Glenn Reynolds: Anti-Muslim Craziness Is All Obama’s Fault

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Glenn Reynolds provides us with a textbook example of Obama Derangement Syndrome, mixed with a blind dumb partisan instinct to deny responsibility for their own inflammatory rhetoric, and blame the other side for absolutely everything.

It occurs to me that right after 9/11 we saw the beginning anti-mosque demonstrations but those quickly dissipated. Why? Probably because right after this march, we had Bush’s WTC bullhorn speech and people started to feel confident that Bush would protect the country. With less confidence in Obama, are they resorting to self-help? It’s a long way from bacon to beheadings, of course, but a sense that the powers-that-be can’t be trusted to protect the country is dangerous and destabilizing.

With all of the anti-Muslim hysteria being promoted not just by idiot bloggers like Pamela Geller, but top GOP politicians, Fox News, and every single right wing talk radio host, Glenn Reynolds twists the fabric of space and time itself to find a way to blame it on President Obama. Amazingly pathetic.

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409 comments
1 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:49:49am

Of course, having a Kenyan-born Muslim president has also led to the current anti-Muslim climate, right Glenn?
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2 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:50:44am

I think it's probably true that people felt that the Bush admin provided some level of security; and I think it's probably true that many folks wondered if it would remain so after Obama took office.

But you would think that by now, they would have figured out that things have not changed much with Obama as president. I do not feel less secure, terrorism-wise, with Obama as president than I did with Bush as president, and as a matter of fact, hasn't Obama thoroughly aggravated some truly far-left types with his "don't back down" stance in Iraq/Afghanistan?

Good grief.

3 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:51:39am

He is very, very, very slightly marginally right-- one of the reasons we're seeing more anti-Muslim rhetoric now is because of the absence of Bush. Bush, his other faults aside, made sure to repeatedly state that we were not at war with Islam, not at war with Muslims, and that, in fact, we were fighting radical Muslims for the sake of other Muslims. Sure, Bush tried to connect Iraq and Al-Queda, which made no sense, but that was to shore up support for his desire to invade Iraq; it wasn't an attack on all Muslims.

Since Bush has left, the GOP and the right-wing in general have slipped quickly down into pure anti-Islamic rhetoric of the nastiest sort. Sort of like how the GOP, post-Bush, has turned on Hispanics with a vengeance. And has become much more comfortable with antisemitism, as well.

So, sorry, Glenn, you got within ten miles of an actual true point but then sailed as quickly as possible in the opposite direction.

4 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:51:42am

I think Reynolds is really pushing the boundaries of good sense to do a mini essay on a .50 rifle,

I suppose I could convince myself I had a use for it (there’s a thousand-meter rifle range near here where they have competitions) but I don’t think it’s worth the $1500-$2000 price tag to me. More serious shooters will probably feel differently.


and then right on the heels post about

BARACK OBAMA and the Deathly Midterms.
5 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:52:00am

The other day on The View after the big walk out because of Bill O', Elizabeth Hasselfuck went on the explain why all the Islamaphopia is Obama's fault.
I guess this is the new Tea GOP Party narrative.....


morons and bastards.

6 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:53:02am

re: #3 Obdicut

. . .

Since Bush has left, the GOP and the right-wing in general have slipped quickly down into pure anti-Islamic rhetoric of the nastiest sort. Sort of like how the GOP, post-Bush, has turned on Hispanics with a vengeance. And has become much more comfortable with antisemitism, as well.
. . .

This. Yes.

7 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:53:14am

Yet another reason why I want to see the GOP crash and burn this November.

8 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:54:59am

re: #2 reine.de.tout

I think it's probably true that people felt that the Bush admin provided some level of security; and I think it's probably true that many folks wondered if it would remain so after Obama took office.

But you would think that by now, they would have figured out that things have not changed much with Obama as president. I do not feel less secure, terrorism-wise, with Obama as president than I did with Bush as president, and as a matter of fact, hasn't Obama thoroughly aggravated some truly far-left types with his "don't back down" stance in Iraq/Afghanistan?

Good grief.

Obama has done a bang up job of keeping the nation secure. He has kept and expanded successful Bush anti terror initiatives (despite enormous pressures from the left) and he has shown, over time that national security is his number one priority.

We can argue of the economy, TARP and the funding of health care initiatives but on national security, Obama's commitment is unimpeachable.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:57:35am

re: #8 researchok

Obama has done a bang up job of keeping the nation secure. He has kept and expanded successful Bush anti terror initiatives (despite enormous pressures from the left) and he has shown, over time that national security is his number one priority.

We can argue of the economy, TARP and the funding of health care initiatives but on national security, Obama's commitment is unimpeachable.

True. He has honestly grown in office on that issue.

10 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:57:36am

re: #8 researchok

Obama has done a bang up job of keeping the nation secure. He has kept and expanded successful Bush anti terror initiatives (despite enormous pressures from the left).

Well, that's one area where I'd have to side with the left. Expanding invasive security protocols and PATRIOT ACT policies enacted under Bush wasn't exactly a stellar move.

11 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:58:49am

re: #3 Obdicut

He is very, very, very slightly marginally right-- one of the reasons we're seeing more anti-Muslim rhetoric now is because of the absence of Bush. Bush, his other faults aside, made sure to repeatedly state that we were not at war with Islam, not at war with Muslims, and that, in fact, we were fighting radical Muslims for the sake of other Muslims. Sure, Bush tried to connect Iraq and Al-Queda, which made no sense, but that was to shore up support for his desire to invade Iraq; it wasn't an attack on all Muslims.

Since Bush has left, the GOP and the right-wing in general have slipped quickly down into pure anti-Islamic rhetoric of the nastiest sort. Sort of like how the GOP, post-Bush, has turned on Hispanics with a vengeance. And has become much more comfortable with antisemitism, as well.

So, sorry, Glenn, you got within ten miles of an actual true point but then sailed as quickly as possible in the opposite direction.

Your point about Bush's calls for tolerance is right -- but that's not what Reynolds is saying at all. He's referring to the "bull-horn" speech, which was a threat and a promise to attack Al Qaeda. There was nothing about tolerance in that speech.

Reynolds thinks threatening, violent rhetoric is what kept Americans from attacking Muslims after 9/11, and Obama isn't doing enough of that. It's so fucking sick and twisted I almost don't believe it.

12 Nervous Norvous  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:59:13am

re: #10 pharmmajor

Well, that's one area where I'd have to side with the left. Expanding invasive security protocols and PATRIOT ACT policies enacted under Bush wasn't exactly a stellar move.

WE haven't had a successful attack yet, though, have we. Admittedly a lot of it was dumb luck (Christmas bomber, for example) but I don't see national security being a weak point for the President.

Domestically, though he needs to grow a pair and take Congress to the woodshed on a regular basis for acting like a bunch of WATBs

13 AntonSirius  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:59:18am

re: #8 researchok

on national security, Obama's commitment is unimpeachable.

The 2011 GOP House caucus may beg to differ.

14 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 10:59:43am

re: #10 pharmmajor

Well, that's one area where I'd have to side with the left. Expanding invasive security protocols and PATRIOT ACT policies enacted under Bush wasn't exactly a stellar move.

Acknowledging and dealing with reality and magnitude of the threat is a sobering business.

Obama is committed to keep the nation safe.

15 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:01:16am

re: #13 AntonSirius

The 2011 GOP House caucus may beg to differ.

They are wrong

16 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:01:35am

re: #8 researchok

Obama has done a bang up job of keeping the nation secure. He has kept and expanded successful Bush anti terror initiatives (despite enormous pressures from the left) and he has shown, over time that national security is his number one priority.

We can argue of the economy, TARP and the funding of health care initiatives but on national security, Obama's commitment is unimpeachable.

*And the moratorium*

But I agree with you.

Which is why that particular rant (the subject of this post) is so very very odd, IMO.

17 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:01:44am

Less confidence in Obama? The people that Obama would have to convince wouldn't even listen to a word he says without them going unhinged yet again. The president couldn't even say "the sky is blue" without leading to another round of mouth breather outrage.

Obama's leadership potential was marginalized by the the right-wing soon after 2006 and came to a head in 2008 during the presidential election. Many on the right, if not not most, where indoctrinated (brainwashed) into having a perception of Obama that never existed. This remains to this day

Obama, or any Democrat, can't say a word to the folks on the right without being immediately "down dinged" as it were simply for them being on the left or even the center. When he last attempted to speak to the whole nation what followed was another round of right wing conspiracies including the usual rhetoric of "Dhimitude" and taqiyya.

The list goes on and on and can include the reflexive reaction aginst the Cairo speech. The bias against Obama is deep and preceded the 2008 election. Trying to get the anti-Muslim crazies to listen to anything Obama says is an impossible task.

18 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:02:05am

re: #12 PT Barnum

WE haven't had a successful attack yet, though, have we. Admittedly a lot of it was dumb luck (Christmas bomber, for example) but I don't see national security being a weak point for the President.

Domestically, though he needs to grow a pair and take Congress to the woodshed on a regular basis for acting like a bunch of WATBs

I'm not saying national security is a weak point. I'm just saying I wish he would've scaled back on the Patriot Act and other invasive measures enacted under Bush. Obama promised he'd cut those, and he hasn't.

19 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:02:49am

re: #11 Charles

Your point about Bush's calls for tolerance is right -- but that's not what Reynolds is saying at all. He's referring to the "bull-horn" speech, which was a threat and a promise to attack Al Qaeda. There was nothing about tolerance in that speech.

Reynolds thinks threatening, violent rhetoric is what kept Americans from attacking Muslims after 9/11, and Obama isn't doing enough of that. It's so fucking sick and twisted I almost don't believe it.

Even with a bull-horn, Bush did not declare war on Islam as a whole. But that's part of the reason Glenn and co. now think of George W. Bush as a RINO. Which is sick because few men are as loyal to their party and nation as either President Bush.

20 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:03:11am

re: #11 Charles

Reynolds thinks threatening, violent rhetoric is what kept Americans from attacking Muslims after 9/11, and Obama isn't doing enough of that. It's so fucking sick and twisted I almost don't believe it.

Ah, I didn't really get the 'bullhorn speech' reference-- I didn't remember the particulars of that speech.

Reynold's also appears to be ignoring that Obama is making routine strikes on Al Queda and other terrorist groups, blowing them up with monotonous regularity.

Reynolds apparently believes Americans are, in general, bloodthirsty, racist assholes. I think he's extrapolating from himself.

21 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:04:00am

re: #16 reine.de.tout

*And the moratorium*

But I agree with you.

Which is why that particular rant (the subject of this post) is so very very odd, IMO.

I was agreeing with and reinforcing your point.

22 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:05:01am

re: #10 pharmmajor

Well, that's one area where I'd have to side with the left. Expanding invasive security protocols and PATRIOT ACT policies enacted under Bush wasn't exactly a stellar move.

well. . . maybe whether it was a stellar move or not depends on how strong a security apparatus one thinks we need. I'm happy with strong security.

I'm sure when Obama became president, he became privy to information he did not have before; and that information may very well have played a big part in his subsequent actions.

23 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:05:32am

re: #13 AntonSirius

The 2011 GOP House caucus may beg to differ.

and they would be wrong...

24 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:05:42am

re: #21 researchok

I was agreeing with and reinforcing your point.

:-)
Oh, I knew that!
Just agreeing with YOU. LOL. Mutual agreement society, here. . . .

25 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:05:45am

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Even with a bull-horn, Bush did not declare war on Islam as a whole. But that's part of the reason Glenn and co. now think of George W. Bush as a RINO. Which is sick because few men are as loyal to their party and nation as either President Bush.

They needed a reason to abandon Bush and they found one.

He didn't hate Muslims enough.

26 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:06:20am

There really is nothing that Obama can do to make these people happy.

27 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:06:22am

re: #24 reine.de.tout

:-)
Oh, I knew that!
Just agreeing with YOU. LOL. Mutual agreement society, here. . . .

Great minds and all that.

28 Girth  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:06:43am

People still read Instapundit?

Who knew?

29 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:06:57am

re: #22 reine.de.tout

well. . . maybe whether it was a stellar move or not depends on how strong a security apparatus one thinks we need. I'm happy with strong security.

I'm sure when Obama became president, he became privy to information he did not have before; and that information may very well have played a big part in his subsequent actions.

Regardless of the information he gathered, does it excuse invasions of privacy like this:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

WASHINGTON — Federal law enforcement and national security officials are preparing to seek sweeping new regulations for the Internet, arguing that their ability to wiretap criminal and terrorism suspects is “going dark” as people increasingly communicate online instead of by telephone.

Essentially, officials want Congress to require all services that enable communications — including encrypted e-mail transmitters like BlackBerry, social networking Web sites like Facebook and software that allows direct “peer to peer” messaging like Skype — to be technically capable of complying if served with a wiretap order. The mandate would include being able to intercept and unscramble encrypted messages.

The bill, which the Obama administration plans to submit to lawmakers next year, raises fresh questions about how to balance security needs with protecting privacy and fostering innovation. And because security services around the world face the same problem, it could set an example that is copied globally.

30 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:07:18am

re: #27 researchok

Great minds and all that.

*snort*
The greatest! Of course.

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:07:27am

re: #13 AntonSirius

The 2011 GOP House caucus may beg to differ.

I'm sure. Now, exactly what will their argument be, besides, "We just feel like he isn't DOING the right THINGS"?

32 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:08:02am

re: #20 Obdicut

Ah, I didn't really get the 'bullhorn speech' reference-- I didn't remember the particulars of that speech.

Reynold's also appears to be ignoring that Obama is making routine strikes on Al Queda and other terrorist groups, blowing them up with monotonous regularity.

Reynolds apparently believes Americans are, in general, bloodthirsty, racist assholes. I think he's extrapolating from himself.

AFPAK is Obama's bullhorn to a certain extent. This also includes military strikes and operations in Yemen, and Somalia. I'm pretty sure you're familiar with the reaction from the chair force (the usual suspects) towards that. There's always something for them to nitpick about most of which is based on a Rambo fantasy. Heck, they were already quick to throw General Petraeus under the bus.

33 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:08:30am

re: #22 reine.de.tout

well. . . maybe whether it was a stellar move or not depends on how strong a security apparatus one thinks we need. I'm happy with strong security.

I'm sure when Obama became president, he became privy to information he did not have before; and that information may very well have played a big part in his subsequent actions.

Me too. Increased security measures really were needed and they've been vital in rounding up terror-minded people before they can strike.

34 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:08:56am

re: #29 pharmmajor

Regardless of the information he gathered, does it excuse invasions of privacy like this:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

A wiretap order would be required, says so right there in your link.
The way I see it, it's simply amending existing intelligence-gathering methods to keep up with new technology.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:10:01am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

There really is nothing that Obama can do to make these people happy.

Nonsense. If Linda Lingle finds the REAL birth certificate shoved down the side of her desk, they will be very, very happy.

Technically, I guess that wouldn't be something he'd done, though.

Guess you're right.

36 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:10:12am

re: #32 Gus 802

AFPAK is Obama's bullhorn to a certain extent. This also includes military strikes and operations in Yemen, and Somalia. I'm pretty sure you're familiar with the reaction from the chair force (the usual suspects) towards that. There's always something for them to nitpick about most of which is based on a Rambo fantasy. Heck, they were already quick to throw General Petraeus under the bus.

Very, very good point.

37 SpaceJesus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:10:21am

this is quite possibly the stupidest thing i will see for a while

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:10:48am

re: #29 pharmmajor

Regardless of the information he gathered, does it excuse invasions of privacy like this:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Yes, it does. It is important that the FBI be able to read any form of electronic communication if it needs to do so. If they cannot, then that method will be used to plan terrorist attacks.

