The Ultimate Blog Security Fail?

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More than a million people’s passwords might be at risk tonight, after the Gawker network was cracked wide open: Gawker hacked: Passwords of commenters compromised in ultimate security fail.

If “Trust is the New Black,” as Craig Newmark tweeted earlier this week, then Gawker just screwed the pooch. This kind of major failure of user information will not go without repercussions, especially from a site that has needled other businesses for lesser infractions with user data.

So, a reminder, if you have ever registered to comment on one of the following sites, your password is currently compromised:

Gawker.com - New York City media and gossip
Gizmodo - Gadgets and technology
Kotaku - Video games
Jalopnik - Cars and automotive culture
Lifehacker - Productivity tips
Deadspin - Sports
Jezebel - Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for women
io9 - Science fiction
Fleshbot - Porn
Gawker.tv
Cityfile
Valleywag - San Francisco and Silicon Valley gossip

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462 comments
1 Mark Winter  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:02:54pm

Amazon experienced a DDos attack. Was off for about 30 minutes

2 jamesfirecat  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:03:37pm

Well I'm happy to say I've never even heard of these sites let along registered with them...

3 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:04:28pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

Well I'm happy to say I've never even heard of these sites let along registered with them...

Same

4 Mark Winter  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:06:03pm

Same. But another damn good reason to remember that you REALLY should us different passwords for different websites.

5 recusancy  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:06:11pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

Well I'm happy to say I've never even heard of these sites let along registered with them...

Don't act like you aren't a Fleshbot regular ;)

6 Mark Winter  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:06:27pm

use...

7 jaunte  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:07:23pm

Now we'll find out that Hamid Karzai posts as "Massive Tunban" on Fleshbot.

8 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:08:07pm

Another reason to have personal, work and spam email accounts.

9 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:08:33pm
After taunting 4chan and Anonymous, Gawker has finally received it's comeuppance: A massive security fail putting millions of users at risk.

It's well past time to start cracking down.

10 jamesfirecat  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:09:02pm

re: #4 Mark Winter

Same. But another damn good reason to remember that you REALLY should us different passwords for different websites.

Yeah, I'm not as good as I could be I've only got about 3 different passwords, but the one I use for paypal, I SURE AS HELL only use for paypal....

11 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:09:59pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

It's well past time to start cracking down.

The wild West days of the internet are near their end.

12 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:10:25pm

Thanks Charles!

13 Mark Winter  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:15:08pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Yeah, I'm not as good as I could be I've only got about 3 different passwords, but the one I use for paypal, I SURE AS HELL only use for paypal...

Smartphones can cause a lot of trouble. It can be a nightmare to lose one and have a thief collecting your personal info.

14 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:18:48pm

Update: This is not actually related to 4chan or operation payback:

From an email sent toThe Next Web:

It has come to our attention that you are reporting about gawker.com being hacked by Anonymous and Operation payback in the war against the wikileaks drama that is currently taking place. While we feel for Wikileaks plight, and encourage everyone to donate and mirror the site, we are not related to Operation Payback or engaged in their activities. We have compromised all their email accounts and databases, and a significant portion of the passwords have been unhashed into plaintext.

To prove the validity of our claims, here is a sample of the database: [redacted]

15 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:18:51pm

How is this Gawker's fail for getting hacked? Kinda like blaming the victim, isn't it?

16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:21:13pm

re: #14 BishopX

Update: This is not actually related to 4chan or operation payback:

From an email sent toThe Next Web:

It's probably because Anonymous generated a lot of bad publicity for themselves and Assange last week, They are still attacking Wkileaks critics but it's bad pr to say it publicly.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:21:37pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

I guess "Bitch had it coming" is the new pink.

18 Mark Winter  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:23:05pm

It's still criminal as hell

19 jaunte  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:23:38pm

re: #14 BishopX

The hackers don't mention their motivation.

20 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:24:10pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Or it could be that there are a number of disparate groups "defending" WL. Because anonymous is entirely self-identified, if they say they are not affiliated, I tend to believe them.

Anonymous has not so far demonstrated the level of technical competence required to pull this off.

21 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:25:01pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

Well I'm happy to say I've never even heard of these sites let along registered with them...

Quite Concur.

22 The Survilist  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:25:37pm

Gawker.com - New York City media and gossip
Gizmodo - Gadgets and technology
Kotaku - Video games
Jalopnik - Cars and automotive culture
Lifehacker - Productivity tips
Deadspin - Sports
Jezebel - Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for women
io9 - Science fiction
Fleshbot - Porn
Gawker.tv
Cityfile
Valleywag - San Francisco and Silicon Valley gossip

Don't know these sites. Doe's their registration require more than LGF? If not, then there is little to fear. Just change your PW and go on with life. Shit happens.

BTW, Good Evening Lizards.

24 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:27:43pm

re: #19 jaunte

No they haven't.

25 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:28:14pm

re: #22 Bubblehead II

Gawker.com - New York City media and gossip
Gizmodo - Gadgets and technology
Kotaku - Video games
Jalopnik - Cars and automotive culture
Lifehacker - Productivity tips
Deadspin - Sports
Jezebel - Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for women
io9 - Science fiction
Fleshbot - Porn
Gawker.tv
Cityfile
Valleywag - San Francisco and Silicon Valley gossip

Don't know these sites. Doe's their registration require more than LGF? If not, then there is little to fear. Just change your PW and go on with life. Shit happens.

BTW, Good Evening Lizards.

but if someone could use that info to get your real name then things could get embarrassing, especially with Fleshbot. ;)

26 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:30:57pm

re: #22 Bubblehead II

The fear is that some people have used the same PW for their email as they have for the Gawker sites, which is a stupid thing to do. This would allow the attacker, or anyone with access to the plain text database, to couple emails with Gawker passwords in an attempt to compromise email accounts, which can be a big deal.

There are 1.5 million compromised accounts, some of them are going to be shown to have been stupid.

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:32:04pm

I'm really not a fan of the Gawker site, especially after running with that "one night stand" crap from an anonymous source, but I still do not condone the criminal activity leveled against them.

28 jaunte  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:35:37pm

re: #26 BishopX

Compromising email accounts would take some time, but the security breach means business damage has already been done to Nick Denton. It could be a competitor, or just someone he angered.

29 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:36:12pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

How is this Gawker's fail for getting hacked? Kinda like blaming the victim, isn't it?

Their registered commenters are the victims, if there is any significant information asked by Gawker's registration process. If there's little, then this is just more dumb vandalism. (If you require the submission of sensitive info, you have at least a professional obligation to have decent safeguards.)

30 ozbloke  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:36:56pm

Seems Gawker is grateful to the hackers.

We're deeply embarrassed by this breach. We should not be in the position of relying on the goodwill of the hackers who identified the weakness in our systems.

More at link.

31 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:37:13pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

How is this Gawker's fail for getting hacked? Kinda like blaming the victim, isn't it?

Well, it's not their fault they were attacked -- but it IS their fault if their database was so easily compromised. It's a major failure of their security.

33 The Yankee  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:37:54pm

Its kind funny since Gizmodo.com constantly tell people about security problems at other sites. And how easy they are to fix.

34 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:37:57pm

Unlikely that this is the work of those Anonymous script kiddies.
Too high level for them.

35 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:39:23pm

re: #32 recusancy

Gnosis, the team behind the attacks, pause to show just how many users use “password” in their login details, over 2700 records share the same password at a rough count.

WTH.
Why are they posting a link to the torrent of the stolen data???
9_9

36 ozbloke  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:40:58pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

WTH.
Why are they posting a link to the torrent of the stolen data???
9_9

I could tell you, but you haven't given me my results from the last exam yet.
half /

37 jamesfirecat  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:42:56pm

re: #32 recusancy

Gnosis, the team behind the attacks, pause to show just how many users use “password” in their login details, over 2700 records share the same password at a rough count.

///If your password is "Password" "Dorwssap", "Admin" or Nimda my thoughts are, you deserve to let me use your wireless internet.

38 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:43:26pm

re: #37 jamesfirecat

///If your password is "Password" "Dorwssap", "Admin" or Nimda my thoughts are, you deserve to let me use your wireless internet.

"Test".

39 ozbloke  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:43:45pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

"Test".

Test123

40 ozbloke  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:44:05pm

re: #39 ozbloke

Test123

Its gotta be more secure this way !!!

41 recusancy  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:44:06pm

re: #37 jamesfirecat

///If your password is "Password" "Dorwssap", "Admin" or Nimda my thoughts are, you deserve to let me use your wireless internet.

Most people don't even protect their wireless. You can drive around most neighborhoods and take your pick.

42 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:45:09pm

re: #41 recusancy

Most people don't even protect their wireless. You can drive around most neighborhoods and take your pick.

I pick up half a dozen unsecured wireless networks.
Sigh...

43 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:49:03pm

re: #42 Varek Raith

I pick up half a dozen unsecured wireless networks.
Sigh...

OMG!! Varek is a Internet Pirate!

44 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:50:22pm

re: #37 jamesfirecat

///If your password is "Password" "Dorwssap", "Admin" or Nimda my thoughts are, you deserve to let me use your wireless internet.

Heh. I once encountered a client whose hosting company was running their MySQL server as "root" with no password and had all the hosted sites set up to use the same. You could go in and browse through any of the dozens of databases belonging to other sites hosted on the server. O_o

45 The Survilist  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:51:40pm

Sorry. Lizards some problems at home......

Must leave.

May the diety of your choice, lookadfteryou

46 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:52:17pm

re: #41 recusancy

Most people don't even protect their wireless. You can drive around most neighborhoods and take your pick.

Seriously?
Wow.
I don't want anybody using my wireless connection, but me and my family.

47 The Yankee  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:52:28pm

re: #37 jamesfirecat

///If your password is "Password" "Dorwssap", "Admin" or Nimda my thoughts are, you deserve to let me use your wireless internet.


I actually use the word password or 123 depending on what it is like for blogs. But for my money I use more complex passwords.

48 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:52:49pm

re: #45 Bubblehead II

Sorry. Lizards some problems at home...

Must leave.

May the diety of your choice, lookadfteryou

Good luck, BHII. Hope things are resolved positively.

49 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:52:54pm

And, hello, CL, good to see you, we've been passing each other, it seems!

50 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:53:23pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Seriously?
Wow.
I don't want anybody using my wireless connection, but me and my family.

Make sure you protect it and don't use WEP, use WPA at a minimum.

51 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:53:35pm

re: #49 reine.de.tout

And, hello, CL, good to see you, we've been passing each other, it seems!

Hello to you too! ;o)

52 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:54:23pm

re: #50 b_sharp

Make sure you protect it and don't use WEP, use WPA at a minimum.

Yes, that's what we use, wpa, and it requires a password to access.
Am I good?

53 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:55:22pm

re: #47 The Yankee

I actually use the word password or 123 depending on what it is like for blogs. But for my money I use more complex passwords.

If you have trouble remembering passwords, use something like Passwordsafe and randomly generate passwords. Back up the database though, or you're screwed should something happen to your system.

54 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:55:55pm

re: #52 reine.de.tout

Yes, that's what we use, wpa, and it requires a password to access.
Am I good?

WPA2, it says.

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:56:08pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Seriously. Secure that thing. Pedos have been known to cruise around looking for unsecured wireless networks to use for downloading kiddie pr0n.

I used MAC address filters and a few other things on my last wireless router.

56 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:56:24pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Seriously?
Wow.
I don't want anybody using my wireless connection, but me and my family.

It's true. Ditto what b_sharp said about using WPA encryption. I my wireless router is set up not to broadcast it's identity, so unless you knew the name I gave it in order to find it, you wouldn't even be aware it existed.

57 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:56:41pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

How is this Gawker's fail for getting hacked? Kinda like blaming the victim, isn't it?

So very true. The worst thing about the internet is the casual attitude of licentiousness. As follows-Because it's the internet because it's "virtual" the following bad behaviors became acceptable even encouraged-Stealing music, stealing movies, stealing articles, digital breaking and entering aka hacking, text bullying, sexting (minors), email affairs, and oh BTW stalking.

Less anonymity would be a big plus.

58 jaunte  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:57:32pm

"Today, we are all Christine O'Donnell"
[Link: twitter.com...]

59 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:57:41pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously. Secure that thing. Pedos have been known to cruise around looking for unsecured wireless networks to use for downloading kiddie pr0n.

I used MAC address filters and a few other things on my last wireless router.

re: #56 CuriousLurker

It's true. Ditto what b_sharp said about using WPA encryption. I my wireless router is set up not to broadcast it's identity, so unless you knew the name I gave it in order to find it, you wouldn't even be aware it existed.

How do I do either or both of those things?

When I look at connections, I see all sorts of locked names, I guess some of these are the neighbors' wireless access. And then the name I gave ours

60 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:57:42pm

re: #50 b_sharp

b_harp, is that your blog that your nic is linked to? Just wondering in case I ever want to reach out to you.

61 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:57:47pm

re: #52 reine.de.tout

Yes, that's what we use, wpa, and it requires a password to access.
Am I good?

For a home network, probably. If you really want to be safe use WPA2 and assign an IP to a specific MAC and block all others. I don't think you need to go that far, though, as long as your pass phrase isn't too simple.

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:58:02pm

1 -2 - 3 - 4 - 5?
That's amazing. I've got the same combination on my luggage.
-President Scroob

63 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:58:20pm

re: #54 reine.de.tout

WPA2, it says.

Better.
I'd say you're good to go.

64 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:58:59pm

re: #61 b_sharp

For a home network, probably. If you really want to be safe use WPA2 and assign an IP to a specific MAC and block all others. I don't think you need to go that far, though, as long as your pass phrase isn't too simple.

It's WPA2, and passcode has uppercase, lowercase, and randomly chosen number

65 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:59:48pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously. Secure that thing. Pedos have been known to cruise around looking for unsecured wireless networks to use for downloading kiddie pr0n.

I used MAC address filters and a few other things on my last wireless router.

On some of my customer's system I do the same. It shouldn't be necessary for a home system, and most people have no idea how to do that.

66 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 7:59:51pm

re: #64 reine.de.tout

It's WPA2, and passcode has uppercase, lowercase, and randomly chosen number

But can it make pizza???
/
You're good to go on your setup.

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:00:03pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

It's called "NeighborNet".

68 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:00:05pm

re: #65 b_sharp

On some of my customer's system I do the same. It shouldn't be necessary for a home system, and most people have no idea how to do that.

heheh.
Right.
Like me.

69 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:00:30pm

re: #56 CuriousLurker

It's true. Ditto what b_sharp said about using WPA encryption. I my wireless router is set up not to broadcast it's identity, so unless you knew the name I gave it in order to find it, you wouldn't even be aware it existed.

