The Honey Badger Simply Does Not Care
He just takes what he wants
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Time for a wildlife documentary about the crazy nastyass honey badger, because he does not give a shit.
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492 comments
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jamesfirecat Wed, Feb 23, 2011 8:54:36pm |
The Tea party is like the honey badger, except not as cute /loveable...
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 8:57:02pm |
pardon my old glasses I first thought that read horny badger...
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Virginia Plain Wed, Feb 23, 2011 8:57:54pm |
The Honey Badger could be the new Chuck Norris.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 8:59:48pm |
"Honey Badger Don't Care "
--can we have this has a new rotating title?
I think I like the Honey Badger
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:00:14pm |
Too bad he's not a mongoose because otherwise they could set that old Donovan song to what he does. That badger is bad ass though.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:00:24pm |
re: #2 brookly red
pardon my old glasses I first thought that read horny badger...
I think Horney Badgers care even less.
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Girth Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:01:21pm |
You think the Honey Badger cares? It doesn't give a shit!
I like it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:01:26pm |
re: #7 HappyWarrior
Too bad he's not a mongoose because otherwise they could set that old Donovan song to what he does. That badger is bad ass though.
I don't think I would want to come between a Mama Honey Badger and her Young. Mama Honey Badger don't care how big I am.
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Girth Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:02:50pm |
re: #10 ggt
I don't think I would want to come between a Mama Honey Badger and her Young. Mama Honey Badger don't care how big I am.
You could sting it a thousand times, it wouldn't give a shit.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:02:51pm |
Subliminal support for Wisconsin.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:03:08pm |
re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist
C. Z. Gordon, an actor from New York.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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What, me worry? Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:03:31pm |
re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist
Who, exactly, is 'Randall'?
Randall rocks. Click through to his other videos. He should have been on Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, but I'm sure he doesn't give a shit.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:03:53pm |
re: #11 Girth
You could sting it a thousand times, it wouldn't give a shit.
I have a feeling Honey Badger would be te one to walk away from a gun fight.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:04:52pm |
re: #15 ggt
I have a feeling Honey Badger would be te one to walk away from a gun fight.
not so much.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:05:17pm |
Here's another funnyass video from Randall:
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:05:22pm |
But what if there weren't any chickens?
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:06:50pm |
re: #19 negativ
But what if there weren't any chickens?
[Video]
the price of omelettes's would go up?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:07:08pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:10:43pm |
re: #18 Charles
That was very funny!
Thank you!
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:11:09pm |
I wonder if I could send one to my landlord?
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Querent Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:11:27pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:12:52pm |
re: #7 HappyWarrior
Too bad he's not a mongoose because otherwise they could set that old Donovan song to what he does. That badger is bad ass though.
The mongoose is seriously bad ass, they kill snakes because fuck snakes.
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albusteve Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:12:54pm |
check out the bullfrog vid...another good one
I like Randall
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Lidane Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:14:07pm |
The inevitable wingnut excuse has finally come out:
It was satire, y'all! Why are you so damned sensitive?
///
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:15:59pm |
re: #1 jamesfirecat
The Tea party is like the honey badger, except not as cute /loveable...
so it will eventually kill the snake?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:16:04pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:17:17pm |
re: #18 Charles
Here's another funnyass video from Randall:
[Video]
Randall sounds like Big Gay Al meets Strange Wilderness...fucking hilarious!
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:20:12pm |
Twenty bucks says someone registers as "honey-badger" within a week.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:21:20pm |
re: #35 brookly red
Twenty bucks says someone registers as "honey-badger" within a week.
Because they don't give a shit ;-P
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:23:05pm |
re: #29 Lidane
The inevitable wingnut excuse has finally come out:
It was satire, y'all! Why are you so damned sensitive?
///
Fuck Cox...and not in a good way. The slimy bastard got what he deserved...
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:24:19pm |
re: #38 talon_262
Fuck Cox...and not in a good way. The slimy bastard got what he deserved...
Fuck Cox?... well what can I say?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:25:31pm |
re: #37 MikeySDCA
As to Pima County seceding, this is idiocy, as my father's Arkansas ancestors, whose ancestors had served under Washington, learned to their chagrin. Mother's father came over on the boat from Bohemia.
I don't get it. A county? seceding? WTF?
I can see a state, but a county?
Have they thought this thru or is it a bluff? I know, it's a bluff. Perhaps someone should let them and see how it goes for them.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:27:05pm |
re: #40 ggt
I don't get it. A county? seceding? WTF?
I can see a state, but a county?
Have they thought this thru or is it a bluff? I know, it's a bluff. Perhaps someone should let them and see how it goes for them.
did any one ever see the movie The Mouse That Roared?
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jaunte Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:27:20pm |
re: #37 MikeySDCA
They're talking about seceding from Arizona so they can stay in the U.S.
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Kruk Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:27:38pm |
re: #34 Lidane
Well, after this one. Heh.
Heh. I saw a wingnut on another site claiming President Obama's announcement on DOMA today was just a diversion from what was happening in Wisconsin.
Reminded me of one of Murphy's Laws of Combat: that enemy diversion you've been ignoring is really their main attack.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:29:16pm |
re: #42 jaunte
They're talking about seceding from Arizona so they can stay in the U.S.
interesting... what would they be then? west,west Texas?
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:30:19pm |
re: #40 ggt
I don't get it. A county? seceding? WTF?
I can see a state, but a county?
Have they thought this thru or is it a bluff? I know, it's a bluff. Perhaps someone should let them and see how it goes for them.
Pima County is where Tucson is...the county has about as much land mass as Massachusetts.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:31:17pm |
re: #44 brookly red
interesting... what would they be then? west,west Texas?
Northern Sonora, Mexico.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:31:54pm |
re: #43 Kruk
Heh. I saw a wingnut on another site claiming President Obama's announcement on DOMA today was just a diversion from what was happening in Wisconsin.
Reminded me of one of Murphy's Laws of Combat: that enemy diversion you've been ignoring is really their main attack.
more like while everyone is watching Wisconsin let's see if we can...
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Kruk Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:32:40pm |
re: #42 jaunte
They're talking about seceding from Arizona so they can stay in the U.S.
Do you really need to secede from your state to stay in the US? If the state was seceding, couldn't you just say "Nah, we're good where we are, thanks"?
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jaunte Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:34:05pm |
re: #48 Kruk
It's just some pr; they don't like the political course of the state and this is what they came up with to make that known.
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Kruk Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:34:47pm |
re: #47 brookly red
more like while everyone is watching Wisconsin let's see if we can...
That's my point. What if Obama's just sitting in the Oval Office and going "Muahahahaha!" while everyone's focusing on Wisconsin?
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:34:59pm |
re: #46 Lidane
Northern Sonora, Mexico.
more likely we just give it to China as an interest payment... wish I could/
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:36:02pm |
re: #50 Kruk
That's my point. What if Obama's just sitting in the Oval Office and going "Muahahahaha!" while everyone's focusing on Wisconsin?
never waste a what?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:38:27pm |
re: #41 brookly red
did any one ever see the movie The Mouse That Roared?
No, never even heard about it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:39:21pm |
re: #42 jaunte
They're talking about seceding from Arizona so they can stay in the U.S.
would they be bigger than Delaware?
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Lidane Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:41:14pm |
Bit of historical nerdiness-- Pima County was acquired through the Gadsden Purchase, which was named for the grandson of the designer of the Gadsden flag that the Tea Party loves so much.
I don't know why I brought that up. I guess it's just funny to me, given all the teabagger insanity there lately and people now wanting to secede because of it.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:41:22pm |
re: #53 ggt
No, never even heard about it.
oh, it was Peter Sellers (I think) a tiny country declared war on the USA so they could be defeated and re-built Marshall plan like, but by a fluke they won...
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jaunte Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:42:07pm |
re: #54 ggt
Bigger by 9,186 vs. 2,489 sq mi. More copper mines, too.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:43:32pm |
re: #57 jaunte
Bigger by 9,186 vs. 2,489 sq mi. More copper mines, too.
can't wait till the market opens...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:43:48pm |
So they would form their own state and be a buffer between Arizona and Mexico. Build a wall around themselves? What?
Every survivalist, Marine wannabe-reject, and Whacko Pastor could move there and create a camouflaged bible utopia?
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jaunte Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:44:20pm |
re: #58 brookly red
Heading up: [Link: tfc-charts.w2d.com...]
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:44:28pm |
Hey all... Physicist don't give a shit... Ever since the first time CJ posted this, I've been giggling that when the need arises.
How is everyone - and yeah, I've looked at the threads.
Just to summarize...
Plutocrats and their bought and paid for GOP politicians want to destroy labor, end women's rights in general, and openly gut public education as well as destroy the environment and bring about an eco collapse as a backdrop to forming a theocracy to keep the ever less educated and more disenfranchised masses in line.
Seriously. We have an all out war on the working man, education, women and the very land in the name of the profits of a few. The abortion and anti-gay things are useful focuses for the deluded masses that the plutocrats use as wedge issues.
The upshot is of course, more people with less of a voice and less ability to express themselves and fewer options unless already born into a privileged class. I suppose outsourcing production to the third world is annoying the plutocrats so they are tirelessly working to create it here.
But...
Maybe physicist still does give a shit.
I just don't give a shit what wingnuts say r anyone else says who is too weak to just call this shit for what it is.
To all LGF "republicans":
OK OK I get that you are not a wingnut. I get that there is such a thing as a sane small government fiscal conservative who advocates a muscular foreign policy. I may not agree with you 100% but I can respect a lot of what you have to say.
However, for the love of G-d the GOP has not been fiscally conservative or small government for over 50 years. They spend more money on different pork than the Dems.
And for the love of G-d, even if there were those of you in that party who were serious and thoughtful - those types are certainly not in charge now or by any stretch of the imagination a majority. The GOP has turned full on insane. Please stop pretending it hasn't and stop defending the honor of the GOP. The GOP rejected you and any honor it had a decade ago.
To all defenders of the South:
I get, I really get that not all Southerners are racist. I get that. I get that there are all sorts of educated and kind hearted Southerners out there. I respect them. I do. You are not in charge. The rest of the South consistently reminds of of the sheet wearing, bible banging, difficulty with third grade science, reputation the South richly earned. For the love of G-d stop pretending there isn't a reason it is called the Southern Strategy, or that the Texas BOE is in Texas.
To all female defenders of rightwing womanhood:
These ladies are out there trying to strip you of all of your most basic rights by being spokes models for women's repression. OK ok I get the whole women get to dress how they want idea. I disagree. No one gets to dress how they want at all times and for the Love of G-d why would anyone defend women who are purposefully hurting other women?
Or do you think it is ok for them to pimp the idea that abortion = eugenics and all of their other colorful stuff?
I am sorry. Time to call it all what it is.
We do a good job of it here. Bad crazyness.
How about evil and hypocrisy?
And to us here, how about unwillingness to call it what it is when it hits too close to home?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:45:51pm |
re: #57 jaunte
Bigger by 9,186 vs. 2,489 sq mi. More copper mines, too.
China might take it then . . .
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:46:27pm |
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:47:11pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:48:16pm |
re: #61 LudwigVanQuixote
If I could up-ding that 1000 times I would. Make it a page, please?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:49:35pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:49:54pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:50:39pm |
re: #61 LudwigVanQuixote
*smooch*
am sorry. Time to call it all what it is.
We do a good job of it here. Bad crazyness.
And, some lazy people who do not want to take responsibility for their lives, finances, and the state of their country.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:51:26pm |
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SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:52:33pm |
neat video of the former head of the kkk and why he now rejects racism
sorry if everybody has seen this, but it's a first to me. great watch.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:53:57pm |
Okay, totally OT--
Husband 'rented' Prince of Persia from Netflix. I saw parts of it while he and the Princess were watching it.
Now I have a question: Is it possible to disqualify an actor from all future Oscars based on one movie?
Just wondering.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:54:21pm |
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:56:14pm |
re: #71 Floral Giraffe
BUY GOLD!
/// major sarcasm.
funny how everyone laughs at buying gold... yet it keeps going up?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:57:09pm |
GA Legislator Wants to Create The Uterus Police to Investigate Miscarriages
"They do this every session in the state legislature here in Georgia. Someone introduces a bill that would make abortion a criminal act. And, yes, this year is no exception. This year's legislation was introduced by House Republican Bobby Franklin ( [the same guy] who wants rape victims to be called "accusers"). Franklin is one of the more, ahem, colorful members of the legislature, bless his heart. According to him, SCOTUS had no right to rule on abortion and thus GA can do whatever it damned well pleases. Oh, and you'd better be able to prove your miscarriage was natural or face felony charges.Link to the bill. I wish I could cut and paste, but for some reason I can't.
Franklin's H1 basically says that GA has a duty to protect all innocent life from the moment of conception until natural death (yet he also proposed a bill last session that would forbid the CDC from requiring mandatory flu vaccinations in a pandemic; apparently preventing massive deaths from a pandemic don't come under the heading of protecting life). He announces that we all know life begins at conception, and that abortion is "prenatal homicide". Furthermore, he states that a fetus is (or should be) a person under GA law, and thus entitled to equal protection under the law (yet gay adults shouldn't be allowed to marry, according to Representative Franklin, under that same equal protection clause in the GA constitution).
But not content with ignoring federal law on t he matter, he proceeds to take on the SCOTUS and Roe v. Wade. Just because SCOTUS can't define when life begins, doesn't mean that GA can't,s since we all know it begins at conception. Because some idiot like him, who graduated from a damned Bible college and who isn't a lawyer, obviously knows more about constitutional law than the Supreme Court. According to he esteemed but not terribly smart Mr. Franklin, the federal government is only allowed to handle five crimes--and murder isn't one of them (yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds). Since abortion is murder of a "pre-natal human being" GA can and will criminalize it. "
I have no idea about this site, but this poster's rant is LGF worthy. emphasis mine.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:57:16pm |
re: #73 EmmmieG
Okay, totally OT--
Husband 'rented' Prince of Persia from Netflix. I saw parts of it while he and the Princess were watching it.
