folks who are similar.

At LGF, it seems, the folks here, regardless of political persuasion, are passionate about sanity and level-headedness (which is one reason why some your extremely passionate stuff makes some of us uncomfortable, that's merely an observation, not a criticism) - and I believe this holds true, for the "regulars" at least, even though there is often disagreement. Check out how many people are registered here at LGF. Check out how many people regularly comment here (say, at least once a day). A small small portion of registered readers actually comment regularly. I suspect what we see at the crazy places is a small, small number of actual PEOPLE; and those who perhaps read but aren't engaged enough to comment are those who may have a particular point of view that we may or may not agree with, but they are NOT "concentrated crazy".

96 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:31:30am

re: #94 Obdicut

What I like is that it's the correct answer to a tough question. I know a lot of people would just like to blame all the uproar over bigotry but since 70% of the public is against the location of the mosque it's a little bit of a broad brush don't you think? He managed to take both positions into consideration without calling anyone bigots or nazis. Toss in the fact that he gave an honest answer and stuck to it and it really differentiates from the presidents statement(s).


I don't believe that it would be responsible of me to get involved and comment on this any further because it just put me in the same political arena as all of them."

Admit it, it kills you that some fat guy from Jersey played this smarter than the "smartest man ever elected!"./

97 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:35:14am

re: #96 RogueOne

What I like is that it's the correct answer to a tough question.

What answer? The one where he hypocritically talks about it being used as a political football while patting himself on the back?

I know a lot of people would just like to blame all the uproar over bigotry but since 70% of the public is against the location of the mosque it's a little bit of a broad brush don't you think?

No. The US has a huge problem with bigotry against Muslims right now, fanned on wildly by people like Spencer and Geller. There's this great website called LGF where you can read articles about this. You should go there sometime.


He managed to take both positions into consideration without calling anyone bigots or nazis.

He managed to vaguely talk about how the feelings of those who lost people on 9/11 should be taken into account without actually saying what that means, at all. He managed to be a total politician, yes. I didn't realize that did it for you.


Toss in the fact that he gave an honest answer and stuck to it and it really differentiates from the presidents statement(s).

Again-- what honest answer? Vague, mealy statements aren't really that honest to me.

Admit it, it kills you that some fat guy from Jersey played this smarter than the "smartest man ever elected!"./

Okay, I'm confused: do you like his statement because it's 'an honest answer' or because he 'played this smarter'? You can't seem to make up your mind.

And since I never called Obama the smartest man ever elected, and don't think he is-- I think probably Teddy Roosevelt was-- what is that quote doing in there? Part of your bizarre fantasy that I'm an Obama cheerleader, right?

Weird.

98 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:42:41am

re: #83 MandyManners

Huh. The Kid goes to a conservative, fundamentalist Christian church. Darwin is not a nasty word there, nor is evolution.

Where are these schools that shun science?

Hmm. I assume you meant 'school' where you said 'church'.

Are you really trying to claim that there are no schools that disparage evolutionary science and promote creationism? I have yet to discover any 'fundamentalist' christians who are not also creationists. Got any links?

PS evangelical is not the same as fundamentalist.

99 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:43:12am

re: #97 Obdicut

No. The US has a huge problem with bigotry against Muslims right now, fanned on wildly by people like Spencer and Geller. There's this great website called LGF where you can read articles about this. You should go there sometime.

The ADL, Harry Reid, the 9/11 families, and fellow muslims who think the center would do better if it were built elsewhere are all bigots. That's really the argument you want to put out there?

How long will this argument go on? Until you've alienated every moderate and independent in the nation? The dem party, especially the president, has been bleeding independents and white voters for a year. Calling your opposition bigots at every opportunity is part of the reason why.

100 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:45:12am

re: #97 Obdicut

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

You can get that book for kindle. I don't believe there's a chapter "label those who disagree as bigots" in there though. Still, it's a good read.

101 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:47:45am

re: #99 RogueOne

The ADL, Harry Reid, the 9/11 families, and fellow muslims who think the center would do better if it were built elsewhere are all bigots. That's really the argument you want to put out there?

No, which is why I haven't.

The opposition to the mosque is based in bigotry. It is using bigotry. It is also using a lot of lies, to trick people who would not be bigoted against ordinary Muslims into being bigoted against them by claiming, for example, that the imam of this mosque is some sort of radical, and that moderate Muslims don't exist.

As I said-- there's tons of articles here on LGF about this. Do you not understand the existence of propaganda or something? Do you not get how it works?

And why do you always address people as 'you' in the plural? For a libertarian, you have the weirdest habit of treating people solely as part of a group.

102 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:47:52am

re: #99 RogueOne

The ADL, Harry Reid, the 9/11 families, and fellow muslims who think the center would do better if it were built elsewhere are all bigots. That's really the argument you want to put out there?

How long will this argument go on? Until you've alienated every moderate and independent in the nation? The dem party, especially the president, has been bleeding independents and white voters for a year. Calling your opposition bigots at every opportunity is part of the reason why.

They may not all be bigots to the last man, but perceptions of the mosque have been manipulated by bigots. Basically, opponents of the mosque are largely either bigots themselves or they have been misled by bigots.

103 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:48:53am

More bad news....

Coffee Prices Extend Rally to 12-Year High
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

pretty soon we're going to see coffee seeds for sale as investment opportunity....

104 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:49:33am

re: #89 MandyManners

Are you for real?

Show me a passage from the Koran that tells us to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Show me a passage from the New Testament that says trees and rocks will betray the Jews hiding behind them.

When people take their scriptures as the literal and unchanging Word of God, there is no reasoning or arguing with them.

When people begin to see their Holy Scriptures as the product of their times and the work of human hands, they can begin to adapt these teachings to fit the modern world.

I will not bother you with passages of the Koran that teach people to protect the helpless, give alms to the poor or to seek to lead a better and more moral life as you seem to want to concentrate on all the infidel-bashing passages.

But homosexuals are an abdomination unto the lord, both the Bible and Koran works agree on that one.

105 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:50:04am

re: #83 MandyManners

Huh. The Kid goes to a conservative, fundamentalist Christian church. Darwin is not a nasty word there, nor is evolution.

Where are these schools that shun science?

Not shunned, but willfully misinterpreted:

[Link: www.halifaxchristianacademy.ca...]

Won't find anything on their website tho.

106 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:50:29am

re: #100 RogueOne

You didn't answer what it was about Christie's 'honest' answer that you liked, by the way.

Was it the way he talked about how disgusted he was by other people using the topic as a political football as he tossed the topic from hand to hand, pump-faking it?

Or was it the way he talked about how the sensitivities of those who lost family to extremists on 9/11 need to have their feelings taken into account, without actually saying what the hell that means, how that actually should be done?

107 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:50:42am

Ok Ericus, since you clearly disagree with my comment, show me how fundamentalist, literalist Christianity squares with evolutionary science.

108 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:51:18am

re: #93 Obdicut

Mandy, this 'my religion is better than your religion' is pretty silly, especially since I don't think you actually know what the Koran says.

Five second on google produced this:

—Qur’an (Surah 59, "Exile," vv. 9)

Very good passage.

I was looking for a follow-up to the other half of Mandy's post though:
"Show me a passage from the New Testament that says trees and rocks will betray the Jews hiding behind them."

Were you able to find something similar?

109 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:53:21am

re: #108 Ericus58

Sure. All of Revelations. There's more crazy shit in there than one can shake a stick at.

All of which is really besides the point. Buddah said nothing about violence that wasn't 'violence is bad', and yet Buddhists have had gigantic, titanic wars with each other. There is not a lot of connection between the text of a religion and the actual practice of a religion.

110 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:53:50am

re: #102 Jimmah

They may not all be bigots to the last man, but perceptions of the mosque have been manipulated by bigots.

That part I'll agree with. I just disagree that Pam Gellar is such a powerful voice that she can talk 70% of the nation into agreement. I don't think Harry Reid or the ADL even know who the hell she is. Even though I've been on here for awhile now I've still never read anything she has written that wasn't posted here.

Think about this for a second. Could I be convinced that it's all led by bigotry if I hadn't heard the same thing about opposition to the stimulus package, the auto bailouts and HCR?

111 garhighway  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:56:05am

re: #96 RogueOne

What I like is that it's the correct answer to a tough question. I know a lot of people would just like to blame all the uproar over bigotry but since 70% of the public is against the location of the mosque it's a little bit of a broad brush don't you think? He managed to take both positions into consideration without calling anyone bigots or nazis. Toss in the fact that he gave an honest answer and stuck to it and it really differentiates from the presidents statement(s).

Admit it, it kills you that some fat guy from Jersey played this smarter than the "smartest man ever elected!"./

It's no answer at all. What, exactly is he saying should happen? Build it or not build it?

Pick one.

112 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:56:31am

re: #110 RogueOne

That part I'll agree with. I just disagree that Pam Gellar is such a powerful voice that she can talk 70% of the nation into agreement.

Geller is hardly the only voice that is promoting the scurrilous arguments against the project.

113 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:56:59am

re: #110 RogueOne

Jesus Christ, rogue, are you really, really, really trying to claim that most people here have said that opposition to HCR was based in bigotry?

114 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:59:58am

re: #108 Ericus58

Very good passage.

I was looking for a follow-up to the other half of Mandy's post though:
"Show me a passage from the New Testament that says trees and rocks will betray the Jews hiding behind them."

Were you able to find something similar?

Once upon a time, I believed that Islam's scriptures were uniquely intolerant. Then I read the Bible. It's there if you look for it, in spades.

115 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:00:22am
116 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:01:33am

re: #115 Solomon2

So you think WND might wind up being right, and evolution is actually a big hoax?

You chose poorly.

117 celticdragon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:05:20am

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

Sounds like a guide for black helicopter parents.
There are plenty of anti-superstition resources for teachers, but someone needs to bring them together and produce a specific faculty guide for dealing with these people.

No kidding. Assuming I get accepted into a masters program for geology next year, I will also have to teach entry level geology 101 classes. I need those materials.

118 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:05:37am

Back-to-school essentials from WND: or how to teach your child to be an ignorant, paranoid little douche bag.

119 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:06:46am

re: #111 garhighway

It's no answer at all. What, exactly is he saying should happen? Build it or not build it?

Pick one.

No, that's the mistake the president made. By sticking his nose into something that shouldn't be a political issue. On one side of the aisle you have Gingrich calling them Nazis and on the other you have dems running for cover thanks to their waffling president so instead you have liberal blogs and writers involved in a proxy war calling all opposition bigotry. It's ugly and unnecessary, that was Christies point.

120 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:08:00am

re: #113 Obdicut

Jesus Christ, rogue, are you really, really, really trying to claim that most people here have said that opposition to HCR was based in bigotry?

Not most people here (a lot of them certainly were) but on the presidents side of the aisle.