Another good idea, don't broadcast the SSID.

70 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:01:58pm

The Army spent a lot of time and effort to make my paranoid about electronic security. So, for all practical purposes, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SECURE INTERNET (screamcaps off). If you don't believe me, ask Private Manning.

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72 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:02:40pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

b_harp, is that your blog that your nic is linked to? Just wondering in case I ever want to reach out to you.

Yes it is. You can actually hit my home server with the b_sharp at beadtothebone dot ca.

73 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:02:42pm

re: #59 reine.de.tout

re: #56 CuriousLurker

How do I do either or both of those things?

When I look at connections, I see all sorts of locked names, I guess some of these are the neighbors' wireless access. And then the name I gave ours

The choice whether or not to broadcast your router's identity would be set up in the router's control panel, usually accessible via a browser by its IP address. You probably don't need to take things that far though, unless you really want to.

Keep in mind that I work with network security people—they're like the most paranoid people on the planet when it comes to stuff like that, and they're the ones who initially set up my wireless access. ;o)

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:03:09pm

re: #59 reine.de.tout

How do I do either or both of those things?

Depends on the hardware/software, I guess. My old wireless router had a pretty easy to use GUI. So simple a cave man could use it.

75 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:03:44pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's called "NeighborNet".

Not my neighbors.
Some guy bought up several properties and is renting rooms in them, which is illegal, he's not set up to run a rooming house business, but that's another matter and it's being worked on through our city council rep.

At any rate - he rents rooms to all sorts of grown men who do not appear to have a driver's license, and who can't afford an entire apartment, they can only afford to rent a room. I don't know where he finds these people, I think he advertises in various half-way houses around town. One renter was a convicted sex offender, we got the notice in our mailbox that he had moved in. I don't think the property owner does ANY sort of background check on his renters, he just rents the rooms out. So, no "neighborhood net" here.

76 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:04:15pm

re: #58 jaunte

"Today, we are all Christine O'Donnell"
[Link: twitter.com...]

Ah, the majestic call of the Internet Loon.

77 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:04:23pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

The Army spent a lot of time and effort to make my paranoid about electronic security. So, for all practical purposes, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SECURE INTERNET (screamcaps off). If you don't believe me, ask Private Manning.

Speaking of the Army. Imagine being a soldier and having to wonder if your fellow soldier thinks it's cool to be a "whistle blower" releasing classified documents possibly related to your current combat situation? I hope that SOB gets 50 years.

78 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:05:14pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Depends on the hardware/software, I guess. My old wireless router had a pretty easy to use GUI. So simple a cave man could use it.

Now, SB, you know I'm a heathen redneck suthrener!

I think we should be OK, per what B-sharp said.

79 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:05:18pm

re: #72 b_sharp

Got it. Thanks.

80 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:05:27pm

re: #64 reine.de.tout

It's WPA2, and passcode has uppercase, lowercase, and randomly chosen number

Very good. If you want to set up MAC filters and kill the SSID broadcast, and you trust me, you can email me and we can set up a time for me to enter your router and set it up. You can even watch me do it so you can do it yourself later.

No charge.

81 deranged cat  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:05:56pm

although i read lifehacker, gizmodo and gawker, im happy that i never registered to comment! whew!

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:06:17pm

re: #65 b_sharp

On some of my customer's system I do the same. It shouldn't be necessary for a home system, and most people have no idea how to do that.

I tend to go overkill on security stuff, I can be kind of paranoid. Hell, the last time I googled my full meat world name, the only links that popped up were to some engineer with a published book.

83 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:07:03pm

re: #80 b_sharp

Very good. If you want to set up MAC filters and kill the SSID broadcast, and you trust me, you can email me and we can set up a time for me to enter your router and set it up. You can even watch me do it so you can do it yourself later.

No charge.

:-)
You are so sweet!

My question would be this - hubby uses a laptop he takes to work, and then comes home to use and he has to find our home network each time. If the router isn't broadcast, can he find it?

84 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:08:14pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Speaking of the Army. Imagine being a soldier and having to wonder if your fellow soldier thinks it's cool to be a "whistle blower" releasing classified documents possibly related to your current combat situation? I hope that SOB gets 50 years.

Good point. And I don't think Bradley Manning will be popular on the inside, either. Those seen as betrayers of their nation seldom fare well anywhere.

85 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:08:36pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Speaking of the Army. Imagine being a soldier and having to wonder if your fellow soldier thinks it's cool to be a "whistle blower" releasing classified documents possibly related to your current combat situation? I hope that SOB gets 50 years.

A contractor who stole 2 documents was eligible for 10 years in prison, got 7. Got to figure they can hit Manning with quite a bit more than that.

86 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:08:57pm

re: #78 reine.de.tout

Now, SB, you know I'm a heathen redneck suthrener!

I think we should be OK, per what B-sharp said.

If you ever want to start hiding you SSID, just give me a holler and I can walk you through it over the phone or whatever.

87 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:09:10pm

re: #83 reine.de.tout

Yes.

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:09:46pm

re: #78 reine.de.tout

Now, SB, you know I'm a heathen redneck suthrener!

Heh, 'sall good. I'm a heathen redneck Californicator.

89 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:09:51pm

re: #83 reine.de.tout

:-)
You are so sweet!

My question would be this - hubby uses a laptop he takes to work, and then comes home to use and he has to find our home network each time. If the router isn't broadcast, can he find it?

Yup.

Most modern OSes allow auto-connect on known networks, so he would have no trouble. If for some reason (like using microsoft) it doesn't auto-connect, all that is necessary is to know the SSID and connect manually.

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:10:05pm

re: #83 reine.de.tout

Mine is secure. But I've forgotten all the set up stuff. Can't get my new laptop on the wireless.

91 recusancy  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:10:07pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

If you ever want to start hiding you SSID, just give me a holler and I can walk you through it over the phone or whatever.

[Link: www.ehow.com...]

92 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:10:20pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A contractor who stole 2 documents was eligible for 10 years in prison, got 7. Got to figure they can hit Manning with quite a bit more than that.

Let's do some math! OK, 5 x 250,000 documents = 1,250,000 years!

//

93 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:10:41pm

re: #83 reine.de.tout

As long as he knows the SSID—i.e. the name you gave it—he'll be able to find it.

94 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:11:12pm

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mine is secure. But I've forgotten all the set up stuff. Can't get my new laptop on the wireless.

Well, at least you're safe from you.

95 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:11:40pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

Good point. And I don't think Bradley Manning will be popular on the inside, either. Those seen as betrayers of their nation seldom fare well anywhere.

I know some Navy and Marine folks who say depending on what was released, and if they wish to push the issue as being committed as during a time of war, that Manning could possibly face a death penalty.

96 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:11:57pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

If you ever want to start hiding you SSID, just give me a holler and I can walk you through it over the phone or whatever.

Depends on which brand and model router she's using. I have some Netgear plenum rated commercial units I wouldn't be able to talk anyone through.

97 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:12:21pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Let's do some math! OK, 5 x 250,000 documents = 1,250,000 years!

//


Well, they'll probably just settle for giving him eleventy years instead. :D

98 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:12:33pm

Note, I said could, I don't think it likely.

99 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:12:41pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Let's do some math! OK, 5 x 250,000 documents = 1,250,000 years!

//

Meh.
Release me from jail when we've all evolved into energy-based lifeforms.
:P

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:12:55pm

Holy Crap!!

101 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:13:00pm

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mine is secure. But I've forgotten all the set up stuff. Can't get my new laptop on the wireless.

Reset and re-do my friend. Easy if you backed up the config.

102 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:13:10pm

re: #96 b_sharp

Depends on which brand and model router she's using. I have some Netgear plenum rated commercial units I wouldn't be able to talk anyone through.

I'd never attempt it on a "real" router.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:13:34pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Let's just make it Life and call it a day.

104 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:14:18pm

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mine is secure. But I've forgotten all the set up stuff. Can't get my new laptop on the wireless.

yeah, you see, that's what I'm afraid of.

re: #96 b_sharp

Depends on which brand and model router she's using. I have some Netgear plenum rated commercial units I wouldn't be able to talk anyone through.

Went to your website, I see where I can leave a comment but can't find e-mail addy? Help?

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:14:19pm

re: #47 The Yankee

I actually use the word password or 123 depending on what it is like for blogs. But for my money I use more complex passwords.

For example?

106 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:16:05pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For example?

F@+B@$+rD15Ap00p13H3aD

107 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:16:42pm

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Holy Crap!!

Damn, what a loser. Fire him!

108 recusancy  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:17:05pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

If you ever want to start hiding you SSID, just give me a holler and I can walk you through it over the phone or whatever.

It really doesn't help that much if at all anymore. There are numerous programs that will still find it and hiding it has been said to actually degrade network performance.

109 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:17:13pm

re: #104 reine.de.tout

yeah, you see, that's what I'm afraid of.

re: #96 b_sharp

Went to your website, I see where I can leave a comment but can't find e-mail addy? Help?

Ignore my blog, - I do.

b_sharp at beadtothebone dot ca.

I think you have my meat name addy as well. I gave it to you when the cookbook was just about to be released.

110 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:17:14pm

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

F@+B@$+rD15Ap00p13H3aD

All his passwords are evolutions of "pie".

111 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:17:18pm

re: #91 recusancy

[Link: www.ehow.com...]

That's a good resource assuming she has the typical settings. I have a wired router between my wireless one and my modem, so mine is different. Sometimes I forget it's not a typical setup.

112 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:18:24pm

re: #57 Rightwingconspirator

Anonymity has nothing to do with sexting or online bullying. It makes stalking a tad easier, but it's not exactly rare offline. Copyright infringement was not invented on the internet, people have been passing around mix tapes, plagarising articles and watching bootleg videos for considerably longer than there has been HTML.

The internet is a communications medium, it allows people to do things they were doing before, just faster and cheaper. Yes, some of those things aren't nice things, but creating a panopticon to force people to conform to societal norms really isn't the answer.

113 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:18:57pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

I'd never attempt it on a "real" router.

I took a few Cisco Systems classes. Some of those commercial routers have such intense filtering/security capabilities I would not be surprised to learn that there is a model that can filter users by eye color.

114 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:19:39pm

re: #104 reine.de.tout

yeah, you see, that's what I'm afraid of.

re: #96 b_sharp

Went to your website, I see where I can leave a comment but can't find e-mail addy? Help?

OR you can try support at rebootcomputers dot ca.

115 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:19:41pm

A little further research, the guy who lucked out with 7 years of prison got that as part of a plea deal. The analyst he turned evidence against was convicted of leaking classified information,as well as possession, and was looking at 20 years for just the 2 documents.

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:20:04pm

re: #112 BishopX

Panopticon

Seriously?

117 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:20:47pm

Type, delete. Type, delete. Type, Delete.
*sigh*
I'm bound to hit the post button eventually.

118 recusancy  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:20:54pm

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously?

The metaphor works.

119 ozbloke  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:21:12pm

re: #115 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A little further research, the guy who lucked out with 7 years of prison got that as part of a plea deal. The analyst he turned evidence against was convicted of leaking classified information,as well as possession, and was looking at 20 years for just the 2 documents.

Was one of them Obama's BC?

120 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:21:51pm

Magic Carpet Ride

Youtube Video

War machine baby!

121 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:21:56pm

re: #108 recusancy

It really doesn't help that much if at all anymore. There are numerous programs that will still find it and hiding it has been said to actually degrade network performance.

Why would it degrade performance?

Nothing will stop a concerted effort by a pro, but every step taken makes it less likely all casual attempts will fail.

122 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:23:12pm

re: #111 CuriousLurker

That's a good resource assuming she has the typical settings. I have a wired router between my wireless one and my modem, so mine is different. Sometimes I forget it's not a typical setup.

Mine is the same.

123 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:23:25pm

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes. Permanent logs + no anonymity= panopticon.

124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:23:33pm

re: #119 ozbloke

Was one of them Obama's BC?

Obama's not that old!

125 recusancy  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:23:34pm

re: #121 b_sharp

Why would it degrade performance?

Nothing will stop a concerted effort by a pro, but every step taken makes it less likely all casual attempts will fail.

[Link: tech.blorge.com...]

126 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:23:45pm

re: #108 recusancy

It really doesn't help that much if at all anymore. There are numerous programs that will still find it and hiding it has been said to actually degrade network performance.

I haven't experienced any noticeable network performance hit. Even if I had, I'd gladly tolerate minor degradation in favor of increased obfuscation, even if it only prevented casual snoopers from seeing me.

127 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:23:52pm

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

I took a few Cisco Systems classes. Some of those commercial routers have such intense filtering/security capabilities I would not be surprised to learn that there is a model that can filter users by eye color.

They're up to smell now.

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:24:13pm

re: #123 BishopX

Yes. Permanent logs + no anonymity= panopticon.

Oh, I had to go look it up to know what the heck you were talking about.

I am generally monosyllabic.

129 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:25:02pm

re: #119 ozbloke

Was one of them Obama's BC?

Intelligence reports about the President of the Phillipines and opposition leaders.

130 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:25:40pm

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had to look it up after your comment to make sure I used the right word :/

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:26:51pm

re: #130 BishopX

On Wiki it is a type of prison. The prisoners are never sure when/if they are being watched. Sometimes they are not.

132 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:27:45pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Type, delete. Type, delete. Type, Delete.
*sigh*
I'm bound to hit the post button eventually.

Youtube Video
133 ozbloke  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:28:03pm

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Intelligence reports about the President of the Phillipines and opposition leaders.

That was going to be my second guess.

134 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:28:26pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Type, delete. Type, delete. Type, Delete.
*sigh*
I'm bound to hit the post button eventually.

Just Do It.

135 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:28:41pm

re: #133 ozbloke

That was going to be my second guess.

Good call.

136 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:28:41pm

re: #125 recusancy

[Link: tech.blorge.com...]

Thanks.

Microsoft, of course.

I haven't noticed any reduction in network speed on those I've hidden the SSID, but I haven't done any object testing.

And Netstumbler doesn't find all networks every time. I use it occasionally to see whats affecting some of my networks.

137 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:30:19pm

re: #134 reine.de.tout

Just Do It.

Youtube Video
138 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:31:38pm

re: #109 b_sharp

Ignore my blog, - I do.

b_sharp at beadtothebone dot ca.

I think you have my meat name addy as well. I gave it to you when the cookbook was just about to be released.

Ah, yes, I probably do

139 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:33:32pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

[Video]

Youtube Video
140 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:33:49pm

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

I took a few Cisco Systems classes. Some of those commercial routers have such intense filtering/security capabilities I would not be surprised to learn that there is a model that can filter users by eye color.