39 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:10:59am

re: #34 reine.de.tout

A wiretap order would be required, says so right there in your link.
The way I see it, it's simply amending existing intelligence-gathering methods to keep up with new technology.

I'd guess its also codifying exist practice, which is generally a good thing IMO. Anyone really think skype would be allowed to operate in a manner today where the FBI/CIA/NSA couldn't get intercepts? Highly unlikely. If anything this helps the VOIP providers in a CYA sense.

40 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:10:59am

re: #37 SpaceJesus

this is quite possibly the stupidest thing i will see for a while

Tomorrow's another day. /

41 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:12:57am

re: #37 SpaceJesus

this is quite possibly the stupidest thing i will see for a while today

FTFY

42 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:13:24am

re: #34 reine.de.tout

A wiretap order would be required, says so right there in your link.
The way I see it, it's simply amending existing intelligence-gathering methods to keep up with new technology.

As long as it's kept within the bounds of the Constitution and settled law, I have no problems with the Feds keeping up with the times with regards to the intercept of electronic communications.

43 Girth  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:13:27am

re: #37 SpaceJesus

this is quite possibly the stupidest thing i will see for a while

It won't take too long... Fox and Friends is on tomorrow morning.

44 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:15:36am

re: #43 Girth

It won't take too long... Fox and Friends is on tomorrow morning.

Brian Kilmeade, paging Brian Kilmeade. /

45 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:15:49am

re: #43 Girth

It won't take too long... Fox and Friends is on tomorrow morning.

Yeah Kilmeade is always a good source of the stupid.
Like his latest comment that all terrorist are Muslims.

How does he even have a job?

46 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:17:40am

re: #39 McSpiff

I'd guess its also codifying exist practice, which is generally a good thing IMO. Anyone really think skype would be allowed to operate in a manner today where the FBI/CIA/NSA couldn't get intercepts? Highly unlikely. If anything this helps the VOIP providers in a CYA sense.

That's the thing. If people think it's not already being done it's fantasy world time. Of course I don't like it because like any sort of surveilence and state powers always entertain the possibilities of becoming corrupt and used for bad I would much rather have some sort of accountability and some sort of control in policy for things that happen anyway.

Technological advances are driving this.

47 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:17:41am

re: #3 Obdicut

He is very, very, very slightly marginally right-- one of the reasons we're seeing more anti-Muslim rhetoric now is because of the absence of Bush. Bush, his other faults aside, made sure to repeatedly state that we were not at war with Islam, not at war with Muslims, and that, in fact, we were fighting radical Muslims for the sake of other Muslims...

Problem is that the many of the people who heeded Bush on this issue simply don't trust Obama. Conservative Islamophobes grudgingly followed Bush, but won't even listen to Obama on the issue. They've already made up their minds that Obama is overly sympathetic to Muslims and may even be "one of them."

The anti-Muslim bigotry was simmering just below the surface for the last decade. So, in a way, Reynolds is right. If only Obama had done a better job convincing reactionaries that he's really not a disguised Muslim, then there might be less anti-Islamic lunacy right now.

48 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:17:56am

re: #45 webevintage

Yeah Kilmeade is always a good source of the stupid.
Like his latest comment that all terrorist are Muslims.

How does he even have a job?

because Fox is a sorry joke of a news organization.

49 Girth  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:18:53am

re: #45 webevintage

Yeah Kilmeade is always a good source of the stupid.
Like his latest comment that all terrorist are Muslims.

How does he even have a job?

He's just the latest, best example. All three of them have the combined IQ of a toaster.

50 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:18:56am

Gentlemen do not read each other's mail. Pharmajor's views aren't anything new, and it seems like each time a new communications medium reaches widespread usage the same arguments are had.

I think this is a healthy part of the process though, to make these powers aren't any broader than absolutely necessary.

51 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:19:12am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

because Fox is a sorry joke of a news organization.

Speaking of which. And OT.

Fox News' Five-Minute Terrorist Attack (VIDEO)

In the space of about five minutes this morning, Fox News turned a shutdown of the Brooklyn Bridge over a suspicious flashlight into an international terrorist threat before dismissing the whole thing like it never happened. It's a classic example of Fox News fear-mongering -- in this case, based on Fox's own fear-mongery "scoop" that's been a central narrative of the network's broadcast day.

52 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:20:05am

re: #47 palomino

Problem is that the many of the people who heeded Bush on this issue simply don't trust Obama. Conservative Islamophobes grudgingly followed Bush, but won't even listen to Obama on the issue. They've already made up their minds that Obama is overly sympathetic to Muslims and may even be "one of them."

The anti-Muslim bigotry was simmering just below the surface for the last decade. So, in a way, Reynolds is right. If only Obama had done a better job convincing reactionaries that he's really not a disguised Muslim, then there might be less anti-Islamic lunacy right now.

Poll: 1 In 5 Americans Believe Obama Is A Cactus

53 AntonSirius  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:20:32am

re: #23 webevintage

and they would be wrong...

If he gets impeached on some crazy, flimsy pretense, he clearly wasn't unimpeachable. QEMFD.

Why would you think right and wrong will have any bearing on the actions of a GOP-dominated Congress? What mountain shack lacking internet access have you been living in?

54 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:21:02am

re: #13 AntonSirius

The 2011 GOP House caucus may beg to differ.

Is there anything on which they won't differ? They're riding into power largely due to promises to their tea party base to refuse to work with Obama on anything. Why would national security be any different?

55 nines09  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:21:09am

re: #37 SpaceJesus

I would not lay a dime on that.

56 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:22:02am

Glenn's reasoning, such as it is, reminds me of that British moonbat columnist who lost some dough in a Nigerian e-mail scam and proceeded to blame it on Bush. Her reasoning, such as IT is, was that Nigeria is an oil-producing state, this necessarily resulted in an influx of Texans, and they had brought their BushHitlerite ethics with them to infect the locals. No doubt the e-mail scammers are displaced oil field types who have decided to branch out under the tutelage of various real-life JR Ewings.

57 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:22:21am

Of course the real reason for the increased anti-Muslim hysteria started well before the election when the counterJihad movement joined forces with European fascists and later with violent street gangs like the EDL. Right wing pundits, bloggers and FOX news spewing conspiracy theories certainly hasn't helped either.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:23:52am

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel

Glenn's reasoning, such as it is, reminds me of that British moonbat columnist who lost some dough in a Nigerian e-mail scam and proceeded to blame it on Bush. Her reasoning, such as IT is, was that Nigeria is an oil-producing state, this necessarily resulted in an influx of Texans, and they had brought their BushHitlerite ethics with them to infect the locals. No doubt the e-mail scammers are displaced oil field types who have decided to branch out under the tutelage of various real-life JR Ewings.

You got a link for the columnist with the e-mail scam? I missed that one.

59 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:24:15am

re: #49 Girth

He's just the latest, best example. All three of them have the combined IQ of a toaster.

The thing is as that while Doocey and Kilmeade are just run of the mill sports/anchor guys who lucked out, Carlson "graduated with Honors from Stanford University, in 1990, with a specialized degree in the field of Sociology (organizational behavior). While enrolled at Stanford University, she studied abroad as part of her Stanford program at Oxford University".
Smart women playing dumb really annoy me.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:24:36am

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Of course the real reason for the increased anti-Muslim hysteria started well before the election when the counterJihad movement joined forces with European fascists and later with violent street gangs like the EDL. Right wing pundits, bloggers and FOX news spewing conspiracy theories certainly hasn't helped either.

I was really hoping to see Dr. Shalit's response to yesterday's vid of the EDL in action. Honest, apple-cheeked yeoman of England that they are.

/

61 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:25:25am

re: #52 McSpiff

Poll: 1 In 5 Americans Believe Obama Is A Cactus

Well have you ever seen him not photosynhzing? There, my proof that Obama is a cactus.

62 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:25:47am

re: #37 SpaceJesus

this is quite possibly the stupidest thing i will see for a while

Ken Buck Compares Being Gay To Alcoholism In TV Debate

63 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:26:15am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Those 'walking L' tattoos we keep seeing on the EDL members must stand for London.

64 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:27:14am

re: #62 Gus 802

Ken Buck Compares Being Gay To Alcoholism In TV Debate

Didn't even last a day....

65 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:27:24am

As a break from the insanity, here's a South African candy with the worst possible name:
[Link: yfrog.com...]

66 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:27:55am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I was really hoping to see Dr. Shalit's response to yesterday's vid of the EDL in action. Honest, apple-cheeked yeoman of England that they are.

/

That video from yesterday should have been a bigger deal. There's just no excuse for anyone in this country to embrace the EDL. Sadly, not enough people give a shit.

67 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:28:08am

re: #64 webevintage

Didn't even last a day...

Shit my wingnuts say. It's like a trending Twitter topic. /

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:28:13am

re: #63 jaunte

Those 'walking L' tattoos we keep seeing on the EDL members must stand for London.

I'm just wondering what people will make of it when they start torching cars. I guess a native English yoot is different from a Muslim immigrant yoot?

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:28:45am

re: #65 pharmmajor

As a break from the insanity, here's a South African candy with the worst possible name:
[Link: yfrog.com...]

Shwetty balls?

70 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:29:17am

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Shwetty balls?

Chocolate salty balls, I'd hope.

71 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:29:26am

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm just wondering what people will make of it when they start torching cars. I guess a native English yoot is different from a Muslim immigrant yoot?

Hey now, what else are you gonna grill pork chops on during a riot? Totally different motivation.

72 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:29:30am

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm just wondering what people will make of it when they start torching cars. I guess a native English yoot is different from a Muslim immigrant yoot?

We've seen photos of EDL members with swastika tattoos, I am sure their defenders will find some way to defend any action no matter how heinous.

73 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:31:05am

I've got to get going. BBL

74 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:32:10am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

We've seen photos of EDL members with swastika tattoos, I am sure their defenders will find some way to defend any action no matter how heinous.

Those weren't EDL members! They were soccer football hooligans!

//

75 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:33:04am

re: #18 pharmmajor

I'm not saying national security is a weak point. I'm just saying I wish he would've scaled back on the Patriot Act and other invasive measures enacted under Bush. Obama promised he'd cut those, and he hasn't.

Which is one of the many reasons the left is disappointed with him. It's also one of the many reasons that the assertion that "Obama is governing as a far leftist" is a complete crock of shit.

Afghanistan, Iraq, TARP, bailouts, DADT, gay marriage, Patriot Act, surveillance, public option/single payer, offshore drilling, financial reform, Bob Gates as SecDef...none of these can realistically be called far left policies. But that doesn't stop the gop tea party base; basically their definition of far left is anything Obama does.

76 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:34:25am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

There really is nothing that Obama can do to make these people happy.

Unfortunately this won't be forgotten. The next gop prez will get the same treatment from the left, albeit without the racist/xenophobic subtext.

77 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:34:44am

re: #47 palomino

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Americans are proud of the national diversity. They do not want to embrace bigotry. Bigotry was and remains a marginal endeavor.

What has happened, in my opinion is a confluence of events that have made that marginal position more mainstream.

First, their is the matter of the economy and the many weak pillars. Then there is the matter on the perception of how Obama is handling the recovery efforts.

Then you have escalating political polarization, a long impotent Congress habituated by politicians who really don't give a damn and candidates for office who are either nut jobs or just incompetents who want their turn at the public trough.

People are frustrated and looking for scapegoats (as in the war on terror is too costly) and Obama is in the barrel.

The argument that many people who trusted Bush don't trust Obama is absurd. There are people who trust Obama implicitly who did not trust Bush at all. That's called politics.

When things are going well, people will government a pass.When things are going poorly, government gets a big part of the blame (justifiably,in my opinion).

Anti Muslim sentiment is the symptom, not the disease.

The disease is the ever escalating political bigotry on both side- and no, this isn't about a 'magical equivalence fairy'.

That is reality.

78 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:34:56am

re: #76 palomino

Unfortunately this won't be forgotten. The next gop prez will get the same treatment from the left, albeit without the racist/xenophobic subtext.

Yep and the cycle will go on and on.

79 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:35:46am

re: #76 palomino

Unfortunately this won't be forgotten. The next gop prez will get the same treatment from the left, albeit without the racist/xenophobic subtext.

The difference being that the next GOP president will not have an entire media cult dedicated to promoting these myths. Nor will the Democrats be controlled by any such media cult.

80 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:36:34am

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Yep and the cycle will go on and on.

Until the voters get fed up, that is.

81 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:37:18am

re: #77 researchok

The argument that many people who trusted Bush don't trust Obama is absurd.


I'm sorry, but by 'absurd' did you mean 'really obviously true'?

82 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:37:23am

re: #80 pharmmajor

Until the voters get fed up, that is.

I hope so. It's just I've seen people rabidly hate Clinton then Bush and now Obama and it gets worse and worse each time it feels.

83 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:37:43am

re: #80 pharmmajor

Until the voters get fed up, that is.

SEDITITON!!11!!1!

///packs his canned goods.

At least the revolutionary crap seems to have died down a bit.

84 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:38:12am

re: #81 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but by 'absurd' did you mean 'really obviously true'?

In the sense that works both ways- yes.

85 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:38:35am

re: #83 McSpiff

SEDITITON!!11!!1!

///packs his canned goods.

At least the revolutionary crap seems to have died down a bit.

Hey, if Palin ever got elected, a revolution might just be in order.

86 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:38:58am

re: #52 McSpiff

Poll: 1 In 5 Americans Believe Obama Is A Cactus

Funny stuff. You know where they have cactuses (cacti?), don't you? In the desert. Like in the Middle East, where Obama and his co-religionists were born.
/

87 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:40:40am

re: #53 AntonSirius

If he gets impeached on some crazy, flimsy pretense, he clearly wasn't unimpeachable. QEMFD.

Why would you think right and wrong will have any bearing on the actions of a GOP-dominated Congress? What mountain shack lacking internet access have you been living in?

Who in their right mind is discussing impeachment? On what grounds?

88 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:40:51am

re: #85 pharmmajor

Hey, if Palin ever got elected, a revolution might just be in order.

Why?

89 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:41:53am

re: #84 researchok

Well, of course it works both ways. I'm not sure you read the original post very carefully.

Given the extremely large percentage of conservatives and, unfortunately, the significant number of actual GOP officials who indulge in birtherism, I'm really unconvinced that bigotry isn't playing a significant role. Given the large amount of anti-Muslim rhetoric, birtherism, the Paulian perspective on civil rights, the resurgence of Confederate apologists, etc, why are you so certain that these are all symptoms and not, in fact, at all causal?

90 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:42:58am

re: #77 researchok

You forgot about the people who used to claim they were behind Bush but are now frequently throwing him under the bus. It's almost like the latest rage or fashion and you will hear words like, "I don't like Obama... and I didn't really like Bush either." This comes from the new formed axis between the Tea Party and the GOP. Glenn Beck typically engages or promotes this rhetoric and has "blamed Bush" many times even to the point of calling him a progressive.

91 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:44:48am

re: #88 McSpiff

Why?

Think about the damage she could do to this country.

92 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:45:29am

re: #91 pharmmajor

Think about the damage she could do to this country.

As compared to what? a 2nd civil war?

93 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:46:17am

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

You got a link for the columnist with the e-mail scam? I missed that one.