Now I have a question: Is it possible to disqualify an actor from all future Oscars based on one movie?
Just wondering.
do you own a huge film company?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:57:47pm |
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:58:32pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:59:03pm |
re: #75 brookly red
funny how everyone laughs at buying gold... yet it keeps going up?
Yeah amazing what the power of charlatans on rubes fears can do to produce a bubble.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 9:59:36pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:00:01pm |
re: #80 brookly red
then just lose Hollywood and call it even.
Husband checked it out.
Don't get me wrong--they have done good jobs with converting comic books to movies. Someday they might do the same with a video game.
This wasn't it.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:01:17pm |
re: #61 LudwigVanQuixote
I lift a shot of the whiskey in honor of this post. :angel:
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:01:29pm |
re: #80 brookly red
then just lose Hollywood and call it even.
Can we give it to China as an interest payment?
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:01:33pm |
re: #81 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah amazing what the power of charlatans on rubes fears can do to produce a bubble.
your right... I made Egypt, Libya & the national debt up just to inflate my holdings.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:01:57pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:02:05pm |
re: #75 brookly red
Have you looked at it's 10 year history?
It's being bought on the "end of the world" craziness.
When it drops, and it will, it will fall like a rock.
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Girth Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:02:17pm |
re: #73 EmmmieG
Okay, totally OT--
Husband 'rented' Prince of Persia from Netflix. I saw parts of it while he and the Princess were watching it.
Now I have a question: Is it possible to disqualify an actor from all future Oscars based on one movie?
Just wondering.
Sadly, no. As evidence I point to Sandra Bullock.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:02:36pm |
re: #85 ggt
Can we give it to China as an interest payment?
I would give to them as a Trojan Horse...
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:04:18pm |
re: #88 Floral Giraffe
Have you looked at it's 10 year history?
It's being bought on the "end of the world" craziness.
When it drops, and it will, it will fall like a rock.
yes & when all those green jobs kick in oil will be useless...
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Lidane Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:04:31pm |
re: #88 Floral Giraffe
Have you looked at it's 10 year history?
It's being bought on the "end of the world" craziness.
When it drops, and it will, it will fall like a rock.
And in the post-apocalyptic world that Beck and all those other charlatans are using to scare people into buying gold, basic needs like food and water will have a much higher value than gold.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:06:07pm |
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:06:38pm |
re: #92 Lidane
And in the post-apocalyptic world that Beck and all those other charlatans are using to scare people into buying gold, basic needs like food and water will have a much higher value than gold.
actually water providers are doing quite well... you may want to look into it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:06:52pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:07:19pm |
re: #94 brookly red
actually water providers are doing quite well... you may want to look into it.
So we should buy water, not gold?
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Lidane Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:07:49pm |
re: #94 brookly red
I know water providers are doing well. And they'll do far better than someone sitting on a stockpile of gold when the world goes to shit.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:08:28pm |
re: #75 brookly red
I hope you have diversified, and are not getting sucked into the "buy xyz" conspiracies. But, it's about personal responsibility, and choice. Your freedom to do as you choose.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:09:06pm |
re: #92 Lidane
And in the post-apocalyptic world that Beck and all those other charlatans are using to scare people into buying gold, basic needs like food and water will have a much higher value than gold.
Meh. I did make one purchase in the last year out of worry over where things might go - that was a .22 rifle. Lots of squirrels, rabbits & the like that can go into the stew pot if things really did get bad. A reliable semi-auto .22 is a damn good way to accomplish that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:09:46pm |
Ok, someone post a link, I can't make heads-or-tails from the Pages how to find it.
hangs head in shame
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:10:28pm |
re: #96 ggt
So we should buy water, not gold?
diversify... I would only buy gold if you have a lot of paper, but silver is under valued, water and all energy sector positions are good now. And oil futures are kinda hot now, but we don't know for how long.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:10:37pm |
re: #99 wlewisiii
Meh. I did make one purchase in the last year out of worry over where things might go - that was a .22 rifle. Lots of squirrels, rabbits & the like that can go into the stew pot if things really did get bad. A reliable semi-auto .22 is a damn good way to accomplish that.
ammo! gun t'aint no good without ammo.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:11:25pm |
re: #97 Lidane
I know water providers are doing well. And they'll do far better than someone sitting on a stockpile of gold when the world goes to shit.
true, but ask your self, why would the world go to shit?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:12:01pm |
re: #101 brookly red
diversify... I would only buy gold if you have a lot of paper, but silver is under valued, water and all energy sector positions are good now. And oil futures are kinda hot now, but we don't know for how long.
Growing-up and living in the Great Lakes Region and in the Ohio Valley, I never understood why people would buy water or dirt.
Then I went to Colorado.
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Girth Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:12:03pm |
re: #99 wlewisiii
Meh. I did make one purchase in the last year out of worry over where things might go - that was a .22 rifle. Lots of squirrels, rabbits & the like that can go into the stew pot if things really did get bad. A reliable semi-auto .22 is a damn good way to accomplish that.
And just all kinds of fun to target shoot with in the meantime.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:12:46pm |
re: #103 brookly red
true, but ask your self, why would the world go to shit?
World won't go to shit, humans and their civilization might. The world will be fine, World don't care.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:12:51pm |
re: #98 Floral Giraffe
I hope you have diversified, and are not getting sucked into the "buy xyz" conspiracies. But, it's about personal responsibility, and choice. Your freedom to do as you choose.
please I am quite diversified and all is good.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:13:42pm |
re: #105 Girth
And just all kinds of fun to target shoot with in the meantime.
gotta practice! Can't go wasting ammo when you might have a stew pot waiting!
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Lidane Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:14:26pm |
re: #103 brookly red
true, but ask your self, why would the world go to shit?
Because of human idiocy. That's why.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:14:54pm |
re: #109 Lidane
Because of human idiocy. That's why.
You could post this as a reply to a great many questions.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:15:10pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:15:52pm |
re: #100 ggt
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Here you go.
It's also at the top of the page, off to the right, under "recent pages".
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:16:12pm |
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Girth Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:16:16pm |
Oh, and make sure you're only eating freshly killed small game and not the zombie squirrels and zombie rabbits. They do not taste good.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:16:22pm |
re: #109 Lidane
Because of human idiocy. That's why.
so if you can see idiocy then you can see where the problems/opportunities are, yes?
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:16:28pm |
re: #107 brookly red
Your money, your decisions.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:16:36pm |
re: #112 Floral Giraffe
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Here you go.
It's also at the top of the page, off to the right, under "recent pages".
You're so sweet!
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:17:11pm |
re: #113 ggt
sumthin' wrong with investin' in ammo?
;)
not in my book... just wanted to make a point.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:17:20pm |
re: #102 ggt
ammo! gun t'aint no good without ammo.
I still have thousands (yes, thousand_s_) of rounds of .22 from my FiL.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:17:44pm |
re: #119 wlewisiii
I still have thousands (yes, thousand_s_) of rounds of .22 from my FiL.
.22 won't do much to a zombie. Just saying.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:19:28pm |
re: #120 EmmmieG
.22 won't do much to a zombie. Just saying.
You'd have to ask Varek about what would work.
I don't know if he would tell tho.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:19:47pm |
re: #116 Floral Giraffe
Your money, your decisions.
exactly, now please call off your money grubbing gubermint.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:22:06pm |
re: #120 EmmmieG
.22 won't do much to a zombie. Just saying.
works just fine on a crack head, whats the difference?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:22:12pm |
re: #120 EmmmieG
.22 won't do much to a zombie. Just saying.
Sheesh everyone knows the best weapons in case of zombie 'pockylypse are:
1. M-2 heavy machine gun with explosive ammo
2. 12 gauge shotty
3. Longsword or katana (does not run out of ammo)
4. "re-gifted" fruitcake.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:22:12pm |
re: #122 brookly red
It's not MY government. It's OUR government.
Majority rules, people vote.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:22:29pm |
re: #121 ggt
see my 124
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:22:30pm |
The more I think about it, I think Pima County should be called on the bluff.
Let them secede.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:22:52pm |
re: #120 EmmmieG
.22 won't do much to a zombie. Just saying.
Heh. If I should actually meet a zombie, a 158 gr. SWCHP .38 Special +P will more than suffice. This is also known as the FBI load. It's enough. ;)
But a .22? It's much more important. I can put food on the table with it.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:23:51pm |
re: #124 LudwigVanQuixote
Sheesh everyone knows the best weapons in case of zombie 'pockylypse are:
1. M-2 heavy machine gun with explosive ammo
2. 12 gauge shotty
3. Longsword or katana (does not run out of ammo)
4. "re-gifted" fruitcake.
/fruitcake? you would use a fruit cake as a weapon ,and have the nerve to bitch about Qudaffi?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:24:37pm |
re: #128 wlewisiii
Heh. If I should actually meet a zombie, a 158 gr. SWCHP .38 Special +P will more than suffice. This is also known as the FBI load. It's enough. ;)
But a .22? It's much more important. I can put food on the table with it.
umm you can with the .50 cal or 20 mike mike too ... you just have to spend a lot of time collecting the food after...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:24:53pm |
re: #124 LudwigVanQuixote
Sheesh everyone knows the best weapons in case of zombie 'pockylypse are:
1. M-2 heavy machine gun with explosive ammo
2. 12 gauge shotty
3. Longsword or katana (does not run out of ammo)
4. "re-gifted" fruitcake.
how many times does the fruitcake have to be re-gifted?
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:25:01pm |
re: #128 wlewisiii
Heh. If I should actually meet a zombie, a 158 gr. SWCHP .38 Special +P will more than suffice. This is also known as the FBI load. It's enough. ;)
But a .22? It's much more important. I can put food on the table with it.
zombie loaf ain't bad... it has that aged smoke house flavor.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:25:57pm |
re: #125 Floral Giraffe
It's not MY government. It's OUR government.
Majority rules, people vote.
Actually, with the way things are set-up, the majority doesn't not always rule. Founding Fathers didn't want the majority trampling the minority.
That is why (iirc) we are a Republic and not a Democracy.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:25:59pm |
re: #131 ggt
how many times does the fruitcake have to be re-gifted?
More importantly, can it be commercial, or does it have to be made by someone's great aunt?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:25:59pm |
re: #129 brookly red
/fruitcake? you would use a fruit cake as a weapon ,and have the nerve to bitch about Qudaffi?
Only against the undead.... Coincidently, Cheney literally has no heart these days. Even the GOP vampires are out in the open.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:27:00pm |
re: #132 brookly red
zombie loaf ain't bad... it has that aged smoke house flavor.
If you are vulture or other carrion eating creature!
yuk!!!!!
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:27:07pm |
re: #125 Floral Giraffe
It's not MY government. It's OUR government.
Majority rules, people vote.
exactly, so Wisconsin is not all that bad after all.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:27:12pm |
in case of zombies im making friends with the honey badger
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:27:43pm |
re: #135 EmmmieG
More importantly, can it be commercial, or does it have to be made by someone's great aunt?
ooh, I didn't think about that.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:28:03pm |
re: #136 LudwigVanQuixote
Only against the undead... Coincidently, Cheney literally has no heart these days. Even the GOP vampires are out in the open.
technically is not a fruit cake undead?
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Girth Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:28:25pm |
re: #124 LudwigVanQuixote
Sheesh everyone knows the best weapons in case of zombie 'pockylypse are:
1. M-2 heavy machine gun with explosive ammo
2. 12 gauge shotty
3. Longsword or katana (does not run out of ammo)
4. "re-gifted" fruitcake.
Avoid vinyl LPs. They have been tested and found lacking.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:28:27pm |
re: #139 SpaceJesus
in case of zombies im making friends with the honey badger
Honey Badger wouldn't make friends with nothin'. He don't give a shit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:28:27pm |
re: #40 ggt
I don't get it. A county? seceding? WTF?
I can see a state, but a county?
Have they thought this thru or is it a bluff? I know, it's a bluff. Perhaps someone should let them and see how it goes for them.
I think they're just in a mood.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:29:20pm |
re: #127 ggt
The more I think about it, I think Pima County should be called on the bluff.
Let them secede.
I think some people are missing the point of the Pima County "secession" talk...from my understanding, it's people that are countering the wingnut secession crowd, saying that they (Pima County) want to be a part of the US.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:29:40pm |
re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist
I think they're just in a mood.
Did you see my last post on the last thread?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:29:46pm |
re: #56 brookly red
oh, it was Peter Sellers (I think) a tiny country declared war on the USA so they could be defeated and re-built Marshall plan like, but by a fluke they won...
The Duchy of Grand Fenwick. Peter Sellers, among many other roles, plays the leader of their very small, chainmail clad, longbow-toting army.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:30:01pm |
re: #145 talon_262
I think some people are missing the point of the Pima County "secession" talk...from my understanding, it's people that are countering the wingnut secession crowd, saying that they (Pima County) want to be a part of the US.
details . . .
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:30:58pm |
re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist
The Duchy of Grand Fenwick. Peter Sellers, among many other roles, plays the leader of their very small, chainmail clad, longbow-toting army.
yup! that's the one
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:31:31pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:31:58pm |
re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote
umm you can with the .50 cal or 20 mike mike too ... you just have to spend a lot of time collecting the food after...
When I was stationed in Germany in 83-84, my armor bn went to do gunnery exercises at the gunnery range at Grafenwoehr. We were doing the night tables when all of a sudden the thermal sights lit up with about a dozen wild boars running across the range. A 105mm AP round will turn a pig inside out, but the .50 in the cupola of an M-60A3 will kill it quick with plenty of meat left over. The German government was not happy but we had very fresh pork for breakfast the next morning.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:32:51pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:34:15pm |
Well folks, honey badger and all, it's been fun tonite.
Have a great morning!