LOL, I heard that.

Gawd, how I hate Cisco. I have sales specialist certs for express foundation, advanced security, and advanced wireless, so every 2 years I have to retake a bunch of exams. Cisco's corporate-speak drive me NUTS, as does trying to memorize all the different hardware model numbers, service plans, and sundry acronyms that always seem maddeningly similar.

I can't imagine what it's like to actually have to test for engineer certs. Gah!

141 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:33:50pm

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Video]

Youtube Video
142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:34:07pm

The only Panopticon I concern myself with...

143 BishopX  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:35:58pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes, the theory being that knowing someone could be watching at any moment would be enough to force people to alter their behavior. Social pressure is the most efficient way of regulating peoples behavior. It's a little different with the internet, instead of never knowing whether you are being observed at that moment, it's the fact that anything you have every said or done can be recalled at a moments notice.

144 researchok  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:36:30pm

re: #141 Gus 802

[Video]

OT, you were right.

BB ain't coming around.

145 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:36:36pm

Merle Haggard - Fightin' Side of Me

Youtube Video

Been a while since I posted this.

146 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:36:58pm

re: #140 CuriousLurker

LOL, I heard that.

Gawd, how I hate Cisco. I have sales specialist certs for express foundation, advanced security, and advanced wireless, so every 2 years I have to retake a bunch of exams. Cisco's corporate-speak drive me NUTS, as does trying to memorize all the different hardware model numbers, service plans, and sundry acronyms that always seem maddeningly similar.

I can't imagine what it's like to actually have to test for engineer certs. Gah!

Before Cisco got a hold of them, LinkSys used to be decent equipment. They simply don't give a shit about the average user.

147 lostlakehiker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:37:03pm

A lot is riding on Charles' security. We thank you for taking it seriously.

148 laZardo  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:37:59pm

Speaking of routers, I'm looking for a replacement for my old-ass DI-524. Apparently my house is one big concrete block and virtually every device has to be directly wired to it because if anyone uses a wireless device downstairs, nobody can use it upstairs.

149 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:38:12pm

re: #141 Gus 802

[Video]

If its not Bon Scott, you can get the hell out

Youtube Video
150 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:38:21pm

re: #140 CuriousLurker

I can't imagine what it's like to actually have to test for engineer certs. Gah!

I took the CCNA cert. exam a handful or more years back, and failed with a 92%. Fucking hardcore.

I decided that's probably not the industry for me.

151 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:39:10pm

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If its not Bon Scott, you can get the hell out


[Video]

Yeah. But at least they had a valid excuse. Unlike Van Halen.

//

152 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:40:09pm

re: #146 b_sharp

Before Cisco got a hold of them, LinkSys used to be decent equipment. They simply don't give a shit about the average user.

Shhh, don't say that! I also use Vonage and when my last telephone adapter/wired router failed, they replaced it with one of the Cisco LinkSys models.

153 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:40:34pm

re: #144 researchok

OT, you were right.

BB ain't coming around.

Youtube Video
154 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:40:43pm

re: #146 b_sharp

Before Cisco got a hold of them, LinkSys used to be decent equipment. They simply don't give a shit about the average user.

check your e-mails, the account from which you sent cookbook e-mails.

155 freetoken  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:42:14pm

I'm trying to decide if I should jump into the latest Barrett thread up there in the Pages....
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Nah, I think I'd rather listen to some Christmas music. Here is Peter White from an older Christmas CD:


MP3 Audio
156 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:42:25pm

Movie trivia time in 2 parts, what 1999 blockbuster used many of the same sets as a 1998 underrated classic?

157 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:44:06pm

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Movie trivia time in 2 parts, what 1999 blockbuster used many of the same sets as a 1998 underrated classic?

Good grief.
Can you give us a hint?

158 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:45:01pm

re: #150 Slumbering Behemoth

I took the CCNA cert. exam a handful or more years back, and failed with a 92%. Fucking hardcore.

I decided that's probably not the industry for me.

Ouch! It's definitely not for everyone. Our people are constantly putting out one fire after another, usually in the middle of the night. Lots of stress & long hours, and endless recertifications.

159 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:45:16pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

[Video]

*sigh*
OK, then

160 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:45:50pm

re: #155 freetoken

Just go there briefly and comment. It's an important thread.

161 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:46:14pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

Ouch! It's definitely not for everyone. Our people are constantly putting out one fire after another, usually in the middle of the night. Lots of stress & long hours, and endless recertifications.

I worked help desk one summer.
Never.
Again.
:/

162 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:46:21pm

re: #157 reine.de.tout

Good grief.
Can you give us a hint?

I thought I did. 1999 Blockbuster, 1998 underrated classic.

OK, both sci-fi. Thats all you're getting.

163 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:46:43pm

re: #145 Gus 802

Merle Haggard - Fightin' Side of Me


[Video]Been a while since I posted this.

Well timed.

164 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:47:49pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought I did. 1999 Blockbuster, 1998 underrated classic.

OK, both sci-fi. Thats all you're getting.

Heh.
That's what I thought you'd say, as soon as I hit "post this comment".

I'm still lost.

165 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:49:30pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

Well timed.

Yeah. I tell yeah. Nothing makes me get my redneck on faster than moonbat talk.

166 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:49:40pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

Ouch! It's definitely not for everyone. Our people are constantly putting out one fire after another, usually in the middle of the night. Lots of stress & long hours, and endless recertifications.

The same thing turned me off computer programming as a career. I'd say I'd rather wrench on cars for a living, but quality mechanics have to endure endless recertifications as well.

167 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:50:07pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

Heh.
That's what I thought you'd say, as soon as I hit "post this comment".

I'm still lost.

We got some geeks around. If they haven't chimed in by 9, I'll post the details.

168 srjh  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:50:14pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought I did. 1999 Blockbuster, 1998 underrated classic.

OK, both sci-fi. Thats all you're getting.

My guess - Matrix and Dark City?

169 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:51:06pm

re: #168 srjh

My guess - Matrix and Dark City?

You are a good person, worthy of the adulation of others.

170 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:51:19pm

re: #168 srjh

My guess - Matrix and Dark City?

That's what I was thinking.

171 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:51:19pm

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We got some geeks around. If they haven't chimed in by 9, I'll post the details.

9 where?
It's 10:51 where I am.
LOL.

172 KronoGhazi  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:51:57pm

re: #140 CuriousLurker

LOL, I heard that.

Gawd, how I hate Cisco. I have sales specialist certs for express foundation, advanced security, and advanced wireless, so every 2 years I have to retake a bunch of exams. Cisco's corporate-speak drive me NUTS, as does trying to memorize all the different hardware model numbers, service plans, and sundry acronyms that always seem maddeningly similar.

I can't imagine what it's like to actually have to test for engineer certs. Gah!

I had to work on Chambers house out where I live. Total political clusterfuck: I had his head IT guy and security guy designing my stuff through a general contractor playing middleman.

Luckily, I lost out on contracts for the later stages of the project.

173 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:51:58pm

re: #148 laZardo

Speaking of routers, I'm looking for a replacement for my old-ass DI-524. Apparently my house is one big concrete block and virtually every device has to be directly wired to it because if anyone uses a wireless device downstairs, nobody can use it upstairs.

I hate to laugh, but LOL. I just had to.

802.11n helps, but bricks are not wireless friendly.

174 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:52:21pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

9 where?
It's 10:51 where I am.
LOL.

LGF Standard time, but we got a winner.

175 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:52:57pm

re: #174 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LGF Standard time, but we got a winner.

Yeah, I saw it.
Thank goodness, now I can get to sleep.

176 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:53:34pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

Yeah, I saw it.
Thank goodness, now I can get to sleep.

Dark City is awesome.

177 srjh  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:53:41pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Had a feeling it might be those two - "1999 sci-fi blockbuster" was pretty obvious, and I remember both were shot in Sydney (where I'm from, and they made a big deal of it locally) with a similar atmosphere.

178 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:54:27pm

re: #176 Varek Raith

Dark City is awesome.

Stands up much better over time.

179 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:54:31pm

re: #161 Varek Raith

I worked help desk one summer.
Never.
Again.
:/

I gave up on being a phone help desk, I now get my clients to install Teamviewer and connect to their system to do the work myself.

180 researchok  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:54:33pm

Manana. folks.

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:55:16pm

re: #168 srjh

My guess - Matrix and Dark City?

Both excellent movies.

182 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:55:48pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

9 where?
It's 10:51 where I am.
LOL.

CST?

183 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:56:10pm

re: #179 b_sharp

I gave up on being a phone help desk, I now get my clients to install Teamviewer and connect to their system to do the work myself.

Oh Zod, how I wanted to Force Zap the people at the other end of the phone!
Lol.

184 freetoken  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:56:35pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Just go there briefly and comment. It's an important thread.

But, I rather like Christmas music:

MP3 Audio
185 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:57:15pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

Oh Zod, how I wanted to Force Zap the people at the other end of the phone!
Lol.

Does Sith Lightning travel through the phone system?

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:58:19pm

re: #182 b_sharp

CST?

We do not abide by Canadian Socialist Time here, you commie Canuck!
///

187 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:58:59pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

Does Sith Lightning travel through the phone system?

No, but it does bring down the entire phone system...
So...it still solves the problem.
;)

188 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:59:24pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

Oh Zod, how I wanted to Force Zap the people at the other end of the phone!
Lol.

I once talked a customer through the checks necessary to get a dead system up and running. It didn't work, so I had to drive 1.25 hrs on a Sunday to get there and push the monitor cable in firmly. They couldn't figure out what I meant by power cable.

189 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:59:36pm

re: #182 b_sharp

CST?

yep.

190 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:59:52pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

No, but it does bring down the entire phone system...
So...it still solves the problem.
;)

That would knock you off of LGF if you use it.

191 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:59:57pm

re: #186 Slumbering Behemoth

We do not abide by Canadian Socialist Time here, you commie Canuck!
///

Jealous?

192 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:00:30pm

re: #186 Slumbering Behemoth

We do not abide by Canadian Socialist Time here, you commie Canuck!
///

Canadians use EhSt.
:P

193 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:00:42pm

re: #191 b_sharp

Jealous?

Proud, sir. Proud.
:P

194 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:00:42pm

re: #161 Varek Raith

I worked help desk one summer.
Never.
Again.
:/

Heh, I get to deal with that a little too.

CL: Okay, open your browser...
Client: What's a browser?
CL: the program you use to surf the web, like Internet Explorer.
Client: Um... Oh, okay!
CL: Now up type in ww...
Client: Type it in where?
CL: In your browser's address bar.
Client: Where's that?
CL: *headesk, headesk, headesk*

And so on and so forth. ;o)

Oh, wait! Client needs changes to web site. CL asks client to send them via email. Instead of copying text from the browser to Word, editing it, and sending me the Word doc, I get.... a PDF.... of the web pages that have been printed out, handwritten changes indicated in pen, then scanned to PDF and emailed back.

Similar: Create Word doc and send to client, asking that they add their feedback and email it back. I get... a TIFF... of the Word doc that was edited, printed, then scanned to TIFF and emailed back.

I could never, ever do that 40 hours a week.

195 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:02:12pm

re: #188 b_sharp

I once talked a customer through the checks necessary to get a dead system up and running. It didn't work, so I had to drive 1.25 hrs on a Sunday to get there and push the monitor cable in firmly. They couldn't figure out what I meant by power cable.

OMG, too funny.

Did you see the story I told once about a friend of mine, for whom I seem to be the "go-to" person for her computer problems?

She sent me an email, and she admitted up front that this was probably a stupid question and asked me not to laugh (an entreaty that I ignored) and then she asked me:

When she uses her printer to COPY a page instead of PRINTING something from the computer, does it use the SAME INK that the printing function uses?

I fell on the floor laughing . . .

196 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:02:19pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Both excellent movies.

What really bakes your noodle is when you realize that Zion was just another level of the matrix to keep the malcontents busy in a fake war against the machine.

198 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:03:57pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

yep.

Same as me. I'm going to bed.

If you can email me the model of your router, I'll email instructions on how to filter the MACs tomorrow.

199 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:04:22pm

re: #198 b_sharp

Same as me. I'm going to bed.

If you can email me the model of your router, I'll email instructions on how to filter the MACs tomorrow.

Will do.
THANKS.

200 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:05:11pm

re: #172 BigPapa

I had to work on Chambers house out where I live. Total political clusterfuck: I had his head IT guy and security guy designing my stuff through a general contractor playing middleman.

Luckily, I lost out on contracts for the later stages of the project.

Ugh, any project that involves politics or is done "by committee" or through middlemen is bound to be an ongoing nightmare.

201 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:06:13pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

Ugh, any project that involves politics or is done "by committee" or through middlemen is bound to be an ongoing nightmare.

Yes.
Check out "government jobs".

202 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:07:17pm

re: #195 reine.de.tout

OMG, too funny.

Did you see the story I told once about a friend of mine, for whom I seem to be the "go-to" person for her computer problems?

She sent me an email, and she admitted up front that this was probably a stupid question and asked me not to laugh (an entreaty that I ignored) and then she asked me:

When she uses her printer to COPY a page instead of PRINTING something from the computer, does it use the SAME INK that the printing function uses?

I fell on the floor laughing . . .

LOL.

You didn't tell her there is special copy ink? I don't know that I could have let that slip by, but then I'm an asshole.

203 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:07:18pm

re: #146 b_sharp

Before Cisco got a hold of them, LinkSys used to be decent equipment. They simply don't give a shit about the average user.

That's why when I buy a router for my self or others, Linksys especially, I buy stuff that DD-WRT will run on...much more flexible than stock firmware.

204 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:07:53pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

Ugh, any project that involves politics or is done "by committee" or through middlemen is bound to be an ongoing nightmare.

In the '90s, the Army was making the One Ring to Bind all installation support functions. The pricetag was in the billions. The FUBAHR was so spectacular that it made it into Scientific American.

205 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:08:09pm

re: #195 reine.de.tout

I get to be the "go to" guy for a lot of tech type shit with some folk just because I wear glasses.

They say: "What's wrong with this?"

I say: "Fukifino."

They say: "I thought you knew about this stuff."

I say: "Just because my eyeballs are fucked off doesn't mean I know everything. Fuck!"

206 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:09:32pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

I get to be the "go to" guy for a lot of tech type shit with some folk just because I wear glasses.

They say: "What's wrong with this?"

I say: "Fukifino."

They say: "I thought you knew about this stuff."

I say: "Just because my eyeballs are fucked off doesn't mean I know everything. Fuck!"

LOL.
Seriously, this lady is so computer illiterate, I seem like a genius in comparison.