Polly Toynbee, 12-17-2003
This is the conclusion of her column about her personal victimization:

We point fingers at Nigeria, this richest and best-educated country in Africa that should be a mighty power had it not been so catastrophically misgoverned, with legendary corruption. Yet what kind of global honesty is promoted, what model of good capitalism and good government? The US is about to hold another election that will be largely bought and sold by business and oil interests. Think of the corruption that US and UK conservatives carelessly unleashed upon the former Soviet Union in the name of extreme free market ideology.

The image of capitalism now being spread about the world is cowboy stuff: little gleaned from America extols the virtue of regulation, restraint and control. We reap from the third world what we sow: if some Nigerians learned lessons in capitalism from global oil companies that helped corrupt and despoil that land, it is hardly surpising they absorbed some of the Texan oil values that now rule the White House. Alas, the querulous, navel-gazing and increasingly non-internationalist EU seems in no mood at present to offer a different and better face of capitalism to the world.

94 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:46:24am

re: #91 pharmmajor

Think about the damage she could do to this country.

It'd be a mess, but if she was elected through due process, it wouldn't merit revolution. If she started exerting unconstitutional authority, she'd get slapped down for it.

I mean, things might go totally off the cliff, but what form do you envision this 'revolution' actually taking?

95 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:46:33am

re: #89 Obdicut

Well, of course it works both ways. I'm not sure you read the original post very carefully.

Given the extremely large percentage of conservatives and, unfortunately, the significant number of actual GOP officials who indulge in birtherism, I'm really unconvinced that bigotry isn't playing a significant role. Given the large amount of anti-Muslim rhetoric, birtherism, the Paulian perspective on civil rights, the resurgence of Confederate apologists, etc, why are you so certain that these are all symptoms and not, in fact, at all causal?

Yes.

American extremism is a symptom (look at the number of people who believe 9/11 was an inside job) of frustration.

The Tea Party isn't about ideas- it is about attitude.

Arianna Huffington is right to warn the left that to ignore the TP'ers frustration is to invite all kinds of grief.

I do agree this cycle the loudest (obnoxious) voices are from the right. They are after all, the party out of power.

In the previous cycle, it was the left voices that were most extreme. That's just the way it is.

96 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:47:20am

re: #95 researchok

I'm sorry, but you didn't actually respond to what I wrote. I asked:


Given the extremely large percentage of conservatives and, unfortunately, the significant number of actual GOP officials who indulge in birtherism, I'm really unconvinced that bigotry isn't playing a significant role. Given the large amount of anti-Muslim rhetoric, birtherism, the Paulian perspective on civil rights, the resurgence of Confederate apologists, etc, why are you so certain that these are all symptoms and not, in fact, at all causal?
97 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:48:01am

re: #91 pharmmajor

Think about the damage she could do to this country.

If Palin is or someone of her particular bent it's a symptom of damage that has already occurred. Sure she and her team would likely do some damage but the forces that led to that ability would already be in motion anyways.

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:48:05am

re: #93 Shiplord Kirel

Polly Toynbee, 12-17-2003
This is the conclusion of her column about her personal victimization:

WOW.

99 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:48:27am

re: #97 Jadespring

If Palin is or someone of her particular bent (is elected) it's a symptom of damage that has already occurred. Sure she and her team would likely do some damage but the forces that led to that ability would already be in motion anyways.

100 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:48:38am

re: #90 Gus 802

You forgot about the people who used to claim they were behind Bush but are now frequently throwing him under the bus. It's almost like the latest rage or fashion and you will hear words like, "I don't like Obama... and I didn't really like Bush either." This comes from the new formed axis between the Tea Party and the GOP. Glenn Beck typically engages or promotes this rhetoric and has "blamed Bush" many times even to the point of calling him a progressive.

Absolutely true. Bush has been trashed, over and over.

So was Clinton in his day- remember welfare reform? He took it from a big part of his constituency, too.

It's an ugly game, Gus.

101 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:50:07am

re: #94 Obdicut

It'd be a mess, but if she was elected through due process, it wouldn't merit revolution. If she started exerting unconstitutional authority, she'd get slapped down for it.

I mean, things might go totally off the cliff, but what form do you envision this 'revolution' actually taking?

Well, it would be a non-violent revolution naturally. Other details are still in development.

102 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:51:06am

re: #94 Obdicut

It'd be a mess, but if she was elected through due process, it wouldn't merit revolution. If she started exerting unconstitutional authority, she'd get slapped down for it.

I mean, things might go totally off the cliff, but what form do you envision this 'revolution' actually taking?

It would be more like "the invitations went out for the revolution but no RSVPs were returned. Nothing like that would ever happen. Frankly, I doubt that there would even be a revolt if someone like Tom Tancredo was elected president. Besides which it's a technical impossibility.

103 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:51:30am

re: #101 pharmmajor

Well, it would be a non-violent revolution naturally. Other details are still in development.

Oh come on, dude.

It's really silly to call for revolution if Palin is elected, and then say "But I can't tell you how!"

Sheesh.

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:51:40am

re: #95 researchok


Arianna Huffington is right to warn the left that to ignore the TP'ers frustration is to invite all kinds of grief.

I keep hearing this. "They're frustrated. They're angry. They're upset. Ignore this at your peril."

Speaking for the left, what the hell am I supposed to do for these people? Elect the precious idiots they want to run for Senate? Fix the economy? (Would if I could, dude). Acknowledge how hurt their feelings are that...what, life is hard?

What the TPers want is is vague, shifting, and mostly stupid. If they want it, they're going to have to get off their asses and elect some people like everyone else. No one owes them anything special, which, as far as I can tell, is why they're so damn mad.

105 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:51:48am

re: #101 pharmmajor

Well, it would be a non-violent revolution naturally. Other details are still in development.

Can you cite an example of what you have in mind?

106 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:52:18am

re: #96 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but you didn't actually respond to what I wrote. I asked:


I believe they are symptoms because nations don't change character overnight.

I believe the political birthers, creationists, etc are politicians riding a bandwagon hoping to benefit from the populist voice.

Not the first time, won't be the last.

107 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:52:25am

re: #103 Obdicut

Oh come on, dude.

It's really silly to call for revolution if Palin is elected, and then say "But I can't tell you how!"

Sheesh.

Well, think about it this way; if it never happens, it's a moot point. If it does come to pass, I don't want to ruin the surprise.

108 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:52:38am

OK, over 100. Time for some hurl butt. Astronaut Scott Carpenter jumps the shark.

Astronaut Scott Carpenter says "Oregon voters should elect Art Robinson"

Youtube Video
109 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:53:55am

re: #106 researchok

I believe they are symptoms because nations don't change character overnight.

And you think that the US has a bigotry-free history? Or even recent-history?

Seriously?

110 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:53:58am

And another idiot astronaut.

Apollo Astronaut Harrison Schmitt Endorses Art Robinson for Congress

Youtube Video
111 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:54:29am

re: #107 pharmmajor

Well, think about it this way; if it never happens, it's a moot point. If it does come to pass, I don't want to ruin the surprise.

Then don't bother posturing about it on websites, please.

112 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:55:55am
Glenn Reynolds twists the fabric of space and time itself to find a way to blame it on President Obama.

Could this rich Melange of deliberate deception mean that Glen Reynolds is the Kwisatz Haderach of bullshit?

113 John Q  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:57:07am
"....people started to feel confident that Bush would protect the country."

Don't know why -- he'd done nothing to activate the national security apparatus despite all the warnings before 9/11 of an attack coming.

What was this "confidence" based on, I wonder?

114 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:57:13am

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

I keep hearing this. "They're frustrated. They're angry. They're upset. Ignore this at your peril."

Speaking for the left, what the hell am I supposed to do for these people? Elect the precious idiots they want to run for Senate? Fix the economy? (Would if I could, dude). Acknowledge how hurt their feelings are that...what, life is hard?

What the TPers want is is vague, shifting, and mostly stupid. If they want it, they're going to have to get off their asses and elect some people like everyone else. No one owes them anything special, which, as far as I can tell, is why they're so damn mad.

What they want is to be angry. Their political goals and desires are no more sophisticated than those of sports fans - they want to see the bad guys 'lose', whatever form that may take, for no other reason than because they're the enemy. They are defined by their hatred and anger. Taking it away from them is not only not possible, but will solve nothing and not satisfy them, because hating liberals and whatever they imagine liberals support is the sum total of their political belief.

115 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:57:28am

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

I keep hearing this. "They're frustrated. They're angry. They're upset. Ignore this at your peril."

Speaking for the left, what the hell am I supposed to do for these people? Elect the precious idiots they want to run for Senate? Fix the economy? (Would if I could, dude). Acknowledge how hurt their feelings are that...what, life is hard?

What the TPers want is is vague, shifting, and mostly stupid. If they want it, they're going to have to get off their asses and elect some people like everyone else. No one owes them anything special, which, as far as I can tell, is why they're so damn mad.

I believe people want more responsible government and less pork, etc. I think that is what they want.

I believe the moron agendistas attached themselves for whom that was a priority and all of sudden, every birther nutjob was in front of a camera claiming to represent all America.

People see Pelosi's expenditures, junkets and so on and then she says 'If you want to read the Bill, pass it'.

Pretending things in DC are just peachy is a recipe for disaster.

Remember, the TP isn't in power, Palin isn't in Congress and O'Donnell isn't on any Congressional Committee. The problems they pose would be greatlt mitigated if DC actually governed appropriately.

116 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:57:55am

re: #109 Obdicut

And you think that the US has a bigotry-free history? Or even recent-history?

Seriously?

Not what I said.

117 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 11:59:43am

re: #110 Gus 802

And another idiot astronaut.

Apollo Astronaut Harrison Schmitt Endorses Art Robinson for Congress


[Video]

Buy stock in disposable diaper companies.

118 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:00:08pm

re: #77 researchok

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Americans are proud of the national diversity. They do not want to embrace bigotry. Bigotry was and remains a marginal endeavor.

What has happened, in my opinion is a confluence of events that have made that marginal position more mainstream.

First, their is the matter of the economy and the many weak pillars. Then there is the matter on the perception of how Obama is handling the recovery efforts.

Then you have escalating political polarization, a long impotent Congress habituated by politicians who really don't give a damn and candidates for office who are either nut jobs or just incompetents who want their turn at the public trough.

People are frustrated and looking for scapegoats (as in the war on terror is too costly) and Obama is in the barrel.

The argument that many people who trusted Bush don't trust Obama is absurd. There are people who trust Obama implicitly who did not trust Bush at all. That's called politics.

When things are going well, people will government a pass.When things are going poorly, government gets a big part of the blame (justifiably,in my opinion).

Anti Muslim sentiment is the symptom, not the disease.

The disease is the ever escalating political bigotry on both side- and no, this isn't about a 'magical equivalence fairy'.

That is reality.

Your post is self-contradictory. Americans love their national diversity, yet are simultaneously looking for a scapegoat?

As for Muslims, I think you've got it all wrong. It's doubtful that a majority of Americans would be happy if the Muslim population started to grow more rapidly. Just as many aren't happy about the growing Hispanic population. Americans may "love diversity", but there are a lot of qualifiers to that assertion.

You really don't think it's likely that the anti-Muslim rhetoric (mostly from the right) was tamped down by Bush's smart sober words that "we are not at war with Islam"? Or that similar words coming from Obama would carry less weight with the tea party crowd?

Look, one-third of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim; one-third also think he's a tyrant. That's a pretty fertile breeding ground for heightened Islamophobia, catalyzing what was always just beneath the surface.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:01:17pm

re: #115 researchok

I believe people want more responsible government and less pork, etc. I think that is what they want.

I believe the moron agendistas attached themselves for whom that was a priority and all of sudden, every birther nutjob was in front of a camera claiming to represent all America.

People see Pelosi's expenditures, junkets and so on and then she says 'If you want to read the Bill, pass it'.

Pretending things in DC are just peachy is a recipe for disaster.

Remember, the TP isn't in power, Palin isn't in Congress and O'Donnell isn't on any Congressional Committee. The problems they pose would be greatlt mitigated if DC actually governed appropriately.

The Tea Party didn't give a shit about any of this when a Republican was in power, and they won't give a shit when a Republican is again in power.

If people want more responsible government, they will vote for candidates who can provide it, which is what I try to do. That won't include any of the Tea Party's darlings, who are economically clueless to a man and woman.

No one is 'pretending things are just peachy in DC'. They haven't been for a very, very long time, if ever.

The Tea Party people don't know what they want, and they'll vote, as far as I can tell, for any social conservative with no record, no accomplishments, and an ability to yak about lower taxes.

120 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:02:14pm

re: #115 researchok

I believe people want more responsible government and less pork, etc. I think that is what they want.

I think that's what people want too. Left people, right people, barely caring people... This is such a generalized statement that it can pertain to just about anyone no matter which side they find themselves on.

The question is around how they define this desire. What does it actually mean? And if government was to actually say 'yeah we agree we're going to give this to you' what would it actually look like. What would satisfy people asking for this to be done.

121 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:02:39pm

re: #108 Gus 802

OK, over 100. Time for some hurl butt. Astronaut Scott Carpenter jumps the shark.

Astronaut Scott Carpenter says "Oregon voters should elect Art Robinson"


[Video]

re: #110 Gus 802

And another idiot astronaut.

Apollo Astronaut Harrison Schmitt Endorses Art Robinson for Congress


[Video]

That's awful! I always admired Scott Carpenter, whose achievements extend far beyond his rather brief involvement with Project Mercury. I have had rather less esteem for Harrison Schmidt for various reasons, but I am still very disappointed to see a fellow geologist jump on board with cranks.

122 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:03:34pm

re: #112 Charleston Chew

Could this rich Melange of deliberate deception mean that Glen Reynolds is the Kwisatz Haderach of bullshit?

Kwisatz Haderach=ancient Hebrew term for "teleportation"

123 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:03:56pm

re: #85 pharmmajor

Hey, if Palin ever got elected, a revolution might just be in order.

You've got it backwards. Don't you see that if Palin gets elected, then that IS the revolution--the great Second American Revolution, the restoration of all that is good and wholesome as foretold in the bible.

124 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:04:37pm

re: #116 researchok

Not what I said.

Okay. You said:


Americans are proud of the national diversity. They do not want to embrace bigotry. Bigotry was and remains a marginal endeavor.

Bigotry was completely mainstream very, very recently in the US. It has remained very strong, and very prevalent. Bigotry is being mainstreamed again, to the extent that the GOP candidate for governor of New York is an obviously racist fucker, and Rush Limbaugh, race-baiting moron extraordinaire, is kow-towed to by the leadership of the GOP. If you look through LGF over the past year, you will find many, many articles about the racist tactics being used by the GOP in the current moment.

I reject your premise that bigotry has ever been marginal in the US. We have made enormous progress, but we have had a long, long way to go-- and a long way ahead of us, as well.

125 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:05:32pm

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126 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:05:54pm

re: #123 palomino

You've got it backwards. Don't you see that if Palin gets elected, then that IS the revolution--the great Second American Revolution, the restoration of all that is good and wholesome as foretold in the bible.

There is a group of people who would definitely see it that way....

Then the honeymoon celebration would wear off.

Happens to most admins in one way or another.

127 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:06:52pm

re: #118 palomino

Your post is self-contradictory. Americans love their national diversity, yet are simultaneously looking for a scapegoat?

Yes- that's called human nature.

As for Muslims, I think you've got it all wrong. It's doubtful that a majority of Americans would be happy if the Muslim population started to grow more rapidly. Just as many aren't happy about the growing Hispanic population. Americans may "love diversity", but there are a lot of qualifiers to that assertion.

They said that about Catholics and Jews, too.

