Evening Insanity Break: Whatever Lola Wants
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:14:30pm |
re: #1 Stanley Sea
I saw a mosque! (sorry)
We'll forgive you, as long as you hate on its congregation.
/wingnut
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Liberal Classic Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:18:26pm |
I met her in a club down in old Soho
Where you drink champagne and it tastes just like cherry cola
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freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:23:35pm |
A classic song for a dance routine.
The development of DSLRs turning into high-end "pro-am" video cameras has brought forth lots of creativity. I think video is in some sort of golden era, somewhat like still photography was 50 years ago.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:38:27pm |
A lousy year in the garden continues. We only had about 6-7 weeks of warm weather this year. My entire fall harvest made one large pot of soup. No tomatoes ripened this year so I had to use canned ones. Very tasty soup but a pretty meager harvest.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:39:14pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
According to the NRO, Oregon's cool summer means AGW is false.
Yeah, they posted that today.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:40:21pm |
re: #11 freetoken
According to the NRO, Oregon's cool summer means AGW is false.
Yeah, they posted that today.
Heh.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:40:27pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:40:30pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
A lousy year in the garden continues. We only had about 6-7 weeks of warm weather this year. My entire fall harvest made one large pot of soup. No tomatoes ripened this year so I had to use canned ones. Very tasty soup but a pretty meager harvest.
Everything in my garden got fried by sever heat and lack of rain. Incredibly my tomatoes & peppers have done great.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:41:38pm |
re: #13 freetoken
Weather delays Oregon wine grape harvest by 2 weeks to a month
OMG! Panic!
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KDS1 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:42:21pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:42:39pm |
re: #14 NJDhockeyfan
Peppers can be pretty tough in the dry heat. You're luck your tomatoes made it. They do require a fair bit of water.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:42:59pm |
re: #11 freetoken
According to the NRO, Oregon's cool summer means AGW is false.
Yeah, they posted that today.
It was just a blurb, but I don't get it either. Chicago had a hot summer by contrast, so Oregon's delayed harvest proves nothing.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:44:00pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
I know you like the National Review... but really, "Planet Gore" makes them look like idiots.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:44:07pm |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Peppers can be pretty tough in the dry heat. You're luck your tomatoes made it. They do require a fair bit of water.
How's the Frog Watch?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:44:57pm |
re: #19 freetoken
I know you like the National Review... but really, "Planet Gore" makes them look like idiots.
That's true. Thankfully, the main articles are still sane. But Planet Gore is dumb and wrong.
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Max Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:45:11pm |
What the hell is wrong with the Huffington Post?
It's a full moon so the moonbats are barking. They're pissed that the US walked out of Ahmadinejad's troofer rant.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:45:11pm |
SFZ: I just wanted to stop by and say I read earlier today about the loss of your MIL. My condolences to you & your hubby.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:46:03pm |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Peppers can be pretty tough in the dry heat. You're luck your tomatoes made it. They do require a fair bit of water.
My large garden is on a slight incline. The tomatoes this year are on the low bottom corner. I watered them a few time too. Watering didn't help anything else. My poor corn only went knee high before it turned crispy brown.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:46:41pm |
re: #20 Dark_Falcon
How's the Frog Watch?
Heh, I saw a frog game for the iPad in the app store yesterday and immediately thought of KT.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:48:02pm |
re: #20 Dark_Falcon
How's the Frog Watch?
Pretty good. I had a sighting about a week ago. There aren't many of them but they are still around. I've been working on keeping the neighborhood free range cats out of the yard to give the frogs a better chance. Later this winter I'll and a frog breeding bog onto my pond and hopefully have enough survivors in the spring for a fresh batch of tadpoles.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:49:09pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
I took my wife to visit my childhood home in Connecticut. When I was a kid, there were so many little leopard frogs. Now you're lucky if you see one.
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bear Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:50:50pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
The past 12 days without rain marked the longest number of dry days in September since 1973 here in SE Alaska according to Weatherunderground.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:52:05pm |
re: #27 Obdicut
I took my wife to visit my childhood home in Connecticut. When I was a kid, there were so many little leopard frogs. Now you're lucky if you see one.
A lot of the problem is environment and polution. I strongly suspect in my neighborhood it's the cats and rodents (from hippie compost piles). There are at least a dozen cats who used to frequent my back garden. We get raccoons here too. That's a whole lot of predators.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:54:19pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
A lot of the problem is environment and polution. I strongly suspect in my neighborhood it's the cats and rodents (from hippie compost piles). There are at least a dozen cats who used to frequent my back garden. We get raccoons here too. That's a whole lot of predators.
True. One of my neighborhood's cat was killed by a car last night. I found it this morning. Not a good omen to start the day.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:54:39pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
True. One of my neighborhood's cats was killed by a car last night. I found it this morning. Not a good omen to start the day.
PIMF
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:55:10pm |
re: #22 Max D. Reinhardt
What the hell is wrong with the Huffington Post?
It's a full moon so the moonbats are barking. They're pissed that the US walked out of Ahmadinejad's troofer rant.
It's a moonbat website. Always has been, always will be. I'm not surprised by that. The anti-Semitism is expected as well.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:55:14pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
Pretty good. I had a sighting about a week ago. There aren't many of them but they are still around. I've been working on keeping the neighborhood free range cats out of the yard to give the frogs a better chance. Later this winter I'll and a frog breeding bog onto my pond and hopefully have enough survivors in the spring for a fresh batch of tadpoles.
Killgore - once the "froggies" get big enough, the cats will leave them alone, I believe. They don't taste good, they put out some sort of icky stuff on their skin, I think. I know we're overflowing with frogs, and we've got raccoons, lots of cats, dogs, opossums, and a couple of neighborhood foxes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:57:20pm |
re: #23 CuriousLurker
SFZ: I just wanted to stop by and say I read earlier today about the loss of your MIL. My condolences to you & your hubby.
Thanks.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:57:28pm |
re: #33 reine.de.tout
Killgore - once the "froggies" get big enough, the cats will leave them alone, I believe. They don't taste good, they put out some sort of icky stuff on their skin, I think. I know we're overflowing with frogs, and we've got raccoons, lots of cats, dogs, opossums, and a couple of neighborhood foxes.
Yeah:
Poison
Many frogs contain mild toxins that make them unpalatable to potential predators. For example, all toads have large poison glands—the parotoid glands—located behind the eyes, on the top of the head. Some frogs, such as some poison dart frogs, are especially toxic. The chemical makeup of toxins in frogs varies from irritants to hallucinogens, convulsants, nerve poisons, and vasoconstrictors. Many predators of frogs have adapted to tolerate high levels of these poisons. Others, including humans, may be severely affected.
Oophaga pumilio, a poison dart frog, contains numerous alkaloids which deter predatorsSome frogs obtain poisons from the ants and other arthropods they eat;[19] others, such as the Australian Corroboree Frogs (Pseudophryne corroboree and Pseudophryne pengilleyi), can manufacture an alkaloid not derived from their diet.[20] Some native people of South America extract poison from the poison dart frogs and apply it to their darts for hunting,[21] although few species are toxic enough to be used for this purpose. It was previously a misconception the poison was placed on arrows rather than darts.
The common name of these frogs was thus changed from "poison arrow frog" to "poison dart frog" in the early 1980s. Poisonous frogs tend to advertise their toxicity with bright colours, an adaptive strategy known as aposematism. There are at least two non-poisonous species of frogs in tropical America (Eleutherodactylus gaigei and Lithodytes lineatus) that mimic the colouration of dart poison frogs' coloration for self-protection (Batesian mimicry).[22][23]
Because frog toxins are extraordinarily diverse, they have raised the interest of biochemists as a "natural pharmacy".The alkaloid epibatidine, a painkiller 200 times more potent than morphine, is found in some species of poison dart frogs. Other chemicals isolated from the skin of frogs may offer resistance to HIV infection.[24] Arrow and dart poisons are under active investigation for their potential as therapeutic drugs.[25]
The skin secretions of some toads, such as the Colorado River toad and cane toad, contain bufotoxins, some of which, such as bufotenin, are psychoactive, and have therefore been used as recreational drugs. Typically, the skin secretions are dried and smoked. Skin licking is especially dangerous, and appears to constitute an urban myth. See psychoactive toad.
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wee fury Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:58:28pm |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
Deepest sympathy to you and your family.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:59:10pm |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
Thanks.
Damn, I didn't know. Sorry for your loss. Prays for you and your family tonight.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:00:57pm |
re: #32 NJDhockeyfan
It's a moonbat website. Always has been, always will be. I'm not surprised by that. The anti-Semitism is expected as well.
They think we should just sit there and take it. Well, if the readers of HuffPo didn't like the walkout, they're really gonna hate November 2nd. >:D
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:01:06pm |
We're on day three. My husband says he doesn't think he's in denial, but maybe he's in denial about being in denial.
(He took a class a few years ago where they learned about the stages of grief.)
He's eating, he's bathing, he's watching TV and playing computer games. He seems OK.