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:34:47pm |
re: #143 ggt
Honey Badger wouldn't make friends with nothin'. He don't give a shit.
mating season must be interesting...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:35:56pm |
re: #151 wlewisiii
When I was stationed in Germany in 83-84, my armor bn went to do gunnery exercises at the gunnery range at Grafenwoehr. We were doing the night tables when all of a sudden the thermal sights lit up with about a dozen wild boars running across the range. A 105mm AP round will turn a pig inside out, but the .50 in the cupola of an M-60A3 will kill it quick with plenty of meat left over. The German government was not happy but we had very fresh pork for breakfast the next morning.
well if wild boars are going to run in front of soldiers on a firing range, what did they expect?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:36:34pm |
re: #149 brookly red
yup! that's the one
IIRC, their economy is based on a wine called Pinot Grand Fenwick. They hit a crisis when a California winery produces a popular knockoff. Then they decide to declare war on the United States, and lose, because Germany rebuilt their economy that way. They send an elaborate declaration of war to DC, but it's mistaken for a gag.
I can't recall all the details after that, but I think they end up as a nuclear power somehow. I do remember that since they have no navy, their invasion force has to buy tickets on a ship to get to New York.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:37:45pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
IIRC, their economy is based on a wine called Pinot Grand Fenwick. They hit a crisis when a California winery produces a popular knockoff. Then they decide to declare war on the United States, and lose, because Germany rebuilt their economy that way. They send an elaborate declaration of war to DC, but it's mistaken for a gag.
I can't recall all the details after that, but I think they end up as a nuclear power somehow. I do remember that since they have no navy, their invasion force has to buy tickets on a ship to get to New York.
they invented the "Q" bomb... remember?
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:42:33pm |
re: #155 LudwigVanQuixote
well if wild boars are going to run in front of soldiers on a firing range, what did they expect?
By the Status of Forces treaty between the US & the FRG, we were legally required to cease fire. You can imagine how well that worked with dozens of young guys at the triggers of very powerful weapons :D The US, by that treaty, paid nearly $5000 USD per boar to the local government but, honestly, we didn't care. Too tasty ;)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:46:52pm |
re: #159 wlewisiii
By the Status of Forces treaty between the US & the FRG, we were legally required to cease fire. You can imagine how well that worked with dozens of young guys at the triggers of very powerful weapons :D The US, by that treaty, paid nearly $5000 USD per boar to the local government but, honestly, we didn't care. Too tasty ;)
LOL.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:49:05pm |
re: #128 wlewisiii
Heh. If I should actually meet a zombie, a 158 gr. SWCHP .38 Special +P will more than suffice. This is also known as the FBI load. It's enough. ;)
But a .22? It's much more important. I can put food on the table with it.
I know you already bought a semi auto rifle, but just so's you know, an Aguila Sniper Sub Sonic round coming out of a lever action like the Marlin 39-A is incredibly quiet, and at 60 grains they retain more energy down field than any other round. Fantastic small game round. Problem is that while they're nominally .22 LR, they're built using a short case with a longer bullet and don't usually feed well in semi-autos.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:53:03pm |
re: #160 LudwigVanQuixote
Sent you a mail. Sir.
Nerd nephew is getting into some great schools!
Very proud of him.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:53:40pm |
re: #161 goddamnedfrank
I know you already bought a semi auto rifle, but just so's you know, an Aguila Sniper Sub Sonic round coming out of a lever action like the Marlin 39-A is incredibly quiet, and at 60 grains they retain more energy down field than any other round. Fantastic small game round. Problem is that while they're nominally .22 LR, they're built using a short case with a longer bullet and don't usually feed well in semi-autos.
I've been considering a bolt action, iron sighted .22 for my 9 year old son's first firearm. That ammo would be good to start him with; thank you.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:53:48pm |
re: #161 goddamnedfrank
Really, the knowledge base on LGF is kinda scary, but useful!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Feb 23, 2011 11:00:49pm |
Goodnight, all.
Sleep well, and if you can't be nice, be REALLY mean!
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freetoken Wed, Feb 23, 2011 11:02:20pm |
Hellhole in the making:
Tripoli: a city in the shadow of death
Up to 15,000 men, women and children besieged Tripoli's international airport last night, shouting and screaming for seats on the few airliners still prepared to fly to Muammar Gaddafi's rump state, paying Libyan police bribe after bribe to reach the ticket desks in a rain-soaked mob of hungry, desperate families. Many were trampled as Libyan security men savagely beat those who pushed their way to the front.Among them were Gaddafi's fellow Arabs, thousands of them Egyptians, some of whom had been living at the airport for two days without food or sanitation. The place stank of faeces and urine and fear. Yet a 45-minute visit into the city for a new airline ticket to another destination is the only chance to see Gaddafi's capital if you are a "dog" of the international press.
[...]
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latitude51 Wed, Feb 23, 2011 11:06:53pm |
re: #163 wlewisiii
Get him a Savage Cub. Good little rifle. And make him use the little lock that comes with it.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Feb 23, 2011 11:07:47pm |
re: #163 wlewisiii
I've been considering a bolt action, iron sighted .22 for my 9 year old son's first firearm. That ammo would be good to start him with; thank you.
I found the Aguila rounds few years ago, from a long barrel they're about as loud as an average air rifle, and much quieter than CCI Green Tag. The other wicked selling point for the Marlin 39-A in your average shenanigan apocalypse hunting scenario is that it's a takedown rifle, disassembles using a coin, so you can stash it in a backpack. What can I say, it was my first gun and it's still my favorite.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 23, 2011 11:11:10pm |
re: #167 latitude51
Get him a Savage Cub. Good little rifle. And make him use the little lock that comes with it.
Hmm, don't know that one (googles) Oh, that's real possible. Thank you for the pointer.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 23, 2011 11:19:41pm |
Oy, only 5 hour till I have to get up and get my son on the school bus.
G'night all.
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2senseplain Wed, Feb 23, 2011 11:28:25pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
OT relating to your question on the last thread: The stupid, squeaky plastic hammers are called "tipesh"(I assume its a pun on the word for hammer, "patesh" but I couldn't get any sort of explanation about the reason for the practice. I'm not entirely sure if there is one.)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Feb 23, 2011 11:30:53pm |
Gah Brookly was in his typical roll I see.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 23, 2011 11:32:41pm |
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EdDantes Thu, Feb 24, 2011 1:51:39am |
re: #176 freetoken
John, from Schindler's List.
Thank you. That fits my theory the great composers of the modern era write movie scores (John Williams, Henry Mancini, Muarice Jarre.,et al.)
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freetoken Thu, Feb 24, 2011 1:58:02am |
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EdDantes Thu, Feb 24, 2011 2:05:17am |
re: #178 freetoken
One of the first cd's I bought in the 80's was Ennios, The Mission, score.
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 3:23:18am |
Morning all, I take it everyone saw that Cox, the Indiana AG employee, was fired. Here's the local paper story:
Indiana attorney general fires deputy over 'live ammunition' tweets aimed at Wisconsin protestors
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
"Civility and courtesy toward all members of the public are very important to the Indiana Attorney General's office. We respect individual's First Amendment right to express their personal views on private online forums, but as public servants we are held by the public to a higher standard, and we should strive for civility," the office said in a statement.
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 3:26:04am |
I was right about the Daniels statement too:
Daniels vows special sessions until New Year unless Dems play ball
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
He also clarified his remarks to reporters made Tuesday, in which he had said the activities of the past few days were an acceptable part of the process. Daniels said he was talking about the thousands of labor union members who have come to the Statehouse to protest, and not the Democrats’ walkout.
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Kruk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 3:38:23am |
Anyone seen this? High Court judge rules Assange must be extradited to Sweden to face charges.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 4:16:54am |
Jay Carney: Mouthpiece for an inscrutable White House
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
ABC's Jake Tapper asked if Carney could "articulate a policy that the Obama administration has for this sweeping wave of protests."Carney offered a few bromides about "the universal rights of the citizens" and such.
Tapper pointed out that these are principles, not policies. "Is it fair to call this policy, as it's formulated, ad hoc or ad libbed?" Tapper inquired.
The press secretary did not think this would be fair -- but he had difficulty convincing the press corps.
"If there is a clear set of principles, why has the president chosen to not enunciate them for several days now?" asked CNN's Ed Henry.
"So it's fair to say we are in the midst of, sort of, changing, reworking our Middle East policy?" asked NBC's Chuck Todd.
Carney retreated to more talk about timeless principles. And that's about the best he can do -- until the president devises a policy for him to talk about
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 4:20:55am |
Really great post by E.D. Kain over at the League:
[Link: ordinary-gentlemen.com...]
I don’t agree with Andrew Sullivan on the issue of public sector unions at all but at least this post is a good deal more measured than many of his recent efforts. It’s also revealing of a certain mindset that I think a lot of Americans share. I will try to explain how I see the situation. Here are the talking points you hear from the right, in no particular order:
The government is out of money, and we need to cut spending or future generations will suffer.
Austerity should be for everyone, not just private-sector workers.
We cannot raise taxes – even on the rich despite their inordinate wealth and not on corporations despite their extraordinary return to profitability during the jobless recovery.
Public-sector workers have unsustainable wages and benefits. They need to be brought in line with the rest of us by whatever means necessary.
Union-busting is just democracy in action. Protesting is ridiculous. The Republicans won, deal with it.
Passing health-care legislation is tyranny. Tea-party protests are democracy in action. Democrats won, but it’s our duty to obstruct them at every turn.
So this hodge-podge of talking points spins an oddly appealing yarn for many Americans. We must all pull together to sacrifice – but not by raising revenue or taxing those who can afford to be taxed, but rather by laying off public sector workers (since private-sector workers have already been laid off) and cutting back their benefits (since private-sector workers had to have their wages and benefits cut) and busting their unions (because that’s what we did to the private sector). The government is out of money, so we must all tighten our belts. Or, rather, those Americans who depend on public services must tighten their belts. The fabulously rich get a free lunch and are sent on their merry way, lugging along piles of cash and a much more productive workforce thanks to the ever-looming threat of double-digit unemployment.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 24, 2011 4:30:15am |
I've been in a training class all week. I feel dumb. Miss you guys. See you soon.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 4:35:56am |
Guys I just saw something very interesting...
[Link: community.livejournal.com...]
If this is true... well so much for Walker's claims that he's trying to help get the state budget out of the red don't you agree?
He'd be giving up more federal money than he'd save given the pay cuts the unions would have to go through!
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 4:38:35am |
General Used ‘Psy-Ops’ on Senators
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
according to Rolling Stone’s Michael Hastings—the reporter whose Stanley McChrystal profile led to the general’s resignation. Hastings says another U.S. commander, Lt. Gen. William Caldwell, directed a psy-ops unit in Afghanistan to target visiting senators and other politicians from the U.S. rather than Taliban fighters. Federal law prohibits this—Americans are protected against propaganda—but Caldwell nevertheless ordered the four-man team to target visitors like Lieberman John McCain, Jack Reed, and Al Franken, seeking to manipulate them into further supporting the war effort. "We called it Operation Fourth Star," says Lt. Colonel Michael Holmes, who led the unit and was eventually reprimanded for bucking orders. "Caldwell seemed far more focused on the Americans and the funding stream than he was on the Afghans. We were there to teach and train the Afghans. But for the first four months it was all about the U.S. Later he even started talking about targeting the NATO populations."
Original story:
[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 4:56:14am |
re: #187 Obdicut
Amazing quote, especially
"Union-busting is just democracy in action. Protesting is ridiculous. The Republicans won, deal with it.
Passing health-care legislation is tyranny. Tea-party protests are democracy in action. Democrats won, but it’s our duty to obstruct them at every turn."
Just swap "union-busting" forr "passing health-care legislation" and "Republicans" for "Democrats" and you see how ideologically hide-bound these areguments are.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:01:40am |
re: #191 ralphieboy
The thing is, I don't think it was 'ridiculous' for people to protest health care. I think most did so because they believed things to be false about it, but I think the protests themselves were fine. Most people protesting health care reform, when polled on the individual provisions inside the health care reform, actually supported it. The huge failure there on the part of the Democrats was communication, and in way, they deserved to be protested for that.
I don't think the arguments are ideologically hide-bound. I think that there is a lack of reality on the side of those making the arguments cited by Kain above, and that he does a very good job of showing the way that we've come to this state of affairs.
By the way, Kain used to identify as a conservative, but in light of recent events in the US, has changed. He's an interesting dude, and I recommend reading his stuff.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:02:07am |
badgers, badgers, badgers, mushrooms.............
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:07:29am |
re: #192 Obdicut
Then it is also fine to protest union-busting.
Especially as the unions have conceeded all the budget points, it is now an ideological matter of depriving them of their right to collective bargaining.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:10:14am |
re: #194 ralphieboy
Then it is also fine to protest union-busting.
Well, yes, I agree.
I'm really not sure what we're arguing about here. My point is that the narrative in the US has somehow turned into an attack on the working and middle class exclusively. The article i posted does a good job of showing that, that the 'class warfare' argument has basically gotten turned on its head.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:12:33am |
Hey, my login works again. I thought I was history for good.
Good morning lizards!
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lazardo Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:14:00am |
re: #196 NJDhockeyfan
Hey, my login works again. I thought I was history for good.
Good morning lizards!
CURSES- ohgoodmorning (:
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:14:03am |
re: #196 NJDhockeyfan
Hey, my login works again. I thought I was history for good.
Good morning lizards!
Great to see you back! Glad everything got sorted.
It's one of those things, we don't always agree but I like being able to 'disagree' with you. :)
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:14:10am |
re: #196 NJDhockeyfan
Welcome back. Glad you're still with us.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:17:50am |
re: #196 NJDhockeyfan
Hey, my login works again. I thought I was history for good.
Good morning lizards!
You were a baaadddd boy.
:P
:)
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:18:25am |
Utterly sucky commute this morning, but tomorrow it's going to suck even more. Everybody complaining that their neighborhoods aren't getting plowed in a timely manner.
I grew up in Detroit and I remember the snowplows coming through the residential streets after every snowfall. And not only that, but they had these cute little sidewalk sweepers that plowed the sidewalks. Little things looked like two snowplows got married and that was their snowplow baby.