121 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:08:23am

re: #119 RogueOne

What did Christie mean when he said the feelings of those who lost people on 9/11 should be taken into account? What does that actually mean, in the real, practical world?

122 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:09:01am

Yeah. That's what's wrong with this country. Hollywood, liberals, and the 9th Circuit Court. Never mind everything else. The financial meltdown was just a collective hallucination. It's dem queers fault!!11ty!

//

123 celticdragon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:10:04am

re: #61 abolitionist

This point where machines surpass human intelligence has been called the “singularity.” It’s a term that Kurzweil helped popularize through his book.

Science fiction author Vernor Vinge is a big proponent of the Singularity hypothesis.

124 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:10:26am

re: #120 RogueOne

Not most people here (a lot of them certainly were) but on the presidents side of the aisle.

It is a fantasy of yours that a lot of people here were saying that most opposition to HCR was based in bigotry. It is also a fantasy that most people on the 'presidents side of the aisle' (nice and vague-- I see why you like Christie) said that it was based in bigotry.

A few people said that. Most people said that opposition to HCR was, well, political gamesmanship by the Republicans, especially since the HCR reform suggested was actually less comprehensive and sweeping than what had been proposed under Nixon.

That doesn't fit your fantasies, though.

125 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:12:31am

re: #121 Obdicut

What did Christie mean when he said the feelings of those who lost people on 9/11 should be taken into account? What does that actually mean, in the real, practical world?

That he understands why they would feel like any mosque built that close, close enough for landing gear to land on the building, is an unnecessary provocation.

Dems running for office are freaking out about the presidents statement. Do you think republicans will run from Christie in the same manner?

126 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:14:13am

re: #107 Jimmah

Ok Ericus, since you clearly disagree with my comment, show me how fundamentalist, literalist Christianity squares with evolutionary science.

Truly, I can't say I disagree with the your comment.
We actually hold the same opinion.

What I disagree with is your manner of attacking "All things Mandy".
Whereas Obdicut will disagree but at least show respect for a fellow poster, you however constantly downding posts - always a target for you.

That's why I gave you the downer.

127 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:14:35am

re: #61 abolitionist

Semi-off-topic:
Reverse-Engineering of Human Brain Likely by 2030, Expert Predicts

H.G.Wells said Life is a race between education and disaster. In another decade or two, a new sort of educator may be needed.

'Artificial intelligence expert' Snerk.

How can you fake something when you don't know what it is?

128 celticdragon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:15:13am

re: #124 Obdicut

A few people said that. Most people said that opposition to HCR was, well, political gamesmanship by the Republicans, especially since the HCR reform suggested was actually less comprehensive and sweeping than what had been proposed under Nixon.

That smirking neocon shithead Bill Kristol said in 1992 that if Republicans didn't kill healthcare, it would be the death of the party.

The version passed this last year is about the same as what Bob Dole proposed to counter Hillary Care, but that didn't faze Kristol at all, of course. Dead Americans are a secondary consideration to his green foam finger "We're numba one!" brand of tribal indentification politics.

129 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:16:34am

re: #109 Obdicut

Sure. All of Revelations. There's more crazy shit in there than one can shake a stick at.

All of which is really besides the point. Buddah said nothing about violence that wasn't 'violence is bad', and yet Buddhists have had gigantic, titanic wars with each other. There is not a lot of connection between the text of a religion and the actual practice of a religion.

What are you saying? The the Book of Revelations tells Christians to seek out and kill Jews, that the earth itself will give them up to be killed?

130 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:17:00am

Unnecessary provocation!

Yawn.

131 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:17:00am

re: #125 RogueOne

That he understands why they would feel like any mosque built that close, close enough for landing gear to land on the building, is an unnecessary provocation.

So what does he feel the actual, real-world effect of that feeling should be? What does it mean to take it into account? That was the actual question I asked-- you failed to answer it.

Dems running for office are freaking out about the presidents statement. Do you think republicans will run from Christie in the same manner?

No, I think they'll say he didn't go quite far enough in opposition to the mosque. Most of them are taking a much harder line.

So this is the bit where you're saying Christie played it smarter, rather than claiming his was an honest answer, right? Is there any twinge in your head when you switch between your two contradictory views of his statement like that?

132 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:17:35am

re: #129 Ericus58

What are you saying? The the Book of Revelations tells Christians to seek out and kill Jews, that the earth itself will give them up to be killed?

The book of Revelations says much crazier shit than that. I'm not sure what you're asking for-- a specific bit of craziness related to geology and Jews?

133 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:18:28am

re: #114 Jimmah

Once upon a time, I believed that Islam's scriptures were uniquely intolerant. Then I read the Bible. It's there if you look for it, in spades.

I think the original discusion was on the New Testament and the Koran.

134 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:19:13am

re: #124 Obdicut

It is a fantasy of yours that a lot of people here were saying that most opposition to HCR was based in bigotry. It is also a fantasy that most people on the 'presidents side of the aisle' (nice and vague-- I see why you like Christie) said that it was based in bigotry.

You keep saying "here" when I didn't say any such thing. OTOH, I've been called a bigot numerous times by numerous commentors.

opposition to hcr is racist
[Link: www.google.com...]
About 18,100 results (0.15 seconds)

opposition to auto bailout is racist
[Link: www.google.com...]
About 715,000 results (0.27 seconds)

opposition to stimulus is racist
[Link: www.google.com...]
About 316,000 results (0.16 seconds)

Collectively over a million results in less than .6 of a second.

135 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:21:53am

re: #89 MandyManners

Are you for real?

Show me a passage from the Koran that tells us to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Show me a passage from the New Testament that says trees and rocks will betray the Jews hiding behind them.

In the name of Allah, The Benevolent, The Merciful, if you save the life of one man it is as if you save the life of all mankind.

Book of Swords, for get which chapter and verse.

136 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:23:03am

re: #134 RogueOne

You keep saying "here" when I didn't say any such thing. OTOH, I've been called a bigot numerous times by numerous commentors.

opposition to hcr is racist
[Link: www.google.com...]
About 18,100 results (0.15 seconds)

opposition to auto bailout is racist
[Link: www.google.com...]
About 715,000 results (0.27 seconds)

opposition to stimulus is racist
[Link: www.google.com...]
About 316,000 results (0.16 seconds)

Collectively over a million results in less than .6 of a second.

Obama is a rabbit

[Link: www.google.ca...]

About 2,400,000 results (0.20 seconds)


Using google results page to prove a point just makes you look like an idiot

137 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:23:12am

re: #131 Obdicut

So what does he feel the actual, real-world effect of that feeling should be? What does it mean to take it into account? That was the actual question I asked-- you failed to answer it.

No, I think they'll say he didn't go quite far enough in opposition to the mosque. Most of them are taking a much harder line.

So this is the bit where you're saying Christie played it smarter, rather than claiming his was an honest answer, right? Is there any twinge in your head when you switch between your two contradictory views of his statement like that?

A. In the real world if your goal is peace and understanding then when you make a decision that is having the opposite effect you're hoping for then you need to rethink your plan.

B. Dems aren't taking a harder stand other than to agree with the ADL. Dems would much rather the president had kept his mouth shut.

138 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:24:18am

re: #136 McSpiff

You're right. The left has never claimed opposition to the president is based on bigotry and racism. I just imagined all of that.

139 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:25:24am

re: #138 RogueOne

You're right. The left has never claimed opposition to the president is based on bigotry and racism. I just imagined all of that.

Not what I said. Link to specific sources. You can make google find a million results for most phrases. Don't get butthurt.

140 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:25:34am

re: #138 RogueOne

You're right. The left has never claimed opposition to the president is based on bigotry and racism. I just imagined all of that.

[Link: www.google.co.uk...]

how soon we forget.

141 pharmmajor  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:25:36am

WorldNetDaily, offering all the supplies you need to raise the religious fanatic janitors of the future.

142 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:25:48am

re: #138 RogueOne

Just like I'm imagining all the fleeing independent voters. When the repubs take over in january it will all be in my mind.

143 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:26:13am

re: #142 RogueOne

Most likely it will be.

144 Solomon2  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:27:31am

re: #116 Obdicut

So you think WND might wind up being right, and evolution is actually a big hoax?.


No.

145 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:27:31am

re: #142 RogueOne

Just like I'm imagining all the fleeing independent voters. When the repubs take over in january it will all be in my mind.

Yeah. Once the Republicans "take over" all our problems will be solved and we'll all live happily ever after.

I mean. After all it's been 1000s of years since they had any say in how this country is run. It will be a fresh new start of new ideas from the GOP never seen before in American history.

//

146 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:27:41am

re: #143 McSpiff

Most likely it will be.

Just remember when it happens that I've been saying for a year it's coming and the reason why it's coming.

147 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:28:34am

re: #146 RogueOne

Just remember when it happens that I've been saying for a year it's coming and the reason why it's coming.

Just remember when the Tea Party Caucus becomes the dominate force on the GOP side of the aisle... We warned you.

148 pharmmajor  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:29:32am

In my opinion, here's what you need to get your kids prepared to go back to school:

[Link: showtime.resultspage.com...]

149 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:29:35am

re: #145 Gus 802

don't go putting those words in my mouth. I've been pointing out for a year the almost intentional alienating of independents and that it's going to cost the dems more and more elections until they learn. The only problem I see with the upcoming punishment they're about to go through is the repubs will take it as some sort of sign that they're doing wonderfully.

150 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:31:36am

re: #142 RogueOne

Just like I'm imagining all the fleeing independent voters. When the repubs take over in january it will all be in my mind.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs that people want to abandon the Centrist party Obama leads - and go to the party of Bachman/Gingrich/Palin........

There doesn't seem to be any particular reason for these people to rush into the arms of the least tolerant/tax the poor/religio-fanatics - other than the rantings of the media that is the tool of the right wing hate machine which seeks to transpose Obama as a hysterical marxist foreigner.

151 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:31:49am

re: #149 RogueOne

I'm waiting to see if the GOP runs on a "Guns God n Muslims" campaign before I make any predictions about where the independents go. I think Incumbent Dem vs Generic GOPer, the GOP has a good shot... but I'll wait to see how many candidates fit the mold of "generic GOP" before I put the independents one way or another.

152 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:34:35am

re: #151 McSpiff

I'm waiting to see if the GOP runs on a "Guns God n Muslims" campaign before I make any predictions about where the independents go. I think Incumbent Dem vs Generic GOPer, the GOP has a good shot... but I'll wait to see how many candidates fit the mold of "generic GOP" before I put the independents one way or another.

I think they're so disgusted with the administration and the dem control of congress they don't really care. If they come out to vote at all, 70% of them will pull the lever for the repub.

153 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:36:06am

Done with the poop stirring for awhile, bbl.