You really don't think it's likely that the anti-Muslim rhetoric (mostly from the right) was tamped down by Bush's smart sober words that "we are not at war with Islam"? Or that similar words coming from Obama would carry less weight with the tea party crowd?

Bush's 'smart sober words' were a snapshot in time. New economic realities, for example, have a profound impact on political realities.

Look, one-third of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim; one-third also think he's a tyrant. That's a pretty fertile breeding ground for heightened Islamophobia, catalyzing what was always just beneath the surface.

One third of Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.

128 Lidane  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:08:15pm

re: #118 palomino

Look, one-third of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim; one-third also think he's a tyrant.

The Muslim thing is pure bigotry and willful ignorance. They're so twisted up about the fact that a black man with an African name won the election over the old white guy that they will cling to anything to make Obama an "other".

The tyrant thing makes me scratch my head. Have they even paid attention to this guy? He couldn't be a tyrant if you held a gun to his head. The guy's far too mellow for that.

129 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:09:10pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

re: #110 Gus 802

That's awful! I always admired Scott Carpenter, whose achievements extend far beyond his rather brief involvement with Project Mercury. I have had rather less esteem for Harrison Schmidt for various reasons, but I am still very disappointed to see a fellow geologist jump on board with cranks.

Yeah. I suppose it was expected of Schmidt given that he is anti-AGW and was once a Republican Senator (NM). Wouldn't have thought Carpenter would go that way. Then again both are from the old school astronaut corps. Both couldn't have picked a crazier candidate to endorse.

130 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:09:10pm

re: #127 researchok

They said that about Catholics and Jews, too.

You're not really doing your argument that bigotry in the US wasn't mainstream an favors, you know.


One third of Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.

That's a misreading of the statistic. It's untrue. Various polls have shown that 1/3 of Americans believe Bush bears some culpability for the attacks-- as in, he ignored warnings that the attacks might happen-- or other variations on that theme. 1/3 of Americans are not truthers.

If you believe otherwise, please prove it.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:09:24pm

re: #123 palomino

You've got it backwards. Don't you see that if Palin gets elected, then that IS the revolution--the great Second American Revolution, the restoration of all that is good and wholesome as foretold in the bible.

Got chapter and verse for that one?

132 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:10:23pm

You know if one of their own gets elected president and they increase spending, they'll be like oh so and so is really a liberal and RINO. It's always that they're not conservative enough not that conservative ideology may have some flaws and not be as perfect as they think it is.

133 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:10:29pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Got chapter and verse for that one?

Esther!

Where's Freetoken?

/

134 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:11:27pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

The Tea Party didn't give a shit about any of this when a Republican was in power, and they won't give a shit when a Republican is again in power.

If people want more responsible government, they will vote for candidates who can provide it, which is what I try to do. That won't include any of the Tea Party's darlings, who are economically clueless to a man and woman.

No one is 'pretending things are just peachy in DC'. They haven't been for a very, very long time, if ever.

The Tea Party people don't know what they want, and they'll vote, as far as I can tell, for any social conservative with no record, no accomplishments, and an ability to yak about lower taxes.

Couldn't agree more. The tea parties main concerns aren't policy wonkery. They're a group that feels threatened (after previously feeling entitled) and the glue that holds them together is cultural, tribal and highly partisan.

135 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:11:29pm

re: #37 SpaceJesus

this is quite possibly the stupidest thing i will see for a while

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

136 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:11:45pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Esther!

Where's Freetoken?

/

Is that her Kabbalah name?

137 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:11:46pm

re: #124 Obdicut

Okay. You said:

Bigotry was completely mainstream very, very recently in the US. It has remained very strong, and very prevalent. Bigotry is being mainstreamed again, to the extent that the GOP candidate for governor of New York is an obviously racist fucker, and Rush Limbaugh, race-baiting moron extraordinaire, is kow-towed to by the leadership of the GOP. If you look through LGF over the past year, you will find many, many articles about the racist tactics being used by the GOP in the current moment.

I reject your premise that bigotry has ever been marginal in the US. We have made enormous progress, but we have had a long, long way to go-- and a long way ahead of us, as well.

The reason bigotry in the south was so long lived had a lot to do with politics- for decades, Democrat politics kept racism front and center.

I agree we've come a long way and that is my point. Today, Racism is marginal and has been for decades. Scare tactics aside, I do not believe we're going back. We may have more work to do but the Bull Connor days are over.

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:12:05pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Esther!

Where's Freetoken?

/

You know, if Obama really is a tyrant, and Sarah really is mean to be Queen Esther--wouldn't that suggest that she should sleep with him? Or is he Haman, and someone else is Achashvarosh?

139 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:12:39pm

re: #130 Obdicut

You're not really doing your argument that bigotry in the US wasn't mainstream an favors, you know.

That's a misreading of the statistic. It's untrue. Various polls have shown that 1/3 of Americans believe Bush bears some culpability for the attacks-- as in, he ignored warnings that the attacks might happen-- or other variations on that theme. 1/3 of Americans are not truthers.

If you believe otherwise, please prove it.

Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy

140 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:12:53pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, if Obama really is a tyrant, and Sarah really is mean to be Queen Esther--wouldn't that suggest that she should sleep with him? Or is he Haman, and someone else is Achashvarosh?

Don't ask me but that is an interesting scenario.

141 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:13:14pm

re: #122 Alouette

Ah, yes, Kefitzat Haderech. Ironically, it's the only possible way to explain how Santa Claus delivers all those toys at Christmas.

142 elevenbravo1969  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:16:07pm

Would one of you jokers please get word to Charles for me? Ask him to kindly hit the 'delete' button on my account. Thanks.

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:16:42pm

re: #142 elevenbravo1969

Would one of you jokers please get word to Charles for me? Ask him to kindly hit the 'delete' button on my account. Thanks.

Do I look like your mother, or your hotel concierge?

144 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:16:55pm

re: #137 researchok

The reason bigotry in the south was so long lived had a lot to do with politics- for decades, Democrat politics kept racism front and center.

Oh for fuck's sake, dude, you're better than that shit.

I agree we've come a long way and that is my point. Today, Racism is marginal and has been for decades. Scare tactics aside, I do not believe we're going back. We may have more work to do but the Bull Connor days are over.

Really-- after the attacks on ACORN, after the attacks on Shirley Sherrod, in the face of the huge numbers of GOP members who think Obama is a Muslim or question where he was born, after the "Black Panthers!!!eleventy!" meme is kept alive for months upon months, after Limbaugh's constant race-baiting, after the race-based attacks on Sotomayor, after all of this, you still conclude that racism is marginal and has been for decades. So it was marginal in 2000, when McCain was smeared with the rumor he'd fathered an illegitimate black child?

Seriously, dude.

145 Gus  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:17:09pm

re: #142 elevenbravo1969

Eleventybravo!

//

146 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:17:23pm

Dramatist.

147 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:17:51pm

re: #142 elevenbravo1969

Would one of you jokers please get word to Charles for me? Ask him to kindly hit the 'delete' button on my account. Thanks.

Contact him yourself or just do what most people do and don't make your internet ever come to the site. It's not like it's a hard thing to do. Or at least it shouldn't be.

148 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:18:38pm

I think muslims need some introspection and take responsibility for this anti-mosque craze. That being said, saying Bush did anything right during his presidency makes Reynolds an idiot.

149 Michael Orion Powell  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:18:48pm

Aside from some speeches he has given, Obama would do alot to channel his 2008 candidate persona and address this growing issue head on. It's a fundamental larger issue of status anxiety and tolerance that goes beyond Cordoba House being built in New York.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:19:31pm

re: #148 Basho

I think muslims need some introspection and take responsibility for this anti-mosque craze. That being said, saying Bush did anything right during his presidency makes Reynolds an idiot.

1. Why are Muslims responsible for hatred and irrational nuttiness being whipped up by non-Muslims.

2. Bush didn't do ANYTHING right? For eight years?

151 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:19:47pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

Do I look like your mother, or your hotel concierge?

No, you look like a "joker" apparently.
I can't imagine it's all that difficult to simply NOT type "littlegreenfootballs.com" into your browser.

152 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:19:52pm

re: #142 elevenbravo1969

The class of 2004 never stops giving.

153 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:21:10pm

re: #142 elevenbravo1969

It's very important to let daddy know they hate, hate, hate him.

No way they can just stop visiting LGF -- a statement has to be made.

154 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:21:12pm

re: #139 researchok

Here is the actual data:

"Federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them".

59% "not likely"
20% "somewhat likely"
16% "very likely"[13]

Why are you saying that 'somewhat likely' means 'believes this to be true'?

Why are you ignoring that the question could easily be interpreted as saying that the federal government didn't take actions that they should have to stop the attacks?

155 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:21:30pm

re: #137 researchok

I think of racism more like a flood. If you don't build and maintain good levees, they deluge with come again.

156 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:21:54pm

re: #142 elevenbravo1969

Given that this is your first post since 9-9-2007, it appears that you have self-deleted. Now stay that way.

157 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:22:20pm

re: #148 Basho

I think muslims need some introspection and take responsibility for this anti-mosque craze.

What the fuck does this mean?

158 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:22:25pm

re: #155 Charleston Chew

they deluge

159 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:22:33pm

re: #144 Obdicut

Oh for fuck's sake, dude, you're better than that shit.

Really-- after the attacks on ACORN, after the attacks on Shirley Sherrod, in the face of the huge numbers of GOP members who think Obama is a Muslim or question where he was born, after the "Black Panthers!!!eleventy!" meme is kept alive for months upon months, after Limbaugh's constant race-baiting, after the race-based attacks on Sotomayor, after all of this, you still conclude that racism is marginal and has been for decades. So it was marginal in 2000, when McCain was smeared with the rumor he'd fathered an illegitimate black child?

Seriously, dude.

For starters.

Three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Democrats, or that 80 percent of the nay vote on the bill in the Senate came from the Democrats. Certainly there is no reference to the fact that the opposition included future Democratic Senate Leader Robert Byrd of West Virginia (a former Klan member) and Tennessee Senator Albert Gore, Sr., father of future Vice President Al Gore.

Birmingham, Alabama Public Safety Commissioner Bull Connor, who infamously unleashed dogs and fire hoses on civil rights protestors, was in fact — yes indeed — both a member of the Democratic National Committee and the Ku Klux Klan.

160 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:24:02pm

re: #155 Charleston Chew

I think of racism more like a flood. If you don't build and maintain good levees, they deluge with come again.

Of course, Bush/Cheney can still hit the levee with a torpedo!!!11!!
//

161 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:24:24pm

re: #154 Obdicut

Here is the actual data:

59% "not likely"
20% "somewhat likely"
16% "very likely"[13]

Why are you saying that 'somewhat likely' means 'believes this to be true'?

Why are you ignoring that the question could easily be interpreted as saying that the federal government didn't take actions that they should have to stop the attacks?

Because if you believe the Feds knew in advance and did nothing, you are a truther.

That crap comes in all flavors.

162 Lidane  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:25:29pm

re: #148 Basho

I think muslims need some introspection and take responsibility for this anti-mosque craze.

Uh, no. It's not their fault that a bunch of idiots have allowed themselves to be whipped into a paranoid frenzy since the 2008 election.

That being said, saying Bush did anything right during his presidency makes Reynolds an idiot.

Wrong again. I have never liked Bush. Never voted for the man, even when he ran for governor here in Texas. Saying he did NOTHING right in eight years is absurd. Surely he did at least one thing right when he was in office?

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:25:57pm

re: #159 researchok

For starters.

Three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Democrats, or that 80 percent of the nay vote on the bill in the Senate came from the Democrats. Certainly there is no reference to the fact that the opposition included future Democratic Senate Leader Robert Byrd of West Virginia (a former Klan member) and Tennessee Senator Albert Gore, Sr., father of future Vice President Al Gore.

Birmingham, Alabama Public Safety Commissioner Bull Connor, who infamously unleashed dogs and fire hoses on civil rights protestors, was in fact — yes indeed — both a member of the Democratic National Committee and the Ku Klux Klan.

And you feel that all of this reflects the planned machinations of Southern Democrats to keep racism alive? Rather than people living in a bigoted culture voting for politicians who promised to maintain the status quo?

164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:26:13pm

Oh Glenn you so crazy

165 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:26:20pm

re: #144 Obdicut

My point is that we have moved on.

Neither the dems or the GOP was the party they once were.

We're not going back.

166 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:26:22pm

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

1. Why are Muslims responsible for hatred and irrational nuttiness being whipped up by non-Muslims.

2. Bush didn't do ANYTHING right? For eight years?

-You don't think these nutty non-muslims have some legitimate grievances? The opposite is true of course.. much of the muslim world is anti-American, but we did bomb the crap out of Iraq for no good reason.

-Nope, can't think of a single thing.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:27:04pm

re: #161 researchok

Because if you believe the Feds knew in advance and did nothing, you are a truther.

That crap comes in all flavors.

I believe the Feds had warning something was coming, and failed to react appropriately. That's a LONG ways away from 'they knew what and when and where and didn't stop it'.

168 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:27:44pm

man, it's sorta nutty in here today!


I like how nono-democrats-are-totally-just-as-racist pops up like once a week here like a jack in the box

169 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:28:37pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

And you feel that all of this reflects the planned machinations of Southern Democrats to keep racism alive? Rather than people living in a bigoted culture voting for politicians who promised to maintain the status quo?

Not at all!

My point is that we have moved on- the nation has- we are not going back to those days.

To say otherwise is to engage in scare tactics.

The party out if power always is crazy and engages ibn crazy talk. Now, it is the GOP. Before, it was the Dems.

Truth is, I'm tired of it all.

170 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:28:41pm

re: #159 researchok

But then time marched on. Civil rights for African Americans became part of what the Democratic party stood for, causing them to loose the South and contributing to the wins of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr.

The party paid its political dues to purge its craving for the white racist vote, and in the process the Republicans became 'white racist vote' junkies. And they're still on the smack.

171 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:29:19pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

Do I look like your mother, or your hotel concierge?

I'm suddenly very curious to know whether or not you do in fact look like my mother, or like a hotel concierge.

172 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:29:24pm

re: #165 researchok

Oh, yeah, that was your point in talking about how the Democrats kept racism alive. Yep.

Hugely disappointed in you for this bullshit today, dude.

You do know, of course, that after the CRA was signed, many of those "Democrats" became Republicans, right?

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:29:42pm

re: #166 Basho

-You don't think these nutty non-muslims have some legitimate grievances?

No. I do not think that people protesting the Manhattan mosque have any legitimate 'grievances' against the people building it. I think they have fear and anger, directed at people they can't reach, but that is not a reason to act as they are acting.

174 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:30:05pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

I believe the Feds had warning something was coming, and failed to react appropriately. That's a LONG ways away from 'they knew what and when and where and didn't stop it'.

Obscure warnings are one thing.

Promoting the idea that we deliberately failed to act is quite another.

175 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:30:30pm

re: #164 WindUpBird

Oh Glenn you so crazy

Watch out, someone else might pop up after saying zilch for 3 years, and commit flounceakiri.

176 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:30:35pm

re: #153 Charles

It's very important to let daddy know they hate, hate, hate him.

and thusly is explained 98% of the porn industry.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:30:40pm

re: #171 negativ

I'm suddenly very curious to know whether or not you do in fact look like my mother, or like a hotel concierge.

Can you describe your mother?

178 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:30:44pm

re: #169 researchok

And the magical balance fairy dances.

So your contention is that if the GOP regains power, it'll stop all the current race-baiting?

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:31:09pm

re: #165 researchok

My point is that we have moved on.