This was in DETROIT fergawdsakes. Now they don't even bother to plow the major freeways.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:20:27am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:20:48am |
re: #201 Alouette
Utterly sucky commute this morning, but tomorrow it's going to suck even more. Everybody complaining that their neighborhoods aren't getting plowed in a timely manner.
I grew up in Detroit and I remember the snowplows coming through the residential streets after every snowfall. And not only that, but they had these cute little sidewalk sweepers that plowed the sidewalks. Little things looked like two snowplows got married and that was their snowplow baby.
This was in DETROIT fergawdsakes. Now they don't even bother to plow the major freeways.
Where I live, plowing the roads makes them worse.
Go figure.
:)
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:21:34am |
Ugh why is it so hard for people to understand that "capitalism" isn't defined as something that makes a profit but is defined by who or what controls the profit and the means to make the profit.
The denseness elsewhere is driving me nuts.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:22:40am |
re: #203 Varek Raith
Where I live, plowing the roads makes them worse.
Go figure.
:)
Plowing can sometimes rip up road repairs or open potholes, so yeah.
This summer they are going to shut down the freeway for major repair and I will have to commute using the surface roads. I can hardly wait.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:23:39am |
re: #205 Alouette
Plowing can sometimes rip up road repairs or open potholes, so yeah.
This summer they are going to shut down the freeway for major repair and I will have to commute using the surface roads. I can hardly wait.
Jetpack.
Vrooom!
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:24:02am |
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:25:50am |
re: #206 Varek Raith
Jetpack.
Vrooom!
Hoverboard! Car plane!
We were supposed to have this stuff by now, according to all the cartoons I saw as a kid.
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:26:33am |
I see the ideological conflict going on as this: conservatives are trying to sell the middle class on the notion that they are all independent businesspeople, a nation of Joe the Plumbers. A throwback to the days of the Jeffersonian ideal of the "yeoman farmer".
And they want to convince us that the business interests of small businesses are identical with those of large corporations.
Which they are not to any degree. Small family business are not corporations, their interests lie in raising and providing for their children and immediate family memebers, not for their stockholders and management.
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lazardo Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:28:09am |
re: #209 ralphieboy
Of course that also raises the issue of the small companies that want to become big.
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:30:05am |
re: #205 Alouette
Plowing can sometimes rip up road repairs or open potholes, so yeah.
This summer they are going to shut down the freeway for major repair and I will have to commute using the surface roads. I can hardly wait.
About 10 years ago I visited Montreal at the end of June.
I was in cab that was negotiating a couple of road repair crews and what seemeds like 10,000 rubber orange cones and barrels in all sizes. Apologetic for the delays, my cabbie turned around to me and said with a pronounced French accent, "It is zee suhMER. Zat means 'Le Festival de Construction'.
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lazardo Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:30:11am |
re: #208 Alouette
Hoverboard! Car plane!
We were supposed to have this stuff by now, according to all the cartoons I saw as a kid.
I can't get into my industrial design career at a faster pace, you know! q:
On the other hand, there is a pervading argument about "why would you want to blow money on coming up with those super-futuristic fantasies when there are millions of people still stuck in medieval serfdom."
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:33:04am |
re: #212 lazardo
I can't get into my industrial design career at a faster pace, you know! q:
On the other hand, there is a pervading argument about "why would you want to blow money on coming up with those super-futuristic fantasies when there are millions of people still stuck in medieval serfdom."
Shut up and give me my flying car!!!!
/
:)
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:34:06am |
RE: the presidents decision not to defend DOMA. I have the same concerns that Megan McArdle raises.
The Imperial Presidency
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]
Maybe it was always thus, but it seems to me that both parties are increasingly resorting to procedural tricks rather than politics, and it worries me. Maybe this means that our political system is broken, maybe it means that the parties are getting increasingly ruthless--or maybe I'm overestimating the extent of the change. But as I say, it worries me. I think it would be disastrous on a whole lot of levels if the GOP managed to undo ObamaCare with this sort of thing. But if the precedent stands, I think you can expect them to try it the next time they have the presidency.
I think she's right. What happens if HCR is still going through the courts and a Repub pres takes over and decides to use the same tactic and just declines to fight lawsuits. Even though I'm against both DOMA and HCR, I don't know if this is an appropriate tactic to make changes in current law. OTOH, I found these 2 interesting pieces in the Volokh comment thread:
PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY TO DECLINE TO EXECUTE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL STATUTES - 1994
[Link: www.justice.gov...]
and....
Defending Congress - 2001
[Link: scholarship.law.georgetown.edu...]
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:35:24am |
re: #210 lazardo
Of course that also raises the issue of the small companies that want to become big.
That is what the stock market is supposed to be there for: to bring capital together with those who have use for it. But our stock market was too wrapped up in financially unsound practices to do its job of aiding companies who want to expand.
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:38:01am |
Eleven Thousand Migrants Were Kidnapped in Mexico Last Year
[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]
Actually, it was 11,000 in just 6 months.
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:38:29am |
re: #214 RogueOne
RE: the presidents decision not to defend DOMA. I have the same concerns that Megan McArdle raises.
The Imperial Presidency
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]I think she's right. What happens if HCR is still going through the courts and a Repub pres takes over and decides to use the same tactic and just declines to fight lawsuits. Even though I'm against both DOMA and HCR, I don't know if this is an appropriate tactic to make changes in current law. OTOH, I found these 2 interesting pieces in the Volokh comment thread:
PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY TO DECLINE TO EXECUTE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL STATUTES - 1994
[Link: www.justice.gov...]and...
Defending Congress - 2001
[Link: scholarship.law.georgetown.edu...]
Mcardle makes a good point.
While I'm favor of gay marriage the 'how we get there' is important.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:39:56am |
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:41:19am |
re: #217 researchok
Mcardle makes a good point.
While I'm favor of gay marriage the 'how we get there' is important.
That was my argument during the DADT debates. It needed to be overturned but it needed to be done (imo) in the correct manner, with congress stepping up and getting it done not the courts.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:42:44am |
re: #219 RogueOne
It's part of the function of courts to overturn unconstitutional laws.
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:43:34am |
re: #220 Obdicut
It's part of the function of courts to overturn unconstitutional laws.
Unless it was a Red Sate law, in which case it is "judicial activism" and "legislating from the bench".
/
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:44:04am |
re: #218 Obdicut
This isn't new.
[Link: www.law.com...]
It goes back for some time. Some of the cases mentioned in that article come from the first 1994 link I provided.
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:44:36am |
re: #220 Obdicut
It's part of the function of courts to overturn unconstitutional laws.
The constitution is clear about who gets to set the rules for the military.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:45:24am |
re: #223 RogueOne
The constitution is clear about who gets to set the rules for the military.
And it's also quite clear that courts get to overturn laws when they're unconstitutional.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:50:36am |
re: #76 ggt
GA Legislator Wants to Create The Uterus Police to Investigate Miscarriages
I have no idea about this site, but this poster's rant is LGF worthy. emphasis mine.
The Vag Squad?
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:52:54am |
re: #224 Obdicut
Isn't it hard to argue that when the constitution clearly states who gets to set the rules? The constitution doesn't say congress gets to make the rules regarding military service "with approval of the courts". I believe there was only 1 judge out of the multitude that ruled/refused to take the cases regarding DADT that agreed with your contention.
Do you not believe congress has the ability to constrain troops constitutional rights while in uniform?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 5:57:10am |
re: #227 RogueOne
Isn't it hard to argue that when the constitution clearly states who gets to set the rules?
Nope. I mean, strictly speaking, the Constitution doesn't say that those rules can violate anything in the bill of rights. So if you're trying to argue from stark originalism, you have your argument completely backwards.
Do you not believe congress has the ability to constrain troops constitutional rights while in uniform?
Yes. Equally. Not constraining one group of troops, like blacks or gays, differently than the rest.
This is not a difficult concept.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:08:41am |
Either the Saudis step in or oil prices are going to the moon (and other predictions)
Just yesterday I was listening to the chief economist at the Centre for Global Energy Studies explain calmly why the oil price was unlikely to hit $150 a barrel. Today, it has taken a huge jump in that direction, peaking at more than $119.
Analysts are scrambling to update their forecasts.
Shit. Both me and my wife drive a lot for our jobs. How high will gasoline prices go?
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darthstar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:10:23am |
re: #230 NJDhockeyfan
Either the Saudis step in or oil prices are going to the moon (and other predictions)
Shit. Both me and my wife drive a lot for our jobs. How high will gasoline prices go?
Just stop feeding the kids and you'll be fine.
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garhighway Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:11:08am |
re: #227 RogueOne
Isn't it hard to argue that when the constitution clearly states who gets to set the rules? The constitution doesn't say congress gets to make the rules regarding military service "with approval of the courts". I believe there was only 1 judge out of the multitude that ruled/refused to take the cases regarding DADT that agreed with your contention.
Do you not believe congress has the ability to constrain troops constitutional rights while in uniform?
Marbury v Madison is the foundation of the principle of judicial review.
It is the bedrock case of American constitutional jurisprudence.
The Supreme Court gets the last word on the Constitutionality of anything the Federal Government does: executive or legislative branch.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:11:29am |
re: #231 darthstar
Just stop feeding the kids and you'll be fine.
Fuck that.
Invade...
Someone.
Preferably with oil.
///
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:12:49am |
re: #233 Varek Raith
Fuck that.
Invade...
Someone.
Preferably with oil.
///
No, petroleum-based lubricants degrade latex condoms...
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:14:31am |
re: #233 Varek Raith
Fuck that.
Invade...
Someone.
Preferably with oil.
///
We did that already. We attacked Iraq to steal their oil, remember?
//
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:15:33am |
re: #228 Obdicut
Yes. Equally. Not constraining one group of troops, like blacks or gays, differently than the rest.This is not a difficult concept.
No it isn't. You should keep in mind the military was desegregated thanks to a decision by the CiC, which was in accordance with the constitution, and not the courts. IMO, These issues were intentionally left in the hands of congress, the political realm, where they were meant to be kept. The people, through their representatives, get to decide the role of the military and it's rules regarding service.
As an ironic kicker, this is basically the same argument this admins DOJ took when fighting the DADT ruling.
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lazardo Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:15:37am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
We did that already. We attacked Iraq to steal their oil, remember?
//
We also invaded Haiti to steal...wait...what is there to steal from Haiti again?
/
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:17:04am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
We did that already. We attacked Iraq to steal their oil, remember?
//
WE NEED MOAR!!!
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:17:06am |
re: #237 lazardo
We also invaded Haiti to steal...wait...what is there to steal from Haiti again?
/
Their body parts.
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:18:25am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:19:27am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:20:55am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:24:47am |
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:25:23am |
I'm guessing that it was quite silly of me to just drink three cups of coffee when my nerves were already going nuts.
Vibrating...even more now. LOL
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:27:08am |
re: #245 Jadespring
I'm guessing that it was quite silly of me to just drink three cups of coffee when my nerves were already going nuts.
Vibrating...even more now. LOL
I had a coffee-free afternoon yesterday even though it meant I got nearly nothing done...it was unavoidable to prevent any further damage to my nervous/gastrointestinal/cardiovascular systems.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:27:37am |
Was that video entertainment about the badger or the commentator?
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:29:57am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
We did that already. We attacked Iraq to steal their oil, remember?
//
Not that I want to get involved in family tiffs, but did I or did I not see that you were blocked or something yesterday?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:31:46am |
re: #248 Naso Tang
Not that I want to get involved in family tiffs, but did I or did I not see that you were blocked or something yesterday?
I'm back now. Disappointed?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:32:12am |
Q'Daffy is talking on tv again
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:32:51am |
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:33:10am |
re: #246 ralphieboy
I had a coffee-free afternoon yesterday even though it meant I got nearly nothing done...it was unavoidable to prevent any further damage to my nervous/gastrointestinal/cardiovascular systems.
I'm just going to have to harness the vibrations I think. :)
I'm teaching a cooking class today. First time I've taught something like this so my nerves are nerving. :) I've got everything done and ready to go. Now I just want to leave and get on with it because I'm in overthink and double questioning mode. I'm trying to distract myself with other things. :)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:33:29am |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
Q'Daffy is talking on tv again
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]
...blah...blah...blah...protesters on drugs...blah blah....the West is responsible...blah blah blah...
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:33:32am |
re: #236 RogueOne
IMO, These issues were intentionally left in the hands of congress, the political realm, where they were meant to be kept.
Just to be clear, you are saying that members of the military should enjoy absolutely no Constitutional rights whatsoever, except those granted to them by the legislature?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:33:46am |
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:34:14am |
re: #196 NJDhockeyfan
Hey, my login works again. I thought I was history for good.
Good morning lizards!
Welcome back, glad to have you, we don't get along/agree much but like most sports politics isn't any fun without an opponent to play against...
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:34:21am |
re: #252 Jadespring
Remember that people staring at you doesn't mean they're not getting you or that they're bored. Most people have a pretty vacant look on their faces when they're listening to something and attempting to retain the information.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:34:48am |
re: #252 Jadespring
I'm just going to have to harness the vibrations I think. :)
I'm teaching a cooking class today. First time I've taught something like this so my nerves are nerving. :) I've got everything done and ready to go. Now I just want to leave and get on with it because I'm in overthink and double questioning mode. I'm trying to distract myself with other things. :)
Good luck, you'll be fine.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:34:52am |
re: #249 NJDhockeyfan
Good to see you NJD
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:35:22am |
re: #251 Naso Tang
Not at all. It was one of those WTF moments.
LOL...I thought the same thing when my login worked this morning.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:35:23am |
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garhighway Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:35:35am |
re: #217 researchok
Mcardle makes a good point.
While I'm favor of gay marriage the 'how we get there' is important.