One last time, Go Christie!/

154 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:36:13am

re: #149 RogueOne

don't go putting those words in my mouth. I've been pointing out for a year the almost intentional alienating of independents and that it's going to cost the dems more and more elections until they learn. The only problem I see with the upcoming punishment they're about to go through is the repubs will take it as some sort of sign that they're doing wonderfully.

It will be the same bullshit all over again. Either way we won't know until after election day since the previous elections haven't been very conclusive.

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:36:17am

re: #117 celticdragon

No kidding. Assuming I get accepted into a masters program for geology next year, I will also have to teach entry level geology 101 classes. I need those materials.

My brother teaches intro geology courses and his approach was the simple "you will be tested on the course content" standard which avoids bringing the student's beliefs into play.

Though I've never had a discussion with him about any students who keeping trying to bring the subject up. He does get negative comments on his student evaluations however, but he expects that sort of thing based on his teaching approach (which is pretty much "no bullshit, but you can say what you want as long as you can back it up with reasoned logic and facts". I also have the impression that it is generally a temporary (if recurring) issue since the outspoken fundamentalists are not the types that become geology majors and thus hang around in the department.

156 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:36:22am

re: #145 Gus 802

Yeah. Once the Republicans "take over" all our problems will be solved and we'll all live happily ever after.

I mean. After all it's been 1000s of years since they had any say in how this country is run. It will be a fresh new start of new ideas from the GOP never seen before in American history.

//

It will be a new, idologically pure Republican Party, with God on its side.

157 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:36:26am

re: #89 MandyManners

Are you for real?

Show me a passage from the Koran that tells us to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Show me a passage from the New Testament that says trees and rocks will betray the Jews hiding behind them.

I can't think of one from the NT offhand, but as far as I know the OT is also part of the Christian repertoire, and I seem to remember a psalm that extols anyone who would take the children of the enemy (usually the enemies were infidels) and dash out their brains against a rock.

Of course, you may interpret that away if you like.

158 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:37:56am

re: #156 ralphieboy

It will be a new, idologically pure Republican Party, with God on its side.

New and improved! Let's invade Iran! Let's invade Venezuela! Let's outlaw homosexuality! Let's outlaw Islam!

Oh, and extend the Bush tax cuts.

Problems solved.

//

159 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:38:08am

re: #152 RogueOne

I think they're so disgusted with the administration and the dem control of congress they don't really care. If they come out to vote at all, 70% of them will pull the lever for the repub.

That's it right there for me, I'm not convinced the GOP can get them out.

160 sffilk  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:40:21am

Seems that all the Bibles are based on the King James Version. Seems to me that WND is saying "no Jews allowed"?

161 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:40:59am

re: #157 Cato the Elder

I can't think of one from the NT offhand, but as far as I know the OT is also part of the Christian repertoire, and I seem to remember a psalm that extols anyone who would take the children of the enemy (usually the enemies were infidels) and dash out their brains against a rock.

Of course, you may interpret that away if you like.

A religion is more than just its written words, it is the also in the spirit of those people who interpret them and put them into daily use.

If these people are mean-spirited and ignorant, then that is how the way they practice their religion will be turn out.

Just do not confuse that with the scriptures themselves as Geert Wilders and his ilk are prone to do.

162 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:41:23am

Hallowed Ground

//

163 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:42:57am

re: #161 ralphieboy

A religion is more than just its written words, it is the also in the spirit of those people who interpret them and put them into daily use.

If these people are mean-spirited and ignorant, then that is how the way they practice their religion will be turn out.

Just do not confuse that with the scriptures themselves as Geert Wilders and his ilk are prone to do.

I'm not sure it's Cato and I confusing those issues, i was reaching for the same Psalm.

164 garhighway  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:43:15am

re: #119 RogueOne

No, that's the mistake the president made. By sticking his nose into something that shouldn't be a political issue. On one side of the aisle you have Gingrich calling them Nazis and on the other you have dems running for cover thanks to their waffling president so instead you have liberal blogs and writers involved in a proxy war calling all opposition bigotry. It's ugly and unnecessary, that was Christies point.

So the right answer is to sit down and shut up? Christie didn't do that, either.

Christie said, if I may paraphrase, "The Park51 have a legal right to build and the 9/11 victims have a right to be pissed." Great. Where does that leave us?

165 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:43:58am

re: #157 Cato the Elder

I can't think of one from the NT offhand, but as far as I know the OT is also part of the Christian repertoire, and I seem to remember a psalm that extols anyone who would take the children of the enemy (usually the enemies were infidels) and dash out their brains against a rock.

Of course, you may interpret that away if you like.

Oh, and Mandy, the passage you quote about Jews hiding behind rocks and trees is not from the Koran; it is a hadith.

You can find plenty of similar horrors in secondary Christian literature.

Ignoramus.

166 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:45:01am

re: #159 McSpiff

That's it right there for me, I'm not convinced the GOP can get them out.

"lets get people out to vote for bigotry, tax breaks for huge corporations & richest individuals and enforced ultrasounds/violation of rape victims.........."

Sounds like a great platform to me.

/

167 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:46:36am

OK I'll fess up. The first thing I thought about when I woke up this morning wasn't that I haven't payed my rent yet. In truth my first thought was about Muslims taking over America!!11ty

//

168 ihateronpaul  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:46:44am

WorldNetDaily is a great site to find info on how homosexuals are evil and trying to rape your kids

Hatred for unnatural and perverse sexualities. What if the average shortening of one's life due to homosexual behavior was four times greater than that due to obesity and poor diet, or three times greater than that due to heavy smoking? Would that be grounds to attach the "perverse" or "unnatural" label to some sort of consensual adult sexual activity? Further, what if the pathological demographic indices – violent crime, suicide, depression, pedophilia – further correlated with increased acceptance of homosexuality? Would it be love toward the individual considering such a lifestyle, or would it be hate? Wouldn't it be necessary to hate sexual perversity in order to truly love people considering it?

I wasn't using hyperbole.

Here is another gem:

As I show in "How Evil Works," the well-documented leftist infiltration and subversion of virtually all of America's institutions during the last two to three generations has included, front and center, the sabotage of traditional morality and religion. After all, from the Marxist perspective, if you're serious about transforming America – from a land of limited government and individual liberty rooted in a transcendent, faith-based moral code to a population of compliant, needy people dependent on a god-like government – you simply must separate the population from Judeo-Christian values and morality. As John Adams put it: "It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand."

That's right, gay sex is marxism! Anything to feed into their paranoid delusions. So yeah, a great website to indoctrinate your kids with.

And no, I didn't mask the url's, cause I have nothing to hide, and WND gets so much traffic it's really not going to make a fucking difference.

169 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:46:50am

Roger Simon over at Politico is concern-trolling this morning I see:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Q: Will Barack Obama be a one-term president?

A: Yes, he might last that long.

Honest to goodness, the man just does not get it. He might be forced to pull a Palin and resign before his first term is over. He could go off and write his memoirs and build his presidential library. (Both would be half-size, of course.)

Reason? Because Obama weighed in on the right to build the Cordoba House, and this proved that he doesn't have the "savvy" of a first-term president.

Later in the article, he starts talking about whether a president should be politically expedient, or actually do the right thing.

You can go back to the mid-1800s and find a lot of legislators saying that Abe Lincoln should stop lecturing people about ending slavery and listen to them about keeping it.

And there were plenty of lawmakers who said President Dwight D. Eisenhower was “disconnected from the mainstream of America” when he ordered the 101st Airborne Division to go down to Little Rock, Ark., to make sure some black kids could go to school with white kids.

Both decisions may have been “off message,” which is about the worst sin you can commit in Washington. But what’s so wrong about being off message if you are right about the issue?

This: An unidentified chief of staff to a “politically vulnerable House Democrat” told James Hohmann and Maggie Haberman of POLITICO that Obama’s statement “probably alienates a lot of independent voters” and “there are a lot of [Democrats] who are spooked in tough districts today” and “a lot of Republicans licking their chops right now.”

And what’s the point of doing the right thing if your party is going to lose seats because of it?

170 garhighway  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:46:57am

Since the Park 51 project has become a topic on this thread, I would like to repost this from downstairs to see whether current posters think it makes any sense:

For those that want to impose any sort of extra-legal requirements on the Park51 folks, I have the following questions:
1> Why Park51? What is it about Park 51 that causes you to believe that this requirement (financing disclosure, denunciation of Hamas, whatever) is appropriate?
2> Does this requirement extend to other proposed churches and/or community centers in a particular geographic area? If so, which ones, and in which area?
3> Does this requirement extend only to churches or community centers of a particular faith? If so, which ones and why?
4> Does this requirement extend only to churches and/or community centers sponsored by people of a particular ethnicity? If so, which ones and why?
5> Does this requirement only extend to churches and/or community centers that you believe are responsible for some notorious crime? If so, which crime or class of crimes?
6> And finally, what precise extra-legal requirements do you propose?
I ask these questions because I have had a hard time getting the logical connection between, for example, denouncing Hamas and building a church or community center. Please explain.

171 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:54:13am

re: #169 RadicalModerate

Roger Simon over at Politico is concern-trolling this morning I see:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Reason? Because Obama weighed in on the right to build the Cordoba House, and this proved that he doesn't have the "savvy" of a first-term president.

Later in the article, he starts talking about whether a president should be politically expedient, or actually do the right thing.

I read that earlier. Granted, President Obama is facing some real political challenges but it's not because of Park51. It was a rather dumb piece of writing overall.

172 Lidane  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:57:04am

Completely OT, but speaking of back to school, I start my grad school orientation today. I'm on my way out the door now.

Shh...don't tell WND this, but I saw unburned copies of Darwin's On the Origin of the Species at the campus bookstore yesterday-- near the Bibles that were assigned for the religious studies classes, no less! And this was at a private, Catholic university. It's not even one of those godless state schools that's destroying our children. Who will think of the children?

Every time I read about what these people indoctrinate their kids with, I weep for the future. It's tragic.

173 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:58:15am

re: #18 ralphieboy

If parents want to indoctrinate their kids at home or in the church of their choice with such dogmas, then that is their Constitutional right, i guess.

I just grow concerned when they start taking over public school curricula with such nonsense.

Then you should be very concerned. It is in full swing in Texas right now, and the evangelicals have not only gotten their "teach the controversy" curriculum instilled into the public schools' science books, but have started revising history, civics, and English books as well. The Dominionists are indeed taking over here, and our wonderful secessionist Governor Rick Perry is appointing the players to the key positions to get the ball rolling.

174 Claire  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:04:52am

re: #172 Lidane

AFAIK, Catholics don't have a problem with evolution.

175 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:08:49am

re: #126 Ericus58

Truly, I can't say I disagree with the your comment.
We actually hold the same opinion.

What I disagree with is your manner of attacking "All things Mandy".
Whereas Obdicut will disagree but at least show respect for a fellow poster, you however constantly downding posts - always a target for you.

That's why I gave you the downer.

That's the most pathetic piece of disingenuous twaddle I've seen for a while here.