Neither the dems or the GOP was the party they once were.

We're not going back.

GOP: far far far more racist than dems, using race as an institutional tool to win votes, southern strategy.


Democrats: not so much!


Maybe the GOP would be less racist if there weren't so many people trying to play apologist and of course f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-false equivalency with the modern GOP all the time? Modern of course being a term of art, the GOP is as modern these days as buckle shoes, horse-drawn carriages and untreated poilo.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:31:45pm

re: #178 Obdicut

And the magical balance fairy dances.

So your contention is that if the GOP regains power, it'll stop all the current race-baiting?

Perhaps more importantly, did the Democrats engage in such during the Bush years?

181 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:32:05pm

re: #153 Charles

It's very important to let daddy know they hate, hate, hate him.

No way they can just stop visiting LGF -- a statement has to be made.

It's like a lady in my garden club (who wasn't liked much anyways cause she was mean) who got offended by landscape designer speaker 6 months back. (The speaker talked about colored bark mulch and how they don't reccomend it because chemicals they use can leech in to the soil) So I guess this women was REALLY into colored bark mulch or something and THIS was it. So she doesn't show up for months until last meeting where she proceeds she isn't going to come to any more meetings anymore (Colored bark mulch forever!!) and to please remove her from the membership list and walks out.

Most people ,while a bit shocked at the weirdness, couldn't care less. Who wants someone that bizzare around anyways.

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:32:33pm

re: #178 Obdicut

And the magical balance fairy dances.

So your contention is that if the GOP regains power, it'll stop all the current race-baiting?


He's actually saying this? :D

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard

183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:34:13pm

re: #148 Basho

I think muslims need some introspection and take responsibility for this anti-mosque craze. That being said, saying Bush did anything right during his presidency makes Reynolds an idiot.

Gays need some introspection and take responsibility for being called rapists and alcoholics. it's totally their fault they're being driven out of their teaching jobs for no reason.


Stop hitting yourself, homo! hurr hurr

184 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:35:12pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you describe your mother?

Is this testing whether I'm a Replicant or a lesbian, Mister Decard?

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:36:27pm

re: #184 negativ

Is this testing whether I'm a Replicant or a lesbian, Mister Decard?

Uh, sure. Are you a Replicant or lesbian? Because if you are...it still won't help us decide if I look like your mother.

186 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:37:08pm

re: #183 WindUpBird

Gays need some introspection and take responsibility for being called rapists and alcoholics. it's totally their fault they're being driven out of their teaching jobs for no reason.

Stop hitting yourself, homo! hurr hurr

Wow, taking something not at all related to give the false appearance that what I said was ridiculous. Well played, Holmes.

187 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:37:54pm

re: #186 Basho


Well, what the fuck did you mean? Give a shot at explaining it, maybe?

188 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:38:10pm

re: #186 Basho

Wow, taking something not at all related to give the false appearance that what I said was ridiculous. Well played, Holmes.

Only unrelated if you don't see the xenophobia behind the anti-Muslim crusaders. But thanks for revealing a hell of a lot about yourself.

189 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:38:59pm

re: #172 Obdicut

Oh, yeah, that was your point in talking about how the Democrats kept racism alive. Yep.

Hugely disappointed in you for this bullshit today, dude.

You do know, of course, that after the CRA was signed, many of those "Democrats" became Republicans, right?

What bullshit? Rather than rewrite history, we ought to embrace it. There is more power in 'see how far we have travelled abnd what we have overcome' than 'we have been and are always perfect'. That doesn;t carrty quite the same believability.

And clearly, you missed the point.

These discussions aren't a 'winner take all' exercise. I'm not here to beat you over the head over a decades old dem platform- those days are long gone and will never be repeated. racism was not the purview of one party over another. Racism is human condition not a political one. Politicians only exploit that condition.

(and for the record, I enjoy our exchanges, respect you and appreciate your insights. I don't always agree but I consider yours a most valid voice)

As a nation, we have come a long way and we are not going back. I truly believe that while racism still exists (and always will), it is becoming more and more marginal. As far as I am concerned, those who use racism (as a scare tactic or as a hammer) are exploiting the ugliness for political gain.

There is no moral or social gain to be had by succumbing to racism.

190 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:40:03pm

re: #178 Obdicut

And the magical balance fairy dances.

So your contention is that if the GOP regains power, it'll stop all the current race-baiting?

Yeah, the GOP are all racists deep down.

Yeah.
/

Gimme a break.

191 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:40:13pm

re: #188 McSpiff

Only unrelated if you don't see the xenophobia behind the anti-Muslim crusaders. But thanks for revealing a hell of a lot about yourself.

Which is...? That I'm xenophobic? How did you arrive at that?

192 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:40:18pm

re: #148 Basho

I think muslims need some introspection and take responsibility for this anti-mosque craze. That being said, saying Bush did anything right during his presidency makes Reynolds an idiot.


What?
Seriously.
Explain.

193 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:41:13pm

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194 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:41:54pm

re: #189 researchok

Racism is human condition not a political one. Politicians only exploit that condition.

And at the moment those politicians are called Republicans. They were called something different in the past and will probably be called something different in the future but right now they are called Republicans.

195 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:42:06pm

r: #192 Vrk Rth

Bsh ws flr.

196 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:42:17pm

re: #191 Basho

Which is...? That I'm xenophobic? How did you arrive at that?

You know as a general rule if I say something and people respond to it in a way that doesn't reflect what I was trying to say I think hmmm, maybe I should try to explain what I actually meant in more detail so they can better understand.

197 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:42:35pm

re: #194 Charleston Chew

And at the moment those politicians are called Republicans. They were called something different in the past and will probably be called something different in the future but right now they are called Republicans.

Politicians across the board have exploited racism and still do.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:42:38pm

It's not that the Japanese Empire didn't attack the United States of America. It's not that we weren't at war with them.

It's that we screwed up when we allowed our legitimate fear and anger take the direction of hassling and persecuting people whose sole connection to the Japanese Empire was that they were ethnic Japanese.

Trashing American Muslims who try to build mosques fits into that category--except that since many American Muslims come from nations and regions that have absolutely no connection to the nations and regions the United States has been attacked by, it's even sketchier.

I say this as someone who assumes, with some reason, that many Muslims I meet and myself will have some deep ethnic and political issues that may not be fixable at the present time. That still doesn't allow me to stomp around protesting a mosque in Temecula.

199 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:42:39pm

re: #191 Basho

Which is...? That I'm xenophobic? How did you arrive at that?


Well...

I think muslims need some introspection and take responsibility for this anti-mosque craze.

And apparently being unable to see similarities between homophobia and whats going on now.

200 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:42:42pm

re: #195 Carmello the Don

Bush was a failure.

Not that part.
The bolded part.
Bolded for a reason.
;)

201 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:42:53pm

re: #189 researchok

These discussions aren't a 'winner take all' exercise. I'm not here to beat you over the head over a decades old dem platform-

Why did you bring it up at all?

racism was not the purview of one party over another.

I never claimed it was. You're having an argument with a position I never held. Congrats.

Racism is human condition not a political one. Politicians only exploit that condition.

And currently the GOP and the right-wing in general are exploiting the hell out of it.

You still haven't told me why, in the face of all the race-based politics in the moment, you believe bigotry is marginal-- except that you really, really believe that it is.

Again: why on earth do you believe that bigotry is not a mainstream force in US politics in the current moment, given the anti-Muslim bigotry that's being used as a political hobbyhorse in these midterm elections? Just take that one issue alone, never mind the anti-Obama crap, the anti-ACORN crap, the Shirley Sherrod bullshit, the Rand and Ron Paul crap, the Buchanan antisemite shite, the John Birch society racism, the anti-Mormon bigotry, and all the other current bigotry: Just explain why so many GOP politicians are running on a "Mosque bad" platform, if bigotry isn't mainstream.

202 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:43:18pm

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203 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:43:28pm

re: #190 researchok

Yeah, the GOP are all racists deep down.

Yeah.
/

Gimme a break.

I never even said anything close to that. Why the hell would you accuse me of doing so?

For fuck's sake.

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:43:48pm

re: #190 researchok

Yeah, the GOP are all racists deep down.

Yeah.
/

Gimme a break.

No, but the party's strategy for the past couple decades has involved manipulating racism to their political advantage. If you can see that Southern Democrats did that in the 50s and 60s, you can surely see what the recent record has looked like.

205 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:43:48pm

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206 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:44:18pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

Well-fucking-said.

207 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:44:37pm

re: #197 researchok

Politicians across the board have exploited racism and still do.

Yes, I agree. And the ones that do at this moment in time and at this location in the universe are called Republicans.

208 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:45:25pm

r: #204 SnFrncscZnst

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209 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:46:11pm

God dammit!
Who keeps letting out that damnable fairy?!?!

210 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:46:19pm

r: #207 Chrlstn Chw

S d Dmcrts s wll. Why d y gv thm pss fr thr rcsm? Bth prts shld b cndmnd fr ths rc crp.

211 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:46:36pm

re: #208 Carmello the Don

Is there an equivalent amount, in the current political environment, of racism coming from the 'right' and the 'left'?

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:46:37pm

re: #208 Carmello the Don

There are racist black democrats as well.

Terrific. I've never met one, but I'm sure they're out there. What expression has their racism taken that has influenced the actions of the Democratic Party?

213 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:47:37pm

re: #210 Carmello the Don

So do Democrats as well. Why do you give them a pass for their racism? Both parties should be condemned for this race crap.

Why do you insist on minimizing the bigotry in the GOP?

214 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:47:41pm

re: #187 Obdicut

Well, what the fuck did you mean? Give a shot at explaining it, maybe?

Fine. I was going to ignore this because of your attitude, but you ARE one of the reasonable ones.. so..

Often times when muslims commit a violent act, there is no mass condemnation from the muslim communities and/or their leaders. Go to any right-wing website that deals with "jihad" or whatever and this is their main tool to recruit people over to their side. It's powerful. Of course there are exceptions, but it's not widespread enough. And Spencer's followers are going to grow unless this perception is reversed.

215 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:48:49pm

r: #211 bdct

Ys bsltly thr s. Rpblcn rcsts tll thr trgts t thr fc. Th Dmcrts bck-stb thr trgts nd kp thm n Ghtts.

Bth prts r rcsts.

216 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:49:04pm

re: #214 Basho

So, why haven't I heard any widespread condemnations from Christians against the Lord's Resistance Army? The Army of God?

217 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:49:17pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you describe your mother?

Not accurately. She was full of anxiety and eventually developed profound craziness.

218 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:49:24pm

r: #213 Vrk Rth

Why d y nsst n mnmzng th bgtry n th GP?

Why r y dnyng dmcrtc rcsm?

219 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:49:51pm

re: #202 Carmello the Don

I don't know what goes on in a union hall, but I do know that of the 2 major political parties in the United States Of America in the year 2010 (autumn), it's the Republican who have deliberately employed the fears of white racist voters as part of their national strategy to regain a majority in the Congress.

220 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:49:59pm

re: #214 Basho

Often times when muslims commit a violent act, there is no mass condemnation from the muslim communities and/or their leaders.

There is.

[Link: www.religioustolerance.org...]

[Link: www.whyislam.org...]


So, now that you know you're factually incorrect, I assume you'll change your mind?

Or will you just say "It's not enough," no matter how widespread the condemnation is?

221 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:50:04pm

re: #218 Carmello the Don

Why are you denying democratic racism?

Answer my question, then I'll answer yours.

222 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:50:06pm

re: #201 Obdicut

Why did you bring it up at all?

I never claimed it was. You're having an argument with a position I never held. Congrats.

And currently the GOP and the right-wing in general are exploiting the hell out of it.

You still haven't told me why, in the face of all the race-based politics in the moment, you believe bigotry is marginal-- except that you really, really believe that it is.

Again: why on earth do you believe that bigotry is not a mainstream force in US politics in the current moment, given the anti-Muslim bigotry that's being used as a political hobbyhorse in these midterm elections? Just take that one issue alone, never mind the anti-Obama crap, the anti-ACORN crap, the Shirley Sherrod bullshit, the Rand and Ron Paul crap, the Buchanan antisemite shite, the John Birch society racism, the anti-Mormon bigotry, and all the other current bigotry: Just explain why so many GOP politicians are running on a "Mosque bad" platform, if bigotry isn't mainstream.

Racism was the topic of the post.

I believe racism is far more marginal today than it was. As you yourself noted, we've come a long way.

Lastly, I believe the anti Muslim sentiment is, as I said, a symptom more than anything else in the same way that much leftist anti Israel (and as of late, anti Jewish) sentiment is symptomatic of other issues.

The left/right divide is exploited by those who stand to benefit from that division. I truly believe most Americans have more in common than they have divisions.

Sometimes I wish we'd not lose sight of that.

223 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:50:19pm

re: #215 Carmello the Don

GAZE.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:50:30pm

re: #214 Basho

Fine. I was going to ignore this because of your attitude, but you ARE one of the reasonable ones.. so..

Often times when muslims commit a violent act, there is no mass condemnation from the muslim communities and/or their leaders. Go to any right-wing website that deals with "jihad" or whatever and this is their main tool to recruit people over to their side. It's powerful. Of course there are exceptions, but it's not widespread enough. And Spencer's followers are going to grow unless this perception is reversed.

Ironically enough, the guy trying to build the community center is someone who has repeatedly condemned terrorism. The response from the haters? It's not enough. He didn't use the right words. It's taqqiyah. We don't believe him.

It's as though I were blocking the building of a Unitarian church because I feel the Baptists didn't yell loud enough about Roeder.

It's ridiculous. This 'Muslims need to show us over and over that they're not really backing the bad guys' thing has run its course.

225 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:50:44pm

r: #212 SnFrncscZnst

Y nvr mt rcst blck Dmcrt? Hw bt Jss Jcksn nd L Shrptn fr strtrs?

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:51:17pm

re: #215 Carmello the Don

Yes absolutely there is. Republican racists tell their targets to their face. The Democrats back-stab their targets and keep them in Ghettos.

Both parties are racists.

So minorities don't live in bad neighborhoods under Republican leadership? Only Democrats 'keep them in ghettos'?

The Republicans want to let them out, honest, they do!

227 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:51:26pm

re: #214 Basho

Fine. I was going to ignore this because of your attitude, but you ARE one of the reasonable ones.. so..

Often times when muslims commit a violent act, there is no mass condemnation from the muslim communities and/or their leaders. Go to any right-wing website that deals with "jihad" or whatever and this is their main tool to recruit people over to their side. It's powerful. Of course there are exceptions, but it's not widespread enough. And Spencer's followers are going to grow unless this perception is reversed.

The response from Spencer and followers is to wave the magic taqquiyya wand and turn anything a Muslim says into a lie.

228 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:51:29pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

No, but the party's strategy for the past couple decades has involved manipulating racism to their political advantage. If you can see that Southern Democrats did that in the 50s and 60s, you can surely see what the recent record has looked like.

There is some truth to that, but that is changing- thankfully!

I have no use for exploitation- by anyone.

229 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:51:34pm

re: #216 Varek Raith

So, why haven't I heard any widespread condemnations from Christians against the Lord's Resistance Army? The Army of God?

Seriously.. I debated creationists on this site when it was littered with them, I debated climate denialists on this site when they were in charge.. you seriously think I'm gonna fall for an obvious red herring?

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:52:01pm

re: #217 negativ

Not accurately. She was full of anxiety and eventually developed profound craziness.

I'm full of anxiety, but am working on not developing profound craziness.