This comes down to a fairly technical judgment about the constitutionality of DOMA. If the law is unconstitutional on its face, then Obama did the right thing, as the administration is under no duty to defend such a statute. I am not up on the analysis of DOMA, but my sense was that is was probably unconstitutional. That makes this a "gray area" sort of call, and with such a call, the value in seeing that each administration vigorously defends the laws passed by prior ones matters.
So while I hate DOMA, I remain uncomfortable with this decision.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:36:19am |
re: #214 RogueOne
RE: the presidents decision not to defend DOMA. I have the same concerns that Megan McArdle raises.
The Imperial Presidency
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]I think she's right. What happens if HCR is still going through the courts and a Repub pres takes over and decides to use the same tactic and just declines to fight lawsuits. Even though I'm against both DOMA and HCR, I don't know if this is an appropriate tactic to make changes in current law. OTOH, I found these 2 interesting pieces in the Volokh comment thread:
PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY TO DECLINE TO EXECUTE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL STATUTES - 1994
[Link: www.justice.gov...]and...
Defending Congress - 2001
[Link: scholarship.law.georgetown.edu...]
Then the democrats can hire a lawyer to defend it.
The Governor of California declined to defend prop 8 and I don't remember anyone throwing a shit fit about that...
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:36:55am |
re: #256 jamesfirecat
Welcome back, glad to have you, we don't get along/agree much but like most sports politics isn't any fun without an opponent to play against...
It would be boring if everyone agreed 100% of the time. I like a good debate.
:)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:37:56am |
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:38:24am |
DOMA is not legislation from this White House - this White House is not under any obligation to send it's press secretary out and say "this is fantanstic legislation that we are fully behind".
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:39:09am |
re: #264 NJDhockeyfan
I like a good debate.
:)
It's a shame you're stuck with the likes of us then ;-)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:39:43am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:40:34am |
re: #267 wozzablog
It's a shame you're stuck with the likes of us then ;-)
It's all I got. Is there any other blog worthy?
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McSpiff Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:41:41am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:42:49am |
re: #270 McSpiff
Welcome to the Zombie Lizard Club ;-)
I thought Zombie was gone. Is he/she back too?
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:43:21am |
re: #266 wozzablog
DOMA is not legislation from this White House - this White House is not under any obligation to send it's press secretary out and say "this is fantanstic legislation that we are fully behind".
The same logic will be applied to health care reform if the next administration is Republican.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:44:34am |
re: #273 ralphieboy
The same logic will be applied to health care reform if the next administration is Republican.
They're free to not defend it in court, that doesn't mean any challenge to it automatically passes, democrats can still hire a private law firm to defend it.
Its politicking but its not the end of the world/law in America.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:45:47am |
Report: Iranian ships carrying advanced weaponry
The Iranian warships that passed through the Suez Canal on Tuesday are carrying advanced weaponry intended for Hezbollah, Israeli officials said.
According to assessments of Israeli officials quoted by the Hebrew-language daily Ma'ariv, the ships had on board rockets of various ranges, rifles and ammunition, and night-vision scopes.
The ships were given permission to cross the canal following several days of uncertainty, after the Egyptian High Military Council granted approval. Israeli officials said the ships’ journey was an attempt by Iran to circumvent the sanctions barring the provision of arms to Hezbollah, which caused problems in the supply of weapons from Iran.
Shocka!
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:46:24am |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
Q'Daffy is talking on tv again
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]
Definitely not a Nixon moment... He's clearly gunning to be the next Ceaușescu.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:47:31am |
re: #257 Obdicut
Remember that people staring at you doesn't mean they're not getting you or that they're bored. Most people have a pretty vacant look on their faces when they're listening to something and attempting to retain the information.
Yes I know, thanks for the reminder. :) I have done lots of talks and taught things before so once I get going I know it will be okay. I always manage to muddle through. Having some anticipation nerves before hand is normal. It always happens. This is just a little extra nerve wracking because it's new. The thing I hate most about the way my brain works though is that before something like this all my talk prep disappears. It's like the knowledge just goes into a box somewhere.
Same thing happens to me before exams.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:48:40am |
re: #273 ralphieboy
The same logic will be applied to health care reform if the next administration is Republican.
The era of concensus politics is gone i'm afraid. HCR is already being undermined by the GOP House - i wouldn't expect their '12 nominee to run on anything other than full repeal and hope to claim the senate on those coat trails.
The open secret is they want to kill it before it becomes too popular - once folks realise their kids can be insured up to the age of 26, they can't be declined due to pre existing conditions and they can take their insurance with them - it's at heart a popular set of principles.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:49:13am |
re: #274 jamesfirecat
They're free to not defend it in court, that doesn't mean any challenge to it automatically passes, democrats can still hire a private law firm to defend it.
Its politicking but its not the end of the world/law in America.
Actually, the issue of standing means that any group defending the law would have to show that they had standing to do so.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:49:20am |
re: #273 ralphieboy
The same logic will be applied to health care reform if the next administration is Republican.
I would also add that that is a pretty big "if" at this point.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:51:09am |
I don't have a good feeling about this:
Qaddafi gathers forces, but rebellion gains momentum
Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi appeared to be refortifying his control over the capital of Tripoli, with residents reporting that thousands of his mercenaries and military units loyal to him were gathering on the roads outside the city. However, rebel gains and further defections from the military cast doubt on how long the Libyan leader could hold out.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:52:06am |
re: #282 lazardo
From what I've heard about the (lack of) government systems in Libya, it looks like the country could as well end up the next Somalia.
I think the people essentially appear united - if Qaddafi goes there will be enough national unity for whats left of the Unions to come together with any other representative blocs and hammer something out.
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:53:44am |
re: #282 lazardo
From what I've heard about the (lack of) government systems in Libya, it looks like the country could as well end up the next Somalia.
Hey, conservatives like a small federal government, Somalia and Afghanistan are real poster children for that...
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:54:08am |
re: #280 Obdicut
Actually, the issue of standing means that any group defending the law would have to show that they had standing to do so.
Well in the case of the HCR it's pretty easy to show how someone would be harmed by its repeal wouldn't it?
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:54:44am |
re: #286 jamesfirecat
Well in the case of the HCR it's pretty easy to show how someone would be harmed by its repeal wouldn't it?
Everybody under the age of 26 on their parents policies...........
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:55:56am |
re: #282 lazardo
I'm not nearly as pessimistic as that. It could surely turn into a failed state like Somalia, but there was a central government that did have some measure of control over the country.
If a consensual government forms that is inclusive of the various tribes, and uses some of the existing government institutions as a starting point, then the country could hold things together. The Army could become part of the solution if it takes on a caretaker role. Khadafi operated the country for his personal benefit and those closest to him benefited greatly from oil wealth and he surrounded himself with a cult of personality. Those who were "of the tent" had privileged access while the rest of the country suffered.
Khadafi came to power in a coup and did all he could to avoid being the victim of one himself - and now he faces his biggest challenge. His solution is to be as ruthless as possible in cracking down. He's got nothing else to fall back on (and claiming that the uprising is the result of drugs, the West, US, etc. is just bluster at this point as his circle of influence continues shrinking).
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:56:16am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:58:24am |
Rockets fired from Gaza, Israel responds
The Israeli Air Force, responding to rockets launched from the Gaza Strip that landed in the Negev area, fired on terrorist targets, Israeli military said.
The Israeli military "will respond with diligent force to anyone who uses terror against the state of Israel and will not tolerate any attempt to harm Israeli citizens or … soldiers," officials said Thursday in a release.
The rocket fire from Gaza and Israel's response occurred Wednesday.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 6:58:42am |
re: #290 Killgore Trout
With the cult of personality surrounding him and his advisers, he's going to go out on a slab. He's that defiant in his speeches and there's nothing to suggest that he would flee.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:00:12am |
General Motors Co. ended its seven-year losing streak Thursday, posting an annual profit after earning $500 million in the fourth quarter, cashing in on a slew of new cars and consumers more willing to plunk down the money for them.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:01:09am |
re: #286 jamesfirecat
Well in the case of the HCR it's pretty easy to show how someone would be harmed by its repeal wouldn't it?
I'm not a legal scholar, James, and standing is one of those rather abstruse issues.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:05:23am |
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:06:24am |
re: #294 Obdicut
I'm not a legal scholar, James, and standing is one of those rather abstruse issues.
Well lets ask Lawhawk for... um.... I my foggy memory wants to make me say "her" but I'm not really sure about that...
Well lets ask Lawhawk for shklee /shkler opinion on the issue...
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:10:48am |
re: #295 Killgore Trout
Great. Now is he going to apologize for the rest of his anti-semitic bullshit?
Is it starting to dawn on him what a jackass he's been?
Probably not.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:11:26am |
re: #297 Obdicut
Great. Now is he going to apologize for the rest of his anti-semitic bullshit?
Is it starting to dawn on him what a jackass he's been?
Probably not.
I expect he was told to do it.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:12:36am |
Gadhafi: Bin Laden behind Libya uprising
A Libyan witness says a Libyan army unit has blasted a minaret of a mosque in a city west of Tripoli.
The witness tells The Associated Press by telephone that several protesters, who have been camped inside and outside the mosque while demanding the ouster of Moammar Gadhafi, have been killed or seriously wounded in Thursday's attack.
The witness from Zawiya says the military used anti-aircraft missiles and automatic weapons and attacked the protesters around 9:00 a.m. The witness spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals and the report could not be independently confirmed.
The witness says the attack came one day after a Gadhafi aide came to the city and warned the protesters to leave or face a massacre.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:18:58am |
re: #297 Obdicut
Great. Now is he going to apologize for the rest of his anti-semitic bullshit?
Is it starting to dawn on him what a jackass he's been?
Probably not.
I'm pretty sure this is a forced apology that his bosses told him to do. He really grovels so I assume they really leaned on him.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:19:15am |
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:20:30am |
re: #296 jamesfirecat
I would have thought that my bio (click the Hitchhiker's logo) would have made that pretty clear....
Oh, and what issue are you talking about?
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:22:22am |
re: #299 NJDhockeyfan
Well, Khadafi's trying to get someone to side with him, and using the AQ card is pretty much the last one in his already too few deck of cards... if he uses AQ, he thinks that maybe someone will come to his regime's defense.
Only problem is that there's absolutely no evidence of AQ being behind any of the uprisings/revolutions/protests in any of the countries affected by protests in North Africa or Middle East.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:25:53am |
I see the UN has taken on the real important issues of the day...
May: Amid Arab turmoil, U.N. hits Israel
Egypt, Bahrain and Yemen are in turmoil. In Libya, Col. Moammar Gadhafi is using mercenaries to slaughter peaceful protesters. Hezbollah is staging a slow-motion coup in Lebanon. Iran's rulers are executing dissidents daily, developing nuclear weapons and sending warships through Suez. The response of the United Nations to these many threats to global peace and security? Condemn Israel! Is there anything else the UN does as often or as well?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:26:41am |
re: #303 lawhawk
I would have thought that my bio (click the Hitchhiker's logo) would have made that pretty clear...
Oh, and what issue are you talking about?
Sorry I did look at that after I posted that comment but was too embarrassed to correct myself. Anyway the issue is, as a hypothetical, if a Republican President choose no to defend Obama's Health Care reform bill, how easy would it be for someone else to step up and defend it in their place, since it all we would need would be a client with a pre-existing condition or kids between 21 and 26, thus establishing how the person would be harmed by having the law done away with... right?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:32:16am |
re: #301 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty sure this is a forced apology that his bosses told him to do. He really grovels so I assume they really leaned on him.
And it's even a bit of back-patting at the same time; he's implicitly claiming that he'd always apologize if he said something wrong or ignorant.
Which is rather clearly not the case.
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:32:29am |
Good morning, fellow lizards. What's the good word?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:33:34am |
re: #308 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Battology. Battology. Battology. Battology. Battology. Battology. Battology. Battology. Battology. Battology. Battology.
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:34:22am |
Another day, another dollar. A day older, and a day wiser. Maybe I should go back to sleep.
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:35:24am |
I got the "day older" bit down pat, but the "day wiser" one seems to still be eluding me. If I was any wiser, I wouldn't spend so much time beating my head against a wall, aka arguing with rightwingers.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:35:35am |
re: #308 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Good morning, fellow lizards. What's the good word?
Good word is I'm off to work.
Later lizards!
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:36:55am |
Final mission for the Discovery. Lift-off is at 6 hours and 9 minutes ET more or less.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:41:36am |
re: #313 Gus 802
Final mission for the Discovery. Lift-off is at 6 hours and 9 minutes ET more or less.
2 more Shuttle missions after this and then the book is closed.
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Lidane Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:42:01am |
re: #308 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Good morning, fellow lizards. What's the good word?
Creativity. Which I should have read about for HR today, but my Information Systems project and Accounting homework both took center stage yesterday instead.
This promises to be a fun class. Oh joy.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:46:06am |
re: #299 NJDhockeyfan
Don't know if it's already been posted, but AQ issued a statement in support of the protesters.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:46:14am |
re: #306 jamesfirecat
It would go to the issue of standing and whether a given person falls within the class of persons who would be affected by the outcome. A state could conceivably fill that role but it would depend on the issues being raised in the courts below as to who would be suitable.
With the way that the HCR package was instituted, a good number of these lawsuits will be resolved in advance of 2012 - expedited for any number of reasons - legal or political.
What's interesting though is that the courts have invariably found that the penalty provision is not a tax - whether it was the FL court that invalidated the entire HCR package, or those courts that upheld the HCR.
That means that one of the fallback arguments for the HCR proponents wont be available if they need it. All the courts found that the HCR proponents went out of their way to not characterize the penalty provisions (enforced by the IRS) were not taxes, but penalties - and that congressional record will end up biting them in the end.
I've long argued that those penalty provisions were indeed a tax regardless of how the Congress was characterizing them because of how the "penalties" were to be enforced, collected, and utilized. They weren't mere fees or penalties, but rather used to generate revenues, which distinguishes them from penalties or fees (and the revenues generated from the "penalties" were critical to the CBO calculations on the bill impacts on budgets). That view may end up being critical to defending HCR down the road.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:48:10am |
Oh buoy...