I disputed Mandy's post, giving reasons - reasons you claim to agree with. But my comment deserved a downding nonetheless, according to you.

This is the moment when you should question who it is that downdings posters out of spite and personal dislike. (That would be you.)

176 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:09:49am

The problem with atheists, my $familyMember says, is that they have nothing with which to tie their existence, no One or no Thing greater than the Self. The main reason they are atheist is that their egos are so large that there is no room in there for anything other than self-love. The importance of faith - or religion, or whatever one chooses to call it - in a person's life is to help keep the ego in check, among other things.

That comes from a person who sincerely believes that all the vast cosmos with its endless mysteries, and this one tiny little speck floating along in it, and all the infinite calamities and coincidences that led up to this instant were all planned and put here on purpose - just for us! - by an all-knowing being that cares and provides for each of us individually, and has a specific plan and purpose for each of us individually, listens to our thoughts, intercedes on our behalf when we ask really nicely, etc. I have a hard time imagining a mindset MORE self-important than one that insists all of reality was put into place just specially for one's self, but there you have it.

177 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:10:05am

Yet again, John Bolton doesn't know what he's talking about.

"So if Israel is going to do anything against Bushehr it has to move in the next eight days."

Absent an Israeli strike, Bolton said, "Iran will achieve something that no other opponent of Israel, no other enemy of the United States in the Middle East really has and that is a functioning nuclear reactor."

But when asked whether he expected Israel to actually launch strikes against Iran within the next eight days, Bolton was skeptical.

"I don't think so, I'm afraid that they've lost this opportunity," he said.

So within a few sentences he contradicts his own palmistry. Drudge of course has it blaring on his page.

178 Lidane  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:10:11am

re: #174 Claire

AFAIK, Catholics don't have a problem with evolution.

In general no, they don't. But I was speaking more to the fact that it's a private religious school, not a secular state school, and they're selling Darwin next to the Bible. That sort of thing would give the crazies over at WND the vapors, given the sheer ignorance they're pushing on kids over there.

179 Lidane  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:10:51am

Anyhoo, on that note I have to go. Orientation starts in 20 minutes. Have a great day, Lizards! :)

180 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:12:29am

re: #175 Jimmah

Hi Jimmah! How is Ice doing?

181 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:12:44am

re: #165 Cato the Elder

Oh, and Mandy, the passage you quote about Jews hiding behind rocks and trees is not from the Koran; it is a hadith.

You can find plenty of similar horrors in secondary Christian literature.

Ignoramus.

Hadith's are hardly considered secondary literature in regards to the Koran and the Prophet Mohammad, Cato.
You know that.

182 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:14:40am

Yeah. Boy I tell ya. All of my financial problems point to one thing.

The Hadith.

//

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:15:08am

re: #176 negativ

The problem with atheists, my $familyMember says, is that they have nothing with which to tie their existence, no One or no Thing greater than the Self. The main reason they are atheist is that their egos are so large that there is no room in there for anything other than self-love. The importance of faith - or religion, or whatever one chooses to call it - in a person's life is to help keep the ego in check, among other things.

That comes from a person who sincerely believes that all the vast cosmos with its endless mysteries, and this one tiny little speck floating along in it, and all the infinite calamities and coincidences that led up to this instant were all planned and put here on purpose - just for us! - by an all-knowing being that cares and provides for each of us individually, and has a specific plan and purpose for each of us individually, listens to our thoughts, intercedes on our behalf when we ask really nicely, etc. I have a hard time imagining a mindset MORE self-important than one that insists all of reality was put into place just specially for one's self, but there you have it.

Heh.

I accept that I'm an insignificant speck in the universe.

I also accept that I alone am responsible for my decisions during my life, and am not beholden to, or stand in fear of, some invisible sky-daddy who stands to punish me afterwards like I was some sort of wayward 9-year-old.

The evils of men are their own, and they are responsible for coming up with the solution as well.

184 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:16:16am

re: #183 oaktree

THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT!

185 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:16:21am

The headline at CNN reads, "Murder charges sought against mom in children's deaths." Had she been a Muslim it would have already been linked as "Murder charges sought against Muslim mom in children's deaths."

186 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:16:52am

re: #184 HoosierHoops

THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT!

I rate that one right up there with the "I was drunk" excuse. :p

187 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:17:13am

re: #133 Ericus58

I think the original discusion was on the New Testament and the Koran.

Apart from the fact that the NT has plenty of iffy material of it's own, it's extremely disingenuous to try to keep the rest of the Bible out of this discussion of the relative evils of Islamic and Christian scripture, especially when, as Cato pointed out, the selected quote from Mandy isn't even from the Koran.

188 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:19:11am

12 steps to freedom.

Step 1: Stop listening to Pat Condell.

Step 2: Stop reading Jihad Watch.

...

189 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:19:17am

Dangit. I wish there was a way to block individual Google ads, because I'm really getting annoyed by the Newt Gingrich "Lame Duck Petition" getting spammed in every ad window.

190 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:19:34am

re: #181 Ericus58

Hadith's are hardly considered secondary literature in regards to the Koran and the Prophet Mohammad, Cato.
You know that.

Yes they are. Hadiths can be dismissed as inauthentic, and frequently are, unlike verses of the Koran. Didn't you know that?

191 iossarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:20:49am

re: #187 Jimmah


To be honest, I've given up with the whole "Christianity is good, Mooslem is teh evil" argument. Now I just tell irritating Christians* to STFU and turn the other cheek.

* Which, of course, is a small subset of the overall Christian population.

192 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:21:05am

re: #172 Lidane

Completely OT, but speaking of back to school, I start my grad school orientation today. I'm on my way out the door now.

Shh...don't tell WND this, but I saw unburned copies of Darwin's On the Origin of the Species at the campus bookstore yesterday-- near the Bibles that were assigned for the religious studies classes, no less! And this was at a private, Catholic university. It's not even one of those godless state schools that's destroying our children. Who will think of the children?

Every time I read about what these people indoctrinate their kids with, I weep for the future. It's tragic.

Catholics manage to somehow understand that scientific knowledge does not undermine a belief in God.

193 wee fury  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:21:39am

re: #185 Gus 802

The headline at CNN reads, "Murder charges sought against mom in children's deaths." Had she been a Muslim it would have already been linked as "Murder charges sought against Muslim mom in children's deaths."

I don't agree. The MSM is careful not to use those kind of tags.

194 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:22:29am

re: #193 wee fury

I don't agree. The MSM is careful not to use those kind of tags.

The keyword in my statement is linked. If you know what I mean. I'm talking about the 101st Fighting Keyboardist types.

195 wee fury  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:23:19am

re: #194 Gus 802

The keyword in my statement is linked. If you know what I mean. I'm talking about the 101st Fighting Keyboardist types.

ahh, sorry.

196 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:23:29am

I found this and posted it a while back -- fits neatly into the anti-thought philosophy being espoused by these folks.

And this guy is running for office. As Republican.

Geez, if we teach them to actually THINK, they might ask a question or two. Can't have that, you know.

197 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:24:06am

re: #180 HoosierHoops

Hi Jimmah! How is Ice doing?

Hi Hoops. She's still in read-only mode just now because of her recent finger injury. She's happily reading and directing me to do the chores/decorating nthat she can't manage herself right now. She tells me she's glad you are reunited with Winston, and sends her congrats:)

198 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:26:50am

re: #165 Cato the Elder

Oh, and Mandy, the passage you quote about Jews hiding behind rocks and trees is not from the Koran; it is a hadith.

You can find plenty of similar horrors in secondary Christian literature.

Ignoramus.

Wot no downding from Ericus? LOL

199 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:27:32am

re: #192 reine.de.tout

And that current fact is evidence that a monolithic entity is capable of (eventual) change.

(I picture Galileo in the ether, going "oh, right -- NOW you get it....")

:)

200 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:29:41am

re: #199 Slap

And that current fact is evidence that a monolithic entity is capable of (eventual) change.

(I picture Galileo in the ether, going "oh, right -- NOW you get it...")

:)

Yes.
And can remain imperfect in other areas (lack of any sort of reasonable response to the priestly pedophiles).

201 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:32:30am

re: #199 Slap

And that current fact is evidence that a monolithic entity is capable of (eventual) change.

(I picture Galileo in the ether, going "oh, right -- NOW you get it...")

:)

And naturally, my positive comment about Catholics cannot be allowed to stand, can it, without some sort of caveat about how STUPID the Church was at some point.

So . . . I figured I'd one-up ya.

re: #200 reine.de.tout

Yes.
And can remain imperfect in other areas (lack of any sort of reasonable response to the priestly pedophiles).

202 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:34:07am

re: #175 Jimmah

That's the most pathetic piece of disingenuous twaddle I've seen for a while here.

I disputed Mandy's post, giving reasons - reasons you claim to agree with. But my comment deserved a downding nonetheless, according to you.

This is the moment when you should question who it is that downdings posters out of spite and personal dislike. (That would be you.)

And that is not true. But you are welcome to your flawed opinion.

203 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:35:31am

re: #194 Gus 802

The keyword in my statement is linked. If you know what I mean. I'm talking about the 101st Fighting Keyboardist types.

Since it appears that Duley will be charged in the childrens' deaths, how long do you think that it will take the race-baiting approach since she is an African-American woman?

I see the FoxNews comments to the news story already have, but since they've got some genuine (as in posting supremacist website links in comments) Stormfronters commenting there, that really isn't too surprising.

204 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:36:42am

re: #177 Gus 802

Yet again, John Bolton doesn't know what he's talking about.

So within a few sentences he contradicts his own palmistry. Drudge of course has it blaring on his page.

Iran has two operational enrichment facilities, with plans to build a third (with the goal of ten).

The US has ONE.

The fuse is already lit.

205 Wayne A. Schneider  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:37:29am

Here’s something your kids won’t get for sure in a traditional school – “Nothing From Everything: The Impossibility of Atheistic Evolution” by Ray Comfort. You don’t want your kids believing they are the products of random chance and millions of years of evolution.

What is so difficult to understand? We ARE here as a result of random chance. And, no, there isn't any "purpose" to Life other than what you decide to do with your own. We ARE here on this planet because the conditions necessary for creatures like us to exist at all exist on this planet. It's not that the planet was made just for us, or that we were made just for this planet. The planet exists, and it has certain characteristics that make it possible for creatures like us to exist on it.

Why do people have such a hard time accepting that?

206 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:39:49am

re: #181 Ericus58

Hadith's are hardly considered secondary literature in regards to the Koran and the Prophet Mohammad, Cato.
You know that.

"Hadith (Arabic: الحديث al-ḥadīth, pronounced: /ħadiːθ/; pl. aḥādīth; lit. "narrative") are narrations concerning the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence.[1] Hadith were evaluated and gathered into large collections mostly during the reign of Umar ibn AbdulAziz during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law and history to this day. The two main denominations of Islam, Shi`ism and Sunnism, have different sets of Hadith collections.