I like that new word, "fukifino".
I'm putting it into my lexicon.

207 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:10:23pm

OK, I'm off for the evening, G'night all, have a great rest of the day!

208 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:10:32pm

re: #206 reine.de.tout

I like that new word, "fukifino".
I'm putting it into my lexicon.

Me too! LOL

209 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:11:15pm

re: #159 reine.de.tout

*sigh*
OK, then

The "let it be" sentiment was intended as a statement of my personal choice. Y'all can do as you wish. I have very strong feelings on the subject and I'm currently working on being a better person. I don't want to make problems.

210 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:12:45pm

re: #203 talon_262

That's why when I buy a router for my self or others, Linksys especially, I buy stuff that DD-WRT will run on...much more flexible than stock firmware.

I have no WRT54Gs left.

While the routers I use are under warrantee I won't play with the firmware other than to update it.

I haven't checked to see if DD-WRT will work with any of the newer routers.


What bugs me the most about LinkSys is the lack of removable antennas.

211 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:13:25pm

IBK Error: Idiot behind keyboard
FM patch: Fucking Magic, when the user explains "It doesn't do that when I try it."

212 Gus  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:13:39pm

Dirty Harry - The Enforcer

Youtube Video
213 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:14:05pm

Goodnight all.

214 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:14:09pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

I get to be the "go to" guy for a lot of tech type shit with some folk just because I wear glasses.

They say: "What's wrong with this?"

I say: "Fukifino."

They say: "I thought you knew about this stuff."

I say: "Just because my eyeballs are fucked off doesn't mean I know everything. Fuck!"

I have relatives who only phone me when their computers are giving them problems.

215 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:14:29pm

re: #196 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What really bakes your noodle is when you realize that Zion was just another level of the matrix to keep the malcontents busy in a fake war against the machine.

DUDE! I haven't seen that movie yet! How about a spoiler alert next time? :(
///clearly, you are not aware of all internet traditions

216 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:15:37pm

re: #214 b_sharp

I have relatives who only phone me when their computers are giving them problems.

They quit calling me when the first thing I asked was "Do you want me to make it work or do you want me to fix it?"

217 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:15:40pm

Where do the time go? 'Nite, all.

218 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:15:47pm

"I'm tryin' real hard, Ringo"
Pulp Fiction Ending Scene (Diner)

Youtube Video
219 b_snark  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:16:10pm

G'night friends. Farting is such sweet sorrow.

(Or something like that)

220 Kragar  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:16:26pm

re: #215 Slumbering Behemoth

DUDE! I haven't seen that movie yet! How about a spoiler alert next time? :(
///clearly, you are not aware of all internet traditions

After a movie leaves the theater, all spoiler rules are null and void.

221 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:17:15pm

Error: ID10T

222 laZardo  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:21:06pm

FWIW. The better version.

Youtube Video
223 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:23:51pm

re: #202 b_sharp

LOL.

You didn't tell her there is special copy ink? I don't know that I could have let that slip by, but then I'm an asshole.

Speaking of copy ink, a couple of years ago my elder half-sis had been emailing me tons of scans of old family photos—her favorite part about learning how to attach files was "making those cute little paper clips"—then one day she said she couldn't send me any more scans until she got ink cartridge refills becuase the ink in her scanner had run out. ??? I didn't even ask, I just said "OK".

224 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:26:42pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

The "let it be" sentiment was intended as a statement of my personal choice. Y'all can do as you wish. I have very strong feelings on the subject and I'm currently working on being a better person. I don't want to make problems.

My membership here has been a very transformative experience for me, and has inspired me to try to be a better person. I am grateful for that, and for LGF and the many Lizards who have inspired me.

Sometimes my emotions still get the better of me, and sometimes...

Sometimes there are certain things, certain subjects, certain ideologies, which deserve no quarter.

225 laZardo  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:28:23pm

re: #224 Slumbering Behemoth

Sometimes there are certain things, certain subjects, certain ideologies, which deserve no quarter.

DON'T GET ME STARTED AGAIN.

;D

226 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:29:29pm

I think it's time I scoot on out of here too. Nite, lizards.

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:30:20pm

re: #225 laZardo

Do it! You can tell me how evil I am, I can tell you how stupid you are, and then we can go for drinks and cigars afterwords.

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:35:18pm

Jalopnik is a great blog :D But thankfully I don't have an account there o_o

229 jaunte  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:44:51pm

Shel Silverstein: The Winner

Youtube Video

lyrics

230 lostlakehiker  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 9:53:12pm

re: #75 reine.de.tout

Not my neighbors.
Some guy bought up several properties and is renting rooms in them, which is illegal, he's not set up to run a rooming house business, but that's another matter and it's being worked on through our city council rep.

At any rate - he rents rooms to all sorts of grown men who do not appear to have a driver's license, and who can't afford an entire apartment, they can only afford to rent a room. I don't know where he finds these people, I think he advertises in various half-way houses around town. One renter was a convicted sex offender, we got the notice in our mailbox that he had moved in. I don't think the property owner does ANY sort of background check on his renters, he just rents the rooms out. So, no "neighborhood net" here.

In a city that had a modicum of law, it wouldn't be necessary to "work on it". The whole point of laws is to constrain the behavior, not of nice people who will politely obey them all, but of the others whose answer is who's going to stop me?

231 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 10:51:02pm

re: #224

232 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 12, 2010 10:56:05pm

re: #231 Floral Giraffe


I concur.

233 Summer Seale  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 12:09:00am

I've commented at Gizmodo once with my twitter account. I wonder if that means it is compromised.... I'll have to change it to be sure, I guess.

234 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 2:10:02am

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously?

Youtube Video
235 freetoken  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 2:22:05am
MP3 Audio
236 freetoken  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 2:34:02am

Duke!

MP3 Audio
237 JeffFX  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 2:50:41am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

How is this Gawker's fail for getting hacked? Kinda like blaming the victim, isn't it?

Not at all. It's entirely Gawker's fault if passwords were stolen from them. No remotely competent person stores user passwords in a database. You store a hash of the password created using a one-way algorithm. You can convert an entered password to the hash for comparison, but the hash can not be converted to the password. This is very basic stuff.

238 JeffFX  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 3:35:33am

Looking into this more, it appears that they may have stored a hash of the password, but without salt, so it's fairly easy to find at least dictionary words from the hash.

Wikipedia on hash and salt
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

239 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 3:51:33am

re: #238 JeffFX

Not salting is really dumb, especially given how many people will choose the same string as their password.

240 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 3:59:39am

Finally, my lack of InnerTooby searching is paying off

I visit only a handful of site. Besides Gawker (which I have heard of bu have never visited) I not onlt haven't visited any of the sites listed but have never HEARD of any of them

SATTVV's puter use;
LGF
E-MAIL
SOLITARE

//(a little)

241 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:01:56am

re: #237 JeffFX

Not at all. It's entirely Gawker's fault if passwords were stolen from them. No remotely competent person stores user passwords in a database. You store a hash of the password created using a one-way algorithm. You can convert an entered password to the hash for comparison, but the hash can not be converted to the password. This is very basic stuff.

Have you ever tried to use that as a pick up line in a club on a Friday night?

///

242 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:21:37am

Morning, all

243 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:46:43am

Okay. Now I'm pissed!

Swiss Miss used to give enough lil marshmellows in their instant hot chocolate to form a complete layer at the top of the cup

Today, less than half!!
GGRRRR!!!

BIG MISS IS RIPPING US OFF

244 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:47:29am

I'm a lifelong Bears fan.
Is my nose still bleeding?
(thanks for the whuupin', NE....reminded me of my youth when the Bears got a lot of these kind of beatings)

245 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:51:17am

re: #243 sattv4u2

Okay. Now I'm pissed!

Swiss Miss used to give enough lil marshmellows in their instant hot chocolate to form a complete layer at the top of the cup

Today, less than half!!
GGRRR!!!

BIG MISS IS RIPPING US OFF

Wow, this austerity program is reaching deep!

246 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:52:21am

re: #244 Taqyia2Me

I'm a lifelong Bears fan.
Is my nose still bleeding?
(thanks for the whuupin', NE...reminded me of my youth when the Bears got a lot of these kind of beatings)

I'm a lifelong Patriots fan
You're welcome)

((btw ,,, MILD payback for the time the Bears KILLED the Pats in Super Bowl XX))

247 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:53:18am

re: #245 Taqyia2Me

Wow, this austerity program is reaching deep!

Some Swiss Miss is about to get a strongly worded letter!

((whats the swear equivalent for Yodel??)

248 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:56:53am

re: #246 sattv4u2

I'm a lifelong Patriots fan
You're welcome)

((btw ,,, MILD payback for the time the Bears KILLED the Pats in Super Bowl XX))

Well ,,, not "lifelong" exactly

They didn't come into existence till I was 8 years old

249 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:57:29am

re: #243 sattv4u2

Okay. Now I'm pissed!

Swiss Miss used to give enough lil marshmellows in their instant hot chocolate to form a complete layer at the top of the cup

Today, less than half!!
GGRRR!!!

BIG MISS IS RIPPING US OFF

You know, that really is a bipartisan issue...

250 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 4:59:22am

re: #249 researchok

You know, that really is a bipartisan issue...

Yeah,,, until some group demands that there are NO marshmellows allowed because the people they represent are either
A) allergic to marshmellows
or
B) represent the underpaid MarshMellow Workers Union

251 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:02:47am

K ,, I'm totally depressed now after that marshmellow incident
Going to hibernate for awhile!

252 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:03:03am

re: #250 sattv4u2

Yeah,,, until some group demands that there are NO marshmellows allowed because the people they represent are either
A) allergic to marshmellows
or
B) represent the underpaid MarshMellow Workers Union

This points to a need for a Federal Hot Cocoa Marshmallow Inspection Agency (FHCMIA).

253 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:04:42am

re: #252 Gus 802

This points to a need for a Federal Hot Cocoa Marshmallow Inspection Agency (FHCMIA).

We'll need at least 3 inspectors so I'm going to recommend at least 3 billion dollars in funding. We might need to create an awareness day for this particular injustice.

254 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:04:50am

I SPUN OUT this morning on my way to work. My car spun 180 on the freeway and ended up stuck in a snowbank facing oncoming traffic. Some good Samaritans stopped and pushed my car in the right direction.

Miraculously, there were no damages to the car or injuries to myself. Well, I broke a nail.

I think I will drive Zedushka's Pontiac to work in bad weather.

255 Flounder  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:06:35am

Morning all. Managed to install a new radio in the wife's car, and it works! If women don't find you handsome, at least they find you handy.

256 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:10:03am

re: #253 Gus 802

We'll need at least 3 inspectors so I'm going to recommend at least 3 billion dollars in funding. We might need to create an awareness day for this particular injustice.

We'll need a marshmallow inspector and support staff union, one that will be exempted from health care reform legislation.

257 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:11:12am

re: #256 researchok

We'll need a marshmallow inspector and support staff union, one that will be exempted from health care reform legislation.

Good plan. We'll have to have a closed meeting of course. What being that we're all about transparency.

258 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:13:53am

re: #257 Gus 802

Good plan. We'll have to have a closed meeting of course. What being that we're all about transparency.

And they'll have to approve the bill before we can tell then what is in it.

259 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:14:26am

We're a sorry lot...

260 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:15:45am

re: #258 researchok

And they'll have to approve the bill before we can tell then what is in it.

Hey. We know what's best for them. We have advanced degrees. Heck, they're lucky we're not going to ban marshmallows. They do contain a lot of sugar and other harmful substances. I'm thinking about creating a marshmallow tax to help mediate the public costs of these dangerous foods.

261 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:15:57am

You know, we could get some stimulus money too.

And not tell anyone.

262 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:17:20am

re: #261 researchok

You know, we could get some stimulus money too.

And not tell anyone.

3 billion dollars for 3 jobs is money well spent. Don't forget. Without that inspection program there's no telling how bad this recession would have been. Don't worry about that either because you can't prove a negative like that.

263 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:17:22am

re: #260 Gus 802

Hey. We know what's best for them. We have advanced degrees. Heck, they're lucky we're not going to ban marshmallows. They do contain a lot of sugar and other harmful substances. I'm thinking about creating a marshmallow tax to help mediate the public costs of these dangerous foods.

AND.... if you have ever eaten marshmallows, you get the special scanner treatment at the airport.

264 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:18:31am

re: #263 researchok

AND... if you have ever eaten marshmallows, you get the special scanner treatment at the airport.

You never know. Get a bunch of marshmallows and squish them together and you can create an edible sticky bomb.

265 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:19:46am

re: #262 Gus 802

3 billion dollars for 3 jobs is money well spent. Don't forget. Without that inspection program there's no telling how bad this recession would have been. Don't worry about that either because you can't prove a negative like that.

We'll also need money for our pension plans as well as all our legacy costs.

And money for yearly meetings in Las Vegas, Hawaii and Phoenix.

You know, so we can keep up with the latest marshmallow education credits

266 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:21:42am

re: #265 researchok

We'll also need money for our pension plans as well as all our legacy costs.

And money for yearly meetings in Las Vegas, Hawaii and Phoenix.

You know, so we can keep up with the latest marshmallow education credits

Hmm. What do you think about marshmallow mascot? Sort of like the Michelin Man but made of marshmallows?

267 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:22:57am

Excelent idea. We can apply for a SBA loan for logo design, say 6-7 million.

We'll also need Congressional earmarks for marshmallow research.

Here and in 129 foreign countries.

268 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:23:19am

re: #259 researchok

We're a sorry lot...

Another day of typing and deleting?

[cough]

269 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:23:54am

re: #268 Gus 802

Another day of typing and deleting?

[cough]

That too,

LOL

270 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:24:35am

re: #267 researchok

Excelent idea. We can apply for a SBA loan for logo design, say 6-7 million.

We'll also need Congressional earmarks for marshmallow research.

Here and in 129 foreign countries.

6 to 7 million, at least. This would be for the preliminary proposal (narrative), study, and design proposals. Web site should run at least 18 million a year.

271 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:26:18am

Alright, I'm outta here- mindless (marshmallow) work meeting begins.

Gus, I'm counting on you to keep this project in front of the American public.

And Congress.

Never mind the public.

Later.

272 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:38:49am

Moneymaking is a wonderful thing

Youtube Video
273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 5:40:07am

Oops :)

274 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:28:27am

Vampire's heart

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

275 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:33:46am

High Altitude Marshmallow Peep Research

[Link: www.ebaumsworld.com...]

276 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:35:50am

What is the best blu-ray player to get with a Panasonic Viera TV?

277 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:38:23am

Morning, all.