Another Runaway General: Army Deploys Psy-Ops on U.S. Senators
This is me with one eyebrow raised like Spock.
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:48:14am |
re: #315 Lidane
Speaking of creativity, the Right's gotten with creative with their logic behind why the unions have, in fact, not agreed to all the financial concessions in Walker's bill. According to their latest logic, collective bargaining costs the districts (and thus the state) money, so as long as they remain in place, the union is still costing the state money. So any claim that they're giving in to the financial part of the bill is false because, in their insane troll logic, the financial and collective bargaining portions of the bill are one and the same.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:54:24am |
re: #319 Gus 802
Oh buoy...
Another Runaway General: Army Deploys Psy-Ops on U.S. Senators
This is me with one eyebrow raised like Spock.
And so they end with this paragraph:
As for the operation targeting U.S. senators, there is no way to tell what, if any, influence it had on American policy. What is clear is that in January 2011, Caldwell’s command asked the Obama administration for another $2 billion to train an additional 70,000 Afghan troops – an initiative that will already cost U.S. taxpayers more than $11 billion this year. Among the biggest boosters in Washington to give Caldwell the additional money? Sen. Carl Levin, one of the senators whom Holmes had been ordered to target.
And what's so strange about that? Let's see, Carl Levin had already voted yes on 86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan in 2003. His defense record is mixed. There is nothing unusual in the way that Levin voted in 2011 as he has done so in the past on several occasions.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:00:22am |
re: #72 SpaceJesus
neat video of the former head of the kkk and why he now rejects racism
sorry if everybody has seen this, but it's a first to me. great watch.
[Video]
I love it. What a wonderful story. Makes my heart a lot lighter.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:02:46am |
OT:
MSNBC is reporting that a Saudi Arabian citizen going to college in Texas has been charged in bomb plot. No details available at moment.
As they say, developing....
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:03:28am |
plcorbett Patrick L. Corbett
Westboro Baptist Church has been HACKED by #Anonymous - [Link: ow.ly...] (via @malkavoru) #p2
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:04:22am |
Alex Jones is pissed at Glenn Beck again for stealing his research into the New World Order.....
Glenn Beck’s Secret
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:04:37am |
re: #75 brookly red
funny how everyone laughs at buying gold... yet it keeps going up?
A question. If gold has real value, meaning something set permanently in its nature, how can that value keep increasing? semi/
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:04:42am |
re: #324 Gus 802
Assange is headed to Sweden.
And I don't care.
Yeah, it's amazing how quick he went from being Public Enemy Number One to just another line towards the back of the newspaper, isn't it? Figure that, by the end of the year, most folks will be asking "Assange who?"
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:04:55am |
Uh oh. Commentary Magazine is following me on Twitter. I better behave myself.
//
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:05:18am |
re: #326 Stanley Sea
plcorbett Patrick L. Corbett
Westboro Baptist Church has been HACKED by #Anonymous - [Link: ow.ly...] (via @malkavoru) #p2
I'm glad the kiddies have found another sandbox to play in, better than playing in traffic (like BofA, Visa, MasterCard)
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lazardo Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:05:46am |
re: #329 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, it's amazing how quick he went from being Public Enemy Number One to just another line towards the back of the newspaper, isn't it? Figure that, by the end of the year, most folks will be asking "Assange who?"
And it's all thanks to the media machine's inability to stay focused on any headline, world-changing or otherwise. It's why nothing ever gets done.
/
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:08:49am |
re: #320 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Because it is a matter of ideology. Unions are a sore on the body politic and have to be abolished. If you really press them on any issues, conservatives will drop their "practical" arguments and go for the ideological jugular.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:08:57am |
re: #329 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, it's amazing how quick he went from being Public Enemy Number One to just another line towards the back of the newspaper, isn't it? Figure that, by the end of the year, most folks will be asking "Assange who?"
The way I see it the Swedish charges are external to the question of the State Department leaks. It's almost a personal matter of sorts and it sometimes seems to border on gossip magazine news reports. We're almost coming on a year since the charges were first mentioned and have lost interest.
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lazardo Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:09:02am |
re: #326 Stanley Sea
plcorbett Patrick L. Corbett
Westboro Baptist Church has been HACKED by #Anonymous - [Link: ow.ly...] (via @malkavoru) #p2
Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.
/puts on the trollface™
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:09:43am |
re: #328 Romantic Heretic
A question. If gold has real value, meaning something set permanently in its nature, how can that value keep increasing? semi/
Just like real estate, right?
My aim is to buy so much gold that the government has to bail me out if it collapses...
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darthstar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:10:10am |
Now that Muslims want to be democrats, September 11, 2001 is passé. The idea of the time that the two are antithetical appears to have been a figment of extremists' imagination.
That would include extremists on both sides.
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Lidane Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:10:25am |
richardengelnbc richard engel
#libya.. CWs; Sulfur mustard and nerve agents to include sarin and VX.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:12:04am |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
IIRC, their economy is based on a wine called Pinot Grand Fenwick. They hit a crisis when a California winery produces a popular knockoff. Then they decide to declare war on the United States, and lose, because Germany rebuilt their economy that way. They send an elaborate declaration of war to DC, but it's mistaken for a gag.
I can't recall all the details after that, but I think they end up as a nuclear power somehow. I do remember that since they have no navy, their invasion force has to buy tickets on a ship to get to New York.
I remember when they opened fire on the Queen Mary, laughing as the bridge crew ducks a volley of arrows.
Peter Sellers runs up to his men and yells, "Stop shooting! We're only at war with the United States, not the whole world."
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:13:22am |
re: #338 Lidane
I guess that's a response in concern to potential security breaches around Libya's chemical weapons stockpiles as the security situation becomes worse?
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:14:08am |
re: #334 Gus 802
The way I see it the Swedish charges are external to the question of the State Department leaks. It's almost a personal matter of sorts and it sometimes seems to border on gossip magazine news reports. We're almost coming on a year since the charges were first mentioned and have lost interest.
Yep. I continue to believe that the only reason for the charges actually going anywhere has everything to do with our government wanting to nail his ass down long enough to drag him over here.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:15:22am |
Feds: Saudi Man In Texas Planned Attack On George W. Bush's Home
A 20-year-old Saudi man living in Texas was arrested Wednesday and charged with the attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction in connection with his alleged purchase of chemicals and equipment used to make an improvised explosive device (IED).
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Lidane Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:15:25am |
re: #341 lawhawk
I guess that's a response in concern to potential security breaches around Libya's chemical weapons stockpiles as the security situation becomes worse?
Yeah, I think so. That's the big fear right now, that Gaddafi will start pulling those out to use against people.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:16:11am |
re: #179 EdDantes
One of the first cd's I bought in the 80's was Ennios, The Mission, score.
That had one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever.
The movie is one of the great one as well.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:16:22am |
re: #37 MikeySDCA
As to Pima County seceding, this is idiocy, as my father's Arkansas ancestors, whose ancestors had served under Washington, learned to their chagrin. Mother's father came over on the boat from Bohemia.
Meh, I've heard crazier and there's nothing treasonous about it at the very least.
Pima only wants to secede from Arizona not the US. The same way West Virginia ended up seceding from Virginia to become its own state....
So there is a precedent if you turn your head and squint hard enough...
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:17:05am |
re: #343 Killgore Trout
Feds: Saudi Man In Texas Planned Attack On George W. Bush's Home
Hmmm...they just deleted that article.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:17:48am |
re: #342 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yep. I continue to believe that the only reason for the charges actually going anywhere has everything to do with our government wanting to nail his ass down long enough to drag him over here.
That's always a possibility. The timing seemed rather, suspect. On the specific charges he's either guilty or not guilty. This dragging out of the judicial proceedings is taxing on a personal level -- whenever it comes to the forefront. I feel the same way about the KSM hearings. Go to court and get it over with but please stop dragging it out... too much talk and not enough action.
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:17:57am |
re: #341 lawhawk
I guess that's a response in concern to potential security breaches around Libya's chemical weapons stockpiles as the security situation becomes worse?
Sounds like a viable reason to intervene...
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:19:04am |
re: #344 Lidane
Yeah, I think so. That's the big fear right now, that Gaddafi will start pulling those out to use against people.
He busts those out of the locker, then all bets are off.
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Aye Pod Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:22:00am |
re: #308 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Good morning, fellow lizards. What's the good word?
Nookie.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:23:51am |
re: #353 lawhawk
MSNBC has a similar article.
Better source hear including the affidavit...
[Link: blogs.dallasobserver.com...]
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:24:08am |
re: #355 Gus 802
Better source hear including the affidavit...
[Link: blogs.dallasobserver.com...]
Umm. Here not hear.
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blueraven Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:26:36am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:26:55am |
re: #355 Gus 802
Better source hear including the affidavit...
[Link: blogs.dallasobserver.com...]
This is Obama's fault! I don't know how, but he's to blame! Impeach him!
///
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:28:25am |
re: #359 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
This is Obama's fault! I don't know how, but he's to blame! Impeach him!
///
Clearly this would never have happened if McCain Palin had been elected president.
//
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:28:34am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:30:33am |
re: #361 Gus 802
Clearly this would never have happened if
McCainPalin had been elected president.//
And they were targeting Bush, too! Obama was supporting this terrorist! Obama supports terrorism! Obama is a terrorist!
///
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:31:01am |
re: #359 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
This is Obama's fault! I don't know how, but he's to blame! Impeach him!
///
Obama's guys got him and that's what counts. He's doing the job and that's what I care about.
Obama has been doing a bang up job at national security. If Obama says he need warrantless wiretaps, well, that is OK by me.
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:32:31am |
re: #357 Gus 802
It's back...
Next step is a law requiring death sentences for those who do not kill abortion docs...
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:32:42am |
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Aye Pod Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:34:01am |
re: #295 Killgore Trout
On a somewhat related note:
Monkeys 'display self-doubt' like humans
[Link: richarddawkins.net...]
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:34:21am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:35:39am |
re: #366 Gus 802
Don't know. Do the chemical compounds in the IED classify it as a chemical weapon of sorts?
No--they just wrote a bad expansion of the term into law. WMD was a bastard term in the spin-up to Iraq, standing in for the old "special weapons" (Nuke, Chem, and Bio.)
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:35:43am |
re: #364 researchok
Obama's guys got him and that's what counts. He's doing the job and that's what I care about.
Obama has been doing a bang up job at national security. If Obama says he need warrantless wiretaps, well, that is OK by me.
Can't say as I'll ever be comfortable with warrantless wiretaps. I applaud Obama for his efforts, visible and otherwise, to combat terrorist threats to this nation nonetheless.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:37:00am |
re: #364 researchok
Obama's guys got him and that's what counts. He's doing the job and that's what I care about.
Obama has been doing a bang up job at national security. If Obama says he need warrantless wiretaps, well, that is OK by me.
re: #370 Decatur Deb
No--they just wrote a bad expansion of the term into law. WMD was a bastard term in the spin-up to Iraq, standing in for the old "special weapons" (Nuke, Chem, and Bio.)
My motto is if its not ABC (Atomc, Biologic, Chemical) its not a WMD....
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:37:14am |
re: #362 Rightwingconspirator
It's possible that depending on how the chemicals sought were used - or used in combination with other chemicals, that the result could be a WMD. WMD also has specific legal connotations.
The crime for use of a WMD is here , and WMD includes destructive devices under Sec. 921(4).
4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and
(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.
The term “destructive device” shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684 (2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10; or any other device which the Attorney General finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational or cultural purposes.
Thus, it includes items commonly referred to as WMD (nuclear, chemical, biological), or any bomb, explosive device, incendiary, or rockets, missiles, etc. that fall under the definition. It's pretty wide-ranging and inclusive (on purpose).
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:40:05am |
Madison Police Chief Angered Over Governor's Comments
“I spent a good deal of time overnight thinking about Governor Walker’s response, during his news conference yesterday, to the suggestion that his administration ‘thought about’ planting troublemakers among those who are peacefully protesting his bill. I would like to hear more of an explanation from Governor Walker as to what exactly was being considered, and to what degree it was discussed by his cabinet members. I find it very unsettling and troubling that anyone would consider creating safety risks for our citizens and law enforcement officers
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:40:12am |
re: #370 Decatur Deb
No--they just wrote a bad expansion of the term into law. WMD was a bastard term in the spin-up to Iraq, standing in for the old "special weapons" (Nuke, Chem, and Bio.)
The affidavit is calling out USC 2332a(a)(2)(A) and (D)...
§ 2332a. Use of weapons of mass destruction
(a) Offense Against a National of the United States or Within the United States.— A person who, without lawful authority, uses, threatens, or attempts or conspires to use, a weapon of mass destruction—
(1) against a national of the United States while such national is outside of the United States;
(2) against any person or property within the United States, and
(A) the mail or any facility of interstate or foreign commerce is used in furtherance of the offense;
(B) such property is used in interstate or foreign commerce or in an activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce;
(C) any perpetrator travels in or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce in furtherance of the offense; or
(D) the offense, or the results of the offense, affect interstate or foreign commerce, or, in the case of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected interstate or foreign commerce;
(3) against any property that is owned, leased or used by the United States or by any department or agency of the United States, whether the property is within or outside of the United States; or
(4) against any property within the...
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Lidane Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:42:28am |
re: #374 Killgore Trout
What's he so upset about? The governor was only talking about planting troublemakers among a bunch of libruls and union members. It's not like he was talking about going after Real Americans.
/wingnut
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:43:34am |
re: #371 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Can't say as I'll ever be comfortable with warrantless wiretaps. I applaud Obama for his efforts, visible and otherwise, to combat terrorist threats to this nation nonetheless.
I do agree.
That said, Obama is the man in charge.
I didn't vote for him but on mattes of national security I sure as hell trust him.
He's been relentless in chasing AQ in both Pakistan and Afghanistan and won't apologize for it- and he shouldn't have to. He states a real truth. There are bad people out there who want to and will do bad things to us if allowed.