231 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:52:37pm

re: #229 Basho

Seriously.. I debated creationists on this site when it was littered with them, I debated climate denialists on this site when they were in charge.. you seriously think I'm gonna fall for an obvious red herring?

Heh, chickenshit.

232 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:52:43pm

re: #202 Carmello the Don

There are racist Democrats as well. Go into a union hall and see the how tolerant they are. Racism is really stupid and at this point it's a political weapon both parties use.

Welcome. I hope you enjoy your stay. And that's bullshit. I was in the IUE in Louisville, and they were less racist than my day-job student buddies at Uof L.

233 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:52:47pm

r: #221 Vrk Rth

cll t lk s t, thy r bth rcsts. knw y wnt tp bsh th GP bcs y'r ngry th Dmcrts r gng t ls hg n 2 wks, bt t lst b ntllctlly hnst. Rcsm s sd by bth prts t mnplt th wrkng clss.

234 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:52:55pm

re: #214 Basho

Fine. I was going to ignore this because of your attitude, but you ARE one of the reasonable ones.. so..

Often times when muslims commit a violent act, there is no mass condemnation from the muslim communities and/or their leaders. Go to any right-wing website that deals with "jihad" or whatever and this is their main tool to recruit people over to their side. It's powerful. Of course there are exceptions, but it's not widespread enough. And Spencer's followers are going to grow unless this perception is reversed.

And what would your suggestions be for the ones that do make the condemnations that do occur to be widespread enough to satisfy those who say it's not widespread enough?

Some centralized global 'muslim' website? Should Fox news set up a "I'm a muslim and I'm sorry this was wrong' page that regular Muslim folks can sign onto?

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:53:49pm

re: #225 Carmello the Don

You never met a racist black Democrat? How about Jesse Jackson and AL Sharpton for starters?

I have never met either of those gentlemen. Now, how are they currently, or even in the last decade or so, influencing Democratic policy or public presentation toward the use of racism?

236 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:53:50pm

re: #233 Carmello the Don

How about you stop assuming you have any idea what I'm thinking.
Mmmkay?

237 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:54:15pm

re: #210 Carmello the Don

I don't want to give anyone a pass on racism. Who are the Democrats that are employing racism as part of their political strategy? I'm admittedly not up on all the political races this year. Point me at them and let me rip them up. I can't stand racists in any party. Tell me who they are so I can take them down a peg.

238 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:54:26pm

I'm off to the salt mines.

(laundry. Even conservatives do laundry)

Later all!

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:55:01pm

re: #229 Basho

Seriously.. I debated creationists on this site when it was littered with them, I debated climate denialists on this site when they were in charge.. you seriously think I'm gonna fall for an obvious red herring?

I'd argue that your perspective is a red herring. There is literally nothing any American Muslim can do, besides become a Christian and write books about how ugly Islam is, that will placate the leaders of the anti-mosque suad.

240 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:55:32pm

r: #226 SnFrncscZnst

S mnrts dn't lv n bd nghbrhds ndr Rpblcn ldrshp? nly Dmcrts 'kp thm n ghtts'?

Ths nghbrhds r ndr Dmcrtc cntrl. Tht's why thy'r ghtts. Th Rpblcns r t lst hnst wth thr rcsm.

241 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:56:02pm

Hilariously pathetic.

242 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:56:08pm

re: #127 researchok


That's a lot of false equivalency you've thrown up there.

What does trutherism have to do with heightened Islamophobia? Nothing, but it's a stock answer you can use to muddy the waters.

Same with "economic realities". That hardly explains the rise in anti-Muslim fervor. And the tea partiers who see Obama as a Muslim had those feelings well before the economic collapse. If the economy were humming now it wouldn't matter. If Obama isn't "one of us," he's not gonna get credit for anything. And with so many revanchists seeing Obama as a closet Muslim, there's no question it affects the overall view of Muslims in America.

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:56:29pm

re: #240 Carmello the Don

So minorities don't live in bad neighborhoods under Republican leadership? Only Democrats 'keep them in ghettos'?

Those neighborhoods are under Democratic control. That's why they're ghettos. The Republicans are at least honest with their racism.

?

OK, now, about the Giants and the Phillies....

244 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:56:43pm

r: #235 SnFrncscZnst

S y r rlly clmng tht l Shrptn nd Jss Jcksn hv n nflnc n th Dmcrtc prty? Y srsly wnt t rg tht?

245 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:57:07pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

?

OK, now, about the Giants and the Phillies...

Yeah seriously...that was a bizzare comment.

246 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:57:22pm

re: #222 researchok

Lastly, I believe the anti Muslim sentiment is, as I said, a symptom more than anything else in the same way that much leftist anti Israel (and as of late, anti Jewish) sentiment is symptomatic of other issues.

How does this make any sense to you? Even if the bigotry is a symptom of something else-- it is still bigotry. . It is still bigotry that's being used as a political rallying cry.

I believe racism is far more marginal today than it was. As you yourself noted, we've come a long way.

Racism is far more marginal now than it was in, say 1900. It is still highly mainstream, as the mainstream use of bigotry by the GOP in these midterm elections use.

You appear to have two conflicting arguments:

1. Bigotry is 'just' a symptom of something else.
2. Bigotry is marginal.

The latter is clearly false. The anti-Muslim bigotry alone is at a height, not to mention the anti-semitic bigotry from the Birch Society/Paulian/Buchanan wing, the anti-black Bigotry against Obama, ACORN, Shirley Sherrod, etc., or the anti-Hispanic bigotry in the 'illegals are sawing people's heads off' bullshit.

Point 1. seems to be utterly, well, pointless. Say that bigotry is a symptom of something else. So fucking what? It's still bigotry. It's not any use to Jews that the times we tend to get massacred are after economic depressions, as scapegoats. It's still bigoted to use us as scapegoats.

247 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:57:40pm

re: #240 Carmello the Don


Those neighborhoods are under Democratic control. That's why they're ghettos.


This is just silly.

248 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:57:56pm

re: #244 Carmello the Don

So you are really claiming that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have no influence in the Democratic party? You seriously want to argue that?

Prove it.
When's the last time the head of the DNC had to apologize to one of them like Steele had to with Limbaugh?

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:57:56pm

re: #244 Carmello the Don

So you are really claiming that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have no influence in the Democratic party? You seriously want to argue that?

Give me an example. Tell me what racism you currently see them promoting or normalizing in the party.

250 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:58:07pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Got chapter and verse for that one?

Book of Sarah, 1:1.

Also Book of Revelation, 6:66.

251 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:58:35pm

re: #234 Jadespring

And what would your suggestions be for the ones that do make the condemnations that do occur to be widespread enough to satisfy those who say it's not widespread enough?

Some centralized global 'muslim' website? Should Fox news set up a "I'm a muslim and I'm sorry this was wrong' page that regular Muslim folks can sign onto?

Well something.. I don't have cable, but I somehow know about all these right wingers condemning that NYC mosque on Fox News, yet, to find muslim leaders condemning Islamic extremism I have to visit those two websites Obdicut linked to to find them compiled.

What about CAIR? Wonder why I haven't heard from them in years...

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:58:37pm

re: #248 Varek Raith

Prove it.
When's the last time the head of the DNC had to apologize to one of them like Steele had to with Limbaugh?

Jesse Jackson did say that he wanted to castrate Obama, but Obama still got the nomination. Just sayin'.

253 pharmmajor  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:58:51pm

Megan McCain hits the nail on the head: Christine O'Donnell is a "nut job"
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

254 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:59:04pm

r: #237 Chrlstn Chw

dn't wnt t gv nyn pss n rcsm. Wh r th Dmcrts tht r mplyng rcsm s prt f thr pltcl strtgy? 'm dmttdly nt p n ll th pltcl rcs ths yr. Pnt m t thm nd lt m rp thm p. cn't stnd rcsts n ny prty. Tll m wh thy r s cn tk thm dwn pg.


Th whl Dmcrtc pltfrm f mkng mnrts dpndnt n gvrnmnt s rcst. t ssms tht nn whts r blgclly nfrr t whts. Thrfr thy cn't cmpt gnst th mstr rc nd nd t b tkn cr f. Tht's rcst tttd Dmcrts hv.

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:59:37pm

re: #251 Basho

Well something.. I don't have cable, but I somehow know about all these right wingers condemning that NYC mosque on Fox News, yet, to find muslim leaders condemning Islamic extremism I have to visit those two websites Obdicut linked to to find them compiled.

What about CAIR? Wonder why I haven't heard from them in years...

In other words, it is incumbent upon people who share a religion with terrorists to spend their days saying sorry a lot, lest they be lumped in with the terrorists.

Yeah.

256 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:59:39pm

r: #247 jnt

Ths s jst slly.

Dsprv wht jst wrt'

257 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:59:40pm

re: #251 Basho

Are you listening to yourself?

Your complaint is now that the mass media doesn't do a good enough job of publicizing Muslims condemning terrorist attacks-- it's not that Muslims aren't doing it.

So, what was your original argument? How does it look now?

258 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:59:45pm

re: #231 Varek Raith

Heh, chickenshit.

Heh, douchebag.

/I can call people names too!! I'm so cool.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 12:59:54pm

re: #253 pharmmajor

Megan McCain hits the nail on the head: Christine O'Donnell is a "nut job"
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Megan McCain is a bright young woman.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:00:06pm

re: #254 Carmello the Don

The whole Democratic platform of making minorities dependent on government is racist. It assumes that non whites are biologically inferior to whites. Therefore they can't compete against the master race and need to be taken care of. That's a racist attitude Democrats have.

What bullcrap.

261 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:00:10pm

re: #208 Carmello the Don

There are racist black democrats as well.

ZOMG!!!111!!!!
Who knew?
Thank God you are here to let us in on that sekrit info dude.
/

262 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:00:13pm

re: #256 Carmello the Don
Read some U.S. history first.

263 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:00:29pm

r: #249 SnFrncscZnst

S my 254.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:00:36pm

re: #254 Carmello the Don

The whole Democratic platform of making minorities dependent on government is racist. It assumes that non whites are biologically inferior to whites. Therefore they can't compete against the master race and need to be taken care of. That's a racist attitude Democrats have.

Please identify the part of the Democratic platform that says 'minorities should be dependent on government'.

265 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:00:59pm

re: #254 Carmello the Don

The whole Democratic platform of making minorities dependent on government is racist. It assumes that non whites are biologically inferior to whites. Therefore they can't compete against the master race and need to be taken care of. That's a racist attitude Democrats have.

Could you quote that imaginary plank from your notional Democratic platform? Must be online somewhere.

266 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:01:19pm

r: #260 SnFrncscZnst

t's tr nd y knw t.

267 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:01:34pm

re: #257 Obdicut

Are you listening to yourself?

Your complaint is now that the mass media doesn't do a good enough job of publicizing Muslims condemning terrorist attacks-- it's not that Muslims aren't doing it.

So, what was your original argument? How does it look now?

Huh? Did you read what I was responding to?

268 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:01:38pm

What's up with all the stupidity in here today?

269 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:01:54pm

re: #258 Basho

Heh, douchebag.

/I can call people names too!! I'm so cool.

Seriously.
Where's the widespread condemnation in the Christian community for the Christian terrorists?
Hmmm?
Why demand that only Muslims do it?

270 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:02:03pm

r: #265 Dctr Db

Why d Dmcrts ssm mnrts nd gvrnmnt ssstnc t mk t n mrcn scty?

xpln tht n!

271 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:02:10pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

What's up with all the stupidity in here today?

We have a newbie troll.

272 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:02:23pm

re: #251 Basho

Well something.. I don't have cable, but I somehow know about all these right wingers condemning that NYC mosque on Fox News, yet, to find muslim leaders condemning Islamic extremism I have to visit those two websites Obdicut linked to to find them compiled.

What about CAIR? Wonder why I haven't heard from them in years...

CAIR has been all over the place. Even talked about here. If you haven't heard from them it's because you aren't looking. Finding about what other people think isn't just their responsibility. Communication is two way street. Just because it isn't dropped on your doorstep in letter or blazed across the news paper headlines that we might see while going for coffee doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that there aren't people trying to get the message out.

273 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:02:33pm

r: #264 SnFrncscZnst

Tht's th tttd, r y dnyng ths?

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:02:50pm

re: #266 Carmello the Don

It's true and you know it.

You can't provide any examples or reasonable arguments for what you're saying, so you settle for, "I know" what you're saying is true?

Try again.

What plank of the Democratic platform says that minority groups should be dependent on government?

275 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:02:56pm

re: #159 researchok

For starters.

Three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Democrats, or that 80 percent of the nay vote on the bill in the Senate came from the Democrats. Certainly there is no reference to the fact that the opposition included future Democratic Senate Leader Robert Byrd of West Virginia (a former Klan member) and Tennessee Senator Albert Gore, Sr., father of future Vice President Al Gore.

Birmingham, Alabama Public Safety Commissioner Bull Connor, who infamously unleashed dogs and fire hoses on civil rights protestors, was in fact — yes indeed — both a member of the Democratic National Committee and the Ku Klux Klan.

The opposition to the bill broke down on liberal/conservative lines more than any other axis. Liberals supported it, conservatives (Dixiecrats, Goldwater, et al) opposed it. And nearly ALL those Dems who opposed it later became Republicans. Ever heard of the Southern Strategy.

You're also forgetting that it was Dems who drafted the bill, introduced it, got it passed and signed it. Your revisionism is lacking context to say the least.

276 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:03:00pm

re: #270 Carmello the Don

Why do Democrats assume minorities need government assistance to make it in American society?

Explain that one!

They don't. Find the platform plank.

277 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:03:30pm

Th Rpblcns nd Dmcrts r bth rcsts. n s n yr fc rcsm, th thr s rcsm f lwr xpcttns.

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:03:32pm

re: #273 Carmello the Don

That's the attitude, are you denying this?

"The attitude". Come on, give me some facts. Yes, I am denying that.

279 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:03:35pm

re: #267 Basho

Huh? Did you read what I was responding to?

Yes. You complained that Muslims weren't condemning the terrorist attacks. I showed you that they are, but that it's not being reported on. Your original complaint, therefore, is false, so I expect that you'd conclude that your original argument-- that Muslims should take responsibility for the anti-Muslim sentiment-- was incorrect.

280 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:04:23pm

re: #266 Carmello the Don

It's true and you know it.

Prove it.

281 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:04:23pm

Heh the last gasps from a dying party.. "they...wheeze...do...wheeze...it...wheeeeze...tooo"

282 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:04:26pm

r: #274 SnFrncscZnst

S why d Dmcrts ssm mnrts nd gvrnmnt hlp t mk t? Y rlly r lyng thrgh yr tth bt ths.

283 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:04:27pm

re: #254 Carmello the Don

Hmmm, that's an interestingly abstract idea you've had, but for now I want to focus on the perpetrators of racism in the Democratic Party. I myself have voted Democratic in the part and planned on it again in this election so I'm highly motivated to learn about racists in the party to make sure I don't vote for one. What are their names, for instance?

284 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:05:30pm

r: #280 Vrk Rth

Prv t.

Tk lk t th Ghtts. Thy r cntrlld by Dmcrtc mchns fr 4 dcds nd thy r stll bd. Tht's prf rght thr!

285 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:05:46pm

re: #282 Carmello the Don

So why do Democrats assume minorities need government help to make it? You really are lying through your teeth about this.

First.
Prove your assertions that "Democrats assume minorities need government help to make it"
Prove it.

286 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:05:54pm

re: #282 Carmello the Don

So why do Democrats assume minorities need government help to make it? You really are lying through your teeth about this.