Sacred hadith

Hadith Qudsi' (or Sacred Hadith) are a sub-category of hadith, which are sayings of Muhammad. Muslims regard the Hadith Qudsi as the words of God (Arabic:Allah), repeated by Muhammad and recorded on the condition of an isnad. According to as-Sayyid ash-Sharif al-Jurjani, the Hadith Qudsi differ from the Qur'an in that the former were revealed in a dream or through revelation and are "expressed in Muhammad's words", whereas the latter are the "direct words of God"."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

207 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:41:26am

re: #202 Ericus58

And that is not true. But you are welcome to your flawed opinion.

I'm afraid it is true Ericus. There was nothing especially disrespectful or 'attacking' about my comments to Mandy upthread. Several posters here disputed Mandy's comments, in fact one actually called her an ignoramus - yet you chose to downding mine alone, and then tried to justify it with a personal attack, while claiming I was the one engaging in such atacks.

You have won the biggest hypocrite for the day award. Don't forget to collect your Golden Turkey on the way out.

208 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:41:52am

re: #201 reine.de.tout

Ah, but there was no malice or snark intended. I think that the Church's ability to change over time is a good thing (though they are more than a little slow in dealing with that which you mentioned....).

209 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:42:38am

re: #171 Gus 802

I read that earlier. Granted, President Obama is facing some real political challenges but it's not because of Park51. It was a rather dumb piece of writing overall.

I see that both Hot Air and Drudge have already featured the Roger Simon article.

210 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:44:08am

re: #208 Slap

Ah, but there was no malice or snark intended. I think that the Church's ability to change over time is a good thing (though they are more than a little slow in dealing with that which you mentioned...).

It appears I am unduly cranky today, my apologies to you.

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:44:13am

re: #205 Wayne A. Schneider

Here’s something your kids won’t get for sure in a traditional school – “Nothing From Everything: The Impossibility of Atheistic Evolution” by Ray Comfort. You don’t want your kids believing they are the products of random chance and millions of years of evolution.

What is so difficult to understand? We ARE here as a result of random chance. And, no, there isn't any "purpose" to Life other than what you decide to do with your own. We ARE here on this planet because the conditions necessary for creatures like us to exist at all exist on this planet. It's not that the planet was made just for us, or that we were made just for this planet. The planet exists, and it has certain characteristics that make it possible for creatures like us to exist on it.

Why do people have such a hard time accepting that?

Because.
1. We're not special.
2. We're not part of some larger plan that can used for control by a bureaucracy in return for a promised reward afterwards.
3. We'd then have to think and make responsible decisions since we're obviously not the puppets of a higher power.

212 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:45:42am

re: #187 Jimmah

Apart from the fact that the NT has plenty of iffy material of it's own, it's extremely disingenuous to try to keep the rest of the Bible out of this discussion of the relative evils of Islamic and Christian scripture, especially when, as Cato pointed out, the selected quote from Mandy isn't even from the Koran.

And it is extremely disingenuous for you or anyone else that hold The Bible to strict interpretations and judgments - but not any other religious writings or holy books.

That's a double standard.

213 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:52:32am

re: #207 Jimmah

I'm afraid it is true Ericus. There was nothing especially disrespectful or 'attacking' about my comments to Mandy upthread. Several posters here disputed Mandy's comments, in fact one actually called her an ignoramus - yet you chose to downding mine alone, and then tried to justify it with a personal attack, while claiming I was the one engaging in such atacks.

You have won the biggest hypocrite for the day award. Don't forget to collect your Golden Turkey on the way out.

Jimmah, you are too absorbed with yourself.

Did I not wish you and Ice a happy and loving life together?
In fact, I have updinged you and we've even replied back to each other in threads past.

thanks, I like Turkey... gee, a gold one too.

214 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:53:54am

re: #212 Ericus58

And it is extremely disingenuous for you or anyone else that hold The Bible to strict interpretations and judgments - but not any other religious writings or holy books.

That's a double standard.

I'm not doing anything of the sort - can't you read? I'm simply countering Mandy's claim that Islamic scriptures are uniquely violent/intolerant by pointing out that similarly violent and intolerant passages can be found in the Bible.

Mandy is of course quite happy to do with Islam what you just incorrectly accused me of doing with Christian Scriptures, but you have no problem with that, do you? Your Golden Turkey of hypocrisy has just been festooned with the petals of the Fail Flower. Congratulations on a fine morning's work.

215 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:56:37am

re: #213 Ericus58

Jimmah, you are too absorbed with yourself.

Did I not wish you and Ice a happy and loving life together?
In fact, I have updinged you and we've even replied back to each other in threads past.

thanks, I like Turkey... gee, a gold one too.

Fuxache. I'm not on any vendetta against you. If you say nice or reasonable things - I'll give you an upding. (Unlike you, who somehow finds a way to downding and attack posts that you claim to agree with.)

216 darthstar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:57:19am

I prefer the Greek gods, with all their imperfections...becoming so enamored with us mortals that they come down and bang us silly - who wouldn't want to screw Aphrodite, Persephone or Demeter? Though they did tend to hold a grudge if you crossed them. But at least you didn't have to fear eternal damnation after you died (talk about a chickenshit fear with no weight to it)...no, if you fucked up and pissed off the wrong god he'd kick your ass right then and there.

But the current mythologies that people get wrapped up in do have their place in society. I mean, if it wasn't for a book that said "love thy neighbor" can you imagine how some of these politicians would be acting right now? Whooee!

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:00:55am

re: #216 darthstar


But the current mythologies that people get wrapped up in do have their place in society. I mean, if it wasn't for a book that said "love thy neighbor" can you imagine how some of these politicians would be acting right now? Whooee!

A lot more "Hail Eris" tattoos?

;)

218 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:01:27am

Just recieved the latest instructions from the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000, so I'm off for another round of household chores. See you all later :)

Leaving you with this classic from 'Foetus' :

Youtube Video
219 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:03:48am

I have to say I wonder what WND and its legions say to the Catholics who raise their children with a belief in evolution. I disagree with the RCC on a lot of important issues but I appreciate that not only have they not compared belief in evolution to being like a Nazi, they realize that evolution is legitimate.

220 Claire  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:04:23am

Nobody gives a shit who you upding or downding or why.

221 Steve Dutch  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:06:11am

Wow, a copy of the Constitution for 99 cents! For those who can't figure out how to Google it and print it off at home. Of course, it's a pocket copy for kids who are too feeble to fold paper.

222 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:06:35am

re: #216 darthstar

Sodom and Gomorrah? /oh wait.... that sounds a wee bit like the Reid v. Angle race in NV.

223 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:49am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

I have to say I wonder what WND and its legions say to the Catholics who raise their children with a belief in evolution. I disagree with the RCC on a lot of important issues but I appreciate that not only have they not compared belief in evolution to being like a Nazi, they realize that evolution is legitimate.

I agree.
As well as to the many Protestants who similarly have no problem with The Theory of Evolution and their Faith.
As well as Jews, Muslims, Hindu......

224 darthstar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:12:41am

re: #222 lawhawk

Sodom and Gomorrah? /oh wait... that sounds a wee bit like the Reid v. Angle race in NV.

That's so Old Testament.

225 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:13:13am

re: #223 Ericus58

I agree.
As well as to the many Protestants who similarly have no problem with The Theory of Evolution and their Faith.
As well as Jews, Muslims, Hindu...

Yep of course. Honestly I don't know why people feel their religious beliefs are threatened by evolution and science as a whole. Some of the best scientists were people of faith who wanted to understand the natural world better.

226 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:13:56am

re: #125 RogueOne

That he understands why they would feel like any mosque built that close, close enough for landing gear to land on the building, is an unnecessary provocation.

Dems running for office are freaking out about the presidents statement. Do you think republicans will run from Christie in the same manner?

Why would building a mosque there be any more provocative than having a Burlington Coat Factory, or any other type of facility? Can you explain in clear and concise terms exactly what is provocative about it??

227 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:14:56am

"Capt. Barak Raz of the IDF Spokesperson's Unit responds to the disgraceful behavior of the former IDF soldier who uploaded shameful pictures to her facebook profile.

The pictures show her posing inappropriately next to Palestinians who had been arrested. The behavior displayed by this former soldier is not only disgraceful but in total opposition to the values and ethical code upheld by the Israel Defense Forces."

This former soldier of the IDF has placed not just her former comrades-in-arms in a terrible position, but the nation of Israel itself.
Shame on her selfish actions.
There should be a penalty to be paid.

Youtube Video
228 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:16:48am

re: #222 lawhawk

Sodom and Gomorrah? /oh wait... that sounds a wee bit like the Reid v. Angle race in NV.

Thread Winner!

229 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:17:43am

re: #208 Slap

I sincerely doubt you could do much for which to apologize on my account. I am absolutely certain that I'm far more likely to make an idiotic comment than you, on any given day.....You managed to be gentle and gracious, even when you thought you were being touchy. That's unique and amazing all by itself.

230 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:17:44am

re: #226 Fozzie Bear

Reid knows why. The ADL knows why. Gov. Patterson knows why. The question is why don't you know why?

231 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:18:52am

re: #230 RogueOne

Reid knows why. The ADL knows why. Gov. Patterson knows why. The question is why don't you know why?

I asked you. Not Reid, the ADL, or Patterson. You. Can you answer the question, or perhaps quote a specific talking point if that proves too difficult?

232 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:21:15am

re: #231 Fozzie Bear

I asked you. Not Reid, the ADL, or Patterson. You. Can you answer the question, or perhaps quote a specific talking point if that proves too difficult?

No, I'm tired of people playing dumb. You know the answer, everyone knows the answer. It's not even worthy of a strawman argument since it's all straw. I asked an honest question, why don't you understand why this could be seen as poor taste? Is your sympathy meter on the fritz?

233 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:22:45am

I see the "Ignorant of Comparative Religious Studies" Brigade is out in force today.

234 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:22:53am

re: #232 RogueOne

No, I'm tired of people playing dumb. You know the answer, everyone knows the answer. It's not even worthy of a strawman argument since it's all straw. I asked an honest question, why don't you understand why this could be seen as poor taste? Is your sympathy meter on the fritz?

Ok, so you can't answer the question, a very simple and straightforward question?

235 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:23:14am

Hey, Lawhawk --

Kinda OT, but I was wondering if you've seen this yet:

Ed Meese on the Prop 8 Ruling

I'm no attorney, but I sure can read -- and as a layperson, this rationale seems kinda sloppy. What's your take?

(As an aside, one of my favorite literary possessions is a copy of the Report of the Attorney General on Pornography -- or whatever it was called -- summarizing the Meese Commission's work. It's one of the great works of comedy in Western literature. So I'll admit to having more than a little distrust of Ed's judgment.....)