As Commander in Chief, Obama is as good as any other president. Period. He makes decisions daily and when it comes to national security he puts politics aside. Can't ask for more.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:43:55am |
re: #373 lawhawk
It's possible that depending on how the chemicals sought were used - or used in combination with other chemicals, that the result could be a WMD. WMD also has specific legal connotations.
The crime for use of a WMD is here , and WMD includes destructive devices under Sec. 921(4).
Thus, it includes items commonly referred to as WMD (nuclear, chemical, biological), or any bomb, explosive device, incendiary, or rockets, missiles, etc. that fall under the definition. It's pretty wide-ranging and inclusive (on purpose).
Yes--so they inflated WMD into everything from a grenade to a MIRV. Rumsfeld wasn't trying to get us to take Saddam's grenades.
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:44:06am |
re: #376 Lidane
What's he so upset about? The governor was only talking about planting troublemakers among a bunch of libruls and union members. It's not like he was talking about going after Real Americans.
/wingnut
Public servants, remember? A buncha coddled, unionized crybabies.
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:44:38am |
re: #374 Killgore Trout
The Cap Times: Ex-AG sees ethics, labor law violations in Walker-Koch conversation, suggests inquiry
“There clearly are potential ethics violations, and there are potential election-law violations and there are a lot of what look to me like labor-law violations,” said Peg Lautenschlager, a Democrat who served as Wisconsin’s attorney general after serving for many years as a U.S. attorney. “I think that the ethics violations are something the (state) Government Accountability Board should look into because they are considerable. He is on tape talking with someone who he thinks is the funder of an independent political action committee to purchase advertising to benefit Republican legislators who are nervous about taking votes on legislation he sees as critical to his political success.”
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:45:18am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:45:40am |
re: #377 researchok
I do agree.
That said, Obama is the man in charge.
I didn't vote for him but on mattes of national security I sure as hell trust him.
He's been relentless in chasing AQ in both Pakistan and Afghanistan and won't apologize for it- and he shouldn't have to. He states a real truth. There are bad people out there who want to and will do bad things to us if allowed.
As Commander in Chief, Obama is as good as any other president. Period. He makes decisions daily and when it comes to national security he puts politics aside. Can't ask for more.
Totally agree.
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Lidane Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:46:30am |
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:46:42am |
They also define the WMD through...
(c) Definitions.— For purposes of this section—
(1) the term “national of the United States” has the meaning given in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(22));
(2) the term “weapon of mass destruction” means—
(A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
And 921...
(4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:47:09am |
re: #380 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The Cap Times: Ex-AG sees ethics, labor law violations in Walker-Koch conversation, suggests inquiry
Interesting. This could potentially bring him down.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:47:32am |
re: #381 researchok
How would you like to live next door to a guy with 4 tons of explosives in his garage?
//WMD is a broad term, I think.
Oh, you mean that guy in Escondido whose house was saturated with homemade boom juice?
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:48:53am |
So 3 M80s = a WMD?re: #381 researchok
How would you like to live next door to a guy with 4 tons of explosives in his garage?
//WMD is a broad term, I think.
I think if you tape an M80 to an Estes rocket with a D motor it's a WMD.
//
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:50:14am |
re: #381 researchok
How would you like to live next door to a guy with 4 tons of explosives in his garage?
//WMD is a broad term, I think.
Not next door. Inhabited Building Distance is 1920 meters for 8000 lbs of 1.1 HE. I'll check the neighbors.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:51:49am |
Anyway. It's attempted murder in my book. The WMD definitions are purely political.
20 years.
Next!
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:52:52am |
re: #387 Gus 802
So 3 M80s = a WMD?
I think if you tape an M80 to an Estes rocket with a D motor it's a WMD.
//
Right idea, but an M80 is a little light on net explosives weight.
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:53:16am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
Interesting. This could potentially bring him down.
I'd say that the man's goose is well and truly cooked. He may end up getting this bill passed, but doing so will pretty much guarantee that he'll never be reelected, let alone go to higher office.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:53:23am |
re: #390 Decatur Deb
Right idea, but an M80 is a little light on net explosives weight.
I was supposed to delete that. :) Had it up but forgot to backspace. Woops.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:55:20am |
re: #389 Gus 802
If President Bush was a target, then you've got attempted assassination, attempted murder, use of explosive device, and all the lesser included charges.
He would never see the light of day after all those charges are added up. Attempted assassination is life in prison.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Feb 24, 2011 8:55:30am |
re: #357 Gus 802
It's back...
Wow.
Seriously, FUCK republicans. This shit is just ridiculous. If any of you still consider yourselves republicans after all this, seriously, fuck you.
This is beyond the pale.
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Lidane Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:00:38am |
re: #357 Gus 802
It's back...
But remember kids-- the GOP is all about smaller, more limited government, individual rights, and scaling back government overreach. And they give a shit about jobs, the economy, and people who've been born. =P
I have to agree with one of the comments at Frum's site:
Gotta admit, if this is what passes for “normal” governance I’m morbidly curious to see what base-whipping s**t they bring out for election time.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:01:44am |
re: #396 Lidane
But remember kids-- the GOP is all about smaller, more limited government, individual rights, and scaling back government overreach. And they give a shit about jobs, the economy, and people who've been born. =P
I have to agree with one of the comments at Frum's site:
What sort of government could be smaller than one that doesn't bother to punish murders?
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:02:04am |
re: #390 Decatur Deb
Right idea, but an M80 is a little light on net explosives weight.
The limit is 1/4 ounce for an explosive on a "missile". An M80 is about 3 grams of explosive and 1/4 ounce = 7.087 grams so that would mean at least 7.087/3 or 2.36 or 3 M80s.
So, does that mean we can conduct a preemptive strike on a nation with boxes of model rockets and M80s?
//
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:02:40am |
re: #395 Fozzie Bear
Wow.
Seriously, FUCK republicans. This shit is just ridiculous. If any of you still consider yourselves republicans after all this, seriously, fuck you.
This is beyond the pale.
I submit that before any bill that allowed for 'legalized' killing of anyone is presented to any legislature, the sponsoring politician has to agree that killing him is allowed as well.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:02:46am |
re: #398 Gus 802
The limit is 1/4 ounce for an explosive on a "missile". An M80 is about 3 grams of explosive and 1/4 ounce = 7.087 grams so that would mean at least 7.087/3 or 2.36 or 3 M80s.
So, does that mean we can conduct a preemptive strike on a nation with boxes of model rockets and M80s?
//
You never met my sons.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:02:47am |
re: #395 Fozzie Bear
Wow.
Seriously, FUCK republicans. This shit is just ridiculous. If any of you still consider yourselves republicans after all this, seriously, fuck you.
This is beyond the pale.
Have they declared when Bagger season is yet?
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Lidane Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:05:08am |
re: #399 researchok
I submit that before any bill that allowed for 'legalized' killing of anyone is presented to any legislature, the sponsoring politician has to agree that killing him is allowed as well.
Never gonna happen.
You're talking about the same kind of 101st Chairborne commando who advocates for perpetual war, nuking other countries into parking lots, and forcing our will on other countries at the business end of a gun, but they'd never have the balls to put on a military uniform themselves. They talk a lot of shit, but when push comes to shove, they're cowards.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:05:31am |
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:05:52am |
re: #403 Lidane
Never gonna happen.
You're talking about the same kind of 101st Chairborne commando who advocates for perpetual war, nuking other countries into parking lots, and forcing our will on other countries at the business end of a gun, but they'd never have the balls to put on a military uniform themselves. They talk a lot of shit, but when push comes to shove, they're cowards.
Everyone of 'em
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Kragar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:06:18am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:07:38am |
re: #405 researchok
Everyone of 'em
I wish. Some small fraction of a percent are crazy-brave. They're the ones who can do a lot of damage when encouraged.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:09:17am |
Note however. The definition for WMDs are actually stricter for civilians (i.e. criminal or terrorist) then they are for strategic or military purposes. Thus 4 ounces of explosives (et al) are not defined as WMDs for the latter two.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:10:05am |
re: #347 Killgore Trout
Link worked fine for me.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:11:46am |
We interrupt this program to bring you the following Special Report...
BREAKING: Person Upset By Camera Stuck In His Face a UNION MEMBER
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recusancy Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:12:25am |
re: #403 Lidane
Never gonna happen.
You're talking about the same kind of 101st Chairborne commando who advocates for perpetual war, nuking other countries into parking lots, and forcing our will on other countries at the business end of a gun, but they'd never have the balls to put on a military uniform themselves. They talk a lot of shit, but when push comes to shove, they're cowards.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:12:39am |
re: #408 Gus 802
Note however. The definition for WMDs are actually stricter for civilians (i.e. criminal or terrorist) then they are for strategic or military purposes. Thus 4 ounces of explosives (et al) are not defined as WMDs for the latter two.
Yeah--it's just poor use of language in response to GWOT. Personally I like the Haymarket-era "Infernal Device".
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steve_davis Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:16:36am |
re: #124 LudwigVanQuixote
Sheesh everyone knows the best weapons in case of zombie 'pockylypse are:
1. M-2 heavy machine gun with explosive ammo
2. 12 gauge shotty
3. Longsword or katana (does not run out of ammo)
4. "re-gifted" fruitcake.
And don't forget the final tap to the head. You don't give the zombie that final shot to the head and the circumstances could be tragic. In fact, I think that's rule #1 on the list of Rules to Follow When the Zombies Take Over the World
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:16:48am |
re: #403 Lidane
Never gonna happen.
You're talking about the same kind of 101st Chairborne commando who advocates for perpetual war, nuking other countries into parking lots, and forcing our will on other countries at the business end of a gun, but they'd never have the balls to put on a military uniform themselves. They talk a lot of shit, but when push comes to shove, they're cowards.
In a combat situation if your CO tells you to go to the front of the line in firefight and if there's good chances you'll get killed you're supposed to go to the front of the line anyway and accept the fact that you're likely going to die. The same as when they say hold the line. Other than fantasizing about war I wonder how many of these people would be willing to die at the front for something as nebulous as GWOT. This was in fact the case in WWI and WWII of course.
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:18:02am |
re: #413 steve_davis
And don't forget the final tap to the head. You don't give the zombie that final shot to the head and the circumstances could be tragic. In fact, I think that's rule #1 on the list of Rules to Follow When the Zombies Take Over the World
Nope, Rule #2, "The Double Tap." Rule #1 is "Cardio."
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:20:10am |
re: #412 Decatur Deb
Yeah--it's just poor use of language in response to GWOT. Personally I like the Haymarket-era "Infernal Device".
I kind of like "fiendish thingy" from the Beatles' movie "Help!"
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:20:41am |
re: #415 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Nope, Rule #2, "The Double Tap." Rule #1 is "Cardio."
Triple Tap...Ammo's cheap...when you...wait for it....
....Reload!!!
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Kragar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:21:26am |
Qaddafi Blames Uprising on Bin Laden and Hallucinogenic Drugs
Muammar Qaddafi delivered yet another rambling monologue on state TV today about the causes of Libya's weeklong unrest, which he identified as hallucinogenic drugs and Osama bin Laden. "Shame on you, people of Zawiya, control your children," he reprimanded residents of the eastern town, which recently saw its mosque attacked by government troops. "What do you have to do with bin Laden, people of Zawiya? They are exploiting young people ... I insist it is bin Laden." In addition to claiming that protesters are "loyal to bin Laden," Qaddafi declared that the unrest was carried by "young men hopped up on hallucinogenic pills given to them 'in their coffee with milk, like Nescafe.'
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:22:41am |
re: #418 kragar (proud to be kafir)
Qaddafi Blames Uprising on Bin Laden and Hallucinogenic Drugs
"You all are terrorists! Terrorists on drugs! My being a dictator who'd make most Bond villains blush is inconsequential!"
/
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:22:48am |
re: #418 kragar (proud to be kafir)
Qaddafi Blames Uprising on Bin Laden and Hallucinogenic Drugs
Why coffee with milk?
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recusancy Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:23:25am |
re: #418 kragar (proud to be kafir)
Qaddafi Blames Uprising on Bin Laden and Hallucinogenic Drugs
He sounds like a Republican. Blame the hippies and foreigners.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:23:29am |
re: #420 Gus 802
I'm watching Kids In The Hall right now and Qaddafi's statement is indistinguishable from a KITH skit.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:23:56am |
Caught a Saudi bad guy in Texas! Yay!
Well, I didn't. But the Feds did.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:24:19am |
re: #420 Gus 802
Why coffee with milk?
That's how the psychedelic is delivered! IN COFFEE!
DWON WITH STARCUBKS!1!VNTY!1
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Kragar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:24:37am |
re: #420 Gus 802
Why coffee with milk?
Its milk+. They hit up the Korova Milk Bar before they go out for the night.
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avanti Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:25:00am |
A new low for the right wing blogs, quoting Gaddafi to fit Beck's Caliphate rant and spinning the Libyan uprising to Al-Qaida. When your news source is a the crazy dictator of Libya. you're a pretty far out there.
" Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafion Thursday said al-Qaida chief Osama bin Ladenis behind the uprising in his country. Gaddafi made the comments in a phone call to Libyan state TV.
“People were getting all their daily needs … why did you have to get involved with the Bin Laden ideology,” Gaddafi stated. Gaddafi said that unrest in Libya is “not people’s power” but “international terrorism” in action"
The Washington Times has a similar spin:
Times.
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avanti Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:26:25am |
re: #418 kragar (proud to be kafir)
Qaddafi Blames Uprising on Bin Laden and Hallucinogenic Drugs
Yep, and the ex-Lizards are quoting him to fit their mind set. I wish I was kidding.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:27:09am |
Clearly they're ingesting their hallucinogenic drugs mixed in with their Bisquick™ (alongside a couple of Nabisco Graham Crackers™) at exactly 0800 every morning!!11ty
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:27:53am |
re: #420 Gus 802
Better yet... who the heck still drinks Nescafe????? Nescafe?????