I'm sure you have something to back any of this horse shit up? What? You're only repeating talking points? Haven't had any independent thought since '93 when you decided to hold the pickles at McDonalds?

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:06:14pm

re: #282 Carmello the Don

So why do Democrats assume minorities need government help to make it? You really are lying through your teeth about this.

You keep saying this over and over and over, and several people have asked you for some evidence of what you are saying. Apparently you cannot provide any evidence, so you're moving to calling me a liar.

Assume I'm just naive. Provide me with some kind of actual evidence that the Democratic Party believes that minorities 'need government help to make it'. "Everyone knows" is not evidence.

288 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:06:29pm

re: #271 Reginald Perrin

We have a newbie troll.

And they are an amusing one....

289 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:06:45pm

r: #283 Chrlstn Chw

Rcst Dmcrts:

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Chck Shmr
Nncy Pls
Hrry Rd
Hwrd Dn

Thy r ll rcsts.

290 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:06:51pm

re: #270 Carmello the Don

Why do Democrats assume minorities need government assistance to make it in American society?

Newt, is that you?
Or maybe Patrick J?

Of course poor white people NEVER use welfare or food stamps or section 8 or medicaid or scholarships or pell grants.
Women have NEVER been considered a minority that gets a bit of help to get past that "white dudes have been in charge forever and they don't want to give up their good thing to anyone else" hump and get an education AND go past that glass ceiling...or just be able to vote.

You happen to be an ass I think....

291 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:07:06pm

re: #287 SanFranciscoZionist

You keep saying this over and over and over, and several people have asked you for some evidence of what you are saying. Apparently you cannot provide any evidence, so you're moving to calling me a liar.

Assume I'm just naive. Provide me with some kind of actual evidence that the Democratic Party believes that minorities 'need government help to make it'. "Everyone knows" is not evidence.

Hell, I'm not even American! I'm Canadian eh? And we're kina...slooow.

Spell it out for me Don. I'm totally naive to how the ghettos work in America.

292 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:07:07pm

re: #284 Carmello the Don

Take a look at the Ghettos. They are controlled by Democratic machines for 4 decades and they are still bad. That's proof right there!

It couldn't possibly be that ghettos produce Democrats. Must be the other way around. Shabby.

293 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:07:12pm

Lmao.

294 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:08:10pm

r: #287 SnFrncscZnst

Tk lk t Chrl Rngl's dstrct. t ws ghtt whn h frst gt lctd, t's stll ghtt.

295 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:08:23pm

re: #271 Reginald Perrin

We have a newbie troll.

Maybe not so much of a newbie.

296 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:08:44pm

re: #284 Carmello the Don

Take a look at the Ghettos. They are controlled by Democratic machines for 4 decades and they are still bad. That's proof right there!

Take a look at this graph.
All the proof you need!
Image: piratesarecool4.jpg

297 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:09:02pm

re: #289 Carmello the Don

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
wocka wocka wocka

298 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:09:14pm

re: #290 webevintage

Newt, is that you?
Or maybe Patrick J?

Of course poor white people NEVER use welfare or food stamps or section 8 or medicaid or scholarships or pell grants.
Women have NEVER been considered a minority that gets a bit of help to get past that "white dudes have been in charge forever and they don't want to give up their good thing to anyone else" hump and get an education AND go past that glass ceiling...or just be able to vote.

You happen to be an ass I think...

Poor white people (when they exist, and solely due to losing their jobs from affirmative action or some bullshit 'sexual harassment' complaint) simply turn to their fellow Christians for support. As God and Regan intended.

299 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:09:27pm

re: #291 McSpiff

Hell, I'm not even American! I'm Canadian eh? And we're kina...slooow.

Spell it out for me Don. I'm totally naive to how the ghettos work in America.

Hee. I was just going to post something similar. Explain it to someone who doesn't have a card in either Dem or Rep world.

300 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:09:33pm

r: #290 wbvntg

S Wmn r blgclly nfrr s wll n th Dmcrtc plybk. Gd n!

Y Dmcrts r n dffrnt thn th Nzs. t lst thy wr hnst bt thr flngs.

301 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:09:38pm

re: #254 Carmello the Don

The whole Democratic platform of making minorities dependent on government is racist. It assumes that non whites are biologically inferior to whites. Therefore they can't compete against the master race and need to be taken care of. That's a racist attitude Democrats have.

You're robotically repeating Limbaugh's talking points.

The Democratic Party, unlike the gop, is now run largely by minorities. I find it hard to believe all those blacks, Hispanics and Asians who increasingly control the party are actually colluding to promote white supremacy.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:09:57pm

re: #294 Carmello the Don

Take a look at Charlie Rangel's district. It was ghetto when he first got elected, it's still ghetto.

So, do you feel that a Republican in the same office would have de-ghettoized the place? Have you an example of such a thing happening?

303 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:10:10pm

re: #270 Carmello the Don

Why do Democrats assume minorities need government assistance to make it in American society?

Explain that one!

In the reality based universe, the inhabitants believe some poor people may need assistance. It happens to be an inconvenient truth that African American's are disproportionally over-represented amongst the poor.

304 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:10:14pm

re: #300 Carmello the Don

So WOmen are biologically inferior as well in the Democratic playbook. Good one!

You Democrats are no different than the Nazis. At least they were honest about their feelings.

Oops....now you've done it.

Godwin! LOL

305 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:10:18pm

re: #300 Carmello the Don

So, who were you before you were banned???

306 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:10:28pm

r: #296 Vrk Rth

Wht ds tht hv t d wth th fct th Ghtts r rprsntd by Dmcrts?

Hnt: nthng!

307 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:10:37pm

Google search for
"Why do Democrats assume minorities need government help to make it?"
Look who comes up in second place.
[Link: www.google.com...]

308 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:10:38pm

re: #300 Carmello the Don

So WOmen are biologically inferior as well in the Democratic playbook. Good one!

You Democrats are no different than the Nazis. At least they were honest about their feelings.

B-B-But you're Hitler!

Right, you've proved your point, showed us we're all horrible people. Now crawl back into your swap.

309 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:10:50pm

re: #279 Obdicut

Yes. You complained that Muslims weren't condemning the terrorist attacks. I showed you that they are, but that it's not being reported on. Your original complaint, therefore, is false, so I expect that you'd conclude that your original argument-- that Muslims should take responsibility for the anti-Muslim sentiment-- was incorrect.

Putting it that way you're absolutely right.

310 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:11:00pm

re: #261 webevintage

ZOMG!!!111!!!
Who knew?
Thank God you are here to let us in on that sekrit info dude.
/

ACORN!

Two black guys at a polling station!

Obama's America...we good white Christian folks will now be the slaves.

311 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:11:22pm

re: #309 Basho

Putting it that way you're absolutely right.

Thank you.

312 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:11:30pm

re: #294 Carmello the Don

Take a look at Charlie Rangel's district. It was ghetto when he first got elected, it's still ghetto.

Well actually parts of Harlem have had a bit of a Renaissance...

Hell, Bill O' even went to dinner with Sharpton at a restaurant then and found out that brown folks act just like the rest of us.
None of that "hey, get me some motherfucking tea" like Bill O' thought they would.

313 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:11:43pm

r: #302 SnFrncscZnst

Th Rpblcn prbbly wld hv thm chsd t. Thy r rcst s wll. 'm nt gvng thm pss thr. Bsh ws rlly rcst slm-bll.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:11:44pm

re: #300 Carmello the Don

So WOmen are biologically inferior as well in the Democratic playbook. Good one!

You Democrats are no different than the Nazis. At least they were honest about their feelings.

And, the magical balance fairy flutters off, and we are left with a very obvious troll here.

Seems to me that according to your logic, though, Republicans are more like Nazis, since neither group lies about their racism.

//Please, Republicans on this list, do not strike me with lightning for this, I am just screwing around at this point.

315 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:12:06pm

re: #306 Carmello the Don

Hint!
It does actually have meaning to your posts.
You just can't see it.
XD

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:12:13pm

re: #303 Reginald Perrin

In the reality based universe, the inhabitants believe some poor people may need assistance. It happens to be an inconvenient truth that African American's are disproportionally over-represented amongst the poor.

But that's the Democrats' fault!

317 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:12:23pm

re: #289 Carmello the Don

Oh, no! I voted for President Obama. I even spent a little time canvasing for his campaign. The idea that I volunteered my time in support of a racist makes me sick inside. I need to write a letter to him and other Democrats in protest. What specific events or actions of the President should I cite in that letter?

318 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:12:30pm

Oh brother.

319 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:12:50pm

re: #313 Carmello the Don

The Republican probably would have them chased out. They are racist as well. I'm not giving them a pass either. Bush was really a racist slime-ball.

HEY GUYS! HE DOESN'T LIKE BUSH EITHER! LET'S WELCOME HIM WITH OPEN ARMS!

Wait a minute... something doesn't seem right about this one....

320 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:13:24pm

Correlation does not imply causation
Correlation does not imply causation
Correlation does not imply causation
Correlation does not imply causation
Correlation does not imply causation
Correlation does not imply causation
Correlation does not imply causation
Correlation does not imply causation
Big enough hint???

321 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:13:34pm

re: #254 Carmello the Don

The whole Democratic platform of making minorities dependent on government is racist. It assumes that non whites are biologically inferior to whites. Therefore they can't compete against the master race and need to be taken care of. That's a racist attitude Democrats have.

There is nothing in the dem platform calling to make minorities dependent on the Government you dumb son of a bitch..There is no assumptions either...
You are really pissing me off...Who are you, Rush's little bitch?
My Aunt is a party official and you really came to the wrong place to talk shit about racism...Cause..You know..You aren't going to enjoy your time here while I'm logged in..You can take it to the bank.. You have a simple mind and worldview of politics..

322 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:13:37pm

r: #303 Rgnld Prrn

h s Blcks nlk thr thnc grps cn't chv sccss. Tht's rcst ssmptn rght thr.

Typcl KKKrckr tttd!

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:13:38pm

re: #312 webevintage

Well actually parts of Harlem have had a bit of a Renaissance...

Hell, Bill O' even went to dinner with Sharpton at a restaurant then and found out that brown folks act just like the rest of us.
None of that "hey, get me some motherfucking tea" like Bill O' thought they would.

Only time I've ever actually felt sympathy for Al Sharpton.

324 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:13:39pm

re: #277 Carmello the Don

The Republicans and Democrats are both racists. One is in your face racism, the other is racism of lower expectations.

Everyone is racist!

How's that for equivalency?

325 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:14:04pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

And, the magical balance fairy flutters off, and we are left with a very obvious troll here.

Seems to me that according to your logic, though, Republicans are more like Nazis, since neither group lies about their racism.

//Please, Republicans on this list, do not strike me with lightning for this, I am just screwing around at this point.

I think it's more as 'everyone who doesn't think or see things the way I do...is...is....a...umm....yeah I know a Nazi!' thing at play. Distinct lack of creative thinking there. Nazi meme is so old and obvious.

326 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:14:34pm

r: #314 SnFrncscZnst

Th Rpblcns r rcst KKKrckrs ls. Bth prts dny th trth f th rgnl mn.

327 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:14:43pm

re: #289 Carmello the Don

Racist Democrats:

Barack Obama
Al Sharpton
Chuck Shumer
Nancy Pelosi
Harry Reid
Howard Dean

They are all racists.

Which Republicans are racists?

328 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:14:47pm

Throw a load of laundry in and all hell breaks loose.

Carmello, I'm sure you are a nice guy, but you are also an idiot.

Understanding race in America is not determined by slogans or political affiliation.

329 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:14:50pm

re: #295 Charles

Maybe not so much of a newbie.

Poor wording choice in my comment, it's a new sock. They just can't get "Daddy" out of their heads.

330 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:15:45pm

re: #300 Carmello the Don

So WOmen are biologically inferior as well in the Democratic playbook. Good one!

You Democrats are no different than the Nazis. At least they were honest about their feelings.

When you eat do they put a cork on the end of your fork so you don't stick it in your eye or jugular?

331 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:15:45pm

re: #322 Carmello the Don

Ah so Blacks unlike other ethnic groups can't achieve success. That's a racist assumption right there.

Typical KKKracker attitude!

Since Republicans largely represent poverty in rural America, does that mean the Republicans have a deliberate platform of keeping certain areas of rural America poor and under-educated? Are these same areas not also largely white in many instances?

WHY DO THE REPUBLICANS HATE WHITE PEOPLE?

332 Carmello the Don  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:15:49pm

r: #323 SnFrncscZnst

Fw blcks f Hrlm rnd 125th. Try tkng yr cspr ss thrgh th rst nd s wht's th dl. Th gds dn't b plyng tht gm.

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:16:20pm

re: #322 Carmello the Don

Ah so Blacks unlike other ethnic groups can't achieve success. That's a racist assumption right there.

Typical KKKracker attitude!

A NON-racist assumption would be to pretend that we have NO statistical information about race and poverty.

334 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:16:22pm

re: #318 Charles

Oh brother.

And you thought Sunday afternoons were quiet.
//

335 Charleston Chew  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:16:25pm

re: #324 palomino

That just proves you are a racist against everyone!

336 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:16:31pm

re: #29 pharmmajor

Pardon me for jumping back 300+ comments, but I see something that I think needs to be pointed out and emphasized. I have to agree that the proposed security measures as laid out in the NYT article pharmmajor linked to are a very, very bad idea, especially with regard to this bullet point:

¶ Communications services that encrypt messages must have a way to unscramble them.

What this means is putting a "backdoor" on encryption. Let me borrow a paragraph from an article on this page created by Thanos, which was written in response to the NYT piece:

Encryption works because there IS no backdoor. There are two keys, one to encode it and one to decode it, usually held by the sender and the recipient. Adding another point of entry invites one thing – a third party to access information that it normally has no business accessing. If you don’t think malicious hackers won’t have the backdoor cracked before anyone else then you need an education on how the computer world works.

I've discussed this with issue with several experienced network security consultants I know personally, and to a man they agree that it would have devastating implications for both privacy and online/network security (e.g. internet shopping, banking, identity theft, etc.) But, hey, don't take my word for it—here's another article on that same NYT piece written by well known and highly respected security expert & cryptographer, Bruce Schneier. It's long and is a little bit technical, but it's well worth taking the time to read & digest in its entirety.

Sometimes well-intentioned "security measures" can actually decrease security, so
please be fully aware of what what you're supporting, especially when government bureaucracies are involved.

337 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:16:37pm

It's Rodan, of course.

338 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:16:51pm

Excuse me, I mean Rick Martinez.

339 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:16:59pm

re: #332 Carmello the Don

A Few blocks of Harlem around 125th. Try taking your casper ass through the rest and see what's the deal. The gods don't be playing that game.

Funny, for someone who hates racism you sure do enjoy using mock language largely associated with the African American community.

340 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:17:06pm

re: #326 Carmello the Don

The Republicans are racist KKKrackers also. Both parties deny the truth of the original man.

"The original man?"

341 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:17:32pm

re: #330 webevintage

When you eat do they put a cork on the end of your fork so you don't stick it in your eye or jugular?

I suspect it's a spoonfeeder.

342 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:17:53pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

"The original man?"

Yes please explain this reference. Curious about that one.

343 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:18:07pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

"The original man?"

Herb Luis Hon Akembo Goldfarb.

Don't you know anything?

//

344 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:18:41pm

re: #312 webevintage

Well actually parts of Harlem have had a bit of a Renaissance...