I wish he would cry in front of me, but he really, really doesn't like to.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:01:37pm |
re: #33 reine.de.tout
Killgore - once the "froggies" get big enough, the cats will leave them alone, I believe. They don't taste good, they put out some sort of icky stuff on their skin, I think. I know we're overflowing with frogs, and we've got raccoons, lots of cats, dogs, opossums, and a couple of neighborhood foxes.
Hell, I've seen coyotes within 2 miles of my house.
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Max Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:05:16pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
They think we should just sit there and take it. Well, if the readers of HuffPo didn't like the walkout, they're really gonna hate November 2nd. >:D
It's because of their crap that Nov 2nd is going to be such a disaster.
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:06:29pm |
re: #28 bear
Not to mention the the fact that for the past 33 days, there has always been at least one Tropical Cyclone in the Atlantic. Matthew formed today, as an example.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:06:32pm |
re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist
It can take a while for the reality to sink in... to realize that someone is gone, really gone and never coming back.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:06:59pm |
re: #35 reine.de.tout
I don't think the Pacific tree frogs have a toxin. I have wondered about bringing one or two into the greehouse when I get it built but I'm not sure if I can train my cats not to eat the frogs.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:07:11pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
They think we should just sit there and take it. Well, if the readers of HuffPo didn't like the walkout, they're really gonna hate November 2nd. >:D
How does that make any sense, given that it was Obama's administration doing the walkout at the UN?
It's the right wing that's cozy with Alex Jones these days, remember.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:07:21pm |
re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist
I wish he would cry in front of me, but he really, really doesn't like to.
As a male, that is very understandable to me.
It just takes time.
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jaunte Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:08:09pm |
re: #40 Dark_Falcon
Hell, I've seen coyotes within 2 miles of my house.
Are you in the city of Chicago? We've had neighborhood warnings here (central Houston) to keep pets safe from coyotes. They don't make the same noise at night as their country cousins.
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TMRiddle Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:08:42pm |
Is there just a straight donation button? I'm not a fan of recurring fees and I don't particularly care if ads show up.
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bratwurst Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:09:20pm |
re: #48 TMRiddle
Is there just a straight donation button? I'm not a fan of recurring fees and I don't particularly care if ads show up.
The yellow button that says "Donate".
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:09:41pm |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:10:17pm |
re: #27 Obdicut
I took my wife to visit my childhood home in Connecticut. When I was a kid, there were so many little leopard frogs. Now you're lucky if you see one.
When I lived in Joshua Tree CA as a kid I'd wake up and run outside to see how many desert turtles would be in the yard.
Joshua Tree would have annual turtle races....... that stopped in the 70's when the turtles became hard to find.
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:11:09pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:11:15pm |
re: #45 Obdicut
How does that make any sense, given that it was Obama's administration doing the walkout at the UN?
It's the right wing that's cozy with Alex Jones these days, remember.
I credit Obama for that walk out; He gave the correct orders. But I still thing the Demos will lose big in November and that the moonbats will wail over it. That's all I was saying.
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Max Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:11:31pm |
I really love the new pages layout and the tweet counter.
Thank you again, Charles!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:12:10pm |
re: #52 Mr Pancakes
When I lived in Joshua Tree CA as a kid I'd wake up and run outside to see how many desert turtles would be in the yard.
Joshua Tree would have annual turtle races... that stopped in the 70's when the turtles became hard to find.
My father grew in Fresno. The neighbors kept a native tortoise as a pet in the yard. To keep it in place, they'd drilled a hole in its shell, and tethered it to a stake.
The tortoise was buddies with some of the local dogs. They learned to snap the string, so they could take the tortoise with them when they went running off somewhere.
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Digital Display Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:13:45pm |
re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist
We're on day three. My husband says he doesn't think he's in denial, but maybe he's in denial about being in denial.
(He took a class a few years ago where they learned about the stages of grief.)
He's eating, he's bathing, he's watching TV and playing computer games. He seems OK.
I wish he would cry in front of me, but he really, really doesn't like to.
We guys hate to cry...It is something to overcome not feel..We know the pain is bad..But refuse to let it get to us..Cause it's weakness deep inside..
There will be a moment in time in the future...When you 2 are alone and your soft questions of his feelings will bring the tears of healing to his eyes..
In that quiet moment of honesty and deep emotion your words can save his soul..Give it time...
Kind Regards
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Digital Display Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:15:18pm |
re: #51 Floral Giraffe
Full moon is tomorrow night.
Be prepared!
[Video]
Did you see the song I wrote last night about the Indiana Full moon?
It was pretty crappy but a lot of fun
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:15:51pm |
re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist
My father grew in Fresno. The neighbors kept a native tortoise as a pet in the yard. To keep it in place, they'd drilled a hole in its shell, and tethered it to a stake.
The tortoise was buddies with some of the local dogs. They learned to snap the string, so they could take the tortoise with them when they went running off somewhere.
Drilling a hole in it's shell to tether it is hard for me to grasp.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:18:32pm |
I'm sleepy, talk to you Lizards tomorrow.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:18:51pm |
re: #60 Mr Pancakes
Drilling a hole in it's shell to tether it is hard for me to grasp.
The hole is in a overhanging part of the shell with no nerve endings so the tortoise feels no pain and is not handicapped in any way.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:21:49pm |
re: #60 Mr Pancakes
Drilling a hole in it's shell to tether it is hard for me to grasp.
It was the '50s, what can I say?
All the tortoise care websites now tell you never to do that. But it did have the run of the whole yard, and would go on adventures when the dogs liberated it.
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researchok Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:22:13pm |
re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist
We're on day three. My husband says he doesn't think he's in denial, but maybe he's in denial about being in denial.
(He took a class a few years ago where they learned about the stages of grief.)
He's eating, he's bathing, he's watching TV and playing computer games. He seems OK.
I wish he would cry in front of me, but he really, really doesn't like to.
Denial is a part of the grieving process and necessary.
We are adamant about denial because denial allows us time to process the new and altered reality. For some people, denial is short lived lived, for others it is longer, sometimes up to a year.
Your husband may or may not need to cry. We all grieve in our own way. It is more important that he feels he can acknowledge his new reality whenever he is ready to do just that. It may be at a quiet time or it may be a time, event or place that triggers a memory.
Loss makes us feel less secure and more vulnerable. If he knows you 'have his back' he'll follow up at a time and place of his choosing.
Godspeed.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:22:54pm |
Liberal blogger directly confronts David Axelrod, accuses White House of "hippie punching"
Top Obama adviser David Axelrod got an earful of the liberal blogosphere's anger at the White House moments ago, when a blogger on a conference call directly called out Axelrod over White House criticism of the left, accusing the administration of "hippie punching."
"We're the girl you'll take under the bleachers but you won't be seen with in the light of day," the blogger, Susan Madrak of Crooks and Liars, pointedly told Axelrod on the call, which was organzied for liberal bloggers and progressive media.
...That tension burst out into the open when Madrak directly asked Axelrod: "Have you ever heard of hippie punching?" That prompted a long silence from Axelrod.
"You want us to help you, the first thing I would suggest is enough of the hippie punching," Madrak added. "We're the girl you'll take under the bleachers but you won't be seen with in the light of day."
Axelrod didn't engage on "hippie punching," but he said he agreed with the blogger. "To the extent that we shouldn't get involved in intramural skirmishing, I couldn't agree more," Axelrod said. "We just can't afford that. There are big things at stake here."
Madrak replied that Axelrod was missing the point -- that the criticism of the left made it tougher for bloggers like herself to motivate the base. "Don't make our jobs harder," she said.
Heh.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:24:09pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
It was the '50s, what can I say?
All the tortoise care websites now tell you never to do that. But it did have the run of the whole yard, and would go on adventures when the dogs liberated it.
I hear ya...... my dad caught a bobcat in our back yard in Los Angeles back in the 50's, killed it, and then skinned it........ I still have the pelt.
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:24:55pm |
Hate to drop a turd in the insanity break punchbowl, but:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Paladino as a viable candidate? Oh, puke.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:27:56pm |
re: #67 austin_blue
Hate to drop a turd in the insanity break punchbowl, but:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Paladino as a viable candidate? Oh, puke.
Another Day, Another Poll, and a Very Different Result
Just one day after a poll showed his Republican opponent, Carl P. Paladino, with surprising strength in a one-to-one matchup, a new survey from a different polling organization showed Mr. Cuomo with a far wider margin. The new poll (pdf), issued by the Siena Research Institute, showed Mr. Cuomo leading Mr. Paladino by 57 percent to 24 percent
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:28:54pm |
re: #66 Mr Pancakes
Yes, I have a couple of 6 foot rattlesnake pelts from the yard at my folks house. And a mountain lion pelt. The animals have now been forced into reduced country. Some of them like and are clever with their ease of eating our domesticated animals. Lost kitty, anyone?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:31:25pm |
re: #65 NJDhockeyfan
Liberal blogger directly confronts David Axelrod, accuses White House of "hippie punching"
Heh.
Obama is in a bit of a bind: He might be able to fire up his base a bit, but doing so means looking more liberal and risks the loss of moderates.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:31:42pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
I credit Obama for that walk out; He gave the correct orders. But I still thing the Demos will lose big in November and that the moonbats will wail over it. That's all I was saying.