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:28:17am |
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:28:33am |
re: #429 lawhawk
Better yet... who the heck still drinks Nescafe??? Nescafe???
Apparently my grandmother is behind the Libyan revolution.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:29:10am |
Just a drive by...or hit and run!
Hope everyone is well!!
I'm in the middle of solving my Burglary and I have a very sick
Brother inlaw (my best friend) ...Cancer .
So I've been going to his appointments with him and keeping his mind
occupied....
Please keep Uncle Dan in your thoughts and prayers!!
Thanks
Loader....
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:29:29am |
Notice to all anti-Gaddafi protesters. Do not under any circumstance mix your hallucinogenic drugs with Diet Coke© or Diet Pepsi©. Mixing with Dr. Pepper© is acceptable.
Signed -- Underground Leader X
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:30:31am |
I bought some powdered water, but I don't know what to add.
-Steven Wright
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:30:42am |
re: #429 lawhawk
Better yet... who the heck still drinks Nescafe??? Nescafe???
That's because Nescafe is halal!!11ty
//Pam Geller
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Lidane Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:32:57am |
re: #415 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Nope, Rule #2, "The Double Tap." Rule #1 is "Cardio."
Zombieland was awesome. I eagerly await the Deadpool movie, which has the same writers. :D
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Kragar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:34:49am |
re: #436 Lidane
Zombieland was awesome. I eagerly await the Deadpool movie, which has the same writers. :D
Just as long as they stay true to the comic, it should be awesome.
"I speak the international language... automatic weapons!"
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Kragar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:38:03am |
Report: Ex-minister says Gadhafi ordered Lockerbie
Libya's ex-justice minister on Wednesday was quoted as telling a Swedish newspaper that Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people in 1988.
"I have proof that Gadhafi gave the order about Lockerbie," Mustafa Abdel-Jalil was quoted as saying in an interview with Expressen, a Stockholm-based tabloid.
Abdel-Jalil, who stepped down as justice minister to protest the clampdown on anti-government demonstrations, didn't describe the proof.
Expressen's online edition said its correspondent interviewed Abdel-Jalil outside the local parliament in the Libyan city of Al Bayda. A longer version of the interview was to be published in Expressen's paper edition on Thursday.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:39:50am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:42:02am |
re: #440 Killgore Trout
Drudge's big breaking news headline: GADDAFI: 'OBAMA IS FRIEND'
lol
Hey, who's the old stoner in the picture...oh wait, that's Gaddafi, nevermind.
/
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:42:37am |
re: #440 Killgore Trout
Drudge's big breaking news headline: GADDAFI: 'OBAMA IS FRIEND'
lol
Right. Something from last year no less. But, it will work in working up the wingnuts. Guess who said the following:
Because of American leadership and resolve, the world is changing for the better. Last month, the leader of Libya voluntarily pledged to disclose and dismantle all of his regime's weapons of mass destruction programs, including a uranium enrichment project for nuclear weapons. Colonel Qadhafi correctly judged that his country would be better off, and far more secure, without weapons of mass murder. Nine months of intense negotiations involving the United States and Great Britain succeeded with Libya, while 12 years of diplomacy with Iraq did not. And one reason is clear: For diplomacy to be effective, words must be credible -- and no one can now doubt the word of America.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:43:06am |
re: #366 Gus 802
If it's some kind of poison sure, but every explosive is made of "chemicals". I do not see a big distinction there between dynamite and PETN or RDX. But apparently when it comes to terror indictments or the war on terror definitions are suddenly uh... "flexible".
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:44:16am |
Qaddafi Strikes Back as Rebels Close In on Libyan Capital
Thousands of mercenary and irregular forces struck back at a tightening circle of rebellions around the capital, Tripoli, on Thursday, trying to fend off an uprising against the 40-year rule of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, who blamed the violence on “hallucinogenic” drugs and Osama bin Laden.
It won't be long.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:45:13am |
re: #440 Killgore Trout
Drudge's big breaking news headline: GADDAFI: 'OBAMA IS FRIEND'
lol
Gaddafi is a Birther!1!1!TY!
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Simply Sarah Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:45:24am |
re: #442 Gus 802
Right. Something from last year no less. But, it will work in working up the wingnuts. Guess who said the following:
Well, it was the President. And Obama is the current President...so that must mean it was Obama that said it!
/
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:45:28am |
re: #444 Killgore Trout
Qaddafi Strikes Back as Rebels Close In on Libyan Capital
It won't be long.
Looks like the man's gonna get his wish to be a martyr. To what, I don't know. Perhaps greed.
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:47:04am |
GOOD NEWS!
No Threat Seen to Libya’s Seat on Top U.N. Human Rights Body
Libya’s seat on the U.N.’s top human rights body looks secure for now, as a Western-led initiative to condemn it for its violent response to anti-government protests stops short of calling for its expulsion.
We can always count on the UN.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:47:05am |
re: #447 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Looks like the man's gonna get his wish to be a martyr. To what, I don't know. Perhaps greed.
Al Jaz is reporting that Q'Daffy is relying on foreign mercenaries from Nigeria and Sudan. He's fucked.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:47:08am |
re: #446 Simply Sarah
Well, it was the President. And Obama is the current President...so that must mean it was Obama that said it!
/
Obama signed TARP!!11ty
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:47:49am |
re: #449 researchok
GOOD NEWS!
No Threat Seen to Libya’s Seat on Top U.N. Human Rights Body
We can always count on the UN.
Damn, I was worried there for a second. Thank God cooler heads prevailed.
///
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Simply Sarah Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:47:56am |
re: #444 Killgore Trout
Qaddafi Strikes Back as Rebels Close In on Libyan Capital
It won't be long.
I wish I could be so confident. I think that as long as he maintains his core of well equipped fighters, he can make things miserable for a quite a while. I'm also worried about the human cost of a final push if it turns into an all-out battle.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:49:00am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:49:16am |
We can always count on the UN.
For what exactly......be specific.../
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:49:51am |
re: #450 Killgore Trout
Al Jaz is reporting that Q'Daffy is relying on foreign mercenaries from Nigeria and Sudan. He's fucked.
Should have run while he could. Now he's gonna end up a red stain on the wall. Any word on whether his sons are crazy enough to still be there?
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Simply Sarah Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:49:58am |
re: #449 researchok
GOOD NEWS!
No Threat Seen to Libya’s Seat on Top U.N. Human Rights Body
We can always count on the UN.
Eh, I don't see the point of a change. Libya fits right in with most of the rest of the members of that group.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:51:27am |
re: #450 Killgore Trout
Al Jaz is reporting that Q'Daffy is relying on foreign mercenaries from Nigeria and Sudan. He's fucked.
...Every cloud has a ....
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:53:32am |
re: #449 researchok
GOOD NEWS!
No Threat Seen to Libya’s Seat on Top U.N. Human Rights Body
We can always count on the UN.
Actually, that's not entirely true. Tomorrow is the special session. It's still in the works. You know how the UN take forever to do things.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:54:13am |
re: #450 Killgore Trout
Bashir's exporting his problem to others (and Khadafi's willingly taking 'em in to enforce his thuggery). I don't get the connection to Nigeria though...
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Targetpractice Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:54:58am |
re: #459 Gus 802
Actually, that's not entirely true. Tomorrow is the special session. It's still in the works. You know how the UN take forever to do things.
Yep. They have to appoint a committee to consider the creation of a committee to vote on the members of the committee that will consider this matter.
/
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:56:13am |
re: #459 Gus 802
Actually, that's not entirely true. Tomorrow is the special session. It's still in the works. You know how the UN take forever to do things.
Maybe- but if they kick out Libya, they'll be opening themselves up to scrutiny.
I don't think they'll want to set a precedent, as in booting out nations with poor human rights records.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:56:53am |
re: #461 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yep. They have to appoint a committee to consider the creation of a committee to vote on the members of the committee that will consider this matter.
/
Exactly. It's a legal body of sorts so they can't very well just say, "OK Libya, you're out". They have to set up a meeting or session, go through the motions, and then vote. Everything has to be recorded.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:56:54am |
re: #459 Gus 802
Actually, that's not entirely true. Tomorrow is the special session. It's still in the works. You know how the UN take forever to do things.
It takes a very long time to say anything in old Entish, and so we never say anything... unless, its worth taking a very long time to say!
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:57:58am |
re: #462 researchok
Maybe- but if they kick out Libya, they'll be opening themselves up to scrutiny.
I don't think they'll want to set a precedent, as in booting out nations with poor human rights records.
We'll see. I'm leaning towards "not holding my breath". ;)
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:57:59am |
re: #463 Gus 802
Exactly. It's a legal body of sorts so they can't very well just say, "OK Libya, you're out". They have to set up a meeting or session, go through the motions, and then vote. Everything has to be recorded.
It would be nice to see the UN do something right for a change.
I hope you are right.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:58:29am |
Egyptians, Tunisians try to help Libyan neighbors
Having successfully toppled their own autocratic rulers, Egyptian and Tunisians are rushing to the aid of their Libyan neighbors with hastily organized blood drives, field hospitals and convoys of food and medicine.
Volunteers say they couldn't remain indifferent to the suffering next door after having just fought their own battles for freedom.
"It made us feel that we can do something," said Momen El-Husseiny, an architecture student.
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:58:34am |
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:59:07am |
re: #464 jamesfirecat
It takes a very long time to say anything in old Entish, and so we never say anything... unless, its worth taking a very long time to say!
Then there's all the powdered wigs they have to get ready.
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:00:17am |
re: #469 Gus 802
Then there's all the powdered wigs they have to get ready.
//
And the gowns need to be pressed.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:01:03am |
Libyan unrest may mean bad things for url shortening service bit.ly and other similar services that use the .ly nation suffix.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:01:13am |
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:01:40am |
I protest the removal of Libya from the UN Human Rights Council! This would lead to its disfranchisement and would clearly be a colonialist and imperialist move on the part of the West and Western interests!
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:02:58am |
re: #472 lawhawk
Libyan unrest may mean bad things for url shortening service bit.ly and other similar services that use the .ly nation suffix.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Oh snap. I didn't even think about that. Libya is stealing all the bytes by importing large URL's and then stripping off a bunch of bytes then exporting fewer bytes.
We demand our bytes back!
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:03:10am |
re: #473 researchok
Good thing we aren't cynical.
Then there's the catering to set up... hotel reservations... household staff to arrange for the New York apartments...
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:03:40am |
re: #474 Gus 802
I protest the removal of Libya from the UN Human Rights Council! This would lead to its disfranchisement and would clearly be a colonialist and imperialist move on the part of the West and Western interests!
//
I think you need to hire Beyonce for a million bucks to sing a few songs to calm you down.
That'll show 'em.
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:04:42am |
re: #476 Gus 802
Then there's the catering to set up... hotel reservations... household staff to arrange for the New York apartments...
And cars with DPL plates so parking tickets don't have to be paid.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:05:18am |
The delegation from Uganda has not arrived! It appears that they will be late because they were offered a Citation X for their charter flight but had originally demanded a Gulfstream G550.
The session will be delayed until Monday.
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:06:12am |
LOLOL
Once again, they were exploited by the colonialist jet brokers.
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:08:38am |
re: #480 Gus 802
The delegation from Uganda has not arrived! It appears that they will be late because they were offered a Citation X for their charter flight but had originally demanded a Gulfstream G550.
The session will be delayed until Monday.
//
Have you seen this?
Mariah Carey, Usher and Beyoncé performed at Gaddafi family parties
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:09:29am |
re: #483 researchok
Have you seen this?
Mariah Carey, Usher and Beyoncé performed at Gaddafi family parties
Saw it flash by yesterday but didn't read anything yet.
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Gus Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:11:16am |
re: #483 researchok
Have you seen this?
Mariah Carey, Usher and Beyoncé performed at Gaddafi family parties
Yeah. You know everyone thought that Gaddafi was a changed man for a long time there. Most everyone regardless if they were on the left or the right thought this to be the case.
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:11:31am |
re: #484 Gus 802
Saw it flash by yesterday but didn't read anything yet.
Let's just say the man didn't have to buy a stereo system.
Everything was live.
It's good to be a tyrant.
/
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albusteve Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:11:46am |
re: #450 Killgore Trout
Al Jaz is reporting that Q'Daffy is relying on foreign mercenaries from Nigeria and Sudan. He's fucked.
time to start laying bets....gallows? chopping block? brick wall? suicide?
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researchok Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:13:44am |
re: #485 Gus 802
Yeah. You know everyone thought that Gaddafi was a changed man for a long time there. Most everyone regardless if they were on the left or the right thought this to be the case.
That's because as Americans we really want to believe in redemption and the redemptive process.
Seriously.
We say, 'Oh, he's going to rehab. Isn't that great?' whereas the story doesn't end there. It only starts there.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:14:12am |
re: #472 lawhawk
Libyan unrest may mean bad things for url shortening service bit.ly and other similar services that use the .ly nation suffix.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Bit.ly will not be affected. Most of its Domain servers are in Oregon and the Netherlands. Some of the other who use servers exclusively in Libya on the other hand might run into some problems.
*snip*
“Should Libya block Internet traffic, as Egypt did, it will not affect [Link: bit.ly...] or any .ly domain,” he wrote. “And [Link: bit.ly...] will continue to do everything we can to ensure we offer our users the best service we possibly can. That includes offering options around which top level domain you use.”
Since the site’s servers are based in Oregon and the Netherlands, bit.ly and the links housed there are safe for the moment, Borthwick noted.
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carey94tt Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:44:18am |
I almost got into trouble giggling at work while watching this.
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AK-47% Thu, Feb 24, 2011 11:47:16am |
re: #485 Gus 802
Yeah. You know everyone thought that Gaddafi was a changed man for a long time there. Most everyone regardless if they were on the left or the right thought this to be the case.
It was the same deal we offered lots of dictators: they toe the line and stop making trouble for the US and in exchange they are given free hand to do whatever they want within their own borders.
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