236 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:19am

re: #233 Cato the Elder

I see the "Ignorant of Comparative Religious Studies" Brigade is out in force today.

Yes, I'm here.
But I try to stay silent, I know full well the extent of my ignorance on this topic.

237 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:31am

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

OK I am back.

Small announcement. Looking at the sick stuff the stalkers, Hotair, RSM, PJM, Fox comments etc... routinely post, has honestly colored my view of people too much. I do believe that they are representative of the sickness that is in America. For that they bear watching.

But I am not going to do it anymore. That much concentrated crazy makes you start thinking the world is even more messed up than it is.

It is sufficient to follow the news to see how twisted these creatures are.

I am simply not going to look at them again for quite some time.

i feel the same. my local newspaper, huffpost and TPM have trolls that just say stupid crap all the time, and i decided a few months ago that i wouldn't venture into the comments section. after that, i actually felt a lot better.

one thing i do know, being on LGF is great because Charles has pretty good control over stupid trolls. and if he's not here, we got the down-ding button. :P

238 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:44am

re: #210 reine.de.tout

I meant this for you, Reine....

I sincerely doubt you could do much for which to apologize on my account. I am absolutely certain that I'm far more likely to make an idiotic comment than you, on any given day...You managed to be gentle and gracious, even when you thought you were being touchy. That's unique and amazing all by itself.

Hit the wroong "reply" button.....

239 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:48am

re: #234 Fozzie Bear

It's been answered, multiple times. How about the question I posed to you? Could it be that by acknowledging that reasonable people can disagree on the appropriateness of the location robs some of labeling their political opponents as bigots?

240 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:25:17am

Ed Meese is still alive? When Frank Zappa is dead?

There's something terribly wrong with this world.

241 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:25:36am

Jon Stewart on Park 51 last night -

Comedy Central Video
242 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:26:16am

re: #239 RogueOne

It's been answered, multiple times. How about the question I posed to you? Could it be that by acknowledging that reasonable people can disagree on the appropriateness of the location robs some of labeling their political opponents as bigots?

I'd be happy to answer, once you have answered the very simple and straightforward question I posed you:

"Why would building a mosque there be any more provocative than having a Burlington Coat Factory, or any other type of facility? Can you explain in clear and concise terms exactly what is provocative about it?"

It is customary, and considered polite, to answer a question with a statement, not another question. Please answer the question. It's a really simple one.

243 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:26:17am

The Tea Party Chronicles....
Ray Bradbury hates big government: 'Our country is in need of a revolution'

“I think our country is in need of a revolution,” Bradbury said. “There is too much government today. We've got to remember the government should be by the people, of the people and for the people.”

244 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:26:19am

re: #233 Cato the Elder

I see the "Ignorant of Comparative Religious Studies" Brigade is out in force today.

My neice just got back from SA. I've mentioned before my sister is muslim, married to a saud and part of a polygamous marriage. I have a funny story to share but I'm late for lunch with my mother-in-law.

BBIAB. Try to be nice to each other for 10 minutes people.

245 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:27:00am

re: #240 Cato the Elder

I guarantee you I will NEVER carve an Ed Meese jackolantern.

You heard it here first.

246 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:27:09am

re: #240 Cato the Elder

Ed Meese is still alive? When Frank Zappa is dead?

There's something terribly wrong with this world.

Everything happens for a reason... that doesn't mean the reason is good.

247 avanti  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:29:01am

Obama, a one term President ?

248 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:33:27am

Now the "conservatives" and Harry Reid are taking the tack that it may be legally correct for the Mosque to be built but is it the right thing to do?

Since I cannot divine the developers intent by mind reading and speculation I will assume they really want to have a place to worship and meet as a community. Until someone provides evidence of nefarious motives they are just talking out of turn.

A Christian response to any perceived affront would be to welcome the center and show support so that any anger or resentment on the part of those building the center would have no place to be expressed and in the long term they it would be a demonstration of Christian love that the world could see. The bonus is that America would have the moral high ground.

A great example of this (for those of you who love to compare this to a Klan rally) is in 1964 when the Black Lincolnville neigborhood in St. Augusta Florida was marched through by the Klan. Instead of returning hate and anger the residents stood on their porches and started singing the Gospel hymn “I love everybody, I Iove everybody, I love everybody in my heart…”

The Klansmen did not find the fight they wanted and walked away embarassed and shamed.

So you tell me WWJD?

249 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:33:33am

re: #212 Ericus58

And it is extremely disingenuous for you or anyone else that hold The Bible to strict interpretations and judgments - but not any other religious writings or holy books.

That's a double standard.

I somehow feel disinclined to bandy words with someone who thinks the "the" in "the Bible" needs to be capitalized.

250 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:35:10am

re: #249 Cato the Elder

I somehow feel disinclined to bandy words with someone who thinks the "the" in "the Bible" needs to be capitalized.

Book 'em Cato!

251 avanti  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:36:20am

re: #249 Cato the Elder

I somehow feel disinclined to bandy words with someone who thinks the "the" in "the Bible" needs to be capitalized.

Cato, you may find this a interesting read.America has disgraced itself.

252 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:36:35am

re: #248 DaddyG


So you tell me WWJD?

Reminds me of a guy I know who has a friend who's a professional carpenter. He had a bumpersticker on his truck that said:

WWJC -- What Would Jesus Charge?

Carpenter humor.....

253 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:37:35am

Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin to build a mosque lead rally at Lincoln Memorial on anniversary of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech.

Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally, with former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin among the scheduled speakers, will take place on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, 47 years to the day after Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his famous "I Have a Dream" speech there.

"There will be absolutely no politics involved," he said. "This rally will honor the troops, unite the American people under the principles of integrity and truth, and make a pledge to restore honor within ourselves and our country."

Lovely inherent contradiction in that second paragraph, but hey. Let the fun begin.

A poster at Fark said:

You know what would be a fun little flash mob sort of exercise for this gathering? Get all the friends you can to show up on the mall for this thing...and get them to get their friends, and get those friends to bring some more. But the thing is, everybody dresses up in the closest thing to a burqa that they can throw together. Or a veil, or a headdress, or just flowing robes. Lots of fake beards, too. If you can find a Koran to carry around, carry that. More daring people could carry Iranian or other middle eastern flags. Just show up on the mall and do nothing. No shouting, no instigating, no acting provocative or anything else. Just stand around. Be seen. Get as close to the front as you can. I'd really like to see that. And if you have an in with any actual Muslim groups...well, hell, they should be trucking people in by the thousand. There should be a Million Muslim March on DC right on that day, and it should end at the Lincoln Memorial to hear Beck and Palin speak.

I endorse this idea.

254 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:38:20am

re: #253 negativ

Derp, forgot the link.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

255 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:38:39am

re: #226 Fozzie Bear

Why would building a mosque there be any more provocative than having a Burlington Coat Factory, or any other type of facility? Can you explain in clear and concise terms exactly what is provocative about it??

Well, I'm not surprised a bear muppet would find a Burlington Coat Factory provocative. All that use of fur and/or carpet.

/

256 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:38:46am

re: #247 avanti

Makes sense to me...

257 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:39:47am

I am a Christian and have zero problems with evolution or science. I love them both. I think of science as man just reverse engineering what God created.

Why is something so simple so divisive? If you believe in God, any God, why feel threatened? Isn't your faith strong enough to understand that it is ok (even desired) for the created to be interested in and inquisitive of what has been created? Shouldn't this be a way to get closer to God?

258 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:40:00am

re: #253 negativ

Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin to build a mosque lead rally at Lincoln Memorial on anniversary of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech.

Lovely inherent contradiction in that second paragraph, but hey. Let the fun begin.

A poster at Fark said:

I endorse this idea.

That would be ... awesome!

Do you have links for that? I want to read the source...

259 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:42:24am

re: #251 avanti

Cato, you may find this a interesting read.America has disgraced itself.

I have to admit, I feel completely embarrassed over this incident.

260 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:43:37am

re: #248 DaddyG

Nice post, by the way.

261 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:44:44am

re: #243 Killgore Trout

I do not always agree with him but I do just admire the heck out of that mind. He makes excellent points-Not enough manned space exploration and too much internet. As in too much that tends to facilitate stalkers and digital bullies. What's next- texting each other at dinner?

262 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:45:09am

re: #259 JasonA

I have to admit, I feel completely embarrassed over this incident.

A great commentary on it.

I can't help but think that this whole mosque controversy is explicable in a lot simpler political terms than the explanations we have been seeing from pundits and commentators, i.e., that Republicans are promoting a clash of civilizations, shifting away from George W. Bush's position on Islam, etc.

Republicans ALWAYS run on symbolic issues. Their substantive positions are not popular. People don't like tax cuts for the rich, they don't like endless military commitments, they don't like corporatism, they don't like lax regulations, etc. So Republicans always pick some symbolic, unimportant issue and make it sound like it's the most important thing in the world. This is nothing more than the flag factory, the swift boats, and Reverend Wright all over again.

This is pure obfuscation. It's not an "issue" in terms of national policy. And yet, it's issue #1 now. Wtf.

263 Michael McBacon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:46:09am

"You don't want your kids believing they are the products of random chance and millions of years of evolution."

That durn Darwin! Keep 'em believin', keep 'em 'Murikan.

264 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:49:09am
Once upon a time, Republicans were so confident that the vast majority of Muslims preferred freedom to jihad that they believed the U.S. could install democracy in Iraq within months. Now, confronted with a group of Muslim Americans who want to build a cultural center that includes Jews and Christians on the board (how many churches and synagogues do that?), GOP leaders call them terrorists because they don’t share Benjamin Netanyahu’s view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Once upon a time, the “war on terror” was supposed to bring American values to Saudi Arabia. Now Newt Gingrich says we shouldn’t build a mosque in Lower Manhattan until the Saudis build churches and synagogues in Mecca—which is to say, we’re bringing Saudi values to the United States. I wonder how David Petraeus feels about all this. There he is, slogging away in the Hindu Kush, desperately trying to be culturally sensitive, watching GIs get killed because Afghans believe the U.S. is waging a war on Islam, and back home, the super-patriots on Fox News have… declared war on Islam.

from here

265 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:49:26am

Did anyone else get an email from Markos of Kos? I am registered there with the same nic as here. Get this, he addressed it to "moderatewingconspirator"
Anyway I'm not at all sure ending the filibuster is a good idea long term.

"moderatewingconspirator,

Welcome to the Daily Kos action email list.
Today we're launching a campaign to end the filibuster. Join this campaign by clicking the link below and signing the petition that appears:

Ending the filibuster starts here!

Here's how signing the petition makes a difference.

We'll deliver the petition to every Democratic nominee for Senate and every returning Democratic Senator. When we do, we'll get them on record about whether they agree that the rules of the Senate can, and should, be changed with a simple majority vote on the first day of Congress next year.