Hell, Bill O' even went to dinner with Sharpton at a restaurant then and found out that brown folks act just like the rest of us.
None of that "hey, get me some motherfucking tea" like Bill O' thought they would.

Further proof that O'Reilly's target audience is old white folks who don't have much contact with minorities. I don't hate these people--they're my parents, inlaws, etc.

345 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:18:44pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

"The original man?"

I think he means Gallagher.

346 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:18:46pm

re: #342 Jadespring

Yes please explain this reference. Curious about that one.

Looks like we'll never know. Seemed like he was getting closer to some sort of race war type speal with his "take your cracker ass to Harlem" comment, so its probably best we dont know.

347 jaunte  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:19:07pm

re: #342 Jadespring

Nation of Islam rhetoric.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

348 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:19:17pm

re: #332 Carmello the Don

A Few blocks of Harlem around 125th. Try taking your casper ass through the rest and see what's the deal. The gods don't be playing that game.

Complete non-sequitur, but thank you for the advice about the care of my 'casper ass'.

349 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:19:18pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

What's up with all the stupidity in here today?

I don't know but I'm sure it must be Obama's fault.
///

350 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:19:42pm

re: #346 McSpiff

Looks like we'll never know. Seemed like he was getting closer to some sort of race war type speal with his "take your cracker ass to Harlem" comment, so its probably best we dont know.

Ah well. I suppose I can live without ever knowing. It will be hard though.

351 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:19:46pm

re: #345 Decatur Deb

I think he means Gallagher.

You killed my joke. See above.

//

352 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:19:58pm

re: #338 Charles

Excuse me, I mean Rick Martinez.

FUCK THE RECONQUISTA!!!!!!!! FERDINAND AND ISABELLA WERE RACISTS!!!!

Sorry. Had to get that out.

353 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:20:06pm

So long again, Rick, you pathetic loser.

354 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:20:43pm

re: #306 Carmello the Don

What does that have to do with the fact the Ghettos are represented by Democrats?

Hint: nothing!

Plenty of equally poor backwards crime-ridden areas are represented by Republicans. Think rural south, Appalachia, etc.

355 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:20:53pm

re: #347 jaunte

Nation of Islam rhetoric.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks :)

356 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:20:59pm

re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist

FUCK THE RECONQUISTA!!! FERDINAND AND ISABELLA WERE RACISTS!!!

Sorry. Had to get that out.

You are not a well person.

For which I am grateful.

357 McSpiff  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:21:47pm

re: #353 Charles

So long again, Rick, you pathetic loser.

Youtube Video
358 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:22:14pm

Good thing I set my laundry for an extra rinse.

I'd hate to leave here early.

359 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:22:56pm

What?!?!? It was a troll?!?!? I thought maybe it was a Limbaugh-esque humorist here to teach us an important lesson through the expert application of refined satirical comedy!

360 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:23:28pm

Damn! Looks like I missed some fun.

361 palomino  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:24:01pm

re: #313 Carmello the Don

The Republican probably would have them chased out. They are racist as well. I'm not giving them a pass either. Bush was really a racist slime-ball.

Bush was a racist? WTF? I don't even really like Bush, but he was no racist.

362 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:24:44pm

re: #357 McSpiff

[Video]

Listening. Great recording.

Before my time, but a classic is timeless.

363 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:25:32pm

Rick Martinez, get a life you pathetic worm.

364 webevintage  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:26:55pm

Alrighty then, I'm off to go bake a lemon pound cake....

BBL

365 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:27:38pm

re: #364 webevintage

Alrighty then, I'm off to go bake a lemon pound cake...

BBL

Bring back some cake for us!
:)

366 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:29:51pm

re: #110 Gus 802

ARRRRGGHHH!

It's frustrating to see men who should know better hop on the TP krayzee train...I respect Schmitt for his work in the Apollo program (a geologist who helped train the Apollo crews in lunar geology and sample collection methodologies and the only geologist to actually go up on a mission and work on the moon), but like Walt Cunningham, I think age has gotten to his brain.

367 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:30:11pm

Time for a dose of anti-stupid and a shameless plug. Please check out my new page, Get ready to see lots more exoplanet images soon.
It kind of buried in an avalanche of new postings there for a while.

368 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:30:47pm

re: #295 Charles

Maybe not so much of a newbie.

Some forums I frequent auto-publish IP addresses alongside usernames. LFG doesn't do this because why?

369 Basho  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:31:03pm

re: #331 McSpiff

Since Republicans largely represent poverty in rural America, does that mean the Republicans have a deliberate platform of keeping certain areas of rural America poor and under-educated? Are these same areas not also largely white in many instances?

WHY DO THE REPUBLICANS HATE WHITE PEOPLE?

I think that was the thesis behind What's The Matter With Kansas?.

370 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:31:48pm

re: #129 Gus 802

Yeah. I suppose it was expected of Schmidt given that he is anti-AGW and was once a Republican Senator (NM). Wouldn't have thought Carpenter would go that way. Then again both are from the old school astronaut corps. Both couldn't have picked a crazier candidate to endorse.

O RLY?

371 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:32:38pm

re: #338 Charles

Excuse me, I mean Rick Martinez.

They evicted the trolls from Think Progress this week, the poor little bugger needs a new place to troll. What you call a stalker, I call a serial troll.

It's ironic that the Tampa Twit has his panties in a wad because you deleted some old offensive posts, while he ignores the fact that he personally has deleted several entire blogs to hide old hate he spewed.

Let's not forget the 24/7 advocacy for genocide, nobody loves genocide against Muslims as much as crazy Ricky Martinez.

372 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:34:01pm

re: #371 Reginald Perrin

Is "Rodan" in the Tampa Area?

373 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:35:39pm

re: #368 negativ

arg. LGF.

374 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:44:05pm

Oh did Rodanne pay us a visit?

I hadn't noticed

375 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:44:46pm

re: #372 Decatur Deb

Is "Rodan" in the Tampa Area?

Last I heard...

376 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:50:05pm

re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist

SFZ--Nimber One Daughter has finished the SF marathon, is wet and huddled in a restaurant somewhere. We are relaying her SF calls from AL back to her ground support in SF, trying to home them in on her. Seems you had a bit of rain.

377 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:52:28pm

re: #376 Decatur Deb

SFZ--Nimber One Daughter has finished the SF marathon, is wet and huddled in a restaurant somewhere. We are relaying her SF calls from AL back to her ground support in SF, trying to home them in on her. Seems you had a bit of rain.

Impressive and way cool!

I can do a half marathon- you know, the restaurant part.

378 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:54:23pm

Where did everyone go?

379 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 1:56:00pm

re: #375 talon_262

Last I heard...

Good to keep track.

380 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:01:45pm

re: #368 negativ

Most IP addresses aren't static, and it doesn't really tell you anything if someone is hiding behind a proxy server. I mean, yeah, if you wanted to keep track of someone's IP and do a whois lookup every time they were actively posting, you could probably reasonably assume that someone was a sock/troll if their IP was from Germany one day and Brazil the next, but that's about it.

On the flipside, honest members who aren't trying to hide anything with nefarious intent would probably rather not have their IP addresses exposed to the stalkers. For example, if they're logging on from work via a corporate network, their IP address could give away which company they work for.

For people logging in from home or mobile devices it wouldn't be so much of an issue since ISPs connect users via different servers that may or may not be in the immediate vicinity of where the user is located, but some people may not want everyone knowing even that much.

381 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:05:57pm

Decatur Deb, you must be a fellow geek. ;o)

382 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:07:12pm

re: #381 CuriousLurker

Decatur Deb, you must be a fellow geek. ;o)

Nah, but I raised a bunch. Nice to have your own IT dept.

383 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:07:55pm

A Modern U.S. President

Youtube Video
384 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:11:06pm

re: #378 researchok

Where did everyone go?

I'm still here.

Well sorta. I'm supposed to be doing something else.

385 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:11:40pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

Excellent! That has to be a front pager.

386 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:12:56pm

re: #384 Jadespring

I'm still here.

Well sorta. I'm supposed to be doing something else.

I'm half here. Between laundry loads.

387 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:13:41pm

I'm supposed to work on a career and past life experience assessment for an application. It's a lot harder then I thought it would be. Hence I seem to be finding all these things to procrastinate with.

388 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:13:54pm

re: #384 Jadespring

I'm still here.

Well sorta. I'm supposed to be doing something else.

Same here, heh. *contemplates tearing self away and tending to icky chores...*

389 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:14:36pm

re: #380 CuriousLurker

You can discover the users MAC address from any incoming switch device and it doesn't matter where they are on the Net ..Every single device in the world has it's own individual MAC address.. This is the basis of 802.1x security.

390 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:15:07pm

re: #386 researchok

I'm half here. Between laundry loads.

*sigh* Okay, now I feel like a slacker.

391 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:15:46pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

A Modern U.S. President

[Video]

That was terrific!

392 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:17:08pm

re: #390 CuriousLurker

*sigh* Okay, now I feel like a slacker.

Let me ease your burden- I'm the slacker.

I had to do a laundry, as in I had to do a laundry.

My evasive options expired.

393 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:18:38pm

re: #392 researchok

Let me ease your burden- I'm the slacker.

I had to do a laundry, as in I had to do a laundry.

My evasive options expired.

LOL, thanks! I feel better now.

394 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:19:07pm

re: #389 HoosierHoops

You can discover the users MAC address from any incoming switch device and it doesn't matter where they are on the Net ..Every single device in the world has it's own individual MAC address.. This is the basis of 802.1x security.

Actually, MAC addresses are useful for wireless security, that's true. But they're quite easy to change or spoof, and no more reliable than IP addresses for identifying individuals over the web.

395 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:19:44pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

Freakn' brilliant.

396 TedStriker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:20:48pm

re: #389 HoosierHoops

You can discover the users MAC address from any incoming switch device and it doesn't matter where they are on the Net ..Every single device in the world has it's own individual MAC address.. This is the basis of 802.1x security.

MAC addresses can be spoofed, however...

397 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:21:54pm

re: #393 CuriousLurker

LOL, thanks! I feel better now.

Actually, I can impress you. I bought a meat grinder (grandma attach at the edge of the table type) and I'm experimenting with the best mix of beef for burgers.

My butcher (and I) are most happy with my new obsession.

398 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:22:40pm

re: #394 Charles

Actually, MAC addresses are useful for wireless security, that's true. But they're quite easy to change or spoof, and no more reliable than IP addresses for identifying individuals over the web.

Damn you are an IT stud.. That's why we require CA certs to authenticate to the port..
Regards

399 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:26:37pm

re: #397 researchok

Actually, I can impress you. I bought a meat grinder (grandma attach at the edge of the table type) and I'm experimenting with the best mix of beef for burgers.

My butcher (and I) are most happy with my new obsession.

Cool! My dad used to use one of those. I have the grinder attachment for my KitchenAid stnad mixer, but I don't use it very often.

I'd be interested in knowing what mix you finally settle on.

BTW, didn't you say you have a Syrian friend? Syrians make some awesome sausage with spices & pine nuts, so if you could get a good recipe I'd feel seriously indebted to you... ;)

400 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:27:36pm

Glenn Reynolds may be correct that a sense that the powers that be cannot be trusted to protect the nation is dangerous and destabilizing. So why try and alarm people into such a frame of mind, when objectively, there is no ground for that fear?

I'm a big critic of Obama's health care plan, and I think his tax hikes will hurt the economy. But honestly, is there any ground for RW complaint about his conduct of homeland defense and the war? He's wound down the war in Iraq without handing the place over to chaos or to al Qaeda. He's not bragging but our Predators are killing dozens of terrorists in the general vicinity of the Afghan-Pakistan border region almost daily. (Let's not get too specific, and let's not go all squeamish. These guys are our mortal enemies, and they're out to kill civilians in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India as well. If others who have every right to live are to live, they must die.)

He's replaced Gen. McChrystal, but Petraeus is if anything a better man for the job.

At home, we've not been hit seriously on his watch. This is a record that is all but impossible to maintain indefinitely but for now, his record is 100%. If it should slip, well, nobody can catch all the breaks. He'd still have to get credit for doing a difficult job pretty well.

So what is Reynolds' point, other than that he himself should drop the hysterics already?

401 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:28:32pm

So potatoes or rice for dinner? That is the question.

402 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:29:15pm

re: #401 Jadespring

So potatoes or rice for dinner? That is the question.

Potatoes!

403 researchok  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:33:22pm

re: #399 CuriousLurker

Cool! My dad used to use one of those. I have the grinder attachment for my KitchenAid stnad mixer, but I don't use it very often.

I'd be interested in knowing what mix you finally settle on.

BTW, didn't you say you have a Syrian friend? Syrians make some awesome sausage with spices & pine nuts, so if you could get a good recipe I'd feel seriously indebted to you... ;)

So far, a mixture of brisket and chuck or brisket and sirloin or top sirloin and shoulder,

Seems to me if you add in short ribs, the mixtures really improve.

Also, I ran across these formulas, as yet untried )ask me again by the weekend):

1) Hanger steak, short rib, and brisket.

2) Two parts chuck, two parts boneless short rib, and one part brisket.

As for my Syrian friends, lamb is their real forte. Unbelievable recipes- and friends wife won't give them up. Her excuse? 'You won't come visit any more'.

She knows better but she loves the drama- I ask every time I'm there!

404 Jadespring  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:36:23pm

re: #402 CuriousLurker

Potatoes!

Potatoes it is then.

405 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:36:42pm

re: #403 researchok

So far, a mixture of brisket and chuck or brisket and sirloin or top sirloin and shoulder,

Seems to me if you add in short ribs, the mixtures really improve.

Also, I ran across these formulas, as yet untried )ask me again by the weekend):

1) Hanger steak, short rib, and brisket.

2) Two parts chuck, two parts boneless short rib, and one part brisket.

Interesting... thanks. Oh man, thinking of brisket & ribs makes me sooo homesick for Texas BBQ.

As for my Syrian friends, lamb is their real forte. Unbelievable recipes- and friends wife won't give them up. Her excuse? 'You won't come visit any more'.

She knows better but she loves the drama- I ask every time I'm there!

Drat!

406 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:40:56pm

Gah, the sun is going down already. I guess I'd better go take out the trash and start doing laundry & cooking before it gets any later.

BBL

407 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 2:51:16pm

re: #359 bratwurst

What?!?!? It was a troll?!?!? I thought maybe it was a Limbaugh-esque humorist here to teach us an important lesson through the expert application of refined satirical comedy!

Nope. It was a giant flying troll, flying by to spew its radioactive bile.

408 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 3:00:51pm

re: #331 McSpiff

Since Republicans largely represent poverty in rural America, does that mean the Republicans have a deliberate platform of keeping certain areas of rural America poor and under-educated? Are these same areas not also largely white in many instances?

WHY DO THE REPUBLICANS HATE WHITE PEOPLE?

Rural white America isn't all that badly educated. The schools are in fact not that well funded, but still.

Let's see how white students perform at 8th grade math in various states, and compare it to the national average.

NAEP
State: white score
National avg 292
POOR:
ALABAMA: 280
ARKANSAS: 284
S DAKOTA: 295

RICH:
CONNECTICUT: 298
MASSACHUSSETTS: 305

NOT RICH, NOT POOR
NEITHER URBAN
NOR RURAL:

TEXAS: 301

The worst shortfall from the national average that I could find was Alabama.
There is a gap, true. But it's not that extreme, considering the differential in money and the differential in parental education and income, both proxies for the heritable part of educational prospects.

409 Michael McBacon  Sun, Oct 17, 2010 5:13:26pm

I must say, it's quite entertaining when someone's dsmvwld.


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