Here's an OT sign that the apocalypse is nearly upon us. The NYT doing a puff piece on Ron Paul, noting how he has become embraced by the mainstream Congressional GOP.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

278 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:39:33am

And on the topic of puff pieces, did anyone else watch the 60 Minutes profile of Boehner? Not a hard question in the entire piece.

279 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:42:50am

On Topic at 279 or so...

re: #57 Rightwingconspirator

So very true. The worst thing about the internet is the casual attitude of licentiousness. As follows-Because it's the internet because it's "virtual" the following bad behaviors became acceptable even encouraged-Stealing music, stealing movies, stealing articles, digital breaking and entering aka hacking, text bullying, sexting (minors), email affairs, and oh BTW stalking.

Less anonymity would be a big plus.

In support of my earlier post I offer this Page...
Always interesting when a post gets up and down dings...

280 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:44:01am

And here's another fun bit of news:

Rick Santorum (the candidate, not the gooey slime) has figured out that to reach the appropriate level of folksiness, he needs to hide his Starbucks gold card, since, in some circles, getting your coffee at Starbucks is considered a negative personality trait of the coastal elites.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

281 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:45:33am

re: #277 garhighway

Morning, all.

Here's an OT sign that the apocalypse is nearly upon us. The NYT doing a puff piece on Ron Paul, noting how he has become embraced by the mainstream Congressional GOP.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

That probably ends up saying more about the mainstream Congressional GOP than it does about Ron Paul.....

282 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:46:08am

re: #277 garhighway

Disgusting. Are they making a new McCain maverick?

283 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:47:42am

re: #281 jamesfirecat

That probably ends up saying more about the mainstream Congressional GOP than it does about Ron Paul...

It says a lot about the Times, too.

Liberal media, my ass.

284 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:49:24am

re: #278 garhighway

No, I didn't watch it. Did he cry?

285 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:51:01am

re: #284 Obdicut

No, I didn't watch it. Did he cry?

Repeatedly.

But not due to hard questions.

286 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:51:13am

re: #283 garhighway

It says a lot about the Times, too.

Liberal media, my ass.

NYT is a weathervane. They were eventually anti-war during Vietnam, hated FDR. They reflect the Smart Money.

287 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:54:21am

Final content post of the morning. I read the online Columbia Journalism Review, which is an interesting window into the media business. They had a long post trying to identify their favorite corrections and mistakes of the year. Here's my favorite correction:

Then there was this, from Calbuzz.com:
In our Saturday post about the California Democratic Party’s ad attacking Meg Whitman but masquerading as an “issues ad,” we described the abrupt ending to our conversation with CDP Chairman John Burton. Through his spokesman, Burton on Monday complained that he had been misquoted. Burton says he didn’t say “Fuck you.” His actual words were, “Go fuck yourself.” Calbuzz regrets the error.

The whole piece is here:

[Link: www.cjr.org...]

288 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 6:54:34am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

NYT is a weathervane. They were eventually anti-war during Vietnam, hated FDR. They reflect the Smart Money.


At what point in American history was "hating FDR" the "smart money" exactly?

289 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:00:31am

re: #288 jamesfirecat

At what point in American history was "hating FDR" the "smart money" exactly?

In the 30s--early 40s, when there wasn't a lot of advertising cash around. (I might be mixing some "Time" magazine attitude w/ NYT--will check.)

290 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:04:04am

Idiot....

Second Sweden bomb went off early, authorities say

The bomber who killed himself in the second of two blasts in Sweden on Saturday was probably on his way to a more crowded location, but his bomb went off prematurely, Swedish authorities said Monday.

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:05:24am

re: #290 Killgore Trout

If it would always be so...

292 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:08:24am

Assange attorney: Grand jury meeting in Virginia on WikiLeaks

A secret grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, is meeting to consider criminal charges in the WikiLeaks case, an attorney for the site's founder, Julian Assange, told the Al-Jazeera network in an interview.
....
"I think that the Americans are much more interested in terms of the WikiLeaks aspect of this," Stephens told Al-Jazeera. He said it was his understanding that Swedish authorities have said that if Assange is extradited there, "they will defer their interest in him to the Americans. ... It does seem to me that what we have here is nothing more than a holding charge."
....
Meanwhile, the U.S. House Judiciary Committee plans to hold a hearing on "the Espionage Act and the legal and constitutional issues raised by WikiLeaks," according to its website. More details on the hearing and a witness list had not been posted as of Monday morning.

293 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:12:12am

Barret Brown and friends continue to fuck up the internet.....

Amazon site goes offline in Europe


Shopping website Amazon went offline for a brief period Sunday with a group of "hacktivists" suggesting they may be responsible.

Amazon.co.uk was unreachable, while the company's French, German and Italian domains were also experiencing problems.
....
A message on a Twitter account used by the activists, Anonops, read: "We cant confirm anything because we'll lose our accounts again. Be alert and you will realize."

An earlier post which quoted Abraham Lincoln read: "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves."

294 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:13:21am

OK, one more clipping, because this is just too good not to post, from the CJR:

Which brings me to this year’s top typo. It was the now-famous TBD.com error that led to THIS correction (and a column from me):
This blog post originally stated that one in three black men who have sex with me is HIV positive. In fact, the statistic applies to black men who have sex with men.

(From the same article as earlier linked)

295 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:13:36am

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Amazon Denies Hacker Attack Caused Shutdown of European Sites

296 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:14:30am

re: #294 garhighway

Heh.

297 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:15:04am

re: #288 jamesfirecat

At what point in American history was "hating FDR" the "smart money" exactly?

Example from Alexander Burnham, Virginia Quarterly. Note that Nixon might not be the first president to suffer from a Zionist Plot.

"Roosevelt was also not a fan of the "sacrosanct" New York Times. Although it supported the president's reelection in 1936, it was highly critical of his "judicial reform" plan, better remembered as FDR's attempt to pack the Supreme Court with justices who would protect his legislation from Congress. When he learned that publisher Arthur Hays Sulzberger and his lawyers had devised a tax plan that would keep control of the paper in the hands of the Sulzberger and Ochs families and out of the clutches of investors who were indifferent to the paper's independence, FDR was incensed. "It's a dirty Jewish trick," he told a Mississippi senator. The remark got back to Sulzberger, and he carried the insult to his grave. When Roosevelt ran for a third term in 1940, The Times supported Republican Wendell Willkie for president."

298 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:19:51am

re: #297 Decatur Deb

Example from Alexander Burnham, Virginia Quarterly. Note that Nixon might not be the first president to suffer from a Zionist Plot.

"Roosevelt was also not a fan of the "sacrosanct" New York Times. Although it supported the president's reelection in 1936, it was highly critical of his "judicial reform" plan, better remembered as FDR's attempt to pack the Supreme Court with justices who would protect his legislation from Congress. When he learned that publisher Arthur Hays Sulzberger and his lawyers had devised a tax plan that would keep control of the paper in the hands of the Sulzberger and Ochs families and out of the clutches of investors who were indifferent to the paper's independence, FDR was incensed. "It's a dirty Jewish trick," he told a Mississippi senator. The remark got back to Sulzberger, and he carried the insult to his grave. When Roosevelt ran for a third term in 1940, The Times supported Republican Wendell Willkie for president."

Personally I'm none to fond of FDR's plan to increase the size of the supreme court either to tell the truth. That said the key question is, if the NYT are a weather vane, what "wind" do they listen to?

300 darthstar  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:23:10am

re: #295 Killgore Trout

Amazon Denies Hacker Attack Caused Shutdown of European Sites

I was figuring it was something like that. Amazon's server farm is massive, and widely distributed. In fact, their static content (images, product descriptions, etc.) is largely served by proxies run by sub-contractors. We did this at Cafepress when I worked there. The servers only serve up information when a transaction is occurring. A company like Akamai with regional server farms replies to requests from ip addresses in various parts of the planet.

Get 15,000 hacktivists to organize their machines to send thousands of valid orders each, and then you might make a dent in their system...but they'll make money from your effort.

301 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:28:42am

re: #298 jamesfirecat

Personally I'm none to fond of FDR's plan to increase the size of the supreme court either to tell the truth. That said the key question is, if the NYT are a weather vane, what "wind" do they listen to?

They have a 200 million dollar line of credit. They didn't get it from a local Credit Union.

"Business Interests
The dominant owners of The New York Times Company-a holding company-control a large and complex business organization, which had 1997 revenues of $2.9 billion and earnings of $262 million. Among its 50 or more subsidiaries, the Times Company owns 21 newspapers in addition to the New York Times and Boston Globe, 8 TV and 2 radio stations, various electronic and other news and distribution services, a magazine group with a specialty in golf, forest products companies, and 50 percent ownership of the International Herald Tribune, with the Washington Post owning the balance.
The holding company's Class A stock is listed on the New York Stock Exchange and traded at about $65 per share in February 1998. The Sulzberger family owns 17.5 million shares of the 97.6 million Class A shares outstanding, or 18 percent; but it owns at least 87 percent of the 425,000 Class B shares, which are entitled to elect a majority (nine) of the 14 directors. The value of the Sulzberger family holdings in February 1998 aniounted to $1.2 billion. In 1997, family members Arthur Ochs Sulzberger and Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. also drew compensation from the company in salaries, bonuses, and options, totaling $1.5 million and $1 million, respectively.
These owners regularly associate with other rich and powerful people, who are anxious to cultivate the acquaintance of those who control the country's most influential newspaper. Such contacts occur on the board of the holding company, which includes business leaders drawn from IBM, First Boston (a major investment bank), the Mercantile Bank of Kansas City, Bristol-Myers Squibb (drugs), Phelps Dodge (copper), Metropolitan Life, and other corporations. The company also has a $200 million line of credit with a group of commercial banks, and periodically uses investment banks to underwrite its bonds and notes and help it buy and sell properties. These financiers and business executives press for a focus on the bottom line, and they would not be pleased if the Times took positions hostile to the interests of the corporate community (which, contrary to right-wing mythology, the paper does not do)."

Haven't had time to validate this source, but it's not obviously whack:

[Link: www.thirdworldtraveler.com...]

302 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:34:58am

The weather warmed up a bit here. Frogs singing this morning.

303 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:36:34am

re: #301 Decatur Deb

They have a 200 million dollar line of credit. They didn't get it from a local Credit Union.

"Business Interests
The dominant owners of The New York Times Company-a holding company-control a large and complex business organization, which had 1997 revenues of $2.9 billion and earnings of $262 million. Among its 50 or more subsidiaries, the Times Company owns 21 newspapers in addition to the New York Times and Boston Globe, 8 TV and 2 radio stations, various electronic and other news and distribution services, a magazine group with a specialty in golf, forest products companies, and 50 percent ownership of the International Herald Tribune, with the Washington Post owning the balance.
The holding company's Class A stock is listed on the New York Stock Exchange and traded at about $65 per share in February 1998. The Sulzberger family owns 17.5 million shares of the 97.6 million Class A shares outstanding, or 18 percent; but it owns at least 87 percent of the 425,000 Class B shares, which are entitled to elect a majority (nine) of the 14 directors. The value of the Sulzberger family holdings in February 1998 aniounted to $1.2 billion. In 1997, family members Arthur Ochs Sulzberger and Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. also drew compensation from the company in salaries, bonuses, and options, totaling $1.5 million and $1 million, respectively.
These owners regularly associate with other rich and powerful people, who are anxious to cultivate the acquaintance of those who control the country's most influential newspaper. Such contacts occur on the board of the holding company, which includes business leaders drawn from IBM, First Boston (a major investment bank), the Mercantile Bank of Kansas City, Bristol-Myers Squibb (drugs), Phelps Dodge (copper), Metropolitan Life, and other corporations. The company also has a $200 million line of credit with a group of commercial banks, and periodically uses investment banks to underwrite its bonds and notes and help it buy and sell properties. These financiers and business executives press for a focus on the bottom line, and they would not be pleased if the Times took positions hostile to the interests of the corporate community (which, contrary to right-wing mythology, the paper does not do)."

Haven't had time to validate this source, but it's not obviously whack:

[Link: www.thirdworldtraveler.com...]

It's funny how often people forget that Big Media is also Big Business, with all the attendant baggage that comes therefrom.

(Disclaimer: I am NOT "anti-Big Business". I work in Big Business. I AM in favor of a more realistic view of the big media and how they behave, and the simplistic "lamestream media" meme just doesn't work.)

305 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:41:33am

Fun! Meteors tonight!

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

306 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:41:55am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Good. It has nothing to do with bigotry.

307 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:44:24am

Yay, a downding spat :)

308 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:44:33am

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Barret Brown and friends continue to fuck up the internet...

The hell? Unwarranted.

re: #299 Killgore Trout

"Glenn Beck now sounds almost identical to" fringe conspiracist Alex Jones, writes Jones' website

Still waiting for them to appear on one another's shows. I have noticed an accelerated meltdown of sorts in Beck lately, maybe it will become reality soon.

309 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:45:00am

re: #307 Sergey Romanov

Yay, a downding spat :)

That's life noob.

310 darthstar  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:45:44am

re: #305 garhighway

Fun! Meteors tonight!

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Yay! And the peak for us west coasters will be between midnight and 3am...totally doable. Thanks.

311 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:45:59am

re: #309 Gus 802

No prob, old fart ;-)

312 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:46:48am

re: #311 Sergey Romanov

No prob, old fart ;-)

My pleasure, moonbat. ;)

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:47:34am

re: #312 Gus 802

Moonbat is in your mirror, but whatever ;-)

314 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:58:55am

How sad. Ojoe's traditional mention of the Whig party gets down dinged to the bottom list. I tell ya'. That Ojoe is so radical man!

315 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:04:58am

re: #314 Gus 802

How sad. Ojoe's traditional mention of the Whig party gets down dinged to the bottom list. I tell ya'. That Ojoe is so radical man!

I see I made the list for criticizing our pet anarchist and treason advocate. Strange days.

316 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:05:45am

Back for a bit.

317 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:05:49am

re: #315 Killgore Trout

I see I made the list for criticizing our pet anarchist and treason advocate. Strange days.

Amazing isn't it? I wonder how long before truthers start coming out of the woodwork.

318 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:07:57am

re: #315 Killgore Trout

But if downdings on Pages comments were included, Barrett would be in there quite a bit.

319 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:08:00am

re: #314 Gus 802

How sad. Ojoe's traditional mention of the Whig party gets down dinged to the bottom list. I tell ya'. That Ojoe is so radical man!

Ojoe's Whig-pimping is protected speech--I just updinged, but it didn't help. His comment was directed at the "Muslims for Bush" guy, and I'm not sure everyone saw that.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:08:22am

Good morning lizards from a cold & windy Virginia!