Once 51 returning and potential Senators have come out in support, we'll have proven that changing Senate rules is possible with a simple majority vote.

Sign the petition, prove change is possible!

There's no bigger decision Senate Democrats will make next year. The Senate is where good legislation goes to die. Democrats can either change a system that allows a tiny unaccountable minority to thwart the will of the country, or they can continue being part of the problem.

Sign the petition, join the campaign!

Let's get started,

Markos Moulitsas

Founder, Daily Kos

266 Michael McBacon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:53:15am

re: #251 avanti

"And oh yes, my fellow Jews, who are so thrilled to be locked arm in arm with the heirs of Pat Robertson and Father Coughlin against the Islamic threat. Evidently, it’s never crossed your mind that the religious hatred you have helped unleash could turn once again against us. Of course not, we’re insiders in this society now: Our synagogues grace the toniest of suburbs; our rabbis speak flawless English; we Jews are now effortlessly white. Barely anyone even remembers that folks in Lower Manhattan once considered us alien and dangerous, too."

Mr. Beinart said it better than I could.

267 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:53:21am

re: #236 reine.de.tout

Hi!
Saw in the LA Times they are delaying the relief well for safety reasons, worried about a 1000 psi pressure spike. I do recall you telling me how dangerous the relief well can be. Heck, just about everything you posted comes out later as correct from the parties most involved.

Well done.

268 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:56:56am

re: #267 Rightwingconspirator

Hi!
Saw in the LA Times they are delaying the relief well for safety reasons, worried about a 1000 psi pressure spike. I do recall you telling me how dangerous the relief well can be. Heck, just about everything you posted comes out later as correct from the parties most involved.

Well done.

:-)
My info, of course, comes from a source I consider to be impeccable (The Roi).

269 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:58:00am

re: #265 Rightwingconspirator

I noticed when I checked DKos this morning I got a pop up asking me to subscribe to email alerts. Their plan to end the filibuster is probably stupid. I'm not a big fan of the filibuster but partisans only want to get rid of it when they're in power. Once they lose power they'll fight like hell to keep it.

270 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:58:37am

So I've got this electronic smokeless cigarette, delivers a dose of nicotine in a puff of steam, you can "smoke" it like you do a cigarette, but don't get any of the nasty smoke smell or ill-effects.

It should be as satisfying to the craving, but for some reason it isn't. Habit? Argh. Wish I could just quit.

271 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:59:59am

re: #270 reine.de.tout

So I've got this electronic smokeless cigarette, delivers a dose of nicotine in a puff of steam, you can "smoke" it like you do a cigarette, but don't get any of the nasty smoke smell or ill-effects.

It should be as satisfying to the craving, but for some reason it isn't. Habit? Argh. Wish I could just quit.

I tried those too. Didn't work for me.

272 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:00:30am

re: #270 reine.de.tout

So I've got this electronic smokeless cigarette, delivers a dose of nicotine in a puff of steam, you can "smoke" it like you do a cigarette, but don't get any of the nasty smoke smell or ill-effects.

It should be as satisfying to the craving, but for some reason it isn't. Habit? Argh. Wish I could just quit.

It's been working like a charm for me. What model did you get?

273 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:00:49am

re: #265 Rightwingconspirator

The design of the US senate was to limit the directly elected mob in the House from pushing populist legislation on a whim, whereas the Senate (with its longer term in office) could deliberate matters with a longer view. The filibuster is an extension of that process - and the unintended effects of eliminating the filibuster might not be to Kos' liking - especially if the GOP regains control.

274 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:00:57am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

I tried those too. Didn't work for me.

*sigh*
Did you quit, though, some other way?

275 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:01:25am

re: #272 JasonA

It's been working like a charm for me. What model did you get?

"Smoking Everywhere Gold", it's called.

276 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:02:14am

re: #274 reine.de.tout

*sigh*
Did you quit, though, some other way?


The Bible says if thine eye offend thee pluck it out. I've yet to find out how to live without lungs however. /

277 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:05:42am

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Funny how he re addressed my nic. I even logged in to make sure my old nic is still good. I think he is not aware of the tongue in cheek meaning of the term as I use it. I rarely post there. Maybe 3 or 4 times in a couple years. My pov is not terribly welcome there.

I agree with you. Short term issues are not good reason for long term structural changes. Reducing the use of the filibuster might be a good idea. not sure how to objectively get there though.

278 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:05:57am

re: #275 reine.de.tout

"Smoking Everywhere Gold", it's called.

Oy. I just looked it up. First of all, it comes with 16mg strength juice. That's too low for a real smoker. Go 24mg or don't even bother.

Also, that seems like one of those crappy e-cigs you get in a mall kiosk. Something based on the 510, like the Joye eGo, is a great place to start.

I swear, these crappy companies are doing more to hurt this product than help it.

279 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:07:57am

Sarah invokes some, shall we say, "slightly dodgy" language:

The "9/11 mosque" is a "stab in the heart."

Of course, I doubt she has any idea that she's toying with some loaded terms, there.

Image: Stab-in-the-back_postcard.jpg

280 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:08:05am

re: #278 JasonA

Oy. I just looked it up. First of all, it comes with 16mg strength juice. That's too low for a real smoker. Go 24mg or don't even bother.

Also, that seems like one of those crappy e-cigs you get in a mall kiosk. Something based on the 510, like the Joye eGo, is a great place to start.

I swear, these crappy companies are doing more to hurt this product than help it.

It is one I got at a mall kiosk, primarily because I could get the refills there.
I got the strongest cartridge they had; I'll check to see if it's 16 or 24. I may have to try one of the others. It's a great idea; it just needs to be a sufficient jolt to reduce the craving for the real thing.

281 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:10:19am

re: #274 reine.de.tout

*sigh*
Did you quit, though, some other way?

I used Chantix a couple years ago. I worked really well but unfortunately I started smoking again after being clean almost a year. I've been working on quitting again by smoking on a schedule and slowly expanding the time between smokes. It does work ok but takes a sustained discipline effort.

282 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:10:28am

re: #280 reine.de.tout

I'd be very interested in your results. As would the Mrs.

283 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:11:06am
He just doesn't get it, that this is an insensitive move on the part of those Muslims who want to build that mosque in this location. It feels like a stab in the heart to, collectively, Americans who still have that lingering pain from 9/11.

Ah, Sister Sarah - "Those Muslims"

284 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:11:48am

re: #269 Killgore Trout

I noticed when I checked DKos this morning I got a pop up asking me to subscribe to email alerts. Their plan to end the filibuster is probably stupid. I'm not a big fan of the filibuster but partisans only want to get rid of it when they're in power. Once they lose power they'll fight like hell to keep it.

i dunno, the republicans have abused the filibuster to a record degree this past year.

285 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:12:14am

re: #280 reine.de.tout

It is one I got at a mall kiosk, primarily because I could get the refills there.
I got the strongest cartridge they had; I'll check to see if it's 16 or 24. I may have to try one of the others. It's a great idea; it just needs to be a sufficient jolt to reduce the craving for the real thing.

Ohh no no no. You need to get yourself some good juice, and you'll have to go online for that. This is what I'm vaping right now. They're not all created equal. Some will have better vapor production and throat hit than others.

As for the cig itself, the following is a good starter model:

Youtube Video
286 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:13:40am

re: #283 Stanley Sea

Ah, Sister Sarah - "Those Muslims"

It's every third word: Muslims.

I'm actually sitting in my apartment wondering why someone that promised to call before noon yesterday (regarding a project) hasn't called since. I even sent an email and left two other messages.

I've gotten to the point where I think people that are always thinking about Muslims have some kind of privileged life that allows them to spend their every hour thinking about Muslims.

287 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:15:51am

re: #127 Romantic Heretic

'Artificial intelligence expert' Snerk.

How can you fake something when you don't know what it is?

Some approaches to "programming" computers can be characterized as non-procedural, or goal-oriented. See PROLOG. If computers and programming are outside your range of interests, you might find the following intriguing.
Welcome to the BEAM Wiki

The word "BEAM" in BEAM robotics is an acronym for Biology, Electronics, Aesthetics, and Mechanics. It represents an approach to robotics that primarily relies on simple analog circuits instead of microprocessors or microcontrollers. BEAMers employ unusually simple designs (in comparison to traditional mobile robots) that trade some flexibility for greater robustness and efficiency in performing the task for which they are intended.
BEAM principles focus on stimulus-response based ability within a machine. The underlying concept (initially developed by Mark W. Tilden) is that a circuit configuration (or a neural network) referred to as a "Nervous Net" or "Nv net" that is made up of simple artificial neurons (called Nervous neurons or Nv neurons) is used to mimic (at least in part) the functions of biological neurons and nervous systems.
288 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:16:38am

re: #284 deranged cat

i dunno, the republicans have abused the filibuster to a record degree this past year.

They have indeed. But, it cuts both ways. I don't know how I feel about the filibuster, per se, but I do know that if the current crop of lunatics in the GOP were to gain power, I would want it in place.

289 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:17:00am

I read this morning that someone will/should open a coffee shop in lower Manhattan called "hollowed grounds"

290 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:18:16am

re: #289 Stanley Sea

I read this morning that someone will/should open a coffee shop in lower Manhattan called "hollowed grounds"

Hmm. That gives me an idea for another shop.

We can call it Chock Full of Nuts Wingnuts. /

291 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:18:46am

re: #289 Stanley Sea

I read this morning that someone will/should open a coffee shop in lower Manhattan called "hollowed grounds"

The WTC Mariott was owned by Mormons who don't drink coffee. How could you be so insensitive?! //

292 Buck  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:19:27am

re: #281 Killgore Trout

I used Chantix a couple years ago. I worked really well but unfortunately I started smoking again after being clean almost a year. I've been working on quitting again by smoking on a schedule and slowly expanding the time between smokes. It does work ok but takes a sustained discipline effort.

I feel for you, addiction and bad habits are a money on your back.

I am just glad I don't have to do MY horrible addiction/habit in public....

293 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:21:11am

re: #291 DaddyG

The WTC Mariott was owned by Mormons who don't drink coffee. How could you be so insensitive?! //

Clearly a sign of unnecessary provocation! This must be stopped!

//

294 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:21:20am

re: #292 Buck

I feel for you, addiction and bad habits are a money on your back.

Ah -- a "truth" typo! If intentional, kudos.

If not, it's effective regardless.

295 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:21:58am

re: #279 negativ

Sounds like she took a play out of Chuck Schumer's playbook:

[Link: baseballcrank.com...]

The New York Sun mocks Chuck Schumer for overuse of a metaphor:

No sooner had [former] Senators [Connie] Mack and [John] Breaux unleashed their ideas on making the federal tax code more simple and fair than Senator Schumer unsheathed his rusty old dagger, describing the idea of eliminating the federal deduction for state and local taxes as "a dagger to the heart of the people of New York." Voters might be inclined to listen -- except for the fact that Mr. Schumer sees a dagger virtually everywhere he looks.
A 2003 plan for flexible work schedules instead of overtime? "A dagger to the heart of the middle class," Mr Schumer said, according to the Associated Press. A 2002 plan by federal regulators to urge Wall Street firms to establish backup facilities outside New York City? A "dagger pointed at the heart of New York," Mr. Schumer said, according to the Daily News. High gas prices? "A dagger at the heart of our economy," Mr. Schumer said in 2000, according to the New York Times. A unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood would be "a dagger through the heart of the peace process," Mr. Schumer said in 2000, according to the Agence France Presse.

Hate crimes "put a dagger in the heart of what America is all about," Mr. Schumer said in 1999, according to USA Today. A proposal to change the federal transportation funding formula was "a dagger pointed at" New York and California, Mr. Schumer said in 1999, according to the Washington Post. School vouchers? "Daggers that plunge into the heart of what is the American way," Mr. Schumer said in May 1999, according to the New York Post. Cuts in federal student aid? "A dagger to New York's college students," Mr. Schumer told Newsday in 1995.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Mr. Schumer sees daggers more often than a four-eyed knife thrower looking through a kaleidoscope.


(Emphasis added). Via Taranto.

296 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:22:11am

re: #294 Slap

Ah -- a "truth" typo! If intentional, kudos.

If not, it's effective regardless.

Yeah, I so don't miss dropping $10/day on smokes.

297 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:22:34am

re: #281 Killgore Trout

I used Chantix a couple years ago. I worked really well but unfortunately I started smoking again after being clean almost a year. I've been working on quitting again by smoking on a schedule and slowly expanding the time between smokes. It does work ok but takes a sustained discipline effort.

I quit once, by slow reduction. Like you, I started again.

Also quit (again, temporarily) using the patch, which I can no longer use because it breaks me out in a huge red itchy page whereever I put the thing.

Tried Zyban; it makes my heart race.
Ugh.


re: #282 Slap

I'd be very interested in your results. As would the Mrs.

I'll keep you posted on this.
From my previous quit attempts, I know it takes a minimum of a WEEK for whatever habits you have with smoking to begin to change. If I can stick with this for a week, I'll have a good beginning. It ain't easy (you know that).

298 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:22:37am

Hmmm... did anyone think that the World Trade Center hotel was somehow violative of the "sacred" ground perimeter?

After all, it was a hotel purpose-built to be next to the rebuilt WTC complex, including commanding views of the WTC memorial and museum when it's finally rebuilt.

299 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:22:39am

re: #292 Buck

I feel for you, addiction and bad habits are a money on your back.

I am just glad I don't have to do MY horrible addiction/habit in public...


Yet another benefit of the internet and personal computers. (Not that I'd know what you are referring to...)

300 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:22:51am

re: #288 Fozzie Bear

They have indeed. But, it cuts both ways. I don't know how I feel about the filibuster, per se, but I do know that if the current crop of lunatics in the GOP were to gain power, I would want it in place.

I feel like the Republicans' obstruction habit won't stop, and the Democrats, being the spineless-synonym-etc-etc guys they are probably won't filibuster as much. they'd probably just try to compromise with crazy-lunatic-bills. is that so far fetch'd? (honestly, i don't know. ive only followed politics for about 2 years)

301 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:24:33am

re: #298 lawhawk

Hmmm... did anyone think that the World Trade Center hotel was somehow violative of the "sacred" ground perimeter?

After all, it was a hotel purpose-built to be next to the rebuilt WTC complex, including commanding views of the WTC memorial and museum when it's finally rebuilt.

What next a Six Flags over Great Adventure Ground Zero? /

302 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:25:28am

re: #297 reine.de.tout

It ain't easy (you know that).

Boy howdy, that's the truth....

303 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:25:38am

Must be something new in human society. Typically we built monuments to victory instead of defeat.

304 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:26:54am

re: #300 deranged cat

I feel like the Republicans' obstruction habit won't stop, and the Democrats, being the spineless-synonym-etc-etc guys they are probably won't filibuster as much. they'd probably just try to compromise with crazy-lunatic-bills. is that so far fetch'd? (honestly, i don't know. ive only followed politics for about 2 years)

No, that sounds about right. Regardless, I would want to have the filibuster available for when the GOP gains power in the senate again. The Dems are indeed complete spineless pussies, but if something truly terrifying comes down the pike, I think they will still use the filibuster.

Yes, the original intent was as a last-ditch effort to stop extreme legislation, and the GOP is using it on every single bill they dislike as a matter of routine, effectively making the legislative process require a supermajority, it still scares me to contemplate what the GOP would do without it to hold them back.

305 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:27:29am

re: #301 Gus 802

What next a Six Flags over Great Adventure Ground Zero? /

You would have to work out the symbolism of Six Flags that represented the six flags that flew over Texas during its history:
-The United States
-The Confederate States
-Mexico
-Spain
-France
-The Republic of Texas

The Mexican and Confederate flags would be the most problematic I'm guessing.

/everything is loaded.

306 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:28:09am

re: #301 Gus 802

Well, we do have our rides (PATH Hill). And there are times where we've got significant waits between our rides. ////

307 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:28:40am

re: #295 rwdflynavy

Career phony baloney cheap shot politician Chuck Schumer can eat my shorts.

308 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:29:31am

re: #306 lawhawk

Well, we do have our rides (PATH Hill). And there are times where we've got significant waits between our rides. ///

And it will all be owned by the Japanese Chinese!!11ty /

309 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:30:22am

re: #297 reine.de.tout

I'll keep you posted on this.
From my previous quit attempts, I know it takes a minimum of a WEEK for whatever habits you have with smoking to begin to change. If I can stick with this for a week, I'll have a good beginning. It ain't easy (you know that).

Don't give up on this so soon. Get yourself a good unit and some nice juice. I've been at this for over nine days now, and haven't had an urge for a real cig since.

310 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:31:42am

re: #301 Gus 802

What next a Six Flags over Great Adventure Ground Zero? /

Depends on the flags... If they have crescents on them expect lots o'outrage...

311 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:32:26am

re: #309 JasonA

Don't give up on this so soon. Get yourself a good unit and some nice juice. I've been at this for over nine days now, and haven't had an urge for a real cig since.

Ok. you have the Joy eGo?

312 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:32:35am

re: #310 oaktree

Depends on the flags... If they have crescents on them expect lots o'outrage...

Heck yeah. Even if there isn't a crescent someone will find one. /

313 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:34:03am

re: #310 oaktree

Depends on the flags... If they have crescents on them expect lots o'outrage...

Look! Crescents!!11ty

314 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:36:04am

re: #309 JasonA

Don't give up on this so soon. Get yourself a good unit and some nice juice. I've been at this for over nine days now, and haven't had an urge for a real cig since.

I gave up alcohol 24 years ago and I still crave Guiness. What can I do about that?

315 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:36:19am

re: #313 Gus 802

Look! Crescents!!11ty

THEY'VE OVERRUN THE FRENCH BAKING INDUSTRY!

316 Slap  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:37:13am

re: #315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They've overrun the FBI??????

317 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:37:24am

re: #314 DaddyG
Consider it Sacrament??/

318 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:37:55am

re: #315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THEY'VE OVERRUN THE FRENCH BAKING INDUSTRY!

You know who else likes crescents don't you?

319 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:38:22am

Crescents and Pentagrams and Squares oh my!

320 jaunte  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:39:36am

re: #318 Gus 802

Mechanics?

321 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:40:51am

re: #311 reine.de.tout

Ok. you have the Joy eGo?

I wish I had gone with that one. What I should explain is that this is a very modular hobby. You have the battery, the atomizer, and the cartridge. The atomizer is where all the magic happens, and the cig I have, the Joye-510, has the same atomizer as the eGo. The battery I have is what sucks. Sucks really bad. But all I need to have an eGo is the battery.

The 510 atomizer is solid, and very well-liked in the vaping community. You really cannot go wrong. I highly recommend taking a look at vapersforum.com. You find a lot of good info there.

322 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:41:09am

re: #314 DaddyG

I gave up alcohol 24 years ago and I still crave Guiness. What can I do about that?

Convert?

323 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:42:47am

re: #322 JasonA

Convert?

Ben there- done that- not going to do it again in the forseeable eternal life.

I do wish someone at Guiness would make a good dealcoholized extra stout.

324 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:47:22am

re: #298 lawhawk

Hmmm... did anyone think that the World Trade Center hotel was somehow violative of the "sacred" ground perimeter?

After all, it was a hotel purpose-built to be next to the rebuilt WTC complex, including commanding views of the WTC memorial and museum when it's finally rebuilt.

I think this is fine as long as we don't allow Muslims to stay there.
//

325 CarleeCork  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:46:41am

re: #270 reine.de.tout

So I've got this electronic smokeless cigarette, delivers a dose of nicotine in a puff of steam, you can "smoke" it like you do a cigarette, but don't get any of the nasty smoke smell or ill-effects.

It should be as satisfying to the craving, but for some reason it isn't. Habit? Argh. Wish I could just quit.


When you are truly ready, you can and you will. The hubby and I quit together over three years ago.

326 hellosnackbar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:33:37pm

I wonder if they sell the recently published "Pat Condell Anthology" too?

327 Tigger2005  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:54:54pm

God is the Kwisatz Haderach!

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

They are also theologically challenged.

Any monotheist will tell you it is an article of faith that God knows the future.

Well... The definition of random, is an event that you could not predict.

But if you already know the future, you know the outcomes of all trials and no event is random - you already predicted it.

Simple question: Is flipping a coin random? As far as you are concerned, getting heads or tails is certainly random. Will a monotheist argue that God didn't know if it was going to be heads or tails? Of course not.

So just as in coin tosses, the measured randomness in evolutionary theory is random to us, but no problem for God, at least as far as any monotheist who knows what the word random actually means is concerned.

To argue otherwise is to limit the knowledge of God, which, is a doctrinal contradiction.

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:37:17pm

re: #89 MandyManners

All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:38:15pm

re: #89 MandyManners

Are you for real?

Show me a passage from the Koran that tells us to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Show me a passage from the New Testament that says trees and rocks will betray the Jews hiding behind them.

From the Hadith: Not one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.

330 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:19:01am

re: #48 Nick Schroeder

Nick: I agree absolutely. Furthermore, only one of the two sides' "crazies" believe we need a bloody overthrow of the U.S. government, after which the New Order creates a government based entirely on Bible law. More dangerous to our well-being than people hugging trees? I would argue so.

331 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:43:07pm

Remember the huge face-down over the filibuster, when the GOP was on a joy-ride? And some peacemakers worked out a way so that the dastardly "Nuclear Option" they threatened didn't commence?

Does anybody know of an analysis online telling about what could have been achieved by the Demo majority the past two years, if not for that pesky filibuster thing?


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