But the 9/11 truthers, like Alex Jones, will gain with the GOP wins.
That's what I was saying.
Alex Jones is now a darling of the right.
Alex Jones is a 9/11 truther.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:31:45pm |
re: #71 Floral Giraffe
Yes, I have a couple of 6 foot rattlesnake pelts from the yard at my folks house. And a mountain lion pelt. The animals have now been forced into reduced country. Some of them like and are clever with their ease of eating our domesticated animals. Lost kitty, anyone?
Oh yea....... on occasion a mountain lion will eat a jogger or mountain biker here in So Cal.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:32:10pm |
The problem with lib bloggers like C&L is they think they alone represent the left. I for one as a strong liberal share the sentiment that I am glad that our UN delegation walked out during nutcase's speech and denied him what he wanted. Off topic but I finally saw the debut of Boardwalk Empire and wow awesome stuff.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:32:23pm |
re: #64 researchok
Denial is a part of the grieving process and necessary.
We are adamant about denial because denial allows us time to process the new and altered reality. For some people, denial is short lived lived, for others it is longer, sometimes up to a year.
Your husband may or may not need to cry. We all grieve in our own way. It is more important that he feels he can acknowledge his new reality whenever he is ready to do just that. It may be at a quiet time or it may be a time, event or place that triggers a memory.
Loss makes us feel less secure and more vulnerable. If he knows you 'have his back' he'll follow up at a time and place of his choosing.
Godspeed.
Before she passed, he told me that he knew my instinct would be to cuddle and commiserate, and try to get into his emotions. He told me not to. I'm trying hard.
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:32:39pm |
re: #69 Killgore Trout
Thanks, KT. You've given me me hope that the Tea Party whack-jobs have no legs.
/-/Semi-sarc and worried...
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:33:52pm |
re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist
*smooch*
Keep trying.
Be well.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:36:08pm |
re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist
Before she passed, he told me that he knew my instinct would be to cuddle and commiserate, and try to get into his emotions. He told me not to. I'm trying hard.
It's always tough to lose a relative. For me the toughest part has always been the funeral or wake rather than hearing about the actual death. You see the person in their coffin and it hits you that this is the last time I'm ever going to see this person and you try to say goodbye and its so hard. I still think about my paternal grandmother and maternal grandfather. Even think about my paternal grandfather even though he died almost ten years before I was born. You and your husband have my dearfelt sympathies for your loss.
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Digital Display Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:37:56pm |
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Kronocide Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:39:03pm |
re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist
Before she passed, he told me that he knew my instinct would be to cuddle and commiserate, and try to get into his emotions. He told me not to. I'm trying hard.
That's classic Man Woman stuff. It's OK, everybody deals in their own way. I didn't cry very much after my dad passed but got very emotional at my sister's wedding several months later.
When and how it comes we don't choose, the important thing is to let it happen if and when, don't try to make it happen or stop it from happening.
You might try to let him off chores for a few weeks and encourage extra beer drinking. It won't help with his grieving but it will be much appreciated!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:39:05pm |
re: #72 Dark_Falcon
Obama is in a bit of a bind: He might be able to fire up his base a bit, but doing so means looking more liberal and risks the loss of moderates.
He's losing support from everyone. His poll numbers show he's sailing a sinking ship. He made a lot of promises in order to get elected and now many of his supporters are leaving the Hope & Change ship.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:40:29pm |
re: #73 Obdicut
But the 9/11 truthers, like Alex Jones, will gain with the GOP wins.
That's what I was saying.
Alex Jones is now a darling of the right.
Alex Jones is a 9/11 truther.
For a time. But Jones will soon turn on the GOP if the party wins the House. They'll propose laws (even if just to embarrass and attack Obama) and Jones will see it as a conspiracy. He can only by in the opposition. Alex Jones can not work with those having any real power.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:41:29pm |
Revolting project demands response.
BBL.
*waves to favorite lurkers*
And posters.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:41:37pm |
re: #58 HoosierHoops
Hoops, you are a really cool guy. imhumbleo
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:41:40pm |
re: #81 HoosierHoops
What's kick'n Chick'n?
15 years ago, I thought about getting a job on the beach and moving there. Basically retiring. I didn't. Well, I just sent a resume to a place on the beach. Not much money, but I did the math. Enough to live and own a moped and just say fuck it. I kinda hope they call. Hope all is well with you in Norman.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:41:57pm |
A hilarious update on the wealthy blogger who threatened to fire his servants if Obama raises taxes on those making above $250,000 a year.
Instapundit linked to this: Will Law Professors Rally Around (A Conservative) One Of Their Own? (via google)
I feel for Mr. Henderson.But I wondered, how many law professors will come to his defense either privately or publicly?
There currently is circulating among law faculties around the country a fundraising letter in support of the Corboda mosque. The letter has been signed by over two hundred law professors. Here is the text, in pertinent part:
As law professors who spend our working lives trying to ensure that each succeeding generation can meet Benjamin Franklin's challenge–“We have given you a republic, if you can keep it”–we have decided to put our money where our principles are.You continue to be asked where your funding is coming from. We would be proud to have you say that part of it comes from us, a group of academics from across this nation dedicated to the spirit of freedom embodied in the First Amendment, to a nation in which every religious group is as free to worship, where and how they see fit, as every other.
We hope that our gesture, however small in absolute terms, encourages others who cherish our Constitutional principles to follow our lead.
I think a similar gesture of support for Mr. Henderson is in order.
Who's up for a fundraiser for professor who makes over $250,000 a year? I'd love to see this effort spread. Could you imagine PJM asking for paypal donations for the rich?
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:42:01pm |
re: #71 Floral Giraffe
Yes, I have a couple of 6 foot rattlesnake pelts from the yard at my folks house. And a mountain lion pelt. The animals have now been forced into reduced country. Some of them like and are clever with their ease of eating our domesticated animals. Lost kitty, anyone?
It's coyotes in Central Texas. Chomp chomp chomp. Kittehs and little dogs. I live two blocks from the Colorado River, immediately south of the urban core, and we have seen them here. They weren't wearing bandanas and howling.
Fucking pests.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:42:54pm |
re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar
15 years ago, I thought about getting a job on the beach and moving there. Basically retiring. I didn't. Well, I just sent a resume to a place on the beach. Not much money, but I did the math. Enough to live and own a moped and just say fuck it. I kinda hope they call. Hope all is well with you in Norman.
Mexico dude!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:43:38pm |
re: #82 BigPapa
That's classic Man Woman stuff. It's OK, everybody deals in their own way. I didn't cry very much after my dad passed but got very emotional at my sister's wedding several months later.
When and how it comes we don't choose, the important thing is to let it happen if and when, don't try to make it happen or stop it from happening.
You might try to let him off chores for a few weeks and encourage extra beer drinking. It won't help with his grieving but it will be much appreciated!
He doesn't even drink!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:43:57pm |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:44:29pm |
re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar
I can't work there. THEY HAVE LAWS!! OOH NOES!! Belize.
I worked in Mexico... it's easy!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:44:30pm |
re: #89 austin_blue
It's coyotes in Central Texas. Chomp chomp chomp. Kittehs and little dogs. I live two blocks from the Colorado River, immediately south of the urban core, and we have seen them here. They weren't wearing bandanas and howling.
Fucking pests.
You should see how they've changed the way deer act around here. The deer now move in much larger groups when they have fawns,
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:45:41pm |
re: #93 Mr Pancakes
I worked in Mexico... it's easy!
In Mexico, I just want to open an open pit BBQ on the beach. Should be easy.
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Digital Display Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:46:57pm |
re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar
In Mexico, I just want to open an open pit BBQ on the beach. Should be easy.
Club Cantina
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:47:17pm |
re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar
In Mexico, I just want to open an open pit BBQ on the beach. Should be easy.
Do it....... just marry a chiquita and put in in her name.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:48:10pm |
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:48:17pm |
re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar
15 years ago, I thought about getting a job on the beach and moving there. Basically retiring. I didn't. Well, I just sent a resume to a place on the beach. Not much money, but I did the math. Enough to live and own a moped and just say fuck it. I kinda hope they call. Hope all is well with you in Norman.
I would LOVE to go back to my moped days. (Puch)
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researchok Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:49:27pm |
re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist
Before she passed, he told me that he knew my instinct would be to cuddle and commiserate, and try to get into his emotions. He told me not to. I'm trying hard.
Understood.
Let me give you something to ponder.
It is easy to tell someone. 'I love you'. In fact, we are inclined to tell the object of our affections that we do love them, as often as possible.
The real trick is not so much to tell the object of our affections that we love them whenever we feel we ought to say it. The real trick is to tell them when they need to hear it.
We want to be there for loved ones, 24/7. That is our expression of love- it is about us.
We are far more wanted and appreciated when we wait for them to call.
That takes great discipline- and love.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:49:34pm |
re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar
In Mexico, I just want to open an open pit BBQ on the beach. Should be easy.