321 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:08:40am

re: #317 Gus 802

Amazing isn't it? I wonder how long before truthers start coming out of the woodwork.

There's no truthers on the left.

322 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:09:10am

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

There's no truthers on the left.

There's no Pravda in Tass.

323 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:09:29am

re: #317 Gus 802

Amazing isn't it? I wonder how long before truthers start coming out of the woodwork.

Or straw men.

324 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:09:36am

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards from a cold & windy Virginia!

What are you doing in a cold and windy vagina?

325 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:10:47am

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

There's no truthers on the left.

Yep. They're all Tea Party right wingers!!11ty

//

326 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:11:39am

re: #324 Walter L. Newton

What are you doing in a cold and windy vagina?

That's nasty, but I have a rule--if I chuckle, it gets an upding.

327 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:11:43am

re: #324 Walter L. Newton

What are you doing in a cold and windy vagina?

Trying to get warm.

328 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:13:14am

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

There's no truthers on the left.

Everyone knows they are all Wingnuts©!

329 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:13:14am

re: #319 Decatur Deb

Ojoe's Whig-pimping is protected speech--I just updinged, but it didn't help. His comment was directed at the "Muslims for Bush" guy, and I'm not sure everyone saw that.

Oh. I guess that was before I revealed the information on Hasan. Although these days you never know. I've been thinking. Hasan might actually be appealing to the far-left base.

330 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:13:18am

re: #326 Decatur Deb

That's nasty, but I have a rule--if I chuckle, it gets an upding.

If you notice, I rarely make locker room or bathroom humor comments, but occasionally they just hit the frontal lobe and the next thing I know, slips right out.

Sorry.

331 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:13:48am

re: #319 Decatur Deb

Ojoe's Whig-pimping is protected speech--I just updinged, but it didn't help. His comment was directed at the "Muslims for Bush" guy, and I'm not sure everyone saw that.

Just did the same.

i saw that earlier and let it slide.

My bad.

332 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:14:48am

re: #322 Decatur Deb

There's no Pravda in Tass.

Or Isvestia.

That was good. haven't heard that in awhile.

333 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:14:53am

re: #329 Gus 802

Oh. I guess that was before I revealed the information on Hasan. Although these days you never know. I've been thinking. Hasan might actually be appealing to the far-left base.

That's a good possibility. That's what I was thinking yesterday, especially since he's now pimping himself on Huffo. That's a hive of anti-semitism.

334 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:15:02am

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

Heh. Don't be.

335 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:16:24am

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

That's a good possibility. That's what I was thinking yesterday, especially since he's now pimping himself on Huffo. That's a hive of anti-semitism.

A killer bee hive...

336 jaunte  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:16:28am

re: #314 Gus 802

Just noticed your new no Wikileaks icon; in small scale it looks a little like you're opposed to siamese cats.

337 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:17:24am

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

That's a good possibility. That's what I was thinking yesterday, especially since he's now pimping himself on Huffo. That's a hive of anti-semitism.

Did he team up with that notorious antisemite Alan Derschowitz? /

338 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:17:37am

re: #336 jaunte

Just noticed your new no Wikileaks icon; in small scale it looks a little like you're opposed to siamese cats.

Rut roh! I love cats.

339 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:18:22am

re: #336 jaunte

Just noticed your new no Wikileaks icon; in small scale it looks a little like you're opposed to siamese cats.

That might work...

//

340 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:18:58am

BRB Time to get some cigarettes and pay some more SCHIP taxes.

341 researchok  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:20:27am

Back to the grind for a while myself.

Incompetent bureaucrats to deal with.

342 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:20:43am

re: #318 Obdicut

But if downdings on Pages comments were included, Barrett would be in there quite a bit.

I just sorta dislike people accusing Brown of computer crimes himself

weird I know

343 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:21:37am

re: #337 Sergey Romanov

Did he team up with that notorious antisemite Alan Derschowitz? /

And what does that have to do with the price of beans. I don't give two shits if Dershowitz writes on Huffo or not. I wasn't talking about Dershowitz, was I? I was talking about Hasan and the rampant anti-semitism that one finds, especially in the comments.

Now, why don't you actually address what I was commenting on?

344 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:21:38am

re: #329 Gus 802

Oh. I guess that was before I revealed the information on Hasan. Although these days you never know. I've been thinking. Hasan might actually be appealing to the far-left base.

He might appeal towards, but he'll never appeal to. He seems like a hard-core GOP who just was driven out by attacks on his religion.

345 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:22:31am

re: #317 Gus 802

Amazing isn't it? I wonder how long before truthers start coming out of the woodwork.

I'm such a truther because I don't think Brown should be accused of computer crimes

I must be a kaaa-razzzeee troooffer lololololongcatislong

346 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:22:50am

re: #342 WindUpBird

I just sorta dislike people accusing Brown of computer crimes himself

weird I know

He freely admits his involvement with Anonymous. He's quite open about it.

347 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:23:14am

re: #343 Walter L. Newton

Writing for HuffPo indeed has no relation to the price of tea in China. So what was your point about Hasan and HuffPo, exactly?

348 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:24:33am

re: #346 Killgore Trout

He freely admits his involvement with Anonymous. He's quite open about it.

There's more to Anonymous than Wikileaks and computer crime. They were most famous for going after Scientology.

349 Ericus58  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:24:59am

Oh joy.
Let's all put on our Guy Fawkes masks and prance around burning park benches too.

It's what all the cool kids are doing....

350 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:25:28am

re: #347 Sergey Romanov

Writing for HuffPo indeed has no relation to the price of tea in China. So what was your point about Hasan and HuffPo, exactly?

See... re: #333 Walter L. Newton

351 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:25:29am

re: #346 Killgore Trout

Being involved in Anonymous doesn't in any way, shape, or form, mean that you're involved in everything-- or anything-- that Anonymous actually does.

My final moment for Wikileaks, however, was learning that they had published the edited CRU emails with no hesitation. If all they're going to do is publish anything given to them, then they function simply as an uncritical propaganda tool; they'll publish anything as long as it's a 'leak'.

I watched Assange's defense of this, and found it idiotic. "Fight the lies with truth." How about you not spread the lies, jackass?

352 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:25:48am

re: #112 BishopX

Anonymity has nothing to do with sexting or online bullying. It makes stalking a tad easier, but it's not exactly rare offline. Copyright infringement was not invented on the internet, people have been passing around mix tapes, plagarising articles and watching bootleg videos for considerably longer than there has been HTML.

The internet is a communications medium, it allows people to do things they were doing before, just faster and cheaper. Yes, some of those things aren't nice things, but creating a panopticon to force people to conform to societal norms really isn't the answer.

Sorry I missed this reply last night...
We treat each media differently. In print copyright is aggressively protected. Music was well protected until digital. The internet made it easier to steal anonymously. A great enabler. Forcing folks to societal norms is what the Justice system does. From fines to prison.

Ever heard "good fences make for good neighbors" or "Opportunity makes a thief"?
That is why I maintain that anonymity on the internet needs to be pushed back some to reduce the theft and inhibit stalking. And with internet anonymity it is very difficult to keep adult content restricted to adults. A clarion example of inadequate restrictions or protections, right there.

353 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:25:48am

re: #349 Ericus58

Apparently, this morning is dedicated to burning strawmen.

354 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:29:18am

re: #351 Obdicut

Being involved in Anonymous doesn't in any way, shape, or form, mean that you're involved in everything-- or anything-- that Anonymous actually does.

My final moment for Wikileaks, however, was learning that they had published the edited CRU emails with no hesitation. If all they're going to do is publish anything given to them, then they function simply as an uncritical propaganda tool; they'll publish anything as long as it's a 'leak'.

I watched Assange's defense of this, and found it idiotic. "Fight the lies with truth." How about you not spread the lies, jackass?

Making independent assessments of truth is hard, risky and no fun. Just stirring shit is easy and fun. You can see why WL chooses one and not the other.

355 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:29:32am

re: #348 Decatur Deb

There's more to Anonymous than Wikileaks and computer crime. They were most famous for going after Scientology.

Anonymous (group)

Habbo raids

A popular target for organized raids by Anonymous is Habbo, a popular social networking site designed as a virtual hotel. The first major raid is known as the "Great Habbo Raid of '06," and a subsequent raid the following year is known as the "Great Habbo Raid of '07."[12] In that raid (and most others that occur), users signed up to the Habbo site dressed in avatars of a black man wearing a grey suit and an Afro hairstyle and blocked entry to the pool, declaring that it was "closed due to AIDS,"[12][13] flooding the site with internet sayings,[13] and forming swastika-like formations.[13] When the raiders were banned, they complained of racism.[13]
....
Epilepsy Foundation forum invasion

On March 28, 2008, Wired News reported that "Internet griefers"—a slang term for people whose only interests are in harassing others[50]—assaulted an epilepsy support forum run by the Epilepsy Foundation of America.[51] JavaScript code and flashing computer animations were posted with the intention of triggering migraine headaches and seizures in photosensitive and pattern-sensitive epileptics.[51]

They are a pretty vile group.

356 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:29:47am

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

OK, let's look at your #333:

That's a good possibility. That's what I was thinking yesterday, especially since he's now pimping himself on Huffo. That's a hive of anti-semitism.

You seem to tie antisemitism of some of HP's commenters to the act of writing for HP. Are you implying that Hasan is writing for HuffPo because it is antisemitic? Or are you implying that because Hasan is writing for HuffPo, he is antisemitic?

357 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:30:30am

re: #353 Obdicut

Apparently, this morning is dedicated to burning strawmen.

Well, it is cold outside (if you're in the Northern and Eastern parts of the US).

358 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:31:17am

re: #356 Sergey Romanov

OK, let's look at your #333:

You seem to tie antisemitism of some of HP's commenters to the act of writing for HP. Are you implying that Hasan is writing for HuffPo because it is antisemitic? Or are you implying that because Hasan is writing for HuffPo, he is antisemitic?

Huffpo has a much higher tolerance for anti-Semites than other blogs, including Daily Kos.

359 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:32:37am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

They're not a coherent group, though.

Basically, anonymous is /b/, some other forums, and a few other IRC channels. Some people on there will sometimes engage in group actions. That doesn't mean that everyone there does any action, approves of it, or is in any other way related to those people. The epilepsy group attack was done, if by any Anons at all, by a small minority. The FBI didn't think it was them.

360 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:33:25am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Anonymous (group)

They are a pretty vile group.

Anon is just the virtual equivalent of black-bloc anarchists who use "anti-globalist protests" as an excuse to commit vandalism and theft.

361 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:33:29am

re: #358 Alouette

I don't dispute that (because I don't know). This, however, doesn't relate in any way to the act of writing for HP (unless proven otherwise). Alan Derschowitz is strongly pro-Israel. He writes for HP. 'Nuff said.

362 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:34:08am

re: #349 Ericus58

Oh joy.
Let's all put on our Guy Fawkes masks and prance around burning park benches too.

It's what all the cool kids are doing...

How about we split the difference, by putting on Guy Fawks masks and thengo rickroll a Co$ building instead?

363 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:34:54am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Anonymous (group)

They are a pretty vile group.

Not sure they even qualify as a group. Like Black Bloc, they are a tactic. (Admittedly they seem to often go for the childish or punk.) I don't like people who spray-paint cathedrals, but the cathedrals persist unaware.

364 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:35:09am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Anonymous seems to be like Keyser Soze. Everyone's heard about them. Everyone's heard about what they've supposedly done. People will claim to speak for them (purported members then claim that they have no such spokespeople).

There's probably a small cadre of people who do the bulk of the attacks, and some people who join in on individual pursuits.

365 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:35:51am

re: #359 Obdicut

They're not a coherent group, though.

Basically, anonymous is /b/, some other forums, and a few other IRC channels. Some people on there will sometimes engage in group actions. That doesn't mean that everyone there does any action, approves of it, or is in any other way related to those people. The epilepsy group attack was done, if by any Anons at all, by a small minority. The FBI didn't think it was them.

Yeah as they themselves point out, they're no more a coherent group then a flock of birds is, birds fall in birds fall out of the flock, and their is no chief goose managing it all.

In short they're like any collection of human being, they have their saints and heroes, and they also have their losers, jackasses and criminals...

366 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:36:14am

re: #361 Sergey Romanov

I don't dispute that (because I don't know). This, however, doesn't relate in any way to the act of writing for HP (unless proven otherwise). Alan Derschowitz is strongly pro-Israel. He writes for HP. 'Nuff said.

Not everyone who writes for and/or posts at HuffPo is anti-Semitic, what I said is that anti-Semites are more comfortable there than they are here, or even at DKos.

367 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:37:19am

Duty calls. BBL

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:38:50am

re: #366 Alouette

I agree, if the premise of tolerance is correct (I only say 'if' because I don't read HP, but I trust your judgment). Still, that leaves writing for HP a neutral act.

369 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:39:23am

re: #364 lawhawk

And they have internecine fights, too. The guy screaming about how what they're doing doesn't work and is illegal while he counter-hacks them is probably an Anon, too.

370 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:40:25am

re: #368 Sergey Romanov

If the level of antisemitism of the comments were a commentary on the writers, then every single person who ever wrote anything that wound up on yahoo news would be an antisemitic panderer.

371 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:40:57am

re: #366 Alouette

Not everyone who writes for and/or posts at HuffPo is anti-Semitic, what I said is that anti-Semites are more comfortable there than they are here, or even at DKos.

And neither did I make that connection. I did say "That's a hive of anti-semitism" and we are already aware of Hasan's apparently anti-semitic remark... "Israel’s army is a terrorist organization in one’s eyes, as well, considering their recent atrocities against the many innocent people of Lebanon." and I surmised that Hasan would be appealing to certain people on the left... the anti-semites at Huffo.

I thought I was clear.

372 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:41:23am

re: #370 Obdicut

If the level of antisemitism of the comments were a commentary on the writers, then every single person who ever wrote anything that wound up on yahoo news would be an antisemitic panderer.

And anyone who wrote anything on youtube would be a...

Wait a minute...

////

373 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:42:34am

What the US government should do is arrange a 'leak' of a bunch of stuff to Wikileaks that's entirely disinformation. A bunch of fiction. Can cram some good comedy in there too.

That'd be a good demonstration of what appears to be a mind-numbingly stupid weakness in their philosophy.

374 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:43:21am

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

And neither did I make that connection. I did say "That's a hive of anti-semitism" and we are already aware of Hasan's apparently anti-semitic remark... "Israel’s army is a terrorist organization in one’s eyes, as well, considering their recent atrocities against the many innocent people of Lebanon." and I surmised that Hasan would be appealing to certain people on the left... the anti-semites at Huffo.

I thought I was clear.

Let's see. So what happens if we equate comments at Huffington Post and signs at Tea Party protests?

375 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:44:00am

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

Anti-IDF is not necessarily antisemitic. I find the remark unhinged and stupid. But calling it plain antisemitic cheapens the term, IMHO.

376 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:44:06am

"New cables show American diplomats smell great, shower often. Hidden humanitarian aid revealed. Hacked Biden's emails shows that he actually wrote all of Cormac McCarthy's books."

377 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:45:28am

re: #373 Obdicut

Heck, you could turn it into a canary trap. Not only do you expose the wikileaks as being completely incapable of discerning legitimate from illegitimate information, but you expose those who are committing the leaks.

The problem then is that some might take it a step further and post information and then news reports that are inaccurate/wrong that could lead to further upheaval. Heck, a couple of bogus reports last week ratcheted up tensions between Pakistan and India.

378 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:46:18am

re: #374 Gus 802

I'm actually surprised to see Dershowitz writing there, not because of the antisemitic comments, but because of their phoney-baloney wooo placebo science crap.

What point are you trying to make? It's not really clear.

379 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:46:29am

OK I think I got it now. 4 anti-Semitic comments at Huffington Post doesn't make them anti-Semitic but 4 racist comments at Hot Air makes them racist.

Understood.

380 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:46:41am

re: #376 Obdicut

"New cables show American diplomats smell great, shower often. Hidden humanitarian aid revealed. Hacked Biden's emails shows that he actually wrote all of Cormac McCarthy's books."

"Hidden Humanitarian aid"

Wow that's one of those "WhiteMail" Anti-Crimes that I've only heard of in Discworld before now.

Maybe some of our secret agents are also guilty of breaking and decorating into foreign embassies.... (That's when you break into someone's house and and then rearrange their stuff so it looks nicer than when you came in..)

381 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:47:53am

re: #373 Obdicut

What the US government should do is arrange a 'leak' of a bunch of stuff to Wikileaks that's entirely disinformation. A bunch of fiction. Can cram some good comedy in there too.

That'd be a good demonstration of what appears to be a mind-numbingly stupid weakness in their philosophy.

I'm sure that's being considered. I also suspect that the Feds are already infiltrating Wikileaks and all the knockoff sites. Probably also sending fake leakers and leaks. It'll take a while but all these idiots will be in jail soon.

382 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:48:59am

re: #379 Gus 802

OK I think I got it now. 4 anti-Semitic comments at Huffington Post doesn't make them anti-Semitic but 4 racist comments at Hot Air makes them racist.

Understood.

Who's saying that, exactly?

There's obviously a bunch of anti-semites at Huffington Post, along with a broader group of anti-Israel whackos who most likely believe the bullshit about it being mighty Israel vs. poor beleaguered Palestine. But who 'they' are is part of the question, I think. Dershowitz isn't an anti-Semite. There's nothing that can be spun to make him an anti-Semite.

383 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:49:29am
A comprehensive list of contributors to The Huffington Post blog can be found in its "Bloggers Index, but includes: Carole Bayer Sager, Greg Gutfeld, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Heather Robinson, Michael Moore, Jimmy Demers, Madonna, Alec Baldwin, Norman Mailer, Saskia Sassen, Sheryl Sandberg, John Cusack, Jon Foreman, Larry David, Nora Ephron, Madeleine Albright, Robert Redford, Alec Baldwin, Anneli Rufus, Neil Young, Rahm Emanuel, Albert Brooks, Mia Farrow, Russ Feingold, Al Franken, Ari Emanuel, Gary Hart, Edward Kennedy, Joshua Kors, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Jamie Lee Curtis, Ryan Reynolds, Richard Patrick, Craig Newmark, Donna Karan, Kenneth Cole, Ryan J. Davis, Jason Pinter, Donatella Versace, Bill Maher, Cleo Paskal, M. K. Asante, Jr., Robert Wright, Larry Gelbart, Stephen Covey, Wendy Diamond, Azar Nafisi, Chase Whiteside, and Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev.

Antisemites, all of'em. //

384 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:49:55am

re: #370 Obdicut

If the level of antisemitism of the comments were a commentary on the writers, then every single person who ever wrote anything that wound up on yahoo news would be an antisemitic panderer.

Yahoo news articles comments are about the worst I have ever seen. Maybe it's because they are unmoderated?

385 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:50:08am

re: #380 jamesfirecat

Well, the US actually commits quite a bit of hidden humanitarian aid. A lot of countries that we give aid to hide the origin and claim that it's coming from their own government.

386 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:50:32am

re: #384 Alouette

Yahoo news articles comments are about the worst I have ever seen. Maybe it's because they are unmoderated?

I have a GIFT for you....

387 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:50:42am

re: #384 Alouette

And because Huffpo is mainly US readership, I think, and Yahoo has a much more international readership. Maybe. I dunno.

388 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:51:43am

re: #383 Sergey Romanov

Antisemites, all of'em. //

Who claimed all (or any) the writers at Huffo were antisemites?

389 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:51:44am

re: #385 Obdicut

Well, the US actually commits quite a bit of hidden humanitarian aid. A lot of countries that we give aid to hide the origin and claim that it's coming from their own government.

You mean like to the foreign nation of "Louisiana"?

(Sorry it's just Bobby Jindal slamming the stimulus and then handing out huge checks still rankles a bit...)

390 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:52:33am

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

Who claimed all (or any) the writers at Huffo were antisemites?

Nobody claimed that? OK, I'll take it.

391 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:52:35am

re: #387 Obdicut

And because Huffpo is mainly US readership, I think, and Yahoo has a much more international readership. Maybe. I dunno.

I thought so. They get a lot of "What The Talmud Really Says!1!1ELEVENTY" type of posts.

392 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:54:35am

FREE LVQ!!!

393 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:55:45am

Here's some hero-worship that's even crazier than that for Assange:

MSNBC Video


A peace march called by local authorities in western Mexico turned into a show of support for a slain drug lord Sunday, with adults and children carrying signs lauding the capo known for handing out Bibles to the poor.

Hundreds of people turned out for the march in Apatzingan, the birth place of La Familia cartel leader Nazario Moreno, who was known as "The Craziest One" and reputedly indoctrinated his gang members in pseudo-Christian ideology.

394 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:04:40am

Not terrorist related, but a terror none the less...

"Fin de la prise d'otages dans l'école maternelle de Besançon"

La prise d'otages à l'école maternelle Charles-Fourier à Besançon a connu une fin heureuse, lundi 13 décembre. Tout au long de la matinée, le preneur d'otages a libéré la vingtaine d'enfants, âgés de 4 à 6 ans, retenus dans l'école. Un peu avant 13 heures, les cinq derniers enfants et l'institutrice sont sortis de l'école. Le preneur d'otages, un jeune homme de 17 ans présenté comme dépressif, a été neutralisé par un tir de pistolet à impulsions électriques, selon Jacques Grosperrin, député (UMP) du Doubs.

[Link: www.lemonde.fr...]

(or in English)

French police end hostage drama at nursery school

Police arrested a sword-wielding teenager at an infant school in the eastern French city of Besançon on Monday after he had taken 20 schoolchildren and a teacher hostage.

[Link: www.france24.com...]

395 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:04:51am

It think this is from researchok's page (already closed, so apologize if incorrect):

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

A man linked to two bomb blasts in the Swedish capital at the weekend had stormed out of a mosque in England several years ago and never returned after its leader challenged him over his radical ideas.

396 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:06:33am

Assange "Rockstar of the Year"

WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange has been elected "Rockstar of the Year" by the Italian edition of US music magazine, Rolling Stone, the publication announced Monday.

I wonder if he's going to send Pfc. Bradley Manning a thank you card?

397 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:08:36am

re: #396 NJDhockeyfan

Assange "Rockstar of the Year"

I wonder if he's going to send Pfc. Bradley Manning a thank you card?

Probably not. Wikileaks is already backing off on their promise to help pay for Manning's defense. No honor among thieves.

398 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:11:52am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

If they actually made that offer before he leaked the stuff, I don't see how they're not culpable.

399 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:17:16am

Reminder...

Meteor Shower Tonight: Geminid 2010 To Peak December 13, 14 (PHOTOS)

Stargazers are in for a treat tonight as the annual Geminid meteor shower is set to peak in the early hours of December 14, 2010. According to The AP, astronomers predict that it will be the best meteor shower of the year, with over 100 blazing meteors streaking through the sky each hour.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

And if any Lizards out there have NOT taken advantage of my free meteorite sample... here's another chance. I make this offer twice a year, around the time of the Geminid shower and the Perseid shower.

No joke, not a scam, I'm not builing up a mailing list, I given away a couple of dozen meteorites to Lizards over the last few years. Click on my name, find the email address, email me, and I'll mail you free of charge a real 4.3 billion year old meteorite fragment.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:21:03am

Breaking:

U.S. judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law

A federal judge in Virginia has found a key provision of the health care law unconstitutional, the first such ruling on President Obama's landmark reform.

Judge Henry E. Hudson of the Eastern District Court in Richmond, appointed by George W. Bush, ruled that the law's mandate that all Americans have a minimum level of coverage, or pay a fine if they do not, exceeds federal authority.

Virginia's Republican Attorney General, Ken Cuccinelli, challenged the law by rejecting the federal government's view that the mandate is enforceable under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. The state was seeking an injunction against the entire health care act if the mandate was found unconstitutional.

Virginia has passed a law stating that residents cannot be ordered to buy insurance.

A federal judge in Florida ruled in October that a separate suit challenging the law brought by 20 states and the National Federation of Interdependent Business could move forward. But a Michigan judge had dismissed a third suit earlier that month.

401 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:22:37am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh. Will it go to SCOTUS?

402 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:22:45am

Lawmakers Push Obama to Shore up State Dept.’s Cyber Efforts

Earlier this year, Gillibrand and Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah introduced the International Cybercrime Reporting and Cooperation Act, which would hold foreign nations accountable for cyber crimes committed within their borders, according to Tech Herald.

Clarke, chair of the House Homeland Security subcommittee on Emerging Threats, Cybersecurity and Science and Technology, has introduced a similar bill in the House, and said it’s needed now more than ever.

“Unfortunately, we have seen just how destructive cyber attacks can be to our businesses and cyberspace,” she added.

Symantec Chief Technology Officer Mark Bregman, who attended the legislators’ press conference, said he encouraged Congress to “follow the continued leadership that Sen. Gillibrand has exhibited on moving to reduce cyber crime issues and pass meaningful cybersecurity legislation.”

403 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:23:44am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

Breaking:

U.S. judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law

Good news.

404 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:24:01am

re: #401 Sergey Romanov

Uh oh. Will it go to SCOTUS?

Maybe but I doubt it will make it that far.

405 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:25:05am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

Breaking:

U.S. judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law

Well then I guess its headed to the SCOTUS.

That said, wasn't the entire Mandate a Republican idea to start with?

406 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:25:25am

re: #403 Gus 802

Good news.

Why do you say that?

407 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:25:45am

re: #403 Gus 802

Good news.

I bet there is a bit of cussing going on in Washington right now.

408 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:25:48am

re: #404 Killgore Trout

Maybe but I doubt it will make it that far.

Where do you think it will stop and what do you think the results will be?

409 KronoGhazi  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:26:07am

re: #392 Sergey Romanov

FREE LVQ!!!

What does that mean?

410 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:27:23am

re: #409 BigPapa

Haven't seen him for a while after that spat. I just hope he returns.

411 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:27:42am

re: #406 jamesfirecat

Why do you say that?

Because the federal government has no business telling me whether I should get health insurance and they certainly have no right tying in the IRS to that mandate subjecting me to a fine ($750 and subject to penalties and interest if not payed in a timely fashion) if I do not purchase said insurance.

412 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:28:58am

re: #405 jamesfirecat

Yep.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Back when they were fighting against Hilary's health care plan, they offered the mandate as a sensible option.

Heh. Even the goddamn Heritage Foundation thought it was good.

413 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:29:16am

re: #410 Sergey Romanov

(Maybe "spat" isn't the right word, the topic was important. But you get me.)

414 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:29:23am

re: #408 jamesfirecat

Where do you think it will stop and what do you think the results will be?

The decision will probably get overturned on appeal. What these groups are doing is judge shopping. There have been dozens of legal challenges to healthcare reform filled all over the country hoping to find a judge that will rule in their favor. Eventually they'll find a few friendly judges but I doubt it will ever make it as high as the supreme court.

415 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:29:35am

More from the NYT:

Health Care Law Ruled Unconstitutional

...In a 42-page opinion issued in Richmond, Va., Judge Hudson wrote that the law’s central requirement that most Americans obtain health insurance exceeds the regulatory authority granted to Congress under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. The insurance mandate is central to the law’s mission of covering more than 30 million uninsured because insurers argue that only by requiring healthy people to have policies can they afford to treat those with expensive chronic conditions.

The judge wrote that his survey of case law “yielded no reported decisions from any federal appellate courts extending the Commerce Clause or General Welfare Clause to encompass regulation of a person’s decision not to purchase a product, not withstanding its effect on interstate commerce or role in a global regulatory scheme.”

...The Justice Department, which is defending the statute, is also considering whether to appeal Judge Hudson’s ruling to the Fourth Circuit, which hears cases from Virginia and four other states. That would leave that court to consider opposite rulings handed down over two weeks in courthouses situated only 116 miles apart.

416 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:30:53am

re: #411 Gus 802

Because the federal government has no business telling me whether I should get health insurance and they certainly have no right tying in the IRS to that mandate subjecting me to a fine ($750 and subject to penalties and interest if not payed in a timely fashion) if I do not purchase said insurance.

The problem is, we can't have a capitalistic style of health insurance with no prepaid condition blocking AND the ability to buy in whenever you want.

The reason being obviously that if we had both people wouldn't buy insurance till they needed it, which defeats the entire point of calling it "insurance" in the first place.

So with that said I guess the only thing left to do is just flat out tax people and use that tax money to create a public option since that would clearly be consititutional, right?

417 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:32:08am

re: #414 Killgore Trout

The decision will probably get overturned on appeal. What these groups are doing is judge shopping. There have been dozens of legal challenges to healthcare reform filled all over the country hoping to find a judge that will rule in their favor. Eventually they'll find a few friendly judges but I doubt it will ever make it as high as the supreme court.

The fact that the guy who ruled in their favor was appointed by George W Bush is an on the surface (I'd want to look at some other rulings of his before saying more than that) point in favor of your argument.

I sincerely hope you are correct.