I used to want to visit Mexico but with all the violence getting worse every day I'll find a more friendly place to go.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:49:41pm |
I've had it with my job. First chance to bail, I'm out. With notice, of course.
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Kronocide Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:49:54pm |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
He doesn't even drink!
He drinks something. If not the Devil alcohol, his mistress coffee, or the neo angelic smoothie....
I bawled at my sister's wedding more than she did, that's when it came for me. It's comes a few times a year, sometimes no tears just a winsome moment here or there.
I can empathize you wanting to do something but being with loved ones and doing the usual seems to be what works for most.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:50:20pm |
re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've had it with my job. First chance to bail, I'm out. With notice, of course.
You gonna flounce at work?
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Kronocide Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:50:53pm |
re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar
15 years ago, I thought about getting a job on the beach and moving there. Basically retiring. I didn't. Well, I just sent a resume to a place on the beach. Not much money, but I did the math. Enough to live and own a moped and just say fuck it. I kinda hope they call. Hope all is well with you in Norman.
That's about 10% of the population of Kona. Scooters are big here.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:51:00pm |
re: #102 NJDhockeyfan
I used to want to visit Mexico but with all the violence getting worse every day I'll find a more friendly place to go.
Never been?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:51:20pm |
re: #105 NJDhockeyfan
You gonna flounce at work?
I'll give 2 weeks notice. But not 'til I have some where to go.
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prairiefire Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:54:05pm |
re: #106 BigPapa
That's about 10% of the population of Kona. Scooters are big here.
Kona rocks. I like to watch the eel hunters go out at sunset.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:55:19pm |
re: #107 Mr Pancakes
Never been?
No, never been out of the US. I saw Canada from across Lake Superior but that's it. I joined the Air Force to see the world and they sent me to Upper Michigan instead.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:55:43pm |
My job:
Boss: Why wasn't X done last night?
Me: I didn't work last night.
Boss: But it wasn't done.
Me: Didn't you work last night?
Boss: mumble....
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:56:37pm |
re: #98 Mr Pancakes
Do it... just marry a chiquita and put in in her name.
My cousin's wife is able to inherit property in Mexico, which is a rather nice thing to have in the family.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:56:41pm |
re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'll give 2 weeks notice. But not 'til I have some where to go.
Yes, get another job before you quite. Finding a job is not easy right now. I was unemployed for 4 months a year and a half ago. Before that I was never without a job for more than 2 weeks.
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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:56:45pm |
re: #105 NJDhockeyfan
You gonna flounce at work?
If he did decide on a work flounce, there is only one way to do it.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:56:56pm |
re: #110 NJDhockeyfan
No, never been out of the US. I saw Canada from across Lake Superior but that's it. I joined the Air Force to see the world and they sent me to Upper Michigan instead.
Come on down man....... I'll show you Mexico and I promise you'll be safe...... it will be the time of your life.
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jaunte Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:57:35pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
A hilarious update on the wealthy blogger who threatened to fire his servants if Obama raises taxes on those making above $250,000 a year.
Instapundit linked to this: Will Law Professors Rally Around (A Conservative) One Of Their Own? (via google)
I'll bet if he decides to cut costs by doing his own yard and housework it won't last a month.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:58:07pm |
re: #114 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
If he did decide on a work flounce, there is only one way to do it.
[Video]
AWESOME!!!
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:58:52pm |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
He doesn't even drink!
SFZ is this the first parent he's lost? I know it took me a long time to grieve my dad's passing. Took the form of raging hypochondria for about a year.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:59:51pm |
re: #115 Mr Pancakes
Come on down man... I'll show you Mexico and I promise you'll be safe... it will be the time of your life.
If I get the chance to go I will let you know. I would love to visit. I want to eat some real Mexican food.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:59:53pm |
re: #102 NJDhockeyfan
I used to want to visit Mexico but with all the violence getting worse every day I'll find a more friendly place to go.
I was last there for my cousin's wedding a couple of years ago, and we had a delightful time. One of my great-aunts lives there half the year.
I hope the travel situation gets less fraught at some point, because I really, really want to see Mexico City and its museums someday.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:00:21pm |
re: #118 PT Barnum
SFZ is this the first parent he's lost? I know it took me a long time to grieve my dad's passing. Took the form of raging hypochondria for about a year.
I took care of my dad for 14 months. I guess I saw it coming. I didn't even cry at the funeral.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:01:55pm |
re: #114 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
LOL!
VERY Kragaristan!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:02:07pm |
re: #118 PT Barnum
SFZ is this the first parent he's lost? I know it took me a long time to grieve my dad's passing. Took the form of raging hypochondria for about a year.
Yeah. First person close to him he's lost, I think.
It's going to take him time.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:02:34pm |
re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar
I took care of my dad for 14 months. I guess I saw it coming. I didn't even cry at the funeral.
My dad just kind of dropped dead in his fishing boat in a county lake in Missouri. Department of Natural Resources found him the next morning slumped over. Best part was, he had his limit.
We don't know for sure what killed him, since my mom was too shocked to remember to have an autopsy done. He was still holding his fishing pole, so we think it must have been a massive stroke or an anyeurism.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:03:56pm |
re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. First person close to him he's lost, I think.
It's going to take him time.
That makes it much harder.
I's sad, but sometimes you get almost used to losing loved ones.
(((SFV's husband))) and (((SFFV)))
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:04:33pm |
re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. First person close to him he's lost, I think.
It's going to take him time.
Tell him we're all thinking about him and wishing him a good recovery. I finally went to see a counselor to come to terms with it, which helped quite a bit. I wasn't really close to my Dad, so in some ways it was easier than it might have been otherwise. Best part of it was that I got to repair my relationship with my youngest sister, which I guess is something.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:05:02pm |
re: #124 PT Barnum
1. I'm sorry.
2. I bet he wouldn't have wanted to have it any other way.
3. Not making light of this situation.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:06:02pm |
re: #115 Mr Pancakes
Come on down man... I'll show you Mexico and I promise you'll be safe... it will be the time of your life.
Mr. P (we're neighbs I think)
We go down to Rosarita at LEAST 6 times a year. I'm ready for my next trip to La Fonda...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:06:06pm |
re: #124 PT Barnum
We don't know for sure what killed him, since my mom was too shocked to remember to have an autopsy done. He was still holding his fishing pole, so we think it must have been a massive stroke or an anyeurism.
My biological paternal grandfather (you got all that?) died in his own apartment, at nearly ninety, probably of a swift heart attack. They couldn't bury him for weeks because the damn Fresno coroner couldn't find a cause of death. (The man was nearly ninety! What the hell do you THINK killed him?)
He was two-thirds of the way through a sample three-pack of Viagra when he went, and left his shotgun loaded and neatly tucked behind the drapes. He wasn't part of my growing up, but I will admit that he left a hell of a legend. Five wives, too!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:06:10pm |
re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. First person close to him he's lost, I think.
It's going to take him time.
Well, he's lucky to have you standing by him.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:06:47pm |
re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar
1. I'm sorry.
2. I bet he wouldn't have wanted to have it any other way.
3. Not making light of this situation.
It was 6 years ago. Now I just miss him sometimes. My dad would have found the humor in the situation. That is the one thing I got from him that I really treasure, his sense of humor. Though he is also to blame for any number of pun threads I've started, so you may not all agree that it was a good thing. :)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:07:35pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
My biological paternal grandfather (you got all that?) died in his own apartment, at nearly ninety, probably of a swift heart attack. They couldn't bury him for weeks because the damn Fresno coroner couldn't find a cause of death. (The man was nearly ninety! What the hell do you THINK killed him?)
He was two-thirds of the way through a sample three-pack of Viagra when he went, and left his shotgun loaded and neatly tucked behind the drapes. He wasn't part of my growing up, but I will admit that he left a hell of a legend. Five wives, too!
I love him now.:)
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What, me worry? Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:08:29pm |
re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. First person close to him he's lost, I think.
It's going to take him time.
Are you familiar with On Death and Dying, by E. Kubler-Ross? It's an old book. It's a good book to read when you're helping a loved one through an illness, but also a comfort when grieving.
I'm keeping you both in my prayers.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:08:30pm |
re: #119 NJDhockeyfan
If I get the chance to go I will let you know. I would love to visit. I want to eat some real Mexican food.
Not only Mexican food but
Puerto Nuevo lobster! Lobster like you've never had it before......... 30 lobster restaurants in close proximity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:08:42pm |
re: #128 Stanley Sea
Mr. P (we're neighbs I think)
We go down to Rosarita at LEAST 6 times a year. I'm ready for my next trip to La Fonda...
I think I've written of this before, but when we went down for the cousin's wedding, my dad decided that I was going to be the member of the family who spoke Spanish and would ask for directions and deal with the natives.
Unfortunately, I don't really speak Spanish.
We went through Tijuana with me sticking my head out of the window and screaming "La playa Rosarito...donde?"
People would point. We got there.
It was pretty funny, in retrospect.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:08:48pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
My biological paternal grandfather (you got all that?) died in his own apartment, at nearly ninety, probably of a swift heart attack. They couldn't bury him for weeks because the damn Fresno coroner couldn't find a cause of death. (The man was nearly ninety! What the hell do you THINK killed him?)
He was two-thirds of the way through a sample three-pack of Viagra when he went, and left his shotgun loaded and neatly tucked behind the drapes. He wasn't part of my growing up, but I will admit that he left a hell of a legend. Five wives, too!
two thirds of the way through a sample pack of Viagra at 90? Holy crap! He's a legend in my mind.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:08:49pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
You tell a hell of a story, lady.
I think you got a bunch of your biological paternal grandfather in you!
DNA is an amazing thing!
Enjoy the gift!
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:08:52pm |
re: #94 Dark_Falcon
You should see how they've changed the way deer act around here. The deer now move in much larger groups when they have fawns,
Chicago, right? The forest preserves?
They are nasty dogs.
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prairiefire Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:09:30pm |
re: #134 Mr Pancakes
Not only Mexican food but
Puerto Nuevo lobster! Lobster like you've never had it before... 30 lobster restaurants in close proximity.
Yum.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:09:50pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
I was last there for my cousin's wedding a couple of years ago, and we had a delightful time. One of my great-aunts lives there half the year.
I hope the travel situation gets less fraught at some point, because I really, really want to see Mexico City and its museums someday.
The worst of the travel fraught? The 3 hour (or more) idling car, mind you, wait to cross north.
You show your passport and declare the booze. But your car! It suffers.
We always try to make the best of it. Be late in the eve. Be prepared, and spend money with the sellers along the line. It's more fun IF you buy the junk.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:10:48pm |
re: #134 Mr Pancakes
Not only Mexican food but
Puerto Nuevo lobster! Lobster like you've never had it before... 30 lobster restaurants in close proximity.
That's what my cousins go to Mexico for. Cheap amazing seafood.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:11:45pm |
re: #138 austin_blue
Chicago, right? The forest preserves?
They are nasty dogs.
One of the near suburbs, actually. But I live right near a forest preserve and I have seen coyotes there.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:13:23pm |
re: #128 Stanley Sea
Mr. P (we're neighbs I think)
We go down to Rosarita at LEAST 6 times a year. I'm ready for my next trip to La Fonda...
Hi Stanley! I lived in Rosarito for years........... La Fonda is worthy of a trip...... I like Las Salinas..... there are so many stops along the way to Ensenada.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:13:37pm |
re: #140 Stanley Sea
The worst of the travel fraught? The 3 hour (or more) idling car, mind you, wait to cross north.
You show your passport and declare the booze. But your car! It suffers.
We always try to make the best of it. Be late in the eve. Be prepared, and spend money with the sellers along the line. It's more fun IF you buy the junk.
My poor father's Catholic guilt started kicking badly. He was trapped in traffic with children begging at the windows of the car. It was difficult for him, especially after he ran out of money.
Also, we got sent the wrong way by a Tijuana traffic cop, and nearly ended up back at Las Rocas before we figured out how to turn around.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:15:20pm |
re: #140 Stanley Sea
The worst of the travel fraught? The 3 hour (or more) idling car, mind you, wait to cross north.
You show your passport and declare the booze. But your car! It suffers.
We always try to make the best of it. Be late in the eve. Be prepared, and spend money with the sellers along the line. It's more fun IF you buy the junk.
I did the line every day for years until I finally moved to Mexico.
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:16:18pm |
re: #124 PT Barnum
My dad just kind of dropped dead in his fishing boat in a county lake in Missouri. Department of Natural Resources found him the next morning slumped over. Best part was, he had his limit.
We don't know for sure what killed him, since my mom was too shocked to remember to have an autopsy done. He was still holding his fishing pole, so we think it must have been a massive stroke or an anyeurism.
My heart to you on the loss of your dad. Mine went much more slowly. Awful. But the funeral at Arlington was glorious. If you have never attended one, you have no idea. The Marines do it right. Blues at every intersection, slowly saluting the the caisson. Three F-18s in an empty slot formation. Bagpipes. 21 guns. Beautiful.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:16:27pm |
re: #145 Mr Pancakes
I did the line every day for years until I finally moved to Mexico.
I did lines every day for years too until I moved to Virginia.
Wait, are we talking about the same thing?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:16:34pm |
re: #145 Mr Pancakes
I did the line every day for years until I finally moved to Mexico.
You're in Mexico?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:17:17pm |
re: #116 jaunte
I'll bet if he decides to cut costs by doing his own yard and housework it won't last a month.
Quint: "You have city hands, Mr. Hooper. You been countin' money all your life."
/Jaws
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:17:31pm |
re: #147 NJDhockeyfan
I did lines every day for years too until I moved to Virginia.
Wait, are we talking about the same thing?
No. Yours was cut. Sorry.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:18:22pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:19:07pm |
re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist
We went to, I forget the camping ground name, one Easter, passed thru the border in Nogales, Dad didn't want to pay the $20 "mordida" to get out of the line, so we stood for 2-3 hours. Uncle finally paid the "mordida" and we had our permit in 10 seconds. They were hauling brown bags of $20's into the back room as fast as they could.
This is where we spent the week.
No water.
Magnificent!
[Link: www.si-sancarlos.com...]
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:19:11pm |
Time to go to bed...I will leave you with my Dad's all time favorite joke:
Did you hear about the Japanese call girl who went broke because nobody had a yen for her?
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:19:44pm |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:20:18pm |
re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar
You're in Mexico?
I moved back to the states .... I'm close to the border.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:21:47pm |
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:22:02pm |
re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist
I think I've written of this before, but when we went down for the cousin's wedding, my dad decided that I was going to be the member of the family who spoke Spanish and would ask for directions and deal with the natives.
Unfortunately, I don't really speak Spanish.
We went through Tijuana with me sticking my head out of the window and screaming "La playa Rosarito...donde?"
People would point. We got there.
It was pretty funny, in retrospect.
The beauty of travelling to Mexico. They want us to visit, they NEED us to visit. Severed heads fear mongering aside.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:25:52pm |
re: #156 NJDhockeyfan
Damn, how often do cars run out of gas waiting to get through?
I've had my car overheat on several occasions......... if your car stops, there are plenty of people that will help you push..... when you get up to the gate it gets dicey........
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:26:47pm |
My state executed a woman this evening.
Teresa Lewis is executed for 2002 murders
JARRATT — Teresa Lewis died by injection tonight for the murders of her husband and stepson in Pittsylvania County, the first execution of a woman in Virginia since 1912.
Lewis, 41, was pronounced dead at 9:13 p.m., Larry Traylor, spokesman for the Virginia Department of Corrections, announced outside the prison.Minutes earlier, given a chance to make a last statement, Lewis said: "I just want Kathy to know I love you and I'm very sorry."
The murders left Lewis' stepdaughter, Kathy Clifton, the only surviving member of her family.
About 8:50 p.m., Lewis' lawyer, James E. Rocap III, and her spiritual adviser, the Rev. Julie Perry, the chaplain at the Fluvanna Correctional Center for Women, entered the witness room after visiting with Lewis....Lewis was sentenced to death in 2003 for the Oct. 30, 2002, murder-for-hire slayings of her husband and stepson. Using sex and promises of money, she persuaded two men to kill for her in an effort to gain $250,000 in life insurance.
Julian Lewis, 51, and C.J. Lewis, 25, were hit with multiple shotgun blasts in their beds while Teresa Lewis stood by in the kitchen of the family trailer early that morning. As her husband was dying, she took his wallet, split the money inside it with the gunmen, and then waited 45 minutes to call for help.
Lewis was the secondary beneficiary of her stepson's life insurance policy, which meant both men had to die for her to collect. The shooters, Matthew Shallenberger, who was her lover, and Rodney Fuller, each were sentenced to life. The evidence led the judge to deem Lewis "the head of this snake," and he sentenced her to death.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:27:04pm |
re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist
My poor father's Catholic guilt started kicking badly. He was trapped in traffic with children begging at the windows of the car. It was difficult for him, especially after he ran out of money.
Also, we got sent the wrong way by a Tijuana traffic cop, and nearly ended up back at Las Rocas before we figured out how to turn around.
CLASSIC STORY
you are not alone. Oh what I could spill. And I'm one of 100K border crossers!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:28:05pm |
re: #160 NJDhockeyfan
My state executed a woman this evening.
She deserved it. I've got no sympathy for someone who had her stepson murdered.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:28:38pm |
re: #145 Mr Pancakes
I did the line every day for years until I finally moved to Mexico.
One of the guys working for us, he bought a motorcycle. Much quicker through the line...
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:29:04pm |
re: #158 Stanley Sea
Tell me about Las Salinas?
Well........ it's a great bar overlooking an incredible beach. The rooms are iffy, but hey it's Mexico.... right?
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:30:29pm |
re: #163 Stanley Sea
One of the guys working for us, he bought a motorcycle. Much quicker through the line...
That's the way to do it.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:33:40pm |
re: #156 NJDhockeyfan
Damn, how often do cars run out of gas waiting to get through?
IT'S TERRIBLE. 3 hours sometimes.
Needing to go to the bathroom after drinking all day? pure hell
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:33:57pm |
re: #160 NJDhockeyfan
My state executed a woman this evening.
Well, that makes everything better doesn't it! Killing people in the name of the State gives everyone closure. Oh wait, what was that commandment from God?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:35:54pm |
re: #167 austin_blue
Well, that makes everything better doesn't it! Killing people in the name of the State gives everyone closure. Oh wait, what was that commandment from God?
I have no sympathy for her. I wish the electric chairs were still being used. These murderers get what they deserve.
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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:40:05pm |
Working on the same color scheme for 40 guys can really get boring after a while.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:41:14pm |
re: #166 Stanley Sea
IT'S TERRIBLE. 3 hours sometimes.
Needing to go to the bathroom after drinking all day? pure hell
I peed in a bottle a couple of times....... over the years I think my worst wait was 2 1/2 hours after getting in a line that really wasn't a line.
Once I had a bag of heroin underneath my bumper.
An INS officer asked if she could place it there because they were training a new dog..... I said "sure as long as someone can confirm that you are doing that besides you".
Dog found it immediately, and they let me through the line like a rocket sled on rails.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:42:41pm |
A little advice...if anyone is planning to visit Atlanta, stay away from the Wyndham Garden Hotel.
4-Year-Old Contracts Herpes, Negative For HIV After Used Condom Incident
ATLANTA -- Like most children, Carmen Jones' 4-year-old wants to play with his toys and most of all be loved by his family.
But Jones said they can't show him love with kisses the way they used to.
"When the cold sores were active, he wanted to give me a kiss, especially in the hospital. I said, 'no sweetie -- you know -- not in the mouth, you can't kiss mommy.' He said, 'mommy you don't love me anymore?' And so, it was very, very --- very hurtful," said Jones.
Jones said doctors suspected her grandson had herpes, but they didn't know for sure until Friday when they got his test results.
"He tested negative for the HIV and the STD, but positive for the herpes. It's the oral herpes," said Jones.
Jones said her grandson got herpes after he put his mouth on a used condom, he found in their hotel bed when they stayed at the Wyndham Garden Hotel in downtown Atlanta.
When CBS Atlanta first broke the story on Monday, Jones said her grandson thought the dirty condom was a balloon.
"I ran out the bathroom and my grandson had a condom in his mouth. His tongue was in the condom and he was trying to blow it up," said Jones.
Jones said it happened Aug. 1. Her grandson got sick and blisters formed in his mouth.
She said the blisters are gone now and he is better, but he still doesn't understand why he can't show his love with kisses.
"We're very close and yes, he always wants to kiss on me and I want to kiss on him," said Jones.
Nasty! I am checking every bed in hotels from now on.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:44:46pm |
re: #164 Mr Pancakes
Well... it's a great bar overlooking an incredible beach. The rooms are iffy, but hey it's Mexico... right?
Nightmare/Fun Mexico visit:
Hit the road from Ensenada home. Hit debris on the road. 2 flat tires, 1 spare.
Got a tow truck to take the car to the shop, got a room on the beach. Nice?!
NO HEAT. NONE. It was cold as hell. We just blanketed up and body heated as much as possible, but brrrrr.
Today? A wonderful memory!!!!
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:46:37pm |
re: #172 NJDhockeyfan
Crikey. That's just fucked up. Poor kid.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:47:20pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:49:06pm |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:49:28pm |
re: #173 Stanley Sea
Nightmare/Fun Mexico visit:
Hit the road from Ensenada home. Hit debris on the road. 2 flat tires, 1 spare.
Got a tow truck to take the car to the shop, got a room on the beach. Nice?!
NO HEAT. NONE. It was cold as hell. We just blanketed up and body heated as much as possible, but brrr.
Today? A wonderful memory!!!
That's great..... I have a lot of cherished moments from Mexico like that. I also have many that will haunt me for life.
I like the Green Angels. If you break down on the toll road, they will do whatever they can to get you going again for free.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:49:49pm |
My condolences to SFZ on her and her husbands loss. I too have lost family. But as well as being devastating, it can also be funny. When my FIL passed away (Sudden cardiac arrest while bending over to pick up a can of Diet Pepsi), those who were with him at the time of death didn't have a clue on how to use a cell phone and tried to call my MIL to inform her of his death using his cell phone. The call went through, to an answering machine. The befuddlement as to what to tell her as well as the confusion about wether or not the call went through was a riot. It had a kind of Monty Python humor about it. She played the tape at his Celebration of Life Ceremony (A Family Tradition that I want when I go vs a morbid funeral). It had everyone laughing, including those who had been there. I like to think that my FIL was there laughing as well.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:50:35pm |
re: #171 Mr Pancakes
I peed in a bottle a couple of times... over the years I think my worst wait was 2 1/2 hours after getting in a line that really wasn't a line.
Once I had a bag of heroin underneath my bumper.
An INS officer asked if she could place it there because they were training a new dog... I said "sure as long as someone can confirm that you are doing that besides you".
Dog found it immediately, and they let me through the line like a rocket sled on rails.
A few years ago I assume. Total danger to do that now. I'd be writing Mr. Pancakes letters in the ICE jail (best case scenario)
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:53:40pm |
re: #179 Stanley Sea
A few years ago I assume. Total danger to do that now. I'd be writing Mr. Pancakes letters in the ICE jail (best case scenario)
10 years ago....... she did have a badge and a gun. Her partner with badge and gun signaled "A-OK"........ I figured it was a story I could tell my grand-kids.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:55:28pm |
re: #157 Stanley Sea
The beauty of travelling to Mexico. They want us to visit, they NEED us to visit. Severed heads fear mongering aside.
Also, Mexicans are exceedingly charmed when foreigners try to speak Spanish. Doubled over giggling, sometimes, but charmed.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:56:05pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, Mexicans are exceedingly charmed when foreigners try to speak Spanish. Doubled over giggling, sometimes, but charmed.
Shaaa... they just laugh at me.
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:59:02pm |
re: #180 Mr Pancakes
10 years ago... she did have a badge and a gun. Her partner with badge and gun signaled "A-OK"... I figured it was a story I could tell my grand-kids.
hell yeah!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:00:12pm |
re: #178 Bubblehead II
My condolences to SFZ on her and her husbands loss. I too have lost family. But as well as being devastating, it can also be funny. When my FIL passed away (Sudden cardiac arrest while bending over to pick up a can of Diet Pepsi), those who were with him at the time of death didn't have a clue on how to use a cell phone and tried to call my MIL to inform her of his death using his cell phone. The call went through, to an answering machine. The befuddlement as to what to tell her as well as the confusion about wether or not the call went through was a riot. It had a kind of Monty Python humor about it. She played the tape at his Celebration of Life Ceremony (A Family Tradition that I want when I go vs a morbid funeral). It had everyone laughing, including those who had been there. I like to think that my FIL was there laughing as well.
My great-aunt had the USC fight song played at her graveside.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:00:29pm |
Does SCOTUS Justice Scalia really deserve to be a judge?
Leave it to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia to argue that the Constitution does not, in fact, bar sex discrimination.
Even though the court has said for decades that the equal-protection clause protects women (and, for that matter, men) from sex discrimination, the outspoken, controversial Scalia claimed late last week that women's equality is entirely up to the political branches. "If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex," he told an audience at the University of California's Hastings College of the Law, "you have legislatures."
The extremists in the GOP must love this guy.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:00:42pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, Mexicans are exceedingly charmed when foreigners try to speak Spanish. Doubled over giggling, sometimes, but charmed.
People tend to like it when they find that you're honestly trying to relate to them and make things easier for them.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:01:02pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, Mexicans are exceedingly charmed when foreigners try to speak Spanish. Doubled over giggling, sometimes, but charmed.
You know.... maybe I'm missing the "charm" part. For years when my wife said "Saca la basura pendejo" I thought it meant "I love you honey".
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Stanghazi Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:01:07pm |
Breaking (sorry to be the bearer of bad news)
Eddie Fisher dies at 82
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:01:32pm |
re: #187 Mr Pancakes
You know... maybe I'm missing the "charm" part. For years when my wife said "Saca la basura pendejo" I thought it meant "I love you honey".
And weren't you happy thinking so?
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prairiefire Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:01:47pm |
re: #166 Stanley Sea
IT'S TERRIBLE. 3 hours sometimes.
Needing to go to the bathroom after drinking all day? pure hell
I would need my special "waiting at the border" can.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:01:56pm |
re: #189 Stanley Sea
Breaking (sorry to be the bearer of bad news)
Eddie Fisher dies at 82
Bummer...... good age to reach though.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:02:16pm |
re: #189 Stanley Sea
Breaking (sorry to be the bearer of bad news)
Eddie Fisher dies at 82
I saw him perform maybe twenty years ago...at a Bay Area Council for Soviet Jewry fundraiser.
Baruch dayan emet.
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:03:20pm |
re: #169 NJDhockeyfan
I have no sympathy for her. I wish the electric chairs were still being used. These murderers get what they deserve.
Then you admit that the Bible is incorrect when the Word came down from God that "Thou Shall No Kill".
I mean, that's pretty clear, isn't it?
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:03:30pm |
re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist
And weren't you happy thinking so?
Yea for awhile...... because I didn't have to take out the trash.
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:04:50pm |
re: #194 austin_blue
Then you admit that the Bible is incorrect when the Word came down from God that "Thou Shall Not Kill".
I mean, that's pretty clear, isn't it?
Pimf
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:04:59pm |
re: #185 eclectic infidel
Does SCOTUS Justice Scalia really deserve to be a judge?
The extremists in the GOP must love this guy.
It's not theocracy. He is an adherent to a very limited view of what the courts may do. And he's Catholic, so the Dominionists don't want him.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:06:35pm |
Landrieu to block OMB nominee unless oil drilling ban lifted
A Gulf Coast Democrat is vowing to block Senate confirmation of President Obama’s budget director until the administration agrees to lift or ease a federal freeze on deepwater oil-and-gas drilling.
Sen. Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) hold on Jacob Lew, Obama’s widely praised pick to run the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), marks a dramatic political escalation of her battle against the temporary drilling ban, imposed as a safety measure after the BP oil spill.
And it reflects a broader frustration among Gulf Coast lawmakers at what they call economically devastating limits on drilling.
“Due to the administration’s unwillingness to reverse or modify its policies that have halted all deepwater and nearly all shallow-water energy exploration, I cannot in good conscience allow this nomination to proceed until I receive a commitment from Mr. Lew, the president or another senior economic adviser to reverse these policies, which have been so detrimental to working families across the Gulf Coast,” Landrieu wrote in a letter Thursday to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).
Good for her. It's good to see a politician supporting the unemployed oil workers down there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:07:37pm |
re: #194 austin_blue
Then you admit that the Bible is incorrect when the Word came down from God that "Thou Shall No Kill".
I mean, that's pretty clear, isn't it?
Without supporting the death penalty, which I generally don't, there are some pretty clear verses that also support it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:07:50pm |
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:08:45pm |
re: #185 eclectic infidel
Does SCOTUS Justice Scalia really deserve to be a judge?
The extremists in the GOP must love this guy.
Scalia's a caveman.
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:11:03pm |
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:11:09pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:11:36pm |
re: #194 austin_blue
Then you admit that the Bible is incorrect when the Word came down from God that "Thou Shall No Kill".
I mean, that's pretty clear, isn't it?
I think that's a mistranslation. As I've been told, it's meant as "thou shalt not murder". Otherwise, it would seem to require pacifism.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:12:19pm |
re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist
Without supporting the death penalty, which I generally don't, there are some pretty clear verses that also support it.
I support the death penalty...... I'm an agnostic, I have no religious axe to grind. My understanding is that "Thou shalt not kill" means murder.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:13:09pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:19:38pm |
re: #194 austin_blue
Then you admit that the Bible is incorrect when the Word came down from God that "Thou Shall No Kill".
I mean, that's pretty clear, isn't it?
............................................
re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist
Without supporting the death penalty, which I generally don't, there are some pretty clear verses that also support it.
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
I think that's a mistranslation. As I've been told, it's meant as "thou shalt not murder". Otherwise, it would seem to require pacifism.
re: #206 Mr Pancakes
I support the death penalty... I'm an agnostic, I have no religious axe to grind. My understanding is that "Thou shalt not kill" means murder.
Well there you have it austin_blue, any questions?
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austin_blue Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:20:35pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
I think that's a mistranslation. As I've been told, it's meant as "thou shalt not murder". Otherwise, it would seem to require pacifism.
Ah, as you've been told. How convenient. Seems to me that "thou shalt not kill" means "thou shalt not kill". Plain text is plain text.
Of *course* other people want to change the meaning. Unfortunately, many of them claim the primacy of the Bible. Which is hypocritical to the Nth degree
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:20:49pm |
re: #206 Mr Pancakes
I support the death penalty... I'm an agnostic, I have no religious axe to grind. My understanding is that "Thou shalt not kill" means murder.
Careful though. Some folks will freak out if you say "Thou shalt not kill". I grew up with that phrase but was reminded that it had been revised to "Thou shalt not murder". Many people still use "Thou shalt not kill". Some say neither is the correct translation.
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rhino2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:21:18pm |
Evening lizards, was just checking in before heading to bed and looking at the top 10 comments, noticed I was in there - yay for my first time making it there! :)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:24:21pm |
re: #209 austin_blue
Ah, as you've been told. How convenient. Seems to me that "thou shalt not kill" means "thou shalt not kill". Plain text is plain text.
Of *course* other people want to change the meaning. Unfortunately, many of them claim the primacy of the Bible. Which is hypocritical to the Nth degree
It doesn't say "thou shalt not kill."
It wasn't written in English.
Can someone give him the Hebrew?
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:24:48pm |
re: #210 Gus 802
Careful though. Some folks will freak out if you say "Thou shalt not kill". I grew up with that phrase but was reminded that it had been revised to "Thou shalt not murder". Many people still use "Thou shalt not kill". Some say neither is the correct translation.
Being agnostic I can throw my hands up and say "who knows, who cares?"
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:26:34pm |
'Lo tirtsach' is reasonably translated as 'you shall not murder'.
That said...
The Gemara says that a Sanhedrin that imposed the death penalty more than once in seven years was called a bloody court. Other sources say more than once in seventy.
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rhino2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:27:15pm |
And as far as the correct translation for that commandment, if it truly is "Thou shalt not kill" then the Old Testament is the most inconsistent piece of writing ever. Pretty sure Goliath and a lot of people in Jericho etc. would argue that translation.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:27:27pm |
re: #212 EmmmieG
It doesn't say "thou shalt not kill."
It wasn't written in English.
Can someone give him the Hebrew?
How about this explanation?
The Jewish sages note that the word “ratsakh” applies only to illegal killing (e.g., premeditated murder or manslaughter) — and is never used in the administration of justice or for killing in war. Hence the KJV translation as “thou shalt not kill” is too broad.
Since man is made in the image of God, his life is infinitely precious — only God Himself has the right to give and take life. In the Mishnah it is written, “Why was only one man (i.e., Adam) created by God? — to teach that whoever takes a single life destroys thereby a whole world.”
But murder can be figurative as well as literal. The Talmud notes that shaming another publicly is like murder, since the shame causes the blood to leave the face. Moreover, gossip or slander are considered murderous to the dignity of man. The Pirkei Avot (Ethics of the Fathers) states, “The evil tongue slays three persons: the utterer of the evil, the listener, and the one spoken about…” The Lord Jesus also linked the ideas of our words and attitudes with murder (see Matt. 15:19).
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:27:52pm |
re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist
'Lo tirtsach' is reasonably translated as 'you shall not murder'.
That said...
The Gemara says that a Sanhedrin that imposed the death penalty more than once in seven years was called a bloody court. Other sources say more than once in seventy.
'tirtzach'
Sorry.
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:28:46pm |
re: #213 Mr Pancakes
Being agnostic I can throw my hands up and say "who knows, who cares?"
As an atheist I feel about the same. Either translation comes from a man created document.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:32:27pm |
re: #218 Gus 802
As an atheist I feel about the same. Either translation comes from a man created document.
I respectfully disagree.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:33:50pm |
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rhino2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:35:32pm |
Past my bedtime, will pay for it tomorrow.
Goodnight everyone :)
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:35:47pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
I think that's a mistranslation. As I've been told, it's meant as "thou shalt not murder". Otherwise, it would seem to require pacifism.
Do any of you have a scofield bible? The footnotes have the various translations/transliterations. "Murder' sounds like one of the implications from the Greek translation. If I recall, not sure.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:35:51pm |
Every time I come in here, you all are talking about scripture. Feels like the 700 club.
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:35:52pm |
re: #219 Dark_Falcon
I respectfully disagree.
No but seriously I would expect that. You and possibly 90 percent of the Earth's population. Plus that disagreement would have been in place for the past 2010 years and would have gotten me burned at the stake in the Dark Ages. Thank goodness for The Enlightenment and modernity though.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:36:53pm |
re: #225 Walter L. Newton
Every time I come in here, you all are talking about scripture. Feels like the 700 club.
Now that was good TV!
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:37:21pm |
re: #225 Walter L. Newton
Every time I come in here, you all are talking about scripture. Feels like the 700 club.
I count on you to provide balance there Walter.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:37:33pm |
Ayers denied emeritus status after plea from Chris Kennedy
In a very unusual move, University of Illinois trustees today denied giving emeritus status to controversial retired professor William Ayers.
The vote, at a U. of I. board meeting in Urbana, was unanimous and came after a passionate speech by board chair Christopher Kennedy, who invoked the 1968 assassination of his father, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy in saying that he was voting his "conscience."
The other trustees, without comment, also voted against the appointment.
Ayers, the Vietnam War-era radical, had been an education faculty member at UIC since 1987. He retired effective Aug. 31 and then sought the emeritus faculty status, a largely honorific title that includes some benefits such as library privileges.
A co-founder of the Weather Underground anti-war group, Ayers was frequently in the media spotlight and, as such, was one of the university's best known faculty members.
While trustees regularly vote on emeritus appointments, they rarely comment about them.
But in an emotional statement, Kennedy discussed his reasons for voting against Ayers' request.
"I am guided by my conscience and one which has been formed by a series of experiences, many of which have been shared with the people of our country and mark each of us in a profound way," Kennedy said.
He said he could not confer the title "to a man whose body of work includes a book dedicated in part to the man who murdered my father."
Kennedy was referring a 1974 book co-authored by Ayers, "Prairie Fire," which was dedicated to a long list of people including Robert Kennedy assassin Sirhan Sirhan and "all political prisoners in the U.S."
What's this shitbag terrorist supposed to do now?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:38:09pm |
re: #229 NJDhockeyfan
Ayers denied emeritus status after plea from Chris Kennedy
What's this shitbag terrorist supposed to do now?
Go on another speaking tour, most likely.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:39:33pm |
re: #229 NJDhockeyfan
What does this mean for him? One less certificate on the wall? I have no idea how this works.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:39:56pm |
re: #229 NJDhockeyfan
Ayers denied emeritus status after plea from Chris Kennedy
What's this shitbag terrorist supposed to do now?
I thought Obama was going to appoint him secretary of education. What happened to that?
/
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:40:56pm |
re: #228 Rightwingconspirator
I count on you to provide balance there Walter.
No one counts on me to provide balance in regards to religious debate. Most, like SFZ, wants me to shut up about it.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:41:07pm |
re: #232 Shiplord Kirel
I thought Obama was going to appoint him secretary of education. What happened to that?
/
He wasn't Marxist enough.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:41:15pm |
re: #232 Shiplord Kirel
I thought Obama was going to appoint him secretary of education. What happened to that?
/
There are a few new openings at the WH.
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:41:19pm |
re: #232 Shiplord Kirel
I thought Obama was going to appoint him secretary of education. What happened to that?
/
Remember that nut that video taped him at the airport and he said he wrote "Dreams of my Father"?
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:44:02pm |
re: #233 Walter L. Newton
Well I for one have no problem with your take on it. I like a contrasting view. Struck me as one of the more insightful topics around here. Apart from the headline topic anyway.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:44:06pm |
re: #236 Gus 802
Remember that nut that video taped him at the airport and he said he wrote "Dreams of my Father"?
I do! Had something to do with nautical references, a subject about which Ayers was alleged to have some slight knowledge. By that standard, I could have written Dreams of my Father.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:47:31pm |
re: #236 Gus 802
Remember that nut that video taped him at the airport and he said he wrote "Dreams of my Father"?
I do recall that.
I also recall Zombie's attempt to blow the top off the election by finding the last freaking copy of "Prairie Fire" in existence and demonstrating to the satisfaction of all his readers that the Weathermen were, in fact, homicidal nutbars.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:47:50pm |
re: #238 Shiplord Kirel
I do! Had something to do with nautical references, a subject about which Ayers was alleged to have some slight knowledge. By that standard, I could have written Dreams of my Father.
Ah HAH! I KNEW IT!!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:48:41pm |
re: #240 Gus 802
Thou shall not fart in confined spaces.
This falls under the category of not placing a stumbling block in the path of the blind...by not farting in confined spaces, you prevent others from committing more serious sins. Such as killing you.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:49:09pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
I do recall that.
I also recall Zombie's attempt to blow the top off the election by finding the last freaking copy of "Prairie Fire" in existence and demonstrating to the satisfaction of all his readers that the Weathermen were, in fact, homicidal nutbars.
Last in existence? I have a copy right here.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:49:29pm |
re: #210 Gus 802
For all the debate, neither is bad advice.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:50:24pm |
re: #240 Gus 802
Thou shall not fart in confined spaces.
"There are two people standing in an elevator. One of them farts. Everybody knows who did it."
~ George Carlin
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:51:28pm |
re: #243 Walter L. Newton
Last in existence? I have a copy right here.
I may exaggerate. He made it sound like an enormous coup.
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:51:55pm |
re: #244 Rightwingconspirator
For all the debate, neither is bad advice.
I would have to agree that both are too narrow. A blanket prohibition on killing would limit an individuals right to survival. If someone broke into my apartment trying to kill me I would try my best to kill him first.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:52:47pm |
re: #229 NJDhockeyfan
Ayers denied emeritus status after plea from Chris Kennedy
What's this shitbag terrorist supposed to do now?
Thank you, Chris Kennedy, for standing up for your family's best ideals and giving Ayers the backhand he so richly deserves.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:54:55pm |
re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist
I may exaggerate. He made it sound like an enormous coup.
I remember that. Actually, we probably have copies of most of that radical sort of publications from the last 50 or more years. We have over 500 books on politics and history. My girlfriend has a better idea what we have... but I have yet to come across a popular reference to some political book that she doesn't turn around and find on the shelf.
And our theological library is not bad either for a family of Jewish, ex-Catholic, ex-Jehovah's Witness atheists.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 23, 2010 9:56:41pm |
re: #247 Gus 802
I would have to agree that both are too narrow. A blanket prohibition on killing would limit an individuals right to survival. If someone broke into my apartment trying to kill me I would try my best to kill him first.
Now that goes to your intent. You do need to stop them for sure. I get that. But killing is a step past that, apart from the fact our most common weapon kills. That was not always the case. Plus, no need to shoot the guy again if hes down.
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:00:06pm |
re: #250 Rightwingconspirator
Now that goes to your intent. You do need to stop them for sure. I get that. But killing is a step past that, apart from the fact our most common weapon kills. That was not always the case. Plus, no need to shoot the guy again if hes down.
True. If he's down or disarmed then he effectively has stopped trying to kill you. Once that occurs the threat of him killing you has changed or been removed.
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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:02:06pm |
re: #250 Rightwingconspirator
Now that goes to your intent. You do need to stop them for sure. I get that. But killing is a step past that, apart from the fact our most common weapon kills. That was not always the case. Plus, no need to shoot the guy again if hes down.
From a purely practical and pragmatic stand point, the act of rendering a man incapable of being a threat is much harder than killing him. Through out much of human history, non lethal methods of self defense have been practically non-existant.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:03:30pm |
re: #251 Gus 802
Since I teach self defense from time to time I teach use of force ethics and in a limited way, legalities.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:04:59pm |
re: #252 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
From a purely practical and pragmatic stand point, the act of rendering a man incapable of being a threat is much harder than killing him. Through out much of human history, non lethal methods of self defense have been practically non-existant.
Well, there's always farting in a confined space.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:06:20pm |
re: #252 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Hmm. Not with edged weapons. Not with clubs. Projectiles represent the major escalation. Arrows to bullets. Even spears can be measured force short of a hard throw. Often enough it turns into a wrestle anyway. Cops get that even with the gun.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:06:31pm |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:09:25pm |
The day is done for me. A fine evening (PDST) to all.
I'm out.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:12:06pm |
Night all. Tomorrow brings the start of a new w*rk week And only the gods above know what that will bring. I shudder at the prospects, but I look forward to this as well. To my Wife (I know you peek).
26 Years + forever
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:14:15pm |
13-Year-Old Boy Questioned in Homemade Explosive Incident
Portland police say they have interviewed a 13-year-old boy believed to be responsible for making a pair of small homemade bombs found Tuesday night.
Officers responded to Portland Street around 8 p.m. on Tuesday after a small explosion was reported near the Islamic Society of Portland.
Police then found a second device sitting underneath a vehicle that was parked nearby, but they were able to disable that one before it exploded. No one was injured.
The teen has not been charged, but the case is now in the hands of the District Attorney's office.
Not charged? WTF?
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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:15:13pm |
re: #256 Rightwingconspirator
Hmm. Not with edged weapons. Not with clubs. Projectiles represent the major escalation. Arrows to bullets. Even spears can be measured force short of a hard throw. Often enough it turns into a wrestle anyway. Cops get that even with the gun.
You can pull a punch with any weapon, but you're leaving yourself open for a reprisal if you don't get it right. Judging how much force it takes to render someone powerless is a skill that takes training to master, while hitting someone as hard as you can when your life depends on it is a natural defense method.
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:19:36pm |
Man arrested after picking fight with pet parrot
(AP) – 1 day ago
ANN ARBOR, Mich. — A 49-year-old Jackson man has been arrested in Ann Arbor following a fight with the pet parrot carried in his backpack. Police told Annarbor.com for a story Wednesday that witnesses reported the colorful bird was shaken so violently that its feathers were scattered.
Three 911 calls were made following the Tuesday night incident. Lt. Renee Bush said the parrot was "squawking loudly" when officers arrived.
But the bird was fighting back, leaving one of its owner's thumbs "scratched and bloodied."
The parrot suffered a red eye and bald patches. Bush said it also was limping.
The owner told officers he was disciplining and training the bird. He was being held in the Washtenaw County Jail pending charges.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:23:49pm |
re: #261 NJDhockeyfan
13-Year-Old Boy Questioned in Homemade Explosive Incident
Not charged? WTF?
They probably want to know more before filing charges. At 13, he could still draw hard time for building a bomb like that. They want to know if that's the route they should pursue.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 10:23:59pm |
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