418 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:32:36am

re: #416 jamesfirecat

Solution: go back in time and have Nixon pass health care reform. Let him read some Gawande paper's on it, but for god's sake don't tell him that Gawande is Indian. You know how Nixon be.

419 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:32:39am

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

More from the NYT:

Health Care Law Ruled Unconstitutional

Ugh, NYT has every link I've clicked this morning behind a new fire wall.

420 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:32:54am

re: #416 jamesfirecat

The problem is, we can't have a capitalistic style of health insurance with no prepaid condition blocking AND the ability to buy in whenever you want.

The reason being obviously that if we had both people wouldn't buy insurance till they needed it, which defeats the entire point of calling it "insurance" in the first place.

So with that said I guess the only thing left to do is just flat out tax people and use that tax money to create a public option since that would clearly be consititutional, right?

The public option may actually pass Constitutional muster far more than the mandate. So yet, that would be an alternative. Otherwise, the mandate is a violation of the Commerce Clause and I agree with the judge's finding.

421 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:33:29am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

Ugh, NYT has every link I've clicked this morning behind a new fire wall.

Have they banned you from their website?

422 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:33:50am

re: #417 jamesfirecat

The fact that the guy who ruled in their favor was appointed by George W Bush is an on the surface (I'd want to look at some other rulings of his before saying more than that) point in favor of your argument.

I sincerely hope you are correct.

There were too many sane judges appointed by the conservative Presidents for me to count this as an explanation ;-)

423 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:34:05am

re: #418 Obdicut

Solution: go back in time and have Nixon pass health care reform. Let him read some Gawande paper's on it, but for god's sake don't tell him that Gawande is Indian. You know how Nixon be.

///Nixon isn't smart enough to figure that out on his own with a name like 'Gawande"?

(No offense intended to anyone especially those actually named "Gawande")

424 KronoGhazi  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:35:02am

re: #413 Sergey Romanov

(Maybe "spat" isn't the right word, the topic was important. But you get me.)

I get you. I just wondered if it was self imposed, a time out, or other.

And my next question: WHICH spat?

425 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:35:11am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

Ugh, NYT has every link I've clicked this morning behind a new fire wall.

Oh my goodness... there was a GOLDLINE ad on the same page as that NYT article... Beck has invaded everything. Does that make the NYT part of the far right?

426 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:35:40am

re: #423 jamesfirecat

We'll just tell Nixon that Gawande is an Israeli Jew, and it'll all be cool.

427 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:36:36am

re: #424 BigPapa

Timeouts are short, so it's self-imposed for now. The debate was on the misogynistic terms and descriptions.

428 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:36:37am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

Ugh, NYT has every link I've clicked this morning behind a new fire wall.

More from the NYT:

...Judge Hudson, who previously was best known for sentencing the N.F.L. quarterback Michael Vick to 23 months for dog fighting, had telegraphed his leanings in a series of hearings and preliminary opinions. But the ruling was nonetheless striking given that only nine months ago prominent law professors were dismissing the constitutional claims as just north of frivolous.

The case centers on whether Congress has authority under the Commerce Clause to compel citizens to purchase a commercial product – namely health insurance – in the name of regulating an interstate economic market. Plaintiffs in the lawsuits argue there effectively would be no limits on federal power, and that the government could force people to buy American cars or, as Judge Hudson remarked at one hearing, “to eat asparagus.”

The Supreme Court’s position on the Commerce Clause has evolved through four signature cases over the last 68 years, with three decided since 1995. Two of the opinions established broad powers to regulate even personal commercial decisions that may influence a broader economic scheme. But other cases have limited regulation to “activities that have a substantial effect on interstate commerce.”

A major question, therefore, has been whether the income tax penalties levied against those who do not obtain health insurance are designed to regulate “activity” or, as Virginia’s solicitor general, E. Duncan Getchell Jr., has argued, “inactivity” that is beyond Congress’ reach.

Justice Department lawyers have responded that individuals cannot opt out of the medical market, and that the act of not obtaining insurance is an active decision to pay for health care out of pocket. They say that such decisions, taken in the aggregate, shift billions of dollars in uncompensated care costs to governments, hospitals and the privately insured.

The ruling is a political score for Mr. Cuccinelli, who filed the lawsuit on his own rather than join the Pensacola case. It upstages a major hearing in Florida scheduled for Thursday before Judge Roger Vinson of Federal District Court in Pensacola, Fla., who is expected to rule early next year. Like Judge Hudson, Judge Vinson has expressed reservations about the insurance mandate.

429 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:37:37am

re: #425 Walter L. Newton

Oh my goodness... there was a GOLDLINE ad on the same page as that NYT article... Beck has invaded everything. Does that make the NYT part of the far right?

You know it. They will start the Oligarchy processing immediately!

430 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:38:15am

Heh. Now I'm getting down dinged in my own LGF pages by the ankle biters. My oh my.

431 Flounder  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:40:29am

re: #430 Gus 802

You must be doing something right then.

432 Ericus58  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:40:48am

How to Tow a Top Secret Military Space Plane with a Pickup Truck

[Link: news.pickuptrucks.com...]

"Last week, the U.S. Air Force's X-37B unmanned space plane landed at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California after completing a top-secret 220-day orbital space mission. It was towed from the runway by a 1994-1998 Chevrolet C/K 3500.

The X-37B resembles the U.S. space shuttle, but it's only a bit larger than a heavy-duty pickup truck. It weighs about 11,000 pounds and has a cargo bay that measures about 7 feet by 4 feet.

Based on pictures released by Boeing, the one-ton GMT 400 Chevy dually used to tow the X-37B to a secure hangar probably has the old 230-290 horsepower, 454-cubic-inch (7.4-liter) big-block V-8 gas engine because the 6.5-liter V-8 diesel would have had two air inlets in the front bumper. The HD pickup appears to have a custom high-low conventional hitch adapter hooked up to a dolly that guides the X-37B's landing gear.

The X-37B might be the most expensive object ever towed by a heavy-duty pickup."

Nice photo's I might ad...

433 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:42:18am

re: #430 Gus 802

You got downdinged for telling people to quit complaining when they gave you useful advice about logo composition.

And for that you call them 'ankle-biters'?

Why?

435 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:43:53am

re: #433 Obdicut

You got downdinged for telling people to quit complaining when they gave you useful advice about logo composition.

And for that you call them 'ankle-biters'?

Why?

Because that was rude. I work in graphics as well as architecture. I know about image formats. If I want to post a jpg that's my business since it's my LGF page. I don't need to be lecture by some nameless internet entity.

436 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:45:11am

re: #435 Gus 802

You seem to really be taking everything in the worst possible way recently.

437 Gus  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:45:26am

re: #436 Obdicut

You seem to really be taking everything in the worst possible way recently.

MYOB

438 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:47:56am

Website to export French-style adultery to 'puritan' US


A young Frenchman is to launch his extramarital dating website in the "puritan" United States, selling the idea that adultery is no longer what it used to be, and could in fact save your marriage.

The clash of national stereotypes will see "French touch" Gleeden.com vaunt its women-friendly credentials over the likes of brasher and more well-established North American adulterers' site AshleyMadison.com.

Fully 14 percent of Frenchmen do not consider a one-night stand infidelity, nor do seven percent of Frenchwomen, while 22 percent of the French think that infidelity can save a relationship as it "gives moments of freedom."

[Link: www.france24.com...]

Evidently this dude hasn't studied our religious right adulterer?

I love this paragraph.

Not surprisingly, in a country where an overnight bag is known as a "baise-en-ville" (sex away from home), Truchot doesn't think adultery is necessarily bad.

439 KingKenrod  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:49:29am

re: #414 Killgore Trout

The decision will probably get overturned on appeal. What these groups are doing is judge shopping. There have been dozens of legal challenges to healthcare reform filled all over the country hoping to find a judge that will rule in their favor. Eventually they'll find a few friendly judges but I doubt it will ever make it as high as the supreme court.

It's definitely going to the Supreme Court. This isn't crackpot stuff like birther lawsuits, the individual mandate is unprecedented. And state AG's aren't just going to give up defending their own laws.

440 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:50:37am

re: #427 Sergey Romanov

Timeouts are short, so it's self-imposed for now.

I had thought the same thing, but it looks like the timeout is still in effect.

441 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:51:43am

re: #440 publicityStunted

Thanks, didn't know.

442 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:52:55am

re: #440 publicityStunted

I had thought the same thing, but it looks like the timeout is still in effect.

What did he do?

443 webevintage  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:53:24am

re: #411 Gus 802

Because the federal government has no business telling me whether I should get health insurance and they certainly have no right tying in the IRS to that mandate subjecting me to a fine ($750 and subject to penalties and interest if not payed in a timely fashion) if I do not purchase said insurance.

Which would be fine if you were willing to sign a piece of paper that said you will never ever ever expect the gov't to pay for your health care. That no matter what your financial situation you will never ever show up at an emergency room after a horrible accident and expect your bill to be picked up by the hospital. That your family will be able to pay all your hospital bills case of a horrible emergency situation. That you will always, always have enough money to pay whatever medical care you may require from an emergency.

444 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:54:37am

re: #441 Sergey Romanov

Thanks, didn't know.

Neither did I until I checked. I was under the impression timeouts only lasted 24 hours, but I guess that can be adjusted depending on the circumstances.

re: #442 Alouette

What did he do?

See the end of this thread.

445 webevintage  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:54:44am

re: #439 KingKenrod

It's definitely going to the Supreme Court. This isn't crackpot stuff like birther lawsuits, the individual mandate is unprecedented. And state AG's aren't just going to give up defending their own laws.

Or trying to make a name for themselves in certain circles....

446 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:55:15am

re: #442 Alouette

Alouette, please see the tail of this thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

447 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:55:24am

re: #353 Obdicut

Apparently, this morning is dedicated to burning strawmen.

No shit, it's like extra goofy here today, ugh

448 Buck  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:55:45am

re: #438 Walter L. Newton

Website to export French-style adultery to 'puritan' US

Ashley Madison is already very successful at this.

Don't ask me how I know..

449 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:56:35am

Putin over the top of 'Blueberry Hill' with piano solo

Youtube Video

Next. The X Factor.

450 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:57:04am

re: #346 Killgore Trout

He freely admits his involvement with Anonymous. He's quite open about it.

yeah, and Anonymous does more than run botnets

I know a LOT of people who support Anonymous.

Wanna know why?

because they intensely dislike Scientology.

No HAXXORing, no botnets, no illegal anything, no strawmen, no shit you heard here.

but I guess we're all KAPUTAR KRIMNINALSS!!111

451 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:57:15am

re: #448 Buck

Ashley Madison is already very successful at this.

Don't ask me how I know..

It's mentioned in the article.

452 Buck  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 9:58:04am

re: #443 webevintage

Which would be fine if you were willing to sign a piece of paper that said you will never ever ever expect the gov't to pay for your health care. That no matter what your financial situation you will never ever show up at an emergency room after a horrible accident and expect your bill to be picked up by the hospital. That your family will be able to pay all your hospital bills case of a horrible emergency situation. That you will always, always have enough money to pay whatever medical care you may require from an emergency.

This is why the insurance industry has always expected you to buy insurance BEFORE you need it. Now if you can't be turned down for a pre-existing condition.... well the economic seem to break down here.

453 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 10:00:48am

re: #401 Sergey Romanov

It's pretty much a guarantee that the case will go to the US Supreme Court. Expect other circuits to hand down decisions upholding this particular provision - the individual mandate (which takes effect in 2014). Because you'll end up with different outcomes depending on which court is handing down the decisions, it will go up on appeal to the US Supreme Court.

454 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 10:01:37am

re: #351 Obdicut

Being involved in Anonymous doesn't in any way, shape, or form, mean that you're involved in everything-- or anything-- that Anonymous actually does.

This.

455 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 10:03:30am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Anonymous (group)

They are a pretty vile group.

re: #359 Obdicut

They're not a coherent group, though.

Basically, anonymous is /b/, some other forums, and a few other IRC channels. Some people on there will sometimes engage in group actions. That doesn't mean that everyone there does any action, approves of it, or is in any other way related to those people. The epilepsy group attack was done, if by any Anons at all, by a small minority. The FBI didn't think it was them.

I think what we have here is a generation gap between the INTERNET!!! people here and the people who are just on the internet.

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 10:06:32am

re: #455 WindUpBird

Also, I should mention how big 4chan is, for people who never visit it, couldn't tell their /d/ from their /b/, and how many people visit it each day, which is 500,000. A day.

I GUESS THAT THEY IS ALL KAPUTAR KRINMINALSS212111

457 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 10:06:45am

re: #455 WindUpBird

re: #359 Obdicut

I think what we have here is a generation gap between the INTERNET!!! people here and the people who are just on the internet.

If you ever think Anonymous doesn't have a heart, do yourself a favor and gogle "Dusty the cat"

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 10:06:54am

re: #438 Walter L. Newton

Website to export French-style adultery to 'puritan' US

Evidently this dude hasn't studied our religious right adulterer?

I love this paragraph.

Well, lots of luck.

459 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 10:11:13am

re: #455 WindUpBird

re: #359 Obdicut

I think what we have here is a generation gap between the INTERNET!!! people here and the people who are just on the internet.

Feathered agist punk.

460 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 10:27:09am

re: #230 lostlakehiker

In a city that had a modicum of law, it wouldn't be necessary to "work on it". The whole point of laws is to constrain the behavior, not of nice people who will politely obey them all, but of the others whose answer is who's going to stop me?

The law says two unrelated people can live in a home unoccupied by the owner. If the owner lives there, it can be 3. Thus far, he's doing a damned good job of keeping his 'extras" hidden from view.

461 garhighway  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 10:50:48am

re: #453 lawhawk

It's pretty much a guarantee that the case will go to the US Supreme Court. Expect other circuits to hand down decisions upholding this particular provision - the individual mandate (which takes effect in 2014). Because you'll end up with different outcomes depending on which court is handing down the decisions, it will go up on appeal to the US Supreme Court.

Agree. The only caveat to this would be if the E VA DC is overturned by the CCA. If there is no conflict among the Circuits, maybe it's a no-go.

But I call it 70-30 n favor of Scotus getting involved. Then it gets interesting. Ideologically, they are in favor of deference to legislative authority. But in practice, the conservative majority has been quite willing to substitute their judgment for that of the legislative branch and to overturn established precedent to get what they want. So this is very much up in the air.

462 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 13, 2010 7:22:58pm

re: #457 jamesfirecat

If you ever think Anonymous doesn't have a heart, do yourself a favor and gogle "Dusty the cat"

And LukeyWes1234.

Anon isn't what a some here seem to think it is. They have known about it for all of a month, and are just CONVINCED they have it all figured